July 7, 2025 • 38 mins
Sean 'Diddy' Combs, disgraced rap mogul, is denied bail after being acquitted on sex trafficking and racketeering charges, the most serious charges against him that could have landed him life in prison, and found guilty only of transportation to engage in prostitution.
Judge Arun Subramanian set a tentative sentencing date of Oct. 3 but is considering the defense’s request for it to be sooner at a virtual hearing scheduled for tomorrow afternoon.
Last week after 'Diddy's' verdict, Judge Subramanian ruled from the bench that Combs is a risk to public safety and must remain behind bars until his sentencing. The judge cites substantial evidence presented during the trial alleging Combs' violent history involving former partners and employees. “It is impossible for the defendant to demonstrate by clear and convincing evidence that he poses no danger,” Subramanian said from the bench.
Unless the judge rules in favor of the defense, Combs will spend months awaiting sentencing at a notoriously understaffed and violent Brooklyn jail, where the music mogul has called home for nearly ten months. Many of Combs' victims wrote the court pleading for the rap mogul to remain behind bars in fear for their lives and safety.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. We are on Ditty Watch.
That's right. The claw is ticking it down on Nancy Grace.
This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
being with us. That's right. We are on Ditty Watch.
Straight out to TISA Tails joining us TISA Tales on
(00:21):
YouTube TASA Tails. What do we expect to go down
in the courtroom tomorrow? Number one? Will Sean Combs make
a star appearance in person or in court or will
Shawn Combs aka Ditty be on the big screen again
in other words, remote video from the jail TISA Tels.
What are the expected arguments? What are we expecting tomorrow?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Well, we are expecting Sean Didty Colms to come into
the courtroom once again and make a mockery out of
the legal system. This man is doing a victory lab.
I don't know why because at the end of the
day didn't get all five charges. Absolutely not. But he
has two serious charges that are sex crimes and are
sex trafficking agenda adjacent. Okay, but again, did he lives
(01:07):
in delusion land and it seems like that delusion actually
did work out?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Will he be in court tomorrow? What's his other option?
Speaker 3 (01:14):
To be in his jail cell with the rats and
roaches awaiting his bell, hearing Sean Diddy Cumbs can't wait
to put on his Bill Cosby sweater, to stroll in there,
to say love.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
To see his family clap like the head coach has
just come to win the championship game. Now, I will
say one thing I do expect also, or at least
I hope. I hope Sean Diddy Coombs supporters act a
full tomorrow. I hope they remind everyone and keep it
in fresh everybody's mind who this man is, who supporters are,
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and what if he is allowed on.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
The street will actually happen.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Last time the courtout was in pandemonium and had to
get locked down. I hope that his supporters come out
and embarrass him to an important message to the judge
about what.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
This man is and what he stands for.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
But will we be there absolutely at least the rights
and riches in this cage. You're hoping so they can
have a day off from his antics.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Doctor Dwayne Hendricks joining US former Associate Warden, MDC Brooklyn,
former Senior Warden, the US Departner of Justice, founder of
a new d Alite foundation, and author of who Are
You See It? Say It Sees It? Doctor Dwayne Hendrix.
How does a video court appearance happen? From behind bars?
(02:37):
What well Shawn comes in the studio? Lighting, makeup, hair?
Speaker 5 (02:40):
In the bureau prisons as well as the cress's industry
as a whole, it has become very commonplace for virtual
remote hearings, especially after the onset of the COVID nineteen pandemic.
These hearings are held in the visiting room area of
the institution and inmates are brought down about fifteen to
twenty minutes to the meeting starting, and staff will test
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along with the core staff audio and visual to ensure
that the meeting can start on time. These meetings happen.
These virtual meetings happen weekly across the country, and so
there shouldn't be any issues with mister combs upcoming.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Hearing Joining me now, renowned defense attorney Eric Fatas, what
will the defense argument be? Okay?
Speaker 6 (03:23):
So at sencing Diddy's defense team.
Speaker 7 (03:26):
Needs to argue these two important factors. At every criminal sentencing,
a judge is going to look at whether the defendant
has a criminal history.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
The judge is also going to look at the seriousness.
Speaker 7 (03:37):
Of the charges here did he doesn't have a record,
He doesn't have sort of this long rap sheet that
could be concerning to a judge who's deciding what a
sentence should be.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
His defense team needs to hammer on that.
Speaker 7 (03:51):
Additionally, looking at the seriousness of the charges, you know,
interstate transportations for purposes of prostitution, although problematic.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
Is not the crime of the century.
Speaker 7 (04:02):
Datty's defense team could style it as, Hey, look, this
is really a misdemeanor state level prostitution conviction, and the
only thing that made of the federal offense is the
interstate transportation. It is not overly egregious, and the judge
should not consider any unproved allegations that the jury rejected.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Sidney Sumner joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter, Sidney, isn't
it true that Shawn Commes has already tampered with witnesses
from behind bars?
Speaker 8 (04:33):
Well, witness tampering is really why Colmes wasn't let.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Out weeding up to trial in the first place.
Speaker 9 (04:39):
Several judges felt like there was no combination of conditions
outside of jail that would prevent Colmes from tampering with witnesses.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
And even behind bars Colmes.
Speaker 8 (04:51):
Was caught using other inmates' phone access codes so that
he could contact unauthorized individuals people that were blocked on
his own phone app access codes. And when he wasn't
using another inmate's phone access code.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
He called his son and then had his son loop.
Speaker 9 (05:08):
In those unauthorized contacts on a third line.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
On top of.
Speaker 9 (05:13):
That, prison security unearthed a reminder that Comes wrote to
instruct a family member to find dirt on potential victims.
Speaker 6 (05:21):
And it goes even further.
Speaker 9 (05:23):
When Dawn Richard filed her lawsuit alleging abuse during her
time on making the band with Danity Kane, he contacted
another member of that girl group fifty eight times in
four days.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
We know from.
Speaker 9 (05:37):
Testimony that Comes also tried to contact Mia. He used
a most trusted security guard, de Rock, to try and
bribe her into silence.
Speaker 8 (05:47):
And finally we heard several phone calls to ex girlfriend
Jane during testimony and this was right after Cassie's lawsuit.
Prosecutors said that you could hear a pen.
Speaker 9 (05:58):
Scratching in the background making notes, and apparently that was
Christina Kora feeding Colmes what to say to Jane in
an attempt to keep her from speaking with the authorities.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Okay, fattus, what do you have to say to that.
Speaker 7 (06:12):
Remember, the judge in the federal criminal case actually declined
to allow a bond for that very reason, because the
judge was concerned that did he might go out and
unduly influence witnesses in the federal criminal case.
Speaker 6 (06:27):
However, that case is done.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
There are no more witnesses in that case.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
If there's any concern that did he might be tampering with.
Speaker 7 (06:36):
Or intimidating witnesses to other cases, the judges in those
other cases have.
Speaker 6 (06:41):
To handle that.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Linna Shaw, founder director of Lynn's Warriors, dedicated to ending
sex trafficing on girls and women. What's your message to
the judge, Lynn Nancy?
Speaker 10 (06:52):
My message to the judges that he go back and
think about all those victims and their impact statements, and
even think about the victims we did not even hear
from that He do this in the name of all
victims of sex trafficking, sexual abuse, rape. He keeps this
in the back of his mind. He keeps that Cassie
video where she's being dragged down the hallway.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
By her hoodie, by her neck, being kicked.
Speaker 10 (07:18):
Even when she's on the floor, not moving.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
This is violence.
Speaker 10 (07:22):
I don't care how you slice it.
Speaker 6 (07:23):
We all know it's violence.
Speaker 10 (07:24):
The judge himself when the jury came back and said
no sex trafficking.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
I hope he.
