October 26, 2025 • 43 mins
A jury finds Sean "Diddy" Combs guilty of two counts relating to transporting individuals for prostitution, but the rap mogul is acquitted of the more serious charges of sex trafficking and racketeering conspiracy.
The first day of deliberations split the jury, leaving Combs receiving a partial verdict. Jurors sent a note saying they reached a verdict on counts two through five, meaning they were unable to reach a consensus on the racketeering charge, one of the biggest charges.
After the verdict, Combs' attorneys ask for bail. He doesn't get it, instead getting a 50 month prison sentence. Now the conversation has already turned to what will happen when Diddy gets out of jail.
After serving his prison sentence, Sean "Diddy" Combs will face five years of supervised release with strict guidelines.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Philip Dubé - Court-Appointed Counsel, Los Angeles County Public Defenders: Criminal & Constitutional Law; Forensics & Mental Health Advocacy
- Dr. Cheryl Arutt - Licensed Clinical and Forensic Psychologist (specializing in trauma recovery, PTSD and EMDR); Website: CreativeEMDR.com, IG: @askdrcheryl
- Robert Crispin - Private Investigator at “Crispin Special Investigations," Former Federal Task Force Officer for the United States Department of Justice (DEA and Miami Field Division), and Former Homicide and Crimes Against Children Investigator; Facebook: Crispin Special Investigations Inc.
- Rob Shuter - Host: Naughty But Nice Podcast and Former Publicist of Sean Combs; IG: @naughtygossip
- Lynn Shaw - Founder and Executive Director of Lynn's Warriors - an organization committed to ending human trafficking and sexual exploitation, Host of Lynn's Warriors on YouTube; X: @lynns_warriors, YouTube: @LynnsWarriors,
- Tisa Tells - Pop Culture Investigator & Commentator and Host of 'Tisa Tells' on YouTube; YouTube: @TisaTells, Instagram & TikTok: @TisaTellss
- Lauren Conlin - Podcaster/Reporter/Host- Co-Host of "PopCrimeTV" on YouTube; Website: primetimecrimeshow.com, X- @Conlin_Lauren, Instagram: @LaurenEmilyConlin, YouTube: @PopCrimeTV
- Sydney Sumner - CRIME STORIES Investigative Reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
In the last days, we understand that Sean didd He
Combs is to be under strict rules once released from prison.
Wait a minute, released from prison. He hasn't served his
Measley thirty six months yet, and we're already talking about release.
Isn't that putting the cart before the horse hold on
(00:28):
Nelly strict rules?
Speaker 1 (00:30):
My rear end.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. I'm want to
thank you for being with us. Why are we already
talking about rules for release? Combs hasn't done a fraction
of his mega thirty six months behind bars, after all
the things the judge heard that he did to women,
(00:53):
and he's doing thirty six months. I'm still reeling over that.
But now his quote rules quote as if he ever
lived according to rules they're called quote stringent restrictions, Well
that's total bs. For instance, he will have to report
to his probation officer quote as instructed. When when he's
(01:18):
got to go to the probation department, that's nothing. He'll
probably have a driver drop him off in front, go
in charm the probation officer and then leave. Maybe he'll
slip him a couple hundred dollars. Remember how he bribed
the hotel employees to quash the video of him beating
(01:45):
Cassie Venturo senseless Anyway, here's the second quote, stringent rule.
His probation officer will be allowed to drop in any time. Okay,
whatever you do, don't have a drink when you're their
probation officer, or you may end up butt naked, getting
videoed having sex and wake up with your rear end
(02:08):
herding like many of the victims claim happened to them. Okay,
you know what. This is what we know happened. After
a split verdict where Shawn Combs is acquitted of rico,
two other accounts come into play.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Shawn Comb's convicted on two felony counts.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
There was a massive argument via paper to keep Shawn
Combs behind bars, the defense fighting tooth and nail to
let him out on appeal bond, which means you get
out while your conviction is being appealed. Joining me right now,
Tisa Tales. You can find her on YouTube at Tisa Tales.
(02:50):
Tisa start at the beginning, Start with the verdict, the split.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
What happened when the jury walked in, everybody was on
pins and needles.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Everybody in the courtroom expected him to be guilty on
at least the sex trafficking. There was a somber tone
they walked in and when they said please read, and
they said, what do you find ye on count one?
Not guilty? It was a bomb that went off in
the courtroom. The public audibly gassed. Nobody was expecting that.
(03:28):
There were tears of joy from Ditty's side. Count two,
what say ye not guilty?
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Again?
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Another bombshell went off. People were in utter disbelief. Any
even Ditty's most ardent supporters, did not expect him to
get off on the count of sex trafficking with Cassie.
Count three when they said guilty for transportation of a prostitute,
When they said guilty for the man a, that is
when Didy's team actually cheered, yeah, that's all right, okay, okay,
(04:00):
come on, almost like you were watching a pro football game.
When the other ones came in after that, there were
jaws on the ground.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
It was unbelievable. People were looking at the jury, searching.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
And to how they can get a verdict in this
day and age.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
They heard Cassie's mother the twenty thousand.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
They heard Capricorn Clark, they heard about the savage beatings,
and it was unbelievable that the only thing they said
was prostitution.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
And that is because Daniel.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Phillips in his testimony actually said, at least I'm guessing
that it was because that he got paid to have
sex for money. It was a travesty. It was an
all out circus. Everybody, including myself, are running to safety.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I got a question for your teas of tails, and
everyone's going to want to know this. You're in a
car right now. You had to leave the courthouse.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Why I had to leave the courthouse because Diddy's supporters
were out of control. The first time I ran in
did my live. Of course, I had two armed security guys.
Everyone told me the people in the courthouse is like,
make sure you have security.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
There's a lot of weird stuff going on.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
It wasn't just me, but I'll tell you what I experienced.
Diddy supporter is surrounding me, threatening me, saying that they
were going to hurt me. It was a serious situation.
It got so bad and there was so much chalos
of chaos and violence that they actually had to lock
the courtroom down and force the Diddy supporters across the street.
(05:30):
It was something myself, the news media, mainstream media, new
media have never seen in their lives the level.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
And again the jurors, I hope to.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
God they know how to sleep at night, because again
I'm sure they did their duty. But when all that
chast was happening, as I was being threatened and ushered
out by armed security people, I thought, this is what
the jury did.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
They sent a signal that it is okay to.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Use violence, It's okay to drug people up, it's okay
to live a life of debauchery, It's okay to do
whatever you want. Because guess what if you work hard enough,
and you have enough money and.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Enough delusional fans, and.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
You have engrained yourself in culture enough that you can
do whatever you want, and twelve of your peers will
look the other way.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Again, this jury was shocking.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Taste of teals.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
When you say that Shawncom's supporters threatened you, what were
they saying?
Speaker 4 (06:31):
They were saying, you B, you f and B. We're
going to kill you, you f and B. You've worked apparently.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
I work for the fence. You're a plant. You make
this all up because of you. Again, they're not too
smart because of you. That's how this case got started.
We're gonna treat you worse than we treated Cassie. Cassie,
what we do to you, it's gonna be nothing that
they had on Cassie.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
They were screaming, they were yelling.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Some people were saying, apologize the Diddy, apologize the Ditty.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Of course, thank goodness.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
We had Lenny and we had Jimmy, two of the
best arm guards out there.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
So the one thing is they and also they started foaming.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Like wild dogs because they realized that I was not
an unprotected woman, and they realized they could not just
do what they felt like. And they started foaming like
wild dogs, screaming, their voices cracking in anger that they
ricially wanted to rip me apart.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
This is why their hero had been exonerated.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Even in the best of times, these people that support him,
there's something wrong with it. And I gotta tell you, Nancy,
it wasn't just me.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
It was not just me.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
It was anybody that didn't have a pro Diddy stamp
from the beginning.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
That's who suffered.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Joining me an all star panel that I want to
thank Tisa tales for what she's doing tonight.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
You know, Rob Sheeter is joining me. Rob, I really
don't know where to start. This is a blow.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
This is a huge blow to crime victims all over
the country. Huge blow. The big news is right now,
Sean Combs is going to jail. Okay, He's going to jail.
