July 20, 2021 • 39 mins
The Chandler, Arizona, Police Department has released some 2,500 documents from their investigation into “cult mom” Lori Vallow after the disappearance of two of her children, 7-year-old Joshua “JJ” Vallow and 16-year-old Tylee Ryan. Among the documents is a photo of young JJ, dated September 22, 2019. It’s unknown if it’s the last photo taken of the boy, but it was taken on the last day he was seen before investigators found his body and that of his sister buried in Chad Daybell’s backyard on June 9, 2020. Lori Vallow and Daybell have been charged with two counts of murder and three counts of conspiracy to commit murder in the deaths of the children and Daybell’s then-wife, Tammy Daybell, who died suddenly in October 2019. Daybell has been charged with Tammy Daybell’s murder.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. We all saw the headlines.
In fact, we watched the case before it became a headline.
But now even more gruesome details are emerging in the
case of cult mom Laurie Valo and her fifth husband,
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cult leader Chad Day Bell as the two of them
the puppet masters, manipulating everyone around them, their scenario, their activities,
their manipulations now being laid bare in a treasure trove
of evidence just released by police. Remember everybody kept saying,
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you guys are calling in and writing in, texting, emailing,
saying why isn't there and arrest? What's happening? There's JJ?
Where's Tyley? Well, now we know crime stories with Nancy
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Grace of emails and texts, documents from Cultmam Laurie Valoe
to everyone around her, weaving a web like a spider
that ultimately included JJ, her seven year old Tilely, her
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teen girl, husband four Charles Valo, Dave Belle's wife Tammy,
Dave Bell, and I believe others. Now, you don't have
to be a legal eagle to know that three or
four thousand documents of emails and texts important. Wait, will
(01:58):
you hear this? Take a listen. Newly released evidence by
Chandler Police comes after the indictment of Laurie Valo in
Maricopa County. The investigation into Laurie and are two missing kids,
JJ Valo and Tylie Ryan spanned multiple states and involved
the FBI. This photo, recovered from Laurie's e cloud account,
could be the last known picture taken of seven year
old JJ, dated on the morning of September twenty second,
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twenty nineteen. A day later, two more photos from Laurie's
eCloud show ammunition in an Idaho gun store. Why is
that one photo of a little JJ so important because
that's how he was found. Marry, Let's go to our
cut forty nine. The emmy grabbed a small sharp instrument
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and cut down the middle of the black plastic And
what did you observe? I observed a small child in
red pajamas, red pajama shirt, red pajama pants, black socks
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that had the words sketchers in orange across the toes.
Also observed a light and blue blanket that had been
placed on top of them. Okay, detective, were there when
you observed what you purceived to be a child? Where
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there was there anything that drew your attention? Yes, can
I describe one of who described for the court what
drew your attention the amount of duct tape that was
covering the body. You were hearing Detective Rayhrma CEO speaking
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in court about the autopsy about when the people at
the scene cut open a bag and they find a
little boy in the bag, still wearing red pajamas and
black socks. Now, why is this information, this one photo
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so critical, Jackie? If you would play cut fifty one
more time here hearing Justin Lum from Fox ten Phoenix.
Newly released evidence by Chandler Police comes after the indictment
of Laurie Vallo in Maricopa County. The investigation into Laurie
and are two missing kids, JJ Valo and Tylie Ryan
spanned multiple states and involved the FBI. This photo, recovered
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from Laurie's eCloud account, could be the last known picture
taken of seven year old JJ, dated on the morning
of September twenty second, twenty nineteen. A day later, two
more photos from Laurie's eCloud show ammunition in an Idaho
gun store. I'm gonna circle back to that, Amma, but
first let me introduce to you an all star panel
with me. Ashley Willcott, judge Trial Law, your anchor Court
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TV at Ashley Wilcot dot com. Doctor Sherry Schwartz, forensics psychologist.
You can find her at panther Mitigation dot com. Author
of Where Law and Psychology Intersect Criminal Behavior. Joseph Scott Morgan,
Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, death investigator and author of
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Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. He's a star of
the Piketon massacre on iHeartRadio. Dan Schilling a personal safety expert,
former Lieutenant Colonel US Air Force, thirty year Special Ops veteran,
and author of the Power of Awareness. And I find
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that really interesting in this case because Charles Valle, God
bless him, was so wrapped up and his love for JJ,
his little boy. He kept trying and trying and trying
to get to JJ, and he ended up dead, aware
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but not aware of what was swirling around him. And
right now to the news director of East Idaho News
dot Com, Nate Eton. Nate, you are the one that
first reported on this treasure trove of evidence. I want
you to explain to me the critical significance of that
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one photo found and Laurie Vallo's iCloud. Well, here's JJ
Valo in the red pjs, sitting on the couch. It
looks like he's playing with a cup. This was taken
hours before police say he was killed, and his body
was later found wrapped in that plastic bag and duct
tape at Chad day Belle's property, wearing those same red pajamas,
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with his mother taking this photo. It was off with
Laurie's phone, taking the photo hours before he died. Okay,
let me ask you if lightning around number one, you
believe cult mom Laurie Vala took the photo. Why, Well
that it's unknown who actually took the photo, but a
lot of these photos were taken off of Laurie's phone.
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According to the police documents, this is twenty five hundred
pages of stuff taken from the cloud, photos and emails
and text messages, communication happening. Nate Eton, what's in the
background of the picture. You said he's sitting on a sofa.
Where he's sitting on a sofa? We don't know exactly where,
but it's likely that it was Laurie's townhouse. Well, I
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can tell you right now. To you, Jessica Morgan, that's
going to be matched up to her townhouse. That kind
of forensic evidence you handed over to the FBI of
the state crime lab. They'll tell you where it is.
They can match the paint in the background. I'll tell
you how I know this. I was working on a
case where there was a photo of a little girl
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and girl was molested, molested, molested. Turns out the cops
could identify the hotel by the bedspread. You know in
every hotel they have the same pictures on the wall,
the same bedspreads, the same paint, the same everything. They
could figure out based on that photo, where, what city,
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and even the date. And that's critical here because when
this goes to trial, you're gonna want to tell the
jury we believe this photo was taken on this date.
You can tell on in the iCloud at what time
and where and by whom because it's her phone. Explain
Joe Scott. Yeah, you're talking about connectivity with this, Nancy. Remember,
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you can't take the jury about this visa. Be the
documentation that you do at when you go back to
the scene, back to that location, take the photos. If
you take a real close look, Nancy, at this photograph,
you can see a countertop there, and it looks like
it's some kind of like fax stone. Looking at it
right now we're talking is JJ and these cute little
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red pajamas with looks like Hucchi trains or trucks or
something on them, and I think it says sleep Sleepy Hero,
Sleepy Hero. And he's got a cup. He looks like
he's making something. He's got a plastic cup over his
hand upside down. It looks like he's pulling something up
through it like a string. Maybe, now let's talk about
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what you're talking about. I mean, there's enough of that
sofa I would be able to identify that sofa, maybe
even the make, model brand, the whole shebay. But back
to what you're saying in the background is a dead giveaway, Yeah,
it is, because that countertop is very specific. And if
this is a townhouse that was built by the same company,
you might have multiple of these and each one of
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the adjoining condos or townhouses or whatever, and there will
be specific identifiers that you can tie back to this.
You can say pretty definitively that this is her place.
