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May 22, 2018 53 mins

Detectives have a long list of "persons of interest" in the fatal ambush attack on a gorgeous Pennsylvania school teacher. Rachel DelTondo was standing in her mom's driveway when she was gunned down on Mother's Day. Nancy Grace updates this complex mystery with lawyer and psychologist Dr. Brian Russell, Southern California prosecutor Wendy Patrick, Atlanta juvenile judge and lawyer Ashley Willcott, and reporter Larry Meagher. Reporter John Lemley joins Grace to discuss an Oklahoma woman who allegedly tried to kill her daughters, including one who was stabbed dozens of times. Taheerah Ahmad, 39, reportedly said she was angry over how the girls looked at her.

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M Triumph Channel one thirty two. A gorgeous and brunette

(01:05):
teacher gunned down in the family driveway. Wow. This sleepy
community of al equippa high scale bedroom community outside a
larger city, is reeling seemingly. She had just stepped out
of the car coming home from an ice cream parlor

(01:26):
with friends on a Sunday night, and she is blown
away in the driveway. No um theft, no sex attack,
no provocation, no carjacking, nothing, shot at least ten times
in the chest. Sounds like someone was waiting for her

(01:48):
to step to set foot out of that car before
she's gunned down. Now, the intrigue surrounding at ten thousand
dollar wedding dress, the ride jilted literally as she is
heading towards the altar just before the wedding, and now
claims of local government cover up. This case is blowing up.

(02:14):
But nothing, nothing can get us away from the fact
that Rachel Deltando is found in a pool of blood
in her driveway, her mom and dad running out to
find their daughter dead. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories,
Thank you for being with us. The al Equippa Police
Department in Pennsylvania has just applied for a second search

(02:34):
want for eighteen student Sheldon Jeter Jr. What does that
have to do with anything? Joining me right now? Crime
Stories investigative reporter Larry Mayher, Karen Smith, forensics expert Wendy
Patrick's Southern California prosecutor, the host of the Hit Investigation

(02:55):
Discoveries series Fatal Vows. Dr Brian Russell Shley Wilcot, juvenile judge,
lawyer and founder of child crime watch dot com. Straight
to you, Larry Mayor, Let's just start at the beginning,
because so much is happening in this case. It's it's
too much to take in. And start at the beginning

(03:15):
with her being gunned down, and we'll work our way
toward now a police officer being taken off the case,
not just off the case, off the force because of
this investigation. Start at the beginning, Larry. Let's start with
Rachel Deltondo going to an ice cream parlor. She was

(03:35):
accompanied by two people, one of whom is the daughter
of a police sergeant in the local police force. The
other we'll get to him in just a moment. They
went to this ice cream parlor, then returned to Rachel
Deltondo's mother's home as she got out of the Wait wait, wait, wait, wait, Larry,
nobody likes mystery. Okay, we we need all the pieces

(03:57):
of the puzzle so we can fit this thing together.
So hold on, buddy number one. It's Rachel, who's absolutely gorgeous.
I'm just gold. Throw that in and I can see
her in that wedding dress right now, Ashley Willcott, I Um,
we decided on Tuesday to get married on Saturday. That's
how that went down. I ordered one wedding dress in

(04:18):
two different sizes over the internet, okay, and we did
it all right. Now, it was nothing like this, Ashley,
where sheep had a custom made wedding dress. They went,
they get they said, a big Italian wedding right and all,
I'll put out all the stops, ten thousand dollar wedding dress.

(04:39):
And it was gorgeous and she's gorgeous, and then the
gram jilted her. Broke up, Ashley, what about that ten
thousand dollar wedding dress? Ten thousand dollars? So, like you said,
number one, it's not only the cost, but it's custom right.
How many people do we know? I spent less than
that on my wedding, my reception, the whole shebang. Most
people spend less than that on every thing to get married.

(05:01):
That is such a decadent, extravagant, extreme cost for a
dress to most of us. Now, hold on, hold on, Missy,
the mom and dad wanted this for her, okay, and
they put down five thousand dollars go into I guess
they went into New York City to get a custom made,

(05:22):
then the groom backs out of the whole thing, breaks
off the engagement, and she's fine. You know what. Hold on,
Larry may Or, you may not understand the significance of
us talking about a ten dollar wedding dress. Let's just
start with that. Let's just start with the wedding dress. Okay,
then we'll get to the dead body. I understand the

(05:43):
significance fully, having been through a wedding myself. Okay, hold on,
take a listen to this. When Rachel got engaged, Mom
took over planning a big time wedding, including a nearly
ten thousand dollar gown to be handmade by a New
York designer. There was a custom dress had to be
a to her us. The family put down a deposit

(06:04):
of more than four thousand dollars, and that, according to
the contract, was nonrefundable and non transferable under any circumstances.
Lisa del Tondo says she got that from day one.
I was told that this is binding. I knew what
this thing said. They bought the dress and and Gregory
for the bride. In dormant Rachiel del Tondo was measured.

