June 4, 2025 • 41 mins
Sean “Diddy” Combs has been raking in millions by renting out his private jet to wealthy individuals since he was arrested last September and charged with sex trafficking crimes. LoveAir is being advertised on charter broker sites as Jetty, with Silver Air operating the flights.
However, it’s unknown whether any of the wealthy clientele are aware Diddy is the owner of LoveAir. The 14-seater luxury jet, which was built in 2015, operates out of Van Nuys Airport in Los Angeles.Fan base for Combs climbs as fans take to social media to show their support and claim he is innocent of all charges.
Follow Crime Stories with Nancy Grace for the latest on the Sean "Diddy" Combs sex trafficking trial.
Joining Nancy Grace:
- Greg Morse - Criminal Defense Attorney of Morse Legal, author of “The Untested” found on Amazon
- Dr. Bethany Marshall- Psychoanalyst, Author: "Deal Breaker," and featured in hit show "Paris in Love" on Peacock; Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, X: @DrBethanyLivee
- Dr. Angela Arnold - Psychiatrist, Atlanta, GA. Expert in the Treatment of Pregnant/Postpartum Women, Former Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, Obstetrics and Gynecology: Emory University, Former Medical Director of The Psychiatric Ob-Gyn Clinic at Grady Memorial Hospital
- Tom Smith - Former NYPD Detective for 30 years - Narcotics, Robbery Squad, Gang Investigations - was also assigned to the FBI/NYPD Joint Terrorism Task Force. Co-Host of the GOLD SHIELDS Podcast;FB & Instagram: @thegoldshieldshow
- Brett Brown - Executive director of SASS Go (Surviving Assault Standing Strong) a nonprofit on a mission to eradicate abuse, trafficking and violence against women and girls globally; @sassgoglobal FB, Instagram, Twitter, and TikTok
- Germania Rodriguez - Chief US Reporter, DailyMail.com --- their podcast is called: "The Trial Of Diddy"
- Sydney Sumner - Crime Stories Investigative Reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Has the public been dignified?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Man on the streets reveal overwhelming sentiments that the beatings,
the bribes, the gun threats, the arson, it's all just
a bad relationship between Combs and Cassie Ventura.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Are they crazy? This as we.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Learned, Shawn Combs rakes in over four million dollars since
his arrest. How, I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
Thank you for being with us. How in the hay
is Shawn Cobs raking in over four million dollars since
his arrest? Now he heard about a money making scheme
(00:49):
with Kanye and saw that horrible video of him with
the titanium teeth.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Drooling in the dentist share But it's not that.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
But to the courtroom, joining us an all star panel
to make sense of what we know.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Now, it has been a long day.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
In the courtroom. Straight out to Harmonia Rodriguez. She is
the chief US reporter with dailymail dot com podcast titled
The Trial of Ditty, in which she starts.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Her money and thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
First thing this morning we saw a videographer expert on
the stand.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
What was the point right today?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
First thing, in the morning. A video expert, his name
is Frank Piazza, took the stand for the prosecution and
he said he analyzed cell phone footage, surveillance footage, and
also sex videos. On the stand, he's basically giving these
videos legitimacy because as we know, Didty's attorneys, particularly with
the LA assault twenty sixteen video, they have suggested and
(01:51):
put the idea out there that these videos have been
edited by CNN, they have been sped up. So this
expert was basically there to tell the jury this video
is are legitimate, they have not been messed with, and
you should trust them.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Essentially, you know from the get go straight out to
Greg Morse, joining US veteran criminal defense attorney. He is
the lead partner at Morse Legal and author of the
Untested on Amazon. Greg Morse, I believe there was a
time that you suggested that the Frea Coff videos were
(02:25):
a myth, that they were lore, that they didn't exist. Well,
buckle your seat belt because this expert on the stand
that Harmonia just described is laying the foundation. What does
that mean whenever you bring in a video and audio recording,
really any piece of physical evidence at allbeit drugs or
(02:48):
a picture or an article of clothing. You have to
lay the foundation. I can't just go in and go hey, Judge,
can I bring in these notes?
Speaker 1 (02:56):
No, you have to say.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
You have to have a witness under oath to say
what is the object? What is the exhibit? Where did
it come from? What's the chain of custody? I haven't
been leaving it out on Third Avenue in downtown Manhattan where.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Anybody could change it.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
You've got to show that hasn't been tampered with, and
the chain of custody, who's held it, who's been in
charge of it, is complete. There's not a break in
the chain and what it purports to be that gives
the other side a chance to object on any of
those grounds.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
So it's happening, Morse.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
This is the beginning of the admission into evidence of
the freak Off tapes, which you at one time said
was just a myth that they didn't really exist, as
if it didn't happen, Yes you did.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Well, okay, they can introduce the freak Off videos again.
It doesn't mean sex trafficking and rico happened here, and
testimony yesterday shows that from victim number two so they
can introduce these videos. A lot of people want to
keep their sex lifes. It uh doctors, lawyers, famous people,
these things are not doesn't move the needle to sex
(04:07):
trafficking yet. So they can introduce all the videos they want.
But their core of their indictment is centered around the
domestic abuse video where Miss Ventura is being beaten in
that hotel lobby or hallway by P Diddy. But so
the freak off videos are going to come in. When
are we're going to hear about young people? Whenever we're
(04:27):
going to hear about drugged people.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I know what you're doing. I know what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
First of all, you said, I don't know if these
free cofts really happened, and if they did happen, there's
not a video. Now we've heard testimony about the free
coughs and we're laying the foundation right now. The state
is to introduce those freak off videos. Didn't you just
hear Harmonia Rodriguez say this expert says he is an
(04:53):
expert in is going to address cell phone videos, surveillance videos,
that's the intercontinental beat town and sex tapes.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
What other sex tape? It's got to be the Frea coughs.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
They're coming in to evidence and from what I understand,
straight out to Sydney Sumner joining US Crime Stories investigative
reporter on the case from the beginning, Like Harmonia, Sydney,
these are not all consenting adults and engaging in an
orgy or group sex. I guess the new term would
(05:28):
be polyamorous. That's not what the state is alleging, Sydney.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
Absolutely not Nancy. They're alleging that these women or men
or all participants who may or may not have been adults.
We've seen many minor allegations come out in lawsuits, but
SDNY is not specifically arguing that Colme's targeted miners. Anyways.
(05:53):
The state, the government is claiming that these victims were
co worced in one way, shape or another, whether that
was by financial control, blackmail, the threat or follow through
of physical violence. Paulms used Wardon to get what he
wanted to get, these sex parties, these freak offs. This
(06:17):
was not something that somebody wanted and actively was interested
in doing.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I mean, Greg Morse, I don't know, are you deaf,
dumb and blind? Didn't you hear the testimony that when
Cassie Ventura was getting beaten in the hallway of the
Intercontinental and dragged back.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
It was dragged back to a room.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Where she was being coerced into having sex with a
sex worker, and she was trying to run away making
up testimony matual sex.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
All you're doing is making up testimony. I I'm right,
That's what I am. Because so far the prosecution hasn't
produced any testimony that says victim number one or victim
number two were coerce or forced or through fraud. This
is you know, people made choices in this situation from
their own mouth. Miss Ventura testified from her own mouth. Yeah,
(07:11):
I didn't always like the freak offs, but I did them.
You had another witness, Okay, Miss Ventor paid me for
the freak off. Again, things are being shoved in under
a criminal indictment to things that people do. We may
look at it and say, I would never do that.
I want to be inoved in that. But she viewed
the edge of people.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Sidney Summer joining us from crime stories, Sydney. Isn't it
true that cas Eventior testified that she was being dragged
back to the room and what was happening in the
room Number one and number two, isn't it true when
the security guard who we see in the video went
back to the room, he sees another guy in there,
(07:53):
that's the sex worker.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
That's correct, Nancy. So that's what we heard from Israel,
Forrest and Kaffy about that situation. Morez claimed that there
was another man in the room, and he didn't make
any note of that man being in the room because
he was not directly involved in Sean Comb's in Cassy's altercation,
So he left that out of his incident reports about
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the situation because he was irrelevant at the time. But
now coming back to testimony, combined with what Cassy Ventura
said on the stand, that becomes incredibly important because it
backs up the fact that she said she was running
away from a freak off.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
So Morris, do you think Sidney Sumner, she doesn't have
a dog in the fight and his skin in the game,
you think she's lying?
