July 3, 2025 • 56 mins
Sean "Diddy" Combs remains in jail after the split verdict in his sex trafficking trial.
Next Tuesday, a bail hearing is planned for Combs, who hopes to be released until his October sentencing. Defense attorneys are pushing for a more expedited sentencing, but prosecutors say a pre-sentencing investigation is absolutely necessary in this case. Subramanian also pointed to the stark difference in the defense and prosecution’s sentencing requests as a reason to delay.
Prosecutors arguments against bail are simple: detention is mandatory because he violated the Mann Act, and Combs has demonstrated over and over that he will continue to commit crimes despite any brushes with the law. Defense attorneys argue that Combs should be considered an exception to required bail, citing the conditions of the prison and responsibilities as a father and son as reasons for his release.
In addition to letters from prosecutors and defense attorneys in regard to a bail decision for Sean Combs, both Cassie Ventura and Deonte Nash write letters begging the judge to consider the safety of those who testified and keep Sean Combs behind bars. Both Ventura and Nash told the judge they feared retribution after taking the stand against the mogul.
Nash wrote, “If he is released now, I have no doubt he will see it as yet another license to continue intimidating, threatening, and harming people who challenge or expose him.”
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Troy Slaten - Los Angeles Criminal Defense Attorney, Slaten Lawyers; Twitter @TroySlaten
- Dr. Shari Schwartz -Forensic Psychologist (specializing in Capital Mitigation and Victim Advocacy), www.panthermitigation.com, Twitter: @TrialDoc, Author: "Criminal Behavior" and "Where Law and Psychology Intersect: Issues in Legal Psychology"
- Dr. DeWayne Hendrix - Former Associate Warden at the MDC in Brooklyn, and former Senior Warden with the US Department of Justice, Federal Bureau of Prisons, Founder and President of A New Daylight Foundation, Author: "Who Are You? See it Say it and Seize it" , website: newdaylightfoundation.com , @anewdaylight (IG) @drdewaynehendrix (LinkedIn) @anewdaylight (X-Twitter)
- Rob Shuter - Host: Naughty But Nice Podcast, can be found at robshuter.substack.com, Former publicist of Sean Combs, IG: @naughtygossip
- Lynn Shaw - Founder and Executive Director of Lynn's Warriors, Host of Lynn's Warriors on YouTube, website: lynnswarrior.org, X: @lynns_warriors, YouTube: @LynnsWarriors
- Tisa Tells - Pop Culture Investigator & Commentator and Host of 'Tisa Tells' on Youtube, Instagram & TikTok: @TisaTellss, Facebook: Tisa.Tells.3
- Sydney Sumner - CRIME STORIES Investigative Reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Crime Baby, Didy Didy Nobel,
deal with It Combs, Shawn Colmbs breaking down and crying
like a baby in court and now he's been sent
(00:22):
to wait in a hell hole wait for his fate.
I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to
thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
We are living in this dirty diddy dystopian dumpster world.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
It was all about handpuff.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
He's running this entire trial with his ego is very,
very big, as he was the ringmaster and we played
along in his surface.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Shawn Combs has been orchestrating a meteoric career for years,
Rising Rising, Rising, is at any surprise he orchestrated his
trial that ended in two convictions but three acquittals with
me in all star panel to make sense of what
(01:06):
we know Tonight, Sean Gumes breaking down and crying like
a baby in court as he is told no bail
joining me now. Formerly outside the courthouse, she had to
be taken to a secure location after the verdict went
down yesterday. It was no laughing matter, Tiasa. It's easy
(01:27):
to laugh the next night, the night after, but you
were mobbed outside the courthouse attacked for not being a
Diddy sympathizer and threatened describe what happened outside the courthouse everybody.
Tisa Teal's joining us. You can find her online on
YouTube at Tisa Tales.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
Go ahead, Tisa Nancy.
Speaker 6 (01:49):
I laugh because I remain here and I remain adamant
that the jury got it wrong and Shaun Dity Calms
and his supporters are dangerous and need to be held into.
Speaker 7 (02:00):
Let me take you back to what happened.
Speaker 6 (02:02):
Outside of the courthouse. The verdict came in, I expected
the celebrations from Sean's family, ran downstairs to bring it
to you guys life.
Speaker 7 (02:11):
That is when the mob descended. People, grown men, grown men.
Speaker 6 (02:17):
Hordes of grown men coming over, yelling, we're going to
treat you worse than Cassie.
Speaker 7 (02:22):
What happened.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
What happened to Cassie is nothing.
Speaker 7 (02:25):
Wait till we get our hands on you. F then,
b you need to die.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
You need this. We're going to reach into you.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
Literally, two armed guards were protecting me from a swarm
of men of Ditty supporters. This is what they wanted
to do to celebrate when their degenerate king came up.
Speaker 7 (02:43):
They but in that moment My heart.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
Broke for the witnesses.
Speaker 6 (02:47):
My heart broke for myself because I realized they wanted to.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Bring me to heal.
Speaker 6 (02:53):
They wanted me to pay all this anger and animosity
they felt that I stood there on the side of victims.
It boiled and in that moment with a gold star
that jury decision gave them.
Speaker 7 (03:04):
They knew that they lived in a world that they.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
Could harm somebody, a woman for speaking truth to power,
and nothing would happen to them, just like in their
minds at that time, they thought nothing was happening to
their king. I was overjoyed when I heard the judge
Aaron did the right thing and kept that monster in jail,
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and it sent a chilling effect to all the melee
that was going on in the courthouse. Regardless of what
the jury said, there is still law in America, and.
Speaker 7 (03:37):
You will be held you will be held accountable.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
It was a horrible scene.
Speaker 7 (03:41):
And get this, I had two armed guards escorting me through.
Speaker 6 (03:45):
The melee and they were even like they'd never seen
anything like this. But there were so many other women,
there were so many other vloggers and media that did
not have armed guards protecting them, that suffered the same
fate and my heart grows to everyone.
Speaker 7 (04:01):
It was quite a scene at the courthouse.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Buttersa Cholls, wasn't there a woman?
Speaker 5 (04:06):
Wasn't there?
Speaker 1 (04:07):
A woman outside the courthouse and nothing but brief squirting
herself with baby oil, dancing Nancy.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
I was literally sitting there saying, is this what Sodom and.
Speaker 7 (04:17):
Gomora look like?
Speaker 5 (04:19):
It looked like Rome was burning.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
There was a woman in a copair of column climb
underwears and a bra momentarily because even the bra started coming.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
Out, and she was sitting there, shimming, bouncing.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
Acting like it, acting like she was at like like
the ship bar Right never been to her, but I
assume that's what goes on.
Speaker 7 (04:39):
Why there was.
Speaker 6 (04:39):
A man with a bottle of baby oil squirting it
and it's a baby ole hit her chest. The crowd
was like, yes, yes, yes, more more more, celebrating for
their degenerate king. I've never seen anything like.
Speaker 7 (04:54):
It, and I hope to God never to.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
See anything like it again.
Speaker 6 (04:59):
At that moment, I got had asked me do you
think we need Yes, Lord, please flood it. Let me
into the arc, flood it, flood it all if this
needs to be washed away. I have never seen such
the proud degeneracy and what are you celebrating? That's all
I kept saying, what are these people celebrating? This man
was convicted on two still very serious criminal charges. But
(05:22):
more than that, I see that Mark Agnafilil's gaslighting worked
on the jury.
Speaker 7 (05:26):
But are we going to forget that?
Speaker 6 (05:28):
We did not see Cassie fleeing a freak off and
being dragged back. So we did not hear Cassie's mom
say that she was extorted twenty k because she thought
her daughter's freae call thing she were going to be released.
Did we not hear all this testimony about him literally
regardless of what Jane wanted, brutally beating her, beating her.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
In the shower, beating her in the foyer, stopping.
Speaker 6 (05:51):
Her down, then forcing her to take drugs, put makeup on,
and engage in a freak off, just to punish and
humiliate her.
Speaker 7 (05:57):
The fact that the jury and did he support.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
I just wanted to act like all this horrible evidence
we heard did not happen, and they were celebrating that
this monster got out.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
Listen.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
It literally was like I was literally watching Sodom and Gomore.
I don't know what was going on, but there was
some demonic energy going around.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
Speaking of what was going down outside the courthouse.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
As Diddy Seawan comes, breaks down and cries like a
baby in court and is told no bail. Take a
look at what she's talking about. This from armand Wiggins
(06:40):
on Instagram.
Speaker 8 (06:41):
When the verdict is announced, crowds outside the courthouse go wild.
Supporters spray baby.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
Oil at each other.
Speaker 8 (06:48):
Observers with different opinions get in shouting matches. The Colmbs
family is met with cheers as they enter an exit
court and media members and content creators rely on court
security for protection as they make their reports. Has both
sides submit their arguments for and against pre Sentencing Bill,
a large group begins to chant let Puffy go.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 8 (07:22):
Has both sides submit their arguments for and against pre
sentencing Bill, a large group begins to chant let Puffy go.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
Let Puffy go. Well, the judge didn't agree.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Shawn Combs no bail and he says straight back to
the Brooklyn MDC to await his fate. This is after
he breaks down and cries in court, joining me special
guest Rob Shooter, longtime p R Guru for Shawn Combs.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
He knows Shawn Combs better than any of us.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Can can even imagine hosts of naughty but Nice podcasts
found at robshooter dot substack dot com. You know what
that scene reminds me of. That reminds me of something
that happened Shooter. After the OJ Simpson verdict. Okay, the
case was over and I was still prosecuting in Atlanta,
(08:16):
prosecuting felonies, and I flew to New York to see
Heraldo Rivera, our friend, Heraldo Rivera, and at that time
he had a daytime talk show and he was having
on many of the jurars.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
They had written a book making.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Money off the trial. Hey it's America, have ad it
And it was called something like Madam Foreman of the Jury,
something about that, and I believe the foreman was part
of the group that was at Heraldo. Anyway, we did
the show and I had no ACTX to grind with them.
I thought they were totally wrong and were swayed by
(08:55):
Simpson's fame. But that said, the trial was over. There
was nothing I could do to affect the case.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
It was done.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
And these were elderly ladies, and so I was very
polite to them. We had a conversation. I walked out
with them and walked them with them to the sidewalk.
Listen to this shooter. They were all out there waiting
and a huge black stretch limo pulls up. I had
never been in stretch limo my wife at that time.
(09:24):
I don't know if i'd even seen one. Yeah, I
had not, And I watched all of them. They were
all getting in. I think there were three of them,
as I recall, and the one of them turned back
to me. I was standing there, and I remember this distinctly.
I could not afford a heavy coat. I did not
have on a heavy coat, and it was cold, and
(09:47):
I was standing there and they got in, and the
last one to get in turned around. She had her
hand on the open limo door and she.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
Said, you know what, Nancy, this is the best thing
that ever happened to me.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
I've go on too, all the best restaurants, I've stayed in,
all the best hotels, these amazing meals and room service.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
I even got these.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Expensive clothes to wear on TV. It's been the best
thing that ever happened to me. And she was so happy,
and she got in the limo shut the door, and
I remember standing there and I watched the limo pull
off to take them to the airport. I was watching
(10:32):
the tail lights and it started snowing. The best thing
that happened to them, Nicole Brown's head was attached to
her body with just the skin on the back of
her neck. She was basically beheaded by Orenthal James Simpson.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
Ron Goldman found dead at a pool of blood.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
And it's the best thing that ever happened to that jury.