(06:25):
The family put down nearly half. It's made to order
and there's no exchanges and about no refunds. I understood that.
Four months after the contract was signed, the wedding was
called off. Lisa del Tondo called the New York designer
to see if they had started on the dress and
asked for a refund. I called New York. I did
He told me it couldn't be done. Del Tondo says.

(06:47):
She told the local bridal salon she'd pay the balance
and take delivery of the dress. I wanted the gown
so I could sell it. Del Tondo says the salon
never delivered the dress and refused to refund her money,
so she took the owner to Small Claims Court. It
says disposition default judgment for plain of court papers indicate
the salon owner did not appear for the hearing. As

(07:08):
a result, he was ordered to pay the del Tondo's
more than forty six hundred dollars. He had thirty days
to write us a check or file a pill and
he did not. Salon owner Gregory Jericho in an email,
he told me, December got by me with two deaths
in the family. We will be sending a certified check
out to del Tondo to Wendy Patrick, Southern California Prosecutor. Wendy,

(07:33):
I hardly think that a wedding dress dispute is cause
for murder. Absolutely, there's something far more serious and and
sinister going on here as well. However, it's details like
this that make cases like this interesting. And you have
got to wonder whether or not some of the drama
involved and and just some of these out ostentatious details

(07:53):
that we've been discussing have some relevance to motive. And obviously,
as a prosecutor, you know, we know you don't have
to prove motive, but boy, it sure matters to the
jury knowing even some of these tangential details may actually
lead us to figuring out how, and more importantly for
the listeners and for the jurors ultimately why this happened.

(08:14):
You know, uh, Wendy. Another thing, guys with me is
Dr Brian Russell, Wendy Patrick, Ashley Wilcott, Larry Mayor, and
Karen Smith. We need all the brain power we can
get on this one, you know, Wendy, I was saying
the other day that I used to love in court
watching the other lawyer have a little list of questions
and just go down the questions of reading them. No

(08:35):
matter what the witness said, it just shows a complete
lack of curiosity. I'm curious. I'm curious because not in
my wedding, I'll be honest, But in a lot of
weddings there's a lot of high tension. And here the
family who had had put out a lot of money
for this wedding. Then suddenly the groom breaks the engagement.

(08:58):
Next thing you know, the bride to be is gunned
down in the driveway. And none of it makes And
he says, I mean, white gunned down a school teacher
in the driveway just after her wedding has been canceled. Wendy,
I mean, it's hard to think it's not connected. But

(09:19):
we're getting more information now that suggests it was a
very different motive than anything to do with the wedding dress.
So absolutely, And you know, that's one of the reasons
that we really make sure we're not focusing on the
wrong details. Some details may be very interesting, but as
we all know, when you get into court, they may
ultimately be inadmissible because there's no relevance to the actual
charges that are brought. That's why we always want to

(09:41):
be so careful when we let our curiosity get the
best of us. And I think I know who you're
talking about, Lady Patrick. I think you're suggesting I'm lending
us all down a rabbit hole. Well, guess what headline
banner above the fold. I think the whole wedding and
they break off the engagement of the engagement does have
to do with the murder. And I'll tell you why.

(10:02):
Back to Larry Mayher. You wouldn't tell me who else
went to the ice cream parlor, Larry Mayher. Okay, well
hold on, so you've got her the Briane, I'll call
her Rachards Altonda. You've got the police sergeant's daughter with her,
who was now being relieved of his duties with pay

(10:22):
off the force. Over All this and the third mystery
person who happens to be one of Rachel's former students,
a male students brother. Now where does that fit into
the scenario? That's that student is key to all of
this because in February he and she were found by

(10:48):
police in a parked car at two o'clock in the morning.
The students, according to a police report, now, no one
was no one was arrested at that point, and the
officers took the seventeen year old home. His name is
Sheldon Cheeter. Now who wa wa wa wa wa. Yeah,
I'm drinking on the fire hydrant again too much, so
you're telling me just before the wedding is the engagement

(11:10):
is broken? Just before the weddings to go down. She
the teacher, is found in a car not running, in
an empty parking lot of a hospital. The car is
steamed up on the inside. It's about two o'clock in
the morning. As I always say, Wendy, feel free to
steal this for your juries. Nothing good happens after midnight.
It's two am. She's in the car with a boy student.

