September 12, 2025 • 32 mins
Shots ran out as Charlie Kirk sat on stage at a Utah Valley University event. The conservative activist reportedly hit near his neck and killed. According to reports, the shot was fired from the roof of a campus building about 200 yards away. Social Video posts show Kirk in a familiar pose, speaking into a handheld microphone, sitting under a white tent emblazoned with the slogans “The American Comeback” and “Prove Me Wrong.” The single shot booms and Kirk reaches up with his right hand. Blood gush from underneath. Today, President started the day tellling the nation a suspect was in custody. Tyler Robinson, 22, who lived at home with his parents. And it was his father that led to the arrest, identifying him in surveillance photos released by the FBI. The father told his son to turn himself in. With the help of a local youth pastor Robinson turned himself in.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime stores with Nancy Grace breaking news tonight.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
The lone shooter, the assassin that gunned down thirty one
year old Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
With a high degree of certainty, we have him.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, we got him.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
A massive manhunt.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
The suspect was taken into custody at ten pm local time.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
The assassin who gunned down a loving father of to
a husband.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
The suspect was apprehended in historic time period.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Right custody in custody.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
The assassin who guns down a father of two.
Speaker 5 (00:39):
He is observed on video in a plane, maroon T
shirt like colored shorts, a black hat with a white logo,
and light colored shoes arriving on UVU campus in a
Great Dodge Challenger at approximately eight twenty nine.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
A M.
Speaker 5 (00:54):
Tyler Robinson. Robinson had become more political in recent years.
A second on fired casing read oh belichow, belichow, belichow
chow chow. And a third on.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Fired casey read if you read this you are gay.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
His wife and two little children who will grow up
without daddy.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
This is a.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
Very sad day again for our country.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
And I do know this is going to be a
federal Okay, So, and there's many of us believe that
Charlie was targeted because of this political ideology. Yeah, what's
going to happen to this guy?
Speaker 6 (01:28):
Well, I hope it was going to be found guilty,
I would imagine, and I hope he.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Gets to death Federal Day.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
On the evening of September eleventh, a family member of
Tyler Robinson reached out to a family friend who contacted
the Washington County Sheriff's Office with information that Robinson had
confessed to them or implied that he had committed the incident.
This information was relayed to the Utah County Sheriff's Office
and seen investigators at Utah Awi University. This information was
(02:01):
also conveyed to the FBI. Investigators reviewed additional video footage
from UVU surveillance and identified Robinson arriving on UVU campus
in a Great Dodge Challenger at approximately eight twenty nine
am on September tenth, in which he is observed on
video in a Plaine maroon T shirt, light colored shorts,
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a black hat with a white logo, and light colored shoes.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
When encountered in.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
Person by investigators in Washington County on September twelfth, in
the early morning hours, Robinson was observed in consistent clothing
with those surveillance images. Investigators interviewed a family member of Robinson,
who stated that Robinson had become more political in recent years.
The family member referenced a recent incident in which Robinson
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came to dinner prior to September tenth, and in the
conversation with another family member, Robinson mentioned Charlie Kirk was
coming to UVU. They talked about why they didn't like
him and the viewpoints that he had. The family member
also stated Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate.
The family member also confirmed Robinson had a gray Dodge Challenger.
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Investigators identified an individual as the roommate of Robinson. Investigators
interviewed that roommate, who stated that his roommate, referring to Robinson,
made a joke on discord. Investigators asked if he would
show them the messages on discord. He opened it and
showed several messages to investigators and allowed investigators to take
photos of the screen as each message was shown by
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Robinson's roommate. These photos consisted of various messages, including content
of messages between the phone contact named Tyler with an
emoji icon and Robinson's roommate's device. The content of these
messages included messages affiliated with the contact Tyler, stating a
need to retrieve a rifle from a drop point, leaving
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the rifle in a book bush, messages related to visually
watching the area where a rifle was left, and a
message referring to having left the rifle wrapped in a towel.
The messages also referred to engraving bullets and a mention
of a scope and the rifle being unique. Messages from
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the contact Tyler also mentioned that he had changed outfits.
I know there has been speculation as well as to
the writing on those casings, those bullet casings, and I
believe we have that as well, and I will share
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that with you now. So, the area north of Campus
Drive Road where the suspect crossed over you saw some
of that in the video that we released last night,
consists of a grassy area with trees on the edge
of the UVU campus. Instigators discovered a bolt action rifle
wrapped in a dark colored towel. The rifle was determined
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to be a Mauser Model ninety eight thirty yacht six
thirty six caliber bolt action rifle. The rifle had a
scope mounted on top of it. Investigators noted inscriptions that
had been engraved on casings found with the rifle. Inscriptions
on a fired casing read notices bulge's capital wo, What's
(05:28):
this question?
Speaker 6 (05:29):
Mark.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
Inscriptions on the three unfired casings read hey fascist, exclamation point,
catch exclamation point, up arrow symbol, right arrow and a
symbol and three down arrow symbols. A second unfired casing
read oh bellichow bella chow bella chow chow chow. And
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a third unfired casing read if you read this, you
are gay LMAO.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
A little bit of the timeline.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Charlie was shot at twelve twenty three pm on Wednesday.
The first FBI agents arrived on scene in sixteen minutes
with chiefs of Police at twelve thirty nine and secured
the scene. The FBI immediately launched fixed wing assets. We
utilized these assets to transport personnel specialty technicians Hasa's rescue teams.
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We also utilize these assets to go back and forth
from the East Coast and here in Utah to transport
forensic evidence and other evidence that will be analyzed and
is being analyzed at our FBI laboratories in Quantico and
other laboratories, including the ATF. In my direction, the FBI
released the first set of FBI photos of the suspect
at ten am local time on nine to eleven. Then
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shortly thereafter, the FBI reward of one hundred thousand dollars
was released at ten forty five am Local myself and
Deputy Director Bondino arrived on the scene at approximately five
thirty PM on.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Nine to eleven.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
The Governor led a press conference last night a proximate
eight pm, where in my direction, the FBI released a
never before seen video of the suspect. We also released
new images to the public of the suspect, and just
last night, the suspect was taken into custody at ten
(07:17):
pm Local time, in less than thirty six hours thirty
three to be precise, Thanks to the full weight of
the federal government and leading out with the partners here
in the state of Utah and Governor Cox, the suspect
was apprehended in historic time period.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Joining us today.
