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October 21, 2025 45 mins

Kada Scott's remains have been found in a wooded area behind an abandoned school in East Germantown. 

Kada, 23, was last seen shortly after arriving for a shift at an assisted living facility in Chestnut Hill.  

Police began searching the area on Saturday, Oct. 18, near the vacant Ada H. Lewis Middle School for Scott after receiving a "very specific" anonymous tip at around 10 p.m. on Friday, Oct. 17, authorities said.

Police previously searched the area of the school and arboretum in the Germantown neighborhood of Philadelphia but reported only finding some physical evidence, without commenting on what evidence was uncovered. Community members voice anger and frustration at police while gathering behind the crime scene tape during the search on Saturday, saying they could have found the body sooner.

Investigators discover a person of interest. As the investigation continued, police determined 23-year-old Keon King of Dover, Delaware, is now a suspect. 

Keon King had a criminal record prior to his alleged involvement in Scott’s kidnapping. Investigators say King kidnapped and assaulted another victim earlier in the year. 

Joining Nancy Grace today: 

    • Mark Tate -  Trial Lawyer, The Tate Law Group
    • Dr. Geri-Lynn Utter - Clinical Psychologist (specializing in psychological evaluations and risk assessments for individuals involved in the criminal justice system), Author of “Mainlining Philly: Survival, Hope and Resisting Drug Addition,” and “Aftershock: How Past Event Shake Up Your Life Today," and Producer of “Utter Nonsense," a documentary of exploration of addition and severe mental illness, available to stream on Apple TV and Prime Video; Instagram & Facebook: DrGeriLynnUtter
    • Brian Fitzgibbons - VP of Operations for USPA Nationwide Security; Instagram: @uspa_nationwide_security, Kingsman Philanthropic's 2022 rescue missions of women and children in Ukraine, Iraq War Veteranide_security
    • Dr. Thomas Coyne - Chief Medical Examiner, District 2 Medical Examiner's Office, State of Florida; Forensic Pathologist, Neuropathologist, Toxicologist; X: @DrTMCoyne
    • Joe Holden - Chief Investigative Reporter and Anchor, CBS News Philadelphia, cbsnews.com/Philadelphia; Facebook: Joe Holden Reporter, X: @JoeHoldenCBS3
    • Sydney Sumner -  Investigative Reporter, 'Crime Stories'

     

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    Speaker 1 (00:00):
    Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Human remains found in the
    search for a Miss USA hopeful Kada Scott and tonight
    a bobshell. Is there an accomplice who thought it would

    (00:23):
    be a great idea to bury her body behind an
    abandoned middle school, or even worse, kill her. I'm Nancy Grace.
    This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
    being with us.

    Speaker 2 (00:38):
    It is with profound sadness that we share the tragic
    passing of our beloved daughter, Kata Scott.

    Speaker 1 (00:43):
    Our hearts are shattered.

    Speaker 2 (00:44):
    Today, we'll say her name. Tomorrow we'll say her name,
    and forever we will say her name.

    Speaker 1 (00:52):
    In the last hours, we learn human remains found behind
    that abandoned middle school, the Ada Lewis Scott Middle School.
    Listen to what we've learned.

    Speaker 3 (01:05):
    Well, based on a tip that came in last night.
    Through the night, the investigators begin the process of following
    up on that tip, and the tip was very specific
    that led us back to this location here today.

    Speaker 4 (01:17):
    If we received a tip to go to the Ada
    Lewis Middle School, investigators went did a thorough search. Essentially,
    what the new tip was this weekend was go back.
    It was go back, she's there. Look again and they
    did give more specific details in terms of where to look,
    and ultimately that is what led.

    Speaker 5 (01:37):
    Us to her.

    Speaker 1 (01:38):
    Well, that's some tip that from our friends at ABC six.
    Joining me right now in all star panelment. First, I
    want to go to the chief investigative reporter and anchor
    at CBS News Philadelphia who has been investigating this case
    right along with the police from the very beginning, Joe Holden. Joe,
    that was some tip that actually called into police anonymously

    (02:04):
    told them where to look, and then when they didn't
    find anything the first time, called back and said go back.
    What were they watching the police or were they watching
    the news to know there have been no announcement. That's bizarre.

    Speaker 5 (02:19):
    Check all those boxes because we know that from police
    and the prosecutors. This was a persistent tipster. They first
    called nine to one one last week to say you
    better look at that middle school property and then police come.
    They go, they have nothing, and so let me let
    me let me stop that. Right there, They do find

    (02:40):
    a cell phone case, they find a bank card, and
    they find an iPad case and possibly some other personal evidence.
    Yet they didn't find CATA. So that tipster then emails
    I'm told from sources emails, go back, you have to
    look again. Yeah, have to look more specific specifically in

    (03:02):
    this location. And we learned that yesterday from from prosecutors.
    So that happens. They go back, they find her in
    a shallow grade.

    Speaker 1 (03:12):
    Wow, Joe Holden fitzkimm is going to have a field
    day with tracking down that emailer. But let me go
    back to Joe Holden. An email like that can't be traced.
    I'm dying to find out who called nine one one
    and who was watching so carefully that they knew police
    left without finding the human remains.

