September 8, 2025 • 45 mins
A 21-year-old college student and cheerleader from the University of Kentucky is accused of hiding her newborn inside her college apartment closet.
Laken Snelling is arrested after her infant is found dead in a trash bag inside the closet. An autopsy report only deepens the mystery surrounding the infant's death because the results are found to be inconclusive. Snelling posted baby bump pics before her infant was found dead.
Authorities allege Snelling gave birth in secret, wrapped her baby in a towel, placed him in a trash bag, and left him in her closet.
According to an arrest report, Lexington police were called to a home on Park Avenue for an unresponsive infant on Wednesday. Police said they found a baby's body in a closet, wrapped in a towel inside a black trash bag.
The UK cheerleader is now charged with abuse of a corpse, tampering with evidence, and concealing the birth of an infant. Court records show Snelling was released on bond and must remain on house arrest and live with her parents.
Joining Nancy Grace today,
- Josh Kolsrud - Criminal Defense Attorney and Former Assistant U.S. Attorney, Founder of Kolsrud Law Offices, kolsrudlawoffices.com, Facebook and YouTube @KohlsrudLawOffices
- Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst, Author: "Deal Breaker,” featured in hit show: "Paris in Love" on Peacock, www.drbethanymarshall.com , Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, Twitter: @DrBethanyLive
- Dr. Kendall Crowns - Chief Medical Examiner Tarrant County (Ft Worth), Host of NEW Podcast "Mayhem in the Morgue”, Lecturer: Burnett School of Medicine at TCU (Texas Christian University)
- Chris Byers - Private investigator and owner of Byers Investigative Services, Former Police Chief Johns Creek Georgia, 25 years Police Officer, website: byersinvestigative.com
- Germania Rodriguez - Chief US Reporter, DailyMail.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a beauty queen, cheerleader, once
crowned the fairest of the fair, chilling words after her baby,
her kneeborn is found wrapped in a blanket, then a
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trash bag, dead in her closet in the last hours,
she walks free. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
I want to thank you for being with us. Lincoln
smelling a radiant beauty pageant queen excelling in her final
year of college. But is something dark hiding behind the pageant?
(00:43):
Smile something dark? There's a dead baby in her closet. Now,
if you want to call that dark, that's certainly putting
perfume on the pig. Joining me an all star panel
to make sense of what we are learning.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
And I am stunned.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
If another person, an adult, was found dead, wrapped in
a blanket, body in a trash bag hidden away, the
alleged purp would not be walking free right now with
a bedazzled ankle monitor.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
But that is what has just happened. But let's start
at the beginning. Listen to this good.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Riversity joson County Bear. I am leading inside, leading in
his Nancy University of Kentucky and she's twenty years of age.
Her centerium just selling the worse made It EASi list
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while also being a student adelete duty one adelete on
the stunty at a University of Kentucky one hundred plus
community service hours passed you honored around the Jerffsony County
R's student there and beginning to.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Represent her that is from the Jefferson County Fairest of
the Fair beauty paget that she won. But can we
get to right now and what leads up to the
discovery of a dead infant baby boy in her closet?
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Listen Lincoln Snelling is entering her senior year on the
cheer stunt team at the University of Kentucky. Snelling grew
up in the small town of White Pine, Tennessee, where
she was a Jefferson County High School varsity cheerleader and
crowned Jefferson County's Fairest of the Fair. Snelling is a
self proclaimed real life Barbie with an all pink apartment,
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Barbie jeep, and fabulous clothes and paget gowns to match.
Snelling has an entire Instagram profile dedicated to selling her
old wardrobe. Snelling reveals that she is dating another student
athlete well an impressive basketball career. Snelling brings her bow
home for Easter and over this summer post professional photos
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with him.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Why do I care about the boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
I'm trying to figure out who is the biological father
of this dead infant. And I'm completely intrigued curious about
why so many dead babies are first wrapped in a blanket,
a baby blanket very often, remember top mom Casey Anthony wrapped,
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according to the state, baby Kelly in her favorite blanket
before putting her in a trash bag and throwing into
a trashy, litter ridden swamp area about ten houses down
from the Anthony home. Gee, I wonder who did that?
And I see it over and over and over. The
infant is wrapped in a baby blanket and left to
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die or killed and put in a trash bag. There's
gotten to be some sort of psychopathy to that. But
you know, I'm also very curious. Straight out to doctor
Bethany Marshall, joining US high profile psycho analyst, author of deal.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Breaker on Amazon.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
You can see her now on Peacock and find her
at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany, I'm also intrigued.
What does it mean, if anything, that you are a
self proclaimed real life Barbie. I'm talking about the Barbie doll.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
This woman's life, this young woman's life is wrapped in fantasy,
not reality. The fantasy of having a baby seems a
lot more compelling to her than the reality of a baby.
The fantasy of being Barbie is a lot more compelling
to her than the reality of who she is as
a mother and out in the world.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Okay, doctor Bethany, you got me drinking from the fire
hydrant here. You gave me so much I've got to
parse it. Number one, can we state with Barbie? You
said I was writing as fast as I could. Fantasy
of being Barbie to her was being better, was better
than being Lake and Snellings. Okay, now, wait a minute,
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what was it mean to be Barbie? It's a plastic
doll with fake breasts. Why do you want to be that?
Speaker 5 (05:15):
Because Barbie is beautiful, Barbie is desirable, Barbie is sexually
attractive in the world, and the idea that she would
be that person, it's like she's wrapping herself in an
image an external image rather than really focusing on who
she is. Does she attend to trust?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Does she?
Speaker 6 (05:36):
But?
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Wait?
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Wait?
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Wait?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Where? Can I see that video again of her in
the foe? I guess that's no the foe that that
that was? That's very similar to Barbie out that my
sister had. That's right, Okay, I was trying to dissect
the Barbie dolls, and I dissected all, well, this man,
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all of my sister's Barbie dolls.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
That was a dark day. That said, I remember that outfit.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Barbie had an outfit like that with you know, faux
leverage spots.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Okay, just wanted to point that out. Dr Bethany.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I don't know what your Barbie lore is, but I
distinctly recall an outfit like that with the matching stilettos.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
And this is when I was a little girl.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
The stilettos were in then as well, at least for Barbie. Now,
I'm sorry, back to who wants to be Barbie?
Speaker 5 (06:28):
Who wants to be Barbie as somebody who's more living
in fantasy than reality? Hey, Nancy, that sound you just
played the inside of her apartment was pink. She lived
in a Barbie place. This is a woman who lives
in a fantasy world, not a reality world. Okay, Barbie
is just that it's adult. It's not a real person.
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She does not live her life like a real person.
She's living's like it's like cosplay of being Barbie. I'm wondering,
would she go to a church, does she have friends,
is she kind to people? Does she like children in
real life? Or was the fantasy of being pregnant and
the fantasy of being a mom much more compelling than
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the reality of changing diapers holding a baby. Babies have needs,
you know.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
And I want to clear one thing up, doctor Bethany Marshall.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
You can be anything and have played with barbies as
a little girl.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
My sister had the barbies. She's a brainiac. You know.
I tried to read something she published.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
It was just a bunch of formulas with you know,
like elements, and I'm like, okay, that was great. So
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with playing with barbies
when you're a child.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I mean, it can be fun.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
But this is a grown woman that says she's a
real life Barbie. Okay, you know what, I've gone down
the Barbie trail way too long. Okay, that's not going
to help anybody a trial. I want to get to
the facts and.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
What we know. Take a listen to this.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Ten thirty a Wednesday morning, Lexington PD responds to a
call about an unresponsive infant found in a student department
in one of the tenants closets inside a trash bag
wrapped in towels. The baby was deceased at the time
officers received the report. Snelling returns to her apartment to
find police swarming the unit. Snelling says she cleaned up
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after delivering the baby to conceal that she had given
birth and put all of the cleaning materials in the
trash bag with the baby.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
What I'm saying here to Josh Colsrude. He is a
high profile criminal defense attorney, former felony prosecutor, founder of
Colsrud Law Offices. Josh, Now, this is anecdotal. I don't
have a statistic on this, but I noticed it over
and over and over in the over a decade that
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I prosecuted felonies when the victim is a baby, very
often you see that case pled down like oh, you know,
they were tired of the baby screaming, and they basted
its head on the dresser, or they got tired of
taking care of the baby where they forgot to feed
the baby and it died, And it's often played down
to volunteer involuntary manslaughter. Now, I don't know if you're
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going to admit to that on the air, but it's true.