Speaker 6 (07:35):
Dan Murphy, former NYPD detective sergeant, co host of gold
Shields podcast, Joseph Scott Morgan, professor at Jacksonville State University
and co host host of Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan.
As we begin today shocking announcement, we already have a
suspect in custody, Tyler Robinson, a twenty two year old
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Utah resident and a pent Carently he was turned in
or convinced to turn himself in by his father, who
is now being called the father of Justice, Matt Robinson.
Straight out to you, Joseph Scott Morgan. Ever since the
assassination of Charlie Kirk, there has been wide spread speculation
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as to everything that took place that day, from the shot,
to security to what actually transpired. I want to start
with the shot. We have a man in custody, so
let's start with him on the roof allegedly shooting Charlie
Kirk from at least two hundred yards.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Is that still what we believe? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (08:40):
Yeah, according to the reports that we're hearing, it sounds reasonable.
One of the interesting images that has emerged from the
inspection of that alleged sniper's nest, if we can call
it that, is that surface is on the roof is
actually a gravel surface, and there's an image that has
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that has been released of evidence markers around an area
that is literally impressed into that gravel surface that gives
you the impression when you see it that someone had
laid there for a protracted period of time.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
Now, Okay, on the top of a roof, oftentimes we
have tar and other things like that. Would that gravel
making it a kind of uneven surface? Would that create
a problem for somebody that is laying down to get
the shot.
Speaker 7 (09:33):
I wouldn't necessarily think so, particularly if they had any
knowledge of how of the weapon system that they're actually using,
and we don't know all of the details yet. He
may have brought something along to brace himself with. Keep
in mind, this kid actually had a backpack with him,
and in the military, I know from personal experience that
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you're trained to use things particularly you're in a prone
position that can brace your position and that that can
steady can steady your site picture. It wouldn't surprise me
if that if the backpack that he had up there
with him may have been used for that purpose.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
Okay, Dan Murphy, as a former detective sergeant, you're looking
at this from solving the crime, What is the first
step from the moment you learn that Charlie Kirk has
been shot, you don't know his condition. All you know
is we have a man shot. What is the first
thing you do when you start trying to solve the crime.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
First, you have to preserve the scene. The crime scene
is of paramount importance because that is going to live
with you for the remainder of this case. What you grab,
what you don't grab is vital. The second is witnesses,
eyewitnesses grabbing any and everybody that's on the scene that
may have seen something. Today in today's world, we want
to see cell phone coverage, cameras, everyone that was there
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who has a cell phone, a shot, any footage, bring
it in and it's all potential evidence. We want to
look around at cameras, surveillance cameras that are part of
the campus. We want to look at everything we can
look at who is parked in the parking lot. This
is a tremendous job that needs to be done by
a lot of people, but it's vital that those steps
begin immediately.
Speaker 6 (11:17):
You know, we did find out a number of things
as as we're doing this program. This is still a
breaking news story. It is evolving. We had We started
the day with President Donald Trump on Fox News announcing
that ninety nine percent sure we had the shooter in custody,
the alleged shooter. One of the things that we've been
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trying to figure out is who is this person who
would have shot Charlie Kirk. You know, he founded Turning
Point back in twenty twelve, and he has been.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
The subject of I don't know how to actually.
Speaker 6 (11:51):
Phrase this, but you know, he's outspoken, conservative Christian man
and he's been labeled a hater by those on the left,
just the way we lived today. But as you're trying
to figure out who is the shooter, we saw a
guy that looked like to be sixty years old in
short pants, you know, balding. We saw him in custody
briefly by police because he's you know, talking about I
(12:14):
do it again. We also had rumors that it was
a thirty year old man, that it was not a
college student. And what turns out to be the shooter
or the alleged shooter, is actually twenty two years old.
Is this something that either of you would expect as
we move forward. Would you have started by thinking this
is a college age person, or would you have thought
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somebody older would have been involved in the shooting.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
I would say you never never want to theorize as
to who you suspect is until your evidence points you're there.
That's a capital mistake to make, and people do it
all the time, and the media loves to jump because
we want to assign an identity to somebody. But the
fact of the matter is, you go with the evidence
lead you, and if it turns out to be somebody
who's older or younger, that's fine. Worry about what narrative
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it can fit later, but you look for the truth.
Speaker 6 (13:01):
You follow the evidence absolutely, Okay, Now, Joseph Scott Morgan,
we saw the shot. We saw Charlie Kirk sitting under
the tent. I want to point something out. You know,
before the shooting took place, there were about three thousand
paid that attended the event. Charlie Kirk was under a tent,
you know that he was sitting under, but there were
people fairly close to him right up front. Then there
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was a walkway area in the grass of probably twelve
feet I'm guessing, and then more people situated directly behind that.
And before the event actually got started, before he actually
was giving a speech.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
He was engaging with the audience.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
He was throwing hats and other things to the audience,
getting them kind of excited and pumped up before he spoke,
and then before he grabbed the mic to give a speech,
he actually was doing Q and A with the audience
and had them had two microphone set up and had
people going to either mic so they could actually begin
this speech by talking about things, by actually getting into
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a discussion. So he's a minute and a half into
this as he's sitting down in the tent before he
starts his speech, he's still answering questions from the crowd
when the shot rang out. We I say we all
saw it. Most of us have seen the video because
it was released on social media within seconds. It wasn't
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like the Zuppruiter film where we waited, you know, where
we didn't have anything for hours and then years later.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
This was immediate.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
And there are probably plenty of people who got shots
of that assassination that still have not posted it online.
Speaker 7 (14:34):
Yeah, the Saint Dallas nineteen sixty three. You know you're
going to have multiple povs here because, let's face itk
him or hate him, he's a media figure. He is
he was magnetic, and people want those kinds of images.
It's the world that we live in today. So you know,
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one hundred and eighty degrees probably three hundred and sixty
degrees in his orbit. There there were people videotaping. One
of the things that I think that those that are
going to be canvassing the area and talking to folks,
they're going to want to collect those images, particularly those
I think one of the more intriguing images that you
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would want is something that is more to Charlie's rear
looking back to where the shooter is. I think that
we've had one of those or two of those that
have leaked out. Trust me, there's more, and you know
that's not even counting. Like CCTV. I work at a university, guys.
