May 12, 2025 • 43 mins
A jury has been seated in Sean "Diddy" Combs' sex-trafficking trial.
Prosecutors delivered their opening statements, followed by witness testimony. Still unclear is whether “Victim 3” will testify. A prosecutor said last week that both the witness and her attorney were missing.
“Victim 1,” Cassie Ventura, will be the prosecution's third witness. Combs’ team may try to counter her testimony by portraying her as confrontational and violent—someone with a personality too strong to be coerced.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Eric Faddis - Partner at Varner Faddis Elite Legal, Former Felony Prosecutor and Current Criminal Defense and Civil Litigation Attorney; Instagram: @e_fad @varnerfaddis; TikTok: @varnerfaddis
- Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst, Author: "Deal Breaker," and featured in hit show "Paris in Love" on Peacock; Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, X: @DrBethanyLive
- Robert Crispin - Private Investigator with “Crispin Special Investigations," Former Federal Task Force Officer for the United States Department of Justice [DEA and Miami Field Division], Former Homicide and Crimes against children investigator; Facebook: Crispin Special Investigations Inc.
- Lynn Shaw - Founder and Executive Director of Lynn's Warriors - an organization committed to ending human trafficking and sexual exploitation, Host of Lynn's Warriors on YouTube; X: @lynns_warriors Youtube: @LynnsWarriors
- Lauren Conlin - Investigative Journalist, Host of The Outlier Podcast, and also Host of "Corruption: What Happened to Grant Solomon; X- @Conlin_Lauren/ Instagram- @LaurenEmilyConlin/YouTube- @LaurenConlin4V
- Sydney Sumner - CrimeOnline Investigative Reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Diddy's ten million dollars defense starts today this as we
learn the jury is in fear of sitting on the
Ditty trial. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank
you for being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Cassie Ventura is set to take the stand, with prosecutors
expected to highlight a twenty sixteen hotel assault caught on video.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
The trial of Sean Combs started early this morning in
a Manhattan courtroom, a joining men all star panel to
make sense of what we know right now. Straight out
to Lauren Conlin, joining US co host Pop Crime TV. Lauren,
thank you for being with us. Tell me about what happened.
First thing this morning.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Cork began this morning with Diddy asking the judge for
more water or The judge said something like do you
have enough water? And he said, could I have some
Warrior on her? Diddy appeared to be wearing a light
cream colored sweater, which I thought was a great choice
for a defendant.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
He had his glasses on.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
He was looking through some paperwork at the beginning of
the morning, and he would turn around to smile at
his mom and wave to his family who were in
the front row. He gave a thumbs up at one point.
I actually saw Janis Colmes, his mother in the lobby
this morning, and she was wearing an all black suit
a black purse, and she looked like she was going
(01:33):
to a funeral. To be honest, I also want to
point out that when the jury walked in, Diddy did
not take his eyes off of them.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
He watched their every move.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
This as we are learning, the jury is actually in fear.
In fact, the judge was afraid to impanel a jury
on Friday, thinking they would back out with.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Cold feet over the weekend. Listen.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
The original plan was for jury selection to be completed
on Friday, but Ditty's lawyers for a delay, raising concerns
more jurors would get cold feet. Between Friday and Monday,
the court received an email from one potential juror asking
to be left off the panel for issues of personal
well being. According to the Combs Team, prosecutors strongly opposed
(02:16):
the delay. Judge on Run's Supermanian agreed with the defense.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Okay to Eric fattis, veteran trial lawyer joining me out
of the Denver, Colorado jurisdiction partner Varner Fattus elite legal
former prosecutor. That's not good when the jury is afraid
to be in the box. The jury box.
Speaker 6 (02:36):
Yeah, yikes. I mean, this is a high profile case.
There is a ton at stake, and Nancy I'm Cria
Wild called a judge, actually declined to give Diddy bond
because there were concerns that he was engaging in witness
tampering or witness intimidation. Those same concerns could translate to
this jury and it could cause them to get old
feed or otherwise be considering that when they're deciding the case,
(02:59):
which is obviously.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
It wouldn't be the first time that a jury had
been harassed, put in fear, or tampered with.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Listen.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
John Gotti earned the nickname Teflon Dawn after he was
acquitted in multiple trials, likely due to jury tampering and
witness intimidation. This seems to be confirmed when a juror
who helped to quit Gody in a racketeering case was
convicted of taking a bribe. Jimmy Hoffel was also charged
with unlawfully, wilfully and knowingly conspiring with six co conspirators
(03:30):
to influence members of a jury. He was accused of
offering ten thousand dollars to the families of two jurors
for an acquittal vote, and offering to get the police
husband of another juror a promotion. Clarence Darrow was in
the company of his chief investigator when the two men
were arrested for bribery. Darrow was defending brothers on bombing charges.
(03:50):
Police say Darrow's investigator passed four thousand dollars to a
prospective jury member for a not guilty vote.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
You would have to be living under a rock in
a cave on the other side of the world not
to know that there are allegations that Sean Combs ordered
a hit our murder on Tupac Shaker Listen Dwayne Keethy.
Speaker 7 (04:14):
D Davis claims credit for Tupac's murder on bet And
in his memoir, he says Puffy Combs wanted Knight and
Tupac's heads after their disc track hit them up. When
Davis offers to carry out the hits, Combs agrees to
pay him one million dollars. Davis Anderson, Terrence Brown, and
DeAndre Smith stake out the club where Shea Cour is performing,
(04:34):
but Tupac's a no show, driving down the strip, they
spot Night and Tupac stopped in traffic. Brown flips a
U turn in their white Cadillac. Davis passes Anderson the gun,
and Anderson leans over Smith to shoot Tupac.
Speaker 8 (04:46):
Who wiped it?
Speaker 9 (04:47):
Oh quick?
Speaker 2 (04:48):
You know it's not who brought up the amount of
one dollars.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
Heed Puffy Biggie ever involved in any of these conversations.
Speaker 8 (04:59):
That you know, because it's always just.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
This is all full you're doing straight out to Robert
Crispin joining US private investigator, former Federal Task Force officer USDJ,
also with Deea now at Crispin Special Investigations. Crispin, thank
you for being with us your state out in front
of Ditty's home there in Florida where it all started
(05:25):
with the bust, I want to hear how the neighbors
are taking today. But more important, you think if this
jury has seen the Cassie video and they all have
an opinion on it, you think they don't know about
the hit on Tupac's You cur.
Speaker 10 (05:41):
Yeah, that's going to kind of tie it in, isn't it.
And they're going to wonder, like, boy, that's kind of interesting.
Speaker 7 (05:47):
But you know, Nancy, I'm coming.
Speaker 10 (05:48):
To you live out in front of Diddy's house here
in Star Island in Miami Beach. And if today is
any indication of what's going on in Diddy's world as
his trial starts, it's a dark, rainy day. The neighbors
are really happy that there's no more attention, there's no
(06:10):
more late parties, three four day benders, the drugs in
that white gay behind me. That's where the Feds went
in with their shirt shard. That's where the drugs came out.
That's where the electronic evidence came out. That's where everything
started to unfold for Diddy before he got indicted.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
I just find it very difficult to believe that the
jury has seen the Cassie video already, which they're going
to see a trial anyway, that they don't know about
the hit on Tupac Shakur. Which gets to my point, Crispin,
that gurrrs one jurrr backed out and said he was
afraid for his own and his family's safety, got cold
(06:49):
feet and want it off the panel. And that's the
one that would speak out. Have you ever had a
case where gurrrs or witnesses were actually afraid?
Speaker 8 (07:00):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Absolutely, And that's a very real fear.
Speaker 10 (07:03):
Because if he's fould guilty, revenge is best served on
a cold plate, and these people are gonna be looking
over their shoulder all the time. In drug cases in Miami,
same thing. You want to sit there and look a
drug lord in the eye and convict him when you
have a wife, kids. These are everyday people that get
(07:24):
jury subpoenas and end up sitting on these high profile cases.
And there's a lot at stake when you hit either
that guilty or that not guilty box on that jury form.
