August 20, 2025 • 43 mins
Police respond to a 911 call in the high society area of the Hamptons at the Montauk Yacht Club shortly after midnight.
Martha Nolan-O'Slattarra, a fashion designer from Ireland, is found unresponsive on a boat named "Ripple." The yacht is reportedly owned by insurance mogul Christopher Durnan, 60, who was present at the scene and allegedly ran down the dock screaming for help.
The wealthy yacht owner was once accused of fighting and biting a former New York firefighter during a tribute concert, commemorating 20 years after the 9/11 terror attacks.
CPR is attempted by a good Samaritan, but first responders pronounce Martha dead at the scene. Initial autopsy results showed no signs of violence. As rumors swirl of drug overdose, Martha's family strongly denies those claims and rumors of brain cancer by hiring attorney Arthur Aidala to ensure a thorough investigation is performed.
The official cause of death is inconclusive, pending toxicology reports.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Matthew Mangino - Attorney, Former District Attorney (Lawrence County); Author: "The Executioner's Toll: The Crimes, Arrests, Trials, Appeals, Last Meals, Final Words and Executions of 46 Persons in the United States"
- Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst, Author: "Deal Breaker," and featured in hit show "Paris in Love" on Peacock; Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, X: @DrBethanyLive
- Ron Bateman - Former Sheriff for Anne Arundel County, Maryland - Former Homicide and Undercover Narcotics Detective, Author of Crime Trilogy "Silent Blue Tears" (he is currently directing and producing a film documentary on the murders at the Capital Gazette Newspaper in Annapolis); TikTok: @Ron.Bateman.655
- Joseph Scott Morgan - Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University, Author of "Blood Beneath My Feet," and Host: "Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan;" X @JoScottForensicith Joseph Scott Morgan;" X:@JoScottForensic
- Lauren Conlin - Investigative Journalist, Host of The Outlier Podcast, and also Host of "Corruption: What Happened to Grant Solomon; X- @Conlin_Lauren/ Instagram- @LaurenEmilyConlin/YouTube- @LaurenConlin4
- Dave Mack - 'Crime Stories' Investigative Reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
A bombshell twist after midnight's screams pierced the air. A
gorgeous young fashion designer found dead on a Hampton's yacht.
This as bizarre details emerge about the yacht owner who
runs around the dock naked that night. Now we are
(00:27):
learning I said bizarre, and I minute that he has
a biting biting problem and a previous biting attack. This
as sick and perverted cancer rumors swirl. I'm Nancy Grace.
(00:51):
This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
being with us. Nothing good happens after midnight.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
This woman will found none responsive. Her dream was to
quote make it in New.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
York, A woman that got herself out of a small
town rags o riches story.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
She's dead on a yacht. I hardly know where to start.
First of all, the millionaire owner of not one but
two yachts who's running naked around the Hampton's dock that night,
the night that Martha, this gorgeous young fashion designer is
found at on his yacht and his biting attack history,
(01:34):
these cancer rumors swirling that Martha, this.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Young fashion designer.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Let me see a picture of Martha that this girl
was dying of brain cancer. Really, is somebody gonna try
and tell me that she suddenly dies, just falls over,
kills over dead from brain cancer, her family saying she
didn't have any kind of cancer.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
She was perfectly healthy.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I'd like to know who started that rumor and why
did they really think we all just fell off the
tartup truck that she just killed over this beautiful young girl.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
From brain cancer, just like that.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
I'm not buying it. So where do we start? And
there's so much more? An elite task force has been
called in. It ain't over yet. So where do you
start when you don't know where to start?
Speaker 1 (02:34):
At the beginning? Listen.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
The night of her death, Marpa was a bored of
ripple a fifty foot cabin cruiser at the Montak Yacht
Club to meet with an East by East investor, Christopher Dernan.
Nolan told boyfriend Nick Drubio she planned to uber home
and arrived before one am. Dernan, who owns Dernin Group Insurance,
screamed for help, completely nude, throwing items at other boats
(03:00):
a tube of sunscreen. Just after midnight, the calm over
the serene Montauk Yacht Club is shattered by the sounds
of a scream passers by. I rush to a boat
in the marina where a man is standing over an
unconscious woman. Soon the marina is filled with the sound
of sirens, but the woman isn't rushed to the hospital.
(03:20):
First responders to clear the woman dead on the scene.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
And someone actually wants me to buy the story that
she killed over this woman the picture of help from
brain cancer. Her family's stunned by that allegation. Joining me
an all star panel to make sense of what we
learn Right now, I'm dying to go to Lauren Colin Butt. First,
I've got to go to renown psychoanalyst doctor Bethany Marshall
(03:45):
joining us from la specifically.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Rodeo Drive aka Rodeo.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
You can see her now on Peacock, author of deal Breakers,
and she is at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany.
This whole picture just gives does the ick factor, the
scheve the something is very wrong. I'm not believing anything
anybody's telling me right now. If this were so open
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and shut, why has an elite task force been brought in?
But now I'm learning this rich guy in his sixties
is running around naked? Why does he have this gorgeous
young girl on his boat?
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
There he is known for him now for wandering about
playing his guitar.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Their words, not mine. I don't care.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
I don't care what he does until he's found standing
over a dead body. Then it's my business. Just the
whole picture is wrong. Dr Bethany, Now.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
See there's so much wrong with his story. Not only
is he running around naked throwing tubes of sunscreen at
other boats, but he's screaming, she's my girlfriend. She's not
his girlfriend. If he's wondering wrong naked strumming the guitar,
This guy has a huge overestimation of himself. Didn't he
invest about two hundred thousand dollars into her clothing business?
(05:10):
This sounds to me like a guy who is grossly
overestimating his importance to this young woman, placing himself front
and center into her life, taking his clothes off.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
On a boat.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Ooh, Not only does he have one boat, he has
two boats side by side. Isn't the other boat called
hell in a bucket or something like that? This is
more like hell and a handbounce.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Definite.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
So psychology brought that up number one boating aficionado's correction.
Yachtados would be angry that we call them boats. Okay,
I learned that a long time ago. All of his
yachts are named after or an homage to the grateful dead.
(05:57):
Not judging, don't care, but that's where the names are
coming from. To Lauren Colin joining me, following up on
what doctor Bethany Marshall said, Lauren Conlin, investigative reporter, star
of Pop Crime TV on YouTube, Lauren, isn't that right.
I'm going to get into all the new facts in
just a moment. But wasn't this guy up in his sixties?
(06:20):
I wonder where he got.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
All that money. I know he.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Owns the Durnham Group Insurance, but why is he calling
her his girlfriend? Why is he naked and she is
completely clothed at midnight She's already told her boyfriend, Hey,
I'm on the way home. I've got to drive all
the way back into the city from out here, but
(06:44):
I will be home before one am. And now she
never gets on the uber. I mean, everything is just wrong.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Her story and what we're learning about him does not jive.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Why is he running around saying she's his girlfriend.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
I think this is the big question, Nancy. I believe
that that is wishful thinking on Christopher Dernan's part. As
Bethany said, he did invest two hundred thousand dollars into
her business. I have questions about that. Did he believe
in the business. I mean, she is a beautiful woman,
as you stated. And the whole biting assault incident in
(07:22):
twenty twenty one that resulted in an arrest and also
a pretty hefty civil suit against Chris Dernon, which goes
back to me thinking that he's.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Got this time the way you said that, Lauren Conlin,
the biting incident, the incident when a grown man bites
another grown man, I mean, doctor Bethany Marshall, we need
a shrink.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
I haven't even gotten into all the facts right now.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
But biding, that's a whole another can of worms.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
I'm going to get to the biding incident.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
This guy who owns the Durna Group insurance company naked
running around claiming she's his girlfriend.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Why is he not doing CPR? But that aside, what
do you make of that?
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Well, biting is a sign of primitive rage. And when
I say primitive rage and aggression, I mean it comes
from a very infantile, childlike place. In other words, this
guy is not functioning in a manner that his prefrontal cortex,
or let's say, the breaking system in the brain, is
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working very well. It appears he has no breaking system
in his brain. What's interesting is that the man that
he bit was a first responder, a beloved member of society,
somebody who risked his life to help the public, and
this insurance guy bites him.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
This guy has not been charged with anything that I
know of since his biting attack on a first responder.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
But who is hey?
