November 19, 2025 • 47 mins
Shocking information uncovered by the LAPD has the investigation spotlight finally pointing on David Anthony Burke.
Investigators have developed new information leading to the belief that Celeste likely died in the spring of this year, and the death is being tentatively treated as a possible homicide, but officials are waiting on an official cause of death from the medical examiner.
The LAPD has been working on a timeline of activity for Celeste Rivas Hernandez and Burke, and an insider with the police investigation says they have been able to determine that in the spring of this year, Burke took a secret trip in the middle of the night to a remote area of Santa Barbara County. Burke remains in the area for several hours.
As Burke becomes a suspect in the possible homicide of a child, police say it is likely Burke had help in dismembering and disposing of Celeste’s body. Burke still has not made a public announcement about Celeste being found in his car, and after initially saying Burke was cooperating with the investigation, the singer has not been cooperative during the last two months.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Jo-Anna Nieves - Criminal Defense Attorney and Founder of The Nieves Law Firm; Instagram, Facebook and X: nieveslawfirm, YouTube and TikTok: thenieveslawfirm
- Dr. Geri-Lynn Utter - Clinical Psychologist Specializing in Psychological Evaluations and Risk Assessments for Individuals Involved in the Criminal Justice System, Author of, “Mainlining Philly: Survival, Hope and Resisting Drug Addition,” and “Aftershock: How Past Event Shake Up Your Life Today;" Producer of “Utter Nonsense,” a documentary of exploration of addition and severe mental illness, available to stream on Apple TV and Prime Video; Instagram & Facebook: DrGeriLynnUtter
- Moses Castillo - Private Investigator for the Dordulian Law Group, Former Supervisor Detective with the Los Angeles Police Department
- Joseph Scott Morgan - Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University, Author of "Blood Beneath My Feet," and Host: "Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan;" Instagram @JoScottForensic,
- Dave Mack - Investigative Reporter, ‘Crime Stories’
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace closing in reports of surfacing.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
That the musician D four VD known as David David
Anthony Burke, is finally being viewed as a suspect in
Team Girl Celeste's murder, her body found in his Tesla trunk.
I missed more reports the killer had help dismembering.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
The little girl. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
I want to thank you for being with us. Oh yo,
what way? Wait?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
All?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Is that we don't even know really when when Celestia
was last scene alive.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
We don't know how long she was dead for.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
We don't know how Celeste died.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
We know that she was dismembered, but how does she die?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
It's obviously pretty homicide Reports emerging from sources within the
LA PD that musician David Anthony Burke aka D four
VD David.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Is finally being viewed as a suspect in the murder
of teen girls Celestes death.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
As we all recall, her body found largely decomposed in
his trunk.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
That vehicle moved and moved.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
And moved from one spot to the next within a
ritzy neighborhood. Why because we know the owners of those
mega mansions would report the filthy car as being parked
outside their home.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
So someone was moving and moving and moving.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Defour vd's tesla inside Celestes decomposing body.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
What has changed? What has happened?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Why is defour VD David now reportedly being viewed as
a suspect, this result in murder charges? How can this
be without a toxicology report as of yet? But to
Dave Matt, crime stories, investigative report of what I consider
to be really validating what many court viewers knew. That
(02:15):
dfour VD is being considered as a suspect, although it
has not been officially announced.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Is the change in the timeline? Now we are learning.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
That police sources believe Celeste was killed back in the
spring and Bob Shell tonight police also looking at a
road trip taken into a remote area by dfour VD
in the spring where he stayed in that remote area
for hours before returning back. I can only assume this
(02:50):
information is coming from his NAV system or is there
a rat within Burke's camp because tonight I definitely smell
a rat. Let's start at the beginning, Dave Matt, what
do you know.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Well, Nancy, we know that D four VD took a
trip to Santa Barbara County, which is about one hundred
miles from the house that he was renting, and taking
about two hours to drive. Okay, So he takes this
drive in the middle of the night in the spring
of this year, and he stays there for a couple
(03:24):
of hours. Now they say, remote area of Santa Barbara.
You've ever been to Santa Barbara. Remote area can include
probably eighty percent of the surrounding area, big area, and
you could actually be there and not be seen for
a long time. He was there for hours. Now they're
also saying they believe I'm talking about the police investigation
(03:47):
is saying to this source they believe so Less died
sometime in the spring of twenty twenty five. So we
have Burke driving in the middle of the night to
Santa Barbarie County in the spring of twenty twenty five,
and we have them saying ce letst died in the
spring twenty twenty five. That's for starters, Nancy, this is
(04:11):
a bombshell.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
That is major.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Dave mac I know that the headlines all across the
world are D four VD. David Anthony Burke is finally
being viewed as a suspect, although.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
LAPD is not confirming that.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
To me, the real bombshell tonight is that we believe
she was killed back in the spring.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
What efforts were being.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Taken by those within D four vd's camp to conceal
her death pretending she was still alive.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
That's what we're looking at tonight. This is a major
change in the investigation.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Dave mac straight out to Professor Forensicks, Jacksonville State University,
author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon and start
of a hit new series, Body Bags, with Joe Scott
Morgan Joseph Scott Morgan joining US death investigator who has
investigated literally thousands of deaths, not just homicides, suicide, natural causes, accident, unexplained,
(05:10):
and of course homicide. This is very confusing to us
on the outside looking in, Joe Scott, But the reality is,
I'm sure the medical examiner, when she saw the remains
could very likely state, oh no, this child has been
dead since the spring.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
You know, we were working off a.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Timeline putting her alive as late as September. So what
would be the difference, Joe Scott, I know this is
a tough question. There's a lot of variables and decomposing body,
and guys, I'm sorry that we are talking so analytically
and clinically about a little girl, Celeste, but this is
(05:54):
what the trial will boil down to, if there ever
is a trial her decomposed remains, Joe Scott, if her
body had been decomposing since September as opposed to the
spring months before, what would be different when the medical
(06:16):
examiner opened those bags, I'll.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Tell you precisely. And this is one of the reasons
we still don't have a cause of death is the
fact that put this in as delicate terms as possible,
the tissue remaining on her body would have the consistency
perhaps of jello. All right, it will have broken down
(06:42):
to a point where some of her remains will have
been liquefied to that point if in fact, this new
timeline is in effect, and that's going to impact a
variety of different areas, like say, for instance, Nancy, we're
looking for soft tissue trauma like contusions, or even to
a certain degree, things like sharp edged weapons or even
(07:05):
bullet defects. That's going to compromise your ability to visualize
those things. So you have to be reliant and I
can let down.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Tell you slow down, Joe Scott. Yeah, can I put
it in regular people talk? Yeah, sure, I don't see it.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
So much as jello is more like, come, did your
children ever make slime?
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Slime is that gooey children make? It's a little thicker
than jello, but when you pick it up, it's good
thicker than jello.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I think what you're saying is that if her body
had been in that trunk since the spring, she would
be gelatinous like.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Yes, goo, and therefore, if she.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Had decomposed to that point you listed several things, I'd
like you to go back over it again, if you
don't mind. If that is a state of her remains,
how in the world can we find a knife mark,
a bullet wound, a soft tissue marking such as a bruise,
or a subcutaneous hemorrhage.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yep, it's all gone.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Yeah, we retreat back to this idea of doing X rays,
and what you're going to be looking at, potentially, Nancy,
is insults to the underlying skeletal structure. Okay, So if
you think about, like if we talked about a knife wound,
for instance, it's going to be you know, knife winds,
just like projectiles fired from a weapon, actually have a
(08:33):
wound track where you follow kind of the hemorrhage line
that goes. What you're hoping for in a case like
this is to see if there's any kind of indwelling
trauma on the surface of the bony structures, and that
can easily be documented. Nancy, when they would have removed
these bags, and everybody needs to really grab hold of this,
(08:55):
they would have X rayed the contents of these bags
ever before, or they actually removed the remains from the
bags to this point.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Let me see him, Let me see him. Hold on.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
So okay, here's another thing. Everybody on the panel, hear this.
Joe Scott, stay with me. According to a source within
the LAPD, it was obvious when they saw the bags
that she had been dismembered. Now we are left to
interpret that. So dismembered she was, according to the source. So,
(09:31):
Joe Scott, you're telling me that when we get the
body to the morgue, and remember they likely take the
body out of the tazla loaded on to the morgue vehicle,
so it's getting jostled gets to the morgue, you're saying
before her remains are removed from the bag and or bags, Yep,
(09:54):
their X rayed in inside the bag.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Why inside? Because you don't want to lose anything, Nancy.
