May 19, 2025 • 41 mins
Several women testified to seeing abuse between Sean Combs and Cassie Ventura.
During her testimony, Dawn Richards recounted an instance in which Combs allegedly threatened his ex-girlfriend and hit her with a skillet of eggs because she was not cooking fast enough.
Ventura's former best friend, Kerry Morgan, testified that police came to Ventura's apartment after the incident at the InterContinental Hotel because Combs was banging on her door with a hammer. She said she was only testifying because she had been subpoenaed.
Morgan had been Ventura’s best friend for years until 2018, when Combs allegedly assaulted her in Ventura’s apartment
Joining Nancy Grace today:
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Joshua Ritter - Criminal Defense Attorney, Former Prosecutor, Host of Courtroom Confidential on YouTube; , X, Instagram & TikTok: @joshuaritteresq, YouTube: CRConfidential
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Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst, Author: "Deal Breaker: When to work on a relationship and when to walk away” Also featured in hit show: "Paris in Love" on Peacock; Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, X @DrBethanyLive
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Chris McDonough - Director At the Cold Case Foundation, Former Homicide Detective, Worked over 300 Homicides in 25 year career and trained the first Native American Homicide Task Force; & Host of YouTube channel, "The Interview Room"
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Dr Kendall Crowns - Chief Medical Examiner Tarrant County (Ft Worth), NEW Podcast "Mayhem in the Morgue" launching soon, Lecturer: Burnett School of Medicine at TCU (Texas Christian University)
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Brett Brown - Executive director of SASS Go (Surviving Assault Standing Strong) a nonprofit on a mission to eradicate abuse, trafficking and violence against women and girls globally, www.sassgo.org, @sassgoglobal FB, Instagram, Twitter, and TikTok
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Rob Shuter - Host: Naughty But Nice Podcast, Former publicist of Sean Combs, Author: "The 4 Word Answer", radaronline.com; IG: @naughtygossip
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Lauren Conlin - Podcaster, Reporter, Host- Co-Host of "PopCrimeTV" on YouTube; X- @Conlin_Lauren, Instagram- @LaurenEmilyConlin, YouTube: @PopCrimeTV
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Sydney Sumner - CrimeOnline Investigative Reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Diddy raging over last week's tout Sea roll reveal as
a PR fail emerges, Shawn Combs's PR team discovered actually
paying off people outside the courthouse to wear free puffy
T shirts. Donald Shard taking the stand testifying that Shawn
(00:27):
Combs threatened we could die for speaking out and defending
Cassie Ventura. This as evidence reveals depraved Ditty constantly carried
Allois Vuitton bag stuffed with cocaine, ecstasy, pot Horse tranquilizer,
and plan Be birth control. Good evening, I mean, it'sye, Grace,
(00:49):
this is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
being with us. Testimony pouring from the witness stand all
day long and joining us outside the courthouse. Lauren Conlin,
investigative reporter star off Pop Crime TV. Lauren, thank you
for being with us. Tell us what's going on in
the courtroom.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Yes, Nancy, it started off pretty interesting this morning with
Diddy's lawyers actually arguing that the case and the witnesses
is becoming more of a gossip chamber of some sort.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
They are trying to get some.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Of the chef testimony that's expected to testify thrown out saying,
what does the chef testimony have to do with the indictment,
and the prosecution is saying, well, that has to.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Do with forced labor.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
We also saw Don Rochard finish her direct testimony and
get cross examined, and what's come into question Nancy is
all of Don Richard's previous statements to the government as
they appeared to change. And we learn this when the
defense came up to cross examine her, and Don Richard
actually admitted herself that her testimony has changed based on
(01:54):
her memories, specifically after the skillet incident. She testified last
week and today that Diddy and Harve Pierre, one of
his Bad Boy Record executives, actually said to her that
if she told, people go missing if they tell, and
the defense pointed out that she had never said this
to the government, and she admitted that, you know, she
(02:16):
didn't remember, so they are really trying to poke holes
in her statement. Additionally, the government pointed out that she
left after a certain period of time working for Ditty
because she was scared and he had threatened her and
she saw the violence he committed. And the defense said, well,
isn't it true that you texted him to work for
(02:37):
him again, and she said yes, but she said that
she did this for her bandmate Klena Harper at her request.
Now there was what I believe in the big bombshell
and in celebrity names. Don Richard said that at a
dinner they were at in La did he punch Cassie
in the stomach? And there were other celebrities there like Usher.
(02:58):
And additionally, after the government would ask Don Richard about
these different occurrences of violence, they would always make sure
to ask after which of Ditty's employees were present.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
You mentioned a quote skillet incident, and this is Don
Rochard recounting when Shawn comes actually bat Cassie venture in
the head with a frying pan.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Could you explain what happened?
Speaker 5 (03:22):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (03:22):
So Don Richard first testified on Friday that she was
recording music at Ditty's.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
La home with her bandmate.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
They were in this Ditty Dirty Money group or Dirty Money,
and Cassie was making eggs at the stove. Diddy came
down the stairs and she said that he attacked her
or tried to hit her with his frying pan, and
that Cassie appeared to go down in a fetal position
and then he dragged her up the stairs. Now, Don
Richard during her redirect with the government, after she was
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called out for changing her story, she said, without a
doubt that she knows that Diddy hurt Cassie. She was
in the fetal paceition and she saw her get dragged
up the stairs.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
A skillet frying pan full of eggs.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Now, you stated Lauren Conlin that Richard has changed her testimony.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
I'm very curious changed it. How exactly?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Well, the first thing that the defense points it out
is that she never told the government and I believe
that she had about eight meetings that Ditty never said
to her people go missing, and this is essentially a
death threat.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Additionally, they pointed out that in.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Her civil lawsuit, there was some kind of incident that
was recounted about Diddy dragging Cassie out of a car
onto grass and a lot of people saw, and Don
Richard actually said, oh, that was a mistake that my
lawyers made, and I guess they were referring to another incident.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
We learned this in the redirect.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
So there was that, and there was a couple other
instances where she left certain.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Okay, wait a minute, Wait a minute, Wait a minute.
So Lauren Conlin. One of the things that the defense
tried to make sound like it's inconsistent was actually another
violent incident.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Yes, that is pertaining to her civil lawsuit, her twenty
twenty four civil lawsuit. But what's interesting is that don
Richard testified that over time her memory has gotten better
because she wanted to suppress a lot of these bad
memories from working with Ditty. She worked so hard to
not remember them, and now you know, she's been working
(05:27):
with the government to remember them.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
And Nancy, I want to point something else.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Out that I've noticed about the jury today, because I
feel like I have a good view of the jury.
I'm not sure if they're getting desensitized to some of
the violence that we're hearing about, or they just don't
have a reaction. But I'm really surprised because sometimes I
have to hold my faith still in order to not react,
and they are just, you know, kind of blank. Additionally,
I've seen Ditty today pass numerous notes to his lawyer.
(05:54):
There is a woman doing the cross examination by the
name of Nicole Westmoreland Fell that you know, she was effective,
but in my opinion, she seemed a little bit nervous
this morning. She forgot to say objection at one point,
but again, overall, she's been pretty effective.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Wait wait, wait, the person cross examining forgot to say
objection at one.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Point, she dan.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
The judge was like, I think you mean objection, and
you know she went on and this was early on,
so I'm like, oh, she might be a little nervous.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
I find it hard to believe a lawyer forgets to
say objection. But that's a whole nother can of worms.
What about the testimony in chief that Rashard describes an
incident where Tom's attacked her because she was trying to
defend Cassie Well.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
She says that he verbally threatened her and that he
would always say things like, you know, this is not
your business, stay out of my relationship.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
There was something else that she said that hars Pierre, a.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Bad boy executive, and Diddy would.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Both say to her.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
It was something like something about people going to dark places.
And I'm paraphrasing here, but you know, if I had
to just kind of put it out there, Nancy, and
you know, maybe you'll see. But I do feel like
the defense really hammered Don Richard.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Did she try to intervene on behalf of Cassie Ventura. Yes,
and last you were just discussing inconsistencies that she had
not used the words did he threatened that or his
hinch person that people disappear when they talk. What phraseology,
(07:28):
if any, did she use when she was talking to
the state.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
She left that completely out, but said that Diddy said
to her what you witnessed was passion. Cassie is is okay?
