September 21, 2025 • 36 mins
Convicted socialite Rebecca Grossman demands a venue change in a wrongful death suit trial filed against her. The parents of two young boys killed when a drunk Grossman plowed into them is civilly suing Grossman and her former MLB star lover Scott Erickson for wrongful death. Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Huey Cotton threw out a motion to fast-track. The judge’s decision means that trial won't start until the original December 1 date.
Just after 7 pm, on a September evening, Jacob and Mark Iskander, their siblings, and parents go for an evening stroll to a nearby lake. The 6 member family is crossing in a crosswalk at a three-way intersection when mother Nancy hears a speeding car barreling their way. The mom says her husband and daughter were father away from the street. She tries to signal to the two SUVs to slow down. She tries to pull the children back, only managing to grab 1 of them and dive out of the way. Jacob and Mark are hit. Mark Iskander dies at the scene. Jacob dies later at the hospital. According to police, Mark was thrown 254 feet.
Nancy Iskander tells police that two SUVs were "zig-zagging with each other as if they were playing or racing.” She says the drivers didn’t stop, at the intersection, not even when the 11-year-old was on the hood of the car. Deputies reportedly catch up with a white Mercedes with significant front-end damage a third of a mile from the scene. Behind the wheel is Rebecca Grossman. The Los Angeles County Sheriff's department says they believe that vehicle was traveling over 80 miles an hour. Grossman’s breathalyzer test after the crash showed a blood-alcohol content of 0.076% according to local news reports. The legal limit in California is 0.08%. A blood sample taken three hours after the crash registered at the 0.08% mark.
Rebecca Grossman was charged and convicted of two felony counts each of second-degree murder, vehicular manslaughter with gross negligence, and one felony count of hit-and-run driving resulting in death. Grossman was sentenced to 15 years to life in prison.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Mark Klaas - Founder, Klaas Kids Foundation
- Kathleen Murphy - North Carolina, Family Attorney
- Dr. Angela Arnold - Atlnta Psychiatrist. Expert in the Treatment of Pregnant/Postpartum Women, Former Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, Obstetrics and Gynecology: Emory University, Former Medical Director of The Psychiatric Ob-Gyn Clinic at Grady Memorial Hospital
- Sheryl McCollum - Forensic Expert & Cold Case Investigative Research Institute Founder, Former Director of MADD, Georgia
- Joseph Scott Morgan - Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University, Author of "Blood Beneath My Feet," and Host: "Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan;" X @JoScottForensicith Joseph Scott Morgan;" X:@JoScottForensic
- Ray Caputo - Lead News Anchor for Orlando's Morning News, 96.5 WDBO
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, an evil millionaire socialite who
slaughters two little boys while racing her Mercedes in a
residential area after a boozy lunch, now makes an incredibly
entitled demand from behind bars.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Good evening.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
being with us. The socialite I'll never forget her name,
Rebecca Grossman, who is convicted of murdering two little boys
two brothers with her Mercedes while racing her Mercedes with
her lover after a drunken and booze soaked lunch, demands
(00:47):
her civil trial be moved because of quote sensationalized coverage
of the crimes. She insists she should not be tried
in La County after the parents of Jake of eight
and Mark, eleven brothers sued her for damages after the
boys were run down in Westlake Village there in La Now,
(01:10):
according to court documents we've obtained, she says, Grossman says,
this court is requested to issue in order changing the
place of trial because an impartial trial cannot be had
in La County and nearby vicinities. She's serving fifteen toly
for two counts of second degree murder, and she is
(01:32):
claiming other people are biased. Okay, what do we know
about the case.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
There's so many questions.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Let's start it off.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Just after seven pm on a September evening, Jacob and
Mark Iskander, their siblings and parents, go for an evening
stroll to a nearby lake. The boys enjoy ruler bleeding
and skateboarding. The six member family is heading home, crossing
in a crosswalk at a three way intersection when mother
Nancy heard a speeding car barreling their way. The mom
says her husband and daughter were further away from the street.
(02:03):
She tries to signal to the two SUVs heading their
way to slow down. She tried to pull the children back,
only managing to grab one of them, a five year old,
and dive out of the way. Jacob and Mark, who
were farther out in the crosswalk, are hit. Mark Iskinder
dies at the scene. Jacob dies later at the hospital.
According to police, Mark was thrown two hundred and fifty
four feet.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Two one hundred and fifty four feet. Can you imagine
that coming up on the scene and seeing a little helmet,
a child's scooter and crime same tape with me an
all star panel to break it down and put it
back together again. First of all, founder of Class Kids Foundation,
(02:45):
Mark Class. You can find him at class Kids dot org.
And that's with a K. Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina trial lawyer.
You can find her at Ncdomestic Law dot com. Renowned
psychiatrist joining us out of Atlanta, doctor Angela Arnold at
Angela Arnold MD dot com. Founder director of the Cold
(03:07):
Case Research Institute, Former president of Mad Georgia Mothers Against
Drunk Driving. Cheryl McCullum, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author
of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and star of
a new series on the True Crime Network, Poisonous Liaisons.
(03:27):
Joseph Scott Morgan. But first to the lead news anchor,
Wdbo Ray Caputo, Ray Caputo. Two brothers dead and one
fell swoop, one just nine years old, the other just eleven.
What happened?
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Well, Nancy, this was a really hot day that happened
at the Westlake Village, California, is one an hour west
LA depending on the traffic. And it's so hot day
and the family goes out. Jacobs and Mark eight eleven.
They're with their mom and their dad, and two other siblings.
And they're simply crossing the street there.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Okay, hold on, just let me understand something. It's okay.
They're with their whole family. It's not like the children
we're in the middle of the road riding their scooters.
They're in a crosswalk with their family. Correct.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
Yes, a little marched crosswalk.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
You know, I'm gonna understand Where this is, Mark Class,
founder of Class Kids Foundation. Where is Westlake Village? Where
is that in California?
Speaker 6 (04:31):
Well, it's several hundred miles from where I am, but
I've been through west Lake and it's a suburb of
Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
You know, when you say a suburb of LA, having
lived out in LA during Dancing with the Stars, that
could mean anything. I mean, it could be a beach area,
it could be a rural area, it could be farming
land because California is so diverse. But a good hour
outside of LA, in my mind, means suburbs. People that
(05:02):
will drive an hour to get to work in LA
through that god awful traffic. So we're talking about a
suburb of LA which is full of beautiful country called
Westlake Village. We're talking about Mark and Jacob and they're
nine and eleven years old, and they're with their entire family,
including mommy and daddy. So back to UI computer, I
(05:26):
think I heard you say they were in a crosswalk.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Correct, Yeah, it was a crosswalk.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
Now, this is a suburb, so it wasn't a heavily
congested area. And when you think of love downtown Los Angeles,
it's a concrete jungle.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
It wasn't like this.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
There wasn't a lot of hills though, and it was residential,
and they weren't across. What they're doing what a lot
of families do on a Tuesday night when it's hot
out and you want to get a little.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Extra suns, you know, I take Lucy and John David,
we get the dog fat Boy, and we walk all
the time, practically every day.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Shine.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
And it's usually about that time when they're done with
school and I'm through with work and everything is calming
down from all the craziness during the day, and I'm
just imagining this family. You know, Raycipedo, you said the
whole family was there. How many of them were there?
