June 11, 2025 • 43 mins
Sean “Diddy” Combs’ attorneys cross-examined his ex-girlfriend, “Jane,” who testified that the rapper’s sexual preferences may stem from bi-curiosity.
Jane, testifying under a pseudonym, told jurors she still loves Combs, who continues to pay her rent after giving her approximately $150,000 during their three-year relationship.
As Jane recalled fond memories—giving Combs foot massages and watching hours of Dateline—the rapper smiled and nodded from the defense table.
Jane said the word “cuckold” described what she and Combs engaged in sexually. She explained that a cuck gets “pleasure seeing his woman receive pleasure from the other man” and may harbor bi-curiosity that he explores indirectly through his partner. Jane also said Combs referred to himself, her, and a male escort known as “Paul” by the names of NBA legends.
According to her, she was Kobe Bryant, Paul was Shaquille O’Neal, and Combs called himself Michael Jordan. She said the trio referred to themselves as the “trifecta.”
On the stand, Jane testified that Combs coerced her into sex acts and threatened to stop paying her rent if she refused. She also said Combs threatened to send sexually explicit videos of her to her son’s father.
Combs’ attorneys deny he coerced Jane or Cassie Ventura into sex.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Eric Faddis - Partner at Varner Faddis Elite Legal, Former Felony Prosecutor and Current Criminal Defense and Civil Litigation Attorney; Instagram: @e_fad @varnerfaddis; TikTok: @varnerfaddis
- Dr. Bethany Marshall- Psychoanalyst, Author: "Deal Breaker," and featured in hit show "Paris in Love" on Peacock; Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, X: @DrBethanyLive
- Tisa Tells - Pop Culture Investigator & Commentator and Host of 'Tisa Tells' on YouTube; YouTube: @TisaTells, Instagram & TikTok: @TisaTellss
- Lauren Conlin - Podcaster/Reporter/Host- Co-Host of "PopCrimeTV" on YouTube, Website: www.popcrime.tv and primetimecrimeshow.com, X- @Conlin_Lauren, Instagram: @LaurenEmilyConlin, YouTube: @PopCrimeTV
- Shannon Henry - President & Founder of SASS Go (Surviving Assault Standing Strong: a nonprofit on a mission to eradicate abuse, trafficking and violence against women and girls globally) Case Consultant, and Adjunct Professor at the University of South Carolina in the Department of Education; @sassgoglobal on FB, Instagram, X, and TikTok
- Rob Shuter - Host: Naughty But Nice Podcast [for all the breaking celebrity news, sign up for Rob Shuter daily newsletter on Substack] and Former Publicist of Sean Combs; IG: @naughtygossip
- Sydney Sumner - CRIME STORIES Investigative Reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Dirty Ditty demands thirty straight hours of forced sex marathons
with no sleep. This as we learn Seawan Comb's fetishizes
the NBA greats Shaquille Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant as Dirty
(00:27):
Ditty's defense team attacks the assault victim on the stand
with a designer handbag. Dirty Ditty, what the cook? A
cook by curious, ashamed to have sex with men? This,
according to is X and it is all coming out
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on the stand.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
I'm Nancy Grece. This is Crime Stories and I want
to thank you for being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Objection myrari nd he needed to see that Willie Free.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
We've heard some bombshells out of the shining.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
He beat her the hell in back. He smacks her
in the face again.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
Objection my rand That alleged sex assault victim on the
stand undergoing intense cross examination.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Through out the day.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Joining us at the courthouse as the Monahan Federal Courthouse
in downtown Manhattan. Special guest Tisa Tails joining us pop
culture investigator and host Autisa Tales on YouTube.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
How did she hold up under.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Cross and what does a five thousand dollars Buttega designer bag.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
How to do with anything.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Listen, we were in the court and we were wondering
the same thing. But our little sweet bunny rabbit looks
like she sharpened her shink today. And she pushed back
on and one of the more humiliating things for Diddy's
defense team. It started off why she was just going
through mundane questioning have you had this?
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Have you had that?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
She mentioned you seem to be mad that he took
somebody shopping in Chanelle. She literally said yeah, because all
these other girls were, you know, being sewn off.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
The defence team thought they could sharpen and go in
and they thought they could actually break her, maybe get
her to feel a little bit ashamed or show how.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Petty she was. And the defense team went on this.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Really odd way of questioning, well, you got a vancle bracelet,
and she said, okay, I did.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
I'm sorry. I was a little bunny rabbit. She has
a voice like sunshine. Yes I did. Then they asked her,
and you got a book? Taga bag? How much was
a be taga bag calls?
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Now, this is a defense attorney and head to toe Chanel,
our little bunny Rabbit sharpened her shank and said, you
have one.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Don't you to push it back? Because again the line
of questioning was so insulting. After she just finished a
day ago.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Telling us how she was an unwilling participant in a
cracked out version of the Shining, they're now trying to
say that somehow a bag and a bracelet somehow made
up for everything.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
But however, the.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Defense was a little bit taken aback. She said, well,
I mean, how much is it fifteen hundred or.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Five thousand, like how much is a botaga bag worth?
Speaker 3 (03:11):
And our little bunny rapit said how much is my
body worth? And the whole courtroom was just sitting there
and shock because it was such a beautiful thing to
see that a victim, somebody that Diddy had made full
small broken both mentally and literally physically. Finally, in that moment,
why did he is sitting there looking like she's smirking
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at her almost was able to hold her own against
the defense team and pushed back and push the narrative
that my body's worth more, I'm worth more. So it
was a powerful moment in the court.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
When you said, Sean Combs aka Diddy, is smirking in
the courtroom. Could you demonstrate that, because that's not a
good look, even if he thinks he's winning, even if
a couple of the jurors thinks he's winning.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
For him to smirk, that could backfire. Show me what
he's doing.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Okay, So when I say smirk, okay, this is the
best way I could use to describe it. But let
me show you.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Okay, whatever, there are certain witnesses on to me, it
almost like he's trying to get into the witness's head.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Okay, Now, the smirk isn't something.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Like h like a marble villain like they've been accusing
him of being. It's something more like his posture gets
almost like he owns the place.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
He kind of slouches just to the side a little bit.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
His head's kind of like cocked just a little bit,
and he's looking at them with a posture like are
you kidding me?
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Now he has wised up, doesn't look like he's playing
to the jury anymore. But when it comes to the witnesses,
we saw this with Jane, we saw this with Mia,
we saw this with Cassie, we saw this wa Bona
and everybody else, he literally still has his attitude, like
he runs the room, and he's literally just looking at
them like are you.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Kidding me again?
Speaker 3 (04:52):
I would think that if I was on trial like
that and people were lying on me, I would have
right his anger. I would just just anything, or even
just have a a platonic face and body language where
nothing can be read in So the fact that he's
almost imperceptibly kind of letting them know that he still
runs the room, he still runs the place, it says
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something to me about where he is and whether he's
truly repentant.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Joining me an all star panel.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
But I've gotten to go right now, straight to Rob
Sheeter joining us PR guru FORO Sean comes for years
no longer star of Naughty but Nice podcast which is amazing,
and you can find him at Rob Sheeter substack and
that shooter shut er Rob the smirking. It actually gave
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me a flashback they Scott Peterson double murder trial where
I would sit there and just watch Scott Peterson stride
into the courtroom and my immediate reaction. Since I got
cut from the girls basketball team and became a cheerleader
as a back up, I would watch the football team
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come onto the field and then be coming out all
puffed up like that, but they're thrown back. And I
would watch him walk in like that every day, like
he was totally the cock of the walk right, and
everyone else started watching him, or maybe they were before me,
and we would just watch him walk in. And that
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is what I think she's trying to say. It's an attitude.
It's a bad look in front of a jury. But
I want to hear your take on that. I can
just see Sean Combs sweeping into a fancy restaurant or
some other venue. I got to hear the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
Well, first of all, NC, I've seen that look from Puff.
I know that look. I've seen it. I think we
did a really really great job explaining it. He looks
down his nose, he cocks his head back, and he
looks down his nose as if he is the king
of the world. It's a look of arrogance, it's a
look of dominant and it's a look that comes to
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him very very easily. And that's the reason, Nancy, that
he's having trouble turning it off shore. And Puffy is
a very smart person. He at the moment is acting
like an idiot. I think that's his natural look.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
I thought he.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
Would be smart enough, a good enough actor to hide it. However,
that appears not to be the case.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
You know, I guess too.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Doctor Bethany Marshall a psychoanalyst joining us out of la
she has You can see her now on Peacock. She
wrote an incredible book, deal Breaker, on Amazon, and you
can find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Doctor Bethany King of the World. Okay, what's a cook?