I mean, that was my flashback as the verdict was
being read in court.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
I feel Nancy, I totally feel for you. Last night
I went out to have dinner with friends and somebody
tried to spit on me outside the restaurant, who was
a Diddy supporter. This is real, what we are seeing
happening outside the courthouse. What happened to our friend Tisha
that she has been brave enough to talk about.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
It's real.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
People out there are scared, Nancy. I reported yesterday that
Cassie has increased her security now she's got a twenty
four hour guard on her home. People are very, very frightened.
Just because Puffy is still in jail. Thankfully he can't
get to her, but his fans can, his army, his
(11:47):
warriors can, and so it's dangerous out there. And I
think it's easy to dismiss that. It's easy to think, oh,
this is just excitements. This was just after the verdict.
This will calm down. I'm not sure it will.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Nancy.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
I've been doing this a long long time, and I've
certainly said things and wrote things that might have ruffled
people the wrong way. But I've never had somebody try
to spit on me before last night. That happened for
the first time in New York City. Coming out of
a restaurant. Someone recognized me from television, from maybe my column,
(12:23):
from working with Diddy, and they're really angry, and I
could see, Nancy. I could see in their eyes hate.
They absolutely hated that I'm not worshiping the same god
to the God of Diddy that they are.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Oh here, number one. I feel guilty about what's happened
to you and Atisa, because I feel like by speaking
out on our program, you've been targeted. I have to
tell you, when the Twins left early this morning for
their jobs, I was actually worried.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
I followed them a life.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Thiry sixty, you know, just to make sure they got there.
And I thought, what, what? Where am I living?
Speaker 7 (13:09):
What?
Speaker 5 (13:11):
Why is it like this?
Speaker 1 (13:12):
I want to hear exactly, exactly every detail of someone
coming up to you and spitting at you at a
restaurant last night, every detail.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Yeah, walking out of a restaurant in Midtown. We'd had
a great dinner. It was a fun night with friends,
and we were saying oh goodbyes outside. People in New
York get subways or maybe an uber or a taxi home.
I was waiting for my uber. It had been a long,
long day. I was so looking forward to seeing my
friends and not talking about this monster, not talking about Dinny,
(13:45):
talking about everything else, and having a drinker Martine. It
was a really great, cathartic night. It was that moment
at the end of a long day that I think
so many people can appreciate and look forward to. And
when I was leaving the restaurant, we hadn't finished talking yet.
We were good we are good friends, and we were
gossiping about Cape Middleton. We were got something about different
(14:07):
stories coming out of London, and somebody tapped me on
my shoulder and I turned around and they said you're
Rob Schutter, aren't you? And I was like yes, and
then they spat.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
They spat.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
They missed me, but they did spit, Nancy. And then
I looked up and I said, what the hell? And
then I realized I had to back off very very
quickly because the hate, the hate in this person's eyes
who does not know me. But let me make this
clear too, They don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Did hey, I worked with him? You didn't I did?
Speaker 4 (14:36):
I know this man? He doesn't care about you. To
think somebody would be that loyal, that emotional, that upset
for somebody that they don't know, and the person they
think they know is not that person, it's heartbreaking, Nancy.
I didn't feel anger. I felt a little bit vulnerable.
I felt a little bit scared. I think I was safe.
I felt sad, Nancy. I felt so so that Diddy
(15:01):
has whipped people up into this frenzy Rob shooter.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
Was it a man or a woman?
Speaker 4 (15:08):
And the spit at you a man? There was three
of them walking together. It looked as if they had
finished work. It looked like they were heading home. It
was just an unfortunate moment where I was in the
wrong place at the wrong time.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
On the wrong day, Robshooter. It's because they don't want
to see. They don't want to know the truth about
Sean Comes. They want to believe what they've believed for
years and years and years. We what Cassie, Mia Jane,
so many others, and what the hey happened to Gina.
(15:42):
Now in retrospect, we know why she didn't come forward,
but they don't want to see. Did I ever tell you,
Shooter that I had my investigator, Ernest.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
We could not have been more different.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
We were together over ten years, through thick and thin.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
Every day, every trial.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
We had one argument in ten years one and it
was over O. J. Simpson because he insisted Simpson was
framed because of his race, and I insisted he was
behind bars because he murdered two people, and that Ernest
(16:25):
didn't want to face the facts that the Simpson he
thinks he knows, the one that's running through the airport
on the commercial or you know, star football player, that's
not the real Orenthal James Simpson.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
And to this day, to this day, he's still mad
at me. He's still mad about put g Simpson.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
We don't even talk about him when we talk, when
we get together we don't even talk about Simpson. Okay,
we do a little. I say, you do know Simpson's guilty, right, Okay,
he's dead, but he's guilty.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
He's still No. They don't want to see these people.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
The people that spit at you last night, don't want
to see the testimony that came out at court. Shooter,
how is that You're the pr guru, you know how
to shape shift everything.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
How is this happening?
Speaker 4 (17:16):
I think, Nancy, for this is a tale as old
as time.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
We have built people up.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
We know in America how to build celebrities, how to
create celebrities. Celebrities are born, they are created, carefully created,
and we turn them into these godlike figures. And often
mostly these celebrities live out our fantasies for us, the
tailor Swifts and the Beyonces, and we wonder what it'd
be like to be that famous and that rich. But
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every's often there's a celebrity that comes along and OJ Simpson,
that did he And when we realize that the image
is not the truth, it can be devastating. This isn't
about a celebrity being rude at Starbucks. This is a crime,
and this is dangerous this is people's lives. What Puffy
(18:02):
did is not just an A list celebrity being a brat.
It's being a criminal. And unfortunately, though the mystique, the image,
the world that we've created where we idolize these people,
they weaponize it. Celebrities know how to use their power
and Puffy did that from the day one, From the
(18:23):
first day he stepped into that courtroom. He knew what
he was doing. He was putting on the Puffy Show,
and we fell for it.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
He's not used to being told no.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
He throws a major tantrum because he can.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
I've seen him get so angry that he looks like
he's about to pass out.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
The veins in his neck are popping.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
The kickings, the beatings, the draggings.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
He just can't believe that somebody says no to him.
It can't believe it.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
With us an all star panel.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
But first, back to Tisa Tills from YouTube Tisa Tills
on YouTube Tea.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Sean comes breaking.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Down and crying like a baby in court when he
is told no bail sent back to the MDC to
await his fate. A hearing is scheduled and the next
three business days for him to come back in court
and make his case. Tell me what happened in court
when Seawn comes in court.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
In court, we saw Judge Aaron.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
Now nobody knows what's in his mind, but the way
he came in, like hell on Wills, it made me
feel that maybe Judge Aaron thought that the jury got
it a bit wrong.
Speaker 7 (19:37):
Mark A.
Speaker 9 (19:38):
Gonnafield, you'll rolled in with his comedy routine that it
worked on those traulve jurors and tried to even say
that the abuse that Jaye suffered being beaten.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
Staplashedly in a shower Hit Diddy was clothed being forced
to do a freak off. Moments later, he tried to
say that it looks like it might have been self defense.
Speaker 7 (20:00):
Judge Aaron shut it down.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
Your client is violent.
Speaker 7 (20:04):
We saw it on the video.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
He said everything that we've been thinking, and he said
he's not getting out. Mark Agnafilio, well, yeah, I know
we can arrange a package that you like. The motion
is denied and I will see you. I believe it's
October second for sentencing unless you have a better idea.
(20:27):
Did he literally that Hubers did he had floated in
He really did do the impossible.
Speaker 7 (20:33):
And I remember last week when Rob was like this man,
I'm telling you the stardust people wanted. I didn't want
to believe it, but.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
This man came floating in off of his star dust,
fully expecting to go home. They had gotten security for
Star Island because they expected him to walk out. That night,
everybody was on and when you saw the way his
whole body slumped, the way he looked like tears were
(21:03):
rolling down his face, all because Judge Aaron finally put
a stop to this nonsense.
Speaker 7 (21:11):
And again I.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
Want to thank Judge Aaron because it had a chilling effect.
Everybody was worried about me last night, but you know what,
I stood tall because I realized they wanted what they
did to Rob.
Speaker 7 (21:22):
They want us afraid to come out.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
They want us to hide in the shadow like roaches,
the way they should be hiding in the shadows. They
want us to be bowed and ashamed and hide away
so they can literally let their deranged king run rapid.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
Kudles from Rob for holding.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
His ground, and kudos for Judge Aaron for finally popping
that bubble and for Diddy to see reality.
Speaker 7 (21:45):
You might have got away with the worst of it,
but the fed still.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
Caught you in their crossheads.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
And in that moment we saw why he was.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
Slumped, head bowed, looking like tears were rolling down his
face because he thought he knew to see reality finally
come crashing in. That was the only justice we got
in that day, but it was a lot of justice
and it was well deserved justice.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
What did you just say about self defense?
Speaker 7 (22:12):
Yes, it makes me so mad to think about it.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
Mark Agnofilial had the nerve to suggest that what did
he did that night with Jane when he forced drugs
down her throat and made a perform a freak all
with fresh bruises and swelling covered up with makeup. Mark
Agnofilial said, there's evidence to suggest.
Speaker 7 (22:36):
That that was some type of self defense that my
client was.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Okay, whit whit white, white, white, white, white, white white.
Wait a minute. Linna Shaw joining me from Lynne's Warrior.
She's the founder and executive director dedicated to ending sex
trafficking and abuse on girls and women. Okay, I've heard
she asked for it. It was her idea, she started it.
(23:02):
It was consensual. She's a slut or as Agnifilo. Agnifilo
said in court she's a beautiful woman, she loves sex.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
On and on, the same.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Old stereotypes you've always heard, but this is a new one.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
It was self defense.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Sean Combs was acting in self defense when he beat Jane.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
Blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Blah, the same old playbook.
Speaker 7 (23:32):
Let's kick it to the curb.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
First of all, I want to say something, a great
shout out to Tissa and to Rob stay safe. I
put out a statement on the Warriors about this right
away with the verdict. I've been attacked relentlessly all day
and all night yesterday, and guess what by women?
Speaker 7 (23:48):
Women?
Speaker 2 (23:48):
So what does this say about all of this? So
now you have a lawyer, a lawyer who's saying self defense.
I've heard this one before, Nancy, anything to blame the victim.
My concern here, though, is society. Is the justice system
itself not understanding accepting all of this. How come all
of those Diddy disciples attacking Tisa and others, how come
(24:13):
they aren't you in this frenzy to support victims, survivors,
those who testified. Why is it that there's this power
over this criminal, convicted criminal, this monster, pim, pimp, pimp
traffick or traffick er, trafficker. You know what, that playbook
is old. These lawyers can say what they want. My
concern here also is that women are attacking me for
(24:35):
putting out what I am saying that he is he
got off because they didn't prove sex trafficking and I
don't know what I'm doing. Well, you know what, everybody
should walk in my boots, come along with me with
the warriors, and do the work we do in the communities,
and they'll understand real quickly. These jurors, I wish I
could have taken all twelve of them on the road
with me. They would have convicted him of sex trafficking
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right away because they have to see reality and they're
blinded by as Rob pointed out, and Tisa, this stard ust,
this wealth, this power. But you know what, he's still
at the end of the day, a convicted criminal. He
still is in jail. We still have counts against him,
and he will go down, maybe not right away, in
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the next few years, he's going down joining me.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Troy Slayton, renowned defense attorney and joining us out of
the LA jurisdiction. Troy Slayton, Look, okay, you got a
lot of tricks in your magician's bag that you whip
out in front of jury's to get those not guilty
verdicts that you seem to get sadly frequently. But Troy Slayton,
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in a case like this, have you ever seen the
defense argue self defense that the alleged rapist, the alleged
sex trafficker was acting and self defense. I didn't see
any pictures of bruises on Seawn Comes. All I saw
was him running up and down the halls of the
Intercontinental and nothing but a towel.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
And we now know.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Why he had the towel that he was clutching so desperately,
because he didn't want this to be seen on the camera.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
That said, have you ever seen.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Self defense used by an alleged rapist or an alleged
sex trafficker.