Speaker 6 (09:04):
Listen Dernin, who owns a workers comp insurance company, is
well known at the Montaka Yacht Company for guitar plane
usually mooring twenty two year old ripple next to second
vessel Hell in a bucket. Durnan invested at least two
hundred thousand dollars in Martha Nolan's latest fashion brand, East
by East.
Speaker 7 (09:22):
Dernan does have a criminal history, arrested on charges including
possession of a controlled substance and assault after biting firefighter
Michael balf darn impleaded to disorderly conduct and spend no
time behind bars.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Okay, let's do a quick compare. That's who the owner
of the Ripple and the Hell and a Bucket yacht is, Okay,
a rich guy with two yachts that bites people.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Who is the victim?
Speaker 8 (09:55):
Hi, I'm Martha, the founder, CEO, crew director of you
namer of East by East. We are launching a resort
ware line soon. We just got our first ride samples
back and I want you to share some first lucks
with you and see what you think.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
We got another crochet.
Speaker 8 (10:14):
This is Flora Len. You can see the beating, the
details absolutely stunning.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
On I tried it on. I think this will be
my best seller.
Speaker 7 (10:27):
Living her best life posting pictures with friends on private jets,
helicopters and yachts. Martha is becoming a legend as the
founder of fashion label East by East.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Okay, that gives me an idea about her. Martha noaen
a flatterer.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
She is. She came from a very small town.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
She worked her fingers to the bone to create a
fashion design business. I thought it was hard being a
minority in law school, hardly any women, much less trying
to get into the courtroom and be a felony prosecutor
as a woman. But breaking into the fashion designer business
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in New York City from for a small town girl.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
But she did it. And you know another thing that's.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Really interesting, which I really resent Dr Bethany Marshall. People
throwing stones at this girl because she tried to project
a certain image on in staff, Facebook, TikTok all, social
media that she was successful. Have you ever you've had
to deal with the realtor, right they always pull up
in like a gorgeous Mercedes or BMW. It's perfectly clean,
(11:43):
and it smells really good, and they're perfect and they
have designer jewelry on. It's probably all least and borrowed
whatever to project a successful image.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Because then you, the customer thinks.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Wow, she must really be good at this because she
obviously is doing well, which means she's had a lot
of other clients. I really resent people attacking Martha because
of the image she tried to project off success.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
How do you think she got that two hundred thousand
investment right? Nancy?
Speaker 3 (12:17):
You know what, It's just called marketing. She's being a
smart young woman. Do you know how difficult it is
to start a clothing business? It requires so much money.
You have to be willing to work, to schmooze, to
make friends, and that piece that she's showing is absolutely gorgeous.
That crocheted cover up, I think it is. So why
(12:38):
is this more suspicious than an old guy who has
two yachts at the Montauku Yacht Club side by side?
Like why is the man sort of off the hook
for displaying wealth? But she's being looked down on because
she's trying to promote herself and a healthy business model.
(12:59):
I mean, I think you were really at the end
of the day, Nancy, it's just blaming the victim and
blaming women for wanting to get ahead.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace, this woman so incredibly talented.
And you know, just the other day, doctor Bethany, a
very dear friend of mine who's a preschool mates friends
of the twins, that's how I met her, has a
(13:32):
daughter and she doesn't like school. She doesn't like reading, writing,
and arithmetic, And I'm like, you know what, you got
to get her into college so she has, you know,
a path in the future. The mom showed me her
designer portfolio. I nearly fell over.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
It was amazing.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Granted I'm not a fashion maven, but the originality the beauty,
the crafting. I mean, it's an art and you have
to follow it. It's like a calling. And this girl
had it and now people attack her because of videos
just like this where she projected success.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
So, Nancy, here's what's interesting. That crocheted piece is a
piece of art. Okay, so it's not just a beach
cover up. It has beating. Do you know how difficult
it is to get beating on a garment? One of
my best friends is a clothing designer, so I know
all about this.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
You have to send it about how difficult it is
to get It's difficult garment.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
But please go ahead.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Well take several layers of production, so you have to
get the fabric, source the fabric, then you have to
send it out somewhere where they're going to hand so
all the beating on. Then you construct it into a garment.
But I'm going to ask you this, Nancy. If she
were a young, starving artist that was putting a painting
on Instagram, everybody would be applodding.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
But because she's a.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Gorgeous woman with a gorgeous product and her artistry is
just going around in an unusual way, she's being attacked
by all of us. It's what we see again and again, Nancy,
the more beautiful, the.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Woman, all of us. Don't throw me in that pot.
To Steve, I'm not attacking her.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
I'd like to attack whoever is responsible for her death.
But you know we're showing these beautiful images and talking
about her.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Dr Bethany. But back to Lauren Colin joining me.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Investigative reporter and star of Pop Crime TV on YouTube.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Lauren.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Today is an overwhelmingly sad day because this young lady
has been put to rest, with her mother reciting over
and over a prayer she normally recited every Tuesday, Saint
(15:55):
Martha's prayer for intercession and comfort during adversity.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
I'm just thinking of the mom and the dad.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
I mean my dad when he would see me when
I graduated, when I was trying cases. They would come
watch the cases, particularly the worst ones I remember, and
dancing with the stars when I didn't get thrown off.
One night, Oh, I looked across the ballroom and my
(16:27):
father was crying, crying about what I was going through.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Right, And I think of this mother back home in
a small town, putting.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Her daughter all those hopes, all those dreams, marrying her
and reciting Saint Martha's prayer.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
The funeral was today.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
Right correct today, and it was a beautiful funeral per
the Irish Independent. It was in a very small town,
her hometown of Carlow, Ireland, and they had an American
flag and an Irish flag next to her casket. And
her boyfriend spoke beautiful words about her, as did her
(17:17):
sister Jackie. She spoke about this unbreakable love that they shared,
this sister bond, and to quote Jackie exactly, she said, quote,
you taught me everything I needed to know in life.
I didn't always see you, but I always knew you
were there. And oh my gosh, I'm about to cry
just saying that. But yes, it was a beautiful, beautiful service.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Hello.
Speaker 8 (17:41):
Hello, my name is Martha. I am the founder and
CEO of East by East. So east by East is
a resortwork round. East by East stands for you, work
for the Hamptons. A tadline is built in the city,
made for the song. I absolutely need a drore it.
I think it resonates with so many people on so
many level because of you. At some points, everyone in
(18:02):
their lives are, you know, grinding city life.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
But everyone's just.
Speaker 8 (18:07):
Destined for the sun.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
I know, I am, and pretty much everyone else is.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Reminder to all, Dornan has not been charged with anything,
and we have no indication he will be charged with anything.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
This is a very big yacht club, spanning sixteen acres,
one of the largest marinas in the Hampton.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
You got a guy running around naked, running around and
screaming at the top of his lungs.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
That's my girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
That's my girlfriend on a yacht at risiyemonta yacht club.
This is an elite task force has been formed and
called in to investigate Martha's death.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
What happened on that yacht.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
When you don't know where to start, I usually start
with what I know about the victim. When I don't
know a lot about the victim, I look at the timeline.
I know that she was talking to her real boyfriend
just before she is found dead on the yacht.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
What more are we learning? Listen?
Speaker 4 (19:18):
The task force is made up of District Attorney investigators
and numerous law enforcement agencies, including East Hampton Town PD,
Suffolk County PD, the Suffolk County Sheriff's Office. In New
York State Police, The task force involvement has led to rumors,
but sources close to the investigation seeing nothing has been
ruled out.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
Homicide detectives are still questioning people close to Martha.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Straight back out to Lauren Colin, joining US investigative reporter
and start of pop Crime TV on YouTube. Lauren after Darnan,
the yacht owner, the guitarist, drumming, biting yacht owner ran
naked from the yacht.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yes, him, him? What happens then? Well, police began their investigation.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
Nancy, And I think you know, the biggest question here
that everybody is trying to figure out is what is
Martha's cause of death?
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Here?
Speaker 5 (20:16):
And now her autopsy report is inconclusive, but her family
they have a second autopsy underway for a second opinion.
And just last week the family attorney came out and said, look,
the media is being incredibly irresponsible here by saying that
(20:36):
Martha died of an overdose. Everything is inconclusive. The family
has actually had a sit down with Seth County Home.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
They are deep.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
You're right, you're talking about author Idala, a long time colleague.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Take a listen to Idalla.