Harry Morgan, Cassie's former best friend, was on the stand
and she testified that after the March twenty sixteen incident,
and this is crazy, she was at Cassie's house. Cassie
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walked in with the hood a black eye, put her
back down, appeared to be extremely numb, and then about
thirty minutes later, Carrie Morgan alleged that Diddy showed up
outside the door banging on it with a hammer.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Lauren Colin joining me outside the courthouse. I just want
to nail down one thing, okay. On the stand, Richard
states that she was told people go missing when they talk.
She was cross examined about that phraseology. But isn't it
true that when she interviewed with the state and when
she was on direct examination. She stated that she was
(08:29):
threatened by Combs and his cronies Don Richard.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
And this is through the government as well as the defense.
She interviewed with the government multiple times, about seven or
eight times, and she did not say that specific line
about people going missing. It was more general until about
the eighth meeting, the last meeting which occurred in April
(08:53):
or May of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
So she has said, oh, we've really really gone. Oh
I'll gooschase for this.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
So she has said that she was told people go
missing when they talk in April or May of twenty five.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
She did say that before she took the stand.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Yes, according to the transcripts that she read.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
But that goes back to her saying that she tried
to forget these memories and suppress them, and while working
with the government, she was able to recount these memories.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Got it.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Lauren Colin joining us outside the courthouse. Now let's go
to an all star panel.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Thank you, Lauren.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Straight out to Josh Ritter joining us, a veteran criminal
defense attorney, former prosecutor, host of Courtroom Confidential on YouTube. Josh,
thank you for being with us. So you say tomato,
I say tomato. She in multiple interviews with the state
prior to testimony, stated that she was threatened with physical
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harm if she talked, in other words, told anyone about
Cassie's beatings today. The way she did described it was
people disappear if they talk, people go missing. I don't
say that that says big of a point as the
defense is trying to make it be.
Speaker 6 (10:10):
I actually think it is a big point. I mean,
we're talking about prior inconsistent statements, the idea that she
is trying to say that her memory has improved over time.
I mean, I'm no memory expert, but that's laughable to me,
and I think it'll be laughable to a jury. That
is not how memory works. We don't all of a
sudden feel stronger and more detailed about our memories, certainly
(10:34):
over things that have taken place years and years ago.
This is the problem if.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
It you know, it's interesting, Josh Ritter, I appreciate what
you're saying. Let me see, Ritter, because I did not
put a lot of stock and repress memories returned until
I was prosecuting in the DA's office, and there was
a brilliant, brilliant woman who became a very very dear
friend in the DA's office, who went on to to
(11:00):
run our appella division, and well into her marriage, she
already had a child. She had repressed memories of being
molested as a child by a family member, and had
repressed it for all those years. And she was just
as down to earth as you or I, just not
(11:20):
fantastical at all. And I've got to say that helped
ruin her marriage because it totally messed her mind up
when these memories came back. Now, when this woman had
a repressed memory return, I realized it was real and
I had poo pooed it for years. In fact, I
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want to go to doctor Bethany Marshall on this. I
understand Ritter's skepticism. I get it, Doctor Bethany Marshall renow
it's psycho.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Ali's joining us out.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Of LA She's the author of deal Breakers, and you
can see her on Peacock now. She is at doctor
Bethany Marshall dot com. Dr Bethany, I always blame the questioner.
It's not in my mind that Richard has changed her testimony.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
It's that the more she talked about it, the more.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Facts came out if you do a simple what happened
and the person tells you, and then that becomes their
sworn statement, and then later you go, well, what exactly
did he say and what exactly was the threat? That's
the questioner's fault. That is not her fault. But the
defense is going to turn this around on her.
Speaker 7 (12:32):
You know, Nancy, the idea of memories is so complex.
It could be that the more she's been questioned, the
more she recognizes the severity of the abuse, The more
she thinks about it, the more she recovers memories of
what happened. But also, Nancy, there's one more layer, and
that is that the way the defense is questioning her
is also abusive.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Joining me also pouring over every word in the courtroom,
Crime Stories, investigatory Sidney Sumner, Sidney, thank you for being
with us.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Sidney.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
I understand that after last week, the Tutsie role reveal
when it comes to Shawn Combs's penis, along with the
harrowing testimony on the stand from Cassie, has thrown Shawn
Combs into a rage, and that rage only heightened behind
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bars when he was forced to watch a Knicks game.
At one point, he would sit courtside and kind of
help coach. But now he's watching it and sharing the
tiny little screen with his fellow inmates on the cell block.
That only made his rage worse. First, you've got the
Tutsie role reveal. Okay, as if that weren't enough, A
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week of harrowing testimony from Cassie Ventura damning him on
the stand.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
Now this, yeah, Nancy, watching that next game from a
tiny sco and four north is not the same experience
as being court side. And after listening to Cassy's testimony
all week, he may have been reflecting when he took
her to a game in twenty seventeen. Now, paps caught
them all smiles at that game, but we now know
(14:16):
that that is not the truth of their relationship in
any way, shape or form. And we also see some
interesting things. Not a close family is in court today.
We've seen his mom fix all of his children, who
are old enough to understand what's happening our accompanying his
mother in court every day. One of his pulpses came
(14:36):
to support her son, supporting his dad. And no one
is in the courtroom for him today.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Okay, boohoo.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Doctor Bethany Marshall, I want to jump off what Sidney
Sumner was saying. The let me just say, perfect storm
of the TUTSI rall reveal and in the really disturbing
testimony coming from the stand, everybody looking at him sitting
there like he's mister Rogers in the neighborhood as she's
describing rapes, freak coughs, beatings, all.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Of that, and then he's forced to there was a
time when he.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Would basically help coach on the side of the court, right,
and now he's got to watch the news game with
his fellow inmates on a tenC timesie speaking of Edy
BD Diddy an itty bad screen.
Speaker 7 (15:22):
In my phil Nancy, we call this a narcissistic injury.
That's when somebody who is used to being inflated, important grandios,
feeling more important than everybody else around them, all of
a sudden has a slight or an injury to their
self esteem. And then when they have a slight or
they feel attacked, they feel deflated. When they feel deflated,
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they feel enraged. When they feel enraged, they go on
the attack. And I would guess that even the inmates
where he is are being the brunt of his aggression
because I'm sure he's not happy about this at all.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
This is about an enterprise, a group of people flying
in sex workers, drugging women, facilitating videos of them being
rake and sodomized while they're passed out.
Speaker 8 (16:17):
The truth of idity is much much more dook.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Evidence pouring from the witness stand and we are allarning
that even when Shawn Combs is arrested, knowing that he
may turn himself in, even that night, when his five
star hotel is rated, it's full a damning evidence.
Speaker 9 (16:41):
Listen, Homeland Security special agent you've seen Binda who searched
Shawn Comb's Manhattan Park Hyatt Hotel suite the day of
his arrest. Bottles of baby oil and Loube were scattered
throughout the suite, and a lighting device was found in
the living room. Pill bottles found in a Louis Vauton
toiletry bag contained prescribed for frank black in a pink
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powder that tested positive for ketamine and MDMA. A fanny
pack contained nine thousand dollars cash, and Benda said it
appeared a woman was staying in the room with Combs.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
That's not all that was found Seawan Comb's planning a
freak off and a five star hotel in Manhattan when
he's arrested. Sidney Sumner joining us, what is astroglide?
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Astroglide is lubrication for sexual purposes.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Nancy, Okay, I'm just curious, Josh Ritter, You're so busy
planning how you can destroy Donna Schard on the stand?
How can tear her testimony into shreds?
Speaker 1 (17:43):
You tell me?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
After all this, and this is after a federal multi
count indictment. There he is the night of his arrest
with a hotel room stuffed stuffed with astroglide, multiple bottles
of baby oil, all sorts of labricants, sex aids, and
(18:06):
tons of cash and drugs. I mean, the man can't
help himself. He is a criminal from the beginning to
the end. This is the night of his arrest.
Speaker 8 (18:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
I don't know where to go with that. It doesn't
look good. You're absolutely right. Here's the thing, though, that
the defense is going to have to continue to hammer home.
And maybe this is becoming a hill too high decline,
but it's the idea that as deviant as this is,
as outrageous as it is, where is the crimes here?
