June 18, 2025 • 42 mins
A juror’s vertigo halted another day of Sean “Diddy” Combs’ sex trafficking trial before it began. The trial will resume Friday after a break for the Juneteenth holiday on Thursday. Prosecutors had planned to rest their case this week after presenting evidence over six weeks, but the delay means they likely won’t finish until Monday.
Combs’ federal racketeering and sex trafficking trial has revealed new details about the disgraced rap mogul. Text messages introduced in court included a surprising item: a list of his favorite sermons. Titled “PD’s Favorite Sermons,” the list was compiled by a YouTube account called “Assistants PD” and surfaced during Jane Doe’s testimony.
Another revelation came from one of the civil sex trafficking lawsuits against Combs, which describes his chief of staff, Kristina Khorram, as “the Ghislaine Maxwell to Combs’ Jeffrey Epstein.”
Prosecutors allege Combs forced Cassie Ventura to take part in so-called “freak-offs,” while the defense claims she participated voluntarily. Jurors again watched footage of Combs’ drug-fueled sex parties, with the defense showing longer clips than the prosecution.
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Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Philip Dubé - Court-Appointed Counsel, Los Angeles County Public Defenders: Criminal & Constitutional Law; Forensics & Mental Health Advocacy
- Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst, Author: "Deal Breaker: When to work on a relationship and when to walk away” Also featured in hit show: "Paris in Love" on Peacock, www.drbethanymarshall.com , Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, Twitter: @DrBethanyLive
- Chris McDonough - Director At the Cold Case Foundation, Former Homicide Detective [worked over 300 homicides in 25-year career], Trained the First Native American Homicide Task Force; Host of YouTube Channel, "The Interview Room"
- Lynn Shaw - Founder and Executive Director of Lynn's Warriors [an organization committed to ending human trafficking and sexual exploitation], Host of Lynn's Warriors on YouTube, website: lynnswarrior.org, X: @lynns_warriors, YouTube: @LynnsWarriors,
- Lauren Conlin - Investigative Journalist, Host of The Outlier Podcast, and also Host of "Corruption: What Happened to Grant Solomon; X- @Conlin_Lauren/ Instagram- @LaurenEmilyConlin/YouTube- @LaurenConlin4
- Tisa Tells - Pop Culture Investigator & Commentator and Host of 'Tisa Tells' on YouTube; YouTube: @TisaTells, Instagram & TikTok: @TisaTellss
- Sydney Sumner - CRIME STORIES Investigative Reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, State versus Sean Combs, the
Diddy Trial, Scoreboard, Winners versus Losers, Stars, the Scars. I'm
Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank
you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
It's somehow he pulls out a not guilty verdict.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
He is going to be hell on wills.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I don't like when you say if he's found not guilty,
he's going to be hell on wheels because I'm totally
getting my car car bomb like kid Cody.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Yeah, there's no coming back from the EDBD, Diddy and
the DDY one. I've gotten them all here. Yeah, it's
gonna come after me. Straight out to TISA.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Tails, joining us at the Monahan Federal Courthouse where Seawan
Combs is being tried on a multi count federal indictment.
TISA the star of TISA Tales on YouTube Tisa What
is the.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Latest, Nancy and one of the most shocking turn of
events canceled today? Why you might ask a third juror
mysteriously came down with vertigo and had to turn around again.
Nothing makes sense this to Sean Ditty's case, and the
government is this close to resting their case, Brendan Pohl
is this close to testifying and putting the final screws
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in on Didty's whole wikle operation. And also people are
saying they're gonna He's gonna pull KK into the fray.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Two.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yes, Ditty's Jeffrey Epstein will have the same Maxwell name
Christina Korum.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
But why is this so odd?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Because first of all, yes, I thought the same thing
you did. Where was Didty when this happened?
Speaker 5 (01:37):
That's right, he's locked up.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
In the MDC. However, you couldn't write this.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Diddy's team, in an astonishing.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Move, the judge acts, does anybody have any objection to
the juror coming back on Friday? The prosecution, no objection,
your honor Diddy. Well, Yana, we need to talk to
our client. We all said, what do you need to
talk about? The juror has assured the judge that he
will be fine from his vertigal and be back Friday morning.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Diddy's team then confirmed and said they wanted a sidebar
because they have further questions about medical. Now why is
this so important? Well, think about it. Diddy has been
trying his best to make a connection with jurors. He
wanted during number six to stay, he wants during number
seven out. I think it's fair to assume that he
does not have that special connection with During number seven. However,
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if they can get this third juror out on medical grounds,
because it's almost a home strategy, they get sick again,
who knows then this alternate and whoever it is did
he must also think he has a special connection with
He can pull that alternate down and he thinks he
can increase his chances, if not for a not guilty verdict,
because let's be rolled, that's not happening, but pull it
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in so that he can actually get this mistrial that
he has been begging and waiting, or at the very
least have better grounds for an appeal. You guys, Judge
didn't call it tell us much. So why is this
show shocking? Well, for one, Judge Aaron has yet to
tell us what's going on with during number seven.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Does he think just because we have a sick.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Day and again, I'll take a six day snow day
anyway I can get it that we do not have questions? Again,
Judge Aaron has been exceedingly fair. He's expected to rule
on during number seven on Friday. That's if this mysterious
sick juror actually comes in again. Diddy has made it
very clear who he thinks he has a special connection with,
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and today he put the wills in motion to try
to find some medical ground to strike this juror out
and to pull this alternate that Diddy has his eyeset
on again. A lot of court intrigue, a lot going on.
We hope the dur is okay, but for right now
we are waiting and bait it breath for what the
judge decides on during number seven and if Diddy's team
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was able to find a medical excuse to dismiss this
third juror and pull in that alternate that Diddy has
been making googly eyes at.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Joining us now outside the Monahan Federal Courthouse, Lauren Colin,
investigative reporter and start of Pop Crime TV on YouTube.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Lauren, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Witness after witness, excruciating detail after excruciating detail, multiple.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Motions for miss trial by the defense. What do you
make of it?
Speaker 5 (04:27):
Yes? I think I speak for everyone here.
Speaker 6 (04:30):
We are very relieved to be moving on and having
the defense start their case.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
In chief.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
I think a lot of people are anxious for the
witness list as well. We've already learned of a couple witnesses,
and I believe the first witness will be a bad
Boy employee who is in charge of HR. The government
has inferred numerous times that the bad Boy HR department
wasn't necessarily quote unquote real, that they just did more
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of Sean Colmes's bidding. So I guess we'll wait and
see when this person takes the stand and Nancy. There
seems to be a lot going on behind the scenes
as well. The judge has been not super happy with
the defense and the government as information has seemed.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
To be leaked to the press. I mean, it's been
never a dull moment here.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
You know, trials are like that.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Joining me Philip Dubay, high profile lawyer out of LA's
tried a lot of cases. Dubay, every trial is like
a very unique animal. It reminds me of Harry Potter
toward the end, where each person was going to do
battle with a dragon, and you basically reach into a
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bag and you pull out a miniature live dragon. You
don't know which one you're going to get, and they're
all lethal and deadly.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
You never know which way a trial is going to go.
You really don't know what the witness is going to say.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Who could have predicted a leak, who could have predicted
all the motions from mistrial? Who could have predicted Sean
Combs getting reprimand and threatened to be thrown out of
the courtroom, yourrs getting thrown off.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Every case is like this.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
There's no predictability when you go to trial.
Speaker 7 (06:13):
Exactly, and frankly, the defense is not even predictable. I
cannot tell you, Nancy, how many times in my career
why I've had to develop a defense mid trial, because
a lot of times the strategy is based on how
the evidence is presented and how it unfolds against the client.
So you have door number one, door number two, and
door number three ready to go depending on how everything
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is presented, and even then you can still lose, or
the jury may throw you a bone and find reasonable doubt.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
I think what you meant to say, Philip Dubay is
that evidence starts pouring from the witness stand during the
state's case and you look at your client like that
is nothing like what you told me really happened, and
so you have to basically step back and do a
hail Mary.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
You have to change your trial strategy.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
And I've seen the defense changing their trial strategy during
this case. Remember when Brian Steele started cross examining one
of the alleged victims in.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
A very genial manner.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I think it was Mia, and Sean Combs was twisting
and turning in his seat, gnashing his teeth and twisting
his tail. And suddenly, after a break, Brian Steele came
at the witness like a steamroller, just tearing her to shreds.