Speaker 10 (07:31):
Does relate to everybody out there, not just the victims
of Sean Dirty Ditty Combs, but he did say to
Ditty's lawyers when they were seeking bail, full throatedly violence,
violence being the keyword. So we're going to hope. We're
going to pray that the.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Judge gives Ditty.
Speaker 10 (07:51):
Time time, and you know what, we're going to pray
that he does this in the name of all victims,
of all survivors of sex tal because you know what
they're watching.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Ross Shooter, what's your message to the judge.
Speaker 11 (08:05):
These two lesser crimes are still really major, major crimes,
and he should be made to pay for both of them.
You have witnessed firsthand who this guy is. He has
been in your court room for six seven weeks. We've
heard testimony, violence, threats, alleged kidnappings. No, he isn't changed.
(08:30):
He's empowered. He's feeling more powerful than he's ever felt before.
And that power with Puffy, it doesn't just sit there
under the surface. No, it bubbles up, Nancy, it explodes.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
That is what's your message to the judge.
Speaker 7 (08:47):
My message to the judge in the Didty case is
to not be swayed by the tithes of public opinion.
You know, in the beginning of the federal criminal case,
Diddy was vilified. He was he was cast as a
complete monster. At the end of it, when he prevailed
on the most serious charges, folks, some were touting.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
Him as a hero and that kind of thing. I
think the judge needs to make sure that the sentence
he is.
Speaker 7 (09:13):
Imposing is irrespective of any kind of social pressure or
ideas about who did He is that come from a
source other than inside that courtroom and what that judge witnessed.
I think the judge needs to consider the lack of
criminal history, the seriousness or perhaps non seriousness of the
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convictions of which did He was convicted, and also, you
know what message this sentence might send to society, to
alleged victims, to folks who are wrongly accused.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
All of those things are.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
Going to be front of mind for that judge.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Straight back to Tisa Tales joining us Tasa Tales on YouTube.
Tisa what exactly is going to go down tomorrow in court.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
So for the plan is for the media to get
up and we are going to assemble again.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
So here's the thing, Shaun Didty Combs.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
This hearing is going to go down now the government
what it's fine to have his bond hearing on October second.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Sources are saying that Ditty is desperate.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
To get out of the MBC and go to Club
Fed or at least a cleaner, better one detention facility.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Okay, MDC is known.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
For being cold, it's being dank, there's rats, roaches, who
else is going on? Okay, so what do they expect?
It is going to be a fight. Actually, people say
it might be going on for hours. But the government
is just going to be sitting there with his hands
folded because Judge Aaron has already told.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Everybody what he thinks of Diddy.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Now Didty's team is expected to come out swinging.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
They already think that they conned the jury.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
I think they think that they can actually con judge Aaron.
But if the past is indicative of there is any
indication on what we can expect, it's going to be
a tough, upheld battle. And again he was not impressed
with what Diddy's people did to the courthouse last time.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Now what will it be?
Speaker 2 (11:10):
It will be on closed circuit stream throughout the courthouse,
of course, They'll be the courtroom and it'll be streamed
to the overflow room. We are expected expecting Mark Agnifilia
Toll put on his rocky suit, take those gloves and
fight for his client, Satan Incarnate's justice again.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
It's going to be a show, probably a very.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Disgusting, disturbing show. Let's not forget that Mark Agnifilial had
the nerve to suggest that what he did to Jane
was provoked or self defense. Let's see if Mark actually
got a little bit more since since last time he
made those outlandish claims.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
However, Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Think so, because one thing I can say about the
Dream Team, they will keep doubling down, and can you
blame them because if it worked once, I'm sure they
think it'll work again.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
The did he watch is in town down. What will
the judge do? Each side arguing its best for its client,
for the defense, arguing for Shaw Combs, for the state,
arguing for the people, including the victims in this case?
(12:18):
But how did we end up here? Shawn Comes will
spend no time behind bars, and Shawn Combs will spend
life behind bars. It's all down to twelve gurrrs. We
are headed into a verdict. Watch here at Crime Stories.
Now straight to Crime Stories. Investigative reporter Sydney Sumner, Sidney.
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The state is braced closing arguments going throughout the day.
The state went five hours in closing arguments and they
were withering the jury, making notes furiously and leaning forward
in their seats. That's always a good sign. But you
can't call this in the fifth inning. No, there's a
(13:05):
long way to go, Sydney Summer Today. Defense closing arguments
start at the beginning with Seawan Kinmes walking into the
courtroom altona must stay. What happened? Well, Nancy?
Speaker 12 (13:20):
We have heard reports, but did He has been greeting
his lawyers with a yoga studio esque bow. Class's hands together,
gives them a little nod of respect as he greets
them in the morning. Today is all about.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Pent Just stop right there? What what woll whoa? Whoa woe?
What a yoga zen thing? What are you talking about?
Speaker 12 (13:45):
Well, Nancy, I don't know if you've ever been to
a yoga class. I used to attend pretty often.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
But you just at the end of class, at.
Speaker 12 (13:52):
The beginning of class, you put your hands together and
you do a short little bow to everyone else in
the classroom to show your respect for every one. And
that's exactly what Colins has been doing to all eight
of his lawyers in the courtroom every morning when he
comes to see them.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Sidney, you cannot live in New York City, in Manhattan
and not be subjected to a yoga class, particularly a
hot yoga class the worst. But what you're saying is
like a zen Nama stay, oh okay, you know what,
straight out to Lynnshaw joining me, executive director, founder of
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Lynn's Lawyers, dedicated to ending exploitation trafficking of women and girls.
You know, Nama, stay my rear end. He can nom
stay his way all the way to the MDC. He
was an all Noma stay in the middle of all
these freak coughs. You know how big of a stack
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they had to do an eight hundred number for all
the women calling in claiming that they were victims of
Sean Comb's freak offs, King Knights, Hotel Knights, what ever,
whatever ephem is, and he wants to use these women
claiming they were drugged in their drinks, that they woke
(15:09):
up covered in baby oil with their vagina's herding, and
he's all no mistake, my rear end.
Speaker 10 (15:16):
What a slap in the face to all victims of
any kind of sexual exploitation abuse.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
I mean, this is horrific.
Speaker 10 (15:23):
And you know what, I'm putting my money on the
jury that everybody can see right through this, this act
of contrition, because this is horrific that he's allowed to
walk into court an easy He's being all cute and calm,
and you know what, yesterday I was saying, I don't
want to call him the nicknames. I've called him dirty
Diddy and things like that, But today I want to
go back to that because I am sick and tired
of this. Who is protecting, who is talking to, who
(15:47):
is giving advice counsel to these hundreds as far as
we know right, you know, victims of his, probably thousands
over the years. So I'm just hoping that this playbook
of his, this dirty Diddy playbook, everybody's onto him, everybody's
sick of him, and you know what, we have to
turn that focus and hope and hope and hope that victims, survivors,
(16:08):
anybody watching this this he's turning it into a laugh
you know, a laugh stockfest here, you know, some kind
of festival.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
This is a court of law. He's supposed to.
Speaker 10 (16:15):
Be up for his life right and the family and
him and the lawyer singing. It's too much, Nancy, It's
just too much.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
I know. Did you hear that yesterday? Doctor Bethany Marshall,
you were with us last night when we learned that Agnifolo,
the defense attorney went on the mic and started singing
her name was Lola. He started singing copa, cabana and
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a sex trafficking trial. And it just threw me over
the edge because I have dealt with rape victims. You know,
look around, look around. I'm looking around the studio. At
least one in four women had been sex assault victims.
Think about that, Think about it. You'd never suspect have
been sex assault victims. And he's singing copa into the microphone.
