November 5, 2025 • 48 mins
Private Investigator Steve Fischer is on the David Anthony Burke case out of Hollywood, California, investigating what took place in a mansion rented by Burke and his manager.
The owner of the mansion tasks Fischer with determining if Celeste ever stayed in the mansion and when the last time she was seen on the property was. During this PI job, Steve uncovers strange, sadistic items allegedly even for a Hollywood mansion. Fischer turned the items over to LAPD.
Bottles of prescription pain medication and drug paraphernalia are recovered again, not by LAPD when they served a search warrant after Celeste was identified as the body found in Burke's Tesla, but by Private Investigator Steve Fischer.
During the time Burke was living in the mansion, other people were staying there, as well as men and women. Their personal belongings were recovered in the guest bedrooms, bathroom cabinets, and bedside tables.
Fischer has been studying surveillance footage, talking to neighbors, and gathering a timeline around Celeste and Burke's Tesla to determine when she was last alive.
Burke was in town the day the unkempt Tesla was last moved, July 29. Fischer has identified the driver.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Jo-Anna Nieves - Criminal defense attorney and Founder of The Nieves Law Firm; Instagram, Facebook and X: nieveslawfirm, YouTube and TikTok: thenieveslawfirm
- Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst, Author: "Deal Breaker," and featured in hit show "Paris in Love" on Peacock; Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, X: @DrBethanyLive
- Steve Fischer - Missing Persons Private Investigator, Search & Rescue Specialist, & Owner of Search Investigations [He has been hired by the owner of the Hollywood Hills property where D4vd had been staying to look into this case - he was at the house just a few days ago]; Facebook: SearchInvestigations, X: @SF_Investigates
- Dr. Kendall Crowns - Chief Medical Examiner Tarrant County (Ft Worth), Host of Podcast "Mayhem in the Morgue," and Lecturer: Burnett School of Medicine at TCU (Texas Christian University)
- Luke Kenton - Senior Reporter, Daily Mail
- Dave Mack - Investigative Reporter, 'Crime Stories’
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
A D four VD David Burke Defense Bob Shell teen Girls.
Celeste wasn't killed by anyone, then how does she end
up dead and dismembered and D four VD Burke's tesla?
(00:26):
How does that happen?
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Am I hearing now that no one will be held
accountable for this little girl's death and dismemberment, much less
leaving her out in.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
The hot weather in a car trunk to rot. I'm
Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. I want to thank
you for being with us. A dead body in your
trunk can really hurt your reputation.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Did he ever report his tesla missing? Absolutely not? Okay,
did he ever report Celeste missing?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
We know?
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Is this real?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Has this enormous gift to the defense just dropped into
their lap? It all goes to a myriad of pill
bottles found in D four vdaka David Anthony Burke's home.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
A myriad of pill.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Bottles belonging to we here, to a myriad of people
that we're living there, in and out and in and out.
Based on those pill bottles and so far a lack
of a CEOD cause of death, does this mean no
one will answer up for a dead teen girl decomposing
(01:48):
in a hot car trunk.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Listen. Bottles of prescription.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Pain medication and drug pair of fenilia are recovered inside
the home, not by LAPD but by Steve Fisher. Sure
the LAPD did not publicly disclose finding prescription drugs or
drug pair ferinalia. Other people were staying there as well,
men and women, their personal belongings in guest bedrooms, bathroom cabinets,
(02:13):
and bedside tables.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
A neighbor reported seeing Celeste sitting.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
On the curb in front of the house as if
she was waiting for someone to let her inside.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
What does it all mean?
Speaker 2 (02:24):
We know, based on neighbor accounts and war that Celeste
was living in the home of David Anthony Burke AKAD
four VD. He says David straight out to special guest
Steve Fisher, joining us missing person's private investigator, search and
rescue specialist, owner of Search Investigation who is hired by
(02:46):
the owner of Burke's mansion. Now, I want to get
to the fact that there is no cod right now
in my experience, a to psychology report, a screening would
have come back by now, which Lee make concerns Steve
Fisher that we're not going to get an accurate toxicology report.
Why because she basically baked and melted in that Tesla trunk.
(03:12):
Tell me about the pill bottles, the numerous pill bottles
scattering the four vd's mansion.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
When they moved out of the house, they took what
they took, they left the rest behind, and we found
opiate prescription medications. Now I can't say that they weren't
taking these as prescribed, but there was you know, several
bottles of them in the house.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
And there's other you know, pervormentalia that can be for
recreational drugs.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Okay, stop stop, probably there, Steve, Steve, Okay, you're on
crime stories. There's no wiggle room when you say drug paraphernalia.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
What do you mean? Please be specific.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
There was a there was items that can use for
like vaping, uh you know, not just like tobacco, but
also other you know items, and there was many of them,
and then also you know, like uh, smoking pipes.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
And don't worry, see, I understand you're not saying that's
what the drug paraphernalia was used for. I simply asked you,
let me rephrase it for you. What you found I'm
not asking you who it belonged to, who used it,
or how it was used. So one, two, three, what
(04:29):
did you find? Steve Fisher and D four VD David
Anthony Burk's rented mansion specifically, So there.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
Was opiate prescription medication.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Uh, there was a few bottels of that, and then
there was perphernalia they used to smoke different types of drugs.
You know, it's not for you know, one type. It's
something you find in a smoke shop, you.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Know, Okay. Op Opiates can mean any number of things.
Doctor Kendall Crown's joining US Chief Medical Examiner, Ran County,
that's Fort Worth. He is an esteemed lecturer at the
Mernet School of Medicine at TCU, and he's a star
of a hit podcast, Mayhem in the Morgue. Doctor Crowns,
please simply put when I'm hearing opiates are found in
(05:21):
the home, what could that consist of?
Speaker 1 (05:25):
What is an opiate?
Speaker 6 (05:28):
And opiate is a classification of drugs that are like
painkillers that can be heroin, morphine, fentanyl, hydrocodone, oxycodone, and
anything in those kind of categories. So opiates is a
broad term that you can then take that generalized term
and break it down into these other more specific findings
(05:49):
like fentanyl or heroin by doing toxicologic testing.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Okay, so opiate's found in the home.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
And when Steve Fischer goes out of his way to
say that they were prescriptioned, that's good because we're going
to have names on those pill bottles, Steve Fisher, without
divulging names, were their names on the pill bottles of opiates?
Speaker 4 (06:12):
They were and then they were hyder Codon, they were
lower Tab, generic, Lord Tab of opiates pain killers.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Now, now for some reason you've loosened up and you're
telling me what you found, Laura tab and oxy. Okay
to doctor Kendall Crown's, isn't it true that typically you
can get opiates by prescription or you can just get
them on the street.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
Yes, so you can get them either way. Prescription or
purchasing them off the street is a fine way of
getting them. Usually, prescription medications are fairly easily to get
a hold up from doctors and pain management doctors.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Especially to Luke Kenton, joining a senior investigative reporter with
Daily Mail, Luke Kenton, thank you for being with us.
You see where I'm going with this, right, Luke, if
there weren't multiple pill bottles of opius, and you know,
from what I've seen, and it hasn't all made it
(07:14):
into mainstream media, there were a lot of people in
and out, a.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Core group living there, but a lot.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Of people in and out of Burke's home. There were
a lot of pill bottles reportedly in Burke's home. Where
I'm going with this is if we don't get a
cod cause of death, if she's too decomposed to get
a good toxicology.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Screen, the argument is going to be Luke Kenton. Oh, she.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Voluntarily, all on her own, just gobbled down a bunch
of opiates as she died. That's how she died. Everybody,
we had nothing to do with it, and then out
of fear, we hit her body. That's where this is
going Kenton.
Speaker 7 (08:01):
Yeah, I think it speaks to the complicated nature of
this investigation as it stands. You know, when the story
first broke, you saw young girl found in Singer's car,
you thought, okay, slam dunk arrest. Much more information that
we don't currently have, and chief among that is a
concrete timeline we don't even know really when Celeste was
(08:22):
last seen alive. We don't know how long she was
dead for and as you say, you know, we don't
know how she does and it's unclear if we're even
going to get any clarity on that.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Do you have any idea, Luke Kinton, who the people
were going in and out? It was like Grand Central
station at Burke's mansion, and who were the core people
actually living there? Any idea on that? Had they been identified,
and that has just not been released.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
They haven't been publicly named.
Speaker 7 (08:53):
There has been obviously, as I'm sure you're a where
a lot of online sleuthing going on around this case
and trying to piece to gather the blanks that the
LAPD aren't currently filling in for us publicly. Some of
these individuals and I can't speak to the people that
may or may not have been living at the home,
but there was a group that David was often seen
with in social media. On social media, one close friend
(09:17):
in particular that a kid to be involved in his
music team in some capacity.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Okay, So basically what you're telling me is there's a
lot of people in and out and nobody can confirm it. Okay,
Luke Kenton, I understand where you're coming from. But Steve Fisher,
if a cop got up on the stand and tried
to sell me that bill of goods, okay, I would
have him held in con tipt of court because you
have painstakingly gone up and down the streets surrounding David
(09:46):
Burke's home, and you have amassed video ring.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Doorbell cam, security cam, you name it cam, and you
can see who is going in and out of the home.