Speaker 9 (20:54):
Any report about her death just right now, let's does.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
And she's not accurate this regulation.
Speaker 9 (21:04):
We are in touch with the Digital Attorney's office. The
family has had to sit down with the Sunday Journeys
Home Side Detectiques. They are doing a deep, deep dive
and deep.
Speaker 10 (21:15):
Investigation there so may questions.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
There are.
Speaker 9 (21:23):
Analysis, technological analysis that is.
Speaker 11 (21:26):
Still being dark.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
That's our friend Arthur Idala.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Speaking and Lauren Colin managed to chase him down and
be there when he gave that statement. Any report regarding
cod is just right now, irresponsible, not accurate, speculation.
Speaker 9 (21:42):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Joseph Scott Morgan, Joe Scott.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Joe Scott, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Which has an incredible new building.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I was just there for its commemoration for Criminal Procedure
and Forensic Sciences. Author of Blood Beneath My Feet and
start of a hit podcast Body Back with Joe Scott Morgan,
Joe Scott.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Don't you just love it when conveniently.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
It turns out to be the victim's fault that she's dead.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
On a yacht at midnight.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Just as she's leaving to catch an uber to go
home to her boyfriends to their apartment, and the owner
is running around and naked. She did not show any
signs and od nothing. When she called the boyfriend, everything
was fine. She's like, Hey, I'm on the way home.
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I'm catching an uber, I'll be there before one am.
And then now she's dead and this naked dude's running around.
How convenient to try to suggest it's really her fault.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
She's dead.
Speaker 11 (22:48):
Yeah, and there's several flies in the proverbial appointment here, Nancy.
One of my sources actually revealed to me earlier this
week about that there was a white powdery substance found
in the salon area of the boat that was on
the surface of the bench.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Sorry, what's the salon area of a yacht?
Speaker 1 (23:12):
What is the salon?
Speaker 11 (23:14):
The salon is like the gathering area. It's almost like
a living room in this boat. It would kind of
be no pun intended, kind of sunken, if you will.
So there'll be like bench like seating in there that's
rather plush and comfortable. And one report had come out
early on that said there was a white powdery substance
found and implying that that was actually some type of
(23:36):
illicit substance. Hey, Nancy, guess what it turned out to be?
Fingerprint dust. So there's a lot of unreliable information coming out.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Hold on, stop everything, stop stop stopping.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Old on, Joe Scott, I need to hear that again. Yeah,
will you tell me that one more time. This is
extremely significant.
Speaker 11 (23:59):
Yeah, because there's somebody that has released information about this
that is trying to drive the narrative I think relative
to this, try to because we don't have anything back
from the lab. We don't have anything regarding any contents
we're found on the on the vessel itself where they
were testing anything out there. Also, we don't have talks. Nancy,
(24:19):
you and I have been doing this for a long time.
We know that toxcology results take a long time. And listen,
it doesn't matter what kind of priority we might think
the case has to have. It doesn't mean you're going
to get bumped up in the line for a post
mortem examination as far as talks goes at the State
Crime Lab. So we have to wait and see what's
going on. People are jumping to a lot of wild
(24:40):
conclusions here, and let me just put it out there.
The me is saying that there is no trauma visible.
That's at least their initial statement to her remains. So
this remains a mystery.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
What were you saying about fingerprint dust?
Speaker 11 (24:56):
Yeah, yeah, So on the on the bench itself in
the lawn, there was dust on the surface of it.
People were actually saying early on that this was some
type of I unidentified substance, actually implying that it was
some type of drug residue. Well, nothing could be further
from the truth, at least at this point. But what
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has been confirmed is that that was actually fingerprint dust.
So we do know that crime scene elements were out
there dusting the surfaces looking for any kind of latent
prints that might have been in that area or adjacent
to her are on any number of the surfaces inside
this vessel.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Listen.
Speaker 12 (25:34):
Photos taken after Martha was found dead show a white
powdery substance scattered across the seat on the vessel. The
Suffolk County Police Department has not determined cause of death.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Exactly what Joe Scott Morgan is talking about. I want
to go out before a follow up on cod I
want to go out to a veteran trial lawyer. You
know him well, Matthew Mangino. I call him a last
meal Man. Ginoe, because you wrote a book, a book
called The Executioner's Toll. Crime's, arrest, trials, appeals, last meals
(26:09):
forty six people across the US. Matthew One, thank you
for being with us tonight too.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
It's almost as if someone is going.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Out of their way to suggest this young girl died
of an od.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
They could possibly know that there.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Was no mention of a substance on her face, around
her nose or mouth. This substance we've been told earlier
to suggest there was.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
A cocaine overdose.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
It's turning out at this juncture anyway, to be fingerprint powder. Plus,
when I saw a photo of the scene, and I'll
go to you on this in a moment, Lauren Colin,
the powder that I saw was on the seat where
you sit, which is not commonly where people snort up coke. Right,
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She's sitting down when they snort up coke, and you
often see it like on a coffee table or a
flat surface that they can hold or something in.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Front of them.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
They don't get down on the floor on their knees
to sniff to stort.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Coke off the seat where they were just sitting.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
So when I saw that, it just went against every
crime scene I've ever processed.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
So who would be going to this.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Great length to put it out there that she died
of an od.
Speaker 9 (27:35):
Well, Nancy, someone's always trying to control the narrative in
situations like this, And you know, one of the things
that I thought was interesting is Joe Scott Morgan just
pointed out, is that that medical examiner said there was
no trauma, there was no violence involved in this, But
(27:56):
that doesn't mean anything because this case is far from
being results. We know, we need to get toxicology back
in terms of the cause of death in this particular instance,
but we also need to look at, you know, what's
available in terms of criminal statutes in the state of
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New York. You know, you can be prosecuted simply for
furnishing drugs to somebody who ultimately dies. You know, whether
it's manslaughter or it's negligent homicide. There's a lot of
different directions this case can go. Even though there's no
trauma physically to the victim. You know, how did she die,
what caused her death, and who had a role in
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causing her death.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yeah, you know, I'm very curious about everything that you
just said, So let's go to the source. Joseph Scott Morgan.
There's no obvious sign of trauma. Okay, that is neither
here nor there. She could still when you look at
a dead body, for instance, if she had been suffocated,
you wouldn't really know that until you examine the PARTICULARI
(29:04):
in the eye. Now, a manual or ligature strangulation, you
might see marks on the neck or maybe not, but
just off the top of my head. With an asphyxiation,
say with a pillow, let's just go with that, you
couldn't look in the body and tell what had happened.
Speaker 11 (29:22):
Not in every case. Sometimes with suffocation or smothering, you
will get presentations of the tiki, but they're rarer in
those cases as opposed to some kind of manual strangulation. Nancy,
I got to tell you one of the things that's
first off, if I can just say this, I am
amazed at the number of resources, and I think you
probably are too, whether you're not admitting it or not.
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The number of resources they're throwing at this thing. If
you're looking at an indication of how high on the
priority this is for law.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Enforcement, Tell Scotty, trust me, it's not about her, It's
about the Hamptons.
Speaker 11 (30:00):
Yeah happens.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yes, I only got invited a couple of times. But
I was definitely a dog upstairs. You know, you're somewhere
where you know you're not supposed to be, and you're
really not good enough to be there, so you have
to you have to go back downstairs.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
It's just feel comfortable, Yeah, just because this.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Is Ahamptons and everybody's nutting up this guy Dorning.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
He's not accused of anything.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
For all I know, he was just thrown the guitar
but naked as she killed over from brain.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Cancer for all I know.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
I'm not an MD, I'm not a death investigator like
Joe Scott Morgan. I don't know what happened, but I
can tell you this, when an elite task force is
assembled from multi jurisdictional agencies, that doesn't.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Happen every day. Again, we have.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
No reason to charge or accuse Dorning with any drug
related activity. Okay, all of his yacht neighbors said he
was always quote messed up. That could be on alcohol
or it could be completely false. That's what they said.
I haven't cross examined them. I don't know if they're
telling the truth. So he stands innocent and uncharged, completely
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innocent and uncharged. At this moment, all I really know
about him is he's a bider.
Speaker 7 (31:19):
Growing up, Martha studies commerce at university before earning a
master's in Digital marketing from the Smurfet Business School. Describing
herself as the small town girl who needed to get
out to achieve her big dreams, Martha says fashion is
a tough industry and it would be a slow road.