(17:08):
And now Seawn comes comes in and does a nama stay. Really,
he can chill out behind bars for the rest of
his life, for all I care y, Well, he is
not just what is this?
Speaker 13 (17:17):
Well, it's one more male and females do it to
minimizing the severity of sex trafficking. Nancy, I don't think
our nation or world really understands what sex trafficking is.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
This whole question that.
Speaker 13 (17:31):
Maybe the women consented that means they were in a
relationship and not that they were coerced.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Is so false when you think of the whole.
Speaker 13 (17:39):
Psychology of sex trafficking.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace save me Sumner. After all,
the Anoma stay went down in the courtroom.
Speaker 12 (17:58):
What happened, Well, Mark Agnipolo came up to the stand
to start giving his closing arguments, and I'm curious to
see how short they're going to be. Are they going
to be just like the case in chief, only a
few minutes, wrapping this up nice and quickly for the defense.
(18:19):
But his very first words was, you've heard two different trials.
You've heard the evidence trial and you've heard the prosecutor's trial.
The words coming out of their mouths, and those words
are extremely exaggerated. This is just a swinger's lifestyle. That's
(18:39):
what the evidence told you, But prosecutors are telling you
this was a crime.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Okay, here we go. The minimization of what happened that
the women are hysterical. Why so always women are hysterical
and they're exaggerating. And the female prosecutor that gave the
closing arguments, which were brilliant, by the way, Christie Slavic exaggeration.
(19:05):
You know, Eric Fattus, there are women on that jury, right.
Eric Fattus, veteral on trial lawyer joining us out of Colorado.
He is the founding partner of Varner Fattest, elite legal
and former felony prosecutor. That would be the last thing
that I wanted to do if if I were Lord,
help me. A defense attorney is claiming that all the
(19:27):
women are hysterical and exaggerating. You know, there's some women
sitting on that jury going say what.
Speaker 14 (19:33):
Yeah, Nancy, there are sensitive issues in this case, clearly,
and as a defense attorney, you've got to make sure
you're not offending the sensibilities of the jurors. You can
be passionate, you can be a zealous advocate, but you've
got to be careful about, you know, playing into some
trope that women who have been victimized and who are
survivors were just you know, making it up or making
(19:56):
a big deal out of nothing. Or something like that.
And so I think he's got to really be careful
because he loves the risk of rubbing them the wrong way,
and then you know that impression is left with them.
Back of the deliberation room.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Straight back out to Sydney Sumner Crime Stories investigative reporter.
I understand that Sean Comes had his son Christian Comes
along with what his god uncle Kanye very busy last night.
Speaker 12 (20:25):
Yes, they have released an EP today and one of
the songs on that EP is called Ditty Free, and
the lyrics say that we aren't going to sleep until
we see Ditty Free, and the lyrics actually mention you, Nancy.
They don't understand, but they stand me. Tell him gives
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me grace, even Nancy. So this isn't the first song
that he's released speaking about his dad's legal troubles, and honestly,
I don't think they're doing any positive things for him.
This Bible might come in handy, this rifle might come
in handy. I don't think threatening gun violence is really
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doing much to persuade anyone that your dad is innocent
of these crimes.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Okay, you know that your ors get to go home
every night, they are not sequestered and they can be
exposed to this rap song created by God Help Him,
Christian Combs and Kanye. Why you would want your child
around Kanye?
Speaker 11 (21:33):
I do not know.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
But that's a whole other can of worms. Let's take
a look at the lyrics. Ain't going to sleep till
we see Diddi Free, Ain't gonna sleep till we see
Diddy free. When gets suss they try to play the victim,
playing the victim, that's an attack on the victims outspoken.
I ain't keeping in uh blah blah blah blah. Now
(21:56):
you know I noticed part of it refers to a
Plan B with which is an abortion drug which came
up during this trial. It says they ain't got to lose.
What are they talking about? The victims or the jurors?
I ain't one of them. And then it goes on
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to talk about astro what astro glide? And it says, like, damn,
why am I in the tabloids? You know what, that's
a really good question. Why comes as children have been
dragged into this? They are being used as a pr
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tool And now you want to tell me this happened
without Sean comes knowing that it would drop just before
the defense closing arguments. Further, looking at the lyrics that
dropped last night, the Bible might come in handy like
what it's a prop in. Of course Christ gets dragged
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in it's one night. I want Jesus Christ to answer.
Then they want to stop me the kid. They want
to stop the kid like a plan be Okay, we
heard the testimony, and we know about whether the jury
understands it fully that one woman was forced into an abortion.
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They don't understand me. Tell them give me grace even Nancy,
and it refers to bad boy throughout. That would be
bad Boy records. Okay, let's hear it. They don't understand
what they stand and tell them give me grace even this. Okay.
You know some people ask, are you angry? No, I'm not.
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I'm full of remorse for what Seaan Colmes is doing
to his children. I'm Eric fattis joining me veteran try
a lawyer. Have you ever prosecuted a case where the children,
unless they were the victims, thought their parents did it?
(24:11):
Because I don't think I've ever had a case where
the children thought their dad was guilty. Even adult children,
they never believe the parent did it.
Speaker 14 (24:24):
I can't think of one.
Speaker 6 (24:25):
Really.
Speaker 14 (24:25):
The family often rallies around the defendant in these cases,
you know, provides support. They want to believe, they want
to believe their family member is not guilty of these
heinous allegations. And that's understandable. But oftentimes, like you mentioned,
the family can be brought in sort of as ponds,
sometimes in the trial itself, sometimes outside the trial, especially
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in these highly publicized cases. And I think a lot
of folks think that that maybe what was going on
with Diddy and his children.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Let's take one more listen to Didty Free? This is
released by possibly the only person in the world that
think Shawn Combs is innocent, and that would be his
son standing by him, God bless him, Christian King Combs,
and of course the illustrious Kanye.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
They don't understand, but they stand and tell them give
me grace, even.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Shawn Cobs's devoutas mobbing the courthouse the day they thought
he would walk free. Take a look that's from Arman
(25:41):
Wiggins on Instagram. Does any of this effect the judge?
The judge is supposed to be separate and apart from
the outside world, but does the judge listen to any
of this joining us RightNow, Psycho Alys out of la
Doctor Bethany Marshall, do you believe the judge is truly
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immune to what the mob mentality is demanding outside the courthouse, Nancy.
Speaker 13 (26:09):
This judge will not be immune to the mob mentality
outside the courthouse. Judges care I'm married to a judge.
They do form their own conclusions. They do try to
uphold the law, and they do respect the verdict that
the jury comes back with. But they have their own
mind and their own way of thinking, and they are
very seasoned at what they do. So this is something
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that's going to follow this judge the rest of his life.
He's going to think about it, he's going to worry
about it. In your Nancy, I think too, there are
many people who are frightened right now of consequences from
P Diddy Combs. And I don't know if you know this,
but a lot of judges want security after court cases
like this because.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
They do feel threatened.