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Hold on.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Harmonia Rodriguez is with us from Daily Mail, the biggest
website in the world for news. Harmonia, isn't it true
that Cassie Ventura stated she was dragged back into that room.
She did not want to have sex with the other guy?
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Correct?
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Not only in that is incident, was not the only
time that she said she was dragged back by Ditty. Securities,
particularly someone by the name of de Rock has been
mentioned a lot Christina Koram people. Even when she actually
managed to get away, Ditty's employees would call her and
try to convince her to come back. She also said
she was threatened that the sex videos would be released.
(09:20):
These are all claims by Cassie that the prosecution is
using to back up the sex trafficking claims.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
So, Greg Morre, do you think it's just a big
conspiracy between me and Sidney Sumner and Harmonia Rodriguez. In fact,
you know, I think the Daily Meal may be behind
it too. We're all trying to trick you about Cassie
Ventiro's testimony.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
I said she was.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Dragged back into that room to have non consensual sex
with a sex workerrent.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
So to gives inconsistent statements. There's a conflict in the evidence,
clearly because she said it was consensual many times, and
when the jury is charged at the end of it
still told Nancy, you know they're going to be told
what reasonable doubt is conflicting the evidence?
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yes, I know that's testimony. You know what Pat is, Mike,
I can't take it anymore. That was not her testimony.
Let Greg Morris sit in the corner and think about
what he has done to doctor Bethany Marshall.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Doctor Bethany, when you see.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
What the man on the streets are saying, what people
are actually saying.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
It's just like Greg Morre's. She didn't say that. That
didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
And another thing regarding consensual sex, being drugged out of
your gourd does not consent.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Mate.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us renowned psychoalyst out of the
Beverly Hills jurisdiction. She is the author of deal Breaker.
You can see her now on Peacock and you can
find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Hit at Bethany,
that is not consent.
Speaker 6 (10:55):
I'm sorry, but this idea that Cassie and Mia and
all of these men consented is stupid and naive. It
speaks to a deeply sexist society. And I'm sorry, Greg,
but your comments are so sexist they do not reflect
the reality of the situation, and that is that these
women were terrified, they were stripped of their resources when
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they wrote anything positive in a text or email towards sheep.
P didty is because they were placating him. They were
terrified he would give them things and then take them away.
He blackmailed Cassy Ventura's own parents. They mortgaged their house
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to the tune of twenty thousand dollars to protect their daughter.
They sent the twenty thousand dollars and then piece Ditty's
people sent it back. This is such such evidence of
the fact of coercion of sex slavery. It may it
may be on a more dramatic, wealthy level, but this
is no different from twelve year olds on the street
(12:04):
who feel like they cannot get away from their captors.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Why are you rolling your eyes, Greg Morris? Because I
saw that again.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
You're You're all you're doing is.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Hey, you really really beat off isolating.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
You're isolating minor parts of testimony. Let's talk about me
as testimony. The only thing she was general.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Wight about you said.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Went back into that hotel room willingly for consensual sex.
I mean, you are a lying eyes for feat's sake,
Drag back, Nancy.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
You're simply isolating testimony and chet taking in earth.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
It's not one it's not one. That's the point. There
isn't just one.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Mia.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Okay, So you're telling me when.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
You're negotiating your severance you were sexually assaulted in sex traffic.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
You don't bring that talking. Continue to text it. I'm talking.
Speaker 7 (12:58):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
You say, hey, don't listen to look over here, don't
listen to the facts aren't real.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
And that's what's happening, But not sex Now.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Doctor Bethany's and on the big conspiracy to hoodwink great.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Hearing it. Why won't it go away?
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Executive director of Surviving Assault Standing Strong. It is a
nonprofit to eradicate sex abuse and trafficking.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Okay, Brett, see what I mean.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
It's like, you know, the myth of the poor guy
pushing the rock, the huge rock up the hill, and
he gets to the top and it rolls back down.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
That is his sentence for life.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
He's got to go back down to the bottom of
the hill and push the rock back up the hill,
this huge boulder and he gets it to the top
of the hill and it rolls back down again. That's
what I feel like right now talking about sex abuse,
rape free costs.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
What happened to Cassie.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
I mean, think about it, time after time after time
being forced and coerced or else you're gonna get beaten,
or else you're gonna lose your job, or I'm gonna
take your place, your car, your watch, your cell phone.
Now get back in there. I mean the stigma attached
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to rape victims and what people are saying about these ladies.
It's a never ending battle. Every night, I'm pushing that
back up the hill. Why is it so difficult for
people to accept these women were forced into free coughs?
Speaker 8 (14:54):
Well, I think Greg did a great job of representing
that side of things by calling Cassie Ventura a minor
piece of testimony when you are talking about a full
human being, and he took all that and boiled it
down and called it a minor piece of testimony. Women
(15:16):
are crucified for not coming forward immediately, and people say,
if it was really that bad, why didn't you say anything?
But when they do, people say, well, that's just a
minor thing. This was just a bad relationship. So they're
in a lose lose situation when they're on their own.
And so the fact that there is some support and
(15:36):
you've got person after person coming forward and saying, I'm
living in this cycle a force, fraud and coercion, and
so I did what I had to do to stay alive.
I'm not sure what's so hard to understand about that.
I think the only thing that we can truly extrapolate
is they're scene is less than human.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
He's talking about you again, Morse, and again.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Everybody forgets this is a court of law. This is
not something we're talking about on some gossip show. The
prosecution has to prove elements again. Sex traffic victims, You're
missing the key element here.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
They tend to.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Be one locked into where they are. I've had the cases.
The locks are backwards. If someone escapes the window, they're harmed.
None of that happened here, That's all anyone is saying.
That's looking at the testimony.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Some of them were harmed.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Could you show him the shoved of that gash on
Cassie traffic. None of them were harm you hear mestimying
about he shoved her and hit her.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Testimony her arm please me.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
A's testimony was I'm upset that I didn't get please.
Speaker 9 (16:47):
The main parts of her testimony were without details, without
it wasn't a thousand dollars. You read, you read to me.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
If nothing has happened, if.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
You're mediating your severance, if you're media aiding your employment,
and you honestly believe you were sexually assaulted, don't think
you're going to bring it up at that time. This
is not delayed reporting. These are not I understand that completely.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Why do you come I'm trying, Cassie. How much did
you pay her twenty or thirty million.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Million? Okay to shut up? And paid Maya a half
a million dollars? Not you're talking to Okay? You know
what sade.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
In one segment, traffic guy Tom Smith joining me, Thank
you Lord in Heaven for the Mike cutting power. Tom
Smith joining me for my NYPD detective thirty years on
the Street now, star of the gold Shields podcast. Can
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you just be straight, cut through all the noise and
describe how rape victims are very often recalcitrant to come
forward or they won't come forward because they fear exactly
what's happening right now?
Speaker 7 (18:16):
Well, you just said the word fear, fear, power, control.
It's a mind game, and that's what Diddy preyed on.
It does have to be physical, in which case in
some of the instances it was. It is about power
and control and making sure that he has them under
their thumb, whether it's their career, whether it's their safety,
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whether it's anyone around their safety. This is a power
trip that Sean Comb's perpetrated to make people that normally
wann't participate in certain acts, forcing them to do that
through fear, control and power.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
I want you to take a look at how the
public has been dittified, take a look look at what's
happening on TikTok.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
What's up everybody.
Speaker 8 (19:02):
I'm just want to come out and tell you, guys,
I believe Pete Diddy is innocent.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
He is innocent.
Speaker 7 (19:08):
They need to let this name go.