At twenty six, she leaves her small town and relocates
in New York City. Martha begins launching pop up events
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to promote her summerware fashion label East by East in
the Hamptons and quickly gains recognition.
Speaker 8 (31:47):
We had a first retail location pop up in Montaux
in the Montepee House, and Jah will be going back
there this summer, so you will see us there. Will
be doing some brond activations, some brown partnerships, some like
wellness stuff, and we will also of course throw some parties,
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some cool parties with really cool DJs. So yeah, stay
tuned for that.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Reminder to all, Dornan has not been charged with anything
and we have no indication he will be charged with anything.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
It is exclusive, it is wealthy. Everybody knows.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Everybody You're not just wealthy, You're mega wealthy.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
They want to keep it as clean as possible. They
do not want their dirty laundry, air designer drugs. There's
a lot of money out there, white glove services.
Speaker 6 (32:47):
They have to keep the property values up, they have
to keep the money flowing out.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
It's so exclusive even most New Yorkers don't know what
happens behind that pacade.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
And joining us now special guest Ron Abateman for share
of and Arundel County, former homicide undercover narcotics detective, author
of a crime trilogy, Silent Blue Tears. Ron, thank you
for being with us. I've been waiting for your analysis.
Hit me.
Speaker 8 (33:16):
Well.
Speaker 10 (33:17):
I think as the police saved their teeth into this case,
no pun intended. I think there's a couple of things
that are going to be really revealing. The first is,
of course toxicology, which we have talked about a lot,
but I think also is just going to be key
and which is going to guide the investigation is once
they got Durnham, who I'm not accusing either, got his
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clothes on, got him situated in the station and talked
to him, really curious to see how he lays out
the timeline what happened.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Again, he's not charged with anything. Crime stories with Nancy
Grace Matt Mangino. Come on, man, you're the veteran defense attorney.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
You got a gorgeous young girl dead and this old
guy running around but naked, screaming that's his girlfriend. If
there was not any sex activity planned, then why is
he running around naked?
Speaker 9 (34:19):
Well, there's a lot we still don't know. Again, he's naked.
Do we know whether the victim was clothed when when
they came there in the neighbor's.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Trying she's clothed.
Speaker 9 (34:35):
Okay, then she's clothed.
Speaker 8 (34:37):
But again it is.
Speaker 9 (34:41):
You know, can we insinuate from these circumstances. Sure, he's
a strange dude, and he does some weird things, and
he knows this woman obviously the victim, because he's blown
her money for her business. Why is he naked? You know,
he has to explain that to police. That's something that
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the police in terms of this investigation, not only talking
to him, but other people. We also know that there
may be other people in this boat. If there was
a fingerprint.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Really, that's the first I've heard of it. Did somebody
tell me somebody else was there.
Speaker 9 (35:18):
Why would the police be checking for fingerprints on accounter?
Speaker 1 (35:21):
What are they looking at? They do on every single
crime scene that ever existed. Once they learned what fingerprints were.
Speaker 9 (35:27):
Right and well, they're looking for somebody else. They're trying
to determine if somebody else. You don't need the fingerprints
of the victim and the person who owns the boat,
if he's there, to determine whether or.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Not you know, you really are something.
Speaker 9 (35:39):
You're looking for somebody else.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
You're amazing because if they didn't take fingerprints, the first
thing I would hear out of last meal, Matt Mangino
is they didn't take fingerprints.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
They're horrible. Of course they're taking fingerprints. I mean, but
I admire the way you did that. I've got a question.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Have you ever been on Dancing the Stars, because you
are an amazing dancer. You dance around every question I've
been asking you. The way you got out of why
is he's naked at that time of the night with
her fully clothed If it wasn't sexually intent, there were
no sex intentions on his part. I mean, your answer
was they'll have to ask him that. I'm asking you,
(36:20):
Mangino why take a leap of logic, Let's follow it
through to its logical conclusion. She's completely clothed and he's
but naked.
Speaker 9 (36:32):
Hey, maybe he was getting in the shower while she
was sitting there, and all of a sudden he discovers
that she's laying on the ground unconscious. The first thing
he's going to do is is run for help. This
wasn't a guy that tried to hide it. He's throwing
bottles at his going, what did you just say?
Speaker 1 (36:47):
I need that? In slow mo?
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Maybe he was getting in the shower and what what
did you say?
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Please go full on him. I've got to see every
aspect of his demeanor.
Speaker 9 (36:55):
Well, he's he's about to get in the shower, she's
about to leave, and of course she finds. He finds
her laying unconscious on the floor, and he runs out naked,
looking for help. He wasn't hiding. He didn't go back
in the shower, he didn't go to bed.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
He went for help.
Speaker 9 (37:14):
He's trying to save this woman who's unconscious.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Okay, Joe Scott, please help me. My chest is hurting
right now. Did you hear that?
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Yes?
Speaker 11 (37:29):
I heard it? And what kind of assistance would you like,
I mean, listen, other.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Than CPR, I mean maybe he was in the shower
and came out of there and found her dead.
Speaker 11 (37:45):
Yeah, well, Matt's doing what defense attorneys do. All right,
You're right, he is dancing, He's waltzing at this point
in tom. The reality is this. I can't imagine a
person that is not certainly in an intimate relationship with
her presenting himself nude as she is laying on the floor,
no towel, You're going to run out of the place,
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and you're neked running up and down the walkway that's
adjacent to where these vessels are moored. I think it's
kind of odd. Now. I've had, you know, people that
have been finders refer to them as finders, finders of body,
and they'll react in any manner of way when you
get there. But the idea that he would run out
of this thing like his hair is on fire and
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screaming at the top is actually throwing things at people.
It seems like, I don't know, unreasonable, unexpected behavior from
a grown man, and he's you know, yeah, there's certain
ways to summon help. Was there anybody else on the vessel?
I think that is a good question. I think that
fingerprints can be used in order to assess that we
can also look for DNA. I'd like to know who
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else's DNA is on that.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Very Oh yeah, disagree, Joe Scott.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
They're going to find all sorts of fingerprints on that yacht.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
That doesn't mean those people were on the yacht. It
doesn't anything about those people at the time.
Speaker 11 (39:02):
She didn't right, right, But if this is a big mystery,
which it is right now, you're going to have to
go down the list to exclude these people if they
are in the fingerprint database. Same thing with DNA, because
it has been implied even by Matt that.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
This database, why I love you, all these rich people
the Hamptons are going to be in the database.
Speaker 11 (39:24):
No, no, no, no, oh well, I'm just remembering what
Laurence said. Laurence said they made a major drug bust
last year. I guarantee you some of those damp people
that were out in the Hamptons, they're in the database. Now.
I bet you do donuts on that. So I'm not
I don't care. How a good pointing you.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Okay, So, Ron Bateman, I can having prosecuted many many
drug cases, more than I can even count. I guarantee
you the people, the mules carrying the dope and flying
the little says nas. They don't live in the Hamptons. Okay, no, no,
they probably don't even w in this country. They're mules,
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you know, donkeys that carry drugs and deliver to the
rich people in the Hamptons. And when I say rich
people think extravagant parties, lavish lifestyle.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Over the top. What kind of party am I talking about?
A party like this?
Speaker 6 (40:24):
Before his fall from grace, did he lived an incredibly
lavish lifestyle, showcased best by his elaborate parties. Combs started
hosting his famous white parties in nineteen ninety eight, and
they quickly became the place to be on Labor Day
and invite, reinforcing your status in the entertainment industry. The
parties have been hosted in the Hamptons, Beverly Hills, and
even Saint Tropez, France. Many have called Combs a modern
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day Gadsby, a nickname he relished.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Oh please, I'm modern day Gaspy. Modern day Gasby is
killing his rear in behind bars right now.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
On prostitution charges.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
My point is that that was the party Ron Bateman,
where all of these are rich people out in the
Hamptons were eating sushi off a naked lady who was
served up like she was an appetizer, and her naked
body was covered in sushi and they were eating off
of her body. Okay, there's a lot I could say
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about that, but people are expendable, just like the naked
lady that was a serving tray, just like the people
that bring the drugs in the designer drugs for people
in the Hamptons, Montauk being the most elite section of
the Hamptons. So I don't know whose fingerprints you're going
to find there. But that said, of course they take fingerprints.
