September 9, 2025 • 60 mins
Before a live audience at Crime Con Denver 2025, Nancy Grace is joined by Gabby Petito's father, Joe, and stepmom, Tara, along with Joseph Scott Morgan, professor of forensics at Jacksonville State University, and Sheryl McCollum, Cold Case Investigative Research Institute founder.
Hear how the Petitos learned of their daughter's death, as well as how they have dealt with the knowledge that Brian Laundrie's parents reportedly knew Gabby was dead and did not share the information.
Learn more at the Gabby Petito Foundation, https://gabbypetitofoundation.org, and donate to their fundraiser to raise money for a security fence for a domestic violence shelter.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
She is a former prosecutor, legal analysts, host of Crime Stories,
and victim's Advocate. Please welcome Nancy Grace.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
First of all, I want to thank you all for
being up bright and early this morning to be here
with who I consider friends. And you know, you meet
friends in all sorts of ways, but I think friends
that are the closest to me are those that have
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lived through something, lived through something together and come out
on the other side, know, like in the fox hole
with you, right, like people I tried cases with my
longtime investigator, Ernest, my family who went through the murder
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of my fiancee with me. I slept in the bed
with them every night. They tried to feed me, they
helped me get back in school when I dropped out.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
They went through it.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
And we came out the other side. And I am
so happy to introduce to you for incredible friends. First
of all, let me introduce to you Joe and Ta,
the parents, the dad and step of Gabby Patito, for
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all they've been through.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
She actually is gonna leave her pocketbook in a conference room.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
I'm like, Okay, I think I'm right there. You still
want to sit by him?
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Is that? Is that? Okay?
Speaker 4 (02:21):
And I don't know how these two they're just everywhere
I turn there they are.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Okay. First of all, you know she's here. Cheryl McCom.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Sharapow Love is a forensic expert. We have worked together
in Inner City Atlanta since I don't even remember.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
And she is still in law enforcement. And she is
a star of a hit podcast, Zone seven.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
And laugh.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
But not past our colleague, our friend, professor forensics, said
Jacksonville State University, the author of Blood Beneath My Feet
on Amazon and star of body Bags at Joe Scott Morgan.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Joe Scott Morgan.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Now, and there is the power behind the throne right there,
his wife, Kim.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
But let me tell you something, Joe Scott has a.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Very different recollection of our relationship than I do.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Okay. So I was in Atlanta prosecuting so fast I.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Couldn't even keep up with it, Like one hundred and
fifty new felony indictments a week. Wait, that's twice a week,
So three hundred knew a week to be sorted out
by computer to twelve courtrooms, and one prosecutor would handle
all the state's business.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
So needless to say, I was in.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
A hurry, okay, and I needed a death three pool.
I needed to know the details in a murder case.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Is that so unreasonable? So I call the morgue.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
I get some guy who starts some song and dansing,
go why it's not ready.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I'm like, there's a.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Speedy trial demand on this case, and if I don't
try it, it's an automatic acquittal.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Are you familiar with speedy trial demands?
Speaker 4 (04:24):
If the state doesn't try it within two grandjury sessions,
automatic acquittal. And he went, I'm like, he claims I
cursed it him. I don't think that happened, and so
I recall it.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I hung up. He says he hung up on me.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
But that's totally not true. That said renowned author and
death investigator Joe Scott Morgan, forensics expert Cheryl McCollum, and
who I now consider to be friends, Tera and Joseph.
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We got so much to talk about, but don't let
me forget they believe it or not. You know, sometimes
when you go through HGL, you just want to curl
up in a ball.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Guess what they're doing right now.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
They're trying to raise money for somebody else for a
shelter in Laramie, not far from Laramie. It's called Laradise
and for people that are going through the worst that
need help. They're trying to raise money for a fence
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to surround the shelter. You know, a lot of people
that have lived through what they have lived through are
still so engulfed in that process, and I'm just a
at what they are doing.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
So, you know what, I just want to.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Okay, I'm going to get to their foundation and Lara
Dye and everything else they're doing. But I think I,
like you, I'm so close to them. I'm not through
a TV screen right now. I want to start with.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
When you knew.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Something had gone horribly wrong. When I found out that
my fiancee was killed, I just thought that there had
been a car accident. I had no idea that some
guy he didn't know shot him five times and destroyed
my life and ended his life.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
So at first I didn't really get it. How did
that day roll out? Let me start with.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
You, Tim, So Nikki had called us and said, have
you heard from Gabby?
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Gabby's mom?
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Gabby's mom, I'm bonus mom.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
We actually say emotional support human just let you know.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
That's what the FBI called Jim and I. So the
two Bonus parents were emotionally support humans. But anyway, so
that she called Joe and she's like, have you heard
from the kids? Have you heard from Brian or Gabby?
I haven't heard from them in a while. And Joe
immediately was on the phone with We knew she was
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traveling across country, so Joe was on the phone trying
to figure out if we could locate her, locate her van.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Is that normal from Nikki? If she can't find well Abby,
then she calls you guys.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Well, I mean, Gabby was traveling, so we didn't know
how much service that she had, so nothing was normal. Yeah,
but yeah, if there was an issue or anything, yea.
And of course Nikki would always call us and see,
like you know, we would work together as four parents
to try to resolve whatever issue that was going on,
and that was normal. But this was different because we
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couldn't find her, We couldn't figure out where she was,
so Joey started calling everybody. At this point, I was
I didn't think it was serious. I was just like, okay,
all right, well she's out there in the camping and
she's exploring national parks and she's having the time of
her life. Maybe she just doesn't have service.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
How long had it been? How many days?
Speaker 3 (08:34):
That was a couple of days. There was Friday afternoon
where Joe looked at me and he was like, no,
this is this is serious, like this is something something's
not right. And he had a lot of trouble trying
to even report her missing. They would not report her
missing because in the state of Florida, that's where Gabby
was living, you have to report her missing in her
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last known location. At this point we knew her last
no location was in Utah Oat Lake, and in Utah
it is where they reside. So we were having these
issue of trying to get her reported missing. We tried
to call the laundries. We had a friend in insurance
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who kind of got in trouble who gave us their
phone numbers because we did not have their phone numbers.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
That is hard to take in that you couldn't get
a hold of them. Nope, guys, if you don't know
Gabby Bottito beautiful inside and outside.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Takes after her dad.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Well, it's crazy because everybody used to say that she
looked more like me, and I'm like, well, yeah, that's okay,
but I'm like, she's way more beautiful than I.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
But send all this effort and converts her Ford transit
into like a rolling camper and starts on an across
country trip with the boyfriend was really the fiance.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
So they did get engaged, okay, but I I don't
know if it was ever a serious engagement. I had
to asked Gabby about it, and she kind of just
like he didn't ask Joe for her hands in marriage.
And we found out on a Facebook post from Roberta.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
So that would be Roberta Laundry, and that would be
Brian the fiance, Laundry's mother, who have come under quite
a bit of scrutiny the way that they handled the
facts as they progressed. Please jump in, because Brian Laundry
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and Gabby set off on the cross country trip and
then suddenly nobody can hear from Gabby, and then the
next thing you know, the family starts getting these texts
that don't make any sense.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
It would be like if.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
I texted Joe Scott about Cheryl and I said, where
is crime scene analyst Ms? Cheryl McCollum dob like, that's wrong.
Didn't Laundry send a text asking about the grandpa and
called him by his full name. That would be like
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my sister texting me, how is Elizabeth Stokes Grace my mother?
Speaker 1 (11:19):
I'm like, what is wrong with you?
Speaker 4 (11:21):
So they knew immediately this is not her texting. Gabby
was murdered. And if it hadn't been for you guys
putting it out there for social media and more.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
I remember when.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Their handle was red blue and Methane saw a Ford
transit in what is called dispersed camping, which is there's
not an electrical hook up, there's not a porta potty,
there is nothing but you and the critters saw her
Gabby's transit there and called it in and Gabby's remains
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were found.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Brian Laundry murdered her.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
But before he murdered her, he assaulted her on main
street in some little town, and the cot named Gabby
the aggressor, even though witnesses state they saw him it her.
So everything that could go wrong went wrong, and somehow
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the laundryes knew more than you did.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Well hurt no. The person who was responsible came home
back into their house and I think it was twenty
five thousand dollars. You know, they had the right to
check twenty.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Five thousand, and they sent a check for twenty five
thousand dollars to their attorney up in New York, Berdolino,
who then sent it to a defense attorney in Wyoming.
How did they know the location in Wyoming that they
needed to contens attorney?
Speaker 4 (12:57):
You slow down and say that again. So Brian laundry
fiance walked to the door, and but I said, Hey,
where's Gabby?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Actually, no, that's not so he called. He called his
mom on his drive home and they had a long conversation,
and immediately afterwards the parents called Stephen Bertolino, and then
I guess the next day a wire went from the
laundries to Bertolino, and then Bertolino hired some high power
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criminal defense attorney in Wyoming, and that was the retainer
of twenty five thousand dollars. No, I don't know about
anybody in this room. If your child asked you for
a twenty five thousand dollars check, are you guys gonna
ask why?
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Right?
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Just wondering.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
So he actually also called his father, and his father
had said, so this is Christopher Laundry that Gabby was
gone and he needed help. And he tried to say
Gabby was gone, ment that she just ran off, but
he needed twenty five thousand dollars to pay to a
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dot sent Ye had to pay for a high powered
defense attorney, and their attorney, Bertollino, is the one that
signed the retainer, not Brian.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Guys.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
There is no parent child privilege like attorney client privilege,
husband wife privilege, priest parishioner privilege.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
But none of this was revealed.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
What I'm saying is the all out search for Gabby ensues.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
And the whole time.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
The Laundryes allegedly knew Gabby had been murdered.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Do you remember that, Cheryl? Oh?
Speaker 6 (14:43):
I remember, And let me tell you there's no POS
privilege with the pos either.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Listens.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
The first time I ever had a conversation with Joe,
the information I had was incorrect, but the information I
had with he went to their house and knocked on
the door and they wouldn't come to the door, and
I'm like, I'll go with you. I guarantee you they're
coming out because we're gonna set it on fire. Because
let me tell you, Nancy was my prosecutor back in
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the day when we were both in our twenties. Y'all,
we had a good time in Atlanta too, But listen.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
I didn't. I don't know what she's talking about. I
had two night jobs.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
I don't know what she was doing. When I was
teaching school.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
I had one job that I barely worked. I had
some fun.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
But listen.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
What happened.
Speaker 6 (15:34):
I used to be able to work these cases with Nancy,
just work the work and work them.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
And then I had children, and then Nancy had children,
and I'm going to.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
Tell you, thirty days later everything about me.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
It did.
Speaker 6 (15:46):
It changed how I worked every case, especially involving somebody's child.
But when I tell you I would have gone with him,
I would.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Have gone with him, no question about it.
Speaker 6 (15:56):
And I think y'all would have gone with us.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Is that true? Did you go and knock on the door?
Speaker 2 (16:01):
No, I was informed. So we got a call that
Brian was home with the van and Gabby wasn't there.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
How did you find that? Who told you that?
Speaker 2 (16:10):
So when we tried to get Gabby reported, we couldn't. Right,
So it took Nikki begging on the floor of a
precinct in New York to get her finally reported. And
when the report finally went out, they did a welfare check.
