September 26, 2025 • 45 mins
Indicted for the first-degree murder of his wife, Suzanne, Barry Morphew has been held in jail with a three million dollar cash-only bond.
After turning down Morphew's request to lower his bond to a $500 thousand dollar cash-only bond, Judge Amanda Hopkins changes the bond to allow Morphew to use a 'surety,' a bail bonds company, meaning Morphew would only have to come up with 10 to 15 percent of the $3 million.
Friends and supporters provide the funds, and bail bondsman Richard Jordan of Denver's A-1 Bail Bonds gets Morphew out of jail to await his murder trial.
Morphew's bond restrictions begin with a GPS monitor, a ban on leaving Colorado, and surrendering his passport. He is also under strict house arrest and can only leave his home for medical emergencies or meetings with attorneys. He's not allowed to consume alcohol or controlled substances.
There is a mandatory protection order barring him from contacting witnesses or the victim's family, except his daughters, one of whom was with the bail bondsman to get Morphew out of jail. He cannot possess firearms or dangerous weapons, and he must only use his legal name.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Franz Borghardt - Criminal Defense Attorney, Founder of Borghardt Law Firm, Former Prosecutor, Adjust Professor at Louisiana State University Teaching Criminal Litigation, website: www.borghardtlawfirm.com, Instagram and Facebook: BorghardtLawFirm
- Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst, Author: "Deal Breaker,” featured in hit show: "Paris in Love" on Peacock, www.drbethanymarshall.com , Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, Twitter: @DrBethanyLive
- Koa Lorimor - Former Army Sniper
- Chris McDonough - Director at the Cold Case Foundation, Former Homicide Detective, Host of YouTube channel, "The Interview Room" www.coldcasefoundation.org/chris-mcdonough
- Joseph Scott Morgan - Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University, Author, "Blood Beneath My Feet", Host: "Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan", @JoScottForensic
- Victoria Churchill - U.S. Political Reporter for DailyMail.com, Instagram & Facebook: VictoriaSnitsarChurchill
- Sydney Sumner - Crime Stories Investigative Reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Breaking news tonight. Barry Morphew,
charged in his wife Suzanne's murder, walks free, Yes, you
heard me, walks free after a murder one charge.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I want to thank you for being with us. Suzanne
Morphew goes missing on Mother's Day, torn.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Off her mountain bike to vanish into thin air. She
was shot full of animal tranquilizers before her death.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Bary Morphew has walked free, accompanied by his daughters, who
are absolutely.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Convinced he's innocent.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Then who did kill their mother and drag her remains
far far away? To Gregory Nietto, joining US investigative reporter
Fox thirty one, Denver, he's been on the more Aphew
story since the very beginning. Gregory, could you explain to
everyone where her remains were found.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
It's in an area that's about two and a half
hours away from the family home, just out of Salida, Colorado.
There's really no relevancy in terms of the area and
where the family had lived. And so that's part of
the theory is that her remains or whomever is responsible
for killing Susanne Morphy wanted to take those remains as
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far away as possible with the hope that her remains
would never be found.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Okay, wait a minute.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
How far away from their home were her remains found.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
It's a good two and a half hours away, different county.
It's actually two counties over county, which is south of
where the family home is, again outside Salida. Technically they
lived in this town by the name of Maysville, Colorado,
just to the south and the west of Salida. But again,
considering the amount of time that she had been missing,
(02:15):
that nobody had to found her body her remains for
it to be that far away, I think was part
of the illusion, if you will, that perhaps you know
someone else other than Berry is responsible for her death.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
How do you get that, natape.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Well, what I mean by that is, I think that's
part of the defense plan that if the remains are
found a good three years after she first is reported missing,
and they're found nowhere near Maysville or Salida, Colorado, two
and a half hours away. Again, part of that theory
is that she'll never be found, right. The other part
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of it is once she is eventually found, that it's
less and less of a connection in the defense's eyes
that it can be tied to a berry.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Wow, because you know what, I think the exact opposite
to Scott Iiker joining us, founding member of FBI's Cellular
Analysis Survey Team. But for purposes of this question, Homicide
Detective Norfolk, Virginia Police Department, Scott, Obviously it's someone who
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wanted to stage the murder. When there is a random murder,
all the wants to do is get the hay out
of there. For instance, a burdler comes into the house,
he sees me bam.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
And runs forget stealing the TV. I got to get
out of here.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
The person that murdered Susanne Morphew staged the scene, which
means to me it's not random.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
I Tony agree with that. If it was a burglar
coming in, he would have ended up in a discuffle
of something that he would run immediately and not staged
the scene. And that's evidence of someone that lives there,
that knows where things are supposed to be in that residence.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
You know, I want to talk about the staging aspect
of this. Mark Tate joining me, veteran trial lawyer defense
attorney with the Tate Law Group, who shot to fame
during the Alex Murdog investigation and conviction. Tate, Okay, I'm
not asking you to take the defense hat just yet.
I'm asking you to comment on what I'm talking about
(04:32):
staging the scene. Her bike was found closer to her home,
and at the time, Barry.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Morphy, you who has just walked free. Everybody stated a
mountain lion must have done it. There's her bike. Her
helmet was found about a mile away. I guess the
mountain lion did that too.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
So somebody went to the effort of putting the bike here,
the helmet somewhere else, and the body.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Far far away. Just go with me on this the.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Significant of staging the scene. Who stages Somebody that doesn't
want to be caught, Somebody that thinks they can el
smart police. If it's random, there's no staging.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Right, it does look staged. It makes a problem. I think,
as you discussed, just to take off the defense Council hat,
and I'm willing to do that, but this is the
kind of thing that makes it difficult to defend a case.
You know, the best type of case. If you're going
to defend someone who is accused of murderers where number one,
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the body's not found. Number two that it's not set
up to create and appear to be set up to
be a distraction. Obviously there was something created here to
try to make it look like it was a bicycle accident.
It was anything but a bicycle accident. And it gives
you know, this mister Morphew, his defense lawyer, a very
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difficult time I think to reckon with explanations that, and
of course the prescription for the tranquilizers that was found
in her or found in her, I think makes all
of that dipict.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Oh yeah, bam, oh yeah, very very difficult. You know,
Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us, I want you to follow
up on what Tate is saying. Renow psycho analysts out
of the LA jurisdiction, author of deal Breaker. You can
see her now on peacock and find her at doctor
Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany Staging staging. It could
(06:23):
be anything from let's see that I had one case
where the mom was found dead naked on her bed
and the perp had put a wicker the bathroom wicker
is largely decorative trash can over her head. It could
be as simple as hiding the body with leaves, or
putting a blanket over the body, putting the body in
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a trash bag. Just all of that is considered staging.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Or for instance, in the Ellen Greenberg case, stabbed nearly
thirty times, we've.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Got blood dried going from here to here. But somebody
had propped her up, the blow would have gone down.
But just propping her up equals staging. Who stages a sane.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
Person who stage is a scene is somebody who obviously
doesn't want to be caught. But it's not somebody who
has just raped the person or stolen something from them,
as you said earlier, or just maybe hit them in
a car accident or something like this. This is where
it's premeditated, and the purp has already prepared a dump
site for the body. I listened to the tape of
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the investigation when Morphew first went out with the investigators
to look for his wife, and I was surprised the
number of times he said, it must have been a
mountain lighton, it must have been a mountain lion, It
must have been a mountain lion. So not only was
there staging of the body, but there was this suggestive,
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persuasive influence on the people who were looking for her,
that something she had met, some demise that was perfectly
be explainable.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
It's like Dorothy and the Wizard of Oz, doctor Bethany
clicking heels together three times saying instead of there's no
place like home and suddenly being transported back to Kansas,
he's saying, it must have been a mountain lion.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
It must have been a mountain lion. It must have
been a mountain.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Lion that's going to transport him out of the murder investigation.
Speaker 7 (08:22):
You know what.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I appreciate you saying that, doctor Bethany, But let's hear
it from the horse's mouth. Is it a crash?
Speaker 8 (08:27):
I mean the bike hook the way it was, Lady,
that kind of looked like it, But there's not really
that much.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Damage to a bike lion, Yeah, lion. I didn't see
anything though, anything, And they're not letting us.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Go over the sights because they're getting a track.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Looking for Jackson on the route.
Speaker 8 (08:47):
I haven't seen anything really, but like pole tracks were
lyon and I didn't really know this, but I will lie.
I'm not like an expert.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Tractor or something without they may not be a mountain
lion expert, but I happened to have a mountain lion
expert with me right now. Esteemed doctor Gray Stafford, joining US,
a zoologist, has worked with zoos aquariums, consultant, host of
zoo Logic podcast, author of Zoomility.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
It goes on and on.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Faculty member Grand Canon University, Doctor Gray Stafford.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
The mountain lion. It must have been a very cunning
mountain lion.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
To jerk her off of her bike, take away her
body two and a half hours away, and oh yes,
on the way through her helmet elsewhere.
