October 2, 2025 • 41 mins
The night the decomposed remains of Celeste Rivas Hernandez were found in David Anthony Burke's Tesla, police in Hempstead, Texas, were dispatched to Burke's parents' home.
After receiving a 911 call of shots fired, a woman screaming in the background, and a report of a dead person at the location, officers approach the house with guns drawn. Burke's shocked parents open the door, and Burke's father says, "Someone is messing with us."
The details adding fuel to the mystery of the death of the troubled girl as we learn deputies were called to her home 11 times in one year, including three times, March 19, 2024. This is the day Celeste is seen on surveillance video near a liquor store on the same block as her house, walk-running around 7 a.m.
The investigation escalated as investigators seized electronics and computers from Burke's rented Hollywood Hills mansion. Their purpose was to locate signs of blood.
Using Luminol, a chemical spray that reveals traces of blood, investigators focused their search on the floors, drains, and other surfaces inside the home.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Jo-Anna Nieves - Criminal Defense Attorney and Founder of The Nieves Law Firm; Instagram, Facebook and X: nieveslawfirm, YouTube and TikTok: thenieveslawfirm
- Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst, Author: "Deal Breaker: When to work on a relationship and when to walk away” Hit show: "Paris in Love" on Peacock; Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, X: @DrBethanyLive
- Steve Fischer - Missing Persons Private Investigator, Search & Rescue Specialist, & Owner of Search Investigations; X: @SF_Investigates (helping in the search for Riley)
- Scott Eicher - A founding member of the FBI’s Cellular Analysis Survey Team (C.A.S.T); Historical Cellular Analysis Expert; Former FBI agent of 22 years; Former Police Officer and Homicide Detective with Norfolk Virginia Police Dept. having served 12 years; Currently with Precision Cellular Analysis handling Criminal, Defense and Civil case
- Jeffrey Gentry - Forensics-Certified Bloodstain Pattern Analyst, Sr. Crime Scene Analyst & Death Investigator, Former Toxicology Lab Analyst, Author: "Forensic Science: Applications to Death&Crime Scene Investigations" ; "Bloodstain Pattern Analysis" ; "Death Investigation: Information to Obtain During a Forensic Death Investigation;" TikTok:@jeffreygentryBPA, FB: Jeff Gentry Bloodstain Pattern Analyst
- Dr. Kendall Crowns - Chief Medical Examiner Tarrant County (Ft Worth), Host of NEW Podcast "Mayhem in the Morgue”, Lecturer: Burnett School of Medicine at TCU (Texas Christian University)
- Melissa McCarty - Reporter & Host of the “Killer Genes” Podcast, Author of “The Making of a Crime Reporter;" TikTok: McCarty143, Instagram: MelissaMcCarty1
- Dave Mack - Crime Stories, Investigative Reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
D four VD aka David Burt goes radio silent as
the Celest murder investigation boils over. This as a Celeste
body double rocks the investigation.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. I want to
thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
There is a dead body in there, one hundred and
fifty feet away from his house. Her body was an
advanced state of decomposure.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
It's not just a car.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
This is a car containing his girlfriends allegedly dead dismembered body.
As we go to air tonight, David Burke aka the
artist known as David but spelled D four VD okay,
whatever remains radio silent as the murder investigation into the
(01:01):
little teen girl found in his Tesla trunk boils over.
Joining me an all star panel to make sense of
what we are learning tonight. But first, a new theory
rocking online salute and beyond.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
The theory that there is a.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Body double being is let me explain the theory.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Melissa McCarty joining us.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Investigative reporter, host of Killer Jeans and author of a book,
The Making of a Crime Reporter. Melissa, The working theory
is that don't pooh pooh it Melissa McCarty joining us.
What is the body double theory? What's the story? Melissa Nancy?
Definitely plausible.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
I've seen similar elaborate cover ups in other cases. Now
the sleuthing is they are pretty much stripping everything he's
ever done online.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
And one of the.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Things, not only the two Celeste theory, but is he
using a body double? Are there images of her surfer
seen online to make it seem as though she was
alive and messing up the timeline? You know, these are
conspiracy theories, but they are plausible at the same time.
So it's something that the LAPD is going to have
to continue to, you know, investigate, but it's confusing for
the mass to follow with all the new tidbits coming
(02:17):
about from the sleuthing.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
By joining me now is Steve Fisher, missing person's private investigator,
search and riscue specialist and owner of Search Investigations, Steve,
thank you for being with us Number one. A lot
happening in the case the case boiling over. I wonder
why D four v D aka David Anthony Burke has
remained totally silent. He's on social don't worry about that.
(02:43):
He's busy deleting negative comments. So I know he's alive
and well, but he's saying nothing about the disappearance and
death of this little girl, Celeste.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Found in his trunk.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
I wonder what his father, the lawyer, has to do
with that, if anything, his decision to remain silent as
it relates to Celeste. But this new theory, it has
uh spreading like wildfire, that there is a body double Celeste.
These many of these are posted by him. These are
(03:17):
not the same girl, it's not her, but yet it's
posted all over his internet social postings. She has been
spotted at various functions. What do you make of it?
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (03:28):
Do they look remarkable?
Speaker 2 (03:29):
You like?
Speaker 7 (03:29):
And like you said, she has shown up, but you
know there's been backstage concert photos of her, and you know,
you just use being tagged as a Celeste. And I
believe that girl's twenty two years old. So whether it's
deliberate or not, I can't say, but it's definitely uh,
you know interesting that.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Place, Okay, Stave Fisher, I don't rely on crystal balls
to prove a case. I don't expect you to guess
or surmise read the tea leaves. What I'm saying, point blank,
is it's been done before, and before we discount anything,
(04:13):
it needs to be proven or disproven. The theory is
that knowing Celeste is God. She's dead and his tesla
she's not reported missing, the car is not reported stolen
or missing. Why and then a Celeste body double lookalike
starts appearing on his feed, on his social and even
(04:37):
at events. It's not Celeste, but it looks like Celeste
during this critical time period. It's not a leap of
faith to surmise it is intentional. Can you Can you
understand what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (04:53):
No, I agree with you, Although I will say that
that girl did show up in some es, even you know,
back in twenty twenty four, but they were a lot
more prominent in twenty twenty five. And so yeah, I
think that this could be a reason to explain, you know,
or for people not to be looking for the other
you know, ce last but they look remarkably alike.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Is that what's happening here? We don't know?
Speaker 2 (05:18):
And recall, David Anthony Burke aka David aka D four
VD is presumed innocent under the law.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
He will be innocent.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
He is innocent, right now until the presumption of innocence
is pierced and overcome by evidence that proves beyond a reasonable.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Doubt that he is in fact guilty. Now I want
to move on to this.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Take a look at Celeste little middle school boyfriend.
Speaker 8 (05:46):
She said how her mom didn't treat her well or whatever,
and she didn't like where she was at.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
We were at pe and she told me.
Speaker 8 (05:56):
My friend that she was running away, and she said
it was kind of her parents, and she was like
joking about it, and she she was like happy, like
joking like she always was, and like it didn't seem
real because like she was like playing around, joking about it.
And the next day she wasn't at school, and like
(06:16):
that's the last time I saw her. My heart jobs.
I was like, I don't know. I just couldn't believe it.
I thought, I mean, I kind of had a feeling
when I saw, like the first thing, I was like,
what if it is her? I just like to brushed
it off. But when I saw it really was, I
was like, damn, I really knew that's right.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Friends of rich CMZ, that's Celeste three vas, little middle
school boyfriend, describing how years in the making she had
trouble at home, a very difficult home life. And it
brings to mind a beautiful little girl, Madeline Soto, Maddy Soto,
who had told friends as soon as she was thirteen,
(07:01):
she was running away from home and living in the woods.
And I couldn't help wonder why with a little girl
want to run away from home and live in the woods.
Then I found out mommy's boyfriend, Stefan Stearns, had been
molesting her and taking videos of the molestation for years
back as early as when she was nine years old,
(07:24):
and no wonder she wanted to.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Run away and live in the woods.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Why did Celeste Rivas continue to run away from home?
How did everybody know that there was trouble at home?