I was actually worried that somehow the judge would contriveting
the law. And the law is under the Bill Reform
Act that for these two charges on which he was convicted,
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he has to go to jail.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
There is no appeal bond period.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
But I was so concerned that the judge would somehow
find a way to let him walk. And all this time, Shooter,
we've been hearing. I've got all these letters here. Here's
one from Deontay Nash in fear, in fear talking about Combs,
this long, well documented history of violent retaliatory behavior.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
They're afraid.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Rob'shoter, guys, Shooter knows comes better than any of us.
His longtime publicists know more. But now you can find
him at his substack robshooter dot substack dot com and
noney but nice podcast.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Shooter.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
I got to tell you, it was like a kick
in the stomach when that split verdict came down.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
Yeah, I think everybody was done before. Before I continue, then, Nancy,
I just want to send my best to Tisha. What
happened to her outside that courthouse is horrific. It is wrong,
and I'm afraid these people now have been emboldened. When
we heard the judgment.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
I think we were all shell shocked, we were all heartbroken,
we all felt like we'd been kicked in the stomach. However,
as the day has gone on, we do have to
remember Nanty that he has been found guilty of two
very serious charges. If any other celebrity had been charged
with those two charges, those alone and being found guilty,
(09:50):
we would be done with them. So the celebration from
Team Diddy, the disappointment from people who've been watching this
as closely as we have, I think we can take
a step back both sides and realize that this is
not a good day for d Day. He is now
a federal criminal, is in jail tonight, He's going to
(10:11):
remain there, and so at least take some solace in that.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
You know, Rob Shooter, I've been getting flooded by crime victims,
rape victims from all walks of life that are upset.
They don't really sound mad, yet they're devastated, They're sad.
They can't believe this has happened. I've been already subjected
(10:37):
to a lot of attacks, verbal attacks, and I think,
like what Tisa tells, has been subjected to already. But
I give the credit to the prosecutors for going in there.
And I truly believe this was a David and Goliath
and they went in against one of the highest profile
(10:59):
personalities in our country, Sean Comes, who many people think
that they know and they love him, and for some reason,
that blinded them, that drowned out everything that three sex
attack victims said.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
And one had the video? What had the video? I
just I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Rob Shooter, give me some insight and to how Sean
Comes got a split vert. But yes, you're right, he
is going to jail on two felonies, two felonies.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
That's a victory that Seawan Comes is going to jail.
Speaker 6 (11:42):
Yeah, that's a victory.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
We have to hadn't gone for that, Nancaid, because in
this moment, in this hour, there's not a lot of hope.
Speaker 6 (11:48):
Everything seems so bad.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
We have let down, not just the people in this case,
but victings around the world. Didd now will be empowered.
This is not the end of the story, Nancy. When
he gets out of jail, if he gets out of jail,
his behavior will not change because he thinks he has
(12:10):
gotten away with it.
Speaker 6 (12:12):
Again. If you enable.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
Someone, Nancy, they do not change. So mark my words, Nancy,
this is not the end of the Diddy story.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
It's the end of a very, very sad chapter. And
I think we've let a lot of people down.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
And as far as being concerned about safety, I just
broke reporting that Cassie has now increased her security. Cassie
in New York, her home now has security increased.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
And I think a lot of other people, courageous people.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
Who came forward assistance, people that worked with Diddy came
forward and testified they're very vulnerable and they are very,
very scared right now.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Linn Shaw joining me, founder and director Linn's Warriors, dedicated
to ending sex trafficking and sex abuse on girls and women.
When I learned about the split verdict, I was speechless.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
I couldn't believe it. But it's happened.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
So what do you want the prosecutors to do? Go
home and hide under the bed. Should they had just
never even brought the case. They did it because they
believed it, and I still do believe it. Lynn, I
believe Cassie vent Tira was coerced and beaten into having
sex with male sex workers.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
That sex trafficking. I believe her.
Speaker 7 (13:31):
I believe Cassie. I believe Jane. I believe sex trafficking.
This is a sober reflection on everything I've been talking
about for about eight weeks now with this trial that
the public and I'm going to say the jurors, okay,
do not understand predation, power, what sex trafficking is. And
(13:53):
a reminder again, this case was not just about one man.
This case was about all of the victory across the
country the world whose voices have been silenced because they
don't come forward because the justice system usually picks power, wealth,
status over believing their truths.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
But I want to point.
Speaker 7 (14:13):
Out there is hope. I've spent all day coaching people,
talking people, fielding text messages, and I want to say,
you know what, these victims that reach out to me, Nancy,
they're not even angry, you know what they keep saying.
Please Lynn, please remind everybody we're victims. Please remind everybody
we have a voice. Please remind everybody we are here.
And that goes back to I have to do. We
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have to do in society a better job of educating
about sex, trafficking, about trauma, bonding, trauma, what predation really
looks like. This is the most frightening thing to empower
this Sean Colms and I just want to make the
commitment that we will work very hard to continue reforming,
raising awareness and working with the justice system.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Straight back out to Tasa Tales, who has made it
to a safe location, taste the Tales.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I want to talk.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
About what happened when the split verdict was announced in
the courtroom, and then I want to move to the
appeal bond hearing. Let's start with the split verdict. Take
it from the very beginning.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
When you heard count one not guilty, A bomb went
off in the courtroom. Not guilty. No one could believe it,
Song did. He's calm side even looked around as if
they hadn't heard correctly. No one thought that the jury
would actually.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Go this far.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Everybody thought that the delay meant that he was actually guilty.
When the second count was read, again, jaws dropped open
did he leaned back in relief.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Raised his hands. The defence team was like, yes, I
get it. They literally pulled a magic act. Okay, they
literally pulled a magic act.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
His team, his side start sarted, celebrating, started saying yeah.
When we heard the third count, guilty for the prostitution, okay.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Everyone on his.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Side it was like, that's okay, that's okay. They were clapping,
almost like they were watching a football game. When they
first came out with the verdict. The prosecution was doing
what they were doing. They were looking straight. It's a job,
I would assume, to look like they always have it
under control.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
By the time they got.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
To the third count, Marine called me, looked over at
the jury and disbelief.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Literally again, she's always.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Very composed, but even for her to finally look over
at the jury on some are you kidding me? And
she just kept looking at the jury as they read
the counts. Again, I know the jury did their best,
but I cannot feel that justice was served. How can
you forget the vicious beatings. How can you forget the
twenty k the mom had to wire and order four
(16:54):
two freak off tastes not to be released.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Okay, that's what she thought when she wired it.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Can you forget what happened to Bonna being hung over balcony?
Speaker 4 (17:03):
She might have got the date wrong by a few
days days, but the point is it happened.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
How you can get forget Deontay Nash and the best
friend Carrie.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Who got a hangar to the head and.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Saw Cassie get impiled, driven into the corner of a
bed on purpose.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
How can you forget all that and.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Come back and say, you know what, we don't see
anything criminal here again. We can argue about the prosecution, prostitution,
got ditty on the head, We can argue about the
prosecution what they could have did better, But the fact
that the jury chose to overlook all that. It brought
me back to what Rob Shooter said weeks ago when
(17:43):
I first started joining you, Nacy, that people get starstrucked
and they want some of that magic. And it makes
me wonder were they starstruck? Were they feeling sorry and
trying to protect a legacy for someone that hit their
depravity and their evil ways behind it.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
It makes you want dirty.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Sean didd He comes to be under quote stringent restrictions
when he finishes his thirty six months behind bars that
tasted like a dirt sandwich. Why just thirty six months
is fifty months minus time served, which is fourteen months,
which equals thirty six months. For instance, one of the
(18:36):
stringent rules is he must submit to a search of
himself and his property.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Okay for a guy that's stripped.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Down repeatedly wearing nothing but a burka in the sex videos,
I doubt he's gonna mind that at all. Joining Men,
All Star panel back to Tisa tells Joining Us she
had to be escorted by armed guards out of the
courthouse and leave the scene after she was mobbed by
ditty fans. Explain to me what was happening outside the courthouse.