I guess at the house and I was going the
next morning, and like around midnight, one o'clock in the morning,
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we get a call from Nicky saying Brian's home with
the van and Gabby's nowhere to be found. And if
I go to the house, I was told I would
be arrested. And so if we didn't have Gabby, me
getting arrested didn't serve a purpose and I needed it.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Told you arrested, I.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Wouldn't been able to contain it, to be honest with you,
and that was sound advice. You know you have who
when listen, I hope no one is in that situation,
you know, But if you have a job to do,
and that is to find your loved one, being put
behind bars isn't gonna help. It's only gonna compound the issue.
So but we were fortunate enough to have four of us,
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and that's because you can't do this on your own,
like you need support systems and stuff like that, right, So, Nikky, Jim, Tara,
to be honest with you, they deserve all the credit.
I bring nothing to the table its letting you know that,
but they really do everything. But they kind of kept
it where it needed to be and where the focus was,
and that was just simply finding Gabby. And that's that's
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what we did.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
With that.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Crime stores with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
When Gabby's remains or were found, was she identified first.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
By her shirt.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
So what had happened was they found her and they
only had minutes to get to because Jim just happened
to be in Wyoming. Uh well no, yeah, he Woming.
We were told to stay in New York. Nick Nikki
was told to stay in New York beause that's where
the investigations started out of. But it was being run
through the FBI in Tampa, so we were told to
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stay there. Jim said, screw it, I'm going to Wyoming,
so he did, and when they found her, they had
I mean they were running to get to Jim because
a few minutes later it hit the news, you know
what I mean. Once they put the tent up, they
would helicopters and stuff. So they did identify her through
her Bunger shirt, which is a local shop in Sable,
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New York. It was like a surf shop.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Okay, I want to follow through what you're saying to
its logical conclusion, because in a case, when you are
building a case, you get a med thousands of facts,
and I call it marshaling. Marshaling your facts and evidence.
You cannot go into a trial, specifically a felony trial scattershot.
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So every fact proves something, and it's your responsibility to
determine what that one fact proves. She was identified by
her shirt? What does that tell me? That tells me
her remains had been left out in dispersed camping, which
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is nothing but wild terrain.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Left there.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
In the hopes that animals would destroy her remains and
that she would never be identified.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Isn't that true, Joe Scott?
Speaker 4 (19:57):
So that one piece of evidence tells me the frame
of mind of the killer. Gabby meant nothing to him.
He just left her there like a pizza box.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (20:11):
And here here's the bit of irony here when you
when you compare what he had done to Gabby and
where he had left her, and you compare and contrast
that with his remains that are found in that swampy area.
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His remains were affected by animal activity in that area,
That which.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Makes me really happy.
Speaker 7 (20:48):
Yeah, And I have to tell you, you know, having followed
it from the forensics perspective, and those the people that
handled Laundry's remains there did a bang up job, you know,
of having to collect because everything was particulated at that
point in time. Again, disbursement, it has to do with
the water. It also has to do with the animal activity.
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I I don't know. I don't want to wax spiritual,
but when I think, you know, for a time, you know,
Gabby became everybody's daughter, and I have a daughter that
looks almost the spitting image of Gabby in it just
broke my heart and generally I can detach myself. As
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horrible as the circumstances were, it felt as though to
me that it was almost an angelic presence, you know,
there with her remains. As crazy as that sounds, that's
the way I've always believed it in my in my mind.
But back to the remains and how her remains were
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treated by him trasting with how his remains were found,
and the corner out there that handled Gabby's remains did
a fantastic job given the isolated area that was out there.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Yeah see, I could appreciate that. But here's the thing. Yeah,
when we went to go pick up her remains. I
can't prove it, you know what I mean, This is
only my opinion. There was paperwork you have to do,
and Gabby's name was misspelled on the paperwork. So he's like,
all right, give me a few and I'm going to
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go redo the paperwork. It goes like ten minutes go by,
he comes back, it's wrong again. Another ten minutes go by,
he comes back and it's finally right, going through the
paperwork whatever. So there for like a half hour before
we get her remains. It's my opinion that he tipped
off the some reporter for some outlet where, because there's
now a picture of me leaving the corner with her remains.
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So it's great of a job that they might have done.
I don't think it. I think that the just had
bad intentions, you know, in terms of getting money and
stuff like that, and that's a shame because that's not
something you want to see.
Speaker 7 (23:11):
One other point adjacent to this that I found fast
Enats talking to Cheryl about this backstage, is that that
corner released a manner of death, which there are five
before a cause of death was ever released, and generally
it does not happen. I'm not saying that that's you know,
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bad and any necessarily, it's just odd because normally you
want to establish the physical funds.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
That's clear for our listeners.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Cause of death is stabbing, choking, poison, asphyxiation, ligatory manual stanulation.
Manner of death is homicide, natural causes, undetermined suicide. I
mean it's different, it's too different categories. But to me,
the fact that her remains were left out in the
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middle of nothing.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I've camped out there and hiked out there.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
There is nothing, but the animals didn't disturb either.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Right, I'm talking about his frame of mind. What can
I prove based on that?
Speaker 1 (24:20):
I get it, just such a callous disregard of her.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
He panicked well, and the fact that he came home
and his mom knew, They knew she was out there,
they knew it. So how is a mother you're okay
with that? How is a mother you know that you're
a woman that's supposed to be your daughter in law,
that has parents, that has siblings. How is a parent
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do you do that? Because I know I would probably
kill my son right then and there.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
How many days passed from the time Laundry came home.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Two. No, they sent the money.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Oh, oh nineteen getting home.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
No, so he sent the money. I think it was
like September one or second when Laundry get home.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
He got home on the first, the first, Yeah, and
he found on the September nineteen, September nineteen.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
So for almost the entire month of December.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
September, yes, thank you.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Of September, the laundries let them hang in the wind
looking for Gabby after they had already paid a defense attorney.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
They actually went. They actually went.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
They actually went camping and had s'mores.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Oh, yes, please tell them.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
They also went camp They also did like a planting
tree type of thing that I don't know what was it.
They uh, a planting class. It was like a couple
hours that they took, which was weird, like you're how
do you do that? Like your that's their frame of
mind too, how do you take Gabby? Was knowing Gabby's
out there, They're going camping, having s'mores, and they're taking
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planting class.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Please tell them about the camping trip.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Well, they had. They went on a camping trip. I
think it was September fifth through the seventh. They changed
the I guess you had to make reservations and whatnot,
and they kind of changed the reservations because Gavey is
no longer there. And the sister, and this is the
part that blows my mind. Right, I'm gonna say this out.
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So the sister, Cassie Laundry, has a couple kids, all right,
and those kids I feel really bad for because they
did nothing wrong and they have to go through lives
knowing that their uncle was a pos. I'm gonna use
that from that one, by the way, I'll want you
know that. And the mom let her grandkids hang out
with someone who just killed who's supposed to be the
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love of their life. Would you guys do that? By
showy hands? Would anybody allow that to happen? Yet?
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Like no, that is disgusting to be trying to get
past the smores. R Rember, I did buy a shirt
which tells me the state of her remains.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
They couldn't say how to do the shirt.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
They're lying there in dispersed camping and Laundry's family. He
gets home on September one and they go on a
camping trip. I wonder if they thought their house was
bugged or something. But they go on a camping trip
and sit around the campfire and go hiking and have s'mores.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Can I jump in?
Speaker 1 (27:33):
What?
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Can I jump in?
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (27:35):
Remember she changed the reservation.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yes, yeah, it was supposed to be two.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
They went to three.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
I wholeheartedly believed they were going to sit around and
plan his escape.
Speaker 7 (27:46):
Right, I think answer for Tom. I remember being on
crime Stories when you we had actually speculated that they
had purchased some kind of cheap kayak get him into
the waterway, remember this, and that he was going to
you know, kind of vanish into the population in Tampa
and maybe get into a homeless area. We speculated about
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this fort.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
To that, We looked at routes how he could go.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
They did get new phones, new simcards, knew everything, you
know a couple of days before. Doesn't we have a
conspiracy theory, all of us? Oh yeah, there's a video
of them going to at and T getting.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
New phones, found sim cards, still plan his escape.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
But here so well, now, Bertolino, they're a lawyer in
New York is a real estate attorney.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
He's not a criminal attorney.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
He's not a criminal attorney real estate. So was they
trying to get the escape where he was going to
stay in one of his houses.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
See, I don't think an escape was ever in the cards.
I really don't in all honestly, like, I don't, And
this is my opinion. I think the four of us
share it. You know, I don't think Brian killed himself.
I we all think the mom did it.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Yes, we do have.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
I don't have the stones to do it himself.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
Let me just say, no one has been named a
person of interest or a suspect.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
But I did say.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Everyone has presumed innocent until praving Gilts.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
I did say, this is my opinion, all right, And yeah,
I don't think he had the stones to do it.
I mean when you add this, so, there's some things
that just don't add up to me.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
You mean, like how they went walk when everybody had
been looking for laundry's remains and they walked.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
I'm talking before that. So Brian drove to the to
the to the spot whatever with his car, right, yeah,
So the Miacahatchie Creek right or whatever.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
It was there on a thousand acres of Mosquito.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
So he drove his Mustang there and I guess like
two days went past and it was it three days
three days past, and the parents brought the car home.
Now it's not around the corner. This is a good
distance from their house.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
It's going to leave him out there.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
So, yeah, he doesn't have his keys, he doesn't have
a wallet, he doesn't have a phone. How is he
going to get home? Why would you take the car back?
Why would you take his only mode of transportation?
Speaker 1 (30:03):
The parents ever been charged?
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Well, well, listen, at the end of the day, it
wouldn't have served us any good. Yeah, we've had a
moment of yeah, you know, that's great, But right after
that moment, we're back to this sucks, you know what
I mean. So, but Nikky Tarrant and Jim myself, I mean,
we kind of banded together and tried to use our
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tragedy to help others because Gaby really touched so many people,
and it'd be wasteful and shameful to not utilize what
she went through to spotlight on how so many others
go through it. Domestic violence is a crazy thing that
no one likes to talk about. Can I curse? Can
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I can I curse? Hears that?
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Talk about it? Talk about it like I'm dead, worrious,
like enough. Real, the shame of domestic violence belongs to
the pos that does it and not the people that
have it done too, all right, And so if you
hear or know or see or it went through, you
put that shame where it belongs on the abuser, because
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that's the piece that deserves it.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Right on crime stories with Nancy Grace, what leads you
to believe that all along the laundries in you Gabby
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had been killed and did nothing?
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Of course, in our jurisprudence, you do not have the
duty to act.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
You don't have the dity to save somebody, to report anything.
You may have a fiduciary duty if you like, if
it's your child, or if you have a contractual agreement,
like you're a babysitter or a granny, nanny or a custodian,
But other than that, you don't have a duty to
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report anything to the police at all if you don't
want to. In this case, what other evidence exists to
suggest that they took part in a cover up.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Or is there any Well, I'll tell you how we
got there, and this is because of their attorney, Stephen Berdollino.
It's how we got there, and this is why when
you commit a crime, you don't hire a real estate attorney.
