June 17, 2025 • 42 mins
Jurors in Sean "Diddy" Combs sex trafficking trial were shown three "freak off" sex tapes given to the state by Cassie Ventura. Combs mother, sister, and three sons were in the courtroom listening to his ex talk about these orgies. Jurors cringed and some turned their heads. The galley was unable to view the video. Jurors watched on small monitors with headphones.
In other testimony, a paralegal specialist with the US Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York, Ananya Sankar, said she reviewed the accuracy of the government charts that summarize exhibits. The charts show the jury text messages and other information that haven't been discussed in testimony, but were submitted into evidence.
Among the evidence, texts between Combs staff planning "hotel nights," Diddy and Cassie, with Khorram and other staff discussing getting $4,000 cash to the hotel. Khorram tells assistant, Dave Shirley, “Heads up, he’s probably about to do wild king tonight.” Shirley responds, "...need to reup on baby oil". The jury also sees a text from Khorram to Cassie, "Hi, Dave is at your door with the green".
Prosecutors say they expect to rest their case as early as tomorrow, Wednesday.
Joining Nancy Grace today,
- Greg Morse - Criminal Defense Attorney of Morse Legal, author of “The Untested” found on Amazon; website: morselegal.com
- Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst, Author: "Deal Breaker: When to work on a relationship and when to walk away” Also featured in hit show: "Paris in Love" on Peacock, www.drbethanymarshall.com , Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, Twitter: @DrBethanyLive
- Brian Fitzgibbons - Director of Operations for USPA Nationwide Security, Leads a team of investigators specializing in locating missing persons, website: www.uspasecurity.com, Instagram: @uspa_nationwide_security, former Marine and Iraq war veteran
- Lynn Shaw - Founder and Executive Director of Lynn's Warriors - an organization committed to ending human trafficking and sexual exploitation, Host of Lynn's Warriors on YouTube, website: lynnswarrior.org, X: @lynns_warriors, YouTube: @LynnsWarriors
- Tisa Tells - Pop Culture Investigator & Commentator and Host of 'Tisa Tells' on Youtube, YouTube: @TisaTells, Instagram & TikTok: @TisaTellss, Facebook: Tisa.Tells.3
- Sydney Sumner - CRIME STORIES Investigative Reporter
- Lauren Conlin - Podcaster/Reporter/Host- Co-Host of "PopCrimeTV" on YouTube, Website: www.popcrime.tv and primetimecrimeshow.com, X-p @Conlin_Lauren, Instagram: @LaurenEmilyConlin, YouTube: @PopCrimeTV
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Did he steaks Exhibit triple X and Mary Freeko of Christmas?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Everybody?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
This as we learned Seawan Comb's texts about his crimes
and code words. But don't worry, there's no need to
call him the code breakers at Bletchley Park. I think
I figured it out comes. I'm Nancy Grace. This is
Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us. Draggings, druggings.
He beat her to hell and back, marathon sex sessions,
(00:37):
tore down the door, He smacks her in the.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Face, inflicting pain and cruelty.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
A scene out of the shining.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Nothing more than an animal.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
We are live outside the Manahaan Federal Courthouse standing by
is Tisa tells investigator and commentator star Off Tisa Tales
on YouTube. Tisa, You've got to explain how the jury
reacted when they got to see States Exhibit triple X,
the freak coffdeos.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
The jurors reaction was the same as the gallery's reaction.
When I say they were disgusted. One juror had to
look away. Now, mind you, we heard.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Faint moments, fate murmurings.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Okay, and that and again they turned off all audio
to the gallery. So the fact that it was that loud.
But when you see the jurors, they were some of
them were leaned in. One had to turn their head
away in disgust. They were up, they were attentive, they
were taking notes, and they were puzzled by what they
were seeing. I would actually choose the word disgusted. It
(01:45):
was a really, really weird moment. But you know what,
it had to be done.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
You know, I'm very curious, you said.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Some of the jurors looked discussed as some of them
turned away.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I understand that.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Some of them winced that one jarar was looking through
their hands.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
I want to find out.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Were they male Gurrs or female Gurrars that had this reaction.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Well that's the funny thing.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
The people, Okay, so I'll just break it down, right,
But the female jurors actually looked away in disgust.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Not all, but some looked away in discuss.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
The males, interesting enough, were leaning forward, wincing, going back,
rubbing their heads it whatever they were seeing on those screens.
Because we were not privy, it was shaking everyone. And
again the men had to WinCE and look away. It
was quite a safe to see.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
So even though the gurrrs had, you know, a secret
screen to look at, and they had on earphones, you
could still hear the moaning and the groaning from the video.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
In Moel in the audience.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
Yes, now that was a surprising thing. Clearly there was
something being played that there were no headphones. But in
the well inside the courtroom, we were actually in the courtroom,
you could hear.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Faint moaning, faint talking, faint mumbling. Now when you heard that.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
Just very faintly, combined to when the jurors were leaning
in looking away, wincing, it created just a disgusting scene,
super disgusting. Oddly enough, the person that didn't have headphones
and didn't have privy to it was Sean Colms, And
oddly enough he's the one that later on requested that
he have access to watch the freak golf tapes in
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the back.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
So what was his response? What was I mean? What
can you do? The jury is watching.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
You butt naked, or maybe he had a burka on,
or maybe hearing him directing everybody else about what they
should be doing, and.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
They're all looking over at him. What can he do?
What did he do?
Speaker 4 (03:57):
I'll tell you what he did. He actually looked like
he was a little bit proud. It was odd he
got a little step in that he started moving around.
I thought he would be shamed in a polder at.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
Least sit there and try to look like a puppy dog,
even though he probably looked like a rabbit rottweiler. Instead,
he got this confidence to us actions.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Nancy, I gotta tell you, I was there. I saw him.
It seemed like he was proud of what the jurors saw.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
And I literally sat there and said, he hasn't learned
a thing, and if somehow he pulls out a not
guilty verdict, he is going to be hell on wills again.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
It was pride in his movements, not a look ashamed.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Okay, I don't like when you say if he's found
not guilty, he's going to be hell on wheels because I'm.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Totally getting my car car bombed. Okay, I like kid Kenny. Yeah,
there's no coming.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Back from the adddddy and theddty wand I've gotten them
all here.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah, he's going to come after me.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
So I've got the juror reactions, I've got Sean Cohn's reactions.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
What about his legal team.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
This is when for those of you just joining US States,
exhibit Triple X, the freak off Hotel Night, King Night.
There's so many ephemissions for this. Most of us call
it sex trafficking caught on video. But what was the
defense team doing during it? Like taking notes furiously not
(05:21):
looking up, saying over and over, this isn't happening, This
isn't happening.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
This is not why I went to law school.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
So the defense team, listen, they had their game faces on.
Most of them were staring just straight.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
They were trying.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
They had their poker faces on. If anything, they looked
like they were like, this isn't happening, this isn't happening.
Interestingly enough, Brian still was kind of leaned into Diddy.
Now they were not talking, but it was kind of
leaned into their Probably wanted to tell him when you
stopped acting, so gushdarn proud and just sit there or
look at the ground. But like you said, I know
(05:56):
you don't like to hear about the not guilty. I
do not think that the jury even has the evidence
to even pull out a not guilty verdict. But we
did hear that he is manifesting, and he's probably doing
blood ritual sacrifices on the rats and roaches in his
jail cell. So who knows we will see a manifestation
is real because I am sure he's doing everything he
can to manifest him not guilty.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Okay, you know what you just said, Tisa Tales and
Sydney Summer. You can back me up on this, Tisa
tilS at the get go when you said he's doing
voodoo rituals Santa Ria on the rats and roaches in
his jail cell, there is actually evidence that before this
trial started, when everything was starting to go down, he.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Did a voodoo ritual. I think it was in Central Park.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I'm going to go back to Sidney Sumner on that,
and a bird was involved.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
You know what.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
It's going to take more than voodoo rituals to pull
this one out of his you know where.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Okay. So I understand what Brian Steel was doing. I
know him, not.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Socially but through practicing. He's a defense attorney. When I
was prosecuting, he's a great lawyer.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Now I know that he and every member of this
defense team has stilled themselves pardon the pun against the
free cough videos. Okay, I know they've seen it. Still
may look affable friendly, and he is. He is genuinely
affable and friendly, but he's a hard as nails trial lawyer,
(07:26):
so I know he's watched all of these videos to
be prepared not to react in court.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
That's really hard to do.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I've had to do it a million times when a
witness would go sideways or something really bad would happen
for the state in the court, you have to act
like nothing happened. You cannot show any emotion. But still
watching all of that, you know he's a teetotaler, brings
his own chicken sandwich every day that he makes at home,
drinks nothing but.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Water, that whole thing.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
So this must have been a shock to the census
for Steel. Okay, what about the state, How did they react?