(41:43):
Of Course those people need to be ruled out if
they can be identified. Goes without saying, yes, it's.
Speaker 10 (41:49):
Lavish lifestyles, but made a good point. Fingerprints are also
great to rule out people, so that's one of the
benefits of fingerprints. But I think the key thing is
here his Raysied statement where he comes out up naked,
seize my girlfriend, she's my girlfriend. Wishful think in there, Bud, No,
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she's not, never will be. Maybe you want her to
be because you've invested, you know, a crap ton of
money into her business. But no, that'll never happen. It
never will happen, obviously. But that's just something that's really key.
That's a tell all to me that or not to
tell all, but it's a real telling statement. You know
where he's shouting, she's my girlfriend. That's just ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Remind her to all.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Dornan has not been charged with anything, and we have
no indication he will be charged with anything.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
If you know or think you know anything.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
About Martha's death, have you heard something, did you see something?
Have you heard from somebody or heard from somebody? Anything
you could tell us. The investigation is on going. Tip
line sixty three one eight, five, two six, three nine
six repeat six three one eight, five two six, three
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nine six.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
We wait as justice unfolds for Martha.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
A bombshell twist after midnight's screams pierced the air. A
gorgeous young fashion designer found dead on a Hampton's yacht.
This as bizarre details emerge about the yacht owner who
runs around the dock naked that night. Now we are
(00:27):
learning I said bizarre, and I minute that he has
a biting biting problem and a previous biting attack. This
as sick and perverted cancer rumors swirl. I'm Nancy Grace.
(00:51):
This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
being with us. Nothing good happens after midnight.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
This woman will found none responsive. Her dream was to
quote make it in New.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
York, A woman that got herself out of a small
town rags o riches story.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
She's dead on a yacht. I hardly know where to start.
First of all, the millionaire owner of not one but
two yachts who's running naked around the Hampton's dock that night,
the night that Martha, this gorgeous young fashion designer is
found at on his yacht and his biting attack history,
(01:34):
these cancer rumors swirling that Martha, this.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Young fashion designer.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Let me see a picture of Martha that this girl
was dying of brain cancer. Really, is somebody gonna try
and tell me that she suddenly dies, just falls over,
kills over dead from brain cancer, her family saying she
didn't have any kind of cancer.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
She was perfectly healthy.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I'd like to know who started that rumor and why
did they really think we all just fell off the
tartup truck that she just killed over this beautiful young girl.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
From brain cancer, just like that.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
I'm not buying it. So where do we start? And
there's so much more? An elite task force has been
called in. It ain't over yet. So where do you
start when you don't know where to start?
Speaker 1 (02:34):
At the beginning? Listen.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
The night of her death, Marpa was a bored of
ripple a fifty foot cabin cruiser at the Montak Yacht
Club to meet with an East by East investor, Christopher Dernan.
Nolan told boyfriend Nick Drubio she planned to uber home
and arrived before one am. Dernan, who owns Dernin Group Insurance,
screamed for help, completely nude, throwing items at other boats
(03:00):
a tube of sunscreen. Just after midnight, the calm over
the serene Montauk Yacht Club is shattered by the sounds
of a scream passers by. I rush to a boat
in the marina where a man is standing over an
unconscious woman. Soon the marina is filled with the sound
of sirens, but the woman isn't rushed to the hospital.
(03:20):
First responders to clear the woman dead on the scene.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
And someone actually wants me to buy the story that
she killed over this woman the picture of help from
brain cancer. Her family's stunned by that allegation. Joining me
an all star panel to make sense of what we
learn Right now, I'm dying to go to Lauren Colin Butt. First,
I've got to go to renown psychoanalyst doctor Bethany Marshall
(03:45):
joining us from la specifically.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Rodeo Drive aka Rodeo.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
You can see her now on Peacock, author of deal Breakers,
and she is at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany.
This whole picture just gives does the ick factor, the
scheve the something is very wrong. I'm not believing anything
anybody's telling me right now. If this were so open
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and shut, why has an elite task force been brought in?
But now I'm learning this rich guy in his sixties
is running around naked? Why does he have this gorgeous
young girl on his boat?
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
There he is known for him now for wandering about
playing his guitar.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Their words, not mine. I don't care.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
I don't care what he does until he's found standing
over a dead body. Then it's my business. Just the
whole picture is wrong. Dr Bethany, Now.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
See there's so much wrong with his story. Not only
is he running around naked throwing tubes of sunscreen at
other boats, but he's screaming, she's my girlfriend. She's not
his girlfriend. If he's wondering wrong naked strumming the guitar,
This guy has a huge overestimation of himself. Didn't he
invest about two hundred thousand dollars into her clothing business?
(05:10):
This sounds to me like a guy who is grossly
overestimating his importance to this young woman, placing himself front
and center into her life, taking his clothes off.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
On a boat.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Ooh, Not only does he have one boat, he has
two boats side by side. Isn't the other boat called
hell in a bucket or something like that? This is
more like hell and a handbounce.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Definite.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
So psychology brought that up number one boating aficionado's correction.
Yachtados would be angry that we call them boats. Okay,
I learned that a long time ago. All of his
yachts are named after or an homage to the grateful dead.
(05:57):
Not judging, don't care, but that's where the names are
coming from. To Lauren Colin joining me, following up on
what doctor Bethany Marshall said, Lauren Conlin, investigative reporter, star
of Pop Crime TV on YouTube, Lauren, isn't that right.
I'm going to get into all the new facts in
just a moment. But wasn't this guy up in his sixties?
(06:20):
I wonder where he got.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
All that money. I know he.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Owns the Durnham Group Insurance, but why is he calling
her his girlfriend? Why is he naked and she is
completely clothed at midnight She's already told her boyfriend, Hey,
I'm on the way home. I've got to drive all
the way back into the city from out here, but
(06:44):
I will be home before one am. And now she
never gets on the uber. I mean, everything is just wrong.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Her story and what we're learning about him does not jive.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Why is he running around saying she's his girlfriend.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
I think this is the big question, Nancy. I believe
that that is wishful thinking on Christopher Dernan's part. As
Bethany said, he did invest two hundred thousand dollars into
her business. I have questions about that. Did he believe
in the business. I mean, she is a beautiful woman,
as you stated. And the whole biting assault incident in
(07:22):
twenty twenty one that resulted in an arrest and also
a pretty hefty civil suit against Chris Dernon, which goes
back to me thinking that he's.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Got this time the way you said that, Lauren Conlin,
the biting incident, the incident when a grown man bites
another grown man, I mean, doctor Bethany Marshall, we need
a shrink.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
I haven't even gotten into all the facts right now.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
But biding, that's a whole another can of worms.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
I'm going to get to the biding incident.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
This guy who owns the Durna Group insurance company naked
running around claiming she's his girlfriend.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Why is he not doing CPR? But that aside, what
do you make of that?
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Well, biting is a sign of primitive rage. And when
I say primitive rage and aggression, I mean it comes
from a very infantile, childlike place. In other words, this
guy is not functioning in a manner that his prefrontal cortex,
or let's say, the breaking system in the brain, is
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working very well. It appears he has no breaking system
in his brain. What's interesting is that the man that
he bit was a first responder, a beloved member of society,
somebody who risked his life to help the public, and
this insurance guy bites him.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
This guy has not been charged with anything that I
know of since his biting attack on a first responder.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
But who is hey?
Speaker 6 (09:04):
Listen Dernin, who owns a workers comp insurance company, is
well known at the Montaka Yacht Company for guitar plane
usually mooring twenty two year old ripple next to second
vessel Hell in a bucket. Durnan invested at least two
hundred thousand dollars in Martha Nolan's latest fashion brand, East
by East.
Speaker 7 (09:22):
Dernan does have a criminal history, arrested on charges including
possession of a controlled substance and assault after biting firefighter
Michael balf darn impleaded to disorderly conduct and spend no
time behind bars.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Okay, let's do a quick compare. That's who the owner
of the Ripple and the Hell and a Bucket yacht is, Okay,
a rich guy with two yachts that bites people.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Who is the victim?
Speaker 8 (09:55):
Hi, I'm Martha, the founder, CEO, crew director of you
namer of East by East. We are launching a resort
ware line soon. We just got our first ride samples
back and I want you to share some first lucks
with you and see what you think.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
We got another crochet.