When the victim is a baby, somehow it's treated as
less important in our justice system.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Well, you know, these cases are tough, Nancy.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
You know, there's a very similar case that happened in
twenty seventeen Skuyler Richard, high profile case in Ohio. It
was a cheerleader and in that case she was charged
with murder with second degree murder and they went to
trial and the prosecution lost. They lost because neo nanticide,
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which is the intentional killing of a baby within twenty
four hours, is extremely difficult to prove because the scientific
tests generally cannot say with a certainty that murder was
the result. And so here we just don't have enough
information yet. The coroner has stated that, you know that
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it's inconclusive. Right now, they are doing additional tests. But
I looked into this and the additional tests are all
going to have innocent explanations Number one, I think that
the prosecutor you go on and.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
On, thinking you were going to come back circle back
to the question, which you did not while you stay
that Brooks Schuyler Richardson was found not guilty. Isn't it
true that she was convicted of abuse of a corpse?
She was not let go, she was actually found guilty.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Isn't that correct? Yes?
Speaker 1 (10:45):
It is okay, you know, I'm sorry I had to
put your feet to the fire on that. But you
were suggesting that she walked away scott free. What you
did say that I find pertinent is that the forensics
couldn't prove murder because very often, as you rightly pointed out,
Josh colesruthe, it's very difficult.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
To get a coed cost of death in a case
like this.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
But isn't Skylar Richardson the one that buried the baby
in the backyard after she tried to burn the baby's body.
Speaker 6 (11:15):
Yes, and she also admitted that the baby was alive.
She told the police that she heard gurgle and that
it was briefly alive. She said this to actually her parents,
who were in the interrogation room when they didn't believe
that the recording was still going on.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Josh, do you even remember the question? I asked you
what you just said? May Skyle look even worse Skyle
Richardson because the baby was alive. She said, it was
gurgling and alive when she gave birth. Now it's up
to a jury to determine how the baby was born
alive and ended up burned and buried in the backyard.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
That said, my question was to.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
You, you know what, I'm gonna go to Chris Myers,
Chris Buyer's private investigator, owner of Buyer's Investigative Services for
my purposes. He is the former police chief of John's
Creek twenty.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Five years in LA law enforcement.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Buyers, isn't it true that you guys work the case
of the dead baby, but when it gets to court, somehow,
when the victim is a baby an infant, it gets
pled down to involuntary or voluntary. You know, I don't
get it in.
Speaker 7 (12:28):
My experience with any of the cases that I've had
like that, they have been pled down. And yeah, I
can't explain it from the law enforcement side, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
How did the baby end up wrapped in a blanket
in her closet. Do you think it wrapped itself up
and went in the closet and died? Joining me now,
Hermonia Rodriguez, Chief US reporter, dailymail dot Com, Hermonia, do
we know if Snellings had roommates? Because I'm trying to
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figure out who would call nine.
Speaker 8 (13:01):
One one, right, That's one of the questions that remains
unanswered in this case. Police have refused to say whether
Snelling had any roommates and who called the police that morning,
so that remains open ended. However, there's a lot of
online speculation that says it was a roommate that called
the police that morning.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Guys, you were seeing shots beauty queen cheerleader Laken Snellings.
We already know that systematically, cases involving victims that are
infants or children, but especially infants, are typically pled down
and treated as less important than adult victims. I don't
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get it, you know, I'm just thinking about who called
nine to one one? How did she keep the baby
a secret? Isn't it true, Harmonia Rodriguez, that she she was,
you know, a fantastic athlete. She was a stunt person
on the college cheerleading team, and you can see that
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she's pregnant during her stunts. Let's take a look at
video of Lake and Snellings. Fright there, you go, that
is a baby right there, the baby, the baby is
in there.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
I'm not a.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Medical doctor, but I can see that much. She was
still performing stunts as a cheerleader while pregnant. What you
know what, doctor, Bethany Marshall denial and I ain't just
a river in Egypt?
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Come on? What what is this? Bethany helped me out, Nancy.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
Not only is she in denial, the whole team is denial.
Is in denial. I mean, who's gonna be pull a
stunt like that when you have a baby in your timmy? Nancy.
What this tells me is she was already disconnecting from
the baby as she was pregnant. A mother who wants
a baby, or who has a wanted baby and her
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tommy is not going to pull a stunt like that,
because the maternal instinct is to protect your child. Nancy,
did you hear what the reporter just said. When she
put that baby in the plastic bag, she threw the
cleaning material on top of it. She threw trash on
her baby. It's so disturbing a.
Speaker 9 (15:27):
Member of the University of Kentucky's stunt team. Laken Snelling
is driven, admired, and hiding a secret that will crack
her dreams.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
And right now she is accused of a major felony
after her dead infant baby boy is found wrapped in
towels and a trash bag in her closet. Straight out
to Harmonia Rodriguez joining us, I'm daily mail, Harmonia. There
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are two lines of inquiry right now as to who
called nine one one, And this is important. Okay, you
may think who cares to call nine one one? They
found a dead baby in the closet, But does the
person that call nine one one have other facts and
evidence that would be probative.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
So these are the two lines of inquiry.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
One report is that roommates became suspicious after Lincoln Snelling
came back to school at the end of the summer.
She didn't look the same as she did when spring
semester ended.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
She looked pregnant.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Then on that Wednesday morning, the pregnancy bump was gone.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
So when she went to class.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
That day, they the roommates decided to go into her
room and take a look. There are also reports that
one of the roommates had a dog that was going
berserk outside Lincoln Snelling's room and outside of her closet,
and because of that, they looked in the closet. Both
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reports indicate one of the roommates called nine to one one.
Do you know anything about either of those two reports, Harmonia.
Speaker 8 (17:09):
Right, I have seen those reports. One is from a
local and the other one really comes from this Facebook
page that is about the case. However, we have gone
to police to ask about the circumstances of who called
nine one one, and they still are not ready to
release that information.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Guys, you're seeing video lake and sneilings and it's kind
of amazing how someone that seemingly has the world at
their fate.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
You know, there's no question.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
She's beautiful, she's vivacious, she's healthy, she's smart, and now
she's charged with a felony. I think a lot will
ride on the cause of death, but right now, that
cood remains undetermined. Joining me right now, renowned medical examiner,
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the chief medical Examiner of Terrant County, that's Fort Worth, Texas,
esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU,
and star of a hit new podcast, Mayhem in the Morgue.
Doctor Kendall Crown's joining us. What does that tell me?
They don't have a CD yet cause of death. Let
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me read between the lines. That tells me there was
no visible cood. Like you can just look at the
baby and say, oh, the baby was bludgeon dead, or
the baby was shot, or the baby was stabbed, or
LIGATUREI strangulation or manual strangulation. Maybe even you might need
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a microscopic exam to determine if there were a particiar
hemorrhage to the eyes. But that tells me that the
cod was none of those things. What's happened happening, doctor
Kendall Crowns.
Speaker 10 (19:01):
So typically with the babies that are found in trash bags,
you first have to determine if they were born alive.
There's certain things that you can look for. One of
them is gestational age. If they're under twenty two weeks,
they probably couldn't have survived being born. If they have
this thing called maceration, which is an overall kind of
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reddish decoloration sloughing of the skin of the baby, you
know they died in utero. And then finally, do they
have any major burst effects, like they have no brain
or something of that nature. Then you go from there
and you have to figure out if they If you
determine that they could have been born alive, then you
have to determine if they actually took a breath. And
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that can be a number of tests that are actually
not all that accurate. There's the float test with the lung,
but that can be disrupted by decomposition.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Crime stores with Nancy Grace. You know, doctor Kendall Crowns.
I appreciate your vast knowledge. I also appreciate all of
your episodes on Mayhem and the Morgue I do.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
I've listened to them. They're amazing.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
But could you please dummy down? Man?
Speaker 2 (20:18):
You said, oh, would let's say, did a floatation test?
What not?
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Everybody works in the morgue. Not everybody knows what you're
talking about. You just rattled off about fifteen medical phrases.
I'm surprised you didn't throw Latin at me. Could you
just start over and speak regular people talk?
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Please, if not.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
For the listener for me, please start over if you
don't mind.
Speaker 10 (20:41):
So, the main thing, like I was talking about, is
they're going to be looking for any signs that the
child was living when it was born. So did it
take a breath. And if it took a breath, the
lungs will fill up with air and they could potentially
float if you put them in water, so you could say, oh,
that they breathe. If the lungs float water. The problem
with the.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Flotation test, doctor Kendall Crowns right there, right there, you
have to explain what that means, because that reminds me
of when we were first told the Idaho for students
that were murdered by Brian Coberger died in their sleep.
So it's like they drifted off to a lullaby and
they woke up in heaven.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
That's not what happened. They fought for their lives. It
was horrible. You're saying the lungs are tested.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
What I believe you mean is this infant is cut open,
its lungs are removed, and they're put in water to
see if they float.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Is that what that means? That's correct.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
You just rattled off the tip of your tongue like
it's nothing. This is a baby, doctor Kendall Crowns, that
now has to be cut open and its lungs removed
from its little body. How big are baby lungs? How
big are they? And then dunked in water? How big
is an infant's lungs?