    Speaker 3 (03:34):
    Listen, that tip today led us back to this area
    behind the school.

    Speaker 5 (03:40):
    Where's a wooded.

    Speaker 3 (03:41):
    Area is I don't know if any of you have
    been back there, but as a wooded area that goes.

    Speaker 5 (03:46):
    Beyond the school.

    Speaker 6 (03:47):
    Investigators returned Tovida Lewis Middle School on a very specific
    anonymous tip to look in a heavily wooded area separating
    the old closed school from a recreation center. Investigators clear
    an area of rush and debris, uncovering freshly disturbed earth
    under a board. Digging with their bare hands, officers are
    hit with the strange smell and find maggots crawling through

    (04:09):
    the dirt, the area is a shallow grave holding the
    decomposing remains.

    Speaker 1 (04:15):
    Well, that's certainly putting it mildly a strange smell, because
    I'm telling you, once you go to a murder scene
    and you smell a decomposing body, a human body, you'll
    never forget it. Even the smell alone. I've actually seen
    a rookie cup start vomiting from the smell alone. That

    (04:37):
    video you saw from our friends at ABC, and there's more.

    Speaker 3 (04:42):
    We begin to go back into that area where we
    would locate a shallow grave, after being able to remove
    some of the debris back there, able to locate the
    body of helping a human being.

    Speaker 7 (04:57):
    It has been confirmed that these are the huge remains
    of Katy Scott, and that has been confirmed by DNA.

    Speaker 1 (05:07):
    Two. Joe Holden joining US chief investigative reporter and anchor
    CBS Needs Philly. That video from our friends at ABC six,
    Joe Holden, There's just so much to dissect, and this
    is what you have to do when you are investigating
    a case orre preparing for trial. You have to take
    each line. I'm sure you do this in your investigative work,
    and you have to analyze each and every fact for instance,

    (05:31):
    that the tipster not only call nine one one, but
    obviously carefully watching the scene, says, oh my stars, they
    didn't find her, and emails Beck who is this person
    number one? But Joe Holden? Can you imagine the chaos
    at the scene when the police are overcome and they

    (05:54):
    start clawing at the dirt with their bare hands.

    Speaker 5 (06:01):
    So they had to excavate the entire area that they
    eventually determined to be the final resting place, if you will,
    or temporary resting place for the beautiful Kata Scott there, Nancy,
    I will provide a timeline here that we learned we
    nailed down yesterday. She is reported missing October fourth, twenty
    some minutes into her shift, and then twenty minutes later

    (06:24):
    police sources believe that is when she dies. So that
    is October fourth, That is days before a news conference
    announcing that they're asking the public for help. And of
    course that is now this huge.

    Speaker 1 (06:37):
    So what did you say twenty minutes later? What repeat?

    Speaker 5 (06:41):
    Twenty minutes after they say she leaves work is when
    they believe she dies. She is alive for only twenty
    minutes after she left the place that she works at
    in Chestnut Hill in the city of Philadelphia.

    Speaker 1 (06:54):
    But Holden, I don't understand. I hear you, but I
    don't understand what you're saying. She was dead within twenty
    minutes after taking her away from the assisted living where
    she worked.

    Speaker 5 (07:09):
    Well, police are telling us twenty minutes. They're very guarded
    on details of how they know that. We couldn't even
    nail down if they have surveillance video of her getting
    into this car, which becomes a whole other side of
    this story. Where we thought there was one car, now
    there's a second car involved and it's a two thousand
    and eight black Hondai accent so Kean King. The suspect

    (07:32):
    in this is now utilizing two different vehicles, and it's
    believed he shows up to the terrace of Chestnut Hill
    there where Kata Scott worked the Saturday night of October fourth.
    They know each other somehow, but are not giving us
    much detail as to how well or how long she
    gets into his car. And they are telling us now,

    (07:53):
    according to multiple law enforcement sources, that she is alive
    for about a twenty minute time frame and then she dies.

    Speaker 1 (08:01):
    The psychopathy behind that, I'm very anxious to determine why
    just twenty minutes in she is murdered and actually, Joe Holden,
    let me quickly go to Brian Fitzgibbons joining us. He's
    the director of Operations USPA Nationwide Security. He leads a

    (08:22):
    team of investigators that go around the world finding missing
    people and getting evidence. You and I analyze the case
    of Madeline Soto Soto and video surveillance played at an
    integral role in catching the killer. I'm wondering if this

    (08:44):
    case with Kata Scott will line up with what was
    done in the Mattie Soto case where the perp had
    the victim in a vehicle and was videoed with Maddie
    dead in the car. She just turned thirteen, and he
    had propped her up in a seat, the passenger seat

    (09:09):
    with a seat melt on as she was dead, and
    then tried to tell police that Maddie, little Maddie thirteen,
    was actually asleep, that she dozed off on the way
    to school. It's possible, Fitzgibbons, It's possible that there is
    video of him with Kata in the car dead.