Speaker 10 (26:19):
It's the job of the defense attorney, Nancy to be
a zealous advocate for their client and to do everything
that they can within the framework of the law to
secure an acquittal or to get the best possible deal. Now,
I'm not going to sit here and gloat just because
I got it right all along that the government overcharged
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this case. There was not an overreaching.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
Yes, you would never glow. That's just non choice.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Go here.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
He would never say I told you so. Oh quick, update,
where's Diddy right now? Oh he's in jail. Okay, continue, but.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Not for much longer.
Speaker 10 (27:00):
The sentencing guidelines for what is probably going to end
up being the most expensive prostitution trial in US history
is fifteen to twenty one months. So although he has
what we call maximum exposure of ten years on each count,
which if ran consecutively, would be twenty years, he's not
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going to get that. The starting point for the judge
here is fifteen to twenty one months, not years, and
he's already got starting point.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
I've read it and a nutshell.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Unlike state court where I prosecuted in felony superior court,
where the judge had great, great leeway and dependent on
the state to make a very convincing argument when it
came to sentencing, in federal court, there's something called the
federal guidelines. The sentencing guidelines why, because federal judges number one,
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they're a pointed for life. They can do whatever they
want to, just like the US Supreme Court. Okay life,
In case you didn't know, they're not realized they can't
get thrown.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Out, they can get impeached.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Okay, I'm you named five justices, Name one justice, one
justice US Supreme Court justice, it's ever been impeached?
Speaker 5 (28:17):
Hearing nothing, I'll continue forward. The sentencing guidelines are.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Instituted because federal judges across the country had wildly divergent
sentences for this same crime, and defense was starting to.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
Say, hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. He got five
years and you're giving me life. How can that be?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
So the sentencing guidelines were put in place to kind
of corral the federal judges into behaving and having a
more consistent sentencing guideline.
Speaker 5 (28:45):
However, there are in a nutshell.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
I'm not gonna let Troy Slayton give you a legal
treatise on this. There are upward and downward departures. And
I know a lawyer now just barred that made a
living of getting snitches behind bars to make up stories
to help get downward departures.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
Downward departures are.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
When you present the judge evidence to the defendant's favor
that gets the judge to give a lesser sentence.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
There are also exactly departures.
Speaker 10 (29:20):
It's called mitigations or aggregating factors. And that's what the
attorneys for Diddy are going to do. They're going to
say all the great things about him in order to
try and get the judge to downward depart or deviate
from the sentencing guidelines. It used to be in this country, Nancy,
that the sentencing guidelines were mandatory. The judge was confined
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to in this case to fifteen to twenty one months.
But that's no longer the case. The twenty years why
discretion to sentence up to the maximum in this sorce.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
But it's not going to happen. Diddy is going to
be out in a matter of months, not years.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Your TISA tales give us the sentencing day, which is
not until October.
Speaker 5 (30:02):
But Shawn Combs is back in court.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Within the next three business days to have a bill hearing.
But as to what Slayton's saying, he's absolutely correct. The
sentencing for Shawn comes could be anywhere from fifteen months,
which is the lower end of the federal sentencing guidelines,
all the way up to twenty years. Twenty years where
I get that the max on each one of these
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counts is ten years. If he gets the max on
each count, which I believe he should get in light
of the violence of this case. Then you run those consecutively,
one after the other. That's twenty years. Enjoy comes Enjoy. Okay,
back to Tisa tells Tisa, I also heard you say
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in addition to Shawn Combs's self defense theory, magnif Loow
threw out to the judge yesterday. I think I saw
the judge doing this on the stand. But that said,
you also said some thing about Star Island.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
What did you say?
Speaker 6 (31:03):
Diddck's team was so confident that Diddy was coming home
that night, they got listened. They won the game, but
they decided to do a victory layup.
Speaker 5 (31:15):
They were so confident he was coming home that.
Speaker 11 (31:17):
They got security and staff on Star Island in order
to embrace the homecoming of their dark overload the amount
of hubris.
Speaker 7 (31:30):
And by the way, let's go back to that self
defense okay.
Speaker 12 (31:33):
The judge looked at Diddy and its exact words were,
your client enrolled in a batterer's program in New York
City right before he got arrested again.
Speaker 7 (31:45):
How could this be self defense where the first thing
he did.
Speaker 13 (31:49):
Was run in New York City and enroll in a
Batteri's program so he could say, oh my God, or
change my ways, and a batterer's program for the abuser.
Marine called me stick up and said, your honor, his
brazeness is ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (32:03):
It is he has no shame. It was quite a
moment to see. Did he be pulled down to reality?
But the hubers to think that he was coming home
because again, Nancy, I was disappointed with the verdict, But
like you said, okay, there are two serious criminal charges,
and judging.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
By the way the judge was reading.
Speaker 7 (32:24):
Mark Agnifilio, the Riot Act.
Speaker 6 (32:26):
Whatever is the maximum that he can go, I think
it's going to be more higher than lower.
Speaker 7 (32:32):
This is not going to be time served.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
And yes it is a small consolation prize, but hopefully
Diddy will at least be away for at least four
or five years. Anybody knows you're better at that than
I am, Nancy. But again it is a small act
of mercy that he will be accountable for some of
his crimes.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Okay, the Star Island thing, repeat, the Star Island incident.
Speaker 7 (32:56):
They were so confident this man was coming home.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
They had the party of all parties a homecoming like
you've never seen planned. They had full security go down
there again, remember last time they tried to get him
a released on bail.
Speaker 7 (33:12):
We're gonna have private security. We're gonna have this. We're
gonna have that.
Speaker 6 (33:15):
Okay, so you're gonna be l Chapo and create your
own prison on a luxury resort.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Shut up?
Speaker 7 (33:19):
Did he?
Speaker 5 (33:20):
They had full security on staff that.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
Would be in line with what the level that probation
of probation officer would demand.
Speaker 7 (33:30):
They had celebrity friends to greet him.
Speaker 6 (33:33):
They had a whole shindic planned, and they really thought
that man was walking out of there that night.
Speaker 7 (33:38):
And by the way, Nancy, I don't think.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
Enough people have talked about these low life celebrities that
came out in droves to congratulate him because he got
off on Rico, leaving comments, you can't go to jail
for being freaky. Yeah, I know you thought your whole
lifestyle was in danger. But nobody is talking about the celebs.
And now that he's been found not guilty and the
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jury did.
Speaker 7 (34:02):
This, they are now coming out and giving him.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
His full support.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
That comeback tour that I thought was just a pipe dream,
it looks like it might be coming to fruition. I
don't even think he has to do the fake church
route to get back in the good graces of the
celebrity friends.
Speaker 7 (34:18):
But they are all coming out.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
Of the word works.
Speaker 6 (34:20):
Look at the post he put liking everything. Congratulations, I
knew you're coming home. Pay attention to who now is
speaking up, and that's going to tell you who was
probably worried about Diddy going down.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
Who's speaking up? Who's speaking up?
Speaker 7 (34:34):
So many musicians, so many.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
Actors, actresses.
Speaker 14 (34:39):
I can go to the Instagram right now, the posts
they put up. Look at everybody that's in the comments,
liking it, liking it, giving words of confidence, good to
see you home.
Speaker 7 (34:49):
King.
Speaker 6 (34:50):
There are so many celebrities, And again it makes me
wonder because you guys are so quiet, and now you're
speaking up. Maybe you're happy that you're white. Life has
been lived to survive another day, because why were they
so quiet before? Maybe these were some of the people
that were worried about Diddy actually speaking.
Speaker 5 (35:09):
You know, it's like roaches.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
When you turn the light on, they all run and
hide when the light's being shined on them. But you
cut the lights off and they can get away. With
anything in the dark, when nobody knows what's going on,
when nobody can see what they're doing. Speaking of refusing
to see the evidence, going into the jury deliberations with
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blinders on about who they think Sean comes is.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
How could they ignore his apology.
Speaker 15 (35:38):
It's so difficult to reflect on the darkest times in
your life.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Sometimes you got to do that.
Speaker 15 (35:48):
I was, I mean, I hit rock bottom, but I.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Make no excuses.
Speaker 15 (35:55):
My behavior on that video is inexcusable. Full responsibility for
my ashes in that video. I'm disgusted. I was disgusted
then when I did it. I'm disgusting now and when
and I sought out professional help now to go into therapy.
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I'm going to rehab. Had to asked God for his
mercy and grace. I'm so sorry, but I'm committed to
be a better mansion every day.
Speaker 16 (36:40):
I'm not asking for forgiveness. I'm truly sorry.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
In the next three business day, Shawn comes aka did
he back in court begging for bond, his sentencing set
for October.
Speaker 5 (36:57):
What will go down in that bond?
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Here the judge has given us a couple of clues. Yesterday,
when Shawn Combs kept going trying to get called on
like the judge was a school teacher. While his lawyer Agnifilo,
was making an argument, the district court judge, Judge Aaron
Subramian ignored Shawn Combs.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
And said to the defense.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Quote, you full throatedly, that's harsh for a judge. You
full throatedly, in your closing argument told the jury that
there was violence here, and domestic violence is violence. You
said this was the case that did have violence. As
to the basic question of violence. You conceded that, admitted
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that in your closing and then Agnifilo, in his wisdom,
come back. I think I just think we should trust him.
Speaker 5 (37:56):
He won't flee.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Okay, Rob Shooter joining us from Naughty but Nice podcast
at robshooter dot subseac dot com. You heard that the
celebration was already planned at Star Island.
Speaker 5 (38:11):
Where is Star Island? What is it?
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Yees?
Speaker 4 (38:12):
Star Island is in Florida. It's by my amme. It's
a luxury island that you need to get permission to
get on and off.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
They have a.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
Security guard when you enter the one bridge that takes
you to this island, and there's one bridge that takes
you out. Multimillion dollar homes. These are not just rich people,
these are super rich people. The average home on Star
Island is about forty million dollars. I've been to a
party on Star Island, not at Diddy's house, but on
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the island. Not that many homes on the island, I'd
guess about fifteen twenty total, all celebrity neighbors, all super
super super rich. And now these elites, these very wealthy
people who have spent a fortune on these homes, now
they're going to have to at some point welcome did
He back as a neighbor. They are not happy about this.
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This is not going to be good for the price
of their homes. They want rid of him in a
way that a lot of people standing at that courtroom
screaming and shouting don't. And so his fans are supporting him.
His neighbors one him got.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
They were already preparing the party at Star Island in Florida.
Speaker 5 (39:27):
Keep shooter up, isn't it true?
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Star Island is ninety nautical miles to Cuba. On a yacht,
you can get to Cuba in less than four hours.
So did he goes out on a moonlight cruise on
a yacht? He gone right from Cuba. You can go
anywhere in the world, right, think about it, Shooter, think
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you use that noodle man?
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Yeah, we should all be using our noodles. Nancy, You're
absolutely right. While the lobster is chilling and the champagne
is on ice, people waiting at this party, he can
literally jump on a boat and get this. His home
has a dock. He doesn't even have to go anywhere.
That boat can pull up literally in his backyard. He
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can jump on a yacht, on a boat under the
cover of darkness, under night, and slip away and will
never ever see him again.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Rob Sheeter, is it true that you just published an
article there is going to be a Sean Comet did
He Women's shelter for abused and beaten women?