So the trial strategy had to change.
Speaker 7 (07:38):
Yeah, but I got to tell you got to be
very careful because you don't want to turn every witness
into a tripwire. You turned that courtroom into an ultimate landmine,
and you don't want to upset the jury. The practical
reality of it is, Nancy, that defense council has all
discovery ahead of trial. They know exactly what all the
witness statements are, what they intend to say. What's really
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no surprise. The real question is are the witnesses going
to stick to that discovery script? And oftentimes they say
stuff that was not memorialized in the narratives prepared by
the cops. So you have to kind of learn to
quickly pivot, and depending on what they say and how
quickly you pivot, you might have to change your strategy
or overall tactic and maybe even put the client on
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the stand to rebut it all.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Lauren Colin joining us at the on hand Federal Courthouse.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Lauren Colin a rep from the h R Department of
Bad Boy Productions.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Correct, correct, Nancy, Okay.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
I don't know that I would Philip Dubay start my
case off. You know, normally you try to start with
a bam right, and then at the end you want
to start hard and finish hard.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Everybody, Philip Dubay hates h R.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
I mean, is there anybody on the panel that likes
HR human Resources? When you see the Resources lady coming
down the hall, everybody.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Goes, oh no, who did what wrong?
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Now?
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Somebody did so?
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Do Bay?
Speaker 3 (09:08):
I don't know. Calling HR as a star witness is
that wise? And plus an.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
HR witness from Bad Boy Records who's been authorizing the
let's see extortion payment, Correct me if I'm wrong. Lauren
Conlin in City Summer the extortion payment to Cassie Ventura's
mother where they want a twenty grand and the quid
pro quo was not leaking orgy videos, freak off videos
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of their daughter who was just starting in her music career.
That was through bad Boy records, all the casts that
flowed through them, that the sex workers were paid with
the buying the drugs, buy bad Boy employees. I mean,
you're putting up a bad boy HR person that cross
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examination out. I mean, is that the way to kick
a case off debate as one of your star witnesses.
Speaker 7 (10:07):
Of course, it is one of the best kept secrets
about HR in every corporation, in every business throughout America
is they're there to protect the company. They don't really
care about employee interests. As a practical matter, they do
damage control, risk management. They try to assess what if
anything that's getting reported to them or what if anything
they've observed could put the company at risk of liability.
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So they're not going to say or do anything that
could harm the company because that's where their loyalty lives.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Okay, you're still pretending that this is a company instead
of Sean Combe's alter ego to doctor Bethany Marshall, joining
us renown psycho analysts out of the LA.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Jurisdiction author of deal Breakers.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
You can see her on Peacock and find her at
doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Why does everybody hate HR?
Speaker 8 (10:52):
You know, Nancy, Most of my patients who come in
with major depressive disorder or sudden psychiatric symptoms, often they've
gotten into with their companies and HR has come in
and confronted them. And Philip Dubay is right. HR is
always on the side of the company. Although, as you
pointed out, what company right? So this is basically HR
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doing pdd's bidding. But it's not a good idea. It's
not a good look when you see HR coming down
the hall, and also when you get in trouble with HR,
everybody else knows about And whenever I submit insurance claims,
my patient's first question is are they going to find
out about this in HR? They're terrified of HR?
Speaker 1 (11:33):
And you know what's so interesting? I don't know interesting
is the right word. Let me say sham Lynn Shaw
joining me, founder executive director Lynn's Warriors, committed to ending
sex trafficking and sex abuse of girls and Women's really
the head of h R in a sex trafficking case?
(11:55):
Where was HR when all of this was happening.
Speaker 9 (11:58):
Yeah, HR equals hell racket exactly, Nancy, where were they when,
in my opinion, this is nothing more of this bad
boy worldwide Entertainment production company with their names splattered all
over this skyscraper down the street from me here in
New York was doing all these things to these victims,
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alleged victims and these women. Where were they to step
in and say, hey, you know, if this was even
a legitimate business, which I don't think it was at all,
you can't do this, dirty diddy, because this will affect business.
And I use that loosely business. You better stop with
these women, You better clean up your act. Nobody did anything.
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This is such a criminal enterprise. I can clearly see it.
It is the playbook vulnerable people, powerful people over less
fortunate people. So this hell racket equals HR is a
big zero. I bet you there was no office, no HR,
no anything. He had one or two people that were
there to protect dirty ditty and the enterprise, the criminal enterprise,
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in my opinion, So let's put the focus back on
victims and survivors of this dirty ditty and all victims
and survivors of sexual exploitation. Where's the HR companies for
all of them. They do not exist. Dirty ditty done
going down Hell. Racket No HR in that big building
down the street.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
And they will be riding HR's tailpipe straight on the
way to Hell. To Lauren Colin joining me outside the courthouse.
One of the one of the final witnesses for the State,
Special Agent Dealisa Penland. All right, now. Penland was in
charge of a lot of documents and records, and Penland
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was used to tie it all together explain the significance
of one of the state's last witnesses.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
What we saw, Nancy from Special Agent Penland was charts
and graphs and records which were essentially proof of flight
for escorts.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
We saw Jewles Theodore.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
We saw a flight for him from la to New
York City, and then we saw a London hotel invoice
and then text messages corresponding Cassy Ventura corresponding with Jewels Theodore.
In addition, we also saw Clayton Howard, who was another escort,
his flight records, his hotel records, and other correspondences between
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he and Cassie Ventura. And we also saw Sean Colmes's
bank records and AMEX bills which were paid with these
specific banks matching up to all of these charts and grafts,
and it was very, very detailed. And then I think
the biggest thing of the morning with this special Agent
testimony was the correspondences and communications from March fifth, twenty
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sixteen to March seventh, twenty sixteen, which was the morning
of Cassie's beating, all the way up until he finally
got the tape from the security guard.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
So we saw all of.
Speaker 6 (15:04):
The I want to say, upwards of one hundred miss
pauls that Sean Combs made to Cassie that day, which
then escalated to Christina Quorum calling Cassie and then Christina
Qorum corresponding with another assistant to try to get this
video all the way up until Eddie Garcia was corresponding
with Sean Colmbs, and then we saw the premiere the
Perfect Match premiere photo of Cassi Venturo, which happened the
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very next day when she had the bruised eye and
the busted lift, So they put all of this together
for us. However, Tenny Geragos did point out a couple
of things.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
That were wrong on the chart.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
She pointed out a date where Cassie Ventura wasn't actually
in the country. She was in South Africa, and they
had passy kind of matching.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Up to this one hotel.
Speaker 6 (15:49):
But overall it was a very important summary witness because
we saw all of the records that go directly with
the indictment.
Speaker 10 (15:59):
Special Agent Lisa Penland's summary chart regarding meetings Cassie Ventura
attended has seventy one separate entries, and Penland testified the
chart only includes entries for meetings that have associated video footage.
Cassie previously testified it was impossible to determine exactly how
many freak coughs she endured, but estimated hundreds. Penland is
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set to go over a similar chart regarding Colme's meetings
with Jane next.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Did he stakes exhibit triple X super disgusting?
Speaker 3 (16:29):
The jury is.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Watching you button naked or maybe he had a burke
on the freak cough Hotel nine King Night.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Most of us call it sex trafficking caught on video.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
So Lauren Colin the defense at the beginning, said their
case would last weeks a month, and now they just
drop a bomb in the courtroom, say.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Oh yeah, it's really only got to be three.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Or four days what do you anticipate the defense has
in store for the jury.
Speaker 6 (16:57):
Nancy, I feel like what we're gonna see is people
from his different entities, different companies who are going to
get on the stand and really try.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
To legitimize everything.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
I also feel like you may have a handful of
character witnesses as well. Perhaps they'll be an expert to
combat doctor don Hughes and her testimony.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
That's what I'm thinking so far.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
The problem with character witnesses is Lauren Colin, and You're right,
he needs a character redo. Once the defense brings on
good character, the state can then bring on bad character,
which typically is not allowed in a criminal case because
the claim by the defense is the defendant will be
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tried on their bad reputation, and therefore the state is
not allowed to bring that in on itself.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Think of a vampire, Lauren Conlin.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
You have to invite it across the threshold before it
sucks your blood and you die. Same thing with bad
character evidence. You can't just bring it on because you
know the defend has been convicted before. You have to
either use it as a similar transaction to prove your
case in chief, or wait, lie and wait for the
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defense to say one word about good character, and by
doing that they open the door and the state can
step over the threshold and bomb the defense with bad character.