And forget get it up and down the street that mansion.
Let's see that shot.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Control room that we got from our friend Harvey Levin
over at TMZ. The mansion is covered in security camps.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
So we know who goes in and stays overnight on
a daily basis.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
It's not rocket science, Fisher. To figure out who's living there.
All you have to do is paying their phone and
see is it there night after night after night.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
I mean, do I have to connect the dots here?
Speaker 4 (10:31):
No, It's like I said, it's not part to do.
In fact, they put it on their own social media.
There's constantly, you know, photos in the house. There's this
group of four or five of them that are always
always there and they're kind of.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
David's you know, groupies or whatever.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
You know, they work with them, but they're always around,
and like you said, there's all there's surveillance. And in fact,
I have a meeting this afternoon with another homeowner and
that's back in town and hopefully getting important surveys from
very close to the house that.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Might shed more light on that.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
And I'll tell you one of the people actually left
their car there for two months while this was all
going on. So the people that were definitely using the
house kind of as a home.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Base at least, you know what, Fisher, Let's just cut it.
Let's just cut through it.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
All I need is one witness, one witness to crack
one of Burke's insiders to tell the truth about the
night Celeste died. Otherwise no one is going to be
held responsible. That's the way it's heading right now. Things
(11:41):
could change.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
When you say a core group, what does that mean.
Are you referring to the two to four people we
think live there with Burke?
Speaker 5 (11:50):
Yeah, or at least we're staying there often.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
They might have had their own residences too many they
had to think belongings there.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
The nightstands were being used and what not.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
And there is a couple of mil hold it, hold it,
hold it, stop everything.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I like that. Hold on. You're right, You're right, Fisher.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
You can have your own under the lobby, call it domicile,
your own residence. But if you basically shack up or
live somewhere else, that's what I'm getting at. Yes, now
I understand Luke Kenton's hesitance, because you don't have to
formally live there to be living there like that doesn't
(12:33):
have to be where you get your mail or what
you put on your tax forms if you file tax forms.
But if you're even conveniently living there, that's who I'm
talking about. Back to Steve Fisher, Steve, I want to
get to the nightstand. I hate to rush you, but
(12:54):
I've got X number of minutes to get this information out.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Nightstands, all right, very important?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Do do you find paraphernalia, drug paraphernalia, pill bottles, any
evidence of someone sleeping in the home in the night stands?
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Because you know, when you go to a hotel.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
And you're only going to be there one night, does
everybody actually unpack their bags and all their stuff and
put it in the nightstand? Is there evidence someone has
been there more than one night?
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Why do I care. I care because I'm going to find.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Out who owned these pill bottles full of oxy. I'm
talking oxy fentanyl, opius that could kill a little girl.
That's who I'm talking about, Steve Fisher. And once I
can identify these people that were living there, whether officially
or unofficially, then I have a witness list.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
See where I'm going, Steve, No.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
I do, yes, they were, so I don't guess that wish.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
The nice stays were being used.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
There's no doubt, and you can tell that you know
they're you know, in the master bedroom there was female
products in the bathroom was completely filled with things where
it wasn't just an overnight type of thing.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
It was like a living situation.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
And they also had you know, like gaming stations set
up and whatnot in the rooms for different.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Okay, gaming stations don't mean anything to me because D
four VD could be using those gaming stations. He's on
online playing game games constantly, so he could just wander
from room to room. I need evidence that other people
were living there because I want to try to connect
them to.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
These pill bottles. If that is in fact the CEO
d on Celeste.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Wait a minute again, that's not going to convince a jury.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Steve Fisher, I hate to push it on the hot
spot not but when you say female products, what are
you talking about? Are you afraid to say tampon on
the air?
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Over fifty percent of population where women we know what
they are.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Don't be afraid, little boy.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
What were the female products that and how much were
there to indicate somebody who's actually living there?
Speaker 1 (15:12):
This is important.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
There was feminine hygiene products for sure, but I was
there's also a ton of makeup and you know, make
up bags and hair product that is female base. But
there was There was feminine hygiene products for sure, and
there was I think like six or seven separate, you know,
containers of them, so it wasn't just like an overnight
(15:35):
type of thing.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
It was.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah, there was bise stage.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
The reason I'm parsing products here is because it could
be argued that the four VD David Anthony Burke uses
makeup in his videos, So I need something I know
he's not going to use, like a big box of
forty to sixty tampons.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
And I don't care if the own of these pill
bottles was a woman a man.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
I don't care. I just need to get names, which
you can get off pill bottles. Okay, I want to
talk about the potential cood and what is the hold up.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Joining me is Joanna Neevis. She is a veteran criminal
defense attorney, founder of the Nevis Law Firm, and she's
joining us out of California.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Joanna, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
This is It's like somewhere up in the atmosphere, the
lack of a cod cause of death just fell in
the defense lap, and now they have an avenue, a
convincing avenue of defense.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
I'm not saying it's true. I'm not saying it's false.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
But when you have a young girl dad in the
trunk and dismembered, which is a whole another issue that's
not act. We don't have a COD. We have all
these pill bottles lying around. I can see where the
defense is headed. What would you do with that, Joanna?
Speaker 8 (17:10):
I would say the same thing I've been saying the
entire time is that we need evidence and an actual
crime of murder, what's committed and the cause of death
is what would help us establish that because you know,
what we're dealing with is so many scenarios that could
have happened. And I actually have said this for months
now or weeks now, that this could have been an
(17:30):
accidental overdose. It could have been somebody that found the
body or or got nervous and panicked about what happened
and made the bad judgment call of concealing the body,
but not necessarily committing a murder. So I think that
what we're hearing is that there are still things that
are coming to the surface that would actually help the
(17:52):
defense defend maybe even a crime that never even occurred.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Okay, So I'm taking that fund about discourse to mean
that you, as a defense attorney, if you're handling this case,
would argue that obviously Celeste must have died by accident
of an overdose, unless somebody's going to claim she committed suicide,
(18:17):
which is highly unlikely, and that someone panicked and instead
of calling nine one one or trying to revive her,
they went, hey, it'd be a great idea to chop
up her body and put her in a trunk.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Is that your defense? Just a simple yes?
Speaker 8 (18:33):
I definitely yes, I definitely think that it was possible.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Dr Bethany Marshall is joining us renowned psychoanalyst out of
the LA jurisdiction, author of deal Breaker.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
You can see her now on Peacock. Dr Bethany.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
This reminds me in a bad way of top Mom
Casey Anthony, who actually told your and it worked, by
the way, that her little girl Kelly drowned by accident
and instead of calling nine one one, everybody thought it
was a good idea to wrap her up in a blanket,
(19:14):
put her in a trash bag, and throw her in
a swamp. Let's see, I've got a problem with that,
but that's generally the same thing that's going to be
argued here.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
But it worked there.
Speaker 9 (19:26):
Hey, Nancy, you do not dismember a body because the
victim overdosed, You just don't.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
I mean, that's overkilled, overkilled.
Speaker 9 (19:35):
Something else bad happened in that house, And I've been
playing in my mind with what could that bad thing
have been. Was there a domestic violence incident and somebody
was choking her? Is there evidence on the body? Was
she gain rape? Is there semen on the body? Was
she offered drugs like fentanel or something like that, that,
(19:56):
or opiates that were prescribed for somebody? El I do
not believe somebody just went and murdered her.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
For murder's sake. You do not.
Speaker 9 (20:04):
Dismember a body just because the overdosed. You call nine one.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
One Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I believe her body,
Celest's body, the little girl's body was already in the
vehicle when it was parked.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
He's got video of the tesla coming around the curve
from the direction of Burke's house, his mansion. Hence the
body was already in the car and it's coming.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Over from Burke's house.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Stay with me.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
I'm about to go to doctor Kendall Crown's who is
a renowned medical examiner, has handled thousands of autopsies. But
I want to follow up on who who was in
that home.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Okay, listen to this.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Burke was in town the day the dented and covered
in mud tesla was last moved, July twenty ninth. That
same day, Burke left town with his personal assistant Neo,
after his tesla was last moved to the spot it
would later be towed from and performing in San Francisco
that night his now canceled Withered World tour. Burke had
(21:25):
a very small, tight knit entourage, two to four people
close to Burke, appeared to be living in the mansion,
with Burke Burke's previously close friend group now making efforts
to appear less tight knit. Surveillance footage from his twenty
thousand dollars a month rental home shows three or four
individuals who not only share the home but regularly access
(21:47):
his tesla. Those individuals have not been seen together since
the discovery of Celeste remains, and all have unfollowed each
other on social media.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Dave magg joining me Crime Stories in to get a reporter.
