November 6, 2024 • 39 mins
Sean "Diddy" Combs marked his 55th birthday behind bars at the MDC, receiving a call from his children and enjoying a "breakfast cake" as his first meal of the day, followed by a choice of pizza, salad, or pasta for dinner.
The disgraced mogul faces his birthday amid a push to instate a gag order as new allegations emerge from witnesses and complainants. The latest claim? A grand jury witness reportedly possesses at least eight of Combs’ sex tapes featuring A-list celebrities, some of whom may be minors.
Courtney Burgess, reportedly a friend of the late Kim Porter, told reporters outside the courthouse that he testified before the Diddy Grand Jury. Burgess claims Porter entrusted him with 11 flash drives shortly before her death. According to Burgess, the drives contain at least eight tapes depicting Combs with various A-list celebrities, whom he describes as victims, with two or three allegedly appearing as minors. Burgess says he no longer has the tapes in his possession.
Two days after Burgess’s public comments on his testimony, Combs’ legal team submitted a letter to Judge Subramanian, urgently requesting a gag order. The defense cites Burgess’s media comments and a New York Post article quoting a federal agent as “improper pretrial publicity” that, they argue, is making it “impossible” for Combs to receive a fair trial.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Joshua Ritter – Criminal defense attorney, Partner at Werksman Jackson & Quinn LLP; former Los Angeles County deputy district attorney; Twitter @joshuaritteresq Criminal Defense Attorney, Former Prosecutor, Host of Courtroom Confidential on YouTube; website: joshuaritter.com; X, Instagram & TikTok: @joshuaritteresq, YouTube: CRConfidential
- Dr. Bethany Marshall – Psychoanalyst, Author – “Deal Breaker,” featured in hit show: “Paris in Love” on Peacock;, Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, X: @DrBethanyLive
- Chris McDonough- Director at the Cold Case Foundation, Former Homicide Detective, and Host of the YouTube Channel- ‘The Interview Room’
- Dr. DeWayne Hendrix – Former Associate Warden at the MDC in Brooklyn, and Former Senior Warden with the US Department of Justice, Federal Bureau of Prisons; Founder and President of A New Daylight Foundation, & Author: “Who Are You? See it Say it and Seize it;” @anewdaylight (IG) @drdewaynehendrix (LinkedIn) @anewdaylight (X)
- Rob Shuter- Host: Naughty But Nice Podcast, Diddy Former Publicist, Author: "The 4 Word Answer", radaronline.com; IG: @naughtygossip
- Sydney Sumner- CrimeOnline Investigative Reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. It's a ditty celebration, that's right.
Sean Comes whining again about his birthday grill cheese sandwich.
He's worried about a grilled cheese sandwich as a grand
jury looms, I, Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank
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you for being with us. Day Wilcome.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
When we will name names other than Shawn Comes, and
there's a.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Lot of names.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
It's a long list already because the nature of this case.
We're gonna make damn shore, damn sure that we're right
before we do that. But the names that we're going
to name are names that will shock here.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Sean diddy Comb celebrated his fifty fifth birthday behind bars
at the MDC in addition to a call from his children.
Comes enjoyed a breakfast cake for his first meal of
the day and had a choice of pizza, salad, or
pasta for dinner. The Disgrace Mogul turned a year older.
Amidst a desperate battle in state of gag order has
more damaging claims emerge from complainants and witnesses. The latest
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alegation that a grand jury witness is in possession of
at least eight of Didy sex tapes with a list celebrities,
some of them miners.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
There's some controversy was it pasta or was it a
grilled cheese? In any event, Sean Comms need to stop
whining about his breakfast and lunch menu at MDC Correctional
Institute and start thinking about what the Grand jury is doing.
The Feds let me tell you, I was a FED
for three years. Love to do what we call a
(01:36):
superseding indictment. What is that? That is when they add
to the current indictment or revise translation change the current indictment.
I mean, think about it. He's already under a federal indictment.
So why is the Green Jury continuing to meet? But
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back to the urgent issue of the grill geese and
the birthday celebration. Joining me an all star panel to
make sense of what we know now? Straight out to
Rob Shooter, a longtime colleague, host of Naughty but Nice
podcast which can mean so many different things, but former
publicist to Sean Combs and author of the four word
(02:21):
Answer very important. He was Combs's publicist for many years.
He was also Jennifer Lopez's publicist, and he has attended
many white parties. Okay, first question to you, and I'm
honor bound to ask this, rob Shooter, when you say
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that you attended the white parties number one, where you
subjected to the requirements to attend a white party. In
other words, did you weigh over one hundred and forty pounds?
Did you wear a short dress where your quote butt
cheeks show? Were you wearing stilettos? Were you quote sexy
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with low cut top? Because those are some of the
requirements that had to be met before you could put
one toe in a Diddy white party. Translation, you had
to wear all white. Also, did you have to stand
on a set of skills which were right there as
people were entering to make sure you weren't over one
hundred and forty pounds? And were you subjected to an
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age request where you asked how old are you? So
if you could just clear the air right now and
answer those questions, Shooter.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Let me be clear, I worked at Diddy in the
early two thousands, over twenty years ago, and he wasn't
yet the Diddy that we know today, So he was
still sort of figuring out who he was as a celebrity,
as a businessman, and so the party is that I
root for Diddy. I was a publicist. I organized the
press outside the red carpet, something we call a step
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and repeat. Celebrities walk down and take pictures. Those parties
were about two thousand, Peace called. Now. There were codes
of conduct. You have to wear just white if you.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Jumped up in wait wait, wait, wait, excuse me? Code
of conduct? Are you serious? Code of conduct? You're you're
acting like he's trying to get into the Naval Academy.
A code of conduct. This is a dress code for
women only. They had to show their breasts and their backside.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
I wasn't I never saw that list. What I saw
was a list to get into the regular party, the
ones that started at about ten o'clock, not the ones
that started at two or three am.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
That's a very that's tenient. Isn't it that you knew
nothing about the attendance requests? But that said, I'm afraid
I'm pulling a Diddy right now. He's all worried about
having to eat a grilled cheese sandwich on his birthday
instead of the grand jury. Let's get down to what's
happening right now, other than whining about his treatment behind
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at MDC. Doctor Dwayne Hendricks is joining me our associate
warden at m d C Metropolitan Detention Center. Former senior
warden with the US Department of Justice, Federal Bureau of Prisons,
Founder president of a New Daylight Foundation, and author of
Who Are You See It? Say It? And Sees It? Okay,
(05:18):
doctor Hendrix, was Diddy supposed to have a special birthday
celebration behind bars?
Speaker 5 (05:25):
No, No, not at all. It's frequency discussed. There's a
national menu. What he ate on his birthday on Monday
was on the menu. And again, I don't continue to
understand why he's still complaining about Mills when he's been
there for well over going on two months now.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
So well, hey, doctor Hendricks, nobody offered me cereal fruit
or breakfast cake whatever that is. Nobody offered me positive
with marinara sauce, meatballs and a salad. Really dinner chicken
or toad with fried rice, black beans and carrots. I
have to go in the kitchen and cout dinner every night,
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and he's whining he had chicken, fried rice with black
beans and carrots. Is this all about his grilled cheese
or is it just the fact that he doesn't have
his private chef anymore. So let me see doctor Dwayne
Henrick again. Are you telling me the birthday boy did
not get special treatment on his birk?
Speaker 5 (06:24):
The birthday boy did not get special treatment. He's being
treated just like every other incarcerated person in the building.
And I think the sooner that he understands that he's
just going to be just like everyone else, the better
off that he'll be in terms of him being at
the institution while he's a Wayne trial. So again, he
has welfish that's out.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Of their way. There's going to be a superseding indictment,
and he's going to have to sit put for quite
a while. Rob Shooter with me. Former publicist de Sean
Comes for many years also served as Jennifer Lopez's publicist
for a period of time, Rob Shooter, what meals did
did he normally have with his private chef? What was
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on the menu at those white parties that you supervised?
