March 21, 2025 • 41 mins
Emily Pike, 14, sneaks away from the group home where she lives. When she does not return, Mesa police are contacted, and she is reported missing.
Her mother is not informed until she has been missing for a week. Police say the group home is responsible for notifying her case manager, who would then contact Pike’s family or tribe. Authorities post her picture on social media, print flyers, and alert the media, stating that Emily Pike is missing and may have run away.
Nearly a month after Pike disappears, the Gila County Sheriff’s Office reports that searchers found the remains of an unidentified female in a wooded area near U.S. 60, about 20 miles northeast of Globe, Arizona. The remains are difficult to identify but appear to belong to a missing Native American girl. Within 24 hours, authorities confirm the remains are those of 14-year-old Emily Pike.
The Gila County Sheriff’s Office reports that detectives found the head and torso in large contractor trash bags, while the legs were in separate bags. Investigators search the area but do not find the arms and hands. This information, meant for law enforcement only, reaches friends and family without warning.
A preliminary autopsy report notes visible trauma to Pike’s face and head. Authorities do not find clothing, jewelry, or identification with the remains. The cause of death remains undetermined. Investigators believe someone killed Pike elsewhere before dumping her dismembered remains. Her arms and hands remain missing.
The sheriff’s office says investigators recovered surveillance footage from Mesa, where Emily was last seen alive, but have not found footage from the rural area where her remains were discovered. Officials urge anyone with information to come forward.
The San Carlos Apache Tribe is offering a $75,000 reward for information leading to Pike’s killer.
Joining Nancy Grace today
- Allred Pike Jr. - Emily's Uncle
- Mary Kim Titla - Executive Director of UNITY (United National Indian Tribal Youth Inc.), Native American Youth advocate for over 30 years, Former TV News Broadcaster and First Native American TV Journalist in Arizona; Instagram @marykimtitla, X @MKTitla
- Chris McDonough - Director at the Cold Case Foundation, Former Homicide Detective [trained the first All Native American Homicide Task Force] & Host of YouTube channel, "The Interview Room"
- Dr. Thomas Coyne - Chief Medical Examiner, District 2 Medical Examiner's Office, State of Florida; Forensic Pathologist, Neuropathologist, Toxicologist; X: @DrTMCoyne
- Lynn Shaw - Founder and Executive Director of Lynn's Warriors, Host of Lynn's Warriors on YouTube; X: @lynns_warriors YouTube: @LynnsWarriors
- Susan Hendricks - Journalist and Author of “Down the Hill: My Descent into the Double Murder in Delphi;" IG @susan_hendricks, X @SusanHendicks
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
A body found dismembered off US sixty idd as a
missing girl, Emily just fourteen years old. Yes, her dismembered body,
A fourteen year old little girl thrown off the side
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of the highway like she's trash.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
being with us.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
A teen girl last scene walking near an Arizona group home,
found dismembered over one hundred miles away.
Speaker 5 (00:42):
Who murdered fourteen year old Emily Pike?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
What happened to Emily?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I know when you see a headline dismembered, you stick
on that, but there's so much more. Why did Emily
go missing? How did Emily go missing? There's so much
to this story. Of course, I want to know who
murdered Emily Pike, just fourteen years old. Do you remember
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what you were doing or what your daughter or son
was doing at age fourteen? Imagine what these parents are
going through. Emily Pike found dismembered and thrown on the
side of the road US sixty. Listen to see thee
so much, Jane, I really hope.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
I'm trying to see.
Speaker 6 (01:32):
If you can come into meet Thanks to recover any
kind of weapon. A cause of death is still under
investigation by the Emmy's office. We're investigating those leads. None
of those as of yet have pointed us to a
definite suspect or person of interest. We believe that she
was killed somewhere else and then that is where she
was dropped off.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
None of our friends at CBS five Arizona Family TV.
That's a lot just right there in those few seconds
to analyze, and the practice of criminal law, every detail matters.
First of all, you saw Emily, little Emily Pike, just
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fourteen years old. How did this girl go missing? Why
did she go missing? And why is she dismembered on
the side of the road. Also, we know we haven't
recovered a weapon. Cause of death still under investigation by
the Medical Examiner's office.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Also we learn.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
That it's believed Emily was murdered elsewhere, So this would
be at the very least a secondary crime scene, in
my opinion, a tertiary or third crime scene. How was
she dropped off in a vehicle? Is the roadside surveillance?
Are there license grabbers? Was it your toll road? Was
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it out in the middle of no where? Where there
are no surveillance cameras of any type, even at a
red light. We have had cases, for instance, let me
just bring up here's an easy one. Alex Murdogg, the
trial lawyer out of South Carolina, convicted in the murder
of wife Maggie and son Paul, double murder. Well, he
also staged his own murder attempt on himself and there
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was no surveillance.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Well, lo and behold. After we covered it and pointed out.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
That there was a Baptist church a few miles down
from the incident at an intersection, guess what there was surveillance?
So has that been harvested? Where were the remains found?
Were they in a bag? What kind of bag? That
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could be very probative, in other words, prove something. Let
me refer to the top Mom Casey Anthony case and
the murder of her girl, a chilly her body found
double bagged in bags taken from the Anthony home about
ten houses down from the Anthony home in a swampy area.
(04:10):
Those bags revealed a treasure trove of evidence. How do
I know that this lee is doing the right thing?
First of all, straight out to Susan Hendricks joining me
investigative reporter, journalist, author of Down the Hill, My descend
into the double murder in Delphi. Susan, I'm very curious.
(04:34):
Could you just tell me, give me an idea, not
just off US sixty, that could be anywhere where were
Emily's remains found.
Speaker 7 (04:43):
Nancy, good to see you.
Speaker 8 (04:44):
One hundred miles from where she was last seen, and
he mentioned what type of bag.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
It's a contractor a.
Speaker 8 (04:50):
Garbage bag, dismembered as you mentioned, just horrific details. Highway
sixty near Globe, Arizona. Again one hundred mile from where.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
She was the last seem showing a shot of the bag. Okay,
there you see it.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Susan.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Hendrix rightfully described it as a contractor's bag.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
There you see it.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
It looks plastic, not necessarily the plastic trash bag we're
all familiar with, but some combination, including including some sort
of synthetic fiber. Why is that important? It's extremely important, whole, Susan.
Chris McDonough joining me, Director Cold Case Foundation, former homicide detective,
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over three hundred homicide investigations under his belt. He's the
star of his own YouTube channel, The Interview Room where
I found him and you can find him, at Coldcasefoundation
dot org. Chris McDonough, very very important that bag regarding
who murdered a fourteen year old little girl?
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Why am I not hearing about her? In the head?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Why aren't people screaming from the at the top of
their lawns about Emily Pipe murdered and dismembered age fourteen?
I got some theories on why we haven't heard about
Emily Pipe. Back to the synthetic nature of this bag,
why is that so important?
Speaker 9 (06:18):
Well, that bag can be a huge piece of evidence
in relationship to solving this crime, because, number one, it
tells you that the person who selected that bag was
either in the contracting end or construction industry of some sort.
Because it's a larger type of contractor's bag. You can
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take that bag, put it into what they call a
super glue chamber, and that super glue chamber essentially will
bring up the ridges and the swirls of any potential fingerprints.
Speaker 7 (06:53):
On that bag.
Speaker 9 (06:54):
So this is a huge piece of evidence to your point, Nancy.
But the fact that she is found in that bag
also drives it home that she was looked at as
a piece of trash, you know, looked at.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Like a piece of trash. I have a little girl
and a little boy. They just turned seventeen. This girl.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Murdered and dismembered, thrown on the side of US sixty,
like she's trash.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Why who forget about? Why?
