October 5, 2025 • 28 mins
Sean 'Diddy' Combs, disgraced music mogul, 55, was convicted of two counts of transportation to engage in prostitution over the summer and sentenced today to 50 months, 4 years, and 2 months in prison for those convictions.
Judge Arun Subramanian tells Diddy there is “light at the end of the tunnel” for him and his family. He acknowledges the mogul is in a “dark place” right now, but he will pull through with the support of his loved ones.
“This is a hard time in prison, away from your family, friends, and community, but you will have a life afterward,” Subramanian states.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Philip Dubé - Former Court-Appointed Counsel, Los Angeles County Public Defenders: Criminal & Constitutional Law, Forensics & Mental Health Advocacy; X: PhilipCDube, IG: PhilipDube, YouTube: PhilipDube3922
- Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst, Author: "Deal Breaker: When to work on a relationship and when to walk away," and featured in hit show: "Paris in Love" on Peacock; Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, Twitter: @DrBethanyLive
- Lynn Shaw - Founder and Executive Director of Lynn's Warriors - an organization committed to ending human trafficking and sexual exploitation, Host of Lynn's Warriors on YouTube; X: @lynns_warriors, YouTube: @LynnsWarrior
- Sam Crouppen - Journalist (inside the courthouse during sentencing) “Samson’s World” Host on YouTube at SecretServiceSam
- Sydney Sumner - CRIME STORIES Investigative Reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace. I saw it.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
You saw it, you heard the evidence, you heard the
women on the stand, what they recounted had been done
to them, the beatings, the bruises, the and more. But
I guess there was one person that wasn't listening, the judge.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
In the last hours, the judge has sentenced Seawncomb's to
a slap on the wrist fifty not years, fifty months
NHS fifty months behind bars after a grueling eight week
(00:47):
trial with women on the stand recounting the worst moments
of their lives, showing photos of their bruises, their cuts,
they're bleeding, their infections, you name it. Fifty months Okay,
what does that boil down to? Fifty months minus fourteen
months he's already served while awaiting trial. That brings us
(01:08):
down to thirty six months. Sub track from that, like
the Feds love to do for quote good behavior behind bars,
he is gonna walk and about what would you say
two years joining me in all star powel, but first
straight out to San Crouping, joining US investigative journalists inside
(01:29):
the courtroom for this sentencing. He's been on the case
from the very very beginning and he is the star
of Sampson's World on YouTube.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
What happened? What happened to this judge?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I don't know, Nancy.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
I mean, like I said, his tone seemed like everybody
in the courtroom was like, oh wow, Diddy is going
away for a long time. And then it's almost as
if like you know, you're you're punishing your kid, and
you're like, I am so angry you did that, and
I can't believe you stole my car and you took
it out, and I'm gonna ground you for one month,
(02:07):
you know, like instead of years. I mean, it felt
like he was going to lay the hammer down on Ditty.
Everybody the family was literally heads down praying.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
They thought worst case scenario.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
But then, like you said, with good behavior with his
free Didty game program, he's looking like it's gonna People
were saying a year and a half tops that he
would serve out of that fifty month sentence.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Fifty months five zero. The max he's looking at is
thirty six months, because he's getting time off for good
for time served straight out to Lann Shaw joining us.
She is the founder and director of Lan's Warriors, which
is a nonprofit dedicated to stopping sex trafficking and abuse
(02:58):
of women and girls.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
Response, I am so sick and tired of Number one,
the justice system not understanding about victims of crimes of abuse, rape,
sexual exploitation. I am sick and tired all the time
of going to court and seeing this over and over again,
(03:20):
victim blaming. I am sick and tired of dirty Diddy.
That's exactly what he is. He's a pimp, he's a trafficker,
he's a sexual offender. We have seen the pictures, we
have heard from the women and some men, and I'm
tired of having to explain to vulnerable people. Listen, just
be a warrior. Listen, just keep speaking your truth. Listen,
it's going to get better, because it's not getting better.
(03:41):
So until we really address this speaking.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Your truth, you know what, Why bother?
Speaker 2 (03:50):
That's what victims and abuse victims are thinking tonight.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Why bother?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Why go through all the hassle of even calling the police,
trying the case, reliving all the pain, being cross examined
like you're nothing but dirt on the stand for a
judge to then give a light sentence straight out to
(04:15):
Troy Slayton, veteran defense attorney joining us out of the
LA jurisdiction. He's been on Ditty's side fro since day one.
I guess you're happy tonight, right, Nancy.
Speaker 6 (04:26):
I've never been on the side of Diddy. But what
I am on the side of is justice and the
rule of law. And what the judge did here was
follow the sentencing guidelines. Although he could have been sentenced
up to twenty years in a perfect world for you,
he was sentenced based on what he was convicted of,
(04:48):
which was just the transportation for the purposes of protest.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
You can stop right there, of rape, you can stop
right there because you are contorting the law. That is
not the law, Sam, Cruper join him outside the courthouse. Sam,
just a yes or no from you, please, Sam. Isn't
it true that on each count he could have gotten
ten years and run consecutively.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
That would have been a twenty year sentence.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Yes, you are correct, Nancy.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yes, so he was looking at twenty years behind bars,
but the judge and his wisdom gave him fifty five
zero months.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Isn't it true that in court the defense.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Was that Diddy Seawan Comes was actually the victim, that
he had been what high for twenty four years, and
that's why he did the things he did. Voluntary use
with drugs or alcohol is not a defense, Sam, No.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
It never is, Nancy. And I felt that the defense
was using that, saying that because he had been a
drug addict for over twenty five years that somehow that made.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Beating women okay.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
You know, I know a lot of people have done
drugs in their life have never raised a hand to
a male or a female. So me personally hearing that
excuse and defense using it, I mean, and again he
was doing Molly. Molly's supposed to make you loving and
positive and all that stuff anyway, So obviously his violent,
traumatic upbringing is what is really to blame for his
(06:20):
disgusting behavior towards women.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Right, you're ex gonna like you actually believe that his
violent upgrade. He's a multi millionaire, he's living in the
lap of luxury, yet he does to use all of
his advantage to.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Hurt other people. And speaking of hurting other people.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I want you to listen to what we've learned about
the letter Cassie Ventiro wrote the judge, which he totally ignored.