I just want that to be sounded. Vice. We had
our attorney, Patrick Riley, who, by the way, is an
amazingly handsome guy. I think my wife would leave me
(32:44):
for him. He wasn't married because she listen, he's tall,
he's handsome, he's really tan. It's fantastic anyway. So he
was looking for a reason of how to bring that suit,
because what happened was when everything was done, the FBI said,
we want you to go after them civilly because you
can get depositions, and those depositions we could use because
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they would be public. So we said absolutely, but to
build a criminal case.
Speaker 7 (33:11):
So he needed.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
A reason to go after them. And what he went
after them with is the words from Stephen Bertolino that
we hope Abbey's reunited with their family. By the way,
in court, they turned around and said, oh, we never
meant her living. It could have been her corpse that
we met. That was that's what they said in court.
By the way, those mastards right, screw them. But it
was because of their attorney that's what we got those depositions,
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and they thought it was funny In those depositions, Like
the mom was laughing, Roberta was laughing, like it was
a freaking joke.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
What everything just so that a whole burn after reading
letter that she had wrote to Brian. We don't know
when she said. It was right before the trip we have,
we don't We still don't know when. She was laughing
The entire just a joke. Everything in that letter, me burying,
you know, helping you hide a body. Oh, that's it's
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it's a children's book, from a children's book.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
ROBERTA.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
Laundry wrote a letter to Brian Laundry offering to help
bury or hide a body, and the letter said burn
after reading.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
And according to ROBERTA. Laundry, what was the excuse?
Speaker 3 (34:29):
It was from a children Oh yeah, it was a
children's book. So it was just an inside joke that
they had, you know, just something really funny. And but
her and Brian were having difficulties before they before they
Gabby and him left on the trip, so she was
writing it to him to try to let him know
how much she loved him.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
I've never offered to burn a body for my bury
a body, and I mean I never thought to say something.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
So it's like Norman Bates like that she would wash
him in a tub and stuff, like as a teenager.
It's horrible.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
She is that was the mastermind? Like she was just
just sitting there at a deposition and they wanted us
to feel sorry for them.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Why do you say that?
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Because they said it. Berlina was like they had pitchforks
in front of our house. There were so many people
with pitchforks, and you know that was so unfair to
us that they Why were they doing that to us?
Are you kidding? Why didn't we go to them and
try to, you know, have a relationship with them.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Where does any legal actions stand now?
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Right now? Will the civil cases done? We had to
settle because of a law in Florida where if they
offer a settlement and you go to trial, if you
turn it down, and you turn it down and you
go to trial and they the jury awards you only
seventy five percent of that, you are you have to
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pay all of their legal fees. Yeah, today, it's kind
of a way to make you settle so you don't
go to trial. Then there's the other issue of freedom
of speech, where they would have appealed and we probably
would have lost. We got the information we wanted. We
wanted them to be deposed. We wanted to see what
they were going to say in the depositions. We got all.
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We got those answers and that's all we wanted. We
Once we settled with them, it was like a huge
weight kind of lifted off my shoulders. I just want
to forget about them. I don't want to think about them.
I have really crazy thoughts of like what I would
like to do to them, but.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Sometimes want to lay that out because I'm annoying, is anything.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
So we after we got the depositions, we sent it
over to the FBI because Christopher Laundry had stated that
Gabby was gone in the depositions and that you know
she They thought she just ran off and that's you
know why. But they did not do anything that was
that was it.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Did you guys have any idea that Gabby was being beaten?
Speaker 2 (37:22):
It's other than the mo app stop.
Speaker 8 (37:24):
No.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
To be honest with you, we did.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
I did not like Brian why. I had co signed
a car for Gabby before she even reunited with Brian
and they started dating again. This is when we were
trying to get her to go to school and she
needed a car, and I was like, I'll co sign
this car for you. And but you're making the payments,
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you're going to school, and you're making the payments. I'm
just here, God forbid, you need something to help. And
you know she wouldn't have got the loan otherwise. Well,
when her and Brian left to moved down to Florida
after their first trip, pretty much all payments had stopped.
She stopped making car payments. She wound up returning the
car early to get the van and stuck me with
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a thirty two hundred dollars bill to return the car early.
At this point, I'm like, why isn't Brian helping her.
They're a couple, they're engaged to be married. Like there's
some there's something not right there going on all these trips,
and I just felt something was off. I had felt
something I have. I guess like visions a lot. You
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know you were talking about the spiritual aspects. I do
get visions and sometimes they come true, and there's a
god of questions regarding that.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
Do either of you feel that you have felt Gabby's
presence or communicated with her in any way since she
went to heaven?
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (38:53):
What happened.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
I guess signs from her all the time. I actually so,
I felt her presence when we're sleeping. I would feel
like she was going to try to walk into our
room all the time and want to hug us. And
I actually went to a psychic medium and they were like,
you need to just go to sleep so she can,
And they had no idea that I felt that they
had done. I didn't say it during this, no one
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would know that. He didn't even know that.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Well, I have a deal with this, all right, Listen.
I don't mess with ghosts. Ghosts, don't mess with me.
We're good to go. I don't. I don't know. Uh.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
When she was when we were trying to report her missing,
there was a lot of rain and a lot of
thunder and we had just moved down to Florida. It
was like an unseasonal lea bat I'm sorry, un seasonally
a lot more than normal rain of rain and we
were actually going to get some a bite to eat,
and they thunder lightning hit my car and it was
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like next to you, right next to the car, and
I felt it in my spine and I was like,
that was Gabby telling us to wake up. I knew it,
like I knew it right then and there, like that's
Gabby coming to tell me, like we need to we
need to start moving along.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
And but look what's happened since.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
But she well she sends me signs all the time.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
No, no's not I mean, but look what's happened since Gabby?
You know all that happened. You see more missing person flyers,
you know, on your social media feeds than you ever
have before. You see more missing person stories come up
on social media, I mean, on the regular mainstream media
than you have before. The Emmanuel Harrold we were talking
about before, you know, stuff like that. You start seeing that.
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You see domestic violence education, you know, programs being more
put into schools and stuff. And that's really because Taran Nikki.
They go across the country talking about education and prevention
anywhere they can go, colleges, high schools, conferences.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
There's a lot of amazing programs out there, but they're
in pockets. So like one town will have an amazing
program and they're working with the DV Organization, but the
next town over is not, and the CV.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Foundation doing well.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
We will have that's on who you ask, because because
it's four of us. Right, So Jim wrote an amazing
first responder program where he goes around teaching firefighters and
emt s as you know, on signs of domestic violence
and how to spot those and give information where to
go if you're in that situation, because that's the number
one thing anyone here like see. That might be the
(41:25):
wrong audience for this, but if you're in a domestic
violent situation that's non violent, does anyone not know where
to go? And don't be afraid. You can raise your
hand if you if you don't know where to call,
we always say the National Domestic Violence Hotline one eight
hundred and seventy nine nine safe is the number that
we like to give out. It's a great starting point.
But most people don't know where to go, all right,
So Jim, he wrote that program, he's going around. Matter
(41:47):
of fact, I think it just went into the fdi
C where it's going to get credited for it. So
that's actually the Jim is absolutely hopefully well.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
He's a first responder. Yeah, and that's what he built
his that's his career and he never received any type
of DV training in his twenty years O wow of
being active surveyed on.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
And that's so critical here because in Moab, where Gabby
was alive with laundry, he domestically assaulted her.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
He slapped her. People saw him do it on main Street.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
And if he would do that in public, literally on
main street, right in the face, what would he do
behind closed doors. So when they were pulled over after that,
Gabby was saying, like, it's really kind of my fault
because I started it, maybe verbally, maybe she said something,
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and then she got beaten and threatened that he was
going to leave with her car and leave her strand,
and she was trying to get back in. I mean,
that is domestic abuse. And some have the cops named
her the aggressor. She's like this big and this big around.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
And she's the aggressor.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
He wasn't much bigger, you know.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
Well, I mean, and the state of Utah, they were
supposed to be utilizing the lethality assessment. They had an
hour and a half with her, they could have utilized it.
It just was not mandated where now it is mandated
in the state of Utah, which we.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Got the law changed. We helped change the law there,
yep ye.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
And in the state of Florida the law.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
We changed the law in Florida. Then we also changed
how missing persons are reported in Florida. And we also
did in national what's called Help Find the Missing Act
for for missing people. So and now we're working on
the lethality assessment we did in Utah in Florida. Is
it October? I think I'm going up to New York. Yes,
we're doing there and then's hopefully get passed in the
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House UH in January for the next session and will
be five laws and four years.
Speaker 5 (44:02):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Wow wow.
Speaker 7 (44:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
What is the name of the foundation for people to
go look at our foundation?
Speaker 3 (44:11):
It's Gabby Potito Founding Gabby Potito Foundation.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
I just wanted to Oh.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
Yeah, but I mean so, so we actually designed shirts
and you can there. We also have a store so
to raise money and it all goes to help with
the foundations. So we're actually wearing two of the shirts.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
That we have on the store three three because I
get my hoodie on because it's cool. He will tell you,
like it's cool.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
So what kind of things do you do? Does the
foundation did well?
Speaker 4 (44:38):
So?
Speaker 2 (44:38):
Jim's got the first Responder program. I do all the
legislative work and then Tara and Nikky go around everywhere. Well,
Tara does all the back end work first.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
I do a lot of the back you know, I
have a career, no paperwork for me, Yeah, so I
take it. I take care of all of the paperwork
and our bookkeeping and and all of that.
Speaker 4 (45:01):
Would you guys be willing to answer questions from the listeners, Absolutely,
but real quick, i'd you like so if I can
just wrote a part so I know, we talked about
Laramie in the beginning and Laradie.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
So Nicki and I are actually going out there next
week again to speak at their luncheon. Last year we
spoke at the and they had a hard time bringing
in people to get to this luncheon. Because Nicki and
I were there, they sold out, so that was amazing.
But when we visited the shelter, they did not have
a security fence, and that was something that was like
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shocking because the survivors that are going there they need
that for their protection. It's about fifty four thousand for
this security fence. So we are we're going to donate
twenty seven thousand from the foundation and now we're trying
to raise the other half. So if you all find
it in your hearts and go to the Gabby Potito
(45:53):
Foundation and just make a donation. You can do it
right through PayPal, put in a message that this is
for Laradise, Laramie or defense, and then we'll make.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Sure it gets Yeah, we're going to make sure that
they have security, like a shoe.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
On top of the twenty seven thousand.
Speaker 4 (46:15):
Who has a question, Sure, y'all go to those mics.
There's one on either side.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Right now.
Speaker 9 (46:23):
I'm going through a situation. My niece, Hailey Rayley, was
murdered by her husband April of this year. I consider
what she was going through was domestic abuse. It wasn't physical,
but it was psychological and her husband had threatened to
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commit suicide for maybe a year or two. We don't
know the whole story. Just like what y'all were talking about.
My niece wasn't found for like four days, but her
husband had committed suicide right next to her. My sister
was informed that nobody had seen her at her office,
and so that started the search for her. But like
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I said, I just wanted to mention my niece's name,
and also I want to get the word out that
physical abuse is not the only domestic abuse, psychological abuse.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
Is just as damning.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
Thank you.