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Why does it matter to me? Who did this to Emily?
To Susan Hendricks joining me, investigative reporter and author, Susan
also very very important, and I'm going to go in
just one moment to Emily's very beloved uncle joining us. Susan,
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I want to under stands something off US sixty. What
would the weather be there?
Speaker 8 (08:06):
Well, of course being in Arizona and thinking about you
know I used to live there. Go into Arizona State
and middle of nowhere, middle of nowhere, desert of course,
even this time of year, and you know, my heart
does go out to her uncle.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Chris mcdona. What Susan Hendricks just said very important. That's
a critical piece of this because fingerprints are very simply
oil secreted by the human body. That's what fingerprints are
made of. So when you touch something, which I love,
trash bag is a perfect conduit for fingerprints. You can
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get a perfect fingerprint. The weather conditions out in the
desert are not going to affect that.
Speaker 9 (08:47):
Yeah, absolutely, Nancy. And that's why the process is called supergluing,
and it's literally super glue in a like a fish tank,
and then you put the bag in that fish tank
and the chemicals react to each other in terms of
from the skin and the oils on that skin and
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the super glue. And what ends up happening is you
have this you know, this picture appear in front of
you and it is you know, magic for lack of
a better term, but you can get a very good
fingerprint when you go through that process, and you're right,
the weather will not bother that at all.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Joining me is Linn Shaw, founder and executive director of
Linn's Warriors, a nonprofit dedicated to stopping human trafficking, specifically
among girls and women, and the exploitation of young girls.
It's hard for me to imagine what Emily lived through
before she was murdered and dismembered. And I want to
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point out, Lynn Shaw, that this little girl, fourteen years old,
we still haven't.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Found her arms or hands.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
I wonder why could it be the killer's attempt to
evade her being identified by not having her fingerprints available?
I don't know, and I don't care. But what this
child had went through before she was.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
Murdered, well, let me tell you, Nancy, the hands were
most likely cut off, so exactly as you said, it
can't be traced back anything about her. But I have
too many questions. This is the way my mind works.
Now we've got some body parts in a bag. How
come her mother wasn't told about this for one month?
What is going on here?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Me Now, very special guest, this is a very beloved
uncle of Emily's. All Red Pike Junior is joining us.
All right, thank you for being with us. What was
your reaction when you discovered that Emily, fourteen year old
Emily had not only been murdered, but dismembered, her body
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thrown on the side of US sixty.
Speaker 10 (11:26):
Just hearing you describe it again, it's like we reliving it.
That this stuff, that stuff. Uh hearing what happened to her?
And oh, she was just tossed to the side of
the road. I'm sorry, but it's hard. It's hard to
hear exactly what happened to her. And I just can't
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imagine what her mom and her dad are going through
as an extended family. It hurts, it hurts to hear
exactly what happened to.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Her, Mister Pike. I would like to apologize for being
so candid and harsh with the facts, but I have
faced many a jury and I learned at the very
beginning this is not a time to sugarcoat or airbrush
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the truth. This is the time for the truth to
be told. There have been many, many times and a
break and a trial. I would go away from the
jury or anybody else to another floor in the courthouse,
go into the ladies room, go.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
To the furthest stall and cry or be sick.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
From what I had to do and say in the
courtroom and prove to a jury, I'm really sorry you.
Seeing you cry makes me want to cry because I
think of my girl, my little Lucy, at fourteen, just
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fourteen years old. What are police telling the family? What
are they saying happen? They don't even have a cod
cause of death yet they don't know where she was killed.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Do they know when she was killed? Nothing? Nothing, mister Pike.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Do you believe that Emily's case has been lost in
the sauce because she is an American Indian?
Speaker 11 (13:50):
You said it, and it's hard for me to see
it because I wish it wasn't like that. But the
news coverage isn't really there. It's just local news and
the first national news person to cover this case and
it said if it was someone else, maybe that'll been
all over the news.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
To say that miss so much and I really hope.
Speaker 7 (14:12):
I'm trying to see if you can come.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Into meet next thing from our friends a Z Family TV.
How did she go missing? Where did she go missing?
Who took her? What did this fourteen year old girl
endure before she was murdered and dismembered? Why did the
killer take her arm? Arms, and hands? They haven't been found.
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We have an idea how she went missing?
Speaker 12 (14:40):
Lesson Emily Pike moves to a group home in Mesa
to be close to health related resources. She needs. A
creative teen. Emily loves to draw paint and she's taking
guitar lessons, where her former roommate says she meets a
boy who is also learning to play guitar. Emily wants
to see the boy she likes from her guitar class
and talk to him, but she has an allowed to
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leave the group home on her own On January twenty seventh,
a church group comes to the home and, according to
her ex roommate, Emily sneaks out the back door. When
Emily doesn't return to the home, Mason Police are contacted
by the group home and she's reported missing.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Much has been made of the fact that this little girl,
just fourteen, snuck out to see a boy that she
met through guitar lessons. But let me remind everyone she
is the innocent here. For instance, has anyone forgotten Jocelyn Nungary,
just twelve years old, She snuck out.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
To use her cell phone.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
There's a video of her at a local seven eleven,
and it is there she meets her perpetrators, the men
that killed her. According to police, let's see a shot
of them, Jose Martinez, Franklin Pina them. They are charged
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with kidnapping, assaulting, and murdering this little girl, leaving her
body under a bridge. And then of course there's Nicole Lovell.
She was just thirteen years old, had already survived so
much in her short life, already surviving a liver transplant
and so much more. Children at school making fun of
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her because she had a scar on her throat from
a surgery. The valedictorian engineering student David Eisenhower is the
one that lured her out of her home and then
his friend Nalie Keepers helped destroy her body and leave
it on the side of the road like Jocen Nungary
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was left under a bridge. One survivor, Atlisia Koskevitch thirteen,
when she was lured out just thirteen, kidnapped, repeatedly, assault
and the night she was set to be murdered, she
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was saved her purp a perv Scott Tyree. So I
don't know that a little fourteen year old girl who
sneaks out to meet her little friend boy that she
plays has guitar lessons with it is really grounds for attack.
(17:27):
But I guarantee you someone will attack her. Lin shaw
I was asking all Red Pike Junior, if this case
had been ignored, Emily's a murder unsolved because Emily is Indigenous,
What do you think.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
We need to talk about the American crisis, which is
women and girls in the indigenous community. They are totally ignored.
Thank goodness, we are talking about it here today. How
come no other media outlet has covered this story of
this beautiful little fourteen year old.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
I want to talk about some stats. We have to.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
We have to until recently, tribal nations have their own
kind of law enforcement. Thank goodness, they are now working
alongside the FBI and local law enforcement. We know that
women and girls account for about two point two percent
of all women and girls in the United States, and
of that they are about one little over one percent
of the population. Can you imagine if we took the
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entire population of the United States approximately I don't know,
three hundred and forty million and one percent, that'd be
over thirty four million or thereabouts of murdered and missing,
you know people. So why don't we talk about the
indigenous community. We have a lot going on here. They
also suffer one in ten cases, are higher than other
ethnicities of missing and murdered. Why aren't we covering this?
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Jumping off what Lynn Shaw from Lyn's Warriors just says
straight out to Mary Kim Titla a special guest in
joining us. Mary Kim, executive director of Unity, which is
United Indian Tribal Youth, Inc. Not only that first Native
American TV journalist in Arizona joining us, Why has Emily's
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case been ignored?
Speaker 7 (19:16):
Mary Kim that's a good question, and as an Indigenous woman,
I feel invisible. I think that we need to ask
law enforcement. I think we need to ask people who
are investigating these cases why there hasn't been more priority.