Speaker 6 (19:09):
They need to let him free. He ain't got nothing
to do.
Speaker 8 (19:12):
What what y'all talk about.
Speaker 10 (19:14):
Well, one, we got to look at these women down here.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
They're desperate.
Speaker 8 (19:17):
They're desperate.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
That's from Osra Ahmad on TikTok, Brett Brown. The resistance
to believing female victims is incredible, especially from women.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
It is.
Speaker 8 (19:31):
It's fascinating to me.
Speaker 11 (19:33):
We see a pattern of two things. Either one from
people not being able to imagine that things like that
happen because we're actually really hopeful creatures and we want
the world to be better than it is. But then
for those who accept that these things happen, they always
say to themselves, oh, I would never do that, I
would never allow that to happen. But that is a
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general lack of understanding the nature of abusive relationships and
the and the time that goes into building them before
the abuse ever starts. So really, when you see something
like that, there's of course the obvious kind of judgment
and hypocrisy from somebody with no understanding of what abuse
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is about, but also just a general lack of information
of how these relationships play out and go from a
relationship straight to abuse.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Right, Okay, that's just a tiny taste of what is happening,
how the public has been dedified.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Listen to this so far. I'm not gonna lie to you.
It just sounds like a bad relationship to me.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Yes, d V Yes, terrible choice and how you treat
your partner.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
That's from Taliche on TikTok.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Okay, doctor Bethany Marshall, help me out. I mean, if
women are not supporting the women victims, we're all screwed.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
When these TikTokers watch the trial or whatever's leaking out
about the trial, they're going to either identify with the
perpetrator or the victim. That's what happens in trials like this.
Everybody picks their horse.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Now.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Of course the TikTokers, we are showing we don't know
them and we know nothing about them. They haven't been
charged with anything except maybe not knowing what's going on
in the courtroom. Hey, let's watch another when we've seen
two women, got any men out there?
Speaker 12 (21:29):
So people, how you feel about being about the deeding
watching cask recording?
Speaker 6 (21:36):
I watched porn.
Speaker 12 (21:37):
He was watching porn just live and he's probably make
a lot of money if he actually used those tapes.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
And y'all all can.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Make some money, Okay, Greg Morris, that's at Bama Boy
Roy to fifty one on TikTok. Did you see that
look in his eyes when he goes I watched porn. Sure,
and he's talking so much money Sean comes can make
by doing porn. I mean, I guess he's suggesting just
clicking on TV instead of what beating women into creating porn?
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Is that what he's trying to say no.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Well, again, that's what you're doing. You're you're, you're, you're
conflating a lot of different things here. These people aren't
necessarily wrong with the testimony that they've heard, because this
is not whether you're picking a side of Diddy or
Miss Ventura. This is did the facts support the charges
in a quarter of law beyond into the exclusion of
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all reasonable doubts. But and the irony of that Alabama
video with the porn is that did he made all
his money with the artist singing in the background, Notorious Big.
That's why this isn't sex trafficking. That's why this isn't
a rico. There's a real business here. And these people
aren't necessarily wrong with the testimony they've heard. They're not
this is there's crime.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
I don't mean they've heard any testimony. I don't think
they've heard any testimony. The first person is saying it's
just a bad relationship.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Okay, let's hear more pre Diddy from them.
Speaker 10 (23:01):
Cassie charges, bro, this is a load of man.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
Believe me.
Speaker 10 (23:04):
Want to tell you can find a lot of stuff
out them into them on for men both. Cassie, we've
got to leave that alone, because when I originally seen him,
like your book and I'm put them under the prison, right,
But then she took the money, she said, okay, so
she values money once she does justice.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Right now, that's at the bro Ski talks. Okay, doctor
Bethany Marshall, I believe he referred to the States case
as a load of not a technical legal term.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
So bottom line, they've all been didified. I pray to
God nobody like them is on the jury. See that's
the thing.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
These all look like fairly attractive people, normal people.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Some of them are articulate.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
You could put them on the jury and not have
any idea what they're really thinking. Right now we are
learning that apparently the public has been didified. So many
people are not hearing what the witnesses are saying and
are convinced that this is all just about a bad
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relationship between Shawncolmbs and Cassie Ventura.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
There was a major outburst in the.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Courtroom, the kind of thing, the stuff that mistrials are
made of.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Thank Heaven, the jury.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Wasn't there when this woman threw a fit and had
to be dragged out of the courtroom by armed guards.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
What happened straight out to her money. Rodriguez joining us
from Daily Mail. What happened? That's right, Nancy.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
We had our first major disruption at the trial this
week when one of Didny's supporters started yelling in court, Diddy,
they're laughing at you in every courtroom.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
That's not nice.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Now, did he turned around and appeared to NodD along
to what the woman was saying before the judge threw
her out. Now, this happened the same week that The
Washington Post reported that in the overflow room, DIDNY supporters
had been heckling witness testimony by alleged victim Mia and
also egging on his lawyers, which, of course, this is
not behavior that is usually allowed in overflow rooms and courtrooms.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Sidney Sumner joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter. What was
the woman screaming in court?
Speaker 5 (25:11):
Nancy? It was all over the place. One of the
things that she said that set out there, these mf
ers are laughing at you, Diddy. So she was supporting him.
She felt like the media was making fun of him
and is dragging him down, and maybe even that he's
being wrongfully prosecuted in the first place. So Holmes's space
(25:35):
completely dropped. He was very, very surprised by this. His
job was on the floor as this was happening until
she was removed from the courtroom.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
You know, Greg Morris is veteran trial lawyer at Morse Legal.
That is the stuff mistrials are made of. Any outburst
in the courtroom, even though she was supporting Sean Comb's right,
crazy loud rant had been dragged out of the courtroom.
But any disturbance or outbursts like that in the courtroom
(26:08):
can result in a mistrial.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
I mean, I've seen cases.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Where jurors coming into the courthouse saw somebody holding up
a placard so and so's innocent, or so and so
did it, and that became grounds for a mistrial, much
less an outburst right in.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
The courtroom with the jury.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
If the jury had been there, I guarantee you there
would have been a motion for a mistrial.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
There would have been because the defense obviously looks for
any opportunity to do that. And you're one hundred percent right,
outbursts in the courtroom can really affect the trial. So now,
usually when it happens once, the judge should get control
of that and if he have to clear the courtroom
for the rest of the trial. He has the grounds
to do it now. It doesn't need to be open
to the public. So he has a reason and he
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should because you don't want to waste the resources in
time of this long in trial only to have to
do it again. Those things can absolutely create a mistrial.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Well with that, I.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Agree with you on that, Greg Morris, because the defense
has worked night and day, the state has worked night
and day to present the case, and then with one
unpredicted outburst, it's all down the shoot and you have
to start all over, the jury.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Selection, the everything.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
It's really bad for the state because the defense then
has their exact playbook, everything they're going to do with
each witness, and it gives them more yeah, more time
to prepare cross exams, more time to beef up their
response to those witnesses. Yes, at the beginning, the state
has to hand over all the witnesses and in some
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jurisdictions a summary of their testimony.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Their address is how to reach them.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
If it's a scientific evidence expert, you have to give
the scientific report, like if it's about drugs, this videographer,
this video expert, his CV, his resume, what he's going
to say, his education, everything, has to be handed over
to start with.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
If the thing that the state doesn't have to.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Hand over is their work product, their tactics of how
they're going to use each witness to achieve what so,
if there's a.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Mistrial, the defense already has their.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Whole playbook, everything they plan to do with each witness
and did so it's a it's a huge, huge problem
for the state.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
I'm just going to rumor.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
You said that you thought Diddy was gonna be found
not guilty.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Is that true? Did you say, Oh my.
Speaker 13 (28:40):
God, I'm about to I'm about to have a debate
with nasies.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
On you man, I'm in three inches up your tailpod.
Did you say he was gonna get acquitted? Because I
think you did.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
No.
