June 13, 2025 • 42 mins
As rumored, Kanye West arrives today at his sometimes collaborator's trial as the prosecution moves into the home stretch on presenting their case to the jury against disgraced rapper Sean "Diddy" combs.
A recap of powerful and emotional testimony against the disgraced rapper comes from ex-girlfriend "Jane" testifying under a pseudonym. Jane spent her days on the stand describing “hotel nights” with Combs, which involved her having sex with other men while he watches. Jane testifies Combs paid her rent as ‘leverage’ and treated her ‘like an animal’
Jane says she pleaded with Combs to stop pressuring her into sex acts with male escorts, and she was shocked when she learned of his lawsuit from Cassie Ventura. Jane alleges she was with Combs the night CNN releases the video of Combs' kicking Cassie at the Intercontinental Hotel during an alleged "Freak off."
Judge Arun Subramanian, gives Diddy heat calling Combs out for behavior crossing the line. According to reports, Combs seen “nodding vigorously” to jurors and making eye contact while another alleged victim was on the stand, Bryana Bana Bongolan. At the same time. prosecutors seek to have a juror removed.
The rapper has denied any accusations of wrongdoing
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Shawn Combs wants the sex worker to be well in doubt. Again,
this ain't a trust fund at Harvard University.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
They've got a lot of great evidence against Diddy, but
if they engage in prosecutorial.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Mission, if the engage.
Speaker 5 (00:26):
Enough to prove this showing the state's putting on too
much evidence, it's wrong.
Speaker 6 (00:30):
I heard doctor Marshall described was a domestic battery situation,
and that's.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
What this is. That's what I've been saying. This is
not sex traffic.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
I think people.
Speaker 7 (00:42):
Around him knew that he had an assassination with powerful.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Looking famous people private parts. Michael Jordan, Shaquille O'Neill. This
is what he's interested in.
Speaker 8 (00:58):
This fantasy is of being at the center of attention,
the king of the world, and maybe the fact is
he's compensating for his small appendage.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I
want to thank you for being with us. Straight out
to the courthouse standing by Tisa Tells, pop culture commentator
and star of Tisa Tales on YouTube, Tisa, thank you
for being with us.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Tell me, first of all, what happening court.
Speaker 9 (01:24):
Today, Nancy today, the court was a pure circus.
Speaker 10 (01:28):
Kanye West actually showed up and.
Speaker 9 (01:31):
Turned the court house into Pandemonio.
Speaker 10 (01:35):
By the way. We did speak to him. We were
not able to.
Speaker 9 (01:37):
Get exclusive, but he is expected to be in here
all next week, so Nancy, you know I'm going to
get the exclusive for you. Aside from that, Viddy was
called nodding again by the prosecution.
Speaker 10 (01:49):
The prosecution brought it up to the judge.
Speaker 9 (01:51):
Bryant still actually stood up and said he vouches his
personal integrity that he did not see Ditty nodding. The
only thing is I was one hundred percent looking at
Ditty and saw him turn around and looked to his supporters,
meaning his family in the back and nod vigorously.
Speaker 10 (02:08):
The prosecution wanted him to know.
Speaker 9 (02:10):
That's still a point of testimony. If you don't know,
now you know, and they want him to knock it off.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Taste of tales.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
How did the star witness of today hold up?
Speaker 10 (02:21):
Nancy, I got to tell you.
Speaker 9 (02:22):
The star witness of today was the assault rifle with
filed off serial numbers that had a magazine that.
Speaker 10 (02:30):
Held sixty rounds of green point ammal. What is that?
Speaker 9 (02:33):
Well, Homeland Security was kind enough to explain it is
a type of ammal that.
Speaker 10 (02:37):
Actually pierces bullet proof vest.
Speaker 9 (02:41):
That was the star witness, as much as Ditty's team
tried and tried it again to seem like it's just
casual and casual of the security to have this gun
around with no serial numbers. Listen, you cannot make green
point ammunition seem as it's just standard security protocol.
Speaker 10 (03:00):
Again, we were shocked.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
TSA.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
How was Sean Combs reacting to the testimony? Did he
do his usual kicking around, twirling around, putting his head
in his hands, or if it's really bad, squinting into
the monitor like it's not happening.
Speaker 9 (03:18):
Listen, you want to know how Sean did he calms
is reacting to testimony vigorously turning around and nodding ahead.
Speaker 10 (03:25):
Again, the prosecution.
Speaker 9 (03:27):
Let it be known that they have people on all
points of the courtroom looking at him. Again, I will
say one thing, did he sees an inch? He will
take a mile? Unfortunately, the prosecution let it be known
it ends today and the judge actually put a reminder.
Speaker 10 (03:44):
I believe now, did he is well?
Speaker 9 (03:46):
Notice there's nobody else he can not his head at
unless he looked at the ceiling of nads his head,
which I wouldn't put it past him. Again, Diddy's body
language was unspoken testimony. But I'm glad the prosecution shut
it down.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
And you know what, Rumshooter, you with all these years
as a PR expert, the jury can very likely smell
the stink of fear.
Speaker 10 (04:10):
You can.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Actually, it's like a presence in the courtroom. Once the
tide turns, suddenly the whole dynamic changes in the courtroom.
And I want to hear from your point of view, specifically,
how Sean Combs is responding to this turn in the tide.
Speaker 7 (04:28):
He'll be shocked, so at first he'll be in denial
about it. I've been in a lot of his shows
and some of them did not go very well, and
he used to say afterwards, I could feel the crowd.
I'm losing the crowd. That's what he must be feeling
right now. He is losing this jury.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
However, knowing Puffy like I do, he doesn't give in
without a fight.
Speaker 7 (04:49):
He's going to be screaming at his lawyers. He's going
to be screaming at his team. It's no coincidence that
suddenly his PR machine is outside the tie or trying
to influence people to say nice things. They know they
know they're in trouble, but they are not giving up
without a fight.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Did you hear Rob Shooter that ray J who I
got in a big knockdown here at Knockdown drag out
with the other day over. Sean Combs has now threatened
to leave the country because of the Didy trial. He
should want to stay in the country because of the
Diddy trial, because these women are being represented in court,
(05:29):
They're being given a voice after years of abuse, But
he wants to leave the country.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Really him and Alec Baldwin Bye, I heard this story.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
I saw your conversation with him.
Speaker 7 (05:40):
I think it's about being a cology. Know, Nancy, I
do not have to sit down and get on your
show with you, as much as I enjoy talking to you, Nancy,
But I think people that worked with Didy, people that
maybe once defended Diddy, have to nice speak.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
You can't be quiet, you can't run away. That is
being complicit. You have to just speak out.
Speaker 7 (06:00):
There are a lot of people in New York around
the world who made a lot of money by being
around diggy editors of magazines, executives and Essay Norder, the
Fragrance Company executives at maces where they sold his clothing line.
Where are all those people now? I tried to come
and call a lot of them, and nobody's returning, my
cause they are all running away, maybe not leaving the country,
(06:23):
but they're running away.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Running away from Seawn Combs. And also what's concerning for
instance here ray j is a great example. He seems
very likable. You know, a lot of people think he's
handsome and talented. If he is siding with Seawan Combs
after all this testimony, that's not good because it's a
test for who on the jury could be feeling the same.
(06:47):
Wait back to Tisa Tels joining us outside the courthouse.
You've described one jurrr, a lady gurr who you've been
a little worried about up front, and then you went
to two other jurrrs I believe you said on the
back left.
Speaker 9 (07:00):
Yeah, so in the middle row on the left. Okay,
they're sharing a monitor.
Speaker 10 (07:05):
Again. I have to tell you how impactful this was.
The prosecution didn't just show one picture, two picture. It
was like again again and again. So it was rapid
fire and they.
Speaker 9 (07:15):
Were leaning in almost as if they were looking at
like gruesome carnage and leaning out. At one point she
looked to the side. The jury was visibly uncomfortable. They
were squirming. They literally had to look away, and the
prosecution didn't let up. Another picture, another picture, another picture,
and it was so impactful. Again, I'm not gonna lie.
(07:37):
At that time, I think mistrial. They started to get
the idea of throwing in another mistrial. The jury was repulsed,
but again that shocked the all, leaning.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
In like what is that?
Speaker 11 (07:49):
Oh my god, it was a lot.
Speaker 9 (07:52):
Again we wanted to see what was on those photos too,
But I see the point the prosecution was making, like
these are very graphic, disgusting, whatever it is, but it
bought it home on what a hotel night was a
dirty free call.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
So Jason, what about the male jurors Are they responding
the same way as the lady gerors?
Speaker 9 (08:12):
I gotta I gotta say it was a little bit
concerned about the male jervers, But when it comes to
the graphic nature and the pictures, they also were very,
very disgusted again leaning in, what is that, rubbing their
heads looking to the side, just being like are these
size of woof?
Speaker 10 (08:31):
Like it was a lot again, the.