That bag is essentially all you have that's holding everything
together at that point. And I've had cases like this
where the bags have actually ruptured. That's that's a total
nightmare for you. And can I point out one more thing, Nancy,
because I was just talking about sharp force here and
(10:18):
I don't know that that's involved. I do know that
if we're talking about dismemberment, that sharp force posts them
mortem in the post mortem state, that means after death,
sharp force is involved in that. So this even further complicates,
you know, how do you delineate between what happened prior
to death and what we call the anti mortem state
(10:41):
and what happened after death in the post mortem state.
This just kind of doubles the problem here for La
County Corner. And they've got a great staff they see it.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I got to make a note of that, and I'm
going to come back to Joeanni Evis on how I
believe they're going to determine if it's post mortem dismember
or an injury.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
While she's still alive.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yes, I told Jasamella Raight, somebody is going to be singing,
if not tonight, in the near future, because we know,
according to the leak, he the killer did not do
this alone. He had have help dismembering the body. According
to the report in a state of her remains, Joe Scott,
(11:26):
if she is in fact dead since the spring, which
coincides with that late night trip out to the remote
area near Santa Barbara.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
You're going to have to have a witness.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
You're going to have to have somebody raped. Now, that
would be the nature of her remains if she was
killed back in the spring. Okay, Now, how would it
differ if she was killed in September, which.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Is what we were led to believe.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
And I want to tell you one of the reasons
we were led to believe that.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
Listen from the time he was moved to that last spot,
which is on Bluebird. So on July twenty ninth, when
I saw those like eleven in the morning, later that
evening they begin the tour and they actually leave that
evening for San Francisco for the first show.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
So there you go to Moses Castillo joining us private
investigator for the Dordoulian Law Group, former supervising detective from LAPD.
I bet they are spinning like a top over this
leak tonight. That's a whole other canon worms. That's their problem.
I'm concerned with the timeline. We were misled, not on purpose,
(12:38):
but because of when the car, the tesla was first
part on that street. That was a different date. It
was not back in the spring. It was much more recent,
and many people naturally assumed that is when the death occurred.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
But we're wrong. We're wrong, And now we're learning.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
That authorities believe this child was killed all the way
back in the spring. That changes everything.
Speaker 7 (13:09):
Moses, Yes, absolute, Nancy. I think the police are going
way back to the very first time she was reported
missing and turned to establish a timeline, who saw her
during that time period, who saw her shortly thereafter, And
they're following every GPS data on that tesla and that's
how they found that area about Santa Barbara County.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
What do you think about the league, Mosies Castillo, this
is your department. You were years with the LAPD. Why
is this leaking now?
Speaker 7 (13:41):
Well, they want to share the pot, they want to
get the attention out there because maybe they reached the
point in their investigation where they need help from the public,
like you said earlier, So there's a rat. Somebody out
there has information that could help the detectives solve this
case and bring justice to cledus in her family, and
that I think is a strateing an you that isn't listen.
Speaker 8 (14:02):
Shocking new information from Fisher Celeste was in contact with
a family member in early July, weeks before the tesla
was parked on the street PI. Fisher is baffled that
Burke has not made any public comment about Celeste's body
being found in his car and hasn't offered condolences of
any kind. Burke's tour continued after the car was towed
(14:23):
and body found, and was only canceled when the remains
were identified as Celeste. So far, the police have no
suspect or person of interest.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Dave Matt joining US Crime Towards investigative reporter that report
was based on information we believe came from members within
defour VID's camp that Celeste had been in touch with
her family that has not been verified with the family,
(14:54):
which leads me to wonder has there been a gigantic
russe to suggest Celeste was still alive when in fact
she was dead, much like the Gabby Petito roos affected
by Brian laundry. And remember when he was coming across
the country in Gabby Patito's van, texting her family as
(15:14):
if his Gabby Patito. And this contact that was allegedly
made by Celeste to her family, we don't know if
it was a message, a text, an email. It could
have been anything or nothing. So are we looking at
the possibility this child was killed in the spring and
then a cover up ensued making people believe she was
(15:38):
still alive.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
That's evil. Dave mac nancy.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
I think they went so far as to remember the
concert in Silver Springs, Maryland on August twenty fourth, where
there was a Celeste Revas look alike that was in
the backstage area up on the balcony looking down on
the concert, dressed in the same clothing that has been
described as was on the dismembered remains found in that tesla.
(16:06):
I think this is part of that story. See, they're
trying to put an out this thing. See she's there,
she's she was at that concert, but in reality we
don't have confirmation that.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
She You know what else, Dave mac all along.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
There were people online saying that's not Celeste. But she
was wearing Celeste tube top and Celeste ripped jeans.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
She had her hair done like Celeste.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
From the get go, and we're showing you the video
there and in the circle there is either Celeste or
Celeste look alike. But it seems so far fetched that
it would.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Not be Celested. Look at this. We were warned. There
were red.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Red flags, ringing bells of alarm, people saying that's not Celeste.
You know to doctor Jerlyn Utter joining us clinical psychologists
specializing in.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Cases just like this.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
She is the author of Maintaining Phillies, Survival, Hope and
Resisting Drug Addiction and so much more. Doctor, thank you
for being with us. That would be quite an elaborate
cover up, would it not?
Speaker 9 (17:22):
Absolutely it would It would be very a very elaborate
cover up. But when you look at this situation with
David or d four VD however you want to, you know,
reference him, there's a lot of image protection. This is
this is a young person that he was involved in
that was a child, that was a minor. He's an
adult and he's also trying to you know, make make
(17:43):
way of this big music career. So it's elaborate in
the sense that he's trying to protect himself and his image,
and the people are around him are also trying to
do that. Another thing that I just want to mention
Nancy is is is the the tesla. The abandoned tesla
is a huge red flag. Think about it. If he
had any type of relationship with Celeste at all, any
innocent person or person that had any type of empathy
(18:06):
or remorse would would at least, at the very least
offer condolences to the family. There's a lot of emotional flatness,
there's a lot of what we call emotional compartmentalization, where
this is classic avoidant behavior because he's trying to protect
himself in his image. He doesn't really care potentially about
what's happened to this poor girl. So when you look
(18:28):
at it from a psychological perspective, you see secretcy, you
see emotional flatness, you see emotional compartmentalization with the main
goal as to protect image.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Well, also to you, Dave Mack joining US Crime Stories
investigative reporter, speaking of a cover up, did you see
the photos were just showing there was a lengthy track
record of covering up, because in most of the photos
in which Celeste was featured, she's covering her face. She
(18:58):
what other girl thirty fourteen, fifteen do you know that
typically covers their face in photos that are going to
be posted time after time after time. A pocketbook, a
hand an iPhone, you name it. That was intentional. So
the covering up has gone on for a long time.
That right there is taken from a video which was
(19:20):
then deleted.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
From what we have found in looking into this investigation,
there's no clear shot of Celestreeves with Burke at all.
She's always got a hand up. There's always something blocking
our view, so we can't identify her. And I'm telling
you this is so heavy handed. When you actually break
it down, you're going, why didn't we see this earlier?
Because they knew, I mean, Burke's twenty years old. We've
(19:42):
got a girl here that turned fifteen after her body
was found in that tesla. So back it up and
you're looking at there are some people who believe that
the relationship between Burke and Celeste began when she was
twelve Nancy, and they have been practiced at preventing her
from being photographed clearly with Burke. Ever since.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Joanna and Hanna's joining us
the under a criminal defense attorney founder of the Nievs
Law Firm, a.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Lot happening tonight.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
The timeline change is a massive, massive difference than what
was thought before, and it changes all of the evidence.
But Joanna Nievis, here's the thing, isn't it true? When
you've got a crime bad enough to defend, it's hard enough.
But when you have an elaborate cover up trying to
(20:44):
make it look as if Celester was still alive, a
lot of people probably knew about that. That's not easy
to cover your tracks for that many months.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
If that is in fact true, that could be the
kill undoing the cover.
Speaker 10 (21:01):
Up absolutely, Nancy. I think the thing is it would
definitely be a major conspiracy for people to be participating
and taking acts to cover up a crime in that fashion,
if there is evidence to support that. Right now, what
we have is a tight lip law enforcement agency that
(21:22):
isn't releasing a whole lot of information, and the reports
that are going around are the suspicions and the hunches
and what could possibly have happened. But the prosecution can't
convict on the hunch and we're just wanting to see
we need to see a bit more evidence to support
any of those type of allegations, whether it's a huge cable.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Dead body decomposing in his trunk.