As a matter of fact, on this occasion that she
ran away from home, her sister went looking for her,
(07:47):
even poking her head. The sister into a liquor store
asking if they could look at the surveillance video and
see if Celeste had walked by, And sure enough, Celeste
was caught on video cam on the incident when she ran.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Away from home.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
To Dave mac Crime Stories investigative reporter, what happened in
that instance, you know, in that.
Speaker 9 (08:12):
Instance, Nancy, we actually can see that Celeste is kind
of doing a walk run.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Dave, look at your monitor.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
We're showing the video the sister got from the store,
and there she is literally running away from home. Let
me be clear, Celeste was not in the liquor store.
The surveillance video showed her going by. This little girl
running away from home, And I got to ask why
in this video from our friend Harvey Levin at TMC. Now,
(08:43):
what were you saying, Dave, mac I just wanted you
to see the video.
Speaker 9 (08:46):
I just wanted to point out that that video was
at seven am. That's when it was taken at a
time when he killed me, when darl was going to school.
But so instead, Celeste is clearly kind of in a
confused state. If you watch her stride, she's partially walking,
partially running. It's like she's not quite sure what she's
going to do. But that's the last they see ever.
(09:07):
She takes off, and it's a fascinating reading to the
thirteen year old that is trying to figure out what
to do. And as you just pointed out, Nancy, this
is a child who spoke about being unhappy at home,
not being treated well. At home and wanting.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
To be away.
Speaker 9 (09:23):
And when I see her walking and understopping kind of
and then running, it just breaks my heart to think
of that child not knowing where to go, who she is,
or what she should be doing.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
She's been gone.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Over a year with him, she had been living with
this grown man, and now she's dead. Celeste is found
dead in the trunk of his tesla. We weren't just
showing you video obtained from a liquor store. Imagine this, Celeste,
a little girl sister, also a little girl goes looking
(09:58):
for her sister, king stores and homes along the way
if they had seen her sister, even a young girl
going in a liquor store asking if they had seen Celestia.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Because you look at the surveillance video.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
This is from our friend Harvey leven Over at TMC,
and here is Celeste seven a m running away from home. Now,
I'm certainly not the church lady, but I can tell
you this. You need to know where your twelve year
old daughter is at seven am. I think we could
(10:33):
all agree with that. I'm very, very curious to Jeffrey
Gentry joining US crime scene analyst and death investigator.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Jeffrey how many little.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Girls are snatched up once they become runaways. Every year
it's you know, thousands and thousands and thousands.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Can you imagine parents.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Not knowing where their daughter is at seven am?
Speaker 10 (11:00):
There is way too many and the stats on that
are very disturbing. But you know that doesn't happen in wellhomes.
So like, for example, I've got three teenagers at home
and I know exactly where they're at at all times.
Speaker 11 (11:12):
I have apps in.
Speaker 10 (11:13):
Them, I know about phones that I can contact them
on at all times. So that is very abnormal. And
you got to look into the home life as well
as the circumstances going around this case, just to figure
out why in the world is this girl out and
able to run away? How is this girl able to
establish a relationship with an older man. So those are
all very disturbing facts that need to be looked into.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Wilson McCarty joining us I investigative reporter and host Listen.
Speaker 12 (11:40):
A friend of celestial mother, Mercedes Martinez, says the family
was aware of the relationship with Burke. She doesn't know
why they didn't ask where she had been staying. Celeste
left again and went back to him. Someone called Celeste's
mother and said stop looking for her. She's fine. Take
down social media post about Celeste being missing. She felt
scared and took down a social media post asking for
(12:02):
help finding Celest.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
I mean, Melissa, somebody calls me and tells me, don't
look for Lucy, take down the social media post. The
first thing I would do would be star sixty nine
their bony rear end and find out who was calling
me threatening me to take down social postings about my missing.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Daughter number one.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
But that person was never reported to police, and they
apparently took down the social media postings and quit looking.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
What happened.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
First of all, that's a very haunting culture receive, but
I think it really goes into the backstory of Celeste
in what was happening in her home. It's clear there
were a lot of issues either within the family dynamic
or even the environment where she was living for her
to come and go seemingly as she pleased at this point,
I think they were just used to her leaving. And
(12:56):
you know, they also do seem like a proactive family
trying to find her, where about her, But then they didn't.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Have any Lussa McCarney, I like you I really do.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Do you have children?
Speaker 4 (13:08):
I do not.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Well you will one Daytunacy.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
I will say this, those teen years twelve to fifteen,
they are rough. I think any parents and any teen
would admit to that. Those are rough years in the
home environment, the social environments.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
What you're saying right now? And I don't care. Please
meet her. I don't care how rough they are. When
your daughter guy's missing, you find her.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
You find her.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
You do not allow your child to go as they please,
like you just said no, And oh well, I don't
even know what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
I'm concerned, are you?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Okay, here's the backstory of her leaving home for a
long year, a period of time work. At one point,
there's only so much a family can do. If they
made all of those calls to police and nothing came
of it, she would continue to run away.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
All Okay, you know what, Melissa, I'm going to let
you rest for a few moments, and I'm going to
go to a specialist who finds missing people.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Okay, See Fisher, you.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Do not let a child go as they please. Now,
when they become eighteen or they move out of your
home as an adult, then you can't stop them they
will go and come as they please. And the same
reason that you have to watch over them is the
reason they can't buy liquor. They can't buy alcohol, They
(14:45):
can't enter into a contract. They can't go tell somebody, yeah,
I want to buy your car that miners cannot negotiate contracts.
Why because they don't have the wherewithal the maturity to
do that.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
So even if I sell them mind my Lamborghini and then.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Guess what, they don't pay the car note and then
they wreck it, I can't sue them because I.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Entered a contract with a minor.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
So when you hear Melissa McCarty state, well, you know
a lot of parents let their children come and go.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
As they placed. No, they don't. And what mark could
they do?
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Well, they could hire a PI, they could continue to
call police. They could put up the social media postings.
They could go out and look for her. The mom
knew she was dating a guy named David. She's all
over social media. I can see her, can't they can't
they see she is with d four VD aka Burke. Yeah,
that's what you do.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
You don't give up play dead, roll over?
Speaker 7 (15:48):
No?
Speaker 2 (15:49):
I mean, could you school McCarty on what you do
when your child goes missing.
Speaker 7 (15:54):
Yeah, so this solictior's just failed on so many levels
when it comes to this. And I'll tell you I
have talked directly with people that in that neighborhood that
were helping to search for celest and we're told by
family members to lay off because she was with a
quote unquote family member in Los Angeles and everything was.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Okay, Okay, this is bringing to mind other cases.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Let's talk about R Kelly.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
R Kelly, who would gift his victims and their families
expensive gifts money so he could basically keep these young
girls as sex slaves.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Then we've got Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Family after family after family thought it was just perfectly
fine for their child to go sleep with Michael Jackson. Okay,
Doctor Bethany Marshall, I know a lot of people think
Jackson's innocent.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
I get that.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I don't want to believe he was a child luster either,
because he was the one of the most incredible music talents.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
That ever lived. That said, he was a d lester there.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
So how do families get hoodwinked into thinking it's okay
for their child to be with an adult male?
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Nancy?
Speaker 13 (17:12):
I think they get swayed by the celebrity. They're not protective.
They don't understand that.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
They have a legal duty to their children.
Speaker 13 (17:20):
Reminds me of a dad and my practice once got
into an argument with his sixteen year old.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
Told the sixteen.
Speaker 13 (17:25):
Year old in session, if you don't comply, I'm going
to kick you out of the house. And I said,
if you kicked him out of the house, I'm going
to call child protective Services.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
Because you are his legal guardian.
Speaker 13 (17:34):
You have a duty to put a roof over his head,
to nurture him, to make sure there's food.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
In his belly, that he's going to school.