Speaker 4 (07:08):
He lived like a king, Nancy. I've never seen anybody
he lived like this. I worked with a lot of
celebrities and did he was the one that enjoyed being
a celebrity the most, like the perks of it. We're
talking lobster. We're talking nobu, We're talking the best sushi
in the world. He would kick his fingers and have
people deliver a cheesecake to him in the early hours
of the morning. What he has given up as far
(07:30):
as his LifeStyle's been taken away from him, as far
as his as his lifestyle is concerned, is extraordinary. Nobody
lived better than did.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Hey, don't you you say something about snapping his fingers
in the week morning hours and getting cheesecake delivered.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
He did. If you worked for Diddy, you worked for
a tyrant. He was an absolute boss. He would text
me at four or five six am in the morning
and expect a response. It was a really stressful time.
He taught me how to be a publicist. And the
one thing about Diddy I want to point out that
people don't talk about enough if he was charming Dancy.
(08:04):
He was absolutely charming, which is why he'd probably got
away with what he did for so long.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Well, I don't understand what's charming about getting a text
at four am to do what? What would he want
you to do at four am?
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Guys, those are photos that have just emerged that indicate
that certain alleged victims were with Diddy at the times
they say they were, their faces have been blacked out. Okay,
what Shooter, what would anybody want at four am in
the morning.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
He wanted to figure out what his next day publicity
would be. It was all about being the most famous
person in the world with pretty limited talent. He's not
the best singer or dance or actor, but get somehow
he made himself into the center of a circus. It's
almost like he was baring them. He was the ringmaster
of this circus that he ran. He was the boss.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
I still don't understand exactly why he would text you
at four o'clock in the morning, and how you can't
continue to say that he was charming when.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
You were wished Tod and I. I think this is
quite common with a lot of really bad people out there.
There was a sensic deity that he made you feel special.
He looked you in the eye, he showered you with gifts,
and now looking back, I can see how manipulative it
all was, But in the moment, he made everybody around
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him feel very special.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Rob Shooter joining me for any but Nice podcast? Did
you just say? Did? It was not that talented.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
He was not a natural finger, He was not a
natural actor. He was not a natural musician. I don't
think he plays an instrument. Yet he managed to make
himself into the center of the music business. That comes
with a certain amount of talent, with hutzpur with ambition,
But as far as traditional talents of a musical artist,
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he did not possess them.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Well, guess what You're in good company. I guess you've
heard of the renowned music producer Quincy Jones. Listen.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
Legendary music producer Quincy Jones passed away Sunday at the
age ninety one, and with his death, many are remembering
his brutal opinion of Sean Diddy Combs. Jones said to
artist Bruno Mars at a twenty twelve Spotify events at
that he did he wouldn't know a B flat if
it hit him. Jones describes Combs as a master marketer
but a lackluster producer. Moments after encouraging artists to really
(10:17):
learn their craft, Jones later took to social media to
say he didn't mean to diss the rapper and had
nothing but love and respect for Combs and his achievements.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Right, nothing but love, but would know would be flat
if it bit him in the neck. Joining me, Doctor
Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst, joining us from LA, author of deal Breaker.
You can find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com
and see you're on Peacock. Doctor Bethany. Here is the
crux of what I'm getting at while a grand jury
(10:47):
is continuing to me. You know what that means, doctor Bethany.
That means twenty to life on multiple charges each. That's
what's happening right now. The fans are gonna pull. I'm
going to go to Josher Ritter on this in just
a moment, going to pull as they should if they've
got the evidence to support it. What we call a
superseding indictment, which means you add to or change the
(11:09):
existing indictment. So that's what I would be worried about
right now behind bars. Not my grilled cheese sandwich I
had on my birthday, Not whether Quincy Jones said I
wouldn't know a beef flat if it bit me in
the neck. But I guarantee, Bethany, that is what is
consuming him right now. I guarantee you too.
Speaker 7 (11:30):
You know it does matter to him because he did
He only cares about his own bodily pleasures, whether it's food, sex,
the clothing that he wears. He is a glutton, okay,
so of course he's going to be staring straight at
that pasta marinara and wondering if the temperature is hot enough.
He lives his life for food and sex. He snaps
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his fingers at four in the morning to get a
birthday cake delivered to him. He's I guess Freud would
use the term his royal highness the baby. He gets
everything he wants, and you know all that music, Nancy.
I think of music is a way to share a message,
share an emotional transformation you're going through, so that you
can help other people. Music for him was just to
sell through.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Mean, Bethany, you're telling me that Sean Comes aka Diddy
aka Puff aka Puffy aka puff Daddy aka Love and
anymore created music to express his own deeply failt emotions.
Speaker 7 (12:33):
I'm saying the no.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
I'm saying the opposite.
Speaker 7 (12:36):
I'm saying most artists they express themselves through music because
they want to move and inspire others. He used music
to lure people in so he can rape them. It's
a perversion of that whole art form. It's like if
you painted a beautiful photo, painted a beautiful painting just
to invite guests to a gallery opening so you could
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sure them champagne laced with drugs so you could rape
them all at the end of the night.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I think that's what.
Speaker 7 (13:05):
Quincy Jones was referring to, not even knowing a bee
flat if it hit him in the face, you.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Had a mathony. Can I get us out of the
weeds and back in the middle of the road. What
does it mean when someone such in this case, such
as in this case is Sean Combs, is more worried
about his birthday grillties. He's sitting in the MDC, nobody
wants to be there, and he's angry he didn't get
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his usual birthday I don't know Fantasia and he's upset
that Quincy Jones said he wouldn't be flat if it
bit him in the neck. What does this mean? And
could you please be concise because I'm trying to get
into his head. I'm trying to understand where he's going
to go at trial. People who are disturbed operate at
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an infantile level. They are concerned about the things babies
are concerned with babies are concerned with being an eating
and being taken care of and coddled. And that's all
he cares about. That's his psychopathology. He's primitive and infantile.
Speaker 8 (14:08):
Sean Diddy Combs has now been sued with claims of
molestation and sexual assault, whopping twenty seven times with more
on the horizon. Houston lawyer Tony Busby has filed seven
new lawsuits on top of the six already filed last week.
Two of the latest anonymous plaintiffs are miners, and several
unnamed celebrities are mentioned in the accusations. The cases have
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all been assigned to different judges, with at least two
asking the filers to justify their anonymity.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
A birthday, I'm happy, thank you very much.
Speaker 9 (14:42):
I love you.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
I love you in a couple of days.
Speaker 10 (14:49):
I know Daddy by right here he on the Florence
here Pops love you. You know you can't, so you're
not gonna have none love.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
That is from Prince j d C on Instagram. You
know to doctor Bethany Marshall. That video to me is heartbreaking,
not for Combs because he did this to himself at
the expense of many, many alleged victims that were raped.
(15:38):
But it's sad to me because of his children. I
mean how many. Just the other day I did the
birthday videos of the twins for their birthday. Okay, long
and extensive birthday videos which I have already started looking
back at happily. And their father is behind bars, and
it hurts me for them to be going through this.
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And of course there's no way he's ever going to
admit to any of this. I mean, think about Scott
Paterson to this day. He is dug in. He's never
going to admit no matter what, and he's dragging everybody
along with him, including his family. Same thing with Combs Nancy.
Speaker 7 (16:17):
Whatever Colm's attachment style is with his victims, wanting to
have power over them, to exploit them, his attachment style
will be the same with his children. It'll just take
a different form, maybe interpersonally offending with them by getting
them to listen to his stories, by manipulating them into
thinking things that are not true. So these poor children,
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not only are they living a life without their father,
but they're going to spend their entire adult lives dismantling
the mythology that their dad is great and loving and kind, and.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
I don't know that they ever will, Bethany, I don't
know that they ever will. Because who wants to hear
something right about their parents? Nobody, most people, And they
attacked the tables them. I don't think they're going to
dismantle anything.
Speaker 7 (17:04):
Well, maybe some will and some won't.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
We'll see what their resiliency is.
Speaker 7 (17:07):
I think what you're suggesting, Nancy is they'll stay in
a state of idealization and denial about their father, which
many adult children do. But look, there's sometimes we have
adult children who turn their parents in for crimes. They
can see, they can see the parent, who who the
parent is. So this is something that we will.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Learn going forward to Crime online dot Com investigative reporter
Sidney Sumner, what were the ages of the youngest alleged victims,
because many of them are younger than Didi's own children.
Let's just think about.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
That for a moment, Nancy.