(11:35):
I'd like to point out, Ashley Willcott, that charges were
never filed. Okay over this. The police knew about it
because they showed up and followed the report. But I
can tell you who didn't know anything about it was
the boy's mother. Listen to this target Levin's girl obtained
a copy of the police report about that night and
took it to the student's mom. I don't know if

(11:56):
you've seen this. This is a copy of the police report.
Are you plice report? The former student was her then
sixteen year old son. I really don't want to believe it,
but she's only just finding out about the incident I
have been hearing going around. According to the police report,
the officer asked the teacher what was going on. Both
the student and teacher said they were quote talking and

(12:17):
we're just friends. If this is true, wats then unnotified
police and us a statement saying the incident was investigated
twice and was quote unfounded. That answer isn't good enough
for this mom. I'm looking to obtain a lawyer um
to find out what is actually going on. So cleared
up for me, Larry Mayher. Did the school know about

(12:40):
the incident at the time at the time, No, it
was in the fall of that someone got ahold of
the police report and leak it to the media and
to the school. That's when the school found out about
this particular incident and suspended Deltono from her teaching. Wow,
so that was leaked and yeah, And one of the

(13:01):
issues I have is it appears as if, from the
facts we know at this time, the police sat on
the report. They did their own investigation, but they didn't
report it to Child Protective Services, and they didn't report
it to the school, which is a problem when you
have a seventeen year old with an adult to Dr
Brian Russell, lawyer and psychologist, host of the hit show
on investigation Discovery, Fatal Vows. Dr Brian Russell, Well, I'm

(13:26):
trying to piece together the timeline because this all leads
up to her being gunned down in her driveway on
a Sunday night, and her parents running out and seeing
their daughter dead, and a police officer, a sergeant, being
relieved of his duties over all this and leaking. Somebody
leaked that police report on purpose, someone that had access

(13:51):
to police private reports. Was sent to media outlets the
police report, it was sent to the Ghool, it was
sent to I think friends of Rachel Dontando. She was
totally humiliated. Dr Brian Russell, needless to say. The first
thing she said when the cops got her out of

(14:12):
that car with the teen student all steamed up, two am,
don't tell my fiance this is innocent. He'd get mad.
Nothing happened, Brian. So one of the first things that
they teach us in psychotherapy school is that because something
came before does not necessarily mean it has any causal

(14:34):
connection to what came after that being said? I stopped
right there, Brian, I don't know what you just said.
You gotta break I'm just a j D all right,
I'm just a trial lawyer. What was that you just said? So,
so we know that preceding this murder, there was this
incident in which this woman, who was apparently engaged at

(14:55):
the time, was found in a steamed up car with
another man, all who happened to be a young male. Uh.
Seems like there was some kind of a connection form
perhaps between her and this male that had to do
with her teaching, although as you said, she was never
charged or convicted of anything and involving her having had

(15:16):
any kind of a sex relationship with a student. And so,
you know, it's tempting to look at that and go, well,
one came before the other. There must be some kind
of a causal connection here. But in psychotherapy school, one
of the things they teach us is when the patient
comes in and says, well, here's what's happening now and
here's what happened before, not to necessarily jump to the
conclusion that those things are causally related. As I'm listening

(15:39):
to all this, one of the things that I'm thinking
when you were talking about the dress and the dressmaker
or the dress seller being potentially upset with the family
because they tried to renege on the purchase of the
dress when the wedding got canceled and then they had
this small claims court thing that they lost and had
to refund the money to the family. I agree with you,

(16:01):
that doesn't sound like anywhere near a big enough deal
to have resulted in this woman's murder. It sounds like
someone had a much deeper, more interpersonal grudge against this woman.
But what I think is that incident about the dress
may very well be used by the defense ultimately of
whoever gets charged with this, to try to create reasonable doubt,

(16:23):
in other words, to try to say to the jury, look,
there was somebody else who had a motive here. You
and I don't think it's a great motive, But okay,
Dr Brian. We always always talk about Jackie here in
the studio, but she is sitting here a laughing and
be shaking her head no no, no to everything you're saying,

(16:45):
and she has a comment, Jackie, please yelling across the
studio there's fire, okay, whether it's smoke there's fire. She's saying.
I think I'm going to interpret for her. I think
she's saying that your fiance he's caught in a car
with a boy student. The cars not running, but the
windows are steamed up at two o'clock in the morning.

(17:08):
And then you find out because somebody leaks the police report.
This is just before your wedding. Yeah, he's gonna break
off the engagement. Now you're saying there's no connection. But
I put bet dollars to doughnuts if I were a
betting person, which I'm not, that it did have something
to do with breaking that engagement. But it all ended here.
It all ends here. Listen to this. I counted six shots,

(17:32):
but I had heard them before in this back area.
I heard the shots that I didn't hear anything else.
So I went back to sleep. Beautifully friendly, knows everybody, knew, everybody,
talk to everybody. You think you're safe going anywhere, but
one house up you're not very very nice girl, prime
of her life. And this is what happens. How did

(17:55):
a broken engagement, a ten dollar wedding dress end up
with a police sergeant being relieved of his duties and
now a teen boys cell phone records have been subpoenaed
um its claims of a government cover up, cover up. Man,
this thing is getting way way out of control. Back

(18:20):
this is my last time on the wedding dress. Okay,
I want you to hear what the fiance says. Listen
to him. Is he in as a suspect? Is he
out as a suspect? Listen to what he says for
that to happen in the community I'm very familiar with.
And nobody know nothing and not see nothing, and nothing
or nobody coming forward is to me as mind blowing.