I A convictions, So are they willing to risk that?
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But you did say you think that we have in
store witnesses to legitimize, legitimize what.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
His businesses, Colm's enterprise, bad Boy records, everything that we've
seen so far, I do feel like we're going to
see people that worked for him who had no idea
what was going on behind closed doors, what was going
on at night. And we actually got a taste of
this from the CFO that the government brought on.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
This was a man that went to her extremely.
Speaker 6 (19:01):
Polished, and they kind of used him to go through
some of the money that was transferred from Cassy's parent
to Bad Boy, and this CFO kind of said, yeah,
that's what it says, but I had.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
No idea what was going on.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
So I actually feel like there's going to be more
people like him, just not testifying about anything to farious,
just saying that yeah, everything was legitimate. This LLC, this person,
and this company. They had a huge share in this.
So mister Holmes didn't have all the control here. He
was actually just a fraction of having control over this company.
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I mean, listen, this is this is.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
What we wear.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Why don't you just hand over the irs returns for
the last ten years that be done with it. What
does that have to do with forced orgies and sex
trafficking business records?
Speaker 3 (19:50):
My rear ran, what are you talking about? Woman?
Speaker 6 (19:52):
I totally understand what you're saying, but this is this
is what I feel like is going to happen. Based
on the testimony of this one CFO, I felt like
that actually went well for the defense, and so they're
running from there saying, Okay, we need to get more
guys like this who will sit here and say Diddy
did not have one hundred percent control of all of
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these different entities. He only had a fraction of control.
So how how could he be responsible of paying all
this money illegally, you know, through this company?
Speaker 1 (20:24):
When the jury cares about who had control of all
the entities, I think they're concerned about who had control
of what's in his pants and what is in the
pants of the sex workers and what they were doing
against the will of the victims.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Okay, hold on Lauren Common, how long do you believe now,
remember they're lying, how long you're gonna have to throw
out anything they said? How long do you believe the
defense case is going to go? How many days?
Speaker 5 (21:05):
My best guess would be about a week and a half.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Oh, so you're giving them seven eight days of testimony?
I am only because of the person, but I guarantee
you it'll be less than that.
Speaker 6 (21:15):
I only say this because things seem to come up
every day and then we get behind because these things
come up again, jurror issues issues with evidence, the defense
wanting a mistrial. I mean, things come up and we
get behind, and we end up losing hours in the
courtroom at times. So that's why I'm giving them a
little bit of a grace period here.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Okay, you know what, You're right, Lauren Comlin, You're absolutely right. Okay,
So you're saying seven to eight days due to delays
in the courtroom, not because they're putting up eight days
worth of testimony and evidence. Next big question will comes
override his lawyers because you know, he really does know
everything in his mind and take the stand?
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Will come take the stand?
Speaker 6 (22:01):
Lauren Comlin, No way, Nancy, And I say this because
specifically about the kid Putty incident, the alleged arson and
the alleged trespassing. I feel like generally and intellectually we
all know that he was responsible. However, on paper and
legally they can't exactly prove it, so there is some
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doubt there. I feel like if he was to get
up up on the stand, they could directly ask him
about this and he can't perjure himself.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
And that was a single best move that my old
co inch or god rest is soul Johnny Cochrane ever made,
was somehow beating down OJ Simpson. So he didn't take
the stand, but oh it was quite the production. When
the defense rested, Simpson was like, huh, I want to
take the stand, but they're not letting me.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Those a holes aren't letting me.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
So I'm sure cons will put on a big show
in the courtroom and act like I really want to
do I do, but she won't let me. As opposed
to idiot Alex Murdogg, his lawyers told him not to
take the stand and he took it and got convicted.
So I am willing to bet that Brian Steel and
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Tanna Gerrigos, both of them great lawyers, will sit on
Combs and keep him physically from taking the stand.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
He did a voodoo ritual.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
And he's probably doing blood ritual sacrifices on the rats
and brooches in his jail cell.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
You started this, Destales, not me did.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
He pulled the bird from the cage and threw it
into the air.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
It was dead.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
The poor bird sacrificed its life in exchange for not guilty.
It's going to take more than voodoo rituals to pull
this one out of his.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
You know where.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
It has literally been weeks in the Monahan Federal Courthouse
for the state to put up its case. What does
the defense hold? Well, for one thing, what about the witnesses?
The state didn't specifically Sean Combe's cheap of step. I
guess you stole that phrase from the White House. I'm
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talking about Christina Korum.
Speaker 11 (24:12):
Listen, Sean Diddy, Combs's chief of staph Christina Korum, has
been accused of numerous atrocities, from forcing employees to carry
drugs or recruit women for freak offs to standing witness
to a gang rape after trying to place an iud
in the victim. Quorum, whom Combs has referred to as
his sole sister and right hand worked for the mogul
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for more than a decade after previous roles at Paramount
Pictures in Burberry. The two were previously close, with Comb's
posting a long birthday message for Quorum on Instagram.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Wow, Okay, that was a bombshell. Now let me just stay.
Christina Korum denies everything, But isn't it true? Sidney Sumner?
The state made a comment in open court where they
referred to Christada Korum as an unnamed co defendant.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Didn't that happen? Is that how they referred.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
To her an unnamed co conspirator? Nancy? And that was
the comment that led everyone to believe that we would
see Korum testifying for the government, But it seems like
she won't take the stand to prove their case. Now
most interesting to me, Nancy. In Special Agent Penland's testimony,
going over all of these text messages records, it is
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finally Ben Pruven that Christina Korum knew that escorts were
being invited to these hotel Knights. We've had previous assistants
testify that Koram just told them the hotel Knights were
Cone's private time with women. But we now know that
she was fully aware that there were escorts going to
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those rooms, and Cone's assistants and bodyguards were providing cash
for him to pay for those escorts.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
So those are the texts that Homeland Security Special Agent
Penland rounded up and corralled and presented to the jury
right near the end of the state's case. And that's
what I'm talking about. For instance, when you put a
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case to the grand jury, right, hearsay is allowed in
the grand jury, and the most effective way to do
that and direct is to put on your lead investigator.
Since hearsay is allowed, the lead investigator can testify to
what this one said, what that one said, all of
the search warrants, all of the wire types, all the evidence,
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and one fell swoop of a witness. Okay, that's what
Penland did. Penland brought it all together with texts, emails,
documents that Sidney Summer's talking about to show to the
jury what was really happening. That may be one of
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the reasons, out to Philip Dubay, that they didn't bring.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
On Korum, Christina Korum, the chief of staff, the soul sister,
because why allow her on.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
The stand when the defense would then have her on
cross and that would be basically seawan Comb's testifying, and
every once in a while she'd go, yes, that's right,
that's right, that's right to agnifilo or steal or tenny garages.
So why risk that cross examination where korm can explain
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everything away as best as she can, When you can
get the same damning evidence in through her texts and emails,
they can't be cross examined.
Speaker 7 (27:53):
It it was brilliantly charged. When you look at the indictment,
you have all these people who are named as unindicted
co conspirators. So what that lands the prosecution without running
a foul of that Crawford hearsay rule. The US Supreme
Court case is that statements made by co conspirators can
come into evidence without violating due process and the federal
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rules against hearsay. So yes, they can come in for
their truth. Frankly, not even as an exception. And if
the defense feels that clarification for further explanation is needed,
they can put her.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
On Sidney Center.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
The eye popping number, the painful number, forty six thousand,
seven hundred eighty six, forty six thousand, seven hundred eighty
six dollars for.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
What damage to the Penthouse suite at the air Continental
Hotels on Times Square. That number is ridiculous, Nancy. That's
a down payment for a whole for some people, and
fifty k on damages to a penthouse for one stay.
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And that's back in twenty twelve, So extremely concerning. What
could he have possibly done to this room? We know
baby oil was used, ube handle wax was usually everywhere,
but I just can't even stab them. How you possibly
create that much damage in a hotel room?
