July 5, 2025 • 53 mins
In less than seven hours of deliberations, twelve Idaho jurors found Lori Vallow guilty of killing her two children and her current husband’s then-wife. Vallow then faced charges of conspiring to kill Brandon Boudreaux, her niece's ex-husband. It took a jury less then 30 minutes to convict her in that trial. It was Vallow's third criminal trial in less than three years. Vallow has been convicted in the deaths of her children, Tylee Ryan and JJ Vallow, and Tammy Daybell, her current husband, Chad Daybell’s, first wife, as well as her former husband Charles. He was killed the morning of July 11. Charles Vallow goes to Lori’s rental home in Chandler, Arizona, to pick up JJ for school. Alex Cox, Lori’s brother, is also there. Within an hour, Vallow is lying in a pool of blood, shot by Alex Cox. Cox claims self-defense and is not charged.
East Idaho News Reporter Nate Eaton has been following the case since JJ and Tylee went missing, and interviews Lori Vallow behind bars. Watch Nate Eaton full interview at eastidahonews.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Colt Mom Lorie Valo. Now
that she's not on cross examination, she opens up behind
bars and tells, how should I say this? Her truth?
In other words, her crazy story. She's spinning out. But
(00:22):
oh no, no, not to me. To Nate Eaton from
Eastidaho News dot Com, Nate had the I guess opportunity
would be a way to put it. To sit down
with Colt Mom Laurie Valo behind bars refresher Colt Mom
Laurie Valo, the Devil's hence person, her two children found murdered,
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buried in the backyard of her Let's see was it
the fourth or the fifth husband? I think the fifth husband,
the prophet Chad da Bell both doomsday if it's of course,
she's finding everybody to blame but herself. And I believe
she refers to you, Nate Eaton as Judas does she not?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
She does? She said at one point she thought I
was Judas.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Okay, let's kick it off. Laurie Valo being escorted into
the interview room. Now she's not cuffed, which would have
given me, uh pause for concern, But that said, listen
to Coultmom Laurie Valo being ushered into the interview room.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Hi, Laurie, how are you you ready?
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Hi, good to see it. Hey, such a pleasure, have
a seat.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
A long time coming?
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Huh birthday?
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Oh thank you?
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yes, happy birthday, my rear rand. Are you serious? Happy birthday?
She murdered her two children and Chad day Bell's wife, Tammy,
I mean, happy birthday, my rear rand. Are you serious?
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I wanted to disarm her. Nancy, I wanted to disarmor
so I did stay. Happy birthday, But then we immediately
moved into questions about Chad. I had been told she
would be tough, so that was a surprise to me.
Nancy I had also been told that one of her
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defense attorneys, our advisory attorneys, would be in the room,
and that's who was in the room. But notice she
came in with a packet of documents of files that
she wanted to refer to, but she didn't mention them
one time. She had a notebook there. She she noticed
she's wearing on her fourth finger, Nancy, the wedding ring finger.
She's wearing a hair band to signify that she's still
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devoted to Chad day Bell. And then she comes to
shake my hand that I had also been told we
would not be able to touch, and then she was
sitting down ready to go.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Well, obviously you I hate to just throw you into
the stereotypical male gene pool, but hey, do you notice
you're a lucky one because she got her hair done
and put on her jailhouse makeup for you. She's totally
all dolled up for you, all for you, Nate.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
She did why well, you know, I don't know. We've
I've waited five six years to ask her some questions,
and maybe she had some questions for me, as I'm
sure we'll talk about throughout the interview. But we didn't
give her hair and makeup. Just to be clear, she
did that herself. She used to be a hairdresser before
she was incarcerated. So from what I understand, they take
their clothing and get them wet and then they're able
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to curl their hair with that. I'm not a hair expert,
but she definitely was ready to come in and chat
with me.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Okay, hold on, I just want to follow up on
what you just said. They take their what their clothing,
and what.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Right if you hold on to like a T shirt
or whatever you have and get it wet you and
then twist it up tight. You can put that in
hair and then twist it. And that's apparently how she
is able to curl her hair.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
The things we all learn. And then there's the pen makeup,
which is homemade penitentiary makeup. Okay, you just heard Nate
Eaton in his investigative glory sucking up to Colt Mom
Laurie value. But I get it. Why I start fighting
or fighting with her at the beginning. At least get
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some answers out of her before you alienate her. Let's
take a listen to Nate Eaton getting the behind Bars
interview with Colt Mom Laurie Valo.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Listen, you told me years ago Chad was the best
man you've ever met.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Dad is a very kind person. Yes.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Is that still true? Yes? So besides his spirituality, what
else attracts you to Chad?
Speaker 5 (05:00):
He's a wonderful person. Everyone who knows him knows that
you've never met him, right.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I haven't met him other than we when we were
in Hawaii.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
I'm saying you never met him, talk to him, interacted
with him or no.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
No, Yeah, I'd like to hear that experience as well.
This is going to be a far ranging interview, Nate Eden,
because what I recall of you in Hawaii is seeing
your hand chasing along with the microphone following Colt, Mom
and the prophet Chad Dabll. You know what, the things
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that are done in the name of Christ, it's painful
and I am certainly no biblical scholar. And the only
way if I do get into heaven, Nate, is because
the Lord loves the sinner. Okay, I'm just putting it
out there. But the things that have been done in
some twisted and warped interpretation of what Christ said is
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just amazing. But you know what, I'm going to leave
that up to Christ and God, whoever she is that said.
Your hand was omnipresent in Hawaii, chasing down cult Mom
and the prophet Chad dabil but they would never answer
your questions. You chased them like a doberman, but they
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never answered. Do you remember, Oh?
Speaker 2 (06:25):
I remember? I remember, Nancy. I was talking with you
about it the very next day after that happened. And
that's why I've wanted to ask all these years. I
did go on to ask her, why didn't you just
tell me where the children were Why didn't you just
tell me? And she said that she was not ready
to talk. Now I knew that Laurie was going to
take me down the rabbit hole of religion, of God,
of Christ is what you were saying. And so that's
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why I wanted to get the spirituality questions concerning Chad
out of the way. But notice Nancy, when I said
what else do you like about him? All she could
say is he's a wonderful person. She didn't say he
was handsome, she didn't say, you know, we like to
play games together or go on adventures. That's it. That's
the only quality she could say that she likes in
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chat is that he's a wonderful person and that he's
a kind person.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Yeah, you know, that's interesting. I've met your beautiful wife,
and I know that you would have many many things
to say about her as to why you think she
is so incredible. Same thing with my husband, number one,
he's an amazing father. Right of course, whenever I come
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home from being out of town, it looks like the
bears have lived there, and I'm like, what happened? He goes, Hey,
they're alive. I might yes, that much is true, but
he's actually a great father. He's funny, he's even keeled,
which is really important for me. And he's super smart.
But the funny part is the thing I like the most.
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I mean, I could just keep on going. But it's
interesting that all she said was he's a wonderful person.
What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Well, I don't know what she thinks of him now
because they haven't been able to communicate and a today
haven't spoken had a real conversation in five years, since
the morning that those bodies were found in his yard.
And he called her terrified, and he said they're searching
the house and she said, what the house? And he said, no,
the property is if she knew the police were going
to find her children buried in the backyard, that's the
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last time they've had any sort of conversation, Nancy, And
that was back in twenty twenty, she insisted, and I
don't know if you're gonna play this. Later, she insisted
that both of them will be exonerated. I said, will
that be before he's executed her?
Speaker 1 (08:34):
After?
Speaker 2 (08:34):
As she said before, Nate. She was very snippy with
that answer, and she promised. I said, we'll follow up
every year on your birthday to see if that exoneration
has happened, and she said it will not be twenty
or thirty years. I can tell you that I will
not be in prison for twenty or thirty years. So
we'll see.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Crime stores with Nancy Grace. You mentioned earlier how you
asked her, Hey, why don't you just tell me? In Hawaii?
When I was saying, hey, where are the children? Where
are the children? And I'm about to play her answer
about how she was so traumatized. The truth is she
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didn't answer because they were dead and buried. Let's hear
Nate eaton quest question coult mom on the Hawaii let
me say bait and switch.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Listen, can we go back to Hawaii when I first
met you and Chad and.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
We didn't meet. You just put a microphone in my face.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Okay, now we have met, we have met. You're right,
why didn't you just tell me where the kids were?
Speaker 5 (09:44):
Because I was not ready to talk about it at
all at that point. I was just not ready. It
was very traumatic and I was not ready for any
of that.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Are you ready to talk now?
Speaker 4 (09:55):
I have talked about it already.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Yeah, Okay. She wasn't ready to talk about her children.
I mean, I'm certainly no go by, but if anybody
even says children or daughter or son or twin, I'm
like all over it. In fact, I have to make
myself stop talking about them because really probably nobody else cares,
obviously not as much as I do. So they don't
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want to hear all that. To say she was too
traumatized to talk about it. Okay, what is her truth?
That's total bs right, that's when people say, I'm going
to tell my truth. There's only one truth. Okay, it
doesn't change. Ever, facts can be added to it, but
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the truth doesn't change. So when it's all said and done,
what is her story about what happened to her children?
Let's say it out loud, JJ and Tiley. They're dead, tilely,
burned down to nothing but some flesh and fat in
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a bucket, singed as what was left of her. JJ
was more hermetically sealed like a mummy, still wearing his
little pajamas he had on, and she said her brother
took him from her apartment. So what is her story
about what happened to JJ and Tyley?
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Honestly, it's somewhat offensive, Nancy. She says that in so
many words putting the pieces together, that Tyley accidentally killed
JJ and then felt so bad about it that she
then took her own life, and that Alex, her brother,
then didn't want Laurie to be so tra traumatized, so
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he took care of the bodies. Now, besides being offensive
to her daughter, blaming this all on her daughter, it
doesn't make sense. The timeline doesn't make sense. JJ died first,
or excuse me, Tyley died first. Tiley disappeared first two
or three weeks before JJ. So if she died first,
how did she then kill JJ. Laurie argued and said,
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that's not the timeline. Well, that's the evidence. That's all
what the evidence showed, with cell phone pings and photographs
and Alex Cox staying busy. So it doesn't make sense.
I don't want to say she's making it up as
she goes, because this is a series of events that
she had relayed to people a few years ago. But
she seems to become more and more entrenched that this
is what happened. As for the death of her four thousand.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Okay, question, Nate Ayton for those just joining us, could
you slowly explain again? And it has changed a little
bit her version of what really happened to JJ and Tyly.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Tyly accidentally killed JJ, Laurie believes, or says she then
Tyley then felt so bad about it she took her
own life and then to Laurie from all of this tragedy,
Her brother Alex disposed of the bodies and told Laurie
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they're in a safe place, and then Laurie learned about
their conditions when she went to trial. She claims she
didn't know how bad the bodies were. I mean again,
it just is so incredibly offensive to blame your daughter
who was killed as you described in such honest terms. There,
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that is what she says happened. Now, how did Charles
Valo die Well, she says it was self defense and
a family tragedy. How did Tammy da Bell die in
natural causes? She said, even though the coroner who did
originally say natural causes came back a medical examiner and
said no, she was asphyxiated. There was bruises on her
arms like she had been held down, and they said
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that she died in her own bed. So it doesn't
make sense a Nancy, But that's the story that Laurie's telling.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Take a listen to more of Nate Eton with Caultmam
Laurie Vala behind bars.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
But you still love him absolutely, and you've said you'll
be exonerated.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
And he will too, absolutely?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Will Will that be before he's executed?