That's an issue and I would be afraid to.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us a high profile PSYCHOANALYSTID of
the LA jurisdiction, author of deal Breaker. You can see
her currently on Peacock and find her at doctor Bethany
Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany, I think that the jury
wants to do the right thing. I think in their
heart of hearts they want to serve on the jury. Yes,
they want to be impartial, but the reality is when
(08:00):
you have a family at home, children, right, it's not
just about you any more. I've had jurrrs on gang
relady cases, gang cases say right up front, I've heard
about the case. I can't sit on this jury. I've
got children, they're very they were in inter city Atlanta,
Fulton County. I don't know if they're being upfront in
(08:22):
the ditty trial, but I do know that one juror
set I want off the panel because I'm afraid. I mean,
I think they want to do the right thing. But
when push comes to shove and it's going home to
their children and their family, I don't know. What do
you think? This is real?
Speaker 6 (08:40):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Very often, Bethany, you hear me say that's bs. That's
just in the movies, that's in a book. You know,
that's on a TV series, that doesn't happen in real life.
This actually happens. I know for a fact, Nancy.
Speaker 9 (08:50):
This is no fairy tale, This is no novel. This
is a real life story. And yes, jurors want to
do their civic duty. I think we all do. But
as I tell my patients and my practice, your duty
is always to your family first, above all, your spouse
and your children. Your job is to keep your family safe.
(09:11):
If you abdicate that role, who is going to be
there for them? And you know, not only are the
jurors at risk, the judge as at risk. You and
I have covered many cases where judges and their families
have been targeted. And then what about when the case
is over, These jurors forever will be known as the
(09:31):
people who either vindicated or convicted p didty And there
are people on both sides that will love and more
importantly hate them. And finally, Nancy, what about all those
celebrities who could be exposed throughout the course of this trial,
or if he did it gets convicted, information starts to
(09:53):
roll out. Those celebrities may have a vested interest in
quieting these drawers as well.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
This morning and all kicked off with Shawn Cone's walking
into the courtroom with a dry mouth asking for more water.
And I know for a fact that at every jury trial,
each side, state and defense has at least one huge
picture of ice, water and glasses, usually plastic glasses for
the lawyers and the defendant to have. So I'm wondering why,
(10:34):
first thing in the morning he needed a whole.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Nother picture of water.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Huh?
Speaker 1 (10:39):
What about it?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Lynn Shaw joining me, founder executive director Lynz Warriors, committed
to ending human trafficking exploitation of girls. Host of Lyn'z
Warriors on YouTube, Lynn, thank you for being with us.
Did he got a dry mouth? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Well did?
Speaker 9 (10:55):
He just wants to get up again and parade through
the courtroom and say he needs another bathroom break, so
everybody can look at him in his little pullover sweater,
his little gray hair, looking all pudgy or skinny. There's
varying reports, and try to gain sympathy with anybody in
this courtroom.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Why, just the other day.
Speaker 9 (11:12):
There was a pregnant local reporter here in New York
City and he was asking her or mouthing to her,
how are you doing or how are you feeling? Something
to that effect. So there's plenty of water, you know,
in the courtroom already another clever roost just to distract
away from the real story here victims, victims, victims, And
I just want to say something, being here in New
(11:32):
York City, living here for decades, there are many dirty
Diddy disciples lurking in the background who will get ready
to do some dirty deeds for him. No matter how
this goes, I would be very afraid anybody judges, jurors,
anybody in that courtroom, Reporters of this dirty ditty.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Joining us In additional Lauren Colin at the court house.
Sidney Suner joining us Crime Stories investigative reporter also on
the case, Sidney. I understand that first thing this morning,
Combs comes in demands a whole nother picture of water.
I wonder why he's got dry mouth. But that said,
his mother, his mother, Jana's Combs, also came into the courtroom.
(12:13):
In the past. She's been very flamboyant in her dress,
but she's taking a page out of Shawn Combs's playbook,
and it dressed like she's going to a funeral.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Sydney.
Speaker 11 (12:23):
That's right, Nancy dressed all in black.
Speaker 8 (12:26):
And Colm's mom isn't the only family member in attendance today.
Six of his children are also in the courtroom and
they're dressed very similarly. All of them walked in in
sunglasses and all of their clothing.
Speaker 11 (12:38):
Is black and white.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
They all had on sunglasses in the courtroom.
Speaker 11 (12:43):
At least as they were walking in.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
I want to go back to the fact that Shawn Combs,
that we know of, is laying at ten million dollars
for his defense. But your ours in fear back to
Sydney Summer joining US Crime Stories investigative report. This is
that's a big deal. Sidney Sumner. We know that one gerar,
as I said earlier, asked the judge, begged the judge
(13:06):
to be taken off the jury panel because he's got
a family.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
And got quote cold feet.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
But I know the defense struck a gerr that said
they had seen the Cassie video and that Combs looked
angry and hostile.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
They struck that gurrr.
Speaker 8 (13:23):
Yes, that juror is gone. They commented on that video
said Combs looks angry and hostile. But the government has
struck a candidate who said he heard about the Comb's
case on Joe Rogan's podcast.
Speaker 11 (13:37):
So we've already had a tit for tat.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
As if the jury didn't know about the Tupac Shaker hit,
the alleged hit where multiple witnesses say Combs ordered a
million dollar hit for Tupac Shaker's head and he got it.
What about the fact that these jars have seen they've
already seen the Cassie Ventira beat down. Did yeah listen?
Speaker 12 (14:00):
As potential jurors are questioned about their ability to maintain impartiality,
an obstacle quickly rears its head the video of Combs
attacking Cassie. Numerous potential jurors have seen the video and
formed opinions on it. Of those who have watched it,
only a few were able to say they did not
think it would affect their impartiality.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
The Cassie beat down a video from our friends at CNN.
We expect that particular version not to be introduced at trial.
Why because the defense said it had been sped up
and it wasn't in its original pristine form. Well, be
careful what you ask, my dear, for you will surely
get it now. The jury will probably see the entire
(14:40):
version in its entirety and in regular motion, right at
regular speed. They'll probably wish they had kept the sped
up CNN version. You know, Robert Crispin joining us there
at Shawn Combs's mansion in Florida. So they know about
the Tupac sh murder hit, a million dollar hit. They
(15:03):
know about the Cassie beat down video. They've seen it.
We've got one juror begging off the panel because he
got cold feet.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
The jury is afraid. They don't care that.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Seawn comes is spending ten million dollars on a defense
A slick defense.
Speaker 10 (15:20):
Yeah, well, I think, but the jury's starting to think,
as Wow, these are some violent people.
Speaker 7 (15:24):
What have I gotten myself into?
Speaker 10 (15:26):
Like I said before, that video was a gift to
the prosecution.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
But what that video does do it.
Speaker 10 (15:33):
Gives a look inside Vidi's real world when he thinks
nobody's watching, nobody's around and it's just him and his victim,
or him and an ex girlfriend, or him who doesn't
agree with him.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Explosive surveillance footage allegedly showing Combe's assaulting Ventura has been
admitted into evidence.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
The jury was finalized in the Shawanhomb's federal indictment try
at nine five a m. Straight out to Lauren Collins
standing by at the courthouse, Lauren, what happened?
Speaker 4 (16:07):
The opening statements for the prosecution said that we are
going to hear from Cassie this week along with another
witness named Jane. They said, we're going to hear or
we're going to see videos of these freak offs and
it's going to be very uncomfortable for a lot of people.
The prosecution also said things that I had never heard before.
(16:29):
They said things like Cassie was forced to allow an
escort to urinate in her mouth at one point, and
this was per the instructions of Sean Colmes. The other witness,
Jane is going to testify that she and Diddy got
into an altercation where he allegedly stomped on her face
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and that she would run into every single room, lock
the door. He would chase after her and kick the
door down, and it was it was very graphic.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Straight out to Lynn Shaw, founder director Lynz Warriors, committed
to ending sexual exploitation of girls and women. What it
sounds like he's going to college. He's wearing reading glasses.
Have you ever seen Sean Comes wearing reading glasses? Oh? Okay,
(17:23):
that's fake. And the sweater, the white shirt, the khaki pants.
Why is he a freshman at Harvard?
Speaker 9 (17:32):
Lynnshaw, Well, he's pretending to be one dirty Diddy. Listen,
none of us are fooled anymore, none of us. We
can all see through this. He's wearing reading glasses. I'm
sure it's plastic in the frames or clear glass. Nobody,
we're New Yorkers. This is a New York jury. We
do not get fooled, especially about this case. He has
(17:52):
been for decades now, since the early nineties on the lips.