Speaker 8 (10:14):
This is Flora Len. You can see the beating, the
details absolutely stunning.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
On I tried it on. I think this will be
my best seller.
Speaker 7 (10:27):
Living her best life posting pictures with friends on private jets,
helicopters and yachts. Martha is becoming a legend as the
founder of fashion label East by East.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Okay, that gives me an idea about her. Martha noaen
a flatterer.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
She is. She came from a very small town.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
She worked her fingers to the bone to create a
fashion design business. I thought it was hard being a
minority in law school, hardly any women, much less trying
to get into the courtroom and be a felony prosecutor
as a woman. But breaking into the fashion designer business
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in New York City from for a small town girl.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
But she did it. And you know another thing that's.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Really interesting, which I really resent Dr Bethany Marshall. People
throwing stones at this girl because she tried to project
a certain image on in staff, Facebook, TikTok all, social
media that she was successful. Have you ever you've had
to deal with the realtor, right they always pull up
in like a gorgeous Mercedes or BMW. It's perfectly clean,
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and it smells really good, and they're perfect and they
have designer jewelry on. It's probably all least and borrowed
whatever to project a successful image.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Because then you, the customer thinks.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Wow, she must really be good at this because she
obviously is doing well, which means she's had a lot
of other clients. I really resent people attacking Martha because
of the image she tried to project off success.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
How do you think she got that two hundred thousand
investment right? Nancy?
Speaker 3 (12:17):
You know what, It's just called marketing. She's being a
smart young woman. Do you know how difficult it is
to start a clothing business? It requires so much money.
You have to be willing to work, to schmooze, to
make friends, and that piece that she's showing is absolutely gorgeous.
That crocheted cover up, I think it is. So why
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is this more suspicious than an old guy who has
two yachts at the Montauku Yacht Club side by side?
Like why is the man sort of off the hook
for displaying wealth? But she's being looked down on because
she's trying to promote herself and a healthy business model.
(12:59):
I mean, I think you were really at the end
of the day, Nancy, it's just blaming the victim and
blaming women for wanting to get ahead.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace, this woman so incredibly talented.
And you know, just the other day, doctor Bethany, a
very dear friend of mine who's a preschool mates friends
of the twins, that's how I met her, has a
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daughter and she doesn't like school. She doesn't like reading, writing,
and arithmetic, And I'm like, you know what, you got
to get her into college so she has, you know,
a path in the future. The mom showed me her
designer portfolio. I nearly fell over.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
It was amazing.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Granted I'm not a fashion maven, but the originality the beauty,
the crafting. I mean, it's an art and you have
to follow it. It's like a calling. And this girl
had it and now people attack her because of videos
just like this where she projected success.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
So, Nancy, here's what's interesting. That crocheted piece is a
piece of art. Okay, so it's not just a beach
cover up. It has beating. Do you know how difficult
it is to get beating on a garment? One of
my best friends is a clothing designer, so I know
all about this.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
You have to send it about how difficult it is
to get It's difficult garment.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
But please go ahead.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Well take several layers of production, so you have to
get the fabric, source the fabric, then you have to
send it out somewhere where they're going to hand so
all the beating on. Then you construct it into a garment.
But I'm going to ask you this, Nancy. If she
were a young, starving artist that was putting a painting
on Instagram, everybody would be applodding.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
But because she's a.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Gorgeous woman with a gorgeous product and her artistry is
just going around in an unusual way, she's being attacked
by all of us. It's what we see again and again, Nancy,
the more beautiful, the.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Woman, all of us. Don't throw me in that pot.
To Steve, I'm not attacking her.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
I'd like to attack whoever is responsible for her death.
But you know we're showing these beautiful images and talking
about her.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Dr Bethany. But back to Lauren Colin joining me.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Investigative reporter and star of Pop Crime TV on YouTube.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Lauren.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Today is an overwhelmingly sad day because this young lady
has been put to rest, with her mother reciting over
and over a prayer she normally recited every Tuesday, Saint
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Martha's prayer for intercession and comfort during adversity.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
I'm just thinking of the mom and the dad.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
I mean my dad when he would see me when
I graduated, when I was trying cases. They would come
watch the cases, particularly the worst ones I remember, and
dancing with the stars when I didn't get thrown off.
One night, Oh, I looked across the ballroom and my
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father was crying, crying about what I was going through.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Right, And I think of this mother back home in
a small town, putting.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Her daughter all those hopes, all those dreams, marrying her
and reciting Saint Martha's prayer.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
The funeral was today.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
Right correct today, and it was a beautiful funeral per
the Irish Independent. It was in a very small town,
her hometown of Carlow, Ireland, and they had an American
flag and an Irish flag next to her casket. And
her boyfriend spoke beautiful words about her, as did her
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sister Jackie. She spoke about this unbreakable love that they shared,
this sister bond, and to quote Jackie exactly, she said, quote,
you taught me everything I needed to know in life.
I didn't always see you, but I always knew you
were there. And oh my gosh, I'm about to cry
just saying that. But yes, it was a beautiful, beautiful service.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Hello.
Speaker 8 (17:41):
Hello, my name is Martha. I am the founder and
CEO of East by East. So east by East is
a resortwork round. East by East stands for you, work
for the Hamptons. A tadline is built in the city,
made for the song. I absolutely need a drore it.
I think it resonates with so many people on so
many level because of you. At some points, everyone in
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their lives are, you know, grinding city life.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
But everyone's just.
Speaker 8 (18:07):
Destined for the sun.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
I know, I am, and pretty much everyone else is.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Reminder to all, Dornan has not been charged with anything,
and we have no indication he will be charged with anything.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
This is a very big yacht club, spanning sixteen acres,
one of the largest marinas in the Hampton.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
You got a guy running around naked, running around and
screaming at the top of his lungs.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
That's my girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
That's my girlfriend on a yacht at risiyemonta yacht club.
This is an elite task force has been formed and
called in to investigate Martha's death.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
What happened on that yacht.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
When you don't know where to start, I usually start
with what I know about the victim. When I don't
know a lot about the victim, I look at the timeline.
I know that she was talking to her real boyfriend
just before she is found dead on the yacht.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
What more are we learning? Listen?
Speaker 4 (19:18):
The task force is made up of District Attorney investigators
and numerous law enforcement agencies, including East Hampton Town PD,
Suffolk County PD, the Suffolk County Sheriff's Office. In New
York State Police, The task force involvement has led to rumors,
but sources close to the investigation seeing nothing has been
ruled out.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
Homicide detectives are still questioning people close to Martha.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Straight back out to Lauren Colin, joining US investigative reporter
and start of pop Crime TV on YouTube. Lauren after Darnan,
the yacht owner, the guitarist, drumming, biting yacht owner ran
naked from the yacht.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yes, him, him? What happens then? Well, police began their investigation.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
Nancy, And I think you know, the biggest question here
that everybody is trying to figure out is what is
Martha's cause of death?
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Here?
Speaker 5 (20:16):
And now her autopsy report is inconclusive, but her family
they have a second autopsy underway for a second opinion.
And just last week the family attorney came out and said, look,
the media is being incredibly irresponsible here by saying that
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Martha died of an overdose. Everything is inconclusive. The family
has actually had a sit down with Seth County Home.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
They are deep.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
You're right, you're talking about author Idala, a long time colleague.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Take a listen to Idalla.
Speaker 9 (20:54):
Any report about her death just right now, let's does.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
And she's not accurate this regulation.
Speaker 9 (21:04):
We are in touch with the Digital Attorney's office. The
family has had to sit down with the Sunday Journeys
Home Side Detectiques. They are doing a deep, deep dive
and deep.
Speaker 10 (21:15):
Investigation there so may questions.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
There are.
Speaker 9 (21:23):
Analysis, technological analysis that is.
Speaker 11 (21:26):
Still being dark.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
That's our friend Arthur Idala.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Speaking and Lauren Colin managed to chase him down and
be there when he gave that statement. Any report regarding
cod is just right now, irresponsible, not accurate, speculation.
Speaker 9 (21:42):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Joseph Scott Morgan, Joe Scott.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Joe Scott, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Which has an incredible new building.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I was just there for its commemoration for Criminal Procedure
and Forensic Sciences. Author of Blood Beneath My Feet and
start of a hit podcast Body Back with Joe Scott Morgan,
Joe Scott.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Don't you just love it when conveniently.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
It turns out to be the victim's fault that she's dead.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
On a yacht at midnight.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Just as she's leaving to catch an uber to go
home to her boyfriends to their apartment, and the owner
is running around and naked. She did not show any
signs and od nothing. When she called the boyfriend, everything
was fine. She's like, Hey, I'm on the way home.