Speaker 10 (21:54):
Well, it depends on how old the baby is gestationally, if.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
They are newborn.
Speaker 10 (22:00):
If they are a newborn, their lungs are about a
couple inches. Maybe have you.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Done a water test on a baby?
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Yes? I mean what went through your mind when you're
cutting out a baby's lungs that are this big? About
the size of a good cup, a kitchen measuring cup.
I mean, do you look at it in your hands
and think, my stars, what happened?
Speaker 10 (22:21):
So when I'm doing an autopsy and a baby, it's
no different than doing an autopsy and adult. I have
to determine the cause and manner of death. It's just
it is what it is. I have to figure out
what happened to this child or happen to the adults.
And that's the purpose of my employment.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Okay, I understand that you have to have may detached
while you're performing all of this, But you know, when
you just rattle off, I'm not saying you're wrong. I
know for a fact that you're right, But when you
say it so methodically I mean, I got to think
this through, doctor Kendall Crowns. You're saying, one of the
first things you do to determine COEOD, if it's not
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immediately visible with the naked eye, is you do a
float test.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
On the lungs.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
What that means is the baby is sliced open, its lungs,
they're removed, and they're dunked in water.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
What what kind of water? What is that in a pan?
A sink?
Speaker 5 (23:10):
What?
Speaker 10 (23:11):
It's tap water? And it's basically a big cup.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
You know, we are talking on and on and on,
doctor Kendl Crowns, about Blake and Snellings and she's a
real life barbie and she's a stunt person, and she's
a cheerleader, and she's gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
And she's miss Fairest of the Fair.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Nobody is talking about the baby boy that's lying on
a more table getting its chest sliced open, it's lungs
removed and put in water.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Why does it have to be all about her?
Speaker 1 (23:44):
That's why White Cases and Josh Colsrude would not answer
earlier former federal prosecutor. I mean, okay, back to you,
doctor Kendall Crowns. So you do a lung test, and
if they'll lungs float, that means they had air in them.
(24:04):
That means that baby was born alive. Is that where
you're going with that?
Speaker 2 (24:07):
That's correct.
Speaker 10 (24:08):
I mean if they've taken a breath, the lungs will float,
but it could also mean they were given CPR. It
could also mean there's decompositional gas formation. So one of
the other things you'll do with the floatation test is
take the liver. Take a section of the liver and
place it in the water as well to see if
it will float, to show that there is or is
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not decomposition.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Okay, wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait a minute,
I've never heard this before. A float test on the
baby's liver. So now the abdomen is cut out as well. Okay,
why would you do a float test on a liver.
Why would there be air in a liver?
Speaker 10 (24:42):
There would be no air in the liver. So if
the liver doesn't float, you know that there is no decomposition.
But if it does float, then it puts into question
of whether the lungs are floating because of decomposition or
because there's air in them. So then you have to
go to microscopic and aalysis.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Okay, so you compare the float test of the liver
to the float test of the lungs, and if the
liver goes down and the lungs go up, that indicates
the lungs are floating because the baby breathed, not because
of decompositional gases.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Is that right correct?
Speaker 11 (25:18):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Okay, so that's what's happening to the baby.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
What else will be examined to determine the cod of
this baby? Because this all hinges on the coeod. If
the baby was dead when it was born, was still born,
if then there's not going to be a murder prosecution.
As Josh Coles really pointed out, a lot is riding.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
On the cause of death. What else will be done,
doctor Kendall Crowns.
Speaker 10 (25:44):
So what else will be done is microscopic analysis or
looking at sections of the tissue under a microscope looking
for any disease processes. Also, you'll be looking at the
lungs there as well, looking to see if the air
sacks or the alveoli and the lungs have fed up
with air. The other thing you'll be looking at is
the placenta, if it's available, looking at the placenta, looking
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for any evidence of hemorrhage or loss of oxygen, or
infarction or infection of the membranes. You'll be looking at
the umbilical cord to see if it's normally formed, if
it was wrapped around the child's neck, or if it
has inflammation as well. And then you'll also be looking
for any evidence of trauma birth trauma where like the
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shoulder got stuck and they had to pull the child
very hard, fracturing the shoulder or separating the neck. You'll
also be looking for inflicted trauma like crushing of the ribs,
breaking of the extremities or the long bones of the extremities,
or crushing of the skull.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Harmonia Rodriguez, dailymail dot com. Thinking about and analyzing what
doctor Kenil Krause just said regarding was the baby shoulder
broken or prolapsed when it was delivered, other injuries to
the baby during del It's my understanding that she had
the pregnancy bump one day and the next day Wednesday,
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it was gone and she went to class, so obviously
she did not have any injuries. That's right.
Speaker 8 (27:14):
And while we have not been able to confirm that
she told anyone about this pregnancy. As we saw, the
images show that she has a visible bump that she
then did not have after given birth. However, so I
think it's safe to say she was probably not injured,
and the autopsy report did say that the baby did
not have any obvious injuries either.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Good reversity.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Joson County Bear.
Speaker 12 (27:41):
I am lady Shine.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Her in his Nancy University in Kentucky and she's twenty
years of age. Her or critarium is just selling the worst. Also,
being a student athelete, do one Nathalie on the stunteen.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
At a university in.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
One hundred plus community service hours someone past you honored
to be aground the Jersey City's student there and be
unit to represent her.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Now, I want to be very clear at this juncture,
lac And Snellings is not charged with murder.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
We are waiting on.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
A full and complete autopsy report.
Speaker 9 (28:32):
A roommate's dog leads to a horrific discovery inside Lincoln
Snelling's closet. Inside a black trash bag, the remains of
a baby boy, along with the evidence used to hide
the birth.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Lincoln Snelling's caught on video stating how grateful she is
for quote family. I don't know if that includes the
baby boy found wrapped in towels in a trash bag
in her closet, but I want.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
You to see some texts that we've uncovered.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Here is Lincoln Snellings and if you see her goals,
let's see a close up of her goals motherhood.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Well, then that baby is getting fed.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
A bottle by a loving mom with blonde hair like
Lincoln Snellings.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
That is not what happened to this baby.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
And also circled as her goal is a family with
two children, engagement, ring, money, and a house.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
What more have we learned? Being twenty is so weird.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Like I'm an adult, but I still can't really really
do anything. But people my age have kids. Well, I
think she knows the answer to that. I actually start
tweaking at the fact I may only birth boys and
never get a girl.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
That would be a little small miniature me.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
My parents had a whole child at my age and
I don't even know how to drive on to the
tracks of a car wash. Okay, this and watching the
kids play in the yard, she seems like she'd be
a great mom. How I sleep at night knowing I'm
dating the person I'm going to marry.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Marriage is scary.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
What if he doesn't want to put our daughter in
cheer the second she can walk?
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Okay, I need.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
A shrink, and I need a shrink right now, doctor
Bethany Marshall.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
The well, they all are significant.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Okay, Yes, none of this will likely ever come before
a jury because they will be deemed not probative. In
other words, they're incendiary and they don't really prove anything.
Speaker 11 (30:37):
Right.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
But what about the part about I want to have
a mini me? What if I only birth boys, which
this was a baby boy, and I don't have a girl.
I don't have a minime. That means something, doctor Bethany.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
What it tells me that she's preoccupied with having an
idealized life with a little girl who's just like her.
That she's very self centered now. She's wrapped up in
her own little world. These texts are not to another person.
These texts are to herself. She is preoccupied with herself now.
Women who commit and fanticide usually are not attached to
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the baby when they are pregnant. The baby is like
an it, a thing. It does not have a personality. Nancy,
when you were first pregnant, I remember you told me
were on the set of port TV. You were so excited.
You were attached to your babies. It's called maternal preoccupation.
When you're attached. She likely was not attached to the baby.
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She was attached to herself, and she was attached to
the idea of an idealized life. There's the ring, then
there's the baby, Then there's the cash, then there's the house. Oh,
there's the family. So this baby probably was getting in
the way of some scheme or plan that she already had.
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Maybe she was getting ready for a prom baby, she
wanted to wear a wedding dress. Maybe she wanted to
find a really rich guy, or she wanted the perfect wedding,
and this baby was just inconvenient because the little baby
didn't come around at the right time in her whatever
her plan was for her life.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
And doctor Bethany, here's something I don't understand. And I'm not.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Saying pro or con abortion. I'm not arguing about abortion tonight.