So Dave mack, okay, let me understand.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
If nobody did anything wrong, then why is everyone running
in different directions.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
And on following each other on social media? I mean
the day and I got to go back to Fisher
on this. In a moment, Dave mac remind me to
circle back to him. The last day that D four
VD David Anthony Burks tesla was moved.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Remember you got a.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Dead body, a little girl decomposing in the trunk. It's
hotter and hotter and hotter. More and more evidence including
cause of death. Coeod is being lost literally by the minute.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
And what are they doing? They're moving the car?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Why because it's a Fancy Barely Hills Home and Hollywood
Hills Home. And they know that the owners of those
lots are going to complain if a nasty car is
sitting in front of their lot for days on end.
So every few days the tesla is being moved around.
What's the less dead in the trunk? Point? If nothing
(23:08):
wrong happened, then why did everybody living in that home?
Dave Max suddenly scatter to the four ends of the earth.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
You know, Nancy.
Speaker 10 (23:19):
The biggest thing about this is exactly what you're pointing out.
That the last day it was moved on July twenty ninth,
the car stays there and has not moved again until.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
It's towed away.
Speaker 10 (23:31):
But Burke and his friend Bol he's in San Francisco
performing that very night. He's got his agent or his
assistant with him, the guy that's always with him, they've
called him, you know. Anyway, they're gone. And then after
the body is found, David Burt continues on Nancy. Now
(23:52):
the rats begin to flee, but Burt is acting like
nothing happened.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Think about it.
Speaker 10 (23:57):
This is his car. The body's been found. He knows
who it is, but he's still doing his thing. He
didn't cancel the tour. When she was identified Nancy, the
tour was canceled for him. He wanted to keep moving
on like nothing happened. They're acting like children in every
bit of this. And when you think about it, Burke
is twenty years old. He was homeschooled, he was sheltered,
(24:21):
raised in a church choir. It makes no adult sense,
but maybe it makes sense to somebody who's got the
maturity level of a twelve year old.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
To doctor Bethany Marshall, joining US psychoanalyst and author, doctor Bethany,
everybode scatters to the four corners of the earth, but
then is followed up by unfollowing each other online. I
find that a step too far not to have some
(24:50):
sort of implication.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
That's right.
Speaker 9 (24:53):
I mean, they are definitely trying to distance themselves from
each other. And you know, in that world, you know
instantly somebody unfollows you, you know, and it's so easy
to track. I would wonder with this group, who knows
what about the other person? Did one person see another
member of the house supply drugs? Did one person see
(25:15):
another person abuse Celeste and not call nine one one?
All that drug paraphernalia Nancy, I'm very interested in that.
Were the opiates in the room of the patient for
which the opiates have been prescribed or were they scattered
around the house?
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Was the house neat or messy? Did it look like
a drat.
Speaker 9 (25:34):
House, a crack house or was it a kept neat
Was all the drug paraphernalia in one place like people
were just trying it recreationally.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Or was it well to stay Fisher all like a
mess Stay Fisher?
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Where were the drugs?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
And let me also point out Stave Fisher, Well, we
learned this from you. LAPD had already searched the home.
Now they haven't mentioned finding drug to drug paraphernalia. That
is an mean they didn't find it. But by the
time you searched it, where did you find the drugs?
Speaker 4 (26:07):
So there was several different bottles of them and one
you know, being in the like a living room table
that was kind of like a where they did all
the streaming from is accessible there.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
And then also.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
In the bathrooms, so I think there was three different
opium prescription bodels and so they were accessible, they weren't
locked up.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Or anything like that, were accessible to anybody in the house.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Okay, you know, and you're speaking legally right now in
response to doctor Bethany Marshall and your right Steve, the
fact that they were in various locations, those doors were
not locked, anyone would have had access to them.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
But you know, isn't it true?
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Johanna and nyevs veteran defense attorney that under the law,
and this is a jury charge, a jury structure that
will be read to a jury in this case, if
there ever is one, says that the jury can take
into account behavior before jeering and after the incident, which
means a jury could take into account that very oddly,
(27:10):
very uncharacteristically, all of DFOURVDS David Anthony Berg's friends that
normally lived together, that hang out together every single day
and night, that parked their cars there from months on end,
they all scattered to north, south, east and west and
unfollowed each other. That can be taken into account, and
(27:31):
it can be argued on closing that that is a
guilty conscience. You know something bad went down, you know
about it, so you get the hell out of Dodge.
Can't that be argued by a prosecution.
Speaker 8 (27:46):
Yes, this could be an indicator of consciousness of guilt.
But what we have to keep in mind is that
something bad did happen. There was a dismembered body in
a trunk, So they are likely trying to distance themselves
from the fact that someone tried to conceal a body
and there is a knowingness around that. But the point
still remains that we can't prove yet whether this was
(28:06):
the cause of death was actually a murder and then
the concealment of the body.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Do I care about the tesla?
Speaker 8 (28:13):
No?
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Do I care who put the tesla there or moved it? Yes,
because I believe that person had knowledge the celess body,
a little girl.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Was decomposing in the truck.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Has a massive gift been dropped in the lapse of
the defense that gift.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
There is no c D cause of death as of tonight.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Now, with all of this in mind, straight out to
doctor Kendall Crowns joining us. As I've mentioned, Chief Medical Examiner,
Rant County and Star of Mayhem and the Morgue, Doctor
Kendall Crowns, I've waited on a lot of toxicology reports
as have you, to get an.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Official cause of death.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Toxicology reports are needed in a case where you can't
look at the body either under the microscope like you are,
with a naked eye like me and say, oh yeah,
she was stabb dead. Oh yeah, she was bludge and dead.
Oh yeah, this is a GSW gunshot wound. You have
to have toxicology when you can't overtly see what the
ceod is.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Right, But in all of my.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
History, I don't recall it taking this long. Is this
the death knell? Does this mean toxicology is not revealing
a cause of death.
Speaker 6 (29:37):
Well, it can be the fact that it can take
up to eight to ten weeks to get good toxicology
testing done, especially in a severe decomp She was in
that trunk for several weeks. Her decomposition processes could have
caused her blood to dry up and other tissues to
not be available. And they may be relying on liver
(29:57):
and muscle to get their toxicologic test done. And when
they have to rely on these two solid organs, the
toxicology lab has to grind them up and homogenize them,
making them into a liquid so they can test them.
And this can add even more.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
To stop right there, Stop, doctor Kendl Crowns. Look, we
all everybody on this panel except that you're smarter than us.
Can you please dum me down. I don't know what
you just said. What grind it down?
Speaker 1 (30:26):
For what test? What?
Speaker 6 (30:28):
So when you have no blood left to test from
and all you have left is solid organs, you can
collect muscle and liver at the time of autopsy that
is sent to the toxicology lab and they put it
in basically a blender and they make it into like
a slurry or a smoothie of this tissue and then
(30:51):
that way they're able to extract the liquid to put
it into the machines to do the toxicology testing.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Because of the toxicology machines.
Speaker 6 (30:59):
That do the testing can't use solid organs, so it
has to be liquefied in some way, and by doing
that it takes the process.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Now, I just want to digest what you just said.
Because of all of the prosecution's investigations I've had, which
I can't count, I've never heard it put just quite
like that.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
You're saying that.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Celeste liver, her dried up liver, is put in a
blender and blended until it's liquefied so that some machine somewhere.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Can run a test on it.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Correct. Okay, moving forward after Celeste's liver is liquefied in
a blender.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Then that is put into a what.
Speaker 6 (31:54):
It depends on the toxicology lab, but they usually use
like a GC mass spectrum degree, which is gas chromatography
mass spectrometry machine that then can do a look at
drug levels within that slurry of tissue.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
So you use a maspect a mass.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Spectometry spectometry to look at.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Oh here's another one.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
If you put a dried organ into the blender as
you call it, and you blend it, you still have
a dry organ.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
How does it become liquefied?
Speaker 6 (32:30):
They add certain fluids to it to make it more liquefied.
I don't know specifically what they add, but it's probably
normal saline, probably most likely normal saline. So it helps
liquefy it and doesn't add to the toxicology or decrease
the toxicology.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Okay, of course.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
So that newly formed liquid which is dried liver and
saline is put into a mass spect and then you
can determine from that in lieu of blood whether there
were drugs and Celeste system.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Do I have that right?
Speaker 5 (33:09):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (33:09):
You do?
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Okay, you have illuminated a lot. Doctor Kendall Crowns. So
you're telling me that, no matter how long the body
is there, if you can get a liver or some
other organ suitable organ, you can use that to get
a tox screen toxicology, right, that's correct, okay. And at
(33:38):
the beginning of the outset, you said, did you say
eight or eleven weeks to get that tok screen?
Speaker 5 (33:43):
Back about eight.
Speaker 6 (33:45):
To ten, but yes, about two and a half months.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
We know that she was in the trunt on September eight,
likely did before then, but the point of September eight
is that's.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
When her body was found.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
So you've got September, October, October to November. So right
now we're at about eight weeks. So you're saying, either
now or in the next two weeks there should be
a toxicology report. Yes, okay, doctor Kendall Crowns. You heard
doctor Bethany Marshall talking about how what if there were
(34:24):
sex games, what if there was a strangulation game and
asphyxiation game going on? All that evidence on her body,
just theoretically, if it existed, is gone because her body
has been decomposing for so long in the trunk. Would
(34:45):
you expect to find.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Bruising would you'd be able to find it. Let's just pretend.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Let's just pretend she died on September seven, and she's so.
