July 26, 2022 • 41 mins
As Lori and Chad Daybell move closer to trial, Tammy Daybell's death is back in center stage.
Tammy Daybell's death is initially ruled natural causes. The seemingly healthy 49-year-old is training to run a 4K race, but Chad Daybell reports that his wife is dead in the bed beside him one morning.
The family refuses an autopsy, but as bodies seem to pile up around the newlywed family, Daybell's body is exhumed. Although authorities have not publicly released her cause of death, Tammy Daybell's children say she died of asphyxiation.
Joining Nancy Grace Today:
- David Leroy - Attorney at Law (Boise, ID), Former Idaho Attorney General, Former Idaho Lieutenant Governor & Former Prosecutor (Ada County), DLeroy.com, Facebook.com/BoiseCriminalDefense Author: "Mr. Lincoln's Book"
- Dr. Shari Schwartz - Forensic Psychologist (specializing in Capital Mitigation and Victim Advocacy), PantherMitigation.com, Twitter: @TrialDoc, Author: "Criminal Behavior" and "Where Law and Psychology Intersect: Issues in Legal Psychology"
- Joe Scott Morgan - Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University, Author, "Blood Beneath My Feet", Host: "Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan"
- Leah Sottile - Journalist, Author: "When the Moon Turns to Blood: Lori Vallow, Chad Daybell, and a Story of Murder, Wild Faith, and End Times, (Twelve Books), Podcasts: "Two Minutes Past Nine" & "Bundyville", LeahSottile.com, Twitter: @Leah_Sottile, Instagram: @leah.sottile
- Nate Eaton - News Director, EastIdahoNews.com Twitter: @NateNewsNow, Instagram: @n.eaton - Instagram
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Crime stories with Nancy Greece cult mom Lorie Valo. Does
it never end with this woman? All right? First we
have her two children, JJ entirely ages seven and sixteen,
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just turned sixteen. They go missing, and what does mommy do?
Put up missing flyers and posters, scan the area, beg
for help, make TV appeals to help find her children.
Know she skips town. She first proops all of their
belongings into storage that she hasn't thrown away, then skips
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town with her new boyfriend, Chad day Belle the Prophet.
They head to Hawaii for a beach wedding. She wears
the dress and the ring that she coincidentally bought just
before his wife, Tammy Day Bell died in her sleep.
Either they're guilty of Tammy's murder or they're clairvoyant. That's
(01:13):
just me, my speculation, But now renewed interest in the
cause of day Belle's wife, Tammy day Belle's death. He
told police she died peacefully in her sleep. Excuse me.
She was healthy as a horse, she was competing in
(01:37):
a marathon. She was young, she was in her forties,
her whole life in front of her. Die in her sleep.
Now the autopsy report revealing she died of asphyxiation. I'm
Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
with us here at Fox Nation and series X one
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eleven and take a listen first to our France at
Katie v K. The day Bells told CBS that Chad
woke up frantic that morning when he discovered Tammy was dead.
They said it was their decision not Chads to buy
past the autopsy. They claimed the forty nine year old
was in quote failing health. She would get out of
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breath very quickly and would get very tired, and she
started going to bed very early at night. According to
newspapers in Idaho, Chad told Tammy's father that she went
to bed with a terrible cough. Respiratory diseases are associated
with asphyxia, sleep Bathman's associated with asphyxia. So you know,
(02:40):
if you absolutely bathmia, how many people stop reading for
a little while. Doctor Franklovechio, a medical toxicologist, says that
asphyxia is a general term that usually means there's a
lack of oxygen. He says it can be caused by
something you and jest or inhale, including opiates, or from choking.
Is somebody going out on a lamb and saying that
this deeply religious woman asphyxiated because she was high on heroin.
(03:05):
Because I don't really believe that with me an all
star parliament. First, let me go to our friend and colleague,
Nate Eaton has been on the story from the very beginning.
He's a news director at East Idaho News dot Com.
Nate really opiates what's next A piano fell, honor Well
the other team, Nancy. That I want to say is
that just two weeks before Tammy died, she spent time
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by herself with her family members, and they have all
told me that she was just fine. She was healthy,
She was not complaining of being in ill health. She
drove seven eight hours to be with her family members
by herself. So this talk that she wasn't feeling well,
that she was going to bed earlier, No one outside
of the immediate family was saying anything like this, And
(03:50):
I don't get it. You know, I need you. Joe
Scott Morgan Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University,
author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon starm a
great hit series. I think you have a special episode
dropping today Joe Scott Morgan Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan.
Joe Scott, Okay, wait a minute, Wait a minute, I'm
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hearing heroin as the possibility. You hear Nate eight and
describing a seven to eight hour drives she just took
on her own. Family was with her two weeks before.
All of that should factor in to the autopsy report decision.
But I never really associate asphyxia with being tired when
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you go up the steps and out of breath. That
doesn't compute for me. No, it doesn't. You're not afraid
to tell me I'm wrong, are you, Joe Scott? Never?
Because if I am telling me so, I don't repeat
the same mistake over. I'll tell you you're wrong. I
guarantee you that in this case, you're not. I gotta
say this. You know, anytime you hear asphyxia, it's got
a nefarious undertone to it. But what about a medical examiner.
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They may not feel that way. Well, what medical examiner
in this case? Because an autopsy wasn't performed for a
long long time, after all the evidence has gone and
that's the tragedy in this Nancy. But Ultimately it was decided.
Was it not, Nate eten that it was asphyxia as
the cod cause of death? How was that determined? Ate?
(05:16):
Because Jess Scott's right. The family. Now you hear in
that last sound I played for you, Thank you, Jackie.
The sound said that the family, the children decided not
to have an autopsy. A mommy who just mysteriously dies
in her sleep. Oh hell no, I would want to
know what happened. But they're not the ultimate decision makers.
Isn't that true? David Leroy Davey joining me out of
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Boise He former Idaho attorney general. Wow, it's not like
this is your first murder case. Former Idaho Attorney General,
Lieutenant governor, prosecutor. Wow. You can find him at d
leroy dot com. Isn't it the husband the next of
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ki And if the husband is deceased or you're divorced,
then you go to your child. But this was all
Chad day Bell's decision not to do an autopsy. I
don't care who's taken the fall this morning or if
she didn't make the decision. He set up the facts
that caused the locally elected coroner to make the decision
not all of our coroners in Idawa's forty four counties
are sophisticated in these matters. And whether he made the decision,
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deferred from the county coroner, or convinced the county corner,
it was Chad's adventure solely. Now, when it looks like
a death by natural causes, David Leroy, if it looks
like a duck, it walks like a duck, it quacks
like a duck, it is a duck. So if the
circumstances are told to the coroner, who may or may
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not be a medical doctor, they're elected, I think, or appointed.
If the coroner says, okay, yet natural cause is based
on what you're telling me, we don't need an autopsy.
Can't the next of ken ask for an autopsy, or
anybody can ask for one? But again it's the coroner's call.
And in Idaho, any suspicious, unattended death not under the
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care of a medical doctor does get an examination by
that coroner. So obviously somebody missed some signals or somebody
was crossly inappropriately misled in this case. Okay, hold on
just a second, David Leroy, will you say those last
three sentences again about an unattended death results in autopsy
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in your jurisdiction. No, it doesn't result in an autopsy.
It results in the corner making an examination and making
a decision. It can result in an autopsy, but it's
the coroner's call, exclusively. Coroner's call, exclusively. Guys, you were
just hearing our friends at kat VK three. I'll take
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a listen again to Kim Powell. Tammy died in her
sleep in October twenty nineteen, and her kids told police.
State didn't want an autopsy done, and she was buried
in her hometown in Utah. Then two months later her
body had to be exhuomed. Now, the five day Belled
children told CBS News they were told she died of asphyxia,
but they're still not convinced their dad had anything to
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do with it. On October ninth, Tammy day Bell posted
this on Facebook saying a guy in a ski mask
tried to shoot at her in her driveway outside of Rexburg, Idaho.