Speaker 11 (17:40):
The latest filing from a minor at the time who
claims they were attacked as a minor with a ten
year old boy auditioning for combs. They also have a
thirteen year old and Tony Busby has said that a
nine year old victim plans to file. So lots of
young children here, sixteen, nineteen years old in Combes's youngest child,
(18:04):
Love is just about two years old now, and his
twins are seventeen themselves.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
To Chris mcdunn and joining me, director of the Cole
Case Foundation and for my purposes, former homicide detective and
vice detective. He is a host of a blockbuster YouTube channel,
The Interview Room. Chris, I'm speaking of the alleged younger victims, juveniles,
alleged victims. This has not been proven in court yet.
(18:32):
There are many of them, and they all have a
startlingly similar story that they wanted to audition to get
into the music industry through Comb's and the audition would
often include him forcing or asking for oral sex from
a minor. My question to you is we see the
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same modus operandi, method of operation alleged over and over
and over. I mean, can you teach an old dog
a new trick? Apparently not?
Speaker 3 (19:05):
You're one hundred.
Speaker 12 (19:05):
Percent right, Nancy, And that pee in his name may
have a whole different meaning. Now, the fact that he
is living this secret life, you know, behind the scenes
and projecting this public persona I e.
Speaker 9 (19:20):
On that phone call. It just goes back to doctor
Bethany's thought process and relationship to you know, total power
and control, and the fact that he's choosing children. Okay,
that just puts him at a whole different level because
now as he projects, you know, hey, so I beat
somebody up in the past, I'm sorry for that, He's
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going to have no feeling in relationship to these children
at all. He's past feeling there.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, so Jirov Sater to a
Not Even Nice Podcast, former publicist to Sean Combs and
Jennifer Lopez Rob I'm hearing what Chris mc dunnet is saying,
and we're talking about the MOO method of operation, where
you basically think you can get away with anything, you
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can demand anything, and you can get it. What was
it like? Was that true when you worked for him?
Speaker 4 (20:25):
When I started working with Diddy about twenty years ago,
he was still flexed in his muscles. He was early
on in his career. He wanted to become a big
mobile so he was still still trying to figure it
all out. Was he arrogant, was he rude? Was he
aggressive yet? Or he had yet to figure out just
how powerful he was or he was going to be.
But I think about the children, if I can just
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jump in for a second here. What alarms me about
that video with the kids is that should have been
a private celebration conversation with his family. The fact that
they videoed that and put it on social media telled
me that Puffy's to use these kids in his defense.
He's now fighting two battles, a legal battle and the
battle of public opinion, which really matters to him. And
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in the second battle, he will use his kids or
whoever to try and present himself as a caring father.
Not true.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
The world of Diddy Freakovs has physical requirements for all
women taking part, and the list is now public. You
cannot be over one hundred and forty pounds other no
nos on the list. No flab, no celluli, nobody who's
overly pierced, are two tatted up, no short hair, no pants,
no genes. You have to be young and hot and
showing cleavage. You must wear provocative, revealing clothing with stilettos,
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nothing else. Every girl has to wear a party dress,
a short party dress, short enough to just cover the
butt cheeks. The Metropolitan Detention Center has been under increased
scrutiny since two inmates were fatally stabbed over the summer.
A recent interagency operation at the MDC turned up numerous
homemade weapons, electronic devices, and drugs hidden throughout the prison.
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Investigators say the large scale sweet for contraband had nothing
to do with Shaun cums incarceration, but was pre planned
and coordinated to ensure the safety and security of staff
and inmates.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Right. It has nothing to do with Sean Combs being
an inmate there after his disastrous grilled cheese sandwich. I'm
sure he's complaining.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Now.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Now let me understand to you, Sidney Sumner or Crime
online dot Com investigative reporter, tell me about the MDC
increased scrutiny because I understand more than one agency is
investigating MDC.
Speaker 11 (22:30):
Why, Nancy. We believe this is due to the stabbings
in incredible violence that happened at the MDC. We know
that federal agents and the Bureau of Prisons started this
investigation and wanted to tape all of the contraband in
the prison out. They needed to eradicate this to really
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help inmates and staff stay safe because the amount of
violence at the NBC is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Of hornt okay well, so far in the claims by
Combs that he has been attacked or mistreated in any
way other than the grilled cheese. So large scale sweep
for contraband, including electronic devices, homemade weapons I Eate a shank,
drugs and more. Now, who else has lived at MDC?
(23:19):
A lot of celebrities, so Diddy is not alone. Let's
say they're sixty nine. Oh, he doesn't look happy. Alison
mack r Kelly, whose case is very similar to Combs,
is Keith Rainier, Michael Cohen, Jelaine Maxwell, in Sam Bateman freed.
There are so many high profile celebrities. But to you,
(23:43):
doctor Dwayne Hendrick's former associate Warden at MDC, I didn't
hear any of them whining about their grilled cheese. And
I wait a minute, Jelaine Maxwell did whine about being
cold or something to that effect that said, I didn't
hear them whining they didn't get special treatment on their birthday.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
No, And in terms of the sleep that went through
the interagency action that went through the institution last week,
it's not in common that these interagency actions are occurring
several months ago and in Florida, a large prison federal
prison complex also had a multi agency sweep which led
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to with LEDs to charges to inmates and staff due
to a homicide and staff bringing and contraband. Now I
will say I don't believe the sweep last week had
anything to do with Diddy. However, with the increased scrutiny
on the institution in these.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Are you telling me you believe in coincidences that Diddy
whinds about his treatment and about MDC and then suddenly
there's a sweep.
Speaker 7 (24:51):
No.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
I think there was obviously several weapons, cell phones, and
different things of that nature. And I think the agency
has learned from other media issues in terms of, you know,
trying to keep things in house, so to speak, and
I think by bringing our law enforcement partners, it brings
transparency and it also helps create a safer environment. But
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I do I will also admit having Sean Holmes there
and all eyes on the institution, especially with some of
the issues that they've had there over the last several years,
that made that next multi agency suite probably happening a
lot faster than it would have maybe a.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Few So now you're saying it is connected. Okay, you
cannot have your cage on a similar and eat it too.
So I'm going to give you a moment to think
about what you just said and then come up with
your decision to Shawn comes being there have anything to
do with a sweep across the entire MDC revealing what
a lot of weapons, cell phone devices, and much more drugs, shanks,
(25:55):
you name it, Josh Ritter, When you and behind bars guys,
Joshua ridd is a renown criminal defense attorney, former prosecutor,
and host of Courtroom Confidential on YouTube. You can find
them at Joshua Ridder dot com. I'm always amazed that
people lead a life of crime and when they end
(26:18):
up behind bars, they're like, what this is awful? Okay, yeah,
it's jail, But do they not understand that a life
of crime leads to incarceration.
Speaker 13 (26:30):
Well, I think one thing that criminals don't do is
think about consequences. Most of their life has lived on
this idea that they're going to get away with it.
So yeah, there's a lot of rude awakenings when they
end up behind bars. It's an incredibly uncomfortable is not
even the right word for it. It's an incredibly horrible
(26:50):
place to be in. I mean, you're you're first of all,
you're lacking all kinds of comfort. But secondly, as we're
finding out, it's also incredibly stressful, a horrible place.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
How do you think those women feel when they wake
up the next morning still greased up with baby oil
infused with g HB gama hydroxy butty eight, with their
rear ends and their vagina's herding. What about that? And
you're telling me Gella is a horrible place.
Speaker 13 (27:15):
To be And yeah, no, you're absolutely right, And that's
why he's ever.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Wake up morning govern baby hurting ridder.
Speaker 13 (27:25):
Not No, I cannot say that that I've experienced that.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
But lucky you.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I guess you didn't go to a white party, you know,
Rob Sheeter, I agree with what Richard just said that
criminals do not think about consequences of what they are doing.