I hope they showed no emotion at all.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
The state did what they needed to do. They showed
absolutely no reaction at all. They stayed stared forward and
stealing silence, and they really gave the the feeling of
this is what it is, and you guys are going
to have to look at the debauchery that this man
was proud of.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Again, it was a very sobering time.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
You have the state looking forward sober, You have the
jury like just disgusted.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Looking forward, looking away, flinching.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
You have everybody pretty much acting like you said they
should be acting or expected, and then you have Diddy
in the middle of it, like a rooster proud of
what he's done.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
That man has not learned a thing.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Okay, now that you said rooster.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Just in case you think I'm fabricating his whole voodoo ritual.
You started this testales not me. You said it straight
to Sidney Sumner. Wasn't it something to do with the
the j Loo shooting although Jennifer Lopez did not pull
the trig or she.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Just happened to be there.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Didn't that voodoo bird ritual have something? Right before his
nightclub shooting trial?
Speaker 1 (09:13):
What happened, Sidney Nancy?
Speaker 6 (09:15):
It was actually the day the verdict of that trial
was red, so Colms was accused of having a gun illegally.
He was put on trial. Scrapper Shine Barrow claims he's
the guy who took the fall for this, but it
really was Diddy behind the trigger and Colms apparently went
to Central Park with some kind of religious man who
(09:38):
was holding a bible burning stage and asked Combs to
release a white dove from a cage and Didty's former bodyguard,
Jeane Deal, claims that when did, he pulled the berg
from the cage and threw it into the air. It
didn't fly, it was dead, and later that day he
(09:59):
was a of all charges.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Okay, so the poor bird sacrificed its life in exchange
for not guilty. Okay, Sidney, thank you for that legal update. Okay,
back to TASA Tales outside the Monahan Federal Courthouse, Guys,
Shawn Combs on trial in a multi count federal in
dietment including charges of sex trafficking and Rico organized crime.
TASA Tales. I understand three videos were played by the prosecution.
(10:26):
Three of those were provided by Cassie Ventira, and then
there was one that I believe starred the Punisher.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Yes, yes, now we were not privy to who starred
in what.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
But earlier the prosecution did actually say that there was
actually I think seven to nine videos that they actually recovered.
Three of them they.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
Would actually show in court, and one of them was
supposed to feature the Punisher, which is why he was
one of the men to actually testify.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Now, you stated that during all of this, Brian still
kind of leaned over toward Shawn Comes even though they
were not talking.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Is that correct?
Speaker 4 (11:05):
That is correct?
Speaker 5 (11:06):
He did the lawyer lean over in almost like he
wanted to get his ear.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Okay, straight out to Greg Morse joining me Veteran try
a lawyer, criminal defense attorney at Morse Legal, author of
the untested on Amazon, he is joining us out of
the Palm Bates jurisdiction. Morse, when the jury is wincing
and hiding behind their hands watching videos of your client,
(11:33):
there's really nowhere to hide.
Speaker 7 (11:34):
Well, there's I mean, it's not unexpected. The defense was
probably on some level board because they knew this was
coming in. But it's just like autopsy photos, it's your
control room.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
I think there's something wrong with my ifbabe, because I'm
pretty sure I heard Greg moorese state that while watching
a forced orgy where women are wincing and hiding their eyes,
that Moore said it was probably boring.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
So there, obviously I'm not hearing correctly. Could that was
you said again or you.
Speaker 7 (12:07):
Added the word force? So let's talk about the evidence
in the game. They watched it, they watched a video.
All of the videos are introduced so the jury when
they're deliberating, can watch them all. The defense was ready
for this. They knew this was coming in. There's nothing
they can do about it. It's a video. Their argument
is this is consensual, and you mentioned the punisher in
one of the videos, you better believe. In closing, the
(12:30):
defense is going to go back to the punisher's testimony
about how consensual this was with Cassie and how their
relationship was fine and nothing forced. So listen, you're asking
regular people to watch some pretty aggressive amateur porn that's
always shocking, and you know they are going to WinCE
and turn away, just like they would if they were
(12:50):
watching something like that at home. Not an a criminal case,
but it doesn't mean he's going to be found guilty
of the sex trafficking. It doesn't mean it was the force, fraud,
or coercion, It doesn't mean any of those things. They
knew this was coming in, and you know it is
what it is and did he probably wanted to watch
it afterwards because the man's in jail. He doesn't see
naked women very much.
Speaker 6 (13:11):
Miss Mike.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yes, Greg Morris, did you grow up having your mom
or dad read you the Acep's fables. I guess it's
that one where there's the three monkeys sitting there and
one says he sees no evil, the other here's no evil.
Other speaks no evil. Okay, because I think you have
that syndrome, and I think it's pretty serious. Sidney Sumner,
(13:35):
speaking of the punisher, suggesting or proving that nothing was forced.
Which one of the sex workers testified that during a
free cough, Shawn Holmes directed Cassie Ventira into.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
The other room, the other bedroom there's always a suite.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
At the very least, and he could hear a beating
going down over her performance in the free cough. She
came flying out of that room where she was being
beaten and jumped in the sex worker's lap for protection.
Now did I make that up or was that part
of the testimony, Nancy?
Speaker 6 (14:13):
That was actually the very first escort that we heard
from Daniel Phillip, and he testified that Cassy was clearly
afraid of Sean Combs, and he wasn't sure the exact
detail of how much control Combs had over Cassy, but
he said it was definitely evident in their interactions.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
So during a freak cough the as Greg Moore says,
consensual orgy, Combs makes Cassie leave the room, goes in
another room.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
And beats her.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
I guess she wasn't just just wasn't into it enough.
And then she goes back in and again, Sydney, what
happened when she went back into the free cough.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
Philip testified that he could hear the sound of Combe's
hitting Cathy. So didn't see what happened, but she could
hear the sound of hands hitting flesh, and he knew
that Cathy was being physically assaulted in that room.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
You know what, Sidney, Summer, there's so many beatings and
so many sex workers, it really is hard to keep
it all straight.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
I just happened to have notes here. You're right.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
The person's name is Daniel Phillip, a male stripper who
took the stand. I believe he was on Cross on
May twelve, according to my notes, and he witnessed Cassie Ventura.
He heard Comb's yelling at her, there was physical abuse.
(15:43):
She ran out of the room. Comb stalked out in
a towel, and Cassie quote jumped into my lap, shaking,
and I asked her, why is why is she doing this?
Why is she staying with a guy hitting her her
and beating her like this? So the sex workers that
(16:08):
Morse refers to as being part of a willing and
consensual orgy, and he just just rolls.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Off his tongue like that's normal.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
But that said, she came and jumped in a stripper's
lap after a beating to go back into the freak coff.
You call that consensual norse.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
It sounds well.
Speaker 7 (16:32):
Again, the prosecution's going to focus on that one instance
and link it to that video of that horrible abuse
that Cassie Ventor suffered in that hotel. However, the defense
is going to talk about the testimony all the other
hotel nights and freak offs. And remember, when the jury
gets charged with the jury instructions, one of the things
they'll be told is reasonable doubt comes from a conflict
(16:55):
in the evidence.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Hotel nights would last up to thirty hours.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
There weren't just like bam bam bam, thank you, ma'am,
positions held for three four hours.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Ouch.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
I'd want to go see the chiropractor, a cracked out
Loki and the Marvel.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Universe hold that position, arch your back, what breathe in?
Speaker 1 (17:15):
What we are live.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
At the Monahan Federal Courthouse where Sean Comebs aka Diddy
and many other names is on trial facing prosecution in
a multicounp federal indictment including charges for sex trafficking and
Rico joining me at the courthouse, Tisa tels investigator and
star off Tisa tales on YouTube. I understand the judge
(17:39):
is furious about a leak a link, Tisa.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
What happened, guys, what happened in the courtroom today shocked everybody.
Judge Aaron is done playing nice. He went in there
with his cloak flying behind them, which he was Lord
Voldemort coming to Hogwarts. He literally accused the defense and
a little bit the prosecution, accused them of lying and
(18:04):
leaking information that could only been available to the people
in a sealed courtroom.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
It was incredible.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
On top of that, Diddy's team said that they're going
to rest their case in two to five trial days.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
I don't even know what that means.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
However, there was a leak that actually came out from
people that were in a closed, sealed courtroom. The only
people there were the defense and the prosecution. The issue
was an article. There was an article that was actually published.