Speaker 5 (06:21):
Well, there was at least two siblings that I wanted.
One of them was in a stroll, so there was
the mom and the dad, and you can imagine that
that you the child and the streamers getting the most attention.
They're getting pushed around. But you know everybody was there.
You mom and dad were with the kids in and
there was just there. They could get six of them,
including the.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Boys, the whole family together. You know, when I go
with the whole family together somewhere, I feel more safe
because we're all there together. I've got the children with me,
my husband's there. Were all focused on keeping the twins
safe at all times. Take a listen to Chris Holmstrom
(07:00):
at Caca L nine. It was just before dark.
Speaker 7 (07:03):
A family of six was walking across this crosswalk when
tragedy struck. Captain Salvador Vissera with the La County Sheriff's
Department describes what happened next.
Speaker 8 (07:12):
The family were in a marked crosswalk, clearly marked. As
she realized there were two cars speeding her way, she
was able to reach out and grab one of her
children off of a razor scooter, pulled the child back
with the stroller, with another child a stroller as the
car entered the intersection and hit the other two boys.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
There's six people, including two adults and a stroller. How
could you not see that? It wasn't even dark yet?
To Ray Capudo, did the two boys nine and eleven
die right there on the scene where they raced to
the hospital? What happened?
Speaker 5 (07:55):
Oh, it's just terrible, Nancy. Well, one of the boys
died at the scene. He was carried on the hood
of the car for one hundred feet and then the
car stopped and the little boy flew off and then
he was he was ran over the other child. Okay,
wait wait wait.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Wait wait wait wait wait, slow down, what did you
just say.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Unfortunately, the woman hit the little one little boy and
carried him one hundred feet and then she flew off
the car and she ran him over.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Wait right wait, right there, So it's not dark yet.
They're in a crosswalk. There are six people, including two
adults and a stroller. That accounts for three people, so
there were three others. That is a group. How can
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you miss a group of people? Just let's just pretend
that the driver come over a hill and hit them,
which I don't believe is the case because under the
rules of the road, just like where you put a
double line, you're not supposed to cross on a double line.
Or pass anybody. You wouldn't put a crosswalk right there
(09:08):
as coming up over hill because it's too dangerous. So
as if you couldn't see them a mile away. We
learn from witnesses that one of these two little boys
was carried on the hood of the car for one
hundred feet. Crime stories with Nancy Grace spoiled brat socialite
(09:39):
Rebecca Grossman issuing demands from behind bars that her civil
trial be moved. In a further attempt at sympathy, her
lawyers claim her family got death threats. Okay, the last
I looked, they were still alive, and well, she's the problem,
not her family. They also shared polling results claiming forty
(10:04):
four percent of La County residents recognize her name and
seventeen percent pulled in Chulane County next door.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Knew who she is.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Okay, well, you'd have to be living under a rock
in a cave on the other side of the world
with earmuff song not to know who Rebecca Grossman is.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
That does not mean they cannot be impartial.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
I mean, for Pete's saint, look at Shan Combs's trial,
who didn't know who did he is? Yet they freed
him on three of the five counts. Good luck with that, Grossman.
What more do we know about the case? I want
to go back to you, Wrekkiputo. This was in a crosswalk,
and they have engineers looking at where a crosswalk should be,
(10:47):
where there should be a double line, where you should
put a red light or a stop sign or a
flashing yellow light for reasons. Because at fence with a topography,
I just don't believe that a crosswalk was You mentioned hills.
That's where I'm getting this from you, Raki Pudo. I
just don't believe a crosswalk was right at the top
(11:08):
of the hill.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
Well there was a crosswalks. You go imagine, imagine the
team and there's a road that's coming down at hilly,
very hilly road coming down and then there's a crosswalk.
So my assumption is is that you know that that
might have played into it. It says that she was
on this road and I believe that she have taken
a turn where there was a stop sign and just
ripping through it because she was going really fast. And
(11:31):
I've seen this on a map and I can't understand
how someone who was intoxicated just out of their mind
not paying attention to the room.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
If you're coming down a road, like you're saying, there's
a hill coming down, you can see down. It's not
as if she was coming up a hill and then
suddenly you're in a crosswalk and there are people in
the middle of it. Cheryl McCollum, you're the former president
of Mothers Against Driving Georgia.
Speaker 9 (11:55):
Help me out here, Nancy. There were so many things
this woman did wrong for that accident.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I'm just talking right now about the crosswalk. Crosswalks are
there in that spot for a reason, so you can see.
Speaker 9 (12:10):
It correct, but not somebody that's drunk. It could very
well be she was fiddling with the radio. It could
be that she was going through her purse.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Okay, speaking of that, take a listen to anchor Suzanne
Marquez with Tina Pattel CBS LA.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
We have more breaking news.
Speaker 7 (12:30):
A driver has been arrested after a crash last night
in Westlake Village that killed two children. CBS two is
Tina Pattel is live with the latest on this investigation.
It's heartbreaking developments this morning, Tina.
Speaker 10 (12:43):
It really is. One boy died here at the scene.
The other one was taken to the hospital. And we
just learned that he also passed away. Now the Sheriff's
department is not releasing the ages of those boys, are
saying whether they are related. But you can see the
news of the tragic death has hit this community. Many
are coming now.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
To leave flowers.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Oh yeah, they weren't releasing a lot of information, and
now we know why. Take a listen to Mary Beth
McDade KTLA five Grossman.
Speaker 11 (13:11):
Who's married to a prominent plastic surgeon, Peter Grossman, reportedly
hit one boy who rolled up onto her hood. She
reportedly slammed on her brigs so he'd roll off, and
then she ran him over. Deputies reportedly caught up with
Grossman about a quarter mile away in her white Mercedes,
which had front end damage, and arrested her.
Speaker 8 (13:29):
Rebecca Grossman was arrested for vehico. She's being charged two
counts of vehicular manslaughter and was arrested for duy.
Speaker 11 (13:35):
The Scanders are well known in their Westlake village and
church communities.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
So Rebecca Grossman was driving that white Mercedes married to
a prominent plastic surgeon, Peter Grossman. Now Cheryl McCollum, former
director of mad M a d D mothers against driving Georgia.
(14:00):
Did you hear that that reportedly hit one boy and
he flew up onto her hood. She kept going about
one hundred feet and slammed on brakes so the boy
would roll off, then ran over him and did not stop.
She kept going. Did you get that in the news
report from KTLA five.
Speaker 9 (14:22):
Think about that day the.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Cops stit and find her for a quarter of a mile.
Speaker 9 (14:27):
But Nancy, think about the fact that she's already hurt
him severely by running over him and killing his brother.
She made the choice of getting that child off the
hood of her car and ran over him in order
to flee and get away. She made the conscious choice
(14:47):
to do more damage to that baby than to stop
and render aids.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Joining me right now, I want to go straight out
to doctor Angela Arnold, psychiatrist at Angela Arnold MD dot com.
What in the world would make you keep going after
you hit a child? It reminds me of a case
I covered on Court TV while back, and the defendant's
(15:14):
name was Chante Mallard. She hit a man in a street,
then with him on the hood. Stuck on the hood,
she drives all the way to her home pulls her
car into the garage, closes the garage, and leaves him
on the windshield to die. He could have been saved
(15:36):
in the time. She sat in there going wow, Am
I going to get in trouble for this? She left
the guy impaled on the hood while he died. Here
you've got this woman, according to eyewitnesses, carried the little
boy on the hood of the car one hundred feet,
slammed on brakes, the boy fell off, then she ran
(15:58):
over him.