Rob Sheeter, could you just give me a peek into
the lifestyle that Sean Combs enjoyed before he ended up
in MDC.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
He lived like a king, like an absolute king. Could
he afford the best of the best, from private plane
to the best restaurants to the best clothes. The most
important part of this that we don't talk about enough
is that it's the way people would treat him. Puppy
could get on the stone with pretty much anybody, and
a winter who runs Vogue magazine in fd lrder If
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he wanted a fravrance whatever giddy place to call, it
was returned. He loved being a celebrity. He went out
all the time, the parties he played, and he literally
was the king of New York for quite a period
of time. It wasn't that sure.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
The NDC Brooklyn amenities okay, indoor outdoor facilities for games
and sports, cable TV, movie nights on weekends, True linked
tablets for communication. I guess it's like an iPad and
a library. Wait a minute, in or outdoor facilities that
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mean basketball and tennis, cable TV. I hope he's watching
right now. Movie nights on weekends. Nobody's giving me a
movie night? Does that come with partcorn and soda? True
linked tablets, I guess, says an iPad and a library.
Now to you, Rob Shooter, what would a day in
the life of Ditty be like before? In DC?
Speaker 4 (29:12):
It would be extraordinary. He looked like a change. He
looked like a superstar. He would wake up, he'd have
people there to make his breakfast. They'd have people there
to dress him. It'd have clothes brought him and he
could select. He would then get in a show for Limos.
He's driven to his office where he'd spend a couple
of hours, and then he would go to the gym,
and then he'd meet friends for dinner. It was an
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extraordinary life and people to jump. He could send people
and they would take those calls and.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Just crime stories with Nancy Grace ja Ja Rune Subramaniam
rejects a gag order proposal from the defense team for
Sean Ditty Combs did. He claims government officials are leaking
information about him to the media in an effort make
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him look dangerous to prevent every from getting out on
bond before trial. After ejecting the proposal from Ditty, the
judge adopts a gag order similar to that requested by Combs.
The judges order insists federal agents, investigators, and Ditty's team
must follow the laws forbidding them from leaking grand jury
proceedings that can create problems for a fair trial.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Two. Joshua Ritter high profile lawyer. Isn't it true that
Combs is facing new grand jury testimony while prosecutors have
rejected a demand that he that they be forced to
reveal the accusers' identities, and that Comb's is insisting that
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everyone potential witnesses be under a gag order. Is that
what they are arguing right now?
Speaker 13 (30:48):
Yes, And the government's saying absolutely no. Dies, There's no
way they're going to be handing over this information about
the alleged victims impossible witnesses because they're trying to protect
these people. They know the kind of power this man.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Well, another thing is that this is another thing, Joshua,
is that such a gag order would be placed on
potential witnesses, including civil compliance that are suing for money. Well,
I do see one problem. A grand jury witness came
out and had a press conference. Listen.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
Courtney Burgess, reportedly a friend of the late Kim Porter,
tells reporters outside the courthouse that he just testified in
front of the Diddy grand jury as a witness. Burgess
claims that Porter gave him eleven flash drives for safekeeping
shortly before her death. Burgess says the drive store at
least eight sex tapes picturing Colmns with different a list
celebrities who Burgess describes as victims, two or three of
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whom appear to be minors. Burgess claims he no longer
has possession of the tapes.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Why did a grand jury witness come out and hold
a presser claiming that he has videos of celebrities at
the party. Why would he do that? What is his
motivation for implicating celebrities?
Speaker 14 (32:00):
Well after that presser this happened two days after Courtney
Burgess publicly discusses his testimony, Shawn Combs's legal team submits
a letter to Judge Subramanian demanding with renewed urgency that
he established a gag order. The defense attorneys specifically cite
Courtney Burgess' eagerness to speak with the media and a
New York Post article using a federal agent as a
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source as improper pre trial publicity that is making it
impossible for comes to have a fair trial.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
If that's true, that a federal agent or a federal employee,
it could be the person making xerox copies for all
I know that works in the courthouse. The state's got
to ferret out who is making links if anyone. But
the Feds are fighting back. Listen.
Speaker 6 (32:42):
Federal prosecutors are fighting Comb's requests to identify his accusers,
calling the defense's petition an attempt to hijack the criminal
case to fight civil claims against him. Prosecutors cite serious
and ongoing concerns for victims and witnesses safety as reason
enough to deny Comb's demand, But the Feds also that
asking the judge to force an early disclosure of evidence
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is a thinly veiled attempt to restrict the government's proof
at an early stage of the case.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
In the middle of all of this, a celeb weighs
in slamming, of all people, Jennifer Lopez. Okay to you,
Rob Shooter. Look, I don't have an opinion one way
or the other. On Elon Musk, he must be brilliant
to be launching rockets. Well, some of them work. But
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that said, the guy's got to be a braining act.
But why is he waiting into the show?
Speaker 14 (33:35):
On Combs Controversy, listen, Elon Musk is slamming Jennifer Lopez
for her failure to warn anyone about Ditty's disgusting behavior.
Musk comments that someone had to know that Combs was
abusing women and children, but the music industry continued to
feed him victims. Lopez has always remained very tight lipped
about their relationship, but did reveal Combs often referred to
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their relationship as a marriage and frequently threatened her with divorce.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Rob Shooter, you repped j Loo and Sean Combs. What
was the nature of their relationship? All I know was
after that nightclub shooting, she broke.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
Up with him, right, That's right. Jennison would credit Sean
with creating a lot of her career. She changed the
name to j Loo because of his recommendation. He's the
one that encouraged her to get into the music this
to release albums. He stead her up with several different
producers so early on in her career. He was quite
helpful for her. However, after that shooting incident in the
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nightclub where she was presented at the time, that was
the end of their relationship. Rantically, they did stay friend,
don't talk to one another.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
It is praise please stop stop stop, Rob Shooter. They
stayed friends. Uh uh she all you can see j
Lo was elbows and tailhole. She ran the other way.
Of course, She's saying, oh, we're still friends. Who wants
to store up before was Sean comes? For Pete's sake?
Why are you saying they stayed at friends? That's stuff
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when you break up with a bad boyfriend. Oh yeah,
we're still friends. No you're not. Why are you saying that?
Speaker 4 (35:09):
Good question. She did maintain publicly that her and puppy
was still friends. Now, I represented both of them, and
I can tell you when I worked for them, they
were not together romantically, and both accounts were very separate.
She never ever asked me about him. He always asked
me about her.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Hmm. Interesting, So he was thinking about her a lot
more than she was thinking about him. Doctor Bethony Marshall again,
I would not know Musk if he bit me in then, Nick,
but you've got to agree he's a brainiac, Okay. Why
he would inject himself in the middle of all this
much less attack?
Speaker 2 (35:42):
J Lo.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
So what if she did disagree with his behavior? Why
do you think she turned hail? I'm wondering with Elon Musk.
Speaker 7 (35:51):
If you have one power hungry man taking advantage of
another person's waning power. Now Elon Musk is going to
be at the head of the heap right, And I'm
sure j Lo had to say that she was friends
with P Diddy because he was probably stalking her like
he stalked all of his victims. And when a woman
is being stalked, the last thing she's going to do
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is say anything negative about the stalker. She's going to
smooth it over as much as she can.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
I'm just saying I don't like seeing Jennifer Lopez attacked
because of not taking a public stand against her benefactor
and mentor that helped her in her career, that said
final word to you.
Speaker 7 (36:37):
Bethany, Well, she probably had a lot to lose by
taking a stand because he probably had power over her,
like he had power over every other victim in his life.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
A form playboy model claims Diddy invited her and two
friends to a Tokyo party that she now believes was
a freak off. Rachel Kennedy says she met Combs at
a Tokyo club where she worked, and he returned the
next night to invite her to a party. When Kennedy
and two friends arrived to come hotel room, was alone
in a bathroom with a bottle of champagne. Kennedy says,
Combs had a j Lo music video playing in a
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loop on the TV while he talked on the phone
with his then girlfriend.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Chris mcdunna joining me, former homicide and vice cop. Again,
the arrogance of inviting somebody over and then you pop
out in nothing but a bathroom and a bottle of champagne.