Speaker 13 (17:41):
You do not let a sixteen year old, fifteen year old,
fourteen year old come and go as they please.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Always forgive him Melissa, but does fyi to the world
at large, No parenting advice from Melissa McCarty who thinks
children can come and go as they please.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Yeah, no, Nancy, but too, we really don't know what
was happening in her home life inside the home.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Okay, I need you to tell me things I don't
already know. That's why I have you. Okay, I know
something was wrong, even the little middle school boyfriend you
want me to play that again, said something was wrong
in the home.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
She was very upset, She was very sad.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
She thought her mother was very mean to her, and
she wanted to run away. So far, neither of my
children have run away or even said the words run away.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Not yet.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Okay, now, I'm not giving myself a gold star, but
I can tell you this much.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
If one of them disappeared.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
All hal would break loose and I would not be
sitting on my rear end watching reruns on TV while my.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Son or daughter were unaccounted for. You dart right.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
However, there were eleven calls to police. We don't know
the context of those calls or who were calling.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Was this Celeste? Was that the parents?
Speaker 3 (18:59):
I think this is a family that was trying. They
were proactive at one point.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
You don't know what the cuck calls were about, do you,
Because they took down the social media posts and they
quit looking.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
According to neighbors.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
And by the way, I've looked up and researched what
you said, And yes, police were at the home multiple times.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Deputies were there several times. The day that the.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Little sister got the video of Celeste running down the
street at seven a m Do.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
You even have a pet? McCarty?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Do you have a cat or a dog or a snake,
a frog in anything, a lizard anything?
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Do you have a pet?
Speaker 4 (19:40):
I do two rescue dogs. So far, so good? Put
hersonal life.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Do you know where your rescue dogs are right now?
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I bet you do? Don't you? Where are they? I do?
Speaker 4 (19:52):
At all times? I do.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
So you think it's okay to know where your dog is?
But that children?
Speaker 1 (19:59):
You know?
Speaker 2 (20:00):
So?
Speaker 4 (20:00):
The human boy, the human Nancy?
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I also coming as well.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
No, no, however, I've worked with a lot of troubled teams,
not saying that she was. But there are some circumstances
where a family can try so hard to do everything
that they have the capacity and the tools to do,
and it's still not enough. There's overwriting factors such as
this wealthy one of those people bring her it.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
They laid down, rolled over and played dead.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
And I could put that in a lot of different ways,
but they wouldn't be fit for the air. You're seeing
that video of her running down the street at seven am.
I can tell you this much. I know where my
children are at seven am. You ever heard of life
three sixty? Even when I'm not with them. I know
where they are because there's no way they're going to
be separated from their cell phone.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
That video from our friends at TMZ Crime Stories with
Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Very expensive items were saying on Celeste that her parents
did not give her and she certainly did not buy herself,
for instance, a very expensive purse and a diamond ring.
Let's take a look now, what about it, doctor Bethney,
where does she get those?
Speaker 13 (21:22):
Well, that's the Louis Vuitton purse that looks like a
one one and a half carot diamond. She certainly didn't
go get a job and buy them herself. What girl
is given gifts like that? If not that somebody's trying
to have power over her. And also we saw this
with Cassie Ventura. The gifts were given, taken away, given
taken away, so we don't know that those gifts were
(21:43):
permanently under her possession either. I've had a women in
my practice who are abused whose husband buys husbands buy
them expensive purses but will not allow them access to cash.
And when I say to the husbands, you know she
she needs to go to the grocery store. She needs
the shop, he goes, well, he gave her purses. So
persons here in southern California are a very common thing
(22:08):
for men to give to women to have control over them.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
The conspiracy theorists online saluting has exploded, literally dozens and
dozens of theories.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
How do you know that this is in somebody's setting
up David?
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Why?
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Why would anyone want to frame him? That's crazy talking.
Speaker 12 (22:31):
This model sends a notification to cell phone whenever the
fronk the front trunk is open for more than ten minutes.
If someone was loading Celeste's body into the car and
it took more than ten minutes, Burke could have received
a notification and this notification could be found on his
phone by law enforcement.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
The tesla model y belonging to Burke, David Anthony Burke,
the artist known as David. It looks like d Join
me now, Scott Iiker, who has actually performed experiments with
a tesla. Founding member FBI Cellular Analysis SERVE a team,
(23:12):
former police officer, homicide detective with Norfolk, Virginia, currently Precision
Cellular Analysis.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Scott, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Explain what you learned about this tesla other than the
fact that the trunk is open over ten minutes, an
alert is sent by text or email to the owner.
Speaker 14 (23:33):
Yeah, and the tesla, as we have talked Abora before,
has numerous cameras on it so that you get these
alerts when the trunk is open, or the front trunk
trunk they call it the fronk. And there's a small
area in front of in the front of the car
there in the front that you can put baggages or groceries.
(23:57):
That's what I use it for. But in this in
this case, you know, her body was found inside the
front of this of the tesla. It's a very small
area and you can see some of the pictures. Is
my daughter here?
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Is that's your re enact?
Speaker 14 (24:16):
Okay, yes, yes, ma'am, that's my daughter. She's about one
hundred pounds, so it's pretty tight in there for her.
But as if you know, if the victim in this case,
with Celeste, you know she's already deceased, they're more foldable
and bendable at that point in time.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Scott Iiker, how tall was your daughter?
Speaker 14 (24:40):
Five pounds?
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Okay, that's generally the same size as Celeste, generally speaking.
Let's see that shot again.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
We also know.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
That Celest's body was in a bag, which that's a
whole another can of worms for Jeffrey Gentry, our blood
pattern analyst.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
But back to Scott.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Iiker regarding the Tesla, Celeste was dismembered, okay, which means
that although we don't know the specifics of the dismemberment yet,
that could have made it much easy, made it much
easier to put her body in the trunk since she
(25:24):
was dismembered. What were you saying about the degree of
rigor or life or mortis?
Speaker 1 (25:31):
What were you saying about that?
Speaker 14 (25:33):
Yeah, as I said, she's as she's if she's dead,
she's more foldable or manipulable in our body, so could
fit into that small area of the trunk of the Tesla.
And there's numerous cameras all around that.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Also, I'm curious about that on USB that goes into
the Tesla that does all the recording, and the recordings
are stored on the USB. Would the car star art
if someone had removed the USB.
Speaker 14 (26:03):
Yes, it will, it will start, and it's just not
going to save any data the recordings from the cameras.
The USB is really just there to save the pictures
and the recordings.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Also, Scott is almost a three hundred and sixty degree
video of the surroundings of the car.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
What all would the cameras catch?
Speaker 14 (26:23):
They catch numerous aspects the front, back, inside of views
of the camera. And this is me reenacting bringing a
bag to the front of the car, opening the hood,
placing that bag into that front area, that little space
that we saw earlier, and then showing as you can see,
that's the dash camera in front of the car and
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right by the mirror, and it's facing right down the
front of the car, so anybody coming to the front
of that car will get viewed pretty clearly as you
can see. And then there's cameras on each side of
the car and the rear of the car too.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Melissa, how many days passed from let's just go with
the last time she was cited in August to the
day that her body was discovered.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
I believe it was about eleven days.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Eleven days, Okay.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Doctor Kendall Crown's are joining me, Chief Medical Examiner, Terrance County.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
That's fort Worth.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
He is an esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of
Medicine at TCU, and he is now the star of
a hit podcast Mayhem in the morgue, Doctor Crowns, how
would rigor mortis or lever mortis affect the foldability of
Celeste's body? And how can we tell by looking at
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the body what instrument was used to dismember her?
Speaker 11 (27:53):
All right, so let's start with rigamortis. Rigamortis is basically
the stiffening of the body after death that you sets
in within a couple of hours up to six hours
after death, lasts about a day or two before it disappears.
So when it initially sets in, the body is very
stiff and it can make it very hard to bend
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the body. But if you force enough, you can still
bend the arms and the legs and even fold the
person in half. Then once you break the riggor, it
can't set back in. So we'll make it difficult.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Sloot down, slow down, doctor Kennel, Crowns, you're speaking to
mere mortals like myself. We're not all medical geniuses. You
just said something about I can't even repeat what you said,
but I can ask a question. Isn't it true that
after a period of hours rigor where you stiffen like
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a boor's like cracking it? Two by four and a
half to fold a body like the legs or the
arms that are in rigor. After a period of hours,
rigors and the body again becomes malleable, isn't it true?
