September 9, 2021 • 34 mins
Alex Murdaugh, whose wife and son were found murdered at their South Carolina home, is life-flighted to a hospital after being shot in the head while changing a tire. Now we learn that the knife used to damage that tire, has been found and linked back to Alex Murdaugh. Murdaugh checked himself out of the hospital with a superficial head wound. It's one more twist related to the deaths of Maggie and Paul Murdaugh. Alex Murdaugh resigned from his family's law firm the day before he was shot and is now being investigated for misappropriating funds He has also been suspended from practicing law in South Carolina.
Joining Nancy Grace Today:
- Ashley Willcott - Judge and Trial Attorney, Anchor on Court TV, www.ashleywillcott.com
- Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst, www.drbethanymarshall.com, Netflix show: 'Bling Empire' (Beverly Hills)
- Joe Scott Morgan - Professor of Forensics Jacksonville State University, Author, "Blood Beneath My Feet", Featured on "The Piketon Massacre: Return to Pike County" on iHeartRadio
- Matt Harris - Morning Show Host of The Matt and Ramona Show on 107.9 WLNK (Charlotte, NC), Podcast Host: "The Murdaugh Family Murders: Impact of Influence"
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
As the story unfolds, we are learning more and more
about the so called Murdog murder mystery out of South Carolina.
First of all, it began when Maggie Mother Maggie and
her troubled son Paul found dead at the Murdog estate
they're hunting lodge, both of them shot multiple times. In
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recent days. Her husband Alex, who found the bodies, was
shot himself in the last hours. A bombshell has the
knife that was used to slash the tire of Alex
Murdog's Mercedes SUV been found. This is how the whole
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thing started to take a Listen to our friends at
w ciic niche for Charleston tonight, we are following a
developing story out of Hampton County. According to his lawyer,
Alex Murdoch has been shot in the head, his lawyer
telling us earlier today Murdoch was changing a tire when
a motorist drove past him, then turned around and opened fire.
Were told he's been airlifted at USC and that he
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is currently conscious and breathing. Back in June, Murdoch's wife
and son were killed in a double homicide in Culleton County.
The shooting now being investigated by SLED that is South
Carolina Law Enforcement Division with me an all star panel.
Ashley Wilcott, judge, trial lawyer, Court TV anchor at ash
Wilcott dot com. Doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst joining us out
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of Beverly Hills at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com, Starvenee, Netflix, Hit,
Leeing Empire. Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University,
author of Blood Beneath My Fate on Amazon and start
of a new hit on iHeart the Pike and Massacre.
But first to Matt Harris, morning show host of The
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Matt and Ramona Show on wl K and Charlotte and
the host of a brand new podcast, The Murdoch Family
Murders Impact of Influence. Matt Harris, tell me what's the
story behind the headline. A knife linked to Alex Murdog
has been discovered. That's what Fitznews is reporting that the
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knife used to puncture the tire has been recovered. And
then you say the wording was linked at Alex Murdoch.
So that's all we know at this point. We know
that the kind of tires that Mercy he's been sports
utility have more than likely that are not going to
go flat off a drywall screw or something. It's going
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to take well hold on. It's my understanding that in
those Mercedes SUVs they've got what you have, what you
call extended mobility tires is um a flat drive in
other words, just the new tires that are on high
end vehicles like a Mercedes Suv that when you get
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a flat you can keep driving like twenty five miles
or so. He had those honest Mercedes. I mean when
I looked at the crime scene footage, not the double murder,
but of Alex Mrday getting shot in the head by
an unknown assailant in a pickup truck. When you look
at that scene, there are no tools out to change
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the tire. The sire hasn't been removed from the suv. Well,
come to find out, those tires keep on running. Matt
Harris called run flat tires and he may not even
have a spare. Still trying to figure out that because
a lot of those mercedesuses don't even have a spare. Now.
His attorney originally said he was out changing the tire,
then he released a statement after that said he was
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just inspecting the tire, which would make a big difference
because it wouldn't be a tire there, and blah blah blah,
I just went out to look at it. Still, the
tire had to be more than likely had to be
slashed in order for that kind of tire to go
somewhat flat. Even so you're telling me, Matt Harris, according
to local reporters, the knife used to slash the tire
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has been found. The reporting straight out to forensics expert
Joseph Scott Morgan joining us, how would they be able?
Before I get to the implications of what this means,
that clearly Alex Murdock slashed his tire himself stays the scene. Therefore,
Argo stays his own shooting in the head, which turned
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out to be nearly a scrape. Why would he do that?
But first, let's talk about this knife. How would a
forensic expert such as yourself know that a particular knife
had been used slash a particular tire. Well, you know,
one of the things that we're going to look for, Nancy,
are the dimensions of the actual cutting or slashing or
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puncturing on the surface of the tire. If say it's
a one inch in width. Okay. One of the things
you're going to be looking for, obviously, is do we
have a blade that's within access easy access that could
have generated this specific kind of cut in the tire. Also,
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another way that we look for it is like matching
tool marks. If there is a specific pattern that's left
behind that could be associated, say if the knife was serrated,
it had an edge like a like a traditional state
knife for instance, that's going to leave a different pattern.
And then thirdly, we would use a chemical comparison. Let's say,
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for instance, you have a blade that has taken away
with it some of the rubber from the tire, the
composite that puts this tire together, and you can chemically
match these two things. That's another way that we look
for these sorts of things. But I'm really surprised they're
saying they have linkage here, Nancy. I'm really surprised at
how quickly they turned this around. I'm thinking that it's
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some other reason other than this. Well, I know this much.
Ashley Wilcott joining me anchor Court TV. Ashley, they're the same.
It was very easy to observe SLED South Carolina a
law enforcement division out in the weeds on either side
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of that two lane with a metal detector. A knife
would have turned up with a metal detector, you would think,
so right, And that's exactly what I think they were
looking for, some kind of tools, some kind of something
that caused that. The other thing I have to say
to you, though, Nancy, the other aspect of this that
I would consider is think about if somebody split slashed
your tire with a knife. Well enough, you wouldn't even
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get out of your driveway right because your tire would
be flat. As soon as you start driving, you would
realize that your tires completely flat. Now, if it's a
little bit of a puncture wound caused by a knife,
maybe it starts to go down gradually. But there's that
part of the forensics I would want to know as well.