Speaker 5 (40:43):
I guess he could fill the whole thing up.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
Yeah, Nancy.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
So last night I hit the phones and thank you
for all the support you've been given my sub stack,
and so this morning I posted a story. I spoke
to three different did He insiders last night saying what's next?
Speaker 3 (40:57):
What is he going to do?
Speaker 4 (40:58):
I've reported about the comeback up potentially with Kanye West.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
What else does he plan to do?
Speaker 4 (41:04):
And all my sources told me that he's going to
use this moment as a marketing opportunity. He is shameless.
This is a chance for him to bounce back. He
thinks to be bigger than ever, and I can see
him Nancy standing outside a did He women's shelter, cutting
the ribbon, saying that he's a protector of women.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
He loves women.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
He's going to flip this narrative. There are no concrete
plans for this yet, I point out in the story,
but it's just one of the options that did He
and his team are exploring. How can he bounce back,
not just in music, not just in fashion, but how
can he get his reputation back. Normally we see celebrities
going to rehab, remember that, Nancy, They always go off
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to reab for a few weeks. I'm told Didi he's
not going to do that. But he's going to open
up potentially several different shelters for battered women around around
the country. This is something that is seriously nan say
being discussed.
Speaker 5 (42:01):
Linn Shaw.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Not not going to happen, never gonna happen. He and
his team can talk all they want. They can spend
millions of dollars on strategies. They can go on every show,
which I'm sure he will make his you know, comeback
tour being paid who knows how much money to I'm
not even calling that because to me, he's dead. So
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there's no resurrection with this degenerate. Okay, it's never going
to happen. If we at the Warriors have to get
every warrior we know to go out and stop this,
we will do it because you know what we know.
He's all you have to think about is that Cassie video.
I think the judge, even you know, with no bail,
is like, no, the Cassie video.
Speaker 5 (42:42):
In his mind.
Speaker 7 (42:43):
I'm not a mind reader.
Speaker 5 (42:45):
He is going to fall.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
I maintain right now, things they may think are looking good.
I'm reminding everybody all day, yesterday and today. He's still
a convicted criminal. He's still sitting in jail. He's an offender.
Offenders don't change their strike. He will come out eventually
and he will reoffend or do something worse. He's not
going to change. I maintain these shelters they talk about
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it's going to be a nice pr stunt, It's not happening,
no way in hell under the Warrior's watch.
Speaker 7 (43:15):
We're not allowing this.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
From armand Wiggins on Instagram.
Speaker 5 (43:31):
Did he no bail?
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Did he cries in court like a little baby man up?
For Pete's sake? You got off on three counts. Why
are you crying in court?
Speaker 5 (43:44):
I'll tell you why.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Because he and all of his followers were convinced he
was going to walk out of the courthouse and to
his star isled party last night.
Speaker 5 (43:52):
That did not happen.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
And the judge doesn't seem happy with the arguments the
defense has made. Judge, please please hear the cries of
the victims and sentence. Shawn comes to ten plus ten
behind bars, joining me now. Doctor Dwayne Hendrix, former Associate
Warden MDC in Brooklyn, former Senior warden with the US
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Department of Justice, Federal Bureau of Bureau of Prisons, on
and On, President New Daylight Foundation, and author of Who
Are You See It?
Speaker 5 (44:27):
Say It? And Sees It?
Speaker 1 (44:29):
I don't know how you even have time to appear
with us tonight for Pete's sake, but I'm glad that
you have, Doctor Dwayne Hendrix, thank you for being with us.
Will Seawn comes stay at the Brooklyn NBC until his
sentencing In October.
Speaker 17 (44:44):
Yes, Nancy, much of the dismay of Seawan Colmbs and
his family and supporters. He will be at NBC until
his sentencing in October, and mainly because one he probably
needs to be there, but secondly means time to complete
the pre sentenced investigation report, which I understand the defense
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was trying to wave that so they can hurry up
and get the sentencing. And I have a particular I
think I have a belief why that was done, mainly
because they probably don't want to hear the impacts.
Speaker 16 (45:17):
They don't want to hear the victim impact statements.
Speaker 17 (45:21):
They don't really want to continue to go over the
office and conduct because again it talks about the violence
with the judge had mentioned yesterday in the bail hearing,
and as well as his family history. I think that
may be an issue for him as well, because I
don't think he wants to really explain his childhood and
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how he developed the habits that he has, the habits
that has.
Speaker 16 (45:45):
Come to what we saw in the testimony in his trial.
Speaker 17 (45:50):
So he will be at NBC, and if he is smart,
he'll keep his nose clean, He'll stay quiet, he'll comply
with the investigation and hope some of the mintingating factors
will come into play so that the judge won't go
with the higher recommendation of fifty one to sixty months,
which the government argued yesterday, and go with the twenty
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one to twenty seven months that his the first.
Speaker 16 (46:15):
Team arguing.
Speaker 5 (46:22):
Crime stores with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
In a nutshell, choice light and veteran defense attorney. What
is a PSI pre senate's investigation report.
Speaker 10 (46:34):
It's where a professional probation officer goes out and does
a full investigation, talks to the victims, talks to anyone
involved in the case. Usually they even talk to the
defendant themselves. I always say that my client can speak
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to them, but not about the facts of the case.
They could talk about their family history, They could talk
about what it is that that brought them there except
the facts of the case. I mean, what brought them
to that point in their life.
Speaker 3 (47:10):
But it's it's so that.
Speaker 10 (47:11):
Way the judge could have a neutral and independent look
at the history, the history of the person, so that
way they can make the most fair determination.
Speaker 5 (47:22):
You want to hear what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
I like the part about hearing what the victims have
to say at the PSI President's Investigation.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
Report, this is our criminal justice system.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
You need to hear Sean Comes talk about how I
got here. Do I need for him to tell the
story of his childhood?
Speaker 10 (47:40):
Yes, you do, Nancy, because that's part of the mommy
and daddy.
Speaker 5 (47:44):
Because I'm a sex trafficker, excuse me, a pimp.
Speaker 10 (47:47):
A judge needs to weigh all the mitigating and aggravating factors.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
That means the things that.
Speaker 10 (47:54):
Go into favor and things that go against him.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
Sidney Sandridge arning me Crime Stories, investigative reporter, Isn't it true?
In court yesterday the defense tried to force a bail
hearing yesterday so Comes could get out on bail immediately,
and as part of that, they said something about he
has to go home and take care of his elderly mother.
Speaker 5 (48:16):
Was that the one in court in the zebra print outfit?
Speaker 18 (48:18):
Absolutely green and cream zebra print. They argued that Colmes
needs to be an exception to mandatory holding for the
Man Act because of his responsibilities as a father and son.
Speaker 5 (48:33):
Okay, I'm glad you told me that.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
To doctor Sherry Schwartz, joining US renowned forensic psychologist specializing in
this capital mitigation and victim advocacy. You can find her
online at panther mitigation dot com on Twitter at trial Doc.
She's the author of Criminal Behavior and I really like
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this one where law and psychology inter issues with legal psychology.
Speaker 5 (49:03):
Not to denigrate the.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
Other guests, but saving the best for last, not to
Sherry Schwartz has to take care of his elderly mom.
She's been in court totally decked out like a fashion model,
walking the runway on fashion week every date.
Speaker 5 (49:21):
Not judging. She's gorgeous, she's beautiful, but she does not
need looking after inn Oh and what is this about?
He needs to be there to take care of his children.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
Where were his children during all those free costs and
all the traveling all around the world so he could
evade justice and a free cost in other country hotels.
Speaker 5 (49:41):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 19 (49:43):
There are many criminal defendants who need to take care
of their elderly or sickly loved ones and their children,
and yet they don't get a defense lawyer who stands
up in the courtroom and says with a straight face, Oh,
he needs an exception to the rules that apply to
the rest of the mere mortal war world. Because he
has money and fame and a life to live. This
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mitigation that I'm hearing so far is offensive. It offends
the senses. And to me, if he wants to donate
some of his millions of dollars to domestic violence shelters
that exist already, wonderful, that could be good mitigation for him.
But to suggest that he should control opening his own
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domestic violent shelters because he loves women and he cares
about what happens to women, this lacks all credibility and
it's patently offensive, and it just seems to feed into
the narcissistic qualities that have come out about him in
this trial.
Speaker 5 (50:43):
He Santika has been some of his millions.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
Try this shee on billions, billions, as in brother billions
of dollars. Doctor Sherry, you know we were talking earlier,
Doctor Sherry guys bet me, doctor Sherry Schwartz, forensics psychologist,
about how many people I believe, including the jury like.
Speaker 5 (51:03):
They did in the O. J.
Speaker 1 (51:04):
Simpson case, like they did in the Michael Jackson case,
are blinded by fame.
Speaker 5 (51:10):
I mean, Michael Jackson is one.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
Of the most talented musicians, frankly that have lived in
our lifetime. Okay, many people put in right up there
with Elvis, but that did not take away from the claims.
Speaker 5 (51:28):
But the jury saw Jackson for the star that he was.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
The jury saw Simpson for the star that he was,
and a star can be blinding, and I believe that.
I believe that's what happened in this case.
Speaker 7 (51:43):
I agree with you, Nancy.
Speaker 19 (51:44):
There's a sense that we have when there are well
known celebrities that find contact with the criminal justice system
and go on trial, that we already know them. The
same happened with oj Simpson. We feel like, oh, we
know this person. You know, this is the guy running
through the airport with a nice smile on his face
trying to catch his plane for the car rental commercials.
Speaker 5 (52:06):
So that overshadows I.
Speaker 19 (52:08):
Think in many ways, for a lot of people, the
evidence that they're hearing at trial, And in this particular case,
it was probably pretty difficult to find people that didn't
already have some knowledge of Sean Combs and what he
was famous for and his connection to other celebrities and
being a music mogul. That probably overshadowed it. But the
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other thing, Nancy, is that a lot of times jurors.
They do see it like your story that you shared
earlier about the juror who said this is the best
thing that ever happened to her. They say this as
an opportunity. Oh, I can sit on this trial as
a juror and it can be a money making opportunity
for me, or give me some proximity to fame down
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the road.
Speaker 7 (52:51):
And that's a problem, that's a big problem.
Speaker 5 (52:53):
You're right, doctor Sherry Schwartz.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
Doctor Dwayne Hendrix is with us former associate Warden, MDC
in Brooklyn. Doctor Hendrix, now that we know exactly what
convictions came down on Combs, does that give you a
better sense? And they are non bondable offenses, so I
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don't know how the defense is going to try to
get around that in the next three business days when comes.
Speaker 5 (53:21):
Is back in court.
Speaker 1 (53:22):
But that said, now that you know the counts on
which was convicted, does that alter your opinion as to
which pen which CI Correctional Institute penitentiary he will live
in as his forever home slightly?
Speaker 17 (53:39):
Because in previous episodes we talked about if he was
convicted of the higher offenses such as rico or racketeering
or sex trafficking, he would probably end up in a
maximum or high security facility, but since he was convicted
of the lesser charges, most likely he will end up
at a low security facility, or perhaps, depending on which
(54:01):
way the judge goes, if he's sentenced to less than
two and a half years, he may actually end up
spending his time at NBC Brooklyn as a work cadre
or a trustee within the building. So, but more likely
he'll probably end up at a low security facility within
five hundred miles of his designated release address. So I
(54:23):
don't know if he's going to tell him he wants
to release to his Los Angeles home, his Miami home,
or New York, and there are several low security institutions
in all of those areas within five hundred miles.
Speaker 16 (54:35):
So that's my prediction at this point.
Speaker 5 (54:38):
Doctor Hendrix.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
Isn't it true that since Seawn comes beat three of
the five charges, he will now be considered king of
the inmates behind bars?