(19:09):
I understand that once the split verdict was announced, the
Diddy followers, the Diddy worshippers, went cray outside the courthouse,
actually dousing each other with baby oil and chanting.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
They farmed the circle. It looked like a mush pit
of depravity. They were spraying baby oil on each other,
jumping around feeling fantastic. One woman and a pair of
Calvin Klein breasts and agra started jumping up and down, wiggling.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Why they sat.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
There spraying baby on her, and the crowd was channing
yay yay, yay go.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
And hyping them up. It was a monstrous bowl of
the party depravity.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
When I say, I was sickened, When I say, I
sh shook my head. And when I said, these are
the peers, these are the jury of the peers. And
it makes me wonder as a jury goes home and
they look at the television sets and they see what
their decision costs and what was on the line, it
makes me wonder.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
How can they sleep at night? It was absolute pandemonial.
Speaker 8 (20:15):
In between the jumping up and down with the baby
oil woman willingly baby oil being squirted on them, and
everybody laughing and having a time like Christmas had just
come with Santa and the troll perverted els.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
What happened after that was even more amazing because.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
While that was going on, there were little fires everywhere
of these bands of I don't know if they're in cels,
if they're idiots, what was going on looking for anybody
they had ever saw make anti Ditty contest, and by
anti Diddy, according to thelm it is pro justice. They
were going out their ways to make sure that everybody paid.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
And again I said, this is what that jury cost says.
Let us know. It's sent a message.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
It's okay to be depraved, it's okay to beat women,
it's okay to do drugs, it's okay to do whatever
you want. And that jury, that jury, when they gave
the verdict, signals that. Again, I'm still coming to terms
with how the jury got to this. Thank God, this
man was denied bail.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Thank God.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Straight out to send me some re joining US Crime Stories,
investigative reporter on the case from the very beginning, break
down the counts for me, said.
Speaker 9 (21:26):
Nancy, how one is that racketeering, rico conspiracy. Combs was
found not guilty on count one. Count two, three, four,
and five are those sex trafficking and transportation to engage
in prostitution charges. So there was one count each for
Cassie and Jane on both of those charges. So the
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jury found that Combs was liable for both transportation to
engage in prostitution charges and not guilty on sex trafficking
for either Jane or Cassie.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Straight out to Philip Debate, joining US veteran trial lawyer,
joining US out of the La jurisdiction, So debate. This
is the breakdown. Count one racketeering not guilty. Count two
sex trafficking by force, fraud or coercion as it relates
to Cassie Ventira, you know the woman that was beaten
in that video and dragged back to a freak off
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her the one that had to get plastic surgery on
her face after did he beat her up?
Speaker 1 (22:25):
That one that's a not guilty.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Count three transportation to engage in prostitution as it relates
to Cassie. Guilty that carries a maximum of ten years.
And that comes, i believe from the sex worker who
came in Philip and described Sean Combs wearing a burka
from the chin up and naked from the chin down
and had him have sex with Cassie on video and
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directed them that was across state lines. So guilty on
that count for sex trafficking by force, fraud, coercion as
it relates to Jane victim.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Two not guilty.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Count five transportation to engage in prostitution as it relates
to Jane.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Guilty.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
So we got two guilties, three not guilties, split verdict.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
So there was great jubilation at first. When did he
followers heard.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Split They heard the words not guilty on count one
and went crazy. What do you think is going to
happen now, Philip?
Speaker 6 (23:33):
He will be getting in prison time, There's no question.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Right, another thing debate. Let's get real.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
It's really rare in federal and state court that once
you're convicted and a jury convicts.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
You on a violent offence, that you.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Get an appeal bond, which means, okay, Joe, I know
he just got convicted, but could you please let him
walk free now until we take this all the way
up up to the appellate court and get a decision
that rarely works.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Agree, disagree?
Speaker 6 (24:06):
Oh, I agree one hundred percent. No higher court is
going to find that this judge abused his discretion by
not letting him out or by not setting a bond.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
You know. Robert Crispin joining me, private investigator at Crispin
Special Investigations, former homicide and former vice detective Crispin. Here's
the deal. If the judge had granted Shawn Combs a
bond and appeal bond. Now remember once he was arrested, Crispin,
he was kept behind bars. He did not have a
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bond right for a reason. He's got money, and he
squats right over by Teeterborough, the private airport near New York.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
You know, if the judge had given Shawn Combs an appeal.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Bond, he goes straight to Teeborough and take off, probably
under an assumed name.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
When you fly a private plane, you can give a
fake ID.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Just it's not the same as going through TSA at
Hartsville International or LaGuardia or jfk No, where they will
frisk you and look in all your bags.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
It's not like that. At a private plane.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
You kind of just walk on onto your private plane
that he has, have a glass of champagne and.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Go bye bye us, Hello Paris. That's what happens, Crispin.
Speaker 10 (25:24):
Yeah. Actually, earlier, just before we came on Nancy, I
was trying to find out where his G five to
fifty was, because we know that it was out in
La a couple of days ago. I was trying to
see if they had already got those guys up and
running and that plane was coming eastbound, thinking he was
going to probably get out and dip out back out
to La or back down here to Miami to where
(25:45):
his neighbors aren't certainly thrilled about him coming back, but
doesn't look like anytime soon he's going to be gracing
his presence with these guys. So I was trying to
find out where that jet was that I haven't found
out yet. But the verdict is just it's harp or king.
It's a black eye to the victims. It's terrible, horrible
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for any of these victims that want to come forward,
or any witness that wants to put their ass on
the line, raise your right hand and testify against somebody.
When a jury's going to find that guy not guilty,
that's really bad for these witnesses and victims. They know
what's coming.
Speaker 9 (26:21):
Now.
Speaker 10 (26:21):
Look what's happened to our reporter As she was leaving
the courthouse, they were attacking her. This guy was found
guilty of federal parts.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
And I'd like to point out Rob Sheater what they
were saying to Tisa Hills.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Rob.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
They were saying, we're gonna do worse to you than
we did to Cassie Sheter. I mean, Diddy has to
be condoning this. He has been orchestrating the crowd. He's
been orchestrating everything.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Yeah, Nancy, I think looking for Diddy to do the
right thing at this moment is unrealistic.
Speaker 6 (26:53):
This is who he is. The whole world to see
who he is.
Speaker 5 (26:56):
And unfortunately there's a large amount of people out there
who are just perfectly fine with this. Nobody can pretend
anymore that we don't know who did he is. We
know we've seen him on tape. That tape will exist forever.
We've heard the testimonies, we've heard the accounts, we've heard
the details, we've seen them, and yet some people still
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support him. There's nothing we can do about that, Nancy.
And to think that Diddy is going to stop it,
that ain't going to happen.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
He's going to encourage it.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
He wants people out there, he wants the violence, he
wants people screaming. This to him is the party that
he always wanted to throw shape.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
You know, Rob Shooter, everything you're saying can be transposed
to him before he was arrested. You know, in every case,
I've told you this before off air. I've seen a
million homicide scenes. I've been to the Morgue, I've seen
it all. But there's always a moment in a trial
that just twists the knife very disturbing. And in this trial,
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there were two moments like that for me.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
And one was.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
In the Hotel Intercontinental video beat down where she had
already been beaten and she was backing up and she
tried to hold up She's right handed was holding holding
her mouth I think, with one hand, the right hand
and holding up her left hand against Sean Comb's like
she could fight him off, okay. And the the other
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moment was when she was getting beaten and she was
down on the floor and Combs had a.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Glass, a liquor glass held.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Up ready to throw down at her face, and she said,
can't you see what's happening?
Speaker 1 (28:52):
And nobody did anything.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
It's just like in the courtroom, the jury didn't do
any They didn't.
Speaker 6 (29:02):
They didn't, Nancy. It's heartbreaking. People I know who.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
Have worked with him, who knew him, many of us
are on a text exchange and they're heartbroken, and a
lot of people are really worried to I don't want
to keep hopping on about this, Nancy, but this is
a very dangerous man. This is a man who allegedly
try to fire bomb the car of somebody that was
dating his.
Speaker 6 (29:26):
Girlfriend, his ex girlfriend this is a.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Dangerous, dangerous man, and what that jury has just done
has said it doesn't matter.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
It's okay.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
You keep being puffy, you keep being you, and we
will support you. But let me just say, Nancy, we
can't just blame the jury here. We've got to blame
the person that did it. And that's did he did.
He is responsible for all this. Everything else is a
red herring. He's the problem and he will continue now
to be a problem.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Doctor Cheryl Eric, who is a clinical and forensics psychologist,
explain the effect this is going to have on not
only these victims that we heard on the stand, but
other victims everywhere.