Speaker 7 (07:48):
A cook is somebody who wants to see his wife
or partner having sex with other men. The fetishized fantasy
that elicits arousal is the idea that the woman is
cheating on him while he's away, And according to Jane,
one of the sexual fantasies that he wanted to relive
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with her was while he was on his private jet,
she was asking one of the male escorts to come
in and have.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Sex with her. So that's called cuckholding.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Okay, you're saying, doctor Bethany, a cook ck wants to
watch their partner have sex with somebody else. Why would
you want that? Because you know, my marriage motto is
open marriage, open casket.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
So I don't get it. Explain that desire to me, well,
I think there's a couple aspects.
Speaker 7 (08:39):
One we see with people who have sex addiction and
drug addiction is an impaired reward system where they need
to push the envelope more and more to gain sexual arousal.
But the other is that men who want to be
cuck holded are often by curious and they have fantasies
of having sex with other men, but they're too inhibited
(09:02):
or for whatever reason, they're not going to carry it out,
so they would rather watch their wife or partner have
sex with other men so they can incorporate same sex
attraction and arousal into a heterosexual relationship.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I think I understand what you're saying, doctor Bethany Listen.
Speaker 8 (09:21):
Jane says the hotel nights often involved cheating roleplay with
Combs and the entertainer. Colmbs expected her to pretend he
was away on a trip and she was sneaking the
entertainer into her home behind his back. This roleplay would
begin over digital communications when booking a hotel night with
an entertainer familiar to them, with Combs.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Directing her to ask for explicit.
Speaker 8 (09:41):
Videos and images from the entertainer and respond with flirting
messages like I can't wait to get you alone, Jane says.
After the entertainer left, Colmbs liked to watch his recordings
of the hotel night while they had sex for a replay.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Straight back out to Tisa Tale standing by at the courthouse,
pop culture investigator and star off Tasa Tails.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
On YouTube Tisa Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
They would play back the video of the hotel night
aka free cough aka sex session, rape torment like a
football game, like a replay, like.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
The worst Netflix until in the world it gets.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Deeper than that.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
He would literally mirror his phone onto the television screen,
so she was forced to do that. She was doing
everything she could to get out of the next free call,
and she suddenly saw him texting an escort.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Offer her phone, Hey, why don't you call one.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
What they described in court was something that again, I
get the cold cold, but then I wouldn't I researched it.
I said, Okay, but I don't see crackhead in the
definition of cold colds.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
I don't see grain gums. I don't see.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Dressed as a burker from the neck up and deck
up from the neck down.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
I don't see that in a definition of a cold cold.
The defense is trying to run with this. They want
to say that's all it was.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
But again, hold, I never thought I would say this,
But I think that Sean Diddy Colms gave cut Holding
a bad name, if that's possible to do. But we
were shocked in the courtroom.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Okay, let me.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Understand the whole by curious claim by the girlfriend on
the stand, and we're talking about Jane, not her real name.
Now she has testimony that is intrinsic to her, that
is unique from the other witnesses testimony. However, I believe
that she and others such as Mia are there largely
(11:36):
to buttress or corroborate Cassie Venturira, the state star witness.
The Jane testimony is taking on a life of its own.
Tell me about the bisexual claim.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
So the bisexual claim, it's very interesting.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Okay, she didn't know what was going on.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Keep in mind, we're still in the early parts of
this Romeo.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
I'm gonna so her this Romeo situation.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Okay, he's introducing her into this life of darkness. So
he's starting off slow. So she's trying to make sense
of what's going on? Why does he want all these
disgusting things? And they even played audio where you can
see her literally it was so embarrassing and humiliating for Diddy,
where you can clearly see this woman is doing everything
she can to get out of the next free goll Again,
(12:23):
it hasn't descended into violence and pure debauchery, but so she's.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Googling what's going on? Why does he like to see
other men?
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Why does he stand in the corner and diddle with himself?
Speaker 4 (12:34):
What is going on?
Speaker 3 (12:35):
So that's when she said, I think he's by curious. However,
she did say this was early on. Again, the defense
really didn't know what to do with her because they
thought they could get her on the stand and bully
her around, but she started literally saying, he's a cuck hole,
he's by, he has gray teeth, shaking hands, he looks
like a crackhead.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
And they really didn't know what to do with that.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
And they just focus on both Tega bags and even
that kind of blue up in their face.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
So it was puzzling. But again the buye was the
beginning to Sidney.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Sun was joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter Sydney. This
fits in hand in hand with many of the civil
claims filed by male alleged victims.
Speaker 9 (13:17):
Explain well, Nancy, nearly half of the civil lawsuits filed
against Sean Colmes have come from men. And we heard
this at the very beginning. Just after Cassie Ventura. Robbie Jones,
the music producer, was the next person to file a
very explosive lawsuit and he claims that Shawan Colmes was
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bisexual and was in our relationships with many male black celebrity.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
First of all, I don't care. I don't care who
sleeps with who as long as it's not my husband.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
It's not my business until it becomes a felony.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Up until then, don't care.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
But to Rob Shooter joining me former are your fortune comes?
How will they buy curious allegation play in the rap world?
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Not well at all.
Speaker 6 (14:12):
This is still one area of the music business, of
the entertainment business, that has been very, very slow to
embrace LGPTQ people. It has been a problem. I've been
to several big events where it really is, the homophobia
is there. It's tried to be sort of kept under wraps,
but fans don't like it. If you listen to rap music,
(14:34):
particularly rap music that's on the charts and the most
successful rap music, it is not unusual to find a misogynistic,
a homophobic lyric thrown around as if it is just
everyday talk. So this will not go over well. And
this is probably one of the reasons that if Diddy
is indeed bisexual, it's something that he will definitely want
(14:58):
to keep hush hush under the covers.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Day twenty one in the courthouse had standing by outside
the Mona Hound Building is Tisa tells Tisa, thank you
for being with us.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
I want to quickly.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Go to Eric Fattus, joining me, jumping off something Tisa
has just reported. Eric Fattus is a veteran trial lawyer,
TV legal analyst founding partner Varner Fattest Elite Legal.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Eric.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
This also brings back another daymare flashback of Oorenthal James Simpson.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
While all this horrible.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Testimony is coming in and they put up a picture
of Nicole Brown with her face just swollen and black
on one side, everybody's looking at him.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
You know what he's doing. He's Professor Simpson taking notes.
Of course, all the notes said I did it? How
do I get out of this?
Speaker 2 (15:53):
But what can you do when you're hearing about being
a cook and you're hearing about being naked from the
neck down in a burka from the neck up and
the gray gums and blood? What can he do besides
take notes and squint at a screen.
Speaker 10 (16:12):
That's the thing. I mean, he's been sitting in this
child hearing on godly accusations against him, and hey.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
This is one of the oldest texts.
Speaker 10 (16:21):
Well is that.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Why is he in the courtroom? Why is his ass
and a sling that's on him? He finds himself in
the courtroom. It's like he woke up like Alice in
Wonderland and went where am I?
Speaker 1 (16:37):
That's not what went down? Man?
Speaker 10 (16:39):
Is he in the courtroom because there's substantial evidence against him?
Or is this the government trying to assassinate his character
because they don't have the goods to bring it. Look,
they're talking about cuck cold and gray teeth, his body
role play by curious. All of that seems like inflammatory
tactics that are trying to compensate for a possible lack
(16:59):
of actual evidence. And so yeah, they can assassinate his
character all he wants, But at the end of the day.
