June 30, 2025 • 43 mins
The lead attorney for Diddy's powerhouse defense team closes with mixed reviews, as the disgraced rap mogul appears focused, glancing at the juror box as jury instructions are laid out before deliberations begin.
Sean ‘Diddy’ Combs’ lead attorney, Marc Agnifilo, mocks the sex trafficking case in closing arguments, saying the charges ‘badly exaggerated’ evidence of a swinger lifestyle and threesomes with recreational drug use.
Judge Arun Subramanian admonishes Agnifilo after his heavy victim- and state-blaming sarcastic closing arguments. Agnifilo calls Combs’ prosecution a “fake trial” and ridicules the notion the rap mogul ever engaged in racketeering. Even rival rapper 50 Cent weighs in about closing arguments by Combs' powerhouse defense lead, calling out Diddy's lawyer over controversial closing arguments: "They Did Him Dirty."
As soon as deliberations began, they hit a snag, as one juror apparently can’t follow the judge’s instructions, according to other jurors. Jurors sent the judge a note complaining that one juror may not be playing well with others. With that said, Diddy's jury has a lot to ponder and work through on understanding RICO laws, as another question, making it the second one, is being sent to the judge.
These notes appear to signify the jurors are taking their service duty seriously.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Eric Faddis – Partner at Varner Faddis Elite Legal, Former Felony Prosecutor and Current Criminal Defense and Civil Litigation Attorney; Instagram: @e_fad @varnerfaddis; TikTok: @varnerfaddis
- Dr. Bethany Marshall – Psychoanalyst, Author: “Deal Breaker,” and featured in hit show “Paris in Love” on Peacock; Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, X: @DrBethanyLive
- Robert Crispin – Private Investigator at “Crispin Special Investigations,” Former Federal Task Force Officer for the United States Department of Justice [DEA and Miami Field Division], Former Homicide and Crimes Against Children Investigator; Facebook: Crispin Special Investigations Inc.
- Dani Pinter – Senior Vice President and Director of Law Center, National Center on Sexual Exploitation
- Rob Shuter– Host: Naughty But Nice Podcast, Former publicist of Sean Combs; IG: @naughtygossip
- Tisa Tells – Pop Culture Investigator & Commentator and Host of ‘Tisa Tells’ on YouTube; YouTube: @TisaTells, Instagram & TikTok: @TisaTellss
- Sydney Sumner - 'Crime Stories' Investigative Reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
We are on a verdict watch here a crime story.
That's right, it's the Diddy Verdict Watch. Now the defense
has claimed to the jury with a straight face that
those violent attacks some caught on video are all.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Just homemade porn okay.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
During the Diddy Verdict Watch, it has promulgated outside the courthouse.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
There are t shirts for sale.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Vegas bents through the roof, tarot card predictions. But it
all boils down to what twelve individuals believe. I'm Nancy Grace.
This is crime Stories. I want to thank you for
being with us. Sean Kimes walking into the courtroom, all
Na must.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Stay what what well?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Whoa whoa wo what a yoga zen thing.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Greeting his lawyers with a yoga studio, asked about.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Namastay my career end.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
This is horrific that he's allowed to walk into court
an easy's being well, cute and calm.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
He can Noma stay his way all the way to
the MDC.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
He wasn't all Noma stay in the middle of all
these free costs. He can chill out behind bars for
the rest of his life for all I care. After
bombshell closing, statements. The judge charged the jury throughout the morning,
and we are in a verdict. Watch here at Crime
Stories as we wait for the show incomes verdict to
(01:30):
be handed down by a jury of twelve. Joining us
now outside the Monahan Federal Courthouse. Tisa Tail's host of
Tisa Tales on YouTube, Tisa thank you for being with us.
What happened in court today?
Speaker 4 (01:43):
In court, Mark Agnefilio came in like.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
He had had the worst news delivered to He was
in walking around purl Brow, going in and out.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Nobody knows what happened.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
However, the jury got the instructions, and something's telling me
that a strawberry lemonade defense might be falling apart.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Before it even had a chance to take hold.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Okay, for those that don't know about the strawberry lemonade defense,
among so many other defenses such as it was just
homemade porn. Really okay? Does that include the Castiventior beat
down video that said strawberry lemonade explain this really took
the cake.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Strawberry leiminade defense is something I hope I never hear again.
I will never be able to look at Country Time
eliminade again.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Mark Agnofilio started off by saying, you know, it's like
when you're a partner. Sometimes they like it, but you
don't like.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
But you couldn't like what your partner likes because you
want to please them again. The jury and the galley
was looking like, sir, what are you talking about? He
looked like he was like, okay, too far. It's like
and then he immediately switched to it's like drinking strawberry lemonade.
Your partner might love it, you don't like it, but.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Over time you come to like it because you want
to please your partner again.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
And Mark Agnofilio was doing, I don't believe you're lying,
eyes and ears, just focus in on me. His wife
was in court and he said that this was he's
seen him his whole career, and this was the best
clothing he's ever seen him perform. And I gotta say,
if that was the best, I would hate to see
the worst.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
You know, Tisa tails.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Throughout the defense closing statement, we heard Agnifilo use one
old tired phrase after the next, such as she wanted it, uh,
she got paid, as if that's the defense to the beatings,
making a lot of comments about how much money Cassaventiro had,
(03:44):
how much money? He was referring to Jane Steele living in.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
The home that Diddy had paid for, on and on
with so many old, tired phrases.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I'm very curious at reflecting on really disdainful theories about
rape victims. I'm very curious how the jury was responding
to that.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
The funny thing is, I thought it was my imagination,
but I talked to a few people also that.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Were sitting on court. He lost the jury. He went
so far as to say, you want to talk about
old school rape theories? He said, and then he pulled
out the oldest trick in the book, him, read me,
and she said it just like that.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
The jury's eyes kind of looked like, what is going on?
He tried to apply Cassie was a minx that seduced
all these men. She was gangster, She could take two
or three men at a time. Cassie was a woman
that likes sex.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
It was so disgusting. And the funny thing is, and
I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
He came in really charming the jury, making jokes. But
once he started going into that old school misogyny, the
jury was termed off. And the thing is, he started
to seem like he was to get a little nervous.
It's almost like he realized that he had.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Lost a jury. It was really startling to see.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Okay, let me understand what you just said. Tisa Tales.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Everyone Tasta Tales from Tisa Tales on YouTube joining us
outside the courthouse. And what a day it has been
in the courtroom. We'll get into jury instructions in just
a moment. But did you say that Agnifilo, the lead
defense attorney, stated that Cassie was gangster and that she
was fine to take two to three men at once.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
He said that.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
What he actually said was she juggled them two three
at a time.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
But Nancy, you hit it on the head, that inference,
that little sly growth thought he was trying to plant
in the jury's head two to three. Let's not forget
what she was getting the trend on her. It was
two or three people. It was disgusting to see what
he was doing. And that inference that you picked up
on was not lost on the jury. He lost them
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with that old school misogyny.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
It was too much.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
It was too much.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Okay, wait a minute, did he act she say the
word gangster.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Did he say yes, Yes, he said Cassie was traded.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
And this is right after he was referring to her
juggling two or three at a time.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Cassie was gangster.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
She didn't care.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
I mean, I guess I don't want to sound jez.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
There's nothing wrong with this. This is a woman that
liked sex. She liked it, she was in control, he
knew what he wanted.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
It was back to back to back grossness.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
And again, I can understand if the prosecution had not
done such a great job with their closing arguments, maybe
you could have skated by. But it was night and
day and it really made a jury in my mind,
saying who side are you on? And where are you
going to draw the line at where you see victims?
Speaker 4 (06:44):
It was very startling.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
So let me understand this.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
The white bread boy from law school called the rape
victims gangster?
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Did I just hear that?
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (06:56):
And again it sounded just as cheesy Eric Corney, and
like a load of bricks, But he still did it,
and it made me think, was did he involved in
that closing argument? Was he giving him notes about no colors?
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Straight?
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Gangster?
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Again?
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Maybe right, message, wrong, Messenger. That was a very cringe moment.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
You know, as soon as it came out of Mark's mouth,
you could tell he just wanted to make that go
away and just move on to the next point.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Okay, joining me, Rob Shooter. He is a host of
naughty but nice podcasts and you can find him at
Rob Shooter in a shut er, not Bang Bang Shooter,
robshooter dot substack dot com.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Former publicist for Sean comes.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Okay, I'm just trying to get that mental picture of Agnifilo,
the whitebread boy from law school, fixing his mouth to
call the rape victims gangster. And they could take it
that Cassie could juggle two to three men at a time.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
You're the pr guru. I bet that Phil flat.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
Worse than that. Nancy has absolutely tone deaf. I'm shocked
that did. He's paying good money for this legal team
and did he is a perfectionist, at least when I
worked with him. He certainly likes to win and have
things his own way. I can't believe that this is
the argument that they're using, that he's allowing them to use,
that he's not objecting to it. He has made a
(08:22):
living for twenty years really really understanding what the audience wants.