(18:41):
You know, it doesn't sit well with me, you know,
at the end of the the day, and she does deserve justice.
Has been implied and strongly implied in many cases that
he could potentially have been involved in this. So we
felt an important in addition to cooperating, that he want
to have an opportunity to publicly express remorse. I don't
think you had anything to do with it, and I'll

(19:02):
tell you why. If you have something to do with it,
you don't get out there and start giving statements. Cooperate
with police, be open. Everybody knows who you are, where
you live, the works, unless you want to be disproved
now true, all husbands that killed their wives say I
didn't do it. Think is rue Peterson. But this guy,

(19:22):
I just don't think that fiance had anything to do
with it. Could you explain to me, Larry Mayher, how
has this ended up in claims of a police cover up?
That's a proclaim that it is being made by the
young man's attorney. Um Rachel Deltondo had told a reporter
recently and had told police recently that she had been

(19:45):
getting death threats and that one of those threats promise
that she would not live to see the end of
this year. Now. Sheldon Cheaters lawyer claims that Deltondo was
preparing to testify before a grand jury in front of
an investigation into one of the entities under investigation in

(20:05):
l equip A, Pennsylvani Okay wait wait wait wait wait wait, okay,
she's gonna be She was set to be a witness
in a police matter. What did it have to do
with leaking that police report? You think that's possible although
the state police we're handling that inquiry the last night, right,
no of it. Um. The school that she taught at

(20:29):
has been under repeated grand jury investigation, so perhaps it
was involved with the school for what why is the
school under investigator been questions about its financial transactions and
it's accounting for taxpayer money. It's a charter school. Okay, whoa, whoa, whoa,
wait a man it wait a minute. Okay, Wendy Patrick,

(20:50):
are you hearing this? Absolutely? You know it's uh the
plot it continues to thicken each time we learned a
little more about this case. But what we're hearing is
it sounds like a number are of possible different types
of motives for the murder. Okay, let me recap, Wendy.
So you've got the fiancee, who I don't think anything
to do with it, but he's apparently still stewing in

(21:11):
the pot with everybody else um as a potential person
of interest but I say he's clear. Then you've got
the boy, the teen boy that was in the car
with her and his family. They have not been named
suspector p o I person of interest. Now you've got
the police force, who leaks somebody with police force access

(21:35):
released this police report to the media, to the fiancee,
to all of her friends. That was that was mean,
That was downright dastardly. Now we are learning from Larry
Mayher her school was under investigation for potential mismanagement of
their taxpayers money and they have been part of a

(21:55):
grand jury investigation. WHOA. Then we hear she's been getting
death threats? Who knew all this is going down in
al Equippa As a matter of fact, Take a listen
to the lawyer. Yes, he's lawyered up for the teen boy.
They continued that relationship. I think it cooled for a while,
um and but but the relationship never ended. She was

(22:16):
due to testify in front of the grand jury which
has been investigating all Equippa among other entities, and she
was afraid. And we find it far from a coincidence
that she was murdered within days of having to testify.
This was not a crime of passion. I believe it's
a crime of a cover up, good gravy. And now
just coming to light two new facts. A second search

(22:39):
warrant has just been served, and there's news that Jeter,
the teen student older brother or Shawn Bolton, has been
in a serious relationship their words, not mine, a serious
relationship Will del Tondo. Since December, police are saying they've
served a second search warrant at the home of Sheldon

(22:59):
g Ater Jr. And, according to the search warrant, investigators
comb through the home for clothes he may have worn
the night of the murder and guns, specifically nine millimeter
that's interesting. The search warrant also says cops wanted cell phones, laptops, tablets,
video game systems, any written notes to or from the victim,

(23:24):
the teacher, Rachel Deltondo. Now sources say the affidavit that
goes along with the search warrant also contains a witness testimony,
and that testimony describes a an argument a verbal fight
between the teacher, Rachel and Jeter, which happened last year.
Bolton told police about three months ago, he and Deltondo

(23:49):
were outside his home when Sheldon shows up and reportedly
says that Blank told me she was with Amy, and
then to Deltondo, if my brother wasn't here, I f
you up. And as we go to air, we learn
a new search warrant has just been issued for guess

(24:10):
who a police officer wife Facebook account. That warrant now
part of the investigation and into Rachel del Tondo's mysterious murder. Okay, so,
Ashley wilcot Way in now a CoP's wife's Facebook account. Yes, Nancy,

(24:32):
what a tangled web, because keep this in mind. This
is the same officer whose daughter was out with the
victim when she went to get ice cream, and the
same officer who's on administrative leave because allegedly um couldn't
be involved in that investigation. But also they are saying

(24:52):
allegedly there's some misconduct accusations against the police department. Well,
that was certainly mouthful. Let me just say Shakespeare said
it best. Oh what a tangled web we weave when
first we practice to deceive. That's not about the cops wife.
That's about this whole kit in kiboodle. Everywhere you turn