Speaker 13 (28:52):
I also said that I think he will be acquitted
faster than what people think, because I think this is
a circus act and I think he.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Acquitted and faster.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Okay, Okay, that's for my friend Harvey Levin over at TMZ,
and that's airing on to b us versus Seawan Combs.
Now even ray J is piling on. Has he been
listening to the evidence? He goes on and I'll play
for you in just a moment. Yeah, he's been didified,
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just so that has a leaked to the jury. This
as we learn Seawann Combs has raked in over four
million dollars since he was arrested.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Send me some aur crime stories, investigative reporter.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
How Diddy has made all of this money from renting
out his golfstream size fifty Love Air. So even while
he is sitting behind bars at the NDC, his plane
is still making him money from chartered flights. It's made
about one hundred and twenty six trips since he's been arrested.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
It is a sixty million dollars private g to high
end travelers, and it's a very lucrative side hustle for
Shawn Comes. We're learning his defense is costing millions and
tens of millions of dollars. The jet is equipped with
fourteen seats, range of nearly seven thousand miles. It's called
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did You Say Love Air, and it's rented out by
an operator called Silver Air that operates the flights and
builds the jet as part of a comprehensive fleet of
luxury air craft. It is a black colored plane on
celebrity charter broker sites like Jetty and nobody knows. The
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people that rent it have no clue that it is
owned by Sean Comes. This is what I recommend for
all of you jet renters. You better get one of
these now. Again, when you don't know a horse, look
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at his track record. Now, I want you to listen
to this and ask yourself, is there any way Sean
Combs could resist becoming a.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Member of the Mile High Club.
Speaker 12 (31:16):
Listen Friedrich Zimour, the manager of Les Air Mettage Hotel
in Beverly Hills, discuss Shawn Combs's history of reservations. Combs
opened an account in two thousand and six, but three
years later the name was changed to Jackie Starr, then
Frank White, then Frank Black, and Ryan Lopez. The notes
stayed the same. Number one monitor outside the room to
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spray air freshener. Number two place the room out of
order upon departure for deep cleaning. Always spills candlewax on
everything and uses excessive amounts of oil. And number three
please authorize an extra one thousand dollars at check in
to cover room damages.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Air freshener.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Okay, Greg Morris, sprating some glade on that sofa is
not gonna help a thing. Are you seriously you've r
in his jet? You better get one of these morse.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Listen, this is my dig run Hugh Kills the germs Nancy.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
He's on trial for sex trafficking, and he has a
plane called love Air. You can't make this stuff up.
I mean, there's no way you can fictionally write this.
And the poetry of this ridiculousness that the lifestyle take
a look.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
At Cassie Venture's fat lip and call it poetry again.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Talking about Diddy's life and his plane and putting love
Air on it. Defendants aren't that bright sometimes, and clearly
he's not.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
But uh the uh did?
Speaker 4 (32:48):
He still not sex trafficking though, I still don't know
where you're getting that from. But hey, uh you know,
we'll see at the end of.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
This man on topic.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
You know what, Let me give you some adderall to
get you like folks us in to you, Bethany Marshall.
This is in his notes at the hotel, Like when
he walks in the door, they go get an extra
ground monitor outside of room to spray air freshener who
place the room out of order upon departure for deep
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cleaning always is in all caps, spills candle wax on everything,
and uses excessive, excessive amounts of oil and authorize an
extra thousand dollars at check in to cover room damages. Now,
we you and I have talked many times about habit evidence,
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routine evidence. If he's trashing every hotel room where they
have to go in and spray laid on it.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
What do you think he's doing to love Air? You
think you're gonna go send on one of those cushions.
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Look, they have to bring in a whole Dixie dumpster
to clean out his room, and he is I'm renting
this jet out. How much did you say, Sidy? How
much is one flight on his jet?
Speaker 5 (34:04):
At least forty thousand dollars?
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Forty thousand dollars to sit on one of those stanky cushions, Faciny, I.
Speaker 6 (34:12):
Can just tell you my celebrity patients and my Beverly
Hills office would be horrified to know that that's what
they're sitting on. But on a more serious note, Nancy,
this is one more very disturbing example of people accommodating
to celebrity PDD. He got everybody to accommodate to him.
A thousand dollars is not enough at Hermitage to repair
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room damage. It's just not that that facility or that
hotel is near my office. It is very high end.
It has a beautiful cocktail bar on the roof. Cocktails
cost fifty dollars more off there. Okay, well not anymore.
But they're accommodating to him, just like everybody else does.
Hey what instead of deep cleaning, how about just checking
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for trace evidence of blood? I mean, crimes occurred in
that room.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
So the fact that these.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
Are in the notes really minimizes the severity of the
destruction to women, which is what we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Today Crime stories with Nancy Grace Tom Smith joining me
NYPD thirty years on the NYPD FBI Joint Terrorism Task
Force at the Gooldshield Show dot com. Tom on I
(35:38):
learned this in the DA's office, prosecuting so many heinous crimes,
crimes that I would wake up in the night with
night terrors for over ten years, and it lasted long
after that from the cases that I investigated and tried,
and sometimes you just have to have something to crack
a smile.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
And doctor Bethany's we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Love air and my Ditty want, and.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
That's not what this case is about.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
But sometimes when I look at those pictures of Cassie
and I hear the testimony and I see her getting
beaten in the hallway, it can be overwhelming because this
kind of attack on women is happening all across the world,
every single day, every single minute, and people are ditified.
They don't want to believe it.
Speaker 13 (36:28):
Tom.
Speaker 7 (36:29):
Yeah, and you know what, You're never going to convince
a percentage of the people out there listening to this case,
no matter what is said, no matter what's presented, no
matter what anyone reports on, there's going to be a
percentage of people that think this is all just driven
to get Ditty and for what, you know, what would
be the motive of just getting Sean Combs. There's victims
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here that have to be explained and have to be
come to the forefront and defended. And this is what
this case is doing. You know, there's so many more
victims out there probably that they couldn't convince to come
in and testify or give a statement about. And all
of those people are all part of this as well.
This has to the accountability has to be seen by
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Sean Combs wherever it happened.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
I just I just feel like I say you at
the sentencing, my friend, Wow, hey, ray J welcome right.
Speaker 13 (37:23):
I love this and I love you Nancy, but I
have to disagree because I think that this is the
most wildest case of like sexual conversation, right, dirty fire
pipes and like the punisher and like you know, everything
else that goes with this.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
It's all.
Speaker 13 (37:43):
It's a very dirty situation, and I feel like it's
becoming a circus act for stuff that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
For what did he's being charged for.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Joining me Brett Brown, executive director Surviving Assault, Standing Strong,
dedicated to ending sex attacks and sex trafficking on women.
By the way, that was from our friend Harvey Levin,
my longtime friend over at TMZ, and that airs on
to b. It's usv. Seawan Combs is the name of it,
you know, Brett. I think people don't understand the dynamic
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of rape and.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Abuse, and they shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
I'm glad they don't because that means that violent crime
has not touched their lives. I think that they're living
with blinders on. I mean, I had no idea about
a world of violent crime until my fiance was murdered
and I became a felony prosecutor. So it's really almost
insurmountable to explain what it really is.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
But this is not a circus. This is real. This
is what happened to these women.
Speaker 8 (38:49):
What the prosecution is going to have to do throughout
this trial is showing the ups and downs. The nature
of abusive relationships is that they start where and feel respected,
loved and seen like they're on a pedestal, right, and
everyone wants that in their lives. But the difference between
healthy and unhealthy is that in these abusive relationships, they
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go from feeling like they're on a pedestal to like
they're under a spotlight. And if they don't perform, then
there are consequences, and those consequences continue to grow. And
we have to make that really evident that it is
a situation that starts with love and devotion and ends
with fear of violence and being trapped, you know.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Thomas Smith, following up on what Brett Brown just said,
I tell the story earlier. It's actually a myth about
Sisyphus pushing the huge boulder up the heel of Haydes
day after day after day, and they're seeing it roll
back down. Tom, do you ever get tired or exhausted
of trying, of just screaming the same thing over and
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over about what women are endearing.