Speaker 9 (37:20):
Yeah, I mean, you can't make this stuff up. But
let's remember he is a very dangerous individual in terms
of as a hunter. His whole persona is is to
lure that victim men. And this is an obvious situation
here where he gives these two women to come to
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his apartment or his hotel room, whatever it was. There,
He's already prepared, and that's what a hunter does. He's
already staked out, you know, the where he's going to
do the hunting. He's already got it figured out, you know,
if he's gonna you know, how he's going to execute,
you know, the the event that evening. He is a
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very dangerous individual.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
The grand jury is meeting now are they hearing these
other alleged victims? And remember, Sean Comes is innocent until
proven guilty in a court of law. All of this
is just allegations that said the longtime manager of superstar
John Legend has now been added to the alleged victim
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list listen.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
John Legend's longtime manager, tys To Gloria has wrote about
her terrifying experience at a ditty party. In an op
ed for The New York Times. Sir Cloria says she
was a recent college graduate when she snuck into a
Saint Bart's got party with her brother Stacloria's belief she
was following a man to a disco room, but wound
up locked in a bedroom with him alone. Sir Cloria's
managed to convince the man her brother would be looking for,
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but to this day she wonders how much worse that
situation could have been.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
As the grand jury continues to meet and what I
believe gathering testimony for a superseding felony indictment against Shawn Combs,
he is concerned about his grilled cheese birthday sandwich. Let's
stop and remember an American hero. Police officer Cody James
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Brotherson West Valley CITYPD, Utah struck and killed in the
line of duty just twenty five, survived by grieving fiancee
Jessica and their fur baby, Bolo, American hero police officer
Cody James brotherson Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. It's a ditty celebration, that's right.
Sean Comes whining again about his birthday grill cheese sandwich.
He's worried about a grilled cheese sandwich as a grand
jury looms, I, Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank
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you for being with us. Day Wilcome.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
When we will name names other than Shawn Comes, and
there's a.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Lot of names.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
It's a long list already because the nature of this case.
We're gonna make damn shore, damn sure that we're right
before we do that. But the names that we're going
to name are names that will shock here.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Sean diddy Comb celebrated his fifty fifth birthday behind bars
at the MDC in addition to a call from his children.
Comes enjoyed a breakfast cake for his first meal of
the day and had a choice of pizza, salad, or
pasta for dinner. The Disgrace Mogul turned a year older.
Amidst a desperate battle in state of gag order has
more damaging claims emerge from complainants and witnesses. The latest
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alegation that a grand jury witness is in possession of
at least eight of Didy sex tapes with a list celebrities,
some of them miners.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
There's some controversy was it pasta or was it a
grilled cheese? In any event, Sean Comms need to stop
whining about his breakfast and lunch menu at MDC Correctional
Institute and start thinking about what the Grand jury is doing.
The Feds let me tell you, I was a FED
for three years. Love to do what we call a
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superseding indictment. What is that? That is when they add
to the current indictment or revise translation change the current indictment.
I mean, think about it. He's already under a federal indictment.
So why is the Green Jury continuing to meet? But
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back to the urgent issue of the grill geese and
the birthday celebration. Joining me an all star panel to
make sense of what we know now? Straight out to
Rob Shooter, a longtime colleague, host of Naughty but Nice
podcast which can mean so many different things, but former
publicist to Sean Combs and author of the four word
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Answer very important. He was Combs's publicist for many years.
He was also Jennifer Lopez's publicist, and he has attended
many white parties. Okay, first question to you, and I'm
honor bound to ask this, rob Shooter, when you say
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that you attended the white parties number one, where you
subjected to the requirements to attend a white party. In
other words, did you weigh over one hundred and forty pounds?
Did you wear a short dress where your quote butt
cheeks show? Were you wearing stilettos? Were you quote sexy
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with low cut top? Because those are some of the
requirements that had to be met before you could put
one toe in a Diddy white party. Translation, you had
to wear all white. Also, did you have to stand
on a set of skills which were right there as
people were entering to make sure you weren't over one
hundred and forty pounds? And were you subjected to an
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age request where you asked how old are you? So
if you could just clear the air right now and
answer those questions, Shooter.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Let me be clear, I worked at Diddy in the
early two thousands, over twenty years ago, and he wasn't
yet the Diddy that we know today, So he was
still sort of figuring out who he was as a celebrity,
as a businessman, and so the party is that I
root for Diddy. I was a publicist. I organized the
press outside the red carpet, something we call a step
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and repeat. Celebrities walk down and take pictures. Those parties
were about two thousand, Peace called. Now. There were codes
of conduct. You have to wear just white if you.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Jumped up in wait wait, wait, wait, excuse me? Code
of conduct? Are you serious? Code of conduct? You're you're
acting like he's trying to get into the Naval Academy.
A code of conduct. This is a dress code for
women only. They had to show their breasts and their backside.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
I wasn't I never saw that list. What I saw
was a list to get into the regular party, the
ones that started at about ten o'clock, not the ones
that started at two or three am.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
That's a very that's tenient. Isn't it that you knew
nothing about the attendance requests? But that said, I'm afraid
I'm pulling a Diddy right now. He's all worried about
having to eat a grilled cheese sandwich on his birthday
instead of the grand jury. Let's get down to what's
happening right now, other than whining about his treatment behind
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at MDC. Doctor Dwayne Hendricks is joining me our associate
warden at m d C Metropolitan Detention Center. Former senior
warden with the US Department of Justice, Federal Bureau of Prisons,
Founder president of a New Daylight Foundation, and author of
Who Are You See It? Say It? And Sees It? Okay,
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doctor Hendrix, was Diddy supposed to have a special birthday
celebration behind bars?
Speaker 5 (05:25):
No, No, not at all. It's frequency discussed. There's a
national menu. What he ate on his birthday on Monday
was on the menu. And again, I don't continue to
understand why he's still complaining about Mills when he's been
there for well over going on two months now.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
So well, hey, doctor Hendricks, nobody offered me cereal fruit
or breakfast cake whatever that is. Nobody offered me positive
with marinara sauce, meatballs and a salad. Really dinner chicken
or toad with fried rice, black beans and carrots. I
have to go in the kitchen and cout dinner every night,
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and he's whining he had chicken, fried rice with black
beans and carrots. Is this all about his grilled cheese
or is it just the fact that he doesn't have
his private chef anymore. So let me see doctor Dwayne
Henrick again. Are you telling me the birthday boy did
not get special treatment on his birk?
Speaker 5 (06:24):
The birthday boy did not get special treatment. He's being
treated just like every other incarcerated person in the building.
And I think the sooner that he understands that he's
just going to be just like everyone else, the better
off that he'll be in terms of him being at
the institution while he's a Wayne trial. So again, he
has welfish that's out.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Of their way. There's going to be a superseding indictment,
and he's going to have to sit put for quite
a while. Rob Shooter with me. Former publicist de Sean
Comes for many years also served as Jennifer Lopez's publicist
for a period of time, Rob Shooter, what meals did
did he normally have with his private chef? What was
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on the menu at those white parties that you supervised?
Speaker 4 (07:08):
He lived like a king, Nancy. I've never seen anybody
he lived like this. I worked with a lot of
celebrities and did he was the one that enjoyed being
a celebrity the most, like the perks of it. We're
talking lobster. We're talking nobu, We're talking the best sushi
in the world. He would kick his fingers and have
people deliver a cheesecake to him in the early hours
of the morning. What he has given up as far
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as his LifeStyle's been taken away from him, as far
as his as his lifestyle is concerned, is extraordinary. Nobody
lived better than did.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Hey, don't you you say something about snapping his fingers
in the week morning hours and getting cheesecake delivered.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
He did. If you worked for Diddy, you worked for
a tyrant. He was an absolute boss. He would text
me at four or five six am in the morning
and expect a response. It was a really stressful time.
He taught me how to be a publicist. And the
one thing about Diddy I want to point out that
people don't talk about enough if he was charming Dancy.
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He was absolutely charming, which is why he'd probably got
away with what he did for so long.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Well, I don't understand what's charming about getting a text
at four am to do what? What would he want
you to do at four am?
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Guys, those are photos that have just emerged that indicate
that certain alleged victims were with Diddy at the times
they say they were, their faces have been blacked out. Okay,
what Shooter, what would anybody want at four am in
the morning.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
He wanted to figure out what his next day publicity
would be. It was all about being the most famous
person in the world with pretty limited talent. He's not
the best singer or dance or actor, but get somehow
he made himself into the center of a circus. It's
almost like he was baring them. He was the ringmaster
of this circus that he ran. He was the boss.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
I still don't understand exactly why he would text you
at four o'clock in the morning, and how you can't
continue to say that he was charming when.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
You were wished Tod and I. I think this is
quite common with a lot of really bad people out there.
