July 1, 2025 • 42 mins
Jury reaches a verdict on four of the five counts against the rapper on Tuesday around 4:18pm ET.
Jury deliberations in the federal sex trafficking and racketeering trial against disgraced rap mogul Sean 'Diddy" Combs hits another roadblock, as jurors pass more notes to the judge on day two of deliberations. Additional questions today keep both the prosecution, and the defense huddled as spectators are caught in a nail biter. What does jury feuding and passing notes to the Judge mean for Diddy and for the alleged victims?
Joining Nancy Grace today,
Eric Faddis- Trial Lawyer and TV Legal Analyst, Founding Partner of Varner Faddis Elite Legal, former felony prosecutor and current criminal defense and civil litigation attorney
Dr. Bethany Marshall- Psychoanalyst, Author: "Deal Breaker: When to work on a relationship and when to walk away” Also featured in hit show: "Paris in Love" on Peacock www.drbethanymarshall.com , Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, Twitter: @DrBethanyLive
Robert Crispin- Private Investigator “Crispin Special Investigations”, Former Federal Task Force Officer for the United States Department of Justice, DEA and Miami Field Division. Former Homicide and Crimes against children investigator. CrispinInvestigations.com, Facebook: Crispin Special Investigations Inc:
Lynn Shaw - Founder and Executive Director of Lynn's Warriors - an organization committed to ending human trafficking and sexual exploitation, Host of Lynn's Warriors on YouTube, website: lynnswarrior.org, X: @lynns_warriors, YouTube: @LynnsWarriors
Rob Shuter - Host: Naughty But Nice Podcast, can be found at robshuter.substack.com, Former publicist of Sean Combs, IG: @naughtygossip
Tisa Tells- Pop Culture Investigator & Commentator and Host of 'Tisa Tells' on Youtube, Instagram & TikTok: @TisaTellss, Facebook: Tisa.Tells.3
Sydney Sumner - CRIME STORIES Investigative Reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Diddy loving it. Disorder in the court. Why a jury feud?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. I want to
thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Agniffilo used one old tired phrase after the next.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
She wanted it, she got paid. It was just homemade porn. Really,
as if that's the defense.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
The jury and the galley was looking like, sir, what
are you talking about?
Speaker 4 (00:34):
That was a very cringe moment.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Oh okay, that was way cringing straight out to Tisa
Tale standing by at the courthouse Teas Tale star off
Tisa Tales on YouTube TSA.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
What happened today in court?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Diddy's team got humiliated by Judge Rowland. He has had
e enough. Mark Agnifilio stood up and did his best Gianna,
we really honestly think, and Judge Aaron cut him and said,
I don't care what you think. As you know, the
jury's been passing notes back and forth. Now a lot
of people say that the jury is signaling that they
(01:08):
are pointing to the heart of the case, the part
the prosecution wanted to wanted them to pay attention to.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
But that's not important.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
What's important is yesterday the judge gave instructions. Listen, the
jury acts the specific instruction if I give if you
give drugs to a friend, if a friend asks for
drugs and you give drugs to a friend, is that
the same as distribution?
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Short answer, of course it is.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
However, the judge gave both sides a specific charge. He
told them, listen, I'm gonna have to answer this question.
Tell me what you think this should say. Mark Agnefiel
had almost twenty four hours and came back into the
courtroom and said, listen, we think we shouldn't say anything.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
We're think that you should just give them the whole statute.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
He Judge Aaron literally cut them off and said, I
don't care what you think. It was a tense back
and forth. Can you follow my directions? Well, I think
can you follow my directions?
Speaker 5 (02:07):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Or no?
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Well, Yanna, we kind of think I don't care what
you think. You Can you follow them or are you
unwilling to yes or no? Mister Agnifilio. Mister Agnifilio finally said,
I mean yes, I can follow whatever you want to say.
He tried to move on, but we really think he
cut them off again. I don't care what you think.
He said, I'm not leaving these jurors at sea. The
(02:31):
prosecution stood up and said he's trying to mislead the jury,
and Judge Aaron then repeated it do what you want
and what you want me to say and what you
want to propose is akin to misleading the jury and
we are not.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Going to do this.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Did He's team seemed crushed, they were furied, they were.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Doing all the stuff.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Judge Aaron would not let them even get air to breathe.
He has had enough and when you think about it,
it is ridiculous what they were actually expecting them to do,
just to give them no guidance for the sake of
what so diddler touchy Roll can walk free.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
And just so you know it was bad.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Afterwards, Janie Colms literally because we went to break. After that,
Janice Colms literally stopped Westmoreland and Brian still in the
right when they were walking out of court to have
a talk with them.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
She was still seated.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
You couldn't see her face, but her body language was
very urgent, and Westmoreland and Brian Steell spent about seven
to eight minutes trying to soothe Jani's colm And then
after that. An hour or two later, Didy's sons and
even his baby's mom, Dana Tran started trickling in.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
So again, whatever's going on, it looks.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Like the delusion land that Ditty and his family has
been living in it cannot pulled up against what's going
on with these juror notes being passed back and forth
on top of.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
The other bombshells dropping.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
It looks like Diddy's team has been getting more losses
during Dury deliberation than they ever then when they got
during the trial, Shapiro looked furious.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
It's expected she's going to be the appellate lawyer.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
However, they have been saying back and forth, we want
to preserve our objection, preserves our injection.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Now what is that?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
I'll leave that to the lawyers to decide. But one
thing is certain is Judge Aaron is sending the message
he does not care. Every time now they try to preserve,
he literally gives them a slow blink for three seconds
and says, yeah, okay, let's move on. Another interesting thing
that happened in court was the Cassie Factor again.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Marine called me this set to get job on.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
His closing, maybe even too good because Diddy's teams suffered
a second bombshell in court when two notes were actually
taken were rushed out from the jury room. Those notes
had to do with Cassie. They wanted to hear Cassie's
testimony again. They wanted to hear what happened in Cans
(05:00):
Kansas is one of the things where Ring Cally pointed
to for the sex trafficking. And last, but not least,
they wanted to hear what happened with Daniel Phillip. Who's
Daniel Phillip. Well, if you believe or Ring called me
in her closing.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
She is.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
He is the only ex escort that on the docket.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
She actually showed this testimony, admitted that he had sex
with Ditty and Cassie for money. When those notes came out,
Diddy was sitting there when I say it looked like
he wanted to just He didn't know whether to stand up,
sit down, whether to.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Be happy or just sad.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
At first, he thought it was going to be hopeful
that it's like when they read it, he realized, wait,
that's this isn't helping me at all.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
He looked to his team. His team looked gravely concerned.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
They activated, They were on their laptops, on their mobiles,
flipping through everything they can.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
They asked for more information.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
They tried to argue their point in front of the
judge as much as they can. But it looks like
despite Mark Agnofilial's ugh highly massages in this badly timed
comedy show of a closing, it looks like the prostitution
pointed to where the bodies were buried and the jury
has their shovels out ready to dig. This is bad
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for Diddy and he is looking stressed. And as the
family keeps coming in during the day and we expect
probably they'll be here tomorrow. If the jury doesn't come
back with a verdict tomorrow, it looks like something is
going to come down soon.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Straight out to Sydney Suner Crime Stories investigative reporter. So
far and counting at least five jury questions, shall we
start at the beginning or should we take them in
reverse chronological order? Look, this is what I know. I
know when your jury isn't getting along, when they've only
(06:55):
been back there for about an hour and a half,
you got a p I mean a problem. I'm talking mistrial,
hung jury split verdict that kind of problem.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Let's go in reverse chronological.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Sidney, what was one of the most recent questions from
the jury that came in early this morning about ten
twenty seven. They hadn't been back there forty five minutes.
Speaker 7 (07:17):
Tell me what happened, well, Nancy, Apparently they requested transcripts
from two of the witnesses testimony. We don't know what
charges they're considering when they're asking for these transcripts, or
who they are asking to review, but that's what's coming
out of the courtroom right now.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Okay, Eric Fattus joining me veteran trial lawyer, joining us
out of the Denver jurisdiction. Founding partner Varner Fattus, elite
legal for my purposes, former felony prosecutor.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Fattus.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
You can absolutely tell which direction the jury is headed
in by jury questions. The first question came out about
actually it was more of a complaint the jury saying
that one of the jurors could not follow the judge's instructions. Look,
it's not like the judge went home and over dinner
(08:13):
just came up with some instructions. This is the law,
the black and white letter of the law. The jury
must use to decide the case. For instance, the definition
of sex trafficking, the definition of drugs with intent to distribute,
the definition of kidnapping. They are the legal definitions. What
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does that mean? He can't follow the law? What the hey?