Speaker 9 (08:34):
Prosecution through all of the smoke screens. You know, they
are moving forward now and again. When we heard testimony
about the ten thousand rent and whether you know she
was a girlfriend or not, it seemed like they might have.
Speaker 10 (08:49):
Been losing them. But the pictures it bought it home.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
You know, to Troy Slayton, trial lawyer out of LA
when a grown man looks away from a photo of
a sex scene with disgust, a man looks away, it's bad, yes,
But here's.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
What's well, Here's what really concerns me, Nancy, is that
the prosecutors shouldn't overplay their hand. They've got a lot
of great evidence against Ditty. But if they engage in
prosecutorial miss book, if the.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
Engagement doesn't have enough to prove this, putting on too
much evidence.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
It's wrong.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
But what they can't use is one witness to say
that Ditty is a liar again and again unless he testifies.
So the federal rules of evidence are very specific.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
All you've gotten to say select the defendant is a
man and looking.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Away from a photo of a naked woman.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
They're disgusted, they're nauseated, they're grossed out. And you're talking
what what? That's what I'm asking you. So you're trying
to make me talk about something else.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
If they have a great, wonderful playbook of all this evidence,
why don't they just stay to that. Why do they
try to overplay their hand by keeping to show these
text messages that say that Diddy is a liar because the.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Federal ruth is terrible when you have a royal flush.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
But the federal rules don't allow it.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Back to Tisa Tails joining us at the courthouse, Tisa
that apology video that Jane was there when comes brings
in the family advisors her, they talk to a lawyer
about doing the apology video. And it seems as if
Seawan Holmes was instructed not to use Cassie's name, And
(10:46):
I think I know why because it would be somewhat
of an admission. So tell me about Jane's testimony about
her helping construct that apology video that Shawn Combs disseminated
on Now.
Speaker 9 (11:00):
One of the most shocking things that came out about
in the courthouse was, as you know, the his apology
video was largely well received, not well received because people.
Speaker 10 (11:10):
Thought that it was.
Speaker 9 (11:11):
Disrespectful because he never said Cassie's name. We found out,
and it was super shocking by a Mark Agnofilio that
he was the one that said take Cassie's name out
of there because she may well be a grand jury witness.
And already they were forward thinking that they didn't want
to look like they were in any way tampering that.
Speaker 11 (11:30):
Now, what does that tell us?
Speaker 9 (11:32):
It tells us, and it told the courtroom largely he
knew how much trouble he was in, and he knew
Jane was one of the only people that can.
Speaker 11 (11:41):
Either testify right or put a nail in his caulfin.
Speaker 10 (11:45):
And that's why it was so shocking.
Speaker 9 (11:46):
That people, as her testimony went on, that you know,
this woman has your freedom in her hands, but its
nature couldn't be denied, and he proceeded to treat her.
Speaker 11 (11:56):
Even more cruelly, even more shocking.
Speaker 9 (11:59):
Again, it was very strategic having around, having her around
the family, having her lawyers, paying for her lawyers, making
sure sure that there was nothing that could she would
be under the umbrella of employee privilege, I'm sorry, non
employee of legal privilege. However, however, it looks like they
(12:19):
somehow misplayed that.
Speaker 11 (12:20):
Because here we are again.
Speaker 9 (12:22):
In court and Jane is right now having Diddy's freedom
in her hands.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
I love the way that you explain that kind of
keeping her in the fold so she would use his
lawyer that he paid for so he could still keep
a tab on her. And she was very quick to
point out Tsa that she did not speak to investigators
before she testified at the grand jury, that she didn't.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Cooperate with them.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
She was only there because she was subpoened and forced
to be there, and that's after speaking to the lawyer.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Sean Shawn Comes provided for her.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Now, I want everybody to look at what Pa tells
us talking about the apology video.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Jane the witness was there when the family.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
And the lawyers are all trying to figure out what
are we gonna say in the way of the Cassie
beat down video.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
This is critical watch.
Speaker 12 (13:15):
It's so difficult to reflect on the darkest times in
your life.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Sometimes you gotta do that. I was fucked up.
Speaker 12 (13:27):
I mean I had rock bottom, but I made no excuses.
Speaker 10 (13:32):
My behavior on that video is inexcusable.
Speaker 12 (13:36):
I take full responsibility for my ashes in that video. Disgusted,
I was disgusted. Then when I did it, I'm disgusting.
Now I went and I sought our professional help. Now
to go into therapy, we're going to rehab. Had to
(13:59):
ask God is mercy and grace? I'm so sorry, but
I'm committed to be a better manage in every day.
I'm not asking for forgiveness. I'm truly sorry.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
I really don't even know what to say that. That's
from Didy's official instagram except technical legal terms BS therapy,
my rear end, rehab really and then asking God to
forgive him?
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Woa whoa woe?
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Tisa tells, isn't it true according to the witness who
is under oath and would be committing perjury if.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
She's lying that?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
After his apology video, he then goes on to beat
Jane so badly that in one case he broke down
the door and she has video of that and the
jury saw it. Now, this is when he's trying to
(15:10):
be a better man again.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Objection, my rear end. That's a lie, be a better man?
Speaker 10 (15:20):
He beat her to helen back.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Is that when he's a better man tore down the
door again? Objection, my rare end.
Speaker 9 (15:28):
What happened in court when Jane Doe testified, we all
knew the violence was coming, but nobody knew what was
going to be a scene out of the shining to
hear that little bunny rabbit talk about. Yes, she threw
a glass, Yes she threw a candle, and then she
went on a chase through her house.
Speaker 11 (15:46):
She ran to the bedroom door, realizing quickly she made
a mistake.
Speaker 9 (15:50):
She locked the door. He kicked in the door again.
These are expensive, heavy doors. She even said it was
so much to.
Speaker 10 (15:58):
Fix she couldn't afford it.
Speaker 9 (16:00):
Which, by the way, he gave her the money to
fix these doors in cash in an unmarked brown paper bag.
Speaker 10 (16:06):
Which seems to be the Diddy Special. Let's see what
the irs has to say about this, you know.
Speaker 11 (16:11):
But he kicked in one door, right it was.
Speaker 10 (16:14):
She ran to the bathroom. He kicked in the door
to the bathroom.
Speaker 9 (16:19):
She ran to the closet hiding and Kit was trying
to kick in the door to the closet, kicked the handle,
kicked the door.
Speaker 10 (16:26):
She did what she could. She seriously changed into a
dress she could run in. He kicked that in.
Speaker 9 (16:31):
She ran out the house barefoot too, six blocks barefoot
in a dark southern California evening. You know how dark
it gets in and she hid for about two hours,
hoping that he would calm down and go away.
Speaker 10 (16:48):
At the end of two hours, she.
Speaker 9 (16:49):
Came back, still scared out of her mind and came
back and that demon was still waiting for her.
Speaker 11 (16:56):
And the violence she actually said he went through. It
broke our heartspit.
Speaker 9 (17:00):
It actually shocks and mind you why we're listening to
the violence that was to come. The apology video is
still fresh in our minds. Cassie is still set fresh
in our minds. When I say he painted him all
his own self out to be a liar, it was
shocking and groundbreaking.
Speaker 11 (17:18):
Just how damaging her testimony was to him.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Straight out to the courthouse, taste of tails.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
You know it's bad when Jimmy Kimmel gets a mouthful
of your rear.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
End right, he bent right.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Into Sean Combs talking about having his children attend the trial.
It's not the quote ideal take your family to work day.
It's the family still sitting in the courtroom, the children
hearing about three male sex workers entertaining him their father,
(17:52):
Seawan Combs listen, but children are back.
Speaker 9 (17:55):
I will think justin Colmes has been mia. However, we
did see Christian Calms, we did see Quincy Calms, and
we show song didty Colm's mother in court listening to
the tawdry details looking stone face again, I've said it
all this time. We don't know if Diddy has pr
on the ground. If he does, they are doing a
(18:17):
horrible job because the optics it has never played over
as well. Again, what are your sins doing? They're looking around,
They're passing notes back to each other. They're writing things down. Now,
to be fair, there's no talking in the courtroom, but
to gott to wonder what are on these notes they're
passing back and forth when they're hearing about daddy's little secret. Okay,
(18:41):
it has been very tense. They look around, but they
are sitting there stoicly stone face.
Speaker 10 (18:46):
But it makes me wonder.
Speaker 9 (18:47):
Okay, as nice as those kids seem to be, and
daddy goes bye bye, it looks like federal forfeits are
also might be taking their trust funds. Because you gotta asks,
are you supporting your father for your bank account?
Speaker 10 (18:59):
Or true?
Speaker 9 (19:00):
Because this is a unanimous showing of love and support.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Tis to think back.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Work comes as children in the courtroom when we heard
testimony about the male sex workers showing up and Shawn
Combs comes striding and button naked from the neck down,
wearing a burger from the neck up.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Did they hear that too?
Speaker 10 (19:20):
Ugly enough? Every single time the Colmbs' children.
Speaker 9 (19:24):
Heard devastating, disgusting, perverse testimony about their father, Okay, the
next day they were mia.