I'm telling you of New Yorkers, so many people here
about him already. I don't know what he thinks he's doing.
None of this is going to help him. Let us
keep the focus on victim survivors, and not only the
alleged ones of this case, but of all victims and
survivors of all of this exploitation. Because Nancy, they are
(18:15):
seeking some kind of justice from this case. They want
some answers. They want somebody powerful money who has been
flaunting this in everybody's face, this exploitation. They want somebody
held accountable. And I say, dirty Diddy going down. This
is the case.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
To Eric Fattus, veteran try a lawyer, former prosecutor joining
us out of Colorado, Eric, I mean, what's next a
wheelchair and a neck brace.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
You can't go in there wearing a bejeweled cape or something, right,
this is court And another.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Take on it is that the fattest.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yeah, we would never want him to reveal his true self.
I mean, have you seen the met gallipachers that's the
real Seawan comes right there with the k going down
the steps. There you go, Yeah, so you just said
fat us, he can't go in wearing a cape.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Well why not, because that's what he normally wears.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
So you're going along with the eye chicking the mind
with him dressed up like a Harvard freshman.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
You know, I'm not sure that's what's going on here.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
Look, he doesn't have the Stylus hun retainer anymore, that's obvious.
But on top of that, maybe this is Diddy's true
self currently. You know, he is no longer this high profile,
powerful mogul with all these resources. He is incarcerated, He
is facing a serious federal trial and so his life
has changed. You know, he has gray in his hair.
My understanding this his appearance has been drastically transformed, and
(19:41):
that could just be a reflection of what's going on
around him, of the current state of his life. This
is who he is today, That's who those jurors are seeing.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
To doctor Bethany Marshall joining US high profile psychoanalyst, Doctor Bethany,
it seems trite, very trite that visual tricks are being
used on the khaki pants. You know, you heard Fata
say he doesn't have a stylist. I bet you, I
bet anything he.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Does have a stylist.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Those outfits were carefully chosen, very carefully chosen. Have you ever,
ever time immemorial, ever seen Sean Combs in a pullover
sweater and khaki pants, think back, use that time machine,
I mean all the way back, whether he's on stage
(20:32):
and the mcgwa walking around La or where Chrismin is
joining us down his Miami mansion. Never once. These are
serious charges, Bethany. I have seen women rape victims much
less with it video and in front of a whole
crowd of people while they're drugged according to the prosecution,
(20:56):
that basically stay.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Indoors the rest of their life. There is a profound
impact on rape victims.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
And there is Seawan Combs and a fake pair of
reading glasses.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
What's he doing reading proofst war in peace?
Speaker 2 (21:12):
I don't know. It's it's a trick and there's serious
charges here, Bethany.
Speaker 9 (21:19):
We know not only is it a trick, but it's manipulative,
and we know that if the allegations are true, Huff
Diddy is a manipulative person and may have hired manipulative
defense attorneys. And Drawors are not stupid, Nancy. They do
see through this. Drawors can feel bored, offended, devalued, treated
(21:42):
like they don't have minds, and they can't think. They
are not going to like that. And you know what
they also wouldn't like in the defense knows this. To
see a man with carrots and carrots of diamonds around
his neck in the form of a cross, who, then
you uses his power to exploit other people. That is
(22:04):
a very unsympathetic character, Nancy, And of course the defense
wants to hide that. The other thing is that I
think ordinary people tend to look at very wealthy people
with the suspicion that, maybe you know the saying under
beneath them, behind every great fortune lies a great crime.
(22:25):
The drawers can see that too, that how did he
did he get to the top, How did he approve
all this wealth? Why is he hanging around with people
who are some of the most vulnerable people you know
in society? So hey, this these defense attorneys have a
lot camouflage, and these jurors are going to see through it.
(22:46):
I guarantee that.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Joining us at the courthouse, Lauren Colin, Lauren tell me
about the challenge Sean Combs's defense team made to these gurrors.
He the fanstain. The late attorney argues that African Americans
were systematically excluded from the jury for racial reasons.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
What happened.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
They started with the jury strikes, and the defense points
it out that the FEDS or the government struck seven
black jurors.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Out of nine.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
So the prosecution gave their reasoning behind these strikes, and
it was very valid. I mean, some of these jurors
they had said something like they were going to lose
thirty percent of their income by being on this trial,
but that wasn't a concern for them, which actually led
the prosecution to say, well, I have questions about their
(23:43):
intent here in the fact that they might want to
be here for our ulterior reasons, or they might have
an ulterior motive.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Eric Fattus. This argument is as old as dirt, and
it has been addressed by the US Supreme Court in
Batson versus Kentucky b Brother atsa the Kentucky. In that case,
the prosecutor was accused of striking from the jury the
big the grand jury panel you know, of eighty to
(24:10):
one hundred people in order to get twelve for the
petit petite jury of twelve, striking for racial reasons, which
is unconstitutional. Therefore, whenever you strike anyone anybody. Whether they're white,
they're black, they're Asian, doesn't matter. You better have a
(24:31):
good reason for striking. When I struck juries, typically my
defendant was black. My victims usually there were more than
one were black. There was no real racial undercurrent going
on in the courtroom, so I didn't have a lot
of bats and arguments against me. But what the state
(24:54):
has to do, and I'm sure that they did, you
have to write. I would keep the jury uh list,
and what that is is a huge print out. I
don't know if they do them the same way in
your jurisdiction. I'm sure they do fattus where you have
the juror's name, whether they're married, maybe where they were,
whether they live, to ensure they live in that county
(25:16):
or that jurisdiction, re else they're not qualified for the jury.
Maybe a little bit more identifying information. But that said,
I would put notes, my notes beside each name, so
if there was a challenge, I could say, well, I
struck him because he doesn't have a job, and if
(25:36):
he can't show up to a job every day, then
why do I think he's going to show up to
court and pay attention? Or Jerr Fell asleep in Voodie
or jury selection or let's see, here's a good one.
Juror's husband convicted of rape. If I'm trying a rape case, yeah,
I don't want her on. So I would always keep notes,
(26:00):
brief notes beside each juror, whether.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
I wanted them or didn't want them, my impressions.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Of that juror as we were striking the jury, as
I was questioning them on voy Dyer. So bats In v. Kentucky.
Easy solution to have your reasons why you strugg as
you are when the challenge arises way in on bats
In v.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Kentucky.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Faddest, I'm sure you face it in court.
Speaker 6 (26:25):
Yeah, no, great, mind stickle like d Ancy. That's exactly
how I did it when I was a prosecutor. Because
here's the thing that's breason. A bats and challenge is
kind of a big deal because it's really insinuating that
the other side is kicking somebody off based on their race.
That that's you know, inflammatory and problematic, and so you
need to have a race neutral reason for excluding those folks.
(26:47):
You know, this wouldn't be the first time that the
defense has brought up race, and you know, historically for
race has played a role in the justice. So let's
be honest. And so you know, is the Diddy team
sort of using as one potential argument to this jury
in terms of why some rich black man is facing
these federal offenses. I think they're going to take that
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route in some former fast.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
The trial is just getting started, expected to last eight
weeks with a shocking testimony from accusers and insiders.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
On deck.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
Witness IREI is still missing. The court was informed last
week that prosecutors have lost communication and cannot locate her.
In fact, prosecutors cannot reach her attorney either, meaning they
are not sure Victim three will show up in court.
The woman does not live in New York. TMZ reports
the woman never wanted to appear in court at all,
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refusing to cooperate and never agreed to testify against Ditty.
Prosecutors said Victim three would disclose very personal and exclusive
details concerning abuse she suffered under calms plenty.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Of respect on harved eleven over at TMZ, but they
had to speak to her at some point and in
order to put her on the witness list. Right now,
the state is down a victim, victim gone, even though
we know at some point she had to speak to
the Feds.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Even the lawyer is not responding to calls.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Joining me there at Diddy's mansion in Florida, where the
neighbors are happy. This thing may finally be put to rest.
