December 9, 2025 • 43 mins
New details emerge in Anna Kepner's alleged murder during a family court hearing regarding Thomas Hudson’s emergency petition for custody of the 9-year-old daughter he shares with Shauntel Hudson.
Hudson is concerned for his daughter's safety under Shauntel Hudson and Christopher Kepner’s care, due to their failure to closely supervise their older children during the cruise Thomas didn’t want the children to take.
Shauntel, Anna's stepmom, confirms her 16-year-old son is the only suspect in Anna’s murder, her younger brother Connor having been cleared of any potential wrongdoing.
Hudson’s lawyer says they are unsure if the FBI will press federal charges or hand the potential murder case over to state authorities.
Shauntel also testifies their 16-year-old son is staying with her relatives after his hospital release from psychiatric observation and claims he will NOT be returning to the home she shares with Christopher Kepner and the remaining three children, even in the event the FBI concludes their investigation without charges.
Shauntel’s oldest son, Andrew, testifies his mother allowed him to drink alcohol in the past, a story corroborated by Shauntel’s stepmother, Sonya Ziske.
Ziske witnessed Shauntel's pour herself and both of her sons, 16 and 14 at the time, a shot of liquor.
Joining Nancy Grace:
- Spencer Aronfeld - Trial lawyer and Founder of Aronfeld Trial Lawyers, Author of illustrated children's book "Sara Rose, Kid Lawyer;" Facebook: Aronfeld Law, Instagram: Aronfeld_Trial_Lawyers
- Caryn Stark - Forensic Psychologist, Renowned TV and Radio Trauma Expert and Consultant, Instagram: carynpsych, FB: Caryn Stark Private Practice
- Jon Buehler - Former Detective for Modesto Police Department, California (31 years in robbery and homicide), Worked as Detective in the Scott Peterson Investigation
- Dr. Kendall Crowns - Chief Medical Examiner Tarrant County (Ft Worth), Host of Podcast "Mayhem in the Morgue," and Lecturer: Burnett School of Medicine at TCU (Texas Christian University)
- Susan Hendricks - Journalist, Author: “Down the Hill: My Descent into the Double Murder in Delphi;" IG @susan_hendricks X @SusanHendicks
- Krystal Wright - Aunt of Anna Kepner
- Sydney Sumner - Investigative Reporter, 'Crime Stories'
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
The cruise teen cheerleader Anna Kaptner dead from a bar
hold asphyxiation after her stepbrother sixteen, now named a suspect.
We learned he misses, he skips his daily drug cocktail
of meds. Was he on some type of n agitated withdrawal?
(00:32):
And tonight we learn as punishment he's sent to relatives.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Why no charges?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
And the death of a teen girl cheerleader found stuffed
under a twin bed on a cruise I'm Nancy Grace.
This is crime Stories. I want to thank you for
being with us. That little girl stuffed under a cruise
ship bed, wrapped in a blanket mummy.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Style, life is stuffed over her. She quote thought.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
For her life.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
And this is one thing I don't get.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Why am I learning all of these facts from a
seemingly unrelated custody argument. The family dynamic lands this very
very blended family in court fighting over custody of the
younger children straight out to investigative journalist author of Down
(01:34):
the Hill, My Descent into the double murder of del
Fi Susan Hendrix. Why am I having to learn all
of this from a seemingly unrelated custody fight.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Absolutely, and the infighting. It's been going on a while,
and we're getting information from this through that, as you said,
and where is the outrage. I watched the entire hearing.
We're getting bits and pieces. The suspect's older brother, it
stood out to me that he said he was put
in a choke hold, So is that where I'm guessing
that the suspect learned to do that? But you're right, Nancy,
(02:08):
we are only hearing details through this somewhat unrelated hearing.
It's just very complicated, and I feel, you know what's
missing the outrage of this eighteen year old girl Anna.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Yeah, everybody was sitting in court like they were all
on sedatives, talking about custody issues. When Anna, we believe
is either nude or partially nude, dead, wrapped mummy style
in a blanket and stuffed under a twin bed, and
we find out the parents haven't even seen her for
how many hours? To Sidney Summer's joining us in addition
(02:43):
to Susan Sidney Summer, investigative reporter for Crime Stories, Sidney,
how long was it the parents didn't see Anna on
the cruise and didn't check on her?
Speaker 5 (02:55):
Sixteen hours that Anna was not checked on, seen a
lot before her body is found brutally stuffed under that bed,
hidden covered with these life jackets.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Guys, we're only getting dribbles and drabbles of evidence.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Facts that we're learning, including nearly.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
A day passes without the parents checking on Anna, well
the whole time she's dead, her body cooling, decomposing, evidence
drifting away while they're what at the buffet and the bar.
I don't know, but we will find out from all
of the video cameras. I mean, you know, Spencer Aaronfield,
(03:36):
you're the cruise lawyer.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I'll introduce you formuly in a moment.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
But these cruise ships are they're like gambling in Vegas.
It's like you're at NASA. Everywhere you go there's a
video camera. And I want to see that video. Who
went in and out of that cabin where Anna was
found dead? But I want to know what were the
parents doing? The bio dad and the stepmom. What were
they doing for nearly a day without checking on Anna?
Speaker 1 (04:04):
What were they the bar, the buffet?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Round two?
Speaker 6 (04:08):
Most likely Nancy, they were probably at the casino or
in the spa or enjoying themselves. Remember this young lady
was my.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Wait a minute, did you say casino so people can
drink like fish and then bailly up to lose all
their money at a casino?
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Casino?
Speaker 6 (04:26):
Absolutely, I mean these are like floating Las Vegas resorts.
So there are casinos, there are spas, there are numbers
of pools, there are shops, there are tons of restaurants
and most importantly, tons of bars. But this was an
eighteen year old, so probably the level of supervision was
not as intense as it would have been if she
(04:46):
had been fifteen.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Or fourteen or younger than that. Put hell up here.
Speaker 6 (04:52):
I am.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I believe at one juncture you told me you had children,
did you not?
Speaker 7 (04:57):
I do have kids.
Speaker 6 (04:58):
There are adult children.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I can tell you exactly where my eighteen year old
twins are right now. I can tell you how they feel.
They don't have a temperature. Lucy actually has a mild
temperature right now in a little cough. I know exactly
where they are. I don't know what you're even talking about.
You've got a young girl on the high seas. You
know how fast she could be sold into sex slavery.
(05:21):
She's just what those people want her. Oh no, no, no, no, eighteen,
not supervised. You know what I'm calling defects on you
tonight as soon as they get off the air Susan Hendricks.
Nearly a day passes. They don't know where she is.
And in the midst of all this, where are they?
(05:42):
I asked Aaronfield, and he brought up the specter. I
felt I'd seen a monster of a casino. So they
can drink like fish, eat at buffets all day long
and then gamble. Do we have any idea where they
were while Anna was stuffed dead under that twin bed?
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Well we heard this also at the emergency custody hearing,
and a stepmom Chantale said that she went in her
room at seven pm, that she was tired, she was
there for the night, went to sleep, But again we
don't know what she was doing all day. She asked
about gambling. She said that Anna was eighteen, so she
assumed she was in the casino. But again no supervision.
(06:22):
And guess what Nancy? She was asked during this Chantelle
on the stand, is it true that they stayed across
the hall, all of them together, her stepbrother, her biological
brother and her.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
And she said yes. It was recommended by the travel agent.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I heard she tried to blame
the travel agency.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Hold on, I got to go to John Bueller.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Guys, if you don't know the name John Buehler, google it.
As soon as I found out that Lacy Peterson had
disappeared on Christmas Eve while her husband, Scott Peterson was fishing. Yeah,
John Buehler, one of the very first detectives on that case,
(07:06):
worked the case like a dog.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
They're at Modesto PD.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Thirty one year's Robbery Homicide John who gets stolen into
sex slavery on cruises and trips abroad. Hey, forget it
at the Atlanta Airport beautiful young teen girls agree?
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Disagree, Dealer, Oh.
Speaker 7 (07:35):
Totally agree.
Speaker 8 (07:36):
This is the target rich environment when it comes to
the people that are trading in that, and they lure
them with a variety of different promises and things like
that that they find hard to resist, and then all
of a sudden it's too late.
Speaker 7 (07:48):
They're trapped and they can't get get away from it.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Bueler, you know, I've had so many sex trafficking cases,
but one that really shocked me. A young teen girl
goes to daddy and me the dad wants to do
something bond with his daughter. He takes her to a
MAV's game control room. Wasn't it a Mavericks game? They
go to a professional game. He goes to the bathroom,
(08:11):
she goes to concessions. She's lured away. You know how
they found her. A detective like you, by the way,
is trolling online.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
He sees her. She's been missing for days. They think
she's dead.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
She pops up on an internet site in Racie Laningerie,
some hooker site. This little teen girl sex trafficked. I
don't know how many clients she had before she was saved.