And what paus fatus hey? Sydney Sumner? This jurar that
can't follow the law. Doesn't he have like a bunch
of graduate degrees.
Speaker 7 (08:48):
Yes, he is a PhD in molecular biology. Now it's
unclear exactly what he does for work. He said that
he was a scientist, but he also at one point
said he was a veterinarian. But yes, this is a
very intelligent person, at least in booksmart's very academic.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Okay, Eric fattis every defense attorney's dream come true.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
You've got a guy. Let me just go ahead and put.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
It out there, a nerd. Look, I'm really proud. I
got a lot of brainiacs in my family. I'm not
claiming to be one, but a lot of brainiacts, okay,
including my two children. So I'm all about the brainiacs.
But when you have somebody that's all book learning, no
(09:36):
street smarts at all, he's like, freak ofugh, what what
I didn't study that in molecular biology class when I
was getting my PhD. All his education aside, and I'm
already telling the children they've got to get a PhD someday.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
I'm all for it.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
But Eric, when you have a gr R within two
hours says I can't follow, I'm not gonna do that.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
What.
Speaker 8 (10:00):
Yeah, a curious development here, And you know, in trying
to decipher what this could mean, one thing it Forstured
means is.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
That they're a face there.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
You know, you and the devil danced around the fire
pit last night.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
When you heard this. They'll just say, oh, that's curious.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
They asked, you're thrilled because that means a problem in
the jury, a jury feud, and you know it get real, man.
Speaker 8 (10:25):
Well the defense is thrilled Diddy's defense, Yes, certainly, because
what it shows is there's some dissension in the ranks.
These folks are not agreeing. And this is from the outset.
This is at the very beginning. Look, as you know, Nancy,
during jury selection and once these jurors were selected, they
took an oath that said they will follow the law.
(10:47):
That is really their central role here. Now we're learning,
you know, hours into the deliberation, that there's a problem
with that. This prosecution needs to get twelve jurors to
agree to be unanimous on conviction, and this trouble so
early on is certainly concerning for the prosecution.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
What could it be?
Speaker 8 (11:08):
Could it be that this juror is considering evidence outside
the trial, considering his personal feelings, sympathy, bias, prejudice, those
kind of things, considering stuff he heard in the media
that itself could be grounds for a mistrial, could be
grounds for air, could be grounds for reversing any conviction
that has had.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Okay, fatus, did I ever tell you that I somehow,
I don't know how I did it got a your r,
a lady. I can remember what she looked like, A lady,
your r in a murder case, that decided she could
not pass judgment on other people.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
She decided this a midstream.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
I forgot she had some religion where you're not supposed
to pass judgment on other people.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Okay, And I don't.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Mean just what Chris said, don't judge other people. You
know you don't have a leg to stand on. Let
he without sining, throw the first stone.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
That whole thing.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
It was a tenant in her religion, you cannot pass judgment. Okay,
you know what, Why are you telling me in the
middle of the trial.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Why am I learning this?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
And then I didn't I didn't make it any better
because of my closing statement. I accidentally spit on her. Okay,
was that the jury rail I was arguing passionately and
it's okay. That didn't help anything. Finally, the juror had
to be brought out and reminded of.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
What you just said. That she took an oath. Uh well,
right there.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
That was a problem too, because the court reporter pointed
out to me that she refused to raise her hand
and take the jury oath, which I did not see. Okay,
that should have been a tip off right there. I
should have said, lady Gerard, you're not taking the oath,
You're off and take an alternate right then, But I
didn't see it.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
That said. Somehow I manage to get a guilty verdict
on that. But you have to be really careful.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
You're right, fattest they take an oath to follow the law,
they've already promised to follow the law. Now, this guy,
the molecular biologist PhD.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Says he can't follow the law. He needs to be
thrown off right now.
Speaker 8 (13:12):
You know these folks are just people from the community, right,
They're not professional jurors. For most of them, this is
their first rodeo. And talk about a tumultuous one. My
husbands so to be back there and maybe having some
kind of buyer's remorse in terms of getting on this
jury second guessing, Hey, am I really the right person
(13:33):
for this? And now we are in the think of it.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
This is a lady second guessing. Am I the right
person for this? You know what, You may be right,
you may be wrong, but you're in it now, man,
So get on with it. Joining me an all star panel.
But I want to go now to Lynn Shaw, the
founder and director Lynn's Warriors, and she is the host
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of Lynn's Warriors on YouTube. Her organization committed to ending
sex trafficking and abuse of women and girls. Lynn Shaw
braced yourself. I'm going to tell you what happened in
court early this morning. Shawn Combs came out. He was
allowed to speak to his mother. Many defendants, violent felony
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defendants are not allowed to get close to other people,
right because they could be slipped. I don't know, a
nail file and anything that they could use to escape.
They could be handed a joint, they could be handed appeal.
I don't know what they could be handed. Any number
of things could be slipped to them, or they could
have an outburst and attack somebody. But Shawn Combs is
getting preferential treatment. But I want to tell you that
(14:42):
he thought to tell his mother he loves her outfit.
She is war in court today, a green and cream
zebra print outfit.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Look, I'm not Anna Winter. I don't care what anybody's wearing.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
But what concerns me is after some of these insights
were coming out, he says to his mother, Relax, it's
going to be all right.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
What have they already told him?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
The jury is having a feud and you're going to
have a hung jury.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
That's my fear. What message will that send?
Speaker 9 (15:17):
Yeah, I am not feeling good about this at all, Nancy,
that he is allowed to act like that, because I've
been in court and our women and girls that I've
been with, they're not allowed to talk to anybody, touch anybody,
have any kind of contact like that. So right then
and there and telling his mother and she's in court
today also relax, listen. I took an oath to stand
with survivors and power victims no matter what.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
This whole trial goes.
Speaker 9 (15:42):
To what I've been saying all along now for going
on eight weeks. The public they don't understand, I bet anything,
they do not understand these charges of prostitution across state
lines because you know what, society has failed in twenty
twenty five to describe all of this to make the
public understand. So so what I take the oath and
I'm going to go to my death standing up educating
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the entire world about what sex trafficking really is, what trauma,
bonding trauma really is, because everybody better start waking up
and understand, because the message to society is going to
be very bad if this guy walks out and ends
up on one hundred and thirty fifth Street having the
barbecue that they have planned for him on the fourth
of July to.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Doctor Bethany Marshall Joining Us renouncesycho Analyst joining us out
of the LA jurisdiction.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
She's the author of deal Breaker.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
You can see her on Peacock and you can find
her online at Dr Bethanymarshall dot com. Bethany, here's the deal.
Everything that Lanshaw just said.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Agree.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
However, this is not a caveat to what she said.
I am transposing what she said onto these proceedings. Many
people will argue, well, the state didn't explain it well enough,
or the state made it too complicated. Think back to
top Mom, Kasey Anthony, if you dare, many people argue
the state made it too complicated. You know what the
(17:02):
science behind the air in the trunk of Topman's car
where her daughter decomposed.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
The air had particles of D coop in it.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Like let's just say you walk into a Kentucky Fried
chicken and you smell chicken. Why because minute particles naked
to the invisible to the naked eye are in the air,
and that's what you're smelling. Okay, let you smell D
coop of a decomposing body, which was little KILLI.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
In the trunk of that car.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Yes, it's complicated if you go into the scientific minutia
of it. But the way the state argued this, when
you look at that video, I mean, it's.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Really not that hard to understand.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
It sounds like to me, somebody went in there with
a preconceived notion with an extra grind and there being
a contrarian or Nancy.
Speaker 10 (17:57):
My worst fear is that there's a type of group
think in this group. In other words, that they may
be looking past the science, maybe looking past the prosecution,
just like the jurors and the Casey Anthony case, so
that they are not really paying attention to this video,
or they've become a nerd to it. They've seen it
so many times it really doesn't even hold any weight
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for them anymore. And usually groups do fall into a
type of group think where they become cohesive. They all
want to think the same things. And my worst fear
is that this scientist is what we call out person.