Speaker 8 (09:35):
Yeah, that's not going to happen. They might drag the
body away to a more convenient site, but not two
and a half hours away.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
What would you have expected to find at the scene
if a mountain lion? Oh good, great, I can't believe
we've been talking about a mountain lion. If a mountain
lion had killed Suzanne more few.
Speaker 8 (09:55):
Well, there would be tracks. If they had animals like
dogs to track this animal, they would pick up on sens.
There would be signs of struggle, signs of probably injury, bleeding.
Even if the animal dragged her away, there still would
be signs of struggle.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Doctor Gray Stafford, joining US renowned zoologist doctor Stafford. Isn't
it true that a wild animal such as a mountain
lion typically would only drag its prey x amount of
yards away so it could eat It would eat the
prey almost immediately. This is not some sci fi thriller
(10:30):
where the mythical mountain lion gets her body and much
like a griffin, then flies off to the mountains to
eat it. That's not the way it works with wild animals.
They drag the body thirty to fifty yards and they
eat it right then and there.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
They have a buffet there.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
I'm sure there's a reason for that. Are they afraid
another animal will get the carcass from them?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I don't know. I just know that's true.
Speaker 8 (10:56):
You're absolutely right, Nancy. An animal is going to want
to protect its kill, and depending on whether it's a
female with cubs or a male, their behavior might change
a little bit as far as how far they would
drag that prey away. But they're going to protect that prey,
and it's it's not going to be dragging that person
or prey miles and miles away.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Joining me, Tisha Leeway, a dear friend, Susans had more
few tisha When you first heard that Barry morph you
put it out there that Suzanne had been killed by
a mountain lion.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Did you believe that for one minute?
Speaker 6 (11:32):
No, not even a second.
Speaker 9 (11:35):
It was the most welsu defense that he could even have.
First of all, they didn't find any blood any you know,
anything to do with a mountain lion. You're not going
to find it clean space. You would a probably founder,
probably one hundred yards away if anything, or pieces of
her clothing blood, there was nothing.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Greg Renietta joining it. I was Fox thirty one, Denver. Now, Greg,
where did this mountain lion theory first come from?
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Well, first came from Barry the first night we were there,
when Suzanne was first reported missing. It was a twofold theory.
It initially started off with, well, perhaps it was a
homeless encampment that had dragged Suzanne away from her bicycle
and done away with her.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
A minute quickly, Gregory, hold on the homeless?
Speaker 8 (12:25):
Did it?
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Have you heard the homeless? Did it before? Okay? What?
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Between the mountain lion and the homeless encampment, it's always
the homeless they do it. Tell me about this, I
haven't heard this.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
So we the first again. Either she went missing, we
head down to Maysville, Colorado, and I know her best
friend there can explain it topography a little bit better
than I can. But regardless, the further south and west
you go, it quickly becomes I mean, extreme mountainous. At
one point, authorities were searching a nearby lake or pond
for Suzanne. When we first arrived on scene, it was
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the full point was the bicycle, the fact that Suzanne
was no longer attached to the bicycle, and the fact
that a homeless individual encampment was responsible. I was the
theory at the time when we first got down there
and dragged her away from that bicycle and is responsible
or was responsible for her death.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Following up on that vein Greg Grinietto, how far away
was the homeless encampment from where her bike was found?
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Not very far Again, you're talking about a mountainous area
where there are plenty of ravines and crevices and whatnot,
and her bicycle was found not all that far away
from the family home, but just far enough away where
again the theory was a homeless individual was responsible for
her demise that it was just far enough away from
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the house where that individual wouldn't have been seen.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
But wait a minute, you're saying Ravenes mountains, So the
homeless person climbs across the ravine and down the mountain
kills Suzanne.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
And then what that's the theory they went through all
that kil Susanne?
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Morph you, yeah, that was.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
The original or initial theory that that may have been
what happened to her. I mean that area, if you know,
we look at it on foot, and as we did,
it doesn't seem like an area that any other individual
human being.
Speaker 10 (14:17):
What even if you.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Were homeless, I don't think you had enough access to
enough of the you know, land amenities to survive. So
anybody else living in the area where the bicycle was, well, you're.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Making me think of another question. Gregory, who first came
up with the idea that she had disappeared off her bike?
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Who first said she was going for a ride so
she was all alone on Mother's Day? Fat chance?
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Who first put that in everybody's mind that she would
be attached to her bike?
Speaker 3 (14:51):
It was buried?
Speaker 1 (14:52):
And greg Rinietto, isn't it true that Bary Morphew said
that to the neighbor that he called, like, where is
her bike?
Speaker 2 (14:58):
She was going to go for a ride something like that.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
I mean again, if you remember, Barry was out of
town on Mother's Day weekend up in closer to Denver,
and you know, when we first arrived down there in
the Mainsville area, one of the prevailing theories was why
would she be riding that bicycle by herself on Mother's Day,
Mother's Day weekend? And where was Barry? And why was
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it that she's out there on this bicycle by herself
in an area where the further you get away from
the family home. I mean, in theory, you know, it
could be I suppose a little bit more dangerous just
because you're getting further further away from the home. But
Barry is the first one that established that theory about
the bicycle and her being removed from it. And that's
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where this all kind of started.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Crime Stores with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Well, it's happened, Barry more a few has walked free again.
He is out from behind bars again tonight.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
It just seems like yesterday he was begging for his
wife to come home.
Speaker 11 (16:10):
Oh, Susan, if anyone is out there, I can hear
this that has you. Please, We'll do whatever it takes
to bring you back. We love you and you miss you.
Your girl's needs us. No questions asked, however much they want.
I will do whatever it takes to get you back, honey.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
I love you. I want your back so bad.
Speaker 9 (16:37):
She was in the backyard and I think that's where
he shot her with a tranquilizer gun.
Speaker 6 (16:42):
I think she got up.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I think she ran.
Speaker 12 (16:44):
He ain't looking around for nothing. He's not calling her name.
He doesn't say hey, in case she got hurt on
the bike. There was some marble accent. He doesn't refer
to it. He didn't talk about it. He's not checking anything.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Barry Moore, few charged in the murder of his wife,
Suzanne Morphew, has walked free.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Yes, listen.
Speaker 13 (17:05):
When Barry Morphew is indicted in Colorado for the first
degree murder of his wife, Suzanne, Arizona, friends who know
him as Bruce or Lee Moore are conflicted when they
find out that the guy they had a beerra dance
with is not a local handyman from the trailer park,
but a man wanted for first degree murder of his wife.
Finding out Bruce is not his real name. Harold's Cave
(17:27):
Creek garral Bard manager Charlie Lutz spends hours reading stories
about the man from Colorado accused of murdering his wife
on Mother's Day.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Greg grinietto joining US investigative reporter Fox thirty one Denver.
Didn't the judge do a complete one eighty and about face?
Speaker 2 (17:46):
What was the first view on bond?
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Yet they were simply trying to get the overall amount produced,
and the judge was not going to go for that.
And so ultimately the shock of everybody, I think, and
at least in the state of Colorado, the judge went
down the path of this surety, which is really translations
for baillbombsman covering in this case, ten percent of that
three million dollar bond. The first question, of course to
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Barry's attorney as well, who's responsible for raising this money?
And imagine the two daughters have that much money, And
all the attorney would say is it's his supporters. Well,
who are the supporters. I've been in constant contact with
the folks down in Salida radio station down there, who
has kind of the temperature of the community, and they
could not think of anybody that would fit the bill
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of a very morphew supporter outside of his two daughters
and perhaps of some women in Arizona.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
What do you mean women in Arizona? Is he now
a sugar baby? Is somebody supporting him?
Speaker 3 (18:49):
That the idea has been floated a little bit down
there with the amount of time he was spending in Arizona.
And at this point, that's that's just what some folks
he answer.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Somebody had to put up this money.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Somebody had to put up the money half of it,
and the bail bondsman a dinvers a one bail bonds
agreed to cover the rest.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Somebody had to put up something.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Yeah, the journey, that's all I would he would leave
it with is that Barry Morphy supporters. And again, the
amount of times I've been down there, kishickn vouch for this.
I mean being inside the courtroom, being outside the courtroom.
I don't think again, outside of the two daughters who
were always there every time Barry is let out of jail,
I couldn't remember talking to one person who would say, hey,
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you know, you just don't know Berry like I know Barry.
We support him throughout everything he's going through. So when
you talk about Barry Morphy supporters. I don't know who
that would be.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
But it's not just that the judge did a U
turn in the middle of the road and gave Barry
Morphew bond.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
He has walked free, all smiles, and why shouldn't he
be but listen to these bond restrictions.
Speaker 13 (20:07):
Morphew's bond restrictions begin with a GPS monitor, a ban
on leaving Colorado and surrendering his passport. He is also
under strict house arrest and can only leave his home
for medical emergencies or meetings with his attorneys. He's not
allowed to consume alcohol or controlled substances. There is a
mandatory protection order barring him from contacting witnesses or the
victim's family, except his daughters, one of whom was with
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the bailbondsman to get more few out of jail. He
cannot possess firearms or dangerous weapons, and he must only
use his legal name.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
What an ankle monitor? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Does anybody on this panel know how to beat an
ankle monitor?