Speaker 11 (29:03):
Yeah, after about a day or two, the rigor will
actually disappear. Starts in the small muscles first and goes
to a larger one, So it only lasts about a
day or two before it's gone. But you can break
the rigor by pushing on the arms or the extremities
and folding them along the joint spaces. You're able to
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still break the rigor, and you can fold the person
into a suitcase or a trunk or whatever if you
need to.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Kendall Crowns, how long does it take, what's the body,
what's the person's kill for riger to set in?
Speaker 11 (29:37):
About two to six hours. It starts in these smaller
muscles first, like your jaw muscles, and then spreads to
the larger muscles at the end.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Okay, so you know what that says to me, Doctor
Kendll Crowns. I think that who ever dismembered her did
it very quickly after she was killed, before rigor had
set in. And again, doctor Kendall Crowns, how can we
look at her body? Of course it will be microscopic
and a microscopic investigation to look at the actual tissue.
(30:10):
Let's just pretend that the body was severed at the knee.
Let's just pretend you take the severed limb and you
put it under a microscope at the point of severance,
and you look at those microscopic cells of the leg.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Then you look at the bone.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
How can you determine what type of tool was used
to sever this child's body?
Speaker 11 (30:41):
So what you can do is if be used as
saw or something along those lines. This song has the
little teeth in it, they will actually leave kind of
hash marks in the bone as they're sawing through the
bone that can be looked at and then be used
as a comparison back to what is the alleged instrument
(31:02):
used to dismember the body. So you can do a
basically a comparison analysis of the marks on the bones
compared back to the instrument that was used to do
the dismembering. A tissue itself, the tissue tearing all that,
there is no way to really look at that and
know if it was a saw or not, but you
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can kind of get an idea of how rough the
tissue looks is did they use a knife, because the
wounds will be cleaner than if they used a saw,
which will be more ragged. But it is actually the
bones themselves. When you look at those, you can kind
of get an idea of the tool and actually do
a tool mark comparison with the bones to the actual tool.
Speaker 12 (31:42):
Law enforcement saying it's very likely her body was in
Bert's tesla for several weeks. The remains were severely decomposed, dismembered,
and found wrapped in a bag. There has been no
comment about how the body was dismembered, no indication if
a knife, saw, ax, or anything else was used, but
whatever was used to remember the team, there will be
tool marks left behind to provide a way to identify
(32:04):
what was used and possibly link them back to the killer.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace as we go to air tonight.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
David Anthony Burke aka David aka D four VD, who
by the way, his music is.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Through the Roof on Spotify.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Amazing the irony that said he is radio silent, although
we are learning he's going on social media and monitoring
Reddit users everybody posting about Celeste's murder, and.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
He is trying to control the narrative as it relates
to him, So he's not totally quiet.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
He can go online and do that, but not mention
a word of condolence. Speaking of remaining silent, did he
not notice the list wasn't there? Did nobody say hey,
we're the list? Apparently not because she was never reported
missing by either him or her parents. Yeah, digest that
(33:17):
for a minute.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Nor was his car reported stolen?
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Interesting, right, That's called circumstantial evidence. And again Burke is innocent.
As we go to air tonight, but still no word
from Burke again, Radio silent. I want to circle back
to Scott Aiker joining US a forensics expert. Iiker, I
want to see the video of you again carrying the
(33:42):
bag to the tesla in which you performed multiple experiments
the bag, the bag. I want to go to Jeffrey Gentry,
joining US Forensics. Certified bloodstained pattern Analysts, senior crime scene
analysts and death investigator.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Author of forensic science.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Applications to death and crime scene investigations, author of bloodstain
pattern analysis, author of death investigations. Information to obtain during
a forensic death investigation. Can we talk one moment gentry
about my beloved trash bags. Oh, how I love them?
Why because they're so easy to lift prints from.
Speaker 10 (34:29):
Explain they are very easy to lift prints if you
know what you're doing. You can use superglue techniques where
you can put the bag in a controlled environment. There
are multiple different enhancement techniques where you can actually get
usable fingerprints from plastic bags. And you might even want
to consider obtaining DNA from these bags as well, so
(34:50):
you might be able to figure out who was handling
the bags either before they were filled with body parts
or during the process, or when they're being put inside
of the vehicle.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Veteran defense attorney Joanna and he of us joining us
from this jurisdiction. Joanna, I guess you would argue with
a straight face that, hey, if his fingerprints are on
that bag, that means nothing.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
This bag was probably from his home.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
Oh, it would be with.
Speaker 5 (35:16):
A straight face, because I think we need a lot
more before we can tie him to this app First
of all, we haven't even established the manner of death
or the time of death, and so we.
Speaker 6 (35:26):
Don't know if an actual murder was committed.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
This could this be a situation where there's this alternate
theory where maybe she's engaged in some drug activity.
Speaker 6 (35:36):
Od's passes, you.
Speaker 5 (35:38):
Know, fall dead in front of someone, maybe not even David,
and they panic, and of course and maybe they're stupor
they with lacking judgment decide to get rid of the
body and dismember it.
Speaker 6 (35:52):
Not the best decision, but it could have been a
panic state.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
And I think that's why right now nobody hasn't been
named yet as the primary suspect in this, because we
have to establish what actually happened to her first.
Speaker 6 (36:06):
And then we can get to not whose fingerprints were.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
On the back We don't. I don't know why you're
saying that put her up.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Let me jog your memory, refresh your recollection, as we
say in court, with a little photo. Do you recognize
this person? Do you recognize her? Joe Ananievis. That's Lacy Peterson.
Her body, along with the body of her little boy,
her unborn child, Connor, washed up on the shore of
(36:35):
San Francisco Bay near the marina where her husband was
fishing on Christmas Eve. We never got a cod on her,
did we, But yet there was a murder conviction. Let's
try another photo. Look at this person. Do you recognize her?
Her name is Suzanne Morphew Joe Annievius.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
We don't have her cood either.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Her bones were buried my and miles and miles away
from home, but her bike was found not too far
from her home.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Her helmet in another area.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Her husband suggested a wild animal did at a mountain lion. Okay,
here's another photo. Do you recognize this woman? Her name
is Anna Walsh.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Her body's never been found, But all of those cases
are going forward. Joan, any of us just because you
can get rid of a cod cause of death. That's
not me. You're walking free.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Melissa McCarty joining us, investigative reporter, host of Killer Jeans
and author of the Making of a Crime reporter who
I can assure you knows where her dogs are at
this hour. Melissa, tell me about the search of D
fourvd's mansion.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
Right, so, the house in the Hollywood Hills.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
It was least under his manager's name, but we know
that LAPD during the investigation, they issued a search war
and they were taking out electronics in looking for blood traces,
anything that could piece together some kind of forensic connection
between the two of those.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
Did a homicide take place? In the house.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Was it a location number one, location number two? But
they did go search the house. What they found, it's
not been revealed yet.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
This is from our friend Harvey Levin at TMZEE. Jeffrey
Gentry following up on what Melissa McCarty just stated.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
She said they were looking for blood evidence.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
What specifically were they looking for and how would luminol
play into that.
Speaker 10 (38:31):
Lumino is a chemical that can be used to detect
blood that's not visible with the naked eye. So I've
used in many cases, and it's on areas that are
either dark or areas that have been cleaned up. So
if I were in that home looking, I would search
in areas where I think a body has been dismembered.
And keep in mind that when you're dismembering a body,
if you don't know what you're doing, you're going to
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make a mess for sure. So I would be looking
in areas like bathrooms. I would be looking outside like
on patios. I'd be looking in garages. You spray this
chemical and under dark conditions, it will light up, so
it's going to tell you where that dismemberment occurred, if
it was inside the house or on the back patio.