And again, this suv Mercedes had what we call a
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run flat or a flat drive. In other words, once
you flat, you can keep driving again on a tire
like that specifically designed for you to drive on it
after it goes flat. And this particular suv you can
reportedly drive fifty miles on a run flat. He was
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seven miles from home and just you know, out of curiosity.
Even in my beat at minivan, when I turn it on,
if one of the tires has a flat, a red
mark comes up, a red sign comes up on the tire.
I mean, anybody I can figure out, Wow, there's something
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wrong with that tire because his blinking red and his
picture right in front of my face. So how did
he miss that? Doctor Bethany Marshall, help me out. You're
the shrink. Maybe we name one. You know, there is
so much turmoil just swirling around this family. I am
not surprised that Sled was out there in the field
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with a metal detector as soon as all of this
went down. I mean, the guy seems really calculated. From
the time his twenty two year old son was implicated
in a friend's death, from the time his wife and son,
you know, we're killed with multiple gunshot wounds, it seems
like here's just like a little fly buzzing in the
back of his head saying, how can I get out
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of this? How can I get out of this? And
you know, to fain a flat tire, to sain being
shot in the head. I mean, those are such obvious
ways to extricate oneself from a crime. It's like all
of the people we've covered over the years who whites
or spouse the short missing, and all of a sudden
they say, oh, I tried to kill myself, and then
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they have scratches all over their wrists. So I just
see like a whole story unfolding where he's trying to
think himself out of a box here Nancy, and he's
just not doing a very good job. No, he's not
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Crime stories with Nancy Grace. This regarding the knife is
almost lost at the sauce with as Dr Bethany Marshall says,
so much swirling around Alex Murnogue. But what does he
say happened exactly when he claims truck drives by on
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this lonely stretch of rural road, does he uee comes
back and shoots him in the head? Take a listen
to our friend Eva Pilgrim at GMA. Alec Murdoch was
changing a tire on the side of the road in
rural Hampton County Saturday when a car passed him, turned
around and someone shot him in the head. He was
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airlifted to a hospital in Charleston. We are told he
is conscious and speaking. Murdoch's brother was sitting down with
us back in June. Did they have any enemy's I
really don't know if any enemies. You hear all this
talk on the social media with regard to Paul, But
I don't know if anybody no that would truly it
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would truly be an enemy. I truly want to harm him. Okay,
So who took a shot at him? And why? Straight
back out to Matt Harris joining us w l K
Matt in the last hours. Alex Murdock has also been
booted from his law firm. He claimed he resigned, but
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the reality is they kicked him out for what they
say is misappropriation of over one million dollars of the
law firm's money. Some reports say up to eight digits,
okay or more? What do you know? They Friday they
confronted him. This is the Friday before he was shot
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in the head, but it didn't come out till later.
They confronted him about the drug uses, about the money,
and there was some sort of confrontation, but he didn't leave.
And then just yesterday, the day before, the bar has
kicked him out. To the money thing is all interesting
because if he indeed was doing this, that he's accused of.
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It all lines up with things we had heard over
the past week or so where there was accounting being
done by Maggie before she died to find out where
money was and I got that from two different sources.
And also when Maggie and Paul were shot, it was
only three days before there was going to be a
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hearing about the boating accident with the killed Mallory Beach.
And in that boating accident, and that hearing they would
to talk about money and funds and net worth and
that sort of thing. So they would have been digging
into money three days after the homicides of Maggie and Paul.
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So let me understand this. Matt Harris joining us W
l n K three days after the two bodies are
found magg and Paul. A trial was going forward on
criminal charges of Paul Murdoch's part and driving drunk on
a boat for Mallory Beach nineteen is thrown overboard. Yes,
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thank you. Civil trial. During that civil trial evidence would
be uncovered regarding the net worth of the Murdoch family.
Is that right at its correct? It was a hearing
pre trial hearing. Yes, as a matter of fact, take
a listen to this into the Associated Press. The law
firm Alex worked for claims that the lawyer was taking
money from the business. That statement coming from Pmpeed Law Firm,
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and it came just hours after Murdoch said that he
was resigning and entering rehab. The firm says it will
hire an accounting firm to fully review its books. It
didn't say how much money might be missing, but says
Murdoch was no longer associated with them in any way. Guys,
you're hearing our friends at NBC News ten to doctor
Bethany Marshall psychoanalysts joining us or Bethany Marshall. We have
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heard stories of, for instance, during the crash, people would
jump out of windows and kill themselves because they didn't
have their money anymore. What do you make of this?
His law firm has given him the boot. Now the
South Carolina Bar Association has joined in. Now we learn that,
according to the New York Times and the AP, that
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Murdoch had siphoned off over a million dollars. Nancy, I
think it's more likely not that he wanted to suicide
or prematurely end his life because he had lost so
much money, but that the news was tightening around his neck.
He seems to be a bad actor in so many
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areas of his life, from covering up for his son,
to maybe hiding from his wife Maggie, who was doing
the accounting for the family, and from the firm. She
may not have known how much money he was siphoning
off to defrauding his business partners. And this went back intergenerationally.
As you can see, the Murdoch's family was a very
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powerful family, so he was raised in a family milieu
where people got away with things. And this may well
be Nancy the first time in his life where were
they called that chickens are coming home to roost? Where
he was getting into trouble. You know, when you have
a history of continually getting away with things, of acting entitled,
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stealing money from other people, covering up for your child,
and then all of a sudden people start to close
in on you, whether it's the sais, whether it's the
local police, whether it's the accounting at his local law firm.
He may not have had the constitution for taking responsibility
for himself. And I think that's what we're seeing is
a very very desperate man just scheming and scheming as
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to how he can get, how he can get out
of crime and punishment at this point, and who knows
what else is lurking between the surface. Who knows what
else this man has done and what's going to come
out in the upcoming days. I want to circle back
to Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, regarding the subtle but
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significant change in wording. At the beginning, we were told
that Alex Murdag was out changing a flat. Then it
got to inspecting a flat and I find that very
significant because of trajectory path of the bullet on his head. Explain, Yeah,
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you're right, Nancy, I'm glad you picked up on this.