Speaker 10 (21:45):
Yes, because we still don't even know, like you were
talking about with the anti mortem post mortem injuries. We
don't know whether or not there were injuries to that
body that would support that a crime of murder was
actually committed. If all of these are post mortem wounds.
If anything like that is found, we can still argue mutilation, transport,
(22:06):
concealment of the body. But are we really going to
get to the crime of murder and whether or not
dfour VD is actually the person who committed that or
does the nature of the involvement in the crime maybe
it was limited to a potential cover up and an
involvement maybe knowledge, but who committed the act if he's
(22:28):
actually named as suspect and investigated for that crime.
Speaker 8 (22:33):
The LAPED has been working on a timeline of activity
for Celeste and Burke, and an insider with the police
investigation says they've been able to determine that in the
spring of this year, Burke took a secret trip in
the middle of the night to a remote area of
Santa Barbara County. Burke remained in the area for several hours.
Speaker 11 (22:53):
Bloody remains are found in a vehicle. Register to you
yet continue on this world tour like nothing was found
in your car.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
How can somebody put a then thirteen year old little
girl in a trunk and leave the car there for
weeks on end?
Speaker 8 (23:14):
As Burke becomes a suspect in the possible homicide of
a child, police say it is likely Burke had help
in dismembering and disposing of Celest's body. Burke still has
not made a public announcement about Celeste being found in
his car, and after initially saying Burke was cooperating with
the investigation, the singer has not been cooperative during the
last two months.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Bomb Shell tonight, according to sources within the LAPD says
KNBC D four f D aka David Anthony Burke is
being investigated as a suspect in the death of.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Teen girl Celeste Rivas.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
We are also learning, contrary to prior reports, that he
has not been cooperative through the investigation.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
And I'm just curious. Does it have anything to do
with this.
Speaker 12 (24:06):
Not at all. My dad is a litigator for a
law firm.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
I thought there was a teacher.
Speaker 12 (24:10):
Oh, she doesn't do it anymore, but she doesn't not know.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
That is from and the writer is on a YouTube,
So I mean, think about it. To most of Castillo
joining me, former LAPD, you got a trial lawyer for
a dad, according to Burke himself, and a notary as
a mom. I guess they did tell him to shut
(24:34):
his pie hole. He hasn't said a word. Now, what
can be used at trial are all actions behavior patterns before, during,
and after a crime. Under the law, of course, a
defendant has a right to remain silent. But if she
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really went missing all the way back in the spring
and he never said a word, that's damning.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Do you agree?
Speaker 7 (25:05):
Absolutely? I agree not on need him not saying anything,
but his actions of transferring. There's some reports he's transferring
his properties to his mom under his mom's name. What
does that tell you that he's afraid of potentious civil litigation.
Speaker 9 (25:19):
Of a row for death lawsuit.
Speaker 7 (25:20):
So all that points to a consciousness of guilt in
my mind and Natcy, every day there's justice delayed, it's
justice denied, and we need to fight for a transparency
and we need this done so that we could get
who were responsible accountable.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Well, I appreciate that sermon. I do.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
But what I'd like to point out, Moses Castillo, is
that every day that goes by, we lose evidence, we
lose witnesses, Evidence is cleaned away.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
From the home. I heard that it's been professionally cleaned.
Now all that.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Evidence is gone to Joe Scott, Morgan's wining US Death
Investigator Joe Scott.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
The dismemberment of a.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Body is no easy thing, and I wonder where the
body was dismembered. We know lapd comed defour vd's mansion.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
We've had cases and you and I have.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Investigated them and covered them where you actually see on
camera on surveillance video someone taking a body out of
the home. We've watched that, including the body of a
teen girl. This is video of a little girl, Miranda Corset,
out of Florida. You see her walking into the murder
(26:42):
of defendant's home and being carried out in a blanket.
Does surveillance video around the home the mansion of David
Anthony Burke show the last time Celesto Reevas left his
home like Marie, did she walk in and get carried out?
(27:04):
And if so, when And this is not just about
Burke's video. What about neighbor's surveillance video. Don't forget his
tesla has three hundred and sixty degree cameras?
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Who loaded her in the trunk?
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Or has the info stick been removed from the car
and destroyed? Was the body dismembered in that mansion or
was it taken out too, for instance a remote area
outside Santa Barbara and dismembered to Joe Scott Morgan, don't
you think there would be evidence inside the mansion if
(27:44):
the body was dismembered there.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
Yeah, and we still don't know, you know what they
have found. And so here's here's what you're looking at
with dismemberment, Nancy. One of the things that's always left
behind is going to be obviously blood deposition. Now that
can either be with velocity. Say, I've worked cases involving
like power tools, and it distributes much like a firearm would. Okay. Also,
(28:10):
you're going to have things elements like bone dust that
people don't think about, just like sawdust that's created with bone.
One thing that you do need, though, is you need privacy.
You need generally an electrical source unless you're using hand tools,
and you do not need to be bothered in any
way while you're doing this. The individuals that would have
(28:33):
been involved in this process would have also be covered
in tissue themselves. So it's a big, big mess. It's
even bigger, say, for instance, in cases we've covered where
it's a bludgeoning or just a straight up stabbing, because
now you're going even further. I think one of the
questions that I have was there a place that she
(28:57):
could have been taken, either in the post mortem state
or the anti mortem state to facilitate this, and also
if they had panicked, for instance, after they started this process,
if she was stowed in another location and then brought
back and the tesla happened to be the spot that
they landed on. Okay, we're gonna put her in the tesla.
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After we've had her in this location, the body begins
to become foul. That can't keep her in the house
any longer or at some other isolated location where she
can be found. So there's a lot of movement that's
going on here, and it's going to be very very
difficult to track this The big thing is looking for
trace evidence back in that primary residence, and then if
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they can locate that location out in Santa Barbara County somewhere,
is there anything of value there that may have been
left behind?
Speaker 2 (29:50):
You know, I've been thinking about the condition of her body.
Those mansion photos were from our friend Harvey Levin over
at TMZ. Imagine since soft tissue is the first thing
to go that, there's no way we're going to be
able to determine from the particia in her eye eyes
whether she was asphyxiated.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
No way that's gone. Wouldn't you agree?
Speaker 5 (30:14):
Yeah, to a certain degree, I have seen partiki in
advanced decomposition. Nancy, I got to make a confession here.
There's something that's just like eating at me right now
that I'm thinking about what I'm really concerned about in
this case from a forensic standpoint, and that's going to
be her talks. How are you going to land on
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an answer relative to talks? And if you can give
me a little latitude here. One of the things that
we do in cases of advancy composition. You know how
we were talking about how the body begins to break down.
We talked about this kind of gelatinous state that the
body might be in. One of the things that's rather
robust that you can go to is actually the liver
and to a certain degree the brain as well. What
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we do is that what remains of the liver and
the brain, we will take take samples of that and
literally spin it down to the point where it liquefies.
We can actually draw that up, Nancy and get what's
referred to as a qualitative finding, like were there any
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drugs in her system? Talking meth coch you know the
standard panel that we run in the medical legal world.
Now here's the problem. You're not going to be able
to get a quantitative amount, you know, which is what
we're looking for. If we're thinking about OD for instance,
you can merely get a qualitative amount, and that says
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that these drugs were present. And the question now is
how in the hell is a young girl like this
getting access to these substances that is under the direct
care of an individual that is an adult in her life. Remember,
she's not been with her family, so how is she
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getting access to these trucks?
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Okay, let me well, don't you just said harsh reality
is even in a body is for instance, mummified from
being out in the desert or in some other difficult terrain,
and the body literally dries up. The internal organs, such
as the liver, can be put in a blender with
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some form of liquid such as sailine maybe centrila, and liquefied,
you basically making a smoothie out of the internal organs,
and from those organs, talks can be conducted. Toxicology lapse
can be conducted on that.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
So even if her remains are.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
As you said, Jello, if she's been dead since the spring,
even so that test can still be run. But you're
saying you can't get a quantitative amount, which is the
possibility of an overdose. You can't tell how much of
it is in her system. You can just determine it
is in her system. But you know, I got a
problem with what you're saying. Here's the problem to doctor
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Jerlyn Utter. We keep hearing discussions of maybe she odd.