Robert Crispin joining US Christmins Special Investigations, former Federal Task
Course Officer, Department, US Department of Justice. Robert A witness,
not just a witness, but a victim is in the wind.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I've had it happen to me on a child sex
trafficking case.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
The victim disappeared and was in no show the first
day and a half of trial. Let me just say
I was out all night literally with my investigator, going
to every flop house in intercity Atlanta trying to find
the girl. We found her and went forward. Then I
would try the case all day long. We found her.
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Not so easy in the ditty case, This victim could
be anywhere in the US and the lawyer's not picking
up the phone.
Speaker 10 (29:11):
Yeah, we call that being scared to death. That's exactly
what that is. This person doesn't want to testify. She's
already related to the government that she doesn't want to
testify because if she testifies and he's found guilty, she's damned.
If they find him not guilty, she's damned because they
led a alleged sexual predator back on the street. It's
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a lose lose situation for a victim, and it's very intimidating,
very intimidating. Even though you're a victim with all the
victim's rights and the victim advocates, when it comes down
to you getting up and sitting in that chair and
raising your right hand and actually telling your story, it's
very intimidating. Not only is it intimidating, it brings up
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bad pass in your mind and in your heart.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
It's really something.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
That a lot of people, I don't want to be
president anymore intimidating. They all know what happened to Cassie Ventira, okay,
and that was at a public hotel. They know what
happened to her, No wonder she's disappeared and the lawyer's
not picking the phone up. And we know that even
from behind bars, prosecutors have produced evidence Combs is tampering
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with witnesses.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
Listen, Prosecutors say, even behind bars, Sean Combs has an
uncanny ability to get others to do his bidding. Diddy
has been accused of obstructing his sex trafficking case by
paying off witnesses and even enlisting his own children in
a public relations campaign, namely the video posted by seven
of his children wishing Dad a happy birthday in November.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Now we heard the fattest spout out that Shawnklins doesn't
have a stylist.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
BS.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
He does have a stylist. If he's focusing that much
on what he's wearing to court, you want to tell
me he hasn't tried to get to the victims. Listen.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
Prosecutors say evidence from Shawcom's cells shows the accused wrapper
made relentless efforts from jail to contact potential witnesses, including victims.
These methods reportedly involved three way calls, using other inmates'
phone access codes, a third party communications service, and directing
family members to contact potential witnesses. The aim to blackmail
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victims and witnesses into either silence or to provide testimony
helpful to Colmbs.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Speaking of getting to the victims straight out to Sydney's
summer joining US Crime Stories, investigative reporter Sydney isn't it true.
Prosecutors are planning to introduce evidence that.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Shawn Combs forced one of.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
His victims to undergo an unwanted medical procedure. I mean,
was it an abortion? I don't know, But what can
you tell me about that? If he could force a
victim to undergo an operation, a medical procedure, what makes
the state fink he's not trying to scare or intimidate
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the victims in this case, Sydney.
Speaker 11 (32:19):
No, that's right, Nancy.
Speaker 8 (32:20):
Prosecutors intend to introduce this evidence and we don't know
yet what that unwanted medical procedure was. You're completely right.
It definitely could have been an abortion, going along with
the fact that did he coerces all of these women
into unwanted sexual encounters and then doesn't want to keep
relationships with them. So prosecutors are introducing this to show
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that pattern of behavior, to show the level of control
that Sean Colms exerted over his victims. So that could
be really powerful in front of the jury.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
It was exactly ten twenty a m.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
This morning that the jury into the courtroom with Shawn
Combe standing at attention to impanel and swear in the jury.
This is a day that's been.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Long in coming.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
The state claims that decades of abuse of women and
so called free coughs have occurred. Finally, will there be
justice this as one of the victims disappears, can't.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Find her or her lawyer straight.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Out to Sidney Sumner, joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter,
I understand, in light victim number three a no show,
the state has added Victim five to the roster.
Speaker 8 (33:42):
Now, Victim five, who is not mentioned in charging documents,
will not be able to just replace Victim three. Judge
Sue Ermanian has ruled that they will not be able
to include all of the intended testimony, only part of it,
because this victim is a similar transaction.
Speaker 11 (34:00):
This victim will also not.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Be granted anonymity.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
We know that one of the victims is not asking
to testify under a pseudonym.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
It's Cassie Ventura.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Cassie Ventura is heavily pregnant at this juncture, and her
cross examination by the defense is going to be very tricky. Listen,
when you have a pregnant lady, a mom up on
the stand, I mean, you know how cruel can you be?
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You can't really, you know, shredder on the stand that
my friends at to be. And of course Mark Gira
goes giving a very vague answer on that. But Eric fattis,
if the defense team comes across as bullying Cassie Ventura,
that's going to totally play against Coums.
Speaker 6 (34:55):
That's going to rub the journy the wrong way.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Absolutely.
Speaker 6 (34:58):
I mean, not only do you have the superstar already
sympathetic victim, but there's a video of her being brutalized,
and the person being brutalized is going to be on
the stand, pregnant, telling you how she was verbally and
sexually brutalized. And so it's going to be a delicate
dance here. The defense has to kind of approach this
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in a sensitive fashion but also be firm enough to
get their points across. And so the balance to be
struck here cannot be understated.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Well, I got to say this to doctor Bethany Marshall,
Cassie Ventura is going to be able to handle whatever
they throw at her. She is the one that broke
the whole thing wide open when she filed that civil lawsuit.
And basically the Feds had a red flag waved in
front of them like a bull because it was out
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there and they were left looking emasculated. They had done nothing.
And here's this video. Let's take a look at the
video wherever buddy this is coming into court in a
different iteration. There you see Cassie Ventura. Oh and here
he comes. Thank goodness that towel didn't slip. She's trying
(36:13):
to get away reportedly from a freak cough. Now, Giragos
tells me it wasn't a freak cough at all, that she.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Was the aggressor.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
She Cassie Ventura is the aggressor in this video. She,
according to Giragos, was angry when she saw Combs had
gotten text from another woman. Okay, she looks like she
weighs about one hundred pounds soaking wet in that video.
But yet Giago said, with a straight face, this is
(36:48):
from my friends at seeing n by the way, a
straight face, that she was the aggressor. Now, okay, I'm
doctor Beth Gara Goes. His daughter is all the defense
taing Tenny. Gary Goes is saying that that you're not
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saying what you think you're seeing.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
She's actually the aggressor in that video.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Really, are they actually gonna say that to a jury.
One hundred pound Cassie is giving Diddy the beat down.
Speaker 9 (37:21):
I sell like a broken record, But Nancy, jurors are
not stupid, and jurors can feel like they're being kind
of manipulated or mistreated, and I think the defense should
be very careful with this line of reasoning. You know,
the truth is, you see this young Cassie Ventura running
for her life with bear feet. The allegations that he
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was on the phone doing business deals while he coursed
her into having sex with somebody else while he was
watching could come out. He kicks her in the back,
she has to pretend to play dead. He drags her
back down the hallway, and then.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
The jurors see this.
Speaker 9 (38:01):
Resilient woman who has re established her life, probably has
a new relationship, is going to create a family. This
is a woman to be admired. She rose above the trauma,
she did the work, whatever she did to reconstitute herself.
She is a very admirabley witness. So they are going
to hang on every single word, Nancy, because most victims
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do not establish themselves like this Bonachelle.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
In the courtroom, the defense is actually going to argue
that Cassie Ventura was the aggressor, that she was the
one giving Sean Combs the beatdown. What JURR is going
to believe that, especially in light of this.
Speaker 13 (38:48):
It's so difficult to reflect on the darkest times in
your life. Sometimes you got to do that. I was,
I mean, I hit rock bottom, but I made no excuses.
My behavior on that video is inexcusable. I take full
(39:09):
responsibility for my ashes in that video.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
I'm disgusted.
Speaker 13 (39:16):
I was disgusted then when I did it.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
I'm disgusting now.
Speaker 10 (39:22):
And went in.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
I sought out professional help.