So to have your daughter or your son, but your
daughter in the casino where grown men are in.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
There drinking as much as they can and.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Gambling, and then they see Anna Kettner, that is a
recipe for disaster.
Speaker 8 (08:58):
Well just because she's a of course, isn't going to
take her out of the realm of these guys. Any
young girl like this, and especially on a cruise ship
and inhibitions are low, the drinking is high.
Speaker 7 (09:10):
She's ripe to be attacked.
Speaker 8 (09:11):
But of course it goes right back to the main suspect,
the stepbrother on this.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Well, yeah, you're right, she was not sex trafficked.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
We know that, But what I'm saying is there's no supervision. Okay,
how are we finding out all of this information?
Speaker 9 (09:27):
Listen a family court hearing regarding Thomas Hudson's emergency petition
for custody of the nine year old daughter he shares
with Sean Tell Hudson reveals new details and Anna Kuepner's murderer.
Hudson tells the court he's concerned for Brooks safety under
Chantell Hudson and Christopher Keepner's care due to their failure
to supervise their children during the cruise. Thomas didn't want
(09:48):
the children to take Shan Tell Hudson testifies her sixteen
year old son staying with relatives after his release from
psychiatric observation.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Oh my goodness, let me understand something minute.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Susan Hendricks, the judge in this hearing, confirmed the teen
step brother is the main suspect in Anna's choke hold asphyxiation.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
That's the murder. There's no two ways around it.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Choke cold asphyxiation, her neck covered in bruises, and his
punishment is how he has to go with with relatives.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
That's the punishment.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Yeah, even Chantelle, and the suspect's mom said that when
she was on the studie, Sean, why.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Are you referring to her as Chantelle? You're on a
first name basis.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
No, it's confusing to any other Chantelle stepmother correct. Correct,
And the mother of the suspect, she was on the
stand and did say he was the only one scene
in and out. It's like they're all in agreement that, yeah,
he's the main suspect. Why isn't he arrested. He's staying
with her relatives, just staying there, chatting on the phone.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Okay, still, I don't know how to say this without
my head exploding. But Karen Stark, I'm gonna use some
Karen Stark psycho talk.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
That's sending the wrong message.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
He's a suspect and a brutal murder of a little
teen cheerleader who's stuffed under the twin bed. Nobody knows
he's missing for nearly a day. Nobody checks on her.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
There she is.
Speaker 9 (11:24):
He is a.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Suspect, and he is quote sent to live with relatives.
That's his punishment.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
I might as well just sit him in the corner.
Speaker 10 (11:31):
Well as you could tell Nancy something that is really
wrong here, and that's to say it mithly with the parents.
They didn't supervise enough, and what is he doing at
a relatives. I'm particularly concerned because there were two nights
where he did not take his insomnia medicine, which is
cleonapin and clonipin. Is something especially for a teenager who
(11:56):
has ADHD, which allegedly he has. It's not a good
thing to start the client and that there's a rebound effect.
He could have all of a sudden be out of control,
not make wise decisions, be impulsive. So even there, something
was very, very wrong with this family supervising this boy,
(12:19):
or all of them.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
I guess you know.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
You said that they didn't supervise enough. They didn't supervise
at all. I know for nearly a day they didn't
supervise Anna because they didn't know she was dead, her
body stuffed under a twin bed. Let's jump to the
fact that this teen step brother suspect skipped his daily
(12:46):
drug cocktail Listen.
Speaker 11 (12:49):
Hudson admits my son missed two dozes of his night
prescription for insomnia clonidine. Sean Tell Hudson testify she carried
her son's medication dispensing it to him at the appropriate.
Speaker 9 (12:59):
Timesana Dyne is prescribed to manage high blood pressure ADHD
or withdrawal symptoms. It's also often used off label as
a sleep aid. While Klanadyne doesn't have serious side effects,
abruptly stopping can lead to a rebound in blood pressure, sweating,
and agitation.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Could I hear the word agitation causes agitation?
Speaker 1 (13:21):
To doctor Kendall Crowns joining us.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
He is a renowned chief medical examiner in Terrance County.
That's fort Worth, never a lack of business, as I
like to say.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
He is the esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
At TCU, and he is the star of a hit
new podcast which I have played on Loop.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Please I need a new one.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
By the way, feed my addiction to may him in
the Morgue, Doctor Kendl Crowns.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
I have cross examined many.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
A doctor, which is hard to do because we lawyer
really don't know what we're talking about when we talk
about meds or operations or medical examiners autopsies. We're just
reading your reports and extrapolating. But I learned how to
read the side effects of various drugs, and I'm pretty
(14:20):
sure that agitation can be a side effect to this
particular drug. What does that mean if he skipped his
daily meds, what would happen as a withdrawal? And is
agitation a side effect of this particular drug.
Speaker 12 (14:42):
So the answer is yes. Clonidine is used to treat
ADHD and hyper or high blood pressure. When you stop
taking it, you get rebound headaches and you also get irritability,
mood swings, agitation, and it kind of increasing in your
ADHD symptoms coming back. So one of the symptoms of
(15:02):
not taking it is irritability and mood swings with frustration.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Can you say the part about frustration again?
Speaker 12 (15:10):
Uh? Yes, Well, on the one of the side effects
of not taking one of the withdrawal symptoms is frustration
or irritating. Become irritated by minor things quite easily, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
I'm just thinking this through and I want to circle
back to Susan Hendrix, who's joining US investigative reporter. We're
learning a lot of information from this emergency custody hearing,
which the judge denied by the way the bio dad
is trying to get the younger children away from Sean
(15:42):
tel Hudson. That's Anna's stepmother and Anna's bio dad.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
They're married, Christopher Kepner.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
The bio dad is trying to get his younger children.
Is Thomas Hudson away from Chantelle Hudson, and they're duking
it out. It's become a mud fight, a mud slinging
showdown in the courtroom, and we're learning this evidence. So
so far we have learned under Chantelle Hudson's watch, the stepmother,
(16:18):
no one was supervising Anna. Nearly a day passes, and
nobody has even seen her much less know whether she's
at a bar, at a restaurant, face down in the pool,
at a casino. Nobody knows where she is. She's actually
stuffed under a twin bed dead. The step brother, now
(16:39):
murder suspect, according to the judge, missed two days of
his daily cocktail of drugs meds he's prescribed. And we
know that there was a prior altercation that the boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Of Anna Kapner observed, he saw it.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Could you describe what Anna's boyfriend saw the attack by
the step brother on Anna and the parents did nothing.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Yes, they were on a FaceTime call and apparently they
were talking for a long time, she fell asleep and
did all of a sudden, he sees now this respect.
The stepbrother come in, tried to get on top of Anna,
and he said on FaceTime the ex boyfriend, now, what
are you doing? Get off of her. He even went
to the parents and said, this is happening. No, it's not,
(17:34):
he said. They ignored him and the warnings, so it's
not like nothing had ever happened before this happened. The
ex boyfriend went to the parents and said, this is happening.
You have to do something, and they did nothing. As
I mentioned Chantelle, the stepmom who was on the stand,
she was asked about that. Oh no, I called them
the three amigo's best of friends. Did she forget that
(17:57):
that incident happened in denial of it?
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I think so. Let's hear it from the horse's mouth.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
This is Anna's ex boyfriend, her little teen ex boyfriend,
and according to the boyfriend and.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
His father, they warned the bio dad listen, she.
Speaker 13 (18:16):
Just didn't feel safe around him. She's scared to tell
anybody because she was scared that he would do something
to her.
Speaker 9 (18:22):
Joshua too, says Anna's close relationship with her stepbrother was
one sided. The sixteen year old is obsessed with Anna
and made her uncomfortable with romantic advances. He once even
caught him trying to climb into Anna's bed while the
two were on FaceTime, Anna already asleep.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
He said that I tried to tell the parents that
this was happening, and they didn't want to believe me.
Speaker 14 (18:46):
He's like infatuated, attracted her, like crazy.
Speaker 7 (18:49):
He's always wanted the dat.
Speaker 15 (18:50):
Chris doesn't realize it's his fault. This whole thing is
his fault. If he would have taken the warnings that
Anna's ex boyfriend gave him, then she would still be here,
So keep that in mind.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Christopher from Inside Edition at Just Mom nineteen eighty four
on TikTok, she's dead, stuffed under a cruise ship bed
and had two bruises on the side of her name.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
There are so many confusing details.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
About this cap.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Spencer Arundale joining us is so called cruise lawyer. He
is not only a veteran trial lawyer, he is an
author and he is the founder of the Erinfeil trial
lawyer firm. Spencer, I want to talk to you about
a very serious issue. It came up during the hearing.
(19:51):
The parents, the stepmother, and biodad vehemently deny it. But
ken underage miners get alcohol on craze.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
Ships absolutely, Nancy. There's a thousand and one ways that
an underage miner can obtain alcohol on a Carnival cruise.