He is the only person standing up. Again, this is
just a fear, not an active theory, but he's the
one saying, hey, let's look at the hard science, let's
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look at what the prosecutor said, and that the other
groups think jurors have just seen it so many times,
they're over it, they don't care anymore. And like Lynn
Shaw said, people don't really understand sex trafficking. I mean
Agnifilo's statement that you know, if a guy wants anal sex,
the girl might just give it to him just to
please her boyfriend. Really, I think, you know, unfortunately may
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have fed into this hysterical notion that women were just
in it for the money. And I just hope that's
not what's happening in this in this jury room, in the.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Deliberations, Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Welcome back. We are
live at the Monahan Federal Courthouse and there is trouble.
I can smell it a mile away, and Diddy is
(19:37):
loving it. Apparently a jury food is threatening a verdict.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Straight out to Lauren Colins. Standing by Lauren, what happened?
Speaker 5 (19:49):
It is day two of jury deliberations and it seems
like the jury is going down the verdict sheep in order.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
We first heard a.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
Question from them on day one, as it pertains to
the drug Distribution Predicate Act under racketeering.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
The judge addressed how.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
He would like to handle this, and he came in
on day two and said that he would like to
address this by specifically answering their question, referring them back
to a portion of the original jury charges. The defense
didn't want to do this.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
They wanted to.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
Address this question with addressing the charge as a whole,
but the judge thought that that would be misleading, So
that happened on day two, right at the beginning of
the day. And then about an hour later, around ten
to fifteen am, the jury came back with a second
note as it pertains to Cassie Ventura's testimony, they wanted
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elements of her testimony pertaining two events regarding the Intercontinental
Hotel events following the Cannes Film Festival, and this incident
was basically Cassie had testified that she was kicked off
Diddy's boat because he accused her of stealing drugs, and
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she was wearing a beaded dress at the film festival
at a movie premiere, and he allegedly dug his hands
into her dress and into her arm, and then they
flew back to New York and she was made to
participate in a freak off. They wanted these events or
the testimony of these events, and then they wanted interactions
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between Cassie and Daniel Phillip, all of those and then
an incident involving Cassie Ventura.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
At the Essex Hotel.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
Now there seemed to be a lot of back and
forth and disagreement on what the court should include when
sending back the Intercontinental Hotel incident to the jury.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
So the defense.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
Actually wanted the portion of the testimony that talked about
Cassie getting a ten million dollars settlement from the Intercontinental
Hotel included, but they later withdrew this as the judge
and the back and forth kind of got a little
bit more intense, a little bit more complicated. I think
they sort of saw this as an overach and they said, Okay,
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we withdraw because at one point, when the defense and
the government couldn't seem to agree on what to send
back to the jury, the judge said, well, why don't
we just send back Ms. Ventur's entire testimony, and the
defense was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, please, this
is over eight hundred pages. The jury asked for specifics.
We don't want to overwhelm them, you know, so they
(22:35):
kind of, yeah, they withdrew that, and then essentially what
was decided on was that they could include about two
days prior testimony, two days prior to the Intercontinental Hotel incident,
kind of talking about setting this up, and the defense
wanted this in because Cassie allegedly texted I want to
fo so bad and they wanted to speak to possible
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coercion there, so they wanted that included. And then the
government wanted text messages included about one to two days
after to speak to Cassie's mindset, etc. So both of
those were let in, as well as the defense wanted
Cassie's testimony or Cassie's Instagram post let in which talked
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about Cassie saying domestic violence is the issue, and the.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Judge allowed it.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
So the court did instruct the parties to get all
of these transcripts to the jury by one pm, and
they did so, and the jury will continue deliberating. If
I had to take a wild guess, at this rate,
it seems like the jury is asking good questions, they are.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Going in order, and they are making progress.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
I would say by the third day of deliberations.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
By the end of the third day, we'll have a verdict.
Joining me now. Special guest Rob Shooter, host of not Ay.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
But Nice podcast and you can find him at robshooter
dot substack dot com and former publicist for Sean Comes.
When I say, did he's loving it, don't you know?
He just told his mom in court Relax, don't worry
(24:22):
it's gonna be okay, It's all gonna be all right.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
What does he know that I don't know?
Speaker 4 (24:27):
He did.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
He is loving this year, absolutely right, Nancy, about that.
He's loving all the attention. He's loving that everybody is
talking about him. And I've been saying this now for
a couple of weeks. The mood within the camp, within
Team didd he is that this has worked. His strategy,
which was his strategy, not his lawyers, it has worked.
(24:48):
If he pulls this off, he will feel invincible. And
at the moment, he's feeling pretty damn good. Nancy.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
What do you make of his casual air in the
courtroom speaking with his mother. It's not like he has
put his family first in life.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
We know that. So what does this mean?
Speaker 2 (25:09):
I'm trying to decipher what I'm seeing, what I know
to be happening.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
What does it mean he's all chill and no mistay,
saying hey, hey, hey, hey, it's going to be all right.
You'll see. What the hey? Does he know that? We
don't know? Does he know that.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
One of the girrars is on his side? Have they
made some kind of eye contact or some other kind
of contact. I don't know about you stated that did.
He orchestrates everything, so if this happens, if he pulls
this off, it will be his own orchestration.
Speaker 6 (25:46):
Absolutely, if he pulls this off, he will feel like
he is the king of the world. And at the moment, Nanci,
We've got to be honest. Your viewers are not going
to want to hear this. But things are not going
smoothly as the prosecution thought they would. He all along
knew the power of celebrity. He sat there, he listened,
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He showed them he could be Diddy when he wanted
to show off. He pretended to be humble when he
felt like he needed to be humble. He feels as
if the plan is really working now. Let me do
point out though, as somebody who knows Diddy, he's always
been very confident. Some people would say over confident. I've
been at TV shows, I've been at a press events
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with Diddy where everybody is pulling their hair out, worried
about the type of questions or exposure or coverage he's.
Speaker 8 (26:38):
Going to get.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
He's always chilled. I was backstaged with him at his
big first fashion show, Sean John, which was millions and
millions of dollars riding on this product, riding on this show. Everybody,
the investors, the publicists, the marketing team, the stylists. We
were all running around pulling out of a hair and
he was really chilled. He sat and he got chilled.
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He told me once, the more noise, the louder it gets,
the quieter he gets. And so I think that's what
he's doing now, is keeping it inside. He's thinking this through.
He's calming down his family, his friends, which is a
role that he likes to do. He likes to be
the boss. And so at the moment, Nancy, he's feeling
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pretty good. And as somebody who knows him, Nancy, his instincts,
unfortunately are often right.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
I still think did he is bringing the hot sheel?
Speaker 6 (27:32):
He certainly likes to win and have things his own way.
I know he's looking at that jewelry like an audience.
He's been on stage and he knows what it's like
to lose an audience. Now he's sitting in this courtroom,
and he can tell he's a professional at this, Nancy,
he can tell that this just is not working.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Did he loving it?
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Disorder in the court there apparently is Ajror feud, which
very often leads to a mistrial a hung jury. Let
it not be so in this case, sex attack victims
all over the world watching this trial. Adjoining me now
is doctor Dwayne Hendrix, former Associate Warden, MDC in Brooklyn,
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former Senior Warden with the US Department of Justice, the
author of Who Are You See It?
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Say It Sees It?
Speaker 2 (28:23):
And president of a New Daylight Foundation, Doctor Dwayne Hendrix,
Doctor Hendrix, thank you for being with us. Question, if
he is convicted, why does it come, just stay where
he is and serve his sentence there.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
So, yes, there is.
Speaker 11 (28:39):
A possibility that an inmate could serve their sentence at
a metropolitan attendan center or a federal detention center across
the country, but that would be based on the crimes
that they're convicted of in the amount of time that
they're given. So inmates can serve a sentence less than
at ten years or less at a minimum security prison
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or in a metropolitan or a federal detention center as
what we call kind of like camp status or trustee status. However,
based on the type of crime that mister Combs is
being tried for, and if he's convicted of these sex offenses.
More than likely he will serve his time depending on
which charges that he is convicted of, either at a
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high security, a medium security, or a low security facility.
Based on these being sex crimes, more than likely, he'll
be recommended for a sex offended management program. And there
are three specific facilities across the country that are that
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house inmates for this particular program. The high security institution
is usp United States Penitentiary and Tucson, Arizona. The medium
facility is the Federal Correction Institution in Marianna, Florida, and
the low security Sex Defender Management program is held at
Federal Christian Institution in Inglewood, Colorado.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Manage his sex offender problem. Manage it, doctor Bethny Marshall.