The judge hinted that it was last night. He didn't
tell us what it was, and he said the source
of the article had to be one of the parties
(18:39):
because again it was a closed courtroom, nobody was supposed
to know about it, and it was under federal court ordered.
Now again, the prosecution was like, it's not us, your honor. However,
the judge literally hammered Mark Agnifilio, the League Council for Didty,
saying why did you find out about this article? Mark
Agnophilio sat there, I don't know over his words. Then
(19:02):
the judge said, but when were you made aware? He
still didn't know. Finally he said, oh, we think when
the prosecution sent it to us marine call Mey literally
looked like, what do you mean we They were caught
flat footed. They didn't have any excuses. The judge finally said, listen,
do you know what's going to happen moving forward. First
of all, he said he has the right to open
(19:23):
up an investigation. He said, that's a serious. He said,
moving forward, this happens again, he will they will literally
seize phones, They will conduct a thorough investigation. They will,
they will literally question all parties under penalty of perjury,
and they will get to the bottom of those leaks.
He said, moving forward though he is putting the defense
(19:46):
and prosecution, but everybody knew he was talking to the
defense on notice that if any leaks come out of
their count, if anything is signed off on, and anything escapes,
then they are holding the lead prosecutor or the film
attorney accountable for anything that happens in their camp.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Judge Aaron means business. It was.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
It was.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
It was shocking what happened in the courtroom.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Okay, that is serious. When there was a leak of that.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Magnitude Crime Stories with Nancy Grace to Sidy Summer joining
US Crime Stories investigative reporter who's been covering the case
from the very beginning and really before that seventy summer,
sounds like what has just happened in the Coburger prosecution
(20:35):
with the Idaho for sleigh out in Moscow, because a
leak definitely occurred.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
To Dateline and they had this very long.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
And extensive piece on the Coburger investigation where evidence came
out and the Dateline piece that no one had heard before.
Videos of the white ilantra associated with the quadruple murders.
Much much more came out, and that judge ordered a
(21:06):
full on investigation about who is the Lake Sydney.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
That's absolutely correct. Judge Stephen Hipler similarly cracked down on
both sides of the case to say, hey, I don't
know where this came from, but it needs to stop
and it can't happen again. Because that Dateline episode, that
two hours special, it had tons of never before seen evidence,
(21:32):
down to exactly how many times Coberger allegedly visited the
house before the murders, that he made all of these
creepy iPhone searches, and that he even had photos of
the victim's friends Cladden the keys on his phone. That
was all new information and the judge was not pleased.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Okay, tours coming to mind, freaky perv. But that said
the investigation. You do not want to be the source
of a leak, and you don't want anybody.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
On your team to be responsible.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
And that goes right down to the law clerks and
the summer interns that may have xerox papers or handed
over discovery because it reflects on you and once you
lose your credibility in the courtroom technical legal term, you're screwed.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
End of story. Now, we just heard.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
From Tisa Tales joining us at the courthouse that the
defense has now dropped their own bomb, stating they're only
going to put up two to five days of defense witnesses.
Straight out to Brian Fitzgibbons, joining US Director Operations USPA
nation Wide Security, he leads a team of investigators.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Brian, welcome back, Thank you for.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Being with us. You and I have been in a
lot of cases. You has witnessed me as the prosecutor.
The defense always does it. Sadly, it took me about
ten years to catch on to it. I would always
believe them when they would say, oh, we're going to
be at least two or three weeks, and it never
was two or three weeks.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
But I would always take.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Them at their word and arrange my rebuttal witnesses to
come to town.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Or to show up at the courthouse in two or
three weeks.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
And then sudden they go, oh, no, yeah, it's just
going to be like two days. And it's a way
to catch the state flat footed. But I think it's
also again pardon the pun, puffing up when you make
your case to be more substantial than it really is
going to be. Have you ever, and all the times
you've testified fitz Gibbons, seeing the defense put on the
(23:40):
length of a case they promise up front.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Ever, No, I.
Speaker 8 (23:43):
Think you make a great point, Nancy, that what the
defense is going to do here is, you know, they've
used their private investigators and they're going to present a simple,
shortcase to promote reasonable doubt, right, to keep it simple
for the jury and point out where there are flaws
in the prosecution's case and provide that reasonable doubt, you know.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Speaking of the leak which seems to be taking forefront
in the judge's mind right now, Guys, we are live
at the courthouse, Sidney Sumner on the case.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Did the judge impose a gag order?
Speaker 6 (24:18):
Sidney, Yes, at the start of trial there is a
gag order that no one is allowed to violate. Nobody
is allowed to be discussing the piece outside of court.
So this is a problem.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
And he was livid, he said, and I quote, this
is the judge. He looked over at Agnifilo, the lead
defense attorney, and at the state. Quote, there is no
passing the buck anymore. The buck stops with you. If
anything happens, lead counsel is responsible r ro Okay. Once
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you lose your credibility in court, it's over. I don't
know if the judge would chew out the attorney that's
responsible for the league in front of the jury.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Probably not, No, he wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
He would do it outside the jury's presence because otherwise
it could be grounds for a mistrial. You know another
issue in court, Sidney Sumner. We've already lost Juror number
six because he was less than candid about where he lived.
You cannot live outside the jurisdiction and sit on a jury. Now,
there is an issue with Juror number seven, Okay. Now,
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it's my understanding that Juror seven had either received or
sent or both texts to a colleague regarding this case.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
What's the status on that, Sydney Sumner.
Speaker 6 (25:47):
Well, what we know about Juror number seven is that
they apparently talked about the case improperly with a former colleague,
and we don't know too much about what exactly happened.
But the judge pushed off dealing with this issue for
a number of days now, so we are expected to
have a ruling on it soon.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Another issue in the courtroom is seemingly a missing witness.
What happened to Sean Combs's chief of staff, Christina Koram?
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Is she not going to take the stand and if not,
why not?
Speaker 9 (26:21):
Cassie Ventura and Christina Koram's text are shown to the jury.
Cassie texted Korum wtf, to which Korum asks if Cassie
is okay. Cassie writes, no one deserves being dragged by
their hair. I locked the door for my safety. Cassie
also texts that she doesn't have her belongings or any money,
to which Korum says she will try to talk to
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Combs and help Cassie get her stuff.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
The worst Netflix until in the world.
Speaker 6 (26:47):
Two hundred bottles of baby oil and nine hundred bottles
of astroblide.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Hold it right there, all right, you're back bread in
rhino pails.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
He's in control of everything, beat.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Her and subjective her to three male escorts. She was
the sex sleeve and he's asking for his very own
dateline special.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
I just want to wash my mouth out with.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Lestrine, with lysol, with rubbing alcohol after I talk about
the Sean Comb's case, and I suspect some of the
jurrs feel the same way because when they were.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Watching the States exhibit triple X the freak off videos,
they were.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Actually turning away from the monitor went seeing visibly hiding
their faces.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Do you blame them? But now.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Mary freak cough Christmas everybody?
Speaker 9 (27:42):
Special Agent Penland also reads text from January twenty thirteen
where Combs ask Cassie Ventura if she wants to celebrate
a late Christmas with a four man freakof Comb's text Adventura,
word for word, want to celebrate Christmas and have a
freak off tomorrow or Friday. Ventura then got to work
hiring the men with staggered arrivals for January eleventh and twelfth,
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reaching out to three men personally and arranging for the
fourth from an escort service.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Doctor Bethany Marshall again, I need a shrink and a drink,
but says time I tay toy learn how to settle
for just a shrink.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Did you hear that guy's Bethany Marshall.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us out of the LA jurisdiction.
She is the author of deal Breaker. You can see
her now on Peacock and you can find her at
Doctorbethany Marshall dot com. Did you hear that, Mary Christmas,
you want to celebrate a late Christmas with me with
a four man freakoff?
Speaker 1 (28:39):
In other words, you have sex with four sex workers.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
You know, Nancy, I hear's somebody who's compulsive and addicted
in terms of compulsivity sex addiction. One of the things
we know about sex addiction is that the thoughts of
sex or whatever, the fetishized view of sex is become
so prominent in the perpetrator's mind that they often can't focus.
Often they can't even hold down a job, or they
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present as somebody with attention deficit disorder because their mind
keeps drifting to sex. And then in terms of addiction,
you know, we think of sex as driving these free coughs,
but there's so much drugs involved. And I hear in
the testimony that he'll say, you know, I'll be up
for twenty four hours or forty eight hours, or there's
some chatter back and forth and the text about that.
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And to me, Nancy, I think methamphetamine, that's the one
drug that could keep somebody up for that many days.