Speaker 10 (19:32):
I don't know if it is because they needed.
Speaker 9 (19:33):
To go back to their happy place and wash that
visual out about the man that they love respect they's
supposed to guide them, or maybe they look at the
social media just like we do and see that the
public things is actually weird that a family we once
thought were the most loving, close family literally will sit
there and look the other way when they hear about
(19:54):
horrible abuse and depravity with women that they largely knew.
For Let's think about Cassie, she was with Dinny four
ten years. Let's look at Jane Do she was there
for Dinny for four years. These are women that they
should know and have some type of some type of
connection with.
Speaker 10 (20:10):
Again, very very odd.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
So Greg Morse joining me, veteran Troyal lawyer, criminal defense attorney,
joining us out of the Palm Beachs Jurisdiction, author of
Untested on Amazon at morselegal dot com. So you're still
saying it's just a tiff between boyfriend and girlfriend.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
Well, it's the James testimony. If I didn't know who
called her, I would think the defense called her. Her
testimony wasn't supportive of sex trafficking. It was supportive of battery.
Maybe aggrevated section.
Speaker 10 (20:41):
Here, thanks sre Well.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
I know it's not people that the day.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
Before Sean Combs is arrested, they go and have a
hotel night with them. They want to rub their feet
in afterwards. These are women that made bad choices to
with the sex stuff, but none of their testimony says
that the violence was to force them into She only
got angry when she thought Seawn Comes was actually sleeping
with another person. She still had her rent paid. That
(21:07):
was her main concern when the employment separated. She testified
to that. So, while Seawn Combs is a horrible, weak
human being and disgusting, the prosecution charged this as sex trafficking,
and the defense has to be very happy with what
would have been much worse testimony that Jane gave them
the things they said in opening that this was an
(21:28):
angry person. This was someone maybe you wouldn't do these
type of sex acts and these type of partying, but
these women.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Intentionally did it.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
They only got angry after the fact, and that's what.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
We're seeing here.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
And as far as the sex trafficking case, unfortunately, these
aren't victims of sex trafficking. Real victims of sex trafficking
don't rub their captor's feet unless they're forced too. They
don't get their rent paid when they don't live with
the person. That's just not how it goes. So he's
a horrible human. But the defense got some good stuff
to work with in Jane's testimony and the mistrial. It's
(22:02):
probably because Sean looked at the juror and the prosecution
got excited and tried to.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Make a big deal of it. So you know, these
things happening.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
The mistaw motion was by the defense. I believe it's
the third one they've made, the third one the men
shot down.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
So doctor Bethany Marshall, when a woman.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Is beaten and beaten and beaten and dragged and hiding
in the bushes and riding, I am not an animal.
I don't want to be locked in a room and
forced to perform sex tricks while you watch. That is
not consensual sex.
Speaker 8 (22:39):
Well, Nancy, she's saying no. No means no. Even adolescents
know that. Now in our society, she is saying no,
and he kicks down four doors. And let me tell
you something, Nancy, when a person is enraged or having
a rage attack, it takes only twenty minutes for the
admigned delight to call back down again. In other words,
(23:02):
he could have controlled himself. He could have walked out
that door, walked around the block, taken a pause, taken
a beat, but he enjoyed beating her. This was a
sadistic beat down, which tells me that he was in
full control of her. I doubt she could have gotten
away even though she was trying. He beat her within
(23:23):
an inch of her life and let her live so
he could sex traffic her even more if these allegations
are true. So we keep talking about how women don't
get away from men like this. This is the tale,
this unfolding right now. If anyone has any doubt about
women staying with men who abuse them or sex traffic them,
(23:43):
just listen to the story and ask yourself if Jane
could have left, or if she was afraid for her life.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Kimmel and I quote.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
If that wasn't bad enough, Diddy's mother was there to
hear this. Report say when she entered the courtroom, he
checked in and asked if she had ate any thing.
She said she did. Kimmel says, get ready to throw up.
Take a listen to Jimmy Kimmel.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Let's hear it from the horse's mouth.
Speaker 13 (24:09):
If that wasn't bad enough, Diddy's mother was there to
hear this. Reports say that when she entered the courtroom,
he checked in, he asked her if she eaten anything.
She said, I did eat and then he told her
get ready to throw off because.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Tasa Hills is Shawnkamm's family still filming a documentary of this.
This is going to become his legacy, his sex trafficking trial.
Speaker 9 (24:33):
Yes, Nancy, I know everybody has heard the rumors that
look like they've been confirmed that Shaun Colton's family is
actually filling a documentary on this. Again, one could argue
this legacy is going to be a sex trafficking file.
Speaker 10 (24:48):
I think the documentary should be followed.
Speaker 9 (24:50):
Daddy's money is about to dry up due to federal
forfeiture and we need other ways. Again, you gotta wonder
are they really just living in La la land and
drinking whatever did he is serving again?
Speaker 10 (25:04):
Did he like spike drinks?
Speaker 9 (25:05):
It makes me think where they're putting it in the
kid's milk, because how can they think, after what the
prosecution has done, that their father is going to get off.
It's actually takesperience that they are documenting probably the last
time they will ever see their father when he is
not behind bars. I hope they're holding on to this
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time in the courtroom. And sadly enough, it looks like
that documentary is going to capture every last sad moment.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
The defense trying their best to skewer a witness on
the stand, a former girlfriend of Shan Comes only known
as Jane too Tisa Tale standing by at the courthouse
store of Tisa Tales on YouTube, Tisa did they crack her?
Speaker 1 (25:52):
And wait, Tisa, have you ever seen, for instance.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
A horror movie or one of those satanic movies where
they throw holy water on the possessed person or the
demon and they ooh and it burns them. That's what
Jane is to ditty, That's what's happening she's the holy
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water being thrown on ditty, right, and he's cringing and
they are trying to stab her through the heart with
a wooden steak. That's what's happening.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
All day long. They went at it. Did it work?
Did they crack her?
Speaker 9 (26:33):
Judging from the sentiment in the courtroom, it does not
look like she they cracked her. She stayed strong and
this is the best they could do. When she's in
the early years of the relationship. She hasn't gotten to
the part where he literally ripped his mask off. You know,
they didn't crack her because what they were claiming is ridiculous.
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One hundred and fifty thousand over three years. You can
make fifty thousand a year. I believe working a little
bit of overtime. Again, it is it's always a choose
your own adventure. But it's lafable to believe. And Jane
did a good job of driving it home, like she said,
and it literally after that, we went immediately to a
break where she said, well, how much is my body worth?
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Did He's team was taken aback and flat footed, because
what do you say to something like that, Because to
give a number it proves everything.
Speaker 10 (27:23):
We think about Diddy, But again it was a powerful moment.
Speaker 9 (27:26):
And Jane the little bunny rabbit, she is sharpening her
shake and she is in there fending off.
Speaker 11 (27:32):
So I definitely think she did agreed.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Okay to send me some of our crime stories. Investigative reporter.
Do I understand this correctly? That Shawn comes aka Diddy fetishized.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Shaquille O'Neil. Okay, have you ever met him?
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Hay's as tall as a door, right, I would not
mess with him. I wonder how he feels finding out
he's been fetishized by Shawn Combs.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Okay, that's neither here nor there. Plus Michael Jordan and
Kobe what Well.
Speaker 14 (28:06):
That aligns with previous testimony that we've heard that Seawan
kOhm specifically wanted to see entertainers Genitalia before they were
invited for a freak off because he wanted it to
be as big as possible and not plays into this
Sadism's doctor Marshall.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Us may whoa what?
Speaker 2 (28:26):
What?
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Please call me? What did you say?
Speaker 14 (28:30):
Tisa tell told us this a few days ago?
Speaker 2 (28:32):
What did you say about Shaq's Genitalia?
Speaker 14 (28:35):
I would have to assume that Shaq being the person
that he is is a very large person in every aspect. Nancy.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Okay, see here, Sydney, we talked about murder, serial murder, rape, arson,
childless station, drug lords. I don't have time for euphemisms.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Yesterday you, Tisa Tales, kept talking to me about how
Seawn Comes, one of the sex workers, would be quote
well endowed. Okay, you're making it sound like, as I said,
a trust fund at Harvard University, when you're actually talking
about the physicality and I'm trying to put it delicately
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so we don't get thrown off the air of the
sex workers. Is that correct? That's a yes, no, Tisa Tales.
Speaker 9 (29:28):
Yes, yes, and listen, just a yes, just a yes.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Okay, Sidney Sumner, don't put perfume on the pig.
Speaker 14 (29:40):
Tell it well, Nancy. It appears that Sean Combs wanted
an entertainer that could make up for his good feel
So we know that Seawan Colms, according to the civil lawsuit,
is not well endowed, so we think that he hired
entertainers that were much more so. And this could either
just be a personal insecurity or maybe it is this
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sadism idea that doctor Bethidy Marshall has brought up several
times that he wanted the women who participated in these
hotel nights to feel some level of pain every single
time that they participated, and I wanted to restond Eric.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Yeah, go ahead, because I want to hear that.