There was a sensic deity that he made you feel special.
He looked you in the eye, he showered you with gifts,
and now looking back, I can see how manipulative it
all was, But in the moment, he made everybody around
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him feel very special.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Rob Shooter joining me for any but Nice podcast? Did
you just say? Did? It was not that talented.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
He was not a natural finger, He was not a
natural actor. He was not a natural musician. I don't
think he plays an instrument. Yet he managed to make
himself into the center of the music business. That comes
with a certain amount of talent, with hutzpur with ambition,
But as far as traditional talents of a musical artist,
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he did not possess them.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Well, guess what You're in good company. I guess you've
heard of the renowned music producer Quincy Jones. Listen.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
Legendary music producer Quincy Jones passed away Sunday at the
age ninety one, and with his death, many are remembering
his brutal opinion of Sean Diddy Combs. Jones said to
artist Bruno Mars at a twenty twelve Spotify events at
that he did he wouldn't know a B flat if
it hit him. Jones describes Combs as a master marketer
but a lackluster producer. Moments after encouraging artists to really
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learn their craft, Jones later took to social media to
say he didn't mean to diss the rapper and had
nothing but love and respect for Combs and his achievements.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Right, nothing but love, but would know would be flat
if it bit him in the neck. Joining me, Doctor
Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst, joining us from LA, author of deal Breaker.
You can find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com
and see you're on Peacock. Doctor Bethany. Here is the
crux of what I'm getting at while a grand jury
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is continuing to me. You know what that means, doctor Bethany.
That means twenty to life on multiple charges each. That's
what's happening right now. The fans are gonna pull. I'm
going to go to Josher Ritter on this in just
a moment, going to pull as they should if they've
got the evidence to support it. What we call a
superseding indictment, which means you add to or change the
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existing indictment. So that's what I would be worried about
right now behind bars. Not my grilled cheese sandwich I
had on my birthday, Not whether Quincy Jones said I
wouldn't know a beef flat if it bit me in
the neck. But I guarantee, Bethany, that is what is
consuming him right now. I guarantee you too.
Speaker 7 (11:30):
You know it does matter to him because he did
He only cares about his own bodily pleasures, whether it's food, sex,
the clothing that he wears. He is a glutton, okay,
so of course he's going to be staring straight at
that pasta marinara and wondering if the temperature is hot enough.
He lives his life for food and sex. He snaps
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his fingers at four in the morning to get a
birthday cake delivered to him. He's I guess Freud would
use the term his royal highness the baby. He gets
everything he wants, and you know all that music, Nancy.
I think of music is a way to share a message,
share an emotional transformation you're going through, so that you
can help other people. Music for him was just to
sell through.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Mean, Bethany, you're telling me that Sean Comes aka Diddy
aka Puff aka Puffy aka puff Daddy aka Love and
anymore created music to express his own deeply failt emotions.
Speaker 7 (12:33):
I'm saying the no.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
I'm saying the opposite.
Speaker 7 (12:36):
I'm saying most artists they express themselves through music because
they want to move and inspire others. He used music
to lure people in so he can rape them. It's
a perversion of that whole art form. It's like if
you painted a beautiful photo, painted a beautiful painting just
to invite guests to a gallery opening so you could
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sure them champagne laced with drugs so you could rape
them all at the end of the night.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I think that's what.
Speaker 7 (13:05):
Quincy Jones was referring to, not even knowing a bee
flat if it hit him in the face, you.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Had a mathony. Can I get us out of the
weeds and back in the middle of the road. What
does it mean when someone such in this case, such
as in this case is Sean Combs, is more worried
about his birthday grillties. He's sitting in the MDC, nobody
wants to be there, and he's angry he didn't get
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his usual birthday I don't know Fantasia and he's upset
that Quincy Jones said he wouldn't be flat if it
bit him in the neck. What does this mean? And
could you please be concise because I'm trying to get
into his head. I'm trying to understand where he's going
to go at trial. People who are disturbed operate at
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an infantile level. They are concerned about the things babies
are concerned with babies are concerned with being an eating
and being taken care of and coddled. And that's all
he cares about. That's his psychopathology. He's primitive and infantile.
Speaker 8 (14:08):
Sean Diddy Combs has now been sued with claims of
molestation and sexual assault, whopping twenty seven times with more
on the horizon. Houston lawyer Tony Busby has filed seven
new lawsuits on top of the six already filed last week.
Two of the latest anonymous plaintiffs are miners, and several
unnamed celebrities are mentioned in the accusations. The cases have
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all been assigned to different judges, with at least two
asking the filers to justify their anonymity.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
A birthday, I'm happy, thank you very much.
Speaker 9 (14:42):
I love you.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
I love you in a couple of days.
Speaker 10 (14:49):
I know Daddy by right here he on the Florence
here Pops love you. You know you can't, so you're
not gonna have none love.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
That is from Prince j d C on Instagram. You
know to doctor Bethany Marshall. That video to me is heartbreaking,
not for Combs because he did this to himself at
the expense of many, many alleged victims that were raped.
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But it's sad to me because of his children. I
mean how many. Just the other day I did the
birthday videos of the twins for their birthday. Okay, long
and extensive birthday videos which I have already started looking
back at happily. And their father is behind bars, and
it hurts me for them to be going through this.
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And of course there's no way he's ever going to
admit to any of this. I mean, think about Scott
Paterson to this day. He is dug in. He's never
going to admit no matter what, and he's dragging everybody
along with him, including his family. Same thing with Combs Nancy.
Speaker 7 (16:17):
Whatever Colm's attachment style is with his victims, wanting to
have power over them, to exploit them, his attachment style
will be the same with his children. It'll just take
a different form, maybe interpersonally offending with them by getting
them to listen to his stories, by manipulating them into
thinking things that are not true. So these poor children,
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not only are they living a life without their father,
but they're going to spend their entire adult lives dismantling
the mythology that their dad is great and loving and kind, and.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
I don't know that they ever will, Bethany, I don't
know that they ever will. Because who wants to hear
something right about their parents? Nobody, most people, And they
attacked the tables them. I don't think they're going to
dismantle anything.
Speaker 7 (17:04):
Well, maybe some will and some won't.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
We'll see what their resiliency is.
Speaker 7 (17:07):
I think what you're suggesting, Nancy is they'll stay in
a state of idealization and denial about their father, which
many adult children do. But look, there's sometimes we have
adult children who turn their parents in for crimes. They
can see, they can see the parent, who who the
parent is. So this is something that we will.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Learn going forward to Crime online dot Com investigative reporter
Sidney Sumner, what were the ages of the youngest alleged victims,
because many of them are younger than Didi's own children.
Let's just think about.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
That for a moment, Nancy.
Speaker 11 (17:40):
The latest filing from a minor at the time who
claims they were attacked as a minor with a ten
year old boy auditioning for combs. They also have a
thirteen year old and Tony Busby has said that a
nine year old victim plans to file. So lots of
young children here, sixteen, nineteen years old in Combes's youngest child,
(18:04):
Love is just about two years old now, and his
twins are seventeen themselves.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
To Chris mcdunn and joining me, director of the Cole
Case Foundation and for my purposes, former homicide detective and
vice detective. He is a host of a blockbuster YouTube channel,
The Interview Room. Chris, I'm speaking of the alleged younger victims, juveniles,
alleged victims. This has not been proven in court yet.
(18:32):
There are many of them, and they all have a
startlingly similar story that they wanted to audition to get
into the music industry through Comb's and the audition would
often include him forcing or asking for oral sex from
a minor. My question to you is we see the
(18:55):
same modus operandi, method of operation alleged over and over
and over. I mean, can you teach an old dog
a new trick? Apparently not?
Speaker 3 (19:05):
You're one hundred.
Speaker 12 (19:05):
Percent right, Nancy, And that pee in his name may
have a whole different meaning. Now, the fact that he
is living this secret life, you know, behind the scenes
and projecting this public persona I e.