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Yes, Nate, before he's executed. But you're well aware.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
You know, I know that you are lds as well
as I am, right, and you're well aware that the
three n fights in third twenty eight were given the
death penalty seven times. They were arrested after Jesus personally
translated them. Okay, they were given they were arrested, convicted
and given the death penalty seven times.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
And where are they today?
Speaker 2 (14:41):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
They're still wandering the earth.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
They didn't get executed, so they didn't get the death penalty.
And there's two hundred and twenty people in this country
who have been on death row and have been exonerated
and gone home.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Okay, what is she talking about?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
I'll be honest with you. I don't know, Nancy, I
don't know. She says that that she and I share
a faith. I do not share that faith with her.
I do not share those beliefs with her. I have
never heard of what she's talking about. As you can tell,
she is obsessed with religion. She was diagnosed by six
or seven psychiatrists with a religious delusion disorder that she believes,
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or at least says, she believes that her and Chads
are these gods and goddesses and that they have an
assignment from God to gather. And at one point in
the interview she tried to and we may get there,
but she tried to tell me that I was comparable
to the movie Evan Almighty, who a reporter who turns
into a politician who is then told by God to
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gather people and build an arc. And so he builds
an arc kind of like Noah. He gathers the animal
and sells And Laurie tells me, you need to get
on the boat, Nate, you need to get on the boat,
and that way I can teach you. So she sees
herself as a god, a goddess, someone who's designed to
gather and get followers.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Okay, Convinced that Dave Bail the prophet will not be
executed and that they will both be exonerated. She seems
to think in the near future, but you know, nay eaton.
I often use this saying when you don't know a horse.
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Look at her track record. She also said the end
of the world was coming, and that a certain number
one hundred and eighteen thousand I believe it was people.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
One hundred and forty five hundred and forty.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Fourth thank you, were the only ones that would go
to eternity in heaven. Of course she was going to
be one, and that she would be leading them to heaven.
Now hasn't that date come and gone?
Speaker 2 (16:44):
It was July twentieth of twenty twenty. That was the
original date that Chad said. I asked her about that
or about you know, she Nancy. I know on good
authority that she repeatedly said during her trial in Idaho
that the Lord would come before the end of her
trial and free her. People have told me that in
the know, and so I asked her about that, and
she said, I never set a date. We've never set
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a date. And then she said the Lord's timing, and
the Lord's timing one day is one thousand years, so
when you say soon, it's relative. So the issue with
Laurie Valo day Bell is that even if you believe
she's telling you a straight out fact, you have to
question it because a lot of times it is not
a fact. So she denied that she ever gave a date,
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But we have court documents that say Chad Dave Bell
and she were saying the world was going to end
in July of twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
You know who. I think very often we not us,
but gets lost in the sauce, and that's Tammy Day Bell.
And I think it's because we gravitate toward the children victims.
All right, but Tammy Day Bell was brutally murdered, coldly
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murdered in her sleep. What exactly did the medical examiner
say happened to Tammy Daymail?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Well, the first the coroner, who is an elected official,
and in Idaho, when you're a coroner, you don't have
to have any training. I could run for a corner
and be elected. And the corner was brand new in
her office and responded to the scene, and Chad was upset.
The children were crying, and so the coroner said ruled
it originally as natural causes. Tammy died on a Tuesday
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or on a Saturday, and she was buried. Funeral was Tuesday.
I mean he they they and transported to another state
to Burrier. Chad was in a rush to get the
funeral done, even though family members were coming from out
of town. And then three weeks later, you know, Nancy hurt,
Laurie and Chatter married in Hawaii. Then they exhumed Tammy's
body after all of the children were reported missing and
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all of these things you know, were coming up mysterious,
and the medical examiner then changed the cause of death
from natural causes to as phixie. Of course, Laurie was
obsessed with the fact that it was originally ruled natural causes,
and then once Laurie and Chad were under investigation, suddenly
they had to change it to get her on something,
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to get her and Chad arrest them on something. So
she says it was natural causes. But that night that
Dave Bell died, Cox's phone was parked or pinned at
a church right by Chad's house for an hour or so,
during the hour that they believe Tammy died, so it's
quite possible Chad day Bell picked him up, took him
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to the house. They both killed her. It's a two
person job. One person holds Tammy down, the other smothers
her or asphyxiates her, and then Alex Cox left the
house and drove away, or at least his phone was
on the move. It'd be great to ask Alex Cox
all of these questions. But he died the day after
Tammy Dave Bell was a zoomed. I asked Laurie if
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she and Chad had anything to do with his death,
and she said no, it was a surprise to them
and that death was ruled a heart issue. But there's
a lot of questions.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yeah, well so is Tammy Day Bells. Tammy Day Bells
rual natural causes too, And you know what, I know
you're not gonna like it, and I don't like saying it,
but it's the truth that got screwed up. And I'm
speaking mildly. Don't make excuses for the coroner calling it
natural causes. The coroner did not do his job, and
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that has fed in to call my Lori Valo's theory
that this was all a setup. That's on the corner.
I don't care if he was new, I don't care.
There's no excuse, and it has caused a lot of problems.
You know about the Ellen Greenberg case, right, the corner
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change is really from homicide to suicide. See how many
problems that's caused. And it's still going on now fourteen
years later because of a bad cod cause of death ruling.
So you know, I don't have any tolerance for screwing
up your job and causing a lot of pain and
a heartache for years to come and we're still hearing
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about it right now. That screw up by the coroner
that said Tammy day Bell was as healthy as a horse.
She just ran in a marathon for Pete's sake. And
there's so many things that alluded to her death, like
Chad Dave Bell being clairvoyant and having a vision that
Tammy was going to die a SBS. It's just like
oj Simpson and Scott Peterson being clairvoyant. No, they killed,
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they killed He killed Nicole Brown Simpson did, and Scott
Peterson murdered Lacy Peterson and said Dave Bell was not clairvoyant.
He murdered Timmy day Bell. He even sent her on
an hours and hours long trek to visit relatives and
friends for the last time because he knew he was
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going to kill her. Total BS, isn't it true? Nate
Eaton that while Tammy day Bell was still living before
her untimely asphyxiation death. That Calman Laurie Valle went online
and ordered her calt mom's wedding dress, Chad day Bell's
groom outfit, and even got a ring online to Mary
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Chad day Bell in Hawaii before Tammy was murdered, and
then shortly thereafter, lo and behold Tammy's dead, right, So
she's clairvoyant too, and you're all clairvoyant.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
She ordered it on her dead husband's Amazon account, Charles
Valow's Amazon account, and had it shifted to Idaho, where
Laurie was living. Don't forget, Nancy, that ten days before
Tammy died, she returned home from an evening out with
some ladies, got out of the car and there was
a gunman in her driveway, pointed pointing a large semi
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automatic rifle at her. Tammy at the time thought it
was a paintball gun because the person was firing and
it was giving a whosh noise and nothing came out.
Tammy screamed, the gunman run away, ran away, and then
they ended up calling nine one one. And at the
time this was a very rural Idaho Nancy, I mean,
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this is the middle of nowhere. Stuff like this does
not happen. We learned during the trial that alex Cox
or his phone at least was stationed at a place
near tammy Day Bell's home, and that he had been
by ammunition and been to a firing range and had
all these weapons in his garage. And tammy Day Bell
did not park in the place she normally parked. She
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parked in the other driveway, and so it's likely he
had to run across the lawn as he was running
that gun. There's pins inside that gun that got jostled,
and thus it didn't cause it to fire. Had she
parked where she normally parked, she could have been shot
to death in her driveway, with whether the gunman being
you know, just feet away from her. But it didn't happen.
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So when that didn't happen, Chad Day Bell, alex coxlri
Valo had to come up with another plan to get
rid of tammy Day Bell. And ten days later, as
you mentioned, she was healthy, she'd been to zumba classes,
she had been moving heavy boxes of books around the school,
she was a librarian. Everything was fine, everything was fine,
and then she dies in her sleep.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Here is a portion of Nate eton Easodaho News dot
COM's interview the exclusive interview with coltmom Laurie Valo, where
she tries to defend the prophet Chad Davel blaming her
for the murders at trial.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Listen, So you think Chad they had to come up
with a defense just to have one in court. You
don't think he really believed or blamed all of this.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
On you and Alex absolutely, And I know that for
a fact because John Pryor came and told me that
prior to trial.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
He did.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
He said, this is going to be our defense.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
He said, I'm going to blame you, and Chad doesn't
want me to and I want you he wants you
to know that. And this is the kind of stuff
that goes on behind the scenes that nobody sees.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
That nobody knows what's going on.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
There's so much stuff going on that you wouldn't even
believe all the things that go on.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
So is that supposed to be a good thing for
Chad Dabel? Does that make him a better person? Because he,
according to coltmom, lied in court and blamed her while
secretly he didn't want to because it wasn't true. Whatever
happened to the truth. So does that somehow mollify her
that her husband lied and blamed her in court but
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didn't want.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
To Well, that's I guess, So I guess that brings
her comfort. This is the woman that was so upset
that things were not going her way that she became
her own attorney in Arizona for two trials, her fourth
husband and the attempted murder of her nephew former nephew.
And we saw how that turned out. The jury came
back on both of those cases in less than an hour,
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having a verdict. So you know, she lives in her
own little world, Nancy. She does her own thing, and
she's convinced herself that is the truth, or at least
that's what she is saying publicly, that her husband still
loves her, still stands by her. She became so upset
I'll never forget when her attorneys during closing arguments in
Idaho called Chad da Bell's books stupid to the jury.
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They said she got caught up in a guy who
wrote a bunch of stupid books. Laurie became so upset
she started to cry. She refused to talk to her attorney.
She said how dare you call my husband's books stupid?
Wouldn't even look at the attorney. And when they finally
threw a little bit of shade at Chad, they finally
went after him, just a tiny bit. She was not
happy with that. Yet in Chad's trial they threw her
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and Alex under the bus in what way didn't matter
because they were guilty on all accounts. They said that
Laurie got caught up or had that Chad got caught
up with Lourie, that she was the instigator in this,
that Alex did all the dirty work, and that Chad
just was living his life and you know, had an
affair with a woman and he didn't know these people
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were dying, and Tammy died naturally. Amy just you know,
may have had a heart issue, or may have may
have never been to the doctor, or I mean, all
sorts of defenses that at the end of the day
didn't matter because the jury came back with inverting.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace Nate Ayton, you do know
that asphyxiation, in my opinion, is one of the easiest
CODs to prove, the easiest. Uh you will have burst
PARTICII in the eyeballs, where the blood make it's cut
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off from here up and the vessels explode in the eyes.