Speaker 11 (30:07):
Nancy, Once there is the threat of violence, that power
control tactic shapes everything that happens after that. We have
a jury who heard evidence about a tremendous amount of violence, threats,
threats of blackmail, videotaped assaults that were maintaining the power
and control, and yet they didn't feel that they had
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enough evidence to be able to find that what was
happening there was not consensual. Trafficking has to do with force, fraud, coercion.
Consent is anything, but when somebody really scary makes you
an offer, that you cannot refuse that is not consent.
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And what I think people are failing to understand about
the way that the even the threat of violence shapes
behavior is that when someone does not believe that they
can survive a threat by actually fighting back, they use fawning,
They use appeasing, they use the freeze response. They are
trying to placate the person who is scaring them. And
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this man certainly has no shortage of people who were really,
really frightened of him and still are.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
And I think that.
Speaker 11 (31:18):
These really normal autonomic nervous system survival responses, fawning, appeasing,
the freeze response, These are things that need to be
understood better by juries, understood better by the public, and
even by survivors themselves.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
You know, Rob Shooter.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Would you look one more time at these celebrations going
on outside the courthouse after the split verdict was announced.
Speaker 12 (31:46):
Take a look, thoughts, Nanci.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
I can tell you, as somebody who knows puff those
people standing outside that courts have never met him. They've
never been to his apartment, they've never been on his
private plane. They've never had a text or an email
or a phone call with him. I have he doesn't
care about any of those people, all those people who
have took their time, their energy to go and support
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this guy. Let me talk to them directly. He does
not care about you. If he can treat his girlfriend
Cassie the way that we've seen him treat it on video,
this is not testimony, this is video.
Speaker 6 (32:35):
If he can treat.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
Someone who he's supposed to love like that, how do
you think he can treat you. He doesn't care about you.
You're wasting your energy on him, And honestly, my friends, stop,
he doesn't care. He's laughing at these people outside that
court has he's egging them on, but he doesn't care.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
You know, Rob Sheeter, You speak with so much conviction
and so much feeling, and that tells me that you
know something something.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
You haven't told me. Why do you believe this?
Speaker 2 (33:10):
What did you observe to make you say what you
just said.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
I've observed a really selfish person, Nancy. I've observed a
person who doesn't have any shame, who has no sense
of pride, who has no sense of decency. He's a
really bad man, and through his career, through the media,
through his products, he has managed to come us all
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to kid us all into believing he is somebody else. Now,
I hoped that day was coming to an end. In fact,
I could even tell you the day that I thought
it was ending. It was today. I'm absolutely punched to
my gut, to my stomach to know that Puffy once
again rises. Maybe not like a phoenix, but justice does
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not feel as if it has been sod shooter.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Do you know that people aren't flooding the courthouse the
judges chambers with letters please don't let him out.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
We're afraid.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
From Cassie Ventura's lawyer to Deonte Nash, so many others
in fear, just like what you're saying. And we heard
earlier how this affects people. They saw what happened to
kid Cuddy, they saw what happened to Cassie, and now he's.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Going to walk crime stories with Nancy Grace. Another stringent
rule set down by the judge comes.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
We'll have to live in a home approved by the
probation officer.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Okay, what a mansion suffice? I bet it does.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Speaking of the mansion, a man is where many of
the so called free coughs occurred. But what went on
behind those mansioned walls? Was pure hell according to many
of the victims, after the split verdict, when everyone or
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I sprang each other with baby oil outside the courthouse.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
And baying and yelling and.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Celebrating, Comes goes back into the courtroom Sidney for the hearing.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Right the hearing on is there going to be an appeal? Bond?
Speaker 9 (35:34):
Is?
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Comes going to walk out of the courthouse a freeman today.
During that hearing, Comes briefly tries to raise his hand
to speak after the judge denies his request for release again.
The judge seemed to ignore the move and instead asks
the US Assistant Attorney Marine Comy to respond, and she says, quote,
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he is extremely violent with an extraordinary temper, who has
shown no remorse and no regret. And it makes me think, Sinney,
about that fake apology. I'm going to keep that up
and play it for you in just a moment, said
where he does all this apologizing after beating Cassie, But
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according to what we learned in court and sworn testimony,
he continued the violence after the apology video. That's what
she said, no remorse and no regret at all.
Speaker 9 (36:34):
Yeah, that is definitely what the judge and prosecutors are thinking.
Comy referenced the violent incident with Jane after Colmes knew
he was already under investigation. The judge referenced the multiple
instances of Colme's trying to reach out to potential witnesses,
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trying to sway their opinions of what they might tell
investigators after this and mistigation began when Comes was well
aware it was underway. Judge to harmony and also referenced
Mark Agmophillo's own closing arguments. You full throw the feed
told the jury that there was violence, domestic violence in
all of Come's relationships. Y'all own that, and it may
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have helped on some of these charges. It may have
helped with the guilty not guilty verdict, but it is
definitely coming back to bite him now.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Straight out to Lynn Shaw. This also happened in the proceedings.
This is after Comes tried to raise his hand to
address the judge directly during the arguments, And this is
after the split verdict when everybody was celebrating outside. Now
comes the appeal bond, where the judge is going to
decide will Comes walk free tonight?
Speaker 12 (37:51):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (37:52):
The judge looks over.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
At the defense and he says as Sidney just reported.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Quote you full throatedly. I've never even heard anybody use
that phrase, but he did.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
You full throatedly in your closing argument told the jury
there was violence and domestic violence is violence. You said
this was the case that did have violence. This is
the judge talking to Combs as to the basic question
of violence.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
You conceded that in your closing argument.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Now throughout this comes is furiously passing notes back and
forth to Agnifilo, who is trying to stand there and
argue and read Ola. Shawn comes his notes. Wait for it,
Lynn Shaw. Agnifilo responds, I.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Just think we should trust him. He's not gonna flee.
He just deserves a chance.
Speaker 7 (38:52):
Lynn, Please let us all get off this dirty diddy,
degenerate merry gourround that we're all on. How dare that lawyer?
How dare he? He's got a wife, he's got a daughter.
I believe he's got sisters, a mother, talk like this
violence is violence?
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Trust him.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
We have seen everything to the.
Speaker 7 (39:11):
Contrary, including video evidence of Cassie being beaten. How much more.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Do we need?
Speaker 7 (39:18):
This goes back to this is one of the worst
days here at the Warriors to have all of this
video to hear the way they're talking about victims, trust him,
trust him. There's no way anybody should trust him. I'm
here in New York City and Rob Shooter's correct. We've
got these dirty Diddy disciples running around. People should be
in fear of this guy. But that brings me to
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how does he get away with all of this for decades?
What about the victims that I've been up for forty
eight hours now, counseling, helping, giving out phone numbers, resources,
Come stay with me if you don't want to be alone.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
What a slap in.
Speaker 7 (39:53):
The face today to all of these victims, survivors of
any kind of sexual abuse. And you know what, this
is the problem with sex trafficking. Nobody I'm a broken record.
Nobody understands it. Nobody understands what forced for coersion. Nobody
understands coersion. And you know what, it is time we
change it up. But this is a travesty. What a
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slap in everybody's face.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Sean Comes goes to jail, split verdict, not guilty on Rico,
not guilty on two counts of sex trafficking, guilty on
two counts of bringing people across state lines. To engage
in illegal activity, that being prostitution, as it relates to
Cassie Ventura a victim, and Jane not her real name,
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a victim. To Robert Crispin joining me PI but former
beat coop, former special investigator with the Federal Task Force
for the US Department of Justice, and on and on,
Robert Crispin, have you ever been in a case where
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the bad guy walks?
Speaker 10 (41:03):
Oh, my god, Nancy, this brought back. This brought back
such a memory of a guy who was leaning over
the balcony holding two kilos of cocaine in a CBS bag,
getting ready to drop it on the floor because the
Feds were knocking on the front door, and I was
covering the back door, and he dropped it and I
got it, and I idt him, and we went to
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the jury and the jury found him not guilty when me,
as the Federal DEA Drug agent, watched him drop that bag.
And you know why, Nancy, because juries are so unpredictable.
You know why, we didn't pull his DNA off the bag.