You know, we know how the OJ trial ended up,
and this one could be going in that direction.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Okay, you know what, you sit back and keep on
saying that. Just live in your dream land. Because Tasa
Tail's joining us. I'm about to go to Shannon Henry
joining us, who fights sex assaults and sex trafficking on
girls and women.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Tasa Tales, could you refresh Eric.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Fattis's recollection about the beatings that Jane took.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
The four doors that were torn.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Down bare handed by Shawn Come so he could get
at her to beat her.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Absolutely, But since I want to say, if there's anybody
trying to assassinate the character, this came out when did.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
He stuff fence team, So maybe he needs to look
to see that if somebody's a paid.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Assassin on his own defense team, because they did a
good job of putting their client's character the dirt. But again,
this is coming on the heels of him being literally
reenacting the shining kicking through doors, her running through the house,
locking doors, kicking through heavy wooden doors, literally putting her
(18:15):
up in a choke hole, or her little toes are
dangling off her fleeing in a dark California neighborhood, barefoot,
hiding for two hours outside of her house, coming back
being mercilessly beating him, humiliating her by calling the woman
that he's seeing while she hears all this happening, then
going after.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
She is black and blue with knots holl over her head.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
She goes into the shower to kind of disassociate, and
he snacks her three times and knocks her to the
ground with the shower, then demands she cover up those bruises,
ice the two golf ball Sills knocks on her heads
and ice and literally cover up her bruises, and she
is forced to take this effing pill because she's not
going to ruin his fan night. Drugs are force down
(19:00):
her throat, and then she is forced to perform a
freak golf If you think that Greg gums in any
way overshadows the horror movie we heard yesterday, I don't
know what to say, but I think Diddy should hire
you on his team to make him feel good, because
he needs someone to sit with him in his land
of delusion, you.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Know, joining me.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Shannon Henry, President, Founder SASS Surviving Assault Standing Strong is
a nonprofit which means a lot to me. She's not
in it for the money, obviously, trying to eradicate abuse,
sex assault, and trafficking on women and girls. People don't
get it. It's not their fault.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
They shouldn't get it, Shannon Henry.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Why should regular people that are not in the world
of crime like we are, know about what the battered
women's syndrome is about, what sex traffic victims endear, why.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
They stay in it.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Could you school Eric Faddest he needs it badly?
Speaker 11 (20:01):
Of course, Nancy. I think you know, we do a
disservice to people in a way that they don't understand
that human trafficking is sexual and physical violence on top
of stalking on steroids, and the women that endure it
have lives that are much shorter than women who don't. So,
of course the general public doesn't understand this. They don't
(20:23):
know how it all plays out, but we do. And
let's start with the obvious.
Speaker 10 (20:28):
When you take.
Speaker 11 (20:28):
Women and you beat them, and you get them high,
and you coerce them into having sex.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace, look at your monitor, Shannon.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
That is a knife one of the alleged victims.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Put in her door because she is so afraid of
Sean comes. That's Cassie Ventira had a knife.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
And the door.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Well, you hear about people afraid and they sleep with
a knife or gun under their pillow. She kept a
knife by the door, and I find that interesting. Shannon
Henry after the door testimony from Jane not her real name,
that Shawn Combs beat down four doors and the jury
saw pictures and maybe even video of that in the courtroom.
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Then they look over at Sean Combs. What could you explain?
Why is there a knife being kept in the door.
Explain that to fattest.
Speaker 11 (21:35):
Let's start with this. I've trained so many thousands of
women in self defense across the world, and one of
the things that I can tell you is when you
train men in self defense, they're ready to fight in
the parking lot. When you train women in self defense.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
They're cautious.
Speaker 11 (21:51):
They don't really want to use it, and the only
time they really want to use it is to protect
somebody else. The fact that you are looking at a
knife in the door me she was so afraid for
her life that she was willing to use a knife
to make sure that she was safe. That's how much
she understood, how her life hung in the balance. That
is human trafficking.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
There is no question to Eric Fattus, veteran trial lawyer
joining us founding partner of Varner FATA's elite legal the
defense has tried their best throughout the day to tear
this witness down. They've used everything from money that Sean
comes through at her to buy her silence to a
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designer bag.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
But I want you to hear what Sidney.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Sumner has learned Crime Story's investigative reporter. Isn't it true,
Sidney Sumner that this witness, Jane met extensively with the defense.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
They knew what was going to happen.
Speaker 9 (22:49):
Right exactly, Nancy Jane said on the sand first thing
that she said with defense attorney Tenny Garrigos was hey,
how are you. They knew each other very well. She
met with them all the way through April twenty twenty five,
just a few months ago.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
So his defense team.
Speaker 9 (23:09):
Was fully prepared for what Jane was going to say
on the stand, and they still had nothing to counter it.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
I mean, Eric Fattus, when you have to use somebody's
designer bag, I don't have one, A I don't carry pocketbook.
I learned that trumping the housing projects hands free.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
But when I did.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Have a pocketbook, it was a Frauda, a fake Prada,
So I don't know anything about Botega bags.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
You'd have to ask doctor Bethny Marshall about that.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
But if you're to the point where you have to
assault the victim on the stand with claims of a
designer handbag, you're digging deep.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
You're at the bottom of the barrel.
Speaker 10 (23:45):
Fattest Well, Nancy not sure about that. So one person's
financial control might be another person's financial support. I think
what defense is trying to argue is like, hey, look,
she benefited from this relationship. It was mutually consensual and anticipatory.
She got some benefits out of it. She wanted to
keep seeing him. On cross examination, they talk about that
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she enjoyed aspects of the freak gosts and in fact
that they ended early at times when she expressed discomfort.
That doesn't sound like overcoming someone's will. This sounds like
a mutually beneficial relationship at least that's how defense is
going to style it, and that this was a willing
participant who also got something out. That's what they're going
to argue.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
The defense trying their best to skewer a witness on
the stand, a former girlfriend of Sean Combs, only known
as Jane to Tisa Tale standing by at the courthouse
store of Tisa Tales on YouTube, Tisa, did they crack her?
Speaker 1 (24:42):
And wait, Tisa, have you ever.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Seen, for instance, a horror movie or one of those
satanic movies where they throw holy water on the possessed
person or the demon.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
And they ooh and it burns them. That's what Jane
is to Ditty. That's what's happening.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
She's the holy water being thrown on Ditty, right, and
he's cringing and they are trying to stab her through
the heart with a wooden steak. That's what's happening. All
day long, they went at it. Did it work? Did
they crack her?
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Judging from the sentiment in the courtroom, it does not
look like she they cracked her. She stayed strong and
this is the best they could do. When she's in
the early years of the relationship. She hasn't gotten to
the part where he literally ripped his mask off. You know,
they didn't crack her because what they were claiming is ridiculous.
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One hundred and fifty thousand over three years, you can
make fifty thousand a year. I believe working a little
bit of overtime. Again, it is it's always a choose
your own adventure. But it's laughable to believe. And Jane
did a good job of driving it home, like she's said,
and it literally after that, we went immediately to a
break where she said, well, how much is my body worth?
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Did He's team was taken aback and flat footed, because
what do you say to something like that, because to
give a number it proves everything we think about Diddy.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
But again, it was.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
A powerful moment and Jane the little bunny rabbit. She
is sharpening her shake and she is in there fending
off So I definitely think she did agreed.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Okay to send me some of our crime stories. Investigative reporter.
Do I understand this correctly? That Shawn Combs aka Diddy
fetishized Shaquille O'Neil. Okay, have you ever met him? He's
as tall as a door, right, I would not mess
with him. I wonder how he feels finding out he's
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been fetishized by Shawn Combs. Okay, that's neither here nor there.
Plus Michael Jordan and Kobe what well.
Speaker 9 (26:56):
That aligns with previous testimony that we've heard that Shawn
Home specifically wanted to see entertainers Genitalia before they were
invited for a freak off because he wanted it to
be as big as possible and not plays into this sadism.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
He's mad.
Speaker 9 (27:13):
Doctor Marshall is brought up.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
WHOA what?
Speaker 3 (27:15):
What?
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Please call me? What did you say?
Speaker 9 (27:19):
Tisa Tel told us this a few days ago.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
What did you say about Shaq's genitalia?
Speaker 9 (27:24):
I would have to assume that Shaq, being the person
that he is, is a very large person in every aspect. Nancy.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Okay, see here, Sydney, we talk about murder, serial murder, rape, arson,
childless station.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Drug lords.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
I don't have time for euphemisms.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yesterday you you, Tisa Tails, kept talking to me about
how Sean Comes, one of the sex workers.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Would be quote well and dowbt.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Okay, you're making it sound like, as I said, a
trust fund at Harvard University, when you're actually talking about
the physicality and I'm trying to put it delicately so
we don't get thrown off the air of the sex workers.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Is that correct? That's a yes, no, tase of tales.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Yes, yes and listen. Okay, that's just.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
A yes, just a yes.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Okay, Sidney Sumner, don't put perfume on the pig.
Speaker 9 (28:29):
Tell it well, Nancy. It appears that Sean Combs wanted
an entertainer that could make up for his good feel
So we know that Shawn Colms, according to the civil lawsuit,
is not well endowed, so we think that he hired
entertainers that were much more so. And this could either
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just be a personal insecurity or maybe it is this
satism idea that doctor Bethany Marshall has brought up several
times that he wanted the women who participated in these
hotel nights to feel some level of pain every single
time that they participated. And I wanted to resid eric earlier.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Yeah, go ahead, because I want to hear that.