Speaker 12 (16:00):
It's such a horrific act, Nancy, that most of us
cannot understand. But to me, it speaks to something deeper
that is wrong with this woman. On top of her
alcohol addiction.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Apparently, Well, let's talk about that for a moment. I
want to find out from you, Raycipudowdbo, why alcohol is
being thrown around. How come we don't think she was
just let's just say, street racing or joy riding or
in a hurry. How did alcohol get into the mix?
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Well, that's what the deputy said.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
What they found her about a mile down the road. Dancy,
this is a scary car. We see this a lot
with people who have money. They know what happens when
things go sideways is if you hit somebody and you're drinking,
the best thing to do is get the heck away
from the scene, apparently and not be seen until you're
sober up. This woman's car breaks down a mile away,
(16:58):
and that's when she's busted. If she would have got
a way, I would almost guarantee that they remounting a
defense of I wasn't drinking now. Also, you mentioned street racing.
She was apparently street racing too. She was traveling at
a high rate of speed, and she was drinking. I mean,
what a host of factors. And you wonder why something
went wrong.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Here we'll tell you how I learned that dui. Driving
under the influence of alcohol or drugs was part of this.
Because she is renowned, prominent member of the community, husband
is a high profile plastic surgeon. She was arrested on
suspicion of manslaughter and dui after smashing her speaking Mercedes
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into brothers Mark and Jacob eleven and nine Westlake Village.
She only stopped a mile and a half away when
her engine cut out. Cheryl McCollum, former director of Mad
Mother's Against Junk Driving Georgia, she didn't pull over and
call police. She was only stop because of car trouble.
Speaker 9 (18:01):
She did nothing to help this family. She did nothing
to help the two little boys. She did nothing to
render aid help it anyway. She didn't even go to
a pay phone and call NOW one one anonymously to
get help. There.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
You know, Cheryl, suffering the sudden and criminal death of
somebody you love sticks with you forever, as you all know,
having dealt with so many crime victims. But this mother
and father were right there. One son died on the scene.
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Cheryl and the car kept going.
Speaker 9 (18:41):
What that must be like to them? I mean the
Huggies to race BMX and I can play right now
in my head the worst rent he ever had. And
he was fine. But as a mother, you just, you know,
play it over and over and over what they must
be living with watching their two children moved down, one
(19:05):
killed at the scene, one you have hoped for for
a moment, and then that snatched from you too, because
this woman decides she wants to drink in street race.
You're not from a seventeen year old kid that makes
a stupid decision.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Believe it or not.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Wealthy socialite Rebecca Grossman accused suspect number one in mowing
down two little boys out walking with their family gets
the courtroom victory. But what happened when the boys lost
their lives? According to police, this woman, Rebecca Grossman, prominent
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in her community and wealthy, not only mowed the two
little boys down in front of mom and dad, but
kept going. She was charged with suspicion of voluntary manslaughter
and d ui. I want you to take a listen
to our cut number twelve. Now you may recognize some
of these voices. This is a montage of all the
(20:10):
coverage about how fantastic this woman and her husband were.
Speaker 13 (20:18):
So many of us at ABC News know about the
work that the Grossman burn Foundation has done to provide
so much care, new life for women, children, people around
the United States and the world in need of that
urgent medical care.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
I just wanted to take a moment of your time
this evening to say a few words about the Grossman
burn Foundation. This extraordinary organization is making a huge difference
around the world.
Speaker 13 (20:43):
Another miracle at the Grossman Burn Center here at Southern Calumnia, That'stia.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
The Grossman Burne Foundation has launched a campaign to stop
the violence carried out against women around the world.
Speaker 7 (20:53):
A local Oscar winning special effects artist has become a
hero to a woman on the other side of the globe,
a woman whose face was destroyed by her own husband.
Speaker 14 (21:01):
Rebecca Grossman of the Grossman Burne Foundation, found out about
Eustonce Rebecca takes the prosthetics, travels to Indonesia and delivers
them to Houstons in person. It's a day eustonce never
thought would come. Finally she gets the first sign of
hope that she'll feel complete again.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
You're hearing so much about the Burne Foundation. Remember, this
woman's husband is a prominent plastic surgeon, so they're well
known and.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Wealthy in that community.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
I know that the husband, who is, as I said,
a wealthy and prominent plastic surgeon, had been working with
the burn Foundation. But what about the wife, Rebecca Grossman,
and what about that particular day that these two little
(21:53):
boys were mowed down? Take a listen to Tina Patel's
CBS LA.
Speaker 10 (22:00):
Investigators arrested a fifty seven year old driver and charged
her with vehicular manslaughter. Or white Mercedes with front end
damage was towed away about a half mile from the
crash scene, but investigators would not confirm whether the drivers
stop voluntarily or whether this was a hidden run people
who live nearby. I hope this crash will be a
wake up call for drivers to slow down and for
the city to do more to protect pedestrians.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
You know, I want to go to you, Mark Class,
founder of Class Kids Foundation to protect children. Have you
ever seen cases where the public doesn't get all the
details for a lot of the facts surrounding the case
are kept under the rug. For instance, what is this
woman's blood alcohol? They're not even saying that. They'll confirm
(22:44):
it was a hit and run. She was arrested about
a mile away. Yes, it was a hit and run.
I don't need a crime scene reconstruction is to tell
me that Mark Class nw.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
She the nonprofit world is full of hip hops. It's
full of wealthy people who sit on boards of nonprofit
organizations for no other reason than they can talk about
themselves at cocktail parties and give each other awards for
the great work that they do. And I think Cheryl
can attest to that she knows the nonprofit world as well.
(23:18):
And I think that's exactly what we have here.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
Now.
Speaker 6 (23:21):
They can talk about how wonderful missus Grossman is and
all of the great things she's done. But she's also
the woman who plowed down two little boys, bumped one
of them off of the hood of her car, and
then ran over him again so that she could escape responsibility.
This is a woman with no conscience. This is a
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woman with no morals. This is a woman who most
certainly does not belong behind the driver's seat of a car.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Cheryl McCollum, I know that she's charged with suspicion dui.
Now you know the case will be ruined if they
did not do an appropriate blood alcohol content test on her,
a blow test, and that is the end of a
dui case. If you let her off the hook from
that blow test at the scene, you can't prove a
(24:14):
trial she was dui. So they have her charge with
suspicion dui. Why would they have charged her with that, Cheryl, There.
Speaker 9 (24:23):
Must be some evidence either they could smell alcohol in
her breath, there was evidence in the car of a
bottle or something like that. But Nancy, the other thing
they're missing. They don't have the traditional things you would
have with an accident like this. They're not going to
have kid mark. She didn't stop.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Good point.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Good point.
Speaker 9 (24:42):
So there's so many things. They can't get her accurate speed.