But I watched him. I watched him drop those kilos
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of cocaine out of the ground. These juries have a
mind of their own.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
I know how that must have felt shame. And the
thing is this is a violent.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Crime, Philip debay from what the judge was saying. When
Shawn Comes raise his hand trying to speak to the
judge while Agniffilo was arguing, the judge acting like he
didn't even see him. The judge did note the wide
divergence between what the state wants a sentencing and what
the defense wants is sentencing, But hearing what the judge said,
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the judge can't just erase from his mind what he
saw on the Cassie beat down video. He cannot erase
from his mind what the victim said on the stand.
According to these stringent rules, Comes will be prohibited from
drug use. Well wait a minute, aren't we all prohibited
from illegal drug use?
Speaker 1 (42:36):
How is that a stringent rule?
Speaker 2 (42:39):
And speaking of drugs, many of the women in the
civil complaints claimed they were drugged before being stripped and
video taking part in free cough as they call them videos,
I call it rape, okay, speaking of putting the cart
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before the horse, Sean Comes.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Is still behind bars, isn't he?
Speaker 2 (43:04):
I mean, didn't he get a whopper thirty six months?
Thanks judge for that rape victims all over the world
now hiding under their beds. Thanks to you, Judge, we
wait as just as sudden faults.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Goodbye f
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
In the last days, we understand that Sean didd He
Combs is to be under strict rules once released from prison.
Wait a minute, released from prison. He hasn't served his
Measley thirty six months yet, and we're already talking about release.
Isn't that putting the cart before the horse hold on
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Nelly strict rules?
Speaker 1 (00:30):
My rear end.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. I'm want to
thank you for being with us. Why are we already
talking about rules for release? Combs hasn't done a fraction
of his mega thirty six months behind bars, after all
the things the judge heard that he did to women,
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and he's doing thirty six months. I'm still reeling over that.
But now his quote rules quote as if he ever
lived according to rules they're called quote stringent restrictions, Well
that's total bs. For instance, he will have to report
to his probation officer quote as instructed. When when he's
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got to go to the probation department, that's nothing. He'll
probably have a driver drop him off in front, go
in charm the probation officer and then leave. Maybe he'll
slip him a couple hundred dollars. Remember how he bribed
the hotel employees to quash the video of him beating
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Cassie Venturo senseless Anyway, here's the second quote, stringent rule.
His probation officer will be allowed to drop in any time. Okay,
whatever you do, don't have a drink when you're their
probation officer, or you may end up butt naked, getting
videoed having sex and wake up with your rear end
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herding like many of the victims claim happened to them. Okay,
you know what. This is what we know happened. After
a split verdict where Shawn Combs is acquitted of rico,
two other accounts come into play.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Shawn Comb's convicted on two felony counts.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
There was a massive argument via paper to keep Shawn
Combs behind bars, the defense fighting tooth and nail to
let him out on appeal bond, which means you get
out while your conviction is being appealed. Joining me right now,
Tisa Tales. You can find her on YouTube at Tisa Tales.
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Tisa start at the beginning, Start with the verdict, the split.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
What happened when the jury walked in, everybody was on
pins and needles.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Everybody in the courtroom expected him to be guilty on
at least the sex trafficking. There was a somber tone
they walked in and when they said please read, and
they said, what do you find ye on count one?
Not guilty? It was a bomb that went off in
the courtroom. The public audibly gassed. Nobody was expecting that.
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There were tears of joy from Ditty's side. Count two,
what say ye not guilty?
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Again?
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Another bombshell went off. People were in utter disbelief. Any
even Ditty's most ardent supporters, did not expect him to
get off on the count of sex trafficking with Cassie.
Count three when they said guilty for transportation of a prostitute,
When they said guilty for the man a, that is
when Didy's team actually cheered, yeah, that's all right, okay, okay,
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come on, almost like you were watching a pro football game.
When the other ones came in after that, there were
jaws on the ground.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
It was unbelievable. People were looking at the jury, searching.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
And to how they can get a verdict in this
day and age.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
They heard Cassie's mother the twenty thousand.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
They heard Capricorn Clark, they heard about the savage beatings,
and it was unbelievable that the only thing they said
was prostitution.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
And that is because Daniel.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Phillips in his testimony actually said, at least I'm guessing
that it was because that he got paid to have
sex for money. It was a travesty. It was an
all out circus. Everybody, including myself, are running to safety.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I got a question for your teas of tails, and
everyone's going to want to know this. You're in a
car right now. You had to leave the courthouse.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Why I had to leave the courthouse because Diddy's supporters
were out of control. The first time I ran in
did my live. Of course, I had two armed security guys.
Everyone told me the people in the courthouse is like,
make sure you have security.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
There's a lot of weird stuff going on.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
It wasn't just me, but I'll tell you what I experienced.
Diddy supporter is surrounding me, threatening me, saying that they
were going to hurt me. It was a serious situation.
It got so bad and there was so much chalos
of chaos and violence that they actually had to lock
the courtroom down and force the Diddy supporters across the street.
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It was something myself, the news media, mainstream media, new
media have never seen in their lives the level.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
And again the jurors, I hope to.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
God they know how to sleep at night, because again
I'm sure they did their duty. But when all that
chast was happening, as I was being threatened and ushered
out by armed security people, I thought, this is what
the jury did.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
They sent a signal that it is okay to.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Use violence, It's okay to drug people up, it's okay
to live a life of debauchery, It's okay to do
whatever you want. Because guess what if you work hard enough,
and you have enough money and.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Enough delusional fans, and.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
You have engrained yourself in culture enough that you can
do whatever you want, and twelve of your peers will
look the other way.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Again, this jury was shocking.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Taste of teals.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
When you say that Shawncom's supporters threatened you, what were
they saying?
Speaker 4 (06:31):
They were saying, you B, you f and B. We're
going to kill you, you f and B. You've worked apparently.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
I work for the fence. You're a plant. You make
this all up because of you. Again, they're not too
smart because of you. That's how this case got started.
We're gonna treat you worse than we treated Cassie. Cassie,
what we do to you, it's gonna be nothing that
they had on Cassie.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
They were screaming, they were yelling.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Some people were saying, apologize the Diddy, apologize the Ditty.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Of course, thank goodness.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
We had Lenny and we had Jimmy, two of the
best arm guards out there.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
So the one thing is they and also they started foaming.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Like wild dogs because they realized that I was not
an unprotected woman, and they realized they could not just
do what they felt like. And they started foaming like
wild dogs, screaming, their voices cracking in anger that they
ricially wanted to rip me apart.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
This is why their hero had been exonerated.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Even in the best of times, these people that support him,
there's something wrong with it. And I gotta tell you, Nancy,
it wasn't just me.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
It was not just me.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
It was anybody that didn't have a pro Diddy stamp
from the beginning.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
That's who suffered.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Joining me an all star panel that I want to
thank Tisa tales for what she's doing tonight.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
You know, Rob Sheeter is joining me. Rob, I really
don't know where to start. This is a blow.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
This is a huge blow to crime victims all over
the country. Huge blow. The big news is right now,
Sean Combs is going to jail. Okay, He's going to jail.
I was actually worried that somehow the judge would contriveting
the law. And the law is under the Bill Reform
Act that for these two charges on which he was convicted,
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he has to go to jail.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
There is no appeal bond period.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
But I was so concerned that the judge would somehow
find a way to let him walk. And all this time, Shooter,
we've been hearing. I've got all these letters here. Here's
one from Deontay Nash in fear, in fear talking about Combs,
this long, well documented history of violent retaliatory behavior.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
They're afraid.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Rob'shoter, guys, Shooter knows comes better than any of us.
His longtime publicists know more. But now you can find
him at his substack robshooter dot substack dot com and
noney but nice podcast.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Shooter.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
I got to tell you, it was like a kick
in the stomach when that split verdict came down.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
Yeah, I think everybody was done before. Before I continue, then, Nancy,
I just want to send my best to Tisha. What
happened to her outside that courthouse is horrific. It is wrong,
and I'm afraid these people now have been emboldened. When
we heard the judgment.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
I think we were all shell shocked, we were all heartbroken,
we all felt like we'd been kicked in the stomach. However,
as the day has gone on, we do have to
remember Nanty that he has been found guilty of two
very serious charges. If any other celebrity had been charged
with those two charges, those alone and being found guilty,
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we would be done with them. So the celebration from
Team Diddy, the disappointment from people who've been watching this
as closely as we have, I think we can take
a step back both sides and realize that this is
not a good day for d Day. He is now
a federal criminal, is in jail tonight, He's going to
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remain there, and so at least take some solace in that.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
You know, Rob Shooter, I've been getting flooded by crime victims,
rape victims from all walks of life that are upset.