I got to tell you, I can literally step out
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of the door of my building here at jack State
onto the quad and immediately I've got cameras all around
me that are observing me. If you're going to try
to pull something like this off and try to remain anonymous,
bad choice, because there is so much video evidence on
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a campus that they can pull it in seconds. Dollars
to donuts, I guarantee you that the state police, probably
the locals, and certainly the Feds. They descended on the
security area there that controls all of the cameras. They
have that data. Trust me not to mention everything else
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that's peripheral to that parking lots. We've heard a lot
about ring cams. Oh wow, Yeah, all of the cases
that we cover with Nancy. It seems like in the
last two years, ring cams come into play, don't they.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
They're everywhere you know.
Speaker 7 (16:33):
As well, And it's just it's just that the area
where this happened on a university campus is so tightly monitored,
and a lot of it has to do with student safety. Yeah,
bad choice, bad area to select if you're trying to
remain anonymous.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
Now, Dan Hampton background in New York as a detective sergeant. Look,
when we started breaking this story down beyond the shooting,
because that was just shocking, and I want to come
back to that in just a minute, Joe about what
that actual what shooting actually did.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
But first we've got a shoot her that.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
I'm going to say. The police were leaking information. It
looked like they were chumming the water. They were baiting
with pictures and things like that to try to get
information from the public. Is that a common thing to
expect it? Did police really use the media in that way?
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Dan, Absolutely, It can be your best friend, it could
be your worst enemy. But more often than your best friend,
when you distribute pictures to the media and the public
sees that, you have a far increased chance of getting
your person identified in a case like this. It was
a smart move to do. And we see that his
alleged discussion with his family where he put himself at
the scene having done it. At least that's what we're
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told that may have come as a result of all
the pressure involved because he couldn't hide it from them.
He's sitting on the news, that's me he had to
give it up. I think it was a smart move
and it's done commonly.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
And one of the things we saw Fox had video
of police he's taking down a camera over a garage,
which I found fascinating because we had neighbors from the
neighborhood when he allegedly made he shoots and then he's
off the building and there is actually video showing him jumping.
Then we see him limping as he's walking through backyards.
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Because they were getting calls and from residents saying, Hey,
I got a video of a guy running through the backyards,
So I'm going to assume that he hurt himself jumping
off the building as far as he had to jump,
and he's limping through the backyards. He ditched the bolt
action rifle on his escape route. Is that something that
you would expect? Did he drop it?
Speaker 1 (18:39):
What do you think? Why do you think we have
that gun?
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Well, he's got a distance that weapon from himself. Personally,
he can't be found with that weapon on him. It's
too incriminating. So he didn't want to leave it up
on the roof. He took it with him and he
figured it he would gain some time by ditching it.
Very common guns are thrown in lakes, rivers, off bridges
all the time, just to get rid of the evidence
as much as possible. Seated it in a very haphazard way.
This is not a career criminal or a professional assassin.
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This is a young kid who had the intention of
doing this, but didn't really think out the steps afterwards
as much as he thought he would. As far as
as far as jumping off the roof is concerned. One
of the things I would do as soon as I
saw any video footage of that. You check all area
hospitals and clinics that somebody come in with a broken ankle,
hurt leg. That's going to be one of your investigators.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
Who's in the fourth theater jumping from this in the balcony,
you know, breaks his leg. So now we've got a
suspect in custody. As this is a breaking story. The
man who allegedly shot Charlie Kirk twenty two year old
Utah resident Tyler Robinson. And by the way, guys, this
guy's not an idiot. Tyler Robinson actually had an academic
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scholarship to Logan, which is also a college in Utah.
He attended the college campus where he was, but only
for one semester. He's one of these really smart guys,
but at twenty two, has not achieved a whole lot.
I think that'll be something that we get Bethany on
to talk about. But there were multiple photos taken of
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him that have been released. We've got him in custody
turning himself in. We found out that he there keeps
saying he did it, but allegedly somebody wrote on the
shell casings a number of different inscriptions.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Governor Utah.
Speaker 6 (20:23):
Governor Spencer Cox actually listed out some of the things
that were written on one of the shellcasings. Hey, fascist catch.
I would encourage people to actually go look up your
definitions of what a fascist is and free speech and
those wonderful things we experienced here in the United States
of America and realize that a lot of us grew up. Hey,
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just do your own thing, you know, live and let
you live that. We're not at that point anymore.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Now.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
We're at this point where if if you disagree with
what I say, I deserve to die.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
And that's not us, that's not who we are. We've
got to stop this. Charlie Kirk spoke from the heart.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
He spoke for years trying to get people to think
deeper and to be honest with you.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
It was that that led to his death.
Speaker 6 (21:14):
People don't want him to share what he thinks because
they don't like it. And I'm telling you, we've got
to actually get some leaders that will talk about this
openly and honestly instead of burying it.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Now.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
Other words written on the shellcasings guys, oh bella chow
bella chow bella chow chow chow that's from an Italian
song dedicated to the resistance during World War Two. Another
one was if you this is actually meant as a joke. Okay,
if you read this, you are gay lmao. Another one
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notices bulges, Oh woh, what's this? Granted, I'm old and crazy,
Get off my long guy.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
What o wo means means, but it's part of an
internet meme that circulated I guess seven years.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Ago or so.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
But these things written on shellcasings? Is that also something
that is common in a shooting of this nature.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I have not seen it.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
I know in high profile cases recently it seems to
be a trend, but I have not seen it in
my career.
Speaker 6 (22:24):
Now, Joe, back to the shooting when Charlie Kirk was shot,
because a lot of us did see it before it
was blurred. I'm still shocked, amazed and saddened that we
saw this because normally we don't. Normally it's as it
is now if you actually find a version of it online,
it's going to be blurred. What did you see in
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terms of the shot hitting Charlie Kirk?
Speaker 7 (22:51):
Well, from my perspective when I was watching and I
watched one that was sent to me that was kind
of enhanced a bit, and the shot was tighter. These
physiological responses that you see as he has struck and
part of it. Also, I think that many people that
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follow your crime and that hear us talk about these
sorts of things, they don't appreciate the horror many times
that's involved in an event like this. How shocking it
is not obviously, I mean obviously to the victim, but
also those that are surrounding him. In this particular case,
if you go to the left, to the left of
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the mid line of the neck, this is where literally
the entrance is right up above the collar line. It
appeared to me you've got just a copious amount of
blood that immediately begins to issue forth from him. It's
been speculated, and I include myself in that group, that
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there's high probability that it nicked probably Juggler as well
as perhaps the carotid, given the amount of blood. Remember,
these are blood supplies and returns for the brain, and
the brain is the most vascular organ in the body.