Speaker 7 (06:45):
Cassie bens an emotional three page letter to Judge Subermonium,
recalling that the entire world watch footage of Colmbs kicking
and beating her as she tried to run away from
a freak off. The defense attorneys called her relationship with
Holmes a great modern love story. Nothing could be further
from the truth. It was a horrific decade stained by abuse,
(07:08):
violence for sex, and degradation from which she still suffers
horrific nightmares and flashbacks that require psychological care.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Cassie Vinceira actually moved out of the state of New
York out of fear, to a location where she's keeping
her family and her children.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
She's not the only one in fear. Listen.
Speaker 8 (07:31):
Several of Combs's victims have written to the court urging
against leniency for the rap mogul Cassie and her parents'
assistants Mia and Capricorn Clark, stylist Deontay Nash, and personal
chef Jordan Atkinson have all implored the judge to consider
their safety, the full measure of Combs's harm, and Combs's
troubling lack of accountability as he hands down a sentence.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
There was a warm and fuzzy video created by the
defense that was played in court. You brought up earlier,
Sam that there was nothing like that for any of
the victims. What about the video created by Shawn Combs's
defense team, what was it?
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Well, I mean, it felt, like I said, like a
wedding video or a Nike video or something that you
play at a tribute to somebody a happy Father's Day,
at seventieth birthday party. But it felt totally inappropriate that
they were even allowed to play this.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
And think about how many of us even.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Have this much footage, this high quality footage shot of us,
that we could even edit together something like this.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
And I think you brought up a good point, Nancy.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
When the cameras are on, mister Combs, he knows how
to put on that good act. But when he didn't
know the cameras were on in that inter continental intercontinental hotel,
I think we were seeing a little bit more of
the real.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Shawn Combes, you know what, the dichotom in between what
he did to Cassie in that video, then paid about
one hundred thousand dollars to keep it quiet, to suppress it.
That was the real Seawan times. I guess the judge
forgot about that. Speaking of the video that Shawn comes
as defense team used in court to snow the judge.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Here's part of it. Watch if you dare the heart because.
Speaker 9 (09:18):
You're my heart.
Speaker 10 (09:19):
All right, okay, you my heart.
Speaker 11 (09:22):
Okay, May God bless you and keep you happy and
keep you taking positive. Everything's not gonna be perfect at
this time in life. And you, you're a good person
that understands reality.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
So we're gonna we're gonna.
Speaker 11 (09:38):
Accentuate the positives in life because you're doing great.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Here, bring me the barf bag Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 9 (09:58):
The Heart because you're my heart. O.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
All right, okay, you my heart man.
Speaker 11 (10:03):
Okay, May God bless you and keep you happy and
keep you thinking positive. Everything's not gonna be perfect at
this time in life. And you, you, you're a good
person that understands reality.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
So we're gonna we're.
Speaker 11 (10:18):
Gonna accentuate the positives in life because you're doing great.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Bring me the barf bag. Did you see that? You
want to tell me that Shawn comes.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Shaw comes to spend time with the elderly, not just
the elderly. You know who the little old lady is.
That's kim Porter's. Yes, Yes, that's kim Porter's grandma.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yes, so he's.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Totally using his dead ex lover and her children to
get his sorry we're in, which is in a sling
out of jail, he is using the grandma.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
I mean, like I said, Nancy, the video was extremely odd.
It was it felt so inappropriate inside the courtroom. And
again the magic of editing. I think about that video
without any music. It's like when we go to a
movie and if you just see the actors with no music.
But this video it pulls at your heartstrings because literally
(11:22):
the orchestrated music is making you feel this emotion of
a family man, a father, a hard worker. But again,
like the judge said, it can't be overshadowed by the
video of Cassie Ventura being stomped, on, being kicked, on,
being dragged by her hair. You know, we can see
(11:43):
all the cute wedding videos and editing is amazing. They
have some beautiful shots here, but it's not gonna get
myself or the public, Nancy, to forget what the real
crimes committed here.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Were I about blame.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Shawn Kimes has ever actually married anybody? Did you say
wedding video?
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Yeah, I mean the wedding video for the wedding he
never had.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
But it feels like a wedding.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
It's a tribute. It's a tribute video, a tribute. Yeah,
you know what. I'm not the church lady.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I don't care who marries who or who doesn't marry
anybody that's not a felony.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
So I really don't care.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
But speaking of Cassie Ventura to Sidney Summer, joining US
Crime Stories investigative report, give me a little reality check
about what was done to Cassie Ventura.