They don't really sound mad, yet they're devastated, They're sad.
They can't believe this has happened. I've been already subjected
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to a lot of attacks, verbal attacks, and I think,
like what Tisa tells, has been subjected to already. But
I give the credit to the prosecutors for going in there.
And I truly believe this was a David and Goliath
and they went in against one of the highest profile
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personalities in our country, Sean Comes, who many people think
that they know and they love him, and for some reason,
that blinded them, that drowned out everything that three sex
attack victims said.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
And one had the video? What had the video? I
just I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Rob Shooter, give me some insight and to how Sean
Comes got a split vert. But yes, you're right, he
is going to jail on two felonies, two felonies.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
That's a victory that Seawan Comes is going to jail.
Speaker 6 (11:42):
Yeah, that's a victory.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
We have to hadn't gone for that, Nancaid, because in
this moment, in this hour, there's not a lot of hope.
Speaker 6 (11:48):
Everything seems so bad.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
We have let down, not just the people in this case,
but victings around the world. Didd now will be empowered.
This is not the end of the story, Nancy. When
he gets out of jail, if he gets out of jail,
his behavior will not change because he thinks he has
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gotten away with it.
Speaker 6 (12:12):
Again. If you enable.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
Someone, Nancy, they do not change. So mark my words, Nancy,
this is not the end of the Diddy story.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
It's the end of a very, very sad chapter. And
I think we've let a lot of people down.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
And as far as being concerned about safety, I just
broke reporting that Cassie has now increased her security. Cassie
in New York, her home now has security increased.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
And I think a lot of other people, courageous people.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
Who came forward assistance, people that worked with Diddy came
forward and testified they're very vulnerable and they are very,
very scared right now.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Linn Shaw joining me, founder and director Linn's Warriors, dedicated
to ending sex trafficking and sex abuse on girls and women.
When I learned about the split verdict, I was speechless.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
I couldn't believe it. But it's happened.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
So what do you want the prosecutors to do? Go
home and hide under the bed. Should they had just
never even brought the case. They did it because they
believed it, and I still do believe it. Lynn, I
believe Cassie vent Tira was coerced and beaten into having
sex with male sex workers.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
That sex trafficking. I believe her.
Speaker 7 (13:31):
I believe Cassie. I believe Jane. I believe sex trafficking.
This is a sober reflection on everything I've been talking
about for about eight weeks now with this trial that
the public and I'm going to say the jurors, okay,
do not understand predation, power, what sex trafficking is. And
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a reminder again, this case was not just about one man.
This case was about all of the victory across the
country the world whose voices have been silenced because they
don't come forward because the justice system usually picks power, wealth,
status over believing their truths.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
But I want to point.
Speaker 7 (14:13):
Out there is hope. I've spent all day coaching people,
talking people, fielding text messages, and I want to say,
you know what, these victims that reach out to me, Nancy,
they're not even angry, you know what they keep saying.
Please Lynn, please remind everybody we're victims. Please remind everybody
we have a voice. Please remind everybody we are here.
And that goes back to I have to do. We
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have to do in society a better job of educating
about sex, trafficking, about trauma, bonding, trauma, what predation really
looks like. This is the most frightening thing to empower
this Sean Colms and I just want to make the
commitment that we will work very hard to continue reforming,
raising awareness and working with the justice system.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Straight back out to Tasa Tales, who has made it
to a safe location, taste the Tales.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I want to talk.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
About what happened when the split verdict was announced in
the courtroom, and then I want to move to the
appeal bond hearing. Let's start with the split verdict. Take
it from the very beginning.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
When you heard count one not guilty, A bomb went
off in the courtroom. Not guilty. No one could believe it,
Song did. He's calm side even looked around as if
they hadn't heard correctly. No one thought that the jury
would actually.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Go this far.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Everybody thought that the delay meant that he was actually guilty.
When the second count was read, again, jaws dropped open
did he leaned back in relief.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Raised his hands. The defence team was like, yes, I
get it. They literally pulled a magic act. Okay, they
literally pulled a magic act.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
His team, his side start sarted, celebrating, started saying yeah.
When we heard the third count, guilty for the prostitution, okay.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Everyone on his.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Side it was like, that's okay, that's okay. They were clapping,
almost like they were watching a football game. When they
first came out with the verdict. The prosecution was doing
what they were doing. They were looking straight. It's a job,
I would assume, to look like they always have it
under control.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
By the time they got.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
To the third count, Marine called me, looked over at
the jury and disbelief.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Literally again, she's always.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Very composed, but even for her to finally look over
at the jury on some are you kidding me? And
she just kept looking at the jury as they read
the counts. Again, I know the jury did their best,
but I cannot feel that justice was served. How can
you forget the vicious beatings. How can you forget the
twenty k the mom had to wire and order four
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two freak off tastes not to be released.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Okay, that's what she thought when she wired it.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Can you forget what happened to Bonna being hung over balcony?
Speaker 4 (17:03):
She might have got the date wrong by a few
days days, but the point is it happened.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
How you can get forget Deontay Nash and the best
friend Carrie.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Who got a hangar to the head and.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Saw Cassie get impiled, driven into the corner of a
bed on purpose.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
How can you forget all that and.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Come back and say, you know what, we don't see
anything criminal here again. We can argue about the prosecution, prostitution,
got ditty on the head, We can argue about the
prosecution what they could have did better, But the fact
that the jury chose to overlook all that. It brought
me back to what Rob Shooter said weeks ago when
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I first started joining you, Nacy, that people get starstrucked
and they want some of that magic. And it makes
me wonder were they starstruck? Were they feeling sorry and
trying to protect a legacy for someone that hit their
depravity and their evil ways behind it.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
It makes you want dirty.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Sean didd He comes to be under quote stringent restrictions
when he finishes his thirty six months behind bars that
tasted like a dirt sandwich. Why just thirty six months
is fifty months minus time served, which is fourteen months,
which equals thirty six months. For instance, one of the
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stringent rules is he must submit to a search of
himself and his property.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Okay for a guy that's stripped.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Down repeatedly wearing nothing but a burka in the sex videos,
I doubt he's gonna mind that at all. Joining Men,
All Star panel back to Tisa tells Joining Us she
had to be escorted by armed guards out of the
courthouse and leave the scene after she was mobbed by
ditty fans. Explain to me what was happening outside the courthouse.
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I understand that once the split verdict was announced, the
Diddy followers, the Diddy worshippers, went cray outside the courthouse,
actually dousing each other with baby oil and chanting.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
They farmed the circle. It looked like a mush pit
of depravity. They were spraying baby oil on each other,
jumping around feeling fantastic. One woman and a pair of
Calvin Klein breasts and agra started jumping up and down, wiggling.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Why they sat.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
There spraying baby on her, and the crowd was channing
yay yay, yay go.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
And hyping them up. It was a monstrous bowl of
the party depravity.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
When I say, I was sickened, When I say, I
sh shook my head. And when I said, these are
the peers, these are the jury of the peers. And
it makes me wonder as a jury goes home and
they look at the television sets and they see what
their decision costs and what was on the line, it
makes me wonder.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
How can they sleep at night? It was absolute pandemonial.
Speaker 8 (20:15):
In between the jumping up and down with the baby
oil woman willingly baby oil being squirted on them, and
everybody laughing and having a time like Christmas had just
come with Santa and the troll perverted els.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
What happened after that was even more amazing because.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
While that was going on, there were little fires everywhere
of these bands of I don't know if they're in cels,
if they're idiots, what was going on looking for anybody
they had ever saw make anti Ditty contest, and by
anti Diddy, according to thelm it is pro justice. They
were going out their ways to make sure that everybody paid.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
And again I said, this is what that jury cost says.