Speaker 7 (39:55):
Yeah, it happens a lot because of attitudes like that
of putting victims on trial. And we had to deal
with it a lot in any other crime, not just rap.
You know a lot of crimes, robberies and so forth.
But on a detective level, you took an oath, and
you take a deep breath, and you go at it
as hard as you can for the victims. Yes, you
(40:16):
want to get the bad guys, you want to get
those responsible to pay the price, But inevitably, at the end,
you were doing this for the victims out there. And
that's what counts, and that's what on the minds of
detectives and investigators and US attorneys who are bringing this
case forward. It's about the victims of this case.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
We stop and remember American hero Deputy Sheriff Anthony Tate,
Grandee County Sheriffs shot in the line of duty. Lee's
behind wife Crystal and five children. American hero Anthony
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Tate Nancy Grace signing off good wife, friend
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Has the public been dignified?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Man on the streets reveal overwhelming sentiments that the beatings,
the bribes, the gun threats, the arson, it's all just
a bad relationship between Combs and Cassie Ventura.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Are they crazy? This as we.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Learned, Shawn Combs rakes in over four million dollars since
his arrest. How, I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
Thank you for being with us. How in the hay
is Shawn Cobs raking in over four million dollars since
his arrest? Now he heard about a money making scheme
(00:49):
with Kanye and saw that horrible video of him with
the titanium teeth.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Drooling in the dentist share But it's not that.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
But to the courtroom, joining us an all star panel
to make sense of what we know.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Now, it has been a long day.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
In the courtroom. Straight out to Harmonia Rodriguez. She is
the chief US reporter with dailymail dot com podcast titled
The Trial of Ditty, in which she starts.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Her money and thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
First thing this morning we saw a videographer expert on
the stand.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
What was the point right today?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
First thing, in the morning. A video expert, his name
is Frank Piazza, took the stand for the prosecution and
he said he analyzed cell phone footage, surveillance footage, and
also sex videos. On the stand, he's basically giving these
videos legitimacy because as we know, Didty's attorneys, particularly with
the LA assault twenty sixteen video, they have suggested and
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put the idea out there that these videos have been
edited by CNN, they have been sped up. So this
expert was basically there to tell the jury this video
is are legitimate, they have not been messed with, and
you should trust them.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Essentially, you know from the get go straight out to
Greg Morse, joining US veteran criminal defense attorney. He is
the lead partner at Morse Legal and author of the
Untested on Amazon. Greg Morse, I believe there was a
time that you suggested that the Frea Coff videos were
(02:25):
a myth, that they were lore, that they didn't exist. Well,
buckle your seat belt because this expert on the stand
that Harmonia just described is laying the foundation. What does
that mean whenever you bring in a video and audio recording,
really any piece of physical evidence at allbeit drugs or
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a picture or an article of clothing. You have to
lay the foundation. I can't just go in and go hey, Judge,
can I bring in these notes?
Speaker 1 (02:56):
No, you have to say.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
You have to have a witness under oath to say
what is the object? What is the exhibit? Where did
it come from? What's the chain of custody? I haven't
been leaving it out on Third Avenue in downtown Manhattan where.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Anybody could change it.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
You've got to show that hasn't been tampered with, and
the chain of custody, who's held it, who's been in
charge of it, is complete. There's not a break in
the chain and what it purports to be that gives
the other side a chance to object on any of
those grounds.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
So it's happening, Morse.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
This is the beginning of the admission into evidence of
the freak Off tapes, which you at one time said
was just a myth that they didn't really exist, as
if it didn't happen, Yes you did.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Well, okay, they can introduce the freak Off videos again.
It doesn't mean sex trafficking and rico happened here, and
testimony yesterday shows that from victim number two so they
can introduce these videos. A lot of people want to
keep their sex lifes. It uh doctors, lawyers, famous people,
these things are not doesn't move the needle to sex
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trafficking yet. So they can introduce all the videos they want.
But their core of their indictment is centered around the
domestic abuse video where Miss Ventura is being beaten in
that hotel lobby or hallway by P Diddy. But so
the freak off videos are going to come in. When
are we're going to hear about young people? Whenever we're
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going to hear about drugged people.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I know what you're doing. I know what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
First of all, you said, I don't know if these
free cofts really happened, and if they did happen, there's
not a video. Now we've heard testimony about the free
coughs and we're laying the foundation right now. The state
is to introduce those freak off videos. Didn't you just
hear Harmonia Rodriguez say this expert says he is an
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expert in is going to address cell phone videos, surveillance videos,
that's the intercontinental beat town and sex tapes.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
What other sex tape? It's got to be the Frea coughs.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
They're coming in to evidence and from what I understand,
straight out to Sydney Sumner joining US Crime Stories investigative
reporter on the case from the beginning, Like Harmonia, Sydney,
these are not all consenting adults and engaging in an
orgy or group sex. I guess the new term would
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be polyamorous. That's not what the state is alleging, Sydney.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
Absolutely not Nancy. They're alleging that these women or men
or all participants who may or may not have been adults.
We've seen many minor allegations come out in lawsuits, but
SDNY is not specifically arguing that Colme's targeted miners. Anyways.
(05:53):
The state, the government is claiming that these victims were
co worced in one way, shape or another, whether that
was by financial control, blackmail, the threat or follow through
of physical violence. Paulms used Wardon to get what he
wanted to get, these sex parties, these freak offs. This
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was not something that somebody wanted and actively was interested
in doing.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I mean, Greg Morse, I don't know, are you deaf,
dumb and blind? Didn't you hear the testimony that when
Cassie Ventura was getting beaten in the hallway of the
Intercontinental and dragged back.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
It was dragged back to a room.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Where she was being coerced into having sex with a
sex worker, and she was trying to run away making
up testimony matual sex.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
All you're doing is making up testimony. I I'm right,
That's what I am. Because so far the prosecution hasn't
produced any testimony that says victim number one or victim
number two were coerce or forced or through fraud. This
is you know, people made choices in this situation from
their own mouth. Miss Ventura testified from her own mouth. Yeah,
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I didn't always like the freak offs, but I did them.
You had another witness, Okay, Miss Ventor paid me for
the freak off. Again, things are being shoved in under
a criminal indictment to things that people do. We may
look at it and say, I would never do that.
I want to be inoved in that. But she viewed
the edge of people.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Sidney Summer joining us from crime stories, Sydney. Isn't it
true that cas Eventior testified that she was being dragged
back to the room and what was happening in the
room Number one and number two, isn't it true when
the security guard who we see in the video went
back to the room, he sees another guy in there,
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that's the sex worker.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
That's correct, Nancy. So that's what we heard from Israel,
Forrest and Kaffy about that situation. Morez claimed that there
was another man in the room, and he didn't make
any note of that man being in the room because
he was not directly involved in Sean Comb's in Cassy's altercation,
So he left that out of his incident reports about
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the situation because he was irrelevant at the time. But
now coming back to testimony, combined with what Cassy Ventura
said on the stand, that becomes incredibly important because it
backs up the fact that she said she was running
away from a freak off.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
So Morris, do you think Sidney Sumner, she doesn't have
a dog in the fight and his skin in the game,
you think she's lying?
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Hold on.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Harmonia Rodriguez is with us from Daily Mail, the biggest
website in the world for news. Harmonia, isn't it true
that Cassie Ventura stated she was dragged back into that room.
She did not want to have sex with the other guy?
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Correct?
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Not only in that is incident, was not the only
time that she said she was dragged back by Ditty. Securities,
particularly someone by the name of de Rock has been
mentioned a lot Christina Koram people. Even when she actually
managed to get away, Ditty's employees would call her and
try to convince her to come back. She also said
she was threatened that the sex videos would be released.