Speaker 9 (47:28):
I want to thank the whole panel, but thank you
for doing what you're doing it and thank you Nancy
for doing this today.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
Yep, I'm so sorry for your loss. And her name
deserves to be heard. Name her story. You know what
creating awareness sometimes is putting those old the stories out there,
and it's not easy, it's difficult. But as we come
together and our hashtag is together, we can. We come
together as communities, we come together with our you know,
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their voices, their voices to be heard.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
Thank you, thank you, yes hi.
Speaker 5 (48:08):
First of all, thank you guys all for being here
and especially you guys for your advocacy and everything.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
It's really inspiring.
Speaker 5 (48:16):
My question, so, I'm young, I'm on social media everything, TikTok.
I remember the news breaking, I remember watching it. I
followed the whole case throughout it, and I know social
media really helped build the case and I think really
helped where you guys are today. But my question is
where do you think the case really would have played
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out if social media wasn't a part of it.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
I don't think we would have found it.
Speaker 3 (48:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
Yeah, to be honest with you, I really don't when
you see and I'm not putting the you know, the
blame on the police. I won't do that because, to
be honest with you, I think they're very overworked, especially
when you start talking small communities like in Moab. There's
nineteen officers that in that precinct.
Speaker 3 (48:59):
Matter of fact, I want to just say, there's nineteen officers.
All of them are new except for one.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
Right, you guess the one.
Speaker 3 (49:07):
The one.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
But when it comes to that, I don't think we
would have found her. And that's that's my opinion because
it was twenty five hundred miles and the way they
handle missing persons sometimes without the FBI getting involved, I
don't think the jurisdictions would have laid.
Speaker 3 (49:23):
So yeah, if you're ever in a situation, use those
used social media.
Speaker 4 (49:28):
I mean that's how as I was saying, red blue
and the thing is there online their social media handle
saw the transit went that was like Gabby's.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
They have never met again.
Speaker 3 (49:38):
The day after Gabby was found, it's it's snow, snow,
so we might not have Yeah, they would have stopped.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
Yeah, so yeah, it wouldn't have seen her until the
snow thought, so, Yeah, answer your question, I don't think
we would have, and it's because of you that we did.
So I thank all of you everyone to be honest
with you, and that's kind of the reason why we
do what we do now, is kind of payback the
help that you guys gave us.
Speaker 3 (50:03):
But we also have tools on our website. So if
your loved one ever does go missing, we have a
list of tools of how to try to get their
story out as much as possible.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
And because you're on social media, I'd like to give
advice to everyone else here as well. Take as many
photos and videos, yes, because in the news or in TikTok, right,
because that's I love TikTok. By the way, it's like
mindless to me, but it's also me, you think. At
the same time, you learn a lot. But the movements
and the body language and the sound of their voice
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helps sell their story. And that sounds horrible, like it
sounds really really miserable to say it like that, but
that's what gets it on the mainstream media to create
that awareness. So annoy your kids and take the videos,
and I do believe it can help if needed.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
Yeah, you're right, and we have those memories.
Speaker 6 (50:54):
Yeah, and I want to piggyback on that because one
thing Nancy and I always do on every investigation re
and post behavior. Gabby was fantastic about posting video. She
was fantastic about taking you know, texting and calling and
checking in, she sent postcards.
Speaker 1 (51:11):
It all stopped.
Speaker 3 (51:12):
Yeah, there you go. That's very probative, Nancy.
Speaker 7 (51:16):
If I could say one thing, the line share. You know,
you hear about a lot of cases in the news.
We cover them, you know, and if it doesn't catch
the media's eye, there's so many homicides that occur that
no one ever, it doesn't make it through one cycle
of the news.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
Here's a little truth for you.
Speaker 7 (51:39):
The line's share of homicides that occur out there are
not stranger on stranger deaths. You know, they paint it
like somebody coming out of a dark alley they're going
to attack in Yes, those who have the line share
of homicides occur with a person you're in relationship with.
They're rooted into astic violence. That's the line shared. The
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ones that we say, yeah, almost ninety percent, and it's
people don't really grasp that. That's why what the potitoes
are doing this idea of getting at the grassroots relative
to the insidious problem. You're literally, and I know this
sounds so roque, but you're literally saving lives by doing this.
(52:25):
If you can head these things off in the future,
people like me that work for medical examiners and corners offices,
we don't have to show up. Wouldn't that be a
beautiful thing that you can take another path? Perhaps, you know,
you don't want people like me showing up, you know,
And unfortunately things get to this point where they boil
over and to those people in Moab, you know, they
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had an opportunity to identify at that moment in time,
and in my opinion, they failed miserably.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
They've actually so you and NICKI were at a conference
where they came to you afterwards.
Speaker 3 (52:58):
And you guys were talking to them and yeah, so
there's a new officer that is in Moab and he's
really trying to revamp their their department.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
They're taking the right.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
Step taking question, Yeah, yeah, what's your question?
Speaker 3 (53:13):
My question is you mentioned that you didn't like Brian
very much. I'm wondering what.
Speaker 9 (53:20):
Was the relationship before they moved to Florida, and do
you believe his moved to Florida with her was to
alienate her from the family.
Speaker 3 (53:30):
So before she moved down to Florida, they took a
cross country trip. They weren't dating at the time they
started dating. I guess on that said trip. The second
they came back is when they moved down to Florida.
And at that point, yes, I do one hundred percent
believe he was trying to isolate her. I had had
a conversation with Gabby and I was like, listen, I
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understand you want to go, and that's great, I said,
but you just took a trip. Maybe try to make
some money before you go down. Plan it so that
you're not just coming going down there and living with
him and his parents and his family. And the next
day they were they were already on their way, which.
Speaker 4 (54:09):
Is classic and domestic abuse to alienate typically the woman
from her family and support grate.
Speaker 1 (54:16):
So, yes, that happens.
Speaker 3 (54:18):
See, that's something I didn't know, so never had any
you know, prevention classes. Never when I went to school,
there was nothing that they didn't teach about domestic violence.
So that's what we're trying to change now because everybody
should learn the red flags. Everybody should learn to teach
their children not to be abusers as well. It's not
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just about being abusive or you know, learning the red
flags not being abusive.
Speaker 2 (54:45):
If you have children in schools, talk to your schools
about these programs, because there are schools that won't allow
us to mention certain things. Like we went down to
a state and they're like, well you can't mention sex.
I'm like, so we can talk. And I don't care
where you sit with you know, politics or other stuff
like I honestly, I just don't care about it. You know,
I care about treating people right, you know, be nice
(55:08):
to people. As long as you do that, you should
be good. And the fact that we don't teach our
children everyone was it's life skill. We teach life skills
like how to cook, how to sew, how about staying alive.
You know, it's a life skill. So these things should
be taught. So if you have talk to your children,
see if they if they're learning about it. If they're not,
(55:28):
send them to our website. Find a different website. I
don't care which one you go. It doesn't have to
be us. Just find a program and talk to them,
maybe show them the documentary, you know, and be like
this can happen to anyone.
Speaker 3 (55:40):
On our website, we have the Gabby Potito Alliance where
it's again together we can So there's other organizations on
there that you can. You can look on their websites
to see if there's any tools that might suit what
you need.
Speaker 2 (55:53):
This is a really cool program called Purple One. I
love talking about this program. It's got nothing to do
with our foundation. It's a really good show. What they
do is if you have a storefront, they'll they'll teach you.
They'll do like a four hour class.
Speaker 3 (56:05):
I think it's a bystander program where it's a four
hour class. It's all online. It's free where they'll teach
you because you might not know what to do. You
have a you have a storefront, so they'll teach you
this bystander program and they'll put you can put a
dot on it. And they might only be allowed to
go to one store. So now if they go to
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this store, they know that they maybe you can get
connected to some resources within that community.
Speaker 2 (56:34):
So if you have community or storefronts, that's a great program.
It's it's nationwide.
Speaker 1 (56:38):
Guys.
Speaker 4 (56:38):
You just had a case like this, the domestic violence
victim was mom took bought and her friend was allowed
to take her to the Indian spice store to pick
up the spices to make the foods.
Speaker 1 (56:53):
The only place she could go. Right, Just what they're
saying that that the Purple.
Speaker 2 (57:00):
Great, It's a fantastic program. Definitely check it out.
Speaker 3 (57:02):
Question.
Speaker 8 (57:04):
I have a fourteen year old and I teach her
all about the red flags and she rolls her eyes
and all of that. But I know that her friends
they don't know anything about that, And how can I
reach them and tell them? Like, I think it's a
good idea, you know, for that, I.
Speaker 4 (57:23):
Think a movie is a great idea, Like Sleeping with
the Enemy with Julia Roberts.
Speaker 1 (57:26):
Oh, I like that.
Speaker 2 (57:30):
That was a brutal one.
Speaker 1 (57:31):
Yeah, yeah, say eh, that really happens.
Speaker 4 (57:36):
I constantly send the children this one is missing, that
one is missing. I'm like, don't do what happened here.
Don't walk to your car across the parking lot by
yourself in the dark.
Speaker 2 (57:48):
Don't this.
Speaker 4 (57:49):
I mean, they're so over it, but I know they
see those texts, so at least they see the headline.
Speaker 1 (57:55):
Just you can't quit.
Speaker 2 (57:56):
You'll find a way and encourage an open relationship with
your kids at all times. My oldest boy and my wife.
I mean, he tells us too much stuff like.
Speaker 3 (58:05):
Oh my god, it's like I don't need to know
this information. But my other one he does not. He's
very quiet and trying to get like I mean, trying
to get answers out of him. Sometimes it's just one word.
I just constantly and trying to have a conversation with
trying to constantly making sure that you know, he knows
I'm always there for him and that the lines of
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communication are open. My other son, who the older one has,
always has his friends over the same thing. I talk
to them. I talk to them. I try to have
their you know, an open conversation with them just as much,
just so that they.
Speaker 1 (58:40):
Know I have a great idea. Tell them about meeting
Gabby's family. Yeah, and about Gabby.
Speaker 3 (58:47):
Oh, we encourage people to use Gabby's story. Oh yeah,
we encourage we encourage law enforcement to use the moebs stuff.
Speaker 2 (58:55):
I mean, it's it's been used around the country.
Speaker 4 (58:57):
So hey, guys, they have literally one more minute, quick question.
Speaker 1 (59:02):
Thank you you will.
Speaker 3 (59:05):
Hi.
Speaker 8 (59:05):
I was just wondering if you guys have had any
conversation or connection with Cassie Brian's sister, because her stories
have teached a lot.
Speaker 3 (59:12):
Did she ever admit to knowing anything. No, we have
not talked to the Laundries except with the deposition, but
that was it and we didn't even talk to them
our lawyers.
Speaker 2 (59:21):
And to be honest with you, I appreciate it, it's
not it doesn't serve us any good anymore. And now
it's about everybody else. So if you have a missing
person's story or you need help getting something out there,
you can reach out. We'll try and get it out there,
you know, and do whatever you can to help as
many people as we can.
Speaker 1 (59:36):
If you didn't get all this information, they have agreed.
I think he agreed while you weren't there.
Speaker 4 (59:43):
Oh, but to come on Crime Stories at your convenience
and put out the websites, the numbers, the everything, and
if you want Twitter, FaceTime, Facebook, give us your questions
and I will send them on to them when they
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join us next week. Because this one hour was really
just not enough, not enough.
Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
So we're also actually doing a five K right now,
so it's a virtual five K. It started already.
Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
I think I could do a virtual fuck yeah, and then.
Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
It's in person. It's up in New York, it's in
Gabby's hometown and that is on September twentieth.
Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
So guys, the message is say her thing, Gabby Petitas,
thank you,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
She is a former prosecutor, legal analysts, host of Crime Stories,
and victim's Advocate. Please welcome Nancy Grace.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
First of all, I want to thank you all for
being up bright and early this morning to be here
with who I consider friends. And you know, you meet
friends in all sorts of ways, but I think friends
that are the closest to me are those that have
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lived through something, lived through something together and come out
on the other side, know, like in the fox hole
with you, right, like people I tried cases with my
longtime investigator, Ernest, my family who went through the murder
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of my fiancee with me. I slept in the bed
with them every night. They tried to feed me, they
helped me get back in school when I dropped out.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
They went through it.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
And we came out the other side. And I am
so happy to introduce to you for incredible friends. First
of all, let me introduce to you Joe and Ta,
the parents, the dad and step of Gabby Patito, for
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all they've been through.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
She actually is gonna leave her pocketbook in a conference room.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
I'm like, Okay, I think I'm right there. You still
want to sit by him?
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Is that? Is that? Okay?
Speaker 4 (02:21):
And I don't know how these two they're just everywhere
I turn there they are.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Okay. First of all, you know she's here. Cheryl McCom.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Sharapow Love is a forensic expert. We have worked together
in Inner City Atlanta since I don't even remember.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
And she is still in law enforcement. And she is
a star of a hit podcast, Zone seven.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
And laugh.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
But not past our colleague, our friend, professor forensics, said
Jacksonville State University, the author of Blood Beneath My Feet
on Amazon and star of body Bags at Joe Scott Morgan.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Joe Scott Morgan.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Now, and there is the power behind the throne right there,
his wife, Kim.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
But let me tell you something, Joe Scott has a.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Very different recollection of our relationship than I do.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Okay. So I was in Atlanta prosecuting so fast I.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Couldn't even keep up with it, Like one hundred and
fifty new felony indictments a week. Wait, that's twice a week,
So three hundred knew a week to be sorted out
by computer to twelve courtrooms, and one prosecutor would handle
all the state's business.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
So needless to say, I was in.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
A hurry, okay, and I needed a death three pool.
I needed to know the details in a murder case.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Is that so unreasonable? So I call the morgue.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
I get some guy who starts some song and dansing,
go why it's not ready.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I'm like, there's a.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Speedy trial demand on this case, and if I don't
try it, it's an automatic acquittal.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Are you familiar with speedy trial demands?
Speaker 4 (04:24):
If the state doesn't try it within two grandjury sessions,
automatic acquittal. And he went, I'm like, he claims I
cursed it him. I don't think that happened, and so
I recall it.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I hung up. He says he hung up on me.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
But that's totally not true. That said renowned author and
death investigator Joe Scott Morgan, forensics expert Cheryl McCollum, and
who I now consider to be friends, Tera and Joseph.
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We got so much to talk about, but don't let
me forget they believe it or not. You know, sometimes
when you go through HGL, you just want to curl
up in a ball.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Guess what they're doing right now.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
They're trying to raise money for somebody else for a
shelter in Laramie, not far from Laramie. It's called Laradise
and for people that are going through the worst that
need help. They're trying to raise money for a fence
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to surround the shelter. You know, a lot of people
that have lived through what they have lived through are
still so engulfed in that process, and I'm just a
at what they are doing.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
So, you know what, I just want to.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Okay, I'm going to get to their foundation and Lara
Dye and everything else they're doing. But I think I,
like you, I'm so close to them. I'm not through
a TV screen right now. I want to start with.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
When you knew.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Something had gone horribly wrong. When I found out that
my fiancee was killed, I just thought that there had
been a car accident. I had no idea that some
guy he didn't know shot him five times and destroyed
my life and ended his life.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
So at first I didn't really get it. How did
that day roll out? Let me start with.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
You, Tim, So Nikki had called us and said, have
you heard from Gabby?
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Gabby's mom?
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Gabby's mom, I'm bonus mom.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
We actually say emotional support human just let you know.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
That's what the FBI called Jim and I. So the
two Bonus parents were emotionally support humans. But anyway, so
that she called Joe and she's like, have you heard
from the kids? Have you heard from Brian or Gabby?
I haven't heard from them in a while. And Joe
immediately was on the phone with We knew she was
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traveling across country, so Joe was on the phone trying
to figure out if we could locate her, locate her van.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Is that normal from Nikki? If she can't find well Abby,
then she calls you guys.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Well, I mean, Gabby was traveling, so we didn't know
how much service that she had, so nothing was normal. Yeah,
but yeah, if there was an issue or anything, yea.
And of course Nikki would always call us and see,
like you know, we would work together as four parents
to try to resolve whatever issue that was going on,
and that was normal. But this was different because we
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couldn't find her, We couldn't figure out where she was,
so Joey started calling everybody. At this point, I was
I didn't think it was serious. I was just like, okay,
all right, well she's out there in the camping and
she's exploring national parks and she's having the time of
her life. Maybe she just doesn't have service.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
How long had it been? How many days?
Speaker 3 (08:34):
That was a couple of days. There was Friday afternoon
where Joe looked at me and he was like, no,
this is this is serious, like this is something something's
not right. And he had a lot of trouble trying
to even report her missing. They would not report her
missing because in the state of Florida, that's where Gabby
was living, you have to report her missing in her
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last known location. At this point we knew her last
no location was in Utah Oat Lake, and in Utah
it is where they reside. So we were having these
issue of trying to get her reported missing. We tried
to call the laundries. We had a friend in insurance
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who kind of got in trouble who gave us their
phone numbers because we did not have their phone numbers.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
That is hard to take in that you couldn't get
a hold of them. Nope, guys, if you don't know
Gabby Bottito beautiful inside and outside.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Takes after her dad.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Well, it's crazy because everybody used to say that she
looked more like me, and I'm like, well, yeah, that's okay,
but I'm like, she's way more beautiful than I.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
But send all this effort and converts her Ford transit
into like a rolling camper and starts on an across
country trip with the boyfriend was really the fiance.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
So they did get engaged, okay, but I I don't
know if it was ever a serious engagement. I had
to asked Gabby about it, and she kind of just
like he didn't ask Joe for her hands in marriage.
And we found out on a Facebook post from Roberta.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
So that would be Roberta Laundry, and that would be
Brian the fiance, Laundry's mother, who have come under quite
a bit of scrutiny the way that they handled the
facts as they progressed. Please jump in, because Brian Laundry
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and Gabby set off on the cross country trip and
then suddenly nobody can hear from Gabby, and then the
next thing you know, the family starts getting these texts
that don't make any sense.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
It would be like if.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
I texted Joe Scott about Cheryl and I said, where
is crime scene analyst Ms? Cheryl McCollum dob like, that's wrong.
Didn't Laundry send a text asking about the grandpa and
called him by his full name. That would be like
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my sister texting me, how is Elizabeth Stokes Grace my mother?
Speaker 1 (11:19):
I'm like, what is wrong with you?
Speaker 4 (11:21):
So they knew immediately this is not her texting. Gabby
was murdered. And if it hadn't been for you guys
putting it out there for social media and more.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
I remember when.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Their handle was red blue and Methane saw a Ford
transit in what is called dispersed camping, which is there's
not an electrical hook up, there's not a porta potty,
there is nothing but you and the critters saw her
Gabby's transit there and called it in and Gabby's remains
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were found.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Brian Laundry murdered her.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
But before he murdered her, he assaulted her on main
street in some little town, and the cot named Gabby
the aggressor, even though witnesses state they saw him it her.
So everything that could go wrong went wrong, and somehow
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the laundryes knew more than you did.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Well hurt no. The person who was responsible came home
back into their house and I think it was twenty
five thousand dollars. You know, they had the right to
check twenty.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Five thousand, and they sent a check for twenty five
thousand dollars to their attorney up in New York, Berdolino,
who then sent it to a defense attorney in Wyoming.
How did they know the location in Wyoming that they
needed to contens attorney?
Speaker 4 (12:57):
You slow down and say that again. So Brian laundry
fiance walked to the door, and but I said, Hey,
where's Gabby?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Actually, no, that's not so he called. He called his
mom on his drive home and they had a long conversation,
and immediately afterwards the parents called Stephen Bertolino, and then
I guess the next day a wire went from the
laundries to Bertolino, and then Bertolino hired some high power
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criminal defense attorney in Wyoming, and that was the retainer
of twenty five thousand dollars. No, I don't know about
anybody in this room. If your child asked you for
a twenty five thousand dollars check, are you guys gonna
ask why?
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Right?
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Just wondering.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
So he actually also called his father, and his father
had said, so this is Christopher Laundry that Gabby was
gone and he needed help. And he tried to say
Gabby was gone, ment that she just ran off, but
he needed twenty five thousand dollars to pay to a
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dot sent Ye had to pay for a high powered
defense attorney, and their attorney, Bertollino, is the one that
signed the retainer, not Brian.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Guys.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
There is no parent child privilege like attorney client privilege,
husband wife privilege, priest parishioner privilege.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
But none of this was revealed.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
What I'm saying is the all out search for Gabby ensues.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
And the whole time.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
The Laundryes allegedly knew Gabby had been murdered.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Do you remember that, Cheryl? Oh?
Speaker 6 (14:43):
I remember, And let me tell you there's no POS
privilege with the pos either.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Listens.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
The first time I ever had a conversation with Joe,
the information I had was incorrect, but the information I
had with he went to their house and knocked on
the door and they wouldn't come to the door, and
I'm like, I'll go with you. I guarantee you they're
coming out because we're gonna set it on fire. Because
let me tell you, Nancy was my prosecutor back in
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the day when we were both in our twenties. Y'all,
we had a good time in Atlanta too, But listen.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
I didn't. I don't know what she's talking about. I
had two night jobs.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
I don't know what she was doing. When I was
teaching school.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
I had one job that I barely worked. I had
some fun.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
But listen.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
What happened.
Speaker 6 (15:34):
I used to be able to work these cases with Nancy,
just work the work and work them.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
And then I had children, and then Nancy had children,
and I'm going to.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
Tell you, thirty days later everything about me.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
It did.
Speaker 6 (15:46):
It changed how I worked every case, especially involving somebody's child.
But when I tell you I would have gone with him,
I would.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Have gone with him, no question about it.
Speaker 6 (15:56):
And I think y'all would have gone with us.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Is that true? Did you go and knock on the door?
Speaker 2 (16:01):
No, I was informed. So we got a call that
Brian was home with the van and Gabby wasn't there.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
How did you find that? Who told you that?
Speaker 2 (16:10):
So when we tried to get Gabby reported, we couldn't. Right,
So it took Nikki begging on the floor of a
precinct in New York to get her finally reported. And
when the report finally went out, they did a welfare check.
I guess at the house and I was going the
next morning, and like around midnight, one o'clock in the morning,
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we get a call from Nicky saying Brian's home with
the van and Gabby's nowhere to be found. And if
I go to the house, I was told I would
be arrested. And so if we didn't have Gabby, me
getting arrested didn't serve a purpose and I needed it.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Told you arrested, I.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Wouldn't been able to contain it, to be honest with you,
and that was sound advice. You know you have who
when listen, I hope no one is in that situation,
you know, But if you have a job to do,
and that is to find your loved one, being put
behind bars isn't gonna help. It's only gonna compound the issue.