And we know with methamphetamine especially in homicide, there's often overkill.
So if he already likes power and violence and he's
on meth, that's even going to ratchet up the level,
and Nancy real quickly the jurors wincing. Wincing is an
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instinctual response to loss of life. It's like seeing a
plane fall out of the sky, or a big dog barking,
or a spider or someone ejected from a car. If
they are when seeing, they're not just viewing sex, They're
viewing battery. What is being done to these women? Are
they being sodomized? Are they being chained in compromising positions?
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Are they so out of it they don't know what's happening?
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Then?
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Are they being whipped? I would be so curious to
know what are they seeing that is life threatening?
Speaker 10 (30:21):
The way you just said that, doctor Bethany, it's overwhelming,
It really is, because those videos are placing the jurors
at the Free.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Coughs crime stories with Nancy Grace and Lin Shaw joining me,
founder director of Lynn's Warriors, an organization committed to ending
sex trafficking and sex abuse of women and girls. When
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I say the words freak cough, it's like eating a
sandwich frea cough, hotel night, King Night. Wow, that's certainly
airbrushing the whole scenario. Putting perfume on the pig. It's torture,
it's sex abuse, it's coerced rape.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Freak cough. That sounds like it could be a music festival.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Hotel night, that sounds like a fun getaway right where
the twins and I would camp out on the bed,
order room service whoo right, and King Night, it's anything
but that for the victims.
Speaker 11 (31:40):
Has anyone heard of sexual servitude? This is part with
the justice system now, we are working into sex trafficking.
It is coercion, it is forced it is fraud, sexual servitude.
We've seen the testimony. We've heard they were forced into this,
they were under the influence, they were threatened with their lives,
family members were threatened. We've heard so much. This dirty
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ditty freak fest is a great, big fu not only
to all of us, but to all of the alleged
victims of his and to all all of the victims
of any sort of sexual exploitation and abuse across America,
across the globe. And you know what, this is his playbook.
I keep going back to thinking he's smiling. He's thinking
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he won because you know what his playbook is, money talks,
crime walks. I'm very concerned about this because we've got
to think about and we're not talking enough about them,
the victims. Where is this Christina Korum? I've been asking
for weeks now, is she going to testify?
Speaker 4 (32:37):
She is? She isn't?
Speaker 11 (32:38):
We don't know why isn't she testifying? She is the
right hand. We have proof, we have text messages she
knew about this. We need more information, but you know what,
the women. The bottom line here is all of these
alleged victims, survivors of this dirty ditty degenerate. Their lives
will never be the same. We may never know names
hear from them. Their lives are ruined because you know what,
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you don't get over abuse like this.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
But I want.
Speaker 11 (33:01):
Everybody to know about sexual servitude equals sex trafficking.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
I mean, Greg Morse.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
When you give your wife a Christmas gift and you
say Merry Christmas, sweetheart, she's probably expecting something like diamond
earrings or a bracelet instead of Hey, merry Christmas, I
just order four male sex workers enjoy.
Speaker 7 (33:23):
Well, you're right, that's that's something I would get as
a gift for a significant other in my life. But
it doesn't seem like from the text that were read
that Cassie rejected it. She went and contacted the four men.
So while this is overwhelmingly insane to think of the
sex acts and this orgy again, it's not like she said,
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I don't want to do this. Please stop making me.
Let's take a break.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Okay, how do I hire the people?
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Yeah, you're right, I think she asked for that fat
lip and those bruises on the side of her stomach
and that guests to her forehead.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Would she ask for that?
Speaker 7 (34:00):
You're boots trapping two spherate crimes.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
P Diddy orchestrates the entire scene, vomiting, forced to have
sex with three male sex workers. She turned around, and
this demon is standing eighteen hour sex marathon on video.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
You're not gonna olf up my night.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
He's in control of everything.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
You better take this f and pill.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
You better get on your job.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
That's really, That's that's all it is.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Did he speaking in code? Wow? It took me a
full five seconds to crack that.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
The text messages that he sends all sorts of people
include code words. Well, let's just say you don't need
the code breakers at Bletchley Squared figured this out.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Listen.
Speaker 12 (34:43):
Ananya Sintkar reads aloud messages from Comb's assistant Ryan Lopez
to Christina Korum. Lol, I think I saw one of
the cowboys today. You can spot them in a lobby
like an escort. I forgot to tell you about it.
Korum texted back for laughing face emojis with btw helong.
Is he going to stay awake? Lopez replies, Lol, I'm
guessing until tomorrow night. Cowboys is a possible reference to
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the Cowboys and Angels service did he allegedly used for
hotel nights and free coughs?
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Brian Fitzgibbons, Really, I mean dope dealers use code words
a lot, and they're always horrible. Here we've got Combs
referring to cowboys. The sex workers work for the Cowboys
and Angels sex service one of the male prostitute services
(35:38):
that Combs use, so he would refer to them as
cowboys in the code. He also refers to hotel night
and free coughs. I've got a lot more.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
But how dumb are these people?
Speaker 8 (35:54):
Not a very sophisticated code here, as you said, it's
not going to require British intelligence to crack this one,
particularly when they have, you know, all the other communications
from the Cowboys and Angels agency. So this is just
a peek into how unsophisticated their communications were.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
You know what, I think it goes a little bit
further than that, Fitzgibbons. I think it's arrogance.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
You are running a criminal enterprise where you have Oh,
by the way, Fitz Gibbs, let me just throw this in.
The fifth person. I think it's five. I'm losing count
sid correct me if I'm wrong. Has just gotten immunity.
It's Brandon Paul. I think is the drug mule, right, Yeah,
I wondered when he got a cheap player.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
I'm like, whoa, They got him coming off.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
A plane with a satchel full of dope and he's
got a light deal. Why he must be going to testify,
And sure enough, he just got immunity. Speaking of five minions,
as I call them, some were employees, some are loosely associated,
like this guy, Brandon Paul was an employee on the payroll,
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but he was doing comes is bidding, carrying his dope.
According to prosecutors, five have taken immunity so far right,
So he's got all of them talking back and forth
in code right now, hold on, here's some more there.
Speaker 5 (37:25):
He is.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
What a fine fellow. I hope he can sing really
well on the stand. Okay, listen to this, mis Gibbons.
Speaker 13 (37:33):
The jury has shown text between Combe's staff planning hotel
nights Diddy and Cassie with Korum and other staff discussing
getting four thousand dollars cash to the hotel koram Tell's
assistant Dave. Shirley heads up, He's probably about to do
wild King tonight. Shirley responds, need to re up on
baby oil. The jury also sees a text from Korum
to Cassie. Hi, Dave is at your door with the
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green gee.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
I wonder what green is Fitzgibbons money.
Speaker 8 (38:00):
These texts and this evidence that they're presenting to the
jurors is something that we talked about right at the
beginning of this case, that the prosecution is going to
show the organizational structure and the delegation of tasks coming
directly from Diddy. So this is all laying a tremendous
foundation for that rico charge.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Okay, it ain't over yet listen to this.
Speaker 13 (38:20):
The jury views a series of text messages between Comb's
and Christina Korum discussing a package that Guido, the drug dealer,
drops off for Korum to deal with. In another text thread,
Comb's head of security, Fahim Mohammad, gets approval to pay
Guido thousands of dollars for drugs, while another text thread,
including Comb's accountant, references flower meaning marijuana. The drug commonly
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referred to as molly MDMA is also discussed when Koram
asked Combs to tell Mohammed what he needs to pick
up before his flight to Miami. Comb's text molly fifteen
bills Combs.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
You're boring me.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Throw me a real puzzle here. I mean, Gibbons, marijuana
is flower molly? Okay, they're talking about MDMA.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
It goes on and on and on. They call the
drug dealer Guido. Please stop it, Fitzgibbons. I mean, it's
so obvious, but I'm going to.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Go back to doctor Bethany in just a moment. But
I want to hear your take on the codes, and
there's so many more.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
I'm just throwing out a few right now. Fitzgibbons.
Speaker 8 (39:29):
I think you made the salient point, Nancy, that this
is potentially no code at all, and this is just
a display of arrogance that you know, they felt completely
immune to any prosecution.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
You know, earlier you said they were just dumb, and
then you jumped on it when I said arrogant.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Now you're riding that train.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Fine because they're not mutually exclusive, but go ahead. It's
still my thought, uh, doctor Bethany Marshall. The arrogance that
anybody can figure this ou like that's protecting them. And
not only it's evidence of a crime, it's evidence of
trying to cover up the crime. The euphemisms for forced
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ubie right morse, forced orgies with male sex workers, referring
to dope drugs as flower and molly. I mean, there's
so many, but the arrogance of it, Hey, nobody's ever
going to look at my phone. I'm never going to
get in trouble for this. I can do whatever I
want with impunity. That's what it's about. And you know what, wait,
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he could because there was that moment that really struck
me when Cassie was getting beaten in front of a
group of people as she turned.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
To them with her big fat lip and said, is
nobody seeing this?