It requires a lot to function.
Speaker 6 (24:16):
Would Charlie Kirk have been aware of what was going
on after that shot?
Speaker 7 (24:23):
That's hard to say, that's almost an unanswerable question. I
do know this that if you had seen this image
he draws, you can see him drawing his right hand
up and the thumb appears to be clutched. This is
a neuromuscular response to neurotrauma. You'll see it with the
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actually the brain, the brain stem and as well as
the spinal cord. All you got to do is watch
a football game and you'll see people that get their
bell rung. They'll fall to the ground and it almost
looks like a seizure, and then of course he topples
over to his left and begins to bleed out there.
I think there's a high probability that death was probably
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pretty quick at this point in time. You know. I
talked to Nancy the other day and I said, you know,
even if you'd had a group of vascular surgeons standing
right there with him, this is so traumatic that I
don't I think that it probably would have been unsurvivable
based upon what I've seen over the years and the
morgues and you know, and its scenes and that sort
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of thing.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
And please remember a game as we talk about the
assassination of Charlie Cook Kirk This is a father of two,
had a little girl, little boy, wife Erica.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
This is not us. This is not the best of us.
Speaker 6 (25:49):
We We've got to do more to stop this from happening.
We can have an exchange of ideas, friends and disagree
and move forward with this is just not us. So Dan,
I want to go thank you for a minute. As
the investigation starts getting now, it doesn't stop after the arrest.
This is like the beginning part of the investigation, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Yeah, there's so much work going on behind the scenes
right now and has been going on since the initial event.
Search warrants are being conducted at his residence, in his
car at many places. The actual owner of the weapon
is probably, no doubt, sitting in the police station right
now being interviewed as to how that weapon got into
this guy's hands if he's not the owner. They are
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retracing steps. They are watching video footage, as doctor Scott
said before, not just of the cameras on the campus,
but anything that might have been a trail that led
him to the scene. They're reviewing his credit card and
debit card statements. Where did he make purchases, what did
he do recently, where has he been looking at his
text messages. There is so much work going on and
so many witnesses are being interviewed to make a very complete,
(26:54):
very large package that is the investigation that will be
the case that will be presented to a injury and
ultimately to a jury. There's a lot of work and
it's all very important and right now I know there's
a lot of boots on the ground in that area
doing that work and in other places too. This is
a massive investigation now.
Speaker 6 (27:12):
One thing that we knew from the very beginning was
that we had a footprint, we had a palm print,
and possibly a forearm print. I want to stick with
the two that I'm actually familiar with, the footprint and
the palm print. Joseph Scott Morgan, you actually were talking
to me the other day about a palm print. We
have a national database of palm prints, just like we
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do fingerprints, correct.
Speaker 7 (27:36):
Yeah, yeah, we I mean, what will happen is on
a fingerprint card when somebody's rolled up and they're taken
into jail, you'll get a series of prints inked prints
in the past, I'm assuming that they can digitize these
as well, and traditionally you'll get an entirety of a print,
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it will encompass this. But here here's the rub. If
this kid has never been hooked up on charges in
the past, guess what, He's not going to be in
that database. So you know that that turns into kind
of a dead end. I was really fascinated, I think
by them talking about talking about a forearm that's not
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something that you know is normally printed, no, And I
think that that probably goes to some surface that he's
applying pressure to at that point. And we you know,
we excrete sweat and we excrete oil every day as
a matter of fact. That's we don't have fingerprints on
the tips of our fingers. We have friction ridges we
(28:43):
leave behind fingerprints, and so the same thing would apply
with kind of if your skin is greasy, you lay
it on a surface like this. What I'm wondering about,
is this going to be a spot where you can
harvest contact contact biological specimens from I'm thinking probably it
(29:04):
would be evidence rich in the sense that there would
be sweat, there would be oil that's you know, coming
out of the body. And also is there any partial
DNA you know, where you've got trace evidence of DNA
that's degraded skin cells sloughing off. I think that's important.
One other thing I'd love to bring you back to
(29:26):
is going to be these cartridges. You know, there's a
group of people that we forget about in forensics many times,
and that's question documents. They can get exemplars from this
guy relative to what is written on the shell casings,
and they can give you an idea if this, if
this has origins from his actual hand, how you know,
(29:49):
and were they engraved or were they written, you know,
because we don't know at this point.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
Well we've heard the term engraved, and my first thought
was did they have a diamond tip thing putting it
on there? Or was that just an expression of using
a sharpie?
Speaker 7 (30:03):
Yeah, exactly. So again back to Dan's point, this investigation
is so layered and so very intense that we're not
going to have all of this data at one time.
Don't expect it. As a matter of fact, I would
probably after this period of time, I would imagine we'll
(30:25):
see a lessening of information that's being released because they're
trying to put together a packet at this point, Tom
to bring this guy up on charges, and it's like
playing poker man, you're not going to show your hand.
I know the public wants the information. You'll hear things
from peripheries, but I would imagine that the authorities are
probably going to shut it down pretty quickly relative to
(30:47):
how much data is going to be coming out, because
they're going to be putting together a case. This is
where this begins.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
At this point, I don't expect Tyler Robinson to be
the end of the investigation in terms of an arrest Dan.
What are the chances that he was working with others.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
I think anything's on the table right now is a possibility.
Given what we know. We know he is, we believe
him to be the shooter. We have no idea who
he has been in contact with, who has helped him
in any way, shape or form make this happen, what
his motivating factors were, who maybe supplied the weapons, supplied
the money. There can be other people involved. He might
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be belonged to some group that we haven't heard about yet.
These are all things that are going to come out
at some point, and they may come out at trial.
But if there are more arrests, of course there'll be
more releases of information about why those persons are arrested,
but I wouldn't guess, I wouldn't venture. I guess either way.
It's right now. It's entirely see where the evidence takes you.
But they have only begun to dive into his world,
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meaning his electronic and his social media world, which is
going to speak volumes about who he is.