Speaker 9 (29:13):
So Sata said that the defense seeing that comes ended
these hotel nights early as Jane expressed being uncomfortable. But
she pushed back on that idea and said, no, no, no,
that was not out of sympathy for me. That was
not for my protection. That was because Sean Combs didn't
want to waste time on a bad hotel night when
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it was clear I didn't have chemistry with this entertainer.
And that's why Jane says that she had a hand
in hiring entertainers, because there were certain people that she
at least knew and was comfortable with and wasn't so
freaked out by the fact that she was having sex
with a sex worker without a condom or a very
sweaty man. As Titha told us, so, the only reason
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she about a hand in setting these up was to
protect herself, and Shawn Combs never canceled anything for her comfort.
It was because he didn't want to waste his time
and money on a bad hotel night.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Tisa Tails.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Joining me at the courthouse and I'm gearing up to
go to rob Shooter Bethany Marshall and Eric Fattis. Isn't
it true, Tissa Tels, let me jog your memory that
Shawn Comb's aka Diddy wanted to role play where he
comes was Michael Jordan and Jane.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Was Kobe Bryant. So let me get this straight.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Boy, do I need a shrink and a drink? But again,
I'm a teatailer, so I'll have to settle for just
a shrink. So in his mind it's Shawn Combs and Jane,
but it's really Shawn Combs and a sex worker with Jane,
and Jane is supposed to be Kobe, and the escort
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is supposed to be Shack and Diddy is supposed to
be Michael Jordan. I'm sure they're all three happy to
hear about this. So his fantasy is his girlfriend with
a sex worker, and there's a fantasy on a fantasy
where in his mind is three basketball greats having sex together.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Poor Kobe is all I can say. How did that play?
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Okay, and I'll get back to Bethany on Itdy Biddy Diddy?
Speaker 1 (31:46):
But how did that play? In the courtroom? Tissa tales
In the.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Courtroom, the courtroom was everybody was looking saying what in
the world. People were glancing at themselves like did we
hear that right? It went over like a lead balloon.
It played comical, it played humiliating, but also it really
played to the point that people are really starting to say,
there is something seriously wrong with that man. Passes the poverty,
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past the cruelty, there is something seriously wrong with that man.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
And you look forward, and what did you see?
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Did he do, like you said, eagerly looking at his screen,
acting like he was reading the manifest Destiny on his
computer screen.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Hold about day, Marshall.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
I'm saying what Tasa Tails is telling us a million
times in the courtroom, where the defendant starts like taking
notes and looking at his fingernails, in other words, playing
over and over in his head. This isn't happening. This
is not happening. This is not happening. But okay, you
see me.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Looking off camera.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
It's because I had to make a flow chart. So
Sean Comes wants the sex worker to be in the
words of Sidney Sumner and tasted Tails well in doubt. Again,
this ain't a trust fund at Harvard University.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
That's not what we're talking about. Does this have anything
to do with that?
Speaker 7 (33:13):
Well, not only is Diddy the diddler on the down low,
but he is compensating for his small penis, and I
do think that he has I think, I would say
in all seriousness, poly perverse meaning a perversion technically is
when somebody cannot achieve orgasm through a relationship with another person.
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They can only achieve orgasm through some fetishized experience like
looking at a penis, maybe a high heel, a whip,
a chain, something that just stimulates their fantasies, but it
has nothing to do with the person there in front
of And a common one is sadism. We talked about
this yesterday after the courtroom day wrapped. Is that is
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inflicting pain and cruel and humiliation on another person in
order to achieve sexual arousal, but in this case identifying
with Kobe, Bryant and Shaquille. I think that this fantasy
is of being at the center of attention, the king
of the world, somebody who has great capabilities, and maybe
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the fact is he's compensating for his small appendage.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
But one thing I don't get, doctor Bethany Marshall.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
It's like a fantasy on a fantasy and they're all weird.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Okay, so let me look at my flow chart.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
It's a role play where Sean Combs is Michael Jordan, Okay,
the paid escort male escort has a shack attack.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
He's shack Shaquille.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
O'Neil, and Jane is Kobe. So it's a fantasy on
top of a fantasy.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
What is there a name for that?
Speaker 7 (34:54):
You know, Nancy. I in my clinical practice I often
explore people's sexual fantasies to try to get to the
bottom of what their character logical issues are. And this
one would take six months of psychoanalysis. Let me tell you.
I mean, I think there's this identification with these greats right,
that he wants to be like them. That's his resondaetra
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in life. I think he wants to be penetrated by them,
so the idea that he's the recipient of a sex act.
But you know, you can't just call up Shack and
say can we Netflix and chill?
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Right?
Speaker 7 (35:28):
You can't do that, or can I take you out
for a drink? So what are you going to do?
You're going to substitute some poor woman. You're sex trafficking
in your fantasy life for Shaquille O'Neil, or you're actually
she substitutes free.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
I've got to go to the pr guru on this,
Rob Sheeter joining us Naughty but Nice and you can
find him at Rob Sheeter's Daily news letter on substack.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Rob Sheeter Daily Newsletter on Substack.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Who knew about this fascination with the NBA greats?
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Now? I think I recall.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Seeing Comb's front line on the on the court at
professional basketball games with various women. But he knew he
wasn't watching the scoreboard.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
That's not what he was doing.
Speaker 6 (36:21):
I think people around him knew that he had a
fascination with powerful people. When I was working with them,
he had a very unusual, interesting fascination.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
What are you saying. What are you saying.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
We're not talking about Gandhi or the president, famous people,
famous people, private parts.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Why are you saying.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
He was obsessed with famous people, because from what I understand, this.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Is what he's interested in a set of these thoughts.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
I don't know if I have thought about that, but
I do have thoughts about the great than that. I
don't know, Nancy, I'm not I'm not the biggest sports
fan in the world. I don't know quite where to
say what to say about this one here. I think
Puffy is saying it or for us, But I also
think too, this witness is amazing, This Jane do.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
The ropes.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Puffy is a force. I don't even know what that means.
Puffy is a force. Let's go back to your your
safe place. What did you mean he's obsessed with famous people?
Speaker 6 (37:37):
He was really obsessed with Prince Harry and William. When
I worked with him, he had photographs of the young princes,
they're about eighteen or nineteen years old. He wanted that
touch of royalty to come to his parties. He would
always ask me what was going on with them. Puff
also to love the weekly magazines. Most people think the
weekly magazines come out on a Friday.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
They don't.
Speaker 6 (37:56):
They come out on a Wednesday. In New York. Puff
was the first person a new stand or. He sent
an assistant to go through the weekly magazines. He would
circle people that he wanted to be famous around him.
Ashton Kutcher was somebody that he had a really unusual
obsession with. And so Puff being obsessed with people that
are powerful, successful, I think that has gone on a
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really long time.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
So Rob Shooter, you wouldn't touch a pair of these
with a ten foot pole, right, Well, I won't talk
about it, but you hear the bizarre role play that
he insisted on with Jane and I got to tell
you something. There's a point in the courtroom where you
have to be confident enough in your case and in
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yourself to say no further questions because you're making it worse,
the defense is digging their own grave with their teeth,
talking and talking and trying and trying to massage Jane's
testimony all day long on cross exam has backfired spectacularly.
Speaker 6 (39:00):
You're right, Nan, see no further questions.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
You've got me. You know, it's one thing to be
talking about tittsy rolls and basketball stars, but can we
get down to the brass tacks about what's happening in
the courtroom.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
I want to know the dynamic.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Between the jurors and Jane on the stand. I can
tell what tsa Tails thinks, but how is the jury
responding to her?
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Tisa The jury is responding with so much respect and
so much compassion. They are locked in, they are sitting up,
they are taking notes, They were hanging off of every word.
And to your point about what exactly the defense is doing.
Imagine the jury looking at compassion, still remembering the brutality
that she just testified the day before, and now they're
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besod with images.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Of Diddy Kobe.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
But you know, literally they're in a room and it's
like good ready for a shack attack. The jury still
remembers how when did he with this role play? They
were not allowed to remix or freestyle. He was in
control of everything, so he was literally directing them like
they were puppets. This ascertainty, this is what the jury
is taking notes on. I can't imagine what's in their minds,
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but the fact that they are keeping such straight faces
but leaned in and taking notes again, the more incredible
and the more preposterate comes. They're just leaning in more
and giving Jane so much compassion, so much breath. And again,
it can't be understated enough that that was this is
not the strongest day for the defense. We'll see if
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it comes.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
What can you tell me about Shawn Combs's mother cozying
up to the sketch artist after Shawnkhmes complained that the
sketch artist was making him look like a koala and
he didn't want to look like a koala bear, and
he wanted her to change the way she was depicting him.