You know, if you if you think about the act
of actually changing the tire, most people are squatted on
the ground, aren't they. You know, they're using a wrench,
they're trying to take the tire off. This sort of thing.
Inspecting is completely different. That means you can kind of
bend at your waist and look at it when you
begin to think about this gunshot wound that he sustained.
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If you're squatted down the trajectory from a remember this
person was allegedly firing from a truck, which is going
to be at a higher elevation, They're gonna be firing
from above to below. If he is inspecting that means
he can rise to his feet or come fully erect
and they're firing straight on. You know, maybe he hadn't
accounted for that, Nancy, Maybe you know, and some wild,
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wild fantasy thought that he could get away with that.
If in fact that is what has happened. By taking
this weapon and firing it and giving kind of a
graze wound here, the trajectory is going to be completely off.
It completely changes the complexion of the investigation. Right, you
can tell from the trajectory path whether if he were
squatted by the car trying to change tire and the
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bullet came from above from within a truck driving by,
the trajectory path would have been back to front, top
to bottom. That's how it would have happened. Please, Yes,
one more thing about this that I find very fascinating.
You realize that these statements relative to the changing of
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the tires, this gunshot wound. None the stuff is coming
from sled. None of this stuff is coming from the
local law enforcement. Who's this coming from. This is coming
from his attorney. Okay, and so now he's going to
be sequestered away somewhearing this drug rehab thing that he's
going to. And the only thing, the only comment that
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we have thus far is from the attorney his mouthpiece.
Another thing I noticed, and jump in Astley Willcott. Not
only will the trajectory path of that bullet reveal whether
he was shot from someone above him in a truck
while he squatted down changing attire. Then that didn't work.
Then the wording changed from changing attire to inspecting attire.
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I think it also had to do with plausibility, because
once we all got onto the fact that this is
a Mercedes SUV that has a run flat an extended
mobility tire, you don't have to change for fifty miles
when he goes to flat, and suddenly the word is out,
he didn't have to change attire. He's seven miles from home.
So instead of changing that tire, oh, it makes more
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sense to say I was inspecting it. So it may
be just to work on credibility. They probably haven't even
taken to into a out the trajectory path of the bullet.
This is what I love about you, Nancy Grace. Lots
of things, but this one. You will always notice these
little small details because the narrative has changed. And you're
absolutely right. When does the narrative change? Like Joe Scott said,
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he is now a person of interest, all right. So
he tells his attorney the version of the story. Well
then they realize, oh wait, this new car that doesn't
really fit. Let's change the wording. The narrative is being
driven by the attorney for him. The other thing two
things I have to say, you say it follow the
money and desperate man, and those two things mean that
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they're now looking at this differently. Climb stories with Nancy Grace.
If people in the crash would jump out of windows
of skyscrapers in New York City just because they're out
of money, what will someone do if their law firm
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is onto them for embezzling millions, their wife is onto it,
she's asked for her own accounting. According to sources there
in the area, the house of cards is falling in
and about seventy two hours there's going to be a
court hearing where assets are delved into under oath. So
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how does this all come about? Because we've got to
follow this theory through to its logical conclusion, if Alex
Murdock did puncture his own tire, if he did shoot
himself claiming he was shot by someone in a pickup truck,
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it wasn't a botched suicide because why would you need
to stab the tire. That's the big question right now.
This is what happened that fateful afternoon. Take a listen
to our cut three in This is justin Beagle Live
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five News WCSC new information on the shooting of Alex
Murdoch in Hampton County. According to the South Carolina Law
Enforced Division or SLED, Murdoch called the Hampton County Dispatch
at one thirty Saturday afternoon. In that call, SLED says
Murdoch told dispatchers he had been shot on Old Soakahatchee
Road near Varneville. According to SLED, Murdoch was flown to
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Memorial Health University Medical Center in Savannah for a superficial
gunshot wound to the head. They say officers were called
in to lead the investigation by the Hampton County Sheriff's office.
The shooting of Alex Murdoch comes nearly three months after
his son and his wife were both found shot in
Colleton County one thirty in the afternoon, unknown assailant comes
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along the shoots him in the head. He miraculously lives
from a head gunshot wound and he is airlifted to
a Memorial Medical Now mmh and Savannah for a band aid.
Immediately put himself in rehab. Matt Harris joining me from
WL and Okay, you know the other morning when you
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and I were talking about were there any was there
any video surveillance. I know it's a very rural road,
but I was asking at either end to the intersection,
was there a business, was there a red light that
might have security video? And sledbetter trot on over there
and get that video. What's the very latest Matt Harris? Well,
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as we were talking today, we like we looked it
up and I got it figured out there. Sure it
is Saint John's Baptist. I remember when you told me yep,
and I understand that the NBC's reporting that Sled went
there and did indeed get a video. Could you bring
it down? Tell me that again, very slowly, Okay, say
that the church is I'm gonna get It's like the
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fifteen he was shot twenty block and the church is
the next block over, but it's not really a block
because it's blonged straight away. But the church is there's
a big church, as you noticed when we were talking
about it, we pulled up the photos. And now I
hear that the NBC has reported that SPLED got video
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from that church. Two. Joe Scott Morgan, Professor forensics. If
this is true, okay, I give you all the credit,
Matt Harris, because when I was talking about is there
a red light stuff? Is there a ring video? Is
there a red light video? Is there a business at
either end with the video? You're the one that figured
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out Saint John's Baptist Church would be toward the end,
not that far away of the incident. And yes, this
was on a Saturday afternoon, but those video surveillance cameras
often run twenty four seven, three sixty five. So Joe
Scott Morgan, what if anything would SLED be looking for
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on that video? A truck perhaps? Oh? Yeah, they put
the jackpot here, Nancy. If in fact they have recovered
videography that details that road out there that passes by
the church. And let me tell you why that video
is going to be timestamp. You take that and you
combine it with the information that they're going to have
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off of his phone when this call was initiated back
into the nine one one center, and you can actually
extrapolate the timeframe for which a truck would have passed
in front of that camera. Okay, because you have him
calling in, I would assume that he's calling in saying
I've been shot. We haven't heard that sound yet, but
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I've been shot. It was a truck, that sort of thing.
He's given this information, and that's detailed information that you
can look and see and validate it. These would be
the encamp not just that way, but also with the
top and so you're oriented on two separate locations on
the timeline, and this is going to be damning information.