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Doctor Beveny Marshall, help me
quickly a fifty thousand dollars hotel damage bill to the
Penthouse suite in New York City. We heard within the
last seventy two hours that there was so much baby oil.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
There were actually two slip and falls and one.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Day with the baby oil that when they saw combs
coming in they check in ladies, quick, quick, quick.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
There's add on one thousand dollars up front for the
room damage.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
They would have to put out air freshener's glade.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Is not going to fix that, okay, uh uh.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
You can put out candles all over, and they did
put candles all over that penthouse, sweet, and it is
not going to get rid of the stink that's going
to go down during those free costs. So they would
see Combs is on too razia like quick, quick, quick,
add one thousand dollars up front, one thousand dollars. This
is nearly forty seven thousand dollars. That's not even the
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rental for the room. That's the damages after free.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Calls and after.
Speaker 8 (30:49):
It'd be interesting to see what their budget the hotel's
budget is for decorating per room. So let's say it's
fifty thousand dollars for the penthouse. They are re they're
really redoing, reconstructing, and redecorating that room. I would imagine
they're pulling up the carpet, they're repainting, they're buying new furniture.
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You can't fix something like this, Nancy. And also it
makes me think about not just the lube, but the
instruments of violence that might have been in that room.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Whips, maybe knives maybe don't make me laugh now, some
things never go away.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
They had to pay five hundred dollars for the curtains alone.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
What was done to one curtain? Five?
Speaker 8 (31:41):
Maybe someone was swinging from it. What about the fine art,
and what about and then what.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
About the kitchens? And go away?
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Or do you need one of these ultrasonic germ cleaners?
And then people will come into that Penthouse the next
day or whenever it got cleaned again and just sit
down on those questions having no idea. They were sitting
on top of freakoff terms.
Speaker 8 (32:06):
Well, now, Nancy is going to be like selling a
house where somebody died. You just can't do it. You know,
if people know that somebody's been sick and died in
a house, they don't want to purchase it. Now everybody
knows about p Diddy's hotel nights and freakofs and where
they happened. Do you think those discerning clients are going
to want to book a room at the Penthouse at
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this hotel at the Innerconto Continental in New York City?
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Probably not Mary freak Off Christmas. They're viewing battery. It's
like eating a dirt sandwich.
Speaker 8 (32:36):
What is being done to these women.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Tours coming to mind?
Speaker 8 (32:39):
Freaky pers Are they being sodomized? Are they being chained
in compromising positions?
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Are they so out of it.
Speaker 8 (32:46):
They don't know what's happening them?
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Are they being whipped?
Speaker 1 (32:49):
I just want to wash my mouth out with the strine,
with lysol, with rubbing alcohol. To doctor Bethany Marshall joining us, renow,
it's like the analysts out of.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
The LA jurisdiction.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Speaking of Christina Korum okay, I guarantee I know one
person that would hold her just as liable although she
declares her innocence as Seawn Combs. That's going to be
Lenn Shaw, and I want Lynn Shaw to hear this.
Speaker 12 (33:21):
Mat will will discuss sexual topics with the victim and
undressed in front of the victim.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Will be pressent pro cess ask involving the minor.
Speaker 12 (33:31):
Latives in Evertha Maxwell's the presence as a destilled woman
helpful the videos at ease. As Maxwell and Editing intended,
this moning process left the minor beata's susceptible to sexual abuse.
Speaker 10 (33:51):
That is just included sexualized.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Messages during the minor dati, whether fully or partially anew
the social.
Speaker 12 (34:01):
Wide nostalgists developed into sexual encounters for Mascal and some
distances were as.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
In a participation.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
That's Audrey Strauss, that is, the US attorney for the
Southern District of New York. And she is talking about
Elaine Maxwell, who was the madam, the pimp for a
now deceased Jeffrey Epstein. Now the comparison between Christina Korum
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and Sean Combs has been made, comparing too Jelaine Maxwell
to Epstein.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
And the girls.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
The victims that Audrey Strauss was describing were girls literally
school girls.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
What effect did that have on the victims?
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Well, three of them have committed suicide, most recently Virginia Jeffery.
Three after living through Julane Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein and
the sex abuse as young girls, they committed suicide. Three
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three people committed suicide, and then Epstein reportedly killed himself. Now,
Christina Korm again, there you go. What are they smiling about?
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Nothing good? That's just like the cripkeeper smiling at you. Yeah,
that can't mean anything good. You know, woman, button up
your shirt. She's behind bars right now.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Christina Korm did not take the stand, and you gotta
wonder why so. Lynn Shaw joining me, executive director and
founder of Lynn's Warriors, committed to ending sex abuse and
sex trafficking of women and girls. You know, even the
devil has an assistant that would be bills. Abub Corum
(36:06):
has not been indicted, and she declares her innocence.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
What do you make of it?
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Because based on what we heard right at the tail
and of the States case, she knew about all those
sex workers.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
She knew exactly what was going on.
Speaker 9 (36:20):
What do I make of it? We don't have enough
time for me to tell you what we make of it.
First of all, we find with our work at the Warriors,
there is always a woman involved as the right hand,
maybe sometimes not visible, she is always there. She's always
acting as that facilitator, as that big sister, especially with
these very vulnerable girls and women, or that mother figure
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that they never had. And they know everything, And frankly,
we never had any closure in my opinion, with Jeffrey
Epstein and Gallaine Maxwell. They tell us she's in prison.
Who really knows where she is because I haven't seen
any videos of her walking around the prison, you know, backyard,
or playing basketball or any of that stuff.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
One never knows.
Speaker 9 (37:00):
We also know at the Warriors, and we have worked
with a lot of Epstein victims, they are in a
severe mental state. A lot of them now have reached
out to me hearing about this dirty Ditty case. They
are re traumatized, revictimized. They feel like is them, even
though they may have had nothing to do with Diddy.
So what I say about Christina Korum and I'm sitting
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here listening to all of this, you know what, they
can't possibly let her get on the stand because she
will just She's already proven to us she knew about
all of this, so she'll have to answer questions. And
I'm no lawyer, but they can't let her anywhere near that.
But you know what, in some ways shape or form
this woman. I don't know how she puts her head
on the pillow at night. She put out a paragraph
about a month or so ago. She knew nothing. You
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know what that is, BS, She knew nothing. We have
all these text messages. Women went to her for help.
She did not do anything to help them. That's the
Dirty Diddy way, the King Knights and all that. So
we have to do something with her afterwards.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
I don't know what can be done.
Speaker 9 (37:56):
Again, I'm not a lawyer. She knows everything, she knew everything,
and she did nothing. Shame on her not to help
these women.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Earlier.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Lauren Collin, who's joining us right now from the courthouse
mentioned the possibility of character witnesses being brought in to
help Sean Comes. Well, our friend Jimmy Kimmel has something
to say about that.
Speaker 13 (38:18):
Kanye showed up to support his friend, did he, At
which point the prosecution said, we rest our.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Case back from our friends at Jimmy Kimmel.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Okay, bringing on character witnesses will absolutely missfire. While Christina
Korum didn't show up for court, Kanye did. I'm sure
the defense dodged a bullet and they knew it.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
When Kanye was forced to go in.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
The overflow room, Philip Debay, can you imagine Kanye with
that nine hundred thousand dollars mouthful of titanium teeth, drooling
and dragging along Beyoncusten sorry, his naked wife with him
into the court room and plopping down right behind Sean
Comes with character witnesses like that, Yeah, case close debate.
Speaker 7 (39:09):
Well, he's not testifying. He just went there to lend
some support. And I got to tell you, out of
all the trials I've done, Nancy, it is really rare
for people to come to court and really stand in support.
They don't even want to be associated with the charges.
With the defendants who are on trial, and they just
kind of stay remote from all the proceeding. So I
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actually give him a lot of credit for making an
appearance and at least sort of signaling to Diddy that
he's standing by his side. And hopefully they can be
friends if and when he has ever acquitted or maybe.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Even you even know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
At the jail.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
Friends, what are they going to do? Braide each other's hair.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
And skip down the skip down the lane holding hands.
Speaker 5 (39:53):
Friends.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
Okay, maybe they could be friends.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Okay, I got another thing throw at you, another curve ball,
and this is going at about a ninety eight mph baller.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Here we go.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
While we did see Korum and thankfully for the defense,
Kanye didn't PLoP down in the actual courtroom in front
of the jurors behind Combs. There have been fixtures in
the courtroom.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Combs has paraded his children.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
In the courtroom during State's exhibit Triple X through all
the discussion of male sex workers for sex beatings, you
name it, and again our legal expert Jimmy Kimmel is
weighing in.