I know we're hearing a lot of testimony about really
kind of sick behavior. But have we heard a lot
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about him understanding that consent was not being given? Have
we heard a lot about criminal enterprise? Those are prosecution's
going to have to take.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
You're actually making my teeth hurt? Does he understand lack
of consent? According to the state, the women were drugged
out of their gords. Didn't you hear about that Louis
Vuton bag stuffed full of ecstasy, coke, pot Plan B
birth control and I mean just one Plan B birth
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control appeal, I mean.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
A whole Louis Vuton bag.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Sidney Sumner, tell him what was in the Louis Vuton
bag that Combs carried constantly.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
There was quanapins prescribed for Frank Black, which is an
alias that comes used very frequently when booking hotel rooms
for freak off. And they also found pink powder sometimes
referred to as pink cocaine or tulists, and that tested
positive for both ketamine and ecstasy.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Joining me now so we can further explain it to
defense attorney Joshua Ritter, renowned chief medical examiner doctor Kendall,
Crown's chief medical examiner, Terren County. That's Fort Worth, Texas,
star of a new podcast, A Hit Mayhem and the
More are the same lecturer at the Burnett School of
(20:02):
Medicine at TCU, Doctor Kendall Crown's. First of all, what
is horse shrenk tell me that tell me all about ketamin?
Speaker 1 (20:11):
But dummy down for me talking regular people talk? What
is ketamine?
Speaker 5 (20:16):
So?
Speaker 10 (20:16):
Ketamine is an anesthetic. What it does is it induces
a trance like state, distorting your perception of sight and
sound and your reality around you. It makes you feel
disconnected and not in control. So it makes you very
easily made to do things that you would necessarily do
if you had your wits about you. And it's used
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to facilitate sexual assault economy.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Doctor Kendall crowns. What is clonopin.
Speaker 10 (20:43):
Clonopin is in the class of benzodiazepines and benzo diazepines
produce sedation, hypnosis, or kind of make you feel disconnected.
They're usually used to relieve anxiety and muscle spasms or
to reduce seizures. That makes you kind of more sedate,
more calm, increases your anxiety, makes you forget what's going on.
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It makes you more susceptible.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
To suggestion straight out to Joshua Ridder or criminal defense attorney.
I assume you can hear doctor Kimda Crown's speaking, and
I want to quote a medical doctor. One of the
most common questions about ketamine is was or is ketemine
used on horses?
Speaker 1 (21:25):
The answer is yes.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
So, Joshua Ritter, could you explain to me your nonsensical question?
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Did did he know there was no consent?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
The women were high on horse traink ketamine, they were
using ecstasy, klonipin and more. And why the plan be
birth control pills for the morning after a freak cough?
You explain that to me and try to square with
your question.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Did did he know there wasn't consent? Why do you
think he's charged with rape?
Speaker 6 (22:03):
I want to know from the doctor. Are those recreational drugs?
Are they also recreational drugs? Are they drugs that people
willingly take because they.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Want Do you think the plan be abortion peel is recreational?
Speaker 5 (22:15):
No?
Speaker 6 (22:15):
But I think it might be part of these you know,
freak offs.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I mean, because I think you said no.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
I did say no. Here's here's the thing, though.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Yes you did, didn't you? Okay? No further questions go ahead.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
The government has got to prove that the nefarious nature
of all of these things. Is it a horse drink eralizer? Sure,
but he's also a recreational drug. Oh well, then now
we got another interpretation of what those narcotics to use for.
Is this all part of a party lifestyle? Are they
all taking it willingly? That's the problem the government has
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to come.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Okay, hold on just a moment.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Rob Shooter is joining me, the PR publicist for Seawan,
former PR, former PR gury for Sean Combs, and see
everything went to crap when you left, host of Not
Even Nice podcast and author of the four word answer,
Rob Shooter, question to you, you're hearing about threats from
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another star, Don Richard on the stand, threats that people
disappear when they talk. Did many people surrounding Shawn Combs
have to sign an NDA non disclosure agreement?
Speaker 11 (23:34):
And why yes, absolutely, there are NDAs everywhere. I did
not sign one, but lots and lots of people that
worked for Puffy did sign NDAs. And this is because
he doesn't want the truth getting out, not necessarily about
the accusations we are talking about today, but his whole
life He's a complete control freak. He decides what's in
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the media, what's in the press, and what isn't. You
don't decide that he does. An example, even though I
didn't have an NDA with him, every press release I
sent out about Puffy, whether it be playing Broadway, running
a marathon, changing his name, he approved. He approved it,
and a lot of celebrities sort of glanced at these
(24:16):
Pointy did he.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Change his name so many times?
Speaker 11 (24:19):
Rob get attention, to get attention. We'd literally be sitting
in his conference room and he was like, not getting
a lot of press this week, Let's change my name.
Which is why I have said, and I believe this
in a really perverse way, Diddy is enjoying what is
happening right now. He has made himself one of the
most famous people in the world, and in a sick,
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perverse way, I think he's secretly enjoying that.
Speaker 8 (24:43):
We're all talking about.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Rob Shooter joining a star of Notty but Nice podcast
and long time p Rgurury to Sean Combs no more,
author of the ForWord answer Shooter, what about this pr fail?
All we hear all about Diddy's TUTSI role last week?
How one rape victim. When he saw that, wasn't as
afraid anymore. Then we have damning testimony on the stand
(25:12):
just pouring from Cassie Vterial with a jury looking over
at him like upos.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Now we hear the latest PR fail where Sean Combs
as PR. People are paying just by standers out in
front of the courthouse paying them twenty dollars an hour
to wear a free Puffy T shirt and the press
found out about it.
Speaker 8 (25:35):
Pathetic but not surprising.
Speaker 11 (25:37):
It seems to be here that Puffy is really waging
a two prong war, a legal war and a PR war.
Speaker 8 (25:45):
PR is very.
Speaker 11 (25:46):
Important to Puffy. He has spent a lot of money
on publicists and these T shirts. We shouldn't be that surprised.
He's done this before. When I was working with him,
he was trying to get young people to vote and
he came up with these T shirts called Vote or
Died that he sold he made money from at his store.
So I'm wondering if these T shirts were produced by
Sean John his clothing lying. If not, then I do
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believe that this would ultimately get out. It's an old
PR too, It didn't work back then. It's not gonna
work today.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
Excellent?
Speaker 8 (26:19):
Why are you? Why do you? Why do you feel
that way? These are our pad for protesters.
Speaker 7 (26:24):
You can get twenty dollars.
Speaker 8 (26:25):
An hour if you wear a T shirt.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
She just got recruited, right, you said, no, it wasn't
worth the twenty.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
No, but like he told me that it's for a
Getty coin.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
So oh, I'm not really sure what that is.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Yeah, they just tried to get twenty dollars to wear
a fridge fucking shirt stopped. I knew I could tell
because the lady right there, she just kept convincing me
to wear to go wear a shirt. And I'm like,
I'm gonna.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
London, that's what.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
So that's just twenty dollars. And if you guys were
do you need twenty dollars? All you have to do
is wear free PUMM shirts And you said out yeah.
I said, did they see how many hours? Thousand hours?
Speaker 8 (27:07):
And he told me that they like six two thous
yesterday we're standing up.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Oh my gosh, how the mighty have sun that's from
TikTok At.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Emily knows everything. Rob Shooter or former PR guru too.
Sean comes.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
It's better enough to pay people to wear free puffy
t shirts, but then they get busted on it.
Speaker 11 (27:27):
Humiliating, stupid. This stuff gets as really really quick in
the press. But my sources are telling me it's actually
worse than what we we just saw but did His
team has been trying to convince people to just show up.
They want crowds outside this coursehouse. Insiders are telling me
that it is really angry that people are not on
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the streets. His ego was so big, is so big
that he predicted hundreds, if not thousands, of people would
be outside that court has nobody is really there?
Speaker 8 (27:58):
That's about a hundred or shooter?
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Oh no, dear, he's really angry this time.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Oh so he's mad about his TUTSI role, everybody finding
out about that.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
He is mad about? What is he mad about?
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Throngs of people not coming to the courthouse? Did you
say thousands? He expected thousands of people to show up
outside the courthouse to support him.
Speaker 8 (28:22):
You better believe it, Nancy. This guy as a huge ego.
Speaker 11 (28:25):
When I was with him, he wanted crowds everywhere, and
we have if we had to pay for them to
be there, so be it.
Speaker 8 (28:31):
He has a lot, a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
And how do you find people to come out and
fawn over Seancomes?
Speaker 1 (28:39):
How did you do that? Where did you find them?
Speaker 11 (28:41):
You could find people that worked at record labels, You
could find marketing companies, You could find people that would
would find you. You folks to turn up and you
pay them and they wear T shirts they come to
album signings.
Speaker 8 (28:53):
This actually might be very unusual in a legal case.