That's a whole other can of worms. But if you
don't want the baby, why wait nine months and give
birth and then murder the baby? Why do that as
opposed to terminating the pregnancy in the first three months.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
Nancy, in order to plan for an abortion, you have
to be tethered to reality. Reality is that there is
a baby inside of you. That baby is growing, That
baby will be a person in the real world with
real needs, a need for food, a need for love,
a need for care. I would doubt that she would
even be attached enough to this baby to plan any
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kind of medical procedure. I doubt she even went to
a doctor and got her vitamins or her benataled care
or anything like that. That's one of the more fascinating
parts of this story was did anybody recognize she was pregnant?
Did her own mother recognize, what about the other people
on the cheer team? Or was this sort of a
pipe dream about having a baby at some point in
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her life? But at that point, she didn't imagine herself
to be pregnant. She was just dissociated from the reality
of it all.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
And again, I'm not going down the pro life or
pro abortion rabbit hole, but I want to get back
to the facts.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
Listen to this lacln Snelling leads not guilty to all
three charges levied against her and posted her one hundred
thousand dollars bond. Snelling has been placed on house arrest
at her parents Jefferson City home. She will not be
required to wear an ankle monitor. Next scheduled appearance in
a Fayette County court is September twenty sixth.
Speaker 10 (34:07):
Relations that from our.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Friends at w k YT and you heard the judge
there at the end, Judge John Tackett. Wait a minute, Harmonia,
she not only has walked free, but she doesn't even
have to wear an ankle monitor.
Speaker 8 (34:24):
That's right, Nancy. The judge order her to await trial
at her parents' home in Tennessee and specified that she
would not have to wear an ankle monitor while she
awaits her trial.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Why, Josh Coles, rude, you're the former federal prosecutor. Why
not even wear an ankle monitor? Forget the ankle monitor?
To hay with that?
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Why is she out on bond?
Speaker 11 (34:48):
Well?
Speaker 6 (34:49):
Typically, judges have to look at two different prongs when
evaluating whether or not to give somebody a bond, and
if so, how much. The first is is the person
and a substantial danger to the community? And the second
is are they substantial flight risk? And here you're dealing
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with somebody who doesn't have any in me.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
That she's young and pretty and rich and white.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
What about that?
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Does that factor into that bond decision? Because I think
it does.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Is she wor too pretty for jail? Because that worked
with debril Fay? Is that what happens just too cute?
Speaker 6 (35:32):
Well in this case, respectfully, she has not been accused
of murdering anybody yet. The only charges in this case
so far are abuse a corpse and some lower and
some lesser included charges as well. So until the time
that the state actually accuses her of murdering an infant child,
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she's going to be treated as a low level offender.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 9 (36:10):
Hey, Jim University PD.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Hey, I'm gonna need you to send a deputy over here.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
At one twenty five Lakeside, we got a newborn baby's
bend discarded.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
Okayy too, yep, thanks by miss Gingham University Delta Again.
The Theta Sisters fine a suspicious trash bag just outside
the front door. Tearing it open, they make a gruesome discovery.
Next to an instant macincheese box lies a dead baby girl.
Emily Weaver admits she birth the baby in the downstairs
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bathroom of the Theta house.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Okay. In that case, sorority's sisters.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Find a dead infant and a trash bag right outside
their front door, and they immediately suspect em Emil Weaver.
Speaker 11 (36:56):
Listen, Dell, I just just want to be able to
tell yeah, it was the cause of.
Speaker 10 (37:03):
Death on the child.
Speaker 11 (37:05):
And did you do anything physically too?
Speaker 1 (37:11):
No, it's physically I really obviously didn't do much at all.
Speaker 11 (37:15):
I was more concerned.
Speaker 12 (37:19):
About me.
Speaker 11 (37:21):
I guy was going to intentionally get at I mean,
I would have like not for its head up when
you just want it drop, you know what I mean.
But it was like potentially in her you did did
you try and keep her alive?
Speaker 13 (37:41):
I didn't do anything to.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Put And then you add on Emily Weaver's texts that
she had been arguing with the BF boyfriend for about
a month about the quote situation, and then after just
a few hours after giving birth, says it text no
more baby taken care of. The baby was asphyxiated, suffocated dead.
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Prosecutors argue she intentionally killed the baby by putting the
baby in the trash where it suffocated, and she was
sentenced to life.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
That's what happened there.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
So I'm just thinking through the having the baby and
doing nothing to keep the baby alive, not just that
putting the baby in a trash bag wrapped.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
In a towel as in this case.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Could that have been the cause of asphyxiation in the
case in cheap Now, that case was about Emily Weaver.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
But then there's Alexei Cheviso.
Speaker 13 (38:49):
We had the lady come to clean the bathroom. She
put the baby in the trash can and then she
put another clean liner over the top of it.
Speaker 14 (38:58):
I want they looked.
Speaker 13 (39:00):
When they looked in there, it looked there was no
trash in that, but it's underneath the clean bag. The
baby's dead. Okay, we have them in Troumta too. But
she killed a kid.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
Yeah, how to be?
Speaker 10 (39:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 13 (39:12):
It's full time.
Speaker 12 (39:14):
She just had it.
Speaker 10 (39:15):
She had it in the bathroom, was what happened.
Speaker 13 (39:17):
And then she whatever she did.
Speaker 14 (39:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 13 (39:18):
She's gonna lie. She wouldn't tell us she's pregnant. She's
been lying the whole time.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
So she goes in the bathroom pregnant, and then setting
the baby's gone and it's underneath the clean bag near
the trash can. There's more.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
We discovered a dead baby in the bathroom.
Speaker 14 (39:35):
Oh my gosh, sorry, Magsie, I told you about this,
but I just asked you babies, tell me the truths car.
Speaker 5 (39:49):
Was not.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
And that dude was crying.
Speaker 12 (39:55):
Can do you guys have I'm the charge nursery. Do
you guys have any questions? It's like, what nine months
something was growing you. Let's see, have you watched the
news of the girls.
Speaker 14 (40:11):
And what they do to their babies and when they
go to jail.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Those doctor Anthony Marshall, what's with that mom?
Speaker 5 (40:24):
The mom seems more concerned about her daughter than her
grand baby. It's it's really concerning. And you know, this
is what we call nancy a soft kill. When women
kill their babies, usually it's suffocating them, poisoning them, whereas
with men it sends to be some more of overt
physical violence. So this is just a soft kill. And
the mother never says, oh my god, my grandbaby. Those
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words do not come out of the mother's mouth.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
I don't like anything you just said, soft kilm Those
words don't go together. Imagine how awful it would be
to be murdered my let's just say asphyxiation. Then imagine
if you're a baby. You can't speak, you can't move,
you can't run away, you can't fight back. You have
to just lay there and die with something held down
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over your nose and mouth. And to doctor Kendall Crown's
soft kill my rear end. Could this baby have died
by asphyxiation simply by the baby putting being wrapped in
towels and put in a trash bag? Could that have
asphyxiated suffocated the baby.
Speaker 10 (41:30):
Yes, we see that occasionally with full term inference or
babies that are beyond the twenty three week gestation. The
mother places it in the trash bag and seals the
trash bag, throwing it in the trash There's not enough
oxygen in there for the child to survive, and so
they eventually will suffocate by being in a plastic bag,
just as if you put a plastic bag over your head,
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it would suffocate you.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
And then to Chris Buyer's private investigator at Buyer's Investigative Services,
I want you to hear this case similar and it's
one brought up by.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Josh Cole Road Skyler Richardson. Is your bedroom upstairs or
bathroom upstairs?
Speaker 5 (42:07):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (42:07):
So she had to walk downstairs.
Speaker 12 (42:10):
Are you carrying her?
Speaker 14 (42:13):
Did you go into the garage or do you.
Speaker 10 (42:15):
Have an outdoor shed like where you have a shovel?
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Okay? When what did you find her?
Speaker 3 (42:19):
What did you use?
Speaker 5 (42:22):
Put a little old my god in it?
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Okay?
Speaker 10 (42:25):
Anderson, what did you do?
Speaker 14 (42:27):
Did you have it and you didn't have any help?
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Right?
Speaker 5 (42:30):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (42:30):
What did you do with her while you were digging?
Speaker 12 (42:33):
The hole?
Speaker 5 (42:34):
Turned down?
Speaker 1 (42:35):
And Chris Buyers in that particular case, Skyler Richardson, Dad,
ask tell us what's going on, and she says, I
tried to cremate the baby just a little.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
She tried to burn the baby. Chris, Yeah, that.
Speaker 7 (42:55):
Is absolutely mind blowing. That level of evil. I just
can't even imagine just all.
Speaker 15 (43:00):
Of these cases. We see just the level of selfishness
and self absorbedness in these in these girls, and just
treating these babies just like garbage just absolutely blows my mind.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
Like garbage in every way putting it, putting babies in trash.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Throwing them in dumpsters.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
I want you to hear it from the horse's mouth, Chris.