(25:13):
there is a potential person of interest. But this is
what I know. She gets ten thousand dollar wedding dress
and pretty soon after she's dead the driveway. Man, I
need a float chart for this, Okay, Karen Smith, our
forensics expert, renowned forensics expert, Karen, I need you now

(25:33):
because the way she was shot. And I'm not a
conspiracy theory nut at all. I don't think people can
keep their pie holes shut, but the way she was
shot suggests to me there was someone lying in wait,
and they did not waste a bullet. And what I
mean by that it was a very good marksman. Karen Smith,

(25:56):
let's talk about ballistics amidst a police or government cover up.
Tell me what you've learned from the forensics evidence, Karen's Nancy,
you'd be right. The victim in this case, Rachel del Tondo,
was struck ten times in the chest. Now think about
that for a second. That is a very tight grouping

(26:19):
of a lot of rounds coming out of a gun.
That also tells me that it's probably a semi automatic.
It also tells me that the shooter was definitely lying
in waite an ambush, waiting for her to come home
to her parents driveway. So they knew where she lived,
they knew that she would probably be home soon, they
knew that she was gone, and they came up to her. Now,

(26:43):
she was shot in the chest, not in the back,
not in the shoulder, not in the leg, in the chest,
which means she was facing the shooter when the bullets
came flying. So that tells me a either the shooter
is a crack shot or the shooter was very close
to her when all those rounds a leashed the case.
Things were likely left at the scene, and there's your forensics.

(27:05):
You swab those casings for DNA. You can submit them
for prints, which is you know that's a hit or miss?
Uh not. You don't normally get prints from from casings,
but DNA oh bing bam boom. Yeah, we'll find out
who fired that gun soon as soon as that DNA
comes back and they have something to compare it to.
What is disturbing to make that would suggest and I'm

(27:27):
not going with a professional hit right now, I'm just
just not is the tight grouping of the bullet wounds,
because that means somebody has the calm, cool demeanor to
walk up and cheat her ten times in the chest,
make every shot, and get away without anyone that seeing

(27:48):
the getaway car. Were they on foot? Also, this suggests
they knew where she was going and knew when she
would come back. Why is that was the trip orchestrated?
That brings in the people that were with her as
a potential involvement. Do I think they were involved? No,
I don't. I really do not think that a police

(28:10):
sergeant's daughter and the brother of her boy her HER's
boy student friend had anything to do with her murder.
But that pulls them into the investigation because they took
her to the ice cream shop. She came home and
somebody was waiting there for her to get home. Now,
let's let's talk about the police, all right. Let me
go back to you, Larry Mayher with me on this.

(28:33):
The City of all Equippa Bureau of Police has now
sought access to the boys student Jeter Sheldon Jeter's iPhone,
his call records and the geolocation data. Why why do
they want this information from the boy? Not only that,
remember the bride Deltando was picked up by a female

(28:55):
friend who happens to be the daughter of an all
Equippa police Sar Argent Kenneth Watkins around eight p m.
That night. He has now been placed on administrative leave
by the Chief of Police because his daughter is a
minor and is not being named. Is involved as a

(29:17):
witness on the case. Oh what a tangled web we weave.
Ashley Willcott, judge, lawyer, founder of Child Crime Watch dot com.
Way in, there's intrigue, it is, there's so much intrigue.
So bottom line, our heartbreaks for a victim who's been
gunned down, but we now have three potential suspects, and

(29:39):
I like that we're learning the evidence as it's coming
out because it means that the police are investigating. So
we have a dressmaker who's mad about a refund. We
have a seventeen year old victim, and I say victim
because steamed up windows, car off found with an adult.
That's a victim who's now twenty, who's brother was with

(30:01):
her at the ice cream shot before she gets done
gunned down. And then we have an alleged cover up
and she's supposed to testify, and we just heard from
a forensics expert of the type of shots that killed
this woman, and that to me means perhaps it was
a police officer law enforcement who killed her. So so

(30:23):
we have three different potential sets of suspects in this case.
Huge to me is going to be the digital footprint.
Let me tell you, as a judge, Nancy, I see
this all the time. People think they can get away
with a crime this day and age. The digital footprint
gives so much information and literally catch us criminals. Wow,

(30:43):
that was a mouthful, and every single word you said
was right. Although I'm not ready to indict the police.
G for the police yet as being part of this,
although we know this police report was was leaked to
destroy Rachiel Deltondo by someone that had access to police
data and police um computers or software. Guys, now I

(31:06):
want you to take a listen to what the Beaver
County District Attorney. We're getting video cameras, we we we
are downloading information, we are interviewing witnesses. We are doing
everything we can investigating everyone that was driving around al
Equippa that night that was anywhere near this young lady's house.