I need a shrink and a drink, but says I
don't drink. I'll have to settle for you. Manage his
sex predatory problem.
Speaker 10 (30:26):
What is he saying, Nancy, He may continue offending in jail.
Speaker 8 (30:30):
You may not want to put him out in general.
Speaker 10 (30:32):
Population or around other people. He offended allegedly with minors, women, men,
anyone he could get his hands on, Nancy. I mean,
this guy's was a prolific offender. You think he's going
to stop just because he's behind bars. Wasn't there some
rumor that he was trying to engage with female inmates
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through the events or the greats? You know, he has
set such a power structure in his life, as Rob's
shooter was beautifully describing, He's going to create the same
power instruction with his fellow inmates.
Speaker 8 (31:06):
So that's what's going to have to be monitored.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Bethany, can I just stop you right there, all the
gibberish that you and Hendricks are spounding right now, no
offense manage his sex predatory problem. That day is over.
It's time for him to go to jail, right Okay.
He has had decades to manage his problem, but he
didn't manage his problem.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
In other words, stop what he was doing. He was
having a free cough up to the night he was arrested.
Isn't that true?
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Cidy Summer, Even knowing these charges were pending, what a
seawan comms do? He goes to New York as the
charges are pending, and he knows this, and he prepares
this beautiful hotel suite for another freak cough.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
He's not managing anything.
Speaker 7 (31:57):
Cont hotel room in New York on the day of
his The rest led investigators to believe that he was
staying there with the woman in A lot of the
materials seen in that hotel room were the same things
that he requested for freakoffs in the past with both
Jane and Cathy Ventura. There was mood lighting, there was drugs,
there was baby oil and astroglide. It looked like he
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was primed to host another freakoff in the days leading
us to his arrival.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
I mean, really, if a feeling federal indictment for sex
trafficking won't help you manage your problem, In other words,
stop it? What will no offense, Doctor Dwayne Hendricks. But
I you know, I got a call foul on everything
that you just said about managing a problem. He is
the problem. But here's another question, doctor Hendrix. If he
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is convicted. If he is convicted, how long would it
take for times to be shipped to his knee forever home.
Speaker 11 (33:03):
Typically, once an inmates is sentenced, the US Marshals will
send over their packet with the judgment and commitment order
along with the precenterged report to the designation and sentenced
Computation Center in Grand Prairie, Texas, and typically they take
about thirty forty five days to create a designation for
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that for a particular inmate. But since mister Colmbs is
a high profile inmate, I'm sure he will be on
the priority list to get him out of MDC as
soon as possible, So he'll probably be designated, probably within
thirty days of his sentencing if convicted, and more than
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likely he'll be moved on. Once designated. I'm sure the
staff at MDC will probably be calling again the Designation
and Competation Center to reach out to their transportation folks
to get him on an airline lift to his designated
facility as soon as practical.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Doctor Henry, speaking of transport, how would comes be transported?
Speaker 11 (34:11):
So inmates are transported to a site for an airlift,
more than likely, since he's at MDC Brooklyn, the marshals
will pick him up. They'll take him to an underclosed
site for the flight, and he'll fly on the Marshall's
plane we call him airlifts, and more than likely he'll
be transferred depending on where he's headed, but more than
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likely he'll probably spend a few days at the Federal
Transfer Center in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, and then move to
his designated facility from there or another federal transfer or
not federal transfer but Federal detention center or metropolitan Detention
center en route to the facility that he's designated to.
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So he will be on a plane, handcuffed, martin chain,
black boxed along with several other inmates.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
And unlike the private flights.
Speaker 11 (35:03):
That he's been used to taking with first class service,
this will not be that. So that will be how
he'd be transported to his new facility.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
We are on a verdict watch here at Crime Stories
as apparently a feud has developed behind closed doors in
the jury deliberation room.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Straight out to Sydney Summer.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter on the case from
the get go Sidney Summer.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
What have been the questions?
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Now?
Speaker 1 (35:29):
We know the first one, after about an.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Hour plus of deliberations was hey, one juror refuses to
follow the facts of the law.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
What happened after.
Speaker 7 (35:39):
That, Well, there was another note and that had a
legal question jurors requestioning what exactly is drug distribution? Asking
if somebody asks for drugs and somebody else delivers drugs
to the request, is that drug distribution now prosecutors wanted
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to write down yes, but the judge ultimately just read
back a portion of the original jury instructions to the
jury this morning before they were sent back to the
deliberation room. And the next question that we heard today
was wanting to review witness transcript again. So they asked
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specifically for Kathie's testimony for three different days, so the
Intercontinental Hotel incident, the incident at the Cans Film Festival
where Sean Combs kicked her off of the yacht without
her passport, without shoes for hours, and third in relation
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to any three cots with Daniel Phillips, and they said,
if any if there's any testimony regarding Daniel Phillips from
Kazi Ventura, we want to hear that. And then they
also asked for Daniel Phillips testimony in regard to the
incident where there was a freak off homes yelled at
Cas because she didn't come to him quick enough, took
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her in another room and Philip could hear Colmb's slapping
Cafie behind a closed door before they came back out,
and Combs instructed them to resume the freak off. So
these are the things that they're asking for, and it
really seems that they are arguing over this sex trafficking
charge coming to Cafie.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Well another issue to Robert Crispin, former DEA Crispin, if
they want to know, if you hand drugs to someone
that asked for it, is that distribution.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
I mean, the law is clear that that is distribution.
Speaker 8 (37:42):
Of course, it is possession of drugs for the guy
who takes it as well. And if we back it.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Up and go further where the guy who gave it to.
Speaker 8 (37:49):
Diddy, we get the guy who gave that to his dealer,
then we get that guy for a distribution. I want
to keep going down the pike back to the mother load.
We'll take everyone for conspiracy. So yes, looks like they're
looking at the drug charges, which I kind of like.
I do like that part.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Verry Fattus, a veteran trial lawyer joining us out of Colorado,
founding partner of oigner of Fattus Elite Legal Eric.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
If he goes down on a.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Single charge, yes it's a split verdict, is a victory
of sorts for the defense.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
But on any charge he's going to do at least
ten that's questionable.
Speaker 8 (38:22):
I'm not sure about that. So certainly the rico charge
carries up to his whole life. That's incredibly serious. Sex
traves king same thing up to his entire life in prison. However,
the most provable charge here is probably the least serious.
That's the intersafe prostitution charge. Now it does carry up
to ten years, but the judge has discretion here. Nancy
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and the judge could look at different guidelines and factors
and decide whether whether the max is appropriate or whether
time served is appropriate. There's no mandatory minimum here for
that fadus.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
We all know about departures upward and downward departures. In
the federal sentencing there are mandatory sentences, but the judge
can look at the facts and say, hey, you know,
fill in the blank. I think you should have more time,
or I think you should have less time.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
So take off your defense hat.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Let's just get real for one minute. Just try you
really think this judge that has heard all this evidence
would give a downward departure at the federal sentencing guidelines, really,
because I don't see it if Seawn comes walks on
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other charges.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
But let's just pick a charge. Let's go with drugs
and let's just pick that.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Although I think clearly they proved that he brought in
sex workers across state lines for illegal purposes, that being prostitution.
It's really clear. Okay, let's go with that one. You're right,
that's the best one proved so far. You really think
that after all this judge is heard, he would give
a lighter sentence because I don't agree with that.
Speaker 8 (40:06):
You know, the judge is going to look at a
number of factors, including a lack of.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Criminal history and polarized.
Speaker 8 (40:15):
So I think it's it's possible, based on how polarizing
this case has been, different interpretations.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Indivable, that the judge is going to go, yeah, you know,
I don't believe any of all those weeks of testimony,
so I'm going to give him a lighter sentence.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
You really really think? And what universe is that going
to happen?
Speaker 8 (40:34):
The judge might say, Hey, the jury didn't believe the testimony.
They're the ultimate fact finder here and I'm going to
defer to their decision on this, And on top of that,
Diddy has been through the ringer and if he is
found not guilty on those more serious counts, the judge
might say, hey, this or that.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Has been enough for you.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Glynshaw, did you hear that Fattas says Diddy has been
through the ringer?
Speaker 9 (40:55):
I mean really, I mean really, how dare you say
that when we have thousands and thousand of these alleged victims,
survivors of Ditty who's talking about them being put through
the ringer? Nobody understands this is a life sentence now
for them with trauma. This is what nobody is really understanding.