Speaker 6 (31:54):
I appreciate you guys taking the time today to join
as Dan Murphy and Joseph Scott Morgan, and big thanks
to all of you. We will continue to follow this case.
I'm Dave mac for Crime Stories with Nancy Grace
Crime stores with Nancy Grace breaking news tonight.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
The lone shooter, the assassin that gunned down thirty one
year old Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
With a high degree of certainty, we have him.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, we got him.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
A massive manhunt.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
The suspect was taken into custody at ten pm local time.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
The assassin who gunned down a loving father of to
a husband.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
The suspect was apprehended in historic time period.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Right custody in custody.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
The assassin who guns down a father of two.
Speaker 5 (00:39):
He is observed on video in a plane, maroon T
shirt like colored shorts, a black hat with a white logo,
and light colored shoes arriving on UVU campus in a
Great Dodge Challenger at approximately eight twenty nine.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
A M.
Speaker 5 (00:54):
Tyler Robinson. Robinson had become more political in recent years.
A second on fired casing read oh belichow, belichow, belichow
chow chow. And a third on.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Fired casey read if you read this you are gay.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
His wife and two little children who will grow up
without daddy.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
This is a.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
Very sad day again for our country.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
And I do know this is going to be a
federal Okay, So, and there's many of us believe that
Charlie was targeted because of this political ideology. Yeah, what's
going to happen to this guy?
Speaker 6 (01:28):
Well, I hope it was going to be found guilty,
I would imagine, and I hope he.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Gets to death Federal Day.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
On the evening of September eleventh, a family member of
Tyler Robinson reached out to a family friend who contacted
the Washington County Sheriff's Office with information that Robinson had
confessed to them or implied that he had committed the incident.
This information was relayed to the Utah County Sheriff's Office
and seen investigators at Utah Awi University. This information was
(02:01):
also conveyed to the FBI. Investigators reviewed additional video footage
from UVU surveillance and identified Robinson arriving on UVU campus
in a Great Dodge Challenger at approximately eight twenty nine
am on September tenth, in which he is observed on
video in a Plaine maroon T shirt, light colored shorts,
(02:23):
a black hat with a white logo, and light colored shoes.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
When encountered in.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
Person by investigators in Washington County on September twelfth, in
the early morning hours, Robinson was observed in consistent clothing
with those surveillance images. Investigators interviewed a family member of Robinson,
who stated that Robinson had become more political in recent years.
The family member referenced a recent incident in which Robinson
(02:49):
came to dinner prior to September tenth, and in the
conversation with another family member, Robinson mentioned Charlie Kirk was
coming to UVU. They talked about why they didn't like
him and the viewpoints that he had. The family member
also stated Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate.
The family member also confirmed Robinson had a gray Dodge Challenger.
(03:12):
Investigators identified an individual as the roommate of Robinson. Investigators
interviewed that roommate, who stated that his roommate, referring to Robinson,
made a joke on discord. Investigators asked if he would
show them the messages on discord. He opened it and
showed several messages to investigators and allowed investigators to take
photos of the screen as each message was shown by
(03:35):
Robinson's roommate. These photos consisted of various messages, including content
of messages between the phone contact named Tyler with an
emoji icon and Robinson's roommate's device. The content of these
messages included messages affiliated with the contact Tyler, stating a
need to retrieve a rifle from a drop point, leaving
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the rifle in a book bush, messages related to visually
watching the area where a rifle was left, and a
message referring to having left the rifle wrapped in a towel.
The messages also referred to engraving bullets and a mention
of a scope and the rifle being unique. Messages from
(04:21):
the contact Tyler also mentioned that he had changed outfits.
I know there has been speculation as well as to
the writing on those casings, those bullet casings, and I
believe we have that as well, and I will share
(04:43):
that with you now. So, the area north of Campus
Drive Road where the suspect crossed over you saw some
of that in the video that we released last night,
consists of a grassy area with trees on the edge
of the UVU campus. Instigators discovered a bolt action rifle
wrapped in a dark colored towel. The rifle was determined
(05:06):
to be a Mauser Model ninety eight thirty yacht six
thirty six caliber bolt action rifle. The rifle had a
scope mounted on top of it. Investigators noted inscriptions that
had been engraved on casings found with the rifle. Inscriptions
on a fired casing read notices bulge's capital wo, What's
(05:28):
this question?
Speaker 6 (05:29):
Mark.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
Inscriptions on the three unfired casings read hey fascist, exclamation point,
catch exclamation point, up arrow symbol, right arrow and a
symbol and three down arrow symbols. A second unfired casing
read oh bellichow bella chow bella chow chow chow. And
(05:50):
a third unfired casing read if you read this, you
are gay LMAO.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
A little bit of the timeline.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Charlie was shot at twelve twenty three pm on Wednesday.
The first FBI agents arrived on scene in sixteen minutes
with chiefs of Police at twelve thirty nine and secured
the scene. The FBI immediately launched fixed wing assets. We
utilized these assets to transport personnel specialty technicians Hasa's rescue teams.
(06:20):
We also utilize these assets to go back and forth
from the East Coast and here in Utah to transport
forensic evidence and other evidence that will be analyzed and
is being analyzed at our FBI laboratories in Quantico and
other laboratories, including the ATF. In my direction, the FBI
released the first set of FBI photos of the suspect
at ten am local time on nine to eleven. Then
(06:43):
shortly thereafter, the FBI reward of one hundred thousand dollars
was released at ten forty five am Local myself and
Deputy Director Bondino arrived on the scene at approximately five
thirty PM on.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Nine to eleven.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
The Governor led a press conference last night a proximate
eight pm, where in my direction, the FBI released a
never before seen video of the suspect. We also released
new images to the public of the suspect, and just
last night, the suspect was taken into custody at ten
(07:17):
pm Local time, in less than thirty six hours thirty
three to be precise, Thanks to the full weight of
the federal government and leading out with the partners here
in the state of Utah and Governor Cox, the suspect
was apprehended in historic time period.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Joining us today.
Speaker 6 (07:35):
Dan Murphy, former NYPD detective sergeant, co host of gold
Shields podcast, Joseph Scott Morgan, professor at Jacksonville State University
and co host host of Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan.
As we begin today shocking announcement, we already have a
suspect in custody, Tyler Robinson, a twenty two year old
(07:58):
Utah resident and a pent Carently he was turned in
or convinced to turn himself in by his father, who
is now being called the father of Justice, Matt Robinson.