Speaker 9 (19:20):
On that phone call. It just goes back to doctor
Bethany's thought process and relationship to you know, total power
and control, and the fact that he's choosing children. Okay,
that just puts him at a whole different level because
now as he projects, you know, hey, so I beat
somebody up in the past, I'm sorry for that, He's
(19:43):
going to have no feeling in relationship to these children
at all. He's past feeling there.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, so Jirov Sater to a
Not Even Nice Podcast, former publicist to Sean Combs and
Jennifer Lopez Rob I'm hearing what Chris mc dunnet is saying,
and we're talking about the MOO method of operation, where
you basically think you can get away with anything, you
(20:17):
can demand anything, and you can get it. What was
it like? Was that true when you worked for him?
Speaker 4 (20:25):
When I started working with Diddy about twenty years ago,
he was still flexed in his muscles. He was early
on in his career. He wanted to become a big
mobile so he was still still trying to figure it
all out. Was he arrogant, was he rude? Was he
aggressive yet? Or he had yet to figure out just
how powerful he was or he was going to be.
But I think about the children, if I can just
(20:46):
jump in for a second here. What alarms me about
that video with the kids is that should have been
a private celebration conversation with his family. The fact that
they videoed that and put it on social media telled
me that Puffy's to use these kids in his defense.
He's now fighting two battles, a legal battle and the
battle of public opinion, which really matters to him. And
(21:08):
in the second battle, he will use his kids or
whoever to try and present himself as a caring father.
Not true.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
The world of Diddy Freakovs has physical requirements for all
women taking part, and the list is now public. You
cannot be over one hundred and forty pounds other no
nos on the list. No flab, no celluli, nobody who's
overly pierced, are two tatted up, no short hair, no pants,
no genes. You have to be young and hot and
showing cleavage. You must wear provocative, revealing clothing with stilettos,
(21:37):
nothing else. Every girl has to wear a party dress,
a short party dress, short enough to just cover the
butt cheeks. The Metropolitan Detention Center has been under increased
scrutiny since two inmates were fatally stabbed over the summer.
A recent interagency operation at the MDC turned up numerous
homemade weapons, electronic devices, and drugs hidden throughout the prison.
(21:58):
Investigators say the large scale sweet for contraband had nothing
to do with Shaun cums incarceration, but was pre planned
and coordinated to ensure the safety and security of staff
and inmates.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Right. It has nothing to do with Sean Combs being
an inmate there after his disastrous grilled cheese sandwich. I'm
sure he's complaining.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Now.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Now let me understand to you, Sidney Sumner or Crime
online dot Com investigative reporter, tell me about the MDC
increased scrutiny because I understand more than one agency is
investigating MDC.
Speaker 11 (22:30):
Why, Nancy. We believe this is due to the stabbings
in incredible violence that happened at the MDC. We know
that federal agents and the Bureau of Prisons started this
investigation and wanted to tape all of the contraband in
the prison out. They needed to eradicate this to really
(22:51):
help inmates and staff stay safe because the amount of
violence at the NBC is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Of hornt okay well, so far in the claims by
Combs that he has been attacked or mistreated in any
way other than the grilled cheese. So large scale sweep
for contraband, including electronic devices, homemade weapons I Eate a shank,
drugs and more. Now, who else has lived at MDC?
(23:19):
A lot of celebrities, so Diddy is not alone. Let's
say they're sixty nine. Oh, he doesn't look happy. Alison
mack r Kelly, whose case is very similar to Combs,
is Keith Rainier, Michael Cohen, Jelaine Maxwell, in Sam Bateman freed.
There are so many high profile celebrities. But to you,
(23:43):
doctor Dwayne Hendrick's former associate Warden at MDC, I didn't
hear any of them whining about their grilled cheese. And
I wait a minute, Jelaine Maxwell did whine about being
cold or something to that effect that said, I didn't
hear them whining they didn't get special treatment on their birthday.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
No, And in terms of the sleep that went through
the interagency action that went through the institution last week,
it's not in common that these interagency actions are occurring
several months ago and in Florida, a large prison federal
prison complex also had a multi agency sweep which led
(24:23):
to with LEDs to charges to inmates and staff due
to a homicide and staff bringing and contraband. Now I
will say I don't believe the sweep last week had
anything to do with Diddy. However, with the increased scrutiny
on the institution in these.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Are you telling me you believe in coincidences that Diddy
whinds about his treatment and about MDC and then suddenly
there's a sweep.
Speaker 7 (24:51):
No.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
I think there was obviously several weapons, cell phones, and
different things of that nature. And I think the agency
has learned from other media issues in terms of, you know,
trying to keep things in house, so to speak, and
I think by bringing our law enforcement partners, it brings
transparency and it also helps create a safer environment. But
(25:14):
I do I will also admit having Sean Holmes there
and all eyes on the institution, especially with some of
the issues that they've had there over the last several years,
that made that next multi agency suite probably happening a
lot faster than it would have maybe a.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Few So now you're saying it is connected. Okay, you
cannot have your cage on a similar and eat it too.
So I'm going to give you a moment to think
about what you just said and then come up with
your decision to Shawn comes being there have anything to
do with a sweep across the entire MDC revealing what
a lot of weapons, cell phone devices, and much more drugs, shanks,
(25:55):
you name it, Josh Ritter, When you and behind bars guys,
Joshua ridd is a renown criminal defense attorney, former prosecutor,
and host of Courtroom Confidential on YouTube. You can find
them at Joshua Ridder dot com. I'm always amazed that
people lead a life of crime and when they end
(26:18):
up behind bars, they're like, what this is awful? Okay, yeah,
it's jail, But do they not understand that a life
of crime leads to incarceration.
Speaker 13 (26:30):
Well, I think one thing that criminals don't do is
think about consequences. Most of their life has lived on
this idea that they're going to get away with it.
So yeah, there's a lot of rude awakenings when they
end up behind bars. It's an incredibly uncomfortable is not
even the right word for it. It's an incredibly horrible
(26:50):
place to be in. I mean, you're you're first of all,
you're lacking all kinds of comfort. But secondly, as we're
finding out, it's also incredibly stressful, a horrible place.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
How do you think those women feel when they wake
up the next morning still greased up with baby oil
infused with g HB gama hydroxy butty eight, with their
rear ends and their vagina's herding. What about that? And
you're telling me Gella is a horrible place.
Speaker 13 (27:15):
To be And yeah, no, you're absolutely right, And that's
why he's ever.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Wake up morning govern baby hurting ridder.
Speaker 13 (27:25):
Not No, I cannot say that that I've experienced that.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
But lucky you.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I guess you didn't go to a white party, you know,
Rob Sheeter, I agree with what Richard just said that
criminals do not think about consequences of what they are doing.
Rob Sheeter, could you just give me a peek into
the lifestyle that Sean Combs enjoyed before he ended up
in MDC.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
He lived like a king, like an absolute king. Could
he afford the best of the best, from private plane
to the best restaurants to the best clothes. The most
important part of this that we don't talk about enough
is that it's the way people would treat him. Puppy
could get on the stone with pretty much anybody, and
a winter who runs Vogue magazine in fd lrder If
(28:13):
he wanted a fravrance whatever giddy place to call, it
was returned. He loved being a celebrity. He went out
all the time, the parties he played, and he literally
was the king of New York for quite a period
of time. It wasn't that sure.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
The NDC Brooklyn amenities okay, indoor outdoor facilities for games
and sports, cable TV, movie nights on weekends, True linked
tablets for communication. I guess it's like an iPad and
a library. Wait a minute, in or outdoor facilities that
(28:47):
mean basketball and tennis, cable TV. I hope he's watching
right now. Movie nights on weekends. Nobody's giving me a
movie night? Does that come with partcorn and soda? True
linked tablets, I guess, says an iPad and a library.
Now to you, Rob Shooter, what would a day in
the life of Ditty be like before? In DC?
Speaker 4 (29:12):
It would be extraordinary. He looked like a change. He
looked like a superstar. He would wake up, he'd have
people there to make his breakfast. They'd have people there
to dress him. It'd have clothes brought him and he
could select. He would then get in a show for Limos.
He's driven to his office where he'd spend a couple
of hours, and then he would go to the gym,
and then he'd meet friends for dinner. It was an
(29:32):
extraordinary life and people to jump. He could send people
and they would take those calls and.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Just crime stories with Nancy Grace ja Ja Rune Subramaniam
rejects a gag order proposal from the defense team for
Sean Ditty Combs did. He claims government officials are leaking
information about him to the media in an effort make
(30:00):
him look dangerous to prevent every from getting out on
bond before trial. After ejecting the proposal from Ditty, the
judge adopts a gag order similar to that requested by Combs.