Speaker 12 (12:34):
Cassie was exploited us and put in a box. She
had essentially no career because Sean Palms promised to give
her one and then made her have sex with him
for days one end and other sports, giving her UTIs, infections,
(12:56):
source thruses, and even cut her face just before a
movie premiere. Shawn Colms brutally attached Cassie on a regular
basis behind closed doors in public. Prince's own security had
to pull combs off of Casfi at a house party.
(13:17):
Everyone knew it was an open secret that Shawn Holmes
was abusing Casfie Ventura for more than a decade, and
no one did any game. Cassie threatened suicide at least
three times during their relationship. Deontay Nash, her stylist, hit
her in a hotel room, but his efforts were dashed.
(13:38):
When Colm's employee showed up to bring Cassie back to him,
she threatened to go over the balcony. That's how afraid
Cassie was of Shawn Colms. This was a waking nightmare
for her for nearly ten years.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
To Troy Slayton, a defense attorney joining us out of
LA who seemed to stand by the judge's decision, the
limp arrested judge who sentenced Combs to just fifty months
now thirty six months behind bars.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Troy, this is a yes no answer.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
You know what a UTI is? A urinary tract infection.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Do you know what that is? Okay?
Speaker 2 (14:23):
So Cassie Ventura had so many urinary tract infections, mouth infections,
ulcers all over her body that regular antibiotics.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
And this is because of all the freek hosts, the
sex acts she was forced to.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Perform by Combs on video at Freak Coffs that she
didn't want to do. And yes, I know the jury
did not come back guilty on sex trafficking, but no
one ever cross examined her or impeued your credibility on
those issues. So the judge ignored everything that was done
(15:06):
to cast Ventira, everything It didn't amount to.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
A helipenes to him. You guys ulcers nancy.
Speaker 6 (15:16):
When a jury doesn't convict somebody, that means not that
they're innocent, but that they're not guilty of those things.
If even yeah, one jer determines that that it's a
hung jury. But in this case, they found him not guilty.
All twelve jurors agreed that the government failed to meet
(15:37):
their burden.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
But also, when you're not talking.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
About what I asked, James also imposed another part of
the sense, not what I asked you. The judge sentenced
him to a find of a half a million dollars
five hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
He's already made that two times over from behind bars,
ringing out his private jit man, get with it. You
know that means nothing to him.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
Despite all the parade of horribles that you and all
your guests have outlined, why are you calling it.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
A parade of horribles? It was the evidence. I didn't
bring it on. The victims brought it on.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
They testify even the pre sentenced report that doesn't favor
the prosecution, that doesn't favor the defendants.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Came in at about six years.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
So I asked you that I did from that, and
you're answering that question.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
You're giving an answer because you don't like the answer
to the question I asked you, Bethany Marshall, let me
ask you, do you remember all the UTIs and the
busted lips and the video of for getting dragged up
and down the hall of Shawn Colmes and nothing but
a towel.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
He didn't care what anybody thought.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
The beatings, the stomach ulcers, the mouth ulcers, the urinary
tract infections, what the judge forgot about all of it?
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Does happened a few weeks ago.
Speaker 9 (17:03):
You know what happened in court today, Nancy is there's
a parallel process between how p did he treated his
victims and how the court treated the victims. What you
have are materialistic, educated, older, powerful people who do not
think that the victims deserve anything. Brutality was sanctioned today,
(17:25):
just like during wars and other things like that, where
there's brutality and then all of a sudden it's rationalized
or dissociated from as if brutality is okay, Nancy, the
one thing you missed off the list is he actually
smashed her head against was it a bed or a
table and busted her lip right open. He tried to
stop her career. He gave her things, he took them away.
(17:48):
I mean, maybe what if we just use the word assault, blackmail,
and kidnapping with the victim hiding and plain sight. Does
that make it easier for people to digest the reality?
Speaker 2 (17:59):
The years was also confounding Sam Croupan joining us star
of Sampson's World on YouTube. At the very beginning, I
had fate that there would be a substantial sentence because
the judge said, hey, hey, I get to take into
account everything I know about you, even the charges, the
claims and the charges on which you were acquitted.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
But he didn't. He didn't do that.
Speaker 10 (18:26):
Sam.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
I want you to see in that video the way
it comes used his own children today.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Now I'm a full time dad, and I'm gonna be
there for you, do everything, all of y'all every Sunday.
I gotta slow everything down.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
The family.
Speaker 6 (18:42):
Richer gets the.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
Family and each other makes some drugs.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Watching church, there is a definition of grief.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
What a full time dad.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
No, he was all over the world practically every week
doing freak.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Off for two or three days.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Even the night he got arrested, he knew he was
surrendering himself.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
He was having a freak off and a five star
hotel in New York.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Yeah, I mean, Nancy, I think this is kind of
illustrates almost the problem with social media.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
You know, we see.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
People that are able to act like a good parent
because you might see an Instagram post or a video
of them being a good dad. But to me, the
mark of a good father or mother is are you
in that child's life every single day. You know this
wedding video we saw, it's a beautiful montage of his moments.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
I wish somebody could create a video like me to.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Show how great of a father I am. Like this,
But the facts remain. If you want to be a
good parent, it's about.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Every single day showing up.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
It's not about showing up in a video that is
nicely put together with high production and great producers and editors.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
If you're going to be you have to show up.