Speaker 2 (40:46):
And apparently nobody was. Hear no evil, see no evil,
speak no.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
Evil, Nancy.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
He keeps dressing up really perverse, horrible, sadistic crimes as
being some better than they are. Oh it's a hotel night.
He does not know that we see in him. What
is really going on all this language. Not only is
it arrogant, it really sanitizes something very very dark. And
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you know one other point, when he went into the
other room with Cassie and the sex worker, could hear
him slapping her, beating her? You know, the panel is
talking about this as assault. I thought he was probably
trying to get his direction back. I mean, sadism is
a key component of his arousal pattern. So what are
you going to do if you can't get aroused enough
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or you've done it too many times in one night?
You go beat your girlfriend. You beat them as much
as possible and hope other people are listening and that
it gets back on track.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
And now we remember an American hero, Officer Joseph Berson,
Holly Springs, PD, just twenty five killed in a line
of duty, survived by why Mary Kate, American hero twenty
five year old Joseph Berson, Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Did he steaks Exhibit triple X and Mary Freeko of Christmas?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Everybody?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
This as we learned Seawan Comb's texts about his crimes
and code words. But don't worry, there's no need to
call him the code breakers at Bletchley Park. I think
I figured it out comes. I'm Nancy Grace. This is
Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us. Draggings, druggings.
He beat her to hell and back, marathon sex sessions,
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tore down the door, He smacks her in the.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Face, inflicting pain and cruelty.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
A scene out of the shining.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Nothing more than an animal.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
We are live outside the Manahaan Federal Courthouse standing by
is Tisa tells investigator and commentator star Off Tisa Tales
on YouTube. Tisa, You've got to explain how the jury
reacted when they got to see States Exhibit triple X,
the freak coffdeos.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
The jurors reaction was the same as the gallery's reaction.
When I say they were disgusted. One juror had to
look away. Now, mind you, we heard.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Faint moments, fate murmurings.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Okay, and that and again they turned off all audio
to the gallery. So the fact that it was that loud.
But when you see the jurors, they were some of
them were leaned in. One had to turn their head
away in disgust. They were up, they were attentive, they
were taking notes, and they were puzzled by what they
were seeing. I would actually choose the word disgusted. It
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was a really, really weird moment. But you know what,
it had to be done.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
You know, I'm very curious, you said.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Some of the jurors looked discussed as some of them
turned away.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I understand that.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Some of them winced that one jarar was looking through
their hands.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
I want to find out.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Were they male Gurrs or female Gurrars that had this reaction.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Well that's the funny thing.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
The people, Okay, so I'll just break it down, right,
But the female jurors actually looked away in disgust.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Not all, but some looked away in discuss.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
The males, interesting enough, were leaning forward, wincing, going back,
rubbing their heads it whatever they were seeing on those screens.
Because we were not privy, it was shaking everyone. And
again the men had to WinCE and look away. It
was quite a safe to see.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
So even though the gurrrs had, you know, a secret
screen to look at, and they had on earphones, you
could still hear the moaning and the groaning from the video.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
In Moel in the audience.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
Yes, now that was a surprising thing. Clearly there was
something being played that there were no headphones. But in
the well inside the courtroom, we were actually in the courtroom,
you could hear.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Faint moaning, faint talking, faint mumbling. Now when you heard that.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
Just very faintly, combined to when the jurors were leaning
in looking away, wincing, it created just a disgusting scene,
super disgusting. Oddly enough, the person that didn't have headphones
and didn't have privy to it was Sean Colms, And
oddly enough he's the one that later on requested that
he have access to watch the freak golf tapes in
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the back.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
So what was his response? What was I mean? What
can you do? The jury is watching.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
You butt naked, or maybe he had a burka on,
or maybe hearing him directing everybody else about what they
should be doing, and.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
They're all looking over at him. What can he do?
What did he do?
Speaker 4 (03:57):
I'll tell you what he did. He actually looked like
he was a little bit proud. It was odd he
got a little step in that he started moving around.
I thought he would be shamed in a polder at.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
Least sit there and try to look like a puppy dog,
even though he probably looked like a rabbit rottweiler. Instead,
he got this confidence to us actions.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Nancy, I gotta tell you, I was there. I saw him.
It seemed like he was proud of what the jurors saw.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
And I literally sat there and said, he hasn't learned
a thing, and if somehow he pulls out a not
guilty verdict, he is going to be hell on wills again.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
It was pride in his movements, not a look ashamed.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Okay, I don't like when you say if he's found
not guilty, he's going to be hell on wheels because I'm.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Totally getting my car car bombed. Okay, I like kid Kenny. Yeah,
there's no coming.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Back from the adddddy and theddty wand I've gotten them
all here.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah, he's going to come after me.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
So I've got the juror reactions, I've got Sean Cohn's reactions.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
What about his legal team.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
This is when for those of you just joining US States,
exhibit Triple X, the freak off Hotel Night, King Night.
There's so many ephemissions for this. Most of us call
it sex trafficking caught on video. But what was the
defense team doing during it? Like taking notes furiously not
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looking up, saying over and over, this isn't happening, This
isn't happening.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
This is not why I went to law school.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
So the defense team, listen, they had their game faces on.
Most of them were staring just straight.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
They were trying.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
They had their poker faces on. If anything, they looked
like they were like, this isn't happening, this isn't happening.
Interestingly enough, Brian still was kind of leaned into Diddy.
Now they were not talking, but it was kind of
leaned into their Probably wanted to tell him when you
stopped acting, so gushdarn proud and just sit there or
look at the ground. But like you said, I know
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you don't like to hear about the not guilty. I
do not think that the jury even has the evidence
to even pull out a not guilty verdict. But we
did hear that he is manifesting, and he's probably doing
blood ritual sacrifices on the rats and roaches in his
jail cell. So who knows we will see a manifestation
is real because I am sure he's doing everything he
can to manifest him not guilty.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Okay, you know what you just said, Tisa Tales and
Sydney Summer. You can back me up on this, Tisa
tilS at the get go when you said he's doing
voodoo rituals Santa Ria on the rats and roaches in
his jail cell, there is actually evidence that before this
trial started, when everything was starting to go down, he.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Did a voodoo ritual. I think it was in Central Park.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I'm going to go back to Sidney Sumner on that,
and a bird was involved.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
You know what.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
It's going to take more than voodoo rituals to pull
this one out of his you know where.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Okay. So I understand what Brian Steel was doing. I
know him, not.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Socially but through practicing. He's a defense attorney. When I
was prosecuting, he's a great lawyer.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Now I know that he and every member of this
defense team has stilled themselves pardon the pun against the
free cough videos. Okay, I know they've seen it. Still
may look affable friendly, and he is. He is genuinely
affable and friendly, but he's a hard as nails trial lawyer,
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so I know he's watched all of these videos to
be prepared not to react in court.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
That's really hard to do.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I've had to do it a million times when a
witness would go sideways or something really bad would happen
for the state in the court, you have to act
like nothing happened. You cannot show any emotion. But still
watching all of that, you know he's a teetotaler, brings
his own chicken sandwich every day that he makes at home,
drinks nothing but.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Water, that whole thing.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
So this must have been a shock to the census
for Steel. Okay, what about the state, How did they react?
I hope they showed no emotion at all.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
The state did what they needed to do. They showed
absolutely no reaction at all. They stayed stared forward and
stealing silence, and they really gave the the feeling of
this is what it is, and you guys are going
to have to look at the debauchery that this man
was proud of.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Again, it was a very sobering time.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
You have the state looking forward sober, You have the
jury like just disgusted.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Looking forward, looking away, flinching.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
You have everybody pretty much acting like you said they
should be acting or expected, and then you have Diddy
in the middle of it, like a rooster proud of
what he's done.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
That man has not learned a thing.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Okay, now that you said rooster.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Just in case you think I'm fabricating his whole voodoo ritual.
You started this testales not me. You said it straight
to Sidney Sumner. Wasn't it something to do with the
the j Loo shooting although Jennifer Lopez did not pull
the trig or she.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Just happened to be there.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Didn't that voodoo bird ritual have something? Right before his
nightclub shooting trial?
Speaker 1 (09:13):
What happened, Sidney Nancy?