Now I understand Shawncambs's mother as for her own sketch
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in court.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Don't they have better things to think about?
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Lessen Nancy audacity must be hereditary.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
That's all I see in the court room. First of all,
the court sketch artist was so kind.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Because I actually she actually made Sean Collins looks better
than he's looked in a long time, at least when
his smile.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
His gums are pink like they should be. However, the mother, the.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
Fact that the audacity that she's allegedly approaching the sketch
artists asking for things they still think and this goes
to this overwhelming confidence that at one time helped them
read such dizzying heights.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
This audacity that even in the height of this they have.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
The ability to ask for something, to demand something that
other people don't get and to the point of other
people shit and't want. How seriously are you taking this
where you might not see your son again. This is
the last time you might see your son without being
behind bars, and you're literally making sketch artists as if
they're just local street paparazzi. Again, it's the audacity and
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it is the goal, you know. But the mom is
just sitting there, the family sitting there. They're locked in
on the witness. We'll see what happens.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
We stop and remember an American hero police officer, Kyle Hicks,
just thirty two, shot and killed in the line of duty,
leaving behind a grieving wife Cassie and children Riley, Katie,
Amelia and Tucker. Four children sentenced to life without their father,
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American hero police officer Kyle Fix. Nancy Gray signing off
goodbye's
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Dirty Ditty demands thirty straight hours of forced sex marathons
with no sleep. This as we learn Seawan Comb's fetishizes
the NBA greats Shaquille Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant as Dirty
(00:27):
Ditty's defense team attacks the assault victim on the stand
with a designer handbag. Dirty Ditty, what the cook? A
cook by curious, ashamed to have sex with men? This,
according to is X and it is all coming out
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on the stand.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
I'm Nancy Grece. This is Crime Stories and I want
to thank you for being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Objection myrari nd he needed to see that Willie Free.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
We've heard some bombshells out of the shining.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
He beat her the hell in back. He smacks her
in the face again.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
Objection my rand That alleged sex assault victim on the
stand undergoing intense cross examination.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Through out the day.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Joining us at the courthouse as the Monahan Federal Courthouse
in downtown Manhattan. Special guest Tisa Tails joining us pop
culture investigator and host Autisa Tales on YouTube.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
How did she hold up under.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Cross and what does a five thousand dollars Buttega designer bag.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
How to do with anything.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Listen, we were in the court and we were wondering
the same thing. But our little sweet bunny rabbit looks
like she sharpened her shink today. And she pushed back
on and one of the more humiliating things for Diddy's
defense team. It started off why she was just going
through mundane questioning have you had this?
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Have you had that?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
She mentioned you seem to be mad that he took
somebody shopping in Chanelle. She literally said yeah, because all
these other girls were, you know, being sewn off.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
The defence team thought they could sharpen and go in
and they thought they could actually break her, maybe get
her to feel a little bit ashamed or show how.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Petty she was. And the defense team went on this.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Really odd way of questioning, well, you got a vancle bracelet,
and she said, okay, I did.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
I'm sorry. I was a little bunny rabbit. She has
a voice like sunshine. Yes I did. Then they asked her,
and you got a book? Taga bag? How much was
a be taga bag calls?
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Now, this is a defense attorney and head to toe Chanel,
our little bunny Rabbit sharpened her shank and said, you
have one.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Don't you to push it back? Because again the line
of questioning was so insulting. After she just finished a
day ago.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Telling us how she was an unwilling participant in a
cracked out version of the Shining, they're now trying to
say that somehow a bag and a bracelet somehow made
up for everything.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
But however, the.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Defense was a little bit taken aback. She said, well,
I mean, how much is it fifteen hundred or.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Five thousand, like how much is a botaga bag worth?
Speaker 3 (03:11):
And our little bunny rapit said how much is my
body worth? And the whole courtroom was just sitting there
and shock because it was such a beautiful thing to
see that a victim, somebody that Diddy had made full
small broken both mentally and literally physically. Finally, in that moment,
why did he is sitting there looking like she's smirking
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at her almost was able to hold her own against
the defense team and pushed back and push the narrative
that my body's worth more, I'm worth more. So it
was a powerful moment in the court.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
When you said, Sean Combs aka Diddy, is smirking in
the courtroom. Could you demonstrate that, because that's not a
good look, even if he thinks he's winning, even if
a couple of the jurors thinks he's winning.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
For him to smirk, that could backfire. Show me what
he's doing.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Okay, So when I say smirk, okay, this is the
best way I could use to describe it. But let
me show you.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Okay, whatever, there are certain witnesses on to me, it
almost like he's trying to get into the witness's head.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Okay, Now, the smirk isn't something.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Like h like a marble villain like they've been accusing
him of being. It's something more like his posture gets
almost like he owns the place.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
He kind of slouches just to the side a little bit.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
His head's kind of like cocked just a little bit,
and he's looking at them with a posture like are
you kidding me?
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Now he has wised up, doesn't look like he's playing
to the jury anymore. But when it comes to the witnesses,
we saw this with Jane, we saw this with Mia,
we saw this with Cassie, we saw this wa Bona
and everybody else, he literally still has his attitude, like
he runs the room, and he's literally just looking at
them like are you.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Kidding me again?
Speaker 3 (04:52):
I would think that if I was on trial like
that and people were lying on me, I would have
right his anger. I would just just anything, or even
just have a a platonic face and body language where
nothing can be read in So the fact that he's
almost imperceptibly kind of letting them know that he still
runs the room, he still runs the place, it says
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something to me about where he is and whether he's
truly repentant.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Joining me an all star panel.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
But I've gotten to go right now, straight to Rob
Sheeter joining us PR guru FORO Sean comes for years
no longer star of Naughty but Nice podcast which is amazing,
and you can find him at Rob Sheeter substack and
that shooter shut er Rob the smirking. It actually gave
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me a flashback they Scott Peterson double murder trial where
I would sit there and just watch Scott Peterson stride
into the courtroom and my immediate reaction. Since I got
cut from the girls basketball team and became a cheerleader
as a back up, I would watch the football team
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come onto the field and then be coming out all
puffed up like that, but they're thrown back. And I
would watch him walk in like that every day, like
he was totally the cock of the walk right, and
everyone else started watching him, or maybe they were before me,
and we would just watch him walk in. And that
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is what I think she's trying to say. It's an attitude.
It's a bad look in front of a jury. But
I want to hear your take on that. I can
just see Sean Combs sweeping into a fancy restaurant or
some other venue. I got to hear the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
Well, first of all, NC, I've seen that look from Puff.
I know that look. I've seen it. I think we
did a really really great job explaining it. He looks
down his nose, he cocks his head back, and he
looks down his nose as if he is the king
of the world. It's a look of arrogance, it's a
look of dominant and it's a look that comes to
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him very very easily. And that's the reason, Nancy, that
he's having trouble turning it off shore. And Puffy is
a very smart person. He at the moment is acting
like an idiot. I think that's his natural look.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
I thought he.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
Would be smart enough, a good enough actor to hide it. However,
that appears not to be the case.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
You know, I guess too.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Doctor Bethany Marshall a psychoanalyst joining us out of la
she has You can see her now on Peacock. She
wrote an incredible book, deal Breaker, on Amazon, and you
can find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Doctor Bethany King of the World. Okay, what's a cook?
Speaker 7 (07:48):
A cook is somebody who wants to see his wife
or partner having sex with other men. The fetishized fantasy
that elicits arousal is the idea that the woman is
cheating on him while he's away, And according to Jane,
one of the sexual fantasies that he wanted to relive
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with her was while he was on his private jet,
she was asking one of the male escorts to come
in and have.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Sex with her. So that's called cuckholding.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Okay, you're saying, doctor Bethany, a cook ck wants to
watch their partner have sex with somebody else. Why would
you want that? Because you know, my marriage motto is
open marriage, open casket.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
So I don't get it. Explain that desire to me, well,
I think there's a couple aspects.
Speaker 7 (08:39):
One we see with people who have sex addiction and
drug addiction is an impaired reward system where they need
to push the envelope more and more to gain sexual arousal.
But the other is that men who want to be
cuck holded are often by curious and they have fantasies
of having sex with other men, but they're too inhibited
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or for whatever reason, they're not going to carry it out,
so they would rather watch their wife or partner have
sex with other men so they can incorporate same sex
attraction and arousal into a heterosexual relationship.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I think I understand what you're saying, doctor Bethany Listen.