Speaker 14 (30:25):
So Sata said that the defense made it seeing that
Colmes ended these hotel nights early as Jane expressed being uncomfortable.
But she pushed back on that idea and said, no, no, no,
that was not out of sympathy for me. That was
not for my protection. That was because Sean Combs didn't
want to waste time on a bad hotel night when
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it was clear I didn't have chemistry with this entertainer.
And that's why Jane says that she had a hand
in hiring entertainers, because there were certain people that she
at least knew and was comfortable with and wasn't so
freaked out by the fact that she was having sex
with a sex worker without a condom or a very
sweaty man, as Titha told us, so, the only reason
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she had a hand in setting these up was to
protect herself, and Shawn Combs never canceled anything for her comfort.
It was because he didn't want to waste his time
and money on a bad hotel.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Night Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Now joining us from
the Monahan Federal Courthouse is Lauren Khnlin, starov Pop Crime
TV on YouTube. Investigative reporter Lauren Colin. Thank you for
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being with us. What's your takeaway of what happened in
court today?
Speaker 15 (31:49):
Maureen Comy made another comment to the judge that she
saw Diddy nodding again, not at the jury, but he
was nodding during cross examination, and at this point Brian
stealed up and said, your honor, my client has been
nothing but professional and mis call me.
Speaker 10 (32:05):
She can't see him.
Speaker 11 (32:06):
She's relying on.
Speaker 10 (32:07):
The word of others.
Speaker 15 (32:08):
And the judge said, look, there's gonna be a significant
number of reactions in the courtroom. I can't police all
of them. However, I am facing mister Holmes. You know,
I haven't seen him look at the jury, and I
will continue to watch this and look, does did he nod?
Speaker 10 (32:22):
Yes?
Speaker 15 (32:23):
He nods, But I think at this point, since he
was admonished the other day, he would be very silly
to go and look at the jury again and continue nodding.
So we'll keep an eye on that as well. And
today the jury their reaction, I think they had a
laugh or two during Agnifilo's cross when he brought up
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the baby oil and the fact that Hsi has never
taken baby oil from a raid before. And then at
the end of his cross he kind of said, oh,
you're from LA to the special agent and he said yeah,
and then Agniholo said great, enjoy and joy New York,
and then everybody kind of.
Speaker 10 (32:58):
Had a laugh.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Okay, hold on, hold on on, doctor beth Ay Marshall,
you see me looking off cameras because.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
I had to make a flow chart.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
So Seawan Combs wants the sex worker to be, in
the words of Sidney Sumner and Tasta tails Well in doubt. Again,
this ain't a trust fund at Harvard University.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
That's not what we're talking about. Does this have anything
to do with that?
Speaker 8 (33:26):
Well, not only is Diddy the diddler on the down low,
but he is compensating for his small penis, and I
do think that he has I think I would say
in all seriousness, poly perverse meaning a perversion technically is
when somebody cannot achieve orgasm through a relationship with another person.
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They can only achieve orgasm through some fetishized experience like
looking at a penis, maybe a high heel, a whip,
a chain, something that just stimulates their fantasy, but it
has nothing to do with the person there in front
of And a common one is sadism. We talked about
this yesterday after the courtroom day wrapped. Is that is
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inflicting pain and cruelty and humiliation on another person in
order to achieve sexual arousal. But I think that this
fantasy is of being at the center of attention, the
king of the world, somebody who has great capabilities, and
maybe the fact is he's compensating for his small appendage.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
But one thing I don't get dot to Bethany Marshall,
it's like a fantasy on a fantasy and they're all weird.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Okay, so let me look at my float chart. It's
a role.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Play where Sean Combs is Michael Jordan, Okay, the paid
escort male escort has a shack attack he's Shack Shaquille O'Neil,
and Jane is Kobe. So it's a fantasy on top
of a fan fantasy.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
What is there a name for that?
Speaker 4 (35:03):
You know?
Speaker 8 (35:03):
Nancy I in my clinical practice, I often explore people's
sexual fantasies to try to get to the bottom of
what their character logical issues are. And this one would
take six months of psychoanalysis. Let me tell you. I mean,
I think there's this identification with these greats right, that
he wants to be like them. That's his rezondaetra in life.
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I think he wants to be penetrated by them, so
the idea that he's the recipient of a sex act.
But you know, you can't just call up Shack and
say can we Netflix and chill?
Speaker 7 (35:36):
Right?
Speaker 8 (35:36):
You can't do that, or can I take you out
for a drink?
Speaker 10 (35:39):
So what are you going to do?
Speaker 8 (35:40):
You're going to substitute some poor woman, You're sex trafficking
in your fantasy life for Shaquille O'Neil, or you're actually
she substitutes free from him.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
I've got to go to the pr guru on this,
Rob Sheeter joining us as naughty but Nice and you
can find him at Rob Sheeter's.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Daily news letter on a substack.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Rob Shooter Daily Newsletter on substack. Who knew about this
fascination with the NBA greats Now?
Speaker 1 (36:13):
I think I recall.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Seeing Comb's front line on the on the court at
professional basketball games with various women.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
But who knew he.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Wasn't watching the scoreboard, That's not what he was doing.
Speaker 7 (36:29):
I think people around him knew that he had a
fascination with powerful people. When I was working with him,
he had a very unusual, interesting fastination.
Speaker 10 (36:40):
What are you saying.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
What are you saying.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
We're not talking about Gandhi or the president, famous people,
famous people, private parts.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Why are you saying.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
He was obsessed with famous people, because from what I understand, this.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Is what he's interested in a set of these.
Speaker 7 (37:08):
Thought I don't know if I have thoughts about that,
but I do have thoughts about the great I don't know, Nancy,
I'm not I'm not the biggest sports fan in the world.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
I don't know quite where to say what to say
about this one here.
Speaker 7 (37:25):
I think Puffy is saying it or for us, But
I also think too, this witness is amazing, This Jane do.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
The ropes.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Puffy is a force. I don't even know what that means.
Puffy is a force.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Let's go back to your your safe place. What did
you mean he's obsessed with famous people?
Speaker 4 (37:45):
He was really obsessed with Prince Harry and William.
Speaker 7 (37:47):
When I worked with him, he had photographs of the
young princes they're about eighteen or nineteen years old. He
wanted that touch of royalty to come to his parties.
He would always ask me what was going on with them.
Puff also to love the weekly magazines. Most people think
the weekly magazines come out on a Friday.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
They don't. They come out on a Wednesday. In New York.
Speaker 7 (38:06):
Puff was the first person at the new stand or
he sent an assistant to go through the weekly magazines.
He would circle people that he wanted to be famous
around him. Ashton Kutcher was somebody that he had a
really unusual obsession with. And so Puff being obsessed with
people that are powerful, successful, I think that has gone
on a really long time.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
So Rob Shooter, you wouldn't touch a pair of these
with a ten foot pole, right. Well, I not talk
about it, but you hear the bizarre role play that
he insisted on with Jane and I got to tell
you something. There's a point in the courtroom where you
have to be confident enough in your case and in
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yourself to say no further questions because you're making it worse.
The defense is digging their own grave with their teeth,
talking and fucking and trying and trying to massage Jane's
testimony all day long across exam has backfired spectacularly.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
You're right, Nancy, No further questions. You've got me.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
I understand that Greg Morris is gnashing his teeth and
switching his tail.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
What's your problem?
Speaker 6 (39:16):
Well, it's interesting that you know, I've never heard of
sex traffic victims go to NOBU one night then go
on their own this No, listen, all the testimony that's
been given so far from Jane and Cassie's own mouth
is that they thought this was going to be.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
A path to whatever in their career.
Speaker 6 (39:37):
Maybe Cassie doesn't sing that well and she thought this
would work.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Have nice things.
Speaker 16 (39:42):
No, but you're conflating so many to a corner fraw, remember, Nancy, right,
you just don't like.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
That anything about the Pampromeos nothing, Okay.
Speaker 6 (39:59):
I heard after Marshall described was a domestic battery situation,
and that's.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
What this is. That's what I've been saying. This is
not it's not even closed.
Speaker 6 (40:09):
No, but you're watching different cases. You're just upset that
as usual, the right over the prostitution.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
You think of.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Something new to say, You already said that.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
We're watching different cases on her Sidney Summer.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Got a question for you. Let's get down to some
breast tacks here. Isn't it true that today during a
discussion regarding evidence amongst the lawyers, we find out about
two more recorded phone calls from King Combs, Seawan Combs himself.
He doesn't make Christina Korum do his dirty work. He
gets on the phone himself. What's the significance of that
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phone call with Jane?