Speaker 16 (54:48):
No, he will not be considered a king behind me.
Speaker 1 (54:51):
Will, Yes, he will. The other inmates are going to
look up to him and celebrate him. He's going to
be king of the inmates.
Speaker 5 (54:58):
He is well.
Speaker 16 (54:59):
I mean, I respect your opinion, but I just don't
see it.
Speaker 17 (55:02):
I mean in a sense that they may feel good
about him beating the bigger charges, but there's no way
a sex offender now in a sense of it's not
like he's being convicted of sex trafficking, but he still
has the sex connotation with the charge.
Speaker 16 (55:18):
So two things you don't want to be.
Speaker 17 (55:21):
I've said this before, two things you don't want to
be in the prison setting or jill setting. One is
an informant and the other one is a sex offender,
and he fits one of those categories.
Speaker 16 (55:31):
So no, he will not be the king of the institution.
Speaker 1 (55:34):
As we wait for justice to unfold and for Shawn
comes to be back in a court of law in
the next few business days, we stop to remember an
American hero officer, Jared Friddle comb PD, just forty, killed
in the line of duty, survived by loving wife now widow, Carrie,
and their five children sentenced to life without dada Mason, Jackson, Brayden,
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and Allison American hero officer Jared Friddle. Nancy Grace signing
off goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Crime Baby, Didy Didy Nobel,
deal with It Combs, Shawn Colmbs breaking down and crying
like a baby in court and now he's been sent
(00:22):
to wait in a hell hole wait for his fate.
I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to
thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
We are living in this dirty diddy dystopian dumpster world.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
It was all about handpuff.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
He's running this entire trial with his ego is very,
very big, as he was the ringmaster and we played
along in his surface.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Shawn Combs has been orchestrating a meteoric career for years,
Rising Rising, Rising, is at any surprise he orchestrated his
trial that ended in two convictions but three acquittals with
me in all star panel to make sense of what
(01:06):
we know Tonight, Sean Gumes breaking down and crying like
a baby in court as he is told no bail
joining me now. Formerly outside the courthouse, she had to
be taken to a secure location after the verdict went
down yesterday. It was no laughing matter, Tiasa. It's easy
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to laugh the next night, the night after, but you
were mobbed outside the courthouse attacked for not being a
Diddy sympathizer and threatened describe what happened outside the courthouse everybody.
Tisa Teal's joining us. You can find her online on
YouTube at Tisa Tales.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
Go ahead, Tisa Nancy.
Speaker 6 (01:49):
I laugh because I remain here and I remain adamant
that the jury got it wrong and Shaun Dity Calms
and his supporters are dangerous and need to be held into.
Speaker 7 (02:00):
Let me take you back to what happened.
Speaker 6 (02:02):
Outside of the courthouse. The verdict came in, I expected
the celebrations from Sean's family, ran downstairs to bring it
to you guys life.
Speaker 7 (02:11):
That is when the mob descended. People, grown men, grown men.
Speaker 6 (02:17):
Hordes of grown men coming over, yelling, we're going to
treat you worse than Cassie.
Speaker 7 (02:22):
What happened.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
What happened to Cassie is nothing.
Speaker 7 (02:25):
Wait till we get our hands on you. F then,
b you need to die.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
You need this. We're going to reach into you.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
Literally, two armed guards were protecting me from a swarm
of men of Ditty supporters. This is what they wanted
to do to celebrate when their degenerate king came up.
Speaker 7 (02:43):
They but in that moment My heart.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
Broke for the witnesses.
Speaker 6 (02:47):
My heart broke for myself because I realized they wanted to.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Bring me to heal.
Speaker 6 (02:53):
They wanted me to pay all this anger and animosity
they felt that I stood there on the side of victims.
It boiled and in that moment with a gold star
that jury decision gave them.
Speaker 7 (03:04):
They knew that they lived in a world that they.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
Could harm somebody, a woman for speaking truth to power,
and nothing would happen to them, just like in their
minds at that time, they thought nothing was happening to
their king. I was overjoyed when I heard the judge
Aaron did the right thing and kept that monster in jail,
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and it sent a chilling effect to all the melee
that was going on in the courthouse. Regardless of what
the jury said, there is still law in America, and.
Speaker 7 (03:37):
You will be held you will be held accountable.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
It was a horrible scene.
Speaker 7 (03:41):
And get this, I had two armed guards escorting me through.
Speaker 6 (03:45):
The melee and they were even like they'd never seen
anything like this. But there were so many other women,
there were so many other vloggers and media that did
not have armed guards protecting them, that suffered the same
fate and my heart grows to everyone.
Speaker 7 (04:01):
It was quite a scene at the courthouse.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Buttersa Cholls, wasn't there a woman?
Speaker 5 (04:06):
Wasn't there?
Speaker 1 (04:07):
A woman outside the courthouse and nothing but brief squirting
herself with baby oil, dancing Nancy.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
I was literally sitting there saying, is this what Sodom and.
Speaker 7 (04:17):
Gomora look like?
Speaker 5 (04:19):
It looked like Rome was burning.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
There was a woman in a copair of column climb
underwears and a bra momentarily because even the bra started coming.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
Out, and she was sitting there, shimming, bouncing.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
Acting like it, acting like she was at like like
the ship bar Right never been to her, but I
assume that's what goes on.
Speaker 7 (04:39):
Why there was.
Speaker 6 (04:39):
A man with a bottle of baby oil squirting it
and it's a baby ole hit her chest. The crowd
was like, yes, yes, yes, more more more, celebrating for
their degenerate king. I've never seen anything like.
Speaker 7 (04:54):
It, and I hope to God never to.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
See anything like it again.
Speaker 6 (04:59):
At that moment, I got had asked me do you
think we need Yes, Lord, please flood it. Let me
into the arc, flood it, flood it all if this
needs to be washed away. I have never seen such
the proud degeneracy and what are you celebrating? That's all
I kept saying, what are these people celebrating? This man
was convicted on two still very serious criminal charges. But
(05:22):
more than that, I see that Mark Agnafilil's gaslighting worked
on the jury.
Speaker 7 (05:26):
But are we going to forget that?
Speaker 6 (05:28):
We did not see Cassie fleeing a freak off and
being dragged back. So we did not hear Cassie's mom
say that she was extorted twenty k because she thought
her daughter's freae call thing she were going to be released.
Did we not hear all this testimony about him literally
regardless of what Jane wanted, brutally beating her, beating her.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
In the shower, beating her in the foyer, stopping.
Speaker 6 (05:51):
Her down, then forcing her to take drugs, put makeup on,
and engage in a freak off, just to punish and
humiliate her.
Speaker 7 (05:57):
The fact that the jury and did he support.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
I just wanted to act like all this horrible evidence
we heard did not happen, and they were celebrating that
this monster got out.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
Listen.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
It literally was like I was literally watching Sodom and Gomore.
I don't know what was going on, but there was
some demonic energy going around.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
Speaking of what was going down outside the courthouse.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
As Diddy Seawan comes, breaks down and cries like a
baby in court and is told no bail. Take a
look at what she's talking about. This from armand Wiggins
(06:40):
on Instagram.
Speaker 8 (06:41):
When the verdict is announced, crowds outside the courthouse go wild.
Supporters spray baby.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
Oil at each other.
Speaker 8 (06:48):
Observers with different opinions get in shouting matches. The Colmbs
family is met with cheers as they enter an exit
court and media members and content creators rely on court
security for protection as they make their reports. Has both
sides submit their arguments for and against pre Sentencing Bill,
a large group begins to chant let Puffy go.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 8 (07:22):
Has both sides submit their arguments for and against pre
sentencing Bill, a large group begins to chant let Puffy go.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
Let Puffy go. Well, the judge didn't agree.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Shawn Combs no bail and he says straight back to
the Brooklyn MDC to await his fate. This is after
he breaks down and cries in court, joining me special
guest Rob Shooter, longtime p R Guru for Shawn Combs.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
He knows Shawn Combs better than any of us.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Can can even imagine hosts of naughty but Nice podcasts
found at robshooter dot substack dot com. You know what
that scene reminds me of. That reminds me of something
that happened Shooter. After the OJ Simpson verdict. Okay, the
case was over and I was still prosecuting in Atlanta,
(08:16):
prosecuting felonies, and I flew to New York to see
Heraldo Rivera, our friend, Heraldo Rivera, and at that time
he had a daytime talk show and he was having
on many of the jurars.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
They had written a book making.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Money off the trial. Hey it's America, have ad it
And it was called something like Madam Foreman of the Jury,
something about that, and I believe the foreman was part
of the group that was at Heraldo. Anyway, we did
the show and I had no ACTX to grind with them.
I thought they were totally wrong and were swayed by
(08:55):
Simpson's fame. But that said, the trial was over. There
was nothing I could do to affect the case.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
It was done.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
And these were elderly ladies, and so I was very
polite to them. We had a conversation. I walked out
with them and walked them with them to the sidewalk.
Listen to this shooter. They were all out there waiting
and a huge black stretch limo pulls up. I had
never been in stretch limo my wife at that time.
(09:24):
I don't know if i'd even seen one. Yeah, I
had not, And I watched all of them. They were
all getting in. I think there were three of them,
as I recall, and the one of them turned back
to me. I was standing there, and I remember this distinctly.
I could not afford a heavy coat. I did not
have on a heavy coat, and it was cold, and
(09:47):
I was standing there and they got in, and the
last one to get in turned around. She had her
hand on the open limo door and she.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
Said, you know what, Nancy, this is the best thing
that ever happened to me.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
I've go on too, all the best restaurants, I've stayed in,
all the best hotels, these amazing meals and room service.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
I even got these.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Expensive clothes to wear on TV. It's been the best
thing that ever happened to me. And she was so happy,
and she got in the limo shut the door, and
I remember standing there and I watched the limo pull
off to take them to the airport. I was watching
(10:32):
the tail lights and it started snowing. The best thing
that happened to them, Nicole Brown's head was attached to
her body with just the skin on the back of
her neck. She was basically beheaded by Orenthal James Simpson.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
Ron Goldman found dead at a pool of blood.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
And it's the best thing that ever happened to that jury.
I mean, that was my flashback as the verdict was
being read in court.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
I feel Nancy, I totally feel for you. Last night
I went out to have dinner with friends and somebody
tried to spit on me outside the restaurant, who was
a Diddy supporter. This is real, what we are seeing
happening outside the courthouse. What happened to our friend Tisha
that she has been brave enough to talk about.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
It's real.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
People out there are scared, Nancy. I reported yesterday that
Cassie has increased her security now she's got a twenty
four hour guard on her home. People are very, very frightened.
Just because Puffy is still in jail. Thankfully he can't
get to her, but his fans can, his army, his
(11:47):
warriors can, and so it's dangerous out there. And I
think it's easy to dismiss that. It's easy to think, oh,
this is just excitements. This was just after the verdict.
This will calm down. I'm not sure it will.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Nancy.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
I've been doing this a long long time, and I've
certainly said things and wrote things that might have ruffled
people the wrong way. But I've never had somebody try
to spit on me before last night. That happened for
the first time in New York City. Coming out of
a restaurant. Someone recognized me from television, from maybe my column,
(12:23):
from working with Diddy, and they're really angry, and I
could see, Nancy. I could see in their eyes hate.
They absolutely hated that I'm not worshiping the same god
to the God of Diddy that they are.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Oh here, number one. I feel guilty about what's happened
to you and Atisa, because I feel like by speaking
out on our program, you've been targeted. I have to
tell you, when the Twins left early this morning for
their jobs, I was actually worried.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
I followed them a life.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Thiry sixty, you know, just to make sure they got there.