You got to throw pillow here. There's any number of
things and Nancy one thing that's very haunting about this
that has kind of haunted me throughout this case. Remember
what they said early on about JJ acting out of
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control climbing on countertops. Do you remember that? Yeah, and
that's not what he's doing at all. No, it's not.
But if that's the same area, boy, what a marker?
And Tom and just FYI, Nate eaton that looks like
a Look at that? Doesn't that look like a rooms
to go? You know how they had the sofa and
they had the throw pillars all set out for you.
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Look at that. I mean even I with an untrained
eye can figure out whose place this is, what kind
of sofa it is? Time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys
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were talking about about three thousand photos and doc it's
just released. I've caught mom Laurie Vallo's phone, her computer
and a lot more, and how it's going to be
used at trial when her multiple murder charges go to trial,
and her hubby number five of the cult leader, Chad
day Bell, as well as she Wilcot. The significance also
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other than placing him definitely in her apartment that proximity
to her, she's taking this photo he's got on pj's
that tells me what time. The iCloud will probably tell
me what time the photo was taken. But you just
heard Nate Eaton say this was just before he's gone missing.
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That's right, Nancy, talk about opportunity, right, and the timeline.
And let me just tell you this, so I really,
as you do, look at the facts in the law
and here's the reality of the facts in this case.
A law enforcement has done an incredible amount of work,
and because it's an ongoing investigation, we don't know all
the details. Now that they've released these photos, we know
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for a fact that they have evidence. The facts surrounding
this case are deep, and it shows she's a liar,
liar pants on fire. I'm relieved to see this information
because this is what's going to catch her. This is
what's going to prove the case against her, because not
only like you said, does it show where her children are,
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but on the day that this child goes missing in
her care, right, remember, she tells all these stories. This
released information shows that she tells the nanny, oh, we've
left the children with grandparents, and the reality is the
grandparents like we haven't. I don't know where they are.
Just see, You're absolutely right. That's another point. I'm going
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to circle back to you, Nate, because she's telling everybody
that JJ has gone to his grandparents. Well there he is,
based on this photo in her apartment. Take a listen
to cut forty one. This is Fox thirteen News reporter
Lauren Steinbrecker. When the nanny messaged Laurie again the day
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after JJ was last seen on September twenty fourth, she
responded to me that JJ was with his grandparents for
a month and that she was in Hawaii. She said
in about a month when they come back, that I
could work again. Well, once that month passed, I texted
her again around Halloween time asking if I could work.
There was no response. Oh Rexburg police have said they
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confirmed Tiley never attended BYU Idaho, which was what they
say Laurie was claiming to other people. A search weren't
revealed that Laurie left behind JJ's medication in that Rexburg
town home with pills still in the bottle. They said
that medication has not been filled in Idaho. Mac do you?
Nate eight News director East Idaho News dot Com. Nate
(13:54):
also in that showser trove of evidence what proves JJ's
last word about what in this three thousand documents shows
Tayley's last location. It's all there, if someone will take
the time in the effort to comb through it like
we've been trying to do. I want to circle back
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to the photos. Two photos and calt Mom Laurie vallis
iCloud of ammunition in an Idaho gun store. What can
we glean from that? What does it prove? Well, this
photo was taken on the day that right after the
day after the right after the day that JJ police
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say he was dead but also died. If you remember,
on October ninth, twenty nineteen, Tammy Dayball got home, got
out of the car, and that somebody tried to shoot
her with a paintball gun. She was scared, she said,
what are you doing? The person ran away. Then ten
days later she dies in her sleep. Well, we now
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believe police now believed that person with Alex Cox, and
that it wasn't a paintball gun, that it could have
been actually a real gun, and maybe ammunition in this
photograph was in that gun and it misfired. Wow. Wow,
I was wondering what the significance of the photos were.
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And I want to circle back to you, Nate on
another thing regarding the photo of JJ, because the scenario
is that as Joe Scott Morgan was pointing out that
JJ had been crazy off the chart, climbing on cabinets,
had knocked over a photo of Christ that Colt Mom
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says she had in her kitchen, and he was out
of control. But then we learn that Alex Cox comes
in and suddenly JJ seems to be sedated, and Alex
Cox leaves with JJ. Tell me about how we that's
what happened. So Laurie's friend Melanie Gibb was at the house.
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She was visiting Rexburg, Idaho for the weekend. She said
that they were getting ready to report record a podcast
and that Alex comes in and JJ was kind of
draped over his shoulder like you put a toddler to
sleep or something. Melanie and her boyfriend David saw Alex
leave the townhouse with JJ asleep, and that was the
last time that she saw JJ. And the next morning,
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before she left town, Laurie was telling Melanie, JJ's a zombie.
He's out of control. You know, we don't know what's
happening with him, and these days are crucial. These are
absolutely crucial. On the twenty second, you have that photo
of JJ on the couch. On the twenty third, believed
to be the last photo. On the twenty third, there's
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the photos of the ammunition. Sometime in that time period,
police believe JJ's body was taken to Tad Dave Bell's
property and barry. On the twenty fourth, hours after her
boy her son has died, Laurie sends that message to
the nanny, saying, JJ's grandparents came this week. They needed
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to give me a break. That's one of the interesting
thing in all of these emails, Nancy, all of them
that Laurie sends seemed to sent her around her, around her.
I needed a break, so I no longer need your services.
I wish I had more work for you to do.
I understand if you need to get another job smiley emoji.
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The email that she spent two weeks previous to to
JJ's school in Arizona, she said, you know, due to
our change in circumstance, we need to suddenly moved to Idaho.
I have another job out of state, which police say
she did not. We need to withdraw JJ from school.
We need to move to Idaho. It's all all seems
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to be centered around her, her emotional well being, what's
happening in her life. Well, imagine what Jesus Scott Morgan
was saying about how Calm JJ looks sitting there on
the sofa in his pj's. I can tell you why
he's suddenly sedated. I'll tell you why. Take a listen
to our cut forty out of Fox thirteen. Then Nanny
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says Lorie messaged her through the websitecare dot com and
she came over to Laurie's town home on September eighteenth
to meet Jane j. She explained to me how they
recently moved here from Arizona. Then Nanny said her husband
had just died of a heart attack and how JJ
doesn't quite understand the situation. Laurie's brother, Alex Cox, shot
and killed Laurie's husband, Charles Vallow in July, before Laurie,
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her brother, and the kids moved to Idaho. Then Nanny
said Laurie also told her her daughter also lives in
Rexburg and is going to college. She said her daughter
doesn't like to babysit JJ without being paid, so she
wanted me to work for her occasionally. Her daughter would
come visit for dinner or to do laundry, but she
never said that she lived there with them. It appeared
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only Laurie and JJ lived there. The next day, September nineteenth,
the nanny says she came over to watch Jane Jay.
She mentioned how if she got home later, to give
JJ his medicine right before bed, because it makes him
tired fast. She joked about how she liked that because
some days when he was extra tough for her to handle,
she would give him his meds and have him go
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to bed early to give her upbreak crime stories with
Nancy Grace. Guys, we were talking about thousands of pieces
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of evidence that had just been made public and the
cult mom Lorie Valoc center, fifth hubby, cult leader Chad
day Bell, the two of them really racking up the
body count. Seven year old JJ, teen girl Tiley, the
wife of Chad day Bell who mysteriously dies in her sleep,
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and the two of them cult mom and Chad day
Bell Mary. About a week later, then you've got Charles Valo,
the husband that comes over to pick up JJ and
he's shot dead. I've always thought that there is a
link between her and the death of Joseph Ryan. I'm
afraid we'll never know the truth of that. But I
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want to circle back to doctor Sherry Schwartz, forensic psychologist
and author of Criminal Behavior, Where Law and Psychology meet.