You'll have sometimes bruising, bruising or reddening around the mouth.
There's very often marks on the throat. It's really easy
in most cases to determine if someone has been asphyxiated suffocated,
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and there's many modes of asphyxiation. It can be a
ligature or manual strangulation. It could be suffocation by a pillow.
For instance. I had one case where a woman had
a one of those transparent laundry bags that they put
over your clothes at the dry cleaner put over her
head and she was asphyxiated that way. How do I
know that? Because tiny particles of the plastic bag were
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still up in her nose and on her mouth where
she tried to breathe through it. So you can be
asphyxiated in many ways, but the telltale signs are always there.
So there's really no question in my mind about how
Tammy Dabel was murdered. Speaking of his as the lawyer said,
stupid books, they're all freaky. One foot in the grave
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martial law. Doug's dilemma escaped to Zion, the Keys of
the Kingdom, reclaiming liberty, the renewed Earth. What happened to
the earth was it destroyed, evading Babylon, The Rise of Zion,
Days of Fury, the Great Gathering. I guess that's the
one hundred and forty four thousand, the exclusive ones that
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get to go to Heaven. You know, that's a completely
different story that I heard in the New Testament. Of course, again,
I'm no biblical scholar, but I got hope for the
New Testament that even losers like me and Paul aka
Saul and all of the disciples who were just basically
day laborers, if they're going to get to go, why
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do you have to be one of the one hundred
and forty four thousand elite. I mean, I don't get it.
But his books are way out there.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Yeah, he wasn't the best selling our author, Nancy. They
said in court that at most he was making maybe
thirty thousand dollars a year from selling these books. I asked, Laurie,
how did you go to Hawaii and stay in this
million dollar condo These million dollar condo complex is very
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beautiful gated community. Who paid for that? And she said
Chad dave Bell paid for it. I said, Chad Dabell
made thirty thousand dollars a year and the only way
that he could pay for it was Tammy day Bell's
life insurance money. And the day after Tammy died on
a Saturday, the Monday first thing, he's at the school
district asking how to cash out on his wife's life
insurance policy. They conveniently, they had upped to the maximum
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amount a month earlier, and he was able to get
the four hundred thousand dollars from her life insurance policy.
So it doesn't make sense. Laurie dave Bell claims that
she and Tammy were friends and that Chad's okay with it,
that Tammy comes and visits her in jail and that
you know, all is.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Well, Tammy, I mean Tammy visits her in jail dead.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Tammy, Yeah, comes in Caesar, that JJ and Tyley visit
her daily, that they're healthy and fine, and that you know,
they're okay with what she's done and they have no
issue with her. That it's just us on the outside
that don't really see she's done.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
So they say that she did.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
I guess what she says that she didn't do anything,
but what's happened with her, the fact that she's in
jail and all of that. She says that they're fine
with it, that they love her.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Now Here is called Montmory Valo talking about a million
dollar expert witness.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
We got this expert. We paid them a million dollars
to say the opposite of whatever.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Your expert's going to say.
Speaker 5 (31:22):
Like, what do you mean they paid them? The state
paid an expert a million dollars retainer to say whatever,
the opposite of what our state in Idaho was what
our witness is going to say. And the attorneys told
me this, and I'm like, are you kidding?
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Like you didn't have any witnesses?
Speaker 4 (31:41):
We did, Yeah, in the build up we did.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Again, Nancy, there's another thing that doesn't.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Build sense, But that million dollar witness didn't come to trial.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
No, no, no, no, no, And there was no there
was never a million dollar witness on a retainer that
the prosecution had some mental health experts who know about
religious delusions on standby in case Laurie used that as
a defense, but it wasn't going to be a million dollars.
And this was in response to a question I asked
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is to why didn't you put on a defense. She
said that if she would have, the state had set
this all up, that there was this narrative and that
they would have, you know, paid people to testify against her. Again,
it doesn't make sense, and so I said, well, you
didn't call any witnesses at any of your trials. We
never heard from one witness. She never took the stand.
Laurie never did, even when she was representing herself. And
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I think it's because Laurie likes to be in control.
Laurie does not want to see control to anybody. And
even in this interview, Nancy repeatedly she tried to talk
over me. She dodged the question. You can see when
she walked in, she shook my hand with both hands,
you know, a power handshake, and then she sat down
and I wished her happy birthday and immediately moved to Chad,
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and she pivoted back to, yeah, it is my birthday.
How well do you think I am? The ladies in
here think I'm twenty five, but I'm really you know,
she tries to control everything. Had she taken the stand,
she would not have been in control. When the prosecution
asked her questions, so she never did. So this is
a way for her to kind of share her version
of events. And I don't know if we're going to
get there, Nancy, but she says she's every day she
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sits in her cell writing books of scripture that will
one day be public and we will all read them
as scripture. I'll send you a copy.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Okay, Actually I would love to read. What she says
is the truth. Of course it all belies. And speaking
of a scapegoat, she has blamed her own daughter Tilely
for Tilie's death and JJ's death. She blames natural causes
and a conspiracy cover up for Tammy Dabell's murder. But
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now she's blaming not only the judicial system but the media.
And I guess that's you, Nate.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Listen, you said that this has all been a family tragedy. Yes,
and it has been a huge tragedy. Absolutely, four jurys
have said you and Chad and Alex caused the tragedy.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Yeah, that's the judicial system.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
But how do you argue with that if all of
this evidence came out that showed you know that, you check.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
The only evidence that ever came out is the evidence
state wanted to put forth. They manipulate the evidence to
make it look however they want.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
And guess who helps them. The media helped.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
How do you feel knowing it's all your fault. I
guess it's your fault. She was convicted in your fault
that at least three people, excuse me, four people are
dead well shell.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
After she was arrested in Hawaii, I know on good authority,
she they transferred her back to Idaho on a plane.
She was on the very back road of the plane.
She was handcuffed. They had her in normal clothes so
that she wouldn't stick out. She was surrounded by officers
who were in normal clothes. Looked like an average person.
But people were quickly spread on the plane that Lori
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Valoda Bell was on that flight. Remember her kids were
still missing. We didn't know anything that we know now,
just that her kids were missing and she wasn't talking.
People started to walk toward the back of the plane
with their phones and kind of take photos of her,
and Laurie said to one of the officers, all of
this is because of Nate Eaton, because of that moment
in Hawaii when I shoved that microphone in her face.
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This has been a narrative. She talks about narratives. This
has been her narrative that she has said that it's
the media's fault. Yet yet she has communicated with me
for five years, was willing to sit down to do
a Jelhouse interview. So it's like she says she hates
the media, Nancy, but every time she sees a camera
she has hair and makeup on and turns and smiles
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and seems to enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Speaking of the narrative, here's her as you call it narrative.
I call it a lie about what happened to Tylie
and JJ.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
What's false about oh my gosh everything?
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Your children were found dead in Chad's backyard. That's not wrong.
That's Higley was chopped up and burned. That's not wrong.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
No, that's all mixed up.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
That was nice. I saw photos of JJ wrapped in
plastic and duct tape. That wasn't wrong.
Speaker 5 (36:08):
Okay, I understand what you're saying of those facts. Those
facts in and of themselves are wrapped around a whole
lot of untruth.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Okay. That sounds like Bayes because she never does say
what is quote wrong with those facts? But there's more
about the narrative.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Listen, So, if Tyler killed JJ and then felt bad
and committed suicide, how did she die first? She didn't,
She shouldn't.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
That's part of their whole fake narrative. That's part that's
part of everything that they were doing. So I don't
really want to get into all of those details with you,
because you obviously are very set in your mind.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
I'm not here to change people's minds. I want you to.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Change my mind. I'd love to hear any evidence or
facts you have that might make me think, you know what.
They haven't wrong. But they haven't wrong. But I haven't
heard anything otherwise.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
That's because you've been pushing this narrative for five and
a half years. You're not telling me that your mind
is not set on what it is already.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
That is a story that is old. Is time. When
you confront someone with their lies, they can't answer. That's
why people don't take the stand. Did you see her
becoming combative and defensive if there was an innocent explanation.
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There's no innocent explanation. But if there was an explanation
that exonerated her and or debil she would say, look,
this is what happened. Right, but she can't because what
happened is they murdered two children, they murdered a woman
in her sleep, and they shot down an unarmed man.
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And I am not convinced that Joseph Ryan died of
natural causes. His body was already decomposing when he was
found dead, and then he was immediately cremated at her insistence.
I'm not convinced Ryan died of a natural death, but
that's another can of worms. Describe what you were thinking
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when she was refusing to give an answer.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Well, I wasn't to be honest, expecting her to be
honest with me. It would have been shocking if she said,
you're right, you know, this is what happened, or even
as you said, give some sort of sentence idea that
might plausibly make sense, but it doesn't make sense. It
doesn't make any sense, and she, you know, has convinced
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herself that it's not making sense, and that she is
the one that knows better than everybody. What's interesting, Nancy is,
during this interview, we told her we would air it unedited,
we weren't going to take any breaks, and it was
forty minutes. She wanted two hours. She wanted one hour
on one day and one hour the next. That jail said,
you get forty minutes. She said, well, we'll try to
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get it all in. She had a lit dividems she
wanted to talk about. So we're about fifteen minutes into
the interview and her paralegal arrived late, and so we
did need to pause while the paralegal came in the
room and got situated, but we kept our cameras rolling
and we were in the middle of a heated exchange
when I said, do we need to pause for a moment,
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And the paralegal came in and Laurie instantly dropped her
guard and asked if I had a good time in
Hawaii when I saw her, And I said, why did
we didn't even go on the beach? She goes, why,
I said, we were too busy chasing you. She goes,
I went to the beach, you chased me on the beach.
It was as if she didn't care, and she saw
this more as a show. And then once her paralegal
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was situated and ready, the conversation went from here to
here again. She jumped right back into that you know,
heated moment. So I don't know if it's acting. I
don't know, if it's her putting on a show. I
don't know if it's really her her convictions deep down,
but you know she she's She's one that I won't forget.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Obviously, now we hear called mom Laurie Valo comparing herself
to biblical heroes.
Speaker 5 (40:10):
Listen, So in twenty seventeen, I was told by the
Lord that I was going to become like Job and
lose everything. Will I do this job if I lose everything?
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Really? Okay, correct me if I'm wrong. But in the end,
didn't Job get everything and more given to him by
the Lord? Isn't that the way that turned out?
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Yeah? Well, I think what That's what Laurie thinks might
be happening, or at least that's what she says will happen.