They may not have an accurate beapie, they may not
have it.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
We do know this though, Cheryl. Now, this is good
news for the prosecution if they take the case all
the way, if they don't get over and pressed with
money and prominence. Joe Scott Morgan, the professor forensics Jacks
Will State University and death investigator. The cops have broken
down and told us that this socialite, Rebecca Grossman, did
(25:14):
test over the legal limit.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Explain, Yeah, the legal limit, dependent upon where you are,
is generally going to be in a range of about
point zero one point five that region right there, and
it's going to go to significant impairment and that is
your motor function. How can you make judgments? But this
(25:39):
is one of the problems going back to what Max
said just a second ago with her. You know, this
woman has a history of driving while intoxicated. This is
my question. If she is addicted to alcohol, her tolerance
level is going to be much higher. So there are
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people that have a dependency upon alcohol that can still
function be up, you know, whereas you or I might
have a drink couple of glasses of wine or something,
and we're out like a baby. This woman might could
go through two or three bottles of wine, so be
upright and functioning. Uh So, it's it's kind of a
hit or miss. They need to have done this early on.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
And look at the front end of her Mercedes. You
can see it at climeonline dot com.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Yeah. Yeah, if I could address another car, Yeah, if
I could address that, this is a full size Mercedes sedan, Nancy,
And you know Mercedes, one thing they're known for. It's
not just a luxury car. They're known as being a
safe car, well built. And Nancy, it looks like she
ran into a damn telephone pole. It's a center mass strike.
(26:49):
And just so people at home will understand, if you
imagine that great big Mercedes symbol that sits right in
the center of the grill, that's gone, and not only that,
the hood itself is crushed in. This gives us an
indication that when she struck these two little boys, as
you mentioned, just a second ago, in front of their parents.
(27:10):
Mind you, she was traveling at such a high rate that,
at least because I don't have all the data from
the scene, it gives the appearance that she hit a
fixed object. Nancy, not some non anchored person like these
two children. She hit something at such a high rate
of speed it literally collapsed the front of that car.
(27:33):
I don't see how the airbags kept from deploying. And
if you look at that image real quick, she did
try to flee. The only reason she didn't get away.
If you take a real close look at that image
on crime A Line, you'll see that there are fluids
that have poured out of the bottom of this thing,
so it disabled the vehicle. My guess is, as Ray
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had alluded to earlier, is that if she could have
put as much distance between her and that event, that homicide,
then you would have had time for the blood alcohol
to metabolize in her system. She would have gone. And
this has happened numbers of times with high profile people
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over the years. If you don't have that science to
back it up, if you don't know what the BA
is at that moment in time, you've lost it.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Foreverything crime stories with Nancy Grace in the last days,
millionaire social like Rebecca Grossman making demands from behind bars.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Does it never end with this woman? What happened that day.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
When two little brothers were run down dead by her,
and then she lied about it. Six family members were
crossing the three way intersection in a marked cross.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Walk on the road. The parents.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Heard the speeding Mercedes. They could hear it speeding and
hearing the car, they reached out to grab their children.
They grabbed Zachary and Violet, Mark and Jacob.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Were too far away.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
They heard the speeding car. Cheryl, now you understand the
legal implications of this. They could hear it at a
distance speeding. There were no skid marks. The parents grabbed
the children they can reach. The ones they couldn't reach
were mowed down. Analyze it, Cheryl McCollum.
Speaker 9 (29:40):
Nancy, what you're going to have is you're going to
have the police go. They've got to go back. They've
got to get video from every ring camera. If they
have the flock system, they've got to get that video.
They've got to trace her action backwards. Where did she drink,
how much did she drink? Where did she get it
from that she paid for it? Was it already at home?
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Was she had a bar when?
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Yeah, they're going to retrace all of their her steps,
at least I hope they are.
Speaker 9 (30:09):
That they've got to an eighty because they don't have
anything else because again they know the blood alcohol is
going to be contested. They know that they're going to
have a fight on their hands. So they've got to
go back and show, just like you used to do that,
this crime didn't occur at nine forty seven PM or
six forty five. This crime occurred at two o'clock when
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she took her first drink. It occurred at three fifteen
when she took the next one, It occurred at five
sixty when she had her third one, and then she
chose to get in the car after five or six
or a bottle. And that's what they've got to show
the importance of that. They've got to go back and
show every speeding ticket. They've got to show every failure
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to maintain lane. They've got to show every DUI she's
ever had, even if they reduced it to you know whatever,
they might have reduced it to reckless driving or such.
You know, we all know reckless driving. Usually the DUI.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
That's been reduced.
Speaker 9 (31:08):
They got to look at every single one, every single
time her prominent husband has saved her. They've got to
go talk to friends and said, hey, how many contail parties.
Does she throw how often do y'all know her to
You know.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
It's going to be critical that they trace her steps
that day. Amen, Because Mark Class, I mean, have you
ever heard accident used in DUIs? It's no accident, Mark Class, Because,
as Cheryl McCollum was saying, you start in the day drinking,
you decide to get your car keys, You decide to
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walk out to your car after you've been drinking. You
decide to insert the key in the ignition and start
the car, put it reverse and then drive there you go.
All those were conscious decisions, Mark Class.
Speaker 6 (31:56):
There were conscious decisions. Why a woman who's probably done
that hundreds of times and doesn't really seem to care
about the safety of anybody else, feels that she's privileged
enough that she can do what she wants when she
wants and have some kind of a sterling reputation and
a lot of money to fall back on.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Straight out to Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina, try a lawyer
at the scene. We've seen so many celebrity walk a
straight line tests, touch your nose tests or the ABC's test.
What other tests are performed at the state are supposed
to be performed when cops suspect do UI.
Speaker 15 (32:32):
Well, obviously the markers are a breathalyzer. She could refuse
the breathalyzer. She refuses the breathalyzers.
Speaker 12 (32:40):
They'll take blood work at the hospital or wherever she
can car sorts.
Speaker 15 (32:43):
I would suppose they can do the field sobriety tests
such as heel toe. They also can take other steps
to determine whether or not they're drinking, such's alcohol bottles
in the car, the smell of alcohol on that lady's bread.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
We do know that this prominent socialite, Rebecca Grossman, was
involved in an accident twenty twelve where the other driver
claims she ran a red light driving over sixty five
in a forty mph zone and plowed into the back
of his car. The driver passed away later from ill health,
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but the insurance report includes his detailed description of the crash. Now,
in that case, we know that insurance paid out one
hundred thousand dollars in a settlement with Grossman. She was
injured in that too, So what if anything, do we
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know about her history, Raykipudo.
Speaker 6 (33:44):
Well, Dancy, she's not a good driver, that's for sure.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
I mean, you can only speculate that that's connected to this.
I don't know for sure, but it seems to be
that the writing was on the wall for miss Grossman,
and she had plenty of opportunity to fix some of
the issues that she had in her life, but you know,
she didn't.
Speaker 6 (34:02):
And here we are.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
This tragedy was avoidable. There was something that shouldn't have happened,
and now this family is going to be living with
us for the rest of their lison. This Glos's life
is done too. Pretty much, her reputation is gone.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
I'm really more worried about the two dead boys than
anybody's reputation, Doctor Angel Arnold. What about the people surrounding her?
I mean, according to a Daily Mail report quote, she's
a reckless driver. The socialite charge with killing two young
boys in Dui hit and run previously totaled another driver's
car after quote speeding through a red light, and then
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she sued him even though she ran into the back
of his car.
Speaker 12 (34:44):
You know, Nancy, I don't believe that they should be
calling her a socialite. I think that they should be
calling her a sociopath. That is what this woman is
at the core of who she is. She is a sociopath.