Speaker 14 (40:48):
Well, Nancy, We heard one phone call after their twenty
twenty three trip to Turks and Caicos, where Jane says
that Colmbs sprung another hotel night on her and then
offense had a good point here. Jane had reached out
to an entertainer before they even left, intending to invite
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him on the trip, so they did make a good
point there. But we hear a phone call after that
where they're exchanging loving messages about how much fun they
had on this trip, and Sean Combs called Jane his
crack pipe. They don't know if that's supposed to be romantic,
but we heard that he had such a good time
with her, and that he's so addicted to being with
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her that he was going to call her his crack pipe.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Going forward, and now we remember an American hero, Detective
Sergeant Nicholas Pepper LaForce Pearis, Sheriff's Office, Louisiana. Detective Sergeant
Pepper struck and killed during pursuit after twenty four years
in law enforcement, leaving behind a grieving wife, Christy, and children,
(41:55):
patients Gracie and Nicholas. The second American hero, Detective Sergeant
Nicholas Pepper. Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Shawn Combs wants the sex worker to be well in doubt. Again,
this ain't a trust fund at Harvard University.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
They've got a lot of great evidence against Diddy, but
if they engage in prosecutorial.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Mission, if the engage.
Speaker 5 (00:26):
Enough to prove this showing the state's putting on too
much evidence, it's wrong.
Speaker 6 (00:30):
I heard doctor Marshall described was a domestic battery situation,
and that's.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
What this is. That's what I've been saying. This is
not sex traffic.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
I think people.
Speaker 7 (00:42):
Around him knew that he had an assassination with powerful.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Looking famous people private parts. Michael Jordan, Shaquille O'Neill. This
is what he's interested in.
Speaker 8 (00:58):
This fantasy is of being at the center of attention,
the king of the world, and maybe the fact is
he's compensating for his small appendage.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I
want to thank you for being with us. Straight out
to the courthouse standing by Tisa Tells, pop culture commentator
and star of Tisa Tales on YouTube, Tisa, thank you
for being with us.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Tell me, first of all, what happening court.
Speaker 9 (01:24):
Today, Nancy today, the court was a pure circus.
Speaker 10 (01:28):
Kanye West actually showed up and.
Speaker 9 (01:31):
Turned the court house into Pandemonio.
Speaker 10 (01:35):
By the way. We did speak to him. We were
not able to.
Speaker 9 (01:37):
Get exclusive, but he is expected to be in here
all next week, so Nancy, you know I'm going to
get the exclusive for you. Aside from that, Viddy was
called nodding again by the prosecution.
Speaker 10 (01:49):
The prosecution brought it up to the judge.
Speaker 9 (01:51):
Bryant still actually stood up and said he vouches his
personal integrity that he did not see Ditty nodding. The
only thing is I was one hundred percent looking at
Ditty and saw him turn around and looked to his supporters,
meaning his family in the back and nod vigorously.
Speaker 10 (02:08):
The prosecution wanted him to know.
Speaker 9 (02:10):
That's still a point of testimony. If you don't know,
now you know, and they want him to knock it off.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Taste of tales.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
How did the star witness of today hold up?
Speaker 10 (02:21):
Nancy, I got to tell you.
Speaker 9 (02:22):
The star witness of today was the assault rifle with
filed off serial numbers that had a magazine that.
Speaker 10 (02:30):
Held sixty rounds of green point ammal. What is that?
Speaker 9 (02:33):
Well, Homeland Security was kind enough to explain it is
a type of ammal that.
Speaker 10 (02:37):
Actually pierces bullet proof vest.
Speaker 9 (02:41):
That was the star witness, as much as Ditty's team
tried and tried it again to seem like it's just
casual and casual of the security to have this gun
around with no serial numbers. Listen, you cannot make green
point ammunition seem as it's just standard security protocol.
Speaker 10 (03:00):
Again, we were shocked.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
TSA.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
How was Sean Combs reacting to the testimony? Did he
do his usual kicking around, twirling around, putting his head
in his hands, or if it's really bad, squinting into
the monitor like it's not happening.
Speaker 9 (03:18):
Listen, you want to know how Sean did he calms
is reacting to testimony vigorously turning around and nodding ahead.
Speaker 10 (03:25):
Again, the prosecution.
Speaker 9 (03:27):
Let it be known that they have people on all
points of the courtroom looking at him. Again, I will
say one thing, did he sees an inch? He will
take a mile? Unfortunately, the prosecution let it be known
it ends today and the judge actually put a reminder.
Speaker 10 (03:44):
I believe now, did he is well?
Speaker 9 (03:46):
Notice there's nobody else he can not his head at
unless he looked at the ceiling of nads his head,
which I wouldn't put it past him. Again, Diddy's body
language was unspoken testimony. But I'm glad the prosecution shut
it down.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
And you know what, Rumshooter, you with all these years
as a PR expert, the jury can very likely smell
the stink of fear.
Speaker 10 (04:10):
You can.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Actually, it's like a presence in the courtroom. Once the
tide turns, suddenly the whole dynamic changes in the courtroom.
And I want to hear from your point of view, specifically,
how Sean Combs is responding to this turn in the tide.
Speaker 7 (04:28):
He'll be shocked, so at first he'll be in denial
about it. I've been in a lot of his shows
and some of them did not go very well, and
he used to say afterwards, I could feel the crowd.
I'm losing the crowd. That's what he must be feeling
right now. He is losing this jury.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
However, knowing Puffy like I do, he doesn't give in
without a fight.
Speaker 7 (04:49):
He's going to be screaming at his lawyers. He's going
to be screaming at his team. It's no coincidence that
suddenly his PR machine is outside the tie or trying
to influence people to say nice things. They know they
know they're in trouble, but they are not giving up
without a fight.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Did you hear Rob Shooter that ray J who I
got in a big knockdown here at Knockdown drag out
with the other day over. Sean Combs has now threatened
to leave the country because of the Didy trial. He
should want to stay in the country because of the
Diddy trial, because these women are being represented in court,
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They're being given a voice after years of abuse, But
he wants to leave the country.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Really him and Alec Baldwin Bye, I heard this story.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
I saw your conversation with him.
Speaker 7 (05:40):
I think it's about being a cology. Know, Nancy, I
do not have to sit down and get on your
show with you, as much as I enjoy talking to you, Nancy,
But I think people that worked with Didy, people that
maybe once defended Diddy, have to nice speak.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
You can't be quiet, you can't run away. That is
being complicit. You have to just speak out.
Speaker 7 (06:00):
There are a lot of people in New York around
the world who made a lot of money by being
around diggy editors of magazines, executives and Essay Norder, the
Fragrance Company executives at maces where they sold his clothing line.
Where are all those people now? I tried to come
and call a lot of them, and nobody's returning, my
cause they are all running away, maybe not leaving the country,
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but they're running away.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Running away from Seawn Combs. And also what's concerning for
instance here ray j is a great example. He seems
very likable. You know, a lot of people think he's
handsome and talented. If he is siding with Seawan Combs
after all this testimony, that's not good because it's a
test for who on the jury could be feeling the same.
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Wait back to Tisa Tels joining us outside the courthouse.
You've described one jurrr, a lady gurr who you've been
a little worried about up front, and then you went
to two other jurrrs I believe you said on the
back left.
Speaker 9 (07:00):
Yeah, so in the middle row on the left. Okay,
they're sharing a monitor.
Speaker 10 (07:05):
Again. I have to tell you how impactful this was.
The prosecution didn't just show one picture, two picture. It
was like again again and again. So it was rapid
fire and they.
Speaker 9 (07:15):
Were leaning in almost as if they were looking at
like gruesome carnage and leaning out. At one point she
looked to the side. The jury was visibly uncomfortable. They
were squirming. They literally had to look away, and the
prosecution didn't let up. Another picture, another picture, another picture,
and it was so impactful. Again, I'm not gonna lie.
(07:37):
At that time, I think mistrial. They started to get
the idea of throwing in another mistrial. The jury was repulsed,
but again that shocked the all, leaning.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
In like what is that?
Speaker 11 (07:49):
Oh my god, it was a lot.
Speaker 9 (07:52):
Again we wanted to see what was on those photos too,
But I see the point the prosecution was making, like
these are very graphic, disgusting, whatever it is, but it
bought it home on what a hotel night was a
dirty free call.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
So Jason, what about the male jurors Are they responding
the same way as the lady gerors?
Speaker 9 (08:12):
I gotta I gotta say it was a little bit
concerned about the male jervers, But when it comes to
the graphic nature and the pictures, they also were very,
very disgusted again leaning in, what is that, rubbing their
heads looking to the side, just being like are these
size of woof?
Speaker 10 (08:31):
Like it was a lot again, the.
Speaker 9 (08:34):
Prosecution through all of the smoke screens. You know, they
are moving forward now and again. When we heard testimony
about the ten thousand rent and whether you know she
was a girlfriend or not, it seemed like they might have.
Speaker 10 (08:49):
Been losing them. But the pictures it bought it home.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
You know, to Troy Slayton, trial lawyer out of LA
when a grown man looks away from a photo of
a sex scene with disgust, a man looks away, it's bad, yes,
But here's.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
What's well, Here's what really concerns me, Nancy, is that
the prosecutors shouldn't overplay their hand. They've got a lot
of great evidence against Ditty. But if they engage in
prosecutorial miss book, if the.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
Engagement doesn't have enough to prove this, putting on too
much evidence.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
It's wrong.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
But what they can't use is one witness to say
that Ditty is a liar again and again unless he testifies.