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I'm catching an uber, I'll be there before one am.
And then now she's dead and this naked dude's running around.
How convenient to try to suggest it's really her fault.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
She's dead.
Speaker 11 (22:48):
Yeah, and there's several flies in the proverbial appointment here, Nancy.
One of my sources actually revealed to me earlier this
week about that there was a white powdery substance found
in the salon area of the boat that was on
the surface of the bench.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Sorry, what's the salon area of a yacht?
Speaker 1 (23:12):
What is the salon?
Speaker 11 (23:14):
The salon is like the gathering area. It's almost like
a living room in this boat. It would kind of
be no pun intended, kind of sunken, if you will.
So there'll be like bench like seating in there that's
rather plush and comfortable. And one report had come out
early on that said there was a white powdery substance
found and implying that that was actually some type of
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illicit substance. Hey, Nancy, guess what it turned out to be?
Fingerprint dust. So there's a lot of unreliable information coming out.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Hold on, stop everything, stop stop stopping.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Old on, Joe Scott, I need to hear that again. Yeah,
will you tell me that one more time. This is
extremely significant.
Speaker 11 (23:59):
Yeah, because there's somebody that has released information about this
that is trying to drive the narrative I think relative
to this, try to because we don't have anything back
from the lab. We don't have anything regarding any contents
we're found on the on the vessel itself where they
were testing anything out there. Also, we don't have talks. Nancy,
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you and I have been doing this for a long time.
We know that toxcology results take a long time. And listen,
it doesn't matter what kind of priority we might think
the case has to have. It doesn't mean you're going
to get bumped up in the line for a post
mortem examination as far as talks goes at the State
Crime Lab. So we have to wait and see what's
going on. People are jumping to a lot of wild
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conclusions here, and let me just put it out there.
The me is saying that there is no trauma visible.
That's at least their initial statement to her remains. So
this remains a mystery.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
What were you saying about fingerprint dust?
Speaker 11 (24:56):
Yeah, yeah, So on the on the bench itself in
the lawn, there was dust on the surface of it.
People were actually saying early on that this was some
type of I unidentified substance, actually implying that it was
some type of drug residue. Well, nothing could be further
from the truth, at least at this point. But what
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has been confirmed is that that was actually fingerprint dust.
So we do know that crime scene elements were out
there dusting the surfaces looking for any kind of latent
prints that might have been in that area or adjacent
to her are on any number of the surfaces inside
this vessel.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Listen.
Speaker 12 (25:34):
Photos taken after Martha was found dead show a white
powdery substance scattered across the seat on the vessel. The
Suffolk County Police Department has not determined cause of death.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Exactly what Joe Scott Morgan is talking about. I want
to go out before a follow up on cod I
want to go out to a veteran trial lawyer. You
know him well, Matthew Mangino. I call him a last
meal Man. Ginoe, because you wrote a book, a book
called The Executioner's Toll. Crime's, arrest, trials, appeals, last meals
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forty six people across the US. Matthew One, thank you
for being with us tonight too.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
It's almost as if someone is going.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Out of their way to suggest this young girl died
of an od.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
They could possibly know that there.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Was no mention of a substance on her face, around
her nose or mouth. This substance we've been told earlier
to suggest there was.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
A cocaine overdose.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
It's turning out at this juncture anyway, to be fingerprint powder. Plus,
when I saw a photo of the scene, and I'll
go to you on this in a moment, Lauren Colin,
the powder that I saw was on the seat where
you sit, which is not commonly where people snort up coke. Right,
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She's sitting down when they snort up coke, and you
often see it like on a coffee table or a
flat surface that they can hold or something in.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Front of them.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
They don't get down on the floor on their knees
to sniff to stort.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Coke off the seat where they were just sitting.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
So when I saw that, it just went against every
crime scene I've ever processed.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
So who would be going to this.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Great length to put it out there that she died
of an od.
Speaker 9 (27:35):
Well, Nancy, someone's always trying to control the narrative in
situations like this, And you know, one of the things
that I thought was interesting is Joe Scott Morgan just
pointed out, is that that medical examiner said there was
no trauma, there was no violence involved in this, But
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that doesn't mean anything because this case is far from
being results. We know, we need to get toxicology back
in terms of the cause of death in this particular instance,
but we also need to look at, you know, what's
available in terms of criminal statutes in the state of
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New York. You know, you can be prosecuted simply for
furnishing drugs to somebody who ultimately dies. You know, whether
it's manslaughter or it's negligent homicide. There's a lot of
different directions this case can go. Even though there's no
trauma physically to the victim. You know, how did she die,
what caused her death, and who had a role in
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causing her death.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yeah, you know, I'm very curious about everything that you
just said, So let's go to the source. Joseph Scott Morgan.
There's no obvious sign of trauma. Okay, that is neither
here nor there. She could still when you look at
a dead body, for instance, if she had been suffocated,
you wouldn't really know that until you examine the PARTICULARI
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in the eye. Now, a manual or ligature strangulation, you
might see marks on the neck or maybe not, but
just off the top of my head. With an asphyxiation,
say with a pillow, let's just go with that, you
couldn't look in the body and tell what had happened.
Speaker 11 (29:22):
Not in every case. Sometimes with suffocation or smothering, you
will get presentations of the tiki, but they're rarer in
those cases as opposed to some kind of manual strangulation. Nancy,
I got to tell you one of the things that's
first off, if I can just say this, I am
amazed at the number of resources, and I think you
probably are too, whether you're not admitting it or not.
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The number of resources they're throwing at this thing. If
you're looking at an indication of how high on the
priority this is for law.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Enforcement, Tell Scotty, trust me, it's not about her, It's
about the Hamptons.
Speaker 11 (30:00):
Yeah happens.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yes, I only got invited a couple of times. But
I was definitely a dog upstairs. You know, you're somewhere
where you know you're not supposed to be, and you're
really not good enough to be there, so you have
to you have to go back downstairs.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
It's just feel comfortable, Yeah, just because this.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Is Ahamptons and everybody's nutting up this guy Dorning.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
He's not accused of anything.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
For all I know, he was just thrown the guitar
but naked as she killed over from brain.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Cancer for all I know.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
I'm not an MD, I'm not a death investigator like
Joe Scott Morgan. I don't know what happened, but I
can tell you this, when an elite task force is
assembled from multi jurisdictional agencies, that doesn't.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Happen every day. Again, we have.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
No reason to charge or accuse Dorning with any drug
related activity. Okay, all of his yacht neighbors said he
was always quote messed up. That could be on alcohol
or it could be completely false. That's what they said.
I haven't cross examined them. I don't know if they're
telling the truth. So he stands innocent and uncharged, completely
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innocent and uncharged. At this moment, all I really know
about him is he's a bider.
Speaker 7 (31:19):
Growing up, Martha studies commerce at university before earning a
master's in Digital marketing from the Smurfet Business School. Describing
herself as the small town girl who needed to get
out to achieve her big dreams, Martha says fashion is
a tough industry and it would be a slow road.
At twenty six, she leaves her small town and relocates
in New York City. Martha begins launching pop up events
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to promote her summerware fashion label East by East in
the Hamptons and quickly gains recognition.
Speaker 8 (31:47):
We had a first retail location pop up in Montaux
in the Montepee House, and Jah will be going back
there this summer, so you will see us there. Will
be doing some brond activations, some brown partnerships, some like
wellness stuff, and we will also of course throw some parties,
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some cool parties with really cool DJs. So yeah, stay
tuned for that.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Reminder to all, Dornan has not been charged with anything
and we have no indication he will be charged with anything.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
It is exclusive, it is wealthy. Everybody knows.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Everybody You're not just wealthy, You're mega wealthy.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
They want to keep it as clean as possible. They
do not want their dirty laundry, air designer drugs. There's
a lot of money out there, white glove services.
Speaker 6 (32:47):
They have to keep the property values up, they have
to keep the money flowing out.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
It's so exclusive even most New Yorkers don't know what
happens behind that pacade.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
And joining us now special guest Ron Abateman for share
of and Arundel County, former homicide undercover narcotics detective, author
of a crime trilogy, Silent Blue Tears. Ron, thank you
for being with us. I've been waiting for your analysis.