Speaker 13 (26:48):
So I think that's going to be weighing heavily on
this judge's mind.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Speaking of mob mentality, tastes of Tales, could you describe
what the so called mob did to you? Following a verdict.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
So yes, as everybody knows, I was accosted outside the courthouse,
and that was putting it lightly.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Scum did he supporting scum literally rolling around like the.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Mob from Beauty and the Beasts looking for me so
they could, according.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
To what they were telling their followers, lay their hands
and feet on me.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
What happened to Cassie was going to be nothing compared
to what they planned to.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Do to me, which is what they told me.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Okay, that was incredibly it was eye opening. Okay, now
at the time, thank goodness, I did have security, but
it was incredibly eye opening.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
A lot of Diddy's victims are saying they're worried.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
About what happens that did. He is vengeful, he is prabmatic.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
But more importantly, I saw the base of the fear,
the fact that he has a very loyal following of idiots.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
He did not have to give them.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
A penny, He doesn't even have to thank them, He doesn't.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Even have to know who they are. He is happy
they are happy.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
To do his bidding, or what he showed everybody what
his bidding is. I fear for the victims, I fear
for anybody that actually speaks out. Okay, Diddy and the
people around him, and my opinion, are not safe. And
that jury, like I've always said, sent a signal that
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domestic violence isn't real violence. It's okay if you have
to use your hands and feet to put a woman
in their place. And that's scary to actually think that
you have a band of misfit, bumb losers who are
willing to do your bidding. At the end of the
day and interesting in love, I expect this to be
(28:44):
a new day.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Because it has come out that a lot of people
that were even trying to accost me attack me actually
have their own domestic violence cases coming up. Again, you
cannot make this up, but this is.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
The type of support that Sean Diddy Coalms brings out
for himself.
Speaker 15 (29:04):
There's no drug possession charges, there's no like assault, there's
not really charges that you can say, well, you know,
I don't want to send him to prison for fifteen years,
but I don't like him and he's a bad person,
so let's convict him of this and he'll get a
couple of years, which is very often what juries do.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
True. He may be no legal scholar that's from our
prophit on TikTok. But that's the point. This case is
not being determined or judged by legal scholars, is being
judged by twelve jurors joining me. In addition to TISA
tales outside the courthouse, an all star panel, let's go straight
(29:46):
out to Eric Fattus joining US veteran troal lawyer and
founding partner Varner Fattest elite legal. Eric. While we may
think the state has proven its case, it's really up
to the And I mean the Vegas odds are fifty
to fifty right now, and I think that may reflect
(30:09):
what's going on. So just because the climate inside the
courthouse is conviction oriented, Remember you're surrounded by bailiffs. Everybody
in the courthouse, many of them were for the state,
that doesn't mean that's the slant the jury's taking. Fattest.
Speaker 14 (30:27):
In fact, getting these takes you from the street and
from folks on YouTube. That could be a better glimpse
into how these laid jurors are actually seeing this case. Look,
this is an uphill battle. It's not a slam dunk
by any means. We're talking about allegations over the course
of decades. There are all these moving parts, thirty four
different witnesses, conflicting evidence, credibility issues. When you put all
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of that together, it's difficult to meet that burden of
proof beyond a reasonable doubt, which is the highest burden
in the justice system.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, we know Shawn Combs has
been sweating bullets in the courtroom all day, continuously looking
over at the jury, darting his gaze over at them
throughout the judge's instructions. Joining me Danny Pinter, Senior VP
(31:21):
and Director of the Law Center at the National Center
on Sexual Exploitation. Danny, when you hear phrase, is like, oh,
she was gangster, straight up. She could take on two
three men at a time. She was a quote loose woman.
She got paid. Another moment, Agniffolo said he only hit
(31:43):
her twice, referring to I believe that was Jane. He
only hit her twice. That's the defense. Yeah.
Speaker 9 (31:51):
I found it honestly disgusting, and I hope the jury
does too.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
I think it was weak and unpersuasive, and the defense
went too far.
Speaker 9 (31:59):
The jury has to to contend with the facts, which
I think, you know, as a legal expert, I think
they do the prosecution.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Met their burden. But what story is the jury going
to believe? And does it defensually think the jury is
going to believe the story that Cassie Ventura had all
the power and it Diddy is the victim.
Speaker 6 (32:19):
I don't think anyone's buying.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Rob Shooter joining me host to a naughty but nice
podcast and you can find him at a substack. Rob
the daughters who have had to leave court several times
in tears during the testimony, that's a whole other can
of Worm's why he had his daughters and children in
there listening to the worst of the worst from the state.
They all dressed in black today, and I remember prosecuting.
(32:44):
I never wore like red, yellow, vibrant orange because the
cases I prosecuted were all violent felonies, and it just
seemed wrong. It just seemed inappropriate. And so it's a
very solemn note. And you know, oh that did he
orchestrated right down to what they were wearing.
Speaker 11 (33:05):
Yeah, I think you're right, Nancy. What I will say though,
here is that there's a little bit of performance going
on to with the kids. I don't want to go
after someone's kids for their parents' crimes. But it has
been on Dieted that post kids have had a really
amazing life because of their dad and because of what
their dad do and does and who their dad is.
(33:26):
These are not the von Trapp family. They have seen
a lot. These kids have been around his parties. They've
been around and.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
The von Trapp family. Did you just you're you're talking
about what the seven children oft? Excuse me? And sound
of music that would put on those frocks and seeing
and the family music. First of all, yeah, no, the
von Traps, they ain't. That's true. Go ahead.
Speaker 11 (33:55):
They aimed that this is a family that has been
around money, power, a celebrities, sex, violence, They've heard their
dads songs, they've wrapped along to other rap artists. These
are very aggressive lifestyles and they were born into this lifestyle,
so they're really used to seeing, hearing, and maybe even
(34:19):
participating in some very very very what we would consider
strange scene strange environments. So I wouldn't feel too bad
for the kids here. I think that they're part of
the Combes family. It's a deal that maybe they didn't
want to make, they had no choice in it, but
they've been born into this lifestyle and they have benefited
(34:40):
from their dad's success for his money.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
For you know, I'm very surprised you brought up the
von Trapp family. Weren't they raised by a nun sister
Maria remember her, a Julie Andrews. Okay, these children have
not been raised by a nun. Okay, But following up
on what you said to me, doctor Benthony Marshall, that
makes me feel for these children even more so because
(35:04):
they never had what I had. Of course, I grew
up on a red dirt road, drinking water from well
my grandfather dug in the backyard. Okay, but you know
what I did have. I had a mother that took
care of me and a father. Both of them worked
all day into the night, came home, had supper with us,
(35:27):
and they were there for me. I mean, it ain't
easy for my dad to work on the railroad and
my mom to work at a factory, right, but they did.
But we had love. These children never had that constant
in their life. Now they're sitting in their dad's felony trial.
A lot of people have asked me, Wow, how do
(35:48):
you feel about Christian cons putting you on a disc track.
I didn't see it that way at all. I didn't
see it as a disc at all. I saw it
as an adult son trying to take up for his father.
And I actually feel bad that they're in that position.
I need to Nancy.
Speaker 13 (36:04):
They've been raised in a culture of sex, abuse of violence,
a culture of narcissism, guns, multiple mothers, half siblings. You know,
it's just a very confusing environment. And you know this
is going to be a therapeutic experience for them sitting
in court because they have to take in all kinds
of information about it.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
You lost your mind? Have you lost your mind? You're
calling your father accused of sex trafficking therapeutic? Okay, yes,
I have call't Beverly Hills, and I was raised on
a dirt road. But I nothing therapeutic about hearing the
try about your father that he's extra.
Speaker 16 (36:41):
So I do, Nancy, because they have to be in reality.
They've been lived and they've been raised in an upside
down world. Listen to what Agniffholos said today. Okay, so
when he says that Cassie Ventura was just trying to
please her man, you know, just because your man wants
and you don't. But you're going to it to make
him happy. He's basically saying women need to take it up.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Okay.
Speaker 16 (37:05):
As an analyst, I hear all the metaphors. I help
those kids sitting in court carrying all this degradation of
women have a good therapist to talk to so they
can make.
Speaker 6 (37:16):
Sense of it.
Speaker 16 (37:17):
And all of us putting women down because Cassie van
Sura got twenty million dollars. You know, with Michael Jackson,
when he paid his first victim thirty million dollars, we
didn't say that nine.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Year old was a gold digger.