It's a very useful technique. And then after you've sprayed
(39:12):
this chemical, if you're using the right one, you can
actually swab it for DNA to confirm that there was
blood there at one point. Because keep in mind, after
several days weeks, that stuff is going to get cleaned up,
and this somebody does a good job. It's not going
to be really visible with the naked eye. But this
chemical is perfect for enhancing bloodstains so that you can
see them, document them, and.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Then collect DNA gentry.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
You know what I love cast off And when I
say cast off, I mean, for instance, if you stab
someone and sling back blood minute particles are tasked off
of your weapon and we'll hit the wall or the ceiling,
or we don't know where. And when looking for blood
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at a crime saying, not only do you use alumino,
as Jeffrey Jesuy accurately described, you look for blood in
very odd places, like on the ceiling, at the tops
of the walls, places where you would not find Celeste
blood normally, like if she cut her legs shaving in
the tub, you would expect to find blood there, but
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not on the ceiling and not at.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
The tops of the walls, not on.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
The curtains, and the type of blood matters.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Is it a dot?
Speaker 2 (40:29):
You look at the way it runs, is it running large?
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Here?
Speaker 2 (40:35):
The trails off here, which will tell you the direction
in which it was cast off. It's an art, It's
a science and an art. And I just pray they
get all that evidence, if there is any, before the
home is professionally cleaned or repainted. If you know or
you think you know anything about this case, have you
(40:58):
been called in as a professional clean Have you been
called into David Burke's mansion to repaint, to strip up carpet,
Please dial this number two one three four eight six six'
eight nine zero repeat two one three four eight.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Six six' eight. Nine zero we Remember an.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
American Hero Detative, Isaiah Emonizer Northern York County, Regional, police
pennsylvania shot in the line of duty after twenty years,
of service leaving behind, grieving Wife a loona and two.
Beautiful children American Hero Detative Isaiah Emaniser nancy gray signing off,
(41:43):
goodbye friend
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
D four VD aka David Burt goes radio silent as
the Celest murder investigation boils over. This as a Celeste
body double rocks the investigation.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. I want to
thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
There is a dead body in there, one hundred and
fifty feet away from his house. Her body was an
advanced state of decomposure.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
It's not just a car.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
This is a car containing his girlfriends allegedly dead dismembered body.
As we go to air tonight, David Burke aka the
artist known as David but spelled D four VD okay,
whatever remains radio silent as the murder investigation into the
(01:01):
little teen girl found in his Tesla trunk boils over.
Joining me an all star panel to make sense of
what we are learning tonight. But first, a new theory
rocking online salute and beyond.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
The theory that there is a.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Body double being is let me explain the theory.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Melissa McCarty joining us.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Investigative reporter, host of Killer Jeans and author of a book,
The Making of a Crime Reporter. Melissa, The working theory
is that don't pooh pooh it Melissa McCarty joining us.
What is the body double theory? What's the story? Melissa Nancy?
Definitely plausible.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
I've seen similar elaborate cover ups in other cases. Now
the sleuthing is they are pretty much stripping everything he's
ever done online.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
And one of the.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Things, not only the two Celeste theory, but is he
using a body double? Are there images of her surfer
seen online to make it seem as though she was
alive and messing up the timeline? You know, these are
conspiracy theories, but they are plausible at the same time.
So it's something that the LAPD is going to have
to continue to, you know, investigate, but it's confusing for
the mass to follow with all the new tidbits coming
(02:17):
about from the sleuthing.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
By joining me now is Steve Fisher, missing person's private investigator,
search and riscue specialist and owner of Search Investigations, Steve,
thank you for being with us Number one. A lot
happening in the case the case boiling over. I wonder
why D four v D aka David Anthony Burke has
remained totally silent. He's on social don't worry about that.
(02:43):
He's busy deleting negative comments. So I know he's alive
and well, but he's saying nothing about the disappearance and
death of this little girl, Celeste.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Found in his trunk.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
I wonder what his father, the lawyer, has to do
with that, if anything, his decision to remain silent as
it relates to Celeste. But this new theory, it has
uh spreading like wildfire, that there is a body double Celeste.
These many of these are posted by him. These are
(03:17):
not the same girl, it's not her, but yet it's
posted all over his internet social postings. She has been
spotted at various functions. What do you make of it?
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (03:28):
Do they look remarkable?
Speaker 2 (03:29):
You like?
Speaker 7 (03:29):
And like you said, she has shown up, but you
know there's been backstage concert photos of her, and you know,
you just use being tagged as a Celeste. And I
believe that girl's twenty two years old. So whether it's
deliberate or not, I can't say, but it's definitely uh,
you know interesting that.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Place, Okay, Stave Fisher, I don't rely on crystal balls
to prove a case. I don't expect you to guess
or surmise read the tea leaves. What I'm saying, point blank,
is it's been done before, and before we discount anything,
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it needs to be proven or disproven. The theory is
that knowing Celeste is God. She's dead and his tesla
she's not reported missing, the car is not reported stolen
or missing. Why and then a Celeste body double lookalike
starts appearing on his feed, on his social and even
(04:37):
at events. It's not Celeste, but it looks like Celeste
during this critical time period. It's not a leap of
faith to surmise it is intentional. Can you Can you
understand what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (04:53):
No, I agree with you, Although I will say that
that girl did show up in some es, even you know,
back in twenty twenty four, but they were a lot
more prominent in twenty twenty five. And so yeah, I
think that this could be a reason to explain, you know,
or for people not to be looking for the other
you know, ce last but they look remarkably alike.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Is that what's happening here? We don't know?
Speaker 2 (05:18):
And recall, David Anthony Burke aka David aka D four
VD is presumed innocent under the law.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
He will be innocent.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
He is innocent, right now until the presumption of innocence
is pierced and overcome by evidence that proves beyond a reasonable.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Doubt that he is in fact guilty. Now I want
to move on to this.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Take a look at Celeste little middle school boyfriend.
Speaker 8 (05:46):
She said how her mom didn't treat her well or whatever,
and she didn't like where she was at.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
We were at pe and she told me.
Speaker 8 (05:56):
My friend that she was running away, and she said
it was kind of her parents, and she was like
joking about it, and she she was like happy, like
joking like she always was, and like it didn't seem
real because like she was like playing around, joking about it.
And the next day she wasn't at school, and like
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that's the last time I saw her. My heart jobs.
I was like, I don't know. I just couldn't believe it.
I thought, I mean, I kind of had a feeling
when I saw, like the first thing, I was like,
what if it is her? I just like to brushed
it off. But when I saw it really was, I
was like, damn, I really knew that's right.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Friends of rich CMZ, that's Celeste three vas, little middle
school boyfriend, describing how years in the making she had
trouble at home, a very difficult home life. And it
brings to mind a beautiful little girl, Madeline Soto, Maddy Soto,
who had told friends as soon as she was thirteen,
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she was running away from home and living in the woods.
And I couldn't help wonder why with a little girl
want to run away from home and live in the woods.
Then I found out mommy's boyfriend, Stefan Stearns, had been
molesting her and taking videos of the molestation for years
back as early as when she was nine years old,
(07:24):
and no wonder she wanted to.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Run away and live in the woods.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Why did Celeste Rivas continue to run away from home?
How did everybody know that there was trouble at home?
As a matter of fact, on this occasion that she
ran away from home, her sister went looking for her,
(07:47):
even poking her head. The sister into a liquor store
asking if they could look at the surveillance video and
see if Celeste had walked by, And sure enough, Celeste
was caught on video cam on the incident when she ran.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Away from home.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
To Dave mac Crime Stories investigative reporter, what happened in
that instance, you know, in that.
Speaker 9 (08:12):
Instance, Nancy, we actually can see that Celeste is kind
of doing a walk run.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Dave, look at your monitor.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
We're showing the video the sister got from the store,
and there she is literally running away from home. Let
me be clear, Celeste was not in the liquor store.
The surveillance video showed her going by. This little girl
running away from home, And I got to ask why
in this video from our friend Harvey Levin at TMC. Now,
(08:43):
what were you saying, Dave, mac I just wanted you
to see the video.
Speaker 9 (08:46):
I just wanted to point out that that video was
at seven am. That's when it was taken at a
time when he killed me, when darl was going to school.
But so instead, Celeste is clearly kind of in a
confused state. If you watch her stride, she's partially walking,
partially running. It's like she's not quite sure what she's
going to do. But that's the last they see ever.
(09:07):
She takes off, and it's a fascinating reading to the
thirteen year old that is trying to figure out what
to do. And as you just pointed out, Nancy, this
is a child who spoke about being unhappy at home,
not being treated well. At home and wanting.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
To be away.