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These are all claims by Cassie that the prosecution is
using to back up the sex trafficking claims.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
So, Greg Morre, do you think it's just a big
conspiracy between me and Sidney Sumner and Harmonia Rodriguez. In fact,
you know, I think the Daily Meal may be behind
it too. We're all trying to trick you about Cassie
Ventiro's testimony.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
I said she was.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Dragged back into that room to have non consensual sex
with a sex workerrent.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
So to gives inconsistent statements. There's a conflict in the evidence,
clearly because she said it was consensual many times, and
when the jury is charged at the end of it
still told Nancy, you know they're going to be told
what reasonable doubt is conflicting the evidence?
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yes, I know that's testimony. You know what Pat is, Mike,
I can't take it anymore. That was not her testimony.
Let Greg Morris sit in the corner and think about
what he has done to doctor Bethany Marshall.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Doctor Bethany, when you see.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
What the man on the streets are saying, what people
are actually saying.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
It's just like Greg Morre's. She didn't say that. That
didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
And another thing regarding consensual sex, being drugged out of
your gourd does not consent.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Mate.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us renowned psychoalyst out of the
Beverly Hills jurisdiction. She is the author of deal Breaker.
You can see her now on Peacock and you can
find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Hit at Bethany,
that is not consent.
Speaker 6 (10:55):
I'm sorry, but this idea that Cassie and Mia and
all of these men consented is stupid and naive. It
speaks to a deeply sexist society. And I'm sorry, Greg,
but your comments are so sexist they do not reflect
the reality of the situation, and that is that these
women were terrified, they were stripped of their resources when
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they wrote anything positive in a text or email towards sheep.
P didty is because they were placating him. They were
terrified he would give them things and then take them away.
He blackmailed Cassy Ventura's own parents. They mortgaged their house
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to the tune of twenty thousand dollars to protect their daughter.
They sent the twenty thousand dollars and then piece Ditty's
people sent it back. This is such such evidence of
the fact of coercion of sex slavery. It may it
may be on a more dramatic, wealthy level, but this
is no different from twelve year olds on the street
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who feel like they cannot get away from their captors.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Why are you rolling your eyes, Greg Morris? Because I
saw that again.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
You're You're all you're doing is.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Hey, you really really beat off isolating.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
You're isolating minor parts of testimony. Let's talk about me
as testimony. The only thing she was general.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Wight about you said.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Went back into that hotel room willingly for consensual sex.
I mean, you are a lying eyes for feat's sake,
Drag back, Nancy.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
You're simply isolating testimony and chet taking in earth.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
It's not one it's not one. That's the point. There
isn't just one.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Mia.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Okay, So you're telling me when.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
You're negotiating your severance you were sexually assaulted in sex traffic.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
You don't bring that talking. Continue to text it. I'm talking.
Speaker 7 (12:58):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
You say, hey, don't listen to look over here, don't
listen to the facts aren't real.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
And that's what's happening, But not sex Now.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Doctor Bethany's and on the big conspiracy to hoodwink great.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Hearing it. Why won't it go away?
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Executive director of Surviving Assault Standing Strong. It is a
nonprofit to eradicate sex abuse and trafficking.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Okay, Brett, see what I mean.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
It's like, you know, the myth of the poor guy
pushing the rock, the huge rock up the hill, and
he gets to the top and it rolls back down.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
That is his sentence for life.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
He's got to go back down to the bottom of
the hill and push the rock back up the hill,
this huge boulder and he gets it to the top
of the hill and it rolls back down again. That's
what I feel like right now talking about sex abuse,
rape free costs.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
What happened to Cassie.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
I mean, think about it, time after time after time
being forced and coerced or else you're gonna get beaten,
or else you're gonna lose your job, or I'm gonna
take your place, your car, your watch, your cell phone.
Now get back in there. I mean the stigma attached
(14:34):
to rape victims and what people are saying about these ladies.
It's a never ending battle. Every night, I'm pushing that
back up the hill. Why is it so difficult for
people to accept these women were forced into free coughs?
Speaker 8 (14:54):
Well, I think Greg did a great job of representing
that side of things by calling Cassie Ventura a minor
piece of testimony when you are talking about a full
human being, and he took all that and boiled it
down and called it a minor piece of testimony. Women
(15:16):
are crucified for not coming forward immediately, and people say,
if it was really that bad, why didn't you say anything?
But when they do, people say, well, that's just a
minor thing. This was just a bad relationship. So they're
in a lose lose situation when they're on their own.
And so the fact that there is some support and
(15:36):
you've got person after person coming forward and saying, I'm
living in this cycle a force, fraud and coercion, and
so I did what I had to do to stay alive.
I'm not sure what's so hard to understand about that.
I think the only thing that we can truly extrapolate
is they're scene is less than human.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
He's talking about you again, Morse, and again.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Everybody forgets this is a court of law. This is
not something we're talking about on some gossip show. The
prosecution has to prove elements again. Sex traffic victims, You're
missing the key element here.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
They tend to.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Be one locked into where they are. I've had the cases.
The locks are backwards. If someone escapes the window, they're harmed.
None of that happened here, That's all anyone is saying.
That's looking at the testimony.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Some of them were harmed.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Could you show him the shoved of that gash on
Cassie traffic. None of them were harm you hear mestimying
about he shoved her and hit her.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Testimony her arm please me.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
A's testimony was I'm upset that I didn't get please.
Speaker 9 (16:47):
The main parts of her testimony were without details, without
it wasn't a thousand dollars. You read, you read to me.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
If nothing has happened, if.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
You're mediating your severance, if you're media aiding your employment,
and you honestly believe you were sexually assaulted, don't think
you're going to bring it up at that time. This
is not delayed reporting. These are not I understand that completely.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Why do you come I'm trying, Cassie. How much did
you pay her twenty or thirty million.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Million? Okay to shut up? And paid Maya a half
a million dollars? Not you're talking to Okay? You know
what sade.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
In one segment, traffic guy Tom Smith joining me, Thank
you Lord in Heaven for the Mike cutting power. Tom
Smith joining me for my NYPD detective thirty years on
the Street now, star of the gold Shields podcast. Can
(17:59):
you just be straight, cut through all the noise and
describe how rape victims are very often recalcitrant to come
forward or they won't come forward because they fear exactly
what's happening right now?
Speaker 7 (18:16):
Well, you just said the word fear, fear, power, control.
It's a mind game, and that's what Diddy preyed on.
It does have to be physical, in which case in
some of the instances it was. It is about power
and control and making sure that he has them under
their thumb, whether it's their career, whether it's their safety,
(18:36):
whether it's anyone around their safety. This is a power
trip that Sean Comb's perpetrated to make people that normally
wann't participate in certain acts, forcing them to do that
through fear, control and power.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
I want you to take a look at how the
public has been dittified, take a look look at what's
happening on TikTok.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
What's up everybody.
Speaker 8 (19:02):
I'm just want to come out and tell you, guys,
I believe Pete Diddy is innocent.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
He is innocent.
Speaker 7 (19:08):
They need to let this name go.
Speaker 6 (19:09):
They need to let him free. He ain't got nothing
to do.
Speaker 8 (19:12):
What what y'all talk about.
Speaker 10 (19:14):
Well, one, we got to look at these women down here.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
They're desperate.
Speaker 8 (19:17):
They're desperate.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
That's from Osra Ahmad on TikTok, Brett Brown. The resistance
to believing female victims is incredible, especially from women.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
It is.
Speaker 8 (19:31):
It's fascinating to me.
Speaker 11 (19:33):
We see a pattern of two things. Either one from
people not being able to imagine that things like that
happen because we're actually really hopeful creatures and we want
the world to be better than it is. But then
for those who accept that these things happen, they always
say to themselves, oh, I would never do that, I
would never allow that to happen. But that is a
(19:54):
general lack of understanding the nature of abusive relationships and
the and the time that goes into building them before
the abuse ever starts. So really, when you see something
like that, there's of course the obvious kind of judgment
and hypocrisy from somebody with no understanding of what abuse
(20:14):
is about, but also just a general lack of information
of how these relationships play out and go from a
relationship straight to abuse.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Right, Okay, that's just a tiny taste of what is happening,
how the public has been dedified.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Listen to this so far. I'm not gonna lie to you.