Speaker 16 (37:29):
We said Michael Jackson must have done something really, really
bad if he paid out thirty million dollars. And all
this money I think is because it's because p did.
He really needs to cover his tracks.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
The did he watch is counting down. We waked as
justice unfolds. But now we remember an American hero Trooper
Michael Stewart, Pennsylvania State PD, just twenty six, killed in
the line of duty after four years with Ellie, leaving
behind grieving parents Michael and Lynn. American hero trooper Michael
(38:07):
Stewart Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend.
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. We are on Ditty Watch.
That's right. The claw is ticking it down on Nancy Grace.
This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
being with us. That's right. We are on Ditty Watch.
Straight out to TISA Tails joining us TISA Tales on
(00:21):
YouTube TASA Tails. What do we expect to go down
in the courtroom tomorrow? Number one? Will Sean Combs make
a star appearance in person or in court or will
Shawn Combs aka Ditty be on the big screen again
in other words, remote video from the jail TISA Tels.
What are the expected arguments? What are we expecting tomorrow?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Well, we are expecting Sean Didty Colms to come into
the courtroom once again and make a mockery out of
the legal system. This man is doing a victory lab.
I don't know why because at the end of the
day didn't get all five charges. Absolutely not. But he
has two serious charges that are sex crimes and are
sex trafficking agenda adjacent. Okay, but again, did he lives
(01:07):
in delusion land and it seems like that delusion actually
did work out?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Will he be in court tomorrow? What's his other option?
Speaker 3 (01:14):
To be in his jail cell with the rats and
roaches awaiting his bell, hearing Sean Diddy Cumbs can't wait
to put on his Bill Cosby sweater, to stroll in there,
to say love.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
To see his family clap like the head coach has
just come to win the championship game. Now, I will
say one thing I do expect also, or at least
I hope. I hope Sean Diddy Coombs supporters act a
full tomorrow. I hope they remind everyone and keep it
in fresh everybody's mind who this man is, who supporters are,
(01:47):
and what if he is allowed on.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
The street will actually happen.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Last time the courtout was in pandemonium and had to
get locked down. I hope that his supporters come out
and embarrass him to an important message to the judge
about what.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
This man is and what he stands for.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
But will we be there absolutely at least the rights
and riches in this cage. You're hoping so they can
have a day off from his antics.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Doctor Dwayne Hendricks joining US former Associate Warden, MDC Brooklyn,
former Senior Warden, the US Departner of Justice, founder of
a new d Alite foundation, and author of who Are
You See It? Say It Sees It? Doctor Dwayne Hendrix.
How does a video court appearance happen? From behind bars?
(02:37):
What well Shawn comes in the studio? Lighting, makeup, hair?
Speaker 5 (02:40):
In the bureau prisons as well as the cress's industry
as a whole, it has become very commonplace for virtual
remote hearings, especially after the onset of the COVID nineteen pandemic.
These hearings are held in the visiting room area of
the institution and inmates are brought down about fifteen to
twenty minutes to the meeting starting, and staff will test
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along with the core staff audio and visual to ensure
that the meeting can start on time. These meetings happen.
These virtual meetings happen weekly across the country, and so
there shouldn't be any issues with mister combs upcoming.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Hearing Joining me now, renowned defense attorney Eric Fatas, what
will the defense argument be? Okay?
Speaker 6 (03:23):
So at sencing Diddy's defense team.
Speaker 7 (03:26):
Needs to argue these two important factors. At every criminal sentencing,
a judge is going to look at whether the defendant
has a criminal history.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
The judge is also going to look at the seriousness.
Speaker 7 (03:37):
Of the charges here did he doesn't have a record,
He doesn't have sort of this long rap sheet that
could be concerning to a judge who's deciding what a
sentence should be.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
His defense team needs to hammer on that.
Speaker 7 (03:51):
Additionally, looking at the seriousness of the charges, you know,
interstate transportations for purposes of prostitution, although problematic.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
Is not the crime of the century.
Speaker 7 (04:02):
Datty's defense team could style it as, Hey, look, this
is really a misdemeanor state level prostitution conviction, and the
only thing that made of the federal offense is the
interstate transportation. It is not overly egregious, and the judge
should not consider any unproved allegations that the jury rejected.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Sidney Sumner joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter, Sidney, isn't
it true that Shawn Commes has already tampered with witnesses
from behind bars?
Speaker 8 (04:33):
Well, witness tampering is really why Colmes wasn't let.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Out weeding up to trial in the first place.
Speaker 9 (04:39):
Several judges felt like there was no combination of conditions
outside of jail that would prevent Colmes from tampering with witnesses.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
And even behind bars Colmes.
Speaker 8 (04:51):
Was caught using other inmates' phone access codes so that
he could contact unauthorized individuals people that were blocked on
his own phone app access codes. And when he wasn't
using another inmate's phone access code.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
He called his son and then had his son loop.
Speaker 9 (05:08):
In those unauthorized contacts on a third line.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
On top of.
Speaker 9 (05:13):
That, prison security unearthed a reminder that Comes wrote to
instruct a family member to find dirt on potential victims.
Speaker 6 (05:21):
And it goes even further.
Speaker 9 (05:23):
When Dawn Richard filed her lawsuit alleging abuse during her
time on making the band with Danity Kane, he contacted
another member of that girl group fifty eight times in
four days.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
We know from.
Speaker 9 (05:37):
Testimony that Comes also tried to contact Mia. He used
a most trusted security guard, de Rock, to try and
bribe her into silence.
Speaker 8 (05:47):
And finally we heard several phone calls to ex girlfriend
Jane during testimony and this was right after Cassie's lawsuit.
Prosecutors said that you could hear a pen.
Speaker 9 (05:58):
Scratching in the background making notes, and apparently that was
Christina Kora feeding Colmes what to say to Jane in
an attempt to keep her from speaking with the authorities.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Okay, fattus, what do you have to say to that.
Speaker 7 (06:12):
Remember, the judge in the federal criminal case actually declined
to allow a bond for that very reason, because the
judge was concerned that did he might go out and
unduly influence witnesses in the federal criminal case.
Speaker 6 (06:27):
However, that case is done.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
There are no more witnesses in that case.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
If there's any concern that did he might be tampering with.
Speaker 7 (06:36):
Or intimidating witnesses to other cases, the judges in those
other cases have.
Speaker 6 (06:41):
To handle that.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Linna Shaw, founder director of Lynn's Warriors, dedicated to ending
sex trafficing on girls and women. What's your message to
the judge, Lynn Nancy?
Speaker 10 (06:52):
My message to the judges that he go back and
think about all those victims and their impact statements, and
even think about the victims we did not even hear
from that He do this in the name of all
victims of sex trafficking, sexual abuse, rape. He keeps this
in the back of his mind. He keeps that Cassie
video where she's being dragged down the hallway.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
By her hoodie, by her neck, being kicked.
Speaker 10 (07:18):
Even when she's on the floor, not moving.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
This is violence.
Speaker 10 (07:22):
I don't care how you slice it.
Speaker 6 (07:23):
We all know it's violence.
Speaker 10 (07:24):
The judge himself when the jury came back and said
no sex trafficking.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
I hope he.
Speaker 10 (07:31):
Does relate to everybody out there, not just the victims
of Sean Dirty Ditty Combs, but he did say to
Ditty's lawyers when they were seeking bail, full throatedly violence,
violence being the keyword. So we're going to hope. We're
going to pray that the.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Judge gives Ditty.
Speaker 10 (07:51):
Time time, and you know what, we're going to pray
that he does this in the name of all victims,
of all survivors of sex tal because you know what
they're watching.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Ross Shooter, what's your message to the judge.
Speaker 11 (08:05):
These two lesser crimes are still really major, major crimes,
and he should be made to pay for both of them.