I'm tired of all the focus. I don't care he's
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sitting there. If this guy, if I had my way,
I'd put him out in the desert. He'd have to
wear that white towel for the rest of his life,
and he'd be the only one in his own ditty prison.
Because you know who's in prison right now, all of
these victims. And I want to remind everybody there were
men also.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
We didn't hear about it.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
I always heard.
Speaker 9 (41:33):
I don't have proof, but I always heard there were
male victims of ditties as well. I also heard about miners.
That's what I heard. Again, I don't have proof. We
didn't hear about any of this so put through the ringer.
Please wash your mouth out with soap before we do
it for you. Don't don't refer to him as anything
except triple D, dirty ditty, degenerate because he's a horrible monster.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Washes her mouth and then boil his lips.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
As we wait for a verdict in the Shawn Combs
sex trafficking trial, we stopped to remember an American hero,
Detective Gregory Farency of the Tera Haut p D. Fifty three,
shot in the line of duty and killed, survived by
two children, Nicholas and Peyton. American hero Detective Gregory Farancy
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Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Diddy loving it. Disorder in the court. Why a jury feud?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. I want to
thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Agniffilo used one old tired phrase after the next.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
She wanted it, she got paid. It was just homemade porn. Really,
as if that's the defense.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
The jury and the galley was looking like, sir, what
are you talking about?
Speaker 4 (00:34):
That was a very cringe moment.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Oh okay, that was way cringing straight out to Tisa
Tale standing by at the courthouse Teas Tale star off
Tisa Tales on YouTube TSA.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
What happened today in court?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Diddy's team got humiliated by Judge Rowland. He has had
e enough. Mark Agnifilio stood up and did his best Gianna,
we really honestly think, and Judge Aaron cut him and said,
I don't care what you think. As you know, the
jury's been passing notes back and forth. Now a lot
of people say that the jury is signaling that they
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are pointing to the heart of the case, the part
the prosecution wanted to wanted them to pay attention to.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
But that's not important.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
What's important is yesterday the judge gave instructions. Listen, the
jury acts the specific instruction if I give if you
give drugs to a friend, if a friend asks for
drugs and you give drugs to a friend, is that
the same as distribution?
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Short answer, of course it is.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
However, the judge gave both sides a specific charge. He
told them, listen, I'm gonna have to answer this question.
Tell me what you think this should say. Mark Agnefiel
had almost twenty four hours and came back into the
courtroom and said, listen, we think we shouldn't say anything.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
We're think that you should just give them the whole statute.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
He Judge Aaron literally cut them off and said, I
don't care what you think. It was a tense back
and forth. Can you follow my directions? Well, I think
can you follow my directions?
Speaker 5 (02:07):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Or no?
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Well, Yanna, we kind of think I don't care what
you think. You Can you follow them or are you
unwilling to yes or no? Mister Agnifilio. Mister Agnifilio finally said,
I mean yes, I can follow whatever you want to say.
He tried to move on, but we really think he
cut them off again. I don't care what you think.
He said, I'm not leaving these jurors at sea. The
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prosecution stood up and said he's trying to mislead the jury,
and Judge Aaron then repeated it do what you want
and what you want me to say and what you
want to propose is akin to misleading the jury and
we are not.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Going to do this.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Did He's team seemed crushed, they were furied, they were.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Doing all the stuff.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Judge Aaron would not let them even get air to breathe.
He has had enough and when you think about it,
it is ridiculous what they were actually expecting them to do,
just to give them no guidance for the sake of
what so diddler touchy Roll can walk free.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
And just so you know it was bad.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Afterwards, Janie Colms literally because we went to break. After that,
Janice Colms literally stopped Westmoreland and Brian still in the
right when they were walking out of court to have
a talk with them.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
She was still seated.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
You couldn't see her face, but her body language was
very urgent, and Westmoreland and Brian Steell spent about seven
to eight minutes trying to soothe Jani's colm And then
after that. An hour or two later, Didy's sons and
even his baby's mom, Dana Tran started trickling in.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
So again, whatever's going on, it looks.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Like the delusion land that Ditty and his family has
been living in it cannot pulled up against what's going
on with these juror notes being passed back and forth
on top of.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
The other bombshells dropping.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
It looks like Diddy's team has been getting more losses
during Dury deliberation than they ever then when they got
during the trial, Shapiro looked furious.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
It's expected she's going to be the appellate lawyer.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
However, they have been saying back and forth, we want
to preserve our objection, preserves our injection.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Now what is that?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
I'll leave that to the lawyers to decide. But one
thing is certain is Judge Aaron is sending the message
he does not care. Every time now they try to preserve,
he literally gives them a slow blink for three seconds
and says, yeah, okay, let's move on. Another interesting thing
that happened in court was the Cassie Factor again.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Marine called me this set to get job on.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
His closing, maybe even too good because Diddy's teams suffered
a second bombshell in court when two notes were actually
taken were rushed out from the jury room. Those notes
had to do with Cassie. They wanted to hear Cassie's
testimony again. They wanted to hear what happened in Cans
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Kansas is one of the things where Ring Cally pointed
to for the sex trafficking. And last, but not least,
they wanted to hear what happened with Daniel Phillip. Who's
Daniel Phillip. Well, if you believe or Ring called me
in her closing.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
She is.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
He is the only ex escort that on the docket.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
She actually showed this testimony, admitted that he had sex
with Ditty and Cassie for money. When those notes came out,
Diddy was sitting there when I say it looked like
he wanted to just He didn't know whether to stand up,
sit down, whether to.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Be happy or just sad.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
At first, he thought it was going to be hopeful
that it's like when they read it, he realized, wait,
that's this isn't helping me at all.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
He looked to his team. His team looked gravely concerned.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
They activated, They were on their laptops, on their mobiles,
flipping through everything they can.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
They asked for more information.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
They tried to argue their point in front of the
judge as much as they can. But it looks like
despite Mark Agnofilial's ugh highly massages in this badly timed
comedy show of a closing, it looks like the prostitution
pointed to where the bodies were buried and the jury
has their shovels out ready to dig. This is bad
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for Diddy and he is looking stressed. And as the
family keeps coming in during the day and we expect
probably they'll be here tomorrow. If the jury doesn't come
back with a verdict tomorrow, it looks like something is
going to come down soon.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Straight out to Sydney Suner Crime Stories investigative reporter. So
far and counting at least five jury questions, shall we
start at the beginning or should we take them in
reverse chronological order? Look, this is what I know. I
know when your jury isn't getting along, when they've only
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been back there for about an hour and a half,
you got a p I mean a problem. I'm talking mistrial,
hung jury split verdict that kind of problem.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Let's go in reverse chronological.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Sidney, what was one of the most recent questions from
the jury that came in early this morning about ten
twenty seven. They hadn't been back there forty five minutes.
Speaker 7 (07:17):
Tell me what happened, well, Nancy, Apparently they requested transcripts
from two of the witnesses testimony. We don't know what
charges they're considering when they're asking for these transcripts, or
who they are asking to review, but that's what's coming
out of the courtroom right now.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Okay, Eric Fattus joining me veteran trial lawyer, joining us
out of the Denver jurisdiction. Founding partner Varner Fattus, elite
legal for my purposes, former felony prosecutor.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Fattus.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
You can absolutely tell which direction the jury is headed
in by jury questions. The first question came out about
actually it was more of a complaint the jury saying
that one of the jurors could not follow the judge's instructions. Look,
it's not like the judge went home and over dinner
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just came up with some instructions. This is the law,
the black and white letter of the law. The jury
must use to decide the case. For instance, the definition
of sex trafficking, the definition of drugs with intent to distribute,
the definition of kidnapping. They are the legal definitions. What
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does that mean? He can't follow the law? What the hey?
And what paus fatus hey? Sydney Sumner? This jurar that
can't follow the law. Doesn't he have like a bunch
of graduate degrees.
Speaker 7 (08:48):
Yes, he is a PhD in molecular biology. Now it's
unclear exactly what he does for work. He said that
he was a scientist, but he also at one point
said he was a veterinarian. But yes, this is a
very intelligent person, at least in booksmart's very academic.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Okay, Eric fattis every defense attorney's dream come true.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
You've got a guy. Let me just go ahead and put.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
It out there, a nerd. Look, I'm really proud. I
got a lot of brainiacs in my family. I'm not
claiming to be one, but a lot of brainiacts, okay,
including my two children. So I'm all about the brainiacs.