And I thought, what, what? Where am I living?
Speaker 7 (13:09):
What?
Speaker 5 (13:11):
Why is it like this?
Speaker 1 (13:12):
I want to hear exactly, exactly every detail of someone
coming up to you and spitting at you at a
restaurant last night, every detail.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Yeah, walking out of a restaurant in Midtown. We'd had
a great dinner. It was a fun night with friends,
and we were saying oh goodbyes outside. People in New
York get subways or maybe an uber or a taxi home.
I was waiting for my uber. It had been a long,
long day. I was so looking forward to seeing my
friends and not talking about this monster, not talking about Dinny,
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talking about everything else, and having a drinker Martine. It
was a really great, cathartic night. It was that moment
at the end of a long day that I think
so many people can appreciate and look forward to. And
when I was leaving the restaurant, we hadn't finished talking yet.
We were good we are good friends, and we were
gossiping about Cape Middleton. We were got something about different
(14:07):
stories coming out of London, and somebody tapped me on
my shoulder and I turned around and they said you're
Rob Schutter, aren't you? And I was like yes, and
then they spat.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
They spat.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
They missed me, but they did spit, Nancy. And then
I looked up and I said, what the hell? And
then I realized I had to back off very very
quickly because the hate, the hate in this person's eyes
who does not know me. But let me make this
clear too, They don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Did hey, I worked with him? You didn't I did?
Speaker 4 (14:36):
I know this man? He doesn't care about you. To
think somebody would be that loyal, that emotional, that upset
for somebody that they don't know, and the person they
think they know is not that person, it's heartbreaking, Nancy.
I didn't feel anger. I felt a little bit vulnerable.
I felt a little bit scared. I think I was safe.
I felt sad, Nancy. I felt so so that Diddy
(15:01):
has whipped people up into this frenzy Rob shooter.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
Was it a man or a woman?
Speaker 4 (15:08):
And the spit at you a man? There was three
of them walking together. It looked as if they had
finished work. It looked like they were heading home. It
was just an unfortunate moment where I was in the
wrong place at the wrong time.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
On the wrong day, Robshooter. It's because they don't want
to see. They don't want to know the truth about
Sean Comes. They want to believe what they've believed for
years and years and years. We what Cassie, Mia Jane,
so many others, and what the hey happened to Gina.
(15:42):
Now in retrospect, we know why she didn't come forward,
but they don't want to see. Did I ever tell you,
Shooter that I had my investigator, Ernest.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
We could not have been more different.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
We were together over ten years, through thick and thin.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
Every day, every trial.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
We had one argument in ten years one and it
was over O. J. Simpson because he insisted Simpson was
framed because of his race, and I insisted he was
behind bars because he murdered two people, and that Ernest
(16:25):
didn't want to face the facts that the Simpson he
thinks he knows, the one that's running through the airport
on the commercial or you know, star football player, that's
not the real Orenthal James Simpson.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
And to this day, to this day, he's still mad
at me. He's still mad about put g Simpson.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
We don't even talk about him when we talk, when
we get together we don't even talk about Simpson. Okay,
we do a little. I say, you do know Simpson's guilty, right, Okay,
he's dead, but he's guilty.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
He's still No. They don't want to see these people.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
The people that spit at you last night, don't want
to see the testimony that came out at court. Shooter,
how is that You're the pr guru, you know how
to shape shift everything.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
How is this happening?
Speaker 4 (17:16):
I think, Nancy, for this is a tale as old
as time.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
We have built people up.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
We know in America how to build celebrities, how to
create celebrities. Celebrities are born, they are created, carefully created,
and we turn them into these godlike figures. And often
mostly these celebrities live out our fantasies for us, the
tailor Swifts and the Beyonces, and we wonder what it'd
be like to be that famous and that rich. But
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every's often there's a celebrity that comes along and OJ Simpson,
that did he And when we realize that the image
is not the truth, it can be devastating. This isn't
about a celebrity being rude at Starbucks. This is a crime,
and this is dangerous this is people's lives. What Puffy
(18:02):
did is not just an A list celebrity being a brat.
It's being a criminal. And unfortunately, though the mystique, the image,
the world that we've created where we idolize these people,
they weaponize it. Celebrities know how to use their power
and Puffy did that from the day one, From the
(18:23):
first day he stepped into that courtroom. He knew what
he was doing. He was putting on the Puffy Show,
and we fell for it.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
He's not used to being told no.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
He throws a major tantrum because he can.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
I've seen him get so angry that he looks like
he's about to pass out.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
The veins in his neck are popping.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
The kickings, the beatings, the draggings.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
He just can't believe that somebody says no to him.
It can't believe it.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
With us an all star panel.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
But first, back to Tisa Tills from YouTube Tisa Tills
on YouTube Tea.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Sean comes breaking.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Down and crying like a baby in court when he
is told no bail sent back to the MDC to
await his fate. A hearing is scheduled and the next
three business days for him to come back in court
and make his case. Tell me what happened in court
when Seawn comes in court.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
In court, we saw Judge Aaron.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
Now nobody knows what's in his mind, but the way
he came in, like hell on Wills, it made me
feel that maybe Judge Aaron thought that the jury got
it a bit wrong.
Speaker 7 (19:37):
Mark A.
Speaker 9 (19:38):
Gonnafield, you'll rolled in with his comedy routine that it
worked on those traulve jurors and tried to even say
that the abuse that Jaye suffered being beaten.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
Staplashedly in a shower Hit Diddy was clothed being forced
to do a freak off. Moments later, he tried to
say that it looks like it might have been self defense.
Speaker 7 (20:00):
Judge Aaron shut it down.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
Your client is violent.
Speaker 7 (20:04):
We saw it on the video.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
He said everything that we've been thinking, and he said
he's not getting out. Mark Agnafilio, well, yeah, I know
we can arrange a package that you like. The motion
is denied and I will see you. I believe it's
October second for sentencing unless you have a better idea.
(20:27):
Did he literally that Hubers did he had floated in
He really did do the impossible.
Speaker 7 (20:33):
And I remember last week when Rob was like this man,
I'm telling you the stardust people wanted. I didn't want
to believe it, but.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
This man came floating in off of his star dust,
fully expecting to go home. They had gotten security for
Star Island because they expected him to walk out. That night,
everybody was on and when you saw the way his
whole body slumped, the way he looked like tears were
(21:03):
rolling down his face, all because Judge Aaron finally put
a stop to this nonsense.
Speaker 7 (21:11):
And again I.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
Want to thank Judge Aaron because it had a chilling effect.
Everybody was worried about me last night, but you know what,
I stood tall because I realized they wanted what they
did to Rob.
Speaker 7 (21:22):
They want us afraid to come out.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
They want us to hide in the shadow like roaches,
the way they should be hiding in the shadows. They
want us to be bowed and ashamed and hide away
so they can literally let their deranged king run rapid.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
Kudles from Rob for holding.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
His ground, and kudos for Judge Aaron for finally popping
that bubble and for Diddy to see reality.
Speaker 7 (21:45):
You might have got away with the worst of it,
but the fed still.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
Caught you in their crossheads.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
And in that moment we saw why he was.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
Slumped, head bowed, looking like tears were rolling down his
face because he thought he knew to see reality finally
come crashing in. That was the only justice we got
in that day, but it was a lot of justice
and it was well deserved justice.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
What did you just say about self defense?
Speaker 7 (22:12):
Yes, it makes me so mad to think about it.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
Mark Agnofilial had the nerve to suggest that what did
he did that night with Jane when he forced drugs
down her throat and made a perform a freak all
with fresh bruises and swelling covered up with makeup. Mark
Agnofilial said, there's evidence to suggest.
Speaker 7 (22:36):
That that was some type of self defense that my
client was.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Okay, whit whit white, white, white, white, white, white white.
Wait a minute. Linna Shaw joining me from Lynne's Warrior.
She's the founder and executive director dedicated to ending sex
trafficking and abuse on girls and women. Okay, I've heard
she asked for it. It was her idea, she started it.
(23:02):
It was consensual. She's a slut or as Agnifilo. Agnifilo
said in court she's a beautiful woman, she loves sex.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
On and on, the same.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Old stereotypes you've always heard, but this is a new one.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
It was self defense.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Sean Combs was acting in self defense when he beat Jane.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
Blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Blah, the same old playbook.
Speaker 7 (23:32):
Let's kick it to the curb.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
First of all, I want to say something, a great
shout out to Tissa and to Rob stay safe. I
put out a statement on the Warriors about this right
away with the verdict. I've been attacked relentlessly all day
and all night yesterday, and guess what by women?
Speaker 7 (23:48):
Women?
Speaker 2 (23:48):
So what does this say about all of this? So
now you have a lawyer, a lawyer who's saying self defense.
I've heard this one before, Nancy, anything to blame the victim.
My concern here, though, is society. Is the justice system
itself not understanding accepting all of this. How come all
of those Diddy disciples attacking Tisa and others, how come
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they aren't you in this frenzy to support victims, survivors,
those who testified. Why is it that there's this power
over this criminal, convicted criminal, this monster, pim, pimp, pimp
traffick or traffick er, trafficker. You know what, that playbook
is old. These lawyers can say what they want. My
concern here also is that women are attacking me for
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putting out what I am saying that he is he
got off because they didn't prove sex trafficking and I
don't know what I'm doing. Well, you know what, everybody
should walk in my boots, come along with me with
the warriors, and do the work we do in the communities,
and they'll understand real quickly. These jurors, I wish I
could have taken all twelve of them on the road
with me. They would have convicted him of sex trafficking
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right away because they have to see reality and they're
blinded by as Rob pointed out, and Tisa, this stard ust,
this wealth, this power. But you know what, he's still
at the end of the day, a convicted criminal. He
still is in jail. We still have counts against him,
and he will go down, maybe not right away, in
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the next few years, he's going down joining me.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Troy Slayton, renowned defense attorney and joining us out of
the LA jurisdiction. Troy Slayton, Look, okay, you got a
lot of tricks in your magician's bag that you whip
out in front of jury's to get those not guilty
verdicts that you seem to get sadly frequently. But Troy Slayton,
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in a case like this, have you ever seen the
defense argue self defense that the alleged rapist, the alleged
sex trafficker was acting and self defense. I didn't see
any pictures of bruises on Seawn Comes. All I saw
was him running up and down the halls of the
Intercontinental and nothing but a towel.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
And we now know.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Why he had the towel that he was clutching so desperately,
because he didn't want this to be seen on the camera.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
That said, have you ever seen.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Self defense used by an alleged rapist or an alleged
sex trafficker.
Speaker 10 (26:19):
It's the job of the defense attorney, Nancy to be
a zealous advocate for their client and to do everything
that they can within the framework of the law to
secure an acquittal or to get the best possible deal. Now,
I'm not going to sit here and gloat just because
I got it right all along that the government overcharged
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this case. There was not an overreaching.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
Yes, you would never glow. That's just non choice.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Go here.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
He would never say I told you so. Oh quick, update,
where's Diddy right now? Oh he's in jail. Okay, continue, but.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Not for much longer.
Speaker 10 (27:00):
The sentencing guidelines for what is probably going to end
up being the most expensive prostitution trial in US history
is fifteen to twenty one months. So although he has
what we call maximum exposure of ten years on each count,
which if ran consecutively, would be twenty years, he's not
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going to get that. The starting point for the judge
here is fifteen to twenty one months, not years, and
he's already got starting point.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
I've read it and a nutshell.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Unlike state court where I prosecuted in felony superior court,
where the judge had great, great leeway and dependent on
the state to make a very convincing argument when it
came to sentencing, in federal court, there's something called the
federal guidelines. The sentencing guidelines why, because federal judges number one,
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they're a pointed for life. They can do whatever they
want to, just like the US Supreme Court. Okay life,
In case you didn't know, they're not realized they can't
get thrown.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Out, they can get impeached.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Okay, I'm you named five justices, Name one justice, one
justice US Supreme Court justice, it's ever been impeached?