Here's Skylar Richardson stating that she tried to cremate the
baby just a little.
Speaker 13 (43:28):
Pretty calful for she.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
Said, you have to help your reading to hear that.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
A little.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
I want to be very clear at this juncture, Lincoln
Snellings is not charged with murder. We are waiting on
a full and complete autopsy report. Right now, we've only
got a cod as undetermined. But as we speak, microscopic
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tests are being conducted similar to the ones that you
heard doctor kim l the Crown's discussing. Then we'll find out
if there will be an upgrade to her charges. And remember,
she is innocent tonight, innocent until that presumption of innocence
is pierced by facts presented by the state that prove
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her guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Right now, we remember
an American hero Officer Caitlin written our Texas Department Criminal Justice,
just twenty three, survived by a grieving fiance, Zachariah and
her mother. Tera American hero officer Caitlin written our Nancy Gray,
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signing off goodbye, Fred H.
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a beauty queen, cheerleader, once
crowned the fairest of the fair, chilling words after her baby,
her kneeborn is found wrapped in a blanket, then a
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trash bag, dead in her closet in the last hours,
she walks free. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
I want to thank you for being with us. Lincoln
smelling a radiant beauty pageant queen excelling in her final
year of college. But is something dark hiding behind the pageant?
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Smile something dark? There's a dead baby in her closet. Now,
if you want to call that dark, that's certainly putting
perfume on the pig. Joining me an all star panel
to make sense of what we are learning.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
And I am stunned.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
If another person, an adult, was found dead, wrapped in
a blanket, body in a trash bag hidden away, the
alleged purp would not be walking free right now with
a bedazzled ankle monitor.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
But that is what has just happened. But let's start
at the beginning. Listen to this good.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Riversity joson County Bear. I am leading inside, leading in
his Nancy University of Kentucky and she's twenty years of age.
Her centerium just selling the worse made It EASi list
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while also being a student adelete duty one adelete on
the stunty at a University of Kentucky one hundred plus
community service hours passed you honored around the Jerffsony County
R's student there and beginning to.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Represent her that is from the Jefferson County Fairest of
the Fair beauty paget that she won. But can we
get to right now and what leads up to the
discovery of a dead infant baby boy in her closet?
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Listen Lincoln Snelling is entering her senior year on the
cheer stunt team at the University of Kentucky. Snelling grew
up in the small town of White Pine, Tennessee, where
she was a Jefferson County High School varsity cheerleader and
crowned Jefferson County's Fairest of the Fair. Snelling is a
self proclaimed real life Barbie with an all pink apartment,
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Barbie jeep, and fabulous clothes and paget gowns to match.
Snelling has an entire Instagram profile dedicated to selling her
old wardrobe. Snelling reveals that she is dating another student
athlete well an impressive basketball career. Snelling brings her bow
home for Easter and over this summer post professional photos
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with him.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Why do I care about the boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
I'm trying to figure out who is the biological father
of this dead infant. And I'm completely intrigued curious about
why so many dead babies are first wrapped in a blanket,
a baby blanket very often, remember top mom Casey Anthony wrapped,
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according to the state, baby Kelly in her favorite blanket
before putting her in a trash bag and throwing into
a trashy, litter ridden swamp area about ten houses down
from the Anthony home. Gee, I wonder who did that?
And I see it over and over and over. The
infant is wrapped in a baby blanket and left to
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die or killed and put in a trash bag. There's
gotten to be some sort of psychopathy to that. But
you know, I'm also very curious. Straight out to doctor
Bethany Marshall, joining US high profile psycho analyst, author of deal.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Breaker on Amazon.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
You can see her now on Peacock and find her
at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany, I'm also intrigued.
What does it mean, if anything, that you are a
self proclaimed real life Barbie. I'm talking about the Barbie doll.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
This woman's life, this young woman's life is wrapped in fantasy,
not reality. The fantasy of having a baby seems a
lot more compelling to her than the reality of a baby.
The fantasy of being Barbie is a lot more compelling
to her than the reality of who she is as
a mother and out in the world.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Okay, doctor Bethany, you got me drinking from the fire
hydrant here. You gave me so much I've got to
parse it. Number one, can we state with Barbie? You
said I was writing as fast as I could. Fantasy
of being Barbie to her was being better, was better
than being Lake and Snellings. Okay, now, wait a minute,
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what was it mean to be Barbie? It's a plastic
doll with fake breasts. Why do you want to be that?
Speaker 5 (05:15):
Because Barbie is beautiful, Barbie is desirable, Barbie is sexually
attractive in the world, and the idea that she would
be that person, it's like she's wrapping herself in an
image an external image rather than really focusing on who
she is. Does she attend to trust?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Does she?
Speaker 6 (05:36):
But?
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Wait?
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Wait?
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Wait?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Where? Can I see that video again of her in
the foe? I guess that's no the foe that that
that was? That's very similar to Barbie out that my
sister had. That's right, Okay, I was trying to dissect
the Barbie dolls, and I dissected all, well, this man,
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all of my sister's Barbie dolls.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
That was a dark day. That said, I remember that outfit.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Barbie had an outfit like that with you know, faux
leverage spots.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Okay, just wanted to point that out. Dr Bethany.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I don't know what your Barbie lore is, but I
distinctly recall an outfit like that with the matching stilettos.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
And this is when I was a little girl.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
The stilettos were in then as well, at least for Barbie. Now,
I'm sorry, back to who wants to be Barbie?
Speaker 5 (06:28):
Who wants to be Barbie as somebody who's more living
in fantasy than reality? Hey, Nancy, that sound you just
played the inside of her apartment was pink. She lived
in a Barbie place. This is a woman who lives
in a fantasy world, not a reality world. Okay, Barbie
is just that it's adult. It's not a real person.
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She does not live her life like a real person.
She's living's like it's like cosplay of being Barbie. I'm wondering,
would she go to a church, does she have friends,
is she kind to people? Does she like children in
real life? Or was the fantasy of being pregnant and
the fantasy of being a mom much more compelling than
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the reality of changing diapers holding a baby. Babies have needs,
you know.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
And I want to clear one thing up, doctor Bethany Marshall.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
You can be anything and have played with barbies as
a little girl.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
My sister had the barbies. She's a brainiac. You know.
I tried to read something she published.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
It was just a bunch of formulas with you know,
like elements, and I'm like, okay, that was great. So
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with playing with barbies
when you're a child.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I mean, it can be fun.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
But this is a grown woman that says she's a
real life Barbie. Okay, you know what, I've gone down
the Barbie trail way too long. Okay, that's not going
to help anybody a trial. I want to get to
the facts and.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
What we know. Take a listen to this.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Ten thirty a Wednesday morning, Lexington PD responds to a
call about an unresponsive infant found in a student department
in one of the tenants closets inside a trash bag
wrapped in towels. The baby was deceased at the time
officers received the report. Snelling returns to her apartment to
find police swarming the unit. Snelling says she cleaned up
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after delivering the baby to conceal that she had given
birth and put all of the cleaning materials in the
trash bag with the baby.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
What I'm saying here to Josh Colsrude. He is a
high profile criminal defense attorney, former felony prosecutor, founder of
Colsrud Law Offices. Josh, Now, this is anecdotal. I don't
have a statistic on this, but I noticed it over
and over and over in the over a decade that
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I prosecuted felonies when the victim is a baby, very
often you see that case pled down like oh, you know,
they were tired of the baby screaming, and they basted
its head on the dresser, or they got tired of
taking care of the baby where they forgot to feed
the baby and it died, And it's often played down
to volunteer involuntary manslaughter. Now, I don't know if you're
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going to admit to that on the air, but it's true.
When the victim is a baby, somehow it's treated as
less important in our justice system.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Well, you know, these cases are tough, Nancy.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
You know, there's a very similar case that happened in
twenty seventeen Skuyler Richard, high profile case in Ohio. It
was a cheerleader and in that case she was charged
with murder with second degree murder and they went to
trial and the prosecution lost. They lost because neo nanticide,
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which is the intentional killing of a baby within twenty
four hours, is extremely difficult to prove because the scientific
tests generally cannot say with a certainty that murder was
the result. And so here we just don't have enough
information yet. The coroner has stated that, you know that
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it's inconclusive. Right now, they are doing additional tests. But
I looked into this and the additional tests are all
going to have innocent explanations Number one, I think that
the prosecutor you go on and.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
On, thinking you were going to come back circle back
to the question, which you did not while you stay
that Brooks Schuyler Richardson was found not guilty. Isn't it
true that she was convicted of abuse of a corpse?
She was not let go, she was actually found guilty.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Isn't that correct? Yes?