Speaker 9 (09:23):
And when I see her walking and understopping kind of
and then running, it just breaks my heart to think
of that child not knowing where to go, who she is,
or what she should be doing.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
She's been gone.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Over a year with him, she had been living with
this grown man, and now she's dead. Celeste is found
dead in the trunk of his tesla. We weren't just
showing you video obtained from a liquor store. Imagine this, Celeste,
a little girl sister, also a little girl goes looking
(09:58):
for her sister, king stores and homes along the way
if they had seen her sister, even a young girl
going in a liquor store asking if they had seen Celestia.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Because you look at the surveillance video.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
This is from our friend Harvey leven Over at TMC,
and here is Celeste seven a m running away from home. Now,
I'm certainly not the church lady, but I can tell
you this. You need to know where your twelve year
old daughter is at seven am. I think we could
(10:33):
all agree with that. I'm very, very curious to Jeffrey
Gentry joining US crime scene analyst and death investigator.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Jeffrey how many little.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Girls are snatched up once they become runaways. Every year
it's you know, thousands and thousands and thousands.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Can you imagine parents.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Not knowing where their daughter is at seven am?
Speaker 10 (11:00):
There is way too many and the stats on that
are very disturbing. But you know that doesn't happen in wellhomes.
So like, for example, I've got three teenagers at home
and I know exactly where they're at at all times.
Speaker 11 (11:12):
I have apps in.
Speaker 10 (11:13):
Them, I know about phones that I can contact them
on at all times. So that is very abnormal. And
you got to look into the home life as well
as the circumstances going around this case, just to figure
out why in the world is this girl out and
able to run away? How is this girl able to
establish a relationship with an older man. So those are
all very disturbing facts that need to be looked into.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Wilson McCarty joining us I investigative reporter and host Listen.
Speaker 12 (11:40):
A friend of celestial mother, Mercedes Martinez, says the family
was aware of the relationship with Burke. She doesn't know
why they didn't ask where she had been staying. Celeste
left again and went back to him. Someone called Celeste's
mother and said stop looking for her. She's fine. Take
down social media post about Celeste being missing. She felt
scared and took down a social media post asking for
(12:02):
help finding Celest.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
I mean, Melissa, somebody calls me and tells me, don't
look for Lucy, take down the social media post. The
first thing I would do would be star sixty nine
their bony rear end and find out who was calling
me threatening me to take down social postings about my missing.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Daughter number one.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
But that person was never reported to police, and they
apparently took down the social media postings and quit looking.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
What happened.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
First of all, that's a very haunting culture receive, but
I think it really goes into the backstory of Celeste
in what was happening in her home. It's clear there
were a lot of issues either within the family dynamic
or even the environment where she was living for her
to come and go seemingly as she pleased at this point,
I think they were just used to her leaving. And
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you know, they also do seem like a proactive family
trying to find her, where about her, But then they didn't.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Have any Lussa McCarney, I like you I really do.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Do you have children?
Speaker 4 (13:08):
I do not.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Well you will one Daytunacy.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
I will say this, those teen years twelve to fifteen,
they are rough. I think any parents and any teen
would admit to that. Those are rough years in the
home environment, the social environments.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
What you're saying right now? And I don't care. Please
meet her. I don't care how rough they are. When
your daughter guy's missing, you find her.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
You find her.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
You do not allow your child to go as they please,
like you just said no, And oh well, I don't
even know what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
I'm concerned, are you?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Okay, here's the backstory of her leaving home for a
long year, a period of time work. At one point,
there's only so much a family can do. If they
made all of those calls to police and nothing came
of it, she would continue to run away.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
All Okay, you know what, Melissa, I'm going to let
you rest for a few moments, and I'm going to
go to a specialist who finds missing people.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Okay, See Fisher, you.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Do not let a child go as they please. Now,
when they become eighteen or they move out of your
home as an adult, then you can't stop them they
will go and come as they please. And the same
reason that you have to watch over them is the
reason they can't buy liquor. They can't buy alcohol, They
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can't enter into a contract. They can't go tell somebody, yeah,
I want to buy your car that miners cannot negotiate contracts.
Why because they don't have the wherewithal the maturity to
do that.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
So even if I sell them mind my Lamborghini and then.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Guess what, they don't pay the car note and then
they wreck it, I can't sue them because I.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Entered a contract with a minor.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
So when you hear Melissa McCarty state, well, you know
a lot of parents let their children come and go.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
As they placed. No, they don't. And what mark could
they do?
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Well, they could hire a PI, they could continue to
call police. They could put up the social media postings.
They could go out and look for her. The mom
knew she was dating a guy named David. She's all
over social media. I can see her, can't they can't
they see she is with d four VD aka Burke. Yeah,
that's what you do.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
You don't give up play dead, roll over?
Speaker 7 (15:48):
No?
Speaker 2 (15:49):
I mean, could you school McCarty on what you do
when your child goes missing.
Speaker 7 (15:54):
Yeah, so this solictior's just failed on so many levels
when it comes to this. And I'll tell you I
have talked directly with people that in that neighborhood that
were helping to search for celest and we're told by
family members to lay off because she was with a
quote unquote family member in Los Angeles and everything was.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Okay, Okay, this is bringing to mind other cases.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Let's talk about R Kelly.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
R Kelly, who would gift his victims and their families
expensive gifts money so he could basically keep these young
girls as sex slaves.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Then we've got Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Family after family after family thought it was just perfectly
fine for their child to go sleep with Michael Jackson. Okay,
Doctor Bethany Marshall, I know a lot of people think
Jackson's innocent.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
I get that.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I don't want to believe he was a child luster either,
because he was the one of the most incredible music talents.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
That ever lived. That said, he was a d lester there.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
So how do families get hoodwinked into thinking it's okay
for their child to be with an adult male?
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Nancy?
Speaker 13 (17:12):
I think they get swayed by the celebrity. They're not protective.
They don't understand that.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
They have a legal duty to their children.
Speaker 13 (17:20):
Reminds me of a dad and my practice once got
into an argument with his sixteen year old.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
Told the sixteen.
Speaker 13 (17:25):
Year old in session, if you don't comply, I'm going
to kick you out of the house. And I said,
if you kicked him out of the house, I'm going
to call child protective Services.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
Because you are his legal guardian.
Speaker 13 (17:34):
You have a duty to put a roof over his head,
to nurture him, to make sure there's food.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
In his belly, that he's going to school.
Speaker 13 (17:41):
You do not let a sixteen year old, fifteen year old,
fourteen year old come and go as they please.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Always forgive him Melissa, but does fyi to the world
at large, No parenting advice from Melissa McCarty who thinks
children can come and go as they please.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Yeah, no, Nancy, but too, we really don't know what
was happening in her home life inside the home.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Okay, I need you to tell me things I don't
already know. That's why I have you. Okay, I know
something was wrong, even the little middle school boyfriend you
want me to play that again, said something was wrong
in the home.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
She was very upset, She was very sad.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
She thought her mother was very mean to her, and
she wanted to run away. So far, neither of my
children have run away or even said the words run away.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Not yet.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Okay, now, I'm not giving myself a gold star, but
I can tell you this much.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
If one of them disappeared.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
All hal would break loose and I would not be
sitting on my rear end watching reruns on TV while my.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Son or daughter were unaccounted for. You dart right.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
However, there were eleven calls to police. We don't know
the context of those calls or who were calling.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Was this Celeste? Was that the parents?
Speaker 3 (18:59):
I think this is a family that was trying. They
were proactive at one point.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
You don't know what the cuck calls were about, do you,
Because they took down the social media posts and they
quit looking.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
According to neighbors.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
And by the way, I've looked up and researched what
you said, And yes, police were at the home multiple times.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Deputies were there several times. The day that the.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Little sister got the video of Celeste running down the
street at seven a m Do.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
You even have a pet? McCarty?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Do you have a cat or a dog or a snake,
a frog in anything, a lizard anything?
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Do you have a pet?
Speaker 4 (19:40):
I do two rescue dogs. So far, so good? Put
hersonal life.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Do you know where your rescue dogs are right now?