We have seen in our history that we are less
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of a priority. It's an injustice and it's outrageous. I
do have some statistics. Four and five Indigenous women have
experienced violence in their lifetime, and the national average for
the murder rate of women living on Indian reservations is
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ten times the national average. There's not a good number,
but we have a fairly good idea based on some
numbers back from twenty sixteen, that there are five thousand,
seven hundred missing American, Indian and Alaska Native women and girls.
So of course we're missing a few years and that
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number is now much higher. And I can personally relate
to this because my own cousin was missing and murdered,
my niece was missing and murdered. So this is an
injustice and I do feel invisible, and it's a natural
crisis and we want it addressed.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
You know what, Mary Kim Tayler, I want to adjust something.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
You just said that you feel invisible out of all
the cases, and they're well over ten.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Thousand of them, believe it or not.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
One of the things I have found in crime victims,
whether they were child I'm altested, whether they were rape,
whether they were agassaulted, whether they were.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Set on fire.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
It just it's the feeling of helplessness that sticks with
them forever, forever, that feeling that there's nothing.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
You can do, there's nothing you can.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Say to fix it, and nobody is hearing you. I
sometimes feel married Kim Titla that you and Lynnshaw and
Emily's family, mister all Red Piped Junior with us tonight
and you're just screaming.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Out in the car on Third Avenue. Nobody's hearing. I mean,
Mary Kim, this.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Little girl, all Red Pike Junior, your niece was likely raped.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Brutally murdered. We don't even have a cod honor.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Because her body was dismembered, dismembered, her arms and hands removed, so.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
We couldn't get an ID.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
But we did put in a bag and thrown off
the highway. I mean, for me, the world should stop
until this is solved.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
All read.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
But I agree with Mary Kim and Lynn Shaw. It's
like nobody's hearing a scream.
Speaker 11 (22:21):
Marry Kim is correct. If they did pay more attention
to my niece's case, I think we would have been
somewheres at this point, Like you've been hitting on, there's
cameras in the Phoenix area, and they could have at
least tried to track down those camera footage to see
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if any cameras pickure up walking or talking to anybody in.
Speaker 7 (22:49):
The Phoenix area. My niece.
Speaker 11 (22:51):
You know, it's Native American and sad to say, we
felt like she wasn't being prioritized to kind of make
Let me say that there was finally a task force
put together this week. That's about three weeks after her
body was found or identifying. So why did it take
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so long for a task force.
Speaker 7 (23:15):
To be formed?
Speaker 11 (23:15):
It should have been done as soon as her body
was found. It's just this case has not given has
not been covered as much as it should be. Only
local news has covered it, and I'm appreciative that you're
covering it, and hopefully more people cover it from here
on out.
Speaker 12 (23:33):
MASA police report Emily Pike as missing to the National
Crime Information Center the evening of January twenty seventh. The
same day, police got word of her disappearance. Her mother
is not even informed of Emily leaving the group home
until her fourteen year old daughter has been missing for
a full week. Police say it is up to the
group home to contact her case manager, who would then
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have contacted Pike's family or tribe.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Just so you know, Emily for medical reasons to be
to medical treatment, was in a home, a state home,
and a week passed before they even contacted the mother.
I mean, do I have that wrong with me? Investigative
reporter and author Susan Hendrix, she catapulted to stardom in
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her coverage of the Delphie murders of Abby and Libby.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Susan, is that right?
Speaker 2 (24:22):
They didn't bother to pick up the phone and tell
her mother that she's missing for a week?
Speaker 8 (24:28):
Absolutely in the head of the group home speaking to
a look or reporter saying look, we're hands off type
of a home meaning I don't really know what that meant,
as if to say, like she walked off, then we
didn't follow her, but exactly the mom was not notified
for a week, and think about how much time was
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lost there. It makes me wonder with the authorities notified
and to see how her body was found. There was
trauma to her face, severe trauma. You look at it,
you see that smile. It's horrifying.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I don't understand this. Is there some glitch so I
don't understand. All read Pike Junior. This is Emily's uncle
joining us. Why was the family informed for a solid
week that Emily was missing?
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Is she that disposable?
Speaker 11 (25:13):
Those are answers that I don't have. And it just
goes to back to what you're saying. She wasn't prioritized
and that week we could have reached out, had people
out there looking for her. Social media, maybe the news
send people out there to look for her.
Speaker 10 (25:32):
And that week is a long time, A lot could
have a lot.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
My stars, all Read, You're so right.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I mean, when you're looking for a missing child, an
hour an hour.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Delay is bad enough. Just think if she's in a vehicle.
She was found like one hundred miles away.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Everybody correct me if I've got any facts wrong, because
they matter.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Think of it. Sixty mph an hour.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
She was sixty miles away and a week passes before
the family is even told. It's not the first time
a child goes missing from a so called home The
case of Serenity Dinnard haunts me to this day.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
It was ten forty five am on a Sunday morning.
Serenity is in the gym at the Black Hills Children's Home.
Serenity then ran out of the building at eleven am.
At twelve twenty six pm, a nine to one one
call goes out to the Pennington County Sheriff's Department.
Speaker 13 (26:29):
There was an eighty minute delay before nine to one
one was called, and that's just inexplicable. I think it
was a matter of you know, it was Super Bowl Sunday.
People there were well, let's let's look for her. She
had run off in the past, let's find her on
our own first. But an hour and twenty minutes really
is you know, that raises a big question mark about
the judgment of those employees.
Speaker 14 (26:50):
We got our dog teams out searching for Serenity. We
got a large crew up in the woods. We got
launched on time this morning, and we're just going to
work for as long as we can today and again,
our plan and our number one goal is to bring
Serenity home today and hopefully we can do that.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Join me right now in a special guest Chief Medical
Examiner District two of the Emmy's office in Florida, forensic
pathologists and neuropathologists and toxicologists. Doctor Thomas Coin, Dodger Coin,
thank you for being with us. I'm sure that you've
dealt with dismemberment cases in the past. Why is it
if you could explain in simple terms why we cannot
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get a cod cause of death on Emily Sure.
Speaker 15 (27:38):
Sure for several reasons. Perhaps one because obviously this body
was found dismembered within bags, probably out in the environment
for weeks, and so there was probably a considerable amount
of decomposition. NI could blur our ability to see the
injuries as would have existed at the time of death. Also,
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there may very well be injuries present, but not fatal injuries.
In other words, there's wounds I believe described of the
face by themselves. They may simply not be fatal injuries
or severe enough for them to say here is the
cause of death. Alternatively, there may also be toxicology reports
that are pending. I know a lot of times in
these cases we want to have an answer right away,
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but medical examiner's offices may very well pend the cause
of death for other investigations. To come forward, therefore they
can get the answer correct in the end. I know
myself in these cases. I'm always in direct communication with
law enforcement and family. I'm letting them know what I'm
thinking of, what I think the cause of death is,
but we want to make sure in the end we
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get it correct.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Doctor Thomas Coin, joining as Chief Medical Examiner District to
Medical Examiner's Office, State of Florida.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
They're rare. They're rare.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
You don't often see dismemberments, but it makes the cood
sometimes nearly impossible to find. And I think that dis
memoriaments are rare because the mind of a killer that
would then go on to dismember the victim is very,
very unusual. It's very uncommon, would you agree with that,
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doctor Coin.