Speaker 1 (10:45):
It is okay, you know, I'm sorry I had to
put your feet to the fire on that. But you
were suggesting that she walked away scott free. What you
did say that I find pertinent is that the forensics
couldn't prove murder because very often, as you rightly pointed out,
Josh colesruthe, it's very difficult.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
To get a coed cost of death in a case
like this.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
But isn't Skylar Richardson the one that buried the baby
in the backyard after she tried to burn the baby's body.
Speaker 6 (11:15):
Yes, and she also admitted that the baby was alive.
She told the police that she heard gurgle and that
it was briefly alive. She said this to actually her parents,
who were in the interrogation room when they didn't believe
that the recording was still going on.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Josh, do you even remember the question? I asked you
what you just said? May Skyle look even worse Skyle
Richardson because the baby was alive. She said, it was
gurgling and alive when she gave birth. Now it's up
to a jury to determine how the baby was born
alive and ended up burned and buried in the backyard.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
That said, my question was to.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
You, you know what, I'm gonna go to Chris Myers,
Chris Buyer's private investigator, owner of Buyer's Investigative Services for
my purposes. He is the former police chief of John's
Creek twenty.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Five years in LA law enforcement.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Buyers, isn't it true that you guys work the case
of the dead baby, but when it gets to court, somehow,
when the victim is a baby an infant, it gets
pled down to involuntary or voluntary. You know, I don't
get it in.
Speaker 7 (12:28):
My experience with any of the cases that I've had
like that, they have been pled down. And yeah, I
can't explain it from the law enforcement side, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
How did the baby end up wrapped in a blanket
in her closet. Do you think it wrapped itself up
and went in the closet and died? Joining me now,
Hermonia Rodriguez, Chief US reporter, dailymail dot Com, Hermonia, do
we know if Snellings had roommates? Because I'm trying to
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figure out who would call nine.
Speaker 8 (13:01):
One one, right, That's one of the questions that remains
unanswered in this case. Police have refused to say whether
Snelling had any roommates and who called the police that morning,
so that remains open ended. However, there's a lot of
online speculation that says it was a roommate that called
the police that morning.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Guys, you were seeing shots beauty queen cheerleader Laken Snellings.
We already know that systematically, cases involving victims that are
infants or children, but especially infants, are typically pled down
and treated as less important than adult victims. I don't
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get it, you know, I'm just thinking about who called
nine to one one? How did she keep the baby
a secret? Isn't it true, Harmonia Rodriguez, that she she was,
you know, a fantastic athlete. She was a stunt person
on the college cheerleading team, and you can see that
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she's pregnant during her stunts. Let's take a look at
video of Lake and Snellings. Fright there, you go, that
is a baby right there, the baby, the baby is
in there.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
I'm not a.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Medical doctor, but I can see that much. She was
still performing stunts as a cheerleader while pregnant. What you
know what, doctor, Bethany Marshall denial and I ain't just
a river in Egypt?
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Come on? What what is this? Bethany helped me out, Nancy.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
Not only is she in denial, the whole team is denial.
Is in denial. I mean, who's gonna be pull a
stunt like that when you have a baby in your timmy? Nancy.
What this tells me is she was already disconnecting from
the baby as she was pregnant. A mother who wants
a baby, or who has a wanted baby and her
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tommy is not going to pull a stunt like that,
because the maternal instinct is to protect your child. Nancy,
did you hear what the reporter just said. When she
put that baby in the plastic bag, she threw the
cleaning material on top of it. She threw trash on
her baby. It's so disturbing a.
Speaker 9 (15:27):
Member of the University of Kentucky's stunt team. Laken Snelling
is driven, admired, and hiding a secret that will crack
her dreams.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
And right now she is accused of a major felony
after her dead infant baby boy is found wrapped in
towels and a trash bag in her closet. Straight out
to Harmonia Rodriguez joining us, I'm daily mail, Harmonia. There
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are two lines of inquiry right now as to who
called nine one one, And this is important. Okay, you
may think who cares to call nine one one? They
found a dead baby in the closet, But does the
person that call nine one one have other facts and
evidence that would be probative.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
So these are the two lines of inquiry.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
One report is that roommates became suspicious after Lincoln Snelling
came back to school at the end of the summer.
She didn't look the same as she did when spring
semester ended.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
She looked pregnant.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Then on that Wednesday morning, the pregnancy bump was gone.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
So when she went to class.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
That day, they the roommates decided to go into her
room and take a look. There are also reports that
one of the roommates had a dog that was going
berserk outside Lincoln Snelling's room and outside of her closet,
and because of that, they looked in the closet. Both
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reports indicate one of the roommates called nine to one one.
Do you know anything about either of those two reports, Harmonia.
Speaker 8 (17:09):
Right, I have seen those reports. One is from a
local and the other one really comes from this Facebook
page that is about the case. However, we have gone
to police to ask about the circumstances of who called
nine one one, and they still are not ready to
release that information.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Guys, you're seeing video lake and sneilings and it's kind
of amazing how someone that seemingly has the world at
their fate.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
You know, there's no question.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
She's beautiful, she's vivacious, she's healthy, she's smart, and now
she's charged with a felony. I think a lot will
ride on the cause of death, but right now, that
cood remains undetermined. Joining me right now, renowned medical examiner,
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the chief medical Examiner of Terrant County, that's Fort Worth, Texas,
esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU,
and star of a hit new podcast, Mayhem in the Morgue.
Doctor Kendall Crown's joining us. What does that tell me?
They don't have a CD yet cause of death. Let
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me read between the lines. That tells me there was
no visible cood. Like you can just look at the
baby and say, oh, the baby was bludgeon dead, or
the baby was shot, or the baby was stabbed, or
LIGATUREI strangulation or manual strangulation. Maybe even you might need
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a microscopic exam to determine if there were a particiar
hemorrhage to the eyes. But that tells me that the
cod was none of those things. What's happened happening, doctor
Kendall Crowns.
Speaker 10 (19:01):
So typically with the babies that are found in trash bags,
you first have to determine if they were born alive.
There's certain things that you can look for. One of
them is gestational age. If they're under twenty two weeks,
they probably couldn't have survived being born. If they have
this thing called maceration, which is an overall kind of
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reddish decoloration sloughing of the skin of the baby, you
know they died in utero. And then finally, do they
have any major burst effects, like they have no brain
or something of that nature. Then you go from there
and you have to figure out if they If you
determine that they could have been born alive, then you
have to determine if they actually took a breath. And
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that can be a number of tests that are actually
not all that accurate. There's the float test with the lung,
but that can be disrupted by decomposition.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Crime stores with Nancy Grace. You know, doctor Kendall Crowns.
I appreciate your vast knowledge. I also appreciate all of
your episodes on Mayhem and the Morgue I do.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
I've listened to them. They're amazing.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
But could you please dummy down? Man?
Speaker 2 (20:18):
You said, oh, would let's say, did a floatation test?
What not?
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Everybody works in the morgue. Not everybody knows what you're
talking about. You just rattled off about fifteen medical phrases.
I'm surprised you didn't throw Latin at me. Could you
just start over and speak regular people talk?
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Please, if not.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
For the listener for me, please start over if you
don't mind.
Speaker 10 (20:41):
So, the main thing, like I was talking about, is
they're going to be looking for any signs that the
child was living when it was born. So did it
take a breath. And if it took a breath, the
lungs will fill up with air and they could potentially
float if you put them in water, so you could say, oh,
that they breathe. If the lungs float water. The problem
with the.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Flotation test, doctor Kendall Crowns right there, right there, you
have to explain what that means, because that reminds me
of when we were first told the Idaho for students
that were murdered by Brian Coberger died in their sleep.
So it's like they drifted off to a lullaby and
they woke up in heaven.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
That's not what happened. They fought for their lives. It
was horrible. You're saying the lungs are tested.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
What I believe you mean is this infant is cut open,
its lungs are removed, and they're put in water to
see if they float.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Is that what that means? That's correct.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
You just rattled off the tip of your tongue like
it's nothing. This is a baby, doctor Kendall Crowns, that
now has to be cut open and its lungs removed
from its little body. How big are baby lungs? How
big are they? And then dunked in water? How big
is an infant's lungs?
Speaker 10 (21:54):
Well, it depends on how old the baby is gestationally, if.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
They are newborn.
Speaker 10 (22:00):
If they are a newborn, their lungs are about a
couple inches. Maybe have you.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Done a water test on a baby?
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Yes? I mean what went through your mind when you're
cutting out a baby's lungs that are this big? About
the size of a good cup, a kitchen measuring cup.
I mean, do you look at it in your hands
and think, my stars, what happened?
Speaker 10 (22:21):
So when I'm doing an autopsy and a baby, it's
no different than doing an autopsy and adult. I have
to determine the cause and manner of death. It's just
it is what it is. I have to figure out
what happened to this child or happen to the adults.
