September 6, 2024 • 41 mins
Eight unsealed warrants are giving new insights into the investigation of Sade Robinson’s murder. Newly released surveillance images show Sade meeting Anderson at the Twisted Fisherman for their date. The warrants also reveal police are reviewing employment records and surveillance from Victor’s nightclub. Anderson reportedly worked at Victor’s, a club that one of Sade’s coworkers says they frequented. Investigators are trying to determine how Sade met Maxwell Anderson.
Also, a friend of Anderson’s is now working with law enforcement as a confidential informant. The CI tells investigators in early March, Anderson spoke of a plan to lure Sade Robinson to his home, then force her into the basement at gunpoint, where he would shoot her, then dismember her body and scatter the remains. The CI says Anderson showed him the basement, where Anderson had taped plastic paint protectors to the walls and floor. The CI says there were three saws in the prepped basement.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Sheena Scarbrough - Sade’s Mom
- Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst, Author, "Deal Breaker," also featured in hit show: "Paris in Love" on Peacock, https://www.drbethanymarshall.com/, Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, Twitter:@DrBethanyLive
- Brian Fitzgibbons - Director of Operations for USPA Nationwide Security, Leads a team of investigators specializing in locating missing persons, uspasecurity.com, Instagram: @uspa_nationwide_security, fmr. Marine and Iraq war veteran
- Dr. Kendall Crowns - Chief Medical Examiner Tarrant County, Lecturer: Burnett School of Medicine at TCU (Texas Christian University)
- Aaron Maybin - Anchor/Reporter, Fox 6, Milwaukee (WITI) website: https://www.fox6now.com/ Instagram is @a.maybin FB AaronMaybinTV/
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
A dating app Shade Robinson, just nineteen, dismembered, went on
a date with the wrong man. I'm Nancy Grace. This
is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
The search for Shade Robinson's remains continue. Shade's right leg,
left foot, torso, and one of her arms were found
scattered around Milwaukee more than a month after her death.
A second arm washed up on a Wakegan, Illinois beach.
It has now been confirmed as Shade's through DNA testing.
Shade's head and right leg are still missing, preventing her
(00:46):
family from laying her to rest.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
They can't even have a funeral because they don't have
all of their daughter. In the last hours, we learn
that LA law enforcement is honing in on dating apps.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I mean, if dating.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Apps had anything to do with this teen girl's murder
and dismemberment, then they need to be outlawed. I don't
like saying that, but how many cases do we hear
about where women, young ladies, teen girls like Shadai go
on a date engineered by a dating app and.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
They're never seen alive again. Joining me right now.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Is a very special guest, a woman I now consider
a friend, Sheena Scarborough.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
This is shaw Dat's mother.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Missus Scarborough. This morning when my twins love to go
to school. You know, they're just a couple of years
younger than Shawda. I watched my daughter walk out, and
I knew that tonight I was going to be speaking
with you, and my stomach just just just seized up.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
I just.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
How do you keep putting one foot in front of
the other.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I mean, this girl.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Was everything, so smart, had her own little apartment that
she paid for by herself, had her own little car,
was going to college class.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
It's the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Oh yes, Nancy, this is so.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
Challenging daily, I don't know how I'm doing it.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
I'm walking and shunny spirit and in her grace, I
am her voice.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
I have to speak an advocate through her for others.
This is not something that just like pulled up. It happened.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
This is a waking nightmare. Daily.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Every day I'll wake up. I can't believe what is
taking place. I am Shutty Robinson's mother. This is very ongoing,
the tragic. My baby was my everything. She's my light,
she's my star. She was so amazingly beautiful, like you
stated she was so independent, so sufficient, She had her
(03:17):
whole life ahead of her.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
She worked two jobs. She was dedicated.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
She was strong, two full time jobs the pizza shuttle.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
She was ranked up to manager. She started working in
the tenth grade.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Was ongoing getting promoted dollar raises every six months, so
they wanted her to be manager. She worked at the
Wisconsin Club part time, the Wisconsin Country Club. She got
her little sister a job there. That was her little
sister's first job. This has been traumatic and ongoing.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
She was she was scheduled. She did receive her Associate
of Arts degree in May.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Nancy, everything has been back to back since the last
time I've seen you from the Maxwell Anderson. That hard
and hurt my baby. I want that individual and this
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family held fully accountable. This is unacceptable behavior. My daughter
can not Deserboro.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
I just wanted to tell you that in the last days,
his lawyer has demanded that he have a laptop behind bars.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
He can kiss my rear end if he's going.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
To get a private laptop behind bars. Miss Garborough, I'm
seeing you and you have definitely you're wasting away. You
just I can look at you and you have lost
so much weight. You're wasting away. How are you managing
(05:02):
to go forward?
Speaker 4 (05:03):
I can't sleep, Nancy, I can't eat. I'm doing ongoing,
you know, therapy alone with my youngest daughter.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
I have.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Symptoms, physical symptoms. I don't mean to get in death,
but I don't share this a lot. But since this
has happened, I'm very empathic, and I've always been like this.
I can literally feel the symptoms of what this person
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did to my daughter. I literally don't move the same
way physically. It's a lot of different layers of things
going on with my physical wealth. I can't describe it,
but I don't know. Nancy is through. It is very challenging.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Guys joining me in addition to Miss Sheena Scarborough, who
is Shade's mother, who has vowed to be her daughter's
voice throughout all of this, we are still on the
search for parts of Shade's body, but we are learning
in the last days that police are focusing now on
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various dating apps as to how this teen girl met
up with a much much older man. The defendant his
dad highly highly successful. His dad has a big local
business who employed him briefly before he was let go.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Maxwell Anderson, thirty three years old.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
I don't know what he said to her on this
dating app to make her think that it was okay
to go with him. But we're not only learning about
a potential dating app cant, but we're also learning about
an alleged CI, a confidential informant that claims this guy,
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Maxwell Anderson told him the CI that he was going
to lure shaw Day, take her to the basement, shoot her,
and dismember her. Now, who the hey knows something like
that and does nothing But regarding these newly released warrants, listen.
Speaker 6 (07:32):
Eight unsealed warrants are giving new insights into the investigation
of shaw De Robinson's murder. Newly released surveillance images show
Shawde meeting Anderson at the Twisted Fishermen for their date.
The warrants also reveal police or reviewing employment records and
surveillance from Victor's nightclub. Anderson reportedly worked at Victor's, a
club that one of Shawde's coworkers as they frequented. Investigators
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are trying to determine how Shawde met Anderson.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Joining US now investigative reporter and anchor at Fox six Milwaukee, Aaron.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Mabon, Aarin thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
I've got so much evidence is being uncovered right now,
specifically as it relates to what we've discovered in those
just unsealed search warrants.
Speaker 7 (08:16):
What have you learned, well, I think the search warrants
it's very clear, Nancy. What the search warrants say is
that this was a planned situation according to this informant
who came out days after all this kind of was revealed.
This person came out afterwards and let investigators know that
they went inside Maxwell Anderson's home. They saw three saws
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in there, they saw tarp in there too, and they
had information that this was going to happen. And what's
really fascinating, Nancy is then nothing came out until after
the death. That's what a lot of people find really
chilling in these unsealed search warrants too. So you know
a lot of people that we talked about.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Wait a minute, let me understand something. Aaron Maybon joining us
fought six Milwaukee. So the sea I, the friend of
the defendant Maxwell Anderson, goes into Anderson's home and he
sees all this before Shade is murdered.
Speaker 7 (09:15):
That's what the search warren say that this was seen
before Shade was murdered, and this CI had information never
came forward.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Shade Robinson goes missing.