So but we were fortunate enough to have four of us,
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and that's because you can't do this on your own,
like you need support systems and stuff like that, right, So, Nikky, Jim, Tara,
to be honest with you, they deserve all the credit.
I bring nothing to the table its letting you know that,
but they really do everything. But they kind of kept
it where it needed to be and where the focus was,
and that was just simply finding Gabby. And that's that's
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what we did.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
With that.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Crime stores with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
When Gabby's remains or were found, was she identified first.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
By her shirt.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
So what had happened was they found her and they
only had minutes to get to because Jim just happened
to be in Wyoming. Uh well no, yeah, he Woming.
We were told to stay in New York. Nick Nikki
was told to stay in New York beause that's where
the investigations started out of. But it was being run
through the FBI in Tampa, so we were told to
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stay there. Jim said, screw it, I'm going to Wyoming,
so he did, and when they found her, they had
I mean they were running to get to Jim because
a few minutes later it hit the news, you know
what I mean. Once they put the tent up, they
would helicopters and stuff. So they did identify her through
her Bunger shirt, which is a local shop in Sable,
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New York. It was like a surf shop.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Okay, I want to follow through what you're saying to
its logical conclusion, because in a case, when you are
building a case, you get a med thousands of facts,
and I call it marshaling. Marshaling your facts and evidence.
You cannot go into a trial, specifically a felony trial scattershot.
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So every fact proves something, and it's your responsibility to
determine what that one fact proves. She was identified by
her shirt? What does that tell me? That tells me
her remains had been left out in dispersed camping, which
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is nothing but wild terrain.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Left there.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
In the hopes that animals would destroy her remains and
that she would never be identified.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Isn't that true, Joe Scott?
Speaker 4 (19:57):
So that one piece of evidence tells me the frame
of mind of the killer. Gabby meant nothing to him.
He just left her there like a pizza box.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (20:11):
And here here's the bit of irony here when you
when you compare what he had done to Gabby and
where he had left her, and you compare and contrast
that with his remains that are found in that swampy area.
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His remains were affected by animal activity in that area,
That which.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Makes me really happy.
Speaker 7 (20:48):
Yeah, And I have to tell you, you know, having followed
it from the forensics perspective, and those the people that
handled Laundry's remains there did a bang up job, you know,
of having to collect because everything was particulated at that
point in time. Again, disbursement, it has to do with
the water. It also has to do with the animal activity.
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I I don't know. I don't want to wax spiritual,
but when I think, you know, for a time, you know,
Gabby became everybody's daughter, and I have a daughter that
looks almost the spitting image of Gabby in it just
broke my heart and generally I can detach myself. As
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horrible as the circumstances were, it felt as though to
me that it was almost an angelic presence, you know,
there with her remains. As crazy as that sounds, that's
the way I've always believed it in my in my mind.
But back to the remains and how her remains were
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treated by him trasting with how his remains were found,
and the corner out there that handled Gabby's remains did
a fantastic job given the isolated area that was out there.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Yeah see, I could appreciate that. But here's the thing. Yeah,
when we went to go pick up her remains. I
can't prove it, you know what I mean, This is
only my opinion. There was paperwork you have to do,
and Gabby's name was misspelled on the paperwork. So he's like,
all right, give me a few and I'm going to
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go redo the paperwork. It goes like ten minutes go by,
he comes back, it's wrong again. Another ten minutes go by,
he comes back and it's finally right, going through the
paperwork whatever. So there for like a half hour before
we get her remains. It's my opinion that he tipped
off the some reporter for some outlet where, because there's
now a picture of me leaving the corner with her remains.
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So it's great of a job that they might have done.
I don't think it. I think that the just had
bad intentions, you know, in terms of getting money and
stuff like that, and that's a shame because that's not
something you want to see.
Speaker 7 (23:11):
One other point adjacent to this that I found fast
Enats talking to Cheryl about this backstage, is that that
corner released a manner of death, which there are five
before a cause of death was ever released, and generally
it does not happen. I'm not saying that that's you know,
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bad and any necessarily, it's just odd because normally you
want to establish the physical funds.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
That's clear for our listeners.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Cause of death is stabbing, choking, poison, asphyxiation, ligatory manual stanulation.
Manner of death is homicide, natural causes, undetermined suicide. I
mean it's different, it's too different categories. But to me,
the fact that her remains were left out in the
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middle of nothing.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I've camped out there and hiked out there.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
There is nothing, but the animals didn't disturb either.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Right, I'm talking about his frame of mind. What can
I prove based on that?
Speaker 1 (24:20):
I get it, just such a callous disregard of her.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
He panicked well, and the fact that he came home
and his mom knew, They knew she was out there,
they knew it. So how is a mother you're okay
with that? How is a mother you know that you're
a woman that's supposed to be your daughter in law,
that has parents, that has siblings. How is a parent
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do you do that? Because I know I would probably
kill my son right then and there.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
How many days passed from the time Laundry came home.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Two. No, they sent the money.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Oh, oh nineteen getting home.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
No, so he sent the money. I think it was
like September one or second when Laundry get home.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
He got home on the first, the first, Yeah, and
he found on the September nineteen, September nineteen.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
So for almost the entire month of December.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
September, yes, thank you.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Of September, the laundries let them hang in the wind
looking for Gabby after they had already paid a defense attorney.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
They actually went. They actually went.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
They actually went camping and had s'mores.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Oh, yes, please tell them.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
They also went camp They also did like a planting
tree type of thing that I don't know what was it.
They uh, a planting class. It was like a couple
hours that they took, which was weird, like you're how
do you do that? Like your that's their frame of
mind too, how do you take Gabby? Was knowing Gabby's
out there, They're going camping, having s'mores, and they're taking
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planting class.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Please tell them about the camping trip.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Well, they had. They went on a camping trip. I
think it was September fifth through the seventh. They changed
the I guess you had to make reservations and whatnot,
and they kind of changed the reservations because Gavey is
no longer there. And the sister, and this is the
part that blows my mind. Right, I'm gonna say this out.
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So the sister, Cassie Laundry, has a couple kids, all right,
and those kids I feel really bad for because they
did nothing wrong and they have to go through lives
knowing that their uncle was a pos. I'm gonna use
that from that one, by the way, I'll want you
know that. And the mom let her grandkids hang out
with someone who just killed who's supposed to be the
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love of their life. Would you guys do that? By
showy hands? Would anybody allow that to happen? Yet?
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Like no, that is disgusting to be trying to get
past the smores. R Rember, I did buy a shirt
which tells me the state of her remains.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
They couldn't say how to do the shirt.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
They're lying there in dispersed camping and Laundry's family. He
gets home on September one and they go on a
camping trip. I wonder if they thought their house was
bugged or something. But they go on a camping trip
and sit around the campfire and go hiking and have s'mores.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Can I jump in?
Speaker 1 (27:33):
What?
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Can I jump in?
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (27:35):
Remember she changed the reservation.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yes, yeah, it was supposed to be two.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
They went to three.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
I wholeheartedly believed they were going to sit around and
plan his escape.
Speaker 7 (27:46):
Right, I think answer for Tom. I remember being on
crime Stories when you we had actually speculated that they
had purchased some kind of cheap kayak get him into
the waterway, remember this, and that he was going to
you know, kind of vanish into the population in Tampa
and maybe get into a homeless area. We speculated about
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this fort.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
To that, We looked at routes how he could go.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
They did get new phones, new simcards, knew everything, you
know a couple of days before. Doesn't we have a
conspiracy theory, all of us? Oh yeah, there's a video
of them going to at and T getting.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
New phones, found sim cards, still plan his escape.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
But here so well, now, Bertolino, they're a lawyer in
New York is a real estate attorney.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
He's not a criminal attorney.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
He's not a criminal attorney real estate. So was they
trying to get the escape where he was going to
stay in one of his houses.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
See, I don't think an escape was ever in the cards.
I really don't in all honestly, like, I don't, And
this is my opinion. I think the four of us
share it. You know, I don't think Brian killed himself.
I we all think the mom did it.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Yes, we do have.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
I don't have the stones to do it himself.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
Let me just say, no one has been named a
person of interest or a suspect.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
But I did say.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Everyone has presumed innocent until praving Gilts.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
I did say, this is my opinion, all right, And yeah,
I don't think he had the stones to do it.
I mean when you add this, so, there's some things
that just don't add up to me.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
You mean, like how they went walk when everybody had
been looking for laundry's remains and they walked.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
I'm talking before that. So Brian drove to the to
the to the spot whatever with his car, right, yeah,
So the Miacahatchie Creek right or whatever.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
It was there on a thousand acres of Mosquito.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
So he drove his Mustang there and I guess like
two days went past and it was it three days
three days past, and the parents brought the car home.
Now it's not around the corner. This is a good
distance from their house.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
It's going to leave him out there.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
So, yeah, he doesn't have his keys, he doesn't have
a wallet, he doesn't have a phone. How is he
going to get home? Why would you take the car back?
Why would you take his only mode of transportation?
Speaker 1 (30:03):
The parents ever been charged?
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Well, well, listen, at the end of the day, it
wouldn't have served us any good. Yeah, we've had a
moment of yeah, you know, that's great, But right after
that moment, we're back to this sucks, you know what
I mean. So, but Nikky Tarrant and Jim myself, I mean,
we kind of banded together and tried to use our
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tragedy to help others because Gaby really touched so many people,
and it'd be wasteful and shameful to not utilize what
she went through to spotlight on how so many others
go through it. Domestic violence is a crazy thing that
no one likes to talk about. Can I curse? Can
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I can I curse? Hears that?
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Talk about it? Talk about it like I'm dead, worrious,
like enough. Real, the shame of domestic violence belongs to
the pos that does it and not the people that
have it done too, all right, And so if you
hear or know or see or it went through, you
put that shame where it belongs on the abuser, because
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that's the piece that deserves it.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Right on crime stories with Nancy Grace, what leads you
to believe that all along the laundries in you Gabby
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had been killed and did nothing?
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Of course, in our jurisprudence, you do not have the
duty to act.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
You don't have the dity to save somebody, to report anything.
You may have a fiduciary duty if you like, if
it's your child, or if you have a contractual agreement,
like you're a babysitter or a granny, nanny or a custodian,
But other than that, you don't have a duty to
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report anything to the police at all if you don't
want to. In this case, what other evidence exists to
suggest that they took part in a cover up.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Or is there any Well, I'll tell you how we
got there, and this is because of their attorney, Stephen Berdollino.
It's how we got there, and this is why when
you commit a crime, you don't hire a real estate attorney.
I just want that to be sounded. Vice. We had
our attorney, Patrick Riley, who, by the way, is an
amazingly handsome guy. I think my wife would leave me
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for him. He wasn't married because she listen, he's tall,
he's handsome, he's really tan. It's fantastic anyway. So he
was looking for a reason of how to bring that suit,
because what happened was when everything was done, the FBI said,
we want you to go after them civilly because you
can get depositions, and those depositions we could use because
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they would be public. So we said absolutely, but to
build a criminal case.