This is another thing that this happened in twenty seventeen,
she says. Her family, members, her friends, none of them
are call her ever telling anybody this that this was
going to happen. She told me during the interview that
she died during childbirth. She her family and friends say,
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we've never heard that story where you would think if
someone died delivering a baby Nancy, people would know about
it and then came back to life, you and everybody
would know it was a very traumatic childbirth, you know,
near fatal. She never told anybody about this, but now
she's starting to tell these stories that she says happened
to her, and their news to many people and more.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
Well, listen, and nobody was asking me what's happening. Nobody asked.
I tried top Well, would you have listened? Then you
have to absolutely, I wish you. You need to be
on the boat, Nate. Are you on the boat yet?
Speaker 5 (41:33):
Because when you're on the boat, Nate, I am going
to be happy to share all this stuff with you
because miracles are on the way. I want to miracles are.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
On the way, and when you're on the boat.
Speaker 5 (41:41):
That's why I sent you that that last message. Well,
I sent you the last message saying when you're on
the boat, you'll be ready night.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Are you on the boat?
Speaker 4 (41:49):
What?
Speaker 2 (41:49):
But this is the Noah's arcs well comparable to Noah's Ark.
Nancy again she thinks that that movie Evan Almighty, the
reporter who becomes Noah, that I'm somehow that guy, and
that I need to get on the boat. The arc
because the world's going to end. And once I'm on
the boat, Laurie can teach me of her ways. Once
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we shared this interview, I had many people who wrote
me and said, Nate, do not get on that boat.
Do not go anywhere near that boat. So Nancy, if
you see me building an arc, please come and save me.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Please don't get on the boat. Do not get on
the boat. You know how to swim right, swim first. Okay,
there's more, And this is a really interesting moment in
your interview with Colt. Mom, Laurie Valo. Listen, you say,
Jesus is your friend.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Does he support cheating on your spouse?
Speaker 4 (42:46):
We weren't cheating.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Does he support killing your husband?
Speaker 4 (42:49):
I didn't kill anybody ever.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Killing your kids.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
I didn't kill anybody killing your boyfriend's wife.
Speaker 5 (42:55):
Okay, was I in Hawaii when Tammy died? How did
I kill her? Are you going to explain that to
the world now?
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Man, If she's crazy, she's crazy like a fuck. She
knows those facts backwards and forwards and can whip them
out in her defense. But you did get her very
discombobulated when you accused her of cheating. And how would
christ feel about that. I'm not going to even bring
up the woman at the well to you right now,
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but that said that really put a stick up her
rear end.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Yeah, she says we weren't cheating. In fact, she says
that she was with Tammy and Chad a few times together,
all three of them. Yet close friends have told me
that Tammy and Laurie never met. So again, we have
a false comparison here. But Laurie said she didn't kill anyone,
didn't cheat. I mean, you could list the ten commandments, Nancy,
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and I think Laurie's broken most of them. If she's
true to her faith. You go down that list, and
most of them have been broken by her. And I'm
not one to judge, like you said, you're not judging.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
But she she oh, I'm totally judging. I don't have
a leg to stand on, of course, but I am
totally She killed them. I know she killed them, the children.
She had a hand in that, and a hand in
the murder of Tammy Daybell, and a hand in the
matter of Valo, her husband, Charles Valo. Yeah, I'm calling
it right.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
And it came out during trial Nancy that Laurie would
tell her friends she would. She would take her hand
if something were to happen, and she'd say, doesn't count
for me, doesn't apply to me having an affair. Why
don't you just divorce Charles and Mary Chad? Nope, doesn't
count for me, as if she had already been exalted.
She was living this higher law, this bigger purpose, and
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so that's how everything could be justified it. Oh, doesn't
doesn't doesn't count for her. It counts for all of us,
but not for her.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
Okay, night, Ayton, could you explain something. What does this mean?
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Yeah, yeah, that's just something she would do. She would
she would tap, tap her hand or tap her counter
and say, doesn't count for me. She that was just
one thing she'd do, just tap twice. I don't know
what it means. But there were her friends who testified
that she would slap her hand and say it doesn't
count for me.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
And there's more about her cult, Mam Laurie Valle, using
her children's money after they're dead.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
Using your kid's money while they're dead.
Speaker 4 (45:19):
Okay, all that is messed up to.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
How did you run that unit in Hawaii?
Speaker 4 (45:25):
That's what Chad rented it.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
I didn't have any money until Tommy died.
Speaker 5 (45:31):
Chad rented it with his own money. Chad was an
author and a publisher and had his own company.
Speaker 4 (45:37):
So that's what I'm saying. Year, No, but you're getting
up facts that you don't. You're giving up whatever the
state put up.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
What is she saying? Did you see her look away
when you confronted her.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
She was looking at her investigator who was sitting right here,
the defense investigator, who she repeatedly looked at. Now, he
was not prompting her. I think she just does that
as a kind of a secure already banger for reassurance.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
But night, Chad day night. People do that when they're
lying or when they're trying to think out what to say.
Like I'm looking at you right now. If you asked
me a question and I don't like the truth, I
go and I have to think up an answer. That's
what she's doing. She's looking away from the question.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
Yeah, yeah, it's true. And that was a question that
she couldn't answer because Chad didn't have money. You know
who supported that family, Tammy as a school librarian, making
twelve dollars an hour. I don't remember the exact amount,
but it was not a lot of money part time,
and Chad's writing these books that nobody's buying. Suddenly Charles
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Valo is shot and they think they're getting a million dollars.
They didn't. But then Tammy Dabel dies and they've got
half a million dollars almost coming into them. And then
they're getting money from Tyley and from JJ's death. She
continued to collect on those things, on those moneies long
after her kids had died, so money became a big
part of this trial. She says that the state eight
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presented evidence, crafted a narrative, and that only their version
of events went out. When I asked why didn't you
present a defense? Why didn't you present evidence? She couldn't answer.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Now you asked her about Chad Dave Bail as a
prophet and their predictions of the end of time.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
Listen, when you were on trial in Idaho, didn't you
say that Jesus was going to be back before the
end of that trial?
Speaker 4 (47:26):
Okay? Who said I said that?
Speaker 2 (47:28):
I'm asking you. Did you say, absolutely not?
Speaker 4 (47:30):
I have never, Chad has never.
Speaker 5 (47:32):
We've never given a date or a time the prophet
July twentieth. Somebody made that up and put it on there.
I have never said it. Chad has never said it.
We've never had a date.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
Yeah, somebody made it up, all right, her and day Bail.
They made it up. Okay, there's more. Listen.
Speaker 5 (47:49):
There's always a Judas. And I almost used to think
of you.
Speaker 4 (47:53):
As the Judas me.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
Was I in the dark list?
Speaker 1 (47:55):
No?
Speaker 5 (47:55):
But this is what I'm saying, there's a Judas. People
think that Judas is a villain. Judas is not a villain.
You know what Judas was.
Speaker 4 (48:04):
Judas was a vessel. Judas was a.
Speaker 5 (48:07):
Vessel for God's plan to come to fluition. And he
told me the other day, it's coming to full fluition God.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
Yes, Okay, Judas is the villain. Okay, if he's forgiven,
that's not my doing. But that said, how does it
feel to be called Judas? Of all things Judas?
Speaker 2 (48:29):
What was interesting is right after that, I said, was
I on the dark list? And she quickly said no
to me, she acknowledged there was a list of dark
and light, which she had previously denied her in chat
had that list of whose light and who's dark? And
if you were on the dark list, toward the bottom
you became a zombie. And the way to get rid
of zombies is to kill them. The only people that
we know of who were zombies happened to be related
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to Chad and Laurie and needed to be disposed of
because they thought that there was a financial reason. But
you know, she's Joe, I'm Judas.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
All the zombies just happened to have life insurance policies.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
Right right, yeah, you know she I asked her when
we wrapped up, do you have any regrets about all
of this? And she paused and said, that's a good question.
And in my mind I was wondering, was she Was
she wondering in her mind I regret that we didn't
hide it better, that we didn't do this or this?
Or was she wondering I regret that this all happened period.
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I hate to say it, but I think it was
the first way. If she could redo it again, they
would have been more careful with their cell phone evidence.
They would have you know, took taken off the cloud,
turned off their iCloud, things like that. I think those
are the regrets she has, rather than the fact that
these beautiful people were.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Killed and more dragging God into it.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Why did I tell all this to the police, So
why didn't you tell them all this when you arrested,
Explain this to them. You know, God's told me to
do this. Give your defense.
Speaker 4 (49:58):
Really, what happened to people and they say God tell
them to do something, they lock them up. Well I'm
locked up.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
Well night Eton the exclusive interview with Caltmam Laurie Valo
from behind Mars. When you walked out of that room,
what were your thoughts?
Speaker 2 (50:15):
It was mentally exhausting. I'll tell you that I had
to wrap up. They gave me a wrap up, They
said we need to finish, so I wasn't. I had
fifteen note cards there that I didn't get through at all.
But then again, Nancy, I wonder if she really if
I would have gotten much more from her that what
you've played today is kind of how all of the
conversation went. It was exhausting, it was interesting. It was
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one that I don't forget. I will say I haven't
heard from Lurie since the interview, so maybe she wasn't
happy with how it turned out. Maybe her tablet broke.
I don't know, but we'll see if she contacts me
in the future.
Speaker 1 (50:49):
Well, are you sorry? Do you want to hear from her?
Speaker 2 (50:52):
I don't know. I don't know if i'd interview her again.
I think if I were to interview her again, I
would talk with the Victimsry Woodcock, the victims of Tammy
Day Bell, their family members. I would ask them what
questions they want me to ask her, because she's never
communicated with them, they haven't had a chance to talk
to her, and I would go to the jail with
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those questions. I would say, Kay Woodcock wants to know
why you didn't just give JJ to her. Had they
given JJ to Kay and Larry, we might not have
known about any of this. Tammy Day Bell would have
been buried, it would have been natural causes. Charles Valo
would have been shot. Then Alex Cox died the shooter.
That case likely would have been closed. Tyler could have
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been reported as a runaway as an adult and they
maybe never would have found her, and Chad and Laurie
could have gone and lived their lives. Now how long
until they run out of money? And who becomes the
next victim? That would have been the question.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
Last question, Natyen, did you detect any remorse at all
from Coltman Laurie Vale?
Speaker 2 (51:55):
No, Nope, Nope, Maybe maybe remorse that she got caught,
maybe a little bit of remorse that she's in jail
in this in Maricopa County in Arizona. She looks forward
to coming back to Idaho to serving her prison sentence.
She'll be sentenced later in July. She's preparing her statement
that she plans to read and if it's anything like
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the ones she gave in Idaho, it will be Jesus
is my friend, Jesus loves me, things like that, and
then they'll transfer her back to Idaho, where, according to her,
she'll be exonerated soon. But according to the rest of us,
she'll die. She'll die behind bars in prison.