Ten days later, she died in her sleep and was
buried without an autopsy, and two weeks after that, her
husband of nearly thirty years, Chad day Bell, married Laurie Vallo.
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Eventually investigators revealed they believed Alex Cox, Laurie's brother, was
that masked gunman at the end of Tammy's driveway. You know,
the masked gunman at the end of the driveway. That's
a whole another can of worms, which we are going
to get into. Nate eight and joining from East Idees
dot Com. Tell me about the whole exhimation process. Why
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did that happen? Was there an octope after the exhimation
and that's how we know the cod was asphyxiation. Then
I'm going to go to you, Joe Scott, so you
can tell me what that means. And regular people talk
hit at night. Well, Tammy died October twenty nineteen, three
months later in December in Utah. It was an early
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early Saturday morning. The investigators went in, they exsumed her body.
She was back in the ground within a matter of hours.
An autopsy was completed. They did not release the information
that the autopsy was done for a year and a half.
Now I want to make it clear they have not
officially released the autopsy results. Chad kids have gone on
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television and said what they've been told, And I have
sources close to the investigation that confirmed. They confirm it
was affixiation. A lot of people thought she was poisoned,
that there was some other, you know, nefarious way in
which she died, But multiple sources are saying it was
affixiation and that's what the children say. Investigators told them. So. Yes,
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she was in the ground for three months before they
resumed her body and did the autopsy. Nate Eaton, do
we have any idea about the manner of death? She
died of asphyxiation, lack of oxygen? Was it manual or
ligature's triangulation? Was there the popping of the particularly in
the eyeball or their marks on the neck? Was a
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pillow put over her head? And Joe Scott, you've got
to explain to us all how we were able to
tell the difference from a dead body. So is there
anything in an autopsy report you can tell us about,
Nate Eaton as two manner of death. No, they have
not released any of that. But what I can tell
you is that the night Tanny died, Alex Cox was
parked at a church two miles from the house. They
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have pinned his cell phone. He was in that church
parking lot. So I believe that they're going to focus
on the fact that he was somehow involved with Chat
and Laurie in making this happen. Time stories with Nancy Grace.
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I love to say, when you don't know a horse,
look at his trick record. There is Lori Valo's brother,
Alex Cox, appearing at so many deaths. He's the one
that took JJ out of the home. Everybody correct me
if I'm wrong, because there's so many facts to digest.
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He's the one that took seven year old JJ out
of the home and his pj's. His body found later
wrapped in duct tape in the same pj's. I pray
to God they can get some type of fiber hair
or epiphilial cell evidence off that duct tape linking back
to Alex Cox. So you've got him connected to JJ.
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You have him Alex Cox, as I recall in the
photo the last known photo of JJ Entailly where they're
taken to a national park just before their death. You
also have him gunning down and a false case of
self defense, one of the many husbands of cult mom
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Laurie Vallo. So somehow he mysteriously appears when people drop dead,
and here he is pinging two miles away in an
empty parking lot. The same night, Tammy day Bell mysteriously
dies in her sleep by asphyxiation. Before I go to you,
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Joe Scott Morgan, hold all those medical thoughts, all those
death investigator thoughts, I want to go out to special
guests joining us in addition to David Leroy, Dotor, Sherry Schwartz,
Joe Scott Morgan, Nate Eaton, Leah Stilli. Leah is journalist
author of When the Moon Turns to Blood, Lorie Valo,
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Chad day Bell, and a Story of Murder, Wild Faith
and in Times. But that's just one of her twelve books.
You can find her at Leah Stilli dot com, Leah
Avenging Angel. Alex Cox, I call him a massive murderer,
But what do you make of it? Well, when you
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were just speaking about him, I was just thinking, don't
forget that. Alex Cox also teased Lorie Valo's third husband,
who then was found dead leader Thank you. No investigators
have looked into that death again. But yeah, I mean
he was Joseph Ryan. It does the brain exactly. And
you know, Alexe Cox and Marie Vello have a really
inordinate and not normal amount of dead people around them,
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and it's very strange. What do you make of the
determination of asphyxia as a cod cause of death for
Tammy day bo I mean, please, I don't have to
be a medical AMiner to figure out that. Lorie Valo,
using her husband's credit card hello his Amazon account, buys
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her wedding dress will wait wait for it, and she
types in beach b e ac H correct me if
I'm wrong, night eight, and I'm sure you will beach
wedding dress. And then they go to Hawaii and they
have a beach wedding two weeks after she orders a dress,
after Tammy day Bale dies in her sleep. I don't
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need a medical degree to figure that out. You're eternally well.
I think it's really interesting because I think the story
of what happened to Tammy, you know, starts fracturing almost
immediately after she died. You know, you have this sort
of what I like to call the sump in the
night story that the children have told that you know,
all of a sudden, there was a sump in the
other room, and then she was half in the bed,
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half out of it and just died suddenly. So strange.
But then you know. Chad was also telling story on
the website another voice of warning, saying she died peacefully
in her sleep. She had sort of smile on her face.
I can't believe I didn't wake up in the night
to hear her. So these tales of what happened to her.
Almost immediately we're not gelling up. They want to follow
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up on something you just said. Doctor Sherry Schwartz is
joining me. Forensic psychologist. I know, David Leroy, you're gonna
want in on this. Doctor Sherry Schwartz is, I said,
forensic psychologists specializing in and this is the name of
one of her books, where a law in psychology intersect.
She's also the author of Criminal Behavior. You can find
her at panthermitigation dot com. Doctor Sherry, I love it
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when someone changes their story. I don't mean adding facts,
because when I would have a witness on the stand
and they would add a fact, I would blame that
on the prior questioner. They didn't ask the right questions,
they didn't ask enough questions. They didn't know about enough
about the material to ask detailed questions. So it's like, yeah,
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I saw the wreck, and then upon further questioning, yeah,
I saw the wreck, but this guy was speeding and
cut in front of the other guy. And then the
next time, yeah, this car was red and that one
was blue. And upon next questioning, yeah, I went to
the scene. I walked over and the driver was drunk
as a skunk. See, if you don't ask all that
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the first time, the story is embellished. But here we've
got two very different stories. She died peacefully in her
sleep with a smile on her face, But the children
say there was a big thump and she was half
in and half out of the bed. That doesn't go together,
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Doctor Sherry, No, it certainly doesn't. This is inconsistent. And
it's also very troubling to me that he feels the
need to say, oh, no, she went peacefully. She died
with a smile on her face, almost like, you know,
don't look too closely at this because there's nothing to
see here. Everything is good. She's gone now, My life
is good, you know. And wasn't there over four hundred
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thousand dollars life insurance policy that he cashed in on?
What about at night? Yeah. The same day that Tyley
was last seen at Yellowstone, Chad finned an application to
increase Tammy's life insurance to the maximum amount allowed under
the policy, four hundred and thirty thousand dollars. He then
tells Tammy that he had a vision that her grandfather
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came to him while he was working outside that she
needed to go see her family by herself, and that
they needed to spend time together. And meanwhile, he's telling
the other group that are in you know, his little
religious group, that Tammy's going to die in a car accident,
so they got the life insurance policy. He sends Tammy
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to go see the family. He's telling people she's going
to die in the car crash. She returns home safe
and sound, then dies in her sleep two weeks later. Okay,
right now, I could just go ahead and make my
summation to the jury. David Leroy. David Leroy is no
stranger to a courtroom attorney at law Boise, former Idaho
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Attorney General, former lieutenant governor, blah blah blah. I mean,
there's so much about him I can't even read at all.
David Leroy could just when a criminal defendant turns clairvoyant.
Nothing can make me happier, nothing, I'll answer. You may
be a little premature in your summation, because you must
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anticipate that the defense will argue that a certain amount
of inconsistency is a hallmark of human truth in testimony,
Sometimes a little defects of recollection jump in there, some
kind thumps in the night have no relationship to what
is actually going on. But you certainly have an argument
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that clairvoyance is going to be a proper lematic for
the defense in this case. And we have seen it before.
Do I have to say? It actually makes my mouth hurt?