If you're going to be a parent.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, I do not know what
happened to this judge, but I do know this.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Women all over the world are crushed at this sentence.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Hey, guys, I'm hearing in my ear.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Joining me right now is doctor Dwayne Hendrix, the former
warden at MDC. He is the founder of the New
da Light Foundation, and he's the author of See It,
Say It, Sees It. Doctor Hendrix, thank you for being
with us. Tell me about Seawan Comes's first night back
at the MDC tonight. I understand he's having spaghetti and meatballs,
(20:41):
salad and green beans. But guess what, Doctor Hendrix, Diddy
doesn't like spaghetti.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
He's still upset. He wanted to walk free.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
He even had a speaking engagement set up for Monday
in Miami.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
He's like scaghetti.
Speaker 10 (21:04):
It's gonna be very lonely. And I can tell you
he did not receive a standing ovation when he got back.
And when he gets back to the jail. I'm not
sure if he's back at the facility at this time
right now, but I can tell you when he does
get back, it's gonna be a cold meal. No matter
how warming, it's gonna taste cold to him. And he's
not gonna have a standing ovation. He just needs to.
(21:24):
I think the euphoria of you know, not having those
other charges go against him, the racketeering and we having
a life sentence. But his next plane ride, like we're
discussed in previous shows, his next plane ride is going
to be on a con Air flight with Martin chains
and a black box, and it's not going to be
on a private jet at the Miami this weekend, prepare
(21:47):
for this teaching engagement for on Monday in Miami. So
it's going to be lonely, it's going to be a
cold it's gonna be a cold night. But hopefully his
family will see say, he's a family man, So hopefully
his family will be visiting with him this weekend and
preparing him mentally for what's coming next, which is a
(22:07):
three year sentence at a federal prison somewhere close to
where he's going to release. And I want to clear
some up. I keep hearing somebody he'll be home in
a year and a half. I used to do sentence
calculations for a number of years. He is going to
serve at least twenty eight more months in prison, So
if he gets his fifty four days a good time,
(22:29):
they'll get that, and he may spend about three to
four months on home confinement as long as he behaves
while he's at his next facility. But he will not
be coming home in a year and a half.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
He will, he'll be coming home.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Age to be happy about twenty eight months. Why do
you even say twenty eight months? We all know that
is two years and four months.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
I'm supposed to be happy about that.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
You know how many victims I've represented, how many agassault
victims I've represented that have been beaten like pimp, beaten
by pimps like Sean Combs, more than I can even remember,
and it messes them up the rest of their lives.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
They are never the same.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
If they're lucky enough to have a family after that,
they raise their children in a way that makes them
raise their children in a way it never ends. That
is what Comes did to these women and many many more.
They're lined up filing civil lawsuits with real evidence. Maybe
they'll get a judge that actually listens to the evidence,
(23:37):
unlike this judge. And another thing, Krupin, If you're still
with me, isn't it true? Shawn Comes had a speaking
engagement set up for Monday.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
He was that arrogant to think he was walking today.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Isn't it true he had a speaking engagement or as
you keep saying it, teaching engagement whatever Monday in my.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
I mean, look, it's a teaching engagement in Nancy, not
a There's a big difference between a speaking engagement and
a teaching engagement. He was gonna go to Miami, go
to One Star Island, maybe you know, pop a little
bubbly and go to a teaching engagement.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
You know what, I.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Don't care what it is crouping.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
The point is, Hendrix, can you hear me, doctor Hendrix,
you're the.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Warden, the former warden.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
He was so convinced he had this judge wrapped around
his little finger that he was going to walk today.
So I guess tonight he is over a thirty six
month sentence. To him, that's probably like life behind bars.
Speaker 10 (24:48):
It is, and it's his arrogance just continue to go
on and on and on. But now I think reality
is going to set in, especially in about a month,
and they shouldn't tell him that. I was supposed to
te him where he's going. But he'll be moving. I'm
sure they're going to be moving him out of Brooklyn.
Within the next thirty to forty five days to his
designated facility. And if he doesn't get the point, I
(25:10):
guarantee you when he is shaffled and put on that
plane for several hours until he gets to where he's doing,
the reality is going to set in that all thatsuph
you from coming down off those other charters not being convicted.
He's going to realize that he is now a convicted seller.
So there won't be any speaking in teaching engagements. I'm
(25:32):
sorry anytime soon, and I'll tell you this. He's been
teaching these entrepreneurship classes that the true test is.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Going to be please stop talking going through the classes
he's quote teaching behind bars are called it's all about me, Diddy?
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Enough about me? What do you think about me?
Speaker 2 (25:51):
I mean, I don't want to hear about what he's
teaching behind bars.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
He and beat these women.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
He was convicted on two counts of the Man Act.
Each one has a ten year sentence. He could have
gotten ten on each to run consecutively, that's twenty years. Instead,
he will walk most likely in less than thirty six
months thirty six months max.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
That's what happened in court.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
That is what happened in the court that tried Sean
Comes tonight. Women all over the country, victims beating victims,
sex trafficking victims have taken it on the chin again.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Thanks Judge, you had it all right here.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
You could have sent a message to abusers and rapists,
but you didn't. You talk the talk, Judge O. Yes
you did, and for a moment believed you, but you
did not walk the walk. You probably don't want to
hear it, but I'm telling you the truth. Judge failed.