You have witnessed firsthand who this guy is. He has
been in your court room for six seven weeks. We've
heard testimony, violence, threats, alleged kidnappings. No, he isn't changed.
(08:30):
He's empowered. He's feeling more powerful than he's ever felt before.
And that power with Puffy, it doesn't just sit there
under the surface. No, it bubbles up, Nancy, it explodes.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
That is what's your message to the judge.
Speaker 7 (08:47):
My message to the judge in the Didty case is
to not be swayed by the tithes of public opinion.
You know, in the beginning of the federal criminal case,
Diddy was vilified. He was he was cast as a
complete monster. At the end of it, when he prevailed
on the most serious charges, folks, some were touting.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
Him as a hero and that kind of thing. I
think the judge needs to make sure that the sentence
he is.
Speaker 7 (09:13):
Imposing is irrespective of any kind of social pressure or
ideas about who did He is that come from a
source other than inside that courtroom and what that judge witnessed.
I think the judge needs to consider the lack of
criminal history, the seriousness or perhaps non seriousness of the
(09:33):
convictions of which did He was convicted, and also, you
know what message this sentence might send to society, to
alleged victims, to folks who are wrongly accused.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
All of those things are.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
Going to be front of mind for that judge.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Straight back to Tisa Tales joining us Tasa Tales on YouTube.
Tisa what exactly is going to go down tomorrow in court.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
So for the plan is for the media to get
up and we are going to assemble again.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
So here's the thing, Shaun Didty Combs.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
This hearing is going to go down now the government
what it's fine to have his bond hearing on October second.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Sources are saying that Ditty is desperate.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
To get out of the MBC and go to Club
Fed or at least a cleaner, better one detention facility.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Okay, MDC is known.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
For being cold, it's being dank, there's rats, roaches, who
else is going on? Okay, so what do they expect?
It is going to be a fight. Actually, people say
it might be going on for hours. But the government
is just going to be sitting there with his hands
folded because Judge Aaron has already told.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Everybody what he thinks of Diddy.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Now Didty's team is expected to come out swinging.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
They already think that they conned the jury.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
I think they think that they can actually con judge Aaron.
But if the past is indicative of there is any
indication on what we can expect, it's going to be
a tough, upheld battle. And again he was not impressed
with what Diddy's people did to the courthouse last time.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Now what will it be?
Speaker 2 (11:10):
It will be on closed circuit stream throughout the courthouse,
of course, They'll be the courtroom and it'll be streamed
to the overflow room. We are expected expecting Mark Agnifilia
Toll put on his rocky suit, take those gloves and
fight for his client, Satan Incarnate's justice again.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
It's going to be a show, probably a very.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Disgusting, disturbing show. Let's not forget that Mark Agnifilial had
the nerve to suggest that what he did to Jane
was provoked or self defense. Let's see if Mark actually
got a little bit more since since last time he
made those outlandish claims.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
However, Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Think so, because one thing I can say about the
Dream Team, they will keep doubling down, and can you
blame them because if it worked once, I'm sure they
think it'll work again.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
The did he watch is in town down. What will
the judge do? Each side arguing its best for its client,
for the defense, arguing for Shaw Combs, for the state,
arguing for the people, including the victims in this case?
(12:18):
But how did we end up here? Shawn Comes will
spend no time behind bars, and Shawn Combs will spend
life behind bars. It's all down to twelve gurrrs. We
are headed into a verdict. Watch here at Crime Stories.
Now straight to Crime Stories. Investigative reporter Sydney Sumner, Sidney.
(12:42):
The state is braced closing arguments going throughout the day.
The state went five hours in closing arguments and they
were withering the jury, making notes furiously and leaning forward
in their seats. That's always a good sign. But you
can't call this in the fifth inning. No, there's a
(13:05):
long way to go, Sydney Summer Today. Defense closing arguments
start at the beginning with Seawan Kinmes walking into the
courtroom altona must stay. What happened? Well, Nancy?
Speaker 12 (13:20):
We have heard reports, but did He has been greeting
his lawyers with a yoga studio esque bow. Class's hands together,
gives them a little nod of respect as he greets
them in the morning. Today is all about.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Pent Just stop right there? What what woll whoa? Whoa woe?
What a yoga zen thing? What are you talking about?
Speaker 12 (13:45):
Well, Nancy, I don't know if you've ever been to
a yoga class. I used to attend pretty often.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
But you just at the end of class, at.
Speaker 12 (13:52):
The beginning of class, you put your hands together and
you do a short little bow to everyone else in
the classroom to show your respect for every one. And
that's exactly what Colins has been doing to all eight
of his lawyers in the courtroom every morning when he
comes to see them.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Sidney, you cannot live in New York City, in Manhattan
and not be subjected to a yoga class, particularly a
hot yoga class the worst. But what you're saying is
like a zen Nama stay, oh okay, you know what,
straight out to Lynnshaw joining me, executive director, founder of
(14:28):
Lynn's Lawyers, dedicated to ending exploitation trafficking of women and girls.
You know, Nama, stay my rear end. He can nom
stay his way all the way to the MDC. He
was an all Noma stay in the middle of all
these freak coughs. You know how big of a stack
(14:48):
they had to do an eight hundred number for all
the women calling in claiming that they were victims of
Sean Comb's freak offs, King Knights, Hotel Knights, what ever,
whatever ephem is, and he wants to use these women
claiming they were drugged in their drinks, that they woke
(15:09):
up covered in baby oil with their vagina's herding, and
he's all no mistake, my rear end.
Speaker 10 (15:16):
What a slap in the face to all victims of
any kind of sexual exploitation abuse.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
I mean, this is horrific.
Speaker 10 (15:23):
And you know what, I'm putting my money on the
jury that everybody can see right through this, this act
of contrition, because this is horrific that he's allowed to
walk into court an easy He's being all cute and calm,
and you know what, yesterday I was saying, I don't
want to call him the nicknames. I've called him dirty
Diddy and things like that, But today I want to
go back to that because I am sick and tired
of this. Who is protecting, who is talking to, who
(15:47):
is giving advice counsel to these hundreds as far as
we know right, you know, victims of his, probably thousands
over the years. So I'm just hoping that this playbook
of his, this dirty Diddy playbook, everybody's onto him, everybody's
sick of him, and you know what, we have to
turn that focus and hope and hope and hope that victims, survivors,
(16:08):
anybody watching this this he's turning it into a laugh
you know, a laugh stockfest here, you know, some kind
of festival.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
This is a court of law. He's supposed to.
Speaker 10 (16:15):
Be up for his life right and the family and
him and the lawyer singing. It's too much, Nancy, It's
just too much.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
I know. Did you hear that yesterday? Doctor Bethany Marshall,
you were with us last night when we learned that Agnifolo,
the defense attorney went on the mic and started singing
her name was Lola. He started singing copa, cabana and
(16:43):
a sex trafficking trial. And it just threw me over
the edge because I have dealt with rape victims. You know,
look around, look around. I'm looking around the studio. At
least one in four women had been sex assault victims.
Think about that, Think about it. You'd never suspect have
been sex assault victims. And he's singing copa into the microphone.
(17:08):
And now Seawn comes comes in and does a nama stay. Really,
he can chill out behind bars for the rest of
his life, for all I care y, Well, he is
not just what is this?
Speaker 13 (17:17):
Well, it's one more male and females do it to
minimizing the severity of sex trafficking. Nancy, I don't think
our nation or world really understands what sex trafficking is.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
This whole question that.
Speaker 13 (17:31):
Maybe the women consented that means they were in a
relationship and not that they were coerced.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Is so false when you think of the whole.
Speaker 13 (17:39):
Psychology of sex trafficking.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace save me Sumner. After all,
the Anoma stay went down in the courtroom.