Speaker 7 (09:28):
Maxwell Anderson is a prime suspect, and then the CI
informs police about what they allegedly saw inside of that home.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Well, you're absolutely correct, Aaron Mayban listen.
Speaker 8 (09:39):
Maxwell Anderson had a sex dungeon in the basement of
his West Milwaukee home. According to a law enforcement source,
Cops found a sex sling restraints in handcuffs. A close
friend of Anderson said that on a visit to Anderson's
home last year, he noticed a large hole in the
ground that was about five feet long by six foot deep.
Anderson said he was working on an un ground basement,
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despite having a large basement in the home already. Neighbors
say the basement in the home had small windows that
were always covered so you could not see inside.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace, So this so called friend
ciconditional informant knew that all of this was going to happen.
Based on what you're learning from the warrants, Aaron Maybin
had Shade, a teen girl already been targeted as the victim.
Speaker 7 (10:38):
You know what the warrant looks like. Nancy is that
he planned on killing Shade Robinson. According to this search warrant,
and again, Maxwell Anderson has not said anything. Attorney not
saying a thing either, And that's just you know, what
we're reading in here is some pretty chilling stuff. But
what's not clear Nancy is why exactly she was picked out,
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why exactly she was targeted, And that's what family is
likely wanted to know too.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Okay, So from what I'm understanding, he actually targeted Shahday specifically.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
He wasn't going to lure.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
A woman, any woman, to his home, take her down
the stairs into the basement, murder and dismember her. It
was Shaday specifically that he wanted.
Speaker 9 (11:26):
Listen, a friend of Anderson's is now working with law
enforcement as a confidential informant. The CI tells investigators in
early March, Anderson spoke of a plan to lure Shande
Robinson to his home, then forced her into the basement
at gunpoint, where he would shoot her, then dismember her
body and scatter her remains. The CI says Anderson showed
in the basement where Anderson had taped plastic paint protectors
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to the walls and floor. The CI says there were
three saws in the prepfed basement.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Brian Fitzgibbons help me.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Brian Fitzgibbons, director of Operations for USPA Nationwide Security who
leads a team of investigators often looking for missing people. Brian,
did you hear what a reporter with Crime Online just
stated that the CI talk about a day late and
(12:17):
a dollar short. The friend of Anderson's spoke of Anderson's
plan to lure Shahday specifically.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Not just I'm going to get a woman and I'm
going to do X Y and Z. It was Shahday.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
He wanted then to quote force her into the basement
at gunpoint, where he would shoot her and dismember her
and scatter the remains. And he had prepped it like
a spider with a fly. Anderson tape plastic paint protectors
to the walls and floor.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
What about it, Nancy?
Speaker 10 (12:50):
This speaks to the diabolical premeditation that took place here, okay,
And it also speaks to the circs that Anderson was
running in the fact that, nearly a month before Shahde
went missing, this confidential informant knew specifically about Anderson's plans,
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specifically with her.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
Okay.
Speaker 10 (13:15):
So aside from the evidentiary value of this confidential informance
witness statement, you need to it adds a tremendous amount
of color to the life that Maxwell Anderson was leading.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Okay, see you know what, Fitz Gibbons, you're talking in
your USPA Nationwide Security Code all right, speak regular people talk.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
What did you just say about the color in which
his environment was painted? What are you saying? I think
what you're saying. Let me just be so bold as
to climb out on a limar that.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Look at the people he's consorting with.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
People that you say, Hey, I'm going to get this girl,
this teen girl, Shahdai, she's gore, she's brilliant. I'm going
to get her and lure her into my basement at gunpoint,
force her down there. I'm going to kill her and
then I'm going to dismember her and leave her body
parts around town for people to find.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
And this guy does nothing.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Man, I'd have been on my cell phone as soon
as I got clear of that house.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Is that what you're saying to s Gibbon speak English
to me, man, that is exactly what I'm saying. So
March fifth.
Speaker 10 (14:30):
This conversation with the confidential informant and Anderson takes place,
and he doesn't come forward well over a month and
still thirteen days after Shade was missing. You know, this
speaks clearly to the type of people that Anderson was
associating with.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
But why her?
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Why did he target this teen girl, this beautiful girl?
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Why shaw Day?
Speaker 11 (14:58):
I'm come here today.
Speaker 12 (15:00):
This is the hardest thing I would ever have to
do in my life to speak Shaddy's voice.
Speaker 11 (15:05):
Shaddy was a beautiful soul. She was an amazing girl. Nancy,
everything he spoke is exactly what my daughter exerted. I
couldn't have asked for any better daughter.
Speaker 12 (15:19):
There was things my daughter did that many adults were
not even able to accomplished in their life times.
Speaker 11 (15:27):
The son of a took fun daughter from me.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
That's Shade's mother, She and and Scarborough. She's with us now,
missus Scarborough, thank you for speaking out. I mean from
when we spoke then to now. I was looking at
you on camera before we started our program, and when
you pull your hair back.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
I could just see how much weight you have lost.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
And now when we are what we're learning from these
search warrants that he didn't planning to pick any woman
to murder.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
He targeted shaw Day.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Why Nancy, I I don't know why my daughter was
chosen to be the voice to speak for individuals in
our community, and Milwaukee is very concerning. Milwaukee is a
well known place for other serial killers known as you
(16:30):
know Dahmer and other type of situations. I feel very
unsafe in Milwaukee right now. I'm concerned. As you stated,
your your baby's just started school. My baby, her youngest
sister just started school as well.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Today. I'm concerned for my baby, my youngest.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
It's a feeling, It's an edge, anxiety, anxious, constant feeling
knowing that there are serial killers in our community.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
This could have been any one of our daughters.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
I don't know why God selected us to BEAUTI voice
to speak for the other missing and murdered individuals in
our community.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned psycho Alla, is joining us out
of LA, author of the book deal Breaker. You can
see her also on Peacock Now, doctor Bethany Marshall at
doctor Bethany Marshall dot com, Doctor Bethany Why shaw Day.
I'm going to get into whole dating app thing in
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just a moment. Because this CI, this friend is blowing
me away. He goes to the perps time who is
a rich, spoiled brat suspect.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
He's had a silver spoon in his mouth. It's day one.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
But even if Daddy Keith didn't keep him at the office,
he had to let him go. I can only imagine this. Oh,
I can't even stand a look at him. Why Shunday,
Why did he have to pick a teen girl?
Speaker 13 (18:06):
I have a theory about why shut A. Shud A
is gorgeous, young, successful, She already has her AA, two jobs,
her own apartment. She is at the top of the world,
and compare her to this loser who can't even hold
a job in his own father's company. I bet he
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was envious of her, kind of like in cells where
they want to be with the woman.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
They envy the woman.
Speaker 13 (18:33):
They think the woman is above them, but they.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Want to take the woman down.
Speaker 13 (18:38):
So there's destructive a envy, there's destructive hatred. I bet
he had a lot of targets, but she just rose
to the top in terms of his selection.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
And this CI Nancy.
Speaker 13 (18:49):
I bet we're going to learn that Maxwell Anderson was
a part of some underground either drug community or sex community.
And there are more people that knew than just the CI.
He wasn't just bragging to one person. He was either
a part of a BDSM community, a swinger's community, some
community with some perversion like pedophilia, or something that they
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all held in comment on.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
There's going to be a lot.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Yes, talked to Ethne before I speculate or you lead
me down the garden path about underground sex clubs. Can
I talk about what I absolutely know because I can't
put your speculation no offense in front of a jury.
I care about probate effects. If I can't get him
into evidence, they don't exist to me. But what I
(19:35):
can get into evidence is what I have discovered of
these search warrants. I'm going to go back to Aaron
Maybon on that regarding dating apps that he was using
and how Shade ends up dead and it's.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Not the first time this has happened. Listen.