    Speaker 5 (09:35):
    Very possible.

    Speaker 8 (09:36):
    And we're learning more information now with the introduction of
    this two thousand and eight Hyundai Sedan that King was
    driving and that authorities believe that Kata Scott that was
    connected to Kata Scott's murder, so there will be more
    video surveillance on that video. Authorities have already pinned down

    (09:57):
    King's location with his cell phone records to be associated
    with locations of this stolen vehicle.

    Speaker 1 (10:10):
    Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Back to Joe Holden, joining
    US chief investiative reporter and anchor CBS News Philly on
    the case from the very beginning. And I don't call
    it a story, Joe, because this is no story. This
    is real and her family devastated. I can go back

    (10:32):
    on what it could have should have This guy should
    have already been in jail. The prosecutors dropped the ball.
    They did not follow up on a previous case almost
    exactly like this one, when the victim was too afraid
    she was an FTA failure to appear. I'll get to
    that later, but I want to go back to the
    police officers clawing at the dirt with their bare hands.

    (10:56):
    They can smell human d coop. Can you imagine that
    saying they all jump down on the ground and start
    clawing because they don't, I guess, have a shovel with
    them and suddenly they see maggots.

    Speaker 5 (11:10):
    It's a horrible scene. It's a terrible situation, and I
    know just from interacting with my sources in the Philadelphia
    Police Department, it was a traumatic situation for many of them.
    Many of them went off the grid. Nancy Frankly, Saturday night, Sunday,
    Sunday afternoon. We couldn't reach many of the folks that
    we deal with regularly due to the gravity of what

    (11:31):
    they discovered. And to Brian Fitzgibbon's information about video and
    your question about do we have video, Yeah, prosecutors are
    saying they have video from a nearby rec center. If
    you see a shot of the school building, the rec
    center sits directly to the right from your vantage point.
    So there is video, according to prosecutors, of Keon King

    (11:54):
    in this Hyndai accent arriving to the middle school and
    taking Kata Scott apparently onto the property, and then she
    is located in the back of the property. So this
    would be to the right of that picture you're looking for,
    is where police have video evidence. They also tell us
    they have technology, they have evidence showing a cellular activity

    (12:19):
    of Keon King's phone in the area at the significant
    times of their investigation.

    Speaker 1 (12:26):
    Two right as Gibbons. Many people have asked since the
    search for Kata started, how do you recognize a shallow grave?
    Wouldn't you agree that you see disturbed earth where everything
    looks the same, be it grass or leaves you know,
    that have been there forever, that have been wet, that

    (12:48):
    have been dried, that have been rained on again, and
    suddenly you see a disturbed area. I've always looked for
    a disturbed area before using, for instance, ground pinach. Have
    you seen a ground penetrating device where you can see
    it kind of looks like an ultrasound and you see
    where underneath the soil the dirt has been displayed. But

    (13:12):
    you don't need a ground penetrator. You can see with
    the naked eye where the soil looks different from everywhere else.

    Speaker 9 (13:23):
    Yeah.

    Speaker 8 (13:24):
    Absolutely, there's ground penetrating radar, there's light bar, there's various
    technologies that can be used, but to the naked eye.

    Speaker 5 (13:31):
    I think what made.

    Speaker 8 (13:32):
    This search complicated is that around the abandoned building there's
    probably a high amount of debris, a higher amount of
    boards scattered around, and in this case, the reports coming
    in is that that disturbed earth was covered up by
    a large piece of wood.

    Speaker 1 (13:51):
    Guys, you are seeing video of l E law enforcement
    on the scene and they're discovering kits, and as Joe
    Holden just told us, a lot of these first responders
    and police went off the grid and couldn't be reached.
    It was just just too much. Doctor Thomas Coin joining

    (14:12):
    US Chief Medical Examiner, District two Medical Examiner's Office, State
    of Florida. He is a forensic pathologist, he is a toxicologist,
    he's a neuropathologist, and more. Doctor Coin, I'm sure you
    are familiar with the area of investigation that is forensic entomology.
    And I bring that up because of the existence of maggots,

    (14:38):
    not blowflies, but maggots. Why do I care because it
    ages the time of death. It helps me get a
    time of death.

    Speaker 10 (14:51):
    Explain sure, I mean, certainly from the field of entomology,
    we know that different species of insects all arrive at
    a decomposing body or a dead body at varying time intervals.
    So you can collect the different insects species that are
    found and examine their larval stage. So, for instance, with
    the guards and maggots, it is well known how long

    (15:13):
    it takes a maggot to go from an egg to
    a certain sized larval stage, then eventually to becoming a fly.
    And so if you're able to characterize what stage of
    development the magot is at, you may have a good
    idea of how long that body was perhaps present in
    the ground. So it helps to give a timeframe of
    death when you're able to examine the various insects, species,

    (15:37):
    and larvae that may be present. And it also provides
    a good means perhaps of toxicology. You can even test
    those insects for drugs or poisons if you had no
    tissue left on the body to examine.