And I know he's looking at that jury like an audience.
He's been on stage and he knows what it's like
to lose an audience. He's played the garden, some of
the biggest venues in the world. Now he's sitting in
this courtroom and he can tell he's a professional at this, Nancy.
(08:43):
He can tell that this just is not working. I
am so surprised that they are doing this, and I'm
even more surprised that did he hasn't at least tried
to correct this ship. It's a bad, bad look.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yeah. And here's the thing, Shooter.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Once you commit to the lawyer that's going to deliver
the closings, you're stuck. You could have a fleet five seven,
eight lawyers like the defense has, but only one lawyer
is tasked can be tasked with delivering closing statements.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
If you'll think back to the Alex.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Murdock double murder trial where he was charged and convicted
of murdering his wife Maggie and son Paul. They wanted
to split that up so the good old boy could
start Hartpootlian.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
The closings and then bring on a younger and more.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Spry lawyer to hit the facts. No, that was not allowed.
There is a reason only one lawyer can give openings
and closings. And they picked Agnifilo. I told them at
the get go, do not do that. After his disastrous
softball interview with Harvey Levin about the baby oil it
(09:51):
was cringey right way cringe. He was not fit to
do closings. He may be illegal mastermind, but no, Oh
they had Steel, an excellent lawyer, just got young Fergoff.
They have tiny Girrigoss, daughter of Mark Gerrio's great lawyer.
But no, they picked him. That was Diddy's decision. Do
(10:15):
you agree or disagree there? Any way? It was anyone's decision.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
But Sean Combs is no way, one hundred percent his decision.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
And not only will he be deciding which lawyer to pick,
he'll want to know the outline of the closing statements
they're going to make. He's a total control for it.
Let me give you an example, Nancy. When I was
working with him twenty years ago, we were at Good
Morning America and everybody in the crowd was white, and
(10:43):
did he know that this was a bad look? And
he turned to me and said, where are the people
of color? And there were some people there. They were
at the back, they were moved to the front. Did
he notice this in did his concerts? Did he make
sure that when the camera shoots people in the audience,
it's people of color people, it's pretty people. So he
knows image better than anybody else in that courtroom, and
(11:06):
I'm shocked that he's allowing this to happen.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Not good.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
And of course we've had fifty fifty fifty cents way
in on the closing arguments, but very quickly, I want
everybody to hear I got a ton of these man
on the streets about the outcome of the trial.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Listen to this. We're all my.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Blogger, reporters, anyone content creators that have questions for this man.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
He will be home soon. You heard it here first
on EBTV.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
That's from Arispoto on TikTok Okay. So word on the
street is that he's.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Going to walk. Okay, I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Tisa tells what's the word in the courthouse, Because I
tell you, who knows what's going to happen. The bailiffs,
they always know, they know exactly what's going down. So
what's the worry of Tisa tells.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
The word for the corporam is people are not expecting
Diddy to walk. They are expecting for the verdict to
come in before July third. They think the jury's going
to want to take their holiday weekend. But they are
not expecting Diddy to walk. And oddly enough, also a
lot of people in the court that worked there seemed
to be very very kind of thrown off two with
(12:20):
the question of Mark agnfilial and what he was saying
tu Rock's point where he says he doesn't know why.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Did he did?
Speaker 5 (12:27):
There was something in the middle of closing arguments when
after Mark Nott admonished by the judge, when he came back,
did he had a huddle?
Speaker 4 (12:36):
He was bad, he was upset. He literally stood over.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
Them like a general a quietly barking orders at them
and Mark with to the jury and then started.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Saying all these nonsensical things.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
I actually think that did He's the one putting them
up to have a man clost the sixties screaming she
was straight gangster in the courtroom.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
I actually think didt He's the one.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
That had him make the argument of he he's a
better father to Jane's child than the own father because
he's paying friends. I think Diddy was behind that for
some reason. He wanted to get those looks in and
he thinks that it's.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Going to win with the jersey.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Okay, you need to to just hold on backtrack because
I made every single detail taste of tales. When was
Sean Combe's standing like the coach of the football team,
barking orders, But he can't bark him too loud because
everybody in the courtroom will hear it.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I got to hear the whole thing slowly. I'm on
every detail.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
So you see Diddy in the courtroom and when I
say barking orders and this goes to Ditty's mindset. Of course,
he wasn't screaming in the courtroom. He was very quiet.
How do we know he was barking because of his
body language. He sat there like a general like the
Holly and looking at a map of Europe with his
hands on the defense tables.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Stand up, standing up. We were just coming back from
a break Diddy's team at Nolan.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
They had gone too far and they had accused the
government of acting improper. The judge said he was going
to issue a curative instruction saying say that anymore and disregard.
When they came back, he made sure he could have
did it in the back room. He made sure the
stand there like napoleons, his fingers spread of standing up
leaning over the defense desk with his band of loyal followers.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
His defense team.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
Leaned and close, and he made sure by his body
movement that we knew and his body language that we
knew that he was whispering intently reading his team.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
A new one. And then they were going back and forth.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
It looked like they were trying to talk, since to
them he was still like letting his body language do
the talking. Again, he wanted to let us know that
he wasn't happy with his lawyers, which is a very
very weird thing. And after that, Mark Agnefiliel, when he
started his closing again after Freak, he said, before we
move on, I want to bring up a few issues
that I don't think I touched him before, and I said,
(14:52):
there you go, there you go. This is what did
he wanted us to know? Apparently did he wants us
to know the but if Cassie is, if we believe
that Cassie is, in his words, a loose woman, an
unclean woman.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
If we know that he was a better father to.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
Jane's child than even James's own baby's father because he
was paying the rent, then somehow we're.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Going to let it go. He wanted us to know
that it was.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
Unclear, okay, that it was unclear in the video who
the aggressor was.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Could have been her, could have been him, Maybe it
was him. Let's take a look at the evidence and
see what you find.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
Again, these were the nonsensical arguments, and again Mark scene after.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
Did he read them a new one to lose his stem?
And just it was a weird energy coming off.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
He kept seeing like he was trying to recover, and
he kept going a little bit too far, So I
think did he's the one pushing these narratives.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoe Ala, was joining us out of La,
author of deal Breaker.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
You can see her on Peacock and find her online
at dr Bethany Marshall dot com. In a nutshell that
people actually still say that, and I can't believe that
Agnifilo would actually say.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
That to Journey full of women loosemen.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
They may not say loose woman, Nancy, but The implication
that if a woman is sexual, she's dirty or bad
or sinful is still pervasive in our society. And this
is why women who are sex trafficked do not have
the protections that they should have. Men are allowed to
be sexual, women are not. It is pervasive in our society.
And this is what we see with p Diddy all
(16:25):
throughout this case. And you know this, leaning against the
defense desk, his fingers bread like Napoleon. He's trying to
intimidate his attorneys and they are full grown men. Imagine
what he did in private with these victims. If he's
doing this in court in front of everybody, including the jurors.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
We are live at the courthouse standing by Tisa Tail's
star off Tasa Tales on YouTube.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Tisa aside from saying.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Let me, I've just had to make a flowshot chart
that the alligied rate victim is gangsta, that she could
easily take on two or three men at a time
and juggle them, I assume that means pulling a train
in legal terms, calling her a loose woman, and all
of the charges just quote homemade porn. I understand that
(17:11):
Shawn Kamm's son had to be taken out, well, escorted
out of the courtroom by bailiffs.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
What happened, well happly enough.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
When he was first escorted out, I assumed that it
was something to do with a bathroom break or he
felt sick. However he was really he was wearing a
T shirt that said free Didty.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
And of course they have made it illegal in.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
The courtroom to have anything that shows support or not
support for Didty. And it makes me wonder because I
still think Diddy is running the whole show. The fact
that you had to put your child up to that
because they knew the rules, and even at this critical
point where you need the jury to feel sorry for you,
you need the court, through the judge by the way
(17:53):
it's going to sentence her father, to think that you
guys were all law abiding with a healthy.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Respect for the law.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
And the fact that you would take that moment to
do a stunt queen antic to say free Diddy and
you had to be escorted out of court.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Again, it makes you think about their minds.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
I feel like they're living in delusion land, the followers
and even their son that would even put their dad
in the situation.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
But again, I think this is all flowing from the top.
This is diddy.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
They had Sean Combs dressed up like a Harvard freshman
again in court today, wearing his usual cream colored sweater.
But I heard that throughout the judge's instructions very often
he had his head down.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Why what was happening when he had his.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Head down for some reason? Here's the thing. He had
his head down.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
I get what he was going for. He was trying
to look contrite. He wants the jury to feel sorry
for him. But I will say his messaging in his body.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Language has been very off.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
In his head, I think he's that young, strightly twenty
five year old that can, you know, shake hands, kiss babies,
and charm the ladies.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
I don't think he realizes that he comes across a
little creepy in court. So he has his head down.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
It looks like, I get it, you're trying to look sad,
But are you going to sleep?