Speaker 6 (09:15):
It was actually the day the verdict of that trial
was red, so Colms was accused of having a gun illegally.
He was put on trial. Scrapper Shine Barrow claims he's
the guy who took the fall for this, but it
really was Diddy behind the trigger and Colms apparently went
to Central Park with some kind of religious man who
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was holding a bible burning stage and asked Combs to
release a white dove from a cage and Didty's former bodyguard,
Jeane Deal, claims that when did, he pulled the berg
from the cage and threw it into the air. It
didn't fly, it was dead, and later that day he
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was a of all charges.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Okay, so the poor bird sacrificed its life in exchange
for not guilty. Okay, Sidney, thank you for that legal update. Okay,
back to TASA Tales outside the Monahan Federal Courthouse, Guys,
Shawn Combs on trial in a multi count federal in
dietment including charges of sex trafficking and Rico organized crime.
TASA Tales. I understand three videos were played by the prosecution.
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Three of those were provided by Cassie Ventira, and then
there was one that I believe starred the Punisher.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Yes, yes, now we were not privy to who starred
in what.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
But earlier the prosecution did actually say that there was
actually I think seven to nine videos that they actually recovered.
Three of them they.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
Would actually show in court, and one of them was
supposed to feature the Punisher, which is why he was
one of the men to actually testify.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Now, you stated that during all of this, Brian still
kind of leaned over toward Shawn Comes even though they
were not talking.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Is that correct?
Speaker 4 (11:05):
That is correct?
Speaker 5 (11:06):
He did the lawyer lean over in almost like he
wanted to get his ear.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Okay, straight out to Greg Morse joining me Veteran try
a lawyer, criminal defense attorney at Morse Legal, author of
the untested on Amazon, he is joining us out of
the Palm Bates jurisdiction. Morse, when the jury is wincing
and hiding behind their hands watching videos of your client,
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there's really nowhere to hide.
Speaker 7 (11:34):
Well, there's I mean, it's not unexpected. The defense was
probably on some level board because they knew this was
coming in. But it's just like autopsy photos, it's your
control room.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
I think there's something wrong with my ifbabe, because I'm
pretty sure I heard Greg moorese state that while watching
a forced orgy where women are wincing and hiding their eyes,
that Moore said it was probably boring.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
So there, obviously I'm not hearing correctly. Could that was
you said again or you.
Speaker 7 (12:07):
Added the word force? So let's talk about the evidence
in the game. They watched it, they watched a video.
All of the videos are introduced so the jury when
they're deliberating, can watch them all. The defense was ready
for this. They knew this was coming in. There's nothing
they can do about it. It's a video. Their argument
is this is consensual, and you mentioned the punisher in
one of the videos, you better believe. In closing, the
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defense is going to go back to the punisher's testimony
about how consensual this was with Cassie and how their
relationship was fine and nothing forced. So listen, you're asking
regular people to watch some pretty aggressive amateur porn that's
always shocking, and you know they are going to WinCE
and turn away, just like they would if they were
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watching something like that at home. Not an a criminal case,
but it doesn't mean he's going to be found guilty
of the sex trafficking. It doesn't mean it was the force, fraud,
or coercion, It doesn't mean any of those things. They
knew this was coming in, and you know it is
what it is and did he probably wanted to watch
it afterwards because the man's in jail. He doesn't see
naked women very much.
Speaker 6 (13:11):
Miss Mike.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yes, Greg Morris, did you grow up having your mom
or dad read you the Acep's fables. I guess it's
that one where there's the three monkeys sitting there and
one says he sees no evil, the other here's no evil.
Other speaks no evil. Okay, because I think you have
that syndrome, and I think it's pretty serious. Sidney Sumner,
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speaking of the punisher, suggesting or proving that nothing was forced.
Which one of the sex workers testified that during a
free cough, Shawn Holmes directed Cassie Ventira into.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
The other room, the other bedroom there's always a suite.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
At the very least, and he could hear a beating
going down over her performance in the free cough. She
came flying out of that room where she was being
beaten and jumped in the sex worker's lap for protection.
Now did I make that up or was that part
of the testimony, Nancy?
Speaker 6 (14:13):
That was actually the very first escort that we heard
from Daniel Phillip, and he testified that Cassy was clearly
afraid of Sean Combs, and he wasn't sure the exact
detail of how much control Combs had over Cassy, but
he said it was definitely evident in their interactions.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
So during a freak cough the as Greg Moore says,
consensual orgy, Combs makes Cassie leave the room, goes in
another room.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
And beats her.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
I guess she wasn't just just wasn't into it enough.
And then she goes back in and again, Sydney, what
happened when she went back into the free cough.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
Philip testified that he could hear the sound of Combe's
hitting Cathy. So didn't see what happened, but she could
hear the sound of hands hitting flesh, and he knew
that Cathy was being physically assaulted in that room.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
You know what, Sidney, Summer, there's so many beatings and
so many sex workers, it really is hard to keep
it all straight.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
I just happened to have notes here. You're right.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
The person's name is Daniel Phillip, a male stripper who
took the stand. I believe he was on Cross on
May twelve, according to my notes, and he witnessed Cassie Ventura.
He heard Comb's yelling at her, there was physical abuse.
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She ran out of the room. Comb stalked out in
a towel, and Cassie quote jumped into my lap, shaking,
and I asked her, why is why is she doing this?
Why is she staying with a guy hitting her her
and beating her like this? So the sex workers that
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Morse refers to as being part of a willing and
consensual orgy, and he just just rolls.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Off his tongue like that's normal.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
But that said, she came and jumped in a stripper's
lap after a beating to go back into the freak coff.
You call that consensual norse.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
It sounds well.
Speaker 7 (16:32):
Again, the prosecution's going to focus on that one instance
and link it to that video of that horrible abuse
that Cassie Ventor suffered in that hotel. However, the defense
is going to talk about the testimony all the other
hotel nights and freak offs. And remember, when the jury
gets charged with the jury instructions, one of the things
they'll be told is reasonable doubt comes from a conflict
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in the evidence.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Hotel nights would last up to thirty hours.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
There weren't just like bam bam bam, thank you, ma'am,
positions held for three four hours.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Ouch.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
I'd want to go see the chiropractor, a cracked out
Loki and the Marvel.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Universe hold that position, arch your back, what breathe in?
Speaker 1 (17:15):
What we are live.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
At the Monahan Federal Courthouse where Sean Comebs aka Diddy
and many other names is on trial facing prosecution in
a multicounp federal indictment including charges for sex trafficking and
Rico joining me at the courthouse, Tisa tels investigator and
star off Tisa tales on YouTube. I understand the judge
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is furious about a leak a link, Tisa.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
What happened, guys, what happened in the courtroom today shocked everybody.
Judge Aaron is done playing nice. He went in there
with his cloak flying behind them, which he was Lord
Voldemort coming to Hogwarts. He literally accused the defense and
a little bit the prosecution, accused them of lying and
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leaking information that could only been available to the people
in a sealed courtroom.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
It was incredible.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
On top of that, Diddy's team said that they're going
to rest their case in two to five trial days.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
I don't even know what that means.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
However, there was a leak that actually came out from
people that were in a closed, sealed courtroom. The only
people there were the defense and the prosecution. The issue
was an article. There was an article that was actually published.
The judge hinted that it was last night. He didn't
tell us what it was, and he said the source
of the article had to be one of the parties
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because again it was a closed courtroom, nobody was supposed
to know about it, and it was under federal court ordered.
Now again, the prosecution was like, it's not us, your honor. However,
the judge literally hammered Mark Agnifilio, the League Council for Didty,
saying why did you find out about this article? Mark
Agnophilio sat there, I don't know over his words. Then
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the judge said, but when were you made aware? He
still didn't know. Finally he said, oh, we think when
the prosecution sent it to us marine call Mey literally
looked like, what do you mean we They were caught
flat footed. They didn't have any excuses. The judge finally said, listen,
do you know what's going to happen moving forward. First
of all, he said he has the right to open
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up an investigation. He said, that's a serious. He said,
moving forward, this happens again, he will they will literally
seize phones, They will conduct a thorough investigation. They will,
they will literally question all parties under penalty of perjury,
and they will get to the bottom of those leaks.