And that's the purpose of my employment.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Okay, I understand that you have to have may detached
while you're performing all of this, But you know, when
you just rattle off, I'm not saying you're wrong. I
know for a fact that you're right, But when you
say it so methodically I mean, I got to think
this through, doctor Kendall Crowns. You're saying, one of the
first things you do to determine COEOD, if it's not
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immediately visible with the naked eye, is you do a
float test.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
On the lungs.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
What that means is the baby is sliced open, its lungs,
they're removed, and they're dunked in water.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
What what kind of water? What is that in a pan?
A sink?
Speaker 5 (23:10):
What?
Speaker 10 (23:11):
It's tap water? And it's basically a big cup.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
You know, we are talking on and on and on,
doctor Kendl Crowns, about Blake and Snellings and she's a
real life barbie and she's a stunt person, and she's
a cheerleader, and she's gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
And she's miss Fairest of the Fair.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Nobody is talking about the baby boy that's lying on
a more table getting its chest sliced open, it's lungs
removed and put in water.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Why does it have to be all about her?
Speaker 1 (23:44):
That's why White Cases and Josh Colsrude would not answer
earlier former federal prosecutor. I mean, okay, back to you,
doctor Kendall Crowns. So you do a lung test, and
if they'll lungs float, that means they had air in them.
(24:04):
That means that baby was born alive. Is that where
you're going with that?
Speaker 2 (24:07):
That's correct.
Speaker 10 (24:08):
I mean if they've taken a breath, the lungs will float,
but it could also mean they were given CPR. It
could also mean there's decompositional gas formation. So one of
the other things you'll do with the floatation test is
take the liver. Take a section of the liver and
place it in the water as well to see if
it will float, to show that there is or is
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not decomposition.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Okay, wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait a minute,
I've never heard this before. A float test on the
baby's liver. So now the abdomen is cut out as well. Okay,
why would you do a float test on a liver.
Why would there be air in a liver?
Speaker 10 (24:42):
There would be no air in the liver. So if
the liver doesn't float, you know that there is no decomposition.
But if it does float, then it puts into question
of whether the lungs are floating because of decomposition or
because there's air in them. So then you have to
go to microscopic and aalysis.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Okay, so you compare the float test of the liver
to the float test of the lungs, and if the
liver goes down and the lungs go up, that indicates
the lungs are floating because the baby breathed, not because
of decompositional gases.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Is that right correct?
Speaker 11 (25:18):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Okay, so that's what's happening to the baby.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
What else will be examined to determine the cod of
this baby? Because this all hinges on the coeod. If
the baby was dead when it was born, was still born,
if then there's not going to be a murder prosecution.
As Josh Coles really pointed out, a lot is riding.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
On the cause of death. What else will be done,
doctor Kendall Crowns.
Speaker 10 (25:44):
So what else will be done is microscopic analysis or
looking at sections of the tissue under a microscope looking
for any disease processes. Also, you'll be looking at the
lungs there as well, looking to see if the air
sacks or the alveoli and the lungs have fed up
with air. The other thing you'll be looking at is
the placenta, if it's available, looking at the placenta, looking
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for any evidence of hemorrhage or loss of oxygen, or
infarction or infection of the membranes. You'll be looking at
the umbilical cord to see if it's normally formed, if
it was wrapped around the child's neck, or if it
has inflammation as well. And then you'll also be looking
for any evidence of trauma birth trauma where like the
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shoulder got stuck and they had to pull the child
very hard, fracturing the shoulder or separating the neck. You'll
also be looking for inflicted trauma like crushing of the ribs,
breaking of the extremities or the long bones of the extremities,
or crushing of the skull.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Harmonia Rodriguez, dailymail dot com. Thinking about and analyzing what
doctor Kenil Krause just said regarding was the baby shoulder
broken or prolapsed when it was delivered, other injuries to
the baby during del It's my understanding that she had
the pregnancy bump one day and the next day Wednesday,
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it was gone and she went to class, so obviously
she did not have any injuries. That's right.
Speaker 8 (27:14):
And while we have not been able to confirm that
she told anyone about this pregnancy. As we saw, the
images show that she has a visible bump that she
then did not have after given birth. However, so I
think it's safe to say she was probably not injured,
and the autopsy report did say that the baby did
not have any obvious injuries either.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Good reversity.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Joson County Bear.
Speaker 12 (27:41):
I am lady Shine.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Her in his Nancy University in Kentucky and she's twenty
years of age. Her or critarium is just selling the worst. Also,
being a student athelete, do one Nathalie on the stunteen.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
At a university in.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
One hundred plus community service hours someone past you honored
to be aground the Jersey City's student there and be
unit to represent her.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Now, I want to be very clear at this juncture,
lac And Snellings is not charged with murder.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
We are waiting on.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
A full and complete autopsy report.
Speaker 9 (28:32):
A roommate's dog leads to a horrific discovery inside Lincoln
Snelling's closet. Inside a black trash bag, the remains of
a baby boy, along with the evidence used to hide
the birth.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Lincoln Snelling's caught on video stating how grateful she is
for quote family. I don't know if that includes the
baby boy found wrapped in towels in a trash bag
in her closet, but I want.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
You to see some texts that we've uncovered.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Here is Lincoln Snellings and if you see her goals,
let's see a close up of her goals motherhood.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Well, then that baby is getting fed.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
A bottle by a loving mom with blonde hair like
Lincoln Snellings.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
That is not what happened to this baby.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
And also circled as her goal is a family with
two children, engagement, ring, money, and a house.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
What more have we learned? Being twenty is so weird.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Like I'm an adult, but I still can't really really
do anything. But people my age have kids. Well, I
think she knows the answer to that. I actually start
tweaking at the fact I may only birth boys and
never get a girl.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
That would be a little small miniature me.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
My parents had a whole child at my age and
I don't even know how to drive on to the
tracks of a car wash. Okay, this and watching the
kids play in the yard, she seems like she'd be
a great mom. How I sleep at night knowing I'm
dating the person I'm going to marry.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Marriage is scary.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
What if he doesn't want to put our daughter in
cheer the second she can walk?
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Okay, I need.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
A shrink, and I need a shrink right now, doctor
Bethany Marshall.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
The well, they all are significant.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Okay, Yes, none of this will likely ever come before
a jury because they will be deemed not probative. In
other words, they're incendiary and they don't really prove anything.
Speaker 11 (30:37):
Right.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
But what about the part about I want to have
a mini me? What if I only birth boys, which
this was a baby boy, and I don't have a girl.
I don't have a minime. That means something, doctor Bethany.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
What it tells me that she's preoccupied with having an
idealized life with a little girl who's just like her.
That she's very self centered now. She's wrapped up in
her own little world. These texts are not to another person.
These texts are to herself. She is preoccupied with herself now.
Women who commit and fanticide usually are not attached to
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the baby when they are pregnant. The baby is like
an it, a thing. It does not have a personality. Nancy,
when you were first pregnant, I remember you told me
were on the set of port TV. You were so excited.
You were attached to your babies. It's called maternal preoccupation.
When you're attached. She likely was not attached to the baby.
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She was attached to herself, and she was attached to
the idea of an idealized life. There's the ring, then
there's the baby, Then there's the cash, then there's the house. Oh,
there's the family. So this baby probably was getting in
the way of some scheme or plan that she already had.
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Maybe she was getting ready for a prom baby, she
wanted to wear a wedding dress. Maybe she wanted to
find a really rich guy, or she wanted the perfect wedding,
and this baby was just inconvenient because the little baby
didn't come around at the right time in her whatever
her plan was for her life.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
And doctor Bethany, here's something I don't understand. And I'm not.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Saying pro or con abortion. I'm not arguing about abortion tonight.
That's a whole other can of worms. But if you
don't want the baby, why wait nine months and give
birth and then murder the baby? Why do that as
opposed to terminating the pregnancy in the first three months.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
Nancy, in order to plan for an abortion, you have
to be tethered to reality. Reality is that there is
a baby inside of you. That baby is growing, That
baby will be a person in the real world with
real needs, a need for food, a need for love,
a need for care. I would doubt that she would
even be attached enough to this baby to plan any
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kind of medical procedure. I doubt she even went to
a doctor and got her vitamins or her benataled care
or anything like that. That's one of the more fascinating
parts of this story was did anybody recognize she was pregnant?
Did her own mother recognize, what about the other people
on the cheer team? Or was this sort of a
pipe dream about having a baby at some point in
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her life? But at that point, she didn't imagine herself
to be pregnant. She was just dissociated from the reality
of it all.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
And again, I'm not going down the pro life or
pro abortion rabbit hole, but I want to get back
to the facts.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
Listen to this lacln Snelling leads not guilty to all
three charges levied against her and posted her one hundred
thousand dollars bond. Snelling has been placed on house arrest
at her parents Jefferson City home. She will not be
required to wear an ankle monitor. Next scheduled appearance in
a Fayette County court is September twenty sixth.