Speaker 7 (33:11):
So he needed.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
A reason to go after them. And what he went
after them with is the words from Stephen Bertolino that
we hope Abbey's reunited with their family. By the way,
in court, they turned around and said, oh, we never
meant her living. It could have been her corpse that
we met. That was that's what they said in court.
By the way, those mastards right, screw them. But it
was because of their attorney that's what we got those depositions,
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and they thought it was funny In those depositions, Like
the mom was laughing, Roberta was laughing, like it was
a freaking joke.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
What everything just so that a whole burn after reading
letter that she had wrote to Brian. We don't know
when she said. It was right before the trip we have,
we don't We still don't know when. She was laughing
The entire just a joke. Everything in that letter, me burying,
you know, helping you hide a body. Oh, that's it's
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it's a children's book, from a children's book.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
ROBERTA.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
Laundry wrote a letter to Brian Laundry offering to help
bury or hide a body, and the letter said burn
after reading.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
And according to ROBERTA. Laundry, what was the excuse?
Speaker 3 (34:29):
It was from a children Oh yeah, it was a
children's book. So it was just an inside joke that
they had, you know, just something really funny. And but
her and Brian were having difficulties before they before they
Gabby and him left on the trip, so she was
writing it to him to try to let him know
how much she loved him.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
I've never offered to burn a body for my bury
a body, and I mean I never thought to say something.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
So it's like Norman Bates like that she would wash
him in a tub and stuff, like as a teenager.
It's horrible.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
She is that was the mastermind? Like she was just
just sitting there at a deposition and they wanted us
to feel sorry for them.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Why do you say that?
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Because they said it. Berlina was like they had pitchforks
in front of our house. There were so many people
with pitchforks, and you know that was so unfair to
us that they Why were they doing that to us?
Are you kidding? Why didn't we go to them and
try to, you know, have a relationship with them.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Where does any legal actions stand now?
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Right now? Will the civil cases done? We had to
settle because of a law in Florida where if they
offer a settlement and you go to trial, if you
turn it down, and you turn it down and you
go to trial and they the jury awards you only
seventy five percent of that, you are you have to
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pay all of their legal fees. Yeah, today, it's kind
of a way to make you settle so you don't
go to trial. Then there's the other issue of freedom
of speech, where they would have appealed and we probably
would have lost. We got the information we wanted. We
wanted them to be deposed. We wanted to see what
they were going to say in the depositions. We got all.
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We got those answers and that's all we wanted. We
Once we settled with them, it was like a huge
weight kind of lifted off my shoulders. I just want
to forget about them. I don't want to think about them.
I have really crazy thoughts of like what I would
like to do to them, but.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Sometimes want to lay that out because I'm annoying, is anything.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
So we after we got the depositions, we sent it
over to the FBI because Christopher Laundry had stated that
Gabby was gone in the depositions and that you know
she They thought she just ran off and that's you
know why. But they did not do anything that was
that was it.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Did you guys have any idea that Gabby was being beaten?
Speaker 2 (37:22):
It's other than the mo app stop.
Speaker 8 (37:24):
No.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
To be honest with you, we did.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
I did not like Brian why. I had co signed
a car for Gabby before she even reunited with Brian
and they started dating again. This is when we were
trying to get her to go to school and she
needed a car, and I was like, I'll co sign
this car for you. And but you're making the payments,
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you're going to school, and you're making the payments. I'm
just here, God forbid, you need something to help. And
you know she wouldn't have got the loan otherwise. Well,
when her and Brian left to moved down to Florida
after their first trip, pretty much all payments had stopped.
She stopped making car payments. She wound up returning the
car early to get the van and stuck me with
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a thirty two hundred dollars bill to return the car early.
At this point, I'm like, why isn't Brian helping her.
They're a couple, they're engaged to be married. Like there's
some there's something not right there going on all these trips,
and I just felt something was off. I had felt
something I have. I guess like visions a lot. You
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know you were talking about the spiritual aspects. I do
get visions and sometimes they come true, and there's a
god of questions regarding that.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
Do either of you feel that you have felt Gabby's
presence or communicated with her in any way since she
went to heaven?
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (38:53):
What happened.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
I guess signs from her all the time. I actually so,
I felt her presence when we're sleeping. I would feel
like she was going to try to walk into our
room all the time and want to hug us. And
I actually went to a psychic medium and they were like,
you need to just go to sleep so she can,
And they had no idea that I felt that they
had done. I didn't say it during this, no one
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would know that. He didn't even know that.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Well, I have a deal with this, all right, Listen.
I don't mess with ghosts. Ghosts, don't mess with me.
We're good to go. I don't. I don't know. Uh.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
When she was when we were trying to report her missing,
there was a lot of rain and a lot of
thunder and we had just moved down to Florida. It
was like an unseasonal lea bat I'm sorry, un seasonally
a lot more than normal rain of rain and we
were actually going to get some a bite to eat,
and they thunder lightning hit my car and it was
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like next to you, right next to the car, and
I felt it in my spine and I was like,
that was Gabby telling us to wake up. I knew it,
like I knew it right then and there, like that's
Gabby coming to tell me, like we need to we
need to start moving along.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
And but look what's happened since.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
But she well she sends me signs all the time.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
No, no's not I mean, but look what's happened since Gabby?
You know all that happened. You see more missing person flyers,
you know, on your social media feeds than you ever
have before. You see more missing person stories come up
on social media, I mean, on the regular mainstream media
than you have before. The Emmanuel Harrold we were talking
about before, you know, stuff like that. You start seeing that.
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You see domestic violence education, you know, programs being more
put into schools and stuff. And that's really because Taran Nikki.
They go across the country talking about education and prevention
anywhere they can go, colleges, high schools, conferences.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
There's a lot of amazing programs out there, but they're
in pockets. So like one town will have an amazing
program and they're working with the DV Organization, but the
next town over is not, and the CV.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Foundation doing well.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
We will have that's on who you ask, because because
it's four of us. Right, So Jim wrote an amazing
first responder program where he goes around teaching firefighters and
emt s as you know, on signs of domestic violence
and how to spot those and give information where to
go if you're in that situation, because that's the number
one thing anyone here like see. That might be the
(41:25):
wrong audience for this, but if you're in a domestic
violent situation that's non violent, does anyone not know where
to go? And don't be afraid. You can raise your
hand if you if you don't know where to call,
we always say the National Domestic Violence Hotline one eight
hundred and seventy nine nine safe is the number that
we like to give out. It's a great starting point.
But most people don't know where to go, all right,
So Jim, he wrote that program, he's going around. Matter
(41:47):
of fact, I think it just went into the fdi
C where it's going to get credited for it. So
that's actually the Jim is absolutely hopefully well.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
He's a first responder. Yeah, and that's what he built
his that's his career and he never received any type
of DV training in his twenty years O wow of
being active surveyed on.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
And that's so critical here because in Moab, where Gabby
was alive with laundry, he domestically assaulted her.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
He slapped her. People saw him do it on main Street.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
And if he would do that in public, literally on
main street, right in the face, what would he do
behind closed doors. So when they were pulled over after that,
Gabby was saying, like, it's really kind of my fault
because I started it, maybe verbally, maybe she said something,
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and then she got beaten and threatened that he was
going to leave with her car and leave her strand,
and she was trying to get back in. I mean,
that is domestic abuse. And some have the cops named
her the aggressor. She's like this big and this big around.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
And she's the aggressor.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
He wasn't much bigger, you know.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
Well, I mean, and the state of Utah, they were
supposed to be utilizing the lethality assessment. They had an
hour and a half with her, they could have utilized it.
It just was not mandated where now it is mandated
in the state of Utah, which we.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Got the law changed. We helped change the law there,
yep ye.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
And in the state of Florida the law.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
We changed the law in Florida. Then we also changed
how missing persons are reported in Florida. And we also
did in national what's called Help Find the Missing Act
for for missing people. So and now we're working on
the lethality assessment we did in Utah in Florida. Is
it October? I think I'm going up to New York. Yes,
we're doing there and then's hopefully get passed in the
(43:56):
House UH in January for the next session and will
be five laws and four years.
Speaker 5 (44:02):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Wow wow.
Speaker 7 (44:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
What is the name of the foundation for people to
go look at our foundation?
Speaker 3 (44:11):
It's Gabby Potito Founding Gabby Potito Foundation.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
I just wanted to Oh.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
Yeah, but I mean so, so we actually designed shirts
and you can there. We also have a store so
to raise money and it all goes to help with
the foundations. So we're actually wearing two of the shirts.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
That we have on the store three three because I
get my hoodie on because it's cool. He will tell you,
like it's cool.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
So what kind of things do you do? Does the
foundation did well?
Speaker 4 (44:38):
So?
Speaker 2 (44:38):
Jim's got the first Responder program. I do all the
legislative work and then Tara and Nikky go around everywhere. Well,
Tara does all the back end work first.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
I do a lot of the back you know, I
have a career, no paperwork for me, Yeah, so I
take it. I take care of all of the paperwork
and our bookkeeping and and all of that.
Speaker 4 (45:01):
Would you guys be willing to answer questions from the listeners, Absolutely,
but real quick, i'd you like so if I can
just wrote a part so I know, we talked about
Laramie in the beginning and Laradie.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
So Nicki and I are actually going out there next
week again to speak at their luncheon. Last year we
spoke at the and they had a hard time bringing
in people to get to this luncheon. Because Nicki and
I were there, they sold out, so that was amazing.
But when we visited the shelter, they did not have
a security fence, and that was something that was like
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shocking because the survivors that are going there they need
that for their protection. It's about fifty four thousand for
this security fence. So we are we're going to donate
twenty seven thousand from the foundation and now we're trying
to raise the other half. So if you all find
it in your hearts and go to the Gabby Potito
(45:53):
Foundation and just make a donation. You can do it
right through PayPal, put in a message that this is
for Laradise, Laramie or defense, and then we'll make.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Sure it gets Yeah, we're going to make sure that
they have security, like a shoe.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
On top of the twenty seven thousand.
Speaker 4 (46:15):
Who has a question, Sure, y'all go to those mics.
There's one on either side.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Right now.
Speaker 9 (46:23):
I'm going through a situation. My niece, Hailey Rayley, was
murdered by her husband April of this year. I consider
what she was going through was domestic abuse. It wasn't physical,
but it was psychological and her husband had threatened to
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commit suicide for maybe a year or two. We don't
know the whole story. Just like what y'all were talking about.
My niece wasn't found for like four days, but her
husband had committed suicide right next to her. My sister
was informed that nobody had seen her at her office,
and so that started the search for her. But like
(47:11):
I said, I just wanted to mention my niece's name,
and also I want to get the word out that
physical abuse is not the only domestic abuse, psychological abuse.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
Is just as damning.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
Thank you.
Speaker 9 (47:28):
I want to thank the whole panel, but thank you
for doing what you're doing it and thank you Nancy
for doing this today.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
Yep, I'm so sorry for your loss. And her name
deserves to be heard. Name her story. You know what
creating awareness sometimes is putting those old the stories out there,
and it's not easy, it's difficult. But as we come
together and our hashtag is together, we can. We come
together as communities, we come together with our you know,
(47:58):
their voices, their voices to be heard.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
Thank you, thank you, yes hi.