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Anybody?
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I bet Tate does Mark Tate? I' vetter a defense attorney.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Let me just say Swans don't swim in a sesspool. Tait,
all right, I'm sure you know how to beat an
ankle monitor.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Can we start with cutting this track? Can we just
start with that that's an obvious or using aluminum foil?
Speaker 2 (21:05):
You ever heard of that?
Speaker 5 (21:08):
Well, I would never counsel a client to try to
counter his bond measures life, but we do have I
wouldn't do that now if it was me that needed
to get away and it was you know, something that
would help produce a better show for you, when we
could talk about me hiding one of my ankle monitors.
But right now I'm not on one, so that's not
really something to worry about. But no, that clearly would
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be a violation of his bond. And you know, I
think that.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Tank, I think Suzanne Watch You is dead.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
I've seen it, and we are dealing obviously with a murder.
It's a bad situation. No one, I think, is alleged
that this was a We're talking about somebody who's blamed
a mountain lion. We've talked about somebody who has shifted around,
is using fake names. Come on, Nancy, he's using fake names.
He's made a mockery of this system and if we
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can figure out a way to show that he, in
fact is the mockery, that increases, I think the chance
of him breaking and being held accountable for what happened
to his wife. You know, he's fled the jurisdiction. By
the way, the trailer park that he that we keep
talking about, was not some squalid trailer park. It's a
very campy glamping park that is a place where people
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book little fund stays. It's not, you know, the squalid
trailer park that perhaps we have seen. This guy is
a mockery of himself, and so it's time I think start.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Calling him right there.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Grandma lived in a trailer So I don't know what
you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I'm not talking about. We're talking about he again. Why
am I hearing that? I'm still hearing him? Can we
go to Scott Iker plays Iker, founding member FBI Cellular
Analysis Survey Team.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Can we talk about ways to be an ankle monitor.
It's not rocket science, it's not brain stars.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Number one cut the strap, yeah, number two, use aluminum foil,
and it creates basically rudimentary Faraday cage.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Explain that's true, and a Faraday bag or Faraday cage
is referred to restricts the radio signal coming from the monitor,
and so it basically shuts it down so none of
the devices can receive that data. So you could leave
the house that you're supposed to be and if you
cover it up or as you said, cut it off
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and leave it at the house, then the authorities don't
know that you've left the house. Those are easy ways
to beat the hank monitor.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
What about using a metal container that completely can block
the signal? Can it not?
Speaker 4 (23:47):
It can anything. That's that's what a Faraday bag is basically,
and it's a like tinfoil. But if you use the
metal container, you can use the same thing. Of course,
you'd have to kind of seal it up of the
radio signals don't get out.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Of it, you know.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
I'm also thinking about how to beat the ankle monitor
at Sadly, we've already given him several ideas.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I still don't get it.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Greg reenietto why the judge did a one eighty before
there was a bond in place and then suddenly he's
allowed to make bond.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
What happened?
Speaker 3 (24:24):
We're all baffled by that. The folks that were listening
into that hearing just assumed that when she the judge
refused the first request in terms of the overall dollar amount,
we just assumed that even though the defense would come
back with a counter offer, if you will, the judge
would again say, you know, no dice. But again, it's
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proving that Barry is almost like a teflon dawn, right.
I mean, every time we think collectively that we've reached
the end of the road in terms of finally getting
to a trial, something new happens. Talk to the folks
in Salida who are there every single day to She'll
tell you the same thing. Other things in the world
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were going on last week when the judge first made
the decision to go with the surety, and then when
Barry's supporters came through with the money to post that bond,
other things in the world and the country were going on,
and the temperature in Solida was you know, oh my gosh,
this came out of left field. How in the world
does this happen again? Coming to almost the end of
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the road legally, if you will, And then once again
it's getting off the highway.
Speaker 11 (25:32):
Host Suzanne, if anyone is out there, I can hear
this that has you Please, we'll do whatever it takes
to bring you back. We love you and you miss you.
Your girls and easy unions, no questions asked, however much
they want, I will do whatever it takes to get
(25:52):
you back, Honey. I love you and I want your bats.
Speaker 13 (25:58):
In gay Preek, Arizona, a town of less than five
thousand people, a man chows up after the COVID epidemic,
introducing himself as Bruce and ordering a cold beer at
Harold's Cave Pree Corral. Our manager Charlie Lutz says, ladies
approached Bruce and flirt and he would do the same.
Libby sprool is at Harold's when the new man in
town asks her for a dance. Lebby says, you're very
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more few, but the stranger says, no, no, I think
you have the wrong person. Later in the evening, an
individual introduces the new guy as Lee from Indiana.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Lee from Indiana, My rear.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
End to Dave Matt joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter,
who is Lee from Indiana?
Speaker 10 (26:40):
Well, Lee from Indiana is just a made up or
half made up person, because you know, Barry Morphew is
from Indiana originally, and he's been in Colorado. But now
we're out in Arizona and this man from nowhere into
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town and pops up to the bar and gets a
cold beer and asks the lady to dad, I'm Lee Moore,
got a new life.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Okay, hold on just a moment to doctor Bethany Marshall
joining us psychoanalyst out of the Beverly Hills Jurisdiction.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Doctor Bethany, hold On, have you ever noticed when people.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Start an elaborate lie, they very often weed in a
few true facts, I guess so they can keep their
story straight. He is from Indiana, so I mean this
is established. Apparently he's at a bar drinking a cold beer.
Women flock to him.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
I don't get it. I do not get it.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
It's just like you know, women that the woman that
married jord Vanderslout and had his children the guy that
murdered Natalie Holloway and Stephanie Tasciana Flores, right, I think
he's had two babies behind bars.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
I don't get it. Why do women flock to this guy?
Number two? Number one question? So easy to make up
a false identity.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Isn't it weaving well parts of the truth into history?
Speaker 2 (28:10):
And is it Barry Morphew's middle name Lee.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
You know, Nancy. I think there's always this sliver of
truth in every lie, and that's why it becomes believable
to some people. But I have another theory, which is
that when people lie, they build it on a foundation
of some truth because they are also lying to themselves.
In other words, they have to convince themselves that what
they're saying is true so that it becomes believable to
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the people around them. They have to embrace the lie,
live the lie. So if it's tethered to some little
Oh I'm from Indiana, I have size ten shoes, you know,
I have two daughters. Whatever it is about his life,
then he can build a whole narrative around that and
be more convincing to the people around him.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
In other words, line and sinker hook, line and sinker.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Bok.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
How do they do it? I mean, is there some
trick to it?
Speaker 1 (29:07):
When I have lied, I get all hot all over.
I can feel it. I feel like I'm suddenly running
a fever. I've even stammered when trying to tell a lie.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
It never works for me. But some people just rolls
off their tongue.
Speaker 6 (29:23):
If you have no conscience, it's easy to lie, and
they're very charming. They're very manipulative, and I think this
is why the women at the bar flocked to him,
That these types of individuals are initially very outgoing, they're
very talkative. Words just roll off their tongue, and I
think the women really like that. They're like, hey, this
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is an authentic guy. This guy's telling me all about himself.
He's social. Unlike my last boyfriend or my last husband,
who wouldn't go anywhere with me. This guy's out and
about and he loves other people. So they're initially charming
and tilt.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
They're not, you know, Mark Taate. Don't you just hate
it when your client.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Tries to fabricate a big fat lie about his identity
but he uses his own middle name in his birthplace.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
Whoopsie, Yeah, it's a disaster. This guy is just as
an example, I think once more of really the defendant's
own words get himself in trouble, and he's obviously got
a very skilled criminal defense lawyer who's done a good
job for him. He's got him out on bond. He
was successful at apparently baring out some prosecutory of misconduct
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possibly before. But again the words that come out of
his mouth that simply are incongruent with the facts as
we see them, and in somewhat you know, sort of
farcicle when we say that a mountain lion apparently was
carrying a tranquilizer gun. It doesn't make any sense. And
those types of things, in the course of the investigation
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and the prosecution, the presentation of their case in chief,
I think you're going to play a big role. And
so once again when a client comes to me, my
first word to them is, you don't talk. You have
a rite against self incrimination, and you should exercise it,
because you know, we can only work with defending what
you make available to us, and they can work with
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all the words that you use and say to all
the investigators involved, and that all comes out. And it's
those types of circumstantial statements you make and ludicrous things
that you claim that make a jury have zero find
you have zero credibility and put very little confidence, including
making up names. When you move six hundred miles away
to Arizona and you start approaching women with fake names
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at bars, it's disingenuous and nobody on a jury wants
to see that or likes to see it.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
And you know, doctor Bethany Marshall, you see how he
uses tidbits of the truth.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
His middle name is Lee.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
I mean he does not have a very good imagination.