Speaker 13 (40:43):
His mother, sister, and three sons were in the court
room listening to his ex talk about these orgies not
the ideal take your family to workday.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
That and before was from our friends at Jimmy Kimmel
on ABC. I think he's right what happened, Sidney Sumner.
His children were in the courtroom on and off throughout
some of the worst state's evidence.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
That's exactly right. Colm's daughters have been in the courtroom
much less frequently than his sons, but at least two
of his sons, his mother and his sister, have been
in the courtroom for.
Speaker 14 (41:21):
All of the heenus evidence, including when Jane testified about
the sick NBA role place fantasy that Combs put her
through where he was Magic Johnson. So they have been
in for a lot, and I'm frankly surprised that they
haven't excused themselves more often.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
We are waiting as justice unfolds. And now we remember
an American hero, Officer Crystal rivera Chicago PD just forty six,
gunned down in the line of duty, survived by daughter
BELLA American hero Crystal GROVERA Nancy Grace signing off good
(42:06):
bye friend.
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, State versus Sean Combs, the
Diddy Trial, Scoreboard, Winners versus Losers, Stars, the Scars. I'm
Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank
you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
It's somehow he pulls out a not guilty verdict.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
He is going to be hell on wills.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I don't like when you say if he's found not guilty,
he's going to be hell on wheels because I'm totally
getting my car car bomb like kid Cody.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Yeah, there's no coming back from the EDBD, Diddy and
the DDY one. I've gotten them all here. Yeah, it's
gonna come after me. Straight out to TISA.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Tails, joining us at the Monahan Federal Courthouse where Seawan
Combs is being tried on a multi count federal indictment.
TISA the star of TISA Tales on YouTube Tisa What
is the.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Latest, Nancy and one of the most shocking turn of
events canceled today? Why you might ask a third juror
mysteriously came down with vertigo and had to turn around again.
Nothing makes sense this to Sean Ditty's case, and the
government is this close to resting their case, Brendan Pohl
is this close to testifying and putting the final screws
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in on Didty's whole wikle operation. And also people are
saying they're gonna He's gonna pull KK into the fray.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Two.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yes, Ditty's Jeffrey Epstein will have the same Maxwell name
Christina Korum.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
But why is this so odd?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Because first of all, yes, I thought the same thing
you did. Where was Didty when this happened?
Speaker 5 (01:37):
That's right, he's locked up.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
In the MDC. However, you couldn't write this.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Diddy's team, in an astonishing.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Move, the judge acts, does anybody have any objection to
the juror coming back on Friday? The prosecution, no objection,
your honor Diddy. Well, Yana, we need to talk to
our client. We all said, what do you need to
talk about? The juror has assured the judge that he
will be fine from his vertigal and be back Friday morning.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Diddy's team then confirmed and said they wanted a sidebar
because they have further questions about medical. Now why is
this so important? Well, think about it. Diddy has been
trying his best to make a connection with jurors. He
wanted during number six to stay, he wants during number
seven out. I think it's fair to assume that he
does not have that special connection with During number seven. However,
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if they can get this third juror out on medical grounds,
because it's almost a home strategy, they get sick again,
who knows then this alternate and whoever it is did
he must also think he has a special connection with
He can pull that alternate down and he thinks he
can increase his chances, if not for a not guilty verdict,
because let's be rolled, that's not happening, but pull it
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in so that he can actually get this mistrial that
he has been begging and waiting, or at the very
least have better grounds for an appeal. You guys, Judge
didn't call it tell us much. So why is this
show shocking? Well, for one, Judge Aaron has yet to
tell us what's going on with during number seven.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Does he think just because we have a sick.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Day and again, I'll take a six day snow day
anyway I can get it that we do not have questions? Again,
Judge Aaron has been exceedingly fair. He's expected to rule
on during number seven on Friday. That's if this mysterious
sick juror actually comes in again. Diddy has made it
very clear who he thinks he has a special connection with,
(03:31):
and today he put the wills in motion to try
to find some medical ground to strike this juror out
and to pull this alternate that Diddy has his eyeset
on again. A lot of court intrigue, a lot going on.
We hope the dur is okay, but for right now
we are waiting and bait it breath for what the
judge decides on during number seven and if Diddy's team
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was able to find a medical excuse to dismiss this
third juror and pull in that alternate that Diddy has
been making googly eyes at.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Joining us now outside the Monahan Federal Courthouse, Lauren Colin,
investigative reporter and start of Pop Crime TV on YouTube.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Lauren, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Witness after witness, excruciating detail after excruciating detail, multiple.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Motions for miss trial by the defense. What do you
make of it?
Speaker 5 (04:27):
Yes? I think I speak for everyone here.
Speaker 6 (04:30):
We are very relieved to be moving on and having
the defense start their case.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
In chief.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
I think a lot of people are anxious for the
witness list as well. We've already learned of a couple witnesses,
and I believe the first witness will be a bad
Boy employee who is in charge of HR. The government
has inferred numerous times that the bad Boy HR department
wasn't necessarily quote unquote real, that they just did more
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of Sean Colmes's bidding. So I guess we'll wait and
see when this person takes the stand and Nancy. There
seems to be a lot going on behind the scenes
as well. The judge has been not super happy with
the defense and the government as information has seemed.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
To be leaked to the press. I mean, it's been
never a dull moment here.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
You know, trials are like that.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Joining me Philip Dubay, high profile lawyer out of LA's
tried a lot of cases. Dubay, every trial is like
a very unique animal. It reminds me of Harry Potter
toward the end, where each person was going to do
battle with a dragon, and you basically reach into a
(05:43):
bag and you pull out a miniature live dragon. You
don't know which one you're going to get, and they're
all lethal and deadly.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
You never know which way a trial is going to go.
You really don't know what the witness is going to say.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Who could have predicted a leak, who could have predicted
all the motions from mistrial? Who could have predicted Sean
Combs getting reprimand and threatened to be thrown out of
the courtroom, yourrs getting thrown off.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Every case is like this.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
There's no predictability when you go to trial.
Speaker 7 (06:13):
Exactly, and frankly, the defense is not even predictable. I
cannot tell you, Nancy, how many times in my career
why I've had to develop a defense mid trial, because
a lot of times the strategy is based on how
the evidence is presented and how it unfolds against the client.
So you have door number one, door number two, and
door number three ready to go depending on how everything
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is presented, and even then you can still lose, or
the jury may throw you a bone and find reasonable doubt.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
I think what you meant to say, Philip Dubay is
that evidence starts pouring from the witness stand during the
state's case and you look at your client like that
is nothing like what you told me really happened, and
so you have to basically step back and do a
hail Mary.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
You have to change your trial strategy.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
And I've seen the defense changing their trial strategy during
this case. Remember when Brian Steele started cross examining one
of the alleged victims in.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
A very genial manner.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I think it was Mia, and Sean Combs was twisting
and turning in his seat, gnashing his teeth and twisting
his tail. And suddenly, after a break, Brian Steele came
at the witness like a steamroller, just tearing her to shreds.
So the trial strategy had to change.
Speaker 7 (07:38):
Yeah, but I got to tell you got to be
very careful because you don't want to turn every witness
into a tripwire. You turned that courtroom into an ultimate landmine,
and you don't want to upset the jury. The practical
reality of it is, Nancy, that defense council has all
discovery ahead of trial. They know exactly what all the
witness statements are, what they intend to say. What's really
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no surprise. The real question is are the witnesses going
to stick to that discovery script? And oftentimes they say
stuff that was not memorialized in the narratives prepared by
the cops. So you have to kind of learn to
quickly pivot, and depending on what they say and how
quickly you pivot, you might have to change your strategy
or overall tactic and maybe even put the client on
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the stand to rebut it all.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Lauren Colin joining us at the on hand Federal Courthouse.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Lauren Colin a rep from the h R Department of
Bad Boy Productions.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Correct, correct, Nancy, Okay.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
I don't know that I would Philip Dubay start my
case off. You know, normally you try to start with
a bam right, and then at the end you want
to start hard and finish hard.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Everybody, Philip Dubay hates h R.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
I mean, is there anybody on the panel that likes
HR human Resources? When you see the Resources lady coming
down the hall, everybody.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Goes, oh no, who did what wrong?