You heard Nate Eaton at East Idaho News dot com
describing a photo of JJ Nspj's very calm sitting on
the sofa. This is just hours about I would say,
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maybe thirty six hours before he's dead. Maybe less. That
photo of AMMO, I believe is going to be linked
back to other deaths, other murders. Here's my question for you,
doctor Sherry. Why do people take pictures, incriminating pictures of
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their crimes, like you know bank robbers that did suddenly
post them laying in the money. Why? Nancy, The word
that comes to mind is pride. This is clearly a
woman who is comfortable with killing, with the deaths of
loved ones, including her own children. She clearly plans this
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because she's making up these stories ahead of time to
explain the disappearance of her kids. And then takes the
photo of the ammunition, which makes me think the photo
in the pj's and the photo of little JJ on
that ride all by himself it is an indication that
these are souvenirs. This is a way to pat herself humberful.
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I am, and we've seen that also with for instance,
serial killers that keep mementos of their crime victims. They
may keep underwear or a photo or a piece of jewelry,
and ye years and years when the case is finally
solved those mementos. Like you and I would keep ticket
stubs or our prom photos, they find mementos of the
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dead people, the victims. Guys, I want you to take
a listen to our cut fifty four more on his
treasure trove of evidence you're going to be hearing about
at trial linking cult mom Laurie Vallo and her husband
Chad day Bell to murdyrs. Take a listen to our
friends at CBS five. Chandler PD just released more than
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two thousand emails, along with photo evidence linked to the
investigation into Laurie Vallo. New details traced the timeline back
to before authorities told the public that Laurie's kids, JJ
Valo and Tylie Ryan were missing. Investigators recovered this photo
from Laurie's iCloud account, possibly the last picture taken of
seven year old JJ on the morning of September twenty second,
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twenty nineteen, the last day he was seen on the
twenty third. Two more photos of ammunition in Idaho gun
store detectives pulled from Marai Cloud. On October eighth, Lorie
flew from Idaho into Phoenix Masa Gateway, while investigators say
her brother Alex Cox tried to shoot Tammy Davil the
next day. Chad Davil's first wife would end up dead
a little more than a week later. Chandler Pde says
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Lourie flew back into Idaho immediately after the death. Within weeks,
she and Chad got married in Kawaii. Straight out to
Nate Eatnyasidaho News dot Com Nate, the ammunition photo may
also link that to the murder of Charles Valo. How
well it could have been the same ammunition that Alex
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Cox used when he said he thought Charles in self
defense even before all of this, Nancy, what we've learned
from these new documents is Charles was pleading with Maurie
to get involved in her son's life and his life.
His family says he was crazy, crazy in love with Marie,
and there's an email where he basically Laurie's banished, Laurie's disappeared.
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We know now that she was having an affair with Chad.
But in this email, Charles says, you have not had
contact with us for thirty eight days. Your son misses you.
Please be his mother, and he lays out everything Laurie
He's done, and he ends the email with I'm going
to take action and continue to take care of JJ
because I'm not getting any response from you. I have
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no other choice. You've taken away all his family here.
It makes us both really sad and I really hurt
for him. You're his mother. He misses you. Please agree
to see your son. So here's this father pleading with
JJ's mom get involved in his life. And then when
she suddenly does appear, we know now that she was
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planning with her brother Alex to kill Charles. And back
to the ammunition photo. Yeah, it's very possible that maybe
that's the same type of ABBO they used with Charles
and it worked. So they were sending the photo later
on in September saying maybe we should use this for
Tammy's death. I'm wondering about showing premeditation. I don't think
it's going to be hard to do in this case.
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But the sad reality is that husband number four, Charles Valo,
told police he felt that he was in danger and
that JJ was in danger. Take a listen to our
cut forty five. This is ABC's GMA Charles Valo, the
now deceased husband of Laurie Valo, speaking to Gilbert, Arizona
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police in January of last year's note here, she lost
her reality. We've done at a great marriage. All of
a sudden, the last my blog just blew up. In
this body camera video obtained by ABC News, Charles accuses
his wife of behaving erratically, withdrawing large amounts of money,
even threatening to kill him. I will kill you because
you're not Charles, and nobody will care. Okay, so she
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at this point doesn't think you are her husband's He
takes seven. Nick Schneider, I have no idea the name
she used. I don't know where it came from. Okay,
I'm just like I'm as bewildered as you are. Authorities
issued an order for Laurie to receive a mental health evaluation,
but according to a police report, when she visited officers
the next day, she was allowed to drive herself to
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the hospital with a friend, and the officers wrote. During
my conversation with Charles, I found his demeanor to be
strange for a person in his circumstances. He seemed more
concerned with asking questions about the legality of financial withdrawals
Laurie had made than her alleged incoherence. Well, I don't
know about that, because take a listen to our cup
forty three. This is the actually actual body kim footage
(26:37):
of cops as Charles value pleased to them about his
and his son's safety. What's going on tonight? I can't
get in touch with kids. How old are your kids?
Six and a half and sixteen? Okay? How long have
you been trying? Two days? Okay? But she she lost
her mind out of the house to say it, where lds.
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She thinks she's resurrected, being in a kind of a god.
And remember one hundred and forty four thousand. She's come
to Jesus is coming next year. She took all the
money out of her bank account. Today my truck had
gone from the report. She went the airport and got it.
I just flew in from Houston from Dallas, Houston, Dallas,
So truck I don't know because a friend of mine
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truck and picked me up. I went to the CSI
to follow report, which is good security bridges or something
bid a report. So you did you did? You did
the petitions? Yeah, they order to pick up Okay, what
time did you do do that? Okay? So what makes
her a danger to herself and to others? Threatened they
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murder me? Kill me? She threatened to murder you? Yes,
straight out to Dan Shilling, safety expert, former Lieutenant US
Air Force, thirty years special ops veteran and author of
the Power of Awareness, and you can find him at
Dan Shillings Books dot com. Dan Shilling, thank you for
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being with us here. You say, someone with the awareness
to tell cops she's threatened to kill me, but yet
he goes into the situation to try to get his son. Well, Nancy,
you know part of the problem for someone like Charles
in his position, he's very close to what's happening. He's
emotionally invested, as any father or husband or spouse would
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be when their spouse goes off the rails, but prevents
something more catastrophic from happening. Usually takes places onto periphery,
and I think in this tragic Stories case, it's the
sister in law and the grandmother who are listening to
their intuition. They're telling themselves something is wrong, and they
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reach out to the law enforcement authorities as well. But
what you really need to do in order to sort
of head these things off is listen to that intuition
and then ask those questions, you know, do we really
have a problem here. It's a deliberate question to ask
because it allows you to then say, okay, not how
do I manage this problem that's sort of incrementally getting worse,
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But we have a problem here, and then you can
take action and make plans to sort of engage others
to save these lives that were tragically lost. And that's
where people fall short is listening to their intuition. Listening
to intuition, everything went completely out of control. We've called
Mom Laurie Valoe crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we
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are talking about thousands of pages of documents and evidence, photos, emails,
texts that I've just been released that support the indictment
I've called Mom Laurie Valoe in multiple murders now, including
that of husband number four, Charles Valo guys, I want
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you to take a listen to our cut forty two.