Speaker 1 (52:32):
We wait as justice unfold. Nate Dan, thank you so
much for not just today, but for everything you did
to help uncover the truth about what happened to JJ
and Tyley and Tammy and Charles Valow. Thank you, and
(52:53):
good night, friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Colt Mom Lorie Valo. Now
that she's not on cross examination, she opens up behind
bars and tells, how should I say this? Her truth?
In other words, her crazy story. She's spinning out. But
(00:22):
oh no, no, not to me. To Nate Eaton from
Eastidaho News dot Com, Nate had the I guess opportunity
would be a way to put it. To sit down
with Colt Mom Laurie Valo behind bars refresher Colt Mom
Laurie Valo, the Devil's hence person, her two children found murdered,
(00:49):
buried in the backyard of her Let's see was it
the fourth or the fifth husband? I think the fifth husband,
the prophet Chad da Bell both doomsday if it's of course,
she's finding everybody to blame but herself. And I believe
she refers to you, Nate Eaton as Judas does she not?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
She does? She said at one point she thought I
was Judas.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Okay, let's kick it off. Laurie Valo being escorted into
the interview room. Now she's not cuffed, which would have
given me, uh pause for concern, But that said, listen
to Coultmom Laurie Valo being ushered into the interview room.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Hi, Laurie, how are you you ready?
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Hi, good to see it. Hey, such a pleasure, have
a seat.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
A long time coming?
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Huh birthday?
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Oh thank you?
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yes, happy birthday, my rear rand. Are you serious? Happy birthday?
She murdered her two children and Chad day Bell's wife, Tammy,
I mean, happy birthday, my rear rand. Are you serious?
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I wanted to disarm her. Nancy, I wanted to disarmor
so I did stay. Happy birthday, But then we immediately
moved into questions about Chad. I had been told she
would be tough, so that was a surprise to me.
Nancy I had also been told that one of her
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defense attorneys, our advisory attorneys, would be in the room,
and that's who was in the room. But notice she
came in with a packet of documents of files that
she wanted to refer to, but she didn't mention them
one time. She had a notebook there. She she noticed
she's wearing on her fourth finger, Nancy, the wedding ring finger.
She's wearing a hair band to signify that she's still
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devoted to Chad day Bell. And then she comes to
shake my hand that I had also been told we
would not be able to touch, and then she was
sitting down ready to go.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Well, obviously you I hate to just throw you into
the stereotypical male gene pool, but hey, do you notice
you're a lucky one because she got her hair done
and put on her jailhouse makeup for you. She's totally
all dolled up for you, all for you, Nate.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
She did why well, you know, I don't know. We've
I've waited five six years to ask her some questions,
and maybe she had some questions for me, as I'm
sure we'll talk about throughout the interview. But we didn't
give her hair and makeup. Just to be clear, she
did that herself. She used to be a hairdresser before
she was incarcerated. So from what I understand, they take
their clothing and get them wet and then they're able
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to curl their hair with that. I'm not a hair expert,
but she definitely was ready to come in and chat
with me.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Okay, hold on, I just want to follow up on
what you just said. They take their what their clothing,
and what.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Right if you hold on to like a T shirt
or whatever you have and get it wet you and
then twist it up tight. You can put that in
hair and then twist it. And that's apparently how she
is able to curl her hair.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
The things we all learn. And then there's the pen makeup,
which is homemade penitentiary makeup. Okay, you just heard Nate
Eaton in his investigative glory sucking up to Colt Mom
Laurie value. But I get it. Why I start fighting
or fighting with her at the beginning. At least get
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some answers out of her before you alienate her. Let's
take a listen to Nate Eaton getting the behind Bars
interview with Colt Mom Laurie Valo.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Listen, you told me years ago Chad was the best
man you've ever met.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Dad is a very kind person. Yes.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Is that still true? Yes? So besides his spirituality, what
else attracts you to Chad?
Speaker 5 (05:00):
He's a wonderful person. Everyone who knows him knows that
you've never met him, right.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I haven't met him other than we when we were
in Hawaii.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
I'm saying you never met him, talk to him, interacted
with him or no.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
No, Yeah, I'd like to hear that experience as well.
This is going to be a far ranging interview, Nate Eden,
because what I recall of you in Hawaii is seeing
your hand chasing along with the microphone following Colt, Mom
and the prophet Chad Dabll. You know what, the things
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that are done in the name of Christ, it's painful
and I am certainly no biblical scholar. And the only
way if I do get into heaven, Nate, is because
the Lord loves the sinner. Okay, I'm just putting it
out there. But the things that have been done in
some twisted and warped interpretation of what Christ said is
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just amazing. But you know what, I'm going to leave
that up to Christ and God, whoever she is that said.
Your hand was omnipresent in Hawaii, chasing down cult Mom
and the prophet Chad dabil but they would never answer
your questions. You chased them like a doberman, but they
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never answered. Do you remember, Oh?
Speaker 2 (06:25):
I remember? I remember, Nancy. I was talking with you
about it the very next day after that happened. And
that's why I've wanted to ask all these years. I
did go on to ask her, why didn't you just
tell me where the children were Why didn't you just
tell me? And she said that she was not ready
to talk. Now I knew that Laurie was going to
take me down the rabbit hole of religion, of God,
of Christ is what you were saying. And so that's
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why I wanted to get the spirituality questions concerning Chad
out of the way. But notice Nancy, when I said
what else do you like about him? All she could
say is he's a wonderful person. She didn't say he
was handsome, she didn't say, you know, we like to
play games together or go on adventures. That's it. That's
the only quality she could say that she likes in
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chat is that he's a wonderful person and that he's
a kind person.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Yeah, you know, that's interesting. I've met your beautiful wife,
and I know that you would have many many things
to say about her as to why you think she
is so incredible. Same thing with my husband, number one,
he's an amazing father. Right of course, whenever I come
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home from being out of town, it looks like the
bears have lived there, and I'm like, what happened? He goes, Hey,
they're alive. I might yes, that much is true, but
he's actually a great father. He's funny, he's even keeled,
which is really important for me. And he's super smart.
But the funny part is the thing I like the most.
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I mean, I could just keep on going. But it's
interesting that all she said was he's a wonderful person.
What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Well, I don't know what she thinks of him now
because they haven't been able to communicate and a today
haven't spoken had a real conversation in five years, since
the morning that those bodies were found in his yard.
And he called her terrified, and he said they're searching
the house and she said, what the house? And he said, no,
the property is if she knew the police were going
to find her children buried in the backyard, that's the
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last time they've had any sort of conversation, Nancy, And
that was back in twenty twenty, she insisted, and I
don't know if you're gonna play this. Later, she insisted
that both of them will be exonerated. I said, will
that be before he's executed her?
Speaker 1 (08:34):
After?
Speaker 2 (08:34):
As she said before, Nate. She was very snippy with
that answer, and she promised. I said, we'll follow up
every year on your birthday to see if that exoneration
has happened, and she said it will not be twenty
or thirty years. I can tell you that I will
not be in prison for twenty or thirty years. So
we'll see.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Crime stores with Nancy Grace. You mentioned earlier how you
asked her, Hey, why don't you just tell me? In Hawaii?
When I was saying, hey, where are the children? Where
are the children? And I'm about to play her answer
about how she was so traumatized. The truth is she
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didn't answer because they were dead and buried. Let's hear
Nate eaton quest question coult mom on the Hawaii let
me say bait and switch.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Listen, can we go back to Hawaii when I first
met you and Chad and.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
We didn't meet. You just put a microphone in my face.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Okay, now we have met, we have met. You're right,
why didn't you just tell me where the kids were?
Speaker 5 (09:44):
Because I was not ready to talk about it at
all at that point. I was just not ready. It
was very traumatic and I was not ready for any
of that.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Are you ready to talk now?
Speaker 4 (09:55):
I have talked about it already.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Yeah, Okay. She wasn't ready to talk about her children.
I mean, I'm certainly no go by, but if anybody
even says children or daughter or son or twin, I'm
like all over it. In fact, I have to make
myself stop talking about them because really probably nobody else cares,
obviously not as much as I do. So they don't
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want to hear all that. To say she was too
traumatized to talk about it. Okay, what is her truth?
That's total bs right, that's when people say, I'm going
to tell my truth. There's only one truth. Okay, it
doesn't change. Ever, facts can be added to it, but
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the truth doesn't change. So when it's all said and done,
what is her story about what happened to her children?
Let's say it out loud, JJ and Tiley. They're dead, tilely,
burned down to nothing but some flesh and fat in
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a bucket, singed as what was left of her. JJ
was more hermetically sealed like a mummy, still wearing his
little pajamas he had on, and she said her brother
took him from her apartment. So what is her story
about what happened to JJ and Tyley?
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Honestly, it's somewhat offensive, Nancy. She says that in so
many words putting the pieces together, that Tyley accidentally killed
JJ and then felt so bad about it that she
then took her own life, and that Alex, her brother,
then didn't want Laurie to be so tra traumatized, so
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he took care of the bodies. Now, besides being offensive
to her daughter, blaming this all on her daughter, it
doesn't make sense. The timeline doesn't make sense. JJ died first,
or excuse me, Tyley died first. Tiley disappeared first two
or three weeks before JJ. So if she died first,
how did she then kill JJ. Laurie argued and said,
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that's not the timeline. Well, that's the evidence. That's all
what the evidence showed, with cell phone pings and photographs
and Alex Cox staying busy. So it doesn't make sense.
I don't want to say she's making it up as
she goes, because this is a series of events that
she had relayed to people a few years ago. But
she seems to become more and more entrenched that this
is what happened. As for the death of her four thousand.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Okay, question, Nate Ayton for those just joining us, could
you slowly explain again? And it has changed a little
bit her version of what really happened to JJ and Tyly.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Tyly accidentally killed JJ, Laurie believes, or says she then
Tyley then felt so bad about it she took her
own life and then to Laurie from all of this tragedy,
Her brother Alex disposed of the bodies and told Laurie
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they're in a safe place, and then Laurie learned about
their conditions when she went to trial. She claims she
didn't know how bad the bodies were. I mean again,
it just is so incredibly offensive to blame your daughter
who was killed as you described in such honest terms. There,
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that is what she says happened. Now, how did Charles
Valo die Well, she says it was self defense and
a family tragedy. How did Tammy da Bell die in
natural causes? She said, even though the coroner who did
originally say natural causes came back a medical examiner and
said no, she was asphyxiated. There was bruises on her
arms like she had been held down, and they said
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that she died in her own bed. So it doesn't
make sense a Nancy, But that's the story that Laurie's telling.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Take a listen to more of Nate Eton with Caultmam
Laurie Vala behind bars.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
But you still love him absolutely, and you've said you'll
be exonerated.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
And he will too, absolutely?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Will Will that be before he's executed?