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Hello? Are you up?
Speaker 1 (19:14):
When he's sitting.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Here trying to look contrite, he looks like somebody's grandfather,
trying to look like a three year old. Even when
you look at his body language. Dressed like a Harvard
law student, always a fresh haircut, but his hair is gray, which, again,
where are you going with the image. I would think
that if you are being accused of making these women
do freak golfs and it's something you do to pretty
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your lover, you won't want to look as young and
handsome as possible to make it seem like these girls
could actually be attracted to you without coercion.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
That is not the case.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
So again it's just another mysfire. And did he thinking
he knows more than anything? Now that said, like Rob said,
he's made a He's made a whole career out of
reading people.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
So maybe he sees something on the jury that we don't.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Okay, Rob Shooter joining us a host of Naughty but
Nice podcast.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Rob Shooter, you know if he walks, the first place.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
He's going is to the Dwayne Reid or the CBS
right around the corner from the courthouse. Actually, he would
send a minion to do with He wouldn't do it
himself and take back up on just for a men,
This whole gray hair act, you know, he's doing that
on purpose to make himself look frail and pitiful in
front of the jury, not like a guy that could
(20:40):
beat Cassie Ventira's rear end on video, dragging her up
and down the hall, and as was pointed out last week,
holding on. He hadn't mind beating her with one hand.
But one thing he did hold on to he did
was hold onto that towel, so this wouldn't show.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Okay, did let let me see that video one more time? Please?
Speaker 2 (21:00):
No matter what he did, you know he did the
all star punting kicks. He came running down the hall.
Look at that, grabbing her, grabbing her stuff out. Okay,
I never get past those kicks while she's laying there
act playing dead.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
But he never lets go of the towel.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
And many people have suggested is because at all costs
he doesn't want.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
The cameras to pick up on this. Okay, So, Vanity,
thy name is Diddy.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
I think that's a beautiful, very very smart way of
really summarizing who he is. Nancy. He always is thinking
about image. He's always thinking about himself. He's always thinking
about the way he can sell something.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Let's be really.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
Clear here, Puffy is not a star because he's a
great rapper, a great singer, a great actor, a great dancer. No,
he's a great pr guy. He's a great mark getting guy,
and so I would imagine he was pretty angry with
his son for wearing that T shirt because it's the
opposite thing to what did he has been projecting portraying
in the court. So I would imagine was not that
(22:12):
happy about that. But I do think here it would
be so easy and a mistake for us all to
believe that this is over. The word that I'm hearing
not in the courtroom but on the street in the
music business is they're all expecting him to be home really,
really soon, and so you've got to take that into
(22:33):
account too. It's very easy to get into this bubble
where the evidence is so strong and what should happen
is what we want to happen. But often that isn't
the case, particularly when a marketing manipulative person is involved.
And did is that?
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Let me ask you, this shooter, the stories, the true
stories that you have told about Sean Colmbs manipulating the
press and other people. And you were there to hear
every directive, every order he gave, from what seat he
wanted in the expensive restaurant to how he wanted to
be videoed as he mounted his private plane, you name it.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
What directives do you believe he.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Has told his team to execute during closing arguments? And
how has he orchestrated the courtroom everything from where his
family sits and they've been in the courtroom all day
long during these charges, and that's not an easy thing
to listen to, by the way, during the trial, when
they would get up and get down, which as you know,
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causes a stir in the courtroom when a family member
leaves or comes back, you know, that was all orchestrated.
What they were wearing, what he's wearing, what his lawyers
are wearing, where they sit, how they look at the jury.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Everything is orchestrated down to a t. Explain.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
That's what he has done for his life, and that's
what's made him a really, really big star. The conflict
that he has is that he has been portraying himself
as quite a humble, gray haired, maybe now middle aged
gentleman who couldn't possibly do these awful things. And so
I think he's done a somewhat convincing job of that. However,
(24:20):
the real Diddy there he is is a fighter, and
he loves a fight, and if you come at him,
he's going to punch you back. And so these closing
arguments are typical Diddy. If you remember, before that tape
was released, that horrific tape you just showed us, Nancy,
Before that tape was released, his instinct was to punch
Cassie and to say she's a gold digger, she's after
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my money. And many people, at least in the rap
community believe that until we saw this tape. So I
think once again now is reverting back to his natural instincts,
which is to attack the victim, to make Cassie look
like a woman who might have had different types of judgment.
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I'm not sure it's going to work, Nancy, but I
do know there is quite a large population, quite a
large demographic, who do believe this.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
To you, Tisa Tails joining us outside the Manhan Federal Courthouse.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
As we wait on a verdict.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
The family there throughout those very long and extensive jury instructions. Today,
jury instructions are with the judge verbatim reads the law,
and there were hundreds of pages of law to read.
But the family sat through the whole thing. Describe what
was happening in the courtroom.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
What was happening in the courtroom was to Rob's point,
did you every morning he does come out the door
like a celebrity. He walked in, he paused, almost like
he expected everyone to take pictures and whatnot.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
This is maybe eight feet he has to walk. He
walked to the side. He did his smile, He did
the love.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
He blew kisses at his family, told his daughters he
loved them, mouthed I love you, and then said nodding, nodding,
nodding because he remembered he's supposed to be.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
A frail old man.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
He forget sometimes and then he solely SLINKs and stinks
into his chair. The whole time the judge was reading
the jury instructions, Diddy was looking down. Sometimes he tried
to look straight, then he would get bored and he
would look down again. But the family, with each jury
instruction that was read off, the family kept getting more
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and more uncomfortable. At what point when they talked about
what it is to move prostitution across state lines, the
daughters looked at each other. It's always the twins, and
then the one little girl is in between them.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
They all looked at each other their physicality.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
Again, I get what Robs saying, a lot of people
in Diddy's camp think he's coming home.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
But these are the same people that thought that he'd
never get arrested.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
These are the same people that thought there was never
going to be a jarring jury investigation. These are the
same people that thought his house was never going to
be rid. Why do I bring that up because I
feel like the kids are right there in delusional land.
But it was so interesting to see that with each
jury instruction, the family got more and more uncomfortable, and
they looked more and more nervous because as much as
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you try to spend this, the law is the law,
and maybe he won't be convicted of everything, but there
are certain things that when they read out, everybody knows.
The prosecution proved back on their second, third, fourth day.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Again, some facts are just facts.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
And I think the kids they're getting a docal reality
when they're in the courtroom.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
He is dragging the state star witness through the mud.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
So she's painting her to be this cheer, this liar,
this betrayer.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
Very nineteen sixties coded misogyny.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Here's the law.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
There you go, there's all the love of Agnifolo is
talking about enclosing statements.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
She was no angel. He even accused Cassie of.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
Saying she was raped because she was dating her husband,
or is Marth like.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
To put it, the oldest chick in the book. They
were looking at him like he was crazy. One person
had a look of disbelief. It was like a bomb
went off.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Tasa Tels Outside the Courthouse has just reported that inside
the courthouse, the word is did He's going down? But
not everybody agrees.
Speaker 7 (28:19):
There's no drug possession charges, there's no like assault.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
There's not really charges that you can say.
Speaker 7 (28:27):
Well, you know, I don't want to send him to
prison for fifteen years, but I don't like him and
he's a bad person, so let's convict him of this
and he'll get a couple of.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Years, which is very often what juries do. True.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
He may be no legal scholar, that's from our prophet
on TikTok, but that's the point. This case is not
being determined or judged by legal scholars. Is being judged
by twelve jurors joining me. In addition to Tasa Tales
Outside the Courthouse and All Star Panelts go straight out
to Eric Fattus, joining us veteran troial lawyer and founding
(29:04):
partner Varner Fattus elite legal Eric. While we may think
the state has proven its case, it's really up to
the jury. And I mean the Vegas odds are fifty
to fifty right now, and I think that may reflect
what's going on. So just because the climate inside the
(29:28):
courthouse is conviction oriented, Remember you're surrounded by bailiffs. Everybody
in the courthouse, many of them work for the state,
that doesn't mean that's the slant the jury's taking fattest.
Speaker 8 (29:42):
In fact, getting these takes you from the street and
from folks on YouTube. That could be a better glipse
into how these laid jurors are actually seeing this case. Look,
this is an uphill battle. It's not a slam dunk
by any means. We're talking about allegations over the course
of decades. There are all these moving parts, thirty four
different witnesses, conflicting evidence, credibility issues. When you put all
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of that together, it's difficult to meet that burden of
proof beyond a reasonable doubt, which is the highest burden
in the justice system.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Right now, we know Shawn Combs has been sweating bullets
in the courtroom all day continuously looking over at the jury,
darting his gaze over at them throughout the judge's instructions.