Maybe he didn't count on it. I don't know, but
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there's not a lot of traffic on this road, Nancy.
It's a two lane country road out in the middle
of nowhere. It would be argued that that's why it
was selected, because it's in the middle of nowhere, a
very long, circuitous route between Varneville and Charleston, when he
could have just gone point A to point B. Hey,
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this is what they'll argue. This is what would be argued.
And again, no one has been arrested, no one has
been named a suspect at all, including Alex Murdoch. We
are talking about his story that he was shot in
the head by an unknown assailant when he was out
changing slash inspecting his car on a rural route. Is
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that true? He put it out there and we're picking
it apart. So this would be the response, Joe Scott, Oh,
the assailant. I didn't tell you which way they came.
They didn't come the church way. They came the other way.
There you get. Yeah, but if he made the shoe turn,
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if he made the shoe turn, Nancy, there is still
a high likelihood that they could have come from the
other direction as well. The church would have picked it up.
There's only one way in one I mean two ways in,
two ways out. I don't think that he could have that.
You can argue that definitively before a jury and have
them actually buy into it. I think it's a stretch. Well,
this is what I would argue to a jury, Ashley Willcott,
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if I were prosecuting, I would say, yeah, but there
is a way in on this end and a way
in to the shooting on this end, it's fifty fifty.
Who do you believe? I just I wouldn't try to
hide it. I'd put it to him just the way
it is. Yeah, because remember, you're going to be able, Nancy,
You're going to be able to show motives. And so
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when you say okay at fifty fifty, that's great. But
when you add the other circumstances that we're learning about,
the money trail, the deception, the number of different deaths, right,
at what point is it not coincidence? At what point
you have a horrible tragedy that his son was driving drunk.
That's not the tragedy. There was a death in that
as a result of his son's actions, and then his
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wife and son are murdered, and now he shot in
the head. It starts to add up, and not in
a good way for him. The only thing we're missing
is a mistress who just said that knock on what Nancy,
knock on? Dodger Bethany, you know you're all up in it.
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Climb stories with Nancy Grace, we are learning that the
South Carolina who climbs he was shot in the head
by an unknown assailant after his son and wife were murdered,
also shot in the head, has not only been kicked
out off his law firm for allegedly misappropriating funds, the
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South Carolina Bar Association has gotten in on it. Take
a listen to our friends at ABC eleven. Twist in
the mystery surrounding a double murder involving a prominent family
from South Carolina. Alex Murder, whose wife and some were
killed in June and who called nine one one over
the weekend saying he was shot in the head, is
now breaking his silence, releasing a statement saying, the murders
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of my wife and son have caused an incredibly difficult
time in my life. I've made a lot of decisions
that I truly regret. I'm resigning from my law firm
and entering rehab after a long battle that has been
exacerbated by these murders. I'm immensely sorry to everyone I've heard,
including my family, friends and colleagues, and now ABC News
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learning Alex has resigned from his family law firm after
it was discovered he had appropriated money from the firm.
On Saturday, Alex was airlifted to the hospital after calling
police to say he'd been shot in the head in
broad daylight while he was changing attire on the side
of the road. Authorities say he suffered a superficial gunshot
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wound to the head. He's now out of the hospital
and entering rehab. It's unclear what kind of rehab. Back
in June, Alex called nine one one saying he had
found the bodies of his wife, Maggie and twenty two
year old son Paul at the family's hunting lodge. Now,
the South Carolina bar has kicked him out, but let
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me point out, is only an interim suspension, and Murdoch
himself consented to the order. He has been suspended from
practicing law interim. And Ashley Willcott, it's my understanding. Why
do they love throwing around legal phrases, Latin phrases, interimains
for right now, like an intermission, intermittent. It's not permanent,
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you're understanding, Ashley, that's absolutely what it is. Fancy and
the reason that that's important. Two things I want to
point out. Yes, you're right, it's introim, but it's also
his choice. He went to them proactively. He's smart. I
would do the same thing if I were God forbid.
And these circumstances, which I never expect to be but
because it's his control. Again, who's controlling the narrative? He is?
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And how is he controlling the narrative? All right? Just
because there are all these circumstances and I'm not at
faults and I'm not guilty, but just to make it
easier for everyone, I'll do the right thing and proactively.
I don't know that he give the suspension. Why do
you believe he asked for an Ashley? I don't know,
but you can do. I don't think he because I
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understand that he consented to the suspension, and I was
curious as to the standard of proof you need to
go before a state bar and say, look, he stole
money from the farm, because there has been no hearing
at all. But I do know this the South Carolina
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Bar Association. The Supreme Court stated, quote upon receipt, if
sufficient evidence demonstrating a lawyer poses a substantial, substantial threat
a serious harm to the public or the administration of justice,
the Supreme Court may place the lawyer on intraim suspension. Now,
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I don't know that they got evidence to make a
permanent finding, but I think the law firm presented them
with evidence. I mean, what do you know, Matt, how
did he get suspended from law practice? I do not
know how that. I mean the law firm said right
away that they had gone straight to the bar, gone
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straight to law enforcement, and they had made sure that
they were on top of this because I'm sure that
they don't want to be right with him any law. Yes,
is it the law firm, his own family's law. So yeah,
but there are other lawyers in it, because when your
own family turned against you, you know, it really says
that there a lot through speaking of lawyers, Doctor Bethany,
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your points were all taken. Then he has family members
in the law firm. It was founded by I think
his grandfather. But his lawyer, Jim Griffin says that, quote,
this type of order is standard in cases where there
are credible allegations of misappropriation of client funds or when
the lawyers incapacitated due to substance abuse. So is he
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setting up some sort of substance abuse defense? But back
to you, Matt, Harris joined us l n K. Again,
we are dissecting facts as we learned them. Alex Murlock
has not been charged. He has not been accused of wrongdoing.
He is not a person of interest or suspect in
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Maggie and Paul's murders. Let's talk about his gunshot wound
to the head and what does it mean A. Was
it self inflicted? B if so, was it a botched
suicide attempt or an attempt to deflect focus off him
suggesting that his wife and son's killer came back for him.