But when you have somebody that's all book learning, no
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street smarts at all, he's like, freak ofugh, what what
I didn't study that in molecular biology class when I
was getting my PhD. All his education aside, and I'm
already telling the children they've got to get a PhD someday.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
I'm all for it.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
But Eric, when you have a gr R within two
hours says I can't follow, I'm not gonna do that.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
What.
Speaker 8 (10:00):
Yeah, a curious development here, And you know, in trying
to decipher what this could mean, one thing it Forstured
means is.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
That they're a face there.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
You know, you and the devil danced around the fire
pit last night.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
When you heard this. They'll just say, oh, that's curious.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
They asked, you're thrilled because that means a problem in
the jury, a jury feud, and you know it get real, man.
Speaker 8 (10:25):
Well the defense is thrilled Diddy's defense, Yes, certainly, because
what it shows is there's some dissension in the ranks.
These folks are not agreeing. And this is from the outset.
This is at the very beginning. Look, as you know, Nancy,
during jury selection and once these jurors were selected, they
took an oath that said they will follow the law.
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That is really their central role here. Now we're learning,
you know, hours into the deliberation, that there's a problem
with that. This prosecution needs to get twelve jurors to
agree to be unanimous on conviction, and this trouble so
early on is certainly concerning for the prosecution.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
What could it be?
Speaker 8 (11:08):
Could it be that this juror is considering evidence outside
the trial, considering his personal feelings, sympathy, bias, prejudice, those
kind of things, considering stuff he heard in the media
that itself could be grounds for a mistrial, could be
grounds for air, could be grounds for reversing any conviction
that has had.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Okay, fatus, did I ever tell you that I somehow,
I don't know how I did it got a your r,
a lady. I can remember what she looked like, A lady,
your r in a murder case, that decided she could
not pass judgment on other people.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
She decided this a midstream.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
I forgot she had some religion where you're not supposed
to pass judgment on other people.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Okay, And I don't.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Mean just what Chris said, don't judge other people. You
know you don't have a leg to stand on. Let
he without sining, throw the first stone.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
That whole thing.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
It was a tenant in her religion, you cannot pass judgment. Okay,
you know what, Why are you telling me in the
middle of the trial.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Why am I learning this?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
And then I didn't I didn't make it any better
because of my closing statement. I accidentally spit on her. Okay,
was that the jury rail I was arguing passionately and
it's okay. That didn't help anything. Finally, the juror had
to be brought out and reminded of.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
What you just said. That she took an oath. Uh well,
right there.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
That was a problem too, because the court reporter pointed
out to me that she refused to raise her hand
and take the jury oath, which I did not see. Okay,
that should have been a tip off right there. I
should have said, lady Gerard, you're not taking the oath,
You're off and take an alternate right then, But I
didn't see it.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
That said. Somehow I manage to get a guilty verdict
on that. But you have to be really careful.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
You're right, fattest they take an oath to follow the law,
they've already promised to follow the law. Now, this guy,
the molecular biologist PhD.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Says he can't follow the law. He needs to be
thrown off right now.
Speaker 8 (13:12):
You know these folks are just people from the community, right,
They're not professional jurors. For most of them, this is
their first rodeo. And talk about a tumultuous one. My
husbands so to be back there and maybe having some
kind of buyer's remorse in terms of getting on this
jury second guessing, Hey, am I really the right person
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for this? And now we are in the think of it.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
This is a lady second guessing. Am I the right
person for this? You know what, You may be right,
you may be wrong, but you're in it now, man,
So get on with it. Joining me an all star panel.
But I want to go now to Lynn Shaw, the
founder and director Lynn's Warriors, and she is the host
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of Lynn's Warriors on YouTube. Her organization committed to ending
sex trafficking and abuse of women and girls. Lynn Shaw
braced yourself. I'm going to tell you what happened in
court early this morning. Shawn Combs came out. He was
allowed to speak to his mother. Many defendants, violent felony
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defendants are not allowed to get close to other people,
right because they could be slipped. I don't know, a
nail file and anything that they could use to escape.
They could be handed a joint, they could be handed appeal.
I don't know what they could be handed. Any number
of things could be slipped to them, or they could
have an outburst and attack somebody. But Shawn Combs is
getting preferential treatment. But I want to tell you that
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he thought to tell his mother he loves her outfit.
She is war in court today, a green and cream
zebra print outfit.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Look, I'm not Anna Winter. I don't care what anybody's wearing.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
But what concerns me is after some of these insights
were coming out, he says to his mother, Relax, it's
going to be all right.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
What have they already told him?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
The jury is having a feud and you're going to
have a hung jury.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
That's my fear. What message will that send?
Speaker 9 (15:17):
Yeah, I am not feeling good about this at all, Nancy,
that he is allowed to act like that, because I've
been in court and our women and girls that I've
been with, they're not allowed to talk to anybody, touch anybody,
have any kind of contact like that. So right then
and there and telling his mother and she's in court
today also relax, listen. I took an oath to stand
with survivors and power victims no matter what.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
This whole trial goes.
Speaker 9 (15:42):
To what I've been saying all along now for going
on eight weeks. The public they don't understand, I bet anything,
they do not understand these charges of prostitution across state
lines because you know what, society has failed in twenty
twenty five to describe all of this to make the
public understand. So so what I take the oath and
I'm going to go to my death standing up educating
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the entire world about what sex trafficking really is, what trauma,
bonding trauma really is, because everybody better start waking up
and understand, because the message to society is going to
be very bad if this guy walks out and ends
up on one hundred and thirty fifth Street having the
barbecue that they have planned for him on the fourth
of July to.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Doctor Bethany Marshall Joining Us renouncesycho Analyst joining us out
of the LA jurisdiction.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
She's the author of deal Breaker.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
You can see her on Peacock and you can find
her online at Dr Bethanymarshall dot com. Bethany, here's the deal.
Everything that Lanshaw just said.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Agree.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
However, this is not a caveat to what she said.
I am transposing what she said onto these proceedings. Many
people will argue, well, the state didn't explain it well enough,
or the state made it too complicated. Think back to
top Mom, Kasey Anthony, if you dare, many people argue
the state made it too complicated. You know what the
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science behind the air in the trunk of Topman's car
where her daughter decomposed.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
The air had particles of D coop in it.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Like let's just say you walk into a Kentucky Fried
chicken and you smell chicken. Why because minute particles naked
to the invisible to the naked eye are in the air,
and that's what you're smelling. Okay, let you smell D
coop of a decomposing body, which was little KILLI.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
In the trunk of that car.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Yes, it's complicated if you go into the scientific minutia
of it. But the way the state argued this, when
you look at that video, I mean, it's.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Really not that hard to understand.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
It sounds like to me, somebody went in there with
a preconceived notion with an extra grind and there being
a contrarian or Nancy.
Speaker 10 (17:57):
My worst fear is that there's a type of group
think in this group. In other words, that they may
be looking past the science, maybe looking past the prosecution,
just like the jurors and the Casey Anthony case, so
that they are not really paying attention to this video,
or they've become a nerd to it. They've seen it
so many times it really doesn't even hold any weight
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for them anymore. And usually groups do fall into a
type of group think where they become cohesive. They all
want to think the same things. And my worst fear
is that this scientist is what we call out person.
He is the only person standing up. Again, this is
just a fear, not an active theory, but he's the
one saying, hey, let's look at the hard science, let's
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look at what the prosecutor said, and that the other
groups think jurors have just seen it so many times,
they're over it, they don't care anymore. And like Lynn
Shaw said, people don't really understand sex trafficking. I mean
Agnifilo's statement that you know, if a guy wants anal sex,
the girl might just give it to him just to
please her boyfriend. Really, I think, you know, unfortunately may
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have fed into this hysterical notion that women were just
in it for the money. And I just hope that's
not what's happening in this in this jury room, in the.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Deliberations, Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Welcome back. We are
live at the Monahan Federal Courthouse and there is trouble.
I can smell it a mile away, and Diddy is
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loving it. Apparently a jury food is threatening a verdict.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Straight out to Lauren Colins. Standing by Lauren, what happened?