Speaker 11 (28:56):
But in the music business, when you see all those
fans lined outside record stores, quite a lot of them
are actually paid to be there. It's called the hype business.
It's called the business of illusions, and nobody does it
better than did it until now.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Okay, Rob Shooter, do you ever feel bad about everything
you did to prop did he up? Oh?
Speaker 1 (29:20):
That was a lie?
Speaker 8 (29:22):
And yeah I did.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
I did nothing but a rapist and a sex traffic
are according to prosecutors, And you're right in there with him.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Man.
Speaker 11 (29:29):
Yeah, well, Nancy, I hope hopefully I wasn't. I've had
many nights when I thought about this and questioned my
consciousness and what did I see?
Speaker 8 (29:38):
Did I see any red flags?
Speaker 11 (29:39):
And so yeah, I think a lot of people today
who turned him into a star, turned him into the
guy is today have some guilds, hopefully a lot of guilds,
and people should say sorry, I have. But I do
think too a lot of people that worked with him
are going to say this is totally different.
Speaker 8 (29:57):
I don't agree.
Speaker 11 (29:58):
The fact that we helped make it into a superstar,
helped him become this monster at least act out and
get away. It looks like what he did for over
two decades.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
You know, Rob Shooter, you and I go way back.
You know how I feel about you.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Very often, people that I like or respect, or witnesses
I've never met, they look back and they think, wow,
I should have filled in the blank, or I didn't realize.
I've said that I didn't realize what was happening. I
couldn't see it when you look back, you know, propping
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him up like you know, you've got a short on
the stand describing how she saw Sean Combe's take a
frying pan full of eggs and beat Cassie with it,
and you know it had to be hot too, but
still had the eggs in it, beat her with it,
and people described not she had on her head. And
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then you've got Harry Morgan. I mean, it goes on
and on and there's.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Gonna be more. There's gonna be more people. Didn't they
see anything?
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Or were they just oblivious, blinded by all that money
and power.
Speaker 11 (31:13):
It's a really good question. I think a little bit
of both. I honestly think that I didn't see this,
But it was over twenty years ago when I worked
with Puff. It was the beginning of the monster. He
was just sort of forming himself as the celebrity that
he used today.
Speaker 8 (31:28):
I was with him in the beginning.
Speaker 11 (31:30):
Now, I don't think people change, but I do think
the power that he gained over the years allowed him
to become or at least to express those feelings that
he had inside. But also don answer. I do think
about this a lot. Did I not see stuff because
he was paying me a lot of money? Did I
not see stuff because I in great restaurants and flew
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on private planes with him? And I hope the answer,
I hope the answer to that is one that I
can live.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
With crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 12 (32:12):
The defense also questions Cassie on what she meant when
she told investigators Colms was acting strangely leading up to
and during the rape. Cassie said Colms was acting nice,
but strange during their meal before the rape, did not
respond to her screams and crimes during the attack, and
left without any interaction. Afterward, Anna Stavello asked if Cassie
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thought combs odd behavior may have been tied to his
bipolar disorder, the first time the court has heard about
this diagnosis.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
His what.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Brett Brown joining me, executive director of Surviving Assault Standing Strong.
It's a nonprofit whose mission is eradicating sex attacks and
sex trafficking on women and girls. So instead of putting
up a doctor, they get the woman he has beaten
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for years, according to the State, raped on video, drugged, harassed, threatened.
They're asking her if he's got a bipolar problem, if
he's been is he diagnosed with bipolar? Maybe that's why
he raped you. Can you believe asking an alleged rape victim.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Well, wait, maybe he did it because he's bipolar. Are
you serious?
Speaker 4 (33:34):
It's insane.
Speaker 13 (33:35):
This whole lineup is insane because they're putting both the
possibility of bipolar and drug use on her shoulders to
decide what state of mind was he in when he
committed these heinous crimes. And what's funny to me is
they're saying recreational drug use means that he was not
responsible for his actions. And in the same time framesane
recreational drug use made these women responsible for their actions.
(33:58):
And if I remember correctly, the the federal trafficking laws
Commercial Sex Act induced by force fraud, a coersion. Doing
drugs even recreationally removes your ability to give consent i e.
Coercion And if it's in exchange for money, that makes
it commercial. So the whole thing is insane.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Two special guests joining us Chris McDonough, director at the
Cold Case Foundation, former homicide detective for my Purposes, former
vice detective. He is the star of the interview Room
on YouTube. Chris McDonough, If I'm bipolar was the defense
or I was high on drugs and alcohol was the defense,
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everybody in the NBC would walk that all climbed their
bipolar and on drugs and alcohol at the time they
rape kill Rob fill in the blank.
Speaker 14 (34:47):
Yeah, absolutely, Nancy. And doesn't it feel like the Universes
on schedule here? You know, I think astro Glide is
going to have a whole new meeting in Block four
where he's being housed. Were witnessing here is a going
out of business sale with the largest pimp in the
world disguised as a music mogul. You know, now you're
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going to put on your past victims to say that
you have a mental disorder.
Speaker 8 (35:15):
It's looted.
Speaker 14 (35:16):
It's crazy, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
You know. I'm just thinking this through, claiming now that
he is bipolar to Rob Shooter, a long time PR
guru too, seawan Coin's not working for him anymore. Rob Shooter,
did you ever know him to be bipolar?
Speaker 8 (35:35):
No? No, no.
Speaker 11 (35:37):
Even though I haven't worked with him for a while,
I've obviously covett his career.
Speaker 8 (35:41):
I'm an entertainment reporter. I've never heard of this.
Speaker 11 (35:43):
To bring it up at this moment, it's so desperate,
it's so wrong, it's so silly.
Speaker 8 (35:48):
I think. I hope the jury will see through it.
Speaker 11 (35:51):
But it's just another instance that just shows you how
clueless he is. And why I say Puffy's clueless is
trust me, Puffy is running this defense. He is out there,
He's telling his lawyers what he wants. He's not the
type of guy to sit back and take advice. He
is running the show, and this is the show he
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thinks is going to get him off.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Hey, Rob shooter.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
There is word from believable sources that he is insisting
he is going to take the stand over countful objection.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Do you believe he'll do it?
Speaker 8 (36:29):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (36:30):
I only hope he does.
Speaker 11 (36:31):
Yeah, I think you do, Nancy, And you're absolutely right
on a stupid, stupid move. But try telling him that,
Try telling him that he shouldn't do this. He's not
used to being told No. He could argue, and I
would give him some credibility here, Nancy. He could argue
he has been a brilliant businessman for the last twenty years.
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He's made really smart decisions and his bank account seems
to prove him right. So it's very difficult having self
made people who have made billions of dollars that they
are wrong. They don't want to hear it. They're not
going to listen. Mindsight is are confirming your reporting, Nancy,
that he is he is going to take the start.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
How I love Fiddy aka fifty aka fifty cent.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
He has it out for Shawn comes what he just posted.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Oh, here is Sean Combs with his former bestie Epstein
aka his roomy.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
There.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Look at these two Fiddy on the war path. Okay,
and that's not all. You've got to see another one.
This is from TikTok At fifty cent. Oh oh okay,
there he goes. Oh wait so okay, I knew baby
oil was going to pop up. Yeah, okay, fitdy, thank
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you so much for that. Let's get back to the testimony.
I hope hoop the jury is not questioned and have
to admit that they've been watching Phiddie like I have
been City Sun rejoining me Crime Stories, investigative reporter.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
What about Carrie.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
Morgan, Nancy, She is a great corroborator for what Cassie
Ventura said on the stand Last week. Don Richard had
a little bit of trouble with the defense attorneys pointing
out inconsistencies in her story. But Morgan is very very believable.
As she first told prosecutor, she doesn't want to be here.
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She's only here because she's been subpoenas so. Morgan has
testified to two instances where she watched Sean Combe's attack
Cassie Ventura, and Morgan says he was perfectly sober during
both of those instances, and she also testified to when
Combe's hit her in the face with a wooden hangar.
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She was staying at her friend's house. She was saying
with Cassie Ventura. Cassy was in the bathroom and Comb's
bursts into the apartment, upset, saying things about Cassie cheating,
and he strangled her and then threw a wooden hanger
at her face, and Morgan says she went to the hospital.
She had a concussion. She vomited several times after being
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hit in the head so hard, and she went to
Coles and Kathie and said, look, I don't want to
take this to court, but we need to settle this.