Speaker 12 (17:58):
What happened, Well, Mark Agnipolo came up to the stand
to start giving his closing arguments, and I'm curious to
see how short they're going to be. Are they going
to be just like the case in chief, only a
few minutes, wrapping this up nice and quickly for the defense.
(18:19):
But his very first words was, you've heard two different trials.
You've heard the evidence trial and you've heard the prosecutor's trial.
The words coming out of their mouths, and those words
are extremely exaggerated. This is just a swinger's lifestyle. That's
(18:39):
what the evidence told you, But prosecutors are telling you
this was a crime.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Okay, here we go. The minimization of what happened that
the women are hysterical. Why so always women are hysterical
and they're exaggerating. And the female prosecutor that gave the
closing arguments, which were brilliant, by the way, Christie Slavic exaggeration.
(19:05):
You know, Eric Fattus, there are women on that jury, right.
Eric Fattus, veteral on trial lawyer joining us out of Colorado.
He is the founding partner of Varner Fattest, elite legal
and former felony prosecutor. That would be the last thing
that I wanted to do if if I were Lord,
help me. A defense attorney is claiming that all the
(19:27):
women are hysterical and exaggerating. You know, there's some women
sitting on that jury going say what.
Speaker 14 (19:33):
Yeah, Nancy, there are sensitive issues in this case, clearly,
and as a defense attorney, you've got to make sure
you're not offending the sensibilities of the jurors. You can
be passionate, you can be a zealous advocate, but you've
got to be careful about, you know, playing into some
trope that women who have been victimized and who are
survivors were just you know, making it up or making
(19:56):
a big deal out of nothing. Or something like that.
And so I think he's got to really be careful
because he loves the risk of rubbing them the wrong way,
and then you know that impression is left with them.
Back of the deliberation room.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Straight back out to Sydney Sumner Crime Stories investigative reporter.
I understand that Sean Comes had his son Christian Comes
along with what his god uncle Kanye very busy last night.
Speaker 12 (20:25):
Yes, they have released an EP today and one of
the songs on that EP is called Ditty Free, and
the lyrics say that we aren't going to sleep until
we see Ditty Free, and the lyrics actually mention you, Nancy.
They don't understand, but they stand me. Tell him gives
(20:46):
me grace, even Nancy. So this isn't the first song
that he's released speaking about his dad's legal troubles, and honestly,
I don't think they're doing any positive things for him.
This Bible might come in handy, this rifle might come
in handy. I don't think threatening gun violence is really
(21:09):
doing much to persuade anyone that your dad is innocent
of these crimes.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Okay, you know that your ors get to go home
every night, they are not sequestered and they can be
exposed to this rap song created by God Help Him,
Christian Combs and Kanye. Why you would want your child
around Kanye?
Speaker 11 (21:33):
I do not know.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
But that's a whole other can of worms. Let's take
a look at the lyrics. Ain't going to sleep till
we see Diddi Free, Ain't gonna sleep till we see
Diddy free. When gets suss they try to play the victim,
playing the victim, that's an attack on the victims outspoken.
I ain't keeping in uh blah blah blah blah. Now
(21:56):
you know I noticed part of it refers to a
Plan B with which is an abortion drug which came
up during this trial. It says they ain't got to lose.
What are they talking about? The victims or the jurors?
I ain't one of them. And then it goes on
(22:17):
to talk about astro what astro glide? And it says, like, damn,
why am I in the tabloids? You know what, that's
a really good question. Why comes as children have been
dragged into this? They are being used as a pr
(22:38):
tool And now you want to tell me this happened
without Sean comes knowing that it would drop just before
the defense closing arguments. Further, looking at the lyrics that
dropped last night, the Bible might come in handy like
what it's a prop in. Of course Christ gets dragged
(23:02):
in it's one night. I want Jesus Christ to answer.
Then they want to stop me the kid. They want
to stop the kid like a plan be Okay, we
heard the testimony, and we know about whether the jury
understands it fully that one woman was forced into an abortion.
(23:24):
They don't understand me. Tell them give me grace even Nancy,
and it refers to bad boy throughout. That would be
bad Boy records. Okay, let's hear it. They don't understand
what they stand and tell them give me grace even this. Okay.
You know some people ask, are you angry? No, I'm not.
(23:46):
I'm full of remorse for what Seaan Colmes is doing
to his children. I'm Eric fattis joining me veteran try
a lawyer. Have you ever prosecuted a case where the children,
unless they were the victims, thought their parents did it?
(24:11):
Because I don't think I've ever had a case where
the children thought their dad was guilty. Even adult children,
they never believe the parent did it.
Speaker 14 (24:24):
I can't think of one.
Speaker 6 (24:25):
Really.
Speaker 14 (24:25):
The family often rallies around the defendant in these cases,
you know, provides support. They want to believe, they want
to believe their family member is not guilty of these
heinous allegations. And that's understandable. But oftentimes, like you mentioned,
the family can be brought in sort of as ponds,
sometimes in the trial itself, sometimes outside the trial, especially
(24:47):
in these highly publicized cases. And I think a lot
of folks think that that maybe what was going on
with Diddy and his children.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Let's take one more listen to Didty Free? This is
released by possibly the only person in the world that
think Shawn Combs is innocent, and that would be his
son standing by him, God bless him, Christian King Combs,
and of course the illustrious Kanye.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
They don't understand, but they stand and tell them give
me grace, even.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Shawn Cobs's devoutas mobbing the courthouse the day they thought
he would walk free. Take a look that's from Arman
(25:41):
Wiggins on Instagram. Does any of this effect the judge?
The judge is supposed to be separate and apart from
the outside world, but does the judge listen to any
of this joining us RightNow, Psycho Alys out of la
Doctor Bethany Marshall, do you believe the judge is truly
(26:03):
immune to what the mob mentality is demanding outside the courthouse, Nancy.
Speaker 13 (26:09):
This judge will not be immune to the mob mentality
outside the courthouse. Judges care I'm married to a judge.
They do form their own conclusions. They do try to
uphold the law, and they do respect the verdict that
the jury comes back with. But they have their own
mind and their own way of thinking, and they are
very seasoned at what they do. So this is something
(26:30):
that's going to follow this judge the rest of his life.
He's going to think about it, he's going to worry
about it. In your Nancy, I think too, there are
many people who are frightened right now of consequences from
P Diddy Combs. And I don't know if you know this,
but a lot of judges want security after court cases
like this because.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
They do feel threatened.
Speaker 13 (26:48):
So I think that's going to be weighing heavily on
this judge's mind.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Speaking of mob mentality, tastes of Tales, could you describe
what the so called mob did to you? Following a verdict.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
So yes, as everybody knows, I was accosted outside the courthouse,
and that was putting it lightly.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Scum did he supporting scum literally rolling around like the.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Mob from Beauty and the Beasts looking for me so
they could, according.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
To what they were telling their followers, lay their hands
and feet on me.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
What happened to Cassie was going to be nothing compared
to what they planned to.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Do to me, which is what they told me.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Okay, that was incredibly it was eye opening. Okay, now
at the time, thank goodness, I did have security, but
it was incredibly eye opening.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
A lot of Diddy's victims are saying they're worried.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
About what happens that did. He is vengeful, he is prabmatic.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
But more importantly, I saw the base of the fear,
the fact that he has a very loyal following of idiots.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
He did not have to give them.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
A penny, He doesn't even have to thank them, He doesn't.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Even have to know who they are. He is happy
they are happy.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
To do his bidding, or what he showed everybody what
his bidding is. I fear for the victims, I fear
for anybody that actually speaks out. Okay, Diddy and the
people around him, and my opinion, are not safe. And
that jury, like I've always said, sent a signal that
(28:23):
domestic violence isn't real violence. It's okay if you have
to use your hands and feet to put a woman
in their place. And that's scary to actually think that
you have a band of misfit, bumb losers who are
willing to do your bidding. At the end of the
day and interesting in love, I expect this to be
(28:44):
a new day.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Because it has come out that a lot of people
that were even trying to accost me attack me actually
have their own domestic violence cases coming up. Again, you
cannot make this up, but this is.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
The type of support that Sean Diddy Coalms brings out
for himself.