Number one is Carnival conserve it to them, either accidentally
or on purpose. I've seen it both ways. Another passenger
can give them alcohol or here is one of the
most common ways is they sneak it on board. There
(20:28):
are hundreds of videos on TikTok of inventive passengers who
have found ways to sneak alcohol on board Carnival cruise ships.
They put it in mouthwash, they put it in feminine
hygiene packages, they reseal them, they re label them. So
it wouldn't surprise me at all if there is going
(20:50):
to be a positive alcohol finding in this case. The
majority of cases that I had in my thirty five
years of suing Carnival involve the assumption of alcohol.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Crime stories.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
With Nancy, Grace, Susan Hendrix, the stepmother, and the biodad,
they insist none of the teens had alcohol. But I
want to circle back to clonidine. I've researched it and
I'm going to throw this to you. Doctor Kendall Crown's
joining as Chief Medical Exemiter Terran County. Agitation as a
(21:32):
withdrawal system quote is critical not to stop taking clonidine
abruptly as it can lead to withdrawal reaction, a rapid
dangerous increase in blood pressure, agitation, nervousness, headache, tremor, shaking, hands,
pounding or fast heartbeat. And he missed I believe two
(21:53):
days of his drug cocktail that he was prescribed and
now she's dead.
Speaker 12 (22:01):
It's correct. So the withdrawal symptoms start occurring immediately, but
in twenty four to forty eight hours, they're going to
be increasing over that time period and becoming worse. So
all those things you're describing, the headaches, the nervousness, the
agitation and frustration are all going to be compounding as
well as as ADHD symptoms whatever those may be, may
be coming back as well. So he may be having
(22:24):
psychomotor disturbances or like he can't sit still or he
can't control his thoughts and thoughts are racing, and all
that's going to be occurring during these two days and
becoming worse the longer he's off the medication. So the
more time, the worse the symptoms, and.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Any potential alcohol consumption is only gas on the fire.
I've got another issue, and what we're talking about is
no supervision of these teams.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
I want you to hear what the.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Younger brother says happens the night Anna is murdered.
Speaker 14 (23:00):
Anna's brother heard a heated argument between them in their
cabin the night before Anna was found dead. He heard
the stepbrother yelling at Anna. The sounds of furniture overturning
and screams from inside their room.
Speaker 13 (23:12):
He heard him yelling at her like in a harmful
way of like shut the hell up and stuff like that,
Like something was like banging around and stuff, and like
the chairs were getting thrown around in the room.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Now, that is Anna Kettner's little Egg's boyfriend, and he
learned that information obviously from the younger brother. That's from
our friend's inside edition. So John Buehler, former homicide detective,
the younger brother, I believe he's fourteen. What coward in
the hallway, because what we're learning is right across the hallway.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
All he had to do is.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
At stepmom's door, but he didn't Where were they? Why
couldn't he go to the biodet and a stepmom? Why
where were they back at the buffet?
Speaker 8 (24:06):
Yeah, it looks to me like there was complete lack
of supervision and they had a lot of warning signs
coming up on this. They should have known that there
was friction between our cheerleader victim and this step brother.
They saw it, they heard it from her ex boyfriend.
And even in spite of that, why would you put
these two teens together in a room?
Speaker 7 (24:25):
It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
Speaker 8 (24:28):
Complete lack of any type of responsibility on the part
of the parents from what we've seen. Now, maybe there's
things we don't know about, but there's also going to
be problems with the case when it comes to a
variety of different things that have popped up that are
going to frustrate investigators.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Now again, Chantelle HUD's and the stepmother and Christopher Ketner
and as biodet, they're Mary now insists nobody drank.
Speaker 11 (24:55):
Listen on the stand. Chantell hudson't testifies her sixteen year
old's sig was not allowed to consume alcohol during the cruise.
Chantelle's oldest son, Andrew, testifies his mother allowed him to
drink alcohol in the past, a story corroborated by Chantelle's
stepmother Sonya Zisk. Zisk witnessed Chantelle pour herself and both
of her sons, sixteen and fourteen at the time, a
(25:16):
shot of liquor because they wanted to know how it tasted.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
They wanted to know how it tasted, So Mom pours
them a shot of liquor. Okay, normally, many people say,
not judging Karen Stark, when you mix liquor alcohol with clonadine,
what happens.
Speaker 10 (25:40):
Well, then the symptoms are exacerbated for sure, Nancy, because
you've become much more uninhibited. Think about what alcohol does
to you. Then you're adding on the fact that this
boy did not take his medications. If he did have
alcohol and he has hormones that are raging sixteen years old,
(26:02):
that's a very dangerous situation. And it's so surprising to me.
I have to agree that anyone would ever let this
boy be in a cabin with an eighteen year old
beautiful stepsister, not a bio sister, which also could be
a problem. But this is a stepsister and he apparently
(26:25):
is attracted to her, but I'm not surprised about that.
He's sixteen and he doesn't make great decisions. He has
ADHD for executive functioning. So this was a disaster waiting
to happen.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
You know.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I know that Santelle Hudson and the biodat, Christopher Kepner,
are insisting that the travel agent arranged the location of
the room and did not get adjoining rooms. And I'm
going to go into that in just a moment, but
I'm trying to figure out the step brother, the little brother,
(27:03):
the fourteen year old is hearing chairs being thrown again
around and the sixteen year old yelling shut the hell
up at Anna when you hear a physical fight going on.
The little fourteen year old brother standing out in the hall, listening, cowering, afraid.
(27:23):
What time was that, because according to what we are
learning tonight, step mommy and husband were right across the
hall asleep in their cabin.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Is that real?
Speaker 14 (27:41):
Listen questioned about the last time she saw the teens
the night before Anna found dead. Shantell Hudson says, Anna
leaves dinner for her room six pm in pain from
her braces. She last sees the boys an hour later,
returning to her own room seven thirty pm. Neither she
nor Christopher Kaepner check on the teens at all. Anna
isn't seen for more than sixteen hours before her body
(28:04):
is discovered.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Let me understand, Susan Hendrix.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
So, while Anna we believe is getting bar holed asphyxiated
in her own room, what ten.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Feet across the way?
Speaker 2 (28:20):
I mean the hallways are about four feet wide max.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
And they're in the next.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Room over and the little brother standing in the hall
crying and cowering.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
What where were they asleep? Why couldn't he just knock
on the door? What really happened? Why didn't they just
walk across the hall and put it into it? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Why didn't they hear that? And the fourteen year old?
You're right, Nancy, why didn't he just knock on the door.
By the way, the grandparents were one floor above. Could
he run up there? Could he scream out for help?
Speaker 16 (28:54):
Nothing?
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Then he went back in and he didn't see Anna. Meanwhile,
she's dead under the bed.
Speaker 17 (28:59):
We feel there are some circumstances regarding that the sixteen
year old and the mother's judgment regarding that cruise that
would affect you know obviously that her ability to care
for the minor child, the nine year old, the sixteen
year old was allowed to drink. The teenagers were given
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their own room in which to stay. Just a lot
of circumstances that showed that the mother in this case
was not exercising appropriate supervision over this child.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
They've got Anna dad stuffed under a bed.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
They've got the sixteen year old reportedly a target. Everybody
now asking these questions, a stepbrother being a suspect, What
is the truth?
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Why no charges?
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Tonight we understand the sixteen year old stepbrother a suspect
and teen cheerleader Anna Kettner's death the bar hold a
six siation of a little girl. Even though he is
the only target, the only suspect of this juncture, he
has not been arrested, He is not in custody. As punishment,
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he has been sent to quote live with relatives. Okay.
Tonight we learn that the stepmother, Chantelle Hudson, and Anna
his biodad Christopher Kepner, place the blame of the rooming
arrangement on the travel agent.
Speaker 18 (30:34):
Listen, so this is what it looks like in the
rooms when you have the two twins whereas the other
one is the one king. The only difference is obviously
that put those two in the middle and the two.
Speaker 19 (30:46):
Side tables go on the end.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
I'll double back to my room just to show you.
Speaker 19 (30:50):
But again this is the interior of six' two o.
Nine the king bed is in six two, fifteen totally adjoining.
Rooms So i'll shuffe back to mine really. Quick so
again that's the king bed with the two side tables
and the two beds pushed.
Speaker 9 (31:06):
Together carnival provides options for family, lodging including adjoining, interior,
balcony ocean view and cove rooms on nearly every. Deck
in the Family harbor section of the ship caters to
parents with children that.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
From Ask cooks on.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
YouTube but, Again hudson And kepner lay the blame on
the sleeping arrangements on the travel agent Listen.