So she received thirty thousand dollars from Combs in Ventura,
she signed an NDA, and she never spoke to her
best friend again after that.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
You know, Chris mcdona and I'm going to go to
Joshua around this. I actually like a witness that doesn't
want to be there because they don't have a dog
in the fight and the skin in the game. They're
not pro Sean Combs, they're not pro Cassie Ventira. They're
not waving the fly. They're like, I'm here because they
got subpoened. I don't want to be here, but this
is what I saw.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
That's a good witness.
Speaker 14 (39:53):
Yeah, that's a great witness, Nantia, And I think what's
really exciting about that is to see these victims empowering
them els and taking back that emotional manipulation and control.
And that's what's happening in this particular testimony.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Guys, right now, we not only remember, but we acknowledge
American heroes, typically women from every corner of our great country,
that come forward and speak out against rape, against sex, trafficking,
against abuse, even though they are facing horrible odds, possibly retribution,
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possibly losing their job, possibly losing their career, but coming
forward and speaking the truth to all of you witnesses,
all of you victims. We salute you, and please never
(40:58):
be quiet. Thank you to our guests, but especially to
you for being with us. Nancy Grace signing off, I'll
see you tomorrow night, sixteen nine o'clock sharp Eastern, and
until then, good night,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Diddy raging over last week's tout Sea roll reveal as
a PR fail emerges, Shawn Combs's PR team discovered actually
paying off people outside the courthouse to wear free puffy
T shirts. Donald Shard taking the stand testifying that Shawn
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Combs threatened we could die for speaking out and defending
Cassie Ventura. This as evidence reveals depraved Ditty constantly carried
Allois Vuitton bag stuffed with cocaine, ecstasy, pot Horse tranquilizer,
and plan Be birth control. Good evening, I mean, it'sye, Grace,
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this is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
being with us. Testimony pouring from the witness stand all
day long and joining us outside the courthouse. Lauren Conlin,
investigative reporter star off Pop Crime TV. Lauren, thank you
for being with us. Tell us what's going on in
the courtroom.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Yes, Nancy, it started off pretty interesting this morning with
Diddy's lawyers actually arguing that the case and the witnesses
is becoming more of a gossip chamber of some sort.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
They are trying to get some.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Of the chef testimony that's expected to testify thrown out saying,
what does the chef testimony have to do with the indictment,
and the prosecution is saying, well, that has to.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Do with forced labor.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
We also saw Don Rochard finish her direct testimony and
get cross examined, and what's come into question Nancy is
all of Don Richard's previous statements to the government as
they appeared to change. And we learn this when the
defense came up to cross examine her, and Don Richard
actually admitted herself that her testimony has changed based on
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her memories, specifically after the skillet incident. She testified last
week and today that Diddy and Harve Pierre, one of
his Bad Boy Record executives, actually said to her that
if she told, people go missing if they tell, and
the defense pointed out that she had never said this
to the government, and she admitted that, you know, she
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didn't remember, so they are really trying to poke holes
in her statement. Additionally, the government pointed out that she
left after a certain period of time working for Ditty
because she was scared and he had threatened her and
she saw the violence he committed. And the defense said, well,
isn't it true that you texted him to work for
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him again, and she said yes, but she said that
she did this for her bandmate Klena Harper at her request.
Now there was what I believe in the big bombshell
and in celebrity names. Don Richard said that at a
dinner they were at in La did he punch Cassie
in the stomach? And there were other celebrities there like Usher.
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And additionally, after the government would ask Don Richard about
these different occurrences of violence, they would always make sure
to ask after which of Ditty's employees were present.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
You mentioned a quote skillet incident, and this is Don
Rochard recounting when Shawn comes actually bat Cassie venture in
the head with a frying pan.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Could you explain what happened?
Speaker 5 (03:22):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (03:22):
So Don Richard first testified on Friday that she was
recording music at Ditty's.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
La home with her bandmate.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
They were in this Ditty Dirty Money group or Dirty Money,
and Cassie was making eggs at the stove. Diddy came
down the stairs and she said that he attacked her
or tried to hit her with his frying pan, and
that Cassie appeared to go down in a fetal position
and then he dragged her up the stairs. Now, Don
Richard during her redirect with the government, after she was
(03:52):
called out for changing her story, she said, without a
doubt that she knows that Diddy hurt Cassie. She was
in the fetal paceition and she saw her get dragged
up the stairs.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
A skillet frying pan full of eggs.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Now, you stated Lauren Conlin that Richard has changed her testimony.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
I'm very curious changed it. How exactly?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Well, the first thing that the defense points it out
is that she never told the government and I believe
that she had about eight meetings that Ditty never said
to her people go missing, and this is essentially a
death threat.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Additionally, they pointed out that in.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Her civil lawsuit, there was some kind of incident that
was recounted about Diddy dragging Cassie out of a car
onto grass and a lot of people saw, and Don
Richard actually said, oh, that was a mistake that my
lawyers made, and I guess they were referring to another incident.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
We learned this in the redirect.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
So there was that, and there was a couple other
instances where she left certain.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Okay, wait a minute, Wait a minute, Wait a minute.
So Lauren Conlin. One of the things that the defense
tried to make sound like it's inconsistent was actually another
violent incident.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Yes, that is pertaining to her civil lawsuit, her twenty
twenty four civil lawsuit. But what's interesting is that don
Richard testified that over time her memory has gotten better
because she wanted to suppress a lot of these bad
memories from working with Ditty. She worked so hard to
not remember them, and now you know, she's been working
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with the government to remember them.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
And Nancy, I want to point something else.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Out that I've noticed about the jury today, because I
feel like I have a good view of the jury.
I'm not sure if they're getting desensitized to some of
the violence that we're hearing about, or they just don't
have a reaction. But I'm really surprised because sometimes I
have to hold my faith still in order to not react,
and they are just, you know, kind of blank. Additionally,
I've seen Ditty today pass numerous notes to his lawyer.
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There is a woman doing the cross examination by the
name of Nicole Westmoreland Fell that you know, she was effective,
but in my opinion, she seemed a little bit nervous
this morning. She forgot to say objection at one point,
but again, overall, she's been pretty effective.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Wait wait, wait, the person cross examining forgot to say
objection at one.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Point, she dan.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
The judge was like, I think you mean objection, and
you know she went on and this was early on,
so I'm like, oh, she might be a little nervous.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
I find it hard to believe a lawyer forgets to
say objection. But that's a whole nother can of worms.
What about the testimony in chief that Rashard describes an
incident where Tom's attacked her because she was trying to
defend Cassie Well.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
She says that he verbally threatened her and that he
would always say things like, you know, this is not
your business, stay out of my relationship.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
There was something else that she said that hars Pierre, a.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Bad boy executive, and Diddy would.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Both say to her.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
It was something like something about people going to dark places.
And I'm paraphrasing here, but you know, if I had
to just kind of put it out there, Nancy, and
you know, maybe you'll see. But I do feel like
the defense really hammered Don Richard.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Did she try to intervene on behalf of Cassie Ventura. Yes,
and last you were just discussing inconsistencies that she had
not used the words did he threatened that or his
hinch person that people disappear when they talk. What phraseology,
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if any, did she use when she was talking to
the state.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
She left that completely out, but said that Diddy said
to her what you witnessed was passion. Cassie is is okay?
Harry Morgan, Cassie's former best friend, was on the stand
and she testified that after the March twenty sixteen incident,
and this is crazy, she was at Cassie's house. Cassie
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walked in with the hood a black eye, put her
back down, appeared to be extremely numb, and then about
thirty minutes later, Carrie Morgan alleged that Diddy showed up
outside the door banging on it with a hammer.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Lauren Colin joining me outside the courthouse. I just want
to nail down one thing, okay. On the stand, Richard
states that she was told people go missing when they talk.
She was cross examined about that phraseology. But isn't it
true that when she interviewed with the state and when
she was on direct examination. She stated that she was
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threatened by Combs and his cronies Don Richard.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
And this is through the government as well as the defense.