The judges order insists federal agents, investigators, and Ditty's team
must follow the laws forbidding them from leaking grand jury
proceedings that can create problems for a fair trial.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Two. Joshua Ritter high profile lawyer. Isn't it true that
Combs is facing new grand jury testimony while prosecutors have
rejected a demand that he that they be forced to
reveal the accusers' identities, and that Comb's is insisting that
(30:41):
everyone potential witnesses be under a gag order. Is that
what they are arguing right now?
Speaker 13 (30:48):
Yes, And the government's saying absolutely no. Dies, There's no
way they're going to be handing over this information about
the alleged victims impossible witnesses because they're trying to protect
these people. They know the kind of power this man.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Well, another thing is that this is another thing, Joshua,
is that such a gag order would be placed on
potential witnesses, including civil compliance that are suing for money. Well,
I do see one problem. A grand jury witness came
out and had a press conference. Listen.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
Courtney Burgess, reportedly a friend of the late Kim Porter,
tells reporters outside the courthouse that he just testified in
front of the Diddy grand jury as a witness. Burgess
claims that Porter gave him eleven flash drives for safekeeping
shortly before her death. Burgess says the drive store at
least eight sex tapes picturing Colmns with different a list
celebrities who Burgess describes as victims, two or three of
(31:43):
whom appear to be minors. Burgess claims he no longer
has possession of the tapes.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Why did a grand jury witness come out and hold
a presser claiming that he has videos of celebrities at
the party. Why would he do that? What is his
motivation for implicating celebrities?
Speaker 14 (32:00):
Well after that presser this happened two days after Courtney
Burgess publicly discusses his testimony, Shawn Combs's legal team submits
a letter to Judge Subramanian demanding with renewed urgency that
he established a gag order. The defense attorneys specifically cite
Courtney Burgess' eagerness to speak with the media and a
New York Post article using a federal agent as a
(32:20):
source as improper pre trial publicity that is making it
impossible for comes to have a fair trial.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
If that's true, that a federal agent or a federal employee,
it could be the person making xerox copies for all
I know that works in the courthouse. The state's got
to ferret out who is making links if anyone. But
the Feds are fighting back. Listen.
Speaker 6 (32:42):
Federal prosecutors are fighting Comb's requests to identify his accusers,
calling the defense's petition an attempt to hijack the criminal
case to fight civil claims against him. Prosecutors cite serious
and ongoing concerns for victims and witnesses safety as reason
enough to deny Comb's demand, But the Feds also that
asking the judge to force an early disclosure of evidence
(33:03):
is a thinly veiled attempt to restrict the government's proof
at an early stage of the case.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
In the middle of all of this, a celeb weighs
in slamming, of all people, Jennifer Lopez. Okay to you,
Rob Shooter. Look, I don't have an opinion one way
or the other. On Elon Musk, he must be brilliant
to be launching rockets. Well, some of them work. But
(33:28):
that said, the guy's got to be a braining act.
But why is he waiting into the show?
Speaker 14 (33:35):
On Combs Controversy, listen, Elon Musk is slamming Jennifer Lopez
for her failure to warn anyone about Ditty's disgusting behavior.
Musk comments that someone had to know that Combs was
abusing women and children, but the music industry continued to
feed him victims. Lopez has always remained very tight lipped
about their relationship, but did reveal Combs often referred to
(33:57):
their relationship as a marriage and frequently threatened her with divorce.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Rob Shooter, you repped j Loo and Sean Combs. What
was the nature of their relationship? All I know was
after that nightclub shooting, she broke.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
Up with him, right, That's right. Jennison would credit Sean
with creating a lot of her career. She changed the
name to j Loo because of his recommendation. He's the
one that encouraged her to get into the music this
to release albums. He stead her up with several different
producers so early on in her career. He was quite
helpful for her. However, after that shooting incident in the
(34:35):
nightclub where she was presented at the time, that was
the end of their relationship. Rantically, they did stay friend,
don't talk to one another.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
It is praise please stop stop stop, Rob Shooter. They
stayed friends. Uh uh she all you can see j
Lo was elbows and tailhole. She ran the other way.
Of course, She's saying, oh, we're still friends. Who wants
to store up before was Sean comes? For Pete's sake?
Why are you saying they stayed at friends? That's stuff
(35:04):
when you break up with a bad boyfriend. Oh yeah,
we're still friends. No you're not. Why are you saying that?
Speaker 4 (35:09):
Good question. She did maintain publicly that her and puppy
was still friends. Now, I represented both of them, and
I can tell you when I worked for them, they
were not together romantically, and both accounts were very separate.
She never ever asked me about him. He always asked
me about her.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Hmm. Interesting, So he was thinking about her a lot
more than she was thinking about him. Doctor Bethony Marshall again,
I would not know Musk if he bit me in then, Nick,
but you've got to agree he's a brainiac, Okay. Why
he would inject himself in the middle of all this
much less attack?
Speaker 2 (35:42):
J Lo.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
So what if she did disagree with his behavior? Why
do you think she turned hail? I'm wondering with Elon Musk.
Speaker 7 (35:51):
If you have one power hungry man taking advantage of
another person's waning power. Now Elon Musk is going to
be at the head of the heap right, And I'm
sure j Lo had to say that she was friends
with P Diddy because he was probably stalking her like
he stalked all of his victims. And when a woman
is being stalked, the last thing she's going to do
(36:13):
is say anything negative about the stalker. She's going to
smooth it over as much as she can.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
I'm just saying I don't like seeing Jennifer Lopez attacked
because of not taking a public stand against her benefactor
and mentor that helped her in her career, that said
final word to you.
Speaker 7 (36:37):
Bethany, Well, she probably had a lot to lose by
taking a stand because he probably had power over her,
like he had power over every other victim in his life.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
A form playboy model claims Diddy invited her and two
friends to a Tokyo party that she now believes was
a freak off. Rachel Kennedy says she met Combs at
a Tokyo club where she worked, and he returned the
next night to invite her to a party. When Kennedy
and two friends arrived to come hotel room, was alone
in a bathroom with a bottle of champagne. Kennedy says,
Combs had a j Lo music video playing in a
(37:06):
loop on the TV while he talked on the phone
with his then girlfriend.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Chris mcdunna joining me, former homicide and vice cop. Again,
the arrogance of inviting somebody over and then you pop
out in nothing but a bathroom and a bottle of champagne.
Speaker 9 (37:20):
Yeah, I mean, you can't make this stuff up. But
let's remember he is a very dangerous individual in terms
of as a hunter. His whole persona is is to
lure that victim men. And this is an obvious situation
here where he gives these two women to come to
(37:41):
his apartment or his hotel room, whatever it was. There,
He's already prepared, and that's what a hunter does. He's
already staked out, you know, the where he's going to
do the hunting. He's already got it figured out, you know,
if he's gonna you know, how he's going to execute,
you know, the the event that evening. He is a
(38:02):
very dangerous individual.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
The grand jury is meeting now are they hearing these
other alleged victims? And remember, Sean Comes is innocent until
proven guilty in a court of law. All of this
is just allegations that said the longtime manager of superstar
John Legend has now been added to the alleged victim
(38:26):
list listen.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
John Legend's longtime manager, tys To Gloria has wrote about
her terrifying experience at a ditty party. In an op
ed for The New York Times. Sir Cloria says she
was a recent college graduate when she snuck into a
Saint Bart's got party with her brother Stacloria's belief she
was following a man to a disco room, but wound
up locked in a bedroom with him alone. Sir Cloria's
managed to convince the man her brother would be looking for,
(38:47):
but to this day she wonders how much worse that
situation could have been.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
As the grand jury continues to meet and what I
believe gathering testimony for a superseding felony indictment against Shawn Combs,
he is concerned about his grilled cheese birthday sandwich. Let's
stop and remember an American hero. Police officer Cody James
(39:12):
Brotherson West Valley CITYPD, Utah struck and killed in the
line of duty just twenty five, survived by grieving fiancee
Jessica and their fur baby, Bolo, American hero police officer
Cody James brotherson Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,
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