(27:07):
You are the weak link in the judicial system. You
and you had the power, just like Combs had all
the power, all the advantage, and he squandered it on
a life of victimizing women. I want to thank all
of our guests for being with us tonight, but first
(27:29):
I want to remember heroes. Heroes that come forward and
they fight the good fight, even.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Knowing very well they may lose.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Women against all odds that speak out, and I beg you, ladies,
keep fighting the good fight, because to me, you are
the American hero.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Nancy Grace signing off for tonight. Good night friend,
Crime stories with Nancy Grace. I saw it.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
You saw it, you heard the evidence, you heard the
women on the stand, what they recounted had been done
to them, the beatings, the bruises, the and more. But
I guess there was one person that wasn't listening, the judge.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
In the last hours, the judge has sentenced Seawncomb's to
a slap on the wrist fifty not years, fifty months
NHS fifty months behind bars after a grueling eight week
(00:47):
trial with women on the stand recounting the worst moments
of their lives, showing photos of their bruises, their cuts,
they're bleeding, their infections, you name it. Fifty months Okay,
what does that boil down to? Fifty months minus fourteen
months he's already served while awaiting trial. That brings us
(01:08):
down to thirty six months. Sub track from that, like
the Feds love to do for quote good behavior behind bars,
he is gonna walk and about what would you say
two years joining me in all star powel, but first
straight out to San Crouping, joining US investigative journalists inside
(01:29):
the courtroom for this sentencing. He's been on the case
from the very very beginning and he is the star
of Sampson's World on YouTube.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
What happened? What happened to this judge?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I don't know, Nancy.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
I mean, like I said, his tone seemed like everybody
in the courtroom was like, oh wow, Diddy is going
away for a long time. And then it's almost as
if like you know, you're you're punishing your kid, and
you're like, I am so angry you did that, and
I can't believe you stole my car and you took
it out, and I'm gonna ground you for one month,
(02:07):
you know, like instead of years. I mean, it felt
like he was going to lay the hammer down on Ditty.
Everybody the family was literally heads down praying.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
They thought worst case scenario.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
But then, like you said, with good behavior with his
free Didty game program, he's looking like it's gonna People
were saying a year and a half tops that he
would serve out of that fifty month sentence.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Fifty months five zero. The max he's looking at is
thirty six months, because he's getting time off for good
for time served straight out to Lann Shaw joining us.
She is the founder and director of Lan's Warriors, which
is a nonprofit dedicated to stopping sex trafficking and abuse
(02:58):
of women and girls.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
Response, I am so sick and tired of Number one,
the justice system not understanding about victims of crimes of abuse, rape,
sexual exploitation. I am sick and tired all the time
of going to court and seeing this over and over again,
(03:20):
victim blaming. I am sick and tired of dirty Diddy.
That's exactly what he is. He's a pimp, he's a trafficker,
he's a sexual offender. We have seen the pictures, we
have heard from the women and some men, and I'm
tired of having to explain to vulnerable people. Listen, just
be a warrior. Listen, just keep speaking your truth. Listen,
it's going to get better, because it's not getting better.
(03:41):
So until we really address this speaking.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Your truth, you know what, Why bother?
Speaker 2 (03:50):
That's what victims and abuse victims are thinking tonight.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Why bother?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Why go through all the hassle of even calling the police,
trying the case, reliving all the pain, being cross examined
like you're nothing but dirt on the stand for a
judge to then give a light sentence straight out to
(04:15):
Troy Slayton, veteran defense attorney joining us out of the
LA jurisdiction. He's been on Ditty's side fro since day one.
I guess you're happy tonight, right, Nancy.
Speaker 6 (04:26):
I've never been on the side of Diddy. But what
I am on the side of is justice and the
rule of law. And what the judge did here was
follow the sentencing guidelines. Although he could have been sentenced
up to twenty years in a perfect world for you,
he was sentenced based on what he was convicted of,
(04:48):
which was just the transportation for the purposes of protest.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
You can stop right there, of rape, you can stop
right there because you are contorting the law. That is
not the law, Sam, Cruper join him outside the courthouse. Sam,
just a yes or no from you, please, Sam. Isn't
it true that on each count he could have gotten
ten years and run consecutively.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
That would have been a twenty year sentence.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Yes, you are correct, Nancy.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yes, so he was looking at twenty years behind bars,
but the judge and his wisdom gave him fifty five
zero months.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Isn't it true that in court the defense.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Was that Diddy Seawan Comes was actually the victim, that
he had been what high for twenty four years, and
that's why he did the things he did. Voluntary use
with drugs or alcohol is not a defense, Sam, No.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
It never is, Nancy. And I felt that the defense
was using that, saying that because he had been a
drug addict for over twenty five years that somehow that made.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Beating women okay.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
You know, I know a lot of people have done
drugs in their life have never raised a hand to
a male or a female. So me personally hearing that
excuse and defense using it, I mean, and again he
was doing Molly. Molly's supposed to make you loving and
positive and all that stuff anyway, So obviously his violent,
traumatic upbringing is what is really to blame for his
(06:20):
disgusting behavior towards women.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Right, you're ex gonna like you actually believe that his
violent upgrade. He's a multi millionaire, he's living in the
lap of luxury, yet he does to use all of
his advantage to.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Hurt other people. And speaking of hurting other people.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I want you to listen to what we've learned about
the letter Cassie Ventiro wrote the judge, which he totally ignored.