    Speaker 1 (15:49):
    New York Control Room. If you could pull up the
    video of a prior attack caught on video, it's very
    hard for me to look at this beautiful girl Dotor
    and reconcile your discussion about maggots. Hold on, hold on,
    look at this. How'd you like to look out your
    win and see him peering in. In the video, you

    (16:10):
    hear the victim screaming, call the police, Call the police.
    Everybody's running, everybody's moving. He's going from window to window
    to see how he can get in. This is one
    of his previous victims. Now I'm leading us up to
    a point a six plus foot There you go, superhero

    (16:34):
    jumping down. He landed in the victim's backyard and strides forward.
    This is from at s four LCC on TikTok. So
    you know what, Joe Holden, this guy, he's got a
    rap sheet as long as my arm. Here he is.
    This is his either second or third attack. Very sore

    (17:00):
    to the attack on Cada. She Joe Holden didn't stand
    a chance. She lasted twenty minutes in the car with
    this predator. Twenty minutes. Joe.

    Speaker 5 (17:14):
    Yeah, and he's got that rap sheet. I guess we
    could call it a rapsheet, or we could call it
    actually nothing thin air because those cases went away. The
    case from November when police say he burglarizes the home
    and then strangles an ex girlfriend on a bed, and
    that case goes before a judge or a magistrate. We're

    (17:37):
    still sorting out which I believe it was a judge
    for preliminary hearings, and then witness and victims fail to appear,
    so the case is withdrawn by the District Attorney's office.
    And then fast forward to January, where he is engaged
    in a similar criminal conduct, accused of kidnapping and stranger

    (18:00):
    the same ex girlfriend. So now we have a case
    happening that's overlapping the first case, okay, and then charges
    are brought for the second one, not until April. This
    is the afternoon that police allege the second incident happened.
    This is in January here, and so charges are brought
    in April. There are two hearings on the matter, and

    (18:23):
    the District Attorney withdraws the charges. Just yesterday they are
    admitting that they could have gone forward with the prosecution
    of this case without a witness to the crime. So
    right there, they're conceding that they made some mistakes, they
    should have done things differently. But Nancy, what this has

    (18:44):
    done is this has triggered an all out war of
    words between the DA's office and the courts in Philadelphia,
    with the courts telling the District Attorney's office that they
    should be ashamed of themselves. They've been appallingly disrespectful, and
    they're descriptions of how their interaction in these criminal cases

    (19:05):
    has played out. So we're still unraveling.

    Speaker 1 (19:07):
    By Okay, brace yourself, Joe Holden, that is a load
    of crap. That video from at S four LCC TikTok,
    because there's plenty of blame to go around here. Let
    me bring in Mark Tate, veterans trial lawyer, high profile

    (19:28):
    lawyer out of the Savannah jurisdiction with the Tate Law
    Group and beyond Tate take off your defense at just
    one moment. This is complete BS. Let's break it down
    for people that have not been in the criminal justice system.
    Number one, the DA, not the judge failed. They had

    (19:48):
    a case where a woman was strangled on her bed
    and a subsequent case and she was an FTA. She
    has described her fear that he would get right back
    out and finish your off. That's why she was in
    ft A. Failure to appear, So what failure to appear?
    That means nothing to me. That's why we have investigators

    (20:10):
    go find her. That's not hard to say this. If
    we go fine, easy, But wait a minute. Take there
    there's more, because I want to hear your whole opinion.
    That was the DA's fault, not the judges. But then
    the judges pile on because they give him The DA

    (20:32):
    asked for a million dollar bond and they go n
    and they give him a low bond. He has access
    to money, a lot of money, and he walks so
    both of them are guilty, and I don't care how
    much they're like, oh, we screwed it up. Yeah you did.
    Because Kate is dead. You can think about that tonight

    (20:54):
    when you try to go to sleep. It's on you.
    That's the truth there, man.

    Speaker 9 (21:01):
    I really do want to stress a couple of things.
    And I represent judges, and I represented as sitting elected
    district attorneys, and so I am sympathetic with their position. However,
    here I think there is as exactly if you described.

    Speaker 1 (21:18):
    To be sympathetic.

    Speaker 9 (21:21):
    Yeah, yeah, I know what I'm saying. It came from
    my client's interests. But I also take on judges when
    they make mistakes. It just got one recused from Savannah's
    probate court last week because he should not be close
    to a bitch. And I take on judges when they
    make a mistake, and I take on district attorneys when
    they make a mistake.

    Speaker 1 (21:38):
    This this is not an infomercial for the Take Law group.
    Can we focus on this case.

    Speaker 9 (21:45):
    What I'm saying is that judges and district attorneys should
    be held accountable when they make mistakes. This is a
    mistake that should terrify any victim of domestic violence and
    the fact that another victim just walked away. They we
    know the tests showed, the studies show that victims of
    domestic violence don't come to court. They frequently failed to

    (22:07):
    prosecute their cases. It's in the district attorney's discretion how
    they go forward.

    Speaker 7 (22:12):
    A really sophisticated approach to the case would have been
    to try to.