Joining me, Danny Pinter, Senior VP and Director of the
Law Center at the National Center on Sexual Exploitation.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Danny, when you hear phrase.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Is like, oh, she was gangster, straight up, she could
take on two three men at a time.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
She was a quote loose woman. She got paid. And
another moment, Agniffolo said he hit her twice, referring to
I believe that was Jane. He only hit her twice.
That's the defense.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Yeah, I found it honestly disgusting, and I hope the
jury does too.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
I think it was weak and unpersuasive.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
And the defense went too far.
Speaker 9 (31:16):
The jury has to contend with the facts, which I think,
you know, as a legal expert, I think they do.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
The prosecution met their burden.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
But what story is the jury going to believe? And
does the defense really think the jury is going to believe.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
The story that Cassie Ventura had all the power.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
And it Diddy is the victim.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
I don't think anyone's buying.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Joining me now, Robert Crispin PI at Crispin Special Investigations.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
But for our purposes former Federal.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Task Force Officer U. S. D oj deea Miami Field
Division former homicide from My Purposes Tonight, former vice and
you can find him at Crispininvestigations dot com. Robert the
Robber hits Now it's go time. The evidence is in,
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the witnesses are gone. All that's left are the lawyers,
the judge, Diddy and the jury.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Throughout the day, I believe we saw a.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Different Diddy, cautiously furtively glancing at the jury, darting his
eyes back and forth as those jury instructions were read.
I know the feeling because throughout a jury trial, I
would watch the judge, the witness, the jury, witness, jury, witness, jury.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
It's like a tennis match and you can't say anything.
You can only.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Watch and observe, make notes throughout the jury instructures. Today,
Sean Combe's sweating bullets.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
I think now Crispin's hitting.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Home and you've seen it a million times. It's all
big talk. Bravado. She is at She is.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
A quote loose woman.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
She straight up gangst believe white Red Agniffolo fixed his
mouth to say Cassie's gangst.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Oh okay, that was way cringing.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
But now it's down to it and Comb's is sitting
there staring at the jury.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
You've seen it happen a million times.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Yeah, listen, this is good. This is gonna be tough
for both sides.
Speaker 10 (33:19):
You know, the government's going to sit back and they're
going to wonder, did we do this right? The defense
is going to look back and say, did we say
the right thing in closing to put that reasonable doubt
just in one juur, just at one juror did I
do that?
Speaker 11 (33:33):
Did I get that out there?
Speaker 10 (33:35):
And Diddy's realizing that federal court is no joke.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Federal Court is the real deal.
Speaker 11 (33:40):
And you know the videos, the electronic evidence, the witness testimony.
It all comes down to these people sitting in the
jury boxing, going back and thinking everything through and coming
up whether guilty or not guilty, and do they understand
the injury instructions? Those jury and stress are pretty intense,
(34:01):
especially the RICO and the racketeering, those are pretty intense. However,
what's going to be interesting is what are the questions
that are going to come out from the jury that
kind of gives us a telltale sign of where they're going.
What are they thinking what's the question. Why are they
asking this question about a certain piece of evidence? So
as time goes and ticks.
Speaker 10 (34:21):
Away, we're going to kind of have a little bit
more idea once one of those questions start coming in,
or two questions.
Speaker 11 (34:29):
This is a bad day for Diddy because I think
through all his testimony and making contact with the jury
and smiling, complimenting the judge and sitting back and leaning
forward and back in his chair.
Speaker 10 (34:42):
Like he's a badass, that's different.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
Today. His life is in the balance.
Speaker 10 (34:47):
He is about to, if.
Speaker 11 (34:49):
Found guilty, go to prison for the rest of his life.
That's a big pill to swallow.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Rob Shooter joining me hosted a naughty but Nice podcast
and you can find him at a substack. Rob the
daughters who have had to leave court several times in
tears during the testimony, that's a whole other can of
Worm's why he had his daughters and children in there
listening to the worst of the worst from the state.
They all dressed in black today, And I remember prosecuting.
(35:19):
I never wore like red, yellow, vibrant orange because the
cases I prosecuted were all violent felonies, and it just
seemed wrong. It just seemed inappropriate, and so it's a
very solemn note. And you know that did he orchestrated
right down to what they were wearing.
Speaker 6 (35:39):
Yeah, I think you're right, Nancy. What I will say
though here is that there's a little bit of performance
going on to with the kids. I don't want to
go after someone's kids for their parents' crimes, but it
has been on Dieted that public kids have had a
really amazing life because of their dad and because of
what their dad do and does and who they're d is.
(36:00):
These are not the von Trapp family. They have seen
a lot. These kids have been around his parties, they've
been around.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
The von Trapp family.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Did you just you're you're talking about what the seven
children of.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Excuse me?
Speaker 2 (36:19):
And sound of music that would put on those frogs
and seeing and the family music. First of all, yeah, no,
the von Traps, they ain't.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
That's true.
Speaker 6 (36:29):
Go ahead, they ain't that. This is a family that
has been around money, power, fame, celebrities, sex violence. They've
heard their dad songs, they've wrapped along to other rap artists.
These are very aggressive lifestyles and they were born into
this lifestyle. So they're really used to seeing hearing and
(36:53):
maybe even participating in some very very very what we
would consider strange scenes, strange environments. So I wouldn't feel
too bad for the kids here. I think that they're
part of the Combes family. It's a deal that maybe
they didn't want to make, they had no choice in it,
but they've been born into this lifestyle and they have
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benefited from their dad's success for his money.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
You know, I'm very surprised you brought up the von
Trapp family. Weren't they raised by a nun sister Maria
remember her aka Julie Andrews. Okay, these children have not
been raised by a nun. Okay, but following up on
what you said to me, doctor Bethany Marshall, that makes
me feel for these children even more so because they.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Never had what I had.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Of course, I grew up on a red dirt road,
drinking water from well my grandfather dug in the backyard.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Okay, but you know what I did have.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
I had a mother that took care of me and
a father. Both of them worked all day into the night,
came home, had we with us, and they were there
for me. I mean, it ain't easy for my dad
to work on the railroad and my mom to work.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
At a factory.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Right, but they did, but we had love. These children
never had that constant in their life. Now they're sitting
in their dad's felony trial. A lot of people have
asked me, Wow, how do you feel about Christian cons
putting you on a disc track. I didn't see it
that way at all. I didn't see it as a
disc at all. I saw it as an adult son
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trying to take up for his father. And I actually
feel bad that they're in that position.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
I need two, Nancy.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
They've been raised in a culture of sex, abuse of violence,
a culture of narcissism, guns, multiple mothers, house siblings. You know,
it's just a very confusing environment. And you know this
is going to be a therapeutic experience for them sitting
in court because they have to take in all kinds
of information about it.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
You lost your mind? Have you lost your mind?
Speaker 2 (39:00):
You're calling your father accused of sex trafficking therapeutic? Okay, yes,
I call You're out the Beverly Hills and I was
raised on a dirt road, But iin nothing therapeutic about
hearing the try about your father that he's tress.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
So I do, Nancy, because they have to be in reality.
They've been lived and they've been raised in an upside
down world. Listen to what Agnipolos said today. Okay, so
when he says that Cassie Ventura was just trying to
please her man, you know, just because your man wants
it and you don't, but you're going to do it
to make him happy. He's basically saying women need to
(39:37):
take it up.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
As an analyst, I hear all the metaphors. I help
those kids sitting in court carrying all this degradation of
women have a good therapist to talk to so they
can make sense of it, and all of this putting
women down because Cassie Ventura got twenty million dollars. You know,
with Michael Jackson when he paid his first victim thirty
(40:00):
million dollars, we didn't say that nine.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Year old was a gold digger.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
We said Michael Jackson must have done something.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Really, really bad if he paid out thirty million dollars
and all this money. I think it is because it's
because P Diddy really needs to cover his tracks.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Not everyone agrees with the Didty team.
Speaker 12 (40:21):
Listen, well, yours actually next week, we'll start deliberating. But
what they're going to remember is what happened at that
hotel right behind me.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Tell it man, that's from Oris Apato at TikTok straight
out to the courthouse to Sydney Sumner Crime Story's investigative reporter,
what happened.
Speaker 9 (40:44):
Judge Supermanian wrapped up jury instructions and sent the five
alternates home, of course, reminding them to stay by their
phones and stay off social media on the chance they
may be called up to the final jury. Now, the
final jury was sent off to begin to live. They
needed to choose a four person before they got any
further into their discussions, and that decision was made pretty quickly.