Speaker 15 (29:14):
Yes, very uncommon. We don't see that often. And it's
also it's harder than you you would think to actually
dismember about it, unless you know how to readily just
articulate various joints, that can be very difficult as well.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
To Chris mcdonnald, joining US a veteran homicide detective and
now at Cold Case Foundation and Star the Interview Room
on YouTube, Chris very rare very rare that you get
a dismemberment typically to hide evidence, but I really think
it goes into the mind of the killer.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
It's not just to hide evidence.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
That's why we see so many shallow grave cases where
the person is buried in a shallow grave. But to
go through a dismemberment ordeal is very difficult to do
and very rare.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
So what I'm getting.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
At is the mind of Emily Pie just fourteen year old,
the mind of someone that would dismember a fourteen.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Year old girl.
Speaker 9 (30:10):
Yeah, Nancy, I mean we're talking about an apex predator here,
meaning this individual or individuals, depending on what the investigation reveals,
they have thought about this for quite some time. This
is a thought fantasy that projects itself onto the victim
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after typically a sexual assault. So this individual or individuals
is at the highest threat level to the community. And
unfortunately Emily, you know, like Mary Kay had marykm excuse
me had said earlier, Emily was invisible to this suspect
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or suspects, and thus the result that we're seeing here
is she was throwing away way again like a piece
of trash.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Glynn Shaw and joining me and founder director Lynn's Warriors,
a nonprofit committed to ending trafficking and abuse on young
girls and women.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
He's right.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
The dismemberment aspect of what was done to Emily.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Compounds the fact that she was like nothing, She meant
nothing to the killer.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
I mean absolutely, we are seeing this in our marginalized
communities across the United States that they are kind of
amping everything up. This is so horrible, monsters dismembering bodies
and doing all of that.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
But I want to go back on something. We have
to really get out.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
Thank goodness, we're talking about this today, Nancy. We're putting
it out there. We have to continually, as hard as
it is, and for the Pike family, all these horrible
things we're talking about. We have to put this out
in the public. We have to put the visuals out.
We have to keep talking about it. We have to
follow up because that is what will matter. We'll leverage
the internet for good and just put it all over
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the internet.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
But you know what, You're absolutely correct. You're absolutely correct.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Mary Kim Tittlaw joining US executive director of Unity United
National Indian Tribal Youth, Inc. Mary Kim, I don't enjoy
talking about the dismemberment of a fourteen year old girl.
But my point is she has remained invisible and even
in death, when many bodies. I'll just give you an
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example of cult mom Lori Valo, who is responsible for
the death of her son and daughter. You should have
seen the way the son was basically mummified, He was
hermetically sealed, he was treated with great care, the way
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that his body was disposed. That doesn't negate the fact
that he was murdered along with his sister Tyler. But
here the way Emily is treated, even in death. It's
shocking to my system that a little fourteen year old
girl will be treated this way and people aren't screaming
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from the rooftops. This child was dismembered even in death.
She was brutalized.
Speaker 7 (33:28):
It's shocking and heartbreaking, and it makes me very angry.
It makes a lot of people very angry and upset.
Indigenous women have long been the targets of hatred and violence.
They say the underlying factors are there of poverty and homelessness,
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but you also have to look at the historical factors
of racism, sexism, and the legacy of imperialism and colonization.
So this is not the first time it's happened. Unfortunately,
as I've mentioned, my relatives have gone missing and murdered,
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and I recently learned that an extended relative has been
missing since last summer. So it is heartbreaking, heart wrenching,
and our people are not standing by any longer. They're
taking action upon themselves. They're holding vigils, they're marching, they're
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at the state capitol, they're at the offices of our
congressional representatives. We're speaking out because something must be done.
We don't want to see this happen again.
Speaker 12 (34:44):
When the group home manager who filed the report, Emily's
roommate tells as family that based on where her remains
were found just off US sixty heading northeast, she thinks
Emily was just trying to go home. The roommate believes
Emily was trying to hitchhike back to see your parents
and she got picked up by the wrong person.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Susan Henry is joining me an incredible investigative reporter and author. Susan,
is that the working theory? And how much do you
believe that the high rates of unsolved murders and missings,
amongst our American Indians, the indigenous has to do with
the fact that they do not they don't have any
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help from local law enforcement or.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
From the FADS.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
The Feds do not govern US tribal territories. They have
no jeriousness there. It's up to the tribal police to
solve all these cases. And it's not happening.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Absolutely.
Speaker 5 (35:40):
And we heard from Emily's.
Speaker 8 (35:42):
Uncle just say, look, a task force is finally formed,
so they'll be working together. How about this, Nancy Young,
the indigenous community, young and old are not included in
amberlanch in Arizona. So lawmakers are working to fight this.
There's a bill right now to to eight one. It's
past the House waiting on Senate. So, yes, they are
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in this.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Oh my stars, they're not part of the Amber alert system.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Is that what you just said?
Speaker 5 (36:08):
No, not in Arizona.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Oh, we're learning more. Listen to what Emily's mom says.
The mother of Emily Pike tells a local TV station
that authorities told her they have three suspects in the
disappearance and murder of her daughter, but that's not what
they're saying in public. According to the Healy County Sheriff's office.
No suspects or persons of interest have been identified in
her case at this point. The cause and manner of
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death are still pending, according to the Penal County Medical
Examiner's Office, which investigates deaths in Healy County.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Oh my, pie Junior, is that true?
Speaker 2 (36:39):
We're just hearing there's a suggestion that there are three
pois persons of interest.
Speaker 11 (36:44):
That was at the beginning of the after her body
was found. But just recently we found out that the
investigator said they didn't have anybody, no suspects or anything,
no lead.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
What investigator is this?
Speaker 1 (36:59):
What?
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Ellie, are you talking to HeLa County, HeLa County, Susan Hendricks.
Aren't the FBI involved?
Speaker 8 (37:04):
Now, absolutely, FBI is involved and they're part of that
task force. But in doing research on this, learning about
who Emily was, also learning about all the law enforcement agencies,
they're not saying much and it seems like the communication
obviously there's a lot there.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
You know, I'm very interested, Mary kim Tittler joining us.
Another little girl, a teen girl, Veronica Cruz, is missing
from the same home.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
I haven't heard about her either.
Speaker 7 (37:31):
It's very sad and I am very troubled by that news.
It's an alarming statistic when you look at the ages
of missing and murdered Indigenous women and girls. We're talking
about young girls and so many of them are missing.
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Why aren't we hearing more about this? I'm just as
outraged as everyone else. It makes me sad, it makes
me mad. Murder is the third leading cause of death
of Indigenous women. There are people who don't know this there.
It's so important to educate everyone and to create awareness.
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That's why you're seeing these marches, That's why you're seeing
people speaking out. You're seeing murals. This beautiful mural that
was created on the reservation right by a major highway
so people who drive by can see Emily's photo and
see that we care. We care deeply about what's happening
in our communities and we don't want this to happen
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over and over again. But it is happening. Why are
are girls going missing? Why aren't we doing more about it?
It's at all levels of government, and there's layers and
layers of underlying factors that we start to peel away,
and so we do have to address those layers of
poverty and homelessness. But we have to work on this together.
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So we are asking for everyone's help to meet with people,
to meet with the indigenous communities to figure out how
we can address this better so we don't see another
girl go missing.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
To Lynn Shaw, my longtime friend and colleague who I
first met as we investigated the case of another little
girl missing from a home, Serenity Dinnard, Lynn, everything that you,
Mary Kim, mister Pie, Chris McDonough, doctor Coin, susan Hanjakobs said,
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it's all true.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
But let me ask you what are we going to do.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
We're going to do several things. It starts with right
here today we are talking about it. We are raising
the awareness. That is the biggest thing we can do
with the public. Get everybody on board and give them
some resources and visuals to share, whether it's in real time,
whether it's on their social media platforms. Number two, we have.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
To go back.