Speaker 13 (39:26):
And to go into therapy. I'm going to rehab. Had
asked God for his mercy and grace.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Second verse same as the first. So if he didn't
do it, why is he apologizing for it? And that
song comes as official Instagram? I wonder if they're going
to play that. We know the Cassie material tape is
in straight back out to Lauren Collins standing by. I
understand the courtroom holes about one hundred people, and I
guess it was.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Packed, right, Okay, we'll get the answer to that.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
You know, I'm hearing Lynn Shaw Combs in that video
stating he wants to be a better person. He's disgusted
with himself. He's going to rehab. But yet that'side on
one side of his mouth. The other side of his mouth,
he's actually going to argue to the jury that Cassie
was the violent one.
Speaker 9 (40:23):
Please stop, Nancy, because I'm getting sick. I'm getting sick
watching that video over and over again. We have to
remember people are visual. Once they see that video, this
will stick in their minds Now, Listen, we work with
a lot of survivors and victims at the Warriors. What
do they tell me repeatedly when they are being attacked,
They played dead. They do not move. They don't want
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to further and rage that person. They don't want more beatings,
so they remain very still.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Where is her video of her beating him?
Speaker 2 (40:54):
That's what I want to know.
Speaker 9 (40:55):
Why is this playbook the same thing we're in court?
A lot flipped on putting it on the victim. Oh,
it's their fault. They caused me to do it. That's consensual.
You know what the jury again, like doctor Bethany said,
like I'm saying as a New Yorker, new Yorkers are smart,
They're not going to buy this. And you know what,
dirty Diddy going down Sidney Sumner.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Where are we getting the ten million dollar defense bill?
Speaker 9 (41:20):
Nancy.
Speaker 8 (41:21):
That's coming from several expert defense attorneys who all believe
that each day of trial could be costing homes more
than one hundred thousand dollars. This is coming top lawyers
charge million dollar reteamers for complex federal cases like this.
They charge about sixteen hundred dollars an hour in their
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support staff behind them costs about half that much per hour.
So several people agree that a ten million dollar price
tag is a reasonable estimate.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Whoa fatness.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
I don't know about you, but I got paid just
to seem like a little over minimum wage if you
equal it out over all the overtime hours I worked
as a prosecutor. I had two nine jobs teaching school
at night to pay the house and the car note.
Ten million dollars. They better, they better produce.
Speaker 6 (42:14):
This is a high price tag, no question. But it's
a very complex case. You know that the decades, excuse me,
the the allegations span decades. There are umpteen witnesses, several jurisdictions.
It's just very involved, and so surely it is going
to warrant a high feed from the attorneys and they're
going to have to come with it because ten million dollars,
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you know, a person expects results.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
All, like I say, is they better bring it.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
We wait as justice unfolds.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
And now we remember an American hero Patrol Officer, Stephen
Artil Brentwood PD in Hampshire, shot and killed in the
line of duty. Served law enforcement seventeen years, leaving behind
wife turned widow, Heather, daughters Kimberly and Lauren. American hero
role officer Stephen Arkell. Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Diddy's ten million dollars defense starts today this as we
learn the jury is in fear of sitting on the
Ditty trial. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank
you for being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Cassie Ventura is set to take the stand, with prosecutors
expected to highlight a twenty sixteen hotel assault caught on video.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
The trial of Sean Combs started early this morning in
a Manhattan courtroom, a joining men all star panel to
make sense of what we know right now. Straight out
to Lauren Conlin, joining US co host Pop Crime TV. Lauren,
thank you for being with us. Tell me about what happened.
First thing this morning.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Cork began this morning with Diddy asking the judge for
more water or The judge said something like do you
have enough water? And he said, could I have some
Warrior on her? Diddy appeared to be wearing a light
cream colored sweater, which I thought was a great choice
for a defendant.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
He had his glasses on.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
He was looking through some paperwork at the beginning of
the morning, and he would turn around to smile at
his mom and wave to his family who were in
the front row. He gave a thumbs up at one point.
I actually saw Janis Colmes, his mother in the lobby
this morning, and she was wearing an all black suit
a black purse, and she looked like she was going
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to a funeral. To be honest, I also want to
point out that when the jury walked in, Diddy did
not take his eyes off of them.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
He watched their every move.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
This as we are learning, the jury is actually in fear.
In fact, the judge was afraid to impanel a jury
on Friday, thinking they would back out with.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Cold feet over the weekend. Listen.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
The original plan was for jury selection to be completed
on Friday, but Ditty's lawyers for a delay, raising concerns
more jurors would get cold feet. Between Friday and Monday,
the court received an email from one potential juror asking
to be left off the panel for issues of personal
well being. According to the Combs Team, prosecutors strongly opposed
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the delay. Judge on Run's Supermanian agreed with the defense.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Okay to Eric fattis, veteran trial lawyer joining me out
of the Denver, Colorado jurisdiction partner Varner Fattus elite legal
former prosecutor. That's not good when the jury is afraid
to be in the box. The jury box.
Speaker 6 (02:36):
Yeah, yikes. I mean, this is a high profile case.
There is a ton at stake, and Nancy I'm Cria
Wild called a judge, actually declined to give Diddy bond
because there were concerns that he was engaging in witness
tampering or witness intimidation. Those same concerns could translate to
this jury and it could cause them to get old
feed or otherwise be considering that when they're deciding the case,
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which is obviously.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
It wouldn't be the first time that a jury had
been harassed, put in fear, or tampered with.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Listen.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
John Gotti earned the nickname Teflon Dawn after he was
acquitted in multiple trials, likely due to jury tampering and
witness intimidation. This seems to be confirmed when a juror
who helped to quit Gody in a racketeering case was
convicted of taking a bribe. Jimmy Hoffel was also charged
with unlawfully, wilfully and knowingly conspiring with six co conspirators
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to influence members of a jury. He was accused of
offering ten thousand dollars to the families of two jurors
for an acquittal vote, and offering to get the police
husband of another juror a promotion. Clarence Darrow was in
the company of his chief investigator when the two men
were arrested for bribery. Darrow was defending brothers on bombing charges.
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Police say Darrow's investigator passed four thousand dollars to a
prospective jury member for a not guilty vote.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
You would have to be living under a rock in
a cave on the other side of the world not
to know that there are allegations that Sean Combs ordered
a hit our murder on Tupac Shaker Listen Dwayne Keethy.
Speaker 7 (04:14):
D Davis claims credit for Tupac's murder on bet And
in his memoir, he says Puffy Combs wanted Knight and
Tupac's heads after their disc track hit them up. When
Davis offers to carry out the hits, Combs agrees to
pay him one million dollars. Davis Anderson, Terrence Brown, and
DeAndre Smith stake out the club where Shea Cour is performing,
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but Tupac's a no show, driving down the strip, they
spot Night and Tupac stopped in traffic. Brown flips a
U turn in their white Cadillac. Davis passes Anderson the gun,
and Anderson leans over Smith to shoot Tupac.
Speaker 8 (04:46):
Who wiped it?
Speaker 9 (04:47):
Oh quick?
Speaker 2 (04:48):
You know it's not who brought up the amount of
one dollars.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
Heed Puffy Biggie ever involved in any of these conversations.
Speaker 8 (04:59):
That you know, because it's always just.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
This is all full you're doing straight out to Robert
Crispin joining US private investigator, former Federal Task Force officer USDJ,
also with Deea now at Crispin Special Investigations. Crispin, thank
you for being with us your state out in front
of Ditty's home there in Florida where it all started
(05:25):
with the bust, I want to hear how the neighbors
are taking today. But more important, you think if this
jury has seen the Cassie video and they all have
an opinion on it, you think they don't know about
the hit on Tupac's You cur.
Speaker 10 (05:41):
Yeah, that's going to kind of tie it in, isn't it.
And they're going to wonder, like, boy, that's kind of interesting.
Speaker 7 (05:47):
But you know, Nancy, I'm coming.
Speaker 10 (05:48):
To you live out in front of Diddy's house here
in Star Island in Miami Beach. And if today is
any indication of what's going on in Diddy's world as
his trial starts, it's a dark, rainy day. The neighbors
are really happy that there's no more attention, there's no
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more late parties, three four day benders, the drugs in
that white gay behind me. That's where the Feds went
in with their shirt shard. That's where the drugs came out.
That's where the electronic evidence came out. That's where everything
started to unfold for Diddy before he got indicted.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
I just find it very difficult to believe that the
jury has seen the Cassie video already, which they're going
to see a trial anyway, that they don't know about
the hit on Tupac Shakur. Which gets to my point, Crispin,
that gurrrs one jurrr backed out and said he was
afraid for his own and his family's safety, got cold
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feet and want it off the panel. And that's the
one that would speak out. Have you ever had a
case where gurrrs or witnesses were actually afraid?