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Let's think it through. You know one thing as well
as anyone. I've talked to attorney a couple at Journeys
yesterday for doing the podcast, and messing with trust is
one of the things that you yeah in law school, right,
don't the bar association. Let's you get away with forcing
your clients into sex as payment just all sorts a
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bad dealing. But you mess with money, you are out.
The lawyers do not tolerate you messing with their money.
That's exactly right. And so the hammer would calm down,
swift and heavy quickly. So let's follow this through to
its logical conclusion. What if this was self flicted? Fly,
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where was this shot fired? We'll find out. Nancy Grace
Combs story signing off, Goodbye friend,
As the story unfolds, we are learning more and more
about the so called Murdog murder mystery out of South Carolina.
First of all, it began when Maggie Mother Maggie and
her troubled son Paul found dead at the Murdog estate
they're hunting lodge, both of them shot multiple times. In
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recent days. Her husband Alex, who found the bodies, was
shot himself in the last hours. A bombshell has the
knife that was used to slash the tire of Alex
Murdog's Mercedes SUV been found. This is how the whole
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thing started to take a Listen to our friends at
w ciic niche for Charleston tonight, we are following a
developing story out of Hampton County. According to his lawyer,
Alex Murdoch has been shot in the head, his lawyer
telling us earlier today Murdoch was changing a tire when
a motorist drove past him, then turned around and opened fire.
Were told he's been airlifted at USC and that he
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is currently conscious and breathing. Back in June, Murdoch's wife
and son were killed in a double homicide in Culleton County.
The shooting now being investigated by SLED that is South
Carolina Law Enforcement Division with me an all star panel.
Ashley Wilcott, judge, trial lawyer, Court TV anchor at ash
Wilcott dot com. Doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst joining us out
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of Beverly Hills at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com, Starvenee, Netflix, Hit,
Leeing Empire. Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University,
author of Blood Beneath My Fate on Amazon and start
of a new hit on iHeart the Pike and Massacre.
But first to Matt Harris, morning show host of The
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Matt and Ramona Show on wl K and Charlotte and
the host of a brand new podcast, The Murdoch Family
Murders Impact of Influence. Matt Harris, tell me what's the
story behind the headline. A knife linked to Alex Murdog
has been discovered. That's what Fitznews is reporting that the
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knife used to puncture the tire has been recovered. And
then you say the wording was linked at Alex Murdoch.
So that's all we know at this point. We know
that the kind of tires that Mercy he's been sports
utility have more than likely that are not going to
go flat off a drywall screw or something. It's going
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to take well hold on. It's my understanding that in
those Mercedes SUVs they've got what you have, what you
call extended mobility tires is um a flat drive in
other words, just the new tires that are on high
end vehicles like a Mercedes Suv that when you get
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a flat you can keep driving like twenty five miles
or so. He had those honest Mercedes. I mean when
I looked at the crime scene footage, not the double murder,
but of Alex Mrday getting shot in the head by
an unknown assailant in a pickup truck. When you look
at that scene, there are no tools out to change
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the tire. The sire hasn't been removed from the suv. Well,
come to find out, those tires keep on running. Matt
Harris called run flat tires and he may not even
have a spare. Still trying to figure out that because
a lot of those mercedesuses don't even have a spare. Now.
His attorney originally said he was out changing the tire,
then he released a statement after that said he was
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just inspecting the tire, which would make a big difference
because it wouldn't be a tire there, and blah blah blah,
I just went out to look at it. Still, the
tire had to be more than likely had to be
slashed in order for that kind of tire to go
somewhat flat. Even so you're telling me, Matt Harris, according
to local reporters, the knife used to slash the tire
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has been found. The reporting straight out to forensics expert
Joseph Scott Morgan joining us, how would they be able?
Before I get to the implications of what this means,
that clearly Alex Murdock slashed his tire himself stays the scene. Therefore,
Argo stays his own shooting in the head, which turned
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out to be nearly a scrape. Why would he do that?
But first, let's talk about this knife. How would a
forensic expert such as yourself know that a particular knife
had been used slash a particular tire. Well, you know,
one of the things that we're going to look for, Nancy,
are the dimensions of the actual cutting or slashing or
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puncturing on the surface of the tire. If say it's
a one inch in width. Okay. One of the things
you're going to be looking for, obviously, is do we
have a blade that's within access easy access that could
have generated this specific kind of cut in the tire. Also,
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another way that we look for it is like matching
tool marks. If there is a specific pattern that's left
behind that could be associated, say if the knife was serrated,
it had an edge like a like a traditional state
knife for instance, that's going to leave a different pattern.
And then thirdly, we would use a chemical comparison. Let's say,
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for instance, you have a blade that has taken away
with it some of the rubber from the tire, the
composite that puts this tire together, and you can chemically
match these two things. That's another way that we look
for these sorts of things. But I'm really surprised they're
saying they have linkage here, Nancy. I'm really surprised at
how quickly they turned this around. I'm thinking that it's
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some other reason other than this. Well, I know this much.
Ashley Wilcott joining me anchor Court TV. Ashley, they're the same.
It was very easy to observe SLED South Carolina a
law enforcement division out in the weeds on either side
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of that two lane with a metal detector. A knife
would have turned up with a metal detector, you would think,
so right, And that's exactly what I think they were
looking for, some kind of tools, some kind of something
that caused that. The other thing I have to say
to you, though, Nancy, the other aspect of this that
I would consider is think about if somebody split slashed
your tire with a knife. Well enough, you wouldn't even
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get out of your driveway right because your tire would
be flat. As soon as you start driving, you would
realize that your tires completely flat. Now, if it's a
little bit of a puncture wound caused by a knife,
maybe it starts to go down gradually. But there's that
part of the forensics I would want to know as well.
And again, this suv Mercedes had what we call a
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run flat or a flat drive. In other words, once
you flat, you can keep driving again on a tire
like that specifically designed for you to drive on it
after it goes flat. And this particular suv you can
reportedly drive fifty miles on a run flat. He was
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seven miles from home and just you know, out of curiosity.
Even in my beat at minivan, when I turn it on,
if one of the tires has a flat, a red
mark comes up, a red sign comes up on the tire.