Speaker 5 (28:17):
Hearing nothing, I'll continue forward. The sentencing guidelines are.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Instituted because federal judges across the country had wildly divergent
sentences for this same crime, and defense was starting to.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
Say, hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. He got five
years and you're giving me life. How can that be?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
So the sentencing guidelines were put in place to kind
of corral the federal judges into behaving and having a
more consistent sentencing guideline.
Speaker 5 (28:45):
However, there are in a nutshell.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
I'm not gonna let Troy Slayton give you a legal
treatise on this. There are upward and downward departures. And
I know a lawyer now just barred that made a
living of getting snitches behind bars to make up stories
to help get downward departures.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
Downward departures are.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
When you present the judge evidence to the defendant's favor
that gets the judge to give a lesser sentence.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
There are also exactly departures.
Speaker 10 (29:20):
It's called mitigations or aggregating factors. And that's what the
attorneys for Diddy are going to do. They're going to
say all the great things about him in order to
try and get the judge to downward depart or deviate
from the sentencing guidelines. It used to be in this country, Nancy,
that the sentencing guidelines were mandatory. The judge was confined
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to in this case to fifteen to twenty one months.
But that's no longer the case. The twenty years why
discretion to sentence up to the maximum in this sorce.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
But it's not going to happen. Diddy is going to
be out in a matter of months, not years.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Your TISA tales give us the sentencing day, which is
not until October.
Speaker 5 (30:02):
But Shawn Combs is back in court.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Within the next three business days to have a bill hearing.
But as to what Slayton's saying, he's absolutely correct. The
sentencing for Shawn comes could be anywhere from fifteen months,
which is the lower end of the federal sentencing guidelines,
all the way up to twenty years. Twenty years where
I get that the max on each one of these
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counts is ten years. If he gets the max on
each count, which I believe he should get in light
of the violence of this case. Then you run those consecutively,
one after the other. That's twenty years. Enjoy comes Enjoy. Okay,
back to Tisa tells Tisa, I also heard you say
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in addition to Shawn Combs's self defense theory, magnif Loow
threw out to the judge yesterday. I think I saw
the judge doing this on the stand. But that said,
you also said some thing about Star Island.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
What did you say?
Speaker 6 (31:03):
Diddck's team was so confident that Diddy was coming home
that night, they got listened. They won the game, but
they decided to do a victory layup.
Speaker 5 (31:15):
They were so confident he was coming home that.
Speaker 11 (31:17):
They got security and staff on Star Island in order
to embrace the homecoming of their dark overload the amount
of hubris.
Speaker 7 (31:30):
And by the way, let's go back to that self
defense okay.
Speaker 12 (31:33):
The judge looked at Diddy and its exact words were,
your client enrolled in a batterer's program in New York
City right before he got arrested again.
Speaker 7 (31:45):
How could this be self defense where the first thing
he did.
Speaker 13 (31:49):
Was run in New York City and enroll in a
Batteri's program so he could say, oh my God, or
change my ways, and a batterer's program for the abuser.
Marine called me stick up and said, your honor, his
brazeness is ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (32:03):
It is he has no shame. It was quite a
moment to see. Did he be pulled down to reality?
But the hubers to think that he was coming home
because again, Nancy, I was disappointed with the verdict, But
like you said, okay, there are two serious criminal charges,
and judging.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
By the way the judge was reading.
Speaker 7 (32:24):
Mark Agnifilio, the Riot Act.
Speaker 6 (32:26):
Whatever is the maximum that he can go, I think
it's going to be more higher than lower.
Speaker 7 (32:32):
This is not going to be time served.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
And yes it is a small consolation prize, but hopefully
Diddy will at least be away for at least four
or five years. Anybody knows you're better at that than
I am, Nancy. But again it is a small act
of mercy that he will be accountable for some of
his crimes.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Okay, the Star Island thing, repeat, the Star Island incident.
Speaker 7 (32:56):
They were so confident this man was coming home.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
They had the party of all parties a homecoming like
you've never seen planned. They had full security go down
there again, remember last time they tried to get him
a released on bail.
Speaker 7 (33:12):
We're gonna have private security. We're gonna have this. We're
gonna have that.
Speaker 6 (33:15):
Okay, so you're gonna be l Chapo and create your
own prison on a luxury resort.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Shut up?
Speaker 7 (33:19):
Did he?
Speaker 5 (33:20):
They had full security on staff that.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
Would be in line with what the level that probation
of probation officer would demand.
Speaker 7 (33:30):
They had celebrity friends to greet him.
Speaker 6 (33:33):
They had a whole shindic planned, and they really thought
that man was walking out of there that night.
Speaker 7 (33:38):
And by the way, Nancy, I don't think.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
Enough people have talked about these low life celebrities that
came out in droves to congratulate him because he got
off on Rico, leaving comments, you can't go to jail
for being freaky. Yeah, I know you thought your whole
lifestyle was in danger. But nobody is talking about the celebs.
And now that he's been found not guilty and the
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jury did.
Speaker 7 (34:02):
This, they are now coming out and giving him.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
His full support.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
That comeback tour that I thought was just a pipe dream,
it looks like it might be coming to fruition. I
don't even think he has to do the fake church
route to get back in the good graces of the
celebrity friends.
Speaker 7 (34:18):
But they are all coming out.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
Of the word works.
Speaker 6 (34:20):
Look at the post he put liking everything. Congratulations, I
knew you're coming home. Pay attention to who now is
speaking up, and that's going to tell you who was
probably worried about Diddy going down.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
Who's speaking up? Who's speaking up?
Speaker 7 (34:34):
So many musicians, so many.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
Actors, actresses.
Speaker 14 (34:39):
I can go to the Instagram right now, the posts
they put up. Look at everybody that's in the comments,
liking it, liking it, giving words of confidence, good to
see you home.
Speaker 7 (34:49):
King.
Speaker 6 (34:50):
There are so many celebrities, And again it makes me
wonder because you guys are so quiet, and now you're
speaking up. Maybe you're happy that you're white. Life has
been lived to survive another day, because why were they
so quiet before? Maybe these were some of the people
that were worried about Diddy actually speaking.
Speaker 5 (35:09):
You know, it's like roaches.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
When you turn the light on, they all run and
hide when the light's being shined on them. But you
cut the lights off and they can get away. With
anything in the dark, when nobody knows what's going on,
when nobody can see what they're doing. Speaking of refusing
to see the evidence, going into the jury deliberations with
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blinders on about who they think Sean comes is.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
How could they ignore his apology.
Speaker 15 (35:38):
It's so difficult to reflect on the darkest times in
your life.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Sometimes you got to do that.
Speaker 15 (35:48):
I was, I mean, I hit rock bottom, but I.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Make no excuses.
Speaker 15 (35:55):
My behavior on that video is inexcusable. Full responsibility for
my ashes in that video. I'm disgusted. I was disgusted
then when I did it. I'm disgusting now and when
and I sought out professional help now to go into therapy.
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I'm going to rehab. Had to asked God for his
mercy and grace. I'm so sorry, but I'm committed to
be a better mansion every day.
Speaker 16 (36:40):
I'm not asking for forgiveness. I'm truly sorry.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
In the next three business day, Shawn comes aka did
he back in court begging for bond, his sentencing set
for October.
Speaker 5 (36:57):
What will go down in that bond?
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Here the judge has given us a couple of clues. Yesterday,
when Shawn Combs kept going trying to get called on
like the judge was a school teacher. While his lawyer Agnifilo,
was making an argument, the district court judge, Judge Aaron
Subramian ignored Shawn Combs.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
And said to the defense.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Quote, you full throatedly, that's harsh for a judge. You
full throatedly, in your closing argument told the jury that
there was violence here, and domestic violence is violence. You
said this was the case that did have violence. As
to the basic question of violence. You conceded that, admitted
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that in your closing and then Agnifilo, in his wisdom,
come back. I think I just think we should trust him.
Speaker 5 (37:56):
He won't flee.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Okay, Rob Shooter joining us from Naughty but Nice podcast
at robshooter dot subseac dot com. You heard that the
celebration was already planned at Star Island.
Speaker 5 (38:11):
Where is Star Island? What is it?
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Yees?
Speaker 4 (38:12):
Star Island is in Florida. It's by my amme. It's
a luxury island that you need to get permission to
get on and off.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
They have a.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
Security guard when you enter the one bridge that takes
you to this island, and there's one bridge that takes
you out. Multimillion dollar homes. These are not just rich people,
these are super rich people. The average home on Star
Island is about forty million dollars. I've been to a
party on Star Island, not at Diddy's house, but on
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the island. Not that many homes on the island, I'd
guess about fifteen twenty total, all celebrity neighbors, all super
super super rich. And now these elites, these very wealthy
people who have spent a fortune on these homes, now
they're going to have to at some point welcome did
He back as a neighbor. They are not happy about this.
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This is not going to be good for the price
of their homes. They want rid of him in a
way that a lot of people standing at that courtroom
screaming and shouting don't. And so his fans are supporting him.
His neighbors one him got.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
They were already preparing the party at Star Island in Florida.
Speaker 5 (39:27):
Keep shooter up, isn't it true?
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Star Island is ninety nautical miles to Cuba. On a yacht,
you can get to Cuba in less than four hours.
So did he goes out on a moonlight cruise on
a yacht? He gone right from Cuba. You can go
anywhere in the world, right, think about it, Shooter, think
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you use that noodle man?
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Yeah, we should all be using our noodles. Nancy, You're
absolutely right. While the lobster is chilling and the champagne
is on ice, people waiting at this party, he can
literally jump on a boat and get this. His home
has a dock. He doesn't even have to go anywhere.
That boat can pull up literally in his backyard. He
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can jump on a yacht, on a boat under the
cover of darkness, under night, and slip away and will
never ever see him again.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Rob Sheeter, is it true that you just published an
article there is going to be a Sean Comet did
He Women's shelter for abused and beaten women?
Speaker 5 (40:43):
I guess he could fill the whole thing up.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
Yeah, Nancy.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
So last night I hit the phones and thank you
for all the support you've been given my sub stack,
and so this morning I posted a story. I spoke
to three different did He insiders last night saying what's next?
Speaker 3 (40:57):
What is he going to do?
Speaker 4 (40:58):
I've reported about the comeback up potentially with Kanye West.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
What else does he plan to do?
Speaker 4 (41:04):
And all my sources told me that he's going to
use this moment as a marketing opportunity. He is shameless.
This is a chance for him to bounce back. He
thinks to be bigger than ever, and I can see
him Nancy standing outside a did He women's shelter, cutting
the ribbon, saying that he's a protector of women.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
He loves women.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
He's going to flip this narrative. There are no concrete
plans for this yet, I point out in the story,
but it's just one of the options that did He
and his team are exploring. How can he bounce back,
not just in music, not just in fashion, but how
can he get his reputation back. Normally we see celebrities
going to rehab, remember that, Nancy, They always go off
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to reab for a few weeks. I'm told Didi he's
not going to do that. But he's going to open
up potentially several different shelters for battered women around around
the country. This is something that is seriously nan say
being discussed.
Speaker 5 (42:01):
Linn Shaw.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Not not going to happen, never gonna happen. He and
his team can talk all they want. They can spend
millions of dollars on strategies. They can go on every show,
which I'm sure he will make his you know, comeback
tour being paid who knows how much money to I'm
not even calling that because to me, he's dead. So
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there's no resurrection with this degenerate. Okay, it's never going
to happen. If we at the Warriors have to get
every warrior we know to go out and stop this,
we will do it because you know what we know.