Speaker 6 (34:57):
Yes, even though the body is decomposed, you can still
find physical evidence like bruising, stab wounds, gunshot wounds, things
of that nature. Even if they've completely mummified and their
skins hard as a rock or dried hard, you can
still notice the wounding patterns. Can still find bruising and
then cut into that dried leathery skin, peel it back
(35:17):
and find hemorrhage in the subcutaneous tissue or the fat underneath.
And the other thing you can look for is fractures
of the bones. So even if all the tissue is
decomposed away, you can still look at the bones and
find fractures.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Okay, I don't know if I've told you tonight yet,
doctor Kendl Crown's, but you're brilliant. But I've got another
fact to plug into your equation, Steve Fisher. I just
pretended Celeste was dead or killed September seven, But you
(35:51):
have information based on you combing the neighborhood to get
video and more. You have information that she was in
the trunk a lot longer than the day before the
car was found.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Yeah, so we have a video evidence of the car
being mooved, that's about it in July twenty ninth. And
even if we didn't have that, we still have the
parking enforcement officers that took photos, you know, going back
two weeks before the car was towed, So she was
in that for quite a while, but before definitely on
or before July twenty ninth.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Well, I'm telling you, I believe that that's her in
that photo that we have found at a D four
VD concert August the fourth. Trade make got to Luke
Kenton joining US senior investigator Reporter. Dailymail dot Com has
been on the story from the beginning.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
I know you're familiar with the.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
August fourth photo with either Celest or a Celeste look
alike wearing her jeans at her black tube top up
in the balcony that is reserved for friends and family
of D four VD aka David Anthony Burke. That was
August the fourth, Was it not, Luke Canton?
Speaker 1 (37:02):
It was August the fourth.
Speaker 7 (37:04):
Yes, the investigation that was done around that video, it
was claimed at least that that wasn't Celeste depicted. We
know David hung out with a number of other individuals
who bear some slight resemblance to Celeste. But on the
subject of last known contact, a couple of sources close
(37:26):
to Celesti who went to school with Celeste, said that
even though she was missing for you know, a year
or so, she continued contact with friends, and that contact
cut in either late June or early July. It's my
understanding that those that form of contact was message based,
so there's no way of verifying who was sending those messages.
(37:48):
But her phone was at least active until that point, according.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
To Crime Stories with Naty Grace, So Luke Kenton.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
That's really interesting and not just interesting, it could be probative.
You're saying that her friends, her old friends before David
Anthony Burke quit hearing from her at the latest in
did you say mid July?
Speaker 7 (38:20):
It was late June to very early July, is what
I was.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Totally one mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Now regarding that video, the video that was turned into
an ISO isolated photo of whom many believed to be
Celeste in that special Friends and Family booth above D
four VD, David Anthony Burke, you said, some people are
saying that's not Celeste.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Who is saying that's not Celeste.
Speaker 7 (38:54):
That was actually reported I believe by TMZ, And the
information that came from that report was that it was
individuals close to the individual, individuals with knowledge of the
matter said it wasn't Celeste. I haven't been able to
verify personally one way or the other, but I agree
with either she certainly, Yeah, she certainly resembles Celeste. But again,
(39:18):
there are a few people in and around that circle
that do that of Hispanic heritage and do slightly his
own Celeste in some way.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Canton, you're saying that people close to d four VD,
David Anthony Brooke, he calls that David.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
People close to Brooke say, oh no, that's not her.
Is that correct?
Speaker 7 (39:39):
That's my understanding of somebody else's reporting when my retorting
is concerned.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
So whenever I put a witness on the stand, I
way I judge their credibility, their veracity, I consider the source.
So if my source on that is, and I agree
with you, Luke, that seems to have come from within defourvd's.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Camp, they're going, oh no, that's not her. All right?
Speaker 2 (40:10):
That and a dollar will buy me a cup of coffee.
At McDonald's. I'm not buying what somebody in that camp
says no. But we know that, for instance, the FBI,
for Pete's sake, Target even has the greatest surveillance video.
That video, that photo can be used and enhanced to
(40:30):
determine is it really Soleiste?
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Why do I care this much?
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Because if it is Celeste that puts her alive on
August the fourth, so that weighs into it.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (40:41):
Way into it weighs into what I'm asking Doctor Kendall Crowns.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
That was a big round about.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
You have a lot of those in Great Britain, a
big round about. Back to doctor Kendall Crowns, if I
can place her alive at as Luke was saying at
the beginning of July, if she was dead then and
that's not Celeste in the balcony, can I get a
cod on her body? You said, even a mummy can
(41:08):
reveal bruises once you cut into the bruise and look
at the subcutaneous tissue. Has a big word for under
the skin. Even on a mummy, you can find that.
Speaker 6 (41:19):
Yes, I mean you can still look at the tissues
or the skin surface, even if they're dried and momomified
and still find injuries. Gunshot wounds, stab wounds, bruises, all
still are there. You just have to kind of change
your thinking on what you're looking at because of the
decomposition process. If she was still alive in July, that
(41:40):
it would be August in early September, she'd only been
missing for about a month, or dead about a month.
She probably wouldn't even be mammified at that point. She
would just probably be bloated green and with skin slippage
and stuff oozing out of ivory orifice. But we could
still that would even be easier than a mummified body
to find the injuries. The problem is actually dismembering could
(42:01):
disrupt a lot of the injuries you would be looking for,
especially with the strangulation, if they've cut her head off
and disrupted all the next musculature.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Amidst all of the scientific jargon we're hearing out the
medical examiners and the analysis by brilliant psychoanalysts like doctor
Bethany Marshall, the news from Luke Kenton Steve Fisher on
this from the very beginning, and it seemingly doesn't matter
to a lot of people what Fisher has absolutely dug up.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
That's non refutable.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
So far, conspiracy theories, conspiracy theories abounding on line as
to what really happened.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
Listen, the David is the last thing is the most
obvious Hollywood satanic ritual I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
That actually hurt in my ear. My ears are bleeding,
and that is from at.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Supreme Tings on TikTok. There's more. Listen, I'm gonna be honest,
said David.
Speaker 5 (43:02):
Situation is all of pureston.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Okay, you guys are all falling for him.
Speaker 10 (43:07):
Do you not notice all of us literally singing.
Speaker 5 (43:09):
In the back of my mind like bo it's a
literal p orson hed number.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
One on iTunes. Okay, he lost me with the Kreuella
hair right there. I'm out. No, I'm not putting him on.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
The stand with another crazy theory, and that is from
at Light l I G H. T. Sun Zaye on TikTok.
These conspiracy theories are as old as time.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
Are they real?
Speaker 2 (43:36):
No? But if you remember the Scott Peterson cases, zany
conspiracy theories.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
Were actually used at trial.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Yeah, here's a great one and.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
J Simpson crazy Zany conspiracy theory.
Speaker 11 (43:52):
So I without a shadow of a doubt believe that
OJ did not kill Nicola Ron but it was his son, Jason.
And here's what so evidence wise, there's about fifteen fingerprints
they could not trace back to OJ. There was also
a cap there that had dog here on it, but
OJ didn't own a dog, but Jason did. And pictures
have been proven to know that that cap is Jason's.
They just failed to get any kind of DNA evidence
(44:12):
offa Jason. He's also had a prior aggravated assault with
a deadly weapon against one of his.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
Ex girlfriends, Woman Simpson.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
The OJ Simpson Ornwell, James Simpson committed double murder. Quit
trying to rope in his son, who's outlining his own
business the Night of the Murderers. That is from at
Zoe underscore germ x. Okay, let's see crazy conspiracy theories
(44:41):
that the Fens will absolutely use.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
How about Brian Coburger. Coburger is innocent. I told you
Coburger was innocent.
Speaker 12 (44:52):
But I called my source one of five, and I asked, so,
if I had to prove him innocent.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
Where would I look? The source said, look, gut ENID
touch DNA.
Speaker 12 (45:02):
Door dasher and the neighbor Enid was never put on
the suspect list when he had blood on his door,
and he authored those other handles. It was also a
known drug house, So only a sophisticated drug ring would
you slice and dice like that.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
So much of that is not true. What not in
drug house? What is she saying?
Speaker 2 (45:26):
That's from Barry's and branches on TikTok zany conspiracy theories
that you would think don't amount to a hill of beans,
but that can be used by an adroit defense attorney
as a matter of fact. Dave Matt Crime Story's investigative
reporter who investigated the Delphi double murders with me, wasn't
there a zany conspiracy theory that the odnesss killed Libby
(45:49):
and Abby.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
The two little girls found under that.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Trestle bridge Oldness that worship for and the other Norse gods.
The device actually tried to bring that into evident and
the judge stopped them.