Speaker 5 (19:49):
It is day two of jury deliberations and it seems
like the jury is going down the verdict sheep in order.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
We first heard a.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
Question from them on day one, as it pertains to
the drug Distribution Predicate Act under racketeering.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
The judge addressed how.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
He would like to handle this, and he came in
on day two and said that he would like to
address this by specifically answering their question, referring them back
to a portion of the original jury charges. The defense
didn't want to do this.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
They wanted to.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
Address this question with addressing the charge as a whole,
but the judge thought that that would be misleading, So
that happened on day two, right at the beginning of
the day. And then about an hour later, around ten
to fifteen am, the jury came back with a second
note as it pertains to Cassie Ventura's testimony, they wanted
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elements of her testimony pertaining two events regarding the Intercontinental
Hotel events following the Cannes Film Festival, and this incident
was basically Cassie had testified that she was kicked off
Diddy's boat because he accused her of stealing drugs, and
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she was wearing a beaded dress at the film festival
at a movie premiere, and he allegedly dug his hands
into her dress and into her arm, and then they
flew back to New York and she was made to
participate in a freak off. They wanted these events or
the testimony of these events, and then they wanted interactions
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between Cassie and Daniel Phillip, all of those and then
an incident involving Cassie Ventura.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
At the Essex Hotel.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
Now there seemed to be a lot of back and
forth and disagreement on what the court should include when
sending back the Intercontinental Hotel incident to the jury.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
So the defense.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
Actually wanted the portion of the testimony that talked about
Cassie getting a ten million dollars settlement from the Intercontinental
Hotel included, but they later withdrew this as the judge
and the back and forth kind of got a little
bit more intense, a little bit more complicated. I think
they sort of saw this as an overach and they said, Okay,
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we withdraw because at one point, when the defense and
the government couldn't seem to agree on what to send
back to the jury, the judge said, well, why don't
we just send back Ms. Ventur's entire testimony, and the
defense was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, please, this
is over eight hundred pages. The jury asked for specifics.
We don't want to overwhelm them, you know, so they
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kind of, yeah, they withdrew that, and then essentially what
was decided on was that they could include about two
days prior testimony, two days prior to the Intercontinental Hotel incident,
kind of talking about setting this up, and the defense
wanted this in because Cassie allegedly texted I want to
fo so bad and they wanted to speak to possible
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coercion there, so they wanted that included. And then the
government wanted text messages included about one to two days
after to speak to Cassie's mindset, etc. So both of
those were let in, as well as the defense wanted
Cassie's testimony or Cassie's Instagram post let in which talked
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about Cassie saying domestic violence is the issue, and the.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Judge allowed it.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
So the court did instruct the parties to get all
of these transcripts to the jury by one pm, and
they did so, and the jury will continue deliberating. If
I had to take a wild guess, at this rate,
it seems like the jury is asking good questions, they are.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Going in order, and they are making progress.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
I would say by the third day of deliberations.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
By the end of the third day, we'll have a verdict.
Joining me now. Special guest Rob Shooter, host of not Ay.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
But Nice podcast and you can find him at robshooter
dot substack dot com and former publicist for Sean Comes.
When I say, did he's loving it, don't you know?
He just told his mom in court Relax, don't worry
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it's gonna be okay, It's all gonna be all right.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
What does he know that I don't know?
Speaker 4 (24:27):
He did.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
He is loving this year, absolutely right, Nancy, about that.
He's loving all the attention. He's loving that everybody is
talking about him. And I've been saying this now for
a couple of weeks. The mood within the camp, within
Team didd he is that this has worked. His strategy,
which was his strategy, not his lawyers, it has worked.
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If he pulls this off, he will feel invincible. And
at the moment, he's feeling pretty damn good. Nancy.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
What do you make of his casual air in the
courtroom speaking with his mother. It's not like he has
put his family first in life.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
We know that. So what does this mean?
Speaker 2 (25:09):
I'm trying to decipher what I'm seeing, what I know
to be happening.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
What does it mean he's all chill and no mistay,
saying hey, hey, hey, hey, it's going to be all right.
You'll see. What the hey? Does he know that? We
don't know? Does he know that.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
One of the girrars is on his side? Have they
made some kind of eye contact or some other kind
of contact. I don't know about you stated that did.
He orchestrates everything, so if this happens, if he pulls
this off, it will be his own orchestration.
Speaker 6 (25:46):
Absolutely, if he pulls this off, he will feel like
he is the king of the world. And at the moment, Nanci,
We've got to be honest. Your viewers are not going
to want to hear this. But things are not going
smoothly as the prosecution thought they would. He all along
knew the power of celebrity. He sat there, he listened,
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He showed them he could be Diddy when he wanted
to show off. He pretended to be humble when he
felt like he needed to be humble. He feels as
if the plan is really working now. Let me do
point out though, as somebody who knows Diddy, he's always
been very confident. Some people would say over confident. I've
been at TV shows, I've been at a press events
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with Diddy where everybody is pulling their hair out, worried
about the type of questions or exposure or coverage he's.
Speaker 8 (26:38):
Going to get.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
He's always chilled. I was backstaged with him at his
big first fashion show, Sean John, which was millions and
millions of dollars riding on this product, riding on this show. Everybody,
the investors, the publicists, the marketing team, the stylists. We
were all running around pulling out of a hair and
he was really chilled. He sat and he got chilled.
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He told me once, the more noise, the louder it gets,
the quieter he gets. And so I think that's what
he's doing now, is keeping it inside. He's thinking this through.
He's calming down his family, his friends, which is a
role that he likes to do. He likes to be
the boss. And so at the moment, Nancy, he's feeling
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pretty good. And as somebody who knows him, Nancy, his instincts,
unfortunately are often right.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
I still think did he is bringing the hot sheel?
Speaker 6 (27:32):
He certainly likes to win and have things his own way.
I know he's looking at that jewelry like an audience.
He's been on stage and he knows what it's like
to lose an audience. Now he's sitting in this courtroom,
and he can tell he's a professional at this, Nancy,
he can tell that this just is not working.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Did he loving it?
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Disorder in the court there apparently is Ajror feud, which
very often leads to a mistrial a hung jury. Let
it not be so in this case, sex attack victims
all over the world watching this trial. Adjoining me now
is doctor Dwayne Hendrix, former Associate Warden, MDC in Brooklyn,
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former Senior Warden with the US Department of Justice, the
author of Who Are You See It?
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Say It Sees It?
Speaker 2 (28:23):
And president of a New Daylight Foundation, Doctor Dwayne Hendrix,
Doctor Hendrix, thank you for being with us. Question, if
he is convicted, why does it come, just stay where
he is and serve his sentence there.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
So, yes, there is.
Speaker 11 (28:39):
A possibility that an inmate could serve their sentence at
a metropolitan attendan center or a federal detention center across
the country, but that would be based on the crimes
that they're convicted of in the amount of time that
they're given. So inmates can serve a sentence less than
at ten years or less at a minimum security prison
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or in a metropolitan or a federal detention center as
what we call kind of like camp status or trustee status. However,
based on the type of crime that mister Combs is
being tried for, and if he's convicted of these sex offenses.
More than likely he will serve his time depending on
which charges that he is convicted of, either at a
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high security, a medium security, or a low security facility.
Based on these being sex crimes, more than likely, he'll
be recommended for a sex offended management program. And there
are three specific facilities across the country that are that
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house inmates for this particular program. The high security institution
is usp United States Penitentiary and Tucson, Arizona. The medium
facility is the Federal Correction Institution in Marianna, Florida, and
the low security Sex Defender Management program is held at
Federal Christian Institution in Inglewood, Colorado.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Manage his sex offender problem. Manage it, doctor Bethny Marshall.
I need a shrink and a drink, but says I
don't drink. I'll have to settle for you. Manage his
sex predatory problem.
Speaker 10 (30:26):
What is he saying, Nancy, He may continue offending in jail.
Speaker 8 (30:30):
You may not want to put him out in general.
Speaker 10 (30:32):
Population or around other people. He offended allegedly with minors, women, men,
anyone he could get his hands on, Nancy. I mean,
this guy's was a prolific offender. You think he's going
to stop just because he's behind bars. Wasn't there some
rumor that he was trying to engage with female inmates
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through the events or the greats? You know, he has
set such a power structure in his life, as Rob's
shooter was beautifully describing, He's going to create the same
power instruction with his fellow inmates.
Speaker 8 (31:06):
So that's what's going to have to be monitored.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Bethany, can I just stop you right there, all the
gibberish that you and Hendricks are spounding right now, no
offense manage his sex predatory problem. That day is over.
It's time for him to go to jail, right Okay.
He has had decades to manage his problem, but he
didn't manage his problem.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
In other words, stop what he was doing. He was
having a free cough up to the night he was arrested.