He's all you have to think about is that Cassie video.
I think the judge, even you know, with no bail,
is like, no, the Cassie video.
Speaker 5 (42:42):
In his mind.
Speaker 7 (42:43):
I'm not a mind reader.
Speaker 5 (42:45):
He is going to fall.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
I maintain right now, things they may think are looking good.
I'm reminding everybody all day, yesterday and today. He's still
a convicted criminal. He's still sitting in jail. He's an offender.
Offenders don't change their strike. He will come out eventually
and he will reoffend or do something worse. He's not
going to change. I maintain these shelters they talk about
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it's going to be a nice pr stunt, It's not happening,
no way in hell under the Warrior's watch.
Speaker 7 (43:15):
We're not allowing this.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
From armand Wiggins on Instagram.
Speaker 5 (43:31):
Did he no bail?
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Did he cries in court like a little baby man up?
For Pete's sake? You got off on three counts. Why
are you crying in court?
Speaker 5 (43:44):
I'll tell you why.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Because he and all of his followers were convinced he
was going to walk out of the courthouse and to
his star isled party last night.
Speaker 5 (43:52):
That did not happen.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
And the judge doesn't seem happy with the arguments the
defense has made. Judge, please please hear the cries of
the victims and sentence. Shawn comes to ten plus ten
behind bars, joining me now. Doctor Dwayne Hendrix, former Associate
Warden MDC in Brooklyn, former Senior warden with the US
(44:17):
Department of Justice, Federal Bureau of Bureau of Prisons, on
and On, President New Daylight Foundation, and author of Who
Are You See It?
Speaker 5 (44:27):
Say It? And Sees It?
Speaker 1 (44:29):
I don't know how you even have time to appear
with us tonight for Pete's sake, but I'm glad that
you have, Doctor Dwayne Hendrix, thank you for being with us.
Will Seawn comes stay at the Brooklyn NBC until his
sentencing In October.
Speaker 17 (44:44):
Yes, Nancy, much of the dismay of Seawan Colmbs and
his family and supporters. He will be at NBC until
his sentencing in October, and mainly because one he probably
needs to be there, but secondly means time to complete
the pre sentenced investigation report, which I understand the defense
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was trying to wave that so they can hurry up
and get the sentencing. And I have a particular I
think I have a belief why that was done, mainly
because they probably don't want to hear the impacts.
Speaker 16 (45:17):
They don't want to hear the victim impact statements.
Speaker 17 (45:21):
They don't really want to continue to go over the
office and conduct because again it talks about the violence
with the judge had mentioned yesterday in the bail hearing,
and as well as his family history. I think that
may be an issue for him as well, because I
don't think he wants to really explain his childhood and
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how he developed the habits that he has, the habits
that has.
Speaker 16 (45:45):
Come to what we saw in the testimony in his trial.
Speaker 17 (45:50):
So he will be at NBC, and if he is smart,
he'll keep his nose clean, He'll stay quiet, he'll comply
with the investigation and hope some of the mintingating factors
will come into play so that the judge won't go
with the higher recommendation of fifty one to sixty months,
which the government argued yesterday, and go with the twenty
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one to twenty seven months that his the first.
Speaker 16 (46:15):
Team arguing.
Speaker 5 (46:22):
Crime stores with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
In a nutshell, choice light and veteran defense attorney. What
is a PSI pre senate's investigation report.
Speaker 10 (46:34):
It's where a professional probation officer goes out and does
a full investigation, talks to the victims, talks to anyone
involved in the case. Usually they even talk to the
defendant themselves. I always say that my client can speak
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to them, but not about the facts of the case.
They could talk about their family history, They could talk
about what it is that that brought them there except
the facts of the case. I mean, what brought them
to that point in their life.
Speaker 3 (47:10):
But it's it's so that.
Speaker 10 (47:11):
Way the judge could have a neutral and independent look
at the history, the history of the person, so that
way they can make the most fair determination.
Speaker 5 (47:22):
You want to hear what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
I like the part about hearing what the victims have
to say at the PSI President's Investigation.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
Report, this is our criminal justice system.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
You need to hear Sean Comes talk about how I
got here. Do I need for him to tell the
story of his childhood?
Speaker 10 (47:40):
Yes, you do, Nancy, because that's part of the mommy
and daddy.
Speaker 5 (47:44):
Because I'm a sex trafficker, excuse me, a pimp.
Speaker 10 (47:47):
A judge needs to weigh all the mitigating and aggravating factors.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
That means the things that.
Speaker 10 (47:54):
Go into favor and things that go against him.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
Sidney Sandridge arning me Crime Stories, investigative reporter, Isn't it true?
In court yesterday the defense tried to force a bail
hearing yesterday so Comes could get out on bail immediately,
and as part of that, they said something about he
has to go home and take care of his elderly mother.
Speaker 5 (48:16):
Was that the one in court in the zebra print outfit?
Speaker 18 (48:18):
Absolutely green and cream zebra print. They argued that Colmes
needs to be an exception to mandatory holding for the
Man Act because of his responsibilities as a father and son.
Speaker 5 (48:33):
Okay, I'm glad you told me that.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
To doctor Sherry Schwartz, joining US renowned forensic psychologist specializing in
this capital mitigation and victim advocacy. You can find her
online at panther mitigation dot com on Twitter at trial Doc.
She's the author of Criminal Behavior and I really like
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this one where law and psychology inter issues with legal psychology.
Speaker 5 (49:03):
Not to denigrate the.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
Other guests, but saving the best for last, not to
Sherry Schwartz has to take care of his elderly mom.
She's been in court totally decked out like a fashion model,
walking the runway on fashion week every date.
Speaker 5 (49:21):
Not judging. She's gorgeous, she's beautiful, but she does not
need looking after inn Oh and what is this about?
He needs to be there to take care of his children.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
Where were his children during all those free costs and
all the traveling all around the world so he could
evade justice and a free cost in other country hotels.
Speaker 5 (49:41):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 19 (49:43):
There are many criminal defendants who need to take care
of their elderly or sickly loved ones and their children,
and yet they don't get a defense lawyer who stands
up in the courtroom and says with a straight face, Oh,
he needs an exception to the rules that apply to
the rest of the mere mortal war world. Because he
has money and fame and a life to live. This
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mitigation that I'm hearing so far is offensive. It offends
the senses. And to me, if he wants to donate
some of his millions of dollars to domestic violence shelters
that exist already, wonderful, that could be good mitigation for him.
But to suggest that he should control opening his own
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domestic violent shelters because he loves women and he cares
about what happens to women, this lacks all credibility and
it's patently offensive, and it just seems to feed into
the narcissistic qualities that have come out about him in
this trial.
Speaker 5 (50:43):
He Santika has been some of his millions.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
Try this shee on billions, billions, as in brother billions
of dollars. Doctor Sherry, you know we were talking earlier,
Doctor Sherry guys bet me, doctor Sherry Schwartz, forensics psychologist,
about how many people I believe, including the jury like.
Speaker 5 (51:03):
They did in the O. J.
Speaker 1 (51:04):
Simpson case, like they did in the Michael Jackson case,
are blinded by fame.
Speaker 5 (51:10):
I mean, Michael Jackson is one.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
Of the most talented musicians, frankly that have lived in
our lifetime. Okay, many people put in right up there
with Elvis, but that did not take away from the claims.
Speaker 5 (51:28):
But the jury saw Jackson for the star that he was.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
The jury saw Simpson for the star that he was,
and a star can be blinding, and I believe that.
I believe that's what happened in this case.
Speaker 7 (51:43):
I agree with you, Nancy.
Speaker 19 (51:44):
There's a sense that we have when there are well
known celebrities that find contact with the criminal justice system
and go on trial, that we already know them. The
same happened with oj Simpson. We feel like, oh, we
know this person. You know, this is the guy running
through the airport with a nice smile on his face
trying to catch his plane for the car rental commercials.
Speaker 5 (52:06):
So that overshadows I.
Speaker 19 (52:08):
Think in many ways, for a lot of people, the
evidence that they're hearing at trial, And in this particular case,
it was probably pretty difficult to find people that didn't
already have some knowledge of Sean Combs and what he
was famous for and his connection to other celebrities and
being a music mogul. That probably overshadowed it. But the
(52:29):
other thing, Nancy, is that a lot of times jurors.
They do see it like your story that you shared
earlier about the juror who said this is the best
thing that ever happened to her. They say this as
an opportunity. Oh, I can sit on this trial as
a juror and it can be a money making opportunity
for me, or give me some proximity to fame down
(52:50):
the road.
Speaker 7 (52:51):
And that's a problem, that's a big problem.
Speaker 5 (52:53):
You're right, doctor Sherry Schwartz.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
Doctor Dwayne Hendrix is with us former associate Warden, MDC
in Brooklyn. Doctor Hendrix, now that we know exactly what
convictions came down on Combs, does that give you a
better sense? And they are non bondable offenses, so I
(53:16):
don't know how the defense is going to try to
get around that in the next three business days when comes.
Speaker 5 (53:21):
Is back in court.
Speaker 1 (53:22):
But that said, now that you know the counts on
which was convicted, does that alter your opinion as to
which pen which CI Correctional Institute penitentiary he will live
in as his forever home slightly?
Speaker 17 (53:39):
Because in previous episodes we talked about if he was
convicted of the higher offenses such as rico or racketeering
or sex trafficking, he would probably end up in a
maximum or high security facility, but since he was convicted
of the lesser charges, most likely he will end up
at a low security facility, or perhaps, depending on which
(54:01):
way the judge goes, if he's sentenced to less than
two and a half years, he may actually end up
spending his time at NBC Brooklyn as a work cadre
or a trustee within the building. So, but more likely
he'll probably end up at a low security facility within
five hundred miles of his designated release address. So I
(54:23):
don't know if he's going to tell him he wants
to release to his Los Angeles home, his Miami home,
or New York, and there are several low security institutions
in all of those areas within five hundred miles.
Speaker 16 (54:35):
So that's my prediction at this point.
Speaker 5 (54:38):
Doctor Hendrix.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
Isn't it true that since Seawn comes beat three of
the five charges, he will now be considered king of
the inmates behind bars?
Speaker 16 (54:48):
No, he will not be considered a king behind me.
Speaker 1 (54:51):
Will, Yes, he will. The other inmates are going to
look up to him and celebrate him. He's going to
be king of the inmates.
Speaker 5 (54:58):
He is well.
Speaker 16 (54:59):
I mean, I respect your opinion, but I just don't
see it.
Speaker 17 (55:02):
I mean in a sense that they may feel good
about him beating the bigger charges, but there's no way
a sex offender now in a sense of it's not
like he's being convicted of sex trafficking, but he still
has the sex connotation with the charge.
Speaker 16 (55:18):
So two things you don't want to be.
Speaker 17 (55:21):
I've said this before, two things you don't want to
be in the prison setting or jill setting. One is
an informant and the other one is a sex offender,
and he fits one of those categories.
Speaker 16 (55:31):
So no, he will not be the king of the institution.
Speaker 1 (55:34):
As we wait for justice to unfold and for Shawn
comes to be back in a court of law in
the next few business days, we stop to remember an
American hero officer, Jared Friddle comb PD, just forty, killed
in the line of duty, survived by loving wife now widow, Carrie,
and their five children sentenced to life without dada Mason, Jackson, Brayden,
(56:04):
and Allison American hero officer Jared Friddle. Nancy Grace signing
off goodbye friend,
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Nancy Grace
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