He's very lee more few and he says he's lay
More from Indiana. I guess he would claim that is
the truth.
Speaker 6 (32:06):
You know, Nancy, we see with prisoners on death row
that the longer they're there, the more they cling to
the fact that they were not the perpetrator. I think
that in this case, we see somebody who's pumping himself
up into somebody. He's not using slivers of the truth.
But you know, we're talking about the women who come
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up to him at the bar. I would be more
interested in the women who said, no, I don't want
to dance with you, or no, I don't want to
go on a date with you, or after the second
date were creeped out and decided not to see him again.
How does he react when somebody says no to him?
And how might that be behavioral evidence in terms of
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how he treated his wife. And one more thing, Nancy,
back to the mountain lion. Back to that mountain lion,
The poor mountain lion, when he's telling the story about
the Mountain Lion, there's no concern or empathy towards the
wife who's gone. And that's one of the primary things
we look for in homicide when we do interviews, is
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does the alleged purp have empathy towards the person who's
no longer there? If they start criticizing that person or
acting dispassionate, or in this case with the new identity,
just dating other women, it shows that there's not a
tie to the lost love object, which really goes against
human nature. We want to be with and care about
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the people we love.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Doctor Bethany. Of course, the defense, a veteran defense.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Attorney like Mark Tate will argue that someone's behavior or
their demeanor it means nothing.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
I mean, I think they all.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Stell it from Mark Giragues. There's no playbook for gree
or panic. Okay, fine, tell it to a jury. But
when you look at Bary Moore of you, he's like, hey,
many of Matlin did it.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
You're right, there's no inflection at all.
Speaker 6 (33:56):
And in these cases when somebody doesn't show empathy, the
rare times that we can say there's no playbook for
grief is if the person is dissociated, they're so traumatized
that they're dissociated, so they show no affect. But in
that case, they're not going to make up a big
old lie about a mountain lion. They're not going to
be excited, they're not going to be talking about tracks
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on the road. They're not going to be going to
a bar and flirting with other women. Because people who
are traumatized and dissociated usually just withdraw from society. So
that's the only reason, only only reason ever, Nancy, that
somebody who's lost a loved one shows no affect is
because they are protecting themselves. But that is very rare.
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Unless he has a history of trauma and a dissociative disorder,
he would naturally feel grief. He would be pushing those
people along to find his wife. He wouldn't have clever
words rolling off his tongue in terms of what might
have happened to her.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Tish leeway with us, very your friend of Suzanne Morphew.
I don't get it. What is so charming, so charismatic?
What's the pull a Barry Morphew aka Lee War Was
he that charismatic?
Speaker 10 (35:13):
No?
Speaker 9 (35:14):
I think he's a narcissistic pig if I could say that, but.
Speaker 6 (35:20):
I don't understand.
Speaker 9 (35:22):
I mean, he was dating right after six months she
went missing, So I mean that tells you a lot.
It doesn't surprise me that he's in Arizona trying to.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
Pick up on women.
Speaker 9 (35:34):
He I think he thought he was a man that
can get whatever he wants, and obviously, so far in
this whole thing, he's gotten everything he's asked for.
Speaker 6 (35:44):
That's including bond.
Speaker 13 (35:46):
Six hundred miles from where Suzanne Morphy was murdered in Colorado.
Her now widowed husband, once accused of her murder, is
making a new life for himself. He tells a bar
manager his name is Bruce, and is introduced to a
bar patron, Libby Sproule, as from Indiana, creating distance from
his past life as Barry morphew suspect and his wife's
unsolved murder. The man, who is now known around town
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as Lee Moore, lives at the Stardust Trailer Park and
is self employed.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Susanne Morphew's alleged killer has
walked free. That would be her husband, Barry Morphew, now
using an alias to pick up women at a bar
straight out to special guests joining US doctor Thomas Coyne,
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chief Medical Examiner District to Medical Examber's office in Florida,
forensic pathologist, toxicologist. It goes on, doctor Coin, thank you
for being with us in her.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Bones and I don't know how they did this. I
hope you can explain.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Evidence was found that she was saturated with BAM, b A,
m BE, torphenol, A zaparone, metatomasine.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
What is that?
Speaker 7 (37:15):
So, first of all, I'll just answer real quick. Toxicology
testing in this case was performed on bone tissue because
obviously she was comprised only of skeletal remains. They had
no soft tissue, no blood, no urine, so the only
thing they could test was bone. And bone can actually
be used to identify drugs or compounds, whether it's the
marrow if there's fat, because all of our bones have
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fat within the marrow. Sometimes you can test the marrow
or you can actually test the bone itself. The bone.
Mineral drugs will stick to it just based on charge,
and so you can identify drugs from bone, thankfully, especially
in this case. But with regards to what they identified
the BAM BAM's an acronym for a combination of three
drugs BEU torphenol, aziperone, and metatomidine. And those drugs individually
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all have powerful sedative properties, and they're used preferentially in
large animal species to tranquilize an animal and then to
of course incapacitate the animal. All three of these drugs
in large animals are fairly safe. In other words, they
work very rapidly within ten to fifteen minutes to bring
an animal down and to make that animal immobile so you,
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the human can interact with that animal safely. And then
these drugs are safe enough in large animals that they're
expected to allow that animal to recover and then go
back into its normal habitat. But these drugs are primarily
used in large animals like deer, elk, even black bear,
because they're safe in large animals, they are not safe
in humans. The concentrations of the drugs used in this
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tranquilizer that achieve sedation and immobilization in an animal would
be highly toxic in the human. These drugs in combination
cause are cause profound respiratory depression and a decrease in
your heart rate and blood pressure in other words, than
a human. It would stop that human from breathing, and
it could also stop that human's heart, and so that
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because of that, these drugs are contraindicated as a combination
in humans. They're only used in veterinary medicine. You would
not find these in the pharmacy for humans or in
a hospital pharmacy's formulary. It's only used for veterinary purposes.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Can I boil it down? Doctor Thomas Coin? With a
quote from animal Farm, four legs good, two legs bad.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Animals can sustain bam, it's deadly for people.
Speaker 7 (39:37):
Correct, Yes, that's absolutely correct.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
And doctor Coin, when you refer to getting the DNA
from her bone marrow, what is.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
In simple regular people taught what is bone marrow.
Speaker 7 (39:49):
So the inside of our long bones has marrow. Marrow
is the part of our body that makes our blood
cells are predominantly our red blood cells, but also has
a lot of fat. Especially in those of us who
are above the age of thirty. Most of our bone
marrow is fat. That's why people actually eat bone marrow.
It's very tasty because of that fat. So that fat
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reservoir can contain drugs, especially if you use it to
test for toxicology, but the bone mineral itself. So let's
say a person has been decomposed and their bones have
been outside for a long period of time, all of
that fat tissue inside the bone may be gone, so
all you're left with is the actual bone itself. You
can actually still test that bone because the minerals that
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make up our bone drugs will stick to it based
on charge, and so even in archaeological samples that are
greater than one hundred years old, you can sometimes test
and find what a person may have consumed, poisons in
their environment, things of that nature. So it can still
be used for toxicology testing.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Matt to Gray Stafford, zoologist doctor Gray Stafford, tell me
about BAM, how it's used.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Why would anybody even have it? That's not a VET.
Speaker 8 (41:01):
That's a great question, because it is used in wildlife medicine.
As your previous guests I mentioned, it's highly concentrated. The
three drug cocktail is highly regulated. It's dangerous around human beings.
You have to have high concentration, high efficacy of this
drug because of course you're shooting a dart and you
can't have large volumes that you're injecting into an elephant
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from a helicopter or from tree stand, it has to
be very potent, So even a small amount can be
very catastrophic for human being.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
You know, according to the indictment linking Morphew to purchases
of BAM, prescription records show that when Suzanne Morphew disappeared,
only one private citizen living in the entire area of
the state had access to BAM. One private citizen that
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is not a veterinarian, and that would be very Morphew. Now,
according to the evidence, her body was saturated with BAM.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
To Scott Iiker joining us, founding member.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Of the FBI's elite Cellular Analysis Survey team, you just
heard doctor Gray Stafford, the zoologist, state that BAM enters
the body through a dart. Now, according to SELL data,
we see erratic movements by Mary Morphew's phone just before
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Suzanne Morphew disappears.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
Could you explain I can I've seen the photograph that
Dave presented where there's some GPS points that looks like
around the house. I guess Barry claimed that at this
point in time he's moving around the house shooting chipmunks
with darts. One that's that's a very hard thing to do,
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those little tiny guys for the dart. But I can
see that that's the GPS points or whatever they might be,
you know, put his phone moving around the house, and
that could be from several different things. It could be
GPS from the phone, it could be estimated locations from
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the cellular network which is not GPS, So he could
be just moving around the house in this case, maybe
straightening up or cleaning up to the mess. I don't
believe he's obviously out there shooting chipmunks.