Why are we hearing that if this was an accidental
OD and anyone hoped to save her inside D four
BD's mansion, they would have.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Called nine one one.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
We don't want to think she was intentionally murdered.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
So we all come up with oh, it was likely.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
An overdose, and they panicked and got rid of her body.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Excuse me, panicked and.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Dismembered her body and left it in a trunk. That's
not what people do when you want to save someone's life,
when someone has an accident. So reminiscent a little Kille
Anthony when topmham Casey Anthony wants us to believe Keilly
died in the pool and then her dad decide, oh,
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let's just put her in a trash bag and throw
in a swamp. That's a great idea instead of trying
to revive her or have a funeral.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
That's total bs. So why do we want to believe
this was an od because.
Speaker 9 (34:16):
It feels better that way psychologically, Nancy, I mean, this
is D four, you know, VD or David whatever you
want to reference him as. He was somebody that was
coming up in the ranks. He was beloved, he had
a following. It feels better to have to think, oh,
this was an accident. I don't want to have to
wrap my head around the fact person that I love
and I admire and whose art or music I like did.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Something like that.
Speaker 9 (34:38):
The other thing, when it comes to overdose, to your point,
if she had an accidental overdose, you would think that
people would would rush right away to call the police. Sadly,
you know, we don't need it as often as we'd
like to see it because people panic, and usually what
they'll do is they might drive to an emergency room
and just kind of drop someone off, or they might
move her while she's still alive and overdose and put
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her on the side what sidewalk and call. To your point,
the fact that we moved to dismemberment really just you know,
it kind of makes you think, hey, maybe there was
more fail play, not just simply an overdose your earlier question.
We believe that people are capable of doing evil, terrible things,
and again, someone who was an artist that was coming
up through the ranks. Another thing we want to think
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of is she is a child. She is a minor.
So there's so many layers to self protection, self preservation
and protecting his image potentially that are involved in a
case like this. But to your point, if it wasn't overdose,
there were ten million other things that could have been
done to protect quote unquote him in his camp while
also trying to get this young child help.
Speaker 8 (35:43):
Shocking information uncovered by the LAPD has the investigation spotlight
finally pointing on Burke. Investigators have developed new information that
leads them to believe Celeste likely died in the spring
of this year, and the death is being tentatively treated
as possible homicide, but officials are waiting on an official
cause of death from the medical examiner.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
All I need is one witness, one witness to crack
one of Burke's insiders to tell the truth about the
night Celeste dying.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
We will get answers as to what happened to Celeste.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
To read us bombshell tonight. According to sources within the
lap D D four VD aka David Anthony Burke, known
as David as a musician, is finally finally being considered
as a suspect in the death of a little girl,
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teen girls Celeste found decomposing in his vehicle. The bombshell,
not that he's being considered a suspect. Reportedly, many people
already considered him a suspect or at least a POI
person of interest, but.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
The time law this is a seismic shift.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Now we are learning police believe this little girl died
back in the spring, not in the fall, not in
September when her body was found, but many many months
before that. I'm going to circle back to Joe Scott
Morgan with the possibilities she was dismembered in the desert, outside,
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in the terrain outside Santa Barbara, and what that would
mean forensically, if dirt or soil could be found in
that Tesla trunk from that area, what would that prove.
But here's one of the reasons the timeline was off.
Speaker 8 (37:41):
It's a little weird to see a car that I
haven't seen here for a long time, had a big
dent on it had a Texas plate on it, so
all a little odd. One neighbor says. The distinct looking
Tesla was parked on the street for some time in
front of the house that was searched, and later in
two other spots on the street. The vehicle stood out
because it has Texas plate and a big dent.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
From our friends at WABC.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Back out to Dave mac Crime Stories investigative reporter, this
is a seismic shift the timeline, and it opens up
the possibility that there was not just a murder a
cover up, but a very long cover up that lasted
for months and was quite elaborate, suggesting that Celeste was
still alive, thereby hiding the fact that she was dead
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and dismembered. So, Dave mac regarding the cover up, regarding
the trip out into a remote area, You've studied the map.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
What area are they referring to? What is the.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Most obvious remote area outside Santa Barbara.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
The one I'm looking at, Nancy, is a st Valley,
which is a terrain that is it's difficult to drive
it far in. You're going to do a lot of
hiking to get around there. It's underdeveloped, and it is
an area that really and truly could be a place
where you could be left alone for a long long time.
But Nancy, I want you mentioned the cover up. Okay,
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think about this when you're looking that long game that
includes the staged Celeste look alike at the concert in August.
Think about his new album Withard was coming out April
to twenty fifth. They're not saying Celeste was dead in
early spring. As we look at this old thing where
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they're always blocking her face so you can't see how
she looked, can't identify her. I hate to say this,
did they plan her death so that they could get
her out of the way as the new album came out,
and he goes is on his first world tour and
they raise her with a look and stage the whole
thing to justice.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Scott Morgan try to erase.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Dave max wacky conspiracy theory, although frankly, you know what,
so much is changed in this case, maybe it's not
that wacky after all. Just Scott Morgan, let's talk about
that rugged area. If she was dismembered there with help,
and I'm curious why ELI law enforcement is saying that
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the killer had helped dismembering her.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
That's another can of worms.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
But what would you expect to find on her body
on those bags and possibly in the Tesla trunk?
Speaker 5 (40:45):
Yeah, you had mentioned earlier. You know, you begin to
think of there's an area within forensics where we have
forensic geology, where we begin to take a look at
soul samples, and that's contained within the trace evidence area
at the State crime Lab. So you actually can compare
soil that is, say, for instance, if you're talking to
you know, this house is where he was renting, is
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essentially adjacent to Chateau Marmont, the famous place where Belue
she died and all of those things went down all
those years ago. Well, that geology in that area, the
type of oil there is completely different than say, this
area where he is alleged to have gone. I got
one more for you, Nancy. Remember what are they say?
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They're saying that there's chance she may have gone missing
in the spring. Guess what happens in the spring. You've
got new bloom going on. So the flora, that is,
all of the plant life that is out in that area,
there's a high potential that those species are completely different
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than you're going to find back in more coastal areas
around La So in these bags, not only are they
going to be looking for soil sample, they're also going
to be looking for any kind kind of pollen that's
on the body. That's another area with with forensics that
we look at relative to this. So there's a lot
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of evidence if if they have taken their time with
each one of these bags, with her body, any clothing
that have may have been on there, there's a chance
to harvest information there that might tell you about her path,
at least from geographic standpoint.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
I want you to see a live stream video of
D four VD David Anthony Burke and Celeste, which has
recently resurfaced Watch.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
A way Way look answer that one? That one on one.
Speaker 12 (42:43):
It was good, big families, Oh thank you, Mitch, Mitchel, Kanzio,
maz Can we delete all ods and then as soon
as the team to the stream too?
Speaker 1 (42:58):
You know what that tells me?
Speaker 2 (43:00):
That again is a livestream video of David Anthony Burke
and Celeste which resurfaced that D four VD. David Anthony
Burke is very aware of any incriminating evidence. He knows
to delete it, get rid of it, don't let it
stay on the air. We know that there was a
long history of covering Celeste's face whenever they were photographed together.
(43:24):
What else, if anything, would he cover up? And I
want to address something, Joanna, and the evis the veteran
trial lawyer said. She said, well, you know, if the
body is so decomposed, we may never know cod cause
of death, and therefore we won't know whether this was
a murder. I want you to imagine something, Joanne. Go
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to the back recesses of your mind and imagine a
sinking ship about to go under in a turbulent storm.
Imagine rats, rats, rodents running across the deck of the
ship not knowing what to do. A sinking ship with
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rats running across the deck, you don't think one of
those rodents will grab onto anything.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
To save its own skin.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
Yes, somebody within dfour vd's camp knows exactly what happened,
and we have learned from private investigator Steve Fisher, who
can no longer comment, I imagine because he's going to
be a witness that he saw who was driving the
Tuzla parking it here, parking it there?
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Was it D four VD.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
I guarantee you he had a minion do that a friend,
and that friend knows everything. There are multiple people living
in that mansion. Someone is going to try their best
to save their own skin, like those rats on the
ship deck, and they are going to rat out on
David Anthony.
Speaker 10 (45:00):
Pressure bus pipes, and I agree with that. When your
life and your livelihood is on the line, it is
not difficult to apply the pressure and get somebody to break. Now,
will that confession or that big reveal actually point to
D four VD That still remains unknown? You know, maybe
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he is aware. Obviously there is something going on that
there is a level of awareness and knowledge, But what
we don't know is who the actual culprit was of
what happened through Celeste.