Speaker 8 (07:00):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Absolutely, And that's a very real fear.
Speaker 10 (07:03):
Because if he's fould guilty, revenge is best served on
a cold plate, and these people are gonna be looking
over their shoulder all the time. In drug cases in Miami,
same thing. You want to sit there and look a
drug lord in the eye and convict him when you
have a wife, kids. These are everyday people that get
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jury subpoenas and end up sitting on these high profile cases.
And there's a lot at stake when you hit either
that guilty or that not guilty box on that jury form.
That's an issue and I would be afraid to.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us a high profile PSYCHOANALYSTID of
the LA jurisdiction, author of deal Breaker. You can see
her currently on Peacock and find her at doctor Bethany
Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany, I think that the jury
wants to do the right thing. I think in their
heart of hearts they want to serve on the jury. Yes,
they want to be impartial, but the reality is when
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you have a family at home, children, right, it's not
just about you any more. I've had jurrrs on gang
relady cases, gang cases say right up front, I've heard
about the case. I can't sit on this jury. I've
got children, they're very they were in inter city Atlanta,
Fulton County. I don't know if they're being upfront in
(08:22):
the ditty trial, but I do know that one juror
set I want off the panel because I'm afraid. I mean,
I think they want to do the right thing. But
when push comes to shove and it's going home to
their children and their family, I don't know. What do
you think? This is real?
Speaker 6 (08:40):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Very often, Bethany, you hear me say that's bs. That's
just in the movies, that's in a book. You know,
that's on a TV series, that doesn't happen in real life.
This actually happens. I know for a fact, Nancy.
Speaker 9 (08:50):
This is no fairy tale, This is no novel. This
is a real life story. And yes, jurors want to
do their civic duty. I think we all do. But
as I tell my patients and my practice, your duty
is always to your family first, above all, your spouse
and your children. Your job is to keep your family safe.
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If you abdicate that role, who is going to be
there for them? And you know, not only are the
jurors at risk, the judge as at risk. You and
I have covered many cases where judges and their families
have been targeted. And then what about when the case
is over, These jurors forever will be known as the
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people who either vindicated or convicted p didty And there
are people on both sides that will love and more
importantly hate them. And finally, Nancy, what about all those
celebrities who could be exposed throughout the course of this trial,
or if he did it gets convicted, information starts to
(09:53):
roll out. Those celebrities may have a vested interest in
quieting these drawers as well.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
This morning and all kicked off with Shawn Cone's walking
into the courtroom with a dry mouth asking for more water.
And I know for a fact that at every jury trial,
each side, state and defense has at least one huge
picture of ice, water and glasses, usually plastic glasses for
the lawyers and the defendant to have. So I'm wondering why,
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first thing in the morning he needed a whole.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Nother picture of water.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Huh?
Speaker 1 (10:39):
What about it?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Lynn Shaw joining me, founder executive director Lynz Warriors, committed
to ending human trafficking exploitation of girls. Host of Lyn'z
Warriors on YouTube, Lynn, thank you for being with us.
Did he got a dry mouth? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Well did?
Speaker 9 (10:55):
He just wants to get up again and parade through
the courtroom and say he needs another bathroom break, so
everybody can look at him in his little pullover sweater,
his little gray hair, looking all pudgy or skinny. There's
varying reports, and try to gain sympathy with anybody in
this courtroom.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Why, just the other day.
Speaker 9 (11:12):
There was a pregnant local reporter here in New York
City and he was asking her or mouthing to her,
how are you doing or how are you feeling? Something
to that effect. So there's plenty of water, you know,
in the courtroom already another clever roost just to distract
away from the real story here victims, victims, victims, And
I just want to say something, being here in New
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York City, living here for decades, there are many dirty
Diddy disciples lurking in the background who will get ready
to do some dirty deeds for him. No matter how
this goes, I would be very afraid anybody judges, jurors,
anybody in that courtroom, Reporters of this dirty ditty.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Joining us In additional Lauren Colin at the court house.
Sidney Suner joining us Crime Stories investigative reporter also on
the case, Sidney. I understand that first thing this morning,
Combs comes in demands a whole nother picture of water.
I wonder why he's got dry mouth. But that said,
his mother, his mother, Jana's Combs, also came into the courtroom.
(12:13):
In the past. She's been very flamboyant in her dress,
but she's taking a page out of Shawn Combs's playbook,
and it dressed like she's going to a funeral.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Sydney.
Speaker 11 (12:23):
That's right, Nancy dressed all in black.
Speaker 8 (12:26):
And Colm's mom isn't the only family member in attendance today.
Six of his children are also in the courtroom and
they're dressed very similarly. All of them walked in in
sunglasses and all of their clothing.
Speaker 11 (12:38):
Is black and white.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
They all had on sunglasses in the courtroom.
Speaker 11 (12:43):
At least as they were walking in.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
I want to go back to the fact that Shawn Combs,
that we know of, is laying at ten million dollars
for his defense. But your ours in fear back to
Sydney Summer joining US Crime Stories investigative report. This is
that's a big deal. Sidney Sumner. We know that one gerar,
as I said earlier, asked the judge, begged the judge
(13:06):
to be taken off the jury panel because he's got
a family.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
And got quote cold feet.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
But I know the defense struck a gerr that said
they had seen the Cassie video and that Combs looked
angry and hostile.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
They struck that gurrr.
Speaker 8 (13:23):
Yes, that juror is gone. They commented on that video
said Combs looks angry and hostile. But the government has
struck a candidate who said he heard about the Comb's
case on Joe Rogan's podcast.
Speaker 11 (13:37):
So we've already had a tit for tat.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
As if the jury didn't know about the Tupac Shaker hit,
the alleged hit where multiple witnesses say Combs ordered a
million dollar hit for Tupac Shaker's head and he got it.
What about the fact that these jars have seen they've
already seen the Cassie Ventira beat down. Did yeah listen?
Speaker 12 (14:00):
As potential jurors are questioned about their ability to maintain impartiality,
an obstacle quickly rears its head the video of Combs
attacking Cassie. Numerous potential jurors have seen the video and
formed opinions on it. Of those who have watched it,
only a few were able to say they did not
think it would affect their impartiality.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
The Cassie beat down a video from our friends at CNN.
We expect that particular version not to be introduced at trial.
Why because the defense said it had been sped up
and it wasn't in its original pristine form. Well, be
careful what you ask, my dear, for you will surely
get it now. The jury will probably see the entire
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version in its entirety and in regular motion, right at
regular speed. They'll probably wish they had kept the sped
up CNN version. You know, Robert Crispin joining us there
at Shawn Combs's mansion in Florida. So they know about
the Tupac sh murder hit, a million dollar hit. They
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know about the Cassie beat down video. They've seen it.
We've got one juror begging off the panel because he
got cold feet.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
The jury is afraid. They don't care that.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Seawn comes is spending ten million dollars on a defense
A slick defense.
Speaker 10 (15:20):
Yeah, well, I think, but the jury's starting to think,
as Wow, these are some violent people.
Speaker 7 (15:24):
What have I gotten myself into?
Speaker 10 (15:26):
Like I said before, that video was a gift to
the prosecution.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
But what that video does do it.
Speaker 10 (15:33):
Gives a look inside Vidi's real world when he thinks
nobody's watching, nobody's around and it's just him and his victim,
or him and an ex girlfriend, or him who doesn't
agree with him.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Explosive surveillance footage allegedly showing Combe's assaulting Ventura has been
admitted into evidence.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
The jury was finalized in the Shawanhomb's federal indictment try
at nine five a m. Straight out to Lauren Collins
standing by at the courthouse, Lauren, what happened?
Speaker 4 (16:07):
The opening statements for the prosecution said that we are
going to hear from Cassie this week along with another
witness named Jane. They said, we're going to hear or
we're going to see videos of these freak offs and
it's going to be very uncomfortable for a lot of people.
The prosecution also said things that I had never heard before.