Why we have to be describing this woman who has
hit and killed two children and has absolutely no remorse.
(35:08):
Instead of a socialite socialite, we should be calling her
a sociopath today, because that is just wondering.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
I mean, Cheryl McCollum, director of Mad Georgia, Mother's against
junk driving. Everybody around her, I mean, are they enabling
her drinking and driving way in Naty?
Speaker 9 (35:29):
I think the most important thing is forget everybody around her.
This is solely on her. She did this. This is
nothing new behavior. She chose to drink, she chose to drive,
She chose to try to cover it up, she chose
to try to hide her face. Now she had chosen
not to reach out to the family and apologize. She
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has chosen to do all of these things that show
exactly who she is. And I think that last statement
was pin on accurate.
Speaker 12 (36:00):
She is a social.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Path demands from behind bars, A wealthy socialite who runs
down two little brothers, embracing her Mercedes after a boozy lunch,
makes new demands from behind bars.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
What's next?
Speaker 1 (36:16):
A special pillow, a down duvet, a vegan dinner, special
yoga classes for you?
Speaker 2 (36:24):
What do you want? Woman?
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Two boys?
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Are dead and you're whining as always.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Our prayers with the victim's family at this hour, and
we wait as justice and false.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Goodbye, friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, an evil millionaire socialite who
slaughters two little boys while racing her Mercedes in a
residential area after a boozy lunch, now makes an incredibly
entitled demand from behind bars.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Good evening.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
being with us. The socialite I'll never forget her name,
Rebecca Grossman, who is convicted of murdering two little boys
two brothers with her Mercedes while racing her Mercedes with
her lover after a drunken and booze soaked lunch, demands
(00:47):
her civil trial be moved because of quote sensationalized coverage
of the crimes. She insists she should not be tried
in La County after the parents of Jake of eight
and Mark, eleven brothers sued her for damages after the
boys were run down in Westlake Village there in La Now,
(01:10):
according to court documents we've obtained, she says, Grossman says,
this court is requested to issue in order changing the
place of trial because an impartial trial cannot be had
in La County and nearby vicinities. She's serving fifteen toly
for two counts of second degree murder, and she is
(01:32):
claiming other people are biased. Okay, what do we know
about the case.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
There's so many questions.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Let's start it off.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Just after seven pm on a September evening, Jacob and
Mark Iskander, their siblings and parents, go for an evening
stroll to a nearby lake. The boys enjoy ruler bleeding
and skateboarding. The six member family is heading home, crossing
in a crosswalk at a three way intersection when mother
Nancy heard a speeding car barreling their way. The mom
says her husband and daughter were further away from the street.
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She tries to signal to the two SUVs heading their
way to slow down. She tried to pull the children back,
only managing to grab one of them, a five year old,
and dive out of the way. Jacob and Mark, who
were farther out in the crosswalk, are hit. Mark Iskinder
dies at the scene. Jacob dies later at the hospital.
According to police, Mark was thrown two hundred and fifty
four feet.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Two one hundred and fifty four feet. Can you imagine
that coming up on the scene and seeing a little helmet,
a child's scooter and crime same tape with me an
all star panel to break it down and put it
back together again. First of all, founder of Class Kids Foundation,
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Mark Class. You can find him at class Kids dot org.
And that's with a K. Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina trial lawyer.
You can find her at Ncdomestic Law dot com. Renowned
psychiatrist joining us out of Atlanta, doctor Angela Arnold at
Angela Arnold MD dot com. Founder director of the Cold
(03:07):
Case Research Institute, Former president of Mad Georgia Mothers Against
Drunk Driving. Cheryl McCullum, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author
of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and star of
a new series on the True Crime Network, Poisonous Liaisons.
(03:27):
Joseph Scott Morgan. But first to the lead news anchor,
Wdbo Ray Caputo, Ray Caputo. Two brothers dead and one
fell swoop, one just nine years old, the other just eleven.
What happened?
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Well, Nancy, this was a really hot day that happened
at the Westlake Village, California, is one an hour west
LA depending on the traffic. And it's so hot day
and the family goes out. Jacobs and Mark eight eleven.
They're with their mom and their dad, and two other siblings.
And they're simply crossing the street there.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Okay, hold on, just let me understand something. It's okay.
They're with their whole family. It's not like the children
we're in the middle of the road riding their scooters.
They're in a crosswalk with their family. Correct.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
Yes, a little marched crosswalk.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
You know, I'm gonna understand Where this is, Mark Class,
founder of Class Kids Foundation. Where is Westlake Village? Where
is that in California?
Speaker 6 (04:31):
Well, it's several hundred miles from where I am, but
I've been through west Lake and it's a suburb of
Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
You know, when you say a suburb of LA, having
lived out in LA during Dancing with the Stars, that
could mean anything. I mean, it could be a beach area,
it could be a rural area, it could be farming
land because California is so diverse. But a good hour
outside of LA, in my mind, means suburbs. People that
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will drive an hour to get to work in LA
through that god awful traffic. So we're talking about a
suburb of LA which is full of beautiful country called
Westlake Village. We're talking about Mark and Jacob and they're
nine and eleven years old, and they're with their entire family,
including mommy and daddy. So back to UI computer, I
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think I heard you say they were in a crosswalk.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Correct, Yeah, it was a crosswalk.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
Now, this is a suburb, so it wasn't a heavily
congested area. And when you think of love downtown Los Angeles,
it's a concrete jungle.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
It wasn't like this.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
There wasn't a lot of hills though, and it was residential,
and they weren't across. What they're doing what a lot
of families do on a Tuesday night when it's hot
out and you want to get a little.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Extra suns, you know, I take Lucy and John David,
we get the dog fat Boy, and we walk all
the time, practically every day.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Shine.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
And it's usually about that time when they're done with
school and I'm through with work and everything is calming
down from all the craziness during the day, and I'm
just imagining this family. You know, Raycipedo, you said the
whole family was there. How many of them were there?
Speaker 5 (06:21):
Well, there was at least two siblings that I wanted.
One of them was in a stroll, so there was
the mom and the dad, and you can imagine that
that you the child and the streamers getting the most attention.
They're getting pushed around. But you know everybody was there.
You mom and dad were with the kids in and
there was just there. They could get six of them,
including the.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Boys, the whole family together. You know, when I go
with the whole family together somewhere, I feel more safe
because we're all there together. I've got the children with me,
my husband's there. Were all focused on keeping the twins
safe at all times. Take a listen to Chris Holmstrom
(07:00):
at Caca L nine. It was just before dark.
Speaker 7 (07:03):
A family of six was walking across this crosswalk when
tragedy struck. Captain Salvador Vissera with the La County Sheriff's
Department describes what happened next.
Speaker 8 (07:12):
The family were in a marked crosswalk, clearly marked. As
she realized there were two cars speeding her way, she
was able to reach out and grab one of her
children off of a razor scooter, pulled the child back
with the stroller, with another child a stroller as the
car entered the intersection and hit the other two boys.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
There's six people, including two adults and a stroller. How
could you not see that? It wasn't even dark yet?
To Ray Capudo, did the two boys nine and eleven
die right there on the scene where they raced to
the hospital? What happened?
Speaker 5 (07:55):
Oh, it's just terrible, Nancy. Well, one of the boys
died at the scene. He was carried on the hood
of the car for one hundred feet and then the
car stopped and the little boy flew off and then
he was he was ran over the other child. Okay,
wait wait wait.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Wait wait wait wait wait, slow down, what did you
just say.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Unfortunately, the woman hit the little one little boy and
carried him one hundred feet and then she flew off
the car and she ran him over.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Wait right wait, right there, So it's not dark yet.
They're in a crosswalk. There are six people, including two
adults and a stroller. That accounts for three people, so
there were three others. That is a group. How can
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you miss a group of people? Just let's just pretend
that the driver come over a hill and hit them,
which I don't believe is the case because under the
rules of the road, just like where you put a
double line, you're not supposed to cross on a double line.
Or pass anybody. You wouldn't put a crosswalk right there
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as coming up over hill because it's too dangerous. So
as if you couldn't see them a mile away. We
learn from witnesses that one of these two little boys
was carried on the hood of the car for one
hundred feet. Crime stories with Nancy Grace spoiled brat socialite
(09:39):
Rebecca Grossman issuing demands from behind bars that her civil
trial be moved. In a further attempt at sympathy, her
lawyers claim her family got death threats. Okay, the last
I looked, they were still alive, and well, she's the problem,
not her family. They also shared polling results claiming forty
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four percent of La County residents recognize her name and
seventeen percent pulled in Chulane County next door.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Knew who she is.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Okay, well, you'd have to be living under a rock
in a cave on the other side of the world
with earmuff song not to know who Rebecca Grossman is.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
That does not mean they cannot be impartial.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
I mean, for Pete's saint, look at Shan Combs's trial,
who didn't know who did he is? Yet they freed
him on three of the five counts. Good luck with that, Grossman.
What more do we know about the case? I want
to go back to you, Wrekkiputo. This was in a crosswalk,
and they have engineers looking at where a crosswalk should be,
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where there should be a double line, where you should
put a red light or a stop sign or a
flashing yellow light for reasons. Because at fence with a topography,
I just don't believe that a crosswalk was You mentioned hills.
That's where I'm getting this from you, Raki Pudo. I
just don't believe a crosswalk was right at the top
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of the hill.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
Well there was a crosswalks. You go imagine, imagine the
team and there's a road that's coming down at hilly,
very hilly road coming down and then there's a crosswalk.
So my assumption is is that you know that that
might have played into it. It says that she was
on this road and I believe that she have taken
a turn where there was a stop sign and just
ripping through it because she was going really fast. And
(11:31):
I've seen this on a map and I can't understand
how someone who was intoxicated just out of their mind
not paying attention to the room.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
If you're coming down a road, like you're saying, there's
a hill coming down, you can see down. It's not
as if she was coming up a hill and then
suddenly you're in a crosswalk and there are people in
the middle of it. Cheryl McCollum, you're the former president
of Mothers Against Driving Georgia.
Speaker 9 (11:55):
Help me out here, Nancy. There were so many things
this woman did wrong for that accident.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I'm just talking right now about the crosswalk. Crosswalks are
there in that spot for a reason, so you can see.
Speaker 9 (12:10):
It correct, but not somebody that's drunk. It could very
well be she was fiddling with the radio. It could
be that she was going through her purse.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Okay, speaking of that, take a listen to anchor Suzanne
Marquez with Tina Pattel CBS LA.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
We have more breaking news.
Speaker 7 (12:30):
A driver has been arrested after a crash last night
in Westlake Village that killed two children. CBS two is
Tina Pattel is live with the latest on this investigation.
It's heartbreaking developments this morning, Tina.
Speaker 10 (12:43):
It really is. One boy died here at the scene.
The other one was taken to the hospital. And we
just learned that he also passed away. Now the Sheriff's
department is not releasing the ages of those boys, are
saying whether they are related. But you can see the
news of the tragic death has hit this community. Many
are coming now.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
To leave flowers.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Oh yeah, they weren't releasing a lot of information, and
now we know why. Take a listen to Mary Beth
McDade KTLA five Grossman.
Speaker 11 (13:11):
Who's married to a prominent plastic surgeon, Peter Grossman, reportedly
hit one boy who rolled up onto her hood. She
reportedly slammed on her brigs so he'd roll off, and
then she ran him over. Deputies reportedly caught up with
Grossman about a quarter mile away in her white Mercedes,
which had front end damage, and arrested her.
Speaker 8 (13:29):
Rebecca Grossman was arrested for vehico. She's being charged two
counts of vehicular manslaughter and was arrested for duy.
Speaker 11 (13:35):
The Scanders are well known in their Westlake village and
church communities.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
So Rebecca Grossman was driving that white Mercedes married to
a prominent plastic surgeon, Peter Grossman. Now Cheryl McCollum, former
director of mad M a d D mothers against driving Georgia.
(14:00):
Did you hear that that reportedly hit one boy and
he flew up onto her hood. She kept going about
one hundred feet and slammed on brakes so the boy
would roll off, then ran over him and did not stop.
She kept going. Did you get that in the news
report from KTLA five.
Speaker 9 (14:22):
Think about that day the.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Cops stit and find her for a quarter of a mile.
Speaker 9 (14:27):
But Nancy, think about the fact that she's already hurt
him severely by running over him and killing his brother.
She made the choice of getting that child off the
hood of her car and ran over him in order
to flee and get away. She made the conscious choice
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to do more damage to that baby than to stop
and render aids.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Joining me right now, I want to go straight out
to doctor Angela Arnold, psychiatrist at Angela Arnold MD dot com.
What in the world would make you keep going after
you hit a child? It reminds me of a case
I covered on Court TV while back, and the defendant's
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name was Chante Mallard. She hit a man in a street,
then with him on the hood. Stuck on the hood,
she drives all the way to her home pulls her
car into the garage, closes the garage, and leaves him
on the windshield to die. He could have been saved
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in the time. She sat in there going wow, Am
I going to get in trouble for this? She left
the guy impaled on the hood while he died. Here
you've got this woman, according to eyewitnesses, carried the little
boy on the hood of the car one hundred feet,
slammed on brakes, the boy fell off, then she ran
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over him.
Speaker 12 (16:00):
It's such a horrific act, Nancy, that most of us
cannot understand. But to me, it speaks to something deeper
that is wrong with this woman. On top of her
alcohol addiction.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Apparently, Well, let's talk about that for a moment. I
want to find out from you, Raycipudowdbo, why alcohol is
being thrown around. How come we don't think she was
just let's just say, street racing or joy riding or
in a hurry. How did alcohol get into the mix?
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Well, that's what the deputy said.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
What they found her about a mile down the road. Dancy,
this is a scary car. We see this a lot
with people who have money. They know what happens when
things go sideways is if you hit somebody and you're drinking,
the best thing to do is get the heck away
from the scene, apparently and not be seen until you're
sober up. This woman's car breaks down a mile away,
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and that's when she's busted. If she would have got
a way, I would almost guarantee that they remounting a
defense of I wasn't drinking now. Also, you mentioned street racing.
She was apparently street racing too. She was traveling at
a high rate of speed, and she was drinking. I mean,
what a host of factors. And you wonder why something
went wrong.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Here we'll tell you how I learned that dui. Driving
under the influence of alcohol or drugs was part of this.
Because she is renowned, prominent member of the community, husband
is a high profile plastic surgeon. She was arrested on
suspicion of manslaughter and dui after smashing her speaking Mercedes
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into brothers Mark and Jacob eleven and nine Westlake Village.
She only stopped a mile and a half away when
her engine cut out. Cheryl McCollum, former director of Mad
Mother's Against Junk Driving Georgia, she didn't pull over and
call police. She was only stop because of car trouble.
Speaker 9 (18:01):
She did nothing to help this family. She did nothing
to help the two little boys. She did nothing to
render aid help it anyway. She didn't even go to
a pay phone and call NOW one one anonymously to
get help. There.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
You know, Cheryl, suffering the sudden and criminal death of
somebody you love sticks with you forever, as you all know,
having dealt with so many crime victims. But this mother
and father were right there. One son died on the scene.
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Cheryl and the car kept going.
Speaker 9 (18:41):
What that must be like to them? I mean the
Huggies to race BMX and I can play right now
in my head the worst rent he ever had. And
he was fine. But as a mother, you just, you know,
play it over and over and over what they must
be living with watching their two children moved down, one
(19:05):
killed at the scene, one you have hoped for for
a moment, and then that snatched from you too, because
this woman decides she wants to drink in street race.
You're not from a seventeen year old kid that makes
a stupid decision.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Believe it or not.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Wealthy socialite Rebecca Grossman accused suspect number one in mowing
down two little boys out walking with their family gets
the courtroom victory. But what happened when the boys lost
their lives? According to police, this woman, Rebecca Grossman, prominent
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in her community and wealthy, not only mowed the two
little boys down in front of mom and dad, but
kept going. She was charged with suspicion of voluntary manslaughter
and d ui. I want you to take a listen
to our cut number twelve. Now you may recognize some
of these voices. This is a montage of all the
(20:10):
coverage about how fantastic this woman and her husband were.
Speaker 13 (20:18):
So many of us at ABC News know about the
work that the Grossman burn Foundation has done to provide
so much care, new life for women, children, people around
the United States and the world in need of that
urgent medical care.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
I just wanted to take a moment of your time
this evening to say a few words about the Grossman
burn Foundation. This extraordinary organization is making a huge difference
around the world.
Speaker 13 (20:43):
Another miracle at the Grossman Burn Center here at Southern Calumnia, That'stia.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
The Grossman Burne Foundation has launched a campaign to stop
the violence carried out against women around the world.
Speaker 7 (20:53):
A local Oscar winning special effects artist has become a
hero to a woman on the other side of the globe,
a woman whose face was destroyed by her own husband.
Speaker 14 (21:01):
Rebecca Grossman of the Grossman Burne Foundation, found out about
Eustonce Rebecca takes the prosthetics, travels to Indonesia and delivers
them to Houstons in person. It's a day eustonce never
thought would come. Finally she gets the first sign of
hope that she'll feel complete again.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
You're hearing so much about the Burne Foundation. Remember, this
woman's husband is a prominent plastic surgeon, so they're well
known and.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Wealthy in that community.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
I know that the husband, who is, as I said,
a wealthy and prominent plastic surgeon, had been working with
the burn Foundation. But what about the wife, Rebecca Grossman,
and what about that particular day that these two little
(21:53):
boys were mowed down? Take a listen to Tina Patel's
CBS LA.
Speaker 10 (22:00):
Investigators arrested a fifty seven year old driver and charged
her with vehicular manslaughter. Or white Mercedes with front end
damage was towed away about a half mile from the
crash scene, but investigators would not confirm whether the drivers
stop voluntarily or whether this was a hidden run people
who live nearby. I hope this crash will be a
wake up call for drivers to slow down and for
the city to do more to protect pedestrians.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
You know, I want to go to you, Mark Class,
founder of Class Kids Foundation to protect children. Have you
ever seen cases where the public doesn't get all the
details for a lot of the facts surrounding the case
are kept under the rug. For instance, what is this
woman's blood alcohol? They're not even saying that. They'll confirm
(22:44):
it was a hit and run. She was arrested about
a mile away. Yes, it was a hit and run.
I don't need a crime scene reconstruction is to tell
me that Mark Class nw.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
She the nonprofit world is full of hip hops. It's
full of wealthy people who sit on boards of nonprofit
organizations for no other reason than they can talk about
themselves at cocktail parties and give each other awards for
the great work that they do. And I think Cheryl
can attest to that she knows the nonprofit world as well.
(23:18):
And I think that's exactly what we have here.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
Now.
Speaker 6 (23:21):
They can talk about how wonderful missus Grossman is and
all of the great things she's done. But she's also
the woman who plowed down two little boys, bumped one
of them off of the hood of her car, and
then ran over him again so that she could escape responsibility.
This is a woman with no conscience. This is a
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woman with no morals. This is a woman who most
certainly does not belong behind the driver's seat of a car.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Cheryl McCollum, I know that she's charged with suspicion dui.
Now you know the case will be ruined if they
did not do an appropriate blood alcohol content test on her,
a blow test, and that is the end of a
dui case. If you let her off the hook from
that blow test at the scene, you can't prove a
(24:14):
trial she was dui. So they have her charge with
suspicion dui. Why would they have charged her with that, Cheryl, There.
Speaker 9 (24:23):
Must be some evidence either they could smell alcohol in
her breath, there was evidence in the car of a
bottle or something like that. But Nancy, the other thing
they're missing. They don't have the traditional things you would
have with an accident like this. They're not going to
have kid mark. She didn't stop.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Good point.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Good point.
Speaker 9 (24:42):
So there's so many things. They can't get her accurate speed.
They may not have an accurate beapie, they may not
have it.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
We do know this though, Cheryl. Now, this is good
news for the prosecution if they take the case all
the way, if they don't get over and pressed with
money and prominence. Joe Scott Morgan, the professor forensics Jacks
Will State University and death investigator. The cops have broken
down and told us that this socialite, Rebecca Grossman, did
(25:14):
test over the legal limit.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Explain, Yeah, the legal limit, dependent upon where you are,
is generally going to be in a range of about
point zero one point five that region right there, and
it's going to go to significant impairment and that is
your motor function. How can you make judgments? But this
(25:39):
is one of the problems going back to what Max
said just a second ago with her. You know, this
woman has a history of driving while intoxicated. This is
my question. If she is addicted to alcohol, her tolerance
level is going to be much higher. So there are
(26:00):
people that have a dependency upon alcohol that can still
function be up, you know, whereas you or I might
have a drink couple of glasses of wine or something,
and we're out like a baby. This woman might could
go through two or three bottles of wine, so be
upright and functioning. Uh So, it's it's kind of a
hit or miss. They need to have done this early on.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
And look at the front end of her Mercedes. You
can see it at climeonline dot com.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Yeah. Yeah, if I could address another car, Yeah, if
I could address that, this is a full size Mercedes sedan, Nancy,
And you know Mercedes, one thing they're known for. It's
not just a luxury car. They're known as being a
safe car, well built. And Nancy, it looks like she
ran into a damn telephone pole. It's a center mass strike.
(26:49):
And just so people at home will understand, if you
imagine that great big Mercedes symbol that sits right in
the center of the grill, that's gone, and not only that,
the hood itself is crushed in. This gives us an
indication that when she struck these two little boys, as
you mentioned, just a second ago, in front of their parents.
(27:10):
Mind you, she was traveling at such a high rate that,
at least because I don't have all the data from
the scene, it gives the appearance that she hit a
fixed object. Nancy, not some non anchored person like these
two children. She hit something at such a high rate
of speed it literally collapsed the front of that car.
(27:33):
I don't see how the airbags kept from deploying. And
if you look at that image real quick, she did
try to flee. The only reason she didn't get away.
If you take a real close look at that image
on crime A Line, you'll see that there are fluids
that have poured out of the bottom of this thing,
so it disabled the vehicle. My guess is, as Ray
(27:53):
had alluded to earlier, is that if she could have
put as much distance between her and that event, that homicide,
then you would have had time for the blood alcohol
to metabolize in her system. She would have gone. And
this has happened numbers of times with high profile people
(28:14):
over the years. If you don't have that science to
back it up, if you don't know what the BA
is at that moment in time, you've lost it.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Foreverything crime stories with Nancy Grace in the last days,
millionaire social like Rebecca Grossman making demands from behind bars.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Does it never end with this woman? What happened that day.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
When two little brothers were run down dead by her,
and then she lied about it. Six family members were
crossing the three way intersection in a marked cross.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Walk on the road. The parents.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Heard the speeding Mercedes. They could hear it speeding and
hearing the car, they reached out to grab their children.
They grabbed Zachary and Violet, Mark and Jacob.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Were too far away.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
They heard the speeding car. Cheryl, now you understand the
legal implications of this. They could hear it at a
distance speeding. There were no skid marks. The parents grabbed
the children they can reach. The ones they couldn't reach
were mowed down. Analyze it, Cheryl McCollum.
Speaker 9 (29:40):
Nancy, what you're going to have is you're going to
have the police go. They've got to go back. They've
got to get video from every ring camera. If they
have the flock system, they've got to get that video.
They've got to trace her action backwards. Where did she drink,
how much did she drink? Where did she get it
from that she paid for it? Was it already at home?
(30:02):
Was she had a bar when?
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Yeah, they're going to retrace all of their her steps,
at least I hope they are.
Speaker 9 (30:09):
That they've got to an eighty because they don't have
anything else because again they know the blood alcohol is
going to be contested. They know that they're going to
have a fight on their hands. So they've got to
go back and show, just like you used to do that,
this crime didn't occur at nine forty seven PM or
six forty five. This crime occurred at two o'clock when
(30:30):
she took her first drink. It occurred at three fifteen
when she took the next one, It occurred at five
sixty when she had her third one, and then she
chose to get in the car after five or six
or a bottle. And that's what they've got to show
the importance of that. They've got to go back and
show every speeding ticket. They've got to show every failure
(30:52):
to maintain lane. They've got to show every DUI she's
ever had, even if they reduced it to you know whatever,
they might have reduced it to reckless driving or such.
You know, we all know reckless driving. Usually the DUI.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
That's been reduced.
Speaker 9 (31:08):
They got to look at every single one, every single
time her prominent husband has saved her. They've got to
go talk to friends and said, hey, how many contail parties.
Does she throw how often do y'all know her to
You know.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
It's going to be critical that they trace her steps
that day. Amen, Because Mark Class, I mean, have you
ever heard accident used in DUIs? It's no accident, Mark Class, Because,
as Cheryl McCollum was saying, you start in the day drinking,
you decide to get your car keys, You decide to
(31:42):
walk out to your car after you've been drinking. You
decide to insert the key in the ignition and start
the car, put it reverse and then drive there you go.
All those were conscious decisions, Mark Class.
Speaker 6 (31:56):
There were conscious decisions. Why a woman who's probably done
that hundreds of times and doesn't really seem to care
about the safety of anybody else, feels that she's privileged
enough that she can do what she wants when she
wants and have some kind of a sterling reputation and
a lot of money to fall back on.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Straight out to Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina, try a lawyer
at the scene. We've seen so many celebrity walk a
straight line tests, touch your nose tests or the ABC's test.
What other tests are performed at the state are supposed
to be performed when cops suspect do UI.
Speaker 15 (32:32):
Well, obviously the markers are a breathalyzer. She could refuse
the breathalyzer. She refuses the breathalyzers.
Speaker 12 (32:40):
They'll take blood work at the hospital or wherever she
can car sorts.
Speaker 15 (32:43):
I would suppose they can do the field sobriety tests
such as heel toe. They also can take other steps
to determine whether or not they're drinking, such's alcohol bottles
in the car, the smell of alcohol on that lady's bread.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
We do know that this prominent socialite, Rebecca Grossman, was
involved in an accident twenty twelve where the other driver
claims she ran a red light driving over sixty five
in a forty mph zone and plowed into the back
of his car. The driver passed away later from ill health,
(33:22):
but the insurance report includes his detailed description of the crash. Now,
in that case, we know that insurance paid out one
hundred thousand dollars in a settlement with Grossman. She was
injured in that too, So what if anything, do we
(33:42):
know about her history, Raykipudo.
Speaker 6 (33:44):
Well, Dancy, she's not a good driver, that's for sure.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
I mean, you can only speculate that that's connected to this.
I don't know for sure, but it seems to be
that the writing was on the wall for miss Grossman,
and she had plenty of opportunity to fix some of
the issues that she had in her life, but you know,
she didn't.
Speaker 6 (34:02):
And here we are.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
This tragedy was avoidable. There was something that shouldn't have happened,
and now this family is going to be living with
us for the rest of their lison. This Glos's life
is done too. Pretty much, her reputation is gone.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
I'm really more worried about the two dead boys than
anybody's reputation, Doctor Angel Arnold. What about the people surrounding her?
I mean, according to a Daily Mail report quote, she's
a reckless driver. The socialite charge with killing two young
boys in Dui hit and run previously totaled another driver's
car after quote speeding through a red light, and then
(34:38):
she sued him even though she ran into the back
of his car.
Speaker 12 (34:44):
You know, Nancy, I don't believe that they should be
calling her a socialite. I think that they should be
calling her a sociopath. That is what this woman is
at the core of who she is. She is a sociopath.
Why we have to be describing this woman who has
hit and killed two children and has absolutely no remorse.
(35:08):
Instead of a socialite socialite, we should be calling her
a sociopath today, because that is just wondering.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
I mean, Cheryl McCollum, director of Mad Georgia, Mother's against
junk driving. Everybody around her, I mean, are they enabling
her drinking and driving way in Naty?
Speaker 9 (35:29):
I think the most important thing is forget everybody around her.
This is solely on her. She did this. This is
nothing new behavior. She chose to drink, she chose to drive,
She chose to try to cover it up, she chose
to try to hide her face. Now she had chosen
not to reach out to the family and apologize. She
(35:50):
has chosen to do all of these things that show
exactly who she is. And I think that last statement
was pin on accurate.
Speaker 12 (36:00):
She is a social.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Path demands from behind bars, A wealthy socialite who runs
down two little brothers, embracing her Mercedes after a boozy lunch,
makes new demands from behind bars.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
What's next?
Speaker 1 (36:16):
A special pillow, a down duvet, a vegan dinner, special
yoga classes for you?
Speaker 2 (36:24):
What do you want? Woman?
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Two boys?
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Are dead and you're whining as always.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Our prayers with the victim's family at this hour, and
we wait as justice and false.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Goodbye, friend,
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