Speaker 13 (43:36):
Very Morphew's cell phone is pinging all around the house
on May night. Investigators believe the activity shows Morphew chasing
Suzanne around the house after shooting her with the tranquilizer gun.
Asked about the unusual activity, more few claims he was
just shooting chipmunks around the property. They're a constant problem.
Another problem for Morphew is his timeline of the night
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of May ninth. He claims he went to bed at
eight pm, but computer shows the truck in reverse and
backing up toward the house around nine thirty pm.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Let me remind everyone that Barry Morphew is considered under
the law innocent.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
He is presumed.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
Innocent, and the rest of that sentence is unless and
until the state overcomes that presumption with evidence that proves guilt.
Right now, Barry Morphew is presumed innocent. If you know
or think you know anything about Suzanne Morphew's murder, you
(44:39):
may think it's insignificant. LA law enforcement may think otherwise.
It's not too late to come forward. The tip line
is seven one nine three one two seven five three
zero repeat seven one nine three one two seven five
three zero.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Nancy Gray signing off.
Speaker 5 (45:00):
Can I S
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Breaking news tonight. Barry Morphew,
charged in his wife Suzanne's murder, walks free, Yes, you
heard me, walks free after a murder one charge.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I want to thank you for being with us. Suzanne
Morphew goes missing on Mother's Day, torn.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Off her mountain bike to vanish into thin air. She
was shot full of animal tranquilizers before her death.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Bary Morphew has walked free, accompanied by his daughters, who
are absolutely.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Convinced he's innocent.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Then who did kill their mother and drag her remains
far far away? To Gregory Nietto, joining US investigative reporter
Fox thirty one, Denver, he's been on the more Aphew
story since the very beginning. Gregory, could you explain to
everyone where her remains were found.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
It's in an area that's about two and a half
hours away from the family home, just out of Salida, Colorado.
There's really no relevancy in terms of the area and
where the family had lived. And so that's part of
the theory is that her remains or whomever is responsible
for killing Susanne Morphy wanted to take those remains as
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far away as possible with the hope that her remains
would never be found.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Okay, wait a minute.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
How far away from their home were her remains found.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
It's a good two and a half hours away, different county.
It's actually two counties over county, which is south of
where the family home is, again outside Salida. Technically they
lived in this town by the name of Maysville, Colorado,
just to the south and the west of Salida. But again,
considering the amount of time that she had been missing,
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that nobody had to found her body her remains for
it to be that far away, I think was part
of the illusion, if you will, that perhaps you know
someone else other than Berry is responsible for her death.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
How do you get that, natape.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Well, what I mean by that is, I think that's
part of the defense plan that if the remains are
found a good three years after she first is reported missing,
and they're found nowhere near Maysville or Salida, Colorado, two
and a half hours away. Again, part of that theory
is that she'll never be found, right. The other part
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of it is once she is eventually found, that it's
less and less of a connection in the defense's eyes
that it can be tied to a berry.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Wow, because you know what, I think the exact opposite
to Scott Iiker joining us, founding member of FBI's Cellular
Analysis Survey Team. But for purposes of this question, Homicide
Detective Norfolk, Virginia Police Department, Scott, Obviously it's someone who
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wanted to stage the murder. When there is a random murder,
all the wants to do is get the hay out
of there. For instance, a burdler comes into the house,
he sees me bam.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
And runs forget stealing the TV. I got to get
out of here.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
The person that murdered Susanne Morphew staged the scene, which
means to me it's not random.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
I Tony agree with that. If it was a burglar
coming in, he would have ended up in a discuffle
of something that he would run immediately and not staged
the scene. And that's evidence of someone that lives there,
that knows where things are supposed to be in that residence.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
You know, I want to talk about the staging aspect
of this. Mark Tate joining me, veteran trial lawyer defense
attorney with the Tate Law Group, who shot to fame
during the Alex Murdog investigation and conviction. Tate, Okay, I'm
not asking you to take the defense hat just yet.
I'm asking you to comment on what I'm talking about
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staging the scene. Her bike was found closer to her home,
and at the time, Barry.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Morphy, you who has just walked free. Everybody stated a
mountain lion must have done it. There's her bike. Her
helmet was found about a mile away. I guess the
mountain lion did that too.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
So somebody went to the effort of putting the bike here,
the helmet somewhere else, and the body.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Far far away. Just go with me on this the.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Significant of staging the scene. Who stages Somebody that doesn't
want to be caught, Somebody that thinks they can el
smart police. If it's random, there's no staging.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Right, it does look staged. It makes a problem. I think,
as you discussed, just to take off the defense Council hat,
and I'm willing to do that, but this is the
kind of thing that makes it difficult to defend a case.
You know, the best type of case. If you're going
to defend someone who is accused of murderers where number one,
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the body's not found. Number two that it's not set
up to create and appear to be set up to
be a distraction. Obviously there was something created here to
try to make it look like it was a bicycle accident.
It was anything but a bicycle accident. And it gives
you know, this mister Morphew, his defense lawyer, a very
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difficult time I think to reckon with explanations that, and
of course the prescription for the tranquilizers that was found
in her or found in her, I think makes all
of that dipict.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Oh yeah, bam, oh yeah, very very difficult. You know,
Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us, I want you to follow
up on what Tate is saying. Renow psycho analysts out
of the LA jurisdiction, author of deal Breaker. You can
see her now on peacock and find her at doctor
Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany Staging staging. It could
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be anything from let's see that I had one case
where the mom was found dead naked on her bed
and the perp had put a wicker the bathroom wicker
is largely decorative trash can over her head. It could
be as simple as hiding the body with leaves, or
putting a blanket over the body, putting the body in
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a trash bag. Just all of that is considered staging.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Or for instance, in the Ellen Greenberg case, stabbed nearly
thirty times, we've.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Got blood dried going from here to here. But somebody
had propped her up, the blow would have gone down.
But just propping her up equals staging. Who stages a sane.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
Person who stage is a scene is somebody who obviously
doesn't want to be caught. But it's not somebody who
has just raped the person or stolen something from them,
as you said earlier, or just maybe hit them in
a car accident or something like this. This is where
it's premeditated, and the purp has already prepared a dump
site for the body. I listened to the tape of
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the investigation when Morphew first went out with the investigators
to look for his wife, and I was surprised the
number of times he said, it must have been a
mountain lighton, it must have been a mountain lion, It
must have been a mountain lion. So not only was
there staging of the body, but there was this suggestive,
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persuasive influence on the people who were looking for her,
that something she had met, some demise that was perfectly
be explainable.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
It's like Dorothy and the Wizard of Oz, doctor Bethany
clicking heels together three times saying instead of there's no
place like home and suddenly being transported back to Kansas,
he's saying, it must have been a mountain lion.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
It must have been a mountain lion. It must have
been a mountain.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Lion that's going to transport him out of the murder investigation.
Speaker 7 (08:22):
You know what.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I appreciate you saying that, doctor Bethany, But let's hear
it from the horse's mouth. Is it a crash?
Speaker 8 (08:27):
I mean the bike hook the way it was, Lady,
that kind of looked like it, But there's not really
that much.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Damage to a bike lion, Yeah, lion. I didn't see
anything though, anything, And they're not letting us.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Go over the sights because they're getting a track.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Looking for Jackson on the route.
Speaker 8 (08:47):
I haven't seen anything really, but like pole tracks were
lyon and I didn't really know this, but I will lie.
I'm not like an expert.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Tractor or something without they may not be a mountain
lion expert, but I happened to have a mountain lion
expert with me right now. Esteemed doctor Gray Stafford, joining US,
a zoologist, has worked with zoos aquariums, consultant, host of
zoo Logic podcast, author of Zoomility.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
It goes on and on.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Faculty member Grand Canon University, Doctor Gray Stafford.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
The mountain lion. It must have been a very cunning
mountain lion.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
To jerk her off of her bike, take away her
body two and a half hours away, and oh yes,
on the way through her helmet elsewhere.
Speaker 8 (09:35):
Yeah, that's not going to happen. They might drag the
body away to a more convenient site, but not two
and a half hours away.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
What would you have expected to find at the scene
if a mountain lion? Oh good, great, I can't believe
we've been talking about a mountain lion. If a mountain
lion had killed Suzanne more few.
Speaker 8 (09:55):
Well, there would be tracks. If they had animals like
dogs to track this animal, they would pick up on sens.
There would be signs of struggle, signs of probably injury, bleeding.
Even if the animal dragged her away, there still would
be signs of struggle.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Doctor Gray Stafford, joining US renowned zoologist doctor Stafford. Isn't
it true that a wild animal such as a mountain
lion typically would only drag its prey x amount of
yards away so it could eat It would eat the
prey almost immediately. This is not some sci fi thriller
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where the mythical mountain lion gets her body and much
like a griffin, then flies off to the mountains to
eat it. That's not the way it works with wild animals.
They drag the body thirty to fifty yards and they
eat it right then and there.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
They have a buffet there.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
I'm sure there's a reason for that. Are they afraid
another animal will get the carcass from them?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I don't know. I just know that's true.