Speaker 11 (31:30):
Chantelle hudson testifies their travel agent recommended Teens Anna connor
and her sixteen year old son share a room While
hudson And christopher K captner sleep across the hall with
younger Daughters brook And. Kylie hudson says the teens were
all for, it describing them as the three. Amigos hudson
claims all three teens were to wear Grandparents barbara And
Jeffrey kapner had an extra bed in their room and
(31:52):
someone could sleep with.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Them WHEN i was looking at the layout that we
just showed, You i'm, Saying King Sidney, sumner the adjoining
rooms are highly, popular and as a matter of, fact
On carnival, cruises there's a whole area of the ship
the cruise ship that caters too children that are traveling with,
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parents and it's a very common feature adjoining.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Rooms isn't that?
Speaker 3 (32:20):
True, yes it's very common Across carnival cruise ships on the.
Horizon nearly every single deck has adjoining rooms available to,
passengers but they do sell out really. Quickly carnival says
these are their most popular, rooms and they encourage people
to book early if they're wanting accommodations like that because
(32:41):
they sell out so.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Quickly we are also, learning As Susan hendricks has told
us about a very contentious custody hearing and an emergency
hearing relating to taking the younger children away From Seantel
hudson listen to this arrangement.
Speaker 14 (32:58):
Despite their written custody. Arrangement thomas Testifies chantell agrees to
exchange his then doesn't bring the children at the stipulated.
Times When chantelle does show With Christopher kepner in, Tow
kepner is the one to approach him and say the
children don't want to. Go thomas claims he gets no
unsupervised contact with the children and can hear them in
the background on speaker As chantell And chris tell him
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they don't want to speak to.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Him crime stores With Nancy.
Speaker 11 (33:31):
Grace shortly after his mom's, Move andrew says Shan tell
And kepner unexpectedly pick him up from. School in the,
Car chantell turns his phone, off explains they're heading To.
Titusville andrew says he doesn't want to. Go the sixteen
year old tries to get out of the, stoplight But
chantell And kepner put him in a chow called nearly
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half an. Hour when they, Arrive andrew immediately calls his
where a dad who couldn't Reach andrew for hours after
the school notified. Him the team was picked, up drives
four hours round trip to return To shake And andrew.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Home Saysan, HENDRICKS i need a flow chart to figure
out who is who what? Happened AND i hear that
disturbing phrase choke hold used.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
Again, yeah the suspected killer here at all of. This
his older, Brother andrew eighteen years, old said that he
was picked. Up it sounds like this has been going
on for quite a, while this nasty back and, forth testy.
Speaker 20 (34:26):
Battle he was picked. Up he, said, NO i don't
want to go to my mom, KEEL i want to
stay with my. Biodebt they say, no you're staying, here
and he was put in a choke. Hold so WHEN
i heard, that WHEN i listened to that emergency, HEARING i,
thought is that what the suspects?
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Saw is that why he knew how to do? That
and what's lost in?
Speaker 7 (34:46):
This?
Speaker 4 (34:46):
Again nancy Is?
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Anna how did she?
Speaker 4 (34:49):
Die how did she literally slip through the cracks with
her parents right across the. Hall even if they just
heard that and didn't believe it from the ex boyfriend
that something went, on you knew that that was in
the back of your, head and you put them in
a room together unsupervised on a.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Cruise it's.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Unforgivable the carnival cruise teen, girl the little, cheerleader thought
for her, life strangled, dead a mechanical.
Speaker 19 (35:15):
Strangulation when is something going to, Happen when is there
going to be an, Arrested when are the answers going
to come?
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Out and what Does Anna, keptner the teen cheerleaders biological,
mother have to say about all of.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
This the relationship between.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Her bio mom and her bio, Dad Christopher, kepner who
was on that cruise with, her apparently across the hall
from her at the time she was strangled, dead has been.
Contentious to put it, Mildly, listen.
Speaker 15 (35:46):
You cheated on me with twenty four other, women Including,
keaby and then he married her after she turned. Eighteen
And i'm not okay with, that mind YOU i say,
that But i'm not mad At. Tabitha tabitha is a great.
Person she was a mother to my daughter WHAT i couldn't.
Speaker 9 (36:04):
Be by the Time anna is, Five Christopher kaepner is
having an affair with a teenage. Babysitter When Tabitha Donna
hugh turns, Eighteen chris marries her and they have two children.
Together heather has a hard time maintaining a relationship With
anna due to the bitter divorce With chris.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
That from at Just mom nineteen eighty four TikTok joining
me right now is the bio, mom the biological mother
Of Anna, ketner the teen cheerleader Sister Crystal, right thank
you for being with, Us Miss.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Wright.
Speaker 10 (36:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 21 (36:39):
Absolutely how is.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
The bio Mom Heather right handling everything that she is
learning about her daughter's.
Speaker 16 (36:52):
DEATH i think you trying to keep it. Together she's
trying to be right for it and make sure that
those that are accountable are held.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Accountable what does she make of the fact there is
no arrest?
Speaker 16 (37:07):
Yet he is beside, Herself but at the same, time she.
Speaker 21 (37:14):
Just trying to tell herself that it's because they want
to make sure they get him properly charged and that
his charge is able to uphold in, court so that
he does take the.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Time joining us to shed some light on this For
Crystal right And Heather right is a renowned cruise line.
Lawyer Is, Spencer Aaronfeld. Spencer right, now there's a game
of hot potato being played between The feds and the.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
State and we don't know who is going to take in.
Jurisdiction what's going? On why they?
Speaker 6 (37:48):
Delay, okay so both the federal government and the state
can simultaneously if they choose to prosecute this young, man
and they both have different. Results he could be acquitted
in one convicted in the. Other and this is exactly what.
Happened if you Recall nancy in The Rodney king, case
(38:09):
he was prosecuted both in the federal and state court
and only was convicted in. One so both of these
prosecutors are probably fighting to have an opportunity to take this,
case and both can't and probably will proceed with this
under the dual sovereignty.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Doctrine, well What i'm curious, About, Spencer Aaron, felden you're
the expert in.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
This what is taking so?
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Long and if the, stepbrother the teen stepbrother off his
meds is the target is the, suspect and they've been
very clear that he is nobody, else why hasn't he been.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Arrested my guess.
Speaker 6 (38:50):
Is they're just trying to get their ducks in a.
Row they may be waiting for the toxicology, report so you,
KNOW i would rather them wait and get it together
and get it right then rush to file this and
risk the chance it might get dismissed on some.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Technicality or We're, spencer the defense could always slap the
state with a speedy trial, demand which means the state's
got to go forward within the next two typically next
two grand jury, sessions and if the state's not ready
when the charges are, brought they may face an acquittal
if there was a speedy trial.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Demand so you're.
Speaker 7 (39:28):
Right, right and you're.
Speaker 6 (39:30):
Right and THEN i hate to say, this but in
the midst of, all this Was, Thanksgiving christmas In New
YEAR'S i hate to think they're waiting to get through
the holidays to do, this but that is SOMETHING i
see frequently where they're, saying you know, what we'll tackle
this the beginning of twenty twenty, Six so there's that.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Possibility oh my, STARS i hope you're.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
WRONG i mean To crystal, right this Is anna's maternal, Aunt.
Crystal the thought that everybody's taking a break Everything christmas
And thanksgiving instead of handling this. Case that's disturbing To heather's.
Understanding what has she been? Told certainly law enforcement has
(40:10):
Briefed Anna kaptner's biological mother about what.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Happened yet, No heather doesn't know anything.
Speaker 21 (40:15):
Said she finds out from the.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
News she just sits and waits for the.
Speaker 5 (40:19):
News that is.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Horrible no one is speaking to her and telling her
what happened to her. Daughter isn't it, True, crystal that
the Biomom Heather right had to sneak into her own daughter's?
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Memorial she.
Speaker 21 (40:35):
Did chris had told her that if she attempted to
come that he was going to have her arrested for
back to hold support.
Speaker 7 (40:40):
THEM i trying to call me and get a hold
of me and.
Speaker 10 (40:42):
Anything when she. DIED i found out.
Speaker 7 (40:44):
Through The, Google heather.
Speaker 11 (40:46):
Says on top of Discovering anna died Through internet searches
instead of her, Father captainer also told her she wasn't
welcome At anna's celebration of life. Service she Claims captainer
threatened to have her arrested were a disguise to her
own daughter's memorial to she could say goodbye and. Peace
there is not mentioned In anna's obituary.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
From which two that is.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
HEARTBREAKING i mean to, You John, buehler you are a
veteran homicide.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Detective can that be true.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
That the non custodial biological mother is calling law enforcement
asking about what happened to her daughter and they won't.
Speaker 8 (41:24):
Tell, well it's certainly true that that can happen depending
on the detective you're dealing. With some have a little
bit more heart than others and are maybe willing to
talk to. Them but there may be some efforts by
the prosecutor to, say, hey, look we got to keep
some of this stuff under close to the vest and
we don't want you.
Speaker 7 (41:42):
Talking to these.