This is NBC Twels Michael Dudna speaking. It's a nine
one one call and the fight when my brother in
law shot him. Defense calm, emotionless Alex Cox calling nine
one one on a hot July day from a Chandler
home sparsely decorated except for Charles Value's body and a
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bat on a living room floor. Is here breathing. I
can't tell are you? Are you willing to go over
to him in check? Sure? Cox telling police he shot
his brother in law after breaking up a fight between
Charles and his estranged wife Lourie. After Lourie left, Cox
initially claimed Charles attacked him with a bat, hitting him
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on the head, so he went to his room, got
his gun and eventually shot his brother in law. Yeah,
there's he's not moving. But this is just the start
of the mystery, as five months later, Cox turns up
debt with both deaths still under investigation. But do you,
Nate Eaton Howeswes this call? This is bodycam footage where
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they're speaking to cult Miles's brother. How does that fit
in with the new evidence that we have obtained that
shows that Cultma Laurie Valo and brother Alex Cox let
Charles Valo lie there and bleed out for forty three minutes.
And when is it that Cultma Laurie Valo goes to
(31:38):
Burger King. I guess murdering her husband made her hungry
and shopping for flip flops right after Charles was shot.
According to the documents, Alex shot Charles. Laurie then takes
JJ out to Burger King and to Walgreen's, and then,
as you mentioned, forty three minutes later, the police are called.
Alex didn't just shoot him once in self defense as
(32:02):
he claimed. He shot him once, and then when Charles
fell to the floor and was lying on the floor,
he shot him again. And that the you know clincher here,
I guess you could say is that he if it
wasn't self defense, you would think he might shoot once
and take off from the house. But now we know
that that that isn't the case. And meanwhile, Laurie goes
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dark after all of this. She doesn't have any communication
with the grandparents. And in these new text messages that
we received in these documents, you've got the grandmother sending
her a message saying are you all okay? Just days
after Charles died. She wants JJ to be able to
come to his father's service, but Laurie would not let him.
JJ wasn't able to go pay final respects to his dad.
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Grandma says, are you all okay? I'm worried. Please just
send a text? Did you see the fight? I tena
rays are you good with it? Kisses from JJ? Kisses
for JJ from me and Papa. And Laurie responds, sorry, yes,
we are okay. Been busy. I've never received an email.
We have to do some figuring out. JJ won't be
able to go to Louisiana next week. We're moving back
to Hawaii a SAP. Send me the address that you
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want me to send the ashes to for your memorials.
I'll also send a box of things for Cole and Zach,
Charles's other sons if you could give it to them,
that would be great. Thanks. I mean, there's no emotion there.
It's awesome, you know I noticed that? And do you
actually Willcott? You'll have a field day with this chord.
Because Alex Cox is speaking, he shows no emotion whatsoever
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about the day guy, right, absolutely no When you watch that,
it's unbelievable to me. He's just just sitting and not
doing anything and no big deal. It is the most
bizarre but best evidence, because remember, let's talk about what's
going to happen in trial. All of these pictures, all
of this evidence, all of these videos are going to
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come in not only approve the elements of the crime
of murder, but also, Nancy us you well know, to
show motives. The jury's gonna want to know why. They're
gonna show all of this to show she killed everybody
in her way from her perspective, Nancy, I have to
say one other thing. I didn't want to jump in,
but I have to comment. If you notice on the
photos recently released from her eye class, they are all posed,
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They're perfectly centered. There is a photo of Tyley Ryan
and Laurie Balowed day Belle that is contained in those
documents with the beach behind them in the water, perfectly posed.
There is a picture from Marie's phone that shows JJ
Balows sitting on a ride at Yellowstone Bear World. Not
only is he the only one on the ride, it's
perfectly centered. This photo of him on the couch on
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the day that he was last seen. Most likely it's
perfectly taken, and it's honest, like he's perfectly posed playing
with something in his hands. It creeps me out that
all of these photos to me looked posed to doctor
Sherry Schwartz joining US forensic psychologist and author of Criminal
Behavior way In, Doctor Sherry, Well, I agree that the
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photos seem to be posed there. I do believe I
agree with you wholeheartedly, Nancy about the mementos, but not sentimental,
because these are clearly attachment to people, people who are
close to them. So when you have something like this
that I think helps fuel the evidence for the prosecutor
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that this was planned. These people were in the way,
and day Bell and Valo are very comfortable with killing
people or having people killed, who are in their way,
who are interfering with whatever life it is that they
have imagined for themselves. It's chilling to me. Jessica MORGANA, Yeah,
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you know the fact that these moments in tom are frozen,
I think is striking because it's almost, Nancy. The bizarre
thing about this is almost like they have left a
trail of bread crumbs every where they have gone. I
think some people would want to paint these people as
master criminals, but yet in their wake, they have left
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a lot of forensic evidence behind, documenting everything that they did,
and not just what they did, but where they were
at specific times. That's why I agree with you that
there is going to be a tremendous amount of evidence
it's going to come out at trial in this case,
Dan Shilling, I don't think there was anything that the
children JJ entirely could have done to protect themselves from
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their own mother. But what's your takeaway with me, Dan Shillings,
author of the Power of Awareness at Dan Shilling books
dot com. What do you make of it? Well, the
safety lesson really is, you know, for the children, as
you mentioned, Nancy, it's impossible for them to parse out
where threats might come from because all they know when
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their children is this is my normal life. This is
light as it's supposed to be. But you know, really
it's for everybody else who is involved in the situation,
who has a stake in these children and their well being.
You know, the safety lesson is you don't wait for
law enforcements to reach out. You have to take that
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step yourself, because personal safety can't be delegated. So it
goes back to these people who see something happening. The
necessity to take action is really it's driven by these
things that are they're human, they're innate. It's that back
to intuition and understanding your situation and being aware of it,
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but tapping into that and not overriding it. That's the
common mistake people make in the modern era is they
override their intuition because we don't need it to survive
till tomorrow morning, as we our ancestors did thousands of
years ago. So it's to our detriment to not take
those steps. And that's where all of us can walk
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away from this with something that we can utilize to
take care of the other people in our lives where
we see a problem. Wow, that's very insightful, Dan Shilling,
you know to you, Nate Eton, I've been pouring through
the documents that we've been able to see what do
you consider to be the most explosive or probitive in
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other words, that proved something information evidence, So we were
saved from this data dump. Well, I think one of
the major things police are going to be looking at
is why Alex Cox was booking flights to Columbia. That
was an interesting new tid that we had not heard before.
He was going back and forth to Columbia. We also
have multiple multiple phones that Maury was using behind the
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scene burner phones at least six numbers that she was using.
And we also have the a live stream camera that
was set up in Hawaii. Remember when everybody was saying,
what's happening with Chad and Maury, what are they doing? Well,
they were in Hawaii and police that set up a
phone or a camera right when they got there, and
they were monitoring their every move and for days there
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was no movement outside of their rentals Fondo, which was interesting.
It makes you wonder what they were doing, how they
were coming and going. The fascinating thing to me, Nancy,
is this is one agency that released these documents and
a lot of them were redacted, probably thirty three percent
were redacted. What do all the other agencies have? What
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does the FBI have that they haven't released? What are
the authorities in Idaho have that they haven't released? This
is the Chandler Police Department, and you've got four or
five other agencies. Imagine what we will know when this
all comes out. We wait as this heads to trial.