Speaker 8 (10:56):
You're absolutely right, Nancy. An animal is going to want
to protect its kill, and depending on whether it's a
female with cubs or a male, their behavior might change
a little bit as far as how far they would
drag that prey away. But they're going to protect that prey,
and it's it's not going to be dragging that person
or prey miles and miles away.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Joining me, Tisha Leeway, a dear friend, Susans had more
few tisha When you first heard that Barry morph you
put it out there that Suzanne had been killed by
a mountain lion.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Did you believe that for one minute?
Speaker 6 (11:32):
No, not even a second.
Speaker 9 (11:35):
It was the most welsu defense that he could even have.
First of all, they didn't find any blood any you know,
anything to do with a mountain lion. You're not going
to find it clean space. You would a probably founder,
probably one hundred yards away if anything, or pieces of
her clothing blood, there was nothing.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Greg Renietta joining it. I was Fox thirty one, Denver. Now, Greg,
where did this mountain lion theory first come from?
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Well, first came from Barry the first night we were there,
when Suzanne was first reported missing. It was a twofold theory.
It initially started off with, well, perhaps it was a
homeless encampment that had dragged Suzanne away from her bicycle
and done away with her.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
A minute quickly, Gregory, hold on the homeless?
Speaker 8 (12:25):
Did it?
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Have you heard the homeless? Did it before? Okay? What?
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Between the mountain lion and the homeless encampment, it's always
the homeless they do it. Tell me about this, I
haven't heard this.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
So we the first again. Either she went missing, we
head down to Maysville, Colorado, and I know her best
friend there can explain it topography a little bit better
than I can. But regardless, the further south and west
you go, it quickly becomes I mean, extreme mountainous. At
one point, authorities were searching a nearby lake or pond
for Suzanne. When we first arrived on scene, it was
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the full point was the bicycle, the fact that Suzanne
was no longer attached to the bicycle, and the fact
that a homeless individual encampment was responsible. I was the
theory at the time when we first got down there
and dragged her away from that bicycle and is responsible
or was responsible for her death.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Following up on that vein Greg Grinietto, how far away
was the homeless encampment from where her bike was found?
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Not very far Again, you're talking about a mountainous area
where there are plenty of ravines and crevices and whatnot,
and her bicycle was found not all that far away
from the family home, but just far enough away where
again the theory was a homeless individual was responsible for
her demise that it was just far enough away from
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the house where that individual wouldn't have been seen.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
But wait a minute, you're saying Ravenes mountains, So the
homeless person climbs across the ravine and down the mountain
kills Suzanne.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
And then what that's the theory they went through all
that kil Susanne?
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Morph you, yeah, that was.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
The original or initial theory that that may have been
what happened to her. I mean that area, if you know,
we look at it on foot, and as we did,
it doesn't seem like an area that any other individual
human being.
Speaker 10 (14:17):
What even if you.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Were homeless, I don't think you had enough access to
enough of the you know, land amenities to survive. So
anybody else living in the area where the bicycle was, well, you're.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Making me think of another question. Gregory, who first came
up with the idea that she had disappeared off her bike?
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Who first said she was going for a ride so
she was all alone on Mother's Day? Fat chance?
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Who first put that in everybody's mind that she would
be attached to her bike?
Speaker 3 (14:51):
It was buried?
Speaker 1 (14:52):
And greg Rinietto, isn't it true that Bary Morphew said
that to the neighbor that he called, like, where is
her bike?
Speaker 2 (14:58):
She was going to go for a ride something like that.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
I mean again, if you remember, Barry was out of
town on Mother's Day weekend up in closer to Denver,
and you know, when we first arrived down there in
the Mainsville area, one of the prevailing theories was why
would she be riding that bicycle by herself on Mother's Day,
Mother's Day weekend? And where was Barry? And why was
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it that she's out there on this bicycle by herself
in an area where the further you get away from
the family home. I mean, in theory, you know, it
could be I suppose a little bit more dangerous just
because you're getting further further away from the home. But
Barry is the first one that established that theory about
the bicycle and her being removed from it. And that's
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where this all kind of started.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Crime Stores with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Well, it's happened, Barry more a few has walked free again.
He is out from behind bars again tonight.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
It just seems like yesterday he was begging for his
wife to come home.
Speaker 11 (16:10):
Oh, Susan, if anyone is out there, I can hear
this that has you. Please, We'll do whatever it takes
to bring you back. We love you and you miss you.
Your girl's needs us. No questions asked, however much they want.
I will do whatever it takes to get you back, honey.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
I love you. I want your back so bad.
Speaker 9 (16:37):
She was in the backyard and I think that's where
he shot her with a tranquilizer gun.
Speaker 6 (16:42):
I think she got up.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I think she ran.
Speaker 12 (16:44):
He ain't looking around for nothing. He's not calling her name.
He doesn't say hey, in case she got hurt on
the bike. There was some marble accent. He doesn't refer
to it. He didn't talk about it. He's not checking anything.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Barry Moore, few charged in the murder of his wife,
Suzanne Morphew, has walked free.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Yes, listen.
Speaker 13 (17:05):
When Barry Morphew is indicted in Colorado for the first
degree murder of his wife, Suzanne, Arizona, friends who know
him as Bruce or Lee Moore are conflicted when they
find out that the guy they had a beerra dance
with is not a local handyman from the trailer park,
but a man wanted for first degree murder of his wife.
Finding out Bruce is not his real name. Harold's Cave
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Creek garral Bard manager Charlie Lutz spends hours reading stories
about the man from Colorado accused of murdering his wife
on Mother's Day.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Greg grinietto joining US investigative reporter Fox thirty one Denver.
Didn't the judge do a complete one eighty and about face?
Speaker 2 (17:46):
What was the first view on bond?
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Yet they were simply trying to get the overall amount produced,
and the judge was not going to go for that.
And so ultimately the shock of everybody, I think, and
at least in the state of Colorado, the judge went
down the path of this surety, which is really translations
for baillbombsman covering in this case, ten percent of that
three million dollar bond. The first question, of course to
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Barry's attorney as well, who's responsible for raising this money?
And imagine the two daughters have that much money, And
all the attorney would say is it's his supporters. Well,
who are the supporters. I've been in constant contact with
the folks down in Salida radio station down there, who
has kind of the temperature of the community, and they
could not think of anybody that would fit the bill
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of a very morphew supporter outside of his two daughters
and perhaps of some women in Arizona.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
What do you mean women in Arizona? Is he now
a sugar baby? Is somebody supporting him?
Speaker 3 (18:49):
That the idea has been floated a little bit down
there with the amount of time he was spending in Arizona.
And at this point, that's that's just what some folks
he answer.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Somebody had to put up this money.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Somebody had to put up the money half of it,
and the bail bondsman a dinvers a one bail bonds
agreed to cover the rest.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Somebody had to put up something.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Yeah, the journey, that's all I would he would leave
it with is that Barry Morphy supporters. And again, the
amount of times I've been down there, kishickn vouch for this.
I mean being inside the courtroom, being outside the courtroom.
I don't think again, outside of the two daughters who
were always there every time Barry is let out of jail,
I couldn't remember talking to one person who would say, hey,
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you know, you just don't know Berry like I know Barry.
We support him throughout everything he's going through. So when
you talk about Barry Morphy supporters. I don't know who
that would be.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
But it's not just that the judge did a U
turn in the middle of the road and gave Barry
Morphew bond.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
He has walked free, all smiles, and why shouldn't he
be but listen to these bond restrictions.
Speaker 13 (20:07):
Morphew's bond restrictions begin with a GPS monitor, a ban
on leaving Colorado and surrendering his passport. He is also
under strict house arrest and can only leave his home
for medical emergencies or meetings with his attorneys. He's not
allowed to consume alcohol or controlled substances. There is a
mandatory protection order barring him from contacting witnesses or the
victim's family, except his daughters, one of whom was with
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the bailbondsman to get more few out of jail. He
cannot possess firearms or dangerous weapons, and he must only
use his legal name.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
What an ankle monitor? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Does anybody on this panel know how to beat an
ankle monitor?
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Anybody?
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I bet Tate does Mark Tate? I' vetter a defense attorney.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Let me just say Swans don't swim in a sesspool. Tait,
all right, I'm sure you know how to beat an
ankle monitor.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Can we start with cutting this track? Can we just
start with that that's an obvious or using aluminum foil?
Speaker 2 (21:05):
You ever heard of that?
Speaker 5 (21:08):
Well, I would never counsel a client to try to
counter his bond measures life, but we do have I
wouldn't do that now if it was me that needed
to get away and it was you know, something that
would help produce a better show for you, when we
could talk about me hiding one of my ankle monitors.
But right now I'm not on one, so that's not
really something to worry about. But no, that clearly would
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be a violation of his bond. And you know, I
think that.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Tank, I think Suzanne Watch You is dead.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
I've seen it, and we are dealing obviously with a murder.