Straight out to you, Joseph Scott Morgan. Ever since the
assassination of Charlie Kirk, there has been wide spread speculation
(08:19):
as to everything that took place that day, from the shot,
to security to what actually transpired. I want to start
with the shot. We have a man in custody, so
let's start with him on the roof allegedly shooting Charlie
Kirk from at least two hundred yards.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Is that still what we believe? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (08:40):
Yeah, according to the reports that we're hearing, it sounds reasonable.
One of the interesting images that has emerged from the
inspection of that alleged sniper's nest, if we can call
it that, is that surface is on the roof is
actually a gravel surface, and there's an image that has
(09:03):
that has been released of evidence markers around an area
that is literally impressed into that gravel surface that gives
you the impression when you see it that someone had
laid there for a protracted period of time.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
Now, Okay, on the top of a roof, oftentimes we
have tar and other things like that. Would that gravel
making it a kind of uneven surface? Would that create
a problem for somebody that is laying down to get
the shot.
Speaker 7 (09:33):
I wouldn't necessarily think so, particularly if they had any
knowledge of how of the weapon system that they're actually using,
and we don't know all of the details yet. He
may have brought something along to brace himself with. Keep
in mind, this kid actually had a backpack with him,
and in the military, I know from personal experience that
(09:57):
you're trained to use things particularly you're in a prone
position that can brace your position and that that can
steady can steady your site picture. It wouldn't surprise me
if that if the backpack that he had up there
with him may have been used for that purpose.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
Okay, Dan Murphy, as a former detective sergeant, you're looking
at this from solving the crime, What is the first
step from the moment you learn that Charlie Kirk has
been shot, you don't know his condition. All you know
is we have a man shot. What is the first
thing you do when you start trying to solve the crime.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
First, you have to preserve the scene. The crime scene
is of paramount importance because that is going to live
with you for the remainder of this case. What you grab,
what you don't grab is vital. The second is witnesses,
eyewitnesses grabbing any and everybody that's on the scene that
may have seen something. Today in today's world, we want
to see cell phone coverage, cameras, everyone that was there
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who has a cell phone, a shot, any footage, bring
it in and it's all potential evidence. We want to
look around at cameras, surveillance cameras that are part of
the campus. We want to look at everything we can
look at who is parked in the parking lot. This
is a tremendous job that needs to be done by
a lot of people, but it's vital that those steps
begin immediately.
Speaker 6 (11:17):
You know, we did find out a number of things
as as we're doing this program. This is still a
breaking news story. It is evolving. We had We started
the day with President Donald Trump on Fox News announcing
that ninety nine percent sure we had the shooter in custody,
the alleged shooter. One of the things that we've been
(11:37):
trying to figure out is who is this person who
would have shot Charlie Kirk. You know, he founded Turning
Point back in twenty twelve, and he has been.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
The subject of I don't know how to actually.
Speaker 6 (11:51):
Phrase this, but you know, he's outspoken, conservative Christian man
and he's been labeled a hater by those on the left,
just the way we lived today. But as you're trying
to figure out who is the shooter, we saw a
guy that looked like to be sixty years old in
short pants, you know, balding. We saw him in custody
briefly by police because he's you know, talking about I
(12:14):
do it again. We also had rumors that it was
a thirty year old man, that it was not a
college student. And what turns out to be the shooter
or the alleged shooter, is actually twenty two years old.
Is this something that either of you would expect as
we move forward. Would you have started by thinking this
is a college age person, or would you have thought
(12:34):
somebody older would have been involved in the shooting.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
I would say you never never want to theorize as
to who you suspect is until your evidence points you're there.
That's a capital mistake to make, and people do it
all the time, and the media loves to jump because
we want to assign an identity to somebody. But the
fact of the matter is, you go with the evidence
lead you, and if it turns out to be somebody
who's older or younger, that's fine. Worry about what narrative
(12:58):
it can fit later, but you look for the truth.
Speaker 6 (13:01):
You follow the evidence absolutely, Okay, Now, Joseph Scott Morgan,
we saw the shot. We saw Charlie Kirk sitting under
the tent. I want to point something out. You know,
before the shooting took place, there were about three thousand
paid that attended the event. Charlie Kirk was under a tent,
you know that he was sitting under, but there were
people fairly close to him right up front. Then there
(13:23):
was a walkway area in the grass of probably twelve
feet I'm guessing, and then more people situated directly behind that.
And before the event actually got started, before he actually
was giving a speech.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
He was engaging with the audience.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
He was throwing hats and other things to the audience,
getting them kind of excited and pumped up before he spoke,
and then before he grabbed the mic to give a speech,
he actually was doing Q and A with the audience
and had them had two microphone set up and had
people going to either mic so they could actually begin
this speech by talking about things, by actually getting into
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a discussion. So he's a minute and a half into
this as he's sitting down in the tent before he
starts his speech, he's still answering questions from the crowd
when the shot rang out. We I say we all
saw it. Most of us have seen the video because
it was released on social media within seconds. It wasn't
(14:18):
like the Zuppruiter film where we waited, you know, where
we didn't have anything for hours and then years later.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
This was immediate.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
And there are probably plenty of people who got shots
of that assassination that still have not posted it online.
Speaker 7 (14:34):
Yeah, the Saint Dallas nineteen sixty three. You know you're
going to have multiple povs here because, let's face itk
him or hate him, he's a media figure. He is
he was magnetic, and people want those kinds of images.
It's the world that we live in today. So you know,
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one hundred and eighty degrees probably three hundred and sixty
degrees in his orbit. There there were people videotaping. One
of the things that I think that those that are
going to be canvassing the area and talking to folks,
they're going to want to collect those images, particularly those
I think one of the more intriguing images that you
(15:16):
would want is something that is more to Charlie's rear
looking back to where the shooter is. I think that
we've had one of those or two of those that
have leaked out. Trust me, there's more, and you know
that's not even counting. Like CCTV. I work at a university, guys.
I got to tell you, I can literally step out
(15:37):
of the door of my building here at jack State
onto the quad and immediately I've got cameras all around
me that are observing me. If you're going to try
to pull something like this off and try to remain anonymous,
bad choice, because there is so much video evidence on
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a campus that they can pull it in seconds. Dollars
to donuts, I guarantee you that the state police, probably
the locals, and certainly the Feds. They descended on the
security area there that controls all of the cameras. They
have that data. Trust me not to mention everything else
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that's peripheral to that parking lots. We've heard a lot
about ring cams. Oh wow, Yeah, all of the cases
that we cover with Nancy. It seems like in the
last two years, ring cams come into play, don't they.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
They're everywhere you know.