Isn't that true?
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Cidy Summer, Even knowing these charges were pending, what a
seawan comms do? He goes to New York as the
charges are pending, and he knows this, and he prepares
this beautiful hotel suite for another freak cough.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
He's not managing anything.
Speaker 7 (31:57):
Cont hotel room in New York on the day of
his The rest led investigators to believe that he was
staying there with the woman in A lot of the
materials seen in that hotel room were the same things
that he requested for freakoffs in the past with both
Jane and Cathy Ventura. There was mood lighting, there was drugs,
there was baby oil and astroglide. It looked like he
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was primed to host another freakoff in the days leading
us to his arrival.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
I mean, really, if a feeling federal indictment for sex
trafficking won't help you manage your problem, In other words,
stop it? What will no offense, Doctor Dwayne Hendricks. But
I you know, I got a call foul on everything
that you just said about managing a problem. He is
the problem. But here's another question, doctor Hendrix. If he
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is convicted. If he is convicted, how long would it
take for times to be shipped to his knee forever home.
Speaker 11 (33:03):
Typically, once an inmates is sentenced, the US Marshals will
send over their packet with the judgment and commitment order
along with the precenterged report to the designation and sentenced
Computation Center in Grand Prairie, Texas, and typically they take
about thirty forty five days to create a designation for
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that for a particular inmate. But since mister Colmbs is
a high profile inmate, I'm sure he will be on
the priority list to get him out of MDC as
soon as possible, So he'll probably be designated, probably within
thirty days of his sentencing if convicted, and more than
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likely he'll be moved on. Once designated. I'm sure the
staff at MDC will probably be calling again the Designation
and Competation Center to reach out to their transportation folks
to get him on an airline lift to his designated
facility as soon as practical.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Doctor Henry, speaking of transport, how would comes be transported?
Speaker 11 (34:11):
So inmates are transported to a site for an airlift,
more than likely, since he's at MDC Brooklyn, the marshals
will pick him up. They'll take him to an underclosed
site for the flight, and he'll fly on the Marshall's
plane we call him airlifts, and more than likely he'll
be transferred depending on where he's headed, but more than
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likely he'll probably spend a few days at the Federal
Transfer Center in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, and then move to
his designated facility from there or another federal transfer or
not federal transfer but Federal detention center or metropolitan Detention
center en route to the facility that he's designated to.
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So he will be on a plane, handcuffed, martin chain,
black boxed along with several other inmates.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
And unlike the private flights.
Speaker 11 (35:03):
That he's been used to taking with first class service,
this will not be that. So that will be how
he'd be transported to his new facility.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
We are on a verdict watch here at Crime Stories
as apparently a feud has developed behind closed doors in
the jury deliberation room.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Straight out to Sydney Summer.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter on the case from
the get go Sidney Summer.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
What have been the questions?
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Now?
Speaker 1 (35:29):
We know the first one, after about an.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Hour plus of deliberations was hey, one juror refuses to
follow the facts of the law.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
What happened after.
Speaker 7 (35:39):
That, Well, there was another note and that had a
legal question jurors requestioning what exactly is drug distribution? Asking
if somebody asks for drugs and somebody else delivers drugs
to the request, is that drug distribution now prosecutors wanted
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to write down yes, but the judge ultimately just read
back a portion of the original jury instructions to the
jury this morning before they were sent back to the
deliberation room. And the next question that we heard today
was wanting to review witness transcript again. So they asked
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specifically for Kathie's testimony for three different days, so the
Intercontinental Hotel incident, the incident at the Cans Film Festival
where Sean Combs kicked her off of the yacht without
her passport, without shoes for hours, and third in relation
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to any three cots with Daniel Phillips, and they said,
if any if there's any testimony regarding Daniel Phillips from
Kazi Ventura, we want to hear that. And then they
also asked for Daniel Phillips testimony in regard to the
incident where there was a freak off homes yelled at
Cas because she didn't come to him quick enough, took
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her in another room and Philip could hear Colmb's slapping
Cafie behind a closed door before they came back out,
and Combs instructed them to resume the freak off. So
these are the things that they're asking for, and it
really seems that they are arguing over this sex trafficking
charge coming to Cafie.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Well another issue to Robert Crispin, former DEA Crispin, if
they want to know, if you hand drugs to someone
that asked for it, is that distribution.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
I mean, the law is clear that that is distribution.
Speaker 8 (37:42):
Of course, it is possession of drugs for the guy
who takes it as well. And if we back it.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Up and go further where the guy who gave it to.
Speaker 8 (37:49):
Diddy, we get the guy who gave that to his dealer,
then we get that guy for a distribution. I want
to keep going down the pike back to the mother load.
We'll take everyone for conspiracy. So yes, looks like they're
looking at the drug charges, which I kind of like.
I do like that part.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Verry Fattus, a veteran trial lawyer joining us out of Colorado,
founding partner of oigner of Fattus Elite Legal Eric.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
If he goes down on a.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Single charge, yes it's a split verdict, is a victory
of sorts for the defense.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
But on any charge he's going to do at least
ten that's questionable.
Speaker 8 (38:22):
I'm not sure about that. So certainly the rico charge
carries up to his whole life. That's incredibly serious. Sex
traves king same thing up to his entire life in prison. However,
the most provable charge here is probably the least serious.
That's the intersafe prostitution charge. Now it does carry up
to ten years, but the judge has discretion here. Nancy
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and the judge could look at different guidelines and factors
and decide whether whether the max is appropriate or whether
time served is appropriate. There's no mandatory minimum here for
that fadus.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
We all know about departures upward and downward departures. In
the federal sentencing there are mandatory sentences, but the judge
can look at the facts and say, hey, you know,
fill in the blank. I think you should have more time,
or I think you should have less time.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
So take off your defense hat.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Let's just get real for one minute. Just try you
really think this judge that has heard all this evidence
would give a downward departure at the federal sentencing guidelines, really,
because I don't see it if Seawn comes walks on
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other charges.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
But let's just pick a charge. Let's go with drugs
and let's just pick that.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Although I think clearly they proved that he brought in
sex workers across state lines for illegal purposes, that being prostitution.
It's really clear. Okay, let's go with that one. You're right,
that's the best one proved so far. You really think
that after all this judge is heard, he would give
a lighter sentence because I don't agree with that.
Speaker 8 (40:06):
You know, the judge is going to look at a
number of factors, including a lack of.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Criminal history and polarized.
Speaker 8 (40:15):
So I think it's it's possible, based on how polarizing
this case has been, different interpretations.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Indivable, that the judge is going to go, yeah, you know,
I don't believe any of all those weeks of testimony,
so I'm going to give him a lighter sentence.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
You really really think? And what universe is that going
to happen?
Speaker 8 (40:34):
The judge might say, Hey, the jury didn't believe the testimony.
They're the ultimate fact finder here and I'm going to
defer to their decision on this, And on top of that,
Diddy has been through the ringer and if he is
found not guilty on those more serious counts, the judge
might say, hey, this or that.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Has been enough for you.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Glynshaw, did you hear that Fattas says Diddy has been
through the ringer?
Speaker 9 (40:55):
I mean really, I mean really, how dare you say
that when we have thousands and thousand of these alleged victims,
survivors of Ditty who's talking about them being put through
the ringer? Nobody understands this is a life sentence now
for them with trauma. This is what nobody is really understanding.
I'm tired of all the focus. I don't care he's
(41:16):
sitting there. If this guy, if I had my way,
I'd put him out in the desert. He'd have to
wear that white towel for the rest of his life,
and he'd be the only one in his own ditty prison.
Because you know who's in prison right now, all of
these victims. And I want to remind everybody there were
men also.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
We didn't hear about it.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
I always heard.
Speaker 9 (41:33):
I don't have proof, but I always heard there were
male victims of ditties as well. I also heard about miners.
That's what I heard. Again, I don't have proof. We
didn't hear about any of this so put through the ringer.
Please wash your mouth out with soap before we do
it for you. Don't don't refer to him as anything
except triple D, dirty ditty, degenerate because he's a horrible monster.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Washes her mouth and then boil his lips.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
As we wait for a verdict in the Shawn Combs
sex trafficking trial, we stopped to remember an American hero,
Detective Gregory Farency of the Tera Haut p D. Fifty three,
shot in the line of duty and killed, survived by
two children, Nicholas and Peyton. American hero Detective Gregory Farancy
(42:25):
Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,
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