Cult mom Laurie Valo, her fifth husband Chad day Bell,
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cult leader, stewing in the pot together Nancy Gray Crime story,
signing off, goodbye, said
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. We all saw the headlines.
In fact, we watched the case before it became a headline.
But now even more gruesome details are emerging in the
case of cult mom Laurie Valo and her fifth husband,
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cult leader Chad Day Bell as the two of them
the puppet masters, manipulating everyone around them, their scenario, their activities,
their manipulations now being laid bare in a treasure trove
of evidence just released by police. Remember everybody kept saying,
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you guys are calling in and writing in, texting, emailing,
saying why isn't there and arrest? What's happening? There's JJ?
Where's Tyley? Well, now we know crime stories with Nancy
(01:13):
Grace of emails and texts, documents from Cultmam Laurie Valoe
to everyone around her, weaving a web like a spider
that ultimately included JJ, her seven year old Tilely, her
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teen girl, husband four Charles Valo, Dave Belle's wife Tammy,
Dave Bell, and I believe others. Now, you don't have
to be a legal eagle to know that three or
four thousand documents of emails and texts important. Wait, will
(01:58):
you hear this? Take a listen. Newly released evidence by
Chandler Police comes after the indictment of Laurie Valo in
Maricopa County. The investigation into Laurie and are two missing kids,
JJ Valo and Tylie Ryan spanned multiple states and involved
the FBI. This photo, recovered from Laurie's e cloud account,
could be the last known picture taken of seven year
old JJ, dated on the morning of September twenty second,
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twenty nineteen. A day later, two more photos from Laurie's
eCloud show ammunition in an Idaho gun store. Why is
that one photo of a little JJ so important because
that's how he was found. Marry, Let's go to our
cut forty nine. The emmy grabbed a small sharp instrument
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and cut down the middle of the black plastic And
what did you observe? I observed a small child in
red pajamas, red pajama shirt, red pajama pants, black socks
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that had the words sketchers in orange across the toes.
Also observed a light and blue blanket that had been
placed on top of them. Okay, detective, were there when
you observed what you purceived to be a child? Where
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there was there anything that drew your attention? Yes, can
I describe one of who described for the court what
drew your attention the amount of duct tape that was
covering the body. You were hearing Detective Rayhrma CEO speaking
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in court about the autopsy about when the people at
the scene cut open a bag and they find a
little boy in the bag, still wearing red pajamas and
black socks. Now, why is this information, this one photo
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so critical, Jackie? If you would play cut fifty one
more time here hearing Justin Lum from Fox ten Phoenix.
Newly released evidence by Chandler Police comes after the indictment
of Laurie Vallo in Maricopa County. The investigation into Laurie
and are two missing kids, JJ Valo and Tylie Ryan
spanned multiple states and involved the FBI. This photo, recovered
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from Laurie's eCloud account, could be the last known picture
taken of seven year old JJ, dated on the morning
of September twenty second, twenty nineteen. A day later, two
more photos from Laurie's eCloud show ammunition in an Idaho
gun store. I'm gonna circle back to that, Amma, but
first let me introduce to you an all star panel
with me. Ashley Willcott, judge Trial Law, your anchor Court
(05:00):
TV at Ashley Wilcot dot com. Doctor Sherry Schwartz, forensics psychologist.
You can find her at panther Mitigation dot com. Author
of Where Law and Psychology Intersect Criminal Behavior. Joseph Scott Morgan,
Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, death investigator and author of
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Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. He's a star of
the Piketon massacre on iHeartRadio. Dan Schilling a personal safety expert,
former Lieutenant Colonel US Air Force, thirty year Special Ops veteran,
and author of the Power of Awareness. And I find
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that really interesting in this case because Charles Valle, God
bless him, was so wrapped up and his love for JJ,
his little boy. He kept trying and trying and trying
to get to JJ, and he ended up dead, aware
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but not aware of what was swirling around him. And
right now to the news director of East Idaho News
dot Com, Nate Eton. Nate, you are the one that
first reported on this treasure trove of evidence. I want
you to explain to me the critical significance of that
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one photo found and Laurie Vallo's iCloud. Well, here's JJ
Valo in the red pjs, sitting on the couch. It
looks like he's playing with a cup. This was taken
hours before police say he was killed, and his body
was later found wrapped in that plastic bag and duct
tape at Chad day Belle's property, wearing those same red pajamas,
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with his mother taking this photo. It was off with
Laurie's phone, taking the photo hours before he died. Okay,
let me ask you if lightning around number one, you
believe cult mom Laurie Vala took the photo. Why, Well
that it's unknown who actually took the photo, but a
lot of these photos were taken off of Laurie's phone.
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According to the police documents, this is twenty five hundred
pages of stuff taken from the cloud, photos and emails
and text messages, communication happening. Nate Eton, what's in the
background of the picture. You said he's sitting on a sofa.
Where he's sitting on a sofa? We don't know exactly where,
but it's likely that it was Laurie's townhouse. Well, I
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can tell you right now. To you, Jessica Morgan, that's
going to be matched up to her townhouse. That kind
of forensic evidence you handed over to the FBI of
the state crime lab. They'll tell you where it is.
They can match the paint in the background. I'll tell
you how I know this. I was working on a
case where there was a photo of a little girl
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and girl was molested, molested, molested. Turns out the cops
could identify the hotel by the bedspread. You know in
every hotel they have the same pictures on the wall,
the same bedspreads, the same paint, the same everything. They
could figure out based on that photo, where, what city,
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and even the date. And that's critical here because when
this goes to trial, you're gonna want to tell the
jury we believe this photo was taken on this date.
You can tell on in the iCloud at what time
and where and by whom because it's her phone. Explain
Joe Scott. Yeah, you're talking about connectivity with this, Nancy. Remember,
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you can't take the jury about this visa. Be the
documentation that you do at when you go back to
the scene, back to that location, take the photos. If
you take a real close look, Nancy, at this photograph,
you can see a countertop there, and it looks like
it's some kind of like fax stone. Looking at it
right now we're talking is JJ and these cute little
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red pajamas with looks like Hucchi trains or trucks or
something on them, and I think it says sleep Sleepy Hero,
Sleepy Hero. And he's got a cup. He looks like
he's making something. He's got a plastic cup over his
hand upside down. It looks like he's pulling something up
through it like a string. Maybe, now let's talk about
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what you're talking about. I mean, there's enough of that
sofa I would be able to identify that sofa, maybe
even the make, model brand, the whole shebay. But back
to what you're saying in the background is a dead giveaway, Yeah,
it is, because that countertop is very specific. And if
this is a townhouse that was built by the same company,
you might have multiple of these and each one of
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the adjoining condos or townhouses or whatever, and there will
be specific identifiers that you can tie back to this.
You can say pretty definitively that this is her place.
You got to throw pillow here. There's any number of
things and Nancy one thing that's very haunting about this
that has kind of haunted me throughout this case. Remember
what they said early on about JJ acting out of
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control climbing on countertops. Do you remember that? Yeah, and
that's not what he's doing at all. No, it's not.
But if that's the same area, boy, what a marker?
And Tom and just FYI, Nate eaton that looks like
a Look at that? Doesn't that look like a rooms
to go? You know how they had the sofa and
they had the throw pillars all set out for you.