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I bet you do? Don't you? Where are they? I do?
Speaker 4 (19:52):
At all times? I do.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
So you think it's okay to know where your dog is?
But that children?
Speaker 1 (19:59):
You know?
Speaker 2 (20:00):
So?
Speaker 4 (20:00):
The human boy, the human Nancy?
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I also coming as well.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
No, no, however, I've worked with a lot of troubled teams,
not saying that she was. But there are some circumstances
where a family can try so hard to do everything
that they have the capacity and the tools to do,
and it's still not enough. There's overwriting factors such as
this wealthy one of those people bring her it.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
They laid down, rolled over and played dead.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
And I could put that in a lot of different ways,
but they wouldn't be fit for the air. You're seeing
that video of her running down the street at seven am.
I can tell you this much. I know where my
children are at seven am. You ever heard of life
three sixty? Even when I'm not with them. I know
where they are because there's no way they're going to
be separated from their cell phone.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
That video from our friends at TMZ Crime Stories with
Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Very expensive items were saying on Celeste that her parents
did not give her and she certainly did not buy herself,
for instance, a very expensive purse and a diamond ring.
Let's take a look now, what about it, doctor Bethney,
where does she get those?
Speaker 13 (21:22):
Well, that's the Louis Vuitton purse that looks like a
one one and a half carot diamond. She certainly didn't
go get a job and buy them herself. What girl
is given gifts like that? If not that somebody's trying
to have power over her. And also we saw this
with Cassie Ventura. The gifts were given, taken away, given
taken away, so we don't know that those gifts were
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permanently under her possession either. I've had a women in
my practice who are abused whose husband buys husbands buy
them expensive purses but will not allow them access to cash.
And when I say to the husbands, you know she
she needs to go to the grocery store. She needs
the shop, he goes, well, he gave her purses. So
persons here in southern California are a very common thing
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for men to give to women to have control over them.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
The conspiracy theorists online saluting has exploded, literally dozens and
dozens of theories.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
How do you know that this is in somebody's setting
up David?
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Why?
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Why would anyone want to frame him? That's crazy talking.
Speaker 12 (22:31):
This model sends a notification to cell phone whenever the
fronk the front trunk is open for more than ten minutes.
If someone was loading Celeste's body into the car and
it took more than ten minutes, Burke could have received
a notification and this notification could be found on his
phone by law enforcement.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
The tesla model y belonging to Burke, David Anthony Burke,
the artist known as David. It looks like d Join
me now, Scott Iiker, who has actually performed experiments with
a tesla. Founding member FBI Cellular Analysis SERVE a team,
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former police officer, homicide detective with Norfolk, Virginia, currently Precision
Cellular Analysis.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Scott, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Explain what you learned about this tesla other than the
fact that the trunk is open over ten minutes, an
alert is sent by text or email to the owner.
Speaker 14 (23:33):
Yeah, and the tesla, as we have talked Abora before,
has numerous cameras on it so that you get these
alerts when the trunk is open, or the front trunk
trunk they call it the fronk. And there's a small
area in front of in the front of the car
there in the front that you can put baggages or groceries.
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That's what I use it for. But in this in
this case, you know, her body was found inside the
front of this of the tesla. It's a very small
area and you can see some of the pictures. Is
my daughter here?
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Is that's your re enact?
Speaker 14 (24:16):
Okay, yes, yes, ma'am, that's my daughter. She's about one
hundred pounds, so it's pretty tight in there for her.
But as if you know, if the victim in this case,
with Celeste, you know she's already deceased, they're more foldable
and bendable at that point in time.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Scott Iiker, how tall was your daughter?
Speaker 14 (24:40):
Five pounds?
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Okay, that's generally the same size as Celeste, generally speaking.
Let's see that shot again.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
We also know.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
That Celest's body was in a bag, which that's a
whole another can of worms for Jeffrey Gentry, our blood
pattern analyst.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
But back to Scott.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Iiker regarding the Tesla, Celeste was dismembered, okay, which means
that although we don't know the specifics of the dismemberment yet,
that could have made it much easy, made it much
easier to put her body in the trunk since she
(25:24):
was dismembered. What were you saying about the degree of
rigor or life or mortis?
Speaker 1 (25:31):
What were you saying about that?
Speaker 14 (25:33):
Yeah, as I said, she's as she's if she's dead,
she's more foldable or manipulable in our body, so could
fit into that small area of the trunk of the Tesla.
And there's numerous cameras all around that.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Also, I'm curious about that on USB that goes into
the Tesla that does all the recording, and the recordings
are stored on the USB. Would the car star art
if someone had removed the USB.
Speaker 14 (26:03):
Yes, it will, it will start, and it's just not
going to save any data the recordings from the cameras.
The USB is really just there to save the pictures
and the recordings.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Also, Scott is almost a three hundred and sixty degree
video of the surroundings of the car.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
What all would the cameras catch?
Speaker 14 (26:23):
They catch numerous aspects the front, back, inside of views
of the camera. And this is me reenacting bringing a
bag to the front of the car, opening the hood,
placing that bag into that front area, that little space
that we saw earlier, and then showing as you can see,
that's the dash camera in front of the car and
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right by the mirror, and it's facing right down the
front of the car, so anybody coming to the front
of that car will get viewed pretty clearly as you
can see. And then there's cameras on each side of
the car and the rear of the car too.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Melissa, how many days passed from let's just go with
the last time she was cited in August to the
day that her body was discovered.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
I believe it was about eleven days.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Eleven days, Okay.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Doctor Kendall Crown's are joining me, Chief Medical Examiner, Terrance County.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
That's fort Worth.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
He is an esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of
Medicine at TCU, and he is now the star of
a hit podcast Mayhem in the morgue, Doctor Crowns, how
would rigor mortis or lever mortis affect the foldability of
Celeste's body? And how can we tell by looking at
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the body what instrument was used to dismember her?
Speaker 11 (27:53):
All right, so let's start with rigamortis. Rigamortis is basically
the stiffening of the body after death that you sets
in within a couple of hours up to six hours
after death, lasts about a day or two before it disappears.
So when it initially sets in, the body is very
stiff and it can make it very hard to bend
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the body. But if you force enough, you can still
bend the arms and the legs and even fold the
person in half. Then once you break the riggor, it
can't set back in. So we'll make it difficult.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Sloot down, slow down, doctor Kennel, Crowns, you're speaking to
mere mortals like myself. We're not all medical geniuses. You
just said something about I can't even repeat what you said,
but I can ask a question. Isn't it true that
after a period of hours rigor where you stiffen like
(28:50):
a boor's like cracking it? Two by four and a
half to fold a body like the legs or the
arms that are in rigor. After a period of hours,
rigors and the body again becomes malleable, isn't it true?
Speaker 11 (29:03):
Yeah, after about a day or two, the rigor will
actually disappear. Starts in the small muscles first and goes
to a larger one, So it only lasts about a
day or two before it's gone. But you can break
the rigor by pushing on the arms or the extremities
and folding them along the joint spaces. You're able to
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still break the rigor, and you can fold the person
into a suitcase or a trunk or whatever if you
need to.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Kendall Crowns, how long does it take, what's the body,
what's the person's kill for riger to set in?
Speaker 11 (29:37):
About two to six hours. It starts in these smaller
muscles first, like your jaw muscles, and then spreads to
the larger muscles at the end.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Okay, so you know what that says to me, Doctor
Kendll Crowns. I think that who ever dismembered her did
it very quickly after she was killed, before rigor had
set in. And again, doctor Kendall Crowns, how can we
look at her body? Of course it will be microscopic
and a microscopic investigation to look at the actual tissue.
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Let's just pretend that the body was severed at the knee.
Let's just pretend you take the severed limb and you
put it under a microscope at the point of severance,
and you look at those microscopic cells of the leg.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Then you look at the bone.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
How can you determine what type of tool was used
to sever this child's body?