Scott Peterson because just before Lacy Peterson goes missing with
her unborn son Connor, there later what they look wash
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up at the San Francisco Bay where Scott Peterson was
fishing the day they go missing. Remember how he told
Amber Fry, his then mistress, who I ain't me and
it's a really nice person. Ps. He tells Amber Fry, Yeah,
this is going to be my first Christmas without my wife.
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She died and then poof, she died. So either he
was clairvoyant or he is a killer. And here we've
gotten Nate Eaton. Coincidentally, on the day he ups his
life insurance policy to nearly half a million dollars on
his wife. He makes multiple clairvoyant predictions that she's going
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to she needs to go visit her family now before
it's too late, sending her on an eight hour drive
by herself, and then reveals she's gonna die, and it
all came true. What about it, Nate, Well, not only
that you mentioned earlier in the show, Nancy, that the
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gunman that showed up at her driveway that police later
say was Alex he thought it was She thought it
was a paintball gunman shooting at her. Well, it turns
out that around that time, investigators have Alex Cox practicing
how to shoot a gun at a gun range and
going to sportsman's warehouse and buying specific type of ammunition
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and researching, excuse me, how to shoot these guns. So
they've got all of this evidence, They've got all of this,
you know, things on camera, things like that lead up
through these critical weeks up until Tammy's death. I can
tell you what's going to happen. He's going to be
the scapegoat at child. They're going to blame Alex Cox
because he's dead. To Leah Sotilli, journalist and author, off
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when the moon turns to Blood, Lorie Valo Chad day
Bell on the story of Murder, Wild Fate and End Times.
Can I talk to you about the thump in the
night and Tammy day Bell half in and half out
of her bed? Could you elaborate on what you know? Well,
it's a bizarre it's a very bizarre story. I think
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that just sounds strange. When Garth day Bell and his
siblings told the story on forty eight Hours, it was
it struck me as very odd that all of a
sudden he tells a story that he hears as something
the other room, and Chad yells for him to come
in and help, and he sees his mother, you know,
half in, half out of the bed, and Chad pacing
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around the room, supposedly pointing at pictures on the wall
of their family, saying, how is this? How? How could
we you know, lose her? How is she gone? I
can't believe it. It's just a very odd story, and
it's it's never quite set right with me, and I
think anyone covering this case. But then to compare that
with Chad's own words saying that you know, she just
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died so peacefully. These are just such disparate stories being
told that you can't help but question it right away.
So Lea's attilie. Is it correct that the children go
in the room, there's a thump, she's half in, she's
half out of the bed, and she's dead at that point,
that's what from from what they discussed, that's what it
sounded like. And then he goes off into a Shakespearean soliloquy,
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David Leroy, you're the trial lawyer, But what are you
going to do with the case like that? Because I
had a case like that. Fyi. A millionaire in Atlanta
totally murdered his wife and he bashed her in the head,
then tried to burn the house down with the cop
scot there he was lying romanesque, lying on the lawn
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across the street. The cops the fire people race up
to him. He starts talking about what he thinks started
the fire, and then he goes, oh, yeah, my wife's
in there anyway. At the hospital, he has this big soliloquy,
a monologue that he preaches out over her deathbed. I
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was so happy anyway. It sounds like the same thing here.
Don't you love the soliloquies and the dramatization over somebody's deathbed. Well,
we all know that people experience things differently and react. Please, Oh,
I'm sure that there will be some attempt to distinguish
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the two stories. So perhaps she had just slipped out
of bed while she was having trouble breathing, was put
back on, etc. Etc. And somehow these two has got
disconnected in time. Yeah, okay, good luck with that, guys.
Of course the whole family blames Laurie Valo. But before
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I get to call it mom, Laurie Valo, I want
to talk to you, Joseph Scott Morgan, death investigator who
has researched and studied the death of Tammy day Bell.
Don't you remember at some point Chad day Bell claimed
that there was a froth mixture, a liquidy, airy froth
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coming from her mouth. What do you make of that?
And what do you make of cod cause of asphyxiation?
And how are we going to tell if it was
Emmanuel literature smothering or she just choked in her sleep
on what our tooth? Yeah, we got to go back
to October nineteenth, that morning when she was found and
it actually, and this even makes this even more intriguing,
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it wasn't actually chat that made that assessment. It was
the daughter that witnessed her mother there and said that
she had froth coming either from her nose or her mouth.
She actually related this to neighbors. And I think this
is quite fascinating because this is something that we see
and many times folks at home can look this up.
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It's referred to as a frothy edemitus cone. And we
see this in cases of heroin O D anything that
suppresses the respiratory system. We see it in drowning. Many
times you will actually see this present when you take
the body out of the water. It's quite fascinating to witness.
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And then we'll also see it in various asphyxial deaths
where you're talking about manual strangulations. You see it a
lot in hangings, and what it's an indication of is
that the lungs are heavily congested. That means that they're
being compromised their ability to uptake oxygen, and so it's pink.
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Many times it's a pink color. And I'm really wondering
in this particular case, is that what you're about to say? No, no, no,
We've heard this thing about asphyxia and it's kind of,
you know, kind of seeped out, you know, into this narrative.
Even though the m down in Utah has yet to
make this comment, I'm wondering if they're correlating their data
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that they're finding there at that exhimation with this comment
that was made by the daughter, did they actually because
let's remember, let's remember this as as as as our
colleague mentioned just a moment ago, this was the coroner's decision,
nobody else's. She could have easily have gone in drawn
blood and not done an autopsy. But she failed to
(26:43):
do that, Okay, And you could have had talks. You
ain't got talks to fall back on now, because body's
been in balmb body's been in the ground. What you're
looking for our physical findings. We're talking about Petikui eyes
a little ruptured. Aren't the eyes removed as part of
the burial process? No no, no, no, no, no no no,
(27:04):
they're not removed. They are not now. They're glued shut
many times. But that's that doesn't inhibit our ability to
examine the su the tiny blood vessels in the eyeball. Yeah,
and also the strap muscles of the neck. Nancy, you
can look in those areas around the neck. If there's
any focal areas of hemorrhage there, you can pick up
on that. Whether they are visible to the naked eye
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or not they're bruising, can be yeah if they are.
But you know the thing about embalming, what's really cool
is it freezes all that stuff in time. You've lost
the blood, but you know these physical manifestations that we
look for as for as trauma stuff doesn't go away.
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Crime stories with Nancy Grace, I want to talk about
the possibility and I'm getting this from one of the
children stating that there was a type of foamy substance
coming from either her mouth or her nose that can
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happen when you have a suppressed respiratory system. What does
that mean? Suppressed respiratory system? Could she have been given
an od of benadrial, an od of NyQuil that suppressed
her system, that made it easier for her to die?
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What about that? Joe Scott. Yeah, there's any number of
agents that can be applied. There are actually certain rape
drugs that can be applied, you know, things like we're
hibbanol and GHB and those sorts of things. Gama HYDROXB
to eight. Yes, yeah, and anything you know, any kind
of opiate, whether it's you know, kind of a naturally
occurring like a morphine type thing or a synthetic opiate.
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You know that's out there, those types of things. If
you're odd, But how are you going to apply what
we were saying earlier? And everybody please jump in with
your thoughts. This is exactly how cases are created and presented.
If the attorney is worth their salt, they discuss it
with other attorneys or their investigator before they go up
(29:22):
in front of a jury. Guys, this is a story
as old as the Garden of Eden, where it's all
eves fought. Well, I can't necessarily say that's entirely wrong
in this case. Take a listen to our friend less
Shrent at Inside Edition. How did the kids feel when
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their father remarried so soon after their mother's death. They were,
like everyone else that was closely following this story, shocked.