(31:26):
So you know, before I point the finger at the
boy or his family, this could just be s o
P standard operating procedure. So back to Dr Brian Russell, lawyer, psychologist,
host of Investigation Discoveries Fatal Vows Hit series. Dr Brian, again,
thank you for being with us. So the plot thickens.
Now we know they have the state has subpoenaed the

(31:50):
boys cell phone records. Now listen to this, Dr Brian.
I'm setting up for a question. The search warrant we have,
we have obtained. We got ahold of the affidavit to
support that search warrant, and it says that she Rachel
the bride and Watkins, the daughter of the police sergeant
who has now been put on paid leave, went to

(32:11):
a Circle K convenience store. They visited a friend, then
they went to Rachel's parents home at nine twenty so
she could change clothes. Why is she changing clothes? Okay?
Ten minutes later, the two women leave in watkins car
that's the police sergeant daughter. They pick up Tyree Jeter

(32:34):
that is the student's brother, and then they drive to
Hank's custard that's ice cream shop according to the warrant
that we've gotten hold of. An hour later, the sergeant's
daughter drives them back to Deltondo's home, dropping her off
and driving off with the student's brother. Dr Brian Russell,

(32:56):
lawyer and psychologist. Before we point the finger at the
boys student because we know they have subpoena his cell
phone records and GEO data, I A. Where was his
phone at night? That standard operating procedure. That doesn't mean
he has anything to do with this, right, That's right.
It seems to me what we have here is a

(33:16):
young male who was with this murder victim shortly before
the murder, and it makes total sense that law enforcement
would want to look into him, but we don't have
any reason to think that he or his brother, who
is the team that apparently was found with the victim
many months earlier in this steamed up car but never

(33:38):
resulted in any kind of charges or anything. There's no
reason for us to believe that either one of them
had anything against her, And it doesn't really seem to me.
I agree with you. The fiance, although I completely understand
why he would have broken off the wedding after the
incident in which she was found with this young kid
in the car, doesn't strike me as behaving like a

(34:02):
murderous fiance. That the guy that was the dressmaker doesn't
sound like he's got enough of a motive. And really,
it doesn't sound like anybody on the police force would
have been in facing enough trouble for having leaked a
police report about this woman to have murdered her. It
sounds to me like somebody had a deep interpersonal grudge

(34:23):
against this woman, got right up close to her, is
probably why they were able to hit her so many times,
wanted to look into her face as they murdered her.
And what we know about this woman is she's apparently
if if nothing else, we know she had an active
social life. There may be some guy out there that
had a grudge against her, thought that she had jilted
him somehow. That's totally unrelated to any of these guys

(34:46):
were talking about. Well, listen to this, DOTR Brian, listen
to this, Larry Mayer, tell me if this is correct?
All right now, So she's caught in the car with
this teen boy. After that police report is lee by somebody,
the boy, Jeter and Rachel continue their relationship. They remain friendly,

(35:07):
all right. The lawyer says. Rachel disclosed to the boy
she was an informant in an ongoing investigation of the
al Equippa Police Department. Also, she had been preparing to
testify before a grand jury in a couple of days

(35:30):
regarding we think misuse of funds. We also know that,
in addition to a search warrant for the boy's phone,
the search warrant also lists a pair of khaki pants, shoes,
a wind breaker, and a hat. Those items are marked

(35:51):
with a note that says they were collected by consent.
In other words, I guess the boy just handed them over.
What do you make of it? Are those facts correct?
As far as I know? That's that is the statement
of facts from Sheldon Cheater's attorney. I don't know that

(36:11):
there has been any independent in um confirmation of those facts.
Got it so that that gives me a whole list
of potential suspects Ashley Wilcott. And there's one other fact
that I want to point out just because it's intriguing
and interesting to me, and that is again it was
the sergeant. The police sergeant's daughter was with this victim

(36:33):
when they went to get ice cream before she was
gunned down. I'm not saying there's a connection or not.
I'm saying that it's a fact that has to be
looked into because the list of suspects frankly seems to
be growing. Take a listen to what the Beaver County
District Attorney, David Loser says. It's very sad. You have
a very quiet and very quaint neighborhood where this tragedy happened.

(36:54):
We obviously regret this at parati sivities for the families.
The Alcuba name gets the out there are a lot
and it should not. This was a very nice, quiet
neighborhood and to have this invade any family is said.
We're working hard to solve this problem together. The police
departments of you kind of worked very well together. We'll
let's notice as we have one. It's shameful that this

(37:17):
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had been written that did not result in criminal charges.
It was a personal vendetta against her at the time.
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(39:06):
you were sick? Your mother? Who did you run to
when you skin your neat your mother? Who was always there?
Your mother? That's why it's so difficult for me to
to read this next heading. I told some mother stabs
her daughter fifty to seventy times with a pick axe

(39:32):
and then sets the home on fire and flees the
scene with the youngest of her three daughters. To look
at this woman, she looks like a soccer mom with
beautiful woman. You'd think everything was perfect in their home.
She had an eleven year old daughter, an eight year
old daughter, a younger daughter who we think was seven.