Speaker 9 (19:53):
Sidney Loof agrees to meet her tender date Audrey again
tomorrow night, sharing with friends how excited she is. A
man is driving. Audrey picked Sydney up, but Sydney still
gets in the car. The next day Sidney misses work
and isn't answering her phone. Sidney's friend finds Audrey on tender,
who police identify as Bailey Boswell. A month later, parts
of Sydney's dismembered body are found discarded in thirty gallon
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trash bags. Trail admits to accidentally strangling Sidney while forcing
her to participate in a porn film.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
I met her on a Tuesday.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
I went to take her home and she asked me
to drop her off at a friend's house, so I
did so.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
I gave her my number.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
We were planning to go to the casino that weekend.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
I mean, I haven't heard from her since.
Speaker 9 (20:42):
Footage from inside the unfinished basement the police have called
a sex dungeon shows it's in disarray. A large hole
has been dug in the concrete floor, A drain in
the floor is stuff with towels. The drink cover marked
with evidence numbers. A door without a handle leads to
a dark closet, and there are several tables, a chair
and exercise of women. The mattress of a queen bed
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frame is flipped on its side, and betting is tossed
over a table in the corner of the room.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
You are seeing video we have obtained of the so
called sex dungeon and the defendant's basement. He was digging
another dungeon beneath that. The thought of this beautiful girl,
Shade Robinson dying here, being dismembered here, her last moments
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spent in the basement of a spoiled brat thirty three
year old Maxwell Anderson with me is Chade's mother, Sheena Scarborough.
I don't know if you have seen the footage of
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that basement. It's filthy, it's dug up, it's covered in debris.
And this.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Defendant picked shah D out of all the women in
the area.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
To lure her down to that filthy basement to murder her.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
I just don't understand why her. Have you seen that basement?
Speaker 4 (22:27):
It discusses me, Nancy, my daughter, to not deserve this.
This is unsurreal, This is freaking unsurreal.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
Like I don't know how we.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Were placing this nightmare by this demon, okay demon, and
I don't want to go there. But there's no other
terminology for individuals that move like this, sociopaths, psycho paths,
like type energy.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
Again, like I.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Speaking upon what the individual stated earlier, my daughter was
very highly achievable successful. I don't know what the motive
would have been. I don't know how to feel paths,
the cycle paths think like this is unsurreal. But this
is very concerning for the Milwaukee community. All individuals and
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parents in the community. You need to be concerned about
your kids right, be concerned where they're at. Shady's voice
will be heard, and I'm speaking out for all of
the other missing individuals, not just the black and brown,
but the missing individuals. There are a young man, there
are other individuals of all colors. We represent all missing
individuals that.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
Have not been found.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Aaron may have been joining me now, investigative reporter and
anchor Fox six in Milwaukee. I want to talk about
how and figure out how he identified Shade. And I'm
not quite sure probatively speaking, why this matters so much
to me that he picked her out, And I'm thinking
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he left a trail digitally on his computer, on his laptop,
on his cell phone. But Victor's bar plays a role
in this, and remind me to circle back because I
think there's a similar transaction. A woman that claims she
went on a date with him and believes that he
drugged her or put.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Something in her drink.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Okay, just to start with that, because I'm wondering and
I'm going to go to medical examiner, doctor Kendall Crown's
on whether we can determine anything like that was in
Shi Dai's system, even though we don't have all of
her body yet. But I think digitally and forensically, it's
very important to prove how the two connected, not just
a matter of my own curiosity why pick her, but probatively,
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what can I tell a jury, Aaron, What am I
going to learn digitally? What footprint did he lead as
to how he stalked her? And what part did Victor's
Bar play in this? Did he work at Victor's Bar?
Speaker 7 (25:07):
Yeah, we know that he did work at Victor's Bar,
and that's what we kind of knew from the jump,
that he was this guy who worked at different bars,
different restaurants around the area, and Victors was one of
those places. It's not clear exactly when exactly shot A.
Robinson came into contact with Maxwell Anderson at Victors, but
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that was part of the story really early on Nancy,
that he was this bartender, this bouncer at Victors and
kind of well known in that area, in that vicinity too,
And it could have been a place, according to investigators,
where he met girls where he interacted with them too.
So that's kind of where police are honing in on things.
(25:50):
And not only Victor's Bar, but and you touched on
this earlier. Dating apps are playing a role in all
this too, in this digital footprint. According to a search warrant,
he had at least dating apps on his phone. You know,
not too unpopular for someone in their twenties and thirties, Nancy,
because you know the game has changed. People are meeting
in person, but they're also meeting on dating apps.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
You're right.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Brian Fitzgibbons, Director Operations, USPA Nationwide Security, Brian, how many cases?
Speaker 1 (26:20):
And I've told a Minia jury this.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
People covet that which they see, Okay, like David and Mathsheba.
For Pete's sake, he looks off as ruthin there she
is so he has her husband murdered.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
It's as old as the story can be.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
And here there he is working in that bar, got
fired from his daddy's business, and he sees shaw Day
and she is his target. And he tells his friend,
I'm going to get her, not like I'm gonna woo her,
and I'm going to treat her like a queen. And
you know one day we'll be Oh no, I'm going
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to get her. I'm going to allure her right here
to this house. I'm going to take her down to
that base, and I'm going to kill her. Now that's
what I think happened. How can I prove it? How
can I prove it?
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Fitz Gibbons.
Speaker 10 (27:13):
I think most likely their first interaction was at Victor's
And then we're hopeful that investigators through these dating apps,
through these profiles are going to find that probative evidence
that you're looking for to prove Andersen's targeting.
Speaker 14 (27:28):
Okay, just to watch his targeting and see it unfold digitally.
Cops are also honing in on Anderson's dating app activity.
A folder in Anderson's home labeled dating contained handwritten logins
to bumble, hinge, OkCupid, and Tender. Those notes also contained
women's names and information about them. A woman who went
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on a date with Anderson in February is convinced he
drugged her drink.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Is there a similar transaction?
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Are there other women out there that interacted with this guy,
Maxwell Anderson that lived to tell the tale, or are
there other women who became his murder victims. We're trying
to piece together everything we know. Joining me right now,
Doctor Kendall Crowns, renowned chief medical Examiner, Terrance County Lecturer
(28:19):
at the esteemed Burnett School of Medicine at TCU, Texas
Christian University, Doctor Kendall Crowns, thank you for being with
us and let me hit you right off the top.
Have you ever analyzed a dismemberment case?
Speaker 15 (28:36):
Yes, over the years, I've analyzed several dismemberment cases in
my career.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
How will we be able to tell whether these injuries
to shade happened pre mortem or after death post mortem?
Speaker 15 (28:49):
So there's a couple of ways to tell. Usually, when
someone is alive and they're shot or stabbed, they will
be hemorrhage into the tissues surrounding the injuries. The heart
stops beating these injuries. These tissues won't have the hemorrhage
in them if you cause further damage, So if you're
cutting a limb off or something like that, the cut
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area will be bloodless. So that's one way you can
tell it. The only problem is is when those limbs
get thrown into water or get rained on something like that,
the water can actually wash the blood out of the tissues,
so it will make it kind of hard to tell
if it happened pre mortem or post mortem. But the
one main thing is is you can look for hemorrhage
in the tissue.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
I got to understand what you just said, doctor Kendall Crowns.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
You said to tell if the injuries, the dismemberment occurred
before death or after death, that you would look for
hemorrhaging at the sight of the semmer where the limb
was cut, where the leg was cut off.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Now what does that mean?