Speaker 8 (45:36):
Investigators have made contact with several people involved in the case,
some more involved than others, but all in some capacity
that leads detectives to believe they are certain they're going
down the right path for a suspect. Even with the
new information about the investigation, no one has been arrested
and the investigation is ongoing.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
We here at crime stories would be remiss if we
don't ask questions about Celeste Rivas's parents. How can she
be missing all this time, even possibly dead since the spring?
And they alerted no one? How much, if any blame
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is attributed to them? Where was mommy? Where was Daddy.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
Tonight?
Speaker 2 (46:24):
This investigation is ongoing. The police need your help. If
you know or think you know anything, whether you are
within the four v d's camp, whether you're a neighbor,
whether you saw them together, anything, please call LAPD two
one three four eight six six eight nine zero repeat
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two one three, four, eight, six six eight nine zero.
We remember an American hero, Officer Jeremy Hall, Virginia Department Corrections,
killed in the line of beauty. He lays behind a
grieving family. American hero officer Jeremy Paul Nancy Gray signing
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off goodbye friend
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace closing in reports of surfacing.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
That the musician D four VD known as David David
Anthony Burke, is finally being viewed as a suspect in
Team Girl Celeste's murder, her body found in his Tesla trunk.
I missed more reports the killer had help dismembering.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
The little girl. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
I want to thank you for being with us. Oh yo,
what way? Wait?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
All?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Is that we don't even know really when when Celestia
was last scene alive.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
We don't know how long she was dead for.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
We don't know how Celeste died.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
We know that she was dismembered, but how does she die?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
It's obviously pretty homicide Reports emerging from sources within the
LA PD that musician David Anthony Burke aka D four
VD David.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Is finally being viewed as a suspect in the murder
of teen girls Celestes death.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
As we all recall, her body found largely decomposed in
his trunk.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
That vehicle moved and moved.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
And moved from one spot to the next within a
ritzy neighborhood. Why because we know the owners of those
mega mansions would report the filthy car as being parked
outside their home.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
So someone was moving and moving and moving.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Defour vd's tesla inside Celestes decomposing body.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
What has changed? What has happened?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Why is defour VD David now reportedly being viewed as
a suspect, this result in murder charges? How can this
be without a toxicology report as of yet? But to
Dave Matt, crime stories, investigative report of what I consider
to be really validating what many court viewers knew. That
(02:15):
dfour VD is being considered as a suspect, although it
has not been officially announced.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Is the change in the timeline? Now we are learning.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
That police sources believe Celeste was killed back in the
spring and Bob Shell tonight police also looking at a
road trip taken into a remote area by dfour VD
in the spring where he stayed in that remote area
for hours before returning back. I can only assume this
(02:50):
information is coming from his NAV system or is there
a rat within Burke's camp because tonight I definitely smell
a rat. Let's start at the beginning, Dave Matt, what
do you know.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Well, Nancy, we know that D four VD took a
trip to Santa Barbara County, which is about one hundred
miles from the house that he was renting, and taking
about two hours to drive. Okay, So he takes this
drive in the middle of the night in the spring
of this year, and he stays there for a couple
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of hours. Now they say, remote area of Santa Barbara.
You've ever been to Santa Barbara. Remote area can include
probably eighty percent of the surrounding area, big area, and
you could actually be there and not be seen for
a long time. He was there for hours. Now they're
also saying they believe I'm talking about the police investigation
(03:47):
is saying to this source they believe so Less died
sometime in the spring of twenty twenty five. So we
have Burke driving in the middle of the night to
Santa Barbarie County in the spring of twenty twenty five,
and we have them saying ce letst died in the
spring twenty twenty five. That's for starters, Nancy, this is
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a bombshell.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
That is major.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Dave mac I know that the headlines all across the
world are D four VD. David Anthony Burke is finally
being viewed as a suspect, although.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
LAPD is not confirming that.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
To me, the real bombshell tonight is that we believe
she was killed back in the spring.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
What efforts were being.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Taken by those within D four vd's camp to conceal
her death pretending she was still alive.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
That's what we're looking at tonight. This is a major
change in the investigation.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Dave mac straight out to Professor Forensicks, Jacksonville State University,
author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon and start
of a hit new series, Body Bags, with Joe Scott
Morgan Joseph Scott Morgan joining US death investigator who has
investigated literally thousands of deaths, not just homicides, suicide, natural causes, accident, unexplained,
(05:10):
and of course homicide. This is very confusing to us
on the outside looking in, Joe Scott, But the reality is,
I'm sure the medical examiner, when she saw the remains
could very likely state, oh no, this child has been
dead since the spring.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
You know, we were working off a.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Timeline putting her alive as late as September. So what
would be the difference, Joe Scott, I know this is
a tough question. There's a lot of variables and decomposing body,
and guys, I'm sorry that we are talking so analytically
and clinically about a little girl, Celeste, but this is
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what the trial will boil down to, if there ever
is a trial her decomposed remains, Joe Scott, if her
body had been decomposing since September as opposed to the
spring months before, what would be different when the medical
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examiner opened those bags, I'll.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Tell you precisely. And this is one of the reasons
we still don't have a cause of death is the
fact that put this in as delicate terms as possible,
the tissue remaining on her body would have the consistency
perhaps of jello. All right, it will have broken down
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to a point where some of her remains will have
been liquefied to that point if in fact, this new
timeline is in effect, and that's going to impact a
variety of different areas, like say, for instance, Nancy, we're
looking for soft tissue trauma like contusions, or even to
a certain degree, things like sharp edged weapons or even
(07:05):
bullet defects. That's going to compromise your ability to visualize
those things. So you have to be reliant and I
can let down.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Tell you slow down, Joe Scott. Yeah, can I put
it in regular people talk? Yeah, sure, I don't see it.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
So much as jello is more like, come, did your
children ever make slime?
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Slime is that gooey children make? It's a little thicker
than jello, but when you pick it up, it's good
thicker than jello.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I think what you're saying is that if her body
had been in that trunk since the spring, she would
be gelatinous like.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Yes, goo, and therefore, if she.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Had decomposed to that point you listed several things, I'd
like you to go back over it again, if you
don't mind. If that is a state of her remains,
how in the world can we find a knife mark,
a bullet wound, a soft tissue marking such as a bruise,
or a subcutaneous hemorrhage.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yep, it's all gone.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Yeah, we retreat back to this idea of doing X rays,
and what you're going to be looking at, potentially, Nancy,
is insults to the underlying skeletal structure. Okay, So if
you think about, like if we talked about a knife wound,
for instance, it's going to be you know, knife winds,
just like projectiles fired from a weapon, actually have a
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wound track where you follow kind of the hemorrhage line
that goes. What you're hoping for in a case like
this is to see if there's any kind of indwelling
trauma on the surface of the bony structures, and that
can easily be documented. Nancy, when they would have removed
these bags, and everybody needs to really grab hold of this,
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they would have X rayed the contents of these bags
ever before, or they actually removed the remains from the
bags to this point.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Let me see him, Let me see him. Hold on.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
So okay, here's another thing. Everybody on the panel, hear this.
Joe Scott, stay with me. According to a source within
the LAPD, it was obvious when they saw the bags
that she had been dismembered. Now we are left to
interpret that. So dismembered she was, according to the source. So,
(09:31):
Joe Scott, you're telling me that when we get the
body to the morgue, and remember they likely take the
body out of the tazla loaded on to the morgue vehicle,
so it's getting jostled gets to the morgue, you're saying
before her remains are removed from the bag and or bags, Yep,
(09:54):
their X rayed in inside the bag.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Why inside? Because you don't want to lose anything, Nancy.
That bag is essentially all you have that's holding everything
together at that point. And I've had cases like this
where the bags have actually ruptured. That's that's a total
nightmare for you. And can I point out one more thing, Nancy,
because I was just talking about sharp force here and
(10:18):
I don't know that that's involved. I do know that
if we're talking about dismemberment, that sharp force posts them
mortem in the post mortem state, that means after death,
sharp force is involved in that. So this even further complicates,
you know, how do you delineate between what happened prior
to death and what we call the anti mortem state
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and what happened after death in the post mortem state.