It's a bad situation. No one, I think, is alleged
that this was a We're talking about somebody who's blamed
a mountain lion. We've talked about somebody who has shifted around,
is using fake names. Come on, Nancy, he's using fake names.
He's made a mockery of this system and if we
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can figure out a way to show that he, in
fact is the mockery, that increases, I think the chance
of him breaking and being held accountable for what happened
to his wife. You know, he's fled the jurisdiction. By
the way, the trailer park that he that we keep
talking about, was not some squalid trailer park. It's a
very campy glamping park that is a place where people
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book little fund stays. It's not, you know, the squalid
trailer park that perhaps we have seen. This guy is
a mockery of himself, and so it's time I think start.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Calling him right there.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Grandma lived in a trailer So I don't know what
you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I'm not talking about. We're talking about he again. Why
am I hearing that? I'm still hearing him? Can we
go to Scott Iker plays Iker, founding member FBI Cellular
Analysis Survey Team.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Can we talk about ways to be an ankle monitor.
It's not rocket science, it's not brain stars.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Number one cut the strap, yeah, number two, use aluminum foil,
and it creates basically rudimentary Faraday cage.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Explain that's true, and a Faraday bag or Faraday cage
is referred to restricts the radio signal coming from the monitor,
and so it basically shuts it down so none of
the devices can receive that data. So you could leave
the house that you're supposed to be and if you
cover it up or as you said, cut it off
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and leave it at the house, then the authorities don't
know that you've left the house. Those are easy ways
to beat the hank monitor.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
What about using a metal container that completely can block
the signal? Can it not?
Speaker 4 (23:47):
It can anything. That's that's what a Faraday bag is basically,
and it's a like tinfoil. But if you use the
metal container, you can use the same thing. Of course,
you'd have to kind of seal it up of the
radio signals don't get out.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Of it, you know.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
I'm also thinking about how to beat the ankle monitor
at Sadly, we've already given him several ideas.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I still don't get it.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Greg reenietto why the judge did a one eighty before
there was a bond in place and then suddenly he's
allowed to make bond.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
What happened?
Speaker 3 (24:24):
We're all baffled by that. The folks that were listening
into that hearing just assumed that when she the judge
refused the first request in terms of the overall dollar amount,
we just assumed that even though the defense would come
back with a counter offer, if you will, the judge
would again say, you know, no dice. But again, it's
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proving that Barry is almost like a teflon dawn, right.
I mean, every time we think collectively that we've reached
the end of the road in terms of finally getting
to a trial, something new happens. Talk to the folks
in Salida who are there every single day to She'll
tell you the same thing. Other things in the world
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were going on last week when the judge first made
the decision to go with the surety, and then when
Barry's supporters came through with the money to post that bond,
other things in the world and the country were going on,
and the temperature in Solida was you know, oh my gosh,
this came out of left field. How in the world
does this happen again? Coming to almost the end of
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the road legally, if you will, And then once again
it's getting off the highway.
Speaker 11 (25:32):
Host Suzanne, if anyone is out there, I can hear
this that has you Please, we'll do whatever it takes
to bring you back. We love you and you miss you.
Your girls and easy unions, no questions asked, however much
they want, I will do whatever it takes to get
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you back, Honey. I love you and I want your bats.
Speaker 13 (25:58):
In gay Preek, Arizona, a town of less than five
thousand people, a man chows up after the COVID epidemic,
introducing himself as Bruce and ordering a cold beer at
Harold's Cave Pree Corral. Our manager Charlie Lutz says, ladies
approached Bruce and flirt and he would do the same.
Libby sprool is at Harold's when the new man in
town asks her for a dance. Lebby says, you're very
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more few, but the stranger says, no, no, I think
you have the wrong person. Later in the evening, an
individual introduces the new guy as Lee from Indiana.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Lee from Indiana, My rear.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
End to Dave Matt joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter,
who is Lee from Indiana?
Speaker 10 (26:40):
Well, Lee from Indiana is just a made up or
half made up person, because you know, Barry Morphew is
from Indiana originally, and he's been in Colorado. But now
we're out in Arizona and this man from nowhere into
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town and pops up to the bar and gets a
cold beer and asks the lady to dad, I'm Lee Moore,
got a new life.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Okay, hold on just a moment to doctor Bethany Marshall
joining us psychoanalyst out of the Beverly Hills Jurisdiction.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Doctor Bethany, hold On, have you ever noticed when people.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Start an elaborate lie, they very often weed in a
few true facts, I guess so they can keep their
story straight. He is from Indiana, so I mean this
is established. Apparently he's at a bar drinking a cold beer.
Women flock to him.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
I don't get it. I do not get it.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
It's just like you know, women that the woman that
married jord Vanderslout and had his children the guy that
murdered Natalie Holloway and Stephanie Tasciana Flores, right, I think
he's had two babies behind bars.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
I don't get it. Why do women flock to this guy?
Number two? Number one question? So easy to make up
a false identity.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Isn't it weaving well parts of the truth into history?
Speaker 2 (28:10):
And is it Barry Morphew's middle name Lee.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
You know, Nancy. I think there's always this sliver of
truth in every lie, and that's why it becomes believable
to some people. But I have another theory, which is
that when people lie, they build it on a foundation
of some truth because they are also lying to themselves.
In other words, they have to convince themselves that what
they're saying is true so that it becomes believable to
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the people around them. They have to embrace the lie,
live the lie. So if it's tethered to some little
Oh I'm from Indiana, I have size ten shoes, you know,
I have two daughters. Whatever it is about his life,
then he can build a whole narrative around that and
be more convincing to the people around him.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
In other words, line and sinker hook, line and sinker.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Bok.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
How do they do it? I mean, is there some
trick to it?
Speaker 1 (29:07):
When I have lied, I get all hot all over.
I can feel it. I feel like I'm suddenly running
a fever. I've even stammered when trying to tell a lie.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
It never works for me. But some people just rolls
off their tongue.
Speaker 6 (29:23):
If you have no conscience, it's easy to lie, and
they're very charming. They're very manipulative, and I think this
is why the women at the bar flocked to him,
That these types of individuals are initially very outgoing, they're
very talkative. Words just roll off their tongue, and I
think the women really like that. They're like, hey, this
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is an authentic guy. This guy's telling me all about himself.
He's social. Unlike my last boyfriend or my last husband,
who wouldn't go anywhere with me. This guy's out and
about and he loves other people. So they're initially charming
and tilt.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
They're not, you know, Mark Taate. Don't you just hate
it when your client.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Tries to fabricate a big fat lie about his identity
but he uses his own middle name in his birthplace.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
Whoopsie, Yeah, it's a disaster. This guy is just as
an example, I think once more of really the defendant's
own words get himself in trouble, and he's obviously got
a very skilled criminal defense lawyer who's done a good
job for him. He's got him out on bond. He
was successful at apparently baring out some prosecutory of misconduct
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possibly before. But again the words that come out of
his mouth that simply are incongruent with the facts as
we see them, and in somewhat you know, sort of
farcicle when we say that a mountain lion apparently was
carrying a tranquilizer gun. It doesn't make any sense. And
those types of things, in the course of the investigation
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and the prosecution, the presentation of their case in chief,
I think you're going to play a big role. And
so once again when a client comes to me, my
first word to them is, you don't talk. You have
a rite against self incrimination, and you should exercise it,
because you know, we can only work with defending what
you make available to us, and they can work with
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all the words that you use and say to all
the investigators involved, and that all comes out. And it's
those types of circumstantial statements you make and ludicrous things
that you claim that make a jury have zero find
you have zero credibility and put very little confidence, including
making up names. When you move six hundred miles away
to Arizona and you start approaching women with fake names
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at bars, it's disingenuous and nobody on a jury wants
to see that or likes to see it.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
And you know, doctor Bethany Marshall, you see how he
uses tidbits of the truth.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
His middle name is Lee.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
I mean he does not have a very good imagination.
He's very lee more few and he says he's lay
More from Indiana. I guess he would claim that is
the truth.
Speaker 6 (32:06):
You know, Nancy, we see with prisoners on death row
that the longer they're there, the more they cling to
the fact that they were not the perpetrator. I think
that in this case, we see somebody who's pumping himself
up into somebody. He's not using slivers of the truth.
But you know, we're talking about the women who come
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up to him at the bar. I would be more
interested in the women who said, no, I don't want
to dance with you, or no, I don't want to
go on a date with you, or after the second
date were creeped out and decided not to see him again.
How does he react when somebody says no to him?
And how might that be behavioral evidence in terms of
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how he treated his wife. And one more thing, Nancy,
back to the mountain lion. Back to that mountain lion,
The poor mountain lion, when he's telling the story about
the Mountain Lion, there's no concern or empathy towards the
wife who's gone. And that's one of the primary things
we look for in homicide when we do interviews, is
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does the alleged purp have empathy towards the person who's
no longer there? If they start criticizing that person or
acting dispassionate, or in this case with the new identity,
just dating other women, it shows that there's not a
tie to the lost love object, which really goes against
human nature. We want to be with and care about
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the people we love.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Doctor Bethany. Of course, the defense, a veteran defense.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Attorney like Mark Tate will argue that someone's behavior or
their demeanor it means nothing.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
I mean, I think they all.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Stell it from Mark Giragues. There's no playbook for gree
or panic. Okay, fine, tell it to a jury. But
when you look at Bary Moore of you, he's like, hey,
many of Matlin did it.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
You're right, there's no inflection at all.