Speaker 11 (30:41):
So what you can do is if be used as
saw or something along those lines. This song has the
little teeth in it, they will actually leave kind of
hash marks in the bone as they're sawing through the
bone that can be looked at and then be used
as a comparison back to what is the alleged instrument
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used to dismember the body. So you can do a
basically a comparison analysis of the marks on the bones
compared back to the instrument that was used to do
the dismembering. A tissue itself, the tissue tearing all that,
there is no way to really look at that and
know if it was a saw or not, but you
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can kind of get an idea of how rough the
tissue looks is did they use a knife, because the
wounds will be cleaner than if they used a saw,
which will be more ragged. But it is actually the
bones themselves. When you look at those, you can kind
of get an idea of the tool and actually do
a tool mark comparison with the bones to the actual tool.
Speaker 12 (31:42):
Law enforcement saying it's very likely her body was in
Bert's tesla for several weeks. The remains were severely decomposed, dismembered,
and found wrapped in a bag. There has been no
comment about how the body was dismembered, no indication if
a knife, saw, ax, or anything else was used, but
whatever was used to remember the team, there will be
tool marks left behind to provide a way to identify
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what was used and possibly link them back to the killer.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace as we go to air tonight.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
David Anthony Burke aka David aka D four VD, who
by the way, his music is.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Through the Roof on Spotify.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Amazing the irony that said he is radio silent, although
we are learning he's going on social media and monitoring
Reddit users everybody posting about Celeste's murder, and.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
He is trying to control the narrative as it relates
to him, So he's not totally quiet.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
He can go online and do that, but not mention
a word of condolence. Speaking of remaining silent, did he
not notice the list wasn't there? Did nobody say hey,
we're the list? Apparently not because she was never reported
missing by either him or her parents. Yeah, digest that
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for a minute.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Nor was his car reported stolen?
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Interesting, right, That's called circumstantial evidence. And again Burke is innocent.
As we go to air tonight, but still no word
from Burke again, Radio silent. I want to circle back
to Scott Aiker joining US a forensics expert. Iiker, I
want to see the video of you again carrying the
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bag to the tesla in which you performed multiple experiments
the bag, the bag. I want to go to Jeffrey Gentry,
joining US Forensics. Certified bloodstained pattern Analysts, senior crime scene
analysts and death investigator.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Author of forensic science.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Applications to death and crime scene investigations, author of bloodstain
pattern analysis, author of death investigations. Information to obtain during
a forensic death investigation. Can we talk one moment gentry
about my beloved trash bags. Oh, how I love them?
Why because they're so easy to lift prints from.
Speaker 10 (34:29):
Explain they are very easy to lift prints if you
know what you're doing. You can use superglue techniques where
you can put the bag in a controlled environment. There
are multiple different enhancement techniques where you can actually get
usable fingerprints from plastic bags. And you might even want
to consider obtaining DNA from these bags as well, so
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you might be able to figure out who was handling
the bags either before they were filled with body parts
or during the process, or when they're being put inside
of the vehicle.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Veteran defense attorney Joanna and he of us joining us
from this jurisdiction. Joanna, I guess you would argue with
a straight face that, hey, if his fingerprints are on
that bag, that means nothing.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
This bag was probably from his home.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
Oh, it would be with.
Speaker 5 (35:16):
A straight face, because I think we need a lot
more before we can tie him to this app First
of all, we haven't even established the manner of death
or the time of death, and so we.
Speaker 6 (35:26):
Don't know if an actual murder was committed.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
This could this be a situation where there's this alternate
theory where maybe she's engaged in some drug activity.
Speaker 6 (35:36):
Od's passes, you.
Speaker 5 (35:38):
Know, fall dead in front of someone, maybe not even David,
and they panic, and of course and maybe they're stupor
they with lacking judgment decide to get rid of the
body and dismember it.
Speaker 6 (35:52):
Not the best decision, but it could have been a
panic state.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
And I think that's why right now nobody hasn't been
named yet as the primary suspect in this, because we
have to establish what actually happened to her first.
Speaker 6 (36:06):
And then we can get to not whose fingerprints were.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
On the back We don't. I don't know why you're
saying that put her up.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Let me jog your memory, refresh your recollection, as we
say in court, with a little photo. Do you recognize
this person? Do you recognize her? Joe Ananievis. That's Lacy Peterson.
Her body, along with the body of her little boy,
her unborn child, Connor, washed up on the shore of
(36:35):
San Francisco Bay near the marina where her husband was
fishing on Christmas Eve. We never got a cod on her,
did we, But yet there was a murder conviction. Let's
try another photo. Look at this person. Do you recognize her?
Her name is Suzanne Morphew Joe Annievius.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
We don't have her cood either.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Her bones were buried my and miles and miles away
from home, but her bike was found not too far
from her home.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Her helmet in another area.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Her husband suggested a wild animal did at a mountain lion. Okay,
here's another photo. Do you recognize this woman? Her name
is Anna Walsh.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Her body's never been found, But all of those cases
are going forward. Joan, any of us just because you
can get rid of a cod cause of death. That's
not me. You're walking free.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Melissa McCarty joining us, investigative reporter, host of Killer Jeans
and author of the Making of a Crime reporter who
I can assure you knows where her dogs are at
this hour. Melissa, tell me about the search of D
fourvd's mansion.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
Right, so, the house in the Hollywood Hills.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
It was least under his manager's name, but we know
that LAPD during the investigation, they issued a search war
and they were taking out electronics in looking for blood traces,
anything that could piece together some kind of forensic connection
between the two of those.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
Did a homicide take place? In the house.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Was it a location number one, location number two? But
they did go search the house. What they found, it's
not been revealed yet.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
This is from our friend Harvey Levin at TMZEE. Jeffrey
Gentry following up on what Melissa McCarty just stated.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
She said they were looking for blood evidence.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
What specifically were they looking for and how would luminol
play into that.
Speaker 10 (38:31):
Lumino is a chemical that can be used to detect
blood that's not visible with the naked eye. So I've
used in many cases, and it's on areas that are
either dark or areas that have been cleaned up. So
if I were in that home looking, I would search
in areas where I think a body has been dismembered.
And keep in mind that when you're dismembering a body,
if you don't know what you're doing, you're going to
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make a mess for sure. So I would be looking
in areas like bathrooms. I would be looking outside like
on patios. I'd be looking in garages. You spray this
chemical and under dark conditions, it will light up, so
it's going to tell you where that dismemberment occurred, if
it was inside the house or on the back patio.
It's a very useful technique. And then after you've sprayed
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this chemical, if you're using the right one, you can
actually swab it for DNA to confirm that there was
blood there at one point. Because keep in mind, after
several days weeks, that stuff is going to get cleaned up,
and this somebody does a good job. It's not going
to be really visible with the naked eye. But this
chemical is perfect for enhancing bloodstains so that you can
see them, document them, and.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Then collect DNA gentry.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
You know what I love cast off And when I
say cast off, I mean, for instance, if you stab
someone and sling back blood minute particles are tasked off
of your weapon and we'll hit the wall or the ceiling,
or we don't know where. And when looking for blood
(39:57):
at a crime saying, not only do you use alumino,
as Jeffrey Jesuy accurately described, you look for blood in
very odd places, like on the ceiling, at the tops
of the walls, places where you would not find Celeste
blood normally, like if she cut her legs shaving in
the tub, you would expect to find blood there, but
(40:18):
not on the ceiling and not at.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
The tops of the walls, not on.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
The curtains, and the type of blood matters.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Is it a dot?
Speaker 2 (40:29):
You look at the way it runs, is it running large?
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Here?
Speaker 2 (40:35):
The trails off here, which will tell you the direction
in which it was cast off. It's an art, It's
a science and an art. And I just pray they
get all that evidence, if there is any, before the
home is professionally cleaned or repainted. If you know or
you think you know anything about this case, have you
(40:58):
been called in as a professional clean Have you been
called into David Burke's mansion to repaint, to strip up carpet,
Please dial this number two one three four eight six six'
eight nine zero repeat two one three four eight.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Six six' eight. Nine zero we Remember an.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
American Hero Detative, Isaiah Emonizer Northern York County, Regional, police
pennsylvania shot in the line of duty after twenty years,
of service leaving behind, grieving Wife a loona and two.
Beautiful children American Hero Detative Isaiah Emaniser nancy gray signing off,
(41:43):
goodbye friend
Host
Nancy Grace
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