This just kind of doubles the problem here for La
County Corner. And they've got a great staff they see it.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I got to make a note of that, and I'm
going to come back to Joeanni Evis on how I
believe they're going to determine if it's post mortem dismember
or an injury.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
While she's still alive.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yes, I told Jasamella Raight, somebody is going to be singing,
if not tonight, in the near future, because we know,
according to the leak, he the killer did not do
this alone. He had have help dismembering the body. According
to the report in a state of her remains, Joe Scott,
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if she is in fact dead since the spring, which
coincides with that late night trip out to the remote
area near Santa Barbara.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
You're going to have to have a witness.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
You're going to have to have somebody raped. Now, that
would be the nature of her remains if she was
killed back in the spring. Okay, Now, how would it
differ if she was killed in September, which.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Is what we were led to believe.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
And I want to tell you one of the reasons
we were led to believe that.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
Listen from the time he was moved to that last spot,
which is on Bluebird. So on July twenty ninth, when
I saw those like eleven in the morning, later that
evening they begin the tour and they actually leave that
evening for San Francisco for the first show.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
So there you go to Moses Castillo joining us private
investigator for the Dordoulian Law Group, former supervising detective from LAPD.
I bet they are spinning like a top over this
leak tonight. That's a whole other canon worms. That's their problem.
I'm concerned with the timeline. We were misled, not on purpose,
(12:38):
but because of when the car, the tesla was first
part on that street. That was a different date. It
was not back in the spring. It was much more recent,
and many people naturally assumed that is when the death occurred.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
But we're wrong. We're wrong, And now we're learning.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
That authorities believe this child was killed all the way
back in the spring. That changes everything.
Speaker 7 (13:09):
Moses, Yes, absolute, Nancy. I think the police are going
way back to the very first time she was reported
missing and turned to establish a timeline, who saw her
during that time period, who saw her shortly thereafter, And
they're following every GPS data on that tesla and that's
how they found that area about Santa Barbara County.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
What do you think about the league, Mosies Castillo, this
is your department. You were years with the LAPD. Why
is this leaking now?
Speaker 7 (13:41):
Well, they want to share the pot, they want to
get the attention out there because maybe they reached the
point in their investigation where they need help from the public,
like you said earlier, So there's a rat. Somebody out
there has information that could help the detectives solve this
case and bring justice to cledus in her family, and
that I think is a strateing an you that isn't listen.
Speaker 8 (14:02):
Shocking new information from Fisher Celeste was in contact with
a family member in early July, weeks before the tesla
was parked on the street PI. Fisher is baffled that
Burke has not made any public comment about Celeste's body
being found in his car and hasn't offered condolences of
any kind. Burke's tour continued after the car was towed
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and body found, and was only canceled when the remains
were identified as Celeste. So far, the police have no
suspect or person of interest.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Dave Matt joining US Crime Towards investigative reporter that report
was based on information we believe came from members within
defour VID's camp that Celeste had been in touch with
her family that has not been verified with the family,
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which leads me to wonder has there been a gigantic
russe to suggest Celeste was still alive when in fact
she was dead, much like the Gabby Petito roos affected
by Brian laundry. And remember when he was coming across
the country in Gabby Patito's van, texting her family as
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if his Gabby Patito. And this contact that was allegedly
made by Celeste to her family, we don't know if
it was a message, a text, an email. It could
have been anything or nothing. So are we looking at
the possibility this child was killed in the spring and
then a cover up ensued making people believe she was
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still alive.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
That's evil. Dave mac nancy.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
I think they went so far as to remember the
concert in Silver Springs, Maryland on August twenty fourth, where
there was a Celeste Revas look alike that was in
the backstage area up on the balcony looking down on
the concert, dressed in the same clothing that has been
described as was on the dismembered remains found in that tesla.
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I think this is part of that story. See, they're
trying to put an out this thing. See she's there,
she's she was at that concert, but in reality we
don't have confirmation that.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
She You know what else, Dave mac all along.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
There were people online saying that's not Celeste. But she
was wearing Celeste tube top and Celeste ripped jeans.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
She had her hair done like Celeste.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
From the get go, and we're showing you the video
there and in the circle there is either Celeste or
Celeste look alike. But it seems so far fetched that
it would.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Not be Celested. Look at this. We were warned. There
were red.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Red flags, ringing bells of alarm, people saying that's not Celeste.
You know to doctor Jerlyn Utter joining us clinical psychologists
specializing in.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Cases just like this.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
She is the author of Maintaining Phillies, Survival, Hope and
Resisting Drug Addiction and so much more. Doctor, thank you
for being with us. That would be quite an elaborate
cover up, would it not?
Speaker 9 (17:22):
Absolutely it would It would be very a very elaborate
cover up. But when you look at this situation with
David or d four VD however you want to, you know,
reference him, there's a lot of image protection. This is
this is a young person that he was involved in
that was a child, that was a minor. He's an
adult and he's also trying to you know, make make
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way of this big music career. So it's elaborate in
the sense that he's trying to protect himself and his image,
and the people are around him are also trying to
do that. Another thing that I just want to mention
Nancy is is is the the tesla. The abandoned tesla
is a huge red flag. Think about it. If he
had any type of relationship with Celeste at all, any
innocent person or person that had any type of empathy
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or remorse would would at least, at the very least
offer condolences to the family. There's a lot of emotional flatness,
there's a lot of what we call emotional compartmentalization, where
this is classic avoidant behavior because he's trying to protect
himself in his image. He doesn't really care potentially about
what's happened to this poor girl. So when you look
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at it from a psychological perspective, you see secretcy, you
see emotional flatness, you see emotional compartmentalization with the main
goal as to protect image.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Well, also to you, Dave Mack joining US Crime Stories
investigative reporter, speaking of a cover up, did you see
the photos were just showing there was a lengthy track
record of covering up, because in most of the photos
in which Celeste was featured, she's covering her face. She
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what other girl thirty fourteen, fifteen do you know that
typically covers their face in photos that are going to
be posted time after time after time. A pocketbook, a
hand an iPhone, you name it. That was intentional. So
the covering up has gone on for a long time.
That right there is taken from a video which was
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then deleted.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
From what we have found in looking into this investigation,
there's no clear shot of Celestreeves with Burke at all.
She's always got a hand up. There's always something blocking
our view, so we can't identify her. And I'm telling
you this is so heavy handed. When you actually break
it down, you're going, why didn't we see this earlier?
Because they knew, I mean, Burke's twenty years old. We've
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got a girl here that turned fifteen after her body
was found in that tesla. So back it up and
you're looking at there are some people who believe that
the relationship between Burke and Celeste began when she was
twelve Nancy, and they have been practiced at preventing her
from being photographed clearly with Burke. Ever since.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Joanna and Hanna's joining us
the under a criminal defense attorney founder of the Nievs
Law Firm, a.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Lot happening tonight.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
The timeline change is a massive, massive difference than what
was thought before, and it changes all of the evidence.
But Joanna Nievis, here's the thing, isn't it true? When
you've got a crime bad enough to defend, it's hard enough.
But when you have an elaborate cover up trying to
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make it look as if Celester was still alive, a
lot of people probably knew about that. That's not easy
to cover your tracks for that many months.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
If that is in fact true, that could be the
kill undoing the cover.
Speaker 10 (21:01):
Up absolutely, Nancy. I think the thing is it would
definitely be a major conspiracy for people to be participating
and taking acts to cover up a crime in that fashion,
if there is evidence to support that. Right now, what
we have is a tight lip law enforcement agency that
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isn't releasing a whole lot of information, and the reports
that are going around are the suspicions and the hunches
and what could possibly have happened. But the prosecution can't
convict on the hunch and we're just wanting to see
we need to see a bit more evidence to support
any of those type of allegations, whether it's a huge cable.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Dead body decomposing in his trunk.
Speaker 10 (21:45):
Yes, because we still don't even know, like you were
talking about with the anti mortem post mortem injuries. We
don't know whether or not there were injuries to that
body that would support that a crime of murder was
actually committed. If all of these are post mortem wounds.
If anything like that is found, we can still argue mutilation, transport,
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concealment of the body. But are we really going to
get to the crime of murder and whether or not
dfour VD is actually the person who committed that or
does the nature of the involvement in the crime maybe
it was limited to a potential cover up and an
involvement maybe knowledge, but who committed the act if he's
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actually named as suspect and investigated for that crime.
Speaker 8 (22:33):
The LAPED has been working on a timeline of activity
for Celeste and Burke, and an insider with the police
investigation says they've been able to determine that in the
spring of this year, Burke took a secret trip in
the middle of the night to a remote area of
Santa Barbara County. Burke remained in the area for several hours.