Speaker 6 (33:56):
And in these cases when somebody doesn't show empathy, the
rare times that we can say there's no playbook for
grief is if the person is dissociated, they're so traumatized
that they're dissociated, so they show no affect. But in
that case, they're not going to make up a big
old lie about a mountain lion. They're not going to
be excited, they're not going to be talking about tracks
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on the road. They're not going to be going to
a bar and flirting with other women. Because people who
are traumatized and dissociated usually just withdraw from society. So
that's the only reason, only only reason ever, Nancy, that
somebody who's lost a loved one shows no affect is
because they are protecting themselves. But that is very rare.
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Unless he has a history of trauma and a dissociative disorder,
he would naturally feel grief. He would be pushing those
people along to find his wife. He wouldn't have clever
words rolling off his tongue in terms of what might
have happened to her.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Tish leeway with us, very your friend of Suzanne Morphew.
I don't get it. What is so charming, so charismatic?
What's the pull a Barry Morphew aka Lee War Was
he that charismatic?
Speaker 10 (35:13):
No?
Speaker 9 (35:14):
I think he's a narcissistic pig if I could say that, but.
Speaker 6 (35:20):
I don't understand.
Speaker 9 (35:22):
I mean, he was dating right after six months she
went missing, So I mean that tells you a lot.
It doesn't surprise me that he's in Arizona trying to.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
Pick up on women.
Speaker 9 (35:34):
He I think he thought he was a man that
can get whatever he wants, and obviously, so far in
this whole thing, he's gotten everything he's asked for.
Speaker 6 (35:44):
That's including bond.
Speaker 13 (35:46):
Six hundred miles from where Suzanne Morphy was murdered in Colorado.
Her now widowed husband, once accused of her murder, is
making a new life for himself. He tells a bar
manager his name is Bruce, and is introduced to a
bar patron, Libby Sproule, as from Indiana, creating distance from
his past life as Barry morphew suspect and his wife's
unsolved murder. The man, who is now known around town
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as Lee Moore, lives at the Stardust Trailer Park and
is self employed.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Susanne Morphew's alleged killer has
walked free. That would be her husband, Barry Morphew, now
using an alias to pick up women at a bar
straight out to special guests joining US doctor Thomas Coyne,
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chief Medical Examiner District to Medical Examber's office in Florida,
forensic pathologist, toxicologist. It goes on, doctor Coin, thank you
for being with us in her.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Bones and I don't know how they did this. I
hope you can explain.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Evidence was found that she was saturated with BAM, b A,
m BE, torphenol, A zaparone, metatomasine.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
What is that?
Speaker 7 (37:15):
So, first of all, I'll just answer real quick. Toxicology
testing in this case was performed on bone tissue because
obviously she was comprised only of skeletal remains. They had
no soft tissue, no blood, no urine, so the only
thing they could test was bone. And bone can actually
be used to identify drugs or compounds, whether it's the
marrow if there's fat, because all of our bones have
(37:38):
fat within the marrow. Sometimes you can test the marrow
or you can actually test the bone itself. The bone.
Mineral drugs will stick to it just based on charge,
and so you can identify drugs from bone, thankfully, especially
in this case. But with regards to what they identified
the BAM BAM's an acronym for a combination of three
drugs BEU torphenol, aziperone, and metatomidine. And those drugs individually
(38:02):
all have powerful sedative properties, and they're used preferentially in
large animal species to tranquilize an animal and then to
of course incapacitate the animal. All three of these drugs
in large animals are fairly safe. In other words, they
work very rapidly within ten to fifteen minutes to bring
an animal down and to make that animal immobile so you,
(38:25):
the human can interact with that animal safely. And then
these drugs are safe enough in large animals that they're
expected to allow that animal to recover and then go
back into its normal habitat. But these drugs are primarily
used in large animals like deer, elk, even black bear,
because they're safe in large animals, they are not safe
in humans. The concentrations of the drugs used in this
(38:47):
tranquilizer that achieve sedation and immobilization in an animal would
be highly toxic in the human. These drugs in combination
cause are cause profound respiratory depression and a decrease in
your heart rate and blood pressure in other words, than
a human. It would stop that human from breathing, and
it could also stop that human's heart, and so that
(39:08):
because of that, these drugs are contraindicated as a combination
in humans. They're only used in veterinary medicine. You would
not find these in the pharmacy for humans or in
a hospital pharmacy's formulary. It's only used for veterinary purposes.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Can I boil it down? Doctor Thomas Coin? With a
quote from animal Farm, four legs good, two legs bad.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Animals can sustain bam, it's deadly for people.
Speaker 7 (39:37):
Correct, Yes, that's absolutely correct.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
And doctor Coin, when you refer to getting the DNA
from her bone marrow, what is.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
In simple regular people taught what is bone marrow.
Speaker 7 (39:49):
So the inside of our long bones has marrow. Marrow
is the part of our body that makes our blood
cells are predominantly our red blood cells, but also has
a lot of fat. Especially in those of us who
are above the age of thirty. Most of our bone
marrow is fat. That's why people actually eat bone marrow.
It's very tasty because of that fat. So that fat
(40:10):
reservoir can contain drugs, especially if you use it to
test for toxicology, but the bone mineral itself. So let's
say a person has been decomposed and their bones have
been outside for a long period of time, all of
that fat tissue inside the bone may be gone, so
all you're left with is the actual bone itself. You
can actually still test that bone because the minerals that
(40:34):
make up our bone drugs will stick to it based
on charge, and so even in archaeological samples that are
greater than one hundred years old, you can sometimes test
and find what a person may have consumed, poisons in
their environment, things of that nature. So it can still
be used for toxicology testing.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Matt to Gray Stafford, zoologist doctor Gray Stafford, tell me
about BAM, how it's used.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Why would anybody even have it? That's not a VET.
Speaker 8 (41:01):
That's a great question, because it is used in wildlife medicine.
As your previous guests I mentioned, it's highly concentrated. The
three drug cocktail is highly regulated. It's dangerous around human beings.
You have to have high concentration, high efficacy of this
drug because of course you're shooting a dart and you
can't have large volumes that you're injecting into an elephant
(41:22):
from a helicopter or from tree stand, it has to
be very potent, So even a small amount can be
very catastrophic for human being.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
You know, according to the indictment linking Morphew to purchases
of BAM, prescription records show that when Suzanne Morphew disappeared,
only one private citizen living in the entire area of
the state had access to BAM. One private citizen that
(41:53):
is not a veterinarian, and that would be very Morphew. Now,
according to the evidence, her body was saturated with BAM.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
To Scott Iiker joining us, founding member.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Of the FBI's elite Cellular Analysis Survey team, you just
heard doctor Gray Stafford, the zoologist, state that BAM enters
the body through a dart. Now, according to SELL data,
we see erratic movements by Mary Morphew's phone just before
(42:35):
Suzanne Morphew disappears.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
Could you explain I can I've seen the photograph that
Dave presented where there's some GPS points that looks like
around the house. I guess Barry claimed that at this
point in time he's moving around the house shooting chipmunks
with darts. One that's that's a very hard thing to do,
(42:58):
those little tiny guys for the dart. But I can
see that that's the GPS points or whatever they might be,
you know, put his phone moving around the house, and
that could be from several different things. It could be
GPS from the phone, it could be estimated locations from
(43:20):
the cellular network which is not GPS, So he could
be just moving around the house in this case, maybe
straightening up or cleaning up to the mess. I don't
believe he's obviously out there shooting chipmunks.
Speaker 13 (43:36):
Very Morphew's cell phone is pinging all around the house
on May night. Investigators believe the activity shows Morphew chasing
Suzanne around the house after shooting her with the tranquilizer gun.
Asked about the unusual activity, more few claims he was
just shooting chipmunks around the property. They're a constant problem.
Another problem for Morphew is his timeline of the night
(43:56):
of May ninth. He claims he went to bed at
eight pm, but computer shows the truck in reverse and
backing up toward the house around nine thirty pm.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Let me remind everyone that Barry Morphew is considered under
the law innocent.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
He is presumed.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
Innocent, and the rest of that sentence is unless and
until the state overcomes that presumption with evidence that proves guilt.
Right now, Barry Morphew is presumed innocent. If you know
or think you know anything about Suzanne Morphew's murder, you
(44:39):
may think it's insignificant. LA law enforcement may think otherwise.
It's not too late to come forward. The tip line
is seven one nine three one two seven five three
zero repeat seven one nine three one two seven five
three zero.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Nancy Gray signing off.
Speaker 5 (45:00):
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