I mean, anybody I can figure out, Wow, there's something
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wrong with that tire because his blinking red and his
picture right in front of my face. So how did
he miss that? Doctor Bethany Marshall, help me out. You're
the shrink. Maybe we name one. You know, there is
so much turmoil just swirling around this family. I am
not surprised that Sled was out there in the field
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with a metal detector as soon as all of this
went down. I mean, the guy seems really calculated. From
the time his twenty two year old son was implicated
in a friend's death, from the time his wife and son,
you know, we're killed with multiple gunshot wounds, it seems
like here's just like a little fly buzzing in the
back of his head saying, how can I get out
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of this? How can I get out of this? And
you know, to fain a flat tire, to sain being
shot in the head. I mean, those are such obvious
ways to extricate oneself from a crime. It's like all
of the people we've covered over the years who whites
or spouse the short missing, and all of a sudden
they say, oh, I tried to kill myself, and then
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they have scratches all over their wrists. So I just
see like a whole story unfolding where he's trying to
think himself out of a box here Nancy, and he's
just not doing a very good job. No, he's not
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Crime stories with Nancy Grace. This regarding the knife is
almost lost at the sauce with as Dr Bethany Marshall says,
so much swirling around Alex Murnogue. But what does he
say happened exactly when he claims truck drives by on
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this lonely stretch of rural road, does he uee comes
back and shoots him in the head? Take a listen
to our friend Eva Pilgrim at GMA. Alec Murdoch was
changing a tire on the side of the road in
rural Hampton County Saturday when a car passed him, turned
around and someone shot him in the head. He was
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airlifted to a hospital in Charleston. We are told he
is conscious and speaking. Murdoch's brother was sitting down with
us back in June. Did they have any enemy's I
really don't know if any enemies. You hear all this
talk on the social media with regard to Paul, But
I don't know if anybody no that would truly it
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would truly be an enemy. I truly want to harm him. Okay,
So who took a shot at him? And why? Straight
back out to Matt Harris joining us w l K
Matt in the last hours. Alex Murdock has also been
booted from his law firm. He claimed he resigned, but
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the reality is they kicked him out for what they
say is misappropriation of over one million dollars of the
law firm's money. Some reports say up to eight digits,
okay or more? What do you know? They Friday they
confronted him. This is the Friday before he was shot
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in the head, but it didn't come out till later.
They confronted him about the drug uses, about the money,
and there was some sort of confrontation, but he didn't leave.
And then just yesterday, the day before, the bar has
kicked him out. To the money thing is all interesting
because if he indeed was doing this, that he's accused of.
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It all lines up with things we had heard over
the past week or so where there was accounting being
done by Maggie before she died to find out where
money was and I got that from two different sources.
And also when Maggie and Paul were shot, it was
only three days before there was going to be a
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hearing about the boating accident with the killed Mallory Beach.
And in that boating accident, and that hearing they would
to talk about money and funds and net worth and
that sort of thing. So they would have been digging
into money three days after the homicides of Maggie and Paul.
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So let me understand this. Matt Harris joining us W
l n K three days after the two bodies are
found magg and Paul. A trial was going forward on
criminal charges of Paul Murdoch's part and driving drunk on
a boat for Mallory Beach nineteen is thrown overboard. Yes,
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thank you. Civil trial. During that civil trial evidence would
be uncovered regarding the net worth of the Murdoch family.
Is that right at its correct? It was a hearing
pre trial hearing. Yes, as a matter of fact, take
a listen to this into the Associated Press. The law
firm Alex worked for claims that the lawyer was taking
money from the business. That statement coming from Pmpeed Law Firm,
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and it came just hours after Murdoch said that he
was resigning and entering rehab. The firm says it will
hire an accounting firm to fully review its books. It
didn't say how much money might be missing, but says
Murdoch was no longer associated with them in any way. Guys,
you're hearing our friends at NBC News ten to doctor
Bethany Marshall psychoanalysts joining us or Bethany Marshall. We have
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heard stories of, for instance, during the crash, people would
jump out of windows and kill themselves because they didn't
have their money anymore. What do you make of this?
His law firm has given him the boot. Now the
South Carolina Bar Association has joined in. Now we learn that,
according to the New York Times and the AP, that
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Murdoch had siphoned off over a million dollars. Nancy, I
think it's more likely not that he wanted to suicide
or prematurely end his life because he had lost so
much money, but that the news was tightening around his neck.
He seems to be a bad actor in so many
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areas of his life, from covering up for his son,
to maybe hiding from his wife Maggie, who was doing
the accounting for the family, and from the firm. She
may not have known how much money he was siphoning
off to defrauding his business partners. And this went back intergenerationally.
As you can see, the Murdoch's family was a very
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powerful family, so he was raised in a family milieu
where people got away with things. And this may well
be Nancy the first time in his life where were
they called that chickens are coming home to roost? Where
he was getting into trouble. You know, when you have
a history of continually getting away with things, of acting entitled,
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stealing money from other people, covering up for your child,
and then all of a sudden people start to close
in on you, whether it's the sais, whether it's the
local police, whether it's the accounting at his local law firm.
He may not have had the constitution for taking responsibility
for himself. And I think that's what we're seeing is
a very very desperate man just scheming and scheming as
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to how he can get, how he can get out
of crime and punishment at this point, and who knows
what else is lurking between the surface. Who knows what
else this man has done and what's going to come
out in the upcoming days. I want to circle back
to Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, regarding the subtle but
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significant change in wording. At the beginning, we were told
that Alex Murdag was out changing a flat. Then it
got to inspecting a flat and I find that very
significant because of trajectory path of the bullet on his head. Explain, Yeah,
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you're right, Nancy, I'm glad you picked up on this.
You know, if you if you think about the act
of actually changing the tire, most people are squatted on
the ground, aren't they. You know, they're using a wrench,
they're trying to take the tire off. This sort of thing.
Inspecting is completely different. That means you can kind of
bend at your waist and look at it when you
begin to think about this gunshot wound that he sustained.
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If you're squatted down the trajectory from a remember this
person was allegedly firing from a truck, which is going
to be at a higher elevation, They're gonna be firing
from above to below. If he is inspecting that means
he can rise to his feet or come fully erect
and they're firing straight on. You know, maybe he hadn't
accounted for that, Nancy, Maybe you know, and some wild,
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wild fantasy thought that he could get away with that.