Speaker 14 (29:54):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Did at that point.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
Was she?
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Did? She bleed? She did not bleed. It was postmortem
after death because the heart was no longer pumping.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
Is that what you just said, Yes, that's correct.
Speaker 11 (30:07):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Then you said if the body parts, which is a
leg or an arm, had been in water or rained upon,
it would destroy that evidence. In other words, you won't
be able to see even under a microscope if there
had been hemorrhaging, in other words, bleeding.
Speaker 15 (30:23):
Is that what you just said, Yes, that's correct. The
water will wash out the blood out of the tissues
as it's in them, is it's in a watery environment
for a long period of time.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Many of these body parts of this gorgeous girl were
left out in the open, Aaron Maybin very quickly investigating
reporter Fox six Milwaukee.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Her body parts of this girl were left all over
and that was his plan.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
He told the CI his friend, like the devil can
have a friend, he tells his friend that he's going
to lure her, take her down into the basement ie
sex dungeon looks like a filthy basement in me, kill
her and then dismember her and leave her body parts
all over town.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
That was his original plan. Aaron Mabon, isn't that true?
Speaker 7 (31:25):
And Nancy, when you look at the map that we're
looking at right now, that's something because you have to
realize that those body parts were left or other people
to find. So people walking on the beach and they
just find a severed arm. They're walking through their neighborhood
near a playground, Nancy, and they are finding body parts too.
So yeah, according to the CI, that was a goal
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to dismember the body. Sprinkle it throughout town. We know
from police that there's surveillance evidence of him on different
bus routes him all over town. And they have piece
it together like this right here with the bat. They
pieced it together that he was just dumping body parts
all over the place.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
One part even left.
Speaker 7 (32:06):
The state of Wisconsin. It went to Illinois and washed
down the shore to Illinois where someone else found that
body part.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Maybon, Maybon, you're actually making my stomach physically hurt right now.
You're actually making my stomach hurt. Doctor hold on, Doctor
Kendall Crowns, because I got to talk to you about
how difficult it is to actually dismember someone, and how
I'm telling you this ain't this guy's first time at
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the rodeo, all right, because he planned this whole thing out. Hold,
doctor Crowns, Doctor Bethany Marshall, you gotta help me right now,
because this was his plan all along to get this girl,
not any girl, shah Day as I said, the jewel
in the crown, the gorgeous girl sitting at his bar
at Victor's, he gets, sir, and all along he told
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his friend up front he's going to get her her
take her in the basement a gunpoint, kill her and
dismever her and put her body parts all over town.
Speaker 11 (33:06):
What is that?
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Why would he put this girl's body parts where other
people can find them.
Speaker 13 (33:13):
You know what's interesting, Nancy, is he doesn't seem to
be scattering her remains in order to not be ided.
He's scattering them because he wants to have power over
the community.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
He wants to terrify and terrorize everybody. Big guys, I
don't even know what you're saying. He wanted to have
power over the community, terrify the community, right now, that's
not what happened. I'm not but I know he didn't
do this to have power over the community. I've never
even heard anything like that.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
But this reminds me.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
See a freak. He is a devil straight from hell.
That's why he did it. But there's got to be
most killers, Bethany. They want to hide the body. They
bury it, they put it in the ocean, they weigh
it down with semit Brooks, like Scott Peters and did Lacy.
This guy left her remains in public parks for children
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to find.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Now straight that focus focus, Well, I.
Speaker 13 (34:11):
Think somehow that was sexually exciting to him. Just like
the sexual sadism you and I often talk about where
the perpetrator inflicts cruelty in order to increase sexual arousal.
That this is just prolonging the crime, and it's sort
of exciting to scatter these parts all over the community
and to imagine what their reactions will be. This is
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a little guy who can't get a job at his
own father's store. He's small in life, he's small in stature,
he's small psychologically, and this is the only way he
can get excitement. Is this form of thrill seeking. It
actually reminds me, Nancy, you said free.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
I got to go to Miss Garborough, Miss Scarborough, just
the thought of the this devil after what he did
to shaw Day then taking her body part and lee
what on the kid's slide at the playground and somehow
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enjoying that. I don't understand how anybody can be so evil.
And he's not crazy, he's not crazy, he's sane.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
It's a sex son of a I'm sorry, excuse my language.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
I can that this is I don't even know how
I'm present to be able to be here and discuss
these things with you. But again, my community needs to
be aware and they need to know what's going on.
They need to be watching out for their kids. Look
what type of individual justice? Why would you harm my baby?
She hurt nobody. She was angelic, She put out good energy.
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She helped others. He was there for the community. She
was there for the elders, the young people, her peers.
She was constantly giving back. There is something deeper into this,
but the truth is going to be told. We are
worthy for a jury, the trial dream. I want justice
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for Shutte. I want the truth to be told.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Now we are learning that this spoiled Bratt Maxwell Anderson,
aged thirty three, working part time and to get pick
up a job, turned his cell phone off. Wow, sounds
a lot like Brian Cooberger at the same time Shade
was murdered. Let me go very quickly to doctor Kendall
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Crowns before I get off on the cell phone and
what it means that coincidentally he turned his phone off
at the exact time Shaide was killed. Doctor Kendall Crowns,
how difficult is it to dismember a human body?
Speaker 1 (36:55):
I mean this was his plan all along. He told
the CI that and he did so.
Speaker 15 (37:00):
It depends on how you dismember the individual. If you
cut it joint spaces, like along the wrist or the
elbow or the shoulder, you can actually pull the limb
off quite easily. But if you start cutting in the
midshaft of the bone itself, it's very hard to get
through the bone. So if you know what you're doing,
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you can dismember an individual quite quickly.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
But if you're focusing on wait, if you know what
you're doing, did you just say that I'm sorry?
Speaker 15 (37:31):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Did you just say If you know what you're doing,
you can dismember human very quickly.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Okay, well let's just go.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Let me just again go out on a limb and
pretend this is his first time dismembering someone.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
How did he know what he's doing?
Speaker 15 (37:46):
Well, if he has any background in hunting or cooking
or anything like that where he's worked with chickens, it's
if you understand where the joint spaces are, you can
dismember an individual quite quickly. But again, if you don't
understand that.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
You say, do you mean my quickly? I think you
and I are in two different time space continuums.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
What do you mean?
Speaker 1 (38:07):
You can dismember a body relatively quickly?
Speaker 15 (38:10):
Again, you can take the if you go for their
joint spaces, you can take each arm.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Off each What is quickly? What is quickly? To doctor
Kendall Crowns, What does that mean to you? How quickly
can you dismember under an hour? Wait, we're not talking
about Dexter.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
It takes an hour for one one episode of Dexter,
and that's start to finish alpha Omega.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Soup to nuts.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
You're telling me a body can be dismembered by an
amateur in an hour.
Speaker 15 (38:44):
Well, by an amateur, it'd probably take over an hour,
maybe longer, maybe several hours. Again, it's just what is
their knowledge base for taking a part limbs?
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Okay, well, I'm going to go with what you just said.
Anthony Marshall. The dismemberment of this little girl was part
of his fantasy.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Yes, I bet you.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
He dragged it out, the placing of the body bars
on the kid's slide, So it's almost more than I
can take, can't.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
I hate to even say it in front of Miss
Shena Nacy.
Speaker 13 (39:20):
I didn't want to say this in front of missus Robinson,
and I don't want to be offensive, but this was
a sexually motivated crime. This is a beautiful young woman
and torturing her, dragging this out, dismembering her. All of
those acts of cruelty were to enhance his sexual arousal.
But nancy then placing the body parts around shocking other people,
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it's the element of shock that made him sexually excited.