They had never heard the name Laurie Valo until she
went by another name, step mom. They were very upset
at first, but they have spent time with Lourie. They
(30:04):
spent time with her, in fact, celebrating Thanksgiving. But they said,
at no point were they aware of her two children? Yeah,
because they're dead. And also our friend Jonathan and Bigliotti
at Secrets of Chad day Bale's back yard on forty
eight hours looking back? Was your father meeting Laurie marrying
(30:24):
her the worst mistake of his life. Absolutely none of
this would have happened if Laurie Valo had never come
into my family's life. It's all her fault. I can't
disagree that she had a heavy hand in it. But
you know, what do you make of that, doctor Sherry
(30:45):
Schwartz the children assisting none of this would have happened
if she hadn't masterminded, if she hadn't made him do it.
S Yes, yes it is Nancy, But I have to
tell her from a victim of advocacy point of view,
people I think need to really give these children some grace.
They have lost their mother right shockingly. She's young and
(31:08):
healthy otherwise, and now she's gone. Two weeks later, dad
marries this woman that they've never heard of, they've never met,
they don't know anything about the kids, and then bodies
of children are found on their property, right you know
they I'm sure we're not immune to the news coverage,
and this is just a defense mechanism to trauma the denial.
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Agree Nan this, I completely agree with you. Go ahead,
jump in, Nancy. This foreshadows the finger pointing that's going
to occur during the trial, back and forth his fault
or fault, etc. If they both go to trial. This
is simply perhaps the first round of that. Guys, eggs
deeper or take a listen to again Johnson Bigliotti at
(31:52):
Our Friends forty eight hours? How did you process all
of that? That was really hard and it really surprised us,
and it was clear that he already had an emotional
connection with her. I know this is a difficult question,
but was your father having an affair with Lorie while
he was married to your mother? That depends on your
(32:14):
definition of affair. Emotionally, I would say yes that physically,
I think my father thought he was in the right
because I haven't had sex with her, so I'm being faithful.
M M isn't sure, you Nate at and you and
I discussed this on end off the camera. One of
Chad Daybale's pickup lines. I can't say that it would
(32:36):
appeal to me is that we lived in another life.
We both been reincarnated, and I was your husband in
a prior life, so we've already had sex, so might
as well do it again. Yeah. He talked about multiple
probations different states. Okay, could you please talk regular people
talk multiple What multiple probations? Are you saying probation? Like
(32:58):
you're sent us to five to two three three five
on probation? Yeah, meaning period of time that we all
his teachings, we all have multiple probations. And one of
the first things he said to Laurie when they met is,
we were married in a previous life of dear Lord
in heaven frey space, and you were a goddess. You
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were a goddess. And by the way, you and I
were supposed to lead the return of Jesus Christ with
one hundred and forty four thousand people. Please do not
drag Christ into a serial murder case. But I guess
you already have. What did you just say about Christ?
(33:38):
The return of Christ and one hundred forty four thousand saved.
They believed that they were going to lead lead the
return of Jesus Christ and that there would be tense
that they would live in the middle of a village.
I guess you could say, and there would be tense
surrounding them, and that Christ would return to their village,
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their town, and they would be part of the second Coming.
They would play a critical role in Christ's return. May
I ask you what that has to do with the
murderers of JJ Entily. Well, I would imagine that the
prosecutors are going to argue that they needed to get
rid of JJ Nentily, and they were telling others that
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they could fulfill their mission, so that this was part
of it, that this was all part of it, and
that because we all have these multiple lives, JJ Nentily's
lives would continue on and they would see them again
according to their teachings we did to Nate Eton before
I moved further into their bizarre religious beliefs. I'm convinced
that a prior attempt had been made on Tammy day
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Bell's life. You alluded to it earlier. A couple of
weeks before she finally did die of asphyxiation in her
own home, in bed with her husband, Chad day Bell,
someone took a shot at her, a couple of shots.
She thought it was a prank and that they were
paintball bullets. Not real bullets. We now know for sure
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that the prankster was the so called Avenging Angel, Laurie
Valla's brother, Alex Cox. In fact, Tammy Daville posted about
the incident, not connecting any nefarious intent to it, on
her Facebook. Correct. Do you remember that? Yeah, it was
October ninth. She got home, it was dark. She said,
(35:29):
she got out of the car and someone started firing
at her. They were wearing a ski match. She said,
what are you doing? And the person took off After
she yelled for help from Chad. She went on Facebook
to warn the neighbors. I mean, this is a very
rural area, but she said, hey, just so you know,
this weird experience happened. She actually called the police, They
took a report, They talked it up to a prank,
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and then two weeks later she was dead. Question to you,
Leah's Attilli, journalist and author of When the Moon Turns
to Blood? How many deaths can we link to Alex Cox,
Lorie Valo's brother. I mean, it's a it's a range.
We've got the information from his cell phone that puts
him in the Daybo backyard. Obviously, when when the children
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were likely buried there you have Charles Valo, Laurie's ex husband,
UM in Arizona in his so called self defense shooting
of him. Um, you've got potentially a connection to the
death of her third husband, Joseph Bryan, who he had
(36:32):
aggressively tasted and had gone to jail for that incident. Um,
you've got this incident that we're discussing with Tammy Davil.
So there there's a number of people who are around
this brother, sister duo. Did you mention j j Entile? Yes, yeah, yeah,
the found in the backyard. Now, I want to circle
(36:53):
back to something David Leroy said earlier about the decision
not to perform an autopsy on Tammy. We now know
her death was by asphyxiation. Take a listen to our
cut one our friend Spinster Blake at three TVCBS. Not
long after Tammy da Bell died in her home in Salem, Idaho,
(37:14):
in mid October, the Fremont County Sheriff's Office received a
call from a detective in Arizona's going to be a
camera A d. Bell. Oh yes, I was the one
that actually took that call. So why from Arizona wanted
to us crazy? Yeah? The funny how everything ties together.
We just have some paces down here that they got
our attention, which Dave Belle. The cases he's talking about
(37:36):
could include the attempted shooting of a relative of Laurie Valo,
Dave Bell, in Gilbert in October, or the July shooting
death of Laurie's late husband, Charles Valo in Chandler. Laurie
married Tammy's husband, Chad day Bell, less than two weeks
after Tammy died. At the time, the Sheriff's office investigated
and said they found nothing suspicious. The coroner ruled the
death was due to natural causes. The dispatcher explains to
(37:59):
the Arizona detective. It wasn't just a coroner who didn't
want to press the investigation any further. The family did
not want an autopsy, so they just went straight to
your home and the family in the family that they
don't want an autopsy either for the corner to find
off and there and on the funeral. Yeah, yeah, I
got a problem with that. The family, as I said earlier,
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made it clear they did not want an autopsy on
Tammy day Belle. Why because when our bodies exhumed, we
find out the causes asphyxia, And to you, are we
going to ever be able to tell do you think
to Scott Morgan whether it was manual ligature suffocation? What?
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Just a simple yes, no, yes, I think we will. Um,
I got a question for you, Lea's Attilli, journalist and author.
How do you believe that their religious beliefs played into
this scenario? Well, I think that's what drew my interest
in the cases that my journalism is about extremism, and
what I saw in this case were extremist ideologies that
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were playing out throughout. I mean, just look to Chad
Dayville's fictional books he had years and years before he
ever met Laurie Valle of entertaining conspiracy theories of um,
you know, teachings that are absolutely fringe of the fringe
of the eldest Um. Well, things like what we were
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discussing earlier, multiple probations this idea. I mean, the word
zombie comes up in this case and that never comes
up in anything related to the Eldis Church. So there
there's this um long history of him entertaining ideas that
the leadership of the LDS Church has said, this is
(39:45):
not what we believe. But Chad Dayville was holding meetings
and and um small study groups about these ideas um
that are that are kind of around the very edges
of this of this faith jury might as Welt settle in.
This is going to be a long and tedious trial
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when it ever happens, and when will that be? Nate Eaton.
It's scheduled to begin January ninth, and it's scheduled for
ten weeks. So who's going first? They're being tried together. Oh,
I'm so happy. Then we can watch them point the
finger at each other or their lawyers. These two, once
they start making lovey w eyes at each other in court,
(40:28):
may not point the finger. I think they're going to
both point the finger at Alex Cox because he's dead
and can't respond well. Nancy. Of course, there's some possibility
that the defense lawyers intersea is between themselves and with
the prosecutor, are exploring the possibility of having one of
them turn state's evidence against the other. Theoretically possible, but
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perhaps not entirely consistent with their religious and extreme beliefs.