Speaker 8 (09:21):
Jane says the hotel nights often involved cheating roleplay with
Combs and the entertainer. Colmbs expected her to pretend he
was away on a trip and she was sneaking the
entertainer into her home behind his back. This roleplay would
begin over digital communications when booking a hotel night with
an entertainer familiar to them, with Combs.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Directing her to ask for explicit.
Speaker 8 (09:41):
Videos and images from the entertainer and respond with flirting
messages like I can't wait to get you alone, Jane says.
After the entertainer left, Colmbs liked to watch his recordings
of the hotel night while they had sex for a replay.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Straight back out to Tisa Tale standing by at the courthouse,
pop culture investigator and star off Tasa Tails.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
On YouTube Tisa Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
They would play back the video of the hotel night
aka free cough aka sex session, rape torment like a
football game, like a replay, like.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
The worst Netflix until in the world it gets.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Deeper than that.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
He would literally mirror his phone onto the television screen,
so she was forced to do that. She was doing
everything she could to get out of the next free call,
and she suddenly saw him texting an escort.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Offer her phone, Hey, why don't you call one.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
What they described in court was something that again, I
get the cold cold, but then I wouldn't I researched it.
I said, Okay, but I don't see crackhead in the
definition of cold colds.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
I don't see grain gums. I don't see.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Dressed as a burker from the neck up and deck
up from the neck down.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
I don't see that in a definition of a cold cold.
The defense is trying to run with this. They want
to say that's all it was.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
But again, hold, I never thought I would say this,
But I think that Sean Diddy Colms gave cut Holding
a bad name, if that's possible to do. But we
were shocked in the courtroom.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Okay, let me.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Understand the whole by curious claim by the girlfriend on
the stand, and we're talking about Jane, not her real name.
Now she has testimony that is intrinsic to her, that
is unique from the other witnesses testimony. However, I believe
that she and others such as Mia are there largely
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to buttress or corroborate Cassie Venturira, the state star witness.
The Jane testimony is taking on a life of its own.
Tell me about the bisexual claim.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
So the bisexual claim, it's very interesting.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Okay, she didn't know what was going on.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Keep in mind, we're still in the early parts of
this Romeo.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
I'm gonna so her this Romeo situation.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Okay, he's introducing her into this life of darkness. So
he's starting off slow. So she's trying to make sense
of what's going on? Why does he want all these
disgusting things? And they even played audio where you can
see her literally it was so embarrassing and humiliating for Diddy,
where you can clearly see this woman is doing everything
she can to get out of the next free goll Again,
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it hasn't descended into violence and pure debauchery, but so she's.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Googling what's going on? Why does he like to see
other men?
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Why does he stand in the corner and diddle with himself?
Speaker 4 (12:34):
What is going on?
Speaker 3 (12:35):
So that's when she said, I think he's by curious. However,
she did say this was early on. Again, the defense
really didn't know what to do with her because they
thought they could get her on the stand and bully
her around, but she started literally saying, he's a cuck hole,
he's by, he has gray teeth, shaking hands, he looks
like a crackhead.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
And they really didn't know what to do with that.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
And they just focus on both Tega bags and even
that kind of blue up in their face.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
So it was puzzling. But again the buye was the
beginning to Sidney.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Sun was joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter Sydney. This
fits in hand in hand with many of the civil
claims filed by male alleged victims.
Speaker 9 (13:17):
Explain well, Nancy, nearly half of the civil lawsuits filed
against Sean Colmes have come from men. And we heard
this at the very beginning. Just after Cassie Ventura. Robbie Jones,
the music producer, was the next person to file a
very explosive lawsuit and he claims that Shawan Colmes was
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bisexual and was in our relationships with many male black celebrity.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
First of all, I don't care. I don't care who
sleeps with who as long as it's not my husband.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
It's not my business until it becomes a felony.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Up until then, don't care.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
But to Rob Shooter joining me former are your fortune comes?
How will they buy curious allegation play in the rap world?
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Not well at all.
Speaker 6 (14:12):
This is still one area of the music business, of
the entertainment business, that has been very, very slow to
embrace LGPTQ people. It has been a problem. I've been
to several big events where it really is, the homophobia
is there. It's tried to be sort of kept under wraps,
but fans don't like it. If you listen to rap music,
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particularly rap music that's on the charts and the most
successful rap music, it is not unusual to find a misogynistic,
a homophobic lyric thrown around as if it is just
everyday talk. So this will not go over well. And
this is probably one of the reasons that if Diddy
is indeed bisexual, it's something that he will definitely want
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to keep hush hush under the covers.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Day twenty one in the courthouse had standing by outside
the Mona Hound Building is Tisa tells Tisa, thank you
for being with us.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
I want to quickly.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Go to Eric Fattus, joining me, jumping off something Tisa
has just reported. Eric Fattus is a veteran trial lawyer,
TV legal analyst founding partner Varner Fattest Elite Legal.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Eric.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
This also brings back another daymare flashback of Oorenthal James Simpson.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
While all this horrible.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Testimony is coming in and they put up a picture
of Nicole Brown with her face just swollen and black
on one side, everybody's looking at him.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
You know what he's doing. He's Professor Simpson taking notes.
Of course, all the notes said I did it? How
do I get out of this?
Speaker 2 (15:53):
But what can you do when you're hearing about being
a cook and you're hearing about being naked from the
neck down in a burka from the neck up and
the gray gums and blood? What can he do besides
take notes and squint at a screen.
Speaker 10 (16:12):
That's the thing. I mean, he's been sitting in this
child hearing on godly accusations against him, and hey.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
This is one of the oldest texts.
Speaker 10 (16:21):
Well is that.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Why is he in the courtroom? Why is his ass
and a sling that's on him? He finds himself in
the courtroom. It's like he woke up like Alice in
Wonderland and went where am I?
Speaker 1 (16:37):
That's not what went down? Man?
Speaker 10 (16:39):
Is he in the courtroom because there's substantial evidence against him?
Or is this the government trying to assassinate his character
because they don't have the goods to bring it. Look,
they're talking about cuck cold and gray teeth, his body
role play by curious. All of that seems like inflammatory
tactics that are trying to compensate for a possible lack
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of actual evidence. And so yeah, they can assassinate his
character all he wants, But at the end of the day.
You know, we know how the OJ trial ended up,
and this one could be going in that direction.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Okay, you know what, you sit back and keep on
saying that. Just live in your dream land. Because Tasa
Tail's joining us. I'm about to go to Shannon Henry
joining us, who fights sex assaults and sex trafficking on
girls and women.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Tasa Tales, could you refresh Eric.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Fattis's recollection about the beatings that Jane took.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
The four doors that were torn.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Down bare handed by Shawn Come so he could get
at her to beat her.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Absolutely, But since I want to say, if there's anybody
trying to assassinate the character, this came out when did.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
He stuff fence team, So maybe he needs to look
to see that if somebody's a paid.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Assassin on his own defense team, because they did a
good job of putting their client's character the dirt. But again,
this is coming on the heels of him being literally
reenacting the shining kicking through doors, her running through the house,
locking doors, kicking through heavy wooden doors, literally putting her
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up in a choke hole, or her little toes are
dangling off her fleeing in a dark California neighborhood, barefoot,
hiding for two hours outside of her house, coming back
being mercilessly beating him, humiliating her by calling the woman
that he's seeing while she hears all this happening, then
going after.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
She is black and blue with knots holl over her head.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
She goes into the shower to kind of disassociate, and
he snacks her three times and knocks her to the
ground with the shower, then demands she cover up those bruises,
ice the two golf ball Sills knocks on her heads
and ice and literally cover up her bruises, and she
is forced to take this effing pill because she's not
going to ruin his fan night. Drugs are force down
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her throat, and then she is forced to perform a
freak golf If you think that Greg gums in any
way overshadows the horror movie we heard yesterday, I don't
know what to say, but I think Diddy should hire
you on his team to make him feel good, because
he needs someone to sit with him in his land
of delusion, you.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Know, joining me.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Shannon Henry, President, Founder SASS Surviving Assault Standing Strong is
a nonprofit which means a lot to me. She's not
in it for the money, obviously, trying to eradicate abuse,
sex assault, and trafficking on women and girls. People don't
get it. It's not their fault.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
They shouldn't get it, Shannon Henry.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Why should regular people that are not in the world
of crime like we are, know about what the battered
women's syndrome is about, what sex traffic victims endear, why.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
They stay in it.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Could you school Eric Faddest he needs it badly?
Speaker 11 (20:01):
Of course, Nancy. I think you know, we do a
disservice to people in a way that they don't understand
that human trafficking is sexual and physical violence on top
of stalking on steroids, and the women that endure it
have lives that are much shorter than women who don't. So,
of course the general public doesn't understand this. They don't
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know how it all plays out, but we do. And
let's start with the obvious.