If in fact that is what has happened. By taking
this weapon and firing it and giving kind of a
graze wound here, the trajectory is going to be completely off.
It completely changes the complexion of the investigation. Right, you
can tell from the trajectory path whether if he were
squatted by the car trying to change tire and the
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bullet came from above from within a truck driving by,
the trajectory path would have been back to front, top
to bottom. That's how it would have happened. Please, Yes,
one more thing about this that I find very fascinating.
You realize that these statements relative to the changing of
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the tires, this gunshot wound. None the stuff is coming
from sled. None of this stuff is coming from the
local law enforcement. Who's this coming from. This is coming
from his attorney. Okay, and so now he's going to
be sequestered away somewhearing this drug rehab thing that he's
going to. And the only thing, the only comment that
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we have thus far is from the attorney his mouthpiece.
Another thing I noticed, and jump in Astley Willcott. Not
only will the trajectory path of that bullet reveal whether
he was shot from someone above him in a truck
while he squatted down changing attire. Then that didn't work.
Then the wording changed from changing attire to inspecting attire.
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I think it also had to do with plausibility, because
once we all got onto the fact that this is
a Mercedes SUV that has a run flat an extended
mobility tire, you don't have to change for fifty miles
when he goes to flat, and suddenly the word is out,
he didn't have to change attire. He's seven miles from home.
So instead of changing that tire, oh, it makes more
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sense to say I was inspecting it. So it may
be just to work on credibility. They probably haven't even
taken to into a out the trajectory path of the bullet.
This is what I love about you, Nancy Grace. Lots
of things, but this one. You will always notice these
little small details because the narrative has changed. And you're
absolutely right. When does the narrative change? Like Joe Scott said,
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he is now a person of interest, all right. So
he tells his attorney the version of the story. Well
then they realize, oh wait, this new car that doesn't
really fit. Let's change the wording. The narrative is being
driven by the attorney for him. The other thing two
things I have to say, you say it follow the
money and desperate man, and those two things mean that
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they're now looking at this differently. Climb stories with Nancy Grace.
If people in the crash would jump out of windows
of skyscrapers in New York City just because they're out
of money, what will someone do if their law firm
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is onto them for embezzling millions, their wife is onto it,
she's asked for her own accounting. According to sources there
in the area, the house of cards is falling in
and about seventy two hours there's going to be a
court hearing where assets are delved into under oath. So
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how does this all come about? Because we've got to
follow this theory through to its logical conclusion, if Alex
Murdock did puncture his own tire, if he did shoot
himself claiming he was shot by someone in a pickup truck,
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it wasn't a botched suicide because why would you need
to stab the tire. That's the big question right now.
This is what happened that fateful afternoon. Take a listen
to our cut three in This is justin Beagle Live
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five News WCSC new information on the shooting of Alex
Murdoch in Hampton County. According to the South Carolina Law
Enforced Division or SLED, Murdoch called the Hampton County Dispatch
at one thirty Saturday afternoon. In that call, SLED says
Murdoch told dispatchers he had been shot on Old Soakahatchee
Road near Varneville. According to SLED, Murdoch was flown to
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Memorial Health University Medical Center in Savannah for a superficial
gunshot wound to the head. They say officers were called
in to lead the investigation by the Hampton County Sheriff's office.
The shooting of Alex Murdoch comes nearly three months after
his son and his wife were both found shot in
Colleton County one thirty in the afternoon, unknown assailant comes
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along the shoots him in the head. He miraculously lives
from a head gunshot wound and he is airlifted to
a Memorial Medical Now mmh and Savannah for a band aid.
Immediately put himself in rehab. Matt Harris joining me from
WL and Okay, you know the other morning when you
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and I were talking about were there any was there
any video surveillance. I know it's a very rural road,
but I was asking at either end to the intersection,
was there a business, was there a red light that
might have security video? And sledbetter trot on over there
and get that video. What's the very latest Matt Harris? Well,
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as we were talking today, we like we looked it
up and I got it figured out there. Sure it
is Saint John's Baptist. I remember when you told me yep,
and I understand that the NBC's reporting that Sled went
there and did indeed get a video. Could you bring
it down? Tell me that again, very slowly, Okay, say
that the church is I'm gonna get It's like the
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fifteen he was shot twenty block and the church is
the next block over, but it's not really a block
because it's blonged straight away. But the church is there's
a big church, as you noticed when we were talking
about it, we pulled up the photos. And now I
hear that the NBC has reported that SPLED got video
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from that church. Two. Joe Scott Morgan, Professor forensics. If
this is true, okay, I give you all the credit,
Matt Harris, because when I was talking about is there
a red light stuff? Is there a ring video? Is
there a red light video? Is there a business at
either end with the video? You're the one that figured
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out Saint John's Baptist Church would be toward the end,
not that far away of the incident. And yes, this
was on a Saturday afternoon, but those video surveillance cameras
often run twenty four seven, three sixty five. So Joe
Scott Morgan, what if anything would SLED be looking for
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on that video? A truck perhaps? Oh? Yeah, they put
the jackpot here, Nancy. If in fact they have recovered
videography that details that road out there that passes by
the church. And let me tell you why that video
is going to be timestamp. You take that and you
combine it with the information that they're going to have
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off of his phone when this call was initiated back
into the nine one one center, and you can actually
extrapolate the timeframe for which a truck would have passed
in front of that camera. Okay, because you have him
calling in, I would assume that he's calling in saying
I've been shot. We haven't heard that sound yet, but
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I've been shot. It was a truck, that sort of thing.
He's given this information, and that's detailed information that you
can look and see and validate it. These would be
the encamp not just that way, but also with the
top and so you're oriented on two separate locations on
the timeline, and this is going to be damning information.
Maybe he didn't count on it. I don't know, but
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there's not a lot of traffic on this road, Nancy.
It's a two lane country road out in the middle
of nowhere. It would be argued that that's why it
was selected, because it's in the middle of nowhere, a
very long, circuitous route between Varneville and Charleston, when he
could have just gone point A to point B. Hey,
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this is what they'll argue. This is what would be argued.
And again, no one has been arrested, no one has
been named a suspect at all, including Alex Murdoch. We
are talking about his story that he was shot in
the head by an unknown assailant when he was out
changing slash inspecting his car on a rural route. Is
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that true? He put it out there and we're picking
it apart. So this would be the response, Joe Scott, Oh,
the assailant. I didn't tell you which way they came.