Well put, David Leroy, Nate Eaton, just yes, no, is
there a death in that jurisdiction. There isn't prosecutors are
going for death on both cases. We wait as justice
un falls. Nancy Grace crime story, Sunny Off, Goodbye Friend,
Crime stories with Nancy Greece cult mom Lorie Valo. Does
it never end with this woman? All right? First we
have her two children, JJ entirely ages seven and sixteen,
(00:26):
just turned sixteen. They go missing, and what does mommy do?
Put up missing flyers and posters, scan the area, beg
for help, make TV appeals to help find her children.
Know she skips town. She first proops all of their
belongings into storage that she hasn't thrown away, then skips
(00:50):
town with her new boyfriend, Chad day Belle the Prophet.
They head to Hawaii for a beach wedding. She wears
the dress and the ring that she coincidentally bought just
before his wife, Tammy Day Bell died in her sleep.
Either they're guilty of Tammy's murder or they're clairvoyant. That's
(01:13):
just me, my speculation, But now renewed interest in the
cause of day Belle's wife, Tammy day Belle's death. He
told police she died peacefully in her sleep. Excuse me.
She was healthy as a horse, she was competing in
(01:37):
a marathon. She was young, she was in her forties,
her whole life in front of her. Die in her sleep.
Now the autopsy report revealing she died of asphyxiation. I'm
Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
with us here at Fox Nation and series X one
(01:59):
eleven and take a listen first to our France at
Katie v K. The day Bells told CBS that Chad
woke up frantic that morning when he discovered Tammy was dead.
They said it was their decision not Chads to buy
past the autopsy. They claimed the forty nine year old
was in quote failing health. She would get out of
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breath very quickly and would get very tired, and she
started going to bed very early at night. According to
newspapers in Idaho, Chad told Tammy's father that she went
to bed with a terrible cough. Respiratory diseases are associated
with asphyxia, sleep Bathman's associated with asphyxia. So you know,
(02:40):
if you absolutely bathmia, how many people stop reading for
a little while. Doctor Franklovechio, a medical toxicologist, says that
asphyxia is a general term that usually means there's a
lack of oxygen. He says it can be caused by
something you and jest or inhale, including opiates, or from choking.
Is somebody going out on a lamb and saying that
this deeply religious woman asphyxiated because she was high on heroin.
(03:05):
Because I don't really believe that with me an all
star parliament. First, let me go to our friend and colleague,
Nate Eaton has been on the story from the very beginning.
He's a news director at East Idaho News dot Com.
Nate really opiates what's next A piano fell, honor Well
the other team, Nancy. That I want to say is
that just two weeks before Tammy died, she spent time
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by herself with her family members, and they have all
told me that she was just fine. She was healthy,
She was not complaining of being in ill health. She
drove seven eight hours to be with her family members
by herself. So this talk that she wasn't feeling well,
that she was going to bed earlier, No one outside
of the immediate family was saying anything like this, And
(03:50):
I don't get it. You know, I need you. Joe
Scott Morgan Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University,
author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon starm a
great hit series. I think you have a special episode
dropping today Joe Scott Morgan Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan.
Joe Scott, Okay, wait a minute, Wait a minute, I'm
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hearing heroin as the possibility. You hear Nate eight and
describing a seven to eight hour drives she just took
on her own. Family was with her two weeks before.
All of that should factor in to the autopsy report decision.
But I never really associate asphyxia with being tired when
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you go up the steps and out of breath. That
doesn't compute for me. No, it doesn't. You're not afraid
to tell me I'm wrong, are you, Joe Scott? Never?
Because if I am telling me so, I don't repeat
the same mistake over. I'll tell you you're wrong. I
guarantee you that in this case, you're not. I gotta
say this. You know, anytime you hear asphyxia, it's got
a nefarious undertone to it. But what about a medical examiner.
(04:55):
They may not feel that way. Well, what medical examiner
in this case? Because an autopsy wasn't performed for a
long long time, after all the evidence has gone and
that's the tragedy in this Nancy. But Ultimately it was decided.
Was it not, Nate eten that it was asphyxia as
the cod cause of death? How was that determined? Ate?
(05:16):
Because Jess Scott's right. The family. Now you hear in
that last sound I played for you, Thank you, Jackie.
The sound said that the family, the children decided not
to have an autopsy. A mommy who just mysteriously dies
in her sleep. Oh hell no, I would want to
know what happened. But they're not the ultimate decision makers.
Isn't that true? David Leroy Davey joining me out of
(05:39):
Boise He former Idaho attorney general. Wow, it's not like
this is your first murder case. Former Idaho Attorney General,
Lieutenant governor, prosecutor. Wow. You can find him at d
leroy dot com. Isn't it the husband the next of
(05:59):
ki And if the husband is deceased or you're divorced,
then you go to your child. But this was all
Chad day Bell's decision not to do an autopsy. I
don't care who's taken the fall this morning or if
she didn't make the decision. He set up the facts
that caused the locally elected coroner to make the decision
not all of our coroners in Idawa's forty four counties
are sophisticated in these matters. And whether he made the decision,
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deferred from the county coroner, or convinced the county corner,
it was Chad's adventure solely. Now, when it looks like
a death by natural causes, David Leroy, if it looks
like a duck, it walks like a duck, it quacks
like a duck, it is a duck. So if the
circumstances are told to the coroner, who may or may
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not be a medical doctor, they're elected, I think, or appointed.
If the coroner says, okay, yet natural cause is based
on what you're telling me, we don't need an autopsy.
Can't the next of ken ask for an autopsy, or
anybody can ask for one? But again it's the coroner's call.
And in Idaho, any suspicious, unattended death not under the
(07:10):
care of a medical doctor does get an examination by
that coroner. So obviously somebody missed some signals or somebody
was crossly inappropriately misled in this case. Okay, hold on
just a second, David Leroy, will you say those last
three sentences again about an unattended death results in autopsy
(07:33):
in your jurisdiction. No, it doesn't result in an autopsy.
It results in the corner making an examination and making
a decision. It can result in an autopsy, but it's
the coroner's call, exclusively. Coroner's call, exclusively. Guys, you were
just hearing our friends at kat VK three. I'll take
(07:54):
a listen again to Kim Powell. Tammy died in her
sleep in October twenty nineteen, and her kids told police.
State didn't want an autopsy done, and she was buried
in her hometown in Utah. Then two months later her
body had to be exhuomed. Now, the five day Belled
children told CBS News they were told she died of asphyxia,
but they're still not convinced their dad had anything to
(08:15):
do with it. On October ninth, Tammy day Bell posted
this on Facebook saying a guy in a ski mask
tried to shoot at her in her driveway outside of Rexburg, Idaho.
Ten days later, she died in her sleep and was
buried without an autopsy, and two weeks after that, her
husband of nearly thirty years, Chad day Bell, married Laurie Vallo.
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Eventually investigators revealed they believed Alex Cox, Laurie's brother, was
that masked gunman at the end of Tammy's driveway. You know,
the masked gunman at the end of the driveway. That's
a whole another can of worms, which we are going
to get into. Nate eight and joining from East Idees
dot Com. Tell me about the whole exhimation process. Why
(08:57):
did that happen? Was there an octope after the exhimation
and that's how we know the cod was asphyxiation. Then
I'm going to go to you, Joe Scott, so you
can tell me what that means. And regular people talk
hit at night. Well, Tammy died October twenty nineteen, three
months later in December in Utah. It was an early
(09:18):
early Saturday morning. The investigators went in, they exsumed her body.
She was back in the ground within a matter of hours.
An autopsy was completed. They did not release the information
that the autopsy was done for a year and a half.