Speaker 11 (22:53):
Bloody remains are found in a vehicle. Register to you
yet continue on this world tour like nothing was found
in your car.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
How can somebody put a then thirteen year old little
girl in a trunk and leave the car there for
weeks on end?
Speaker 8 (23:14):
As Burke becomes a suspect in the possible homicide of
a child, police say it is likely Burke had help
in dismembering and disposing of Celest's body. Burke still has
not made a public announcement about Celeste being found in
his car, and after initially saying Burke was cooperating with
the investigation, the singer has not been cooperative during the
last two months.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Bomb Shell tonight, according to sources within the LAPD says
KNBC D four f D aka David Anthony Burke is
being investigated as a suspect in the death of.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Teen girl Celeste Rivas.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
We are also learning, contrary to prior reports, that he
has not been cooperative through the investigation.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
And I'm just curious. Does it have anything to do
with this.
Speaker 12 (24:06):
Not at all. My dad is a litigator for a
law firm.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
I thought there was a teacher.
Speaker 12 (24:10):
Oh, she doesn't do it anymore, but she doesn't not know.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
That is from and the writer is on a YouTube,
So I mean, think about it. To most of Castillo
joining me, former LAPD, you got a trial lawyer for
a dad, according to Burke himself, and a notary as
a mom. I guess they did tell him to shut
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his pie hole. He hasn't said a word. Now, what
can be used at trial are all actions behavior patterns before, during,
and after a crime. Under the law, of course, a
defendant has a right to remain silent. But if she
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really went missing all the way back in the spring
and he never said a word, that's damning.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Do you agree?
Speaker 7 (25:05):
Absolutely? I agree not on need him not saying anything,
but his actions of transferring. There's some reports he's transferring
his properties to his mom under his mom's name. What
does that tell you that he's afraid of potentious civil litigation.
Speaker 9 (25:19):
Of a row for death lawsuit.
Speaker 7 (25:20):
So all that points to a consciousness of guilt in
my mind and Natcy, every day there's justice delayed, it's
justice denied, and we need to fight for a transparency
and we need this done so that we could get
who were responsible accountable.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Well, I appreciate that sermon. I do.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
But what I'd like to point out, Moses Castillo, is
that every day that goes by, we lose evidence, we
lose witnesses, Evidence is cleaned away.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
From the home. I heard that it's been professionally cleaned.
Now all that.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Evidence is gone to Joe Scott, Morgan's wining US Death
Investigator Joe Scott.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
The dismemberment of a.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Body is no easy thing, and I wonder where the
body was dismembered. We know lapd comed defour vd's mansion.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
We've had cases and you and I have.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Investigated them and covered them where you actually see on
camera on surveillance video someone taking a body out of
the home. We've watched that, including the body of a
teen girl. This is video of a little girl, Miranda Corset,
out of Florida. You see her walking into the murder
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of defendant's home and being carried out in a blanket.
Does surveillance video around the home the mansion of David
Anthony Burke show the last time Celesto Reevas left his
home like Marie, did she walk in and get carried out?
(27:04):
And if so, when And this is not just about
Burke's video. What about neighbor's surveillance video. Don't forget his
tesla has three hundred and sixty degree cameras?
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Who loaded her in the trunk?
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Or has the info stick been removed from the car
and destroyed? Was the body dismembered in that mansion or
was it taken out too, for instance a remote area
outside Santa Barbara and dismembered to Joe Scott Morgan, don't
you think there would be evidence inside the mansion if
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the body was dismembered there.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
Yeah, and we still don't know, you know what they
have found. And so here's here's what you're looking at
with dismemberment, Nancy. One of the things that's always left
behind is going to be obviously blood deposition. Now that
can either be with velocity. Say, I've worked cases involving
like power tools, and it distributes much like a firearm would. Okay. Also,
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you're going to have things elements like bone dust that
people don't think about, just like sawdust that's created with bone.
One thing that you do need, though, is you need privacy.
You need generally an electrical source unless you're using hand tools,
and you do not need to be bothered in any
way while you're doing this. The individuals that would have
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been involved in this process would have also be covered
in tissue themselves. So it's a big, big mess. It's
even bigger, say, for instance, in cases we've covered where
it's a bludgeoning or just a straight up stabbing, because
now you're going even further. I think one of the
questions that I have was there a place that she
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could have been taken, either in the post mortem state
or the anti mortem state to facilitate this, and also
if they had panicked, for instance, after they started this process,
if she was stowed in another location and then brought
back and the tesla happened to be the spot that
they landed on. Okay, we're gonna put her in the tesla.
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After we've had her in this location, the body begins
to become foul. That can't keep her in the house
any longer or at some other isolated location where she
can be found. So there's a lot of movement that's
going on here, and it's going to be very very
difficult to track this The big thing is looking for
trace evidence back in that primary residence, and then if
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they can locate that location out in Santa Barbara County somewhere,
is there anything of value there that may have been
left behind?
Speaker 2 (29:50):
You know, I've been thinking about the condition of her body.
Those mansion photos were from our friend Harvey Levin over
at TMZ. Imagine since soft tissue is the first thing
to go that, there's no way we're going to be
able to determine from the particia in her eye eyes
whether she was asphyxiated.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
No way that's gone. Wouldn't you agree?
Speaker 5 (30:14):
Yeah, to a certain degree, I have seen partiki in
advanced decomposition. Nancy, I got to make a confession here.
There's something that's just like eating at me right now
that I'm thinking about what I'm really concerned about in
this case from a forensic standpoint, and that's going to
be her talks. How are you going to land on
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an answer relative to talks? And if you can give
me a little latitude here. One of the things that
we do in cases of advancy composition. You know how
we were talking about how the body begins to break down.
We talked about this kind of gelatinous state that the
body might be in. One of the things that's rather
robust that you can go to is actually the liver
and to a certain degree the brain as well. What
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we do is that what remains of the liver and
the brain, we will take take samples of that and
literally spin it down to the point where it liquefies.
We can actually draw that up, Nancy and get what's
referred to as a qualitative finding, like were there any
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drugs in her system? Talking meth coch you know the
standard panel that we run in the medical legal world.
Now here's the problem. You're not going to be able
to get a quantitative amount, you know, which is what
we're looking for. If we're thinking about OD for instance,
you can merely get a qualitative amount, and that says
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that these drugs were present. And the question now is
how in the hell is a young girl like this
getting access to these substances that is under the direct
care of an individual that is an adult in her life. Remember,
she's not been with her family, so how is she
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getting access to these trucks?
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Okay, let me well, don't you just said harsh reality
is even in a body is for instance, mummified from
being out in the desert or in some other difficult terrain,
and the body literally dries up. The internal organs, such
as the liver, can be put in a blender with
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some form of liquid such as sailine maybe centrila, and liquefied,
you basically making a smoothie out of the internal organs,
and from those organs, talks can be conducted. Toxicology lapse
can be conducted on that.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
So even if her remains are.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
As you said, Jello, if she's been dead since the spring,
even so that test can still be run. But you're
saying you can't get a quantitative amount, which is the
possibility of an overdose. You can't tell how much of
it is in her system. You can just determine it
is in her system. But you know, I got a
problem with what you're saying. Here's the problem to doctor
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Jerlyn Utter. We keep hearing discussions of maybe she odd.
Why are we hearing that if this was an accidental
OD and anyone hoped to save her inside D four
BD's mansion, they would have.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Called nine one one.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
We don't want to think she was intentionally murdered.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
So we all come up with oh, it was likely.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
An overdose, and they panicked and got rid of her body.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Excuse me, panicked and.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Dismembered her body and left it in a trunk. That's
not what people do when you want to save someone's life,
when someone has an accident. So reminiscent a little Kille
Anthony when topmham Casey Anthony wants us to believe Keilly
died in the pool and then her dad decide, oh,
(34:03):
let's just put her in a trash bag and throw
in a swamp. That's a great idea instead of trying
to revive her or have a funeral.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
That's total bs. So why do we want to believe
this was an od because.
Speaker 9 (34:16):
It feels better that way psychologically, Nancy, I mean, this
is D four, you know, VD or David whatever you
want to reference him as. He was somebody that was
coming up in the ranks. He was beloved, he had
a following. It feels better to have to think, oh,
this was an accident. I don't want to have to
wrap my head around the fact person that I love
and I admire and whose art or music I like did.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Something like that.