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Now?
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Somebody did so?
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Do Bay?
Speaker 3 (09:08):
I don't know. Calling HR as a star witness is
that wise? And plus an.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
HR witness from Bad Boy Records who's been authorizing the
let's see extortion payment, Correct me if I'm wrong. Lauren
Conlin in City Summer the extortion payment to Cassie Ventura's
mother where they want a twenty grand and the quid
pro quo was not leaking orgy videos, freak off videos
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of their daughter who was just starting in her music career.
That was through bad Boy records, all the casts that
flowed through them, that the sex workers were paid with
the buying the drugs, buy bad Boy employees. I mean,
you're putting up a bad boy HR person that cross
(09:58):
examination out. I mean, is that the way to kick
a case off debate as one of your star witnesses.
Speaker 7 (10:07):
Of course, it is one of the best kept secrets
about HR in every corporation, in every business throughout America
is they're there to protect the company. They don't really
care about employee interests. As a practical matter, they do
damage control, risk management. They try to assess what if
anything that's getting reported to them or what if anything
they've observed could put the company at risk of liability.
(10:31):
So they're not going to say or do anything that
could harm the company because that's where their loyalty lives.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Okay, you're still pretending that this is a company instead
of Sean Combe's alter ego to doctor Bethany Marshall, joining
us renown psycho analysts out of the LA.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Jurisdiction author of deal Breakers.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
You can see her on Peacock and find her at
doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Why does everybody hate HR?
Speaker 8 (10:52):
You know, Nancy, Most of my patients who come in
with major depressive disorder or sudden psychiatric symptoms, often they've
gotten into with their companies and HR has come in
and confronted them. And Philip Dubay is right. HR is
always on the side of the company. Although, as you
pointed out, what company right? So this is basically HR
(11:13):
doing pdd's bidding. But it's not a good idea. It's
not a good look when you see HR coming down
the hall, and also when you get in trouble with HR,
everybody else knows about And whenever I submit insurance claims,
my patient's first question is are they going to find
out about this in HR? They're terrified of HR?
Speaker 1 (11:33):
And you know what's so interesting? I don't know interesting
is the right word. Let me say sham Lynn Shaw
joining me, founder executive director Lynn's Warriors, committed to ending
sex trafficking and sex abuse of girls and Women's really
the head of h R in a sex trafficking case?
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Where was HR when all of this was happening.
Speaker 9 (11:58):
Yeah, HR equals hell racket exactly, Nancy, where were they when,
in my opinion, this is nothing more of this bad
boy worldwide Entertainment production company with their names splattered all
over this skyscraper down the street from me here in
New York was doing all these things to these victims,
(12:18):
alleged victims and these women. Where were they to step
in and say, hey, you know, if this was even
a legitimate business, which I don't think it was at all,
you can't do this, dirty diddy, because this will affect business.
And I use that loosely business. You better stop with
these women, You better clean up your act. Nobody did anything.
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This is such a criminal enterprise. I can clearly see it.
It is the playbook vulnerable people, powerful people over less
fortunate people. So this hell racket equals HR is a
big zero. I bet you there was no office, no HR,
no anything. He had one or two people that were
there to protect dirty ditty and the enterprise, the criminal enterprise,
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in my opinion, So let's put the focus back on
victims and survivors of this dirty ditty and all victims
and survivors of sexual exploitation. Where's the HR companies for
all of them. They do not exist. Dirty ditty done
going down Hell. Racket No HR in that big building
down the street.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
And they will be riding HR's tailpipe straight on the
way to Hell. To Lauren Colin joining me outside the courthouse.
One of the one of the final witnesses for the State,
Special Agent Dealisa Penland. All right, now. Penland was in
charge of a lot of documents and records, and Penland
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was used to tie it all together explain the significance
of one of the state's last witnesses.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
What we saw, Nancy from Special Agent Penland was charts
and graphs and records which were essentially proof of flight
for escorts.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
We saw Jewles Theodore.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
We saw a flight for him from la to New
York City, and then we saw a London hotel invoice
and then text messages corresponding Cassy Ventura corresponding with Jewels Theodore.
In addition, we also saw Clayton Howard, who was another escort,
his flight records, his hotel records, and other correspondences between
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he and Cassie Ventura. And we also saw Sean Colmes's
bank records and AMEX bills which were paid with these
specific banks matching up to all of these charts and grafts,
and it was very, very detailed. And then I think
the biggest thing of the morning with this special Agent
testimony was the correspondences and communications from March fifth, twenty
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sixteen to March seventh, twenty sixteen, which was the morning
of Cassie's beating, all the way up until he finally
got the tape from the security guard.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
So we saw all of.
Speaker 6 (15:04):
The I want to say, upwards of one hundred miss
pauls that Sean Combs made to Cassie that day, which
then escalated to Christina Quorum calling Cassie and then Christina
Qorum corresponding with another assistant to try to get this
video all the way up until Eddie Garcia was corresponding
with Sean Colmbs, and then we saw the premiere the
Perfect Match premiere photo of Cassi Venturo, which happened the
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very next day when she had the bruised eye and
the busted lift, So they put all of this together
for us. However, Tenny Geragos did point out a couple
of things.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
That were wrong on the chart.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
She pointed out a date where Cassie Ventura wasn't actually
in the country. She was in South Africa, and they
had passy kind of matching.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Up to this one hotel.
Speaker 6 (15:49):
But overall it was a very important summary witness because
we saw all of the records that go directly with
the indictment.
Speaker 10 (15:59):
Special Agent Lisa Penland's summary chart regarding meetings Cassie Ventura
attended has seventy one separate entries, and Penland testified the
chart only includes entries for meetings that have associated video footage.
Cassie previously testified it was impossible to determine exactly how
many freak coughs she endured, but estimated hundreds. Penland is
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set to go over a similar chart regarding Colme's meetings
with Jane next.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Did he stakes exhibit triple X super disgusting?
Speaker 3 (16:29):
The jury is.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Watching you button naked or maybe he had a burke
on the freak cough Hotel nine King Night.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Most of us call it sex trafficking caught on video.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
So Lauren Colin the defense at the beginning, said their
case would last weeks a month, and now they just
drop a bomb in the courtroom, say.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Oh yeah, it's really only got to be three.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Or four days what do you anticipate the defense has
in store for the jury.
Speaker 6 (16:57):
Nancy, I feel like what we're gonna see is people
from his different entities, different companies who are going to
get on the stand and really try.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
To legitimize everything.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
I also feel like you may have a handful of
character witnesses as well. Perhaps they'll be an expert to
combat doctor don Hughes and her testimony.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
That's what I'm thinking so far.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
The problem with character witnesses is Lauren Colin, and You're right,
he needs a character redo. Once the defense brings on
good character, the state can then bring on bad character,
which typically is not allowed in a criminal case because
the claim by the defense is the defendant will be
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tried on their bad reputation, and therefore the state is
not allowed to bring that in on itself.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Think of a vampire, Lauren Conlin.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
You have to invite it across the threshold before it
sucks your blood and you die. Same thing with bad
character evidence. You can't just bring it on because you
know the defend has been convicted before. You have to
either use it as a similar transaction to prove your
case in chief, or wait, lie and wait for the
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defense to say one word about good character, and by
doing that they open the door and the state can
step over the threshold and bomb the defense with bad character.
I A convictions, So are they willing to risk that?
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But you did say you think that we have in
store witnesses to legitimize, legitimize what.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
His businesses, Colm's enterprise, bad Boy records, everything that we've
seen so far, I do feel like we're going to
see people that worked for him who had no idea
what was going on behind closed doors, what was going
on at night. And we actually got a taste of
this from the CFO that the government brought on.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
This was a man that went to her extremely.
Speaker 6 (19:01):
Polished, and they kind of used him to go through
some of the money that was transferred from Cassy's parent
to Bad Boy, and this CFO kind of said, yeah,
that's what it says, but I had.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
No idea what was going on.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
So I actually feel like there's going to be more
people like him, just not testifying about anything to farious,
just saying that yeah, everything was legitimate. This LLC, this person,
and this company. They had a huge share in this.
So mister Holmes didn't have all the control here. He
was actually just a fraction of having control over this company.