Speaker 10 (34:07):
Relations that from our.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Friends at w k YT and you heard the judge
there at the end, Judge John Tackett. Wait a minute, Harmonia,
she not only has walked free, but she doesn't even
have to wear an ankle monitor.
Speaker 8 (34:24):
That's right, Nancy. The judge order her to await trial
at her parents' home in Tennessee and specified that she
would not have to wear an ankle monitor while she
awaits her trial.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Why, Josh Coles, rude, you're the former federal prosecutor. Why
not even wear an ankle monitor? Forget the ankle monitor?
To hay with that?
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Why is she out on bond?
Speaker 11 (34:48):
Well?
Speaker 6 (34:49):
Typically, judges have to look at two different prongs when
evaluating whether or not to give somebody a bond, and
if so, how much. The first is is the person
and a substantial danger to the community? And the second
is are they substantial flight risk? And here you're dealing
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with somebody who doesn't have any in me.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
That she's young and pretty and rich and white.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
What about that?
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Does that factor into that bond decision? Because I think
it does.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Is she wor too pretty for jail? Because that worked
with debril Fay? Is that what happens just too cute?
Speaker 6 (35:32):
Well in this case, respectfully, she has not been accused
of murdering anybody yet. The only charges in this case
so far are abuse a corpse and some lower and
some lesser included charges as well. So until the time
that the state actually accuses her of murdering an infant child,
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she's going to be treated as a low level offender.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 9 (36:10):
Hey, Jim University PD.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Hey, I'm gonna need you to send a deputy over here.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
At one twenty five Lakeside, we got a newborn baby's
bend discarded.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
Okayy too, yep, thanks by miss Gingham University Delta Again.
The Theta Sisters fine a suspicious trash bag just outside
the front door. Tearing it open, they make a gruesome discovery.
Next to an instant macincheese box lies a dead baby girl.
Emily Weaver admits she birth the baby in the downstairs
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bathroom of the Theta house.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Okay. In that case, sorority's sisters.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Find a dead infant and a trash bag right outside
their front door, and they immediately suspect em Emil Weaver.
Speaker 11 (36:56):
Listen, Dell, I just just want to be able to
tell yeah, it was the cause of.
Speaker 10 (37:03):
Death on the child.
Speaker 11 (37:05):
And did you do anything physically too?
Speaker 1 (37:11):
No, it's physically I really obviously didn't do much at all.
Speaker 11 (37:15):
I was more concerned.
Speaker 12 (37:19):
About me.
Speaker 11 (37:21):
I guy was going to intentionally get at I mean,
I would have like not for its head up when
you just want it drop, you know what I mean.
But it was like potentially in her you did did
you try and keep her alive?
Speaker 13 (37:41):
I didn't do anything to.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Put And then you add on Emily Weaver's texts that
she had been arguing with the BF boyfriend for about
a month about the quote situation, and then after just
a few hours after giving birth, says it text no
more baby taken care of. The baby was asphyxiated, suffocated dead.
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Prosecutors argue she intentionally killed the baby by putting the
baby in the trash where it suffocated, and she was
sentenced to life.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
That's what happened there.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
So I'm just thinking through the having the baby and
doing nothing to keep the baby alive, not just that
putting the baby in a trash bag wrapped.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
In a towel as in this case.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Could that have been the cause of asphyxiation in the
case in cheap Now, that case was about Emily Weaver.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
But then there's Alexei Cheviso.
Speaker 13 (38:49):
We had the lady come to clean the bathroom. She
put the baby in the trash can and then she
put another clean liner over the top of it.
Speaker 14 (38:58):
I want they looked.
Speaker 13 (39:00):
When they looked in there, it looked there was no
trash in that, but it's underneath the clean bag. The
baby's dead. Okay, we have them in Troumta too. But
she killed a kid.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
Yeah, how to be?
Speaker 10 (39:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 13 (39:12):
It's full time.
Speaker 12 (39:14):
She just had it.
Speaker 10 (39:15):
She had it in the bathroom, was what happened.
Speaker 13 (39:17):
And then she whatever she did.
Speaker 14 (39:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 13 (39:18):
She's gonna lie. She wouldn't tell us she's pregnant. She's
been lying the whole time.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
So she goes in the bathroom pregnant, and then setting
the baby's gone and it's underneath the clean bag near
the trash can. There's more.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
We discovered a dead baby in the bathroom.
Speaker 14 (39:35):
Oh my gosh, sorry, Magsie, I told you about this,
but I just asked you babies, tell me the truths car.
Speaker 5 (39:49):
Was not.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
And that dude was crying.
Speaker 12 (39:55):
Can do you guys have I'm the charge nursery. Do
you guys have any questions? It's like, what nine months
something was growing you. Let's see, have you watched the
news of the girls.
Speaker 14 (40:11):
And what they do to their babies and when they
go to jail.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Those doctor Anthony Marshall, what's with that mom?
Speaker 5 (40:24):
The mom seems more concerned about her daughter than her
grand baby. It's it's really concerning. And you know, this
is what we call nancy a soft kill. When women
kill their babies, usually it's suffocating them, poisoning them, whereas
with men it sends to be some more of overt
physical violence. So this is just a soft kill. And
the mother never says, oh my god, my grandbaby. Those
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words do not come out of the mother's mouth.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
I don't like anything you just said, soft kilm Those
words don't go together. Imagine how awful it would be
to be murdered my let's just say asphyxiation. Then imagine
if you're a baby. You can't speak, you can't move,
you can't run away, you can't fight back. You have
to just lay there and die with something held down
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over your nose and mouth. And to doctor Kendall Crown's
soft kill my rear end. Could this baby have died
by asphyxiation simply by the baby putting being wrapped in
towels and put in a trash bag? Could that have
asphyxiated suffocated the baby.
Speaker 10 (41:30):
Yes, we see that occasionally with full term inference or
babies that are beyond the twenty three week gestation. The
mother places it in the trash bag and seals the
trash bag, throwing it in the trash There's not enough
oxygen in there for the child to survive, and so
they eventually will suffocate by being in a plastic bag,
just as if you put a plastic bag over your head,
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it would suffocate you.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
And then to Chris Buyer's private investigator at Buyer's Investigative Services,
I want you to hear this case similar and it's
one brought up by.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Josh Cole Road Skyler Richardson. Is your bedroom upstairs or
bathroom upstairs?
Speaker 5 (42:07):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (42:07):
So she had to walk downstairs.
Speaker 12 (42:10):
Are you carrying her?
Speaker 14 (42:13):
Did you go into the garage or do you.
Speaker 10 (42:15):
Have an outdoor shed like where you have a shovel?
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Okay? When what did you find her?
Speaker 3 (42:19):
What did you use?
Speaker 5 (42:22):
Put a little old my god in it?
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Okay?
Speaker 10 (42:25):
Anderson, what did you do?
Speaker 14 (42:27):
Did you have it and you didn't have any help?
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Right?
Speaker 5 (42:30):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (42:30):
What did you do with her while you were digging?
Speaker 12 (42:33):
The hole?
Speaker 5 (42:34):
Turned down?
Speaker 1 (42:35):
And Chris Buyers in that particular case, Skyler Richardson, Dad,
ask tell us what's going on, and she says, I
tried to cremate the baby just a little.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
She tried to burn the baby. Chris, Yeah, that.
Speaker 7 (42:55):
Is absolutely mind blowing. That level of evil. I just
can't even imagine just all.
Speaker 15 (43:00):
Of these cases. We see just the level of selfishness
and self absorbedness in these in these girls, and just
treating these babies just like garbage just absolutely blows my mind.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
Like garbage in every way putting it, putting babies in trash.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Throwing them in dumpsters.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
I want you to hear it from the horse's mouth, Chris.
Here's Skylar Richardson stating that she tried to cremate the
baby just a little.
Speaker 13 (43:28):
Pretty calful for she.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
Said, you have to help your reading to hear that.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
A little.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
I want to be very clear at this juncture, Lincoln
Snellings is not charged with murder. We are waiting on
a full and complete autopsy report. Right now, we've only
got a cod as undetermined. But as we speak, microscopic
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tests are being conducted similar to the ones that you
heard doctor kim l the Crown's discussing. Then we'll find out
if there will be an upgrade to her charges. And remember,
she is innocent tonight, innocent until that presumption of innocence
is pierced by facts presented by the state that prove
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her guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Right now, we remember
an American hero Officer Caitlin written our Texas Department Criminal Justice,
just twenty three, survived by a grieving fiance, Zachariah and
her mother. Tera American hero officer Caitlin written our Nancy Gray,
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signing off goodbye, Fred H.
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