    Speaker 11 (22:16):
    Put it all on with video evidence. That is not
    usually an easy thing to do. I would say, with
    twenty twenty hindsight, it's something that could have been done,
    and I own that. I mean, ultimately, the buck stops here.
    It's now my job to throw other people under the bus.

    Speaker 7 (22:36):
    If there's a key decision that is poor, and I
    believe that that was an incorrect decision, then we have
    to own it and we have to.

    Speaker 5 (22:44):
    Try to do better.

    Speaker 1 (22:51):
    Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

    Speaker 12 (22:57):
    Kate to Scott's Human Remains with two weeks after she
    went message.

    Speaker 7 (23:02):
    During new charges being brought against Key on king Arson
    causing catastrophe, conspiracy, authorized use of an automobile, receiving still
    on property, reckless endangerment of another person, tampering with evidence.

    Speaker 1 (23:16):
    Wait a minute, I heard additional charges. I didn't hear
    that very special word murder arson definitely receiving. Who cares?
    Kata Scott was murdered, according to Joe Holden joining us
    from CBS News Philly, within twenty minutes after she gets

    (23:39):
    into the car of the alleged perpetrator. But tonight a
    more disturbing question. Is there someone out there that actually
    thought it was a good idea to help murder Kata
    Scott so there wouldn't be witnesses and or dispose of

    (24:01):
    her body.

    Speaker 4 (24:02):
    Listen, at this point, we do have reason to believe
    that other people may have been involved after the fact,
    at the point where the Hyundai Accent is on scene
    on video at the rec center leading up to all
    the events we're talking about the other car, the Toyota
    is there as well, and we believe the people in
    these vehicles are working together.

    Speaker 1 (24:22):
    Is that why Joe Holden that law enforcement believes there
    is an accomplice? Maybe after the fact, maybe not. I
    don't know the extent of the accomplice's involvement. But there's
    two cars. He wasn't driving both of them, or was
    he driving both of them at two different times? Who
    do the two cars belong to? Why are they saying

    (24:46):
    Bob shell, there's an accomplice. It thinks it's a good
    idea to bury a Miss USA hopeful behind an abandoned
    middle school.

    Speaker 5 (24:56):
    So we don't know what kind of help he's getting.
    You've you're ringing a bell that's going off in all
    of our minds is where is the homicide charge. We've
    not seen it. We've only heard that they are working
    on bringing that case. So instead of that case, we
    have now what is an arson charge and there's also
    a conspiracy charge attached to it, So they're right in lies.

    (25:22):
    Who's the helper? Also about this tipster that leads them
    back to this property on Saturday. We don't even have
    a sense that investigators have an identity on the tipster.
    Lots of sources telling us this has to be someone
    in Keon King's tight knit circle here, his group, someone
    he knows, maybe a family member. We are scratching at

    (25:47):
    the surface here, Hey.

    Speaker 1 (25:49):
    Guys, this video is from Joe's station, CBS Philly. Joe question,
    how soon after the ten thousand dollars reward was announce
    bounced did someone give a tip?

    Speaker 5 (26:04):
    Pretty immediately? There was Wednesday of last week and the
    family was offering a tip. I believe it was slightly
    under ten thousand at that moment. So then the call
    comes into nine Poet one to check the middle school property.
    And then by Saturday the reward was increasing. I believe
    it had reached maybe twelve thousand dollars. And an email

    (26:26):
    comes in to one of the you know, Philadelphia Police
    Department's tip lines, you know, a tip server, I guess, saying,
    go back, go back to the middle school. Oh when
    you have to look here.

    Speaker 1 (26:38):
    Well, you know, apparently Mark Tate, veteran trial lawyer, defense attorney,
    there is no honor amongst thieves.

    Speaker 9 (26:47):
    Nope, I agree totally. If somebody's fat's in the fire,
    they're going to grab you and bring bring you with them.
    So sure there's an accomplice that appears pretty obvious, because
    we don't think that Kean King is going to turn
    himself in or give any tips to try to find
    this lady. Obviously, somebody, in my opinion, from my experience,

    (27:07):
    assisted in disposing of this body, and I'm afraid that
    they maybe felt guilty and wanted to try to get
    out of it in some fashion.

    Speaker 1 (27:16):
    Translation, they wanted that ten thousand dollars reward, and.

    Speaker 9 (27:21):
    They wanted the ten thousand dollars. You know, ten thousand
    dollars can change some people's lives. And so I think that.

    Speaker 1 (27:29):
    So much funny the gul that helped bury her body,
    that police then dug out with their bare hands through
    the maggots called in because they were guilty. And what
    a coink You think a coincidence that for you that

    (27:50):
    it was right after the reward was announced.

    Speaker 9 (27:55):
    I agree with you, Like I said, you know, you thieves.
    If somebody's in trouble, If somebody's in trouble and they
    think they can give you up and get themselves out
    of trouble or less trouble than what the otherwise would be,
    they're gonna snitch. These are not honorable people. These are
    absolutely the lowest. These aren't like you know, people who
    are going to protect each other out of any kind

    (28:15):
    of loyalty. There's no loyalty. You're going to get it.