Speaker 8 (41:42):
People but it really doesn't take into the human account
that you have to have for victims' families when it
comes to these. THINGS i know from personal, experience getting
a lot of family members involved can create some friction
in the, investigation but they have enough with on their
hands with a crime scene that was probably. Compromise you
got family loyalties that are conflicting with the, truth, interviews
(42:04):
and all sorts of. Things this really is a salad
bowl of all sorts of things that are difficult to
work with when you're putting a murder case.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Together the biological mother Hether, right has had nothing but
trouble since her split With.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Christopher Captain, Listen.
Speaker 15 (42:23):
Christopher made it next to impossible for me to have
a relationship with my. Daughter he made it extremely hard
for me to see. Her he would ignore my phone,
calls not Tell anna they, called and then call like
a week and a half two weeks later And, anna
(42:43):
like my. Mind he called, me And i'm, Like i've
been calling. You you didn't get any of my. Voicemails
your dad didn't let you listen to. Him, no he,
said you didn't called.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
Tonight if you know or think you know anything about
the death of teen Girl, Anna, captain please dial seven
five four seven zero three two, thousand anything that's been,
said anything that you've, learned if you were on the
cruise and you observe something seven five four seven zero
(43:14):
three two. Thousand we remember An American Hero, Officer Austin Cooley,
kaufman P D, texas just twenty, seven killed in the
line of, duty leaving behind his wife turned widow and
a three month old baby. Girl American Hero Officer Austin
(43:35):
Muley Nancy gray signing off goodbye.
Speaker 13 (43:39):
Friend
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
The cruise teen cheerleader Anna Kaptner dead from a bar
hold asphyxiation after her stepbrother sixteen, now named a suspect.
We learned he misses, he skips his daily drug cocktail
of meds. Was he on some type of n agitated withdrawal?
(00:32):
And tonight we learn as punishment he's sent to relatives.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Why no charges?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
And the death of a teen girl cheerleader found stuffed
under a twin bed on a cruise I'm Nancy Grace.
This is crime Stories. I want to thank you for
being with us. That little girl stuffed under a cruise
ship bed, wrapped in a blanket mummy.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Style, life is stuffed over her. She quote thought.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
For her life.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
And this is one thing I don't get.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Why am I learning all of these facts from a
seemingly unrelated custody argument. The family dynamic lands this very
very blended family in court fighting over custody of the
younger children straight out to investigative journalist author of Down
(01:34):
the Hill, My Descent into the double murder of del
Fi Susan Hendrix. Why am I having to learn all
of this from a seemingly unrelated custody fight.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Absolutely, and the infighting. It's been going on a while,
and we're getting information from this through that, as you said,
and where is the outrage. I watched the entire hearing.
We're getting bits and pieces. The suspect's older brother, it
stood out to me that he said he was put
in a choke hold, So is that where I'm guessing
that the suspect learned to do that? But you're right, Nancy,
(02:08):
we are only hearing details through this somewhat unrelated hearing.
It's just very complicated, and I feel, you know what's
missing the outrage of this eighteen year old girl Anna.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Yeah, everybody was sitting in court like they were all
on sedatives, talking about custody issues. When Anna, we believe
is either nude or partially nude, dead, wrapped mummy style
in a blanket and stuffed under a twin bed, and
we find out the parents haven't even seen her for
how many hours? To Sidney Summer's joining us in addition
(02:43):
to Susan Sidney Summer, investigative reporter for Crime Stories, Sidney,
how long was it the parents didn't see Anna on
the cruise and didn't check on her?
Speaker 5 (02:55):
Sixteen hours that Anna was not checked on, seen a
lot before her body is found brutally stuffed under that bed,
hidden covered with these life jackets.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Guys, we're only getting dribbles and drabbles of evidence.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Facts that we're learning, including nearly.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
A day passes without the parents checking on Anna, well
the whole time she's dead, her body cooling, decomposing, evidence
drifting away while they're what at the buffet and the bar.
I don't know, but we will find out from all
of the video cameras. I mean, you know, Spencer Aaronfield,
(03:36):
you're the cruise lawyer.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I'll introduce you formuly in a moment.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
But these cruise ships are they're like gambling in Vegas.
It's like you're at NASA. Everywhere you go there's a
video camera. And I want to see that video. Who
went in and out of that cabin where Anna was
found dead? But I want to know what were the
parents doing? The bio dad and the stepmom. What were
they doing for nearly a day without checking on Anna?
Speaker 1 (04:04):
What were they the bar, the buffet?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Round two?
Speaker 6 (04:08):
Most likely Nancy, they were probably at the casino or
in the spa or enjoying themselves. Remember this young lady
was my.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Wait a minute, did you say casino so people can
drink like fish and then bailly up to lose all
their money at a casino?
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Casino?
Speaker 6 (04:26):
Absolutely, I mean these are like floating Las Vegas resorts.
So there are casinos, there are spas, there are numbers
of pools, there are shops, there are tons of restaurants
and most importantly, tons of bars. But this was an
eighteen year old, so probably the level of supervision was
not as intense as it would have been if she
(04:46):
had been fifteen.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Or fourteen or younger than that. Put hell up here.
Speaker 6 (04:52):
I am.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I believe at one juncture you told me you had children,
did you not?
Speaker 7 (04:57):
I do have kids.
Speaker 6 (04:58):
There are adult children.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I can tell you exactly where my eighteen year old
twins are right now. I can tell you how they feel.
They don't have a temperature. Lucy actually has a mild
temperature right now in a little cough. I know exactly
where they are. I don't know what you're even talking about.
You've got a young girl on the high seas. You
know how fast she could be sold into sex slavery.
(05:21):
She's just what those people want her. Oh no, no, no, no, eighteen,
not supervised. You know what I'm calling defects on you
tonight as soon as they get off the air Susan Hendricks.
Nearly a day passes. They don't know where she is.
And in the midst of all this, where are they?
(05:42):
I asked Aaronfield, and he brought up the specter. I
felt I'd seen a monster of a casino. So they
can drink like fish, eat at buffets all day long
and then gamble. Do we have any idea where they
were while Anna was stuffed dead under that twin bed?
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Well we heard this also at the emergency custody hearing,
and a stepmom Chantale said that she went in her
room at seven pm, that she was tired, she was
there for the night, went to sleep, But again we
don't know what she was doing all day. She asked
about gambling. She said that Anna was eighteen, so she
assumed she was in the casino. But again no supervision.
(06:22):
And guess what Nancy? She was asked during this Chantelle
on the stand, is it true that they stayed across
the hall, all of them together, her stepbrother, her biological
brother and her.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
And she said yes. It was recommended by the travel agent.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I heard she tried to blame
the travel agency.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Hold on, I got to go to John Bueller.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Guys, if you don't know the name John Buehler, google it.
As soon as I found out that Lacy Peterson had
disappeared on Christmas Eve while her husband, Scott Peterson was fishing. Yeah,
John Buehler, one of the very first detectives on that case,
(07:06):
worked the case like a dog.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
They're at Modesto PD.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Thirty one year's Robbery Homicide John who gets stolen into
sex slavery on cruises and trips abroad. Hey, forget it
at the Atlanta Airport beautiful young teen girls agree?
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Disagree, Dealer, Oh.
Speaker 7 (07:35):
Totally agree.
Speaker 8 (07:36):
This is the target rich environment when it comes to
the people that are trading in that, and they lure
them with a variety of different promises and things like
that that they find hard to resist, and then all
of a sudden it's too late.
Speaker 7 (07:48):
They're trapped and they can't get get away from it.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Bueler, you know, I've had so many sex trafficking cases,
but one that really shocked me. A young teen girl
goes to daddy and me the dad wants to do
something bond with his daughter. He takes her to a
MAV's game control room. Wasn't it a Mavericks game? They
go to a professional game. He goes to the bathroom,
(08:11):
she goes to concessions. She's lured away. You know how
they found her. A detective like you, by the way,
is trolling online.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
He sees her. She's been missing for days. They think
she's dead.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
She pops up on an internet site in Racie Laningerie,
some hooker site. This little teen girl sex trafficked. I
don't know how many clients she had before she was saved.
So to have your daughter or your son, but your
daughter in the casino where grown men are in.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
There drinking as much as they can and.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Gambling, and then they see Anna Kettner, that is a
recipe for disaster.
Speaker 8 (08:58):
Well just because she's a of course, isn't going to
take her out of the realm of these guys. Any
young girl like this, and especially on a cruise ship
and inhibitions are low, the drinking is high.
Speaker 7 (09:10):
She's ripe to be attacked.
Speaker 8 (09:11):
But of course it goes right back to the main suspect,
the stepbrother on this.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Well, yeah, you're right, she was not sex trafficked.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
We know that, But what I'm saying is there's no supervision. Okay,
how are we finding out all of this information?
Speaker 9 (09:27):
Listen a family court hearing regarding Thomas Hudson's emergency petition
for custody of the nine year old daughter he shares
with Sean Tell Hudson reveals new details and Anna Kuepner's murderer.