Speaker 7 (16:33):
As well, And it's just it's just that the area
where this happened on a university campus is so tightly monitored,
and a lot of it has to do with student safety. Yeah,
bad choice, bad area to select if you're trying to
remain anonymous.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
Now, Dan Hampton background in New York as a detective sergeant. Look,
when we started breaking this story down beyond the shooting,
because that was just shocking, and I want to come
back to that in just a minute, Joe about what
that actual what shooting actually did.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
But first we've got a shoot her that.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
I'm going to say. The police were leaking information. It
looked like they were chumming the water. They were baiting
with pictures and things like that to try to get
information from the public. Is that a common thing to
expect it? Did police really use the media in that way?
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Dan, Absolutely, It can be your best friend, it could
be your worst enemy. But more often than your best friend,
when you distribute pictures to the media and the public
sees that, you have a far increased chance of getting
your person identified in a case like this. It was
a smart move to do. And we see that his
alleged discussion with his family where he put himself at
the scene having done it. At least that's what we're
(17:44):
told that may have come as a result of all
the pressure involved because he couldn't hide it from them.
He's sitting on the news, that's me he had to
give it up. I think it was a smart move
and it's done commonly.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
And one of the things we saw Fox had video
of police he's taking down a camera over a garage,
which I found fascinating because we had neighbors from the
neighborhood when he allegedly made he shoots and then he's
off the building and there is actually video showing him jumping.
Then we see him limping as he's walking through backyards.
(18:18):
Because they were getting calls and from residents saying, Hey,
I got a video of a guy running through the backyards,
So I'm going to assume that he hurt himself jumping
off the building as far as he had to jump,
and he's limping through the backyards. He ditched the bolt
action rifle on his escape route. Is that something that
you would expect? Did he drop it?
Speaker 1 (18:39):
What do you think? Why do you think we have
that gun?
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Well, he's got a distance that weapon from himself. Personally,
he can't be found with that weapon on him. It's
too incriminating. So he didn't want to leave it up
on the roof. He took it with him and he
figured it he would gain some time by ditching it.
Very common guns are thrown in lakes, rivers, off bridges
all the time, just to get rid of the evidence
as much as possible. Seated it in a very haphazard way.
This is not a career criminal or a professional assassin.
(19:04):
This is a young kid who had the intention of
doing this, but didn't really think out the steps afterwards
as much as he thought he would. As far as
as far as jumping off the roof is concerned. One
of the things I would do as soon as I
saw any video footage of that. You check all area
hospitals and clinics that somebody come in with a broken ankle,
hurt leg. That's going to be one of your investigators.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
Who's in the fourth theater jumping from this in the balcony,
you know, breaks his leg. So now we've got a
suspect in custody. As this is a breaking story. The
man who allegedly shot Charlie Kirk twenty two year old
Utah resident Tyler Robinson. And by the way, guys, this
guy's not an idiot. Tyler Robinson actually had an academic
(19:44):
scholarship to Logan, which is also a college in Utah.
He attended the college campus where he was, but only
for one semester. He's one of these really smart guys,
but at twenty two, has not achieved a whole lot.
I think that'll be something that we get Bethany on
to talk about. But there were multiple photos taken of
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him that have been released. We've got him in custody
turning himself in. We found out that he there keeps
saying he did it, but allegedly somebody wrote on the
shell casings a number of different inscriptions.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Governor Utah.
Speaker 6 (20:23):
Governor Spencer Cox actually listed out some of the things
that were written on one of the shellcasings. Hey, fascist catch.
I would encourage people to actually go look up your
definitions of what a fascist is and free speech and
those wonderful things we experienced here in the United States
of America and realize that a lot of us grew up. Hey,
(20:48):
just do your own thing, you know, live and let
you live that. We're not at that point anymore.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Now.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
We're at this point where if if you disagree with
what I say, I deserve to die.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
And that's not us, that's not who we are. We've
got to stop this. Charlie Kirk spoke from the heart.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
He spoke for years trying to get people to think
deeper and to be honest with you.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
It was that that led to his death.
Speaker 6 (21:14):
People don't want him to share what he thinks because
they don't like it. And I'm telling you, we've got
to actually get some leaders that will talk about this
openly and honestly instead of burying it.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Now.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
Other words written on the shellcasings guys, oh bella chow
bella chow bella chow chow chow that's from an Italian
song dedicated to the resistance during World War Two. Another
one was if you this is actually meant as a joke. Okay,
if you read this, you are gay lmao. Another one
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notices bulges, Oh woh, what's this? Granted, I'm old and crazy,
Get off my long guy.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
What o wo means means, but it's part of an
internet meme that circulated I guess seven years.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Ago or so.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
But these things written on shellcasings? Is that also something
that is common in a shooting of this nature.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I have not seen it.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
I know in high profile cases recently it seems to
be a trend, but I have not seen it in
my career.
Speaker 6 (22:24):
Now, Joe, back to the shooting when Charlie Kirk was shot,
because a lot of us did see it before it
was blurred. I'm still shocked, amazed and saddened that we
saw this because normally we don't. Normally it's as it
is now if you actually find a version of it online,
it's going to be blurred. What did you see in
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terms of the shot hitting Charlie Kirk?
Speaker 7 (22:51):
Well, from my perspective when I was watching and I
watched one that was sent to me that was kind
of enhanced a bit, and the shot was tighter. These
physiological responses that you see as he has struck and
part of it. Also, I think that many people that
(23:12):
follow your crime and that hear us talk about these
sorts of things, they don't appreciate the horror many times
that's involved in an event like this. How shocking it
is not obviously, I mean obviously to the victim, but
also those that are surrounding him. In this particular case,
if you go to the left, to the left of
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the mid line of the neck, this is where literally
the entrance is right up above the collar line. It
appeared to me you've got just a copious amount of
blood that immediately begins to issue forth from him. It's
been speculated, and I include myself in that group, that
(23:55):
there's high probability that it nicked probably Juggler as well
as perhaps the carotid, given the amount of blood. Remember,
these are blood supplies and returns for the brain, and
the brain is the most vascular organ in the body.