Speaker 15 (29:04):
There's no drug possession charges, there's no like assault, there's
not really charges that you can say, well, you know,
I don't want to send him to prison for fifteen years,
but I don't like him and he's a bad person,
so let's convict him of this and he'll get a
couple of years, which is very often what juries do.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
True. He may be no legal scholar that's from our
prophit on TikTok. But that's the point. This case is
not being determined or judged by legal scholars, is being
judged by twelve jurors joining me. In addition to TISA
tales outside the courthouse, an all star panel, let's go straight
(29:46):
out to Eric Fattus joining US veteran troal lawyer and
founding partner Varner Fattest elite legal. Eric. While we may
think the state has proven its case, it's really up
to the And I mean the Vegas odds are fifty
to fifty right now, and I think that may reflect
(30:09):
what's going on. So just because the climate inside the
courthouse is conviction oriented, Remember you're surrounded by bailiffs. Everybody
in the courthouse, many of them were for the state,
that doesn't mean that's the slant the jury's taking. Fattest.
Speaker 14 (30:27):
In fact, getting these takes you from the street and
from folks on YouTube. That could be a better glimpse
into how these laid jurors are actually seeing this case. Look,
this is an uphill battle. It's not a slam dunk
by any means. We're talking about allegations over the course
of decades. There are all these moving parts, thirty four
different witnesses, conflicting evidence, credibility issues. When you put all
(30:49):
of that together, it's difficult to meet that burden of
proof beyond a reasonable doubt, which is the highest burden
in the justice system.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, we know Shawn Combs has
been sweating bullets in the courtroom all day, continuously looking
over at the jury, darting his gaze over at them
throughout the judge's instructions. Joining me Danny Pinter, Senior VP
(31:21):
and Director of the Law Center at the National Center
on Sexual Exploitation. Danny, when you hear phrase, is like, oh,
she was gangster, straight up. She could take on two
three men at a time. She was a quote loose woman.
She got paid. Another moment, Agniffolo said he only hit
(31:43):
her twice, referring to I believe that was Jane. He
only hit her twice. That's the defense. Yeah.
Speaker 9 (31:51):
I found it honestly disgusting, and I hope the jury
does too.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
I think it was weak and unpersuasive, and the defense
went too far.
Speaker 9 (31:59):
The jury has to to contend with the facts, which
I think, you know, as a legal expert, I think
they do the prosecution.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Met their burden. But what story is the jury going
to believe? And does it defensually think the jury is
going to believe the story that Cassie Ventura had all
the power and it Diddy is the victim.
Speaker 6 (32:19):
I don't think anyone's buying.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Rob Shooter joining me host to a naughty but nice
podcast and you can find him at a substack. Rob
the daughters who have had to leave court several times
in tears during the testimony, that's a whole other can
of Worm's why he had his daughters and children in
there listening to the worst of the worst from the state.
They all dressed in black today, and I remember prosecuting.
(32:44):
I never wore like red, yellow, vibrant orange because the
cases I prosecuted were all violent felonies, and it just
seemed wrong. It just seemed inappropriate. And so it's a
very solemn note. And you know, oh that did he
orchestrated right down to what they were wearing.
Speaker 11 (33:05):
Yeah, I think you're right, Nancy. What I will say though,
here is that there's a little bit of performance going
on to with the kids. I don't want to go
after someone's kids for their parents' crimes. But it has
been on Dieted that post kids have had a really
amazing life because of their dad and because of what
their dad do and does and who their dad is.
(33:26):
These are not the von Trapp family. They have seen
a lot. These kids have been around his parties. They've
been around and.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
The von Trapp family. Did you just you're you're talking
about what the seven children oft? Excuse me? And sound
of music that would put on those frocks and seeing
and the family music. First of all, yeah, no, the
von Traps, they ain't. That's true. Go ahead.
Speaker 11 (33:55):
They aimed that this is a family that has been
around money, power, a celebrities, sex, violence, They've heard their
dads songs, they've wrapped along to other rap artists. These
are very aggressive lifestyles and they were born into this lifestyle,
so they're really used to seeing, hearing, and maybe even
(34:19):
participating in some very very very what we would consider
strange scene strange environments. So I wouldn't feel too bad
for the kids here. I think that they're part of
the Combes family. It's a deal that maybe they didn't
want to make, they had no choice in it, but
they've been born into this lifestyle and they have benefited
(34:40):
from their dad's success for his money.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
For you know, I'm very surprised you brought up the
von Trapp family. Weren't they raised by a nun sister
Maria remember her, a Julie Andrews. Okay, these children have
not been raised by a nun. Okay, But following up
on what you said to me, doctor Benthony Marshall, that
makes me feel for these children even more so because
(35:04):
they never had what I had. Of course, I grew
up on a red dirt road, drinking water from well
my grandfather dug in the backyard. Okay, but you know
what I did have. I had a mother that took
care of me and a father. Both of them worked
all day into the night, came home, had supper with us,
(35:27):
and they were there for me. I mean, it ain't
easy for my dad to work on the railroad and
my mom to work at a factory, right, but they did.
But we had love. These children never had that constant
in their life. Now they're sitting in their dad's felony trial.
A lot of people have asked me, Wow, how do
(35:48):
you feel about Christian cons putting you on a disc track.
I didn't see it that way at all. I didn't
see it as a disc at all. I saw it
as an adult son trying to take up for his father.
And I actually feel bad that they're in that position.
I need to Nancy.
Speaker 13 (36:04):
They've been raised in a culture of sex, abuse of violence,
a culture of narcissism, guns, multiple mothers, half siblings. You know,
it's just a very confusing environment. And you know this
is going to be a therapeutic experience for them sitting
in court because they have to take in all kinds
of information about it.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
You lost your mind? Have you lost your mind? You're
calling your father accused of sex trafficking therapeutic? Okay, yes,
I have call't Beverly Hills, and I was raised on
a dirt road. But I nothing therapeutic about hearing the
try about your father that he's extra.
Speaker 16 (36:41):
So I do, Nancy, because they have to be in reality.
They've been lived and they've been raised in an upside
down world. Listen to what Agniffholos said today. Okay, so
when he says that Cassie Ventura was just trying to
please her man, you know, just because your man wants
and you don't. But you're going to it to make
him happy. He's basically saying women need to take it up.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Okay.
Speaker 16 (37:05):
As an analyst, I hear all the metaphors. I help
those kids sitting in court carrying all this degradation of
women have a good therapist to talk to so they
can make.
Speaker 6 (37:16):
Sense of it.
Speaker 16 (37:17):
And all of us putting women down because Cassie van
Sura got twenty million dollars. You know, with Michael Jackson,
when he paid his first victim thirty million dollars, we
didn't say that nine.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Year old was a gold digger.
Speaker 16 (37:29):
We said Michael Jackson must have done something really, really
bad if he paid out thirty million dollars. And all
this money I think is because it's because p did.
He really needs to cover his tracks.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
The did he watch is counting down. We waked as
justice unfolds. But now we remember an American hero Trooper
Michael Stewart, Pennsylvania State PD, just twenty six, killed in
the line of duty after four years with Ellie, leaving
behind grieving parents Michael and Lynn. American hero trooper Michael
(38:07):
Stewart Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend.
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