Hudson tells the court he's concerned for Brooks safety under
Chantell Hudson and Christopher Keepner's care due to their failure
to supervise their children during the cruise. Thomas didn't want
(09:48):
the children to take Shan Tell Hudson testifies her sixteen
year old son staying with relatives after his release from
psychiatric observation.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Oh my goodness, let me understand something minute.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Susan Hendricks, the judge in this hearing, confirmed the teen
step brother is the main suspect in Anna's choke hold asphyxiation.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
That's the murder. There's no two ways around it.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Choke cold asphyxiation, her neck covered in bruises, and his
punishment is how he has to go with with relatives.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
That's the punishment.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Yeah, even Chantelle, and the suspect's mom said that when
she was on the studie, Sean, why.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Are you referring to her as Chantelle? You're on a
first name basis.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
No, it's confusing to any other Chantelle stepmother correct. Correct,
And the mother of the suspect, she was on the
stand and did say he was the only one scene
in and out. It's like they're all in agreement that, yeah,
he's the main suspect. Why isn't he arrested. He's staying
with her relatives, just staying there, chatting on the phone.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Okay, still, I don't know how to say this without
my head exploding. But Karen Stark, I'm gonna use some
Karen Stark psycho talk.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
That's sending the wrong message.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
He's a suspect and a brutal murder of a little
teen cheerleader who's stuffed under the twin bed. Nobody knows
he's missing for nearly a day. Nobody checks on her.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
There she is.
Speaker 9 (11:24):
He is a.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Suspect, and he is quote sent to live with relatives.
That's his punishment.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
I might as well just sit him in the corner.
Speaker 10 (11:31):
Well as you could tell Nancy something that is really
wrong here, and that's to say it mithly with the parents.
They didn't supervise enough, and what is he doing at
a relatives. I'm particularly concerned because there were two nights
where he did not take his insomnia medicine, which is
cleonapin and clonipin. Is something especially for a teenager who
(11:56):
has ADHD, which allegedly he has. It's not a good
thing to start the client and that there's a rebound effect.
He could have all of a sudden be out of control,
not make wise decisions, be impulsive. So even there, something
was very, very wrong with this family supervising this boy,
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or all of them.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
I guess you know.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
You said that they didn't supervise enough. They didn't supervise
at all. I know for nearly a day they didn't
supervise Anna because they didn't know she was dead, her
body stuffed under a twin bed. Let's jump to the
fact that this teen step brother suspect skipped his daily
(12:46):
drug cocktail Listen.
Speaker 11 (12:49):
Hudson admits my son missed two dozes of his night
prescription for insomnia clonidine. Sean Tell Hudson testify she carried
her son's medication dispensing it to him at the appropriate.
Speaker 9 (12:59):
Timesana Dyne is prescribed to manage high blood pressure ADHD
or withdrawal symptoms. It's also often used off label as
a sleep aid. While Klanadyne doesn't have serious side effects,
abruptly stopping can lead to a rebound in blood pressure, sweating,
and agitation.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Could I hear the word agitation causes agitation?
Speaker 1 (13:21):
To doctor Kendall Crowns joining us.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
He is a renowned chief medical examiner in Terrance County.
That's fort Worth, never a lack of business, as I
like to say.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
He is the esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
At TCU, and he is the star of a hit
new podcast which I have played on Loop.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Please I need a new one.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
By the way, feed my addiction to may him in
the Morgue, Doctor Kendl Crowns.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
I have cross examined many.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
A doctor, which is hard to do because we lawyer
really don't know what we're talking about when we talk
about meds or operations or medical examiners autopsies. We're just
reading your reports and extrapolating. But I learned how to
read the side effects of various drugs, and I'm pretty
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sure that agitation can be a side effect to this
particular drug. What does that mean if he skipped his
daily meds, what would happen as a withdrawal? And is
agitation a side effect of this particular drug.
Speaker 12 (14:42):
So the answer is yes. Clonidine is used to treat
ADHD and hyper or high blood pressure. When you stop
taking it, you get rebound headaches and you also get irritability,
mood swings, agitation, and it kind of increasing in your
ADHD symptoms coming back. So one of the symptoms of
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not taking it is irritability and mood swings with frustration.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Can you say the part about frustration again?
Speaker 12 (15:10):
Uh? Yes, Well, on the one of the side effects
of not taking one of the withdrawal symptoms is frustration
or irritating. Become irritated by minor things quite easily, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
I'm just thinking this through and I want to circle
back to Susan Hendrix, who's joining US investigative reporter. We're
learning a lot of information from this emergency custody hearing,
which the judge denied by the way the bio dad
is trying to get the younger children away from Sean
(15:42):
tel Hudson. That's Anna's stepmother and Anna's bio dad.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
They're married, Christopher Kepner.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
The bio dad is trying to get his younger children.
Is Thomas Hudson away from Chantelle Hudson, and they're duking
it out. It's become a mud fight, a mud slinging
showdown in the courtroom, and we're learning this evidence. So
so far we have learned under Chantelle Hudson's watch, the stepmother,
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no one was supervising Anna. Nearly a day passes, and
nobody has even seen her much less know whether she's
at a bar, at a restaurant, face down in the pool,
at a casino. Nobody knows where she is. She's actually
stuffed under a twin bed dead. The step brother, now
(16:39):
murder suspect, according to the judge, missed two days of
his daily cocktail of drugs meds he's prescribed. And we
know that there was a prior altercation that the boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Of Anna Kapner observed, he saw it.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Could you describe what Anna's boyfriend saw the attack by
the step brother on Anna and the parents did nothing.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Yes, they were on a FaceTime call and apparently they
were talking for a long time, she fell asleep and
did all of a sudden, he sees now this respect.
The stepbrother come in, tried to get on top of Anna,
and he said on FaceTime the ex boyfriend, now, what
are you doing? Get off of her. He even went
to the parents and said, this is happening. No, it's not,
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he said. They ignored him and the warnings, so it's
not like nothing had ever happened before this happened. The
ex boyfriend went to the parents and said, this is happening.
You have to do something, and they did nothing. As
I mentioned Chantelle, the stepmom who was on the stand,
she was asked about that. Oh no, I called them
the three amigo's best of friends. Did she forget that
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that incident happened in denial of it?
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I think so. Let's hear it from the horse's mouth.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
This is Anna's ex boyfriend, her little teen ex boyfriend,
and according to the boyfriend and.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
His father, they warned the bio dad listen, she.
Speaker 13 (18:16):
Just didn't feel safe around him. She's scared to tell
anybody because she was scared that he would do something
to her.
Speaker 9 (18:22):
Joshua too, says Anna's close relationship with her stepbrother was
one sided. The sixteen year old is obsessed with Anna
and made her uncomfortable with romantic advances. He once even
caught him trying to climb into Anna's bed while the
two were on FaceTime, Anna already asleep.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
He said that I tried to tell the parents that
this was happening, and they didn't want to believe me.
Speaker 14 (18:46):
He's like infatuated, attracted her, like crazy.
Speaker 7 (18:49):
He's always wanted the dat.
Speaker 15 (18:50):
Chris doesn't realize it's his fault. This whole thing is
his fault. If he would have taken the warnings that
Anna's ex boyfriend gave him, then she would still be here,
So keep that in mind.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Christopher from Inside Edition at Just Mom nineteen eighty four
on TikTok, she's dead, stuffed under a cruise ship bed
and had two bruises on the side of her name.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
There are so many confusing details.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
About this cap.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Spencer Arundale joining us is so called cruise lawyer. He
is not only a veteran trial lawyer, he is an
author and he is the founder of the Erinfeil trial
lawyer firm. Spencer, I want to talk to you about
a very serious issue. It came up during the hearing.
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The parents, the stepmother, and biodad vehemently deny it. But
ken underage miners get alcohol on craze.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
Ships absolutely, Nancy. There's a thousand and one ways that
an underage miner can obtain alcohol on a Carnival cruise.
Number one is Carnival conserve it to them, either accidentally
or on purpose. I've seen it both ways. Another passenger
can give them alcohol or here is one of the
most common ways is they sneak it on board. There
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are hundreds of videos on TikTok of inventive passengers who
have found ways to sneak alcohol on board Carnival cruise ships.
They put it in mouthwash, they put it in feminine
hygiene packages, they reseal them, they re label them. So
it wouldn't surprise me at all if there is going
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to be a positive alcohol finding in this case. The
majority of cases that I had in my thirty five
years of suing Carnival involve the assumption of alcohol.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Crime stories.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
With Nancy, Grace, Susan Hendrix, the stepmother, and the biodad,
they insist none of the teens had alcohol. But I
want to circle back to clonidine. I've researched it and
I'm going to throw this to you. Doctor Kendall Crown's
joining as Chief Medical Exemiter Terran County. Agitation as a
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withdrawal system quote is critical not to stop taking clonidine
abruptly as it can lead to withdrawal reaction, a rapid
dangerous increase in blood pressure, agitation, nervousness, headache, tremor, shaking, hands,
pounding or fast heartbeat. And he missed I believe two
(21:53):
days of his drug cocktail that he was prescribed and
now she's dead.