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Look at that. I mean even I with an untrained
eye can figure out whose place this is, what kind
of sofa it is? Time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys
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were talking about about three thousand photos and doc it's
just released. I've caught mom Laurie Vallo's phone, her computer
and a lot more, and how it's going to be
used at trial when her multiple murder charges go to trial,
and her hubby number five of the cult leader, Chad
day Bell, as well as she Wilcot. The significance also
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other than placing him definitely in her apartment that proximity
to her, she's taking this photo he's got on pj's
that tells me what time. The iCloud will probably tell
me what time the photo was taken. But you just
heard Nate Eaton say this was just before he's gone missing.
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That's right, Nancy, talk about opportunity, right, and the timeline.
And let me just tell you this, so I really,
as you do, look at the facts in the law
and here's the reality of the facts in this case.
A law enforcement has done an incredible amount of work,
and because it's an ongoing investigation, we don't know all
the details. Now that they've released these photos, we know
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for a fact that they have evidence. The facts surrounding
this case are deep, and it shows she's a liar,
liar pants on fire. I'm relieved to see this information
because this is what's going to catch her. This is
what's going to prove the case against her, because not
only like you said, does it show where her children are,
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but on the day that this child goes missing in
her care, right, remember, she tells all these stories. This
released information shows that she tells the nanny, oh, we've
left the children with grandparents, and the reality is the
grandparents like we haven't. I don't know where they are.
Just see, You're absolutely right. That's another point. I'm going
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to circle back to you, Nate, because she's telling everybody
that JJ has gone to his grandparents. Well there he is,
based on this photo in her apartment. Take a listen
to cut forty one. This is Fox thirteen News reporter
Lauren Steinbrecker. When the nanny messaged Laurie again the day
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after JJ was last seen on September twenty fourth, she
responded to me that JJ was with his grandparents for
a month and that she was in Hawaii. She said
in about a month when they come back, that I
could work again. Well, once that month passed, I texted
her again around Halloween time asking if I could work.
There was no response. Oh Rexburg police have said they
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confirmed Tiley never attended BYU Idaho, which was what they
say Laurie was claiming to other people. A search weren't
revealed that Laurie left behind JJ's medication in that Rexburg
town home with pills still in the bottle. They said
that medication has not been filled in Idaho. Mac do you?
Nate eight News director East Idaho News dot Com. Nate
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also in that showser trove of evidence what proves JJ's
last word about what in this three thousand documents shows
Tayley's last location. It's all there, if someone will take
the time in the effort to comb through it like
we've been trying to do. I want to circle back
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to the photos. Two photos and calt Mom Laurie vallis
iCloud of ammunition in an Idaho gun store. What can
we glean from that? What does it prove? Well, this
photo was taken on the day that right after the
day after the right after the day that JJ police
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say he was dead but also died. If you remember,
on October ninth, twenty nineteen, Tammy Dayball got home, got
out of the car, and that somebody tried to shoot
her with a paintball gun. She was scared, she said,
what are you doing? The person ran away. Then ten
days later she dies in her sleep. Well, we now
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believe police now believed that person with Alex Cox, and
that it wasn't a paintball gun, that it could have
been actually a real gun, and maybe ammunition in this
photograph was in that gun and it misfired. Wow. Wow,
I was wondering what the significance of the photos were.
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And I want to circle back to you, Nate on
another thing regarding the photo of JJ, because the scenario
is that as Joe Scott Morgan was pointing out that
JJ had been crazy off the chart, climbing on cabinets,
had knocked over a photo of Christ that Colt Mom
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says she had in her kitchen, and he was out
of control. But then we learn that Alex Cox comes
in and suddenly JJ seems to be sedated, and Alex
Cox leaves with JJ. Tell me about how we that's
what happened. So Laurie's friend Melanie Gibb was at the house.
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She was visiting Rexburg, Idaho for the weekend. She said
that they were getting ready to report record a podcast
and that Alex comes in and JJ was kind of
draped over his shoulder like you put a toddler to
sleep or something. Melanie and her boyfriend David saw Alex
leave the townhouse with JJ asleep, and that was the
last time that she saw JJ. And the next morning,
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before she left town, Laurie was telling Melanie, JJ's a zombie.
He's out of control. You know, we don't know what's
happening with him, and these days are crucial. These are
absolutely crucial. On the twenty second, you have that photo
of JJ on the couch. On the twenty third, believed
to be the last photo. On the twenty third, there's
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the photos of the ammunition. Sometime in that time period,
police believe JJ's body was taken to Tad Dave Bell's
property and barry. On the twenty fourth, hours after her
boy her son has died, Laurie sends that message to
the nanny, saying, JJ's grandparents came this week. They needed
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to give me a break. That's one of the interesting
thing in all of these emails, Nancy, all of them
that Laurie sends seemed to sent her around her, around her.
I needed a break, so I no longer need your services.
I wish I had more work for you to do.
I understand if you need to get another job smiley emoji.
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The email that she spent two weeks previous to to
JJ's school in Arizona, she said, you know, due to
our change in circumstance, we need to suddenly moved to Idaho.
I have another job out of state, which police say
she did not. We need to withdraw JJ from school.
We need to move to Idaho. It's all all seems
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to be centered around her, her emotional well being, what's
happening in her life. Well, imagine what Jesus Scott Morgan
was saying about how Calm JJ looks sitting there on
the sofa in his pj's. I can tell you why
he's suddenly sedated. I'll tell you why. Take a listen
to our cut forty out of Fox thirteen. Then Nanny
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says Lorie messaged her through the websitecare dot com and
she came over to Laurie's town home on September eighteenth
to meet Jane j. She explained to me how they
recently moved here from Arizona. Then Nanny said her husband
had just died of a heart attack and how JJ
doesn't quite understand the situation. Laurie's brother, Alex Cox, shot
and killed Laurie's husband, Charles Vallow in July, before Laurie,
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her brother, and the kids moved to Idaho. Then Nanny
said Laurie also told her her daughter also lives in
Rexburg and is going to college. She said her daughter
doesn't like to babysit JJ without being paid, so she
wanted me to work for her occasionally. Her daughter would
come visit for dinner or to do laundry, but she
never said that she lived there with them. It appeared
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only Laurie and JJ lived there. The next day, September nineteenth,
the nanny says she came over to watch Jane Jay.
She mentioned how if she got home later, to give
JJ his medicine right before bed, because it makes him
tired fast. She joked about how she liked that because
some days when he was extra tough for her to handle,
she would give him his meds and have him go
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to bed early to give her upbreak crime stories with
Nancy Grace. Guys, we were talking about thousands of pieces
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of evidence that had just been made public and the
cult mom Lorie Valoc center, fifth hubby, cult leader Chad
day Bell, the two of them really racking up the
body count. Seven year old JJ, teen girl Tiley, the
wife of Chad day Bell who mysteriously dies in her sleep,
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and the two of them cult mom and Chad day
Bell Mary. About a week later, then you've got Charles Valo,
the husband that comes over to pick up JJ and
he's shot dead. I've always thought that there is a
link between her and the death of Joseph Ryan. I'm
afraid we'll never know the truth of that. But I
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want to circle back to doctor Sherry Schwartz, forensic psychologist
and author of Criminal Behavior, Where Law and Psychology meet.