She interviewed with the government multiple times, about seven or
eight times, and she did not say that specific line
about people going missing. It was more general until about
the eighth meeting, the last meeting which occurred in April
(08:53):
or May of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
So she has said, oh, we've really really gone. Oh
I'll gooschase for this.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
So she has said that she was told people go
missing when they talk in April or May of twenty five.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
She did say that before she took the stand.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Yes, according to the transcripts that she read.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
But that goes back to her saying that she tried
to forget these memories and suppress them, and while working
with the government, she was able to recount these memories.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Got it.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Lauren Colin joining us outside the courthouse. Now let's go
to an all star panel.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Thank you, Lauren.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Straight out to Josh Ritter joining us, a veteran criminal
defense attorney, former prosecutor, host of Courtroom Confidential on YouTube. Josh,
thank you for being with us. So you say tomato,
I say tomato. She in multiple interviews with the state
prior to testimony, stated that she was threatened with physical
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harm if she talked, in other words, told anyone about
Cassie's beatings today. The way she did described it was
people disappear if they talk, people go missing. I don't
say that that says big of a point as the
defense is trying to make it be.
Speaker 6 (10:10):
I actually think it is a big point. I mean,
we're talking about prior inconsistent statements, the idea that she
is trying to say that her memory has improved over time.
I mean, I'm no memory expert, but that's laughable to me,
and I think it'll be laughable to a jury. That
is not how memory works. We don't all of a
sudden feel stronger and more detailed about our memories, certainly
(10:34):
over things that have taken place years and years ago.
This is the problem if.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
It you know, it's interesting, Josh Ritter, I appreciate what
you're saying. Let me see, Ritter, because I did not
put a lot of stock and repress memories returned until
I was prosecuting in the DA's office, and there was
a brilliant, brilliant woman who became a very very dear
friend in the DA's office, who went on to to
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run our appella division, and well into her marriage, she
already had a child. She had repressed memories of being
molested as a child by a family member, and had
repressed it for all those years. And she was just
as down to earth as you or I, just not
(11:20):
fantastical at all. And I've got to say that helped
ruin her marriage because it totally messed her mind up
when these memories came back. Now, when this woman had
a repressed memory return, I realized it was real and
I had poo pooed it for years. In fact, I
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want to go to doctor Bethany Marshall on this. I
understand Ritter's skepticism. I get it, Doctor Bethany Marshall renow
it's psycho.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Ali's joining us out.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Of LA She's the author of deal Breakers, and you
can see her on Peacock now. She is at doctor
Bethany Marshall dot com. Dr Bethany, I always blame the questioner.
It's not in my mind that Richard has changed her testimony.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
It's that the more she talked about it, the more.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Facts came out if you do a simple what happened
and the person tells you, and then that becomes their
sworn statement, and then later you go, well, what exactly
did he say and what exactly was the threat? That's
the questioner's fault. That is not her fault. But the
defense is going to turn this around on her.
Speaker 7 (12:32):
You know, Nancy, the idea of memories is so complex.
It could be that the more she's been questioned, the
more she recognizes the severity of the abuse, The more
she thinks about it, the more she recovers memories of
what happened. But also, Nancy, there's one more layer, and
that is that the way the defense is questioning her
is also abusive.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Joining me also pouring over every word in the courtroom,
Crime Stories, investigatory Sidney Sumner, Sidney, thank you for being
with us.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Sidney.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
I understand that after last week, the Tutsie role reveal
when it comes to Shawn Combs's penis, along with the
harrowing testimony on the stand from Cassie, has thrown Shawn
Combs into a rage, and that rage only heightened behind
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bars when he was forced to watch a Knicks game.
At one point, he would sit courtside and kind of
help coach. But now he's watching it and sharing the
tiny little screen with his fellow inmates on the cell block.
That only made his rage worse. First, you've got the
Tutsie role reveal. Okay, as if that weren't enough, A
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week of harrowing testimony from Cassie Ventura damning him on
the stand.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
Now this, yeah, Nancy, watching that next game from a
tiny sco and four north is not the same experience
as being court side. And after listening to Cassy's testimony
all week, he may have been reflecting when he took
her to a game in twenty seventeen. Now, paps caught
them all smiles at that game, but we now know
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that that is not the truth of their relationship in
any way, shape or form. And we also see some
interesting things. Not a close family is in court today.
We've seen his mom fix all of his children, who
are old enough to understand what's happening our accompanying his
mother in court every day. One of his pulpses came
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to support her son, supporting his dad. And no one
is in the courtroom for him today.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Okay, boohoo.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Doctor Bethany Marshall, I want to jump off what Sidney
Sumner was saying. The let me just say, perfect storm
of the TUTSI rall reveal and in the really disturbing
testimony coming from the stand, everybody looking at him sitting
there like he's mister Rogers in the neighborhood as she's
describing rapes, freak coughs, beatings, all.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Of that, and then he's forced to there was a
time when he.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Would basically help coach on the side of the court, right,
and now he's got to watch the news game with
his fellow inmates on a tenC timesie speaking of Edy
BD Diddy an itty bad screen.
Speaker 7 (15:22):
In my phil Nancy, we call this a narcissistic injury.
That's when somebody who is used to being inflated, important grandios,
feeling more important than everybody else around them, all of
a sudden has a slight or an injury to their
self esteem. And then when they have a slight or
they feel attacked, they feel deflated. When they feel deflated,
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they feel enraged. When they feel enraged, they go on
the attack. And I would guess that even the inmates
where he is are being the brunt of his aggression
because I'm sure he's not happy about this at all.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
This is about an enterprise, a group of people flying
in sex workers, drugging women, facilitating videos of them being
rake and sodomized while they're passed out.
Speaker 8 (16:17):
The truth of idity is much much more dook.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Evidence pouring from the witness stand and we are allarning
that even when Shawn Combs is arrested, knowing that he
may turn himself in, even that night, when his five
star hotel is rated, it's full a damning evidence.
Speaker 9 (16:41):
Listen, Homeland Security special agent you've seen Binda who searched
Shawn Comb's Manhattan Park Hyatt Hotel suite the day of
his arrest. Bottles of baby oil and Loube were scattered
throughout the suite, and a lighting device was found in
the living room. Pill bottles found in a Louis Vauton
toiletry bag contained prescribed for frank black in a pink
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powder that tested positive for ketamine and MDMA. A fanny
pack contained nine thousand dollars cash, and Benda said it
appeared a woman was staying in the room with Combs.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
That's not all that was found Seawan Comb's planning a
freak off and a five star hotel in Manhattan when
he's arrested. Sidney Sumner joining us, what is astroglide?
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Astroglide is lubrication for sexual purposes.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Nancy, Okay, I'm just curious, Josh Ritter, You're so busy
planning how you can destroy Donna Schard on the stand?
How can tear her testimony into shreds?
Speaker 1 (17:43):
You tell me?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
After all this, and this is after a federal multi
count indictment. There he is the night of his arrest
with a hotel room stuffed stuffed with astroglide, multiple bottles
of baby oil, all sorts of labricants, sex aids, and
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tons of cash and drugs. I mean, the man can't
help himself. He is a criminal from the beginning to
the end. This is the night of his arrest.
Speaker 8 (18:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
I don't know where to go with that. It doesn't
look good. You're absolutely right. Here's the thing, though, that
the defense is going to have to continue to hammer home.
And maybe this is becoming a hill too high decline,
but it's the idea that as deviant as this is,
as outrageous as it is, where is the crimes here?
I know we're hearing a lot of testimony about really
kind of sick behavior. But have we heard a lot
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about him understanding that consent was not being given? Have
we heard a lot about criminal enterprise? Those are prosecution's
going to have to take.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
You're actually making my teeth hurt? Does he understand lack
of consent? According to the state, the women were drugged
out of their gords. Didn't you hear about that Louis
Vuton bag stuffed full of ecstasy, coke, pot Plan B
birth control and I mean just one Plan B birth
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control appeal, I mean.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
A whole Louis Vuton bag.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Sidney Sumner, tell him what was in the Louis Vuton
bag that Combs carried constantly.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
There was quanapins prescribed for Frank Black, which is an
alias that comes used very frequently when booking hotel rooms
for freak off. And they also found pink powder sometimes
referred to as pink cocaine or tulists, and that tested
positive for both ketamine and ecstasy.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Joining me now so we can further explain it to
defense attorney Joshua Ritter, renowned chief medical examiner doctor Kendall,
Crown's chief medical examiner, Terren County. That's Fort Worth, Texas,
star of a new podcast, A Hit Mayhem and the
More are the same lecturer at the Burnett School of
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Medicine at TCU, Doctor Kendall Crown's. First of all, what
is horse shrenk tell me that tell me all about ketamin?
Speaker 1 (20:11):
But dummy down for me talking regular people talk? What
is ketamine?
Speaker 5 (20:16):
So?