So this guy is just prolonging the crime, and he
probably built up to it for a.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Long long time.
Speaker 13 (39:52):
Even in terms of the dismembering. I would look at
his computer and see if he googled how to do that,
because he was already planned to do it.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
You know, when I look at these pictures of shah
Dah in life, it's hard for me to reconcile these vibrant,
beautiful photos with what I know happened in his filthy,
disgusting basement.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
But you know what, Our duty is not to turn
away from the evidence.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Our duty is to seek the truth and thereby seek
a true verdict, regardless of the nature of the evidence.
And that is exactly what we will do in this case.
We will seek the truth as to what happened to
this tink girl, shah Day, and we will pray.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
For her mother. We wait as justice unfalls goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
A dating app Shade Robinson, just nineteen, dismembered, went on
a date with the wrong man. I'm Nancy Grace. This
is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
The search for Shade Robinson's remains continue. Shade's right leg,
left foot, torso, and one of her arms were found
scattered around Milwaukee more than a month after her death.
A second arm washed up on a Wakegan, Illinois beach.
It has now been confirmed as Shade's through DNA testing.
Shade's head and right leg are still missing, preventing her
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family from laying her to rest.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
They can't even have a funeral because they don't have
all of their daughter. In the last hours, we learn
that LA law enforcement is honing in on dating apps.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I mean, if dating.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Apps had anything to do with this teen girl's murder
and dismemberment, then they need to be outlawed. I don't
like saying that, but how many cases do we hear
about where women, young ladies, teen girls like Shadai go
on a date engineered by a dating app and.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
They're never seen alive again. Joining me right now.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Is a very special guest, a woman I now consider
a friend, Sheena Scarborough.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
This is shaw Dat's mother.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Missus Scarborough. This morning when my twins love to go
to school. You know, they're just a couple of years
younger than Shawda. I watched my daughter walk out, and
I knew that tonight I was going to be speaking
with you, and my stomach just just just seized up.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
I just.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
How do you keep putting one foot in front of
the other.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I mean, this girl.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Was everything, so smart, had her own little apartment that
she paid for by herself, had her own little car,
was going to college class.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
It's the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Oh yes, Nancy, this is so.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
Challenging daily, I don't know how I'm doing it.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
I'm walking and shunny spirit and in her grace, I
am her voice.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
I have to speak an advocate through her for others.
This is not something that just like pulled up. It happened.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
This is a waking nightmare. Daily.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Every day I'll wake up. I can't believe what is
taking place. I am Shutty Robinson's mother. This is very ongoing,
the tragic. My baby was my everything. She's my light,
she's my star. She was so amazingly beautiful, like you
stated she was so independent, so sufficient, She had her
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whole life ahead of her.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
She worked two jobs. She was dedicated.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
She was strong, two full time jobs the pizza shuttle.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
She was ranked up to manager. She started working in
the tenth grade.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Was ongoing getting promoted dollar raises every six months, so
they wanted her to be manager. She worked at the
Wisconsin Club part time, the Wisconsin Country Club. She got
her little sister a job there. That was her little
sister's first job. This has been traumatic and ongoing.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
She was she was scheduled. She did receive her Associate
of Arts degree in May.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Nancy, everything has been back to back since the last
time I've seen you from the Maxwell Anderson. That hard
and hurt my baby. I want that individual and this
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family held fully accountable. This is unacceptable behavior. My daughter
can not Deserboro.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
I just wanted to tell you that in the last days,
his lawyer has demanded that he have a laptop behind bars.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
He can kiss my rear end if he's going.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
To get a private laptop behind bars. Miss Garborough, I'm
seeing you and you have definitely you're wasting away. You
just I can look at you and you have lost
so much weight. You're wasting away. How are you managing
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to go forward?
Speaker 4 (05:03):
I can't sleep, Nancy, I can't eat. I'm doing ongoing,
you know, therapy alone with my youngest daughter.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
I have.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Symptoms, physical symptoms. I don't mean to get in death,
but I don't share this a lot. But since this
has happened, I'm very empathic, and I've always been like this.
I can literally feel the symptoms of what this person
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did to my daughter. I literally don't move the same
way physically. It's a lot of different layers of things
going on with my physical wealth. I can't describe it,
but I don't know. Nancy is through. It is very challenging.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Guys joining me in addition to Miss Sheena Scarborough, who
is Shade's mother, who has vowed to be her daughter's
voice throughout all of this, we are still on the
search for parts of Shade's body, but we are learning
in the last days that police are focusing now on
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various dating apps as to how this teen girl met
up with a much much older man. The defendant his
dad highly highly successful. His dad has a big local
business who employed him briefly before he was let go.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Maxwell Anderson, thirty three years old.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
I don't know what he said to her on this
dating app to make her think that it was okay
to go with him. But we're not only learning about
a potential dating app cant, but we're also learning about
an alleged CI, a confidential informant that claims this guy,
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Maxwell Anderson told him the CI that he was going
to lure shaw Day, take her to the basement, shoot her,
and dismember her. Now, who the hey knows something like
that and does nothing But regarding these newly released warrants, listen.
Speaker 6 (07:32):
Eight unsealed warrants are giving new insights into the investigation
of shaw De Robinson's murder. Newly released surveillance images show
Shawde meeting Anderson at the Twisted Fishermen for their date.
The warrants also reveal police or reviewing employment records and
surveillance from Victor's nightclub. Anderson reportedly worked at Victor's, a
club that one of Shawde's coworkers as they frequented. Investigators
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are trying to determine how Shawde met Anderson.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Joining US now investigative reporter and anchor at Fox six Milwaukee, Aaron.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Mabon, Aarin thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
I've got so much evidence is being uncovered right now,
specifically as it relates to what we've discovered in those
just unsealed search warrants.
Speaker 7 (08:16):
What have you learned, well, I think the search warrants
it's very clear, Nancy. What the search warrants say is
that this was a planned situation according to this informant
who came out days after all this kind of was revealed.
This person came out afterwards and let investigators know that
they went inside Maxwell Anderson's home. They saw three saws
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in there, they saw tarp in there too, and they
had information that this was going to happen. And what's
really fascinating, Nancy is then nothing came out until after
the death. That's what a lot of people find really
chilling in these unsealed search warrants too. So you know
a lot of people that we talked about.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Wait a minute, let me understand something. Aaron Maybon joining us
fought six Milwaukee. So the sea I, the friend of
the defendant Maxwell Anderson, goes into Anderson's home and he
sees all this before Shade is murdered.
Speaker 7 (09:15):
That's what the search warren say that this was seen
before Shade was murdered, and this CI had information never
came forward.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Shade Robinson goes missing.
Speaker 7 (09:28):
Maxwell Anderson is a prime suspect, and then the CI
informs police about what they allegedly saw inside of that home.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Well, you're absolutely correct, Aaron Mayban listen.
Speaker 8 (09:39):
Maxwell Anderson had a sex dungeon in the basement of
his West Milwaukee home. According to a law enforcement source,
Cops found a sex sling restraints in handcuffs. A close
friend of Anderson said that on a visit to Anderson's
home last year, he noticed a large hole in the
ground that was about five feet long by six foot deep.
Anderson said he was working on an un ground basement,
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despite having a large basement in the home already. Neighbors
say the basement in the home had small windows that
were always covered so you could not see inside.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace, So this so called friend
ciconditional informant knew that all of this was going to happen.
Based on what you're learning from the warrants, Aaron Maybin
had Shade, a teen girl already been targeted as the victim.