Let us know. It's sent a message.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
It's okay to be depraved, it's okay to beat women,
it's okay to do drugs, it's okay to do whatever
you want. And that jury, that jury, when they gave
the verdict, signals that. Again, I'm still coming to terms
with how the jury got to this. Thank God, this
man was denied bail.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Thank God.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Straight out to send me some re joining US Crime Stories,
investigative reporter on the case from the very beginning, break
down the counts for me, said.
Speaker 9 (21:26):
Nancy, how one is that racketeering, rico conspiracy. Combs was
found not guilty on count one. Count two, three, four,
and five are those sex trafficking and transportation to engage
in prostitution charges. So there was one count each for
Cassie and Jane on both of those charges. So the
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jury found that Combs was liable for both transportation to
engage in prostitution charges and not guilty on sex trafficking
for either Jane or Cassie.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Straight out to Philip Debate, joining US veteran trial lawyer,
joining US out of the La jurisdiction, So debate. This
is the breakdown. Count one racketeering not guilty. Count two
sex trafficking by force, fraud or coercion as it relates
to Cassie Ventira, you know the woman that was beaten
in that video and dragged back to a freak off
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her the one that had to get plastic surgery on
her face after did he beat her up?
Speaker 1 (22:25):
That one that's a not guilty.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Count three transportation to engage in prostitution as it relates
to Cassie. Guilty that carries a maximum of ten years.
And that comes, i believe from the sex worker who
came in Philip and described Sean Combs wearing a burka
from the chin up and naked from the chin down
and had him have sex with Cassie on video and
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directed them that was across state lines. So guilty on
that count for sex trafficking by force, fraud, coercion as
it relates to Jane victim.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Two not guilty.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Count five transportation to engage in prostitution as it relates
to Jane.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Guilty.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
So we got two guilties, three not guilties, split verdict.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
So there was great jubilation at first. When did he
followers heard.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Split They heard the words not guilty on count one
and went crazy. What do you think is going to
happen now, Philip?
Speaker 6 (23:33):
He will be getting in prison time, There's no question.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Right, another thing debate. Let's get real.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
It's really rare in federal and state court that once
you're convicted and a jury convicts.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
You on a violent offence, that you.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Get an appeal bond, which means, okay, Joe, I know
he just got convicted, but could you please let him
walk free now until we take this all the way
up up to the appellate court and get a decision
that rarely works.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Agree, disagree?
Speaker 6 (24:06):
Oh, I agree one hundred percent. No higher court is
going to find that this judge abused his discretion by
not letting him out or by not setting a bond.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
You know. Robert Crispin joining me, private investigator at Crispin
Special Investigations, former homicide and former vice detective Crispin. Here's
the deal. If the judge had granted Shawn Combs a
bond and appeal bond. Now remember once he was arrested, Crispin,
he was kept behind bars. He did not have a
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bond right for a reason. He's got money, and he
squats right over by Teeterborough, the private airport near New York.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
You know, if the judge had given Shawn Combs an appeal.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Bond, he goes straight to Teeborough and take off, probably
under an assumed name.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
When you fly a private plane, you can give a
fake ID.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Just it's not the same as going through TSA at
Hartsville International or LaGuardia or jfk No, where they will
frisk you and look in all your bags.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
It's not like that. At a private plane.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
You kind of just walk on onto your private plane
that he has, have a glass of champagne and.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Go bye bye us, Hello Paris. That's what happens, Crispin.
Speaker 10 (25:24):
Yeah. Actually, earlier, just before we came on Nancy, I
was trying to find out where his G five to
fifty was, because we know that it was out in
La a couple of days ago. I was trying to
see if they had already got those guys up and
running and that plane was coming eastbound, thinking he was
going to probably get out and dip out back out
to La or back down here to Miami to where
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his neighbors aren't certainly thrilled about him coming back, but
doesn't look like anytime soon he's going to be gracing
his presence with these guys. So I was trying to
find out where that jet was that I haven't found
out yet. But the verdict is just it's harp or king.
It's a black eye to the victims. It's terrible, horrible
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for any of these victims that want to come forward,
or any witness that wants to put their ass on
the line, raise your right hand and testify against somebody.
When a jury's going to find that guy not guilty,
that's really bad for these witnesses and victims. They know
what's coming.
Speaker 9 (26:21):
Now.
Speaker 10 (26:21):
Look what's happened to our reporter As she was leaving
the courthouse, they were attacking her. This guy was found
guilty of federal parts.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
And I'd like to point out Rob Sheater what they
were saying to Tisa Hills.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Rob.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
They were saying, we're gonna do worse to you than
we did to Cassie Sheter. I mean, Diddy has to
be condoning this. He has been orchestrating the crowd. He's
been orchestrating everything.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Yeah, Nancy, I think looking for Diddy to do the
right thing at this moment is unrealistic.
Speaker 6 (26:53):
This is who he is. The whole world to see
who he is.
Speaker 5 (26:56):
And unfortunately there's a large amount of people out there
who are just perfectly fine with this. Nobody can pretend
anymore that we don't know who did he is. We
know we've seen him on tape. That tape will exist forever.
We've heard the testimonies, we've heard the accounts, we've heard
the details, we've seen them, and yet some people still
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support him. There's nothing we can do about that, Nancy.
And to think that Diddy is going to stop it,
that ain't going to happen.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
He's going to encourage it.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
He wants people out there, he wants the violence, he
wants people screaming. This to him is the party that
he always wanted to throw shape.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
You know, Rob Shooter, everything you're saying can be transposed
to him before he was arrested. You know, in every case,
I've told you this before off air. I've seen a
million homicide scenes. I've been to the Morgue, I've seen
it all. But there's always a moment in a trial
that just twists the knife very disturbing. And in this trial,
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there were two moments like that for me.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
And one was.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
In the Hotel Intercontinental video beat down where she had
already been beaten and she was backing up and she
tried to hold up She's right handed was holding holding
her mouth I think, with one hand, the right hand
and holding up her left hand against Sean Comb's like
she could fight him off, okay. And the the other
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moment was when she was getting beaten and she was
down on the floor and Combs had a.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Glass, a liquor glass held.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Up ready to throw down at her face, and she said,
can't you see what's happening?
Speaker 1 (28:52):
And nobody did anything.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
It's just like in the courtroom, the jury didn't do
any They didn't.
Speaker 6 (29:02):
They didn't, Nancy. It's heartbreaking. People I know who.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
Have worked with him, who knew him, many of us
are on a text exchange and they're heartbroken, and a
lot of people are really worried to I don't want
to keep hopping on about this, Nancy, but this is
a very dangerous man. This is a man who allegedly
try to fire bomb the car of somebody that was
dating his.
Speaker 6 (29:26):
Girlfriend, his ex girlfriend this is a.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Dangerous, dangerous man, and what that jury has just done
has said it doesn't matter.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
It's okay.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
You keep being puffy, you keep being you, and we
will support you. But let me just say, Nancy, we
can't just blame the jury here. We've got to blame
the person that did it. And that's did he did.
He is responsible for all this. Everything else is a
red herring. He's the problem and he will continue now
to be a problem.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Doctor Cheryl Eric, who is a clinical and forensics psychologist,
explain the effect this is going to have on not
only these victims that we heard on the stand, but
other victims everywhere.
Speaker 11 (30:07):
Nancy, Once there is the threat of violence, that power
control tactic shapes everything that happens after that. We have
a jury who heard evidence about a tremendous amount of violence, threats,
threats of blackmail, videotaped assaults that were maintaining the power
and control, and yet they didn't feel that they had
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enough evidence to be able to find that what was
happening there was not consensual. Trafficking has to do with force, fraud, coercion.
Consent is anything, but when somebody really scary makes you
an offer, that you cannot refuse that is not consent.
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And what I think people are failing to understand about
the way that the even the threat of violence shapes
behavior is that when someone does not believe that they
can survive a threat by actually fighting back, they use fawning,
They use appeasing, they use the freeze response. They are
trying to placate the person who is scaring them. And
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this man certainly has no shortage of people who were really,
really frightened of him and still are.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
And I think that.
Speaker 11 (31:18):
These really normal autonomic nervous system survival responses, fawning, appeasing,
the freeze response, These are things that need to be
understood better by juries, understood better by the public, and
even by survivors themselves.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
You know, Rob Shooter.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Would you look one more time at these celebrations going
on outside the courthouse after the split verdict was announced.