Speaker 10 (20:16):
Ketamine is an anesthetic. What it does is it induces
a trance like state, distorting your perception of sight and
sound and your reality around you. It makes you feel
disconnected and not in control. So it makes you very
easily made to do things that you would necessarily do
if you had your wits about you. And it's used
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to facilitate sexual assault economy.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Doctor Kendall crowns. What is clonopin.
Speaker 10 (20:43):
Clonopin is in the class of benzodiazepines and benzo diazepines
produce sedation, hypnosis, or kind of make you feel disconnected.
They're usually used to relieve anxiety and muscle spasms or
to reduce seizures. That makes you kind of more sedate,
more calm, increases your anxiety, makes you forget what's going on.
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It makes you more susceptible.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
To suggestion straight out to Joshua Ridder or criminal defense attorney.
I assume you can hear doctor Kimda Crown's speaking, and
I want to quote a medical doctor. One of the
most common questions about ketamine is was or is ketemine
used on horses?
Speaker 1 (21:25):
The answer is yes.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
So, Joshua Ritter, could you explain to me your nonsensical question?
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Did did he know there was no consent?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
The women were high on horse traink ketamine, they were
using ecstasy, klonipin and more. And why the plan be
birth control pills for the morning after a freak cough?
You explain that to me and try to square with
your question.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Did did he know there wasn't consent? Why do you
think he's charged with rape?
Speaker 6 (22:03):
I want to know from the doctor. Are those recreational drugs?
Are they also recreational drugs? Are they drugs that people
willingly take because they.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Want Do you think the plan be abortion peel is recreational?
Speaker 5 (22:15):
No?
Speaker 6 (22:15):
But I think it might be part of these you know,
freak offs.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I mean, because I think you said no.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
I did say no. Here's here's the thing, though.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Yes you did, didn't you? Okay? No further questions go ahead.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
The government has got to prove that the nefarious nature
of all of these things. Is it a horse drink eralizer? Sure,
but he's also a recreational drug. Oh well, then now
we got another interpretation of what those narcotics to use for.
Is this all part of a party lifestyle? Are they
all taking it willingly? That's the problem the government has
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to come.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Okay, hold on just a moment.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Rob Shooter is joining me, the PR publicist for Seawan,
former PR, former PR gury for Sean Combs, and see
everything went to crap when you left, host of Not
Even Nice podcast and author of the four word answer,
Rob Shooter, question to you, you're hearing about threats from
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another star, Don Richard on the stand, threats that people
disappear when they talk. Did many people surrounding Shawn Combs
have to sign an NDA non disclosure agreement?
Speaker 11 (23:34):
And why yes, absolutely, there are NDAs everywhere. I did
not sign one, but lots and lots of people that
worked for Puffy did sign NDAs. And this is because
he doesn't want the truth getting out, not necessarily about
the accusations we are talking about today, but his whole
life He's a complete control freak. He decides what's in
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the media, what's in the press, and what isn't. You
don't decide that he does. An example, even though I
didn't have an NDA with him, every press release I
sent out about Puffy, whether it be playing Broadway, running
a marathon, changing his name, he approved. He approved it,
and a lot of celebrities sort of glanced at these
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Pointy did he.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Change his name so many times?
Speaker 11 (24:19):
Rob get attention, to get attention. We'd literally be sitting
in his conference room and he was like, not getting
a lot of press this week, Let's change my name.
Which is why I have said, and I believe this
in a really perverse way, Diddy is enjoying what is
happening right now. He has made himself one of the
most famous people in the world, and in a sick,
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perverse way, I think he's secretly enjoying that.
Speaker 8 (24:43):
We're all talking about.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Rob Shooter joining a star of Notty but Nice podcast
and long time p Rgurury to Sean Combs no more,
author of the ForWord answer Shooter, what about this pr fail?
All we hear all about Diddy's TUTSI role last week?
How one rape victim. When he saw that, wasn't as
afraid anymore. Then we have damning testimony on the stand
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just pouring from Cassie Vterial with a jury looking over
at him like upos.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Now we hear the latest PR fail where Sean Combs
as PR. People are paying just by standers out in
front of the courthouse paying them twenty dollars an hour
to wear a free Puffy T shirt and the press
found out about it.
Speaker 8 (25:35):
Pathetic but not surprising.
Speaker 11 (25:37):
It seems to be here that Puffy is really waging
a two prong war, a legal war and a PR war.
Speaker 8 (25:45):
PR is very.
Speaker 11 (25:46):
Important to Puffy. He has spent a lot of money
on publicists and these T shirts. We shouldn't be that surprised.
He's done this before. When I was working with him,
he was trying to get young people to vote and
he came up with these T shirts called Vote or
Died that he sold he made money from at his store.
So I'm wondering if these T shirts were produced by
Sean John his clothing lying. If not, then I do
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believe that this would ultimately get out. It's an old
PR too, It didn't work back then. It's not gonna
work today.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
Excellent?
Speaker 8 (26:19):
Why are you? Why do you? Why do you feel
that way? These are our pad for protesters.
Speaker 7 (26:24):
You can get twenty dollars.
Speaker 8 (26:25):
An hour if you wear a T shirt.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
She just got recruited, right, you said, no, it wasn't
worth the twenty.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
No, but like he told me that it's for a
Getty coin.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
So oh, I'm not really sure what that is.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Yeah, they just tried to get twenty dollars to wear
a fridge fucking shirt stopped. I knew I could tell
because the lady right there, she just kept convincing me
to wear to go wear a shirt. And I'm like,
I'm gonna.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
London, that's what.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
So that's just twenty dollars. And if you guys were
do you need twenty dollars? All you have to do
is wear free PUMM shirts And you said out yeah.
I said, did they see how many hours? Thousand hours?
Speaker 8 (27:07):
And he told me that they like six two thous
yesterday we're standing up.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Oh my gosh, how the mighty have sun that's from
TikTok At.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Emily knows everything. Rob Shooter or former PR guru too.
Sean comes.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
It's better enough to pay people to wear free puffy
t shirts, but then they get busted on it.
Speaker 11 (27:27):
Humiliating, stupid. This stuff gets as really really quick in
the press. But my sources are telling me it's actually
worse than what we we just saw but did His
team has been trying to convince people to just show up.
They want crowds outside this coursehouse. Insiders are telling me
that it is really angry that people are not on
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the streets. His ego was so big, is so big
that he predicted hundreds, if not thousands, of people would
be outside that court has nobody is really there?
Speaker 8 (27:58):
That's about a hundred or shooter?
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Oh no, dear, he's really angry this time.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Oh so he's mad about his TUTSI role, everybody finding
out about that.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
He is mad about? What is he mad about?
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Throngs of people not coming to the courthouse? Did you
say thousands? He expected thousands of people to show up
outside the courthouse to support him.
Speaker 8 (28:22):
You better believe it, Nancy. This guy as a huge ego.
Speaker 11 (28:25):
When I was with him, he wanted crowds everywhere, and
we have if we had to pay for them to
be there, so be it.
Speaker 8 (28:31):
He has a lot, a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
And how do you find people to come out and
fawn over Seancomes?
Speaker 1 (28:39):
How did you do that? Where did you find them?
Speaker 11 (28:41):
You could find people that worked at record labels, You
could find marketing companies, You could find people that would
would find you. You folks to turn up and you
pay them and they wear T shirts they come to
album signings.
Speaker 8 (28:53):
This actually might be very unusual in a legal case.
Speaker 11 (28:56):
But in the music business, when you see all those
fans lined outside record stores, quite a lot of them
are actually paid to be there. It's called the hype business.
It's called the business of illusions, and nobody does it
better than did it until now.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Okay, Rob Shooter, do you ever feel bad about everything
you did to prop did he up? Oh?
Speaker 1 (29:20):
That was a lie?
Speaker 8 (29:22):
And yeah I did.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
I did nothing but a rapist and a sex traffic
are according to prosecutors, And you're right in there with him.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Man.
Speaker 11 (29:29):
Yeah, well, Nancy, I hope hopefully I wasn't. I've had
many nights when I thought about this and questioned my
consciousness and what did I see?
Speaker 8 (29:38):
Did I see any red flags?
Speaker 11 (29:39):
And so yeah, I think a lot of people today
who turned him into a star, turned him into the
guy is today have some guilds, hopefully a lot of guilds,
and people should say sorry, I have. But I do
think too a lot of people that worked with him
are going to say this is totally different.
Speaker 8 (29:57):
I don't agree.
Speaker 11 (29:58):
The fact that we helped make it into a superstar,
helped him become this monster at least act out and
get away. It looks like what he did for over
two decades.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
You know, Rob Shooter, you and I go way back.