Speaker 7 (10:38):
You know what the warrant looks like. Nancy is that
he planned on killing Shade Robinson. According to this search warrant,
and again, Maxwell Anderson has not said anything. Attorney not
saying a thing either, And that's just you know, what
we're reading in here is some pretty chilling stuff. But
what's not clear Nancy is why exactly she was picked out,
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why exactly she was targeted, And that's what family is
likely wanted to know too.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Okay, So from what I'm understanding, he actually targeted Shahday specifically.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
He wasn't going to lure.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
A woman, any woman, to his home, take her down
the stairs into the basement, murder and dismember her. It
was Shaday specifically that he wanted.
Speaker 9 (11:26):
Listen, a friend of Anderson's is now working with law
enforcement as a confidential informant. The CI tells investigators in
early March, Anderson spoke of a plan to lure Shande
Robinson to his home, then forced her into the basement
at gunpoint, where he would shoot her, then dismember her
body and scatter her remains. The CI says Anderson showed
in the basement where Anderson had taped plastic paint protectors
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to the walls and floor. The CI says there were
three saws in the prepfed basement.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Brian Fitzgibbons help me.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Brian Fitzgibbons, director of Operations for USPA Nationwide Security who
leads a team of investigators often looking for missing people. Brian,
did you hear what a reporter with Crime Online just
stated that the CI talk about a day late and
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a dollar short. The friend of Anderson's spoke of Anderson's
plan to lure Shahday specifically.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Not just I'm going to get a woman and I'm
going to do X Y and Z. It was Shahday.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
He wanted then to quote force her into the basement
at gunpoint, where he would shoot her and dismember her
and scatter the remains. And he had prepped it like
a spider with a fly. Anderson tape plastic paint protectors
to the walls and floor.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
What about it, Nancy?
Speaker 10 (12:50):
This speaks to the diabolical premeditation that took place here, okay,
And it also speaks to the circs that Anderson was
running in the fact that, nearly a month before Shahde
went missing, this confidential informant knew specifically about Anderson's plans,
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specifically with her.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
Okay.
Speaker 10 (13:15):
So aside from the evidentiary value of this confidential informance
witness statement, you need to it adds a tremendous amount
of color to the life that Maxwell Anderson was leading.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Okay, see you know what, Fitz Gibbons, you're talking in
your USPA Nationwide Security Code all right, speak regular people talk.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
What did you just say about the color in which
his environment was painted? What are you saying? I think
what you're saying. Let me just be so bold as
to climb out on a limar that.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Look at the people he's consorting with.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
People that you say, Hey, I'm going to get this girl,
this teen girl, Shahdai, she's gore, she's brilliant. I'm going
to get her and lure her into my basement at gunpoint,
force her down there. I'm going to kill her and
then I'm going to dismember her and leave her body
parts around town for people to find.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
And this guy does nothing.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Man, I'd have been on my cell phone as soon
as I got clear of that house.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Is that what you're saying to s Gibbon speak English
to me, man, that is exactly what I'm saying. So
March fifth.
Speaker 10 (14:30):
This conversation with the confidential informant and Anderson takes place,
and he doesn't come forward well over a month and
still thirteen days after Shade was missing. You know, this
speaks clearly to the type of people that Anderson was
associating with.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
But why her?
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Why did he target this teen girl, this beautiful girl?
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Why shaw Day?
Speaker 11 (14:58):
I'm come here today.
Speaker 12 (15:00):
This is the hardest thing I would ever have to
do in my life to speak Shaddy's voice.
Speaker 11 (15:05):
Shaddy was a beautiful soul. She was an amazing girl. Nancy,
everything he spoke is exactly what my daughter exerted. I
couldn't have asked for any better daughter.
Speaker 12 (15:19):
There was things my daughter did that many adults were
not even able to accomplished in their life times.
Speaker 11 (15:27):
The son of a took fun daughter from me.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
That's Shade's mother, She and and Scarborough. She's with us now,
missus Scarborough, thank you for speaking out. I mean from
when we spoke then to now. I was looking at
you on camera before we started our program, and when
you pull your hair back.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
I could just see how much weight you have lost.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
And now when we are what we're learning from these
search warrants that he didn't planning to pick any woman
to murder.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
He targeted shaw Day.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Why Nancy, I I don't know why my daughter was
chosen to be the voice to speak for individuals in
our community, and Milwaukee is very concerning. Milwaukee is a
well known place for other serial killers known as you
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know Dahmer and other type of situations. I feel very
unsafe in Milwaukee right now. I'm concerned. As you stated,
your your baby's just started school. My baby, her youngest
sister just started school as well.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Today. I'm concerned for my baby, my youngest.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
It's a feeling, It's an edge, anxiety, anxious, constant feeling
knowing that there are serial killers in our community.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
This could have been any one of our daughters.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
I don't know why God selected us to BEAUTI voice
to speak for the other missing and murdered individuals in
our community.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned psycho Alla, is joining us out
of LA, author of the book deal Breaker. You can
see her also on Peacock Now, doctor Bethany Marshall at
doctor Bethany Marshall dot com, Doctor Bethany Why shaw Day.
I'm going to get into whole dating app thing in
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just a moment. Because this CI, this friend is blowing
me away. He goes to the perps time who is
a rich, spoiled brat suspect.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
He's had a silver spoon in his mouth. It's day one.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
But even if Daddy Keith didn't keep him at the office,
he had to let him go. I can only imagine this. Oh,
I can't even stand a look at him. Why Shunday,
Why did he have to pick a teen girl?
Speaker 13 (18:06):
I have a theory about why shut A. Shud A
is gorgeous, young, successful, She already has her AA, two jobs,
her own apartment. She is at the top of the world,
and compare her to this loser who can't even hold
a job in his own father's company. I bet he
(18:27):
was envious of her, kind of like in cells where
they want to be with the woman.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
They envy the woman.
Speaker 13 (18:33):
They think the woman is above them, but they.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Want to take the woman down.
Speaker 13 (18:38):
So there's destructive a envy, there's destructive hatred. I bet
he had a lot of targets, but she just rose
to the top in terms of his selection.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
And this CI Nancy.
Speaker 13 (18:49):
I bet we're going to learn that Maxwell Anderson was
a part of some underground either drug community or sex community.
And there are more people that knew than just the CI.
He wasn't just bragging to one person. He was either
a part of a BDSM community, a swinger's community, some
community with some perversion like pedophilia, or something that they
(19:09):
all held in comment on.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
There's going to be a lot.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Yes, talked to Ethne before I speculate or you lead
me down the garden path about underground sex clubs. Can
I talk about what I absolutely know because I can't
put your speculation no offense in front of a jury.
I care about probate effects. If I can't get him
into evidence, they don't exist to me. But what I
(19:35):
can get into evidence is what I have discovered of
these search warrants. I'm going to go back to Aaron
Maybon on that regarding dating apps that he was using
and how Shade ends up dead and it's.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Not the first time this has happened. Listen.
Speaker 9 (19:53):
Sidney Loof agrees to meet her tender date Audrey again
tomorrow night, sharing with friends how excited she is. A
man is driving. Audrey picked Sydney up, but Sydney still
gets in the car. The next day Sidney misses work
and isn't answering her phone. Sidney's friend finds Audrey on tender,
who police identify as Bailey Boswell. A month later, parts
of Sydney's dismembered body are found discarded in thirty gallon
(20:15):
trash bags. Trail admits to accidentally strangling Sidney while forcing
her to participate in a porn film.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
I met her on a Tuesday.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
I went to take her home and she asked me
to drop her off at a friend's house, so I
did so.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
I gave her my number.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
We were planning to go to the casino that weekend.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
I mean, I haven't heard from her since.