(41:07):
Juror number five selected as the jury four person. Now,
with the jury out of the room, Judge supermani and
did stop to congratulate both the prosecutors and the defense
on a case well tried and well defended before Sean
Colmes was sent off to his holding cell. Colmes was
allowed to bring a book with him and he will
remain in that cell until the jury ends their deliberations
(41:30):
for the day or comes back with a verdict, and
that could be after five pm. Supermani and left their
schedule up to the jurors. As Colmes was led away
from the courtroom, his family all stood, they were holding hands,
their heads were bowed, and when Judge Supermani and got
off the bench, they actually started clapping before they made
their own way out of the courtroom. Now it wasn't
(41:51):
long before we heard some movement from the jury. They
actually passed a note to the judge and it expressed
concern over one of the jurors on this final panel.
They were afraid that Juror number twenty five cannot follow
the instructions that Judge Supermanian gave them. So it's unclear
exactly what happened in that deliberation room, but there's apparently
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already some dissonance back there. Ultimately, Judge Supermanian didn't make
any move to have some kind of confrontation with Juror
twenty five, sending a note back that just said, you've
heard my instructions, you need to follow them. That's the
duty that you were charged with.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
What will the jury do?
Speaker 2 (42:30):
We are in a verdict watch and now we remember
an American hero officer, Jacob Chaffin's Prestonburg PD just twenty eight,
shot in the line of duty after three years with
l E. Lee's behind, wife Savannah, and daughter Paisley. American
Hero officer Jacob Chaffins, Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend
Speaker 11 (43:00):
Y.
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
We are on a verdict watch here a crime story.
That's right, it's the Diddy Verdict Watch. Now the defense
has claimed to the jury with a straight face that
those violent attacks some caught on video are all.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Just homemade porn okay.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
During the Diddy Verdict Watch, it has promulgated outside the courthouse.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
There are t shirts for sale.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Vegas bents through the roof, tarot card predictions. But it
all boils down to what twelve individuals believe. I'm Nancy Grace.
This is crime Stories. I want to thank you for
being with us. Sean Kimes walking into the courtroom, all
Na must.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Stay what what well?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Whoa whoa wo what a yoga zen thing.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Greeting his lawyers with a yoga studio, asked about.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Namastay my career end.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
This is horrific that he's allowed to walk into court
an easy's being well, cute and calm.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
He can Noma stay his way all the way to
the MDC.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
He wasn't all Noma stay in the middle of all
these free costs. He can chill out behind bars for
the rest of his life for all I care. After
bombshell closing, statements. The judge charged the jury throughout the morning,
and we are in a verdict. Watch here at Crime
Stories as we wait for the show incomes verdict to
(01:30):
be handed down by a jury of twelve. Joining us
now outside the Monahan Federal Courthouse. Tisa Tail's host of
Tisa Tales on YouTube, Tisa thank you for being with us.
What happened in court today?
Speaker 4 (01:43):
In court, Mark Agnefilio came in like.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
He had had the worst news delivered to He was
in walking around purl Brow, going in and out.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Nobody knows what happened.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
However, the jury got the instructions, and something's telling me
that a strawberry lemonade defense might be falling apart.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Before it even had a chance to take hold.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Okay, for those that don't know about the strawberry lemonade defense,
among so many other defenses such as it was just
homemade porn. Really okay? Does that include the Castiventior beat
down video that said strawberry lemonade explain this really took
the cake.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Strawberry leiminade defense is something I hope I never hear again.
I will never be able to look at Country Time
eliminade again.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Mark Agnofilio started off by saying, you know, it's like
when you're a partner. Sometimes they like it, but you
don't like.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
But you couldn't like what your partner likes because you
want to please them again. The jury and the galley
was looking like, sir, what are you talking about? He
looked like he was like, okay, too far. It's like
and then he immediately switched to it's like drinking strawberry lemonade.
Your partner might love it, you don't like it, but.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Over time you come to like it because you want
to please your partner again.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
And Mark Agnofilio was doing, I don't believe you're lying,
eyes and ears, just focus in on me. His wife
was in court and he said that this was he's
seen him his whole career, and this was the best
clothing he's ever seen him perform. And I gotta say,
if that was the best, I would hate to see
the worst.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
You know, Tisa tails.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Throughout the defense closing statement, we heard Agnifilo use one
old tired phrase after the next, such as she wanted it, uh,
she got paid, as if that's the defense to the beatings,
making a lot of comments about how much money Cassaventiro had,
(03:44):
how much money? He was referring to Jane Steele living in.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
The home that Diddy had paid for, on and on
with so many old, tired phrases.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I'm very curious at reflecting on really disdainful theories about
rape victims. I'm very curious how the jury was responding
to that.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
The funny thing is, I thought it was my imagination,
but I talked to a few people also that.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Were sitting on court. He lost the jury. He went
so far as to say, you want to talk about
old school rape theories? He said, and then he pulled
out the oldest trick in the book, him, read me,
and she said it just like that.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
The jury's eyes kind of looked like, what is going on?
He tried to apply Cassie was a minx that seduced
all these men. She was gangster, She could take two
or three men at a time. Cassie was a woman
that likes sex.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
It was so disgusting. And the funny thing is, and
I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
He came in really charming the jury, making jokes. But
once he started going into that old school misogyny, the
jury was termed off. And the thing is, he started
to seem like he was to get a little nervous.
It's almost like he realized that he had.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Lost a jury. It was really startling to see.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Okay, let me understand what you just said. Tisa Tales.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Everyone Tasta Tales from Tisa Tales on YouTube joining us
outside the courthouse. And what a day it has been
in the courtroom. We'll get into jury instructions in just
a moment. But did you say that Agnifilo, the lead
defense attorney, stated that Cassie was gangster and that she
was fine to take two to three men at once.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
He said that.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
What he actually said was she juggled them two three
at a time.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
But Nancy, you hit it on the head, that inference,
that little sly growth thought he was trying to plant
in the jury's head two to three. Let's not forget
what she was getting the trend on her. It was
two or three people. It was disgusting to see what
he was doing. And that inference that you picked up
on was not lost on the jury. He lost them
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with that old school misogyny.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
It was too much.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
It was too much.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Okay, wait a minute, did he act she say the
word gangster.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Did he say yes, Yes, he said Cassie was traded.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
And this is right after he was referring to her
juggling two or three at a time.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Cassie was gangster.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
She didn't care.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
I mean, I guess I don't want to sound jez.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
There's nothing wrong with this. This is a woman that
liked sex. She liked it, she was in control, he
knew what he wanted.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
It was back to back to back grossness.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
And again, I can understand if the prosecution had not
done such a great job with their closing arguments, maybe
you could have skated by. But it was night and
day and it really made a jury in my mind,
saying who side are you on? And where are you
going to draw the line at where you see victims?
Speaker 4 (06:44):
It was very startling.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
So let me understand this.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
The white bread boy from law school called the rape
victims gangster?
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Did I just hear that?
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (06:56):
And again it sounded just as cheesy Eric Corney, and
like a load of bricks, But he still did it,
and it made me think, was did he involved in
that closing argument? Was he giving him notes about no colors?
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Straight?
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Gangster?
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Again?
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Maybe right, message, wrong, Messenger. That was a very cringe moment.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
You know, as soon as it came out of Mark's mouth,
you could tell he just wanted to make that go
away and just move on to the next point.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Okay, joining me, Rob Shooter. He is a host of
naughty but nice podcasts and you can find him at
Rob Shooter in a shut er, not Bang Bang Shooter,
robshooter dot substack dot com.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Former publicist for Sean comes.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Okay, I'm just trying to get that mental picture of Agnifilo,
the whitebread boy from law school, fixing his mouth to
call the rape victims gangster. And they could take it
that Cassie could juggle two to three men at a time.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
You're the pr guru. I bet that Phil flat.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
Worse than that. Nancy has absolutely tone deaf. I'm shocked
that did. He's paying good money for this legal team
and did he is a perfectionist, at least when I
worked with him. He certainly likes to win and have
things his own way. I can't believe that this is
the argument that they're using, that he's allowing them to use,
that he's not objecting to it. He has made a
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living for twenty years really really understanding what the audience wants.
And I know he's looking at that jury like an audience.
He's been on stage and he knows what it's like
to lose an audience. He's played the garden, some of
the biggest venues in the world. Now he's sitting in
this courtroom and he can tell he's a professional at this, Nancy.
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He can tell that this just is not working. I
am so surprised that they are doing this, and I'm
even more surprised that did he hasn't at least tried
to correct this ship. It's a bad, bad look.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yeah. And here's the thing, Shooter.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Once you commit to the lawyer that's going to deliver
the closings, you're stuck. You could have a fleet five seven,
eight lawyers like the defense has, but only one lawyer
is tasked can be tasked with delivering closing statements.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
If you'll think back to the Alex.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Murdock double murder trial where he was charged and convicted
of murdering his wife Maggie and son Paul. They wanted
to split that up so the good old boy could
start Hartpootlian.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
The closings and then bring on a younger and more.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Spry lawyer to hit the facts. No, that was not allowed.