You heard Nate Eaton at East Idaho News dot com
describing a photo of JJ Nspj's very calm sitting on
the sofa. This is just hours about I would say,
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maybe thirty six hours before he's dead. Maybe less. That
photo of AMMO, I believe is going to be linked
back to other deaths, other murders. Here's my question for you,
doctor Sherry. Why do people take pictures, incriminating pictures of
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their crimes, like you know bank robbers that did suddenly
post them laying in the money. Why? Nancy, The word
that comes to mind is pride. This is clearly a
woman who is comfortable with killing, with the deaths of
loved ones, including her own children. She clearly plans this
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because she's making up these stories ahead of time to
explain the disappearance of her kids. And then takes the
photo of the ammunition, which makes me think the photo
in the pj's and the photo of little JJ on
that ride all by himself it is an indication that
these are souvenirs. This is a way to pat herself humberful.
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I am, and we've seen that also with for instance,
serial killers that keep mementos of their crime victims. They
may keep underwear or a photo or a piece of jewelry,
and ye years and years when the case is finally
solved those mementos. Like you and I would keep ticket
stubs or our prom photos, they find mementos of the
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dead people, the victims. Guys, I want you to take
a listen to our cut fifty four more on his
treasure trove of evidence you're going to be hearing about
at trial linking cult mom Laurie Vallo and her husband
Chad day Bell to murdyrs. Take a listen to our
friends at CBS five. Chandler PD just released more than
(22:31):
two thousand emails, along with photo evidence linked to the
investigation into Laurie Vallo. New details traced the timeline back
to before authorities told the public that Laurie's kids, JJ
Valo and Tylie Ryan were missing. Investigators recovered this photo
from Laurie's iCloud account, possibly the last picture taken of
seven year old JJ on the morning of September twenty second,
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twenty nineteen, the last day he was seen on the
twenty third. Two more photos of ammunition in Idaho gun
store detectives pulled from Marai Cloud. On October eighth, Lorie
flew from Idaho into Phoenix Masa Gateway, while investigators say
her brother Alex Cox tried to shoot Tammy Davil the
next day. Chad Davil's first wife would end up dead
a little more than a week later. Chandler Pde says
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Lourie flew back into Idaho immediately after the death. Within weeks,
she and Chad got married in Kawaii. Straight out to
Nate Eatnyasidaho News dot Com Nate, the ammunition photo may
also link that to the murder of Charles Valo. How
well it could have been the same ammunition that Alex
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Cox used when he said he thought Charles in self
defense even before all of this, Nancy, what we've learned
from these new documents is Charles was pleading with Maurie
to get involved in her son's life and his life.
His family says he was crazy, crazy in love with Marie,
and there's an email where he basically Laurie's banished, Laurie's disappeared.
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We know now that she was having an affair with Chad.
But in this email, Charles says, you have not had
contact with us for thirty eight days. Your son misses you.
Please be his mother, and he lays out everything Laurie
He's done, and he ends the email with I'm going
to take action and continue to take care of JJ
because I'm not getting any response from you. I have
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no other choice. You've taken away all his family here.
It makes us both really sad and I really hurt
for him. You're his mother. He misses you. Please agree
to see your son. So here's this father pleading with
JJ's mom get involved in his life. And then when
she suddenly does appear, we know now that she was
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planning with her brother Alex to kill Charles. And back
to the ammunition photo. Yeah, it's very possible that maybe
that's the same type of ABBO they used with Charles
and it worked. So they were sending the photo later
on in September saying maybe we should use this for
Tammy's death. I'm wondering about showing premeditation. I don't think
it's going to be hard to do in this case.
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But the sad reality is that husband number four, Charles Valo,
told police he felt that he was in danger and
that JJ was in danger. Take a listen to our
cut forty five. This is ABC's GMA Charles Valo, the
now deceased husband of Laurie Valo, speaking to Gilbert, Arizona
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police in January of last year's note here, she lost
her reality. We've done at a great marriage. All of
a sudden, the last my blog just blew up. In
this body camera video obtained by ABC News, Charles accuses
his wife of behaving erratically, withdrawing large amounts of money,
even threatening to kill him. I will kill you because
you're not Charles, and nobody will care. Okay, so she
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at this point doesn't think you are her husband's He
takes seven. Nick Schneider, I have no idea the name
she used. I don't know where it came from. Okay,
I'm just like I'm as bewildered as you are. Authorities
issued an order for Laurie to receive a mental health evaluation,
but according to a police report, when she visited officers
the next day, she was allowed to drive herself to
(26:13):
the hospital with a friend, and the officers wrote. During
my conversation with Charles, I found his demeanor to be
strange for a person in his circumstances. He seemed more
concerned with asking questions about the legality of financial withdrawals
Laurie had made than her alleged incoherence. Well, I don't
know about that, because take a listen to our cup
forty three. This is the actually actual body kim footage
(26:37):
of cops as Charles value pleased to them about his
and his son's safety. What's going on tonight? I can't
get in touch with kids. How old are your kids?
Six and a half and sixteen? Okay? How long have
you been trying? Two days? Okay? But she she lost
her mind out of the house to say it, where lds.
(27:02):
She thinks she's resurrected, being in a kind of a god.
And remember one hundred and forty four thousand. She's come
to Jesus is coming next year. She took all the
money out of her bank account. Today my truck had
gone from the report. She went the airport and got it.
I just flew in from Houston from Dallas, Houston, Dallas,
So truck I don't know because a friend of mine
(27:25):
truck and picked me up. I went to the CSI
to follow report, which is good security bridges or something
bid a report. So you did you did? You did
the petitions? Yeah, they order to pick up Okay, what
time did you do do that? Okay? So what makes
her a danger to herself and to others? Threatened they
(27:46):
murder me? Kill me? She threatened to murder you? Yes,
straight out to Dan Shilling, safety expert, former Lieutenant US
Air Force, thirty years special ops veteran and author of
the Power of Awareness, and you can find him at
Dan Shillings Books dot com. Dan Shilling, thank you for
(28:06):
being with us here. You say, someone with the awareness
to tell cops she's threatened to kill me, but yet
he goes into the situation to try to get his son. Well, Nancy,
you know part of the problem for someone like Charles
in his position, he's very close to what's happening. He's
emotionally invested, as any father or husband or spouse would
(28:26):
be when their spouse goes off the rails, but prevents
something more catastrophic from happening. Usually takes places onto periphery,
and I think in this tragic Stories case, it's the
sister in law and the grandmother who are listening to
their intuition. They're telling themselves something is wrong, and they
(28:46):
reach out to the law enforcement authorities as well. But
what you really need to do in order to sort
of head these things off is listen to that intuition
and then ask those questions, you know, do we really
have a problem here. It's a deliberate question to ask
because it allows you to then say, okay, not how
do I manage this problem that's sort of incrementally getting worse,
(29:09):
But we have a problem here, and then you can
take action and make plans to sort of engage others
to save these lives that were tragically lost. And that's
where people fall short is listening to their intuition. Listening
to intuition, everything went completely out of control. We've called
Mom Laurie Valoe crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we
(29:45):
are talking about thousands of pages of documents and evidence, photos, emails,
texts that I've just been released that support the indictment
I've called Mom Laurie Valoe in multiple murders now, including
that of husband number four, Charles Valo guys, I want
(30:06):
you to take a listen to our cut forty two.