He said, moving forward though he is putting the defense
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and prosecution, but everybody knew he was talking to the
defense on notice that if any leaks come out of
their count, if anything is signed off on, and anything escapes,
then they are holding the lead prosecutor or the film
attorney accountable for anything that happens in their camp.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Judge Aaron means business. It was.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
It was.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
It was shocking what happened in the courtroom.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Okay, that is serious. When there was a leak of that.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Magnitude Crime Stories with Nancy Grace to Sidy Summer joining
US Crime Stories investigative reporter who's been covering the case
from the very beginning and really before that seventy summer,
sounds like what has just happened in the Coburger prosecution
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with the Idaho for sleigh out in Moscow, because a
leak definitely occurred.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
To Dateline and they had this very long.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
And extensive piece on the Coburger investigation where evidence came
out and the Dateline piece that no one had heard before.
Videos of the white ilantra associated with the quadruple murders.
Much much more came out, and that judge ordered a
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full on investigation about who is the Lake Sydney.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
That's absolutely correct. Judge Stephen Hipler similarly cracked down on
both sides of the case to say, hey, I don't
know where this came from, but it needs to stop
and it can't happen again. Because that Dateline episode, that
two hours special, it had tons of never before seen evidence,
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down to exactly how many times Coberger allegedly visited the
house before the murders, that he made all of these
creepy iPhone searches, and that he even had photos of
the victim's friends Cladden the keys on his phone. That
was all new information and the judge was not pleased.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Okay, tours coming to mind, freaky perv. But that said
the investigation. You do not want to be the source
of a leak, and you don't want anybody.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
On your team to be responsible.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
And that goes right down to the law clerks and
the summer interns that may have xerox papers or handed
over discovery because it reflects on you and once you
lose your credibility in the courtroom technical legal term, you're screwed.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
End of story. Now, we just heard.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
From Tisa Tales joining us at the courthouse that the
defense has now dropped their own bomb, stating they're only
going to put up two to five days of defense witnesses.
Straight out to Brian Fitzgibbons, joining US Director Operations USPA
nation Wide Security, he leads a team of investigators.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Brian, welcome back, Thank you for.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Being with us. You and I have been in a
lot of cases. You has witnessed me as the prosecutor.
The defense always does it. Sadly, it took me about
ten years to catch on to it. I would always
believe them when they would say, oh, we're going to
be at least two or three weeks, and it never
was two or three weeks.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
But I would always take.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Them at their word and arrange my rebuttal witnesses to
come to town.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Or to show up at the courthouse in two or
three weeks.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
And then sudden they go, oh, no, yeah, it's just
going to be like two days. And it's a way
to catch the state flat footed. But I think it's
also again pardon the pun, puffing up when you make
your case to be more substantial than it really is
going to be. Have you ever, and all the times
you've testified fitz Gibbons, seeing the defense put on the
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length of a case they promise up front.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Ever, No, I.
Speaker 8 (23:43):
Think you make a great point, Nancy, that what the
defense is going to do here is, you know, they've
used their private investigators and they're going to present a simple,
shortcase to promote reasonable doubt, right, to keep it simple
for the jury and point out where there are flaws
in the prosecution's case and provide that reasonable doubt, you know.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Speaking of the leak which seems to be taking forefront
in the judge's mind right now, Guys, we are live
at the courthouse, Sidney Sumner on the case.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Did the judge impose a gag order?
Speaker 6 (24:18):
Sidney, Yes, at the start of trial there is a
gag order that no one is allowed to violate. Nobody
is allowed to be discussing the piece outside of court.
So this is a problem.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
And he was livid, he said, and I quote, this
is the judge. He looked over at Agnifilo, the lead
defense attorney, and at the state. Quote, there is no
passing the buck anymore. The buck stops with you. If
anything happens, lead counsel is responsible r ro Okay. Once
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you lose your credibility in court, it's over. I don't
know if the judge would chew out the attorney that's
responsible for the league in front of the jury.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Probably not, No, he wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
He would do it outside the jury's presence because otherwise
it could be grounds for a mistrial. You know another
issue in court, Sidney Sumner. We've already lost Juror number
six because he was less than candid about where he lived.
You cannot live outside the jurisdiction and sit on a jury. Now,
there is an issue with Juror number seven, Okay. Now,
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it's my understanding that Juror seven had either received or
sent or both texts to a colleague regarding this case.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
What's the status on that, Sydney Sumner.
Speaker 6 (25:47):
Well, what we know about Juror number seven is that
they apparently talked about the case improperly with a former colleague,
and we don't know too much about what exactly happened.
But the judge pushed off dealing with this issue for
a number of days now, so we are expected to
have a ruling on it soon.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Another issue in the courtroom is seemingly a missing witness.
What happened to Sean Combs's chief of staff, Christina Koram?
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Is she not going to take the stand and if not,
why not?
Speaker 9 (26:21):
Cassie Ventura and Christina Koram's text are shown to the jury.
Cassie texted Korum wtf, to which Korum asks if Cassie
is okay. Cassie writes, no one deserves being dragged by
their hair. I locked the door for my safety. Cassie
also texts that she doesn't have her belongings or any money,
to which Korum says she will try to talk to
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Combs and help Cassie get her stuff.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
The worst Netflix until in the world.
Speaker 6 (26:47):
Two hundred bottles of baby oil and nine hundred bottles
of astroblide.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Hold it right there, all right, you're back bread in
rhino pails.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
He's in control of everything, beat.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Her and subjective her to three male escorts. She was
the sex sleeve and he's asking for his very own
dateline special.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
I just want to wash my mouth out with.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Lestrine, with lysol, with rubbing alcohol after I talk about
the Sean Comb's case, and I suspect some of the
jurrs feel the same way because when they were.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Watching the States exhibit triple X the freak off videos,
they were.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Actually turning away from the monitor went seeing visibly hiding
their faces.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Do you blame them? But now.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Mary freak cough Christmas everybody?
Speaker 9 (27:42):
Special Agent Penland also reads text from January twenty thirteen
where Combs ask Cassie Ventura if she wants to celebrate
a late Christmas with a four man freakof Comb's text Adventura,
word for word, want to celebrate Christmas and have a
freak off tomorrow or Friday. Ventura then got to work
hiring the men with staggered arrivals for January eleventh and twelfth,
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reaching out to three men personally and arranging for the
fourth from an escort service.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Doctor Bethany Marshall again, I need a shrink and a drink,
but says time I tay toy learn how to settle
for just a shrink.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Did you hear that guy's Bethany Marshall.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us out of the LA jurisdiction.
She is the author of deal Breaker. You can see
her now on Peacock and you can find her at
Doctorbethany Marshall dot com. Did you hear that, Mary Christmas,
you want to celebrate a late Christmas with me with
a four man freakoff?
Speaker 1 (28:39):
In other words, you have sex with four sex workers.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
You know, Nancy, I hear's somebody who's compulsive and addicted
in terms of compulsivity sex addiction. One of the things
we know about sex addiction is that the thoughts of
sex or whatever, the fetishized view of sex is become
so prominent in the perpetrator's mind that they often can't focus.
Often they can't even hold down a job, or they
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present as somebody with attention deficit disorder because their mind
keeps drifting to sex. And then in terms of addiction,
you know, we think of sex as driving these free coughs,
but there's so much drugs involved. And I hear in
the testimony that he'll say, you know, I'll be up
for twenty four hours or forty eight hours, or there's
some chatter back and forth and the text about that.
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And to me, Nancy, I think methamphetamine, that's the one
drug that could keep somebody up for that many days.
And we know with methamphetamine especially in homicide, there's often overkill.
So if he already likes power and violence and he's
on meth, that's even going to ratchet up the level,
and Nancy real quickly the jurors wincing. Wincing is an
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instinctual response to loss of life. It's like seeing a
plane fall out of the sky, or a big dog barking,
or a spider or someone ejected from a car. If
they are when seeing, they're not just viewing sex, They're
viewing battery. What is being done to these women? Are
they being sodomized? Are they being chained in compromising positions?
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Are they so out of it they don't know what's happening?
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Then?
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Are they being whipped? I would be so curious to
know what are they seeing that is life threatening?
Speaker 10 (30:21):
The way you just said that, doctor Bethany, it's overwhelming,
It really is, because those videos are placing the jurors
at the Free.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Coughs crime stories with Nancy Grace and Lin Shaw joining me,
founder director of Lynn's Warriors, an organization committed to ending
sex trafficking and sex abuse of women and girls. When
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I say the words freak cough, it's like eating a
sandwich frea cough, hotel night, King Night. Wow, that's certainly
airbrushing the whole scenario. Putting perfume on the pig. It's torture,
it's sex abuse, it's coerced rape.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Freak cough. That sounds like it could be a music festival.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Hotel night, that sounds like a fun getaway right where
the twins and I would camp out on the bed,
order room service whoo right, and King Night, it's anything
but that for the victims.
Speaker 11 (31:40):
Has anyone heard of sexual servitude? This is part with
the justice system now, we are working into sex trafficking.