Speaker 12 (31:46):
Take a look, thoughts, Nanci.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
I can tell you, as somebody who knows puff those
people standing outside that courts have never met him. They've
never been to his apartment, they've never been on his
private plane. They've never had a text or an email
or a phone call with him. I have he doesn't
care about any of those people, all those people who
have took their time, their energy to go and support
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this guy. Let me talk to them directly. He does
not care about you. If he can treat his girlfriend
Cassie the way that we've seen him treat it on video,
this is not testimony, this is video.
Speaker 6 (32:35):
If he can treat.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
Someone who he's supposed to love like that, how do
you think he can treat you. He doesn't care about you.
You're wasting your energy on him, And honestly, my friends, stop,
he doesn't care. He's laughing at these people outside that
court has he's egging them on, but he doesn't care.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
You know, Rob Sheeter, You speak with so much conviction
and so much feeling, and that tells me that you
know something something.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
You haven't told me. Why do you believe this?
Speaker 2 (33:10):
What did you observe to make you say what you
just said.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
I've observed a really selfish person, Nancy. I've observed a
person who doesn't have any shame, who has no sense
of pride, who has no sense of decency. He's a
really bad man, and through his career, through the media,
through his products, he has managed to come us all
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to kid us all into believing he is somebody else. Now,
I hoped that day was coming to an end. In fact,
I could even tell you the day that I thought
it was ending. It was today. I'm absolutely punched to
my gut, to my stomach to know that Puffy once
again rises. Maybe not like a phoenix, but justice does
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not feel as if it has been sod shooter.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Do you know that people aren't flooding the courthouse the
judges chambers with letters please don't let him out.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
We're afraid.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
From Cassie Ventura's lawyer to Deonte Nash, so many others
in fear, just like what you're saying. And we heard
earlier how this affects people. They saw what happened to
kid Cuddy, they saw what happened to Cassie, and now he's.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Going to walk crime stories with Nancy Grace. Another stringent
rule set down by the judge comes.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
We'll have to live in a home approved by the
probation officer.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Okay, what a mansion suffice? I bet it does.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Speaking of the mansion, a man is where many of
the so called free coughs occurred. But what went on
behind those mansioned walls? Was pure hell according to many
of the victims, after the split verdict, when everyone or
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I sprang each other with baby oil outside the courthouse.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
And baying and yelling and.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Celebrating, Comes goes back into the courtroom Sidney for the hearing.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Right the hearing on is there going to be an appeal? Bond?
Speaker 9 (35:34):
Is?
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Comes going to walk out of the courthouse a freeman today.
During that hearing, Comes briefly tries to raise his hand
to speak after the judge denies his request for release again.
The judge seemed to ignore the move and instead asks
the US Assistant Attorney Marine Comy to respond, and she says, quote,
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he is extremely violent with an extraordinary temper, who has
shown no remorse and no regret. And it makes me think, Sinney,
about that fake apology. I'm going to keep that up
and play it for you in just a moment, said
where he does all this apologizing after beating Cassie, But
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according to what we learned in court and sworn testimony,
he continued the violence after the apology video. That's what
she said, no remorse and no regret at all.
Speaker 9 (36:34):
Yeah, that is definitely what the judge and prosecutors are thinking.
Comy referenced the violent incident with Jane after Colmes knew
he was already under investigation. The judge referenced the multiple
instances of Colme's trying to reach out to potential witnesses,
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trying to sway their opinions of what they might tell
investigators after this and mistigation began when Comes was well
aware it was underway. Judge to harmony and also referenced
Mark Agmophillo's own closing arguments. You full throw the feed
told the jury that there was violence, domestic violence in
all of Come's relationships. Y'all own that, and it may
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have helped on some of these charges. It may have
helped with the guilty not guilty verdict, but it is
definitely coming back to bite him now.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Straight out to Lynn Shaw. This also happened in the proceedings.
This is after Comes tried to raise his hand to
address the judge directly during the arguments, And this is
after the split verdict when everybody was celebrating outside. Now
comes the appeal bond, where the judge is going to
decide will Comes walk free tonight?
Speaker 12 (37:51):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (37:52):
The judge looks over.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
At the defense and he says as Sidney just reported.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Quote you full throatedly. I've never even heard anybody use
that phrase, but he did.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
You full throatedly in your closing argument told the jury
there was violence and domestic violence is violence. You said
this was the case that did have violence. This is
the judge talking to Combs as to the basic question
of violence.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
You conceded that in your closing argument.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Now throughout this comes is furiously passing notes back and
forth to Agnifilo, who is trying to stand there and
argue and read Ola. Shawn comes his notes. Wait for it,
Lynn Shaw. Agnifilo responds, I.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Just think we should trust him. He's not gonna flee.
He just deserves a chance.
Speaker 7 (38:52):
Lynn, Please let us all get off this dirty diddy,
degenerate merry gourround that we're all on. How dare that lawyer?
How dare he? He's got a wife, he's got a daughter.
I believe he's got sisters, a mother, talk like this
violence is violence?
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Trust him.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
We have seen everything to the.
Speaker 7 (39:11):
Contrary, including video evidence of Cassie being beaten. How much more.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Do we need?
Speaker 7 (39:18):
This goes back to this is one of the worst
days here at the Warriors to have all of this
video to hear the way they're talking about victims, trust him,
trust him. There's no way anybody should trust him. I'm
here in New York City and Rob Shooter's correct. We've
got these dirty Diddy disciples running around. People should be
in fear of this guy. But that brings me to
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how does he get away with all of this for decades?
What about the victims that I've been up for forty
eight hours now, counseling, helping, giving out phone numbers, resources,
Come stay with me if you don't want to be alone.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
What a slap in.
Speaker 7 (39:53):
The face today to all of these victims, survivors of
any kind of sexual abuse. And you know what, this
is the problem with sex trafficking. Nobody I'm a broken record.
Nobody understands it. Nobody understands what forced for coersion. Nobody
understands coersion. And you know what, it is time we
change it up. But this is a travesty. What a
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slap in everybody's face.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Sean Comes goes to jail, split verdict, not guilty on Rico,
not guilty on two counts of sex trafficking, guilty on
two counts of bringing people across state lines. To engage
in illegal activity, that being prostitution, as it relates to
Cassie Ventura a victim, and Jane not her real name,
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a victim. To Robert Crispin joining me PI but former
beat coop, former special investigator with the Federal Task Force
for the US Department of Justice, and on and on,
Robert Crispin, have you ever been in a case where
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the bad guy walks?
Speaker 10 (41:03):
Oh, my god, Nancy, this brought back. This brought back
such a memory of a guy who was leaning over
the balcony holding two kilos of cocaine in a CBS bag,
getting ready to drop it on the floor because the
Feds were knocking on the front door, and I was
covering the back door, and he dropped it and I
got it, and I idt him, and we went to
(41:23):
the jury and the jury found him not guilty when me,
as the Federal DEA Drug agent, watched him drop that bag.
And you know why, Nancy, because juries are so unpredictable.
You know why, we didn't pull his DNA off the bag.
But I watched him. I watched him drop those kilos
(41:44):
of cocaine out of the ground. These juries have a
mind of their own.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
I know how that must have felt shame. And the
thing is this is a violent.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Crime, Philip debay from what the judge was saying. When
Shawn Comes raise his hand trying to speak to the
judge while Agniffilo was arguing, the judge acting like he
didn't even see him. The judge did note the wide
divergence between what the state wants a sentencing and what
the defense wants is sentencing, But hearing what the judge said,
(42:16):
the judge can't just erase from his mind what he
saw on the Cassie beat down video. He cannot erase
from his mind what the victim said on the stand.
According to these stringent rules, Comes will be prohibited from
drug use. Well wait a minute, aren't we all prohibited
from illegal drug use?
Speaker 1 (42:36):
How is that a stringent rule?
Speaker 2 (42:39):
And speaking of drugs, many of the women in the
civil complaints claimed they were drugged before being stripped and
video taking part in free cough as they call them videos,
I call it rape, okay, speaking of putting the cart
(43:00):
before the horse, Sean Comes.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Is still behind bars, isn't he?
Speaker 2 (43:04):
I mean, didn't he get a whopper thirty six months?
Thanks judge for that rape victims all over the world
now hiding under their beds. Thanks to you, Judge, we
wait as just as sudden faults.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Goodbye f
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