Speaker 10 (46:01):
Remember that they fought hard to get that Odinism brought
into this to claim it was a ritualistic killing of
Abby and Libby. I mean, it was amazing that we
actually had to dig into this and go through just
papers and encyclopedias of this odinism, and you know it
(46:22):
was just another red herring. But yeah, they tried, and the.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
Judge complete, they actually tried to use this any conspiracy
theory at trial. I mean there's millions of them. Remember
when John and A Ramsey was found dead.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
So many people piled on that it was the brother Burke,
who was like this big round day one.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
I said, it's not Burke. But did that stop the
conspiracy theories? And that poor boy was hounded the rest
of his life. Now he's a young adult male. But
can you imagine the cost the price these conspiracy theories
is crazy as they are. Carrie on, Lady Justice, she
(47:05):
has to pay the bill for all of that. We
are waiting on that cood and we are waiting for
justice in the death of a little girl, Celessee Rivas.
If you know or think you know anything about her death,
please contact LAPD two one three four eight six six
(47:26):
eight nine zero repeat two one three four eight six six'
eight nine. Zero as of, tonight no one has been
named a suspect or even a person of interest in her.
Death we remember An american, Hero Officer Rosa, VASQUEZ Us
Department Homeland, security killed in the line of duty after
(47:48):
seventeen years, service leaving behind her Husband, david and two
children without a, Mom paulina And Jesus american hero Of
Sir Rossa. Fasquez Nancy grace signing off goodbye, friend
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
A D four VD David Burke Defense Bob Shell teen Girls.
Celeste wasn't killed by anyone, then how does she end
up dead and dismembered and D four VD Burke's tesla?
(00:26):
How does that happen?
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Am I hearing now that no one will be held
accountable for this little girl's death and dismemberment, much less
leaving her out in.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
The hot weather in a car trunk to rot. I'm
Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. I want to thank
you for being with us. A dead body in your
trunk can really hurt your reputation.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Did he ever report his tesla missing? Absolutely not? Okay,
did he ever report Celeste missing?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
We know?
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Is this real?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Has this enormous gift to the defense just dropped into
their lap? It all goes to a myriad of pill
bottles found in D four vdaka David Anthony Burke's home.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
A myriad of pill.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Bottles belonging to we here, to a myriad of people
that we're living there, in and out and in and out.
Based on those pill bottles and so far a lack
of a CEOD cause of death, does this mean no
one will answer up for a dead teen girl decomposing
(01:48):
in a hot car trunk.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Listen. Bottles of prescription.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Pain medication and drug pair of fenilia are recovered inside
the home, not by LAPD but by Steve Fisher. Sure
the LAPD did not publicly disclose finding prescription drugs or
drug pair ferinalia. Other people were staying there as well,
men and women, their personal belongings in guest bedrooms, bathroom cabinets,
(02:13):
and bedside tables.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
A neighbor reported seeing Celeste sitting.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
On the curb in front of the house as if
she was waiting for someone to let her inside.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
What does it all mean?
Speaker 2 (02:24):
We know, based on neighbor accounts and war that Celeste
was living in the home of David Anthony Burke AKAD
four VD. He says David straight out to special guest
Steve Fisher, joining us missing person's private investigator, search and
rescue specialist, owner of Search Investigation who is hired by
(02:46):
the owner of Burke's mansion. Now, I want to get
to the fact that there is no cod right now
in my experience, a to psychology report, a screening would
have come back by now, which Lee make concerns Steve
Fisher that we're not going to get an accurate toxicology report.
Why because she basically baked and melted in that Tesla trunk.
(03:12):
Tell me about the pill bottles, the numerous pill bottles
scattering the four vd's mansion.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
When they moved out of the house, they took what
they took, they left the rest behind, and we found
opiate prescription medications. Now I can't say that they weren't
taking these as prescribed, but there was you know, several
bottles of them in the house.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
And there's other you know, pervormentalia that can be for
recreational drugs.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Okay, stop stop, probably there, Steve, Steve, Okay, you're on
crime stories. There's no wiggle room when you say drug paraphernalia.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
What do you mean? Please be specific.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
There was a there was items that can use for
like vaping, uh you know, not just like tobacco, but
also other you know items, and there was many of them,
and then also you know, like uh, smoking pipes.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
And don't worry, see, I understand you're not saying that's
what the drug paraphernalia was used for. I simply asked you,
let me rephrase it for you. What you found I'm
not asking you who it belonged to, who used it,
or how it was used. So one, two, three, what
(04:29):
did you find? Steve Fisher and D four VD David
Anthony Burk's rented mansion specifically, So there.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
Was opiate prescription medication.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Uh, there was a few bottels of that, and then
there was perphernalia they used to smoke different types of drugs.
You know, it's not for you know, one type. It's
something you find in a smoke shop, you.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Know, Okay. Op Opiates can mean any number of things.
Doctor Kendall Crown's joining US Chief Medical Examiner, Ran County,
that's Fort Worth. He is an esteemed lecturer at the
Mernet School of Medicine at TCU, and he's a star
of a hit podcast, Mayhem in the Morgue. Doctor Crowns,
please simply put when I'm hearing opiates are found in
(05:21):
the home, what could that consist of?
Speaker 1 (05:25):
What is an opiate?
Speaker 6 (05:28):
And opiate is a classification of drugs that are like
painkillers that can be heroin, morphine, fentanyl, hydrocodone, oxycodone, and
anything in those kind of categories. So opiates is a
broad term that you can then take that generalized term
and break it down into these other more specific findings
(05:49):
like fentanyl or heroin by doing toxicologic testing.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Okay, so opiate's found in the home.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
And when Steve Fischer goes out of his way to
say that they were prescriptioned, that's good because we're going
to have names on those pill bottles, Steve Fisher, without
divulging names, were their names on the pill bottles of opiates?
Speaker 4 (06:12):
They were and then they were hyder Codon, they were
lower Tab, generic, Lord Tab of opiates pain killers.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Now, now for some reason you've loosened up and you're
telling me what you found, Laura tab and oxy. Okay
to doctor Kendall Crown's, isn't it true that typically you
can get opiates by prescription or you can just get
them on the street.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
Yes, so you can get them either way. Prescription or
purchasing them off the street is a fine way of
getting them. Usually, prescription medications are fairly easily to get
a hold up from doctors and pain management doctors.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Especially to Luke Kenton, joining a senior investigative reporter with
Daily Mail, Luke Kenton, thank you for being with us.
You see where I'm going with this, right, Luke, if
there weren't multiple pill bottles of opius, and you know,
from what I've seen, and it hasn't all made it
(07:14):
into mainstream media, there were a lot of people in
and out, a.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Core group living there, but a lot.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Of people in and out of Burke's home. There were
a lot of pill bottles reportedly in Burke's home. Where
I'm going with this is if we don't get a
cod cause of death, if she's too decomposed to get
a good toxicology.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Screen, the argument is going to be Luke Kenton. Oh, she.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Voluntarily, all on her own, just gobbled down a bunch
of opiates as she died. That's how she died. Everybody,
we had nothing to do with it, and then out
of fear, we hit her body. That's where this is
going Kenton.
Speaker 7 (08:01):
Yeah, I think it speaks to the complicated nature of
this investigation as it stands. You know, when the story
first broke, you saw young girl found in Singer's car,
you thought, okay, slam dunk arrest. Much more information that
we don't currently have, and chief among that is a
concrete timeline we don't even know really when Celeste was
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last seen alive. We don't know how long she was
dead for and as you say, you know, we don't
know how she does and it's unclear if we're even
going to get any clarity on that.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Do you have any idea, Luke Kinton, who the people
were going in and out? It was like Grand Central
station at Burke's mansion, and who were the core people
actually living there? Any idea on that? Had they been identified,
and that has just not been released.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
They haven't been publicly named.
Speaker 7 (08:53):
There has been obviously, as I'm sure you're a where
a lot of online sleuthing going on around this case
and trying to piece to gather the blanks that the
LAPD aren't currently filling in for us publicly. Some of
these individuals and I can't speak to the people that
may or may not have been living at the home,
but there was a group that David was often seen
with in social media. On social media, one close friend
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in particular that a kid to be involved in his
music team in some capacity.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Okay, So basically what you're telling me is there's a
lot of people in and out and nobody can confirm it. Okay,
Luke Kenton, I understand where you're coming from. But Steve Fisher,
if a cop got up on the stand and tried
to sell me that bill of goods, okay, I would
have him held in con tipt of court because you
have painstakingly gone up and down the streets surrounding David
(09:46):
Burke's home, and you have amassed video ring.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Doorbell cam, security cam, you name it cam, and you
can see who is going in and out of the home.
And forget get it up and down the street that mansion.
Let's see that shot.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Control room that we got from our friend Harvey Levin
over at TMZ. The mansion is covered in security camps.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
So we know who goes in and stays overnight on
a daily basis.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
It's not rocket science, Fisher. To figure out who's living there.
All you have to do is paying their phone and
see is it there night after night after night.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
I mean, do I have to connect the dots here?
Speaker 4 (10:31):
No, It's like I said, it's not part to do.
In fact, they put it on their own social media.