Speaker 12 (22:01):
It's correct. So the withdrawal symptoms start occurring immediately, but
in twenty four to forty eight hours, they're going to
be increasing over that time period and becoming worse. So
all those things you're describing, the headaches, the nervousness, the
agitation and frustration are all going to be compounding as
well as as ADHD symptoms whatever those may be, may
be coming back as well. So he may be having
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psychomotor disturbances or like he can't sit still or he
can't control his thoughts and thoughts are racing, and all
that's going to be occurring during these two days and
becoming worse the longer he's off the medication. So the
more time, the worse the symptoms, and.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Any potential alcohol consumption is only gas on the fire.
I've got another issue, and what we're talking about is
no supervision of these teams.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
I want you to hear what the.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Younger brother says happens the night Anna is murdered.
Speaker 14 (23:00):
Anna's brother heard a heated argument between them in their
cabin the night before Anna was found dead. He heard
the stepbrother yelling at Anna. The sounds of furniture overturning
and screams from inside their room.
Speaker 13 (23:12):
He heard him yelling at her like in a harmful
way of like shut the hell up and stuff like that,
Like something was like banging around and stuff, and like
the chairs were getting thrown around in the room.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Now, that is Anna Kettner's little Egg's boyfriend, and he
learned that information obviously from the younger brother. That's from
our friend's inside edition. So John Buehler, former homicide detective,
the younger brother, I believe he's fourteen. What coward in
the hallway, because what we're learning is right across the hallway.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
All he had to do is.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
At stepmom's door, but he didn't Where were they? Why
couldn't he go to the biodet and a stepmom? Why
where were they back at the buffet?
Speaker 8 (24:06):
Yeah, it looks to me like there was complete lack
of supervision and they had a lot of warning signs
coming up on this. They should have known that there
was friction between our cheerleader victim and this step brother.
They saw it, they heard it from her ex boyfriend.
And even in spite of that, why would you put
these two teens together in a room?
Speaker 7 (24:25):
It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
Speaker 8 (24:28):
Complete lack of any type of responsibility on the part
of the parents from what we've seen. Now, maybe there's
things we don't know about, but there's also going to
be problems with the case when it comes to a
variety of different things that have popped up that are
going to frustrate investigators.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Now again, Chantelle HUD's and the stepmother and Christopher Ketner
and as biodet, they're Mary now insists nobody drank.
Speaker 11 (24:55):
Listen on the stand. Chantell hudson't testifies her sixteen year
old's sig was not allowed to consume alcohol during the cruise.
Chantelle's oldest son, Andrew, testifies his mother allowed him to
drink alcohol in the past, a story corroborated by Chantelle's
stepmother Sonya Zisk. Zisk witnessed Chantelle pour herself and both
of her sons, sixteen and fourteen at the time, a
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shot of liquor because they wanted to know how it tasted.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
They wanted to know how it tasted, So Mom pours
them a shot of liquor. Okay, normally, many people say,
not judging Karen Stark, when you mix liquor alcohol with clonadine,
what happens.
Speaker 10 (25:40):
Well, then the symptoms are exacerbated for sure, Nancy, because
you've become much more uninhibited. Think about what alcohol does
to you. Then you're adding on the fact that this
boy did not take his medications. If he did have
alcohol and he has hormones that are raging sixteen years old,
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that's a very dangerous situation. And it's so surprising to me.
I have to agree that anyone would ever let this
boy be in a cabin with an eighteen year old
beautiful stepsister, not a bio sister, which also could be
a problem. But this is a stepsister and he apparently
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is attracted to her, but I'm not surprised about that.
He's sixteen and he doesn't make great decisions. He has
ADHD for executive functioning. So this was a disaster waiting
to happen.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
You know.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I know that Santelle Hudson and the biodat, Christopher Kepner,
are insisting that the travel agent arranged the location of
the room and did not get adjoining rooms. And I'm
going to go into that in just a moment, but
I'm trying to figure out the step brother, the little brother,
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the fourteen year old is hearing chairs being thrown again
around and the sixteen year old yelling shut the hell
up at Anna when you hear a physical fight going on.
The little fourteen year old brother standing out in the hall, listening, cowering, afraid.
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What time was that, because according to what we are
learning tonight, step mommy and husband were right across the
hall asleep in their cabin.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Is that real?
Speaker 14 (27:41):
Listen questioned about the last time she saw the teens
the night before Anna found dead. Shantell Hudson says, Anna
leaves dinner for her room six pm in pain from
her braces. She last sees the boys an hour later,
returning to her own room seven thirty pm. Neither she
nor Christopher Kaepner check on the teens at all. Anna
isn't seen for more than sixteen hours before her body
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is discovered.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Let me understand, Susan Hendrix.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
So, while Anna we believe is getting bar holed asphyxiated
in her own room, what ten.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Feet across the way?
Speaker 2 (28:20):
I mean the hallways are about four feet wide max.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
And they're in the next.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Room over and the little brother standing in the hall
crying and cowering.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
What where were they asleep? Why couldn't he just knock
on the door? What really happened? Why didn't they just
walk across the hall and put it into it? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Why didn't they hear that? And the fourteen year old?
You're right, Nancy, why didn't he just knock on the door.
By the way, the grandparents were one floor above. Could
he run up there? Could he scream out for help?
Speaker 16 (28:54):
Nothing?
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Then he went back in and he didn't see Anna. Meanwhile,
she's dead under the bed.
Speaker 17 (28:59):
We feel there are some circumstances regarding that the sixteen
year old and the mother's judgment regarding that cruise that
would affect you know obviously that her ability to care
for the minor child, the nine year old, the sixteen
year old was allowed to drink. The teenagers were given
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their own room in which to stay. Just a lot
of circumstances that showed that the mother in this case
was not exercising appropriate supervision over this child.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
They've got Anna dad stuffed under a bed.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
They've got the sixteen year old reportedly a target. Everybody
now asking these questions, a stepbrother being a suspect, What
is the truth?
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Why no charges?
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Tonight we understand the sixteen year old stepbrother a suspect
and teen cheerleader Anna Kettner's death the bar hold a
six siation of a little girl. Even though he is
the only target, the only suspect of this juncture, he
has not been arrested, He is not in custody. As punishment,
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he has been sent to quote live with relatives. Okay.
Tonight we learn that the stepmother, Chantelle Hudson, and Anna
his biodad Christopher Kepner, place the blame of the rooming
arrangement on the travel agent.
Speaker 18 (30:34):
Listen, so this is what it looks like in the
rooms when you have the two twins whereas the other
one is the one king. The only difference is obviously
that put those two in the middle and the two.
Speaker 19 (30:46):
Side tables go on the end.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
I'll double back to my room just to show you.
Speaker 19 (30:50):
But again this is the interior of six' two o.
Nine the king bed is in six two, fifteen totally adjoining.
Rooms So i'll shuffe back to mine really. Quick so
again that's the king bed with the two side tables
and the two beds pushed.
Speaker 9 (31:06):
Together carnival provides options for family, lodging including adjoining, interior,
balcony ocean view and cove rooms on nearly every. Deck
in the Family harbor section of the ship caters to
parents with children that.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
From Ask cooks on.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
YouTube but, Again hudson And kepner lay the blame on
the sleeping arrangements on the travel agent Listen.
Speaker 11 (31:30):
Chantelle hudson testifies their travel agent recommended Teens Anna connor
and her sixteen year old son share a room While
hudson And christopher K captner sleep across the hall with
younger Daughters brook And. Kylie hudson says the teens were
all for, it describing them as the three. Amigos hudson
claims all three teens were to wear Grandparents barbara And
Jeffrey kapner had an extra bed in their room and
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someone could sleep with.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Them WHEN i was looking at the layout that we
just showed, You i'm, Saying King Sidney, sumner the adjoining
rooms are highly, popular and as a matter of, fact
On carnival, cruises there's a whole area of the ship
the cruise ship that caters too children that are traveling with,
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parents and it's a very common feature adjoining.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Rooms isn't that?
Speaker 3 (32:20):
True, yes it's very common Across carnival cruise ships on the.
Horizon nearly every single deck has adjoining rooms available to,
passengers but they do sell out really. Quickly carnival says
these are their most popular, rooms and they encourage people
to book early if they're wanting accommodations like that because
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they sell out so.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Quickly we are also, learning As Susan hendricks has told
us about a very contentious custody hearing and an emergency
hearing relating to taking the younger children away From Seantel
hudson listen to this arrangement.
Speaker 14 (32:58):
Despite their written custody. Arrangement thomas Testifies chantell agrees to
exchange his then doesn't bring the children at the stipulated.
Times When chantelle does show With Christopher kepner in, Tow
kepner is the one to approach him and say the
children don't want to. Go thomas claims he gets no
unsupervised contact with the children and can hear them in
the background on speaker As chantell And chris tell him
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they don't want to speak to.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Him crime stores With Nancy.