There is a reason only one lawyer can give openings
and closings. And they picked Agnifilo. I told them at
the get go, do not do that. After his disastrous
softball interview with Harvey Levin about the baby oil it
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was cringey right way cringe. He was not fit to
do closings. He may be illegal mastermind, but no, Oh
they had Steel, an excellent lawyer, just got young Fergoff.
They have tiny Girrigoss, daughter of Mark Gerrio's great lawyer.
But no, they picked him. That was Diddy's decision. Do
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you agree or disagree there? Any way? It was anyone's decision.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
But Sean Combs is no way, one hundred percent his decision.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
And not only will he be deciding which lawyer to pick,
he'll want to know the outline of the closing statements
they're going to make. He's a total control for it.
Let me give you an example, Nancy. When I was
working with him twenty years ago, we were at Good
Morning America and everybody in the crowd was white, and
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did he know that this was a bad look? And
he turned to me and said, where are the people
of color? And there were some people there. They were
at the back, they were moved to the front. Did
he notice this in did his concerts? Did he make
sure that when the camera shoots people in the audience,
it's people of color people, it's pretty people. So he
knows image better than anybody else in that courtroom, and
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I'm shocked that he's allowing this to happen.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Not good.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
And of course we've had fifty fifty fifty cents way
in on the closing arguments, but very quickly, I want
everybody to hear I got a ton of these man
on the streets about the outcome of the trial.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Listen to this. We're all my.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Blogger, reporters, anyone content creators that have questions for this man.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
He will be home soon. You heard it here first
on EBTV.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
That's from Arispoto on TikTok Okay. So word on the
street is that he's.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Going to walk. Okay, I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Tisa tells what's the word in the courthouse, Because I
tell you, who knows what's going to happen. The bailiffs,
they always know, they know exactly what's going down. So
what's the worry of Tisa tells.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
The word for the corporam is people are not expecting
Diddy to walk. They are expecting for the verdict to
come in before July third. They think the jury's going
to want to take their holiday weekend. But they are
not expecting Diddy to walk. And oddly enough, also a
lot of people in the court that worked there seemed
to be very very kind of thrown off two with
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the question of Mark agnfilial and what he was saying
tu Rock's point where he says he doesn't know why.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Did he did?
Speaker 5 (12:27):
There was something in the middle of closing arguments when
after Mark Nott admonished by the judge, when he came back,
did he had a huddle?
Speaker 4 (12:36):
He was bad, he was upset. He literally stood over.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
Them like a general a quietly barking orders at them
and Mark with to the jury and then started.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Saying all these nonsensical things.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
I actually think that did He's the one putting them
up to have a man clost the sixties screaming she
was straight gangster in the courtroom.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
I actually think didt He's the one.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
That had him make the argument of he he's a
better father to Jane's child than the own father because
he's paying friends. I think Diddy was behind that for
some reason. He wanted to get those looks in and
he thinks that it's.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Going to win with the jersey.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Okay, you need to to just hold on backtrack because
I made every single detail taste of tales. When was
Sean Combe's standing like the coach of the football team,
barking orders, But he can't bark him too loud because
everybody in the courtroom will hear it.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I got to hear the whole thing slowly. I'm on
every detail.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
So you see Diddy in the courtroom and when I
say barking orders and this goes to Ditty's mindset. Of course,
he wasn't screaming in the courtroom. He was very quiet.
How do we know he was barking because of his
body language. He sat there like a general like the
Holly and looking at a map of Europe with his
hands on the defense tables.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Stand up, standing up. We were just coming back from
a break Diddy's team at Nolan.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
They had gone too far and they had accused the
government of acting improper. The judge said he was going
to issue a curative instruction saying say that anymore and disregard.
When they came back, he made sure he could have
did it in the back room. He made sure the
stand there like napoleons, his fingers spread of standing up
leaning over the defense desk with his band of loyal followers.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
His defense team.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
Leaned and close, and he made sure by his body
movement that we knew and his body language that we
knew that he was whispering intently reading his team.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
A new one. And then they were going back and forth.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
It looked like they were trying to talk, since to
them he was still like letting his body language do
the talking. Again, he wanted to let us know that
he wasn't happy with his lawyers, which is a very
very weird thing. And after that, Mark Agnefiliel, when he
started his closing again after Freak, he said, before we
move on, I want to bring up a few issues
that I don't think I touched him before, and I said,
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there you go, there you go. This is what did
he wanted us to know? Apparently did he wants us
to know the but if Cassie is, if we believe
that Cassie is, in his words, a loose woman, an
unclean woman.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
If we know that he was a better father to.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
Jane's child than even James's own baby's father because he
was paying the rent, then somehow we're.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Going to let it go. He wanted us to know
that it was.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
Unclear, okay, that it was unclear in the video who
the aggressor was.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Could have been her, could have been him, Maybe it
was him. Let's take a look at the evidence and
see what you find.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
Again, these were the nonsensical arguments, and again Mark scene after.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
Did he read them a new one to lose his stem?
And just it was a weird energy coming off.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
He kept seeing like he was trying to recover, and
he kept going a little bit too far, So I
think did he's the one pushing these narratives.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoe Ala, was joining us out of La,
author of deal Breaker.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
You can see her on Peacock and find her online
at dr Bethany Marshall dot com. In a nutshell that
people actually still say that, and I can't believe that
Agnifilo would actually say.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
That to Journey full of women loosemen.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
They may not say loose woman, Nancy, but The implication
that if a woman is sexual, she's dirty or bad
or sinful is still pervasive in our society. And this
is why women who are sex trafficked do not have
the protections that they should have. Men are allowed to
be sexual, women are not. It is pervasive in our society.
And this is what we see with p Diddy all
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throughout this case. And you know this, leaning against the
defense desk, his fingers bread like Napoleon. He's trying to
intimidate his attorneys and they are full grown men. Imagine
what he did in private with these victims. If he's
doing this in court in front of everybody, including the jurors.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
We are live at the courthouse standing by Tisa Tail's
star off Tasa Tales on YouTube.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Tisa aside from saying.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Let me, I've just had to make a flowshot chart
that the alligied rate victim is gangsta, that she could
easily take on two or three men at a time
and juggle them, I assume that means pulling a train
in legal terms, calling her a loose woman, and all
of the charges just quote homemade porn. I understand that
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Shawn Kamm's son had to be taken out, well, escorted
out of the courtroom by bailiffs.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
What happened, well happly enough.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
When he was first escorted out, I assumed that it
was something to do with a bathroom break or he
felt sick. However he was really he was wearing a
T shirt that said free Didty.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
And of course they have made it illegal in.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
The courtroom to have anything that shows support or not
support for Didty. And it makes me wonder because I
still think Diddy is running the whole show. The fact
that you had to put your child up to that
because they knew the rules, and even at this critical
point where you need the jury to feel sorry for you,
you need the court, through the judge by the way
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it's going to sentence her father, to think that you
guys were all law abiding with a healthy.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Respect for the law.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
And the fact that you would take that moment to
do a stunt queen antic to say free Diddy and
you had to be escorted out of court.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Again, it makes you think about their minds.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
I feel like they're living in delusion land, the followers
and even their son that would even put their dad
in the situation.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
But again, I think this is all flowing from the top.
This is diddy.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
They had Sean Combs dressed up like a Harvard freshman
again in court today, wearing his usual cream colored sweater.
But I heard that throughout the judge's instructions very often
he had his head down.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Why what was happening when he had his.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Head down for some reason? Here's the thing. He had
his head down.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
I get what he was going for. He was trying
to look contrite. He wants the jury to feel sorry
for him. But I will say his messaging in his body.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Language has been very off.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
In his head, I think he's that young, strightly twenty
five year old that can, you know, shake hands, kiss babies,
and charm the ladies.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
I don't think he realizes that he comes across a
little creepy in court. So he has his head down.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
It looks like, I get it, you're trying to look sad,
But are you going to sleep?
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Hello? Are you up?
Speaker 1 (19:14):
When he's sitting.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Here trying to look contrite, he looks like somebody's grandfather,
trying to look like a three year old. Even when
you look at his body language. Dressed like a Harvard
law student, always a fresh haircut, but his hair is gray, which, again,
where are you going with the image. I would think
that if you are being accused of making these women
do freak golfs and it's something you do to pretty
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your lover, you won't want to look as young and
handsome as possible to make it seem like these girls
could actually be attracted to you without coercion.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
That is not the case.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
So again it's just another mysfire. And did he thinking
he knows more than anything? Now that said, like Rob said,
he's made a He's made a whole career out of
reading people.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
So maybe he sees something on the jury that we don't.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Okay, Rob Shooter joining us a host of Naughty but
Nice podcast.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Rob Shooter, you know if he walks, the first place.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
He's going is to the Dwayne Reid or the CBS
right around the corner from the courthouse. Actually, he would
send a minion to do with He wouldn't do it
himself and take back up on just for a men,
This whole gray hair act, you know, he's doing that
on purpose to make himself look frail and pitiful in
front of the jury, not like a guy that could
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beat Cassie Ventira's rear end on video, dragging her up
and down the hall, and as was pointed out last week,
holding on. He hadn't mind beating her with one hand.