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I mean, listen, this is this is.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
What we wear.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Why don't you just hand over the irs returns for
the last ten years that be done with it. What
does that have to do with forced orgies and sex
trafficking business records?
Speaker 3 (19:50):
My rear ran, what are you talking about? Woman?
Speaker 6 (19:52):
I totally understand what you're saying, but this is this
is what I feel like is going to happen. Based
on the testimony of this one CFO, I felt like
that actually went well for the defense, and so they're
running from there saying, Okay, we need to get more
guys like this who will sit here and say Diddy
did not have one hundred percent control of all of
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these different entities. He only had a fraction of control.
So how how could he be responsible of paying all
this money illegally, you know, through this company?
Speaker 1 (20:24):
When the jury cares about who had control of all
the entities, I think they're concerned about who had control
of what's in his pants and what is in the
pants of the sex workers and what they were doing
against the will of the victims.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Okay, hold on Lauren Common, how long do you believe now,
remember they're lying, how long you're gonna have to throw
out anything they said? How long do you believe the
defense case is going to go? How many days?
Speaker 5 (21:05):
My best guess would be about a week and a half.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Oh, so you're giving them seven eight days of testimony?
I am only because of the person, but I guarantee
you it'll be less than that.
Speaker 6 (21:15):
I only say this because things seem to come up
every day and then we get behind because these things
come up again, jurror issues issues with evidence, the defense
wanting a mistrial. I mean, things come up and we
get behind, and we end up losing hours in the
courtroom at times. So that's why I'm giving them a
little bit of a grace period here.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Okay, you know what, You're right, Lauren Comlin, You're absolutely right. Okay,
So you're saying seven to eight days due to delays
in the courtroom, not because they're putting up eight days
worth of testimony and evidence. Next big question will comes
override his lawyers because you know, he really does know
everything in his mind and take the stand?
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Will come take the stand?
Speaker 6 (22:01):
Lauren Comlin, No way, Nancy, And I say this because
specifically about the kid Putty incident, the alleged arson and
the alleged trespassing. I feel like generally and intellectually we
all know that he was responsible. However, on paper and
legally they can't exactly prove it, so there is some
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doubt there. I feel like if he was to get
up up on the stand, they could directly ask him
about this and he can't perjure himself.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
And that was a single best move that my old
co inch or god rest is soul Johnny Cochrane ever made,
was somehow beating down OJ Simpson. So he didn't take
the stand, but oh it was quite the production. When
the defense rested, Simpson was like, huh, I want to
take the stand, but they're not letting me.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Those a holes aren't letting me.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
So I'm sure cons will put on a big show
in the courtroom and act like I really want to
do I do, but she won't let me. As opposed
to idiot Alex Murdogg, his lawyers told him not to
take the stand and he took it and got convicted.
So I am willing to bet that Brian Steel and
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Tanna Gerrigos, both of them great lawyers, will sit on
Combs and keep him physically from taking the stand.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
He did a voodoo ritual.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
And he's probably doing blood ritual sacrifices on the rats
and brooches in his jail cell.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
You started this, Destales, not me did.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
He pulled the bird from the cage and threw it
into the air.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
It was dead.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
The poor bird sacrificed its life in exchange for not guilty.
It's going to take more than voodoo rituals to pull
this one out of his.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
You know where.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
It has literally been weeks in the Monahan Federal Courthouse
for the state to put up its case. What does
the defense hold? Well, for one thing, what about the witnesses?
The state didn't specifically Sean Combe's cheap of step. I
guess you stole that phrase from the White House. I'm
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talking about Christina Korum.
Speaker 11 (24:12):
Listen, Sean Diddy, Combs's chief of staph Christina Korum, has
been accused of numerous atrocities, from forcing employees to carry
drugs or recruit women for freak offs to standing witness
to a gang rape after trying to place an iud
in the victim. Quorum, whom Combs has referred to as
his sole sister and right hand worked for the mogul
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for more than a decade after previous roles at Paramount
Pictures in Burberry. The two were previously close, with Comb's
posting a long birthday message for Quorum on Instagram.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Wow, Okay, that was a bombshell. Now let me just stay.
Christina Korum denies everything, But isn't it true? Sidney Sumner?
The state made a comment in open court where they
referred to Christada Korum as an unnamed co defendant.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Didn't that happen? Is that how they referred.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
To her an unnamed co conspirator? Nancy? And that was
the comment that led everyone to believe that we would
see Korum testifying for the government, But it seems like
she won't take the stand to prove their case. Now
most interesting to me, Nancy. In Special Agent Penland's testimony,
going over all of these text messages records, it is
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finally Ben Pruven that Christina Korum knew that escorts were
being invited to these hotel Knights. We've had previous assistants
testify that Koram just told them the hotel Knights were
Cone's private time with women. But we now know that
she was fully aware that there were escorts going to
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those rooms, and Cone's assistants and bodyguards were providing cash
for him to pay for those escorts.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
So those are the texts that Homeland Security Special Agent
Penland rounded up and corralled and presented to the jury
right near the end of the state's case. And that's
what I'm talking about. For instance, when you put a
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case to the grand jury, right, hearsay is allowed in
the grand jury, and the most effective way to do
that and direct is to put on your lead investigator.
Since hearsay is allowed, the lead investigator can testify to
what this one said, what that one said, all of
the search warrants, all of the wire types, all the evidence,
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and one fell swoop of a witness. Okay, that's what
Penland did. Penland brought it all together with texts, emails,
documents that Sidney Summer's talking about to show to the
jury what was really happening. That may be one of
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the reasons, out to Philip Dubay, that they didn't bring.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
On Korum, Christina Korum, the chief of staff, the soul sister,
because why allow her on.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
The stand when the defense would then have her on
cross and that would be basically seawan Comb's testifying, and
every once in a while she'd go, yes, that's right,
that's right, that's right to agnifilo or steal or tenny garages.
So why risk that cross examination where korm can explain
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everything away as best as she can, When you can
get the same damning evidence in through her texts and emails,
they can't be cross examined.
Speaker 7 (27:53):
It it was brilliantly charged. When you look at the indictment,
you have all these people who are named as unindicted
co conspirators. So what that lands the prosecution without running
a foul of that Crawford hearsay rule. The US Supreme
Court case is that statements made by co conspirators can
come into evidence without violating due process and the federal
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rules against hearsay. So yes, they can come in for
their truth. Frankly, not even as an exception. And if
the defense feels that clarification for further explanation is needed,
they can put her.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
On Sidney Center.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
The eye popping number, the painful number, forty six thousand,
seven hundred eighty six, forty six thousand, seven hundred eighty
six dollars for.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
What damage to the Penthouse suite at the air Continental
Hotels on Times Square. That number is ridiculous, Nancy. That's
a down payment for a whole for some people, and
fifty k on damages to a penthouse for one stay.
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And that's back in twenty twelve, So extremely concerning. What
could he have possibly done to this room? We know
baby oil was used, ube handle wax was usually everywhere,
but I just can't even stab them. How you possibly
create that much damage in a hotel room?
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Doctor Beveny Marshall, help me
quickly a fifty thousand dollars hotel damage bill to the
Penthouse suite in New York City. We heard within the
last seventy two hours that there was so much baby oil.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
There were actually two slip and falls and one.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Day with the baby oil that when they saw combs
coming in they check in ladies, quick, quick, quick.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
There's add on one thousand dollars up front for the
room damage.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
They would have to put out air freshener's glade.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Is not going to fix that, okay, uh uh.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
You can put out candles all over, and they did
put candles all over that penthouse, sweet, and it is
not going to get rid of the stink that's going
to go down during those free costs. So they would
see Combs is on too razia like quick, quick, quick,
add one thousand dollars up front, one thousand dollars. This
is nearly forty seven thousand dollars. That's not even the
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rental for the room. That's the damages after free.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Calls and after.
Speaker 8 (30:49):
It'd be interesting to see what their budget the hotel's
budget is for decorating per room. So let's say it's
fifty thousand dollars for the penthouse. They are re they're
really redoing, reconstructing, and redecorating that room. I would imagine
they're pulling up the carpet, they're repainting, they're buying new furniture.
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You can't fix something like this, Nancy. And also it
makes me think about not just the lube, but the
instruments of violence that might have been in that room.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Whips, maybe knives maybe don't make me laugh now, some
things never go away.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
They had to pay five hundred dollars for the curtains alone.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
What was done to one curtain? Five?