Speaker 11 (33:31):
Grace shortly after his mom's, Move andrew says Shan tell
And kepner unexpectedly pick him up from. School in the,
Car chantell turns his phone, off explains they're heading To.
Titusville andrew says he doesn't want to. Go the sixteen
year old tries to get out of the, stoplight But
chantell And kepner put him in a chow called nearly
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half an. Hour when they, Arrive andrew immediately calls his
where a dad who couldn't Reach andrew for hours after
the school notified. Him the team was picked, up drives
four hours round trip to return To shake And andrew.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Home Saysan, HENDRICKS i need a flow chart to figure
out who is who what? Happened AND i hear that
disturbing phrase choke hold used.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
Again, yeah the suspected killer here at all of. This
his older, Brother andrew eighteen years, old said that he
was picked. Up it sounds like this has been going
on for quite a, while this nasty back and, forth testy.
Speaker 20 (34:26):
Battle he was picked. Up he, said, NO i don't
want to go to my mom, KEEL i want to
stay with my. Biodebt they say, no you're staying, here
and he was put in a choke. Hold so WHEN
i heard, that WHEN i listened to that emergency, HEARING i,
thought is that what the suspects?
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Saw is that why he knew how to do? That
and what's lost in?
Speaker 7 (34:46):
This?
Speaker 4 (34:46):
Again nancy Is?
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Anna how did she?
Speaker 4 (34:49):
Die how did she literally slip through the cracks with
her parents right across the. Hall even if they just
heard that and didn't believe it from the ex boyfriend
that something went, on you knew that that was in
the back of your, head and you put them in
a room together unsupervised on a.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Cruise it's.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Unforgivable the carnival cruise teen, girl the little, cheerleader thought
for her, life strangled, dead a mechanical.
Speaker 19 (35:15):
Strangulation when is something going to, Happen when is there
going to be an, Arrested when are the answers going
to come?
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Out and what Does Anna, keptner the teen cheerleaders biological,
mother have to say about all of.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
This the relationship between.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Her bio mom and her bio, Dad Christopher, kepner who
was on that cruise with, her apparently across the hall
from her at the time she was strangled, dead has been.
Contentious to put it, Mildly, listen.
Speaker 15 (35:46):
You cheated on me with twenty four other, women Including,
keaby and then he married her after she turned. Eighteen
And i'm not okay with, that mind YOU i say,
that But i'm not mad At. Tabitha tabitha is a great.
Person she was a mother to my daughter WHAT i couldn't.
Speaker 9 (36:04):
Be by the Time anna is, Five Christopher kaepner is
having an affair with a teenage. Babysitter When Tabitha Donna
hugh turns, Eighteen chris marries her and they have two children.
Together heather has a hard time maintaining a relationship With
anna due to the bitter divorce With chris.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
That from at Just mom nineteen eighty four TikTok joining
me right now is the bio, mom the biological mother
Of Anna, ketner the teen cheerleader Sister Crystal, right thank
you for being with, Us Miss.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Wright.
Speaker 10 (36:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 21 (36:39):
Absolutely how is.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
The bio Mom Heather right handling everything that she is
learning about her daughter's.
Speaker 16 (36:52):
DEATH i think you trying to keep it. Together she's
trying to be right for it and make sure that
those that are accountable are held.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Accountable what does she make of the fact there is
no arrest?
Speaker 16 (37:07):
Yet he is beside, Herself but at the same, time she.
Speaker 21 (37:14):
Just trying to tell herself that it's because they want
to make sure they get him properly charged and that
his charge is able to uphold in, court so that
he does take the.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Time joining us to shed some light on this For
Crystal right And Heather right is a renowned cruise line.
Lawyer Is, Spencer Aaronfeld. Spencer right, now there's a game
of hot potato being played between The feds and the.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
State and we don't know who is going to take in.
Jurisdiction what's going? On why they?
Speaker 6 (37:48):
Delay, okay so both the federal government and the state
can simultaneously if they choose to prosecute this young, man
and they both have different. Results he could be acquitted
in one convicted in the. Other and this is exactly what.
Happened if you Recall nancy in The Rodney king, case
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he was prosecuted both in the federal and state court
and only was convicted in. One so both of these
prosecutors are probably fighting to have an opportunity to take this,
case and both can't and probably will proceed with this
under the dual sovereignty.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Doctrine, well What i'm curious, About, Spencer Aaron, felden you're
the expert in.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
This what is taking so?
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Long and if the, stepbrother the teen stepbrother off his
meds is the target is the, suspect and they've been
very clear that he is nobody, else why hasn't he been.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Arrested my guess.
Speaker 6 (38:50):
Is they're just trying to get their ducks in a.
Row they may be waiting for the toxicology, report so you,
KNOW i would rather them wait and get it together
and get it right then rush to file this and
risk the chance it might get dismissed on some.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Technicality or We're, spencer the defense could always slap the
state with a speedy trial, demand which means the state's
got to go forward within the next two typically next
two grand jury, sessions and if the state's not ready
when the charges are, brought they may face an acquittal
if there was a speedy trial.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Demand so you're.
Speaker 7 (39:28):
Right, right and you're.
Speaker 6 (39:30):
Right and THEN i hate to say, this but in
the midst of, all this Was, Thanksgiving christmas In New
YEAR'S i hate to think they're waiting to get through
the holidays to do, this but that is SOMETHING i
see frequently where they're, saying you know, what we'll tackle
this the beginning of twenty twenty, Six so there's that.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Possibility oh my, STARS i hope you're.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
WRONG i mean To crystal, right this Is anna's maternal, Aunt.
Crystal the thought that everybody's taking a break Everything christmas
And thanksgiving instead of handling this. Case that's disturbing To heather's.
Understanding what has she been? Told certainly law enforcement has
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Briefed Anna kaptner's biological mother about what.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Happened yet, No heather doesn't know anything.
Speaker 21 (40:15):
Said she finds out from the.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
News she just sits and waits for the.
Speaker 5 (40:19):
News that is.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Horrible no one is speaking to her and telling her
what happened to her. Daughter isn't it, True, crystal that
the Biomom Heather right had to sneak into her own daughter's?
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Memorial she.
Speaker 21 (40:35):
Did chris had told her that if she attempted to
come that he was going to have her arrested for
back to hold support.
Speaker 7 (40:40):
THEM i trying to call me and get a hold
of me and.
Speaker 10 (40:42):
Anything when she. DIED i found out.
Speaker 7 (40:44):
Through The, Google heather.
Speaker 11 (40:46):
Says on top of Discovering anna died Through internet searches
instead of her, Father captainer also told her she wasn't
welcome At anna's celebration of life. Service she Claims captainer
threatened to have her arrested were a disguise to her
own daughter's memorial to she could say goodbye and. Peace
there is not mentioned In anna's obituary.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
From which two that is.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
HEARTBREAKING i mean to, You John, buehler you are a
veteran homicide.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Detective can that be true.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
That the non custodial biological mother is calling law enforcement
asking about what happened to her daughter and they won't.
Speaker 8 (41:24):
Tell, well it's certainly true that that can happen depending
on the detective you're dealing. With some have a little
bit more heart than others and are maybe willing to
talk to. Them but there may be some efforts by
the prosecutor to, say, hey, look we got to keep
some of this stuff under close to the vest and
we don't want you.
Speaker 7 (41:42):
Talking to these.
Speaker 8 (41:42):
People but it really doesn't take into the human account
that you have to have for victims' families when it
comes to these. THINGS i know from personal, experience getting
a lot of family members involved can create some friction
in the, investigation but they have enough with on their
hands with a crime scene that was probably. Compromise you
got family loyalties that are conflicting with the, truth, interviews
(42:04):
and all sorts of. Things this really is a salad
bowl of all sorts of things that are difficult to
work with when you're putting a murder case.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Together the biological mother Hether, right has had nothing but
trouble since her split With.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Christopher Captain, Listen.
Speaker 15 (42:23):
Christopher made it next to impossible for me to have
a relationship with my. Daughter he made it extremely hard
for me to see. Her he would ignore my phone,
calls not Tell anna they, called and then call like
a week and a half two weeks later And, anna
(42:43):
like my. Mind he called, me And i'm, Like i've
been calling. You you didn't get any of my. Voicemails
your dad didn't let you listen to. Him, no he,
said you didn't called.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
Tonight if you know or think you know anything about
the death of teen Girl, Anna, captain please dial seven
five four seven zero three two, thousand anything that's been,
said anything that you've, learned if you were on the
cruise and you observe something seven five four seven zero
(43:14):
three two. Thousand we remember An American Hero, Officer Austin Cooley,
kaufman P D, texas just twenty, seven killed in the
line of, duty leaving behind his wife turned widow and
a three month old baby. Girl American Hero Officer Austin
(43:35):
Muley Nancy gray signing off goodbye.
Speaker 13 (43:39):
Friend
Host
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