Now I want to make it clear they have not
officially released the autopsy results. Chad kids have gone on
(09:39):
television and said what they've been told, And I have
sources close to the investigation that confirmed. They confirm it
was affixiation. A lot of people thought she was poisoned,
that there was some other, you know, nefarious way in
which she died, But multiple sources are saying it was
affixiation and that's what the children say. Investigators told them. So. Yes,
(10:00):
she was in the ground for three months before they
resumed her body and did the autopsy. Nate Eaton, do
we have any idea about the manner of death? She
died of asphyxiation, lack of oxygen? Was it manual or
ligature's triangulation? Was there the popping of the particularly in
the eyeball or their marks on the neck? Was a
(10:23):
pillow put over her head? And Joe Scott, you've got
to explain to us all how we were able to
tell the difference from a dead body. So is there
anything in an autopsy report you can tell us about,
Nate Eaton as two manner of death. No, they have
not released any of that. But what I can tell
you is that the night Tanny died, Alex Cox was
parked at a church two miles from the house. They
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have pinned his cell phone. He was in that church
parking lot. So I believe that they're going to focus
on the fact that he was somehow involved with Chat
and Laurie in making this happen. Time stories with Nancy Grace.
(11:13):
I love to say, when you don't know a horse,
look at his trick record. There is Lori Valo's brother,
Alex Cox, appearing at so many deaths. He's the one
that took JJ out of the home. Everybody correct me
if I'm wrong, because there's so many facts to digest.
(11:34):
He's the one that took seven year old JJ out
of the home and his pj's. His body found later
wrapped in duct tape in the same pj's. I pray
to God they can get some type of fiber hair
or epiphilial cell evidence off that duct tape linking back
to Alex Cox. So you've got him connected to JJ.
(11:55):
You have him Alex Cox, as I recall in the
photo the last known photo of JJ Entailly where they're
taken to a national park just before their death. You
also have him gunning down and a false case of
self defense, one of the many husbands of cult mom
(12:19):
Laurie Vallo. So somehow he mysteriously appears when people drop dead,
and here he is pinging two miles away in an
empty parking lot. The same night, Tammy day Bell mysteriously
dies in her sleep by asphyxiation. Before I go to you,
(12:42):
Joe Scott Morgan, hold all those medical thoughts, all those
death investigator thoughts, I want to go out to special
guests joining us in addition to David Leroy, Dotor, Sherry Schwartz,
Joe Scott Morgan, Nate Eaton, Leah Stilli. Leah is journalist
author of When the Moon Turns to Blood, Lorie Valo,
(13:02):
Chad day Bell, and a Story of Murder, Wild Faith
and in Times. But that's just one of her twelve books.
You can find her at Leah Stilli dot com, Leah
Avenging Angel. Alex Cox, I call him a massive murderer,
But what do you make of it? Well, when you
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were just speaking about him, I was just thinking, don't
forget that. Alex Cox also teased Lorie Valo's third husband,
who then was found dead leader Thank you. No investigators
have looked into that death again. But yeah, I mean
he was Joseph Ryan. It does the brain exactly. And
you know, Alexe Cox and Marie Vello have a really
inordinate and not normal amount of dead people around them,
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and it's very strange. What do you make of the
determination of asphyxia as a cod cause of death for
Tammy day bo I mean, please, I don't have to
be a medical AMiner to figure out that. Lorie Valo,
using her husband's credit card hello his Amazon account, buys
(14:10):
her wedding dress will wait wait for it, and she
types in beach b e ac H correct me if
I'm wrong, night eight, and I'm sure you will beach
wedding dress. And then they go to Hawaii and they
have a beach wedding two weeks after she orders a dress,
after Tammy day Bale dies in her sleep. I don't
(14:32):
need a medical degree to figure that out. You're eternally well.
I think it's really interesting because I think the story
of what happened to Tammy, you know, starts fracturing almost
immediately after she died. You know, you have this sort
of what I like to call the sump in the
night story that the children have told that you know,
all of a sudden, there was a sump in the
other room, and then she was half in the bed,
(14:54):
half out of it and just died suddenly. So strange.
But then you know. Chad was also telling story on
the website another voice of warning, saying she died peacefully
in her sleep. She had sort of smile on her face.
I can't believe I didn't wake up in the night
to hear her. So these tales of what happened to her.
Almost immediately we're not gelling up. They want to follow
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up on something you just said. Doctor Sherry Schwartz is
joining me. Forensic psychologist. I know, David Leroy, you're gonna
want in on this. Doctor Sherry Schwartz is, I said,
forensic psychologists specializing in and this is the name of
one of her books, where a law in psychology intersect.
She's also the author of Criminal Behavior. You can find
her at panthermitigation dot com. Doctor Sherry, I love it
(15:41):
when someone changes their story. I don't mean adding facts,
because when I would have a witness on the stand
and they would add a fact, I would blame that
on the prior questioner. They didn't ask the right questions,
they didn't ask enough questions. They didn't know about enough
about the material to ask detailed questions. So it's like, yeah,
(16:05):
I saw the wreck, and then upon further questioning, yeah,
I saw the wreck, but this guy was speeding and
cut in front of the other guy. And then the
next time, yeah, this car was red and that one
was blue. And upon next questioning, yeah, I went to
the scene. I walked over and the driver was drunk
as a skunk. See, if you don't ask all that
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the first time, the story is embellished. But here we've
got two very different stories. She died peacefully in her
sleep with a smile on her face, But the children
say there was a big thump and she was half
in and half out of the bed. That doesn't go together,
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Doctor Sherry, No, it certainly doesn't. This is inconsistent. And
it's also very troubling to me that he feels the
need to say, oh, no, she went peacefully. She died
with a smile on her face, almost like, you know,
don't look too closely at this because there's nothing to
see here. Everything is good. She's gone now, My life
is good, you know. And wasn't there over four hundred
(17:09):
thousand dollars life insurance policy that he cashed in on?
What about at night? Yeah. The same day that Tyley
was last seen at Yellowstone, Chad finned an application to
increase Tammy's life insurance to the maximum amount allowed under
the policy, four hundred and thirty thousand dollars. He then
tells Tammy that he had a vision that her grandfather
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came to him while he was working outside that she
needed to go see her family by herself, and that
they needed to spend time together. And meanwhile, he's telling
the other group that are in you know, his little
religious group, that Tammy's going to die in a car accident,
so they got the life insurance policy. He sends Tammy
(17:53):
to go see the family. He's telling people she's going
to die in the car crash. She returns home safe
and sound, then dies in her sleep two weeks later. Okay,
right now, I could just go ahead and make my
summation to the jury. David Leroy. David Leroy is no
stranger to a courtroom attorney at law Boise, former Idaho
(18:13):
Attorney General, former lieutenant governor, blah blah blah. I mean,
there's so much about him I can't even read at all.
David Leroy could just when a criminal defendant turns clairvoyant.
Nothing can make me happier, nothing, I'll answer. You may
be a little premature in your summation, because you must
(18:34):
anticipate that the defense will argue that a certain amount
of inconsistency is a hallmark of human truth in testimony,
Sometimes a little defects of recollection jump in there, some
kind thumps in the night have no relationship to what
is actually going on. But you certainly have an argument
(18:58):
that clairvoyance is going to be a proper lematic for
the defense in this case. And we have seen it before.
Do I have to say? It actually makes my mouth hurt?
Scott Peterson because just before Lacy Peterson goes missing with
her unborn son Connor, there later what they look wash
(19:19):
up at the San Francisco Bay where Scott Peterson was
fishing the day they go missing. Remember how he told
Amber Fry, his then mistress, who I ain't me and
it's a really nice person. Ps. He tells Amber Fry, Yeah,
this is going to be my first Christmas without my wife.