(39:56):
But why take a listen to what police say who
come to the Saint TPT was called to this location
and reference, uh, two different things. We had a house
on fire and we had an eleven year old who
had been stabbed multiple times. Um. A witness, the nine
year old sibling of the eleven year old, stated that

(40:18):
earlier in the evening that the mother had duct taped
their hands, but socks in their mouths and then began
stabbing the eleven year old. At that time, the nine
year old and her seven year old sister exited the residence.
The seven year old helped the nine year old leave.
The nine year old went to a relative house a

(40:40):
couple of houses down, and when they got to this house,
the kitchen was on fire and the eleven year old
was in critical condition. Um, she has been transported to
the hospital. The eleven year old. Yes, the mother and
the seven year old child we're missing from this location.

(41:02):
And what condition is the eleven year old in? The
eleven year olds in critical condition? She was stabbed so
many times the officers and on seeing you know, could
even count them. Um, what about timeline? At first, they
had told us that the victim had been in there
for over an hour yes, So the nine year old
was duct taped, so it took her a good portion

(41:24):
about an hour to get down to the family's house
to get help. The police saying that the little girl
was stabbed so many times the officers could not count them. Now,
according to police reports we have obtained, mommy was angry
with her children because of the way they were reading

(41:44):
and looking at her. She bound and gagged her three daughters.
Was she planning to burn the house down with them
all in it? With me? Now? Crime Stories investigative reporter
John Limble, Let's just start at the beginning. What happened Nancy.
The picture we have so far up to Heira Ahmad
is of a single mother of at least three children

(42:07):
that lived with her in Tulsa, Oklahoma, although there are
reports of at least two sons that had been sent
to live with the grandmother to here. I had recently
moved to Oklahoma from Tennessee. From what we understand to hear,
his husband stayed behind in Tennessee. We're still looking into
the specifics of their relationship, but we do know that

(42:29):
there was a restraining order against the husband. Now here
are some other details. Since moving to Tulsa. To hear,
I had been working two jobs to make ends meet.
The family of four. The mom and three girls lived
in a one story brick house along Mohawk Boulevard in Tulsa.
Pictures of the home show a modest, one story cape

(42:51):
cod a front lawn overgrown with weeds, surrounded by a
chain link fence, sort of messy toys and other items
strown across the yard. To the police say they had
no record of any child abuse or domestic violence issues
at the house. However, family members have told police officers
that there have been some issues talked about with the

(43:14):
family that to hear ahead, uh an anger problem. Well
wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait a minute, hold
on to ash, she willcott. Uh you have three children, Uh,
Brian Russell, I'm trying to get children for you. But
you won't go ahead and pot the question to that
woman you've been dating. But that's another cannon worms I'll

(43:34):
deal with later. Everybody else. I'm not gonna even get
into your family situation. But she's got three girls here
in the home that she's the single mom working to support.
You've got the two sons. So at her young age,
she's in her thirty story had five children. The sons
are back home in Tennessee. When the neighbors are saying

(43:56):
that she had a lot of anger, I guess she
did have a lot anger, right, sure, But but listen,
it's not about having anger. We all have anger at
different things. It's about the level of anger and what
people did about noticing she had anger issues. So did
it rise to the level of someone should have reported it?
I would submit that this kind of crime doesn't happen

(44:17):
because you just get angry because you're exhausted, single mom,
working all those things that can go along. This kind
of crime happens because it's not just an anger issue,
you know. Dr Brian Russell, psychologist, lawyer, host of investigation
discoveries hit show Fatal Vows. I agree, because when I'm
exhausted and I've been working, I'm trying to make dinner

(44:41):
and everything else that goes with raising children, I may
be short or curt or just very quiet because I'm tired.
But this is you cannot attribute an attack like this
on your child to the normal pressures of parenthood or
motherhood or single motherhood. That's absolutely right. I think most
people are probably listening to this and thinking there's got

(45:03):
to be a profound mental illness element to this case.
Here you go, no, no, no, no, don't you're jumping
ahead of me. I think most people are listening to
us thinking that. And while this certainly does not sound
like a mentally healthy woman to me, it's always important
to look when you're looking to see if somebody's actions

(45:28):
are the product of conscious choices or mental illness. One
of the things that you always have to look at
is are they doing anything to cover up the behavior,
to evade captured detection, to hide evidence, hide themselves, or
anything like that that would suggest consciousness of guilt, that
they know what they're doing is wrong. Because if that's

(45:49):
the mentally ill or not, they're responsible. And this woman did,
she fled, She hid all kinds of consciousness of guilt.
To Wendy Patrick, they knowledge of guilt, the indication of
guilty conscience. By tying up the children, by trying to

(46:11):
burn the evidence of stabbing the one daughter so many
times cops couldn't figure out how many. By taking the
other on the run in her suv, that shows consciousness
of guilt to me, flight, Yeah, you know, each of
you have brought up such interesting points, the consciousness of
guilt being the flight, the fact that apparently she still