Speaker 7 (06:45):
Cassie bens an emotional three page letter to Judge Subermonium,
recalling that the entire world watch footage of Colmbs kicking
and beating her as she tried to run away from
a freak off. The defense attorneys called her relationship with
Holmes a great modern love story. Nothing could be further
from the truth. It was a horrific decade stained by abuse,
(07:08):
violence for sex, and degradation from which she still suffers
horrific nightmares and flashbacks that require psychological care.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Cassie Vinceira actually moved out of the state of New
York out of fear, to a location where she's keeping
her family and her children.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
She's not the only one in fear. Listen.
Speaker 8 (07:31):
Several of Combs's victims have written to the court urging
against leniency for the rap mogul Cassie and her parents'
assistants Mia and Capricorn Clark, stylist Deontay Nash, and personal
chef Jordan Atkinson have all implored the judge to consider
their safety, the full measure of Combs's harm, and Combs's
troubling lack of accountability as he hands down a sentence.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
There was a warm and fuzzy video created by the
defense that was played in court. You brought up earlier,
Sam that there was nothing like that for any of
the victims. What about the video created by Shawn Combs's
defense team, what was it?
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Well, I mean, it felt, like I said, like a
wedding video or a Nike video or something that you
play at a tribute to somebody a happy Father's Day,
at seventieth birthday party. But it felt totally inappropriate that
they were even allowed to play this.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
And think about how many of us even.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Have this much footage, this high quality footage shot of us,
that we could even edit together something like this.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
And I think you brought up a good point, Nancy.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
When the cameras are on, mister Combs, he knows how
to put on that good act. But when he didn't
know the cameras were on in that inter continental intercontinental hotel,
I think we were seeing a little bit more of
the real.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Shawn Combes, you know what, the dichotom in between what
he did to Cassie in that video, then paid about
one hundred thousand dollars to keep it quiet, to suppress it.
That was the real Seawan times. I guess the judge
forgot about that. Speaking of the video that Shawn comes
as defense team used in court to snow the judge.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Here's part of it. Watch if you dare the heart because.
Speaker 9 (09:18):
You're my heart.
Speaker 10 (09:19):
All right, okay, you my heart.
Speaker 11 (09:22):
Okay, May God bless you and keep you happy and
keep you taking positive. Everything's not gonna be perfect at
this time in life. And you, you're a good person
that understands reality.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
So we're gonna we're gonna.
Speaker 11 (09:38):
Accentuate the positives in life because you're doing great.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Here, bring me the barf bag Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 9 (09:58):
The Heart because you're my heart. O.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
All right, okay, you my heart man.
Speaker 11 (10:03):
Okay, May God bless you and keep you happy and
keep you thinking positive. Everything's not gonna be perfect at
this time in life. And you, you, you're a good
person that understands reality.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
So we're gonna we're.
Speaker 11 (10:18):
Gonna accentuate the positives in life because you're doing great.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Bring me the barf bag. Did you see that? You
want to tell me that Shawn comes.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Shaw comes to spend time with the elderly, not just
the elderly. You know who the little old lady is.
That's kim Porter's. Yes, Yes, that's kim Porter's grandma.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yes, so he's.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Totally using his dead ex lover and her children to
get his sorry we're in, which is in a sling
out of jail, he is using the grandma.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
I mean, like I said, Nancy, the video was extremely odd.
It was it felt so inappropriate inside the courtroom. And
again the magic of editing. I think about that video
without any music. It's like when we go to a
movie and if you just see the actors with no music.
But this video it pulls at your heartstrings because literally
(11:22):
the orchestrated music is making you feel this emotion of
a family man, a father, a hard worker. But again,
like the judge said, it can't be overshadowed by the
video of Cassie Ventura being stomped, on, being kicked, on,
being dragged by her hair. You know, we can see
(11:43):
all the cute wedding videos and editing is amazing. They
have some beautiful shots here, but it's not gonna get
myself or the public, Nancy, to forget what the real
crimes committed here.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Were I about blame.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Shawn Kimes has ever actually married anybody? Did you say
wedding video?
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Yeah, I mean the wedding video for the wedding he
never had.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
But it feels like a wedding.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
It's a tribute. It's a tribute video, a tribute. Yeah,
you know what. I'm not the church lady.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I don't care who marries who or who doesn't marry
anybody that's not a felony.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
So I really don't care.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
But speaking of Cassie Ventura to Sidney Summer, joining US
Crime Stories investigative report, give me a little reality check
about what was done to Cassie Ventura.
Speaker 12 (12:34):
Cassie was exploited us and put in a box. She
had essentially no career because Sean Palms promised to give
her one and then made her have sex with him
for days one end and other sports, giving her UTIs, infections,
(12:56):
source thruses, and even cut her face just before a
movie premiere. Shawn Colms brutally attached Cassie on a regular
basis behind closed doors in public. Prince's own security had
to pull combs off of Casfi at a house party.
(13:17):
Everyone knew it was an open secret that Shawn Holmes
was abusing Casfie Ventura for more than a decade, and
no one did any game. Cassie threatened suicide at least
three times during their relationship. Deontay Nash, her stylist, hit
her in a hotel room, but his efforts were dashed.
(13:38):
When Colm's employee showed up to bring Cassie back to him,
she threatened to go over the balcony. That's how afraid
Cassie was of Shawn Colms. This was a waking nightmare
for her for nearly ten years.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
To Troy Slayton, a defense attorney joining us out of
LA who seemed to stand by the judge's decision, the
limp arrested judge who sentenced Combs to just fifty months
now thirty six months behind bars.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Troy, this is a yes no answer.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
You know what a UTI is? A urinary tract infection.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Do you know what that is? Okay?