There's constantly, you know, photos in the house. There's this
group of four or five of them that are always
always there and they're kind of.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
David's you know, groupies or whatever.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
You know, they work with them, but they're always around,
and like you said, there's all there's surveillance. And in fact,
I have a meeting this afternoon with another homeowner and
that's back in town and hopefully getting important surveys from
very close to the house that.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Might shed more light on that.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
And I'll tell you one of the people actually left
their car there for two months while this was all
going on. So the people that were definitely using the
house kind of as a home.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Base at least, you know what, Fisher, Let's just cut it.
Let's just cut through it.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
All I need is one witness, one witness to crack
one of Burke's insiders to tell the truth about the
night Celeste died. Otherwise no one is going to be
held responsible. That's the way it's heading right now. Things
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could change.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
When you say a core group, what does that mean.
Are you referring to the two to four people we
think live there with Burke?
Speaker 5 (11:50):
Yeah, or at least we're staying there often.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
They might have had their own residences too many they
had to think belongings there.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
The nightstands were being used and what not.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
And there is a couple of mil hold it, hold it,
hold it, stop everything.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I like that. Hold on. You're right, You're right, Fisher.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
You can have your own under the lobby, call it domicile,
your own residence. But if you basically shack up or
live somewhere else, that's what I'm getting at. Yes, now
I understand Luke Kenton's hesitance, because you don't have to
formally live there to be living there like that doesn't
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have to be where you get your mail or what
you put on your tax forms if you file tax forms.
But if you're even conveniently living there, that's who I'm
talking about. Back to Steve Fisher, Steve, I want to
get to the nightstand. I hate to rush you, but
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I've got X number of minutes to get this information out.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Nightstands, all right, very important?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Do do you find paraphernalia, drug paraphernalia, pill bottles, any
evidence of someone sleeping in the home in the night stands?
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Because you know, when you go to a hotel.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
And you're only going to be there one night, does
everybody actually unpack their bags and all their stuff and
put it in the nightstand? Is there evidence someone has
been there more than one night?
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Why do I care. I care because I'm going to find.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Out who owned these pill bottles full of oxy. I'm
talking oxy fentanyl, opius that could kill a little girl.
That's who I'm talking about, Steve Fisher. And once I
can identify these people that were living there, whether officially
or unofficially, then I have a witness list.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
See where I'm going, Steve, No.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
I do, yes, they were, so I don't guess that wish.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
The nice stays were being used.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
There's no doubt, and you can tell that you know
they're you know, in the master bedroom there was female
products in the bathroom was completely filled with things where
it wasn't just an overnight type of thing.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
It was like a living situation.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
And they also had you know, like gaming stations set
up and whatnot in the rooms for different.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Okay, gaming stations don't mean anything to me because D
four VD could be using those gaming stations. He's on
online playing game games constantly, so he could just wander
from room to room. I need evidence that other people
were living there because I want to try to connect
them to.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
These pill bottles. If that is in fact the CEO
d on Celeste.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Wait a minute again, that's not going to convince a jury.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Steve Fisher, I hate to push it on the hot
spot not but when you say female products, what are
you talking about? Are you afraid to say tampon on
the air?
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Over fifty percent of population where women we know what
they are.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Don't be afraid, little boy.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
What were the female products that and how much were
there to indicate somebody who's actually living there?
Speaker 1 (15:12):
This is important.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
There was feminine hygiene products for sure, but I was
there's also a ton of makeup and you know, make
up bags and hair product that is female base. But
there was There was feminine hygiene products for sure, and
there was I think like six or seven separate, you know,
containers of them, so it wasn't just like an overnight
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type of thing.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
It was.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah, there was bise stage.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
The reason I'm parsing products here is because it could
be argued that the four VD David Anthony Burke uses
makeup in his videos, So I need something I know
he's not going to use, like a big box of
forty to sixty tampons.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
And I don't care if the own of these pill
bottles was a woman a man.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
I don't care. I just need to get names, which
you can get off pill bottles. Okay, I want to
talk about the potential cood and what is the hold up.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Joining me is Joanna Neevis. She is a veteran criminal
defense attorney, founder of the Nevis Law Firm, and she's
joining us out of California.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Joanna, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
This is It's like somewhere up in the atmosphere, the
lack of a cod cause of death just fell in
the defense lap, and now they have an avenue, a
convincing avenue of defense.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
I'm not saying it's true. I'm not saying it's false.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
But when you have a young girl dad in the
trunk and dismembered, which is a whole another issue that's
not act. We don't have a COD. We have all
these pill bottles lying around. I can see where the
defense is headed. What would you do with that, Joanna?
Speaker 8 (17:10):
I would say the same thing I've been saying the
entire time is that we need evidence and an actual
crime of murder, what's committed and the cause of death
is what would help us establish that because you know,
what we're dealing with is so many scenarios that could
have happened. And I actually have said this for months
now or weeks now, that this could have been an
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accidental overdose. It could have been somebody that found the
body or or got nervous and panicked about what happened
and made the bad judgment call of concealing the body,
but not necessarily committing a murder. So I think that
what we're hearing is that there are still things that
are coming to the surface that would actually help the
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defense defend maybe even a crime that never even occurred.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Okay, So I'm taking that fund about discourse to mean
that you, as a defense attorney, if you're handling this case,
would argue that obviously Celeste must have died by accident
of an overdose, unless somebody's going to claim she committed suicide,
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which is highly unlikely, and that someone panicked and instead
of calling nine one one or trying to revive her,
they went, hey, it'd be a great idea to chop
up her body and put her in a trunk.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Is that your defense? Just a simple yes?
Speaker 8 (18:33):
I definitely yes, I definitely think that it was possible.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Dr Bethany Marshall is joining us renowned psychoanalyst out of
the LA jurisdiction, author of deal Breaker.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
You can see her now on Peacock. Dr Bethany.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
This reminds me in a bad way of top Mom
Casey Anthony, who actually told your and it worked, by
the way, that her little girl Kelly drowned by accident
and instead of calling nine one one, everybody thought it
was a good idea to wrap her up in a blanket,
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put her in a trash bag, and throw her in
a swamp. Let's see, I've got a problem with that,
but that's generally the same thing that's going to be
argued here.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
But it worked there.
Speaker 9 (19:26):
Hey, Nancy, you do not dismember a body because the
victim overdosed, You just don't.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
I mean, that's overkilled, overkilled.
Speaker 9 (19:35):
Something else bad happened in that house, And I've been
playing in my mind with what could that bad thing
have been. Was there a domestic violence incident and somebody
was choking her? Is there evidence on the body? Was
she gain rape? Is there semen on the body? Was
she offered drugs like fentanel or something like that, that,
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or opiates that were prescribed for somebody? El I do
not believe somebody just went and murdered her.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
For murder's sake. You do not.
Speaker 9 (20:04):
Dismember a body just because the overdosed. You call nine one.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
One Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I believe her body,
Celest's body, the little girl's body was already in the
vehicle when it was parked.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
He's got video of the tesla coming around the curve
from the direction of Burke's house, his mansion. Hence the
body was already in the car and it's coming.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Over from Burke's house.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Stay with me.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
I'm about to go to doctor Kendall Crown's who is
a renowned medical examiner, has handled thousands of autopsies. But
I want to follow up on who who was in
that home.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Okay, listen to this.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Burke was in town the day the dented and covered
in mud tesla was last moved, July twenty ninth. That
same day, Burke left town with his personal assistant Neo,
after his tesla was last moved to the spot it
would later be towed from and performing in San Francisco
that night his now canceled Withered World tour. Burke had
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a very small, tight knit entourage, two to four people
close to Burke, appeared to be living in the mansion,
with Burke Burke's previously close friend group now making efforts
to appear less tight knit. Surveillance footage from his twenty
thousand dollars a month rental home shows three or four
individuals who not only share the home but regularly access
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his tesla. Those individuals have not been seen together since
the discovery of Celeste remains, and all have unfollowed each
other on social media.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Dave magg joining me Crime Stories in to get a reporter.
So Dave mack, okay, let me understand.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
If nobody did anything wrong, then why is everyone running
in different directions.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
And on following each other on social media? I mean
the day and I got to go back to Fisher
on this. In a moment, Dave mac remind me to
circle back to him. The last day that D four
VD David Anthony Burks tesla was moved.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Remember you got a.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Dead body, a little girl decomposing in the trunk. It's
hotter and hotter and hotter. More and more evidence including
cause of death. Coeod is being lost literally by the minute.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
And what are they doing? They're moving the car?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Why because it's a Fancy Barely Hills Home and Hollywood
Hills Home. And they know that the owners of those
lots are going to complain if a nasty car is
sitting in front of their lot for days on end.
So every few days the tesla is being moved around.
What's the less dead in the trunk? Point? If nothing
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wrong happened, then why did everybody living in that home?
Dave Max suddenly scatter to the four ends of the earth.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
You know, Nancy.
Speaker 10 (23:19):
The biggest thing about this is exactly what you're pointing out.
That the last day it was moved on July twenty ninth,
the car stays there and has not moved again until.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
It's towed away.
Speaker 10 (23:31):
But Burke and his friend Bol he's in San Francisco
performing that very night. He's got his agent or his
assistant with him, the guy that's always with him, they've
called him, you know. Anyway, they're gone. And then after
the body is found, David Burt continues on Nancy. Now
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the rats begin to flee, but Burt is acting like
nothing happened.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Think about it.