Speaker 5 (39:57):
You know what I'm not hearing in any of this discussion.
Did little Emily have a digital footprint? Did she have
a phone? Did she have a laptop? We're not hearing
anything about that. How was she going out to meet
supposedly her boy, this boy she knew from guitar classes.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Or something like that.
Speaker 5 (40:13):
I'm hearing nothing about a digital footprint. And number three
the biggest thing I will sit here and scream about.
And we have seen these stories, Nancy, over and over again.
What does it take. We cannot have children walking away, missing,
ending up like Emily, you know, bless her little soul
in garbage bags. Everybody should be out screaming in the
middle of Times Square about this. We will not accept this,
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and we have to create change.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
If you know or think you know anything about the
disappearance and murder of this little girl just fourteen years old,
please dial nine two eight two hundred two three five
to two repeat nine two eight two hundred two three
five two or five zero five nine one seven seven
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eight three zero. There is a seventy five thousand dollars
reward seventy five thousand dollars reward in the search for
this little girl's killer. Nancy Gray signing off, goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
A body found dismembered off US sixty idd as a
missing girl, Emily just fourteen years old. Yes, her dismembered body,
A fourteen year old little girl thrown off the side
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of the highway like she's trash.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
being with us.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
A teen girl last scene walking near an Arizona group home,
found dismembered over one hundred miles away.
Speaker 5 (00:42):
Who murdered fourteen year old Emily Pike?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
What happened to Emily?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I know when you see a headline dismembered, you stick
on that, but there's so much more. Why did Emily
go missing? How did Emily go missing? There's so much
to this story. Of course, I want to know who
murdered Emily Pike, just fourteen years old. Do you remember
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what you were doing or what your daughter or son
was doing at age fourteen? Imagine what these parents are
going through. Emily Pike found dismembered and thrown on the
side of the road US sixty. Listen to see thee
so much, Jane, I really hope.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
I'm trying to see.
Speaker 6 (01:32):
If you can come into meet Thanks to recover any
kind of weapon. A cause of death is still under
investigation by the Emmy's office. We're investigating those leads. None
of those as of yet have pointed us to a
definite suspect or person of interest. We believe that she
was killed somewhere else and then that is where she
was dropped off.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
None of our friends at CBS five Arizona Family TV.
That's a lot just right there in those few seconds
to analyze, and the practice of criminal law, every detail matters.
First of all, you saw Emily, little Emily Pike, just
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fourteen years old. How did this girl go missing? Why
did she go missing? And why is she dismembered on
the side of the road. Also, we know we haven't
recovered a weapon. Cause of death still under investigation by
the Medical Examiner's office.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Also we learn.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
That it's believed Emily was murdered elsewhere, So this would
be at the very least a secondary crime scene, in
my opinion, a tertiary or third crime scene. How was
she dropped off in a vehicle? Is the roadside surveillance?
Are there license grabbers? Was it your toll road? Was
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it out in the middle of no where? Where there
are no surveillance cameras of any type, even at a
red light. We have had cases, for instance, let me
just bring up here's an easy one. Alex Murdogg, the
trial lawyer out of South Carolina, convicted in the murder
of wife Maggie and son Paul, double murder. Well, he
also staged his own murder attempt on himself and there
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was no surveillance.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Well, lo and behold. After we covered it and pointed out.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
That there was a Baptist church a few miles down
from the incident at an intersection, guess what there was surveillance?
So has that been harvested? Where were the remains found?
Were they in a bag? What kind of bag? That
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could be very probative, in other words, prove something. Let
me refer to the top Mom Casey Anthony case and
the murder of her girl, a chilly her body found
double bagged in bags taken from the Anthony home about
ten houses down from the Anthony home in a swampy area.
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Those bags revealed a treasure trove of evidence. How do
I know that this lee is doing the right thing?
First of all, straight out to Susan Hendricks joining me
investigative reporter, journalist, author of Down the Hill, My descend
into the double murder in Delphi. Susan, I'm very curious.
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Could you just tell me, give me an idea, not
just off US sixty, that could be anywhere where were
Emily's remains found.
Speaker 7 (04:43):
Nancy, good to see you.
Speaker 8 (04:44):
One hundred miles from where she was last seen, and
he mentioned what type of bag.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
It's a contractor a.
Speaker 8 (04:50):
Garbage bag, dismembered as you mentioned, just horrific details. Highway
sixty near Globe, Arizona. Again one hundred mile from where.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
She was the last seem showing a shot of the bag. Okay,
there you see it.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Susan.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Hendrix rightfully described it as a contractor's bag.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
There you see it.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
It looks plastic, not necessarily the plastic trash bag we're
all familiar with, but some combination, including including some sort
of synthetic fiber. Why is that important? It's extremely important, whole, Susan.
Chris McDonough joining me, Director Cold Case Foundation, former homicide detective,
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over three hundred homicide investigations under his belt. He's the
star of his own YouTube channel, The Interview Room where
I found him and you can find him, at Coldcasefoundation
dot org. Chris McDonough, very very important that bag regarding
who murdered a fourteen year old little girl?
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Why am I not hearing about her? In the head?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Why aren't people screaming from the at the top of
their lawns about Emily Pipe murdered and dismembered age fourteen?
I got some theories on why we haven't heard about
Emily Pipe. Back to the synthetic nature of this bag,
why is that so important?
Speaker 9 (06:18):
Well, that bag can be a huge piece of evidence
in relationship to solving this crime, because, number one, it
tells you that the person who selected that bag was
either in the contracting end or construction industry of some sort.
Because it's a larger type of contractor's bag. You can
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take that bag, put it into what they call a
super glue chamber, and that super glue chamber essentially will
bring up the ridges and the swirls of any potential fingerprints.
Speaker 7 (06:53):
On that bag.
Speaker 9 (06:54):
So this is a huge piece of evidence to your point, Nancy.
But the fact that she is found in that bag
also drives it home that she was looked at as
a piece of trash, you know, looked at.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Like a piece of trash. I have a little girl
and a little boy. They just turned seventeen. This girl.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Murdered and dismembered, thrown on the side of US sixty,
like she's trash.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Why who forget about? Why?
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Why does it matter to me? Who did this to Emily?
To Susan Hendricks joining me, investigative reporter and author, Susan
also very very important, and I'm going to go in
just one moment to Emily's very beloved uncle joining us. Susan,
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I want to under stands something off US sixty. What
would the weather be there?
Speaker 8 (08:06):
Well, of course being in Arizona and thinking about you
know I used to live there. Go into Arizona State
and middle of nowhere, middle of nowhere, desert of course,
even this time of year, and you know, my heart
does go out to her uncle.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Chris mcdona. What Susan Hendricks just said very important. That's
a critical piece of this because fingerprints are very simply
oil secreted by the human body. That's what fingerprints are
made of. So when you touch something, which I love,
trash bag is a perfect conduit for fingerprints. You can
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get a perfect fingerprint. The weather conditions out in the
desert are not going to affect that.
Speaker 9 (08:47):
Yeah, absolutely, Nancy. And that's why the process is called supergluing,
and it's literally super glue in a like a fish tank,
and then you put the bag in that fish tank
and the chemicals react to each other in terms of
from the skin and the oils on that skin and
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the super glue. And what ends up happening is you
have this you know, this picture appear in front of
you and it is you know, magic for lack of
a better term, but you can get a very good
fingerprint when you go through that process, and you're right,
the weather will not bother that at all.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Joining me is Linn Shaw, founder and executive director of
Linn's Warriors, a nonprofit dedicated to stopping human trafficking, specifically
among girls and women, and the exploitation of young girls.