Speaker 10 (20:28):
When you take.
Speaker 11 (20:28):
Women and you beat them, and you get them high,
and you coerce them into having sex.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace, look at your monitor, Shannon.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
That is a knife one of the alleged victims.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Put in her door because she is so afraid of
Sean comes. That's Cassie Ventira had a knife.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
And the door.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Well, you hear about people afraid and they sleep with
a knife or gun under their pillow. She kept a
knife by the door, and I find that interesting. Shannon
Henry after the door testimony from Jane not her real name,
that Shawn Combs beat down four doors and the jury
saw pictures and maybe even video of that in the courtroom.
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Then they look over at Sean Combs. What could you explain?
Why is there a knife being kept in the door.
Explain that to fattest.
Speaker 11 (21:35):
Let's start with this. I've trained so many thousands of
women in self defense across the world, and one of
the things that I can tell you is when you
train men in self defense, they're ready to fight in
the parking lot. When you train women in self defense.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
They're cautious.
Speaker 11 (21:51):
They don't really want to use it, and the only
time they really want to use it is to protect
somebody else. The fact that you are looking at a
knife in the door me she was so afraid for
her life that she was willing to use a knife
to make sure that she was safe. That's how much
she understood, how her life hung in the balance. That
is human trafficking.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
There is no question to Eric Fattus, veteran trial lawyer
joining us founding partner of Varner FATA's elite legal the
defense has tried their best throughout the day to tear
this witness down. They've used everything from money that Sean
comes through at her to buy her silence to a
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designer bag.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
But I want you to hear what Sidney.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Sumner has learned Crime Story's investigative reporter. Isn't it true,
Sidney Sumner that this witness, Jane met extensively with the defense.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
They knew what was going to happen.
Speaker 9 (22:49):
Right exactly, Nancy Jane said on the sand first thing
that she said with defense attorney Tenny Garrigos was hey,
how are you. They knew each other very well. She
met with them all the way through April twenty twenty five,
just a few months ago.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
So his defense team.
Speaker 9 (23:09):
Was fully prepared for what Jane was going to say
on the stand, and they still had nothing to counter it.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
I mean, Eric Fattus, when you have to use somebody's
designer bag, I don't have one, A I don't carry pocketbook.
I learned that trumping the housing projects hands free.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
But when I did.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Have a pocketbook, it was a Frauda, a fake Prada,
So I don't know anything about Botega bags.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
You'd have to ask doctor Bethny Marshall about that.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
But if you're to the point where you have to
assault the victim on the stand with claims of a
designer handbag, you're digging deep.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
You're at the bottom of the barrel.
Speaker 10 (23:45):
Fattest Well, Nancy not sure about that. So one person's
financial control might be another person's financial support. I think
what defense is trying to argue is like, hey, look,
she benefited from this relationship. It was mutually consensual and anticipatory.
She got some benefits out of it. She wanted to
keep seeing him. On cross examination, they talk about that
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she enjoyed aspects of the freak gosts and in fact
that they ended early at times when she expressed discomfort.
That doesn't sound like overcoming someone's will. This sounds like
a mutually beneficial relationship at least that's how defense is
going to style it, and that this was a willing
participant who also got something out. That's what they're going
to argue.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
The defense trying their best to skewer a witness on
the stand, a former girlfriend of Sean Combs, only known
as Jane to Tisa Tale standing by at the courthouse
store of Tisa Tales on YouTube, Tisa, did they crack her?
Speaker 1 (24:42):
And wait, Tisa, have you ever.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Seen, for instance, a horror movie or one of those
satanic movies where they throw holy water on the possessed
person or the demon.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
And they ooh and it burns them. That's what Jane
is to Ditty. That's what's happening.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
She's the holy water being thrown on Ditty, right, and
he's cringing and they are trying to stab her through
the heart with a wooden steak. That's what's happening. All
day long, they went at it. Did it work? Did
they crack her?
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Judging from the sentiment in the courtroom, it does not
look like she they cracked her. She stayed strong and
this is the best they could do. When she's in
the early years of the relationship. She hasn't gotten to
the part where he literally ripped his mask off. You know,
they didn't crack her because what they were claiming is ridiculous.
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One hundred and fifty thousand over three years, you can
make fifty thousand a year. I believe working a little
bit of overtime. Again, it is it's always a choose
your own adventure. But it's laughable to believe. And Jane
did a good job of driving it home, like she's said,
and it literally after that, we went immediately to a
break where she said, well, how much is my body worth?
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Did He's team was taken aback and flat footed, because
what do you say to something like that, because to
give a number it proves everything we think about Diddy.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
But again, it was.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
A powerful moment and Jane the little bunny rabbit. She
is sharpening her shake and she is in there fending
off So I definitely think she did agreed.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Okay to send me some of our crime stories. Investigative reporter.
Do I understand this correctly? That Shawn Combs aka Diddy
fetishized Shaquille O'Neil. Okay, have you ever met him? He's
as tall as a door, right, I would not mess
with him. I wonder how he feels finding out he's
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been fetishized by Shawn Combs. Okay, that's neither here nor there.
Plus Michael Jordan and Kobe what well.
Speaker 9 (26:56):
That aligns with previous testimony that we've heard that Shawn
Home specifically wanted to see entertainers Genitalia before they were
invited for a freak off because he wanted it to
be as big as possible and not plays into this sadism.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
He's mad.
Speaker 9 (27:13):
Doctor Marshall is brought up.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
WHOA what?
Speaker 3 (27:15):
What?
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Please call me? What did you say?
Speaker 9 (27:19):
Tisa Tel told us this a few days ago.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
What did you say about Shaq's genitalia?
Speaker 9 (27:24):
I would have to assume that Shaq, being the person
that he is, is a very large person in every aspect. Nancy.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Okay, see here, Sydney, we talk about murder, serial murder, rape, arson,
childless station.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Drug lords.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
I don't have time for euphemisms.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yesterday you you, Tisa Tails, kept talking to me about
how Sean Comes, one of the sex workers.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Would be quote well and dowbt.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Okay, you're making it sound like, as I said, a
trust fund at Harvard University, when you're actually talking about
the physicality and I'm trying to put it delicately so
we don't get thrown off the air of the sex workers.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Is that correct? That's a yes, no, tase of tales.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Yes, yes and listen. Okay, that's just.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
A yes, just a yes.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Okay, Sidney Sumner, don't put perfume on the pig.
Speaker 9 (28:29):
Tell it well, Nancy. It appears that Sean Combs wanted
an entertainer that could make up for his good feel
So we know that Shawn Colms, according to the civil lawsuit,
is not well endowed, so we think that he hired
entertainers that were much more so. And this could either
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just be a personal insecurity or maybe it is this
satism idea that doctor Bethany Marshall has brought up several
times that he wanted the women who participated in these
hotel nights to feel some level of pain every single
time that they participated. And I wanted to resid eric earlier.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Yeah, go ahead, because I want to hear that.
Speaker 9 (29:13):
So Sata said that the defense seeing that comes ended
these hotel nights early as Jane expressed being uncomfortable. But
she pushed back on that idea and said, no, no, no,
that was not out of sympathy for me. That was
not for my protection. That was because Sean Combs didn't
want to waste time on a bad hotel night when
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it was clear I didn't have chemistry with this entertainer.
And that's why Jane says that she had a hand
in hiring entertainers, because there were certain people that she
at least knew and was comfortable with and wasn't so
freaked out by the fact that she was having sex
with a sex worker without a condom or a very
sweaty man. As Titha told us, so, the only reason
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she about a hand in setting these up was to
protect herself, and Shawn Combs never canceled anything for her comfort.
It was because he didn't want to waste his time
and money on a bad hotel night.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Tisa Tails.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Joining me at the courthouse and I'm gearing up to
go to rob Shooter Bethany Marshall and Eric Fattis. Isn't
it true, Tissa Tels, let me jog your memory that
Shawn Comb's aka Diddy wanted to role play where he
comes was Michael Jordan and Jane.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Was Kobe Bryant. So let me get this straight.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Boy, do I need a shrink and a drink? But again,
I'm a teatailer, so I'll have to settle for just
a shrink. So in his mind it's Shawn Combs and Jane,
but it's really Shawn Combs and a sex worker with Jane,
and Jane is supposed to be Kobe, and the escort
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is supposed to be Shack and Diddy is supposed to
be Michael Jordan. I'm sure they're all three happy to
hear about this. So his fantasy is his girlfriend with
a sex worker, and there's a fantasy on a fantasy
where in his mind is three basketball greats having sex together.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Poor Kobe is all I can say. How did that play?