Speaker 9 (34:38):
The other thing, when it comes to overdose, to your point,
if she had an accidental overdose, you would think that
people would would rush right away to call the police. Sadly,
you know, we don't need it as often as we'd
like to see it because people panic, and usually what
they'll do is they might drive to an emergency room
and just kind of drop someone off, or they might
move her while she's still alive and overdose and put
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her on the side what sidewalk and call. To your point,
the fact that we moved to dismemberment really just you know,
it kind of makes you think, hey, maybe there was
more fail play, not just simply an overdose your earlier question.
We believe that people are capable of doing evil, terrible things,
and again, someone who was an artist that was coming
up through the ranks. Another thing we want to think
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of is she is a child. She is a minor.
So there's so many layers to self protection, self preservation
and protecting his image potentially that are involved in a
case like this. But to your point, if it wasn't overdose,
there were ten million other things that could have been
done to protect quote unquote him in his camp while
also trying to get this young child help.
Speaker 8 (35:43):
Shocking information uncovered by the LAPD has the investigation spotlight
finally pointing on Burke. Investigators have developed new information that
leads them to believe Celeste likely died in the spring
of this year, and the death is being tentatively treated
as possible homicide, but officials are waiting on an official
cause of death from the medical examiner.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
All I need is one witness, one witness to crack
one of Burke's insiders to tell the truth about the
night Celeste dying.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
We will get answers as to what happened to Celeste.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
To read us bombshell tonight. According to sources within the
lap D D four VD aka David Anthony Burke, known
as David as a musician, is finally finally being considered
as a suspect in the death of a little girl,
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teen girls Celeste found decomposing in his vehicle. The bombshell,
not that he's being considered a suspect. Reportedly, many people
already considered him a suspect or at least a POI
person of interest, but.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
The time law this is a seismic shift.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Now we are learning police believe this little girl died
back in the spring, not in the fall, not in
September when her body was found, but many many months
before that. I'm going to circle back to Joe Scott
Morgan with the possibilities she was dismembered in the desert, outside,
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in the terrain outside Santa Barbara, and what that would
mean forensically, if dirt or soil could be found in
that Tesla trunk from that area, what would that prove.
But here's one of the reasons the timeline was off.
Speaker 8 (37:41):
It's a little weird to see a car that I
haven't seen here for a long time, had a big
dent on it had a Texas plate on it, so
all a little odd. One neighbor says. The distinct looking
Tesla was parked on the street for some time in
front of the house that was searched, and later in
two other spots on the street. The vehicle stood out
because it has Texas plate and a big dent.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
From our friends at WABC.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Back out to Dave mac Crime Stories investigative reporter, this
is a seismic shift the timeline, and it opens up
the possibility that there was not just a murder a
cover up, but a very long cover up that lasted
for months and was quite elaborate, suggesting that Celeste was
still alive, thereby hiding the fact that she was dead
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and dismembered. So, Dave mac regarding the cover up, regarding
the trip out into a remote area, You've studied the map.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
What area are they referring to? What is the.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Most obvious remote area outside Santa Barbara.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
The one I'm looking at, Nancy, is a st Valley,
which is a terrain that is it's difficult to drive
it far in. You're going to do a lot of
hiking to get around there. It's underdeveloped, and it is
an area that really and truly could be a place
where you could be left alone for a long long time.
But Nancy, I want you mentioned the cover up. Okay,
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think about this when you're looking that long game that
includes the staged Celeste look alike at the concert in August.
Think about his new album Withard was coming out April
to twenty fifth. They're not saying Celeste was dead in
early spring. As we look at this old thing where
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they're always blocking her face so you can't see how
she looked, can't identify her. I hate to say this,
did they plan her death so that they could get
her out of the way as the new album came out,
and he goes is on his first world tour and
they raise her with a look and stage the whole
thing to justice.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Scott Morgan try to erase.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Dave max wacky conspiracy theory, although frankly, you know what,
so much is changed in this case, maybe it's not
that wacky after all. Just Scott Morgan, let's talk about
that rugged area. If she was dismembered there with help,
and I'm curious why ELI law enforcement is saying that
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the killer had helped dismembering her.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
That's another can of worms.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
But what would you expect to find on her body
on those bags and possibly in the Tesla trunk?
Speaker 5 (40:45):
Yeah, you had mentioned earlier. You know, you begin to
think of there's an area within forensics where we have
forensic geology, where we begin to take a look at
soul samples, and that's contained within the trace evidence area
at the State crime Lab. So you actually can compare
soil that is, say, for instance, if you're talking to
you know, this house is where he was renting, is
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essentially adjacent to Chateau Marmont, the famous place where Belue
she died and all of those things went down all
those years ago. Well, that geology in that area, the
type of oil there is completely different than say, this
area where he is alleged to have gone. I got
one more for you, Nancy. Remember what are they say?
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They're saying that there's chance she may have gone missing
in the spring. Guess what happens in the spring. You've
got new bloom going on. So the flora, that is,
all of the plant life that is out in that area,
there's a high potential that those species are completely different
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than you're going to find back in more coastal areas
around La So in these bags, not only are they
going to be looking for soil sample, they're also going
to be looking for any kind kind of pollen that's
on the body. That's another area with with forensics that
we look at relative to this. So there's a lot
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of evidence if if they have taken their time with
each one of these bags, with her body, any clothing
that have may have been on there, there's a chance
to harvest information there that might tell you about her path,
at least from geographic standpoint.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
I want you to see a live stream video of
D four VD David Anthony Burke and Celeste, which has
recently resurfaced Watch.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
A way Way look answer that one? That one on one.
Speaker 12 (42:43):
It was good, big families, Oh thank you, Mitch, Mitchel, Kanzio,
maz Can we delete all ods and then as soon
as the team to the stream too?
Speaker 1 (42:58):
You know what that tells me?
Speaker 2 (43:00):
That again is a livestream video of David Anthony Burke
and Celeste which resurfaced that D four VD. David Anthony
Burke is very aware of any incriminating evidence. He knows
to delete it, get rid of it, don't let it
stay on the air. We know that there was a
long history of covering Celeste's face whenever they were photographed together.
(43:24):
What else, if anything, would he cover up? And I
want to address something, Joanna, and the evis the veteran
trial lawyer said. She said, well, you know, if the
body is so decomposed, we may never know cod cause
of death, and therefore we won't know whether this was
a murder. I want you to imagine something, Joanne. Go
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to the back recesses of your mind and imagine a
sinking ship about to go under in a turbulent storm.
Imagine rats, rats, rodents running across the deck of the
ship not knowing what to do. A sinking ship with
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rats running across the deck, you don't think one of
those rodents will grab onto anything.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
To save its own skin.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
Yes, somebody within dfour vd's camp knows exactly what happened,
and we have learned from private investigator Steve Fisher, who
can no longer comment, I imagine because he's going to
be a witness that he saw who was driving the
Tuzla parking it here, parking it there?
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Was it D four VD.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
I guarantee you he had a minion do that a friend,
and that friend knows everything. There are multiple people living
in that mansion. Someone is going to try their best
to save their own skin, like those rats on the
ship deck, and they are going to rat out on
David Anthony.
Speaker 10 (45:00):
Pressure bus pipes, and I agree with that. When your
life and your livelihood is on the line, it is
not difficult to apply the pressure and get somebody to break. Now,
will that confession or that big reveal actually point to
D four VD That still remains unknown? You know, maybe
(45:22):
he is aware. Obviously there is something going on that
there is a level of awareness and knowledge, But what
we don't know is who the actual culprit was of
what happened through Celeste.
Speaker 8 (45:36):
Investigators have made contact with several people involved in the case,
some more involved than others, but all in some capacity
that leads detectives to believe they are certain they're going
down the right path for a suspect. Even with the
new information about the investigation, no one has been arrested
and the investigation is ongoing.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
We here at crime stories would be remiss if we
don't ask questions about Celeste Rivas's parents. How can she
be missing all this time, even possibly dead since the spring?
And they alerted no one? How much, if any blame
(46:17):
is attributed to them? Where was mommy? Where was Daddy.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
Tonight?
Speaker 2 (46:24):
This investigation is ongoing. The police need your help. If
you know or think you know anything, whether you are
within the four v d's camp, whether you're a neighbor,
whether you saw them together, anything, please call LAPD two
one three four eight six six eight nine zero repeat
(46:48):
two one three, four, eight, six six eight nine zero.
We remember an American hero, Officer Jeremy Hall, Virginia Department Corrections,
killed in the line of beauty. He lays behind a
grieving family. American hero officer Jeremy Paul Nancy Gray signing
(47:10):
off goodbye friend
Host
Nancy Grace
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