It's hard for me to imagine what Emily lived through
before she was murdered and dismembered. And I want to
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point out, Lynn Shaw, that this little girl, fourteen years old,
we still haven't.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Found her arms or hands.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
I wonder why could it be the killer's attempt to
evade her being identified by not having her fingerprints available?
I don't know, and I don't care. But what this
child had went through before she was.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
Murdered, well, let me tell you, Nancy, the hands were
most likely cut off, so exactly as you said, it
can't be traced back anything about her. But I have
too many questions. This is the way my mind works.
Now we've got some body parts in a bag. How
come her mother wasn't told about this for one month?
What is going on here?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Me Now, very special guest, this is a very beloved
uncle of Emily's. All Red Pike Junior is joining us.
All right, thank you for being with us. What was
your reaction when you discovered that Emily, fourteen year old
Emily had not only been murdered, but dismembered, her body
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thrown on the side of US sixty.
Speaker 10 (11:26):
Just hearing you describe it again, it's like we reliving it.
That this stuff, that stuff. Uh hearing what happened to her?
And oh, she was just tossed to the side of
the road. I'm sorry, but it's hard. It's hard to
hear exactly what happened to her. And I just can't
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imagine what her mom and her dad are going through
as an extended family. It hurts, it hurts to hear
exactly what happened to.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Her, Mister Pike. I would like to apologize for being
so candid and harsh with the facts, but I have
faced many a jury and I learned at the very
beginning this is not a time to sugarcoat or airbrush
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the truth. This is the time for the truth to
be told. There have been many, many times and a
break and a trial. I would go away from the
jury or anybody else to another floor in the courthouse,
go into the ladies room, go.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
To the furthest stall and cry or be sick.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
From what I had to do and say in the
courtroom and prove to a jury, I'm really sorry you.
Seeing you cry makes me want to cry because I
think of my girl, my little Lucy, at fourteen, just
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fourteen years old. What are police telling the family? What
are they saying happen? They don't even have a cod
cause of death yet they don't know where she was killed.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Do they know when she was killed? Nothing? Nothing, mister Pike.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Do you believe that Emily's case has been lost in
the sauce because she is an American Indian?
Speaker 11 (13:50):
You said it, and it's hard for me to see
it because I wish it wasn't like that. But the
news coverage isn't really there. It's just local news and
the first national news person to cover this case and
it said if it was someone else, maybe that'll been
all over the news.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
To say that miss so much and I really hope.
Speaker 7 (14:12):
I'm trying to see if you can come.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Into meet next thing from our friends a Z Family TV.
How did she go missing? Where did she go missing?
Who took her? What did this fourteen year old girl
endure before she was murdered and dismembered? Why did the
killer take her arm? Arms, and hands? They haven't been found.
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We have an idea how she went missing?
Speaker 12 (14:40):
Lesson Emily Pike moves to a group home in Mesa
to be close to health related resources. She needs. A
creative teen. Emily loves to draw paint and she's taking
guitar lessons, where her former roommate says she meets a
boy who is also learning to play guitar. Emily wants
to see the boy she likes from her guitar class
and talk to him, but she has an allowed to
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leave the group home on her own On January twenty seventh,
a church group comes to the home and, according to
her ex roommate, Emily sneaks out the back door. When
Emily doesn't return to the home, Mason Police are contacted
by the group home and she's reported missing.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Much has been made of the fact that this little girl,
just fourteen, snuck out to see a boy that she
met through guitar lessons. But let me remind everyone she
is the innocent here. For instance, has anyone forgotten Jocelyn Nungary,
just twelve years old, She snuck out.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
To use her cell phone.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
There's a video of her at a local seven eleven,
and it is there she meets her perpetrators, the men
that killed her. According to police, let's see a shot
of them, Jose Martinez, Franklin Pina them. They are charged
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with kidnapping, assaulting, and murdering this little girl, leaving her
body under a bridge. And then of course there's Nicole Lovell.
She was just thirteen years old, had already survived so
much in her short life, already surviving a liver transplant
and so much more. Children at school making fun of
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her because she had a scar on her throat from
a surgery. The valedictorian engineering student David Eisenhower is the
one that lured her out of her home and then
his friend Nalie Keepers helped destroy her body and leave
it on the side of the road like Jocen Nungary
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was left under a bridge. One survivor, Atlisia Koskevitch thirteen,
when she was lured out just thirteen, kidnapped, repeatedly, assault
and the night she was set to be murdered, she
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was saved her purp a perv Scott Tyree. So I
don't know that a little fourteen year old girl who
sneaks out to meet her little friend boy that she
plays has guitar lessons with it is really grounds for attack.
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But I guarantee you someone will attack her. Lin shaw
I was asking all Red Pike Junior, if this case
had been ignored, Emily's a murder unsolved because Emily is Indigenous,
What do you think.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
We need to talk about the American crisis, which is
women and girls in the indigenous community. They are totally ignored.
Thank goodness, we are talking about it here today. How
come no other media outlet has covered this story of
this beautiful little fourteen year old.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
I want to talk about some stats. We have to.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
We have to until recently, tribal nations have their own
kind of law enforcement. Thank goodness, they are now working
alongside the FBI and local law enforcement. We know that
women and girls account for about two point two percent
of all women and girls in the United States, and
of that they are about one little over one percent
of the population. Can you imagine if we took the
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entire population of the United States approximately I don't know,
three hundred and forty million and one percent, that'd be
over thirty four million or thereabouts of murdered and missing,
you know people. So why don't we talk about the
indigenous community. We have a lot going on here. They
also suffer one in ten cases, are higher than other
ethnicities of missing and murdered. Why aren't we covering this?
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Jumping off what Lynn Shaw from Lyn's Warriors just says
straight out to Mary Kim Titla a special guest in
joining us. Mary Kim, executive director of Unity, which is
United Indian Tribal Youth, Inc. Not only that first Native
American TV journalist in Arizona joining us, Why has Emily's
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case been ignored?
Speaker 7 (19:16):
Mary Kim that's a good question, and as an Indigenous woman,
I feel invisible. I think that we need to ask
law enforcement. I think we need to ask people who
are investigating these cases why there hasn't been more priority.
We have seen in our history that we are less
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of a priority. It's an injustice and it's outrageous. I
do have some statistics. Four and five Indigenous women have
experienced violence in their lifetime, and the national average for
the murder rate of women living on Indian reservations is
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ten times the national average. There's not a good number,
but we have a fairly good idea based on some
numbers back from twenty sixteen, that there are five thousand,
seven hundred missing American, Indian and Alaska Native women and girls.
So of course we're missing a few years and that
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number is now much higher. And I can personally relate
to this because my own cousin was missing and murdered,
my niece was missing and murdered. So this is an
injustice and I do feel invisible, and it's a natural
crisis and we want it addressed.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
You know what, Mary Kim Tayler, I want to adjust something.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
You just said that you feel invisible out of all
the cases, and they're well over ten.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Thousand of them, believe it or not.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
One of the things I have found in crime victims,
whether they were child I'm altested, whether they were rape,
whether they were agassaulted, whether they were.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Set on fire.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
It just it's the feeling of helplessness that sticks with
them forever, forever, that feeling that there's nothing.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
You can do, there's nothing you can.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Say to fix it, and nobody is hearing you. I
sometimes feel married Kim Titla that you and Lynnshaw and
Emily's family, mister all Red Piped Junior with us tonight
and you're just screaming.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Out in the car on Third Avenue. Nobody's hearing. I mean,
Mary Kim, this.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Little girl, all Red Pike Junior, your niece was likely raped.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Brutally murdered. We don't even have a cod honor.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Because her body was dismembered, dismembered, her arms and hands removed, so.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
We couldn't get an ID.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
But we did put in a bag and thrown off
the highway. I mean, for me, the world should stop
until this is solved.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
All read.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
But I agree with Mary Kim and Lynn Shaw. It's
like nobody's hearing a scream.