It just sounds like a bad relationship to me.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Yes, d V Yes, terrible choice and how you treat
your partner.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
That's from Taliche on TikTok.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Okay, doctor Bethany Marshall, help me out. I mean, if
women are not supporting the women victims, we're all screwed.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
When these TikTokers watch the trial or whatever's leaking out
about the trial, they're going to either identify with the
perpetrator or the victim. That's what happens in trials like this.
Everybody picks their horse.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Now.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Of course the TikTokers, we are showing we don't know
them and we know nothing about them. They haven't been
charged with anything except maybe not knowing what's going on
in the courtroom. Hey, let's watch another when we've seen
two women, got any men out there?
Speaker 12 (21:29):
So people, how you feel about being about the deeding
watching cask recording?
Speaker 6 (21:36):
I watched porn.
Speaker 12 (21:37):
He was watching porn just live and he's probably make
a lot of money if he actually used those tapes.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
And y'all all can.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Make some money, Okay, Greg Morris, that's at Bama Boy
Roy to fifty one on TikTok. Did you see that
look in his eyes when he goes I watched porn. Sure,
and he's talking so much money Sean comes can make
by doing porn. I mean, I guess he's suggesting just
clicking on TV instead of what beating women into creating porn?
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Is that what he's trying to say no.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Well, again, that's what you're doing. You're you're, you're, you're
conflating a lot of different things here. These people aren't
necessarily wrong with the testimony that they've heard, because this
is not whether you're picking a side of Diddy or
Miss Ventura. This is did the facts support the charges
in a quarter of law beyond into the exclusion of
(22:31):
all reasonable doubts. But and the irony of that Alabama
video with the porn is that did he made all
his money with the artist singing in the background, Notorious Big.
That's why this isn't sex trafficking. That's why this isn't
a rico. There's a real business here. And these people
aren't necessarily wrong with the testimony they've heard. They're not
this is there's crime.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
I don't mean they've heard any testimony. I don't think
they've heard any testimony. The first person is saying it's
just a bad relationship.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Okay, let's hear more pre Diddy from them.
Speaker 10 (23:01):
Cassie charges, bro, this is a load of man.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
Believe me.
Speaker 10 (23:04):
Want to tell you can find a lot of stuff
out them into them on for men both. Cassie, we've
got to leave that alone, because when I originally seen him,
like your book and I'm put them under the prison, right,
But then she took the money, she said, okay, so
she values money once she does justice.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Right now, that's at the bro Ski talks. Okay, doctor
Bethany Marshall, I believe he referred to the States case
as a load of not a technical legal term.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
So bottom line, they've all been didified. I pray to
God nobody like them is on the jury. See that's
the thing.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
These all look like fairly attractive people, normal people.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Some of them are articulate.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
You could put them on the jury and not have
any idea what they're really thinking. Right now we are
learning that apparently the public has been didified. So many
people are not hearing what the witnesses are saying and
are convinced that this is all just about a bad
(24:07):
relationship between Shawncolmbs and Cassie Ventura.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
There was a major outburst in the.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Courtroom, the kind of thing, the stuff that mistrials are
made of.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Thank Heaven, the jury.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Wasn't there when this woman threw a fit and had
to be dragged out of the courtroom by armed guards.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
What happened straight out to her money. Rodriguez joining us
from Daily Mail. What happened? That's right, Nancy.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
We had our first major disruption at the trial this
week when one of Didny's supporters started yelling in court, Diddy,
they're laughing at you in every courtroom.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
That's not nice.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Now, did he turned around and appeared to NodD along
to what the woman was saying before the judge threw
her out. Now, this happened the same week that The
Washington Post reported that in the overflow room, DIDNY supporters
had been heckling witness testimony by alleged victim Mia and
also egging on his lawyers, which, of course, this is
not behavior that is usually allowed in overflow rooms and courtrooms.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Sidney Sumner joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter. What was
the woman screaming in court?
Speaker 5 (25:11):
Nancy? It was all over the place. One of the
things that she said that set out there, these mf
ers are laughing at you, Diddy. So she was supporting him.
She felt like the media was making fun of him
and is dragging him down, and maybe even that he's
being wrongfully prosecuted in the first place. So Holmes's space
(25:35):
completely dropped. He was very, very surprised by this. His
job was on the floor as this was happening until
she was removed from the courtroom.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
You know, Greg Morris is veteran trial lawyer at Morse Legal.
That is the stuff mistrials are made of. Any outburst
in the courtroom, even though she was supporting Sean Comb's right,
crazy loud rant had been dragged out of the courtroom.
But any disturbance or outbursts like that in the courtroom
(26:08):
can result in a mistrial.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
I mean, I've seen cases.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Where jurors coming into the courthouse saw somebody holding up
a placard so and so's innocent, or so and so
did it, and that became grounds for a mistrial, much
less an outburst right in.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
The courtroom with the jury.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
If the jury had been there, I guarantee you there
would have been a motion for a mistrial.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
There would have been because the defense obviously looks for
any opportunity to do that. And you're one hundred percent right,
outbursts in the courtroom can really affect the trial. So now,
usually when it happens once, the judge should get control
of that and if he have to clear the courtroom
for the rest of the trial. He has the grounds
to do it now. It doesn't need to be open
to the public. So he has a reason and he
(26:51):
should because you don't want to waste the resources in
time of this long in trial only to have to
do it again. Those things can absolutely create a mistrial.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Well with that, I.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Agree with you on that, Greg Morris, because the defense
has worked night and day, the state has worked night
and day to present the case, and then with one
unpredicted outburst, it's all down the shoot and you have
to start all over, the jury.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Selection, the everything.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
It's really bad for the state because the defense then
has their exact playbook, everything they're going to do with
each witness, and it gives them more yeah, more time
to prepare cross exams, more time to beef up their
response to those witnesses. Yes, at the beginning, the state
has to hand over all the witnesses and in some
(27:43):
jurisdictions a summary of their testimony.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Their address is how to reach them.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
If it's a scientific evidence expert, you have to give
the scientific report, like if it's about drugs, this videographer,
this video expert, his CV, his resume, what he's going
to say, his education, everything, has to be handed over
to start with.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
If the thing that the state doesn't have to.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Hand over is their work product, their tactics of how
they're going to use each witness to achieve what so,
if there's a.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Mistrial, the defense already has their.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Whole playbook, everything they plan to do with each witness
and did so it's a it's a huge, huge problem
for the state.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
I'm just going to rumor.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
You said that you thought Diddy was gonna be found
not guilty.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Is that true? Did you say, Oh my.
Speaker 13 (28:40):
God, I'm about to I'm about to have a debate
with nasies.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
On you man, I'm in three inches up your tailpod.
Did you say he was gonna get acquitted? Because I
think you did.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
No.
Speaker 13 (28:52):
I also said that I think he will be acquitted
faster than what people think, because I think this is
a circus act and I think he.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Acquitted and faster.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Okay, Okay, that's for my friend Harvey Levin over at TMZ,
and that's airing on to b us versus Seawan Combs.
Now even ray J is piling on. Has he been
listening to the evidence? He goes on and I'll play
for you in just a moment. Yeah, he's been didified,
(29:22):
just so that has a leaked to the jury. This
as we learn Seawann Combs has raked in over four
million dollars since he was arrested.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Send me some aur crime stories, investigative reporter.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
How Diddy has made all of this money from renting
out his golfstream size fifty Love Air. So even while
he is sitting behind bars at the NDC, his plane
is still making him money from chartered flights. It's made
about one hundred and twenty six trips since he's been arrested.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
It is a sixty million dollars private g to high
end travelers, and it's a very lucrative side hustle for
Shawn Comes. We're learning his defense is costing millions and
tens of millions of dollars. The jet is equipped with
fourteen seats, range of nearly seven thousand miles. It's called
(30:20):
did You Say Love Air, and it's rented out by
an operator called Silver Air that operates the flights and
builds the jet as part of a comprehensive fleet of
luxury air craft. It is a black colored plane on
celebrity charter broker sites like Jetty and nobody knows. The
(30:43):
people that rent it have no clue that it is
owned by Sean Comes. This is what I recommend for
all of you jet renters. You better get one of
these now. Again, when you don't know a horse, look
(31:03):
at his track record. Now, I want you to listen
to this and ask yourself, is there any way Sean
Combs could resist becoming a.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Member of the Mile High Club.