It is coercion, it is forced it is fraud, sexual servitude.
We've seen the testimony. We've heard they were forced into this,
they were under the influence, they were threatened with their lives,
family members were threatened. We've heard so much. This dirty
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ditty freak fest is a great, big fu not only
to all of us, but to all of the alleged
victims of his and to all all of the victims
of any sort of sexual exploitation and abuse across America,
across the globe. And you know what, this is his playbook.
I keep going back to thinking he's smiling. He's thinking
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he won because you know what his playbook is, money talks,
crime walks. I'm very concerned about this because we've got
to think about and we're not talking enough about them,
the victims. Where is this Christina Korum? I've been asking
for weeks now, is she going to testify?
Speaker 4 (32:37):
She is? She isn't?
Speaker 11 (32:38):
We don't know why isn't she testifying? She is the
right hand. We have proof, we have text messages she
knew about this. We need more information, but you know what,
the women. The bottom line here is all of these
alleged victims, survivors of this dirty ditty degenerate. Their lives
will never be the same. We may never know names
hear from them. Their lives are ruined because you know what,
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you don't get over abuse like this.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
But I want.
Speaker 11 (33:01):
Everybody to know about sexual servitude equals sex trafficking.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
I mean, Greg Morse.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
When you give your wife a Christmas gift and you
say Merry Christmas, sweetheart, she's probably expecting something like diamond
earrings or a bracelet instead of Hey, merry Christmas, I
just order four male sex workers enjoy.
Speaker 7 (33:23):
Well, you're right, that's that's something I would get as
a gift for a significant other in my life. But
it doesn't seem like from the text that were read
that Cassie rejected it. She went and contacted the four men.
So while this is overwhelmingly insane to think of the
sex acts and this orgy again, it's not like she said,
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I don't want to do this. Please stop making me.
Let's take a break.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Okay, how do I hire the people?
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Yeah, you're right, I think she asked for that fat
lip and those bruises on the side of her stomach
and that guests to her forehead.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Would she ask for that?
Speaker 7 (34:00):
You're boots trapping two spherate crimes.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
P Diddy orchestrates the entire scene, vomiting, forced to have
sex with three male sex workers. She turned around, and
this demon is standing eighteen hour sex marathon on video.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
You're not gonna olf up my night.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
He's in control of everything.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
You better take this f and pill.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
You better get on your job.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
That's really, That's that's all it is.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Did he speaking in code? Wow? It took me a
full five seconds to crack that.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
The text messages that he sends all sorts of people
include code words. Well, let's just say you don't need
the code breakers at Bletchley Squared figured this out.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Listen.
Speaker 12 (34:43):
Ananya Sintkar reads aloud messages from Comb's assistant Ryan Lopez
to Christina Korum. Lol, I think I saw one of
the cowboys today. You can spot them in a lobby
like an escort. I forgot to tell you about it.
Korum texted back for laughing face emojis with btw helong.
Is he going to stay awake? Lopez replies, Lol, I'm
guessing until tomorrow night. Cowboys is a possible reference to
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the Cowboys and Angels service did he allegedly used for
hotel nights and free coughs?
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Brian Fitzgibbons, Really, I mean dope dealers use code words
a lot, and they're always horrible. Here we've got Combs
referring to cowboys. The sex workers work for the Cowboys
and Angels sex service one of the male prostitute services
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that Combs use, so he would refer to them as
cowboys in the code. He also refers to hotel night
and free coughs. I've got a lot more.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
But how dumb are these people?
Speaker 8 (35:54):
Not a very sophisticated code here, as you said, it's
not going to require British intelligence to crack this one,
particularly when they have, you know, all the other communications
from the Cowboys and Angels agency. So this is just
a peek into how unsophisticated their communications were.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
You know what, I think it goes a little bit
further than that, Fitzgibbons. I think it's arrogance.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
You are running a criminal enterprise where you have Oh,
by the way, Fitz Gibbs, let me just throw this in.
The fifth person. I think it's five. I'm losing count
sid correct me if I'm wrong. Has just gotten immunity.
It's Brandon Paul. I think is the drug mule, right, Yeah,
I wondered when he got a cheap player.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
I'm like, whoa, They got him coming off.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
A plane with a satchel full of dope and he's
got a light deal. Why he must be going to testify,
And sure enough, he just got immunity. Speaking of five minions,
as I call them, some were employees, some are loosely associated,
like this guy, Brandon Paul was an employee on the payroll,
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but he was doing comes is bidding, carrying his dope.
According to prosecutors, five have taken immunity so far right,
So he's got all of them talking back and forth
in code right now, hold on, here's some more there.
Speaker 5 (37:25):
He is.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
What a fine fellow. I hope he can sing really
well on the stand. Okay, listen to this, mis Gibbons.
Speaker 13 (37:33):
The jury has shown text between Combe's staff planning hotel
nights Diddy and Cassie with Korum and other staff discussing
getting four thousand dollars cash to the hotel koram Tell's
assistant Dave. Shirley heads up, He's probably about to do
wild King tonight. Shirley responds, need to re up on
baby oil. The jury also sees a text from Korum
to Cassie. Hi, Dave is at your door with the
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green gee.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
I wonder what green is Fitzgibbons money.
Speaker 8 (38:00):
These texts and this evidence that they're presenting to the
jurors is something that we talked about right at the
beginning of this case, that the prosecution is going to
show the organizational structure and the delegation of tasks coming
directly from Diddy. So this is all laying a tremendous
foundation for that rico charge.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Okay, it ain't over yet listen to this.
Speaker 13 (38:20):
The jury views a series of text messages between Comb's
and Christina Korum discussing a package that Guido, the drug dealer,
drops off for Korum to deal with. In another text thread,
Comb's head of security, Fahim Mohammad, gets approval to pay
Guido thousands of dollars for drugs, while another text thread,
including Comb's accountant, references flower meaning marijuana. The drug commonly
(38:41):
referred to as molly MDMA is also discussed when Koram
asked Combs to tell Mohammed what he needs to pick
up before his flight to Miami. Comb's text molly fifteen
bills Combs.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
You're boring me.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Throw me a real puzzle here. I mean, Gibbons, marijuana
is flower molly? Okay, they're talking about MDMA.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
It goes on and on and on. They call the
drug dealer Guido. Please stop it, Fitzgibbons. I mean, it's
so obvious, but I'm going to.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Go back to doctor Bethany in just a moment. But
I want to hear your take on the codes, and
there's so many more.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
I'm just throwing out a few right now. Fitzgibbons.
Speaker 8 (39:29):
I think you made the salient point, Nancy, that this
is potentially no code at all, and this is just
a display of arrogance that you know, they felt completely
immune to any prosecution.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
You know, earlier you said they were just dumb, and
then you jumped on it when I said arrogant.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Now you're riding that train.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Fine because they're not mutually exclusive, but go ahead. It's
still my thought, uh, doctor Bethany Marshall. The arrogance that
anybody can figure this ou like that's protecting them. And
not only it's evidence of a crime, it's evidence of
trying to cover up the crime. The euphemisms for forced
(40:10):
ubie right morse, forced orgies with male sex workers, referring
to dope drugs as flower and molly. I mean, there's
so many, but the arrogance of it, Hey, nobody's ever
going to look at my phone. I'm never going to
get in trouble for this. I can do whatever I
want with impunity. That's what it's about. And you know what, wait,
(40:32):
he could because there was that moment that really struck
me when Cassie was getting beaten in front of a
group of people as she turned.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
To them with her big fat lip and said, is
nobody seeing this?
Speaker 2 (40:46):
And apparently nobody was. Hear no evil, see no evil,
speak no.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
Evil, Nancy.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
He keeps dressing up really perverse, horrible, sadistic crimes as
being some better than they are. Oh it's a hotel night.
He does not know that we see in him. What
is really going on all this language. Not only is
it arrogant, it really sanitizes something very very dark. And
(41:17):
you know one other point, when he went into the
other room with Cassie and the sex worker, could hear
him slapping her, beating her? You know, the panel is
talking about this as assault. I thought he was probably
trying to get his direction back. I mean, sadism is
a key component of his arousal pattern. So what are
you going to do if you can't get aroused enough
(41:38):
or you've done it too many times in one night?
You go beat your girlfriend. You beat them as much
as possible and hope other people are listening and that
it gets back on track.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
And now we remember an American hero, Officer Joseph Berson,
Holly Springs, PD, just twenty five killed in a line
of duty, survived by why Mary Kate, American hero twenty
five year old Joseph Berson, Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,
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Nancy Grace
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