Speaker 10 (23:57):
This is his car. The body's been found. He knows
who it is, but he's still doing his thing. He
didn't cancel the tour. When she was identified Nancy, the
tour was canceled for him. He wanted to keep moving
on like nothing happened. They're acting like children in every
bit of this. And when you think about it, Burke
is twenty years old. He was homeschooled, he was sheltered,
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raised in a church choir. It makes no adult sense,
but maybe it makes sense to somebody who's got the
maturity level of a twelve year old.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
To doctor Bethany Marshall, joining US psychoanalyst and author, doctor Bethany,
everybode scatters to the four corners of the earth, but
then is followed up by unfollowing each other online. I
find that a step too far not to have some
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sort of implication.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
That's right.
Speaker 9 (24:53):
I mean, they are definitely trying to distance themselves from
each other. And you know, in that world, you know
instantly somebody unfollows you, you know, and it's so easy
to track. I would wonder with this group, who knows
what about the other person? Did one person see another
member of the house supply drugs? Did one person see
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another person abuse Celeste and not call nine one one?
All that drug paraphernalia Nancy, I'm very interested in that.
Were the opiates in the room of the patient for
which the opiates have been prescribed or were they scattered
around the house?
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Was the house neat or messy? Did it look like
a drat.
Speaker 9 (25:34):
House, a crack house or was it a kept neat
Was all the drug paraphernalia in one place like people
were just trying it recreationally.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Or was it well to stay Fisher all like a
mess Stay Fisher?
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Where were the drugs?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
And let me also point out Stave Fisher, Well, we
learned this from you. LAPD had already searched the home.
Now they haven't mentioned finding drug to drug paraphernalia. That
is an mean they didn't find it. But by the
time you searched it, where did you find the drugs?
Speaker 4 (26:07):
So there was several different bottles of them and one
you know, being in the like a living room table
that was kind of like a where they did all
the streaming from is accessible there.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
And then also.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
In the bathrooms, so I think there was three different
opium prescription bodels and so they were accessible, they weren't
locked up.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Or anything like that, were accessible to anybody in the house.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Okay, you know, and you're speaking legally right now in
response to doctor Bethany Marshall and your right Steve, the
fact that they were in various locations, those doors were
not locked, anyone would have had access to them.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
But you know, isn't it true?
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Johanna and nyevs veteran defense attorney that under the law,
and this is a jury charge, a jury structure that
will be read to a jury in this case, if
there ever is one, says that the jury can take
into account behavior before jeering and after the incident, which
means a jury could take into account that very oddly,
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very uncharacteristically, all of DFOURVDS David Anthony Berg's friends that
normally lived together, that hang out together every single day
and night, that parked their cars there from months on end,
they all scattered to north, south, east and west and
unfollowed each other. That can be taken into account, and
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it can be argued on closing that that is a
guilty conscience. You know something bad went down, you know
about it, so you get the hell out of Dodge.
Can't that be argued by a prosecution.
Speaker 8 (27:46):
Yes, this could be an indicator of consciousness of guilt.
But what we have to keep in mind is that
something bad did happen. There was a dismembered body in
a trunk, So they are likely trying to distance themselves
from the fact that someone tried to conceal a body
and there is a knowingness around that. But the point
still remains that we can't prove yet whether this was
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the cause of death was actually a murder and then
the concealment of the body.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Do I care about the tesla?
Speaker 8 (28:13):
No?
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Do I care who put the tesla there or moved it? Yes,
because I believe that person had knowledge the celess body,
a little girl.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Was decomposing in the truck.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Has a massive gift been dropped in the lapse of
the defense that gift.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
There is no c D cause of death as of tonight.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Now, with all of this in mind, straight out to
doctor Kendall Crowns joining us. As I've mentioned, Chief Medical Examiner,
Rant County and Star of Mayhem and the Morgue, Doctor
Kendall Crowns, I've waited on a lot of toxicology reports
as have you, to get an.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Official cause of death.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Toxicology reports are needed in a case where you can't
look at the body either under the microscope like you are,
with a naked eye like me and say, oh yeah,
she was stabb dead. Oh yeah, she was bludge and dead.
Oh yeah, this is a GSW gunshot wound. You have
to have toxicology when you can't overtly see what the
ceod is.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Right, But in all of my.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
History, I don't recall it taking this long. Is this
the death knell? Does this mean toxicology is not revealing
a cause of death.
Speaker 6 (29:37):
Well, it can be the fact that it can take
up to eight to ten weeks to get good toxicology
testing done, especially in a severe decomp She was in
that trunk for several weeks. Her decomposition processes could have
caused her blood to dry up and other tissues to
not be available. And they may be relying on liver
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and muscle to get their toxicologic test done. And when
they have to rely on these two solid organs, the
toxicology lab has to grind them up and homogenize them,
making them into a liquid so they can test them.
And this can add even more.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
To stop right there, Stop, doctor Kendl Crowns. Look, we
all everybody on this panel except that you're smarter than us.
Can you please dum me down. I don't know what
you just said. What grind it down?
Speaker 1 (30:26):
For what test? What?
Speaker 6 (30:28):
So when you have no blood left to test from
and all you have left is solid organs, you can
collect muscle and liver at the time of autopsy that
is sent to the toxicology lab and they put it
in basically a blender and they make it into like
a slurry or a smoothie of this tissue and then
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that way they're able to extract the liquid to put
it into the machines to do the toxicology testing.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Because of the toxicology machines.
Speaker 6 (30:59):
That do the testing can't use solid organs, so it
has to be liquefied in some way, and by doing
that it takes the process.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Now, I just want to digest what you just said.
Because of all of the prosecution's investigations I've had, which
I can't count, I've never heard it put just quite
like that.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
You're saying that.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Celeste liver, her dried up liver, is put in a
blender and blended until it's liquefied so that some machine somewhere.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Can run a test on it.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Correct. Okay, moving forward after Celeste's liver is liquefied in
a blender.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Then that is put into a what.
Speaker 6 (31:54):
It depends on the toxicology lab, but they usually use
like a GC mass spectrum degree, which is gas chromatography
mass spectrometry machine that then can do a look at
drug levels within that slurry of tissue.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
So you use a maspect a mass.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Spectometry spectometry to look at.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Oh here's another one.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
If you put a dried organ into the blender as
you call it, and you blend it, you still have
a dry organ.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
How does it become liquefied?
Speaker 6 (32:30):
They add certain fluids to it to make it more liquefied.
I don't know specifically what they add, but it's probably
normal saline, probably most likely normal saline. So it helps
liquefy it and doesn't add to the toxicology or decrease
the toxicology.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Okay, of course.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
So that newly formed liquid which is dried liver and
saline is put into a mass spect and then you
can determine from that in lieu of blood whether there
were drugs and Celeste system.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Do I have that right?
Speaker 5 (33:09):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (33:09):
You do?
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Okay, you have illuminated a lot. Doctor Kendall Crowns. So
you're telling me that, no matter how long the body
is there, if you can get a liver or some
other organ suitable organ, you can use that to get
a tox screen toxicology, right, that's correct, okay. And at
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the beginning of the outset, you said, did you say
eight or eleven weeks to get that tok screen?
Speaker 5 (33:43):
Back about eight.
Speaker 6 (33:45):
To ten, but yes, about two and a half months.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
We know that she was in the trunt on September eight,
likely did before then, but the point of September eight
is that's.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
When her body was found.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
So you've got September, October, October to November. So right
now we're at about eight weeks. So you're saying, either
now or in the next two weeks there should be
a toxicology report. Yes, okay, doctor Kendall Crowns. You heard
doctor Bethany Marshall talking about how what if there were
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sex games, what if there was a strangulation game and
asphyxiation game going on? All that evidence on her body,
just theoretically, if it existed, is gone because her body
has been decomposing for so long in the trunk. Would
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you expect to find.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Bruising would you'd be able to find it. Let's just pretend.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Let's just pretend she died on September seven, and she's so.
Speaker 6 (34:57):
Yes, even though the body is decomposed, you can still
find physical evidence like bruising, stab wounds, gunshot wounds, things
of that nature. Even if they've completely mummified and their
skins hard as a rock or dried hard, you can
still notice the wounding patterns. Can still find bruising and
then cut into that dried leathery skin, peel it back
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and find hemorrhage in the subcutaneous tissue or the fat underneath.
And the other thing you can look for is fractures
of the bones. So even if all the tissue is
decomposed away, you can still look at the bones and
find fractures.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Okay, I don't know if I've told you tonight yet,
doctor Kendl Crown's, but you're brilliant. But I've got another
fact to plug into your equation, Steve Fisher. I just
pretended Celeste was dead or killed September seven, But you
(35:51):
have information based on you combing the neighborhood to get
video and more. You have information that she was in
the trunk a lot longer than the day before the
car was found.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Yeah, so we have a video evidence of the car
being mooved, that's about it in July twenty ninth. And
even if we didn't have that, we still have the
parking enforcement officers that took photos, you know, going back
two weeks before the car was towed, So she was
in that for quite a while, but before definitely on
or before July twenty ninth.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Well, I'm telling you, I believe that that's her in
that photo that we have found at a D four
VD concert August the fourth. Trade make got to Luke
Kenton joining US senior investigator Reporter. Dailymail dot Com has
been on the story from the beginning.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
I know you're familiar with the.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
August fourth photo with either Celest or a Celeste look
alike wearing her jeans at her black tube top up
in the balcony that is reserved for friends and family
of D four VD aka David Anthony Burke. That was
August the fourth, Was it not, Luke Canton?