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Yes, Nate, before he's executed. But you're well aware.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
You know, I know that you are lds as well
as I am, right, and you're well aware that the
three n fights in third twenty eight were given the
death penalty seven times. They were arrested after Jesus personally
translated them. Okay, they were given they were arrested, convicted
and given the death penalty seven times.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
And where are they today?
Speaker 2 (14:41):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
They're still wandering the earth.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
They didn't get executed, so they didn't get the death penalty.
And there's two hundred and twenty people in this country
who have been on death row and have been exonerated
and gone home.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Okay, what is she talking about?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
I'll be honest with you. I don't know, Nancy, I
don't know. She says that that she and I share
a faith. I do not share that faith with her.
I do not share those beliefs with her. I have
never heard of what she's talking about. As you can tell,
she is obsessed with religion. She was diagnosed by six
or seven psychiatrists with a religious delusion disorder that she believes,
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or at least says, she believes that her and Chads
are these gods and goddesses and that they have an
assignment from God to gather. And at one point in
the interview she tried to and we may get there,
but she tried to tell me that I was comparable
to the movie Evan Almighty, who a reporter who turns
into a politician who is then told by God to
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gather people and build an arc. And so he builds
an arc kind of like Noah. He gathers the animal
and sells And Laurie tells me, you need to get
on the boat, Nate, you need to get on the boat,
and that way I can teach you. So she sees
herself as a god, a goddess, someone who's designed to
gather and get followers.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Okay, Convinced that Dave Bail the prophet will not be
executed and that they will both be exonerated. She seems
to think in the near future, but you know, nay eaton.
I often use this saying when you don't know a horse.
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Look at her track record. She also said the end
of the world was coming, and that a certain number
one hundred and eighteen thousand I believe it was people.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
One hundred and forty five hundred and forty.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Fourth thank you, were the only ones that would go
to eternity in heaven. Of course she was going to
be one, and that she would be leading them to heaven.
Now hasn't that date come and gone?
Speaker 2 (16:44):
It was July twentieth of twenty twenty. That was the
original date that Chad said. I asked her about that
or about you know, she Nancy. I know on good
authority that she repeatedly said during her trial in Idaho
that the Lord would come before the end of her
trial and free her. People have told me that in
the know, and so I asked her about that, and
she said, I never set a date. We've never set
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a date. And then she said the Lord's timing, and
the Lord's timing one day is one thousand years, so
when you say soon, it's relative. So the issue with
Laurie Valo day Bell is that even if you believe
she's telling you a straight out fact, you have to
question it because a lot of times it is not
a fact. So she denied that she ever gave a date,
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But we have court documents that say Chad Dave Bell
and she were saying the world was going to end
in July of twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
You know who. I think very often we not us,
but gets lost in the sauce, and that's Tammy Day Bell.
And I think it's because we gravitate toward the children victims.
All right, but Tammy Day Bell was brutally murdered, coldly
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murdered in her sleep. What exactly did the medical examiner
say happened to Tammy Daymail?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Well, the first the coroner, who is an elected official,
and in Idaho, when you're a coroner, you don't have
to have any training. I could run for a corner
and be elected. And the corner was brand new in
her office and responded to the scene, and Chad was upset.
The children were crying, and so the coroner said ruled
it originally as natural causes. Tammy died on a Tuesday
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or on a Saturday, and she was buried. Funeral was Tuesday.
I mean he they they and transported to another state
to Burrier. Chad was in a rush to get the
funeral done, even though family members were coming from out
of town. And then three weeks later, you know, Nancy hurt,
Laurie and Chatter married in Hawaii. Then they exhumed Tammy's
body after all of the children were reported missing and
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all of these things you know, were coming up mysterious,
and the medical examiner then changed the cause of death
from natural causes to as phixie. Of course, Laurie was
obsessed with the fact that it was originally ruled natural causes,
and then once Laurie and Chad were under investigation, suddenly
they had to change it to get her on something,
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to get her and Chad arrest them on something. So
she says it was natural causes. But that night that
Dave Bell died, Cox's phone was parked or pinned at
a church right by Chad's house for an hour or so,
during the hour that they believe Tammy died, so it's
quite possible Chad day Bell picked him up, took him
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to the house. They both killed her. It's a two
person job. One person holds Tammy down, the other smothers
her or asphyxiates her, and then Alex Cox left the
house and drove away, or at least his phone was
on the move. It'd be great to ask Alex Cox
all of these questions. But he died the day after
Tammy Dave Bell was a zoomed. I asked Laurie if
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she and Chad had anything to do with his death,
and she said no, it was a surprise to them
and that death was ruled a heart issue. But there's
a lot of questions.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yeah, well so is Tammy Day Bells. Tammy Day Bells
rual natural causes too, And you know what, I know
you're not gonna like it, and I don't like saying it,
but it's the truth that got screwed up. And I'm
speaking mildly. Don't make excuses for the coroner calling it
natural causes. The coroner did not do his job, and
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that has fed in to call my Lori Valo's theory
that this was all a setup. That's on the corner.
I don't care if he was new, I don't care.
There's no excuse, and it has caused a lot of problems.
You know about the Ellen Greenberg case, right, the corner
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change is really from homicide to suicide. See how many
problems that's caused. And it's still going on now fourteen
years later because of a bad cod cause of death ruling.
So you know, I don't have any tolerance for screwing
up your job and causing a lot of pain and
a heartache for years to come and we're still hearing
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about it right now. That screw up by the coroner
that said Tammy day Bell was as healthy as a horse.
She just ran in a marathon for Pete's sake. And
there's so many things that alluded to her death, like
Chad Dave Bell being clairvoyant and having a vision that
Tammy was going to die a SBS. It's just like
oj Simpson and Scott Peterson being clairvoyant. No, they killed,
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they killed He killed Nicole Brown Simpson did, and Scott
Peterson murdered Lacy Peterson and said Dave Bell was not clairvoyant.
He murdered Timmy day Bell. He even sent her on
an hours and hours long trek to visit relatives and
friends for the last time because he knew he was
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going to kill her. Total BS, isn't it true? Nate
Eaton that while Tammy day Bell was still living before
her untimely asphyxiation death. That Calman Laurie Valle went online
and ordered her calt mom's wedding dress, Chad day Bell's
groom outfit, and even got a ring online to Mary
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Chad day Bell in Hawaii before Tammy was murdered, and
then shortly thereafter, lo and behold Tammy's dead, right, So
she's clairvoyant too, and you're all clairvoyant.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
She ordered it on her dead husband's Amazon account, Charles
Valow's Amazon account, and had it shifted to Idaho, where
Laurie was living. Don't forget, Nancy, that ten days before
Tammy died, she returned home from an evening out with
some ladies, got out of the car and there was
a gunman in her driveway, pointed pointing a large semi
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automatic rifle at her. Tammy at the time thought it
was a paintball gun because the person was firing and
it was giving a whosh noise and nothing came out.
Tammy screamed, the gunman run away, ran away, and then
they ended up calling nine one one. And at the
time this was a very rural Idaho Nancy, I mean,
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this is the middle of nowhere. Stuff like this does
not happen. We learned during the trial that alex Cox
or his phone at least was stationed at a place
near tammy Day Bell's home, and that he had been
by ammunition and been to a firing range and had
all these weapons in his garage. And tammy Day Bell
did not park in the place she normally parked. She
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parked in the other driveway, and so it's likely he
had to run across the lawn as he was running
that gun. There's pins inside that gun that got jostled,
and thus it didn't cause it to fire. Had she
parked where she normally parked, she could have been shot
to death in her driveway, with whether the gunman being
you know, just feet away from her. But it didn't happen.
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So when that didn't happen, Chad Day Bell, alex coxlri
Valo had to come up with another plan to get
rid of tammy Day Bell. And ten days later, as
you mentioned, she was healthy, she'd been to zumba classes,
she had been moving heavy boxes of books around the school,
she was a librarian. Everything was fine, everything was fine,
and then she dies in her sleep.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Here is a portion of Nate eton Easodaho News dot
COM's interview the exclusive interview with coltmom Laurie Valo, where
she tries to defend the prophet Chad Davel blaming her
for the murders at trial.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Listen, So you think Chad they had to come up
with a defense just to have one in court. You
don't think he really believed or blamed all of this.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
On you and Alex absolutely, And I know that for
a fact because John Pryor came and told me that
prior to trial.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
He did.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
He said, this is going to be our defense.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
He said, I'm going to blame you, and Chad doesn't
want me to and I want you he wants you
to know that. And this is the kind of stuff
that goes on behind the scenes that nobody sees.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
That nobody knows what's going on.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
There's so much stuff going on that you wouldn't even
believe all the things that go on.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
So is that supposed to be a good thing for
Chad Dabel? Does that make him a better person? Because he,
according to coltmom, lied in court and blamed her while
secretly he didn't want to because it wasn't true. Whatever
happened to the truth. So does that somehow mollify her
that her husband lied and blamed her in court but
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didn't want.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
To Well, that's I guess, So I guess that brings
her comfort. This is the woman that was so upset
that things were not going her way that she became
her own attorney in Arizona for two trials, her fourth
husband and the attempted murder of her nephew former nephew.
And we saw how that turned out. The jury came
back on both of those cases in less than an hour,
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having a verdict. So you know, she lives in her
own little world, Nancy. She does her own thing, and
she's convinced herself that is the truth, or at least
that's what she is saying publicly, that her husband still
loves her, still stands by her. She became so upset
I'll never forget when her attorneys during closing arguments in
Idaho called Chad da Bell's books stupid to the jury.
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They said she got caught up in a guy who
wrote a bunch of stupid books. Laurie became so upset
she started to cry. She refused to talk to her attorney.
She said how dare you call my husband's books stupid?
Wouldn't even look at the attorney. And when they finally
threw a little bit of shade at Chad, they finally
went after him, just a tiny bit. She was not
happy with that. Yet in Chad's trial they threw her
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and Alex under the bus in what way didn't matter
because they were guilty on all accounts. They said that
Laurie got caught up or had that Chad got caught
up with Lourie, that she was the instigator in this,
that Alex did all the dirty work, and that Chad
just was living his life and you know, had an
affair with a woman and he didn't know these people
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were dying, and Tammy died naturally. Amy just you know,
may have had a heart issue, or may have may
have never been to the doctor, or I mean, all
sorts of defenses that at the end of the day
didn't matter because the jury came back with inverting.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace Nate Ayton, you do know
that asphyxiation, in my opinion, is one of the easiest
CODs to prove, the easiest. Uh you will have burst
PARTICII in the eyeballs, where the blood make it's cut
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off from here up and the vessels explode in the eyes.
You'll have sometimes bruising, bruising or reddening around the mouth.
There's very often marks on the throat. It's really easy
in most cases to determine if someone has been asphyxiated suffocated,
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and there's many modes of asphyxiation. It can be a
ligature or manual strangulation. It could be suffocation by a pillow.