Speaker 9 (20:42):
Footage from inside the unfinished basement the police have called
a sex dungeon shows it's in disarray. A large hole
has been dug in the concrete floor, A drain in
the floor is stuff with towels. The drink cover marked
with evidence numbers. A door without a handle leads to
a dark closet, and there are several tables, a chair
and exercise of women. The mattress of a queen bed
(21:02):
frame is flipped on its side, and betting is tossed
over a table in the corner of the room.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
You are seeing video we have obtained of the so
called sex dungeon and the defendant's basement. He was digging
another dungeon beneath that. The thought of this beautiful girl,
Shade Robinson dying here, being dismembered here, her last moments
(21:36):
spent in the basement of a spoiled brat thirty three
year old Maxwell Anderson with me is Chade's mother, Sheena Scarborough.
I don't know if you have seen the footage of
(21:57):
that basement. It's filthy, it's dug up, it's covered in debris.
And this.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Defendant picked shah D out of all the women in
the area.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
To lure her down to that filthy basement to murder her.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
I just don't understand why her. Have you seen that basement?
Speaker 4 (22:27):
It discusses me, Nancy, my daughter, to not deserve this.
This is unsurreal, This is freaking unsurreal.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
Like I don't know how we.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Were placing this nightmare by this demon, okay demon, and
I don't want to go there. But there's no other
terminology for individuals that move like this, sociopaths, psycho paths,
like type energy.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
Again, like I.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Speaking upon what the individual stated earlier, my daughter was
very highly achievable successful. I don't know what the motive
would have been. I don't know how to feel paths,
the cycle paths think like this is unsurreal. But this
is very concerning for the Milwaukee community. All individuals and
(23:24):
parents in the community. You need to be concerned about
your kids right, be concerned where they're at. Shady's voice
will be heard, and I'm speaking out for all of
the other missing individuals, not just the black and brown,
but the missing individuals. There are a young man, there
are other individuals of all colors. We represent all missing
individuals that.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
Have not been found.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Aaron may have been joining me now, investigative reporter and
anchor Fox six in Milwaukee. I want to talk about
how and figure out how he identified Shade. And I'm
not quite sure probatively speaking, why this matters so much
to me that he picked her out, And I'm thinking
(24:06):
he left a trail digitally on his computer, on his laptop,
on his cell phone. But Victor's bar plays a role
in this, and remind me to circle back because I
think there's a similar transaction. A woman that claims she
went on a date with him and believes that he
drugged her or put.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Something in her drink.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Okay, just to start with that, because I'm wondering and
I'm going to go to medical examiner, doctor Kendall Crown's
on whether we can determine anything like that was in
Shi Dai's system, even though we don't have all of
her body yet. But I think digitally and forensically, it's
very important to prove how the two connected, not just
a matter of my own curiosity why pick her, but probatively,
(24:52):
what can I tell a jury, Aaron, What am I
going to learn digitally? What footprint did he lead as
to how he stalked her? And what part did Victor's
Bar play in this? Did he work at Victor's Bar?
Speaker 7 (25:07):
Yeah, we know that he did work at Victor's Bar,
and that's what we kind of knew from the jump,
that he was this guy who worked at different bars,
different restaurants around the area, and Victors was one of
those places. It's not clear exactly when exactly shot A.
Robinson came into contact with Maxwell Anderson at Victors, but
(25:28):
that was part of the story really early on Nancy,
that he was this bartender, this bouncer at Victors and
kind of well known in that area, in that vicinity too,
And it could have been a place, according to investigators,
where he met girls where he interacted with them too.
So that's kind of where police are honing in on things.
(25:50):
And not only Victor's Bar, but and you touched on
this earlier. Dating apps are playing a role in all
this too, in this digital footprint. According to a search warrant,
he had at least dating apps on his phone. You know,
not too unpopular for someone in their twenties and thirties, Nancy,
because you know the game has changed. People are meeting
in person, but they're also meeting on dating apps.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
You're right.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Brian Fitzgibbons, Director Operations, USPA Nationwide Security, Brian, how many cases?
Speaker 1 (26:20):
And I've told a Minia jury this.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
People covet that which they see, Okay, like David and Mathsheba.
For Pete's sake, he looks off as ruthin there she
is so he has her husband murdered.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
It's as old as the story can be.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
And here there he is working in that bar, got
fired from his daddy's business, and he sees shaw Day
and she is his target. And he tells his friend,
I'm going to get her, not like I'm gonna woo her,
and I'm going to treat her like a queen. And
you know one day we'll be Oh no, I'm going
(27:01):
to get her. I'm going to allure her right here
to this house. I'm going to take her down to
that base, and I'm going to kill her. Now that's
what I think happened. How can I prove it? How
can I prove it?
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Fitz Gibbons.
Speaker 10 (27:13):
I think most likely their first interaction was at Victor's
And then we're hopeful that investigators through these dating apps,
through these profiles are going to find that probative evidence
that you're looking for to prove Andersen's targeting.
Speaker 14 (27:28):
Okay, just to watch his targeting and see it unfold digitally.
Cops are also honing in on Anderson's dating app activity.
A folder in Anderson's home labeled dating contained handwritten logins
to bumble, hinge, OkCupid, and Tender. Those notes also contained
women's names and information about them. A woman who went
(27:48):
on a date with Anderson in February is convinced he
drugged her drink.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Is there a similar transaction?
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Are there other women out there that interacted with this guy,
Maxwell Anderson that lived to tell the tale, or are
there other women who became his murder victims. We're trying
to piece together everything we know. Joining me right now,
Doctor Kendall Crowns, renowned chief medical Examiner, Terrance County Lecturer
(28:19):
at the esteemed Burnett School of Medicine at TCU, Texas
Christian University, Doctor Kendall Crowns, thank you for being with
us and let me hit you right off the top.
Have you ever analyzed a dismemberment case?
Speaker 15 (28:36):
Yes, over the years, I've analyzed several dismemberment cases in
my career.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
How will we be able to tell whether these injuries
to shade happened pre mortem or after death post mortem?
Speaker 15 (28:49):
So there's a couple of ways to tell. Usually, when
someone is alive and they're shot or stabbed, they will
be hemorrhage into the tissues surrounding the injuries. The heart
stops beating these injuries. These tissues won't have the hemorrhage
in them if you cause further damage, So if you're
cutting a limb off or something like that, the cut
(29:11):
area will be bloodless. So that's one way you can
tell it. The only problem is is when those limbs
get thrown into water or get rained on something like that,
the water can actually wash the blood out of the tissues,
so it will make it kind of hard to tell
if it happened pre mortem or post mortem. But the
one main thing is is you can look for hemorrhage
in the tissue.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
I got to understand what you just said, doctor Kendall Crowns.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
You said to tell if the injuries, the dismemberment occurred
before death or after death, that you would look for
hemorrhaging at the sight of the semmer where the limb
was cut, where the leg was cut off.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Now what does that mean?
Speaker 14 (29:54):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Did at that point.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
Was she?
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Did? She bleed? She did not bleed. It was postmortem
after death because the heart was no longer pumping.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
Is that what you just said, Yes, that's correct.
Speaker 11 (30:07):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Then you said if the body parts, which is a
leg or an arm, had been in water or rained upon,
it would destroy that evidence. In other words, you won't
be able to see even under a microscope if there
had been hemorrhaging, in other words, bleeding.
Speaker 15 (30:23):
Is that what you just said, Yes, that's correct. The
water will wash out the blood out of the tissues
as it's in them, is it's in a watery environment
for a long period of time.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Many of these body parts of this gorgeous girl were
left out in the open, Aaron Maybin very quickly investigating
reporter Fox six Milwaukee.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Her body parts of this girl were left all over
and that was his plan.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
He told the CI his friend, like the devil can
have a friend, he tells his friend that he's going
to lure her, take her down into the basement ie
sex dungeon looks like a filthy basement in me, kill
her and then dismember her and leave her body parts
all over town.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
That was his original plan. Aaron Mabon, isn't that true?