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They said things like Cassie was forced to allow an
escort to urinate in her mouth at one point, and
this was per the instructions of Sean Colmes. The other witness,
Jane is going to testify that she and Diddy got
into an altercation where he allegedly stomped on her face
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and that she would run into every single room, lock
the door. He would chase after her and kick the
door down, and it was it was very graphic.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Straight out to Lynn Shaw, founder director Lynz Warriors, committed
to ending sexual exploitation of girls and women. What it
sounds like he's going to college. He's wearing reading glasses.
Have you ever seen Sean Comes wearing reading glasses? Oh? Okay,
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that's fake. And the sweater, the white shirt, the khaki pants.
Why is he a freshman at Harvard?
Speaker 9 (17:32):
Lynnshaw, Well, he's pretending to be one dirty Diddy. Listen,
none of us are fooled anymore, none of us. We
can all see through this. He's wearing reading glasses. I'm
sure it's plastic in the frames or clear glass. Nobody,
we're New Yorkers. This is a New York jury. We
do not get fooled, especially about this case. He has
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been for decades now, since the early nineties on the lips.
I'm telling you of New Yorkers, so many people here
about him already. I don't know what he thinks he's doing.
None of this is going to help him. Let us
keep the focus on victim survivors, and not only the
alleged ones of this case, but of all victims and
survivors of all of this exploitation. Because Nancy, they are
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seeking some kind of justice from this case. They want
some answers. They want somebody powerful money who has been
flaunting this in everybody's face, this exploitation. They want somebody
held accountable. And I say, dirty Diddy going down. This
is the case.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
To Eric Fattus, veteran try a lawyer, former prosecutor joining
us out of Colorado, Eric, I mean, what's next a
wheelchair and a neck brace.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
You can't go in there wearing a bejeweled cape or something, right,
this is court And another.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Take on it is that the fattest.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yeah, we would never want him to reveal his true self.
I mean, have you seen the met gallipachers that's the
real Seawan comes right there with the k going down
the steps. There you go, Yeah, so you just said
fat us, he can't go in wearing a cape.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Well why not, because that's what he normally wears.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
So you're going along with the eye chicking the mind
with him dressed up like a Harvard freshman.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
You know, I'm not sure that's what's going on here.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
Look, he doesn't have the Stylus hun retainer anymore, that's obvious.
But on top of that, maybe this is Diddy's true
self currently. You know, he is no longer this high profile,
powerful mogul with all these resources. He is incarcerated, He
is facing a serious federal trial and so his life
has changed. You know, he has gray in his hair.
My understanding this his appearance has been drastically transformed, and
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that could just be a reflection of what's going on
around him, of the current state of his life. This
is who he is today, That's who those jurors are seeing.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
To doctor Bethany Marshall joining US high profile psychoanalyst, Doctor Bethany,
it seems trite, very trite that visual tricks are being
used on the khaki pants. You know, you heard Fata
say he doesn't have a stylist. I bet you, I
bet anything he.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Does have a stylist.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Those outfits were carefully chosen, very carefully chosen. Have you ever,
ever time immemorial, ever seen Sean Combs in a pullover
sweater and khaki pants, think back, use that time machine,
I mean all the way back, whether he's on stage
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and the mcgwa walking around La or where Chrismin is
joining us down his Miami mansion. Never once. These are
serious charges, Bethany. I have seen women rape victims much
less with it video and in front of a whole
crowd of people while they're drugged according to the prosecution,
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that basically stay.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Indoors the rest of their life. There is a profound
impact on rape victims.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
And there is Seawan Combs and a fake pair of
reading glasses.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
What's he doing reading proofst war in peace?
Speaker 2 (21:12):
I don't know. It's it's a trick and there's serious
charges here, Bethany.
Speaker 9 (21:19):
We know not only is it a trick, but it's manipulative,
and we know that if the allegations are true, Huff
Diddy is a manipulative person and may have hired manipulative
defense attorneys. And Drawors are not stupid, Nancy. They do
see through this. Drawors can feel bored, offended, devalued, treated
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like they don't have minds, and they can't think. They
are not going to like that. And you know what
they also wouldn't like in the defense knows this. To
see a man with carrots and carrots of diamonds around
his neck in the form of a cross, who, then
you uses his power to exploit other people. That is
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a very unsympathetic character, Nancy, And of course the defense
wants to hide that. The other thing is that I
think ordinary people tend to look at very wealthy people
with the suspicion that, maybe you know the saying under
beneath them, behind every great fortune lies a great crime.
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The drawers can see that too, that how did he
did he get to the top, How did he approve
all this wealth? Why is he hanging around with people
who are some of the most vulnerable people you know
in society? So hey, this these defense attorneys have a
lot camouflage, and these jurors are going to see through it.
(22:46):
I guarantee that.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Joining us at the courthouse, Lauren Colin, Lauren tell me
about the challenge Sean Combs's defense team made to these gurrors.
He the fanstain. The late attorney argues that African Americans
were systematically excluded from the jury for racial reasons.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
What happened.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
They started with the jury strikes, and the defense points
it out that the FEDS or the government struck seven
black jurors.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Out of nine.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
So the prosecution gave their reasoning behind these strikes, and
it was very valid. I mean, some of these jurors
they had said something like they were going to lose
thirty percent of their income by being on this trial,
but that wasn't a concern for them, which actually led
the prosecution to say, well, I have questions about their
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intent here in the fact that they might want to
be here for our ulterior reasons, or they might have
an ulterior motive.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Eric Fattus. This argument is as old as dirt, and
it has been addressed by the US Supreme Court in
Batson versus Kentucky b Brother atsa the Kentucky. In that case,
the prosecutor was accused of striking from the jury the
big the grand jury panel you know, of eighty to
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one hundred people in order to get twelve for the
petit petite jury of twelve, striking for racial reasons, which
is unconstitutional. Therefore, whenever you strike anyone anybody. Whether they're white,
they're black, they're Asian, doesn't matter. You better have a
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good reason for striking. When I struck juries, typically my
defendant was black. My victims usually there were more than
one were black. There was no real racial undercurrent going
on in the courtroom, so I didn't have a lot
of bats and arguments against me. But what the state
(24:54):
has to do, and I'm sure that they did, you
have to write. I would keep the jury uh list,
and what that is is a huge print out. I
don't know if they do them the same way in
your jurisdiction. I'm sure they do fattus where you have
the juror's name, whether they're married, maybe where they were,
whether they live, to ensure they live in that county
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or that jurisdiction, re else they're not qualified for the jury.
Maybe a little bit more identifying information. But that said,
I would put notes, my notes beside each name, so
if there was a challenge, I could say, well, I
struck him because he doesn't have a job, and if
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he can't show up to a job every day, then
why do I think he's going to show up to
court and pay attention? Or Jerr Fell asleep in Voodie
or jury selection or let's see, here's a good one.
Juror's husband convicted of rape. If I'm trying a rape case, yeah,
I don't want her on. So I would always keep notes,
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brief notes beside each juror, whether.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
I wanted them or didn't want them, my impressions.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Of that juror as we were striking the jury, as
I was questioning them on voy Dyer. So bats In v. Kentucky.
Easy solution to have your reasons why you strugg as
you are when the challenge arises way in on bats
In v.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Kentucky.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Faddest, I'm sure you face it in court.
Speaker 6 (26:25):
Yeah, no, great, mind stickle like d Ancy. That's exactly
how I did it when I was a prosecutor. Because
here's the thing that's breason. A bats and challenge is
kind of a big deal because it's really insinuating that
the other side is kicking somebody off based on their race.
That that's you know, inflammatory and problematic, and so you
need to have a race neutral reason for excluding those folks.
(26:47):
You know, this wouldn't be the first time that the
defense has brought up race, and you know, historically for
race has played a role in the justice. So let's
be honest. And so you know, is the Diddy team
sort of using as one potential argument to this jury
in terms of why some rich black man is facing
these federal offenses. I think they're going to take that
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route in some former fast.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
The trial is just getting started, expected to last eight
weeks with a shocking testimony from accusers and insiders.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
On deck.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
Witness IREI is still missing. The court was informed last
week that prosecutors have lost communication and cannot locate her.
In fact, prosecutors cannot reach her attorney either, meaning they
are not sure Victim three will show up in court.