Hit me.
Speaker 8 (33:16):
Well.
Speaker 10 (33:17):
I think as the police saved their teeth into this case,
no pun intended. I think there's a couple of things
that are going to be really revealing. The first is,
of course toxicology, which we have talked about a lot,
but I think also is just going to be key
and which is going to guide the investigation is once
they got Durnham, who I'm not accusing either, got his
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clothes on, got him situated in the station and talked
to him, really curious to see how he lays out
the timeline what happened.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Again, he's not charged with anything. Crime stories with Nancy
Grace Matt Mangino. Come on, man, you're the veteran defense attorney.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
You got a gorgeous young girl dead and this old
guy running around but naked, screaming that's his girlfriend. If
there was not any sex activity planned, then why is
he running around naked?
Speaker 9 (34:19):
Well, there's a lot we still don't know. Again, he's naked.
Do we know whether the victim was clothed when when
they came there in the neighbor's.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Trying she's clothed.
Speaker 9 (34:35):
Okay, then she's clothed.
Speaker 8 (34:37):
But again it is.
Speaker 9 (34:41):
You know, can we insinuate from these circumstances. Sure, he's
a strange dude, and he does some weird things, and
he knows this woman obviously the victim, because he's blown
her money for her business. Why is he naked? You know,
he has to explain that to police. That's something that
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the police in terms of this investigation, not only talking
to him, but other people. We also know that there
may be other people in this boat. If there was
a fingerprint.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Really, that's the first I've heard of it. Did somebody
tell me somebody else was there.
Speaker 9 (35:18):
Why would the police be checking for fingerprints on accounter?
Speaker 1 (35:21):
What are they looking at? They do on every single
crime scene that ever existed. Once they learned what fingerprints were.
Speaker 9 (35:27):
Right and well, they're looking for somebody else. They're trying
to determine if somebody else. You don't need the fingerprints
of the victim and the person who owns the boat,
if he's there, to determine whether or.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Not you know, you really are something.
Speaker 9 (35:39):
You're looking for somebody else.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
You're amazing because if they didn't take fingerprints, the first
thing I would hear out of last meal, Matt Mangino
is they didn't take fingerprints.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
They're horrible. Of course they're taking fingerprints. I mean, but
I admire the way you did that. I've got a question.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Have you ever been on Dancing the Stars, because you
are an amazing dancer. You dance around every question I've
been asking you. The way you got out of why
is he's naked at that time of the night with
her fully clothed If it wasn't sexually intent, there were
no sex intentions on his part. I mean, your answer
was they'll have to ask him that. I'm asking you,
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Mangino why take a leap of logic, Let's follow it
through to its logical conclusion. She's completely clothed and he's
but naked.
Speaker 9 (36:32):
Hey, maybe he was getting in the shower while she
was sitting there, and all of a sudden he discovers
that she's laying on the ground unconscious. The first thing
he's going to do is is run for help. This
wasn't a guy that tried to hide it. He's throwing
bottles at his going, what did you just say?
Speaker 1 (36:47):
I need that? In slow mo?
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Maybe he was getting in the shower and what what
did you say?
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Please go full on him. I've got to see every
aspect of his demeanor.
Speaker 9 (36:55):
Well, he's he's about to get in the shower, she's
about to leave, and of course she finds. He finds
her laying unconscious on the floor, and he runs out naked,
looking for help. He wasn't hiding. He didn't go back
in the shower, he didn't go to bed.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
He went for help.
Speaker 9 (37:14):
He's trying to save this woman who's unconscious.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Okay, Joe Scott, please help me. My chest is hurting
right now. Did you hear that?
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Yes?
Speaker 11 (37:29):
I heard it? And what kind of assistance would you like,
I mean, listen, other.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Than CPR, I mean maybe he was in the shower
and came out of there and found her dead.
Speaker 11 (37:45):
Yeah, well, Matt's doing what defense attorneys do. All right,
You're right, he is dancing, He's waltzing at this point
in tom. The reality is this. I can't imagine a
person that is not certainly in an intimate relationship with
her presenting himself nude as she is laying on the floor,
no towel, You're going to run out of the place,
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and you're neked running up and down the walkway that's
adjacent to where these vessels are moored. I think it's
kind of odd. Now. I've had, you know, people that
have been finders refer to them as finders, finders of body,
and they'll react in any manner of way when you
get there. But the idea that he would run out
of this thing like his hair is on fire and
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screaming at the top is actually throwing things at people.
It seems like, I don't know, unreasonable, unexpected behavior from
a grown man, and he's you know, yeah, there's certain
ways to summon help. Was there anybody else on the vessel?
I think that is a good question. I think that
fingerprints can be used in order to assess that we
can also look for DNA. I'd like to know who
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else's DNA is on that.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Very Oh yeah, disagree, Joe Scott.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
They're going to find all sorts of fingerprints on that yacht.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
That doesn't mean those people were on the yacht. It
doesn't anything about those people at the time.
Speaker 11 (39:02):
She didn't right, right, But if this is a big mystery,
which it is right now, you're going to have to
go down the list to exclude these people if they
are in the fingerprint database. Same thing with DNA, because
it has been implied even by Matt that.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
This database, why I love you, all these rich people
the Hamptons are going to be in the database.
Speaker 11 (39:24):
No, no, no, no, oh well, I'm just remembering what
Laurence said. Laurence said they made a major drug bust
last year. I guarantee you some of those damp people
that were out in the Hamptons, they're in the database. Now.
I bet you do donuts on that. So I'm not
I don't care. How a good pointing you.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Okay, So, Ron Bateman, I can having prosecuted many many
drug cases, more than I can even count. I guarantee
you the people, the mules carrying the dope and flying
the little says nas. They don't live in the Hamptons. Okay, no, no,
they probably don't even w in this country. They're mules,
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you know, donkeys that carry drugs and deliver to the
rich people in the Hamptons. And when I say rich
people think extravagant parties, lavish lifestyle.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Over the top. What kind of party am I talking about?
A party like this?
Speaker 6 (40:24):
Before his fall from grace, did he lived an incredibly
lavish lifestyle, showcased best by his elaborate parties. Combs started
hosting his famous white parties in nineteen ninety eight, and
they quickly became the place to be on Labor Day
and invite, reinforcing your status in the entertainment industry. The
parties have been hosted in the Hamptons, Beverly Hills, and
even Saint Tropez, France. Many have called Combs a modern
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day Gadsby, a nickname he relished.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Oh please, I'm modern day Gaspy. Modern day Gasby is
killing his rear in behind bars right now.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
On prostitution charges.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
My point is that that was the party Ron Bateman,
where all of these are rich people out in the
Hamptons were eating sushi off a naked lady who was
served up like she was an appetizer, and her naked
body was covered in sushi and they were eating off
of her body. Okay, there's a lot I could say
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about that, but people are expendable, just like the naked
lady that was a serving tray, just like the people
that bring the drugs in the designer drugs for people
in the Hamptons, Montauk being the most elite section of
the Hamptons. So I don't know whose fingerprints you're going
to find there. But that said, of course they take fingerprints.
(41:43):
Of Course those people need to be ruled out if
they can be identified. Goes without saying, yes, it's.
Speaker 10 (41:49):
Lavish lifestyles, but made a good point. Fingerprints are also
great to rule out people, so that's one of the
benefits of fingerprints. But I think the key thing is
here his Raysied statement where he comes out up naked,
seize my girlfriend, she's my girlfriend. Wishful think in there, Bud, No,
(42:10):
she's not, never will be. Maybe you want her to
be because you've invested, you know, a crap ton of
money into her business. But no, that'll never happen. It
never will happen, obviously. But that's just something that's really key.
That's a tell all to me that or not to
tell all, but it's a real telling statement. You know
where he's shouting, she's my girlfriend. That's just ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Remind her to all.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Dornan has not been charged with anything, and we have
no indication he will be charged with anything.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
If you know or think you know anything.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
About Martha's death, have you heard something, did you see something?
Have you heard from somebody or heard from somebody? Anything
you could tell us. The investigation is on going. Tip
line sixty three one eight, five, two six, three nine
six repeat six three one eight, five two six, three
(43:12):
nine six.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
We wait as justice unfolds for Martha.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,
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Nancy Grace
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