Speaker 11 (22:21):
Marry Kim is correct. If they did pay more attention
to my niece's case, I think we would have been
somewheres at this point, Like you've been hitting on, there's
cameras in the Phoenix area, and they could have at
least tried to track down those camera footage to see
(22:44):
if any cameras pickure up walking or talking to anybody in.
Speaker 7 (22:49):
The Phoenix area. My niece.
Speaker 11 (22:51):
You know, it's Native American and sad to say, we
felt like she wasn't being prioritized to kind of make
Let me say that there was finally a task force
put together this week. That's about three weeks after her
body was found or identifying. So why did it take
(23:13):
so long for a task force.
Speaker 7 (23:15):
To be formed?
Speaker 11 (23:15):
It should have been done as soon as her body
was found. It's just this case has not given has
not been covered as much as it should be. Only
local news has covered it, and I'm appreciative that you're
covering it, and hopefully more people cover it from here
on out.
Speaker 12 (23:33):
MASA police report Emily Pike as missing to the National
Crime Information Center the evening of January twenty seventh. The
same day, police got word of her disappearance. Her mother
is not even informed of Emily leaving the group home
until her fourteen year old daughter has been missing for
a full week. Police say it is up to the
group home to contact her case manager, who would then
(23:53):
have contacted Pike's family or tribe.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Just so you know, Emily for medical reasons to be
to medical treatment, was in a home, a state home,
and a week passed before they even contacted the mother.
I mean, do I have that wrong with me? Investigative
reporter and author Susan Hendrix, she catapulted to stardom in
(24:17):
her coverage of the Delphie murders of Abby and Libby.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Susan, is that right?
Speaker 2 (24:22):
They didn't bother to pick up the phone and tell
her mother that she's missing for a week?
Speaker 8 (24:28):
Absolutely in the head of the group home speaking to
a look or reporter saying look, we're hands off type
of a home meaning I don't really know what that meant,
as if to say, like she walked off, then we
didn't follow her, but exactly the mom was not notified
for a week, and think about how much time was
(24:48):
lost there. It makes me wonder with the authorities notified
and to see how her body was found. There was
trauma to her face, severe trauma. You look at it,
you see that smile. It's horrifying.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I don't understand this. Is there some glitch so I
don't understand. All read Pike Junior. This is Emily's uncle
joining us. Why was the family informed for a solid
week that Emily was missing?
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Is she that disposable?
Speaker 11 (25:13):
Those are answers that I don't have. And it just
goes to back to what you're saying. She wasn't prioritized
and that week we could have reached out, had people
out there looking for her. Social media, maybe the news
send people out there to look for her.
Speaker 10 (25:32):
And that week is a long time, A lot could
have a lot.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
My stars, all Read, You're so right.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I mean, when you're looking for a missing child, an
hour an hour.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Delay is bad enough. Just think if she's in a vehicle.
She was found like one hundred miles away.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Everybody correct me if I've got any facts wrong, because
they matter.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Think of it. Sixty mph an hour.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
She was sixty miles away and a week passes before
the family is even told. It's not the first time
a child goes missing from a so called home The
case of Serenity Dinnard haunts me to this day.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
It was ten forty five am on a Sunday morning.
Serenity is in the gym at the Black Hills Children's Home.
Serenity then ran out of the building at eleven am.
At twelve twenty six pm, a nine to one one
call goes out to the Pennington County Sheriff's Department.
Speaker 13 (26:29):
There was an eighty minute delay before nine to one
one was called, and that's just inexplicable. I think it
was a matter of you know, it was Super Bowl Sunday.
People there were well, let's let's look for her. She
had run off in the past, let's find her on
our own first. But an hour and twenty minutes really
is you know, that raises a big question mark about
the judgment of those employees.
Speaker 14 (26:50):
We got our dog teams out searching for Serenity. We
got a large crew up in the woods. We got
launched on time this morning, and we're just going to
work for as long as we can today and again,
our plan and our number one goal is to bring
Serenity home today and hopefully we can do that.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Join me right now in a special guest Chief Medical
Examiner District two of the Emmy's office in Florida, forensic
pathologists and neuropathologists and toxicologists. Doctor Thomas Coin, Dodger Coin,
thank you for being with us. I'm sure that you've
dealt with dismemberment cases in the past. Why is it
if you could explain in simple terms why we cannot
(27:34):
get a cod cause of death on Emily Sure.
Speaker 15 (27:38):
Sure for several reasons. Perhaps one because obviously this body
was found dismembered within bags, probably out in the environment
for weeks, and so there was probably a considerable amount
of decomposition. NI could blur our ability to see the
injuries as would have existed at the time of death. Also,
(28:01):
there may very well be injuries present, but not fatal injuries.
In other words, there's wounds I believe described of the
face by themselves. They may simply not be fatal injuries
or severe enough for them to say here is the
cause of death. Alternatively, there may also be toxicology reports
that are pending. I know a lot of times in
these cases we want to have an answer right away,
(28:22):
but medical examiner's offices may very well pend the cause
of death for other investigations. To come forward, therefore they
can get the answer correct in the end. I know
myself in these cases. I'm always in direct communication with
law enforcement and family. I'm letting them know what I'm
thinking of, what I think the cause of death is,
but we want to make sure in the end we
(28:42):
get it correct.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Doctor Thomas Coin, joining as Chief Medical Examiner District to
Medical Examiner's Office, State of Florida.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
They're rare. They're rare.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
You don't often see dismemberments, but it makes the cood
sometimes nearly impossible to find. And I think that dis
memoriaments are rare because the mind of a killer that
would then go on to dismember the victim is very,
very unusual. It's very uncommon, would you agree with that,
(29:13):
doctor Coin.
Speaker 15 (29:14):
Yes, very uncommon. We don't see that often. And it's
also it's harder than you you would think to actually
dismember about it, unless you know how to readily just
articulate various joints, that can be very difficult as well.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
To Chris mcdonnald, joining US a veteran homicide detective and
now at Cold Case Foundation and Star the Interview Room
on YouTube, Chris very rare very rare that you get
a dismemberment typically to hide evidence, but I really think
it goes into the mind of the killer.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
It's not just to hide evidence.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
That's why we see so many shallow grave cases where
the person is buried in a shallow grave. But to
go through a dismemberment ordeal is very difficult to do
and very rare.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
So what I'm getting.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
At is the mind of Emily Pie just fourteen year old,
the mind of someone that would dismember a fourteen.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Year old girl.
Speaker 9 (30:10):
Yeah, Nancy, I mean we're talking about an apex predator here,
meaning this individual or individuals, depending on what the investigation reveals,
they have thought about this for quite some time. This
is a thought fantasy that projects itself onto the victim
(30:31):
after typically a sexual assault. So this individual or individuals
is at the highest threat level to the community. And
unfortunately Emily, you know, like Mary Kay had marykm excuse
me had said earlier, Emily was invisible to this suspect
(30:54):
or suspects, and thus the result that we're seeing here
is she was throwing away way again like a piece
of trash.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Glynn Shaw and joining me and founder director Lynn's Warriors,
a nonprofit committed to ending trafficking and abuse on young
girls and women.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
He's right.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
The dismemberment aspect of what was done to Emily.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Compounds the fact that she was like nothing, She meant
nothing to the killer.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
I mean absolutely, we are seeing this in our marginalized
communities across the United States that they are kind of
amping everything up. This is so horrible, monsters dismembering bodies
and doing all of that.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
But I want to go back on something. We have
to really get out.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
Thank goodness, we're talking about this today, Nancy. We're putting
it out there. We have to continually, as hard as
it is, and for the Pike family, all these horrible
things we're talking about. We have to put this out
in the public. We have to put the visuals out.