For instance. I had one case where a woman had
a one of those transparent laundry bags that they put
over your clothes at the dry cleaner put over her
head and she was asphyxiated that way. How do I
know that? Because tiny particles of the plastic bag were
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still up in her nose and on her mouth where
she tried to breathe through it. So you can be
asphyxiated in many ways, but the telltale signs are always there.
So there's really no question in my mind about how
Tammy Dabel was murdered. Speaking of his as the lawyer said,
stupid books, they're all freaky. One foot in the grave
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martial law. Doug's dilemma escaped to Zion, the Keys of
the Kingdom, reclaiming liberty, the renewed Earth. What happened to
the earth was it destroyed, evading Babylon, The Rise of Zion,
Days of Fury, the Great Gathering. I guess that's the
one hundred and forty four thousand, the exclusive ones that
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get to go to Heaven. You know, that's a completely
different story that I heard in the New Testament. Of course, again,
I'm no biblical scholar, but I got hope for the
New Testament that even losers like me and Paul aka
Saul and all of the disciples who were just basically
day laborers, if they're going to get to go, why
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do you have to be one of the one hundred
and forty four thousand elite. I mean, I don't get it.
But his books are way out there.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Yeah, he wasn't the best selling our author, Nancy. They
said in court that at most he was making maybe
thirty thousand dollars a year from selling these books. I asked, Laurie,
how did you go to Hawaii and stay in this
million dollar condo These million dollar condo complex is very
(30:04):
beautiful gated community. Who paid for that? And she said
Chad dave Bell paid for it. I said, Chad Dabell
made thirty thousand dollars a year and the only way
that he could pay for it was Tammy day Bell's
life insurance money. And the day after Tammy died on
a Saturday, the Monday first thing, he's at the school
district asking how to cash out on his wife's life
insurance policy. They conveniently, they had upped to the maximum
(30:27):
amount a month earlier, and he was able to get
the four hundred thousand dollars from her life insurance policy.
So it doesn't make sense. Laurie dave Bell claims that
she and Tammy were friends and that Chad's okay with it,
that Tammy comes and visits her in jail and that
you know, all is.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Well, Tammy, I mean Tammy visits her in jail dead.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Tammy, Yeah, comes in Caesar, that JJ and Tyley visit
her daily, that they're healthy and fine, and that you know,
they're okay with what she's done and they have no
issue with her. That it's just us on the outside
that don't really see she's done.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
So they say that she did.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
I guess what she says that she didn't do anything,
but what's happened with her, the fact that she's in
jail and all of that. She says that they're fine
with it, that they love her.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Now Here is called Montmory Valo talking about a million
dollar expert witness.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
We got this expert. We paid them a million dollars
to say the opposite of whatever.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Your expert's going to say.
Speaker 5 (31:22):
Like, what do you mean they paid them? The state
paid an expert a million dollars retainer to say whatever,
the opposite of what our state in Idaho was what
our witness is going to say. And the attorneys told
me this, and I'm like, are you kidding?
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Like you didn't have any witnesses?
Speaker 4 (31:41):
We did, Yeah, in the build up we did.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Again, Nancy, there's another thing that doesn't.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Build sense, But that million dollar witness didn't come to trial.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
No, no, no, no, no, And there was no there
was never a million dollar witness on a retainer that
the prosecution had some mental health experts who know about
religious delusions on standby in case Laurie used that as
a defense, but it wasn't going to be a million dollars.
And this was in response to a question I asked
(32:11):
is to why didn't you put on a defense. She
said that if she would have, the state had set
this all up, that there was this narrative and that
they would have, you know, paid people to testify against her. Again,
it doesn't make sense, and so I said, well, you
didn't call any witnesses at any of your trials. We
never heard from one witness. She never took the stand.
Laurie never did, even when she was representing herself. And
(32:33):
I think it's because Laurie likes to be in control.
Laurie does not want to see control to anybody. And
even in this interview, Nancy repeatedly she tried to talk
over me. She dodged the question. You can see when
she walked in, she shook my hand with both hands,
you know, a power handshake, and then she sat down
and I wished her happy birthday and immediately moved to Chad,
(32:55):
and she pivoted back to, yeah, it is my birthday.
How well do you think I am? The ladies in
here think I'm twenty five, but I'm really you know,
she tries to control everything. Had she taken the stand,
she would not have been in control. When the prosecution
asked her questions, so she never did. So this is
a way for her to kind of share her version
of events. And I don't know if we're going to
get there, Nancy, but she says she's every day she
(33:17):
sits in her cell writing books of scripture that will
one day be public and we will all read them
as scripture. I'll send you a copy.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Okay, Actually I would love to read. What she says
is the truth. Of course it all belies. And speaking
of a scapegoat, she has blamed her own daughter Tilely
for Tilie's death and JJ's death. She blames natural causes
and a conspiracy cover up for Tammy Dabell's murder. But
(33:48):
now she's blaming not only the judicial system but the media.
And I guess that's you, Nate.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Listen, you said that this has all been a family tragedy. Yes,
and it has been a huge tragedy. Absolutely, four jurys
have said you and Chad and Alex caused the tragedy.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Yeah, that's the judicial system.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
But how do you argue with that if all of
this evidence came out that showed you know that, you check.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
The only evidence that ever came out is the evidence
state wanted to put forth. They manipulate the evidence to
make it look however they want.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
And guess who helps them. The media helped.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
How do you feel knowing it's all your fault. I
guess it's your fault. She was convicted in your fault
that at least three people, excuse me, four people are
dead well shell.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
After she was arrested in Hawaii, I know on good authority,
she they transferred her back to Idaho on a plane.
She was on the very back road of the plane.
She was handcuffed. They had her in normal clothes so
that she wouldn't stick out. She was surrounded by officers
who were in normal clothes. Looked like an average person.
But people were quickly spread on the plane that Lori
(34:57):
Valoda Bell was on that flight. Remember her kids were
still missing. We didn't know anything that we know now,
just that her kids were missing and she wasn't talking.
People started to walk toward the back of the plane
with their phones and kind of take photos of her,
and Laurie said to one of the officers, all of
this is because of Nate Eaton, because of that moment
in Hawaii when I shoved that microphone in her face.
(35:18):
This has been a narrative. She talks about narratives. This
has been her narrative that she has said that it's
the media's fault. Yet yet she has communicated with me
for five years, was willing to sit down to do
a Jelhouse interview. So it's like she says she hates
the media, Nancy, but every time she sees a camera
she has hair and makeup on and turns and smiles
(35:40):
and seems to enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Speaking of the narrative, here's her as you call it narrative.
I call it a lie about what happened to Tylie
and JJ.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
What's false about oh my gosh everything?
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Your children were found dead in Chad's backyard. That's not wrong.
That's Higley was chopped up and burned. That's not wrong.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
No, that's all mixed up.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
That was nice. I saw photos of JJ wrapped in
plastic and duct tape. That wasn't wrong.
Speaker 5 (36:08):
Okay, I understand what you're saying of those facts. Those
facts in and of themselves are wrapped around a whole
lot of untruth.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Okay. That sounds like Bayes because she never does say
what is quote wrong with those facts? But there's more
about the narrative.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Listen, So, if Tyler killed JJ and then felt bad
and committed suicide, how did she die first? She didn't,
She shouldn't.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
That's part of their whole fake narrative. That's part that's
part of everything that they were doing. So I don't
really want to get into all of those details with you,
because you obviously are very set in your mind.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
I'm not here to change people's minds. I want you to.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Change my mind. I'd love to hear any evidence or
facts you have that might make me think, you know what.
They haven't wrong. But they haven't wrong. But I haven't
heard anything otherwise.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
That's because you've been pushing this narrative for five and
a half years. You're not telling me that your mind
is not set on what it is already.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
That is a story that is old. Is time. When
you confront someone with their lies, they can't answer. That's
why people don't take the stand. Did you see her
becoming combative and defensive if there was an innocent explanation.
(37:24):
There's no innocent explanation. But if there was an explanation
that exonerated her and or debil she would say, look,
this is what happened. Right, but she can't because what
happened is they murdered two children, they murdered a woman
in her sleep, and they shot down an unarmed man.
(37:46):
And I am not convinced that Joseph Ryan died of
natural causes. His body was already decomposing when he was
found dead, and then he was immediately cremated at her insistence.
I'm not convinced Ryan died of a natural death, but
that's another can of worms. Describe what you were thinking
(38:08):
when she was refusing to give an answer.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Well, I wasn't to be honest, expecting her to be
honest with me. It would have been shocking if she said,
you're right, you know, this is what happened, or even
as you said, give some sort of sentence idea that
might plausibly make sense, but it doesn't make sense. It
doesn't make any sense, and she, you know, has convinced
(38:37):
herself that it's not making sense, and that she is
the one that knows better than everybody. What's interesting, Nancy is,
during this interview, we told her we would air it unedited,
we weren't going to take any breaks, and it was
forty minutes. She wanted two hours. She wanted one hour
on one day and one hour the next. That jail said,
you get forty minutes. She said, well, we'll try to
(38:58):
get it all in. She had a lit dividems she
wanted to talk about. So we're about fifteen minutes into
the interview and her paralegal arrived late, and so we
did need to pause while the paralegal came in the
room and got situated, but we kept our cameras rolling
and we were in the middle of a heated exchange
when I said, do we need to pause for a moment,
(39:18):
And the paralegal came in and Laurie instantly dropped her
guard and asked if I had a good time in
Hawaii when I saw her, And I said, why did
we didn't even go on the beach? She goes, why,
I said, we were too busy chasing you. She goes,
I went to the beach, you chased me on the beach.
It was as if she didn't care, and she saw
this more as a show. And then once her paralegal
(39:41):
was situated and ready, the conversation went from here to
here again. She jumped right back into that you know,
heated moment. So I don't know if it's acting. I
don't know, if it's her putting on a show. I
don't know if it's really her her convictions deep down,
but you know she she's She's one that I won't forget.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Obviously, now we hear called mom Laurie Valo comparing herself
to biblical heroes.
Speaker 5 (40:10):
Listen, So in twenty seventeen, I was told by the
Lord that I was going to become like Job and
lose everything. Will I do this job if I lose everything?
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Really? Okay, correct me if I'm wrong. But in the end,
didn't Job get everything and more given to him by
the Lord? Isn't that the way that turned out?
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Yeah? Well, I think what That's what Laurie thinks might
be happening, or at least that's what she says will happen.
This is another thing that this happened in twenty seventeen,
she says. Her family, members, her friends, none of them
are call her ever telling anybody this that this was
going to happen. She told me during the interview that
she died during childbirth. She her family and friends say,
(41:01):
we've never heard that story where you would think if
someone died delivering a baby Nancy, people would know about
it and then came back to life, you and everybody
would know it was a very traumatic childbirth, you know,
near fatal. She never told anybody about this, but now
she's starting to tell these stories that she says happened
to her, and their news to many people and more.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
Well, listen, and nobody was asking me what's happening. Nobody asked.