The woman does not live in New York. TMZ reports
the woman never wanted to appear in court at all,
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refusing to cooperate and never agreed to testify against Ditty.
Prosecutors said Victim three would disclose very personal and exclusive
details concerning abuse she suffered under calms plenty.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Of respect on harved eleven over at TMZ, but they
had to speak to her at some point and in
order to put her on the witness list. Right now,
the state is down a victim, victim gone, even though
we know at some point she had to speak to
the Feds.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Even the lawyer is not responding to calls.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Joining me there at Diddy's mansion in Florida, where the
neighbors are happy. This thing may finally be put to rest.
Robert Crispin joining US Christmins Special Investigations, former Federal Task
Course Officer, Department, US Department of Justice. Robert A witness,
not just a witness, but a victim is in the wind.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I've had it happen to me on a child sex
trafficking case.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
The victim disappeared and was in no show the first
day and a half of trial. Let me just say
I was out all night literally with my investigator, going
to every flop house in intercity Atlanta trying to find
the girl. We found her and went forward. Then I
would try the case all day long. We found her.
(29:04):
Not so easy in the ditty case, This victim could
be anywhere in the US and the lawyer's not picking
up the phone.
Speaker 10 (29:11):
Yeah, we call that being scared to death. That's exactly
what that is. This person doesn't want to testify. She's
already related to the government that she doesn't want to
testify because if she testifies and he's found guilty, she's damned.
If they find him not guilty, she's damned because they
led a alleged sexual predator back on the street. It's
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a lose lose situation for a victim, and it's very intimidating,
very intimidating. Even though you're a victim with all the
victim's rights and the victim advocates, when it comes down
to you getting up and sitting in that chair and
raising your right hand and actually telling your story, it's
very intimidating. Not only is it intimidating, it brings up
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bad pass in your mind and in your heart.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
It's really something.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
That a lot of people, I don't want to be
president anymore intimidating. They all know what happened to Cassie Ventira, okay,
and that was at a public hotel. They know what
happened to her, No wonder she's disappeared and the lawyer's
not picking the phone up. And we know that even
from behind bars, prosecutors have produced evidence Combs is tampering
(30:23):
with witnesses.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
Listen, Prosecutors say, even behind bars, Sean Combs has an
uncanny ability to get others to do his bidding. Diddy
has been accused of obstructing his sex trafficking case by
paying off witnesses and even enlisting his own children in
a public relations campaign, namely the video posted by seven
of his children wishing Dad a happy birthday in November.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Now we heard the fattest spout out that Shawnklins doesn't
have a stylist.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
BS.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
He does have a stylist. If he's focusing that much
on what he's wearing to court, you want to tell
me he hasn't tried to get to the victims. Listen.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
Prosecutors say evidence from Shawcom's cells shows the accused wrapper
made relentless efforts from jail to contact potential witnesses, including victims.
These methods reportedly involved three way calls, using other inmates'
phone access codes, a third party communications service, and directing
family members to contact potential witnesses. The aim to blackmail
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victims and witnesses into either silence or to provide testimony
helpful to Colmbs.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Speaking of getting to the victims straight out to Sydney's
summer joining US Crime Stories, investigative reporter Sydney isn't it true.
Prosecutors are planning to introduce evidence that.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Shawn Combs forced one of.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
His victims to undergo an unwanted medical procedure. I mean,
was it an abortion? I don't know, But what can
you tell me about that? If he could force a
victim to undergo an operation, a medical procedure, what makes
the state fink he's not trying to scare or intimidate
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the victims in this case, Sydney.
Speaker 11 (32:19):
No, that's right, Nancy.
Speaker 8 (32:20):
Prosecutors intend to introduce this evidence and we don't know
yet what that unwanted medical procedure was. You're completely right.
It definitely could have been an abortion, going along with
the fact that did he coerces all of these women
into unwanted sexual encounters and then doesn't want to keep
relationships with them. So prosecutors are introducing this to show
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that pattern of behavior, to show the level of control
that Sean Colms exerted over his victims. So that could
be really powerful in front of the jury.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
It was exactly ten twenty a m.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
This morning that the jury into the courtroom with Shawn
Combe standing at attention to impanel and swear in the jury.
This is a day that's been.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Long in coming.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
The state claims that decades of abuse of women and
so called free coughs have occurred. Finally, will there be
justice this as one of the victims disappears, can't.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Find her or her lawyer straight.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Out to Sidney Sumner, joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter,
I understand, in light victim number three a no show,
the state has added Victim five to the roster.
Speaker 8 (33:42):
Now, Victim five, who is not mentioned in charging documents,
will not be able to just replace Victim three. Judge
Sue Ermanian has ruled that they will not be able
to include all of the intended testimony, only part of it,
because this victim is a similar transaction.
Speaker 11 (34:00):
This victim will also not.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Be granted anonymity.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
We know that one of the victims is not asking
to testify under a pseudonym.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
It's Cassie Ventura.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Cassie Ventura is heavily pregnant at this juncture, and her
cross examination by the defense is going to be very tricky. Listen,
when you have a pregnant lady, a mom up on
the stand, I mean, you know how cruel can you be?
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You can't really, you know, shredder on the stand that
my friends at to be. And of course Mark Gira
goes giving a very vague answer on that. But Eric fattis,
if the defense team comes across as bullying Cassie Ventura,
that's going to totally play against Coums.
Speaker 6 (34:55):
That's going to rub the journy the wrong way.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Absolutely.
Speaker 6 (34:58):
I mean, not only do you have the superstar already
sympathetic victim, but there's a video of her being brutalized,
and the person being brutalized is going to be on
the stand, pregnant, telling you how she was verbally and
sexually brutalized. And so it's going to be a delicate
dance here. The defense has to kind of approach this
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in a sensitive fashion but also be firm enough to
get their points across. And so the balance to be
struck here cannot be understated.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Well, I got to say this to doctor Bethany Marshall,
Cassie Ventura is going to be able to handle whatever
they throw at her. She is the one that broke
the whole thing wide open when she filed that civil lawsuit.
And basically the Feds had a red flag waved in
front of them like a bull because it was out
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there and they were left looking emasculated. They had done nothing.
And here's this video. Let's take a look at the
video wherever buddy this is coming into court in a
different iteration. There you see Cassie Ventura. Oh and here
he comes. Thank goodness that towel didn't slip. She's trying
(36:13):
to get away reportedly from a freak cough. Now, Giragos
tells me it wasn't a freak cough at all, that she.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Was the aggressor.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
She Cassie Ventura is the aggressor in this video. She,
according to Giragos, was angry when she saw Combs had
gotten text from another woman. Okay, she looks like she
weighs about one hundred pounds soaking wet in that video.
But yet Giago said, with a straight face, this is
(36:48):
from my friends at seeing n by the way, a
straight face, that she was the aggressor. Now, okay, I'm
doctor Beth Gara Goes. His daughter is all the defense
taing Tenny. Gary Goes is saying that that you're not
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saying what you think you're seeing.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
She's actually the aggressor in that video.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Really, are they actually gonna say that to a jury.
One hundred pound Cassie is giving Diddy the beat down.
Speaker 9 (37:21):
I sell like a broken record, But Nancy, jurors are
not stupid, and jurors can feel like they're being kind
of manipulated or mistreated, and I think the defense should
be very careful with this line of reasoning. You know,
the truth is, you see this young Cassie Ventura running
for her life with bear feet. The allegations that he
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was on the phone doing business deals while he coursed
her into having sex with somebody else while he was
watching could come out. He kicks her in the back,
she has to pretend to play dead. He drags her
back down the hallway, and then.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
The jurors see this.
Speaker 9 (38:01):
Resilient woman who has re established her life, probably has
a new relationship, is going to create a family. This
is a woman to be admired. She rose above the trauma,
she did the work, whatever she did to reconstitute herself.
She is a very admirabley witness. So they are going
to hang on every single word, Nancy, because most victims
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do not establish themselves like this Bonachelle.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
In the courtroom, the defense is actually going to argue
that Cassie Ventura was the aggressor, that she was the
one giving Sean Combs the beatdown. What JURR is going
to believe that, especially in light of this.
Speaker 13 (38:48):
It's so difficult to reflect on the darkest times in
your life. Sometimes you got to do that. I was,
I mean