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She died and then poof, she died. So either he
was clairvoyant or he is a killer. And here we've
gotten Nate Eaton. Coincidentally, on the day he ups his
life insurance policy to nearly half a million dollars on
his wife. He makes multiple clairvoyant predictions that she's going
(20:07):
to she needs to go visit her family now before
it's too late, sending her on an eight hour drive
by herself, and then reveals she's gonna die, and it
all came true. What about it, Nate, Well, not only
that you mentioned earlier in the show, Nancy, that the
(20:28):
gunman that showed up at her driveway that police later
say was Alex he thought it was She thought it
was a paintball gunman shooting at her. Well, it turns
out that around that time, investigators have Alex Cox practicing
how to shoot a gun at a gun range and
going to sportsman's warehouse and buying specific type of ammunition
(20:50):
and researching, excuse me, how to shoot these guns. So
they've got all of this evidence, They've got all of this,
you know, things on camera, things like that lead up
through these critical weeks up until Tammy's death. I can
tell you what's going to happen. He's going to be
the scapegoat at child. They're going to blame Alex Cox
because he's dead. To Leah Sotilli, journalist and author, off
(21:13):
when the moon turns to Blood, Lorie Valo Chad day
Bell on the story of Murder, Wild Fate and End Times.
Can I talk to you about the thump in the
night and Tammy day Bell half in and half out
of her bed? Could you elaborate on what you know? Well,
it's a bizarre it's a very bizarre story. I think
(21:36):
that just sounds strange. When Garth day Bell and his
siblings told the story on forty eight Hours, it was
it struck me as very odd that all of a
sudden he tells a story that he hears as something
the other room, and Chad yells for him to come
in and help, and he sees his mother, you know,
half in, half out of the bed, and Chad pacing
(21:57):
around the room, supposedly pointing at pictures on the wall
of their family, saying, how is this? How? How could
we you know, lose her? How is she gone? I
can't believe it. It's just a very odd story, and
it's it's never quite set right with me, and I
think anyone covering this case. But then to compare that
with Chad's own words saying that you know, she just
(22:20):
died so peacefully. These are just such disparate stories being
told that you can't help but question it right away.
So Lea's attilie. Is it correct that the children go
in the room, there's a thump, she's half in, she's
half out of the bed, and she's dead at that point,
that's what from from what they discussed, that's what it
sounded like. And then he goes off into a Shakespearean soliloquy,
(22:43):
David Leroy, you're the trial lawyer, But what are you
going to do with the case like that? Because I
had a case like that. Fyi. A millionaire in Atlanta
totally murdered his wife and he bashed her in the head,
then tried to burn the house down with the cop
scot there he was lying romanesque, lying on the lawn
(23:04):
across the street. The cops the fire people race up
to him. He starts talking about what he thinks started
the fire, and then he goes, oh, yeah, my wife's
in there anyway. At the hospital, he has this big soliloquy,
a monologue that he preaches out over her deathbed. I
(23:26):
was so happy anyway. It sounds like the same thing here.
Don't you love the soliloquies and the dramatization over somebody's deathbed. Well,
we all know that people experience things differently and react. Please, Oh,
I'm sure that there will be some attempt to distinguish
(23:48):
the two stories. So perhaps she had just slipped out
of bed while she was having trouble breathing, was put
back on, etc. Etc. And somehow these two has got
disconnected in time. Yeah, okay, good luck with that, guys.
Of course the whole family blames Laurie Valo. But before
(24:10):
I get to call it mom, Laurie Valo, I want
to talk to you, Joseph Scott Morgan, death investigator who
has researched and studied the death of Tammy day Bell.
Don't you remember at some point Chad day Bell claimed
that there was a froth mixture, a liquidy, airy froth
(24:33):
coming from her mouth. What do you make of that?
And what do you make of cod cause of asphyxiation?
And how are we going to tell if it was
Emmanuel literature smothering or she just choked in her sleep
on what our tooth? Yeah, we got to go back
to October nineteenth, that morning when she was found and
it actually, and this even makes this even more intriguing,
(24:56):
it wasn't actually chat that made that assessment. It was
the daughter that witnessed her mother there and said that
she had froth coming either from her nose or her mouth.
She actually related this to neighbors. And I think this
is quite fascinating because this is something that we see
and many times folks at home can look this up.
(25:17):
It's referred to as a frothy edemitus cone. And we
see this in cases of heroin O D anything that
suppresses the respiratory system. We see it in drowning. Many
times you will actually see this present when you take
the body out of the water. It's quite fascinating to witness.
(25:38):
And then we'll also see it in various asphyxial deaths
where you're talking about manual strangulations. You see it a
lot in hangings, and what it's an indication of is
that the lungs are heavily congested. That means that they're
being compromised their ability to uptake oxygen, and so it's pink.
(25:58):
Many times it's a pink color. And I'm really wondering
in this particular case, is that what you're about to say? No, no, no,
We've heard this thing about asphyxia and it's kind of,
you know, kind of seeped out, you know, into this narrative.
Even though the m down in Utah has yet to
make this comment, I'm wondering if they're correlating their data
(26:20):
that they're finding there at that exhimation with this comment
that was made by the daughter, did they actually because
let's remember, let's remember this as as as as our
colleague mentioned just a moment ago, this was the coroner's decision,
nobody else's. She could have easily have gone in drawn
blood and not done an autopsy. But she failed to
(26:43):
do that, Okay, And you could have had talks. You
ain't got talks to fall back on now, because body's
been in balmb body's been in the ground. What you're
looking for our physical findings. We're talking about Petikui eyes
a little ruptured. Aren't the eyes removed as part of
the burial process? No no, no, no, no, no no no,
(27:04):
they're not removed. They are not now. They're glued shut
many times. But that's that doesn't inhibit our ability to
examine the su the tiny blood vessels in the eyeball. Yeah,
and also the strap muscles of the neck. Nancy, you
can look in those areas around the neck. If there's
any focal areas of hemorrhage there, you can pick up
on that. Whether they are visible to the naked eye
(27:25):
or not they're bruising, can be yeah if they are.
But you know the thing about embalming, what's really cool
is it freezes all that stuff in time. You've lost
the blood, but you know these physical manifestations that we
look for as for as trauma stuff doesn't go away.
(27:53):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace, I want to talk about
the possibility and I'm getting this from one of the
children stating that there was a type of foamy substance
coming from either her mouth or her nose that can
(28:17):
happen when you have a suppressed respiratory system. What does
that mean? Suppressed respiratory system? Could she have been given
an od of benadrial, an od of NyQuil that suppressed
her system, that made it easier for her to die?
(28:38):
What about that? Joe Scott. Yeah, there's any number of
agents that can be applied. There are actually certain rape
drugs that can be applied, you know, things like we're
hibbanol and GHB and those sorts of things. Gama HYDROXB
to eight. Yes, yeah, and anything you know, any kind
of opiate, whether it's you know, kind of a naturally
occurring like a morphine type thing or a synthetic opiate.
(29:01):
You know that's out there, those types of things. If
you're odd, But how are you going to apply what
we were saying earlier? And everybody please jump in with
your thoughts. This is exactly how cases are created and presented.
If the attorney is worth their salt, they discuss it
with other attorneys or their investigator before they go up
(29:22):
in front of a jury. Guys, this is a story
as old as the Garden of Eden, where it's all
eves fought. Well, I can't necessarily say that's entirely wrong
in this case. Take a listen to our friend less
Shrent at Inside Edition. How did the kids feel when
(29:44):
their father remarried so soon after their mother's death. They were,
like everyone else that was closely following this story, shocked.
They had never heard the name Laurie Valo until she
went by another name, step mom. They were very upset
at first, but they have spent time with Lourie. They
(30:04):
spent time with her, in fact, celebrating Thanksgiving. But they said,
at no point were they aware of her two children? Yeah,
because they're dead. And also our friend Jonathan and Bigliotti
at Secrets of Chad day Bale's back yard on forty
eight hours looking back? Was your father meeting Laurie marrying
(30:24):
her the worst mistake of his life. Absolutely none of
this would have happened if Laurie Valo had never come
into my family's life. It's all her fault. I can't
disagree that she had a heavy hand in it. But
you know, what do you make of that, doctor Sherry
(30:45):
Schwartz the children assisting none of this would have happened
if she hadn't masterminded, if she hadn't made him do it.
S Yes, yes it is Nancy, But I have to
tell her from a victim of advocacy point of view,
people I think need to really give these children some grace.