This is NBC Twels Michael Dudna speaking. It's a nine
one one call and the fight when my brother in
law shot him. Defense calm, emotionless Alex Cox calling nine
one one on a hot July day from a Chandler
home sparsely decorated except for Charles Value's body and a
(30:30):
bat on a living room floor. Is here breathing. I
can't tell are you? Are you willing to go over
to him in check? Sure? Cox telling police he shot
his brother in law after breaking up a fight between
Charles and his estranged wife Lourie. After Lourie left, Cox
initially claimed Charles attacked him with a bat, hitting him
(30:53):
on the head, so he went to his room, got
his gun and eventually shot his brother in law. Yeah,
there's he's not moving. But this is just the start
of the mystery, as five months later, Cox turns up
debt with both deaths still under investigation. But do you,
Nate Eaton Howeswes this call? This is bodycam footage where
(31:17):
they're speaking to cult Miles's brother. How does that fit
in with the new evidence that we have obtained that
shows that Cultma Laurie Valo and brother Alex Cox let
Charles Valo lie there and bleed out for forty three minutes.
And when is it that Cultma Laurie Valo goes to
(31:38):
Burger King. I guess murdering her husband made her hungry
and shopping for flip flops right after Charles was shot.
According to the documents, Alex shot Charles. Laurie then takes
JJ out to Burger King and to Walgreen's, and then,
as you mentioned, forty three minutes later, the police are called.
Alex didn't just shoot him once in self defense as
(32:02):
he claimed. He shot him once, and then when Charles
fell to the floor and was lying on the floor,
he shot him again. And that the you know clincher here,
I guess you could say is that he if it
wasn't self defense, you would think he might shoot once
and take off from the house. But now we know
that that that isn't the case. And meanwhile, Laurie goes
(32:23):
dark after all of this. She doesn't have any communication
with the grandparents. And in these new text messages that
we received in these documents, you've got the grandmother sending
her a message saying are you all okay? Just days
after Charles died. She wants JJ to be able to
come to his father's service, but Laurie would not let him.
JJ wasn't able to go pay final respects to his dad.
(32:45):
Grandma says, are you all okay? I'm worried. Please just
send a text? Did you see the fight? I tena
rays are you good with it? Kisses from JJ? Kisses
for JJ from me and Papa. And Laurie responds, sorry, yes,
we are okay. Been busy. I've never received an email.
We have to do some figuring out. JJ won't be
able to go to Louisiana next week. We're moving back
to Hawaii a SAP. Send me the address that you
(33:08):
want me to send the ashes to for your memorials.
I'll also send a box of things for Cole and Zach,
Charles's other sons if you could give it to them,
that would be great. Thanks. I mean, there's no emotion there.
It's awesome, you know I noticed that? And do you
actually Willcott? You'll have a field day with this chord.
Because Alex Cox is speaking, he shows no emotion whatsoever
(33:31):
about the day guy, right, absolutely no When you watch that,
it's unbelievable to me. He's just just sitting and not
doing anything and no big deal. It is the most
bizarre but best evidence, because remember, let's talk about what's
going to happen in trial. All of these pictures, all
of this evidence, all of these videos are going to
(33:51):
come in not only approve the elements of the crime
of murder, but also, Nancy us you well know, to
show motives. The jury's gonna want to know why. They're
gonna show all of this to show she killed everybody
in her way from her perspective, Nancy, I have to
say one other thing. I didn't want to jump in,
but I have to comment. If you notice on the
photos recently released from her eye class, they are all posed,
(34:16):
They're perfectly centered. There is a photo of Tyley Ryan
and Laurie Balowed day Belle that is contained in those
documents with the beach behind them in the water, perfectly posed.
There is a picture from Marie's phone that shows JJ
Balows sitting on a ride at Yellowstone Bear World. Not
only is he the only one on the ride, it's
perfectly centered. This photo of him on the couch on
(34:37):
the day that he was last seen. Most likely it's
perfectly taken, and it's honest, like he's perfectly posed playing
with something in his hands. It creeps me out that
all of these photos to me looked posed to doctor
Sherry Schwartz joining US forensic psychologist and author of Criminal
Behavior way In, Doctor Sherry, Well, I agree that the
(35:01):
photos seem to be posed there. I do believe I
agree with you wholeheartedly, Nancy about the mementos, but not sentimental,
because these are clearly attachment to people, people who are
close to them. So when you have something like this
that I think helps fuel the evidence for the prosecutor
(35:24):
that this was planned. These people were in the way,
and day Bell and Valo are very comfortable with killing
people or having people killed, who are in their way,
who are interfering with whatever life it is that they
have imagined for themselves. It's chilling to me. Jessica MORGANA, Yeah,
(35:45):
you know the fact that these moments in tom are frozen,
I think is striking because it's almost, Nancy. The bizarre
thing about this is almost like they have left a
trail of bread crumbs every where they have gone. I
think some people would want to paint these people as
master criminals, but yet in their wake, they have left
(36:07):
a lot of forensic evidence behind, documenting everything that they did,
and not just what they did, but where they were
at specific times. That's why I agree with you that
there is going to be a tremendous amount of evidence
it's going to come out at trial in this case,
Dan Shilling, I don't think there was anything that the
children JJ entirely could have done to protect themselves from
(36:29):
their own mother. But what's your takeaway with me, Dan Shillings,
author of the Power of Awareness at Dan Shilling books
dot com. What do you make of it? Well, the
safety lesson really is, you know, for the children, as
you mentioned, Nancy, it's impossible for them to parse out
where threats might come from because all they know when
(36:52):
their children is this is my normal life. This is
light as it's supposed to be. But you know, really
it's for everybody else who is involved in the situation,
who has a stake in these children and their well being.
You know, the safety lesson is you don't wait for
law enforcements to reach out. You have to take that
(37:12):
step yourself, because personal safety can't be delegated. So it
goes back to these people who see something happening. The
necessity to take action is really it's driven by these
things that are they're human, they're innate. It's that back
to intuition and understanding your situation and being aware of it,
(37:32):
but tapping into that and not overriding it. That's the
common mistake people make in the modern era is they
override their intuition because we don't need it to survive
till tomorrow morning, as we our ancestors did thousands of
years ago. So it's to our detriment to not take
those steps. And that's where all of us can walk
(37:53):
away from this with something that we can utilize to
take care of the other people in our lives where
we see a problem. Wow, that's very insightful, Dan Shilling,
you know to you, Nate Eton, I've been pouring through
the documents that we've been able to see what do
you consider to be the most explosive or probitive in
(38:15):
other words, that proved something information evidence, So we were
saved from this data dump. Well, I think one of
the major things police are going to be looking at
is why Alex Cox was booking flights to Columbia. That
was an interesting new tid that we had not heard before.
He was going back and forth to Columbia. We also
have multiple multiple phones that Maury was using behind the
(38:39):
scene burner phones at least six numbers that she was using.
And we also have the a live stream camera that
was set up in Hawaii. Remember when everybody was saying,
what's happening with Chad and Maury, what are they doing? Well,
they were in Hawaii and police that set up a
phone or a camera right when they got there, and
they were monitoring their every move and for days there
(39:00):
was no movement outside of their rentals Fondo, which was interesting.
It makes you wonder what they were doing, how they
were coming and going. The fascinating thing to me, Nancy,
is this is one agency that released these documents and
a lot of them were redacted, probably thirty three percent
were redacted. What do all the other agencies have? What
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does the FBI have that they haven't released? What are
the authorities in Idaho have that they haven't released? This
is the Chandler Police Department, and you've got four or
five other agencies. Imagine what we will know when this
all comes out. We wait as this heads to trial.
Cult mom Laurie Valo, her fifth husband Chad day Bell,
(39:41):
cult leader, stewing in the pot together Nancy Gray Crime story,
signing off, goodbye, said
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