It requires a lot to function.
Speaker 6 (24:16):
Would Charlie Kirk have been aware of what was going
on after that shot?
Speaker 7 (24:23):
That's hard to say, that's almost an unanswerable question. I
do know this that if you had seen this image
he draws, you can see him drawing his right hand
up and the thumb appears to be clutched. This is
a neuromuscular response to neurotrauma. You'll see it with the
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actually the brain, the brain stem and as well as
the spinal cord. All you got to do is watch
a football game and you'll see people that get their
bell rung. They'll fall to the ground and it almost
looks like a seizure, and then of course he topples
over to his left and begins to bleed out there.
I think there's a high probability that death was probably
(25:12):
pretty quick at this point in time. You know. I
talked to Nancy the other day and I said, you know,
even if you'd had a group of vascular surgeons standing
right there with him, this is so traumatic that I
don't I think that it probably would have been unsurvivable
based upon what I've seen over the years and the
morgues and you know, and its scenes and that sort
(25:34):
of thing.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
And please remember a game as we talk about the
assassination of Charlie Cook Kirk This is a father of two,
had a little girl, little boy, wife Erica.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
This is not us. This is not the best of us.
Speaker 6 (25:49):
We We've got to do more to stop this from happening.
We can have an exchange of ideas, friends and disagree
and move forward with this is just not us. So Dan,
I want to go thank you for a minute. As
the investigation starts getting now, it doesn't stop after the arrest.
This is like the beginning part of the investigation, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Yeah, there's so much work going on behind the scenes
right now and has been going on since the initial event.
Search warrants are being conducted at his residence, in his
car at many places. The actual owner of the weapon
is probably, no doubt, sitting in the police station right
now being interviewed as to how that weapon got into
this guy's hands if he's not the owner. They are
(26:31):
retracing steps. They are watching video footage, as doctor Scott
said before, not just of the cameras on the campus,
but anything that might have been a trail that led
him to the scene. They're reviewing his credit card and
debit card statements. Where did he make purchases, what did
he do recently, where has he been looking at his
text messages. There is so much work going on and
so many witnesses are being interviewed to make a very complete,
(26:54):
very large package that is the investigation that will be
the case that will be presented to a injury and
ultimately to a jury. There's a lot of work and
it's all very important and right now I know there's
a lot of boots on the ground in that area
doing that work and in other places too. This is
a massive investigation now.
Speaker 6 (27:12):
One thing that we knew from the very beginning was
that we had a footprint, we had a palm print,
and possibly a forearm print. I want to stick with
the two that I'm actually familiar with, the footprint and
the palm print. Joseph Scott Morgan, you actually were talking
to me the other day about a palm print. We
have a national database of palm prints, just like we
(27:34):
do fingerprints, correct.
Speaker 7 (27:36):
Yeah, yeah, we I mean, what will happen is on
a fingerprint card when somebody's rolled up and they're taken
into jail, you'll get a series of prints inked prints
in the past, I'm assuming that they can digitize these
as well, and traditionally you'll get an entirety of a print,
(27:58):
it will encompass this. But here here's the rub. If
this kid has never been hooked up on charges in
the past, guess what, He's not going to be in
that database. So you know that that turns into kind
of a dead end. I was really fascinated, I think
by them talking about talking about a forearm that's not
(28:21):
something that you know is normally printed, no, And I
think that that probably goes to some surface that he's
applying pressure to at that point. And we you know,
we excrete sweat and we excrete oil every day as
a matter of fact. That's we don't have fingerprints on
the tips of our fingers. We have friction ridges we
(28:43):
leave behind fingerprints, and so the same thing would apply
with kind of if your skin is greasy, you lay
it on a surface like this. What I'm wondering about,
is this going to be a spot where you can
harvest contact contact biological specimens from I'm thinking probably it
(29:04):
would be evidence rich in the sense that there would
be sweat, there would be oil that's you know, coming
out of the body. And also is there any partial
DNA you know, where you've got trace evidence of DNA
that's degraded skin cells sloughing off. I think that's important.
One other thing I'd love to bring you back to
(29:26):
is going to be these cartridges. You know, there's a
group of people that we forget about in forensics many times,
and that's question documents. They can get exemplars from this
guy relative to what is written on the shell casings,
and they can give you an idea if this, if
this has origins from his actual hand, how you know,
(29:49):
and were they engraved or were they written, you know,
because we don't know at this point.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
Well we've heard the term engraved, and my first thought
was did they have a diamond tip thing putting it
on there? Or was that just an expression of using
a sharpie?
Speaker 7 (30:03):
Yeah, exactly. So again back to Dan's point, this investigation
is so layered and so very intense that we're not
going to have all of this data at one time.
Don't expect it. As a matter of fact, I would
probably after this period of time, I would imagine we'll
(30:25):
see a lessening of information that's being released because they're
trying to put together a packet at this point, Tom
to bring this guy up on charges, and it's like
playing poker man, you're not going to show your hand.
I know the public wants the information. You'll hear things
from peripheries, but I would imagine that the authorities are
probably going to shut it down pretty quickly relative to
(30:47):
how much data is going to be coming out, because
they're going to be putting together a case. This is
where this begins.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
At this point, I don't expect Tyler Robinson to be
the end of the investigation in terms of an arrest Dan.
What are the chances that he was working with others.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
I think anything's on the table right now is a possibility.
Given what we know. We know he is, we believe
him to be the shooter. We have no idea who
he has been in contact with, who has helped him
in any way, shape or form make this happen, what
his motivating factors were, who maybe supplied the weapons, supplied
the money. There can be other people involved. He might
(31:25):
be belonged to some group that we haven't heard about yet.
These are all things that are going to come out
at some point, and they may come out at trial.
But if there are more arrests, of course there'll be
more releases of information about why those persons are arrested,
but I wouldn't guess, I wouldn't venture. I guess either way.
It's right now. It's entirely see where the evidence takes you.
But they have only begun to dive into his world,
(31:48):
meaning his electronic and his social media world, which is
going to speak volumes about who he is.
Speaker 6 (31:54):
I appreciate you guys taking the time today to join
as Dan Murphy and Joseph Scott Morgan, and big thanks
to all of you. We will continue to follow this case.
I'm Dave mac for Crime Stories with Nancy Grace
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