Speaker 8 (31:41):
Maybe someone was swinging from it. What about the fine art,
and what about and then what.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
About the kitchens? And go away?
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Or do you need one of these ultrasonic germ cleaners?
And then people will come into that Penthouse the next
day or whenever it got cleaned again and just sit
down on those questions having no idea. They were sitting
on top of freakoff terms.
Speaker 8 (32:06):
Well, now, Nancy is going to be like selling a
house where somebody died. You just can't do it. You know,
if people know that somebody's been sick and died in
a house, they don't want to purchase it. Now everybody
knows about p Diddy's hotel nights and freakofs and where
they happened. Do you think those discerning clients are going
to want to book a room at the Penthouse at
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this hotel at the Innerconto Continental in New York City?
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Probably not Mary freak Off Christmas. They're viewing battery. It's
like eating a dirt sandwich.
Speaker 8 (32:36):
What is being done to these women.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Tours coming to mind?
Speaker 8 (32:39):
Freaky pers Are they being sodomized? Are they being chained
in compromising positions?
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Are they so out of it.
Speaker 8 (32:46):
They don't know what's happening them?
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Are they being whipped?
Speaker 1 (32:49):
I just want to wash my mouth out with the strine,
with lysol, with rubbing alcohol. To doctor Bethany Marshall joining us, renow,
it's like the analysts out of.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
The LA jurisdiction.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Speaking of Christina Korum okay, I guarantee I know one
person that would hold her just as liable although she
declares her innocence as Seawn Combs. That's going to be
Lenn Shaw, and I want Lynn Shaw to hear this.
Speaker 12 (33:21):
Mat will will discuss sexual topics with the victim and
undressed in front of the victim.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Will be pressent pro cess ask involving the minor.
Speaker 12 (33:31):
Latives in Evertha Maxwell's the presence as a destilled woman
helpful the videos at ease. As Maxwell and Editing intended,
this moning process left the minor beata's susceptible to sexual abuse.
Speaker 10 (33:51):
That is just included sexualized.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Messages during the minor dati, whether fully or partially anew
the social.
Speaker 12 (34:01):
Wide nostalgists developed into sexual encounters for Mascal and some
distances were as.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
In a participation.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
That's Audrey Strauss, that is, the US attorney for the
Southern District of New York. And she is talking about
Elaine Maxwell, who was the madam, the pimp for a
now deceased Jeffrey Epstein. Now the comparison between Christina Korum
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and Sean Combs has been made, comparing too Jelaine Maxwell
to Epstein.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
And the girls.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
The victims that Audrey Strauss was describing were girls literally
school girls.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
What effect did that have on the victims?
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Well, three of them have committed suicide, most recently Virginia Jeffery.
Three after living through Julane Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein and
the sex abuse as young girls, they committed suicide. Three
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three people committed suicide, and then Epstein reportedly killed himself. Now,
Christina Korm again, there you go. What are they smiling about?
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Nothing good? That's just like the cripkeeper smiling at you. Yeah,
that can't mean anything good. You know, woman, button up
your shirt. She's behind bars right now.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Christina Korm did not take the stand, and you gotta
wonder why so. Lynn Shaw joining me, executive director and
founder of Lynn's Warriors, committed to ending sex abuse and
sex trafficking of women and girls. You know, even the
devil has an assistant that would be bills. Abub Corum
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has not been indicted, and she declares her innocence.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
What do you make of it?
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Because based on what we heard right at the tail
and of the States case, she knew about all those
sex workers.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
She knew exactly what was going on.
Speaker 9 (36:20):
What do I make of it? We don't have enough
time for me to tell you what we make of it.
First of all, we find with our work at the Warriors,
there is always a woman involved as the right hand,
maybe sometimes not visible, she is always there. She's always
acting as that facilitator, as that big sister, especially with
these very vulnerable girls and women, or that mother figure
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that they never had. And they know everything, And frankly,
we never had any closure in my opinion, with Jeffrey
Epstein and Gallaine Maxwell. They tell us she's in prison.
Who really knows where she is because I haven't seen
any videos of her walking around the prison, you know, backyard,
or playing basketball or any of that stuff.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
One never knows.
Speaker 9 (37:00):
We also know at the Warriors, and we have worked
with a lot of Epstein victims, they are in a
severe mental state. A lot of them now have reached
out to me hearing about this dirty Ditty case. They
are re traumatized, revictimized. They feel like is them, even
though they may have had nothing to do with Diddy.
So what I say about Christina Korum and I'm sitting
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here listening to all of this, you know what, they
can't possibly let her get on the stand because she
will just She's already proven to us she knew about
all of this, so she'll have to answer questions. And
I'm no lawyer, but they can't let her anywhere near that.
But you know what, in some ways shape or form
this woman. I don't know how she puts her head
on the pillow at night. She put out a paragraph
about a month or so ago. She knew nothing. You
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know what that is, BS, She knew nothing. We have
all these text messages. Women went to her for help.
She did not do anything to help them. That's the
Dirty Diddy way, the King Knights and all that. So
we have to do something with her afterwards.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
I don't know what can be done.
Speaker 9 (37:56):
Again, I'm not a lawyer. She knows everything, she knew everything,
and she did nothing. Shame on her not to help
these women.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Earlier.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Lauren Collin, who's joining us right now from the courthouse
mentioned the possibility of character witnesses being brought in to
help Sean Comes. Well, our friend Jimmy Kimmel has something
to say about that.
Speaker 13 (38:18):
Kanye showed up to support his friend, did he, At
which point the prosecution said, we rest our.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Case back from our friends at Jimmy Kimmel.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Okay, bringing on character witnesses will absolutely missfire. While Christina
Korum didn't show up for court, Kanye did. I'm sure
the defense dodged a bullet and they knew it.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
When Kanye was forced to go in.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
The overflow room, Philip Debay, can you imagine Kanye with
that nine hundred thousand dollars mouthful of titanium teeth, drooling
and dragging along Beyoncusten sorry, his naked wife with him
into the court room and plopping down right behind Sean
Comes with character witnesses like that, Yeah, case close debate.
Speaker 7 (39:09):
Well, he's not testifying. He just went there to lend
some support. And I got to tell you, out of
all the trials I've done, Nancy, it is really rare
for people to come to court and really stand in support.
They don't even want to be associated with the charges.
With the defendants who are on trial, and they just
kind of stay remote from all the proceeding. So I
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actually give him a lot of credit for making an
appearance and at least sort of signaling to Diddy that
he's standing by his side. And hopefully they can be
friends if and when he has ever acquitted or maybe.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Even you even know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
At the jail.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
Friends, what are they going to do? Braide each other's hair.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
And skip down the skip down the lane holding hands.
Speaker 5 (39:53):
Friends.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
Okay, maybe they could be friends.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Okay, I got another thing throw at you, another curve ball,
and this is going at about a ninety eight mph baller.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Here we go.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
While we did see Korum and thankfully for the defense,
Kanye didn't PLoP down in the actual courtroom in front
of the jurors behind Combs. There have been fixtures in
the courtroom.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Combs has paraded his children.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
In the courtroom during State's exhibit Triple X through all
the discussion of male sex workers for sex beatings, you
name it, and again our legal expert Jimmy Kimmel is
weighing in.
Speaker 13 (40:43):
His mother, sister, and three sons were in the court
room listening to his ex talk about these orgies not
the ideal take your family to workday.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
That and before was from our friends at Jimmy Kimmel
on ABC. I think he's right what happened, Sidney Sumner.
His children were in the courtroom on and off throughout
some of the worst state's evidence.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
That's exactly right. Colm's daughters have been in the courtroom
much less frequently than his sons, but at least two
of his sons, his mother and his sister, have been
in the courtroom for.
Speaker 14 (41:21):
All of the heenus evidence, including when Jane testified about
the sick NBA role place fantasy that Combs put her
through where he was Magic Johnson. So they have been
in for a lot, and I'm frankly surprised that they
haven't excused themselves more often.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
We are waiting as justice unfolds. And now we remember
an American hero, Officer Crystal rivera Chicago PD just forty six,
gunned down in the line of duty, survived by daughter
BELLA American hero Crystal GROVERA Nancy Grace signing off good
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bye friend.
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