Speaker 12 (31:16):
Listen Friedrich Zimour, the manager of Les Air Mettage Hotel
in Beverly Hills, discuss Shawn Combs's history of reservations. Combs
opened an account in two thousand and six, but three
years later the name was changed to Jackie Starr, then
Frank White, then Frank Black, and Ryan Lopez. The notes
stayed the same. Number one monitor outside the room to
(31:37):
spray air freshener. Number two place the room out of
order upon departure for deep cleaning. Always spills candlewax on
everything and uses excessive amounts of oil. And number three
please authorize an extra one thousand dollars at check in
to cover room damages.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Air freshener.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Okay, Greg Morris, sprating some glade on that sofa is
not gonna help a thing. Are you seriously you've r
in his jet? You better get one of these morse.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Listen, this is my dig run Hugh Kills the germs Nancy.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
He's on trial for sex trafficking, and he has a
plane called love Air. You can't make this stuff up.
I mean, there's no way you can fictionally write this.
And the poetry of this ridiculousness that the lifestyle take
a look.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
At Cassie Venture's fat lip and call it poetry again.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Talking about Diddy's life and his plane and putting love
Air on it. Defendants aren't that bright sometimes, and clearly
he's not.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
But uh the uh did?
Speaker 4 (32:48):
He still not sex trafficking though, I still don't know
where you're getting that from. But hey, uh you know,
we'll see at the end of.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
This man on topic.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
You know what, Let me give you some adderall to
get you like folks us in to you, Bethany Marshall.
This is in his notes at the hotel, Like when
he walks in the door, they go get an extra
ground monitor outside of room to spray air freshener who
place the room out of order upon departure for deep
(33:19):
cleaning always is in all caps, spills candle wax on everything,
and uses excessive, excessive amounts of oil and authorize an
extra thousand dollars at check in to cover room damages. Now,
we you and I have talked many times about habit evidence,
(33:40):
routine evidence. If he's trashing every hotel room where they
have to go in and spray laid on it.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
What do you think he's doing to love Air? You
think you're gonna go send on one of those cushions.
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Look, they have to bring in a whole Dixie dumpster
to clean out his room, and he is I'm renting
this jet out. How much did you say, Sidy? How
much is one flight on his jet?
Speaker 5 (34:04):
At least forty thousand dollars?
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Forty thousand dollars to sit on one of those stanky cushions, Faciny, I.
Speaker 6 (34:12):
Can just tell you my celebrity patients and my Beverly
Hills office would be horrified to know that that's what
they're sitting on. But on a more serious note, Nancy,
this is one more very disturbing example of people accommodating
to celebrity PDD. He got everybody to accommodate to him.
A thousand dollars is not enough at Hermitage to repair
(34:37):
room damage. It's just not that that facility or that
hotel is near my office. It is very high end.
It has a beautiful cocktail bar on the roof. Cocktails
cost fifty dollars more off there. Okay, well not anymore.
But they're accommodating to him, just like everybody else does.
Hey what instead of deep cleaning, how about just checking
(35:00):
for trace evidence of blood? I mean, crimes occurred in
that room.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
So the fact that these.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
Are in the notes really minimizes the severity of the
destruction to women, which is what we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Today Crime stories with Nancy Grace Tom Smith joining me
NYPD thirty years on the NYPD FBI Joint Terrorism Task
Force at the Gooldshield Show dot com. Tom on I
(35:38):
learned this in the DA's office, prosecuting so many heinous crimes,
crimes that I would wake up in the night with
night terrors for over ten years, and it lasted long
after that from the cases that I investigated and tried,
and sometimes you just have to have something to crack
a smile.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
And doctor Bethany's we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Love air and my Ditty want, and.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
That's not what this case is about.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
But sometimes when I look at those pictures of Cassie
and I hear the testimony and I see her getting
beaten in the hallway, it can be overwhelming because this
kind of attack on women is happening all across the world,
every single day, every single minute, and people are ditified.
They don't want to believe it.
Speaker 13 (36:28):
Tom.
Speaker 7 (36:29):
Yeah, and you know what, You're never going to convince
a percentage of the people out there listening to this case,
no matter what is said, no matter what's presented, no
matter what anyone reports on, there's going to be a
percentage of people that think this is all just driven
to get Ditty and for what, you know, what would
be the motive of just getting Sean Combs. There's victims
(36:50):
here that have to be explained and have to be
come to the forefront and defended. And this is what
this case is doing. You know, there's so many more
victims out there probably that they couldn't convince to come
in and testify or give a statement about. And all
of those people are all part of this as well.
This has to the accountability has to be seen by
(37:12):
Sean Combs wherever it happened.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
I just I just feel like I say you at
the sentencing, my friend, Wow, hey, ray J welcome right.
Speaker 13 (37:23):
I love this and I love you Nancy, but I
have to disagree because I think that this is the
most wildest case of like sexual conversation, right, dirty fire
pipes and like the punisher and like you know, everything
else that goes with this.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
It's all.
Speaker 13 (37:43):
It's a very dirty situation, and I feel like it's
becoming a circus act for stuff that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
For what did he's being charged for.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Joining me Brett Brown, executive director Surviving Assault, Standing Strong,
dedicated to ending sex attacks and sex trafficking on women.
By the way, that was from our friend Harvey Levin,
my longtime friend over at TMZ, and that airs on
to b. It's usv. Seawan Combs is the name of it,
you know, Brett. I think people don't understand the dynamic
(38:18):
of rape and.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Abuse, and they shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
I'm glad they don't because that means that violent crime
has not touched their lives. I think that they're living
with blinders on. I mean, I had no idea about
a world of violent crime until my fiance was murdered
and I became a felony prosecutor. So it's really almost
insurmountable to explain what it really is.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
But this is not a circus. This is real. This
is what happened to these women.
Speaker 8 (38:49):
What the prosecution is going to have to do throughout
this trial is showing the ups and downs. The nature
of abusive relationships is that they start where and feel respected,
loved and seen like they're on a pedestal, right, and
everyone wants that in their lives. But the difference between
healthy and unhealthy is that in these abusive relationships, they
(39:10):
go from feeling like they're on a pedestal to like
they're under a spotlight. And if they don't perform, then
there are consequences, and those consequences continue to grow. And
we have to make that really evident that it is
a situation that starts with love and devotion and ends
with fear of violence and being trapped, you know.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Thomas Smith, following up on what Brett Brown just said,
I tell the story earlier. It's actually a myth about
Sisyphus pushing the huge boulder up the heel of Haydes
day after day after day, and they're seeing it roll
back down. Tom, do you ever get tired or exhausted
of trying, of just screaming the same thing over and
(39:52):
over about what women are endearing.
Speaker 7 (39:55):
Yeah, it happens a lot because of attitudes like that
of putting victims on trial. And we had to deal
with it a lot in any other crime, not just rap.
You know a lot of crimes, robberies and so forth.
But on a detective level, you took an oath, and
you take a deep breath, and you go at it
as hard as you can for the victims. Yes, you
(40:16):
want to get the bad guys, you want to get
those responsible to pay the price, But inevitably, at the end,
you were doing this for the victims out there. And
that's what counts, and that's what on the minds of
detectives and investigators and US attorneys who are bringing this
case forward. It's about the victims of this case.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
We stop and remember American hero Deputy Sheriff Anthony Tate,
Grandee County Sheriffs shot in the line of duty. Lee's
behind wife Crystal and five children. American hero Anthony
Speaker 1 (40:47):
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