(46:34):
knows right from wrong, which flies in the face of
some mental defenses. Uh. But you know another point that
several of you have made, um Ashley says she wants
to know more about the anger that somebody predicted this.
But this type of thing, Nancy, is a combination of
provocation and predisposition. In other words, all the things you said.
There are many single mothers, no doubt listening, that have

(46:55):
the same schedule as you described, working two jobs, making
dinner for the kids, trying to do it all, and
would never in a million years even consider using any
type of violence, much less something like this. So it's
the what else is going on here which is going
to make the difference between what kind of a defense
is ultimately mounted and then of course whether or not
that's successful in court. You know, another question is how

(47:17):
in the world did she manage to go on the
run and elude police. But before we leave the scene
of the crime with me is a world renowned forensics expert,
Karen Smith. Karen, what would you be looking for at
the scene, And I'm talking about the primary scene. We've
got a primary, secondary and a tertiary crime scene. Here, Karen,

(47:38):
inside the home, what would you be looking for? What clues?
I would start in the kitchen where the eleven year
old was found. According to report, there was blood on
the furniture, blood on the floor. If this child was
bound and gagged, bound with duct tape and gagged with
a sock in her mouth, she is utterly defenseless, which

(48:00):
tells me that this is a very highly volatile and
highly mobile crime scene. It didn't just happen in the kitchen.
It happened in other areas of the house. And I
cannot imagine anyone, let alone an eleven year old going
through fifty seventies stab wounds. That's indicative to me as
a form of pikeriism, which is using a sharp instrument

(48:23):
to poke at someone. Uh, not just full on stab wounds,
but other ways of of eliciting torture or a form
of punishment. And by all intents and purposes, from what
I've heard, that is what this woman was doing, was
punishing these girls for reading incorrectly and the way they
were looking at her. Another thing I would be looking for,

(48:46):
and I don't know if they they may have been
focusing on the bloody crime scene, trying to determine exactly
what happened through forensics. But I would be interested from
another angle of evidence to determine whether the home was
well kept, whether it was filthy, whether there was food
in the fridge and the the cabinets, whether it looked
like um, the bathrooms were cleaned. Why do Why am

(49:09):
I saying this because to me, it would give me
a clust or her mental health. Was she keeping up
the home, was she neglecting them? Were they well fed?
I would be looking at that too, Karen, just so
I would know the state of mind. Absolutely, you opened
the cabinets and there's, uh, you know, a box of
rice Christie's that's been there for three years. And you

(49:30):
open the fridge and it's empty or it smells because
it hasn't been cleaned. The rooms are covered in filth,
the walls are covered in in you know, chocolate milk,
and god knows what it's It's a horrible, horrible situation.
So yes, you would want to look at all of
those factors, as well as the blood at the crime
scene and the location of the daughter, as well as

(49:51):
the location of the weapons that were apparently left behind.
I wonder, John Linley, Crime Stories investigative reporter, how this
mom got so far away in an suv with a
kidnapped child. So take a listen very quickly as witnesses
are describing what they saw, the black suv, Alex's matches,

(50:11):
the description, the ambrell or the little growth, miranda orange
peach dress, poofy hair like they described, and we're they
are called this is called just to be safe, you know,
even if it's not like she seemed happy, like she's
scared about anything. She was playing and just kind of
like being a little kid. She was staying episode in
the summer if she was climbing out and the woman
was just laying down in the backseat. So, John Linley,

(50:33):
I don't know how she managed to a Loui police,
But where was she ultimately found. She was in the
Arts district of Tulsa in a parking lot. And this
is where these two women that had the sense of
mind to call police. They had seen the amber alert
and so they made sure they called nine one one immediately.
And the scene that they're describing, we have a glimpse

(50:55):
of this thanks to a news helicopter, a camera that
is shooting down on top is capturing the scene. The
little girl doesn't seem to have a care in the world.
She's she's playing and in the back seat is to
hear it, she's lying down and not only is she
lying down, she's asleep. Well, take a listen to what

(51:15):
police say about what happened in the patrol car. She
admitted to being upset with the two older children because
of the way they were reading their books, and so
she proceeded to bind their hands with the tape. She
admitted that she used to have the victim fifty to
sixty times what she said and get her in the
head with a gas two or three times. Right now,

(51:36):
believe it or not, that daughter who sustaining sixty to
seventy pickaxe wounds is in the hospital in critical condition,
but alive, and this mom is in custody. Family members
now saying the single mom snapped after losing her job
and being prevented from attending her son's graduation, prevented by

(51:59):
her mother or who cares for the two boys. Listen
to Barbara al Sharif and aunt, my little niece came
running up the driveway barefoot in hysterics, saying that Auntie, Auntie,
mommy killed Sadilla. I came running in there and I
looked at her and I shouted out her name. I
told her, don't worry, We're gonna get you out of here.

(52:21):
That from k h r H TV. The police report
says one daughter told cops they had been held hostage
in the room without food or water for a week
before the attack. Listen to this. She was normal Friday, Saturday,
she snapped Sunday she was evil. Nancy Grace Crime Story

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