    Speaker 1 (28:21):
    I'm going to throw this to Brian Fitzgibbons because you'll
    probably deny it, and then I'll ask doctor Jerry land
    Utter about it. Fitzgibbons, You've investigated a lot of cases,
    and I know this is going to sound crazy to
    a lot of people. That have not been in our shoes.
    Have you ever walked into a group of defendants, like

    (28:42):
    on a crime scene and you can just feel the evil?
    It's just a feeling. After all the years I investigated
    and prosecuted, it really only happened a couple of times
    where you walk in and it's like the hair goes
    up on the back of your neck and on your arms.
    You can sense it. You can sense a feeling of

    (29:05):
    just evil. Talking about no honor among thieves. I mean, really,
    come on, fitz Gibbons, how hard is it going to
    be to trace the IP of the email the Internet provider? Please?

    Speaker 8 (29:19):
    This is a very simple process for law enforcement to conduct.
    Number One, they get a subpoena to the ISP, and
    they get that full email header and they unmask the
    location of where this email came from. It would take
    a pretty nuanced person to hide that email from them,
    and I believe that they can do this pretty rapidly.

    Speaker 1 (29:40):
    To Doctor Jerry Lynn Utter joining US a clinical psychologist
    specializing and evaluations and assessments for people in the criminal
    justice system. She's the author of mainlining Philly regarding drug
    addiction and aftershock. I mean, do you sort of utter nonsense.

    (30:01):
    That's a documentary exploring addiction, not a genrealine an utter
    thank you for being with us. Question what Ghul thinks
    it's okay to put a beautiful young girl, brilliant graduate
    at Penn State, that's not easy, and bury her in

    (30:23):
    a shallow grave behind an abandoned middle school and just
    for good measure, covered up with a board that's going
    to stop at a dab or dog and walk away
    and feel okay with that.

    Speaker 13 (30:37):
    Whoever is involved, if there is an accomplice like Joe
    Holdensane in moving her body or burying her, this is
    somebody that has a similar psychopathy or personality trait as
    kan King himself. So to your point that you made
    earlier about the hair standing up on the back of
    your neck when I heard that, that same exact thing

    (30:57):
    happened to me. Because the group that mister King is within,
    in the circle of accomplices that he works within, have
    a similar mindset as he does. So you know, they
    probably didn't really see miss Scott much as as a
    human being. This was somebody that they were burying in
    order to please Keon or to help Keon. So the

    (31:18):
    psychopathy is similar, and that you're dealing with folks that
    are sociopathic. So anybody that is going to work to
    do that probably has a similar personality organization as mister Kink.
    The other alternative nancy, which you probably aren't going to
    want to hear, is that maybe the accomplished or person
    may have been under some type of coercive control, afraid
    of him, afraid of retaliation from him. That's also an option,

    (31:42):
    but I feel as though it's more you know, people
    that are floating in the same circle as he is
    and also have the same type of mindset as he does.

    Speaker 4 (31:49):
    In our office approved charges as the DAE just said
    of arson causing catastrophe, conspiracy, unauthorized use of an automobile,
    tampering with evidence, recklessly endangering another person, and receive a
    stolen property. Those charges are in reference to the burning
    of a vehicle. That vehicle is a two thousand and

    (32:10):
    eight black Hyundai accent.

    Speaker 2 (32:12):
    Kata with deeply loved, her light, kindness and beautiful spirit
    will forever remain in our hearts. Our family now seeks
    justice for Kata.

    Speaker 5 (32:20):
    Kada Scott mattered, her life.

    Speaker 1 (32:22):
    Matters a second car. Does that indicate is that the
    proof of an accomplished some ghoul that thought it was
    okay to throw the body of a miss USA hopeful
    into a shallow grave or dig the grave and then
    just walk away. I not think another thing about it. Okay,

    (32:46):
    you're hearing about arson charges. Where's that coming from? Listen?

    Speaker 4 (32:51):
    There was a nine one one call that a vehicle
    was on fire, so police did respond to it. The
    fire department response responded to it, ruled it an arson,
    and that at that point when they were finished with
    their investigation, the car was it was demolished, it was burned,
    so it was taken in, towed and compacted.

    Speaker 1 (33:06):
    From our friends at CBS Philly and speaking off straight
    out to Joe Holden, tell me about the car fire.
    It seems disconnected, but it is very connected. Man probably
    won't get any evidence from it. But who does it
    belong to? What do we know?

    Speaker 5 (33:24):
    It was stolen? It was stolen on October third, so
    that is the day before Kata Scott was missing. And
    then we know once she goes missing, it's twenty minutes
    later that police sources believe that she has killed. But
    then that is the car seen on video from the
    rec center that sits next to the middle school that
    Kean King is removing Kata Scott from the Hondai accent

    (33:50):
    two thousand and eight Hondai accent. Then she's placed on the.

    Speaker 1 (33:54):
    Middle shape because you got him up again. I need
    to understand exactly what he's saying, Joe Holten and tell
    me that one more time.