We have to keep talking about it. We have to
follow up because that is what will matter. We'll leverage
the internet for good and just put it all over
(32:12):
the internet.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
But you know what, You're absolutely correct. You're absolutely correct.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Mary Kim Tittlaw joining US executive director of Unity United
National Indian Tribal Youth, Inc. Mary Kim, I don't enjoy
talking about the dismemberment of a fourteen year old girl.
But my point is she has remained invisible and even
in death, when many bodies. I'll just give you an
(32:40):
example of cult mom Lori Valo, who is responsible for
the death of her son and daughter. You should have
seen the way the son was basically mummified, He was
hermetically sealed, he was treated with great care, the way
(33:01):
that his body was disposed. That doesn't negate the fact
that he was murdered along with his sister Tyler. But
here the way Emily is treated, even in death. It's
shocking to my system that a little fourteen year old
girl will be treated this way and people aren't screaming
(33:21):
from the rooftops. This child was dismembered even in death.
She was brutalized.
Speaker 7 (33:28):
It's shocking and heartbreaking, and it makes me very angry.
It makes a lot of people very angry and upset.
Indigenous women have long been the targets of hatred and violence.
They say the underlying factors are there of poverty and homelessness,
(33:49):
but you also have to look at the historical factors
of racism, sexism, and the legacy of imperialism and colonization.
So this is not the first time it's happened. Unfortunately,
as I've mentioned, my relatives have gone missing and murdered,
(34:10):
and I recently learned that an extended relative has been
missing since last summer. So it is heartbreaking, heart wrenching,
and our people are not standing by any longer. They're
taking action upon themselves. They're holding vigils, they're marching, they're
(34:31):
at the state capitol, they're at the offices of our
congressional representatives. We're speaking out because something must be done.
We don't want to see this happen again.
Speaker 12 (34:44):
When the group home manager who filed the report, Emily's
roommate tells as family that based on where her remains
were found just off US sixty heading northeast, she thinks
Emily was just trying to go home. The roommate believes
Emily was trying to hitchhike back to see your parents
and she got picked up by the wrong person.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Susan Henry is joining me an incredible investigative reporter and author. Susan,
is that the working theory? And how much do you
believe that the high rates of unsolved murders and missings,
amongst our American Indians, the indigenous has to do with
the fact that they do not they don't have any
(35:25):
help from local law enforcement or.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
From the FADS.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
The Feds do not govern US tribal territories. They have
no jeriousness there. It's up to the tribal police to
solve all these cases. And it's not happening.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Absolutely.
Speaker 5 (35:40):
And we heard from Emily's.
Speaker 8 (35:42):
Uncle just say, look, a task force is finally formed,
so they'll be working together. How about this, Nancy Young,
the indigenous community, young and old are not included in
amberlanch in Arizona. So lawmakers are working to fight this.
There's a bill right now to to eight one. It's
past the House waiting on Senate. So, yes, they are
(36:03):
in this.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Oh my stars, they're not part of the Amber alert system.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Is that what you just said?
Speaker 5 (36:08):
No, not in Arizona.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Oh, we're learning more. Listen to what Emily's mom says.
The mother of Emily Pike tells a local TV station
that authorities told her they have three suspects in the
disappearance and murder of her daughter, but that's not what
they're saying in public. According to the Healy County Sheriff's office.
No suspects or persons of interest have been identified in
her case at this point. The cause and manner of
(36:31):
death are still pending, according to the Penal County Medical
Examiner's Office, which investigates deaths in Healy County.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Oh my, pie Junior, is that true?
Speaker 2 (36:39):
We're just hearing there's a suggestion that there are three
pois persons of interest.
Speaker 11 (36:44):
That was at the beginning of the after her body
was found. But just recently we found out that the
investigator said they didn't have anybody, no suspects or anything,
no lead.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
What investigator is this?
Speaker 1 (36:59):
What?
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Ellie, are you talking to HeLa County, HeLa County, Susan Hendricks.
Aren't the FBI involved?
Speaker 8 (37:04):
Now, absolutely, FBI is involved and they're part of that
task force. But in doing research on this, learning about
who Emily was, also learning about all the law enforcement agencies,
they're not saying much and it seems like the communication
obviously there's a lot there.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
You know, I'm very interested, Mary kim Tittler joining us.
Another little girl, a teen girl, Veronica Cruz, is missing
from the same home.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
I haven't heard about her either.
Speaker 7 (37:31):
It's very sad and I am very troubled by that news.
It's an alarming statistic when you look at the ages
of missing and murdered Indigenous women and girls. We're talking
about young girls and so many of them are missing.
(37:53):
Why aren't we hearing more about this? I'm just as
outraged as everyone else. It makes me sad, it makes
me mad. Murder is the third leading cause of death
of Indigenous women. There are people who don't know this there.
It's so important to educate everyone and to create awareness.
(38:14):
That's why you're seeing these marches, That's why you're seeing
people speaking out. You're seeing murals. This beautiful mural that
was created on the reservation right by a major highway
so people who drive by can see Emily's photo and
see that we care. We care deeply about what's happening
in our communities and we don't want this to happen
(38:36):
over and over again. But it is happening. Why are
are girls going missing? Why aren't we doing more about it?
It's at all levels of government, and there's layers and
layers of underlying factors that we start to peel away,
and so we do have to address those layers of
poverty and homelessness. But we have to work on this together.
(39:01):
So we are asking for everyone's help to meet with people,
to meet with the indigenous communities to figure out how
we can address this better so we don't see another
girl go missing.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
To Lynn Shaw, my longtime friend and colleague who I
first met as we investigated the case of another little
girl missing from a home, Serenity Dinnard, Lynn, everything that you,
Mary Kim, mister Pie, Chris McDonough, doctor Coin, susan Hanjakobs said,
(39:36):
it's all true.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
But let me ask you what are we going to do.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
We're going to do several things. It starts with right
here today we are talking about it. We are raising
the awareness. That is the biggest thing we can do
with the public. Get everybody on board and give them
some resources and visuals to share, whether it's in real time,
whether it's on their social media platforms. Number two, we have.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
To go back.
Speaker 5 (39:57):
You know what I'm not hearing in any of this discussion.
Did little Emily have a digital footprint? Did she have
a phone? Did she have a laptop? We're not hearing
anything about that. How was she going out to meet
supposedly her boy, this boy she knew from guitar classes.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Or something like that.
Speaker 5 (40:13):
I'm hearing nothing about a digital footprint. And number three
the biggest thing I will sit here and scream about.
And we have seen these stories, Nancy, over and over again.
What does it take. We cannot have children walking away, missing,
ending up like Emily, you know, bless her little soul
in garbage bags. Everybody should be out screaming in the
middle of Times Square about this. We will not accept this,
(40:34):
and we have to create change.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
If you know or think you know anything about the
disappearance and murder of this little girl just fourteen years old,
please dial nine two eight two hundred two three five
to two repeat nine two eight two hundred two three
five two or five zero five nine one seven seven
(40:58):
eight three zero. There is a seventy five thousand dollars
reward seventy five thousand dollars reward in the search for
this little girl's killer. Nancy Gray signing off, goodbye friend,
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