Speaker 2 (14:23):
So Cassie Ventura had so many urinary tract infections, mouth infections,
ulcers all over her body that regular antibiotics.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
And this is because of all the freek hosts, the
sex acts she was forced to.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Perform by Combs on video at Freak Coffs that she
didn't want to do. And yes, I know the jury
did not come back guilty on sex trafficking, but no
one ever cross examined her or impeued your credibility on
those issues. So the judge ignored everything that was done
(15:06):
to cast Ventira, everything It didn't amount to.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
A helipenes to him. You guys ulcers nancy.
Speaker 6 (15:16):
When a jury doesn't convict somebody, that means not that
they're innocent, but that they're not guilty of those things.
If even yeah, one jer determines that that it's a
hung jury. But in this case, they found him not guilty.
All twelve jurors agreed that the government failed to meet
(15:37):
their burden.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
But also, when you're not talking.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
About what I asked, James also imposed another part of
the sense, not what I asked you. The judge sentenced
him to a find of a half a million dollars
five hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
He's already made that two times over from behind bars,
ringing out his private jit man, get with it. You
know that means nothing to him.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
Despite all the parade of horribles that you and all
your guests have outlined, why are you calling it.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
A parade of horribles? It was the evidence. I didn't
bring it on. The victims brought it on.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
They testify even the pre sentenced report that doesn't favor
the prosecution, that doesn't favor the defendants.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Came in at about six years.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
So I asked you that I did from that, and
you're answering that question.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
You're giving an answer because you don't like the answer
to the question I asked you, Bethany Marshall, let me
ask you, do you remember all the UTIs and the
busted lips and the video of for getting dragged up
and down the hall of Shawn Colmes and nothing but
a towel.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
He didn't care what anybody thought.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
The beatings, the stomach ulcers, the mouth ulcers, the urinary
tract infections, what the judge forgot about all of it?
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Does happened a few weeks ago.
Speaker 9 (17:03):
You know what happened in court today, Nancy is there's
a parallel process between how p did he treated his
victims and how the court treated the victims. What you
have are materialistic, educated, older, powerful people who do not
think that the victims deserve anything. Brutality was sanctioned today,
(17:25):
just like during wars and other things like that, where
there's brutality and then all of a sudden it's rationalized
or dissociated from as if brutality is okay, Nancy, the
one thing you missed off the list is he actually
smashed her head against was it a bed or a
table and busted her lip right open. He tried to
stop her career. He gave her things, he took them away.
(17:48):
I mean, maybe what if we just use the word assault, blackmail,
and kidnapping with the victim hiding and plain sight. Does
that make it easier for people to digest the reality?
Speaker 2 (17:59):
The years was also confounding Sam Croupan joining us star
of Sampson's World on YouTube. At the very beginning, I
had fate that there would be a substantial sentence because
the judge said, hey, hey, I get to take into
account everything I know about you, even the charges, the
claims and the charges on which you were acquitted.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
But he didn't. He didn't do that.
Speaker 10 (18:26):
Sam.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
I want you to see in that video the way
it comes used his own children today.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Now I'm a full time dad, and I'm gonna be
there for you, do everything, all of y'all every Sunday.
I gotta slow everything down.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
The family.
Speaker 6 (18:42):
Richer gets the.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
Family and each other makes some drugs.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Watching church, there is a definition of grief.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
What a full time dad.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
No, he was all over the world practically every week
doing freak.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Off for two or three days.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Even the night he got arrested, he knew he was
surrendering himself.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
He was having a freak off and a five star
hotel in New York.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Yeah, I mean, Nancy, I think this is kind of
illustrates almost the problem with social media.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
You know, we see.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
People that are able to act like a good parent
because you might see an Instagram post or a video
of them being a good dad. But to me, the
mark of a good father or mother is are you
in that child's life every single day. You know this
wedding video we saw, it's a beautiful montage of his moments.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
I wish somebody could create a video like me to.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Show how great of a father I am. Like this,
But the facts remain. If you want to be a
good parent, it's about.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Every single day showing up.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
It's not about showing up in a video that is
nicely put together with high production and great producers and editors.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
If you're going to be you have to show up.
If you're going to be a parent.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, I do not know what
happened to this judge, but I do know this.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Women all over the world are crushed at this sentence.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Hey, guys, I'm hearing in my ear.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Joining me right now is doctor Dwayne Hendrix, the former
warden at MDC. He is the founder of the New
da Light Foundation, and he's the author of See It,
Say It, Sees It. Doctor Hendrix, thank you for being
with us. Tell me about Seawan Comes's first night back
at the MDC tonight. I understand he's having spaghetti and meatballs,
(20:41):
salad and green beans. But guess what, Doctor Hendrix, Diddy
doesn't like spaghetti.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
He's still upset. He wanted to walk free.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
He even had a speaking engagement set up for Monday
in Miami.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
He's like scaghetti.
Speaker 10 (21:04):
It's gonna be very lonely. And I can tell you
he did not receive a standing ovation when he got back.
And when he gets back to the jail. I'm not
sure if he's back at the facility at this time
right now, but I can tell you when he does
get back, it's gonna be a cold meal. No matter
how warming, it's gonna taste cold to him. And he's
not gonna have a standing ovation. He just needs to.