So the federal rules of evidence are very specific.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
All you've gotten to say select the defendant is a
man and looking.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Away from a photo of a naked woman.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
They're disgusted, they're nauseated, they're grossed out. And you're talking
what what? That's what I'm asking you. So you're trying
to make me talk about something else.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
If they have a great, wonderful playbook of all this evidence,
why don't they just stay to that. Why do they
try to overplay their hand by keeping to show these
text messages that say that Diddy is a liar because the.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Federal ruth is terrible when you have a royal flush.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
But the federal rules don't allow it.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Back to Tisa Tails joining us at the courthouse, Tisa
that apology video that Jane was there when comes brings
in the family advisors her, they talk to a lawyer
about doing the apology video. And it seems as if
Seawan Holmes was instructed not to use Cassie's name, And
(10:46):
I think I know why because it would be somewhat
of an admission. So tell me about Jane's testimony about
her helping construct that apology video that Shawn Combs disseminated
on Now.
Speaker 9 (11:00):
One of the most shocking things that came out about
in the courthouse was, as you know, the his apology
video was largely well received, not well received because people.
Speaker 10 (11:10):
Thought that it was.
Speaker 9 (11:11):
Disrespectful because he never said Cassie's name. We found out,
and it was super shocking by a Mark Agnofilio that
he was the one that said take Cassie's name out
of there because she may well be a grand jury witness.
And already they were forward thinking that they didn't want
to look like they were in any way tampering that.
Speaker 11 (11:30):
Now, what does that tell us?
Speaker 9 (11:32):
It tells us, and it told the courtroom largely he
knew how much trouble he was in, and he knew
Jane was one of the only people that can.
Speaker 11 (11:41):
Either testify right or put a nail in his caulfin.
Speaker 10 (11:45):
And that's why it was so shocking.
Speaker 9 (11:46):
That people, as her testimony went on, that you know,
this woman has your freedom in her hands, but its
nature couldn't be denied, and he proceeded to treat her.
Speaker 11 (11:56):
Even more cruelly, even more shocking.
Speaker 9 (11:59):
Again, it was very strategic having around, having her around
the family, having her lawyers, paying for her lawyers, making
sure sure that there was nothing that could she would
be under the umbrella of employee privilege, I'm sorry, non
employee of legal privilege. However, however, it looks like they
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somehow misplayed that.
Speaker 11 (12:20):
Because here we are again.
Speaker 9 (12:22):
In court and Jane is right now having Diddy's freedom
in her hands.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
I love the way that you explain that kind of
keeping her in the fold so she would use his
lawyer that he paid for so he could still keep
a tab on her. And she was very quick to
point out Tsa that she did not speak to investigators
before she testified at the grand jury, that she didn't.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Cooperate with them.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
She was only there because she was subpoened and forced
to be there, and that's after speaking to the lawyer.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Sean Shawn Comes provided for her.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Now, I want everybody to look at what Pa tells
us talking about the apology video.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Jane the witness was there when the family.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
And the lawyers are all trying to figure out what
are we gonna say in the way of the Cassie
beat down video.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
This is critical watch.
Speaker 12 (13:15):
It's so difficult to reflect on the darkest times in
your life.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Sometimes you gotta do that. I was fucked up.
Speaker 12 (13:27):
I mean I had rock bottom, but I made no excuses.
Speaker 10 (13:32):
My behavior on that video is inexcusable.
Speaker 12 (13:36):
I take full responsibility for my ashes in that video. Disgusted,
I was disgusted. Then when I did it, I'm disgusting.
Now I went and I sought our professional help. Now
to go into therapy, we're going to rehab. Had to
(13:59):
ask God is mercy and grace? I'm so sorry, but
I'm committed to be a better manage in every day.
I'm not asking for forgiveness. I'm truly sorry.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
I really don't even know what to say that. That's
from Didy's official instagram except technical legal terms BS therapy,
my rear end, rehab really and then asking God to
forgive him?
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Woa whoa woe?
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Tisa tells, isn't it true according to the witness who
is under oath and would be committing perjury if.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
She's lying that?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
After his apology video, he then goes on to beat
Jane so badly that in one case he broke down
the door and she has video of that and the
jury saw it. Now, this is when he's trying to
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be a better man again.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Objection, my rear end. That's a lie, be a better man?
Speaker 10 (15:20):
He beat her to helen back.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Is that when he's a better man tore down the
door again? Objection, my rare end.
Speaker 9 (15:28):
What happened in court when Jane Doe testified, we all
knew the violence was coming, but nobody knew what was
going to be a scene out of the shining to
hear that little bunny rabbit talk about. Yes, she threw
a glass, Yes she threw a candle, and then she
went on a chase through her house.
Speaker 11 (15:46):
She ran to the bedroom door, realizing quickly she made
a mistake.
Speaker 9 (15:50):
She locked the door. He kicked in the door again.
These are expensive, heavy doors. She even said it was
so much to.
Speaker 10 (15:58):
Fix she couldn't afford it.
Speaker 9 (16:00):
Which, by the way, he gave her the money to
fix these doors in cash in an unmarked brown paper bag.
Speaker 10 (16:06):
Which seems to be the Diddy Special. Let's see what
the irs has to say about this, you know.
Speaker 11 (16:11):
But he kicked in one door, right it was.
Speaker 10 (16:14):
She ran to the bathroom. He kicked in the door
to the bathroom.
Speaker 9 (16:19):
She ran to the closet hiding and Kit was trying
to kick in the door to the closet, kicked the handle,
kicked the door.
Speaker 10 (16:26):
She did what she could. She seriously changed into a
dress she could run in. He kicked that in.
Speaker 9 (16:31):
She ran out the house barefoot too, six blocks barefoot
in a dark southern California evening. You know how dark
it gets in and she hid for about two hours,
hoping that he would calm down and go away.
Speaker 10 (16:48):
At the end of two hours, she.
Speaker 9 (16:49):
Came back, still scared out of her mind and came
back and that demon was still waiting for her.
Speaker 11 (16:56):
And the violence she actually said he went through. It
broke our heartspit.
Speaker 9 (17:00):
It actually shocks and mind you why we're listening to
the violence that was to come. The apology video is
still fresh in our minds. Cassie is still set fresh
in our minds. When I say he painted him all
his own self out to be a liar, it was
shocking and groundbreaking.
Speaker 11 (17:18):
Just how damaging her testimony was to him.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Straight out to the courthouse, taste of tails.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
You know it's bad when Jimmy Kimmel gets a mouthful
of your rear.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
End right, he bent right.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Into Sean Combs talking about having his children attend the trial.
It's not the quote ideal take your family to work day.
It's the family still sitting in the courtroom, the children
hearing about three male sex workers entertaining him their father,
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Seawan Combs listen, but children are back.
Speaker 9 (17:55):
I will think justin Colmes has been mia. However, we
did see Christian Calms, we did see Quincy Calms, and
we show song didty Colm's mother in court listening to
the tawdry details looking stone face again, I've said it
all this time. We don't know if Diddy has pr
on the ground. If he does, they are doing a
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horrible job because the optics it has never played over
as well. Again, what are your sins doing? They're looking around,
They're passing notes back to each other. They're writing things down. Now,
to be fair, there's no talking in the courtroom, but
to gott to wonder what are on these notes they're
passing back and forth when they're hearing about daddy's little secret. Okay,
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it has been very tense. They look around, but they
are sitting there stoicly stone face.
Speaker 10 (18:46):
But it makes me wonder.
Speaker 9 (18:47):
Okay, as nice as those kids seem to be, and
daddy goes bye bye, it looks like federal forfeits are
also might be taking their trust funds. Because you gotta asks,
are you supporting your father for your bank account?
Speaker 10 (18:59):
Or true?
Speaker 9 (19:00):
Because this is a unanimous showing of love and support.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Tis to think back.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Work comes as children in the courtroom when we heard
testimony about the male sex workers showing up and Shawn
Combs comes striding and button naked from the neck down,
wearing a burger from the neck up.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Did they hear that too?
Speaker 10 (19:20):
Ugly enough? Every single time the Colmbs' children.
Speaker 9 (19:24):
Heard devastating, disgusting, perverse testimony about their father, Okay, the
next day they were mia.
Speaker 10 (19:32):
I don't know if it is because they needed.
Speaker 9 (19:33):
To go back to their happy place and wash that
visual out about the man that they love respect they's
supposed to guide them, or maybe they look at the
social media just like we do and see that the
public things is actually weird that a family we once
thought were the most loving, close family literally will sit
there and look the other way when they hear about
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horrible abuse and depravity with women that they largely knew.
For Let's think about Cassie, she was with Dinny four
ten years. Let's look at Jane Do she was there
for Dinny for four years. These are women that they
should know and have some type of some type of
connection with.