    Speaker 5 (34:02):
    Car stolen on October third, Kata Scott who is missing
    on October fourth, and then the car is found burning
    on the street October seventh. Miraculously Philadelphia gets right to
    it and finds the car and takes it off the
    street because it is an abandoned burning car. It goes
    to a junk yard where it is crushed and compacted.

    (34:25):
    We've confirmed that there is no valuable DNA or evidence
    that can be retrieved from that car because it all
    burned up in the fire and was compacted.

    Speaker 1 (34:35):
    But at the time it was taken to a toy
    lot and compacted, crushed, they likely didn't know it was
    connected to Kita.

    Speaker 5 (34:46):
    Absolutely true. And that is where you know they're explaining
    why they can't get you any sort of usable evidence
    from this car because it's destroyed and they do say
    it was They say it was destroyed in the fire.
    So whatever actions happened at the junkyard. It's not like
    they could go back in pieces thing together.

    Speaker 1 (35:06):
    Yeah, I don't know if I believe that, fitz Gibbons.
    Even if a car has been through fire, I don't
    know how much of it was burned. I don't know
    if the handle could have had DNA or fingerprints still
    on it. I don't know if the interior was intact
    in any wami. Without seeing the car, I don't know

    (35:27):
    that we couldn't have gotten a fingerprints. But that's the wood.
    It could have shown up again. Because it's over, it's
    being compacted. You're not going to get anything from it now,
    fitz Gibbons.

    Speaker 8 (35:36):
    This vehicle being compacted makes it nearly impossible. And you know,
    I will say that there are cases after a vehicle
    is burnt that we can recover some physical evidence that
    this is going to speak directly to.

    Speaker 5 (35:50):
    The amount of blood that was present in that vehicle.

    Speaker 1 (35:53):
    Guys, this is what we know about the vehicle. Take
    a listen to the Ada Ashley Taslavsky.

    Speaker 4 (35:58):
    That vehicle was stolen on October third from the area
    of sixty six hundred Sprague Streets.

    Speaker 1 (36:04):
    We believe that vehicle is the vehicle.

    Speaker 5 (36:06):
    That was used in this case.

    Speaker 4 (36:09):
    That vehicle was then on scene at that rec center,
    which ultimately, as we all know, is where we found
    miss Scott's human remains. Video evidence indicates it was on location.
    Video evidence then indicates it leaves the location it is
    burned on October seventh. It was located on the twenty

    (36:29):
    three hundred block of seventy fourth Avenue.

    Speaker 1 (36:32):
    Straight back to CBS Philly Chief investigative reporter and anchor
    Joe Holden, Now, tell me about the video because the
    car is destroyed. I'm not getting anything from that, Okay.
    I would stay up all night fuming if I were
    prosecuting this case. But immediately fallback for a hill, Mary
    the hill? Mary? Is it video? What does the video

    (36:53):
    show about how this car is connected to Cata?

    Speaker 5 (36:57):
    So the video shows the car arrives at that middle
    school property there in East Germantown where Kada is later
    found buried. Just as past weekend, the Toyota that they
    were feverishly searching for a week ago is also there now.
    So Keon King, according to prosecutors and sources, is using

    (37:19):
    both cars in tandem and at times separately. He is
    apparently using someone else to help him with both cars,
    so both cars are in motion so to speak, in
    this investigation. But it is the Hyundai Accent that is
    the car believed to take Kata Scott from her place

    (37:41):
    of work in Chestnut Hill Saturday, October fourth, just moments
    after ten pm than to the middle school property. And
    then that car on video is seen coming and going
    two to three times in the time since October fourth, And.

    Speaker 4 (37:56):
    We recovered additional evidence, including video evidence, that confirms that
    this vehicle we believe is the vehicle that mister Keian
    King used to move Miss Scott. Be recovered video out
    from near the Ada Lewis Middle School where our search
    and the investigator search has been focused. There's a rec

    (38:17):
    center directly next to that school. Video evidences recovered from
    that rec center, and we are now able to say
    that this Hyundai Accent was on location at all of
    the times we're looking at, at all of the pertinent
    points in the investigation.

    Speaker 12 (38:32):
    Kada was kind. She was a kind woman. She was
    kind to our friends, she was kind to our family.
    Cada is someone who could have been our sister, cousin,
    just someone that is a friend or family member in
    our lives, could have been anybody, any.

    Speaker 1 (38:48):
    One of us, I want to go quickly out to
    Dr Thomas Coin guys. He is the chief medical examiner
    district to in the state of Florida, forensic pathologists to psychologist, neuropathologist.
    And it goes on, how are we going to get
    a CD cause of death given the amount of time

    (39:10):
    between Kata's death, her murder and the discovery of her remains.

    Speaker 10 (39:15):
    It really depends upon if sufficient tissue is present still
    on the body that allows us to identify an injury.
    So a decomposition has progressed far enough where most of
    the soft tissues on a neck and on the torso
    or absent, it may be hard to see if she
    was strangled or even stabbed, So they may have to
    employ the help of an anthropologist that can do a

    (39:38):
    little more detailed examination and the skelt and to see
    if there are any fractur so, for instance, a person
    was let's say stabbed, So you may actually.