But one thing he did hold on to he did
was hold onto that towel, so this wouldn't show.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Okay, did let let me see that video one more time? Please?
Speaker 2 (21:00):
No matter what he did, you know he did the
all star punting kicks. He came running down the hall.
Look at that, grabbing her, grabbing her stuff out. Okay,
I never get past those kicks while she's laying there
act playing dead.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
But he never lets go of the towel.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
And many people have suggested is because at all costs
he doesn't want.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
The cameras to pick up on this. Okay, So, Vanity,
thy name is Diddy.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
I think that's a beautiful, very very smart way of
really summarizing who he is. Nancy. He always is thinking
about image. He's always thinking about himself. He's always thinking
about the way he can sell something.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Let's be really.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
Clear here, Puffy is not a star because he's a
great rapper, a great singer, a great actor, a great dancer. No,
he's a great pr guy. He's a great mark getting guy,
and so I would imagine he was pretty angry with
his son for wearing that T shirt because it's the
opposite thing to what did he has been projecting portraying
in the court. So I would imagine was not that
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happy about that. But I do think here it would
be so easy and a mistake for us all to
believe that this is over. The word that I'm hearing
not in the courtroom but on the street in the
music business is they're all expecting him to be home really,
really soon, and so you've got to take that into
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account too. It's very easy to get into this bubble
where the evidence is so strong and what should happen
is what we want to happen. But often that isn't
the case, particularly when a marketing manipulative person is involved.
And did is that?
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Let me ask you, this shooter, the stories, the true
stories that you have told about Sean Colmbs manipulating the
press and other people. And you were there to hear
every directive, every order he gave, from what seat he
wanted in the expensive restaurant to how he wanted to
be videoed as he mounted his private plane, you name it.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
What directives do you believe he.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Has told his team to execute during closing arguments? And
how has he orchestrated the courtroom everything from where his
family sits and they've been in the courtroom all day
long during these charges, and that's not an easy thing
to listen to, by the way, during the trial, when
they would get up and get down, which as you know,
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causes a stir in the courtroom when a family member
leaves or comes back, you know, that was all orchestrated.
What they were wearing, what he's wearing, what his lawyers
are wearing, where they sit, how they look at the jury.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Everything is orchestrated down to a t. Explain.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
That's what he has done for his life, and that's
what's made him a really, really big star. The conflict
that he has is that he has been portraying himself
as quite a humble, gray haired, maybe now middle aged
gentleman who couldn't possibly do these awful things. And so
I think he's done a somewhat convincing job of that. However,
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the real Diddy there he is is a fighter, and
he loves a fight, and if you come at him,
he's going to punch you back. And so these closing
arguments are typical Diddy. If you remember, before that tape
was released, that horrific tape you just showed us, Nancy,
Before that tape was released, his instinct was to punch
Cassie and to say she's a gold digger, she's after
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my money. And many people, at least in the rap
community believe that until we saw this tape. So I
think once again now is reverting back to his natural instincts,
which is to attack the victim, to make Cassie look
like a woman who might have had different types of judgment.
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I'm not sure it's going to work, Nancy, but I
do know there is quite a large population, quite a
large demographic, who do believe this.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
To you, Tisa Tails joining us outside the Manhan Federal Courthouse.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
As we wait on a verdict.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
The family there throughout those very long and extensive jury instructions. Today,
jury instructions are with the judge verbatim reads the law,
and there were hundreds of pages of law to read.
But the family sat through the whole thing. Describe what
was happening in the courtroom.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
What was happening in the courtroom was to Rob's point,
did you every morning he does come out the door
like a celebrity. He walked in, he paused, almost like
he expected everyone to take pictures and whatnot.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
This is maybe eight feet he has to walk. He
walked to the side. He did his smile, He did
the love.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
He blew kisses at his family, told his daughters he
loved them, mouthed I love you, and then said nodding, nodding,
nodding because he remembered he's supposed to be.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
A frail old man.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
He forget sometimes and then he solely SLINKs and stinks
into his chair. The whole time the judge was reading
the jury instructions, Diddy was looking down. Sometimes he tried
to look straight, then he would get bored and he
would look down again. But the family, with each jury
instruction that was read off, the family kept getting more
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and more uncomfortable. At what point when they talked about
what it is to move prostitution across state lines, the
daughters looked at each other. It's always the twins, and
then the one little girl is in between them.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
They all looked at each other their physicality.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
Again, I get what Robs saying, a lot of people
in Diddy's camp think he's coming home.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
But these are the same people that thought that he'd
never get arrested.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
These are the same people that thought there was never
going to be a jarring jury investigation. These are the
same people that thought his house was never going to
be rid. Why do I bring that up because I
feel like the kids are right there in delusional land.
But it was so interesting to see that with each
jury instruction, the family got more and more uncomfortable, and
they looked more and more nervous because as much as
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you try to spend this, the law is the law,
and maybe he won't be convicted of everything, but there
are certain things that when they read out, everybody knows.
The prosecution proved back on their second, third, fourth day.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Again, some facts are just facts.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
And I think the kids they're getting a docal reality
when they're in the courtroom.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
He is dragging the state star witness through the mud.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
So she's painting her to be this cheer, this liar,
this betrayer.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
Very nineteen sixties coded misogyny.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Here's the law.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
There you go, there's all the love of Agnifolo is
talking about enclosing statements.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
She was no angel. He even accused Cassie of.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
Saying she was raped because she was dating her husband,
or is Marth like.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
To put it, the oldest chick in the book. They
were looking at him like he was crazy. One person
had a look of disbelief. It was like a bomb
went off.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Tasa Tels Outside the Courthouse has just reported that inside
the courthouse, the word is did He's going down? But
not everybody agrees.
Speaker 7 (28:19):
There's no drug possession charges, there's no like assault.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
There's not really charges that you can say.
Speaker 7 (28:27):
Well, you know, I don't want to send him to
prison for fifteen years, but I don't like him and
he's a bad person, so let's convict him of this
and he'll get a couple of.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Years, which is very often what juries do. True.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
He may be no legal scholar, that's from our prophet
on TikTok, but that's the point. This case is not
being determined or judged by legal scholars. Is being judged
by twelve jurors joining me. In addition to Tasa Tales
Outside the Courthouse and All Star Panelts go straight out
to Eric Fattus, joining us veteran troial lawyer and founding
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partner Varner Fattus elite legal Eric. While we may think
the state has proven its case, it's really up to
the jury. And I mean the Vegas odds are fifty
to fifty right now, and I think that may reflect
what's going on. So just because the climate inside the
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courthouse is conviction oriented, Remember you're surrounded by bailiffs. Everybody
in the courthouse, many of them work for the state,
that doesn't mean that's the slant the jury's taking fattest.
Speaker 8 (29:42):
In fact, getting these takes you from the street and
from folks on YouTube. That could be a better glipse
into how these laid jurors are actually seeing this case. Look,
this is an uphill battle. It's not a slam dunk
by any means. We're talking about allegations over the course
of decades. There are all these moving parts, thirty four
different witnesses, conflicting evidence, credibility issues. When you put all
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of that together, it's difficult to meet that burden of
proof beyond a reasonable doubt, which is the highest burden
in the justice system.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Right now, we know Shawn Combs has been sweating bullets
in the courtroom all day continuously looking over at the jury,
darting his gaze over at them throughout the judge's instructions.
Joining me, Danny Pinter, Senior VP and Director of the
Law Center at the National Center on Sexual Exploitation.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Danny, when you hear phrase.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Is like, oh, she was gangster, straight up, she could
take on two three men at a time.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
She was a quote loose woman. She got paid. And
another moment, Agniffolo said he hit her twice, referring to
I believe that was Jane. He only hit her twice.
That's the defense.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Yeah, I found it honestly disgusting, and I hope the
jury does too.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
I think it was weak and unpersuasive.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
And the defense went too far.
Speaker 9 (31:16):
The jury has to contend with the facts, which I think,
you know, as a legal expert, I think they do.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
The prosecution met their burden.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
But what story is the jury going to believe? And
does the defense really think the jury is going to believe.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
The story that Cassie Ventura had all the power.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
And it Diddy is the victim.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
I don't think anyone's buying.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Joining me now, Robert Crispin PI at Crispin Special Investigations.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
But for our purposes former Federal.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Task Force Officer U. S. D oj deea Miami Field
Division former homicide from My Purposes Tonight, former vice and
you can find him at Crispininvestigations dot com. Robert the
Robber hits Now it's go time. The evidence is in,
(32:05):
the witnesses are gone. All that's left are the lawyers,
the judge, Diddy and the jury.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Throughout the day, I believe we saw a.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Different Diddy, cautiously furtively glancing at the jury, darting his
eyes back and forth as those jury instructions were read.