Speaker 5 (48:08):
First of all, thank you guys all for being here
and especially you guys for your advocacy and everything.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
It's really inspiring.
Speaker 5 (48:16):
My question, so, I'm young, I'm on social media everything, TikTok.
I remember the news breaking, I remember watching it. I
followed the whole case throughout it, and I know social
media really helped build the case and I think really
helped where you guys are today. But my question is
where do you think the case really would have played
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out if social media wasn't a part of it.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
I don't think we would have found it.
Speaker 3 (48:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
Yeah, to be honest with you, I really don't when
you see and I'm not putting the you know, the
blame on the police. I won't do that because, to
be honest with you, I think they're very overworked, especially
when you start talking small communities like in Moab. There's
nineteen officers that in that precinct.
Speaker 3 (48:59):
Matter of fact, I want to just say, there's nineteen officers.
All of them are new except for one.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
Right, you guess the one.
Speaker 3 (49:07):
The one.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
But when it comes to that, I don't think we
would have found her. And that's that's my opinion because
it was twenty five hundred miles and the way they
handle missing persons sometimes without the FBI getting involved, I
don't think the jurisdictions would have laid.
Speaker 3 (49:23):
So yeah, if you're ever in a situation, use those
used social media.
Speaker 4 (49:28):
I mean that's how as I was saying, red blue
and the thing is there online their social media handle
saw the transit went that was like Gabby's.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
They have never met again.
Speaker 3 (49:38):
The day after Gabby was found, it's it's snow, snow,
so we might not have Yeah, they would have stopped.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
Yeah, so yeah, it wouldn't have seen her until the
snow thought, so, Yeah, answer your question, I don't think
we would have, and it's because of you that we did.
So I thank all of you everyone to be honest
with you, and that's kind of the reason why we
do what we do now, is kind of payback the
help that you guys gave us.
Speaker 3 (50:03):
But we also have tools on our website. So if
your loved one ever does go missing, we have a
list of tools of how to try to get their
story out as much as possible.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
And because you're on social media, I'd like to give
advice to everyone else here as well. Take as many
photos and videos, yes, because in the news or in TikTok, right,
because that's I love TikTok. By the way, it's like
mindless to me, but it's also me, you think. At
the same time, you learn a lot. But the movements
and the body language and the sound of their voice
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helps sell their story. And that sounds horrible, like it
sounds really really miserable to say it like that, but
that's what gets it on the mainstream media to create
that awareness. So annoy your kids and take the videos,
and I do believe it can help if needed.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
Yeah, you're right, and we have those memories.
Speaker 6 (50:54):
Yeah, and I want to piggyback on that because one
thing Nancy and I always do on every investigation re
and post behavior. Gabby was fantastic about posting video. She
was fantastic about taking you know, texting and calling and
checking in, she sent postcards.
Speaker 1 (51:11):
It all stopped.
Speaker 3 (51:12):
Yeah, there you go. That's very probative, Nancy.
Speaker 7 (51:16):
If I could say one thing, the line share. You know,
you hear about a lot of cases in the news.
We cover them, you know, and if it doesn't catch
the media's eye, there's so many homicides that occur that
no one ever, it doesn't make it through one cycle
of the news.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
Here's a little truth for you.
Speaker 7 (51:39):
The line's share of homicides that occur out there are
not stranger on stranger deaths. You know, they paint it
like somebody coming out of a dark alley they're going
to attack in Yes, those who have the line share
of homicides occur with a person you're in relationship with.
They're rooted into astic violence. That's the line shared. The
(52:02):
ones that we say, yeah, almost ninety percent, and it's
people don't really grasp that. That's why what the potitoes
are doing this idea of getting at the grassroots relative
to the insidious problem. You're literally, and I know this
sounds so roque, but you're literally saving lives by doing this.
(52:25):
If you can head these things off in the future,
people like me that work for medical examiners and corners offices,
we don't have to show up. Wouldn't that be a
beautiful thing that you can take another path? Perhaps, you know,
you don't want people like me showing up, you know,
And unfortunately things get to this point where they boil
over and to those people in Moab, you know, they
(52:47):
had an opportunity to identify at that moment in time,
and in my opinion, they failed miserably.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
They've actually so you and NICKI were at a conference
where they came to you afterwards.
Speaker 3 (52:58):
And you guys were talking to them and yeah, so
there's a new officer that is in Moab and he's
really trying to revamp their their department.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
They're taking the right.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
Step taking question, Yeah, yeah, what's your question?
Speaker 3 (53:13):
My question is you mentioned that you didn't like Brian
very much. I'm wondering what.
Speaker 9 (53:20):
Was the relationship before they moved to Florida, and do
you believe his moved to Florida with her was to
alienate her from the family.
Speaker 3 (53:30):
So before she moved down to Florida, they took a
cross country trip. They weren't dating at the time they
started dating. I guess on that said trip. The second
they came back is when they moved down to Florida.
And at that point, yes, I do one hundred percent
believe he was trying to isolate her. I had had
a conversation with Gabby and I was like, listen, I
(53:51):
understand you want to go, and that's great, I said,
but you just took a trip. Maybe try to make
some money before you go down. Plan it so that
you're not just coming going down there and living with
him and his parents and his family. And the next
day they were they were already on their way, which.
Speaker 4 (54:09):
Is classic and domestic abuse to alienate typically the woman
from her family and support grate.
Speaker 1 (54:16):
So, yes, that happens.
Speaker 3 (54:18):
See, that's something I didn't know, so never had any
you know, prevention classes. Never when I went to school,
there was nothing that they didn't teach about domestic violence.
So that's what we're trying to change now because everybody
should learn the red flags. Everybody should learn to teach
their children not to be abusers as well. It's not
(54:40):
just about being abusive or you know, learning the red
flags not being abusive.
Speaker 2 (54:45):
If you have children in schools, talk to your schools
about these programs, because there are schools that won't allow
us to mention certain things. Like we went down to
a state and they're like, well you can't mention sex.
I'm like, so we can talk. And I don't care
where you sit with you know, politics or other stuff
like I honestly, I just don't care about it. You know,
I care about treating people right, you know, be nice
(55:08):
to people. As long as you do that, you should
be good. And the fact that we don't teach our
children everyone was it's life skill. We teach life skills
like how to cook, how to sew, how about staying alive.
You know, it's a life skill. So these things should
be taught. So if you have talk to your children,
see if they if they're learning about it. If they're not,
(55:28):
send them to our website. Find a different website. I
don't care which one you go. It doesn't have to
be us. Just find a program and talk to them,
maybe show them the documentary, you know, and be like
this can happen to anyone.
Speaker 3 (55:40):
On our website, we have the Gabby Potito Alliance where
it's again together we can So there's other organizations on
there that you can. You can look on their websites
to see if there's any tools that might suit what
you need.
Speaker 2 (55:53):
This is a really cool program called Purple One. I
love talking about this program. It's got nothing to do
with our foundation. It's a really good show. What they
do is if you have a storefront, they'll they'll teach you.
They'll do like a four hour class.
Speaker 3 (56:05):
I think it's a bystander program where it's a four
hour class. It's all online. It's free where they'll teach
you because you might not know what to do. You
have a you have a storefront, so they'll teach you
this bystander program and they'll put you can put a
dot on it. And they might only be allowed to
go to one store. So now if they go to
(56:28):
this store, they know that they maybe you can get
connected to some resources within that community.
Speaker 2 (56:34):
So if you have community or storefronts, that's a great program.
It's it's nationwide.
Speaker 1 (56:38):
Guys.
Speaker 4 (56:38):
You just had a case like this, the domestic violence
victim was mom took bought and her friend was allowed
to take her to the Indian spice store to pick
up the spices to make the foods.
Speaker 1 (56:53):
The only place she could go. Right, Just what they're
saying that that the Purple.
Speaker 2 (57:00):
Great, It's a fantastic program. Definitely check it out.
Speaker 3 (57:02):
Question.
Speaker 8 (57:04):
I have a fourteen year old and I teach her
all about the red flags and she rolls her eyes
and all of that. But I know that her friends
they don't know anything about that, And how can I
reach them and tell them? Like, I think it's a
good idea, you know, for that, I.
Speaker 4 (57:23):
Think a movie is a great idea, Like Sleeping with
the Enemy with Julia Roberts.
Speaker 1 (57:26):
Oh, I like that.
Speaker 2 (57:30):
That was a brutal one.
Speaker 1 (57:31):
Yeah, yeah, say eh, that really happens.
Speaker 4 (57:36):
I constantly send the children this one is missing, that
one is missing. I'm like, don't do what happened here.
Don't walk to your car across the parking lot by
yourself in the dark.
Speaker 2 (57:48):
Don't this.
Speaker 4 (57:49):
I mean, they're so over it, but I know they
see those texts, so at least they see the headline.
Speaker 1 (57:55):
Just you can't quit.
Speaker 2 (57:56):
You'll find a way and encourage an open relationship with
your kids at all times. My oldest boy and my wife.
I mean, he tells us too much stuff like.
Speaker 3 (58:05):
Oh my god, it's like I don't need to know
this information. But my other one he does not. He's
very quiet and trying to get like I mean, trying
to get answers out of him. Sometimes it's just one word.
I just constantly and trying to have a conversation with
trying to constantly making sure that you know, he knows
I'm always there for him and that the lines of
(58:25):
communication are open. My other son, who the older one has,
always has his friends over the same thing. I talk
to them. I talk to them. I try to have
their you know, an open conversation with them just as much,
just so that they.
Speaker 1 (58:40):
Know I have a great idea. Tell them about meeting
Gabby's family. Yeah, and about Gabby.
Speaker 3 (58:47):
Oh, we encourage people to use Gabby's story. Oh yeah,
we encourage we encourage law enforcement to use the moebs stuff.
Speaker 2 (58:55):
I mean, it's it's been used around the country.
Speaker 4 (58:57):
So hey, guys, they have literally one more minute, quick question.
Speaker 1 (59:02):
Thank you you will.
Speaker 3 (59:05):
Hi.
Speaker 8 (59:05):
I was just wondering if you guys have had any
conversation or connection with Cassie Brian's sister, because her stories
have teached a lot.
Speaker 3 (59:12):
Did she ever admit to knowing anything. No, we have
not talked to the Laundries except with the deposition, but
that was it and we didn't even talk to them
our lawyers.
Speaker 2 (59:21):
And to be honest with you, I appreciate it, it's
not it doesn't serve us any good anymore. And now
it's about everybody else. So if you have a missing
person's story or you need help getting something out there,
you can reach out. We'll try and get it out there,
you know, and do whatever you can to help as
many people as we can.
Speaker 1 (59:36):
If you didn't get all this information, they have agreed.
I think he agreed while you weren't there.
Speaker 4 (59:43):
Oh, but to come on Crime Stories at your convenience
and put out the websites, the numbers, the everything, and
if you want Twitter, FaceTime, Facebook, give us your questions
and I will send them on to them when they
(01:00:05):
join us next week. Because this one hour was really
just not enough, not enough.
Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
So we're also actually doing a five K right now,
so it's a virtual five K. It started already.
Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
I think I could do a virtual fuck yeah, and then.
Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
It's in person. It's up in New York, it's in
Gabby's hometown and that is on September twentieth.
Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
So guys, the message is say her thing, Gabby Petitas,
thank you,
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