    Speaker 1 (39:47):
    Can't do that with an X ray.

    Speaker 10 (39:48):
    Coin no, very hard to sometimes see the difference between
    let's say scavenging activity like tooth marks from an animal
    compared to knife mark from a tool. But if you
    were able to actually at the bone. Not only can
    you actually see the knife mark, you can make a
    determination as to whether or not that occurred before death
    as opposed to just artifact after death. And then you

    (40:10):
    can also maybe use that to create a mold to
    compare it to a murder weapon if you actually find one,
    So it gives you a more optional that.

    Speaker 1 (40:18):
    Is predicated doctor coin upon the knife if the knife
    was used kidding a bone exactly.

    Speaker 10 (40:25):
    So that's the difficult part about having a body that's
    found in the ground. If a body's found in the ground, and.

    Speaker 1 (40:33):
    Don't you think the likely cod is going to be
    asphyxiation in.

    Speaker 5 (40:38):
    That car I do.

    Speaker 10 (40:41):
    In this case, I do. And the only thing you
    hope for is that they were The fact that they
    haven't release the cause of death tells me that they
    didn't have sufficient evidence to determine asphyxiation. You know, if
    you strangle a person, if the person is recently deceased,
    you may be able to see bruising in the neck,
    bruising in the neck muscles. Sometimes you can get a
    acture of the thyroid cartilage or a hyoid bone. But

    (41:03):
    in a body that's decomposing outside, you hope that you
    even find a highway bone.

    Speaker 14 (41:07):
    If there is a scavenger buried buried coin buried buried,
    would that preclude quote scavenger activity.

    Speaker 1 (41:20):
    Animals carry her body apart. Let's just put it out there,
    that's what it is. If she were buried coin, then
    I don't know that scavengers had gotten to her.

    Speaker 10 (41:31):
    No, well, flies did, right, so she was covered in maggot.
    So just because she's in the ground in a shallow grade,
    it doesn't mean scavengers can't have access to the body.
    Those chemicals of decomposition voltailized. They're able to be smelled
    animals all around, and there are burying animals that can
    go into the ground. But what I'm saying is that
    even if you strangled her, because she's young, she may
    not have fractures in her neck. All of the injuries

    (41:53):
    may be in soft tissue like bruises, and if that
    tissue is gone from decomposition or maggot.

    Speaker 1 (41:59):
    Actually, let me see him for peace Coin. You can
    see the monitor, right, you can see KATEA. Scott. Does
    it ever bother you? Because it bothers me badly that
    we're talking about animals burrowing into the ground to eat
    her body and tear it apart.

    Speaker 10 (42:18):
    It's hard to separate the dad in me, you know,
    from the doctor. So when I have these cases, I
    have to turn that out. I mean, it certainly does
    bother you when those cases come up to my office.

    Speaker 1 (42:28):
    And this is horrible, Joe, I'm gonna have to quit
    thinking about everything, doctor Thomas Coyn is saying, because I
    know it's all true, and I know he's right, but
    I need to think about the evidence that I can handle.
    How am I going to prove this case and get
    the killer and all of his minions that helped him.

    (42:50):
    Can we talk about cell phone evidence very quickly, Joe holden.

    Speaker 5 (42:53):
    Self, phone evidence places him at all of the permanent locations,
    the District Attorney's office says, in this whole you know
    sort of scheme where it starts on October third with
    the stealing of a car. October fourth, she goes missing,
    and then that car is back and forth a few
    times to this middle school property. Is he moving her?
    Is he doing? What is he trying to conceal further

    (43:14):
    you know, evidence that he's been there. We will wait
    and see the District Attorney's office. Nancy. If you hear
    a lot of how they phrased this. They don't say body,
    they don't stay dead, they don't they're really just a
    degree of respect for Kata Scott, that he moves her,
    that he takes her there. And so we're scratching our
    heads in a lot of the time trying to figure out, well,

    (43:37):
    is she dead as she's being moved. And after all
    of this, we determined we were able to find out
    from our sources twenty minutes after she leaves her work,
    they believe she is killed. So as far as the evidence,
    there's video, there's cell records, and of course, now there
    is this tipster who provided information on two occasions to

    (43:59):
    Philadelphia Pulley. They are actively investigating the person's identity and
    are hoping to uncover the trail that that person provided
    the information that then led police here. That tipster is
    now part of this investigation.

    Speaker 1 (44:11):
    VIDEOCBS Philly as we go to air tonight, the case
    against Kata Scott's killer is being created. The investigation is ongoing.
    If you know or think you know anything about the
    disappearance and death of this beautiful girl, Kata Scott, please

    (44:33):
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    seven seven, We remember American Hero Sergeant Harold Preston, Houston PD,
    shot in the line of duty after forty one years

    (44:54):
    in law enforcement, leaving behind devastated parents. American Hero Sergeant
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