I know the feeling because throughout a jury trial, I
would watch the judge, the witness, the jury, witness, jury, witness, jury.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
It's like a tennis match and you can't say anything.
You can only.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Watch and observe, make notes throughout the jury instructures. Today,
Sean Combe's sweating bullets.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
I think now Crispin's hitting.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Home and you've seen it a million times. It's all
big talk. Bravado. She is at She is.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
A quote loose woman.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
She straight up gangst believe white Red Agniffolo fixed his
mouth to say Cassie's gangst.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Oh okay, that was way cringing.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
But now it's down to it and Comb's is sitting
there staring at the jury.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
You've seen it happen a million times.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Yeah, listen, this is good. This is gonna be tough
for both sides.
Speaker 10 (33:19):
You know, the government's going to sit back and they're
going to wonder, did we do this right? The defense
is going to look back and say, did we say
the right thing in closing to put that reasonable doubt
just in one juur, just at one juror did I
do that?
Speaker 11 (33:33):
Did I get that out there?
Speaker 10 (33:35):
And Diddy's realizing that federal court is no joke.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Federal Court is the real deal.
Speaker 11 (33:40):
And you know the videos, the electronic evidence, the witness testimony.
It all comes down to these people sitting in the
jury boxing, going back and thinking everything through and coming
up whether guilty or not guilty, and do they understand
the injury instructions? Those jury and stress are pretty intense,
(34:01):
especially the RICO and the racketeering, those are pretty intense. However,
what's going to be interesting is what are the questions
that are going to come out from the jury that
kind of gives us a telltale sign of where they're going.
What are they thinking what's the question. Why are they
asking this question about a certain piece of evidence? So
as time goes and ticks.
Speaker 10 (34:21):
Away, we're going to kind of have a little bit
more idea once one of those questions start coming in,
or two questions.
Speaker 11 (34:29):
This is a bad day for Diddy because I think
through all his testimony and making contact with the jury
and smiling, complimenting the judge and sitting back and leaning
forward and back in his chair.
Speaker 10 (34:42):
Like he's a badass, that's different.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
Today. His life is in the balance.
Speaker 10 (34:47):
He is about to, if.
Speaker 11 (34:49):
Found guilty, go to prison for the rest of his life.
That's a big pill to swallow.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Rob Shooter joining me hosted a naughty but Nice podcast
and you can find him at a substack. Rob the
daughters who have had to leave court several times in
tears during the testimony, that's a whole other can of
Worm's why he had his daughters and children in there
listening to the worst of the worst from the state.
They all dressed in black today, And I remember prosecuting.
(35:19):
I never wore like red, yellow, vibrant orange because the
cases I prosecuted were all violent felonies, and it just
seemed wrong. It just seemed inappropriate, and so it's a
very solemn note. And you know that did he orchestrated
right down to what they were wearing.
Speaker 6 (35:39):
Yeah, I think you're right, Nancy. What I will say
though here is that there's a little bit of performance
going on to with the kids. I don't want to
go after someone's kids for their parents' crimes, but it
has been on Dieted that public kids have had a
really amazing life because of their dad and because of
what their dad do and does and who they're d is.
(36:00):
These are not the von Trapp family. They have seen
a lot. These kids have been around his parties, they've
been around.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
The von Trapp family.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Did you just you're you're talking about what the seven
children of.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Excuse me?
Speaker 2 (36:19):
And sound of music that would put on those frogs
and seeing and the family music. First of all, yeah, no,
the von Traps, they ain't.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
That's true.
Speaker 6 (36:29):
Go ahead, they ain't that. This is a family that
has been around money, power, fame, celebrities, sex violence. They've
heard their dad songs, they've wrapped along to other rap artists.
These are very aggressive lifestyles and they were born into
this lifestyle. So they're really used to seeing hearing and
(36:53):
maybe even participating in some very very very what we
would consider strange scenes, strange environments. So I wouldn't feel
too bad for the kids here. I think that they're
part of the Combes family. It's a deal that maybe
they didn't want to make, they had no choice in it,
but they've been born into this lifestyle and they have
(37:13):
benefited from their dad's success for his money.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
You know, I'm very surprised you brought up the von
Trapp family. Weren't they raised by a nun sister Maria
remember her aka Julie Andrews. Okay, these children have not
been raised by a nun. Okay, but following up on
what you said to me, doctor Bethany Marshall, that makes
me feel for these children even more so because they.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Never had what I had.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Of course, I grew up on a red dirt road,
drinking water from well my grandfather dug in the backyard.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Okay, but you know what I did have.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
I had a mother that took care of me and
a father. Both of them worked all day into the night,
came home, had we with us, and they were there
for me. I mean, it ain't easy for my dad
to work on the railroad and my mom to work.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
At a factory.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Right, but they did, but we had love. These children
never had that constant in their life. Now they're sitting
in their dad's felony trial. A lot of people have
asked me, Wow, how do you feel about Christian cons
putting you on a disc track. I didn't see it
that way at all. I didn't see it as a
disc at all. I saw it as an adult son
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trying to take up for his father. And I actually
feel bad that they're in that position.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
I need two, Nancy.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
They've been raised in a culture of sex, abuse of violence,
a culture of narcissism, guns, multiple mothers, house siblings. You know,
it's just a very confusing environment. And you know this
is going to be a therapeutic experience for them sitting
in court because they have to take in all kinds
of information about it.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
You lost your mind? Have you lost your mind?
Speaker 2 (39:00):
You're calling your father accused of sex trafficking therapeutic? Okay, yes,
I call You're out the Beverly Hills and I was
raised on a dirt road, But iin nothing therapeutic about
hearing the try about your father that he's tress.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
So I do, Nancy, because they have to be in reality.
They've been lived and they've been raised in an upside
down world. Listen to what Agnipolos said today. Okay, so
when he says that Cassie Ventura was just trying to
please her man, you know, just because your man wants
it and you don't, but you're going to do it
to make him happy. He's basically saying women need to
(39:37):
take it up.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
As an analyst, I hear all the metaphors. I help
those kids sitting in court carrying all this degradation of
women have a good therapist to talk to so they
can make sense of it, and all of this putting
women down because Cassie Ventura got twenty million dollars. You know,
with Michael Jackson when he paid his first victim thirty
(40:00):
million dollars, we didn't say that nine.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Year old was a gold digger.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
We said Michael Jackson must have done something.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Really, really bad if he paid out thirty million dollars
and all this money. I think it is because it's
because P Diddy really needs to cover his tracks.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Not everyone agrees with the Didty team.
Speaker 12 (40:21):
Listen, well, yours actually next week, we'll start deliberating. But
what they're going to remember is what happened at that
hotel right behind me.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Tell it man, that's from Oris Apato at TikTok straight
out to the courthouse to Sydney Sumner Crime Story's investigative reporter,
what happened.
Speaker 9 (40:44):
Judge Supermanian wrapped up jury instructions and sent the five
alternates home, of course, reminding them to stay by their
phones and stay off social media on the chance they
may be called up to the final jury. Now, the
final jury was sent off to begin to live. They
needed to choose a four person before they got any
further into their discussions, and that decision was made pretty quickly.
(41:07):
Juror number five selected as the jury four person. Now,
with the jury out of the room, Judge supermani and
did stop to congratulate both the prosecutors and the defense
on a case well tried and well defended before Sean
Colmes was sent off to his holding cell. Colmes was
allowed to bring a book with him and he will
remain in that cell until the jury ends their deliberations
(41:30):
for the day or comes back with a verdict, and
that could be after five pm. Supermani and left their
schedule up to the jurors. As Colmes was led away
from the courtroom, his family all stood, they were holding hands,
their heads were bowed, and when Judge Supermani and got
off the bench, they actually started clapping before they made
their own way out of the courtroom. Now it wasn't
(41:51):
long before we heard some movement from the jury. They
actually passed a note to the judge and it expressed
concern over one of the jurors on this final panel.
They were afraid that Juror number twenty five cannot follow
the instructions that Judge Supermanian gave them. So it's unclear
exactly what happened in that deliberation room, but there's apparently
(42:13):
already some dissonance back there. Ultimately, Judge Supermanian didn't make
any move to have some kind of confrontation with Juror
twenty five, sending a note back that just said, you've
heard my instructions, you need to follow them. That's the
duty that you were charged with.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
What will the jury do?
Speaker 2 (42:30):
We are in a verdict watch and now we remember
an American hero officer, Jacob Chaffin's Prestonburg PD just twenty eight,
shot in the line of duty after three years with
l E. Lee's behind, wife Savannah, and daughter Paisley. American
Hero officer Jacob Chaffins, Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend
Speaker 11 (43:00):
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