They have lost their mother right shockingly. She's young and
(31:08):
healthy otherwise, and now she's gone. Two weeks later, dad
marries this woman that they've never heard of, they've never met,
they don't know anything about the kids, and then bodies
of children are found on their property, right you know
they I'm sure we're not immune to the news coverage,
and this is just a defense mechanism to trauma the denial.
(31:30):
Agree Nan this, I completely agree with you. Go ahead,
jump in, Nancy. This foreshadows the finger pointing that's going
to occur during the trial, back and forth his fault
or fault, etc. If they both go to trial. This
is simply perhaps the first round of that. Guys, eggs
deeper or take a listen to again Johnson Bigliotti at
(31:52):
Our Friends forty eight hours? How did you process all
of that? That was really hard and it really surprised us,
and it was clear that he already had an emotional
connection with her. I know this is a difficult question,
but was your father having an affair with Lorie while
he was married to your mother? That depends on your
(32:14):
definition of affair. Emotionally, I would say yes that physically,
I think my father thought he was in the right
because I haven't had sex with her, so I'm being faithful.
M M isn't sure, you Nate at and you and
I discussed this on end off the camera. One of
Chad Daybale's pickup lines. I can't say that it would
(32:36):
appeal to me is that we lived in another life.
We both been reincarnated, and I was your husband in
a prior life, so we've already had sex, so might
as well do it again. Yeah. He talked about multiple
probations different states. Okay, could you please talk regular people
talk multiple What multiple probations? Are you saying probation? Like
(32:58):
you're sent us to five to two three three five
on probation? Yeah, meaning period of time that we all
his teachings, we all have multiple probations. And one of
the first things he said to Laurie when they met is,
we were married in a previous life of dear Lord
in heaven frey space, and you were a goddess. You
(33:18):
were a goddess. And by the way, you and I
were supposed to lead the return of Jesus Christ with
one hundred and forty four thousand people. Please do not
drag Christ into a serial murder case. But I guess
you already have. What did you just say about Christ?
(33:38):
The return of Christ and one hundred forty four thousand saved.
They believed that they were going to lead lead the
return of Jesus Christ and that there would be tense
that they would live in the middle of a village.
I guess you could say, and there would be tense
surrounding them, and that Christ would return to their village,
(33:58):
their town, and they would be part of the second Coming.
They would play a critical role in Christ's return. May
I ask you what that has to do with the
murderers of JJ Entily. Well, I would imagine that the
prosecutors are going to argue that they needed to get
rid of JJ Nentily, and they were telling others that
(34:19):
they could fulfill their mission, so that this was part
of it, that this was all part of it, and
that because we all have these multiple lives, JJ Nentily's
lives would continue on and they would see them again
according to their teachings we did to Nate Eton before
I moved further into their bizarre religious beliefs. I'm convinced
that a prior attempt had been made on Tammy day
(34:41):
Bell's life. You alluded to it earlier. A couple of
weeks before she finally did die of asphyxiation in her
own home, in bed with her husband, Chad day Bell,
someone took a shot at her, a couple of shots.
She thought it was a prank and that they were
paintball bullets. Not real bullets. We now know for sure
(35:07):
that the prankster was the so called Avenging Angel, Laurie
Valla's brother, Alex Cox. In fact, Tammy Daville posted about
the incident, not connecting any nefarious intent to it, on
her Facebook. Correct. Do you remember that? Yeah, it was
October ninth. She got home, it was dark. She said,
(35:29):
she got out of the car and someone started firing
at her. They were wearing a ski match. She said,
what are you doing? And the person took off After
she yelled for help from Chad. She went on Facebook
to warn the neighbors. I mean, this is a very
rural area, but she said, hey, just so you know,
this weird experience happened. She actually called the police, They
took a report, They talked it up to a prank,
(35:49):
and then two weeks later she was dead. Question to you,
Leah's Attilli, journalist and author of When the Moon Turns
to Blood? How many deaths can we link to Alex Cox,
Lorie Valo's brother. I mean, it's a it's a range.
We've got the information from his cell phone that puts
him in the Daybo backyard. Obviously, when when the children
(36:12):
were likely buried there you have Charles Valo, Laurie's ex husband,
UM in Arizona in his so called self defense shooting
of him. Um, you've got potentially a connection to the
death of her third husband, Joseph Bryan, who he had
(36:32):
aggressively tasted and had gone to jail for that incident. Um,
you've got this incident that we're discussing with Tammy Davil.
So there there's a number of people who are around
this brother, sister duo. Did you mention j j Entile? Yes, yeah, yeah,
the found in the backyard. Now, I want to circle
(36:53):
back to something David Leroy said earlier about the decision
not to perform an autopsy on Tammy. We now know
her death was by asphyxiation. Take a listen to our
cut one our friend Spinster Blake at three TVCBS. Not
long after Tammy da Bell died in her home in Salem, Idaho,
(37:14):
in mid October, the Fremont County Sheriff's Office received a
call from a detective in Arizona's going to be a
camera A d. Bell. Oh yes, I was the one
that actually took that call. So why from Arizona wanted
to us crazy? Yeah? The funny how everything ties together.
We just have some paces down here that they got
our attention, which Dave Belle. The cases he's talking about
(37:36):
could include the attempted shooting of a relative of Laurie Valo,
Dave Bell, in Gilbert in October, or the July shooting
death of Laurie's late husband, Charles Valo in Chandler. Laurie
married Tammy's husband, Chad day Bell, less than two weeks
after Tammy died. At the time, the Sheriff's office investigated
and said they found nothing suspicious. The coroner ruled the
death was due to natural causes. The dispatcher explains to
(37:59):
the Arizona detective. It wasn't just a coroner who didn't
want to press the investigation any further. The family did
not want an autopsy, so they just went straight to
your home and the family in the family that they
don't want an autopsy either for the corner to find
off and there and on the funeral. Yeah, yeah, I
got a problem with that. The family, as I said earlier,
(38:21):
made it clear they did not want an autopsy on
Tammy day Belle. Why because when our bodies exhumed, we
find out the causes asphyxia, And to you, are we
going to ever be able to tell do you think
to Scott Morgan whether it was manual ligature suffocation? What?
(38:42):
Just a simple yes, no, yes, I think we will. Um,
I got a question for you, Lea's Attilli, journalist and author.
How do you believe that their religious beliefs played into
this scenario? Well, I think that's what drew my interest
in the cases that my journalism is about extremism, and
what I saw in this case were extremist ideologies that
(39:05):
were playing out throughout. I mean, just look to Chad
Dayville's fictional books he had years and years before he
ever met Laurie Valle of entertaining conspiracy theories of um,
you know, teachings that are absolutely fringe of the fringe
of the eldest Um. Well, things like what we were
(39:25):
discussing earlier, multiple probations this idea. I mean, the word
zombie comes up in this case and that never comes
up in anything related to the Eldis Church. So there
there's this um long history of him entertaining ideas that
the leadership of the LDS Church has said, this is
(39:45):
not what we believe. But Chad Dayville was holding meetings
and and um small study groups about these ideas um
that are that are kind of around the very edges
of this of this faith jury might as Welt settle in.
This is going to be a long and tedious trial
(40:07):
when it ever happens, and when will that be? Nate Eaton.
It's scheduled to begin January ninth, and it's scheduled for
ten weeks. So who's going first? They're being tried together. Oh,
I'm so happy. Then we can watch them point the
finger at each other or their lawyers. These two, once
they start making lovey w eyes at each other in court,
(40:28):
may not point the finger. I think they're going to
both point the finger at Alex Cox because he's dead
and can't respond well. Nancy. Of course, there's some possibility
that the defense lawyers intersea is between themselves and with
the prosecutor, are exploring the possibility of having one of
them turn state's evidence against the other. Theoretically possible, but
(40:51):
perhaps not entirely consistent with their religious and extreme beliefs.
Well put, David Leroy, Nate Eaton, just yes, no, is
there a death in that jurisdiction. There isn't prosecutors are
going for death on both cases. We wait as justice
un falls. Nancy Grace crime story, Sunny Off, Goodbye Friend,
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