(21:24):
I think the euphoria of you know, not having those
other charges go against him, the racketeering and we having
a life sentence. But his next plane ride, like we're
discussed in previous shows, his next plane ride is going
to be on a con Air flight with Martin chains
and a black box, and it's not going to be
on a private jet at the Miami this weekend, prepare
(21:47):
for this teaching engagement for on Monday in Miami. So
it's going to be lonely, it's going to be a
cold it's gonna be a cold night. But hopefully his
family will see say, he's a family man, So hopefully
his family will be visiting with him this weekend and
preparing him mentally for what's coming next, which is a
(22:07):
three year sentence at a federal prison somewhere close to
where he's going to release. And I want to clear
some up. I keep hearing somebody he'll be home in
a year and a half. I used to do sentence
calculations for a number of years. He is going to
serve at least twenty eight more months in prison, So
if he gets his fifty four days a good time,
(22:29):
they'll get that, and he may spend about three to
four months on home confinement as long as he behaves
while he's at his next facility. But he will not
be coming home in a year and a half.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
He will, he'll be coming home.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Age to be happy about twenty eight months. Why do
you even say twenty eight months? We all know that
is two years and four months.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
I'm supposed to be happy about that.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
You know how many victims I've represented, how many agassault
victims I've represented that have been beaten like pimp, beaten
by pimps like Sean Combs, more than I can even remember,
and it messes them up the rest of their lives.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
They are never the same.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
If they're lucky enough to have a family after that,
they raise their children in a way that makes them
raise their children in a way it never ends. That
is what Comes did to these women and many many more.
They're lined up filing civil lawsuits with real evidence. Maybe
they'll get a judge that actually listens to the evidence,
(23:37):
unlike this judge. And another thing, Krupin, If you're still
with me, isn't it true? Shawn Comes had a speaking
engagement set up for Monday.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
He was that arrogant to think he was walking today.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Isn't it true he had a speaking engagement or as
you keep saying it, teaching engagement whatever Monday in my.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
I mean, look, it's a teaching engagement in Nancy, not
a There's a big difference between a speaking engagement and
a teaching engagement. He was gonna go to Miami, go
to One Star Island, maybe you know, pop a little
bubbly and go to a teaching engagement.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
You know what, I.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Don't care what it is crouping.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
The point is, Hendrix, can you hear me, doctor Hendrix,
you're the.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Warden, the former warden.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
He was so convinced he had this judge wrapped around
his little finger that he was going to walk today.
So I guess tonight he is over a thirty six
month sentence. To him, that's probably like life behind bars.
Speaker 10 (24:48):
It is, and it's his arrogance just continue to go
on and on and on. But now I think reality
is going to set in, especially in about a month,
and they shouldn't tell him that. I was supposed to
te him where he's going. But he'll be moving. I'm
sure they're going to be moving him out of Brooklyn.
Within the next thirty to forty five days to his
designated facility. And if he doesn't get the point, I
(25:10):
guarantee you when he is shaffled and put on that
plane for several hours until he gets to where he's doing,
the reality is going to set in that all thatsuph
you from coming down off those other charters not being convicted.
He's going to realize that he is now a convicted seller.
So there won't be any speaking in teaching engagements. I'm
(25:32):
sorry anytime soon, and I'll tell you this. He's been
teaching these entrepreneurship classes that the true test is.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Going to be please stop talking going through the classes
he's quote teaching behind bars are called it's all about me, Diddy?
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Enough about me? What do you think about me?
Speaker 2 (25:51):
I mean, I don't want to hear about what he's
teaching behind bars.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
He and beat these women.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
He was convicted on two counts of the Man Act.
Each one has a ten year sentence. He could have
gotten ten on each to run consecutively, that's twenty years. Instead,
he will walk most likely in less than thirty six
months thirty six months max.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
That's what happened in court.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
That is what happened in the court that tried Sean
Comes tonight. Women all over the country, victims beating victims,
sex trafficking victims have taken it on the chin again.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Thanks Judge, you had it all right here.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
You could have sent a message to abusers and rapists,
but you didn't. You talk the talk, Judge O. Yes
you did, and for a moment believed you, but you
did not walk the walk. You probably don't want to
hear it, but I'm telling you the truth. Judge failed.
(27:07):
You are the weak link in the judicial system. You
and you had the power, just like Combs had all
the power, all the advantage, and he squandered it on
a life of victimizing women. I want to thank all
of our guests for being with us tonight, but first
(27:29):
I want to remember heroes. Heroes that come forward and
they fight the good fight, even.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Knowing very well they may lose.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Women against all odds that speak out, and I beg you, ladies,
keep fighting the good fight, because to me, you are
the American hero.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Nancy Grace signing off for tonight. Good night friend,
Host
Nancy Grace
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The heart was always off-limits to surgeons. Cutting into it spelled instant death for the patient. That is, until a ragtag group of doctors scattered across the Midwest and Texas decided to throw out the rule book. Working in makeshift laboratories and home garages, using medical devices made from scavenged machine parts and beer tubes, these men and women invented the field of open heart surgery. Odds are, someone you know is alive because of them. So why has history left them behind? Presented by Chris Pine, CARDIAC COWBOYS tells the gripping true story behind the birth of heart surgery, and the young, Greatest Generation doctors who made it happen. For years, they competed and feuded, racing to be the first, the best, and the most prolific. Some appeared on the cover of Time Magazine, operated on kings and advised presidents. Others ended up disgraced, penniless, and convicted of felonies. Together, they ignited a revolution in medicine, and changed the world.
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.