I tried top Well, would you have listened? Then you
have to absolutely, I wish you. You need to be
on the boat, Nate. Are you on the boat yet?
Speaker 5 (41:33):
Because when you're on the boat, Nate, I am going
to be happy to share all this stuff with you
because miracles are on the way. I want to miracles are.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
On the way, and when you're on the boat.
Speaker 5 (41:41):
That's why I sent you that that last message. Well,
I sent you the last message saying when you're on
the boat, you'll be ready night.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Are you on the boat?
Speaker 4 (41:49):
What?
Speaker 2 (41:49):
But this is the Noah's arcs well comparable to Noah's Ark.
Nancy again she thinks that that movie Evan Almighty, the
reporter who becomes Noah, that I'm somehow that guy, and
that I need to get on the boat. The arc
because the world's going to end. And once I'm on
the boat, Laurie can teach me of her ways. Once
(42:13):
we shared this interview, I had many people who wrote
me and said, Nate, do not get on that boat.
Do not go anywhere near that boat. So Nancy, if
you see me building an arc, please come and save me.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Please don't get on the boat. Do not get on
the boat. You know how to swim right, swim first. Okay,
there's more, And this is a really interesting moment in
your interview with Colt. Mom, Laurie Valo. Listen, you say,
Jesus is your friend.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Does he support cheating on your spouse?
Speaker 4 (42:46):
We weren't cheating.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Does he support killing your husband?
Speaker 4 (42:49):
I didn't kill anybody ever.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Killing your kids.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
I didn't kill anybody killing your boyfriend's wife.
Speaker 5 (42:55):
Okay, was I in Hawaii when Tammy died? How did
I kill her? Are you going to explain that to
the world now?
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Man, If she's crazy, she's crazy like a fuck. She
knows those facts backwards and forwards and can whip them
out in her defense. But you did get her very
discombobulated when you accused her of cheating. And how would
christ feel about that. I'm not going to even bring
up the woman at the well to you right now,
(43:24):
but that said that really put a stick up her
rear end.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Yeah, she says we weren't cheating. In fact, she says
that she was with Tammy and Chad a few times together,
all three of them. Yet close friends have told me
that Tammy and Laurie never met. So again, we have
a false comparison here. But Laurie said she didn't kill anyone,
didn't cheat. I mean, you could list the ten commandments, Nancy,
(43:51):
and I think Laurie's broken most of them. If she's
true to her faith. You go down that list, and
most of them have been broken by her. And I'm
not one to judge, like you said, you're not judging.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
But she she oh, I'm totally judging. I don't have
a leg to stand on, of course, but I am
totally She killed them. I know she killed them, the children.
She had a hand in that, and a hand in
the murder of Tammy Daybell, and a hand in the
matter of Valo, her husband, Charles Valo. Yeah, I'm calling
it right.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
And it came out during trial Nancy that Laurie would
tell her friends she would. She would take her hand
if something were to happen, and she'd say, doesn't count
for me, doesn't apply to me having an affair. Why
don't you just divorce Charles and Mary Chad? Nope, doesn't
count for me, as if she had already been exalted.
She was living this higher law, this bigger purpose, and
(44:44):
so that's how everything could be justified it. Oh, doesn't
doesn't doesn't count for her. It counts for all of us,
but not for her.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
Okay, night, Ayton, could you explain something. What does this mean?
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Yeah, yeah, that's just something she would do. She would
she would tap, tap her hand or tap her counter
and say, doesn't count for me. She that was just
one thing she'd do, just tap twice. I don't know
what it means. But there were her friends who testified
that she would slap her hand and say it doesn't
count for me.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
And there's more about her cult, Mam Laurie Valle, using
her children's money after they're dead.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
Using your kid's money while they're dead.
Speaker 4 (45:19):
Okay, all that is messed up to.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
How did you run that unit in Hawaii?
Speaker 4 (45:25):
That's what Chad rented it.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
I didn't have any money until Tommy died.
Speaker 5 (45:31):
Chad rented it with his own money. Chad was an
author and a publisher and had his own company.
Speaker 4 (45:37):
So that's what I'm saying. Year, No, but you're getting
up facts that you don't. You're giving up whatever the
state put up.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
What is she saying? Did you see her look away
when you confronted her.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
She was looking at her investigator who was sitting right here,
the defense investigator, who she repeatedly looked at. Now, he
was not prompting her. I think she just does that
as a kind of a secure already banger for reassurance.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
But night, Chad day night. People do that when they're
lying or when they're trying to think out what to say.
Like I'm looking at you right now. If you asked
me a question and I don't like the truth, I
go and I have to think up an answer. That's
what she's doing. She's looking away from the question.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
Yeah, yeah, it's true. And that was a question that
she couldn't answer because Chad didn't have money. You know
who supported that family, Tammy as a school librarian, making
twelve dollars an hour. I don't remember the exact amount,
but it was not a lot of money part time,
and Chad's writing these books that nobody's buying. Suddenly Charles
(46:39):
Valo is shot and they think they're getting a million dollars.
They didn't. But then Tammy Dabel dies and they've got
half a million dollars almost coming into them. And then
they're getting money from Tyley and from JJ's death. She
continued to collect on those things, on those moneies long
after her kids had died, so money became a big
part of this trial. She says that the state eight
(47:00):
presented evidence, crafted a narrative, and that only their version
of events went out. When I asked why didn't you
present a defense? Why didn't you present evidence? She couldn't answer.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Now you asked her about Chad Dave Bail as a
prophet and their predictions of the end of time.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
Listen, when you were on trial in Idaho, didn't you
say that Jesus was going to be back before the
end of that trial?
Speaker 4 (47:26):
Okay? Who said I said that?
Speaker 2 (47:28):
I'm asking you. Did you say, absolutely not?
Speaker 4 (47:30):
I have never, Chad has never.
Speaker 5 (47:32):
We've never given a date or a time the prophet
July twentieth. Somebody made that up and put it on there.
I have never said it. Chad has never said it.
We've never had a date.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
Yeah, somebody made it up, all right, her and day Bail.
They made it up. Okay, there's more. Listen.
Speaker 5 (47:49):
There's always a Judas. And I almost used to think
of you.
Speaker 4 (47:53):
As the Judas me.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
Was I in the dark list?
Speaker 1 (47:55):
No?
Speaker 5 (47:55):
But this is what I'm saying, there's a Judas. People
think that Judas is a villain. Judas is not a villain.
You know what Judas was.
Speaker 4 (48:04):
Judas was a vessel. Judas was a.
Speaker 5 (48:07):
Vessel for God's plan to come to fluition. And he
told me the other day, it's coming to full fluition God.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
Yes, Okay, Judas is the villain. Okay, if he's forgiven,
that's not my doing. But that said, how does it
feel to be called Judas? Of all things Judas?
Speaker 2 (48:29):
What was interesting is right after that, I said, was
I on the dark list? And she quickly said no
to me, she acknowledged there was a list of dark
and light, which she had previously denied her in chat
had that list of whose light and who's dark? And
if you were on the dark list, toward the bottom
you became a zombie. And the way to get rid
of zombies is to kill them. The only people that
we know of who were zombies happened to be related
(48:51):
to Chad and Laurie and needed to be disposed of
because they thought that there was a financial reason. But
you know, she's Joe, I'm Judas.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
All the zombies just happened to have life insurance policies.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
Right right, yeah, you know she I asked her when
we wrapped up, do you have any regrets about all
of this? And she paused and said, that's a good question.
And in my mind I was wondering, was she Was
she wondering in her mind I regret that we didn't
hide it better, that we didn't do this or this?
Or was she wondering I regret that this all happened period.
(49:27):
I hate to say it, but I think it was
the first way. If she could redo it again, they
would have been more careful with their cell phone evidence.
They would have you know, took taken off the cloud,
turned off their iCloud, things like that. I think those
are the regrets she has, rather than the fact that
these beautiful people were.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Killed and more dragging God into it.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Why did I tell all this to the police, So
why didn't you tell them all this when you arrested,
Explain this to them. You know, God's told me to
do this. Give your defense.
Speaker 4 (49:58):
Really, what happened to people and they say God tell
them to do something, they lock them up. Well I'm
locked up.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
Well night Eton the exclusive interview with Caltmam Laurie Valo
from behind Mars. When you walked out of that room,
what were your thoughts?
Speaker 2 (50:15):
It was mentally exhausting. I'll tell you that I had
to wrap up. They gave me a wrap up, They
said we need to finish, so I wasn't. I had
fifteen note cards there that I didn't get through at all.
But then again, Nancy, I wonder if she really if
I would have gotten much more from her that what
you've played today is kind of how all of the
conversation went. It was exhausting, it was interesting. It was
(50:38):
one that I don't forget. I will say I haven't
heard from Lurie since the interview, so maybe she wasn't
happy with how it turned out. Maybe her tablet broke.
I don't know, but we'll see if she contacts me
in the future.
Speaker 1 (50:49):
Well, are you sorry? Do you want to hear from her?
Speaker 2 (50:52):
I don't know. I don't know if i'd interview her again.
I think if I were to interview her again, I
would talk with the Victimsry Woodcock, the victims of Tammy
Day Bell, their family members. I would ask them what
questions they want me to ask her, because she's never
communicated with them, they haven't had a chance to talk
to her, and I would go to the jail with
(51:13):
those questions. I would say, Kay Woodcock wants to know
why you didn't just give JJ to her. Had they
given JJ to Kay and Larry, we might not have
known about any of this. Tammy Day Bell would have
been buried, it would have been natural causes. Charles Valo
would have been shot. Then Alex Cox died the shooter.
That case likely would have been closed. Tyler could have
(51:34):
been reported as a runaway as an adult and they
maybe never would have found her, and Chad and Laurie
could have gone and lived their lives. Now how long
until they run out of money? And who becomes the
next victim? That would have been the question.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
Last question, Natyen, did you detect any remorse at all
from Coltman Laurie Vale?
Speaker 2 (51:55):
No, Nope, Nope, Maybe maybe remorse that she got caught,
maybe a little bit of remorse that she's in jail
in this in Maricopa County in Arizona. She looks forward
to coming back to Idaho to serving her prison sentence.
She'll be sentenced later in July. She's preparing her statement
that she plans to read and if it's anything like
(52:17):
the ones she gave in Idaho, it will be Jesus
is my friend, Jesus loves me, things like that, and
then they'll transfer her back to Idaho, where, according to her,
she'll be exonerated soon. But according to the rest of us,
she'll die. She'll die behind bars in prison.
Speaker 1 (52:32):
We wait as justice unfold. Nate Dan, thank you so
much for not just today, but for everything you did
to help uncover the truth about what happened to JJ
and Tyley and Tammy and Charles Valow. Thank you, and
(52:53):
good night, friend,
Host
Nancy Grace
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