Speaker 10 (20:10):
Again, very very odd.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
So Greg Morse joining me, veteran Troyal lawyer, criminal defense attorney,
joining us out of the Palm Beachs Jurisdiction, author of
Untested on Amazon at morselegal dot com. So you're still
saying it's just a tiff between boyfriend and girlfriend.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
Well, it's the James testimony. If I didn't know who
called her, I would think the defense called her. Her
testimony wasn't supportive of sex trafficking. It was supportive of battery.
Maybe aggrevated section.
Speaker 10 (20:41):
Here, thanks sre Well.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
I know it's not people that the day.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
Before Sean Combs is arrested, they go and have a
hotel night with them. They want to rub their feet
in afterwards. These are women that made bad choices to
with the sex stuff, but none of their testimony says
that the violence was to force them into She only
got angry when she thought Seawn Comes was actually sleeping
with another person. She still had her rent paid. That
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was her main concern when the employment separated. She testified
to that. So, while Seawn Combs is a horrible, weak
human being and disgusting, the prosecution charged this as sex trafficking,
and the defense has to be very happy with what
would have been much worse testimony that Jane gave them
the things they said in opening that this was an
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angry person. This was someone maybe you wouldn't do these
type of sex acts and these type of partying, but
these women.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Intentionally did it.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
They only got angry after the fact, and that's what.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
We're seeing here.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
And as far as the sex trafficking case, unfortunately, these
aren't victims of sex trafficking. Real victims of sex trafficking
don't rub their captor's feet unless they're forced too. They
don't get their rent paid when they don't live with
the person. That's just not how it goes. So he's
a horrible human. But the defense got some good stuff
to work with in Jane's testimony and the mistrial. It's
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probably because Sean looked at the juror and the prosecution
got excited and tried to.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Make a big deal of it. So you know, these
things happening.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
The mistaw motion was by the defense. I believe it's
the third one they've made, the third one the men
shot down.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
So doctor Bethany Marshall, when a woman.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Is beaten and beaten and beaten and dragged and hiding
in the bushes and riding, I am not an animal.
I don't want to be locked in a room and
forced to perform sex tricks while you watch. That is
not consensual sex.
Speaker 8 (22:39):
Well, Nancy, she's saying no. No means no. Even adolescents
know that. Now in our society, she is saying no,
and he kicks down four doors. And let me tell
you something, Nancy, when a person is enraged or having
a rage attack, it takes only twenty minutes for the
admigned delight to call back down again. In other words,
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he could have controlled himself. He could have walked out
that door, walked around the block, taken a pause, taken
a beat, but he enjoyed beating her. This was a
sadistic beat down, which tells me that he was in
full control of her. I doubt she could have gotten
away even though she was trying. He beat her within
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an inch of her life and let her live so
he could sex traffic her even more if these allegations
are true. So we keep talking about how women don't
get away from men like this. This is the tale,
this unfolding right now. If anyone has any doubt about
women staying with men who abuse them or sex traffic them,
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just listen to the story and ask yourself if Jane
could have left, or if she was afraid for her life.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Kimmel and I quote.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
If that wasn't bad enough, Diddy's mother was there to
hear this. Report say when she entered the courtroom, he
checked in and asked if she had ate any thing.
She said she did. Kimmel says, get ready to throw up.
Take a listen to Jimmy Kimmel.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Let's hear it from the horse's mouth.
Speaker 13 (24:09):
If that wasn't bad enough, Diddy's mother was there to
hear this. Reports say that when she entered the courtroom,
he checked in, he asked her if she eaten anything.
She said, I did eat and then he told her
get ready to throw off because.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Tasa Hills is Shawnkamm's family still filming a documentary of this.
This is going to become his legacy, his sex trafficking trial.
Speaker 9 (24:33):
Yes, Nancy, I know everybody has heard the rumors that
look like they've been confirmed that Shaun Colton's family is
actually filling a documentary on this. Again, one could argue
this legacy is going to be a sex trafficking file.
Speaker 10 (24:48):
I think the documentary should be followed.
Speaker 9 (24:50):
Daddy's money is about to dry up due to federal
forfeiture and we need other ways. Again, you gotta wonder
are they really just living in La la land and
drinking whatever did he is serving again?
Speaker 10 (25:04):
Did he like spike drinks?
Speaker 9 (25:05):
It makes me think where they're putting it in the
kid's milk, because how can they think, after what the
prosecution has done, that their father is going to get off.
It's actually takesperience that they are documenting probably the last
time they will ever see their father when he is
not behind bars. I hope they're holding on to this
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time in the courtroom. And sadly enough, it looks like
that documentary is going to capture every last sad moment.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
The defense trying their best to skewer a witness on
the stand, a former girlfriend of Shan Comes only known
as Jane too Tisa Tale standing by at the courthouse
store of Tisa Tales on YouTube, Tisa did they crack her?
Speaker 1 (25:52):
And wait, Tisa, have you ever seen, for instance.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
A horror movie or one of those satanic movies where
they throw holy water on the possessed person or the
demon and they ooh and it burns them. That's what
Jane is to ditty, That's what's happening she's the holy
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water being thrown on ditty, right, and he's cringing and
they are trying to stab her through the heart with
a wooden steak. That's what's happening.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
All day long. They went at it. Did it work?
Did they crack her?
Speaker 9 (26:33):
Judging from the sentiment in the courtroom, it does not
look like she they cracked her. She stayed strong and
this is the best they could do. When she's in
the early years of the relationship. She hasn't gotten to
the part where he literally ripped his mask off. You know,
they didn't crack her because what they were claiming is ridiculous.
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One hundred and fifty thousand over three years. You can
make fifty thousand a year. I believe working a little
bit of overtime. Again, it is it's always a choose
your own adventure. But it's lafable to believe. And Jane
did a good job of driving it home, like she said,
and it literally after that, we went immediately to a
break where she said, well, how much is my body worth?
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Did He's team was taken aback and flat footed, because
what do you say to something like that, Because to
give a number it proves everything.
Speaker 10 (27:23):
We think about Diddy, But again it was a powerful moment.
Speaker 9 (27:26):
And Jane the little bunny rabbit, she is sharpening her
shake and she is in there fending off.
Speaker 11 (27:32):
So I definitely think she did agreed.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Okay to send me some of our crime stories. Investigative reporter.
Do I understand this correctly? That Shawn comes aka Diddy fetishized.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Shaquille O'Neil. Okay, have you ever met him?
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Hay's as tall as a door, right, I would not
mess with him. I wonder how he feels finding out
he's been fetishized by Shawn Combs.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Okay, that's neither here nor there. Plus Michael Jordan and
Kobe what Well.
Speaker 14 (28:06):
That aligns with previous testimony that we've heard that Seawan
kOhm specifically wanted to see entertainers Genitalia before they were
invited for a freak off because he wanted it to
be as big as possible and not plays into this
Sadism's doctor Marshall.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Us may whoa what?
Speaker 2 (28:26):
What?
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Please call me? What did you say?
Speaker 14 (28:30):
Tisa tell told us this a few days ago?
Speaker 2 (28:32):
What did you say about Shaq's Genitalia?
Speaker 14 (28:35):
I would have to assume that Shaq being the person
that he is is a very large person in every aspect. Nancy.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Okay, see here, Sydney, we talked about murder, serial murder, rape, arson,
childless station, drug lords. I don't have time for euphemisms.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Yesterday you, Tisa Tales, kept talking to me about how
Seawn Comes, one of the sex workers, would be quote
well endowed. Okay, you're making it sound like, as I said,
a trust fund at Harvard University, when you're actually talking
about the physicality and I'm trying to put it delicately
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so we don't get thrown off the air of the
sex workers. Is that correct? That's a yes, no, Tisa Tales.
Speaker 9 (29:28):
Yes, yes, and listen, just a yes, just a yes.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Okay, Sidney Sumner, don't put perfume on the pig.
Speaker 14 (29:40):
Tell it well, Nancy. It appears that Sean Combs wanted
an entertainer that could make up for his good feel
So we know that Seawan Colms, according to the civil lawsuit,
is not well endowed, so we think that he hired
entertainers that were much more so. And this could either
just be a personal insecurity or maybe it is this
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sadism idea that doctor Bethidy Marshall has brought up several
times that he wanted the women who participated in these
hotel nights to feel some level of pain every single
time that they participated, and I wanted to restond Eric.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Yeah, go ahead, because I want to hear that.
Speaker 14 (30:25):
So Sata said that the defense made it seeing that
Colmes ended these hotel nights early as Jane expressed being uncomfortable.
But she pushed back on that idea and said, no, no, no,
that was not out of sympathy for me. That was
not for my protection. That was because Sean Combs didn't
want to waste time on a bad hotel night when
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it was clear I didn't have chemistry with this entertainer.
And that's why Jane says that she had a hand
in hiring entertainers, because there were certain people that she
at least knew and was comfortable with and wasn't so
freaked out by the fact that she was having sex
with a sex worker without a condom or a very
sweaty man, as Titha told us, so, the only reason
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she had a hand in setting these up was to
protect herself, and Shawn Combs never canceled anything for her comfort.