Speaker 7 (31:25):
And Nancy, when you look at the map that we're
looking at right now, that's something because you have to
realize that those body parts were left or other people
to find. So people walking on the beach and they
just find a severed arm. They're walking through their neighborhood
near a playground, Nancy, and they are finding body parts too.
So yeah, according to the CI, that was a goal
(31:46):
to dismember the body. Sprinkle it throughout town. We know
from police that there's surveillance evidence of him on different
bus routes him all over town. And they have piece
it together like this right here with the bat. They
pieced it together that he was just dumping body parts
all over the place.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
One part even left.
Speaker 7 (32:06):
The state of Wisconsin. It went to Illinois and washed
down the shore to Illinois where someone else found that
body part.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Maybon, Maybon, you're actually making my stomach physically hurt right now.
You're actually making my stomach hurt. Doctor hold on, Doctor
Kendall Crowns, because I got to talk to you about
how difficult it is to actually dismember someone, and how
I'm telling you this ain't this guy's first time at
(32:33):
the rodeo, all right, because he planned this whole thing out. Hold,
doctor Crowns, Doctor Bethany Marshall, you gotta help me right now,
because this was his plan all along to get this girl,
not any girl, shah Day as I said, the jewel
in the crown, the gorgeous girl sitting at his bar
at Victor's, he gets, sir, and all along he told
(32:57):
his friend up front he's going to get her her
take her in the basement a gunpoint, kill her and
dismever her and put her body parts all over town.
Speaker 11 (33:06):
What is that?
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Why would he put this girl's body parts where other
people can find them.
Speaker 13 (33:13):
You know what's interesting, Nancy, is he doesn't seem to
be scattering her remains in order to not be ided.
He's scattering them because he wants to have power over
the community.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
He wants to terrify and terrorize everybody. Big guys, I
don't even know what you're saying. He wanted to have
power over the community, terrify the community, right now, that's
not what happened. I'm not but I know he didn't
do this to have power over the community. I've never
even heard anything like that.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
But this reminds me.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
See a freak. He is a devil straight from hell.
That's why he did it. But there's got to be
most killers, Bethany. They want to hide the body. They
bury it, they put it in the ocean, they weigh
it down with semit Brooks, like Scott Peters and did Lacy.
This guy left her remains in public parks for children
(34:05):
to find.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Now straight that focus focus, Well, I.
Speaker 13 (34:11):
Think somehow that was sexually exciting to him. Just like
the sexual sadism you and I often talk about where
the perpetrator inflicts cruelty in order to increase sexual arousal.
That this is just prolonging the crime, and it's sort
of exciting to scatter these parts all over the community
and to imagine what their reactions will be. This is
(34:33):
a little guy who can't get a job at his
own father's store. He's small in life, he's small in stature,
he's small psychologically, and this is the only way he
can get excitement. Is this form of thrill seeking. It
actually reminds me, Nancy, you said free.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
I got to go to Miss Garborough, Miss Scarborough, just
the thought of the this devil after what he did
to shaw Day then taking her body part and lee
what on the kid's slide at the playground and somehow
(35:13):
enjoying that. I don't understand how anybody can be so evil.
And he's not crazy, he's not crazy, he's sane.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
It's a sex son of a I'm sorry, excuse my language.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
I can that this is I don't even know how
I'm present to be able to be here and discuss
these things with you. But again, my community needs to
be aware and they need to know what's going on.
They need to be watching out for their kids. Look
what type of individual justice? Why would you harm my baby?
She hurt nobody. She was angelic, She put out good energy.
(35:50):
She helped others. He was there for the community. She
was there for the elders, the young people, her peers.
She was constantly giving back. There is something deeper into this,
but the truth is going to be told. We are
worthy for a jury, the trial dream. I want justice
(36:13):
for Shutte. I want the truth to be told.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Now we are learning that this spoiled Bratt Maxwell Anderson,
aged thirty three, working part time and to get pick
up a job, turned his cell phone off. Wow, sounds
a lot like Brian Cooberger at the same time Shade
was murdered. Let me go very quickly to doctor Kendall
(36:36):
Crowns before I get off on the cell phone and
what it means that coincidentally he turned his phone off
at the exact time Shaide was killed. Doctor Kendall Crowns,
how difficult is it to dismember a human body?
Speaker 1 (36:55):
I mean this was his plan all along. He told
the CI that and he did so.
Speaker 15 (37:00):
It depends on how you dismember the individual. If you
cut it joint spaces, like along the wrist or the
elbow or the shoulder, you can actually pull the limb
off quite easily. But if you start cutting in the
midshaft of the bone itself, it's very hard to get
through the bone. So if you know what you're doing,
(37:22):
you can dismember an individual quite quickly.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
But if you're focusing on wait, if you know what
you're doing, did you just say that I'm sorry?
Speaker 15 (37:31):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Did you just say If you know what you're doing,
you can dismember human very quickly.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Okay, well let's just go.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Let me just again go out on a limb and
pretend this is his first time dismembering someone.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
How did he know what he's doing?
Speaker 15 (37:46):
Well, if he has any background in hunting or cooking
or anything like that where he's worked with chickens, it's
if you understand where the joint spaces are, you can
dismember an individual quite quickly. But again, if you don't
understand that.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
You say, do you mean my quickly? I think you
and I are in two different time space continuums.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
What do you mean?
Speaker 1 (38:07):
You can dismember a body relatively quickly?
Speaker 15 (38:10):
Again, you can take the if you go for their
joint spaces, you can take each arm.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Off each What is quickly? What is quickly? To doctor
Kendall Crowns, What does that mean to you? How quickly
can you dismember under an hour? Wait, we're not talking
about Dexter.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
It takes an hour for one one episode of Dexter,
and that's start to finish alpha Omega.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Soup to nuts.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
You're telling me a body can be dismembered by an
amateur in an hour.
Speaker 15 (38:44):
Well, by an amateur, it'd probably take over an hour,
maybe longer, maybe several hours. Again, it's just what is
their knowledge base for taking a part limbs?
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Okay, well, I'm going to go with what you just said.
Anthony Marshall. The dismemberment of this little girl was part
of his fantasy.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Yes, I bet you.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
He dragged it out, the placing of the body bars
on the kid's slide, So it's almost more than I
can take, can't.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
I hate to even say it in front of Miss
Shena Nacy.
Speaker 13 (39:20):
I didn't want to say this in front of missus Robinson,
and I don't want to be offensive, but this was
a sexually motivated crime. This is a beautiful young woman
and torturing her, dragging this out, dismembering her. All of
those acts of cruelty were to enhance his sexual arousal.
But nancy then placing the body parts around shocking other people,
(39:41):
it's the element of shock that made him sexually excited.
So this guy is just prolonging the crime, and he
probably built up to it for a.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Long long time.
Speaker 13 (39:52):
Even in terms of the dismembering. I would look at
his computer and see if he googled how to do that,
because he was already planned to do it.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
You know, when I look at these pictures of shah
Dah in life, it's hard for me to reconcile these vibrant,
beautiful photos with what I know happened in his filthy,
disgusting basement.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
But you know what, Our duty is not to turn
away from the evidence.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Our duty is to seek the truth and thereby seek
a true verdict, regardless of the nature of the evidence.
And that is exactly what we will do in this case.
We will seek the truth as to what happened to
this tink girl, shah Day, and we will pray.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
For her mother. We wait as justice unfalls goodbye friend,
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