Speaker 1 (37:02):
It was August the fourth.
Speaker 7 (37:04):
Yes, the investigation that was done around that video, it
was claimed at least that that wasn't Celeste depicted. We
know David hung out with a number of other individuals
who bear some slight resemblance to Celeste. But on the
subject of last known contact, a couple of sources close
(37:26):
to Celesti who went to school with Celeste, said that
even though she was missing for you know, a year
or so, she continued contact with friends, and that contact
cut in either late June or early July. It's my
understanding that those that form of contact was message based,
so there's no way of verifying who was sending those messages.
(37:48):
But her phone was at least active until that point, according.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
To Crime Stories with Naty Grace, So Luke Kenton.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
That's really interesting and not just interesting, it could be probative.
You're saying that her friends, her old friends before David
Anthony Burke quit hearing from her at the latest in
did you say mid July?
Speaker 7 (38:20):
It was late June to very early July, is what
I was.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Totally one mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Now regarding that video, the video that was turned into
an ISO isolated photo of whom many believed to be
Celeste in that special Friends and Family booth above D
four VD, David Anthony Burke, you said, some people are
saying that's not Celeste.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Who is saying that's not Celeste.
Speaker 7 (38:54):
That was actually reported I believe by TMZ, And the
information that came from that report was that it was
individuals close to the individual, individuals with knowledge of the
matter said it wasn't Celeste. I haven't been able to
verify personally one way or the other, but I agree
with either she certainly, Yeah, she certainly resembles Celeste. But again,
(39:18):
there are a few people in and around that circle
that do that of Hispanic heritage and do slightly his
own Celeste in some way.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Canton, you're saying that people close to d four VD,
David Anthony Brooke, he calls that David.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
People close to Brooke say, oh no, that's not her.
Is that correct?
Speaker 7 (39:39):
That's my understanding of somebody else's reporting when my retorting
is concerned.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
So whenever I put a witness on the stand, I
way I judge their credibility, their veracity, I consider the source.
So if my source on that is, and I agree
with you, Luke, that seems to have come from within defourvd's.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Camp, they're going, oh no, that's not her. All right?
Speaker 2 (40:10):
That and a dollar will buy me a cup of coffee.
At McDonald's. I'm not buying what somebody in that camp
says no. But we know that, for instance, the FBI,
for Pete's sake, Target even has the greatest surveillance video.
That video, that photo can be used and enhanced to
(40:30):
determine is it really Soleiste?
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Why do I care this much?
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Because if it is Celeste that puts her alive on
August the fourth, so that weighs into it.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (40:41):
Way into it weighs into what I'm asking Doctor Kendall Crowns.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
That was a big round about.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
You have a lot of those in Great Britain, a
big round about. Back to doctor Kendall Crowns, if I
can place her alive at as Luke was saying at
the beginning of July, if she was dead then and
that's not Celeste in the balcony, can I get a
cod on her body? You said, even a mummy can
(41:08):
reveal bruises once you cut into the bruise and look
at the subcutaneous tissue. Has a big word for under
the skin. Even on a mummy, you can find that.
Speaker 6 (41:19):
Yes, I mean you can still look at the tissues
or the skin surface, even if they're dried and momomified
and still find injuries. Gunshot wounds, stab wounds, bruises, all
still are there. You just have to kind of change
your thinking on what you're looking at because of the
decomposition process. If she was still alive in July, that
(41:40):
it would be August in early September, she'd only been
missing for about a month, or dead about a month.
She probably wouldn't even be mammified at that point. She
would just probably be bloated green and with skin slippage
and stuff oozing out of ivory orifice. But we could
still that would even be easier than a mummified body
to find the injuries. The problem is actually dismembering could
(42:01):
disrupt a lot of the injuries you would be looking for,
especially with the strangulation, if they've cut her head off
and disrupted all the next musculature.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Amidst all of the scientific jargon we're hearing out the
medical examiners and the analysis by brilliant psychoanalysts like doctor
Bethany Marshall, the news from Luke Kenton Steve Fisher on
this from the very beginning, and it seemingly doesn't matter
to a lot of people what Fisher has absolutely dug up.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
That's non refutable.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
So far, conspiracy theories, conspiracy theories abounding on line as
to what really happened.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
Listen, the David is the last thing is the most
obvious Hollywood satanic ritual I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
That actually hurt in my ear. My ears are bleeding,
and that is from at.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Supreme Tings on TikTok. There's more. Listen, I'm gonna be honest,
said David.
Speaker 5 (43:02):
Situation is all of pureston.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Okay, you guys are all falling for him.
Speaker 10 (43:07):
Do you not notice all of us literally singing.
Speaker 5 (43:09):
In the back of my mind like bo it's a
literal p orson hed number.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
One on iTunes. Okay, he lost me with the Kreuella
hair right there. I'm out. No, I'm not putting him on.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
The stand with another crazy theory, and that is from
at Light l I G H. T. Sun Zaye on TikTok.
These conspiracy theories are as old as time.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
Are they real?
Speaker 2 (43:36):
No? But if you remember the Scott Peterson cases, zany
conspiracy theories.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
Were actually used at trial.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Yeah, here's a great one and.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
J Simpson crazy Zany conspiracy theory.
Speaker 11 (43:52):
So I without a shadow of a doubt believe that
OJ did not kill Nicola Ron but it was his son, Jason.
And here's what so evidence wise, there's about fifteen fingerprints
they could not trace back to OJ. There was also
a cap there that had dog here on it, but
OJ didn't own a dog, but Jason did. And pictures
have been proven to know that that cap is Jason's.
They just failed to get any kind of DNA evidence
(44:12):
offa Jason. He's also had a prior aggravated assault with
a deadly weapon against one of his.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
Ex girlfriends, Woman Simpson.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
The OJ Simpson Ornwell, James Simpson committed double murder. Quit
trying to rope in his son, who's outlining his own
business the Night of the Murderers. That is from at
Zoe underscore germ x. Okay, let's see crazy conspiracy theories
(44:41):
that the Fens will absolutely use.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
How about Brian Coburger. Coburger is innocent. I told you
Coburger was innocent.
Speaker 12 (44:52):
But I called my source one of five, and I asked, so,
if I had to prove him innocent.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
Where would I look? The source said, look, gut ENID
touch DNA.
Speaker 12 (45:02):
Door dasher and the neighbor Enid was never put on
the suspect list when he had blood on his door,
and he authored those other handles. It was also a
known drug house, So only a sophisticated drug ring would
you slice and dice like that.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
So much of that is not true. What not in
drug house? What is she saying?
Speaker 2 (45:26):
That's from Barry's and branches on TikTok zany conspiracy theories
that you would think don't amount to a hill of beans,
but that can be used by an adroit defense attorney
as a matter of fact. Dave Matt Crime Story's investigative
reporter who investigated the Delphi double murders with me, wasn't
there a zany conspiracy theory that the odnesss killed Libby
(45:49):
and Abby.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
The two little girls found under that.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Trestle bridge Oldness that worship for and the other Norse gods.
The device actually tried to bring that into evident and
the judge stopped them.
Speaker 10 (46:01):
Remember that they fought hard to get that Odinism brought
into this to claim it was a ritualistic killing of
Abby and Libby. I mean, it was amazing that we
actually had to dig into this and go through just
papers and encyclopedias of this odinism, and you know it
(46:22):
was just another red herring. But yeah, they tried, and the.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
Judge complete, they actually tried to use this any conspiracy
theory at trial. I mean there's millions of them. Remember
when John and A Ramsey was found dead.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
So many people piled on that it was the brother Burke,
who was like this big round day one.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
I said, it's not Burke. But did that stop the
conspiracy theories? And that poor boy was hounded the rest
of his life. Now he's a young adult male. But
can you imagine the cost the price these conspiracy theories
is crazy as they are. Carrie on, Lady Justice, she
(47:05):
has to pay the bill for all of that. We
are waiting on that cood and we are waiting for
justice in the death of a little girl, Celessee Rivas.
If you know or think you know anything about her death,
please contact LAPD two one three four eight six six
(47:26):
eight nine zero repeat two one three four eight six six'
eight nine. Zero as of, tonight no one has been
named a suspect or even a person of interest in her.
Death we remember An american, Hero Officer Rosa, VASQUEZ Us
Department Homeland, security killed in the line of duty after
(47:48):
seventeen years, service leaving behind her Husband, david and two
children without a, Mom paulina And Jesus american hero Of
Sir Rossa. Fasquez Nancy grace signing off goodbye, friend
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