They didn't come the church way. They came the other way.
There you get. Yeah, but if he made the shoe turn,
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if he made the shoe turn, Nancy, there is still
a high likelihood that they could have come from the
other direction as well. The church would have picked it up.
There's only one way in one I mean two ways in,
two ways out. I don't think that he could have that.
You can argue that definitively before a jury and have
them actually buy into it. I think it's a stretch. Well,
this is what I would argue to a jury, Ashley Willcott,
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if I were prosecuting, I would say, yeah, but there
is a way in on this end and a way
in to the shooting on this end, it's fifty fifty.
Who do you believe? I just I wouldn't try to
hide it. I'd put it to him just the way
it is. Yeah, because remember, you're going to be able, Nancy,
You're going to be able to show motives. And so
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when you say okay at fifty fifty, that's great. But
when you add the other circumstances that we're learning about,
the money trail, the deception, the number of different deaths, right,
at what point is it not coincidence? At what point
you have a horrible tragedy that his son was driving drunk.
That's not the tragedy. There was a death in that
as a result of his son's actions, and then his
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wife and son are murdered, and now he shot in
the head. It starts to add up, and not in
a good way for him. The only thing we're missing
is a mistress who just said that knock on what Nancy,
knock on? Dodger Bethany, you know you're all up in it.
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Climb stories with Nancy Grace, we are learning that the
South Carolina who climbs he was shot in the head
by an unknown assailant after his son and wife were murdered,
also shot in the head, has not only been kicked
out off his law firm for allegedly misappropriating funds, the
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South Carolina Bar Association has gotten in on it. Take
a listen to our friends at ABC eleven. Twist in
the mystery surrounding a double murder involving a prominent family
from South Carolina. Alex Murder, whose wife and some were
killed in June and who called nine one one over
the weekend saying he was shot in the head, is
now breaking his silence, releasing a statement saying, the murders
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of my wife and son have caused an incredibly difficult
time in my life. I've made a lot of decisions
that I truly regret. I'm resigning from my law firm
and entering rehab after a long battle that has been
exacerbated by these murders. I'm immensely sorry to everyone I've heard,
including my family, friends and colleagues, and now ABC News
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learning Alex has resigned from his family law firm after
it was discovered he had appropriated money from the firm.
On Saturday, Alex was airlifted to the hospital after calling
police to say he'd been shot in the head in
broad daylight while he was changing attire on the side
of the road. Authorities say he suffered a superficial gunshot
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wound to the head. He's now out of the hospital
and entering rehab. It's unclear what kind of rehab. Back
in June, Alex called nine one one saying he had
found the bodies of his wife, Maggie and twenty two
year old son Paul at the family's hunting lodge. Now,
the South Carolina bar has kicked him out, but let
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me point out, is only an interim suspension, and Murdoch
himself consented to the order. He has been suspended from
practicing law interim. And Ashley Willcott, it's my understanding. Why
do they love throwing around legal phrases, Latin phrases, interimains
for right now, like an intermission, intermittent. It's not permanent,
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you're understanding, Ashley, that's absolutely what it is. Fancy and
the reason that that's important. Two things I want to
point out. Yes, you're right, it's introim, but it's also
his choice. He went to them proactively. He's smart. I
would do the same thing if I were God forbid.
And these circumstances, which I never expect to be but
because it's his control. Again, who's controlling the narrative? He is?
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And how is he controlling the narrative? All right? Just
because there are all these circumstances and I'm not at
faults and I'm not guilty, but just to make it
easier for everyone, I'll do the right thing and proactively.
I don't know that he give the suspension. Why do
you believe he asked for an Ashley? I don't know,
but you can do. I don't think he because I
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understand that he consented to the suspension, and I was
curious as to the standard of proof you need to
go before a state bar and say, look, he stole
money from the farm, because there has been no hearing
at all. But I do know this the South Carolina
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Bar Association. The Supreme Court stated, quote upon receipt, if
sufficient evidence demonstrating a lawyer poses a substantial, substantial threat
a serious harm to the public or the administration of justice,
the Supreme Court may place the lawyer on intraim suspension. Now,
(31:26):
I don't know that they got evidence to make a
permanent finding, but I think the law firm presented them
with evidence. I mean, what do you know, Matt, how
did he get suspended from law practice? I do not
know how that. I mean the law firm said right
away that they had gone straight to the bar, gone
(31:48):
straight to law enforcement, and they had made sure that
they were on top of this because I'm sure that
they don't want to be right with him any law. Yes,
is it the law firm, his own family's law. So yeah,
but there are other lawyers in it, because when your
own family turned against you, you know, it really says
that there a lot through speaking of lawyers, Doctor Bethany,
(32:11):
your points were all taken. Then he has family members
in the law firm. It was founded by I think
his grandfather. But his lawyer, Jim Griffin says that, quote,
this type of order is standard in cases where there
are credible allegations of misappropriation of client funds or when
the lawyers incapacitated due to substance abuse. So is he
(32:36):
setting up some sort of substance abuse defense? But back
to you, Matt, Harris joined us l n K. Again,
we are dissecting facts as we learned them. Alex Murlock
has not been charged. He has not been accused of wrongdoing.
He is not a person of interest or suspect in
(32:57):
Maggie and Paul's murders. Let's talk about his gunshot wound
to the head and what does it mean A. Was
it self inflicted? B if so, was it a botched
suicide attempt or an attempt to deflect focus off him
suggesting that his wife and son's killer came back for him.
(33:20):
Let's think it through. You know one thing as well
as anyone. I've talked to attorney a couple at Journeys
yesterday for doing the podcast, and messing with trust is
one of the things that you yeah in law school, right,
don't the bar association. Let's you get away with forcing
your clients into sex as payment just all sorts a
(33:41):
bad dealing. But you mess with money, you are out.
The lawyers do not tolerate you messing with their money.
That's exactly right. And so the hammer would calm down,
swift and heavy quickly. So let's follow this through to
its logical conclusion. What if this was self flicted? Fly,
(34:03):
where was this shot fired? We'll find out. Nancy Grace
Combs story signing off, Goodbye friend,
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