It was because he didn't want to waste his time
and money on a bad hotel.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Night Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Now joining us from
the Monahan Federal Courthouse is Lauren Khnlin, starov Pop Crime
TV on YouTube. Investigative reporter Lauren Colin. Thank you for
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being with us. What's your takeaway of what happened in
court today?
Speaker 15 (31:49):
Maureen Comy made another comment to the judge that she
saw Diddy nodding again, not at the jury, but he
was nodding during cross examination, and at this point Brian
stealed up and said, your honor, my client has been
nothing but professional and mis call me.
Speaker 10 (32:05):
She can't see him.
Speaker 11 (32:06):
She's relying on.
Speaker 10 (32:07):
The word of others.
Speaker 15 (32:08):
And the judge said, look, there's gonna be a significant
number of reactions in the courtroom. I can't police all
of them. However, I am facing mister Holmes. You know,
I haven't seen him look at the jury, and I
will continue to watch this and look, does did he nod?
Speaker 10 (32:22):
Yes?
Speaker 15 (32:23):
He nods, But I think at this point, since he
was admonished the other day, he would be very silly
to go and look at the jury again and continue nodding.
So we'll keep an eye on that as well. And
today the jury their reaction, I think they had a
laugh or two during Agnifilo's cross when he brought up
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the baby oil and the fact that Hsi has never
taken baby oil from a raid before. And then at
the end of his cross he kind of said, oh,
you're from LA to the special agent and he said yeah,
and then Agniholo said great, enjoy and joy New York,
and then everybody kind of.
Speaker 10 (32:58):
Had a laugh.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Okay, hold on, hold on on, doctor beth Ay Marshall,
you see me looking off cameras because.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
I had to make a flow chart.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
So Seawan Combs wants the sex worker to be, in
the words of Sidney Sumner and Tasta tails Well in doubt. Again,
this ain't a trust fund at Harvard University.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
That's not what we're talking about. Does this have anything
to do with that?
Speaker 8 (33:26):
Well, not only is Diddy the diddler on the down low,
but he is compensating for his small penis, and I
do think that he has I think I would say
in all seriousness, poly perverse meaning a perversion technically is
when somebody cannot achieve orgasm through a relationship with another person.
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They can only achieve orgasm through some fetishized experience like
looking at a penis, maybe a high heel, a whip,
a chain, something that just stimulates their fantasy, but it
has nothing to do with the person there in front
of And a common one is sadism. We talked about
this yesterday after the courtroom day wrapped. Is that is
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inflicting pain and cruelty and humiliation on another person in
order to achieve sexual arousal. But I think that this
fantasy is of being at the center of attention, the
king of the world, somebody who has great capabilities, and
maybe the fact is he's compensating for his small appendage.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
But one thing I don't get dot to Bethany Marshall,
it's like a fantasy on a fantasy and they're all weird.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Okay, so let me look at my float chart. It's
a role.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Play where Sean Combs is Michael Jordan, Okay, the paid
escort male escort has a shack attack he's Shack Shaquille O'Neil,
and Jane is Kobe. So it's a fantasy on top
of a fan fantasy.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
What is there a name for that?
Speaker 4 (35:03):
You know?
Speaker 8 (35:03):
Nancy I in my clinical practice, I often explore people's
sexual fantasies to try to get to the bottom of
what their character logical issues are. And this one would
take six months of psychoanalysis. Let me tell you. I mean,
I think there's this identification with these greats right, that
he wants to be like them. That's his rezondaetra in life.
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I think he wants to be penetrated by them, so
the idea that he's the recipient of a sex act.
But you know, you can't just call up Shack and
say can we Netflix and chill?
Speaker 7 (35:36):
Right?
Speaker 8 (35:36):
You can't do that, or can I take you out
for a drink?
Speaker 10 (35:39):
So what are you going to do?
Speaker 8 (35:40):
You're going to substitute some poor woman, You're sex trafficking
in your fantasy life for Shaquille O'Neil, or you're actually
she substitutes free from him.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
I've got to go to the pr guru on this,
Rob Sheeter joining us as naughty but Nice and you
can find him at Rob Sheeter's.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Daily news letter on a substack.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Rob Shooter Daily Newsletter on substack. Who knew about this
fascination with the NBA greats Now?
Speaker 1 (36:13):
I think I recall.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Seeing Comb's front line on the on the court at
professional basketball games with various women.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
But who knew he.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Wasn't watching the scoreboard, That's not what he was doing.
Speaker 7 (36:29):
I think people around him knew that he had a
fascination with powerful people. When I was working with him,
he had a very unusual, interesting fastination.
Speaker 10 (36:40):
What are you saying.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
What are you saying.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
We're not talking about Gandhi or the president, famous people,
famous people, private parts.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Why are you saying.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
He was obsessed with famous people, because from what I understand, this.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Is what he's interested in a set of these.
Speaker 7 (37:08):
Thought I don't know if I have thoughts about that,
but I do have thoughts about the great I don't know, Nancy,
I'm not I'm not the biggest sports fan in the world.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
I don't know quite where to say what to say
about this one here.
Speaker 7 (37:25):
I think Puffy is saying it or for us, But
I also think too, this witness is amazing, This Jane do.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
The ropes.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Puffy is a force. I don't even know what that means.
Puffy is a force.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Let's go back to your your safe place. What did
you mean he's obsessed with famous people?
Speaker 4 (37:45):
He was really obsessed with Prince Harry and William.
Speaker 7 (37:47):
When I worked with him, he had photographs of the
young princes they're about eighteen or nineteen years old. He
wanted that touch of royalty to come to his parties.
He would always ask me what was going on with them.
Puff also to love the weekly magazines. Most people think
the weekly magazines come out on a Friday.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
They don't. They come out on a Wednesday. In New York.
Speaker 7 (38:06):
Puff was the first person at the new stand or
he sent an assistant to go through the weekly magazines.
He would circle people that he wanted to be famous
around him. Ashton Kutcher was somebody that he had a
really unusual obsession with. And so Puff being obsessed with
people that are powerful, successful, I think that has gone
on a really long time.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
So Rob Shooter, you wouldn't touch a pair of these
with a ten foot pole, right. Well, I not talk
about it, but you hear the bizarre role play that
he insisted on with Jane and I got to tell
you something. There's a point in the courtroom where you
have to be confident enough in your case and in
(38:47):
yourself to say no further questions because you're making it worse.
The defense is digging their own grave with their teeth,
talking and fucking and trying and trying to massage Jane's
testimony all day long across exam has backfired spectacularly.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
You're right, Nancy, No further questions. You've got me.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
I understand that Greg Morris is gnashing his teeth and
switching his tail.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
What's your problem?
Speaker 6 (39:16):
Well, it's interesting that you know, I've never heard of
sex traffic victims go to NOBU one night then go
on their own this No, listen, all the testimony that's
been given so far from Jane and Cassie's own mouth
is that they thought this was going to be.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
A path to whatever in their career.
Speaker 6 (39:37):
Maybe Cassie doesn't sing that well and she thought this
would work.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Have nice things.
Speaker 16 (39:42):
No, but you're conflating so many to a corner fraw, remember, Nancy, right,
you just don't like.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
That anything about the Pampromeos nothing, Okay.
Speaker 6 (39:59):
I heard after Marshall described was a domestic battery situation,
and that's.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
What this is. That's what I've been saying. This is
not it's not even closed.
Speaker 6 (40:09):
No, but you're watching different cases. You're just upset that
as usual, the right over the prostitution.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
You think of.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Something new to say, You already said that.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
We're watching different cases on her Sidney Summer.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Got a question for you. Let's get down to some
breast tacks here. Isn't it true that today during a
discussion regarding evidence amongst the lawyers, we find out about
two more recorded phone calls from King Combs, Seawan Combs himself.
He doesn't make Christina Korum do his dirty work. He
gets on the phone himself. What's the significance of that
(40:46):
phone call with Jane?
Speaker 14 (40:48):
Well, Nancy, We heard one phone call after their twenty
twenty three trip to Turks and Caicos, where Jane says
that Colmbs sprung another hotel night on her and then
offense had a good point here. Jane had reached out
to an entertainer before they even left, intending to invite
(41:08):
him on the trip, so they did make a good
point there. But we hear a phone call after that
where they're exchanging loving messages about how much fun they
had on this trip, and Sean Combs called Jane his
crack pipe. They don't know if that's supposed to be romantic,
but we heard that he had such a good time
with her, and that he's so addicted to being with
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her that he was going to call her his crack pipe.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Going forward, and now we remember an American hero, Detective
Sergeant Nicholas Pepper LaForce Pearis, Sheriff's Office, Louisiana. Detective Sergeant
Pepper struck and killed during pursuit after twenty four years
in law enforcement, leaving behind a grieving wife, Christy, and children,
(41:55):
patients Gracie and Nicholas. The second American hero, Detective Sergeant
Nicholas Pepper. Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend
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Nancy Grace
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