You know how I feel about you.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Very often, people that I like or respect, or witnesses
I've never met, they look back and they think, wow,
I should have filled in the blank, or I didn't realize.
I've said that I didn't realize what was happening. I
couldn't see it when you look back, you know, propping
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him up like you know, you've got a short on
the stand describing how she saw Sean Combe's take a
frying pan full of eggs and beat Cassie with it,
and you know it had to be hot too, but
still had the eggs in it, beat her with it,
and people described not she had on her head. And
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then you've got Harry Morgan. I mean, it goes on
and on and there's.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Gonna be more. There's gonna be more people. Didn't they
see anything?
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Or were they just oblivious, blinded by all that money
and power.
Speaker 11 (31:13):
It's a really good question. I think a little bit
of both. I honestly think that I didn't see this,
But it was over twenty years ago when I worked
with Puff. It was the beginning of the monster. He
was just sort of forming himself as the celebrity that
he used today.
Speaker 8 (31:28):
I was with him in the beginning.
Speaker 11 (31:30):
Now, I don't think people change, but I do think
the power that he gained over the years allowed him
to become or at least to express those feelings that
he had inside. But also don answer. I do think
about this a lot. Did I not see stuff because
he was paying me a lot of money? Did I
not see stuff because I in great restaurants and flew
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on private planes with him? And I hope the answer,
I hope the answer to that is one that I
can live.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
With crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 12 (32:12):
The defense also questions Cassie on what she meant when
she told investigators Colms was acting strangely leading up to
and during the rape. Cassie said Colms was acting nice,
but strange during their meal before the rape, did not
respond to her screams and crimes during the attack, and
left without any interaction. Afterward, Anna Stavello asked if Cassie
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thought combs odd behavior may have been tied to his
bipolar disorder, the first time the court has heard about
this diagnosis.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
His what.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Brett Brown joining me, executive director of Surviving Assault Standing Strong.
It's a nonprofit whose mission is eradicating sex attacks and
sex trafficking on women and girls. So instead of putting
up a doctor, they get the woman he has beaten
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for years, according to the State, raped on video, drugged, harassed, threatened.
They're asking her if he's got a bipolar problem, if
he's been is he diagnosed with bipolar? Maybe that's why
he raped you. Can you believe asking an alleged rape victim.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Well, wait, maybe he did it because he's bipolar. Are
you serious?
Speaker 4 (33:34):
It's insane.
Speaker 13 (33:35):
This whole lineup is insane because they're putting both the
possibility of bipolar and drug use on her shoulders to
decide what state of mind was he in when he
committed these heinous crimes. And what's funny to me is
they're saying recreational drug use means that he was not
responsible for his actions. And in the same time framesane
recreational drug use made these women responsible for their actions.
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And if I remember correctly, the the federal trafficking laws
Commercial Sex Act induced by force fraud, a coersion. Doing
drugs even recreationally removes your ability to give consent i e.
Coercion And if it's in exchange for money, that makes
it commercial. So the whole thing is insane.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Two special guests joining us Chris McDonough, director at the
Cold Case Foundation, former homicide detective for my Purposes, former
vice detective. He is the star of the interview Room
on YouTube. Chris McDonough, If I'm bipolar was the defense
or I was high on drugs and alcohol was the defense,
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everybody in the NBC would walk that all climbed their
bipolar and on drugs and alcohol at the time they
rape kill Rob fill in the blank.
Speaker 14 (34:47):
Yeah, absolutely, Nancy. And doesn't it feel like the Universes
on schedule here? You know, I think astro Glide is
going to have a whole new meeting in Block four
where he's being housed. Were witnessing here is a going
out of business sale with the largest pimp in the
world disguised as a music mogul. You know, now you're
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going to put on your past victims to say that
you have a mental disorder.
Speaker 8 (35:15):
It's looted.
Speaker 14 (35:16):
It's crazy, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
You know. I'm just thinking this through, claiming now that
he is bipolar to Rob Shooter, a long time PR
guru too, seawan Coin's not working for him anymore. Rob Shooter,
did you ever know him to be bipolar?
Speaker 8 (35:35):
No? No, no.
Speaker 11 (35:37):
Even though I haven't worked with him for a while,
I've obviously covett his career.
Speaker 8 (35:41):
I'm an entertainment reporter. I've never heard of this.
Speaker 11 (35:43):
To bring it up at this moment, it's so desperate,
it's so wrong, it's so silly.
Speaker 8 (35:48):
I think. I hope the jury will see through it.
Speaker 11 (35:51):
But it's just another instance that just shows you how
clueless he is. And why I say Puffy's clueless is
trust me, Puffy is running this defense. He is out there,
He's telling his lawyers what he wants. He's not the
type of guy to sit back and take advice. He
is running the show, and this is the show he
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thinks is going to get him off.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Hey, Rob shooter.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
There is word from believable sources that he is insisting
he is going to take the stand over countful objection.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Do you believe he'll do it?
Speaker 8 (36:29):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (36:30):
I only hope he does.
Speaker 11 (36:31):
Yeah, I think you do, Nancy, And you're absolutely right
on a stupid, stupid move. But try telling him that,
Try telling him that he shouldn't do this. He's not
used to being told No. He could argue, and I
would give him some credibility here, Nancy. He could argue
he has been a brilliant businessman for the last twenty years.
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He's made really smart decisions and his bank account seems
to prove him right. So it's very difficult having self
made people who have made billions of dollars that they
are wrong. They don't want to hear it. They're not
going to listen. Mindsight is are confirming your reporting, Nancy,
that he is he is going to take the start.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
How I love Fiddy aka fifty aka fifty cent.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
He has it out for Shawn comes what he just posted.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Oh, here is Sean Combs with his former bestie Epstein
aka his roomy.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
There.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Look at these two Fiddy on the war path. Okay,
and that's not all. You've got to see another one.
This is from TikTok At fifty cent. Oh oh okay,
there he goes. Oh wait so okay, I knew baby
oil was going to pop up. Yeah, okay, fitdy, thank
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you so much for that. Let's get back to the testimony.
I hope hoop the jury is not questioned and have
to admit that they've been watching Phiddie like I have
been City Sun rejoining me Crime Stories, investigative reporter.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
What about Carrie.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
Morgan, Nancy, She is a great corroborator for what Cassie
Ventura said on the stand Last week. Don Richard had
a little bit of trouble with the defense attorneys pointing
out inconsistencies in her story. But Morgan is very very believable.
As she first told prosecutor, she doesn't want to be here.
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She's only here because she's been subpoenas so. Morgan has
testified to two instances where she watched Sean Combe's attack
Cassie Ventura, and Morgan says he was perfectly sober during
both of those instances, and she also testified to when
Combe's hit her in the face with a wooden hangar.
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She was staying at her friend's house. She was saying
with Cassie Ventura. Cassy was in the bathroom and Comb's
bursts into the apartment, upset, saying things about Cassie cheating,
and he strangled her and then threw a wooden hanger
at her face, and Morgan says she went to the hospital.
She had a concussion. She vomited several times after being
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hit in the head so hard, and she went to
Coles and Kathie and said, look, I don't want to
take this to court, but we need to settle this.
So she received thirty thousand dollars from Combs in Ventura,
she signed an NDA, and she never spoke to her
best friend again after that.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
You know, Chris mcdona and I'm going to go to
Joshua around this. I actually like a witness that doesn't
want to be there because they don't have a dog
in the fight and the skin in the game. They're
not pro Sean Combs, they're not pro Cassie Ventira. They're
not waving the fly. They're like, I'm here because they
got subpoened. I don't want to be here, but this
is what I saw.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
That's a good witness.
Speaker 14 (39:53):
Yeah, that's a great witness, Nantia, And I think what's
really exciting about that is to see these victims empowering
them els and taking back that emotional manipulation and control.
And that's what's happening in this particular testimony.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Guys, right now, we not only remember, but we acknowledge
American heroes, typically women from every corner of our great country,
that come forward and speak out against rape, against sex, trafficking,
against abuse, even though they are facing horrible odds, possibly retribution,
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possibly losing their job, possibly losing their career, but coming
forward and speaking the truth to all of you witnesses,
all of you victims. We salute you, and please never
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be quiet. Thank you to our guests, but especially to
you for being with us. Nancy Grace signing off, I'll
see you tomorrow night, sixteen nine o'clock sharp Eastern, and
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