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Okay, and I'll get back to Bethany on Itdy Biddy Diddy?
Speaker 1 (31:46):
But how did that play? In the courtroom? Tissa tales
In the.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Courtroom, the courtroom was everybody was looking saying what in
the world. People were glancing at themselves like did we
hear that right? It went over like a lead balloon.
It played comical, it played humiliating, but also it really
played to the point that people are really starting to say,
there is something seriously wrong with that man. Passes the poverty,
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past the cruelty, there is something seriously wrong with that man.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
And you look forward, and what did you see?
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Did he do, like you said, eagerly looking at his screen,
acting like he was reading the manifest Destiny on his
computer screen.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Hold about day, Marshall.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
I'm saying what Tasa Tails is telling us a million
times in the courtroom, where the defendant starts like taking
notes and looking at his fingernails, in other words, playing
over and over in his head. This isn't happening. This
is not happening. This is not happening. But okay, you
see me.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Looking off camera.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
It's because I had to make a flow chart. So
Sean Comes wants the sex worker to be in the
words of Sidney Sumner and tasted Tails well in doubt. Again,
this ain't a trust fund at Harvard University.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
That's not what we're talking about. Does this have anything
to do with that?
Speaker 7 (33:13):
Well, not only is Diddy the diddler on the down low,
but he is compensating for his small penis, and I
do think that he has I think, I would say
in all seriousness, poly perverse meaning a perversion technically is
when somebody cannot achieve orgasm through a relationship with another person.
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They can only achieve orgasm through some fetishized experience like
looking at a penis, maybe a high heel, a whip,
a chain, something that just stimulates their fantasies, but it
has nothing to do with the person there in front
of And a common one is sadism. We talked about
this yesterday after the courtroom day wrapped. Is that is
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inflicting pain and cruel and humiliation on another person in
order to achieve sexual arousal, but in this case identifying
with Kobe, Bryant and Shaquille. I think that this fantasy
is of being at the center of attention, the king
of the world, somebody who has great capabilities, and maybe
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the fact is he's compensating for his small appendage.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
But one thing I don't get, doctor Bethany Marshall.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
It's like a fantasy on a fantasy and they're all weird.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Okay, so let me look at my flow chart.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
It's a role play where Sean Combs is Michael Jordan, Okay,
the paid escort male escort has a shack attack.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
He's shack Shaquille.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
O'Neil, and Jane is Kobe. So it's a fantasy on
top of a fantasy.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
What is there a name for that?
Speaker 7 (34:54):
You know, Nancy. I in my clinical practice I often
explore people's sexual fantasies to try to get to the
bottom of what their character logical issues are. And this
one would take six months of psychoanalysis. Let me tell you.
I mean, I think there's this identification with these greats right,
that he wants to be like them. That's his resondaetra
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in life. I think he wants to be penetrated by them,
so the idea that he's the recipient of a sex act.
But you know, you can't just call up Shack and
say can we Netflix and chill?
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Right?
Speaker 7 (35:28):
You can't do that, or can I take you out
for a drink? So what are you going to do?
You're going to substitute some poor woman. You're sex trafficking
in your fantasy life for Shaquille O'Neil, or you're actually
she substitutes free.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
I've got to go to the pr guru on this,
Rob Sheeter joining us Naughty but Nice and you can
find him at Rob Sheeter's Daily news letter on substack.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Rob Sheeter Daily Newsletter on Substack.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Who knew about this fascination with the NBA greats?
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Now? I think I recall.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Seeing Comb's front line on the on the court at
professional basketball games with various women. But he knew he
wasn't watching the scoreboard.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
That's not what he was doing.
Speaker 6 (36:21):
I think people around him knew that he had a
fascination with powerful people. When I was working with them,
he had a very unusual, interesting fascination.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
What are you saying. What are you saying.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
We're not talking about Gandhi or the president, famous people,
famous people, private parts.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Why are you saying.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
He was obsessed with famous people, because from what I understand, this.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Is what he's interested in a set of these thoughts.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
I don't know if I have thought about that, but
I do have thoughts about the great than that. I
don't know, Nancy, I'm not I'm not the biggest sports
fan in the world. I don't know quite where to
say what to say about this one here. I think
Puffy is saying it or for us, But I also
think too, this witness is amazing, This Jane do.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
The ropes.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Puffy is a force. I don't even know what that means.
Puffy is a force. Let's go back to your your
safe place. What did you mean he's obsessed with famous people?
Speaker 6 (37:37):
He was really obsessed with Prince Harry and William. When
I worked with him, he had photographs of the young princes,
they're about eighteen or nineteen years old. He wanted that
touch of royalty to come to his parties. He would
always ask me what was going on with them. Puff
also to love the weekly magazines. Most people think the
weekly magazines come out on a Friday.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
They don't.
Speaker 6 (37:56):
They come out on a Wednesday. In New York. Puff
was the first person a new stand or. He sent
an assistant to go through the weekly magazines. He would
circle people that he wanted to be famous around him.
Ashton Kutcher was somebody that he had a really unusual
obsession with. And so Puff being obsessed with people that
are powerful, successful, I think that has gone on a
(38:17):
really long time.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
So Rob Shooter, you wouldn't touch a pair of these
with a ten foot pole, right, Well, I won't talk
about it, but you hear the bizarre role play that
he insisted on with Jane and I got to tell
you something. There's a point in the courtroom where you
have to be confident enough in your case and in
(38:39):
yourself to say no further questions because you're making it worse,
the defense is digging their own grave with their teeth,
talking and talking and trying and trying to massage Jane's
testimony all day long on cross exam has backfired spectacularly.
Speaker 6 (39:00):
You're right, Nan, see no further questions.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
You've got me. You know, it's one thing to be
talking about tittsy rolls and basketball stars, but can we
get down to the brass tacks about what's happening in
the courtroom.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
I want to know the dynamic.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Between the jurors and Jane on the stand. I can
tell what tsa Tails thinks, but how is the jury
responding to her?
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Tisa The jury is responding with so much respect and
so much compassion. They are locked in, they are sitting up,
they are taking notes, They were hanging off of every word.
And to your point about what exactly the defense is doing.
Imagine the jury looking at compassion, still remembering the brutality
that she just testified the day before, and now they're
(39:50):
besod with images.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Of Diddy Kobe.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
But you know, literally they're in a room and it's
like good ready for a shack attack. The jury still
remembers how when did he with this role play? They
were not allowed to remix or freestyle. He was in
control of everything, so he was literally directing them like
they were puppets. This ascertainty, this is what the jury
is taking notes on. I can't imagine what's in their minds,
(40:16):
but the fact that they are keeping such straight faces
but leaned in and taking notes again, the more incredible
and the more preposterate comes. They're just leaning in more
and giving Jane so much compassion, so much breath. And again,
it can't be understated enough that that was this is
not the strongest day for the defense. We'll see if
(40:36):
it comes.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
What can you tell me about Shawn Combs's mother cozying
up to the sketch artist after Shawnkhmes complained that the
sketch artist was making him look like a koala and
he didn't want to look like a koala bear, and
he wanted her to change the way she was depicting him.
Now I understand Shawncambs's mother as for her own sketch
(41:01):
in court.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Don't they have better things to think about?
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Lessen Nancy audacity must be hereditary.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
That's all I see in the court room. First of all,
the court sketch artist was so kind.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Because I actually she actually made Sean Collins looks better
than he's looked in a long time, at least when
his smile.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
His gums are pink like they should be. However, the mother, the.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
Fact that the audacity that she's allegedly approaching the sketch
artists asking for things they still think and this goes
to this overwhelming confidence that at one time helped them
read such dizzying heights.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
This audacity that even in the height of this they have.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
The ability to ask for something, to demand something that
other people don't get and to the point of other
people shit and't want. How seriously are you taking this
where you might not see your son again. This is
the last time you might see your son without being
behind bars, and you're literally making sketch artists as if
they're just local street paparazzi. Again, it's the audacity and
(42:06):
it is the goal, you know. But the mom is
just sitting there, the family sitting there. They're locked in
on the witness. We'll see what happens.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
We stop and remember an American hero police officer, Kyle Hicks,
just thirty two, shot and killed in the line of duty,
leaving behind a grieving wife Cassie and children Riley, Katie,
Amelia and Tucker. Four children sentenced to life without their father,
(42:37):
American hero police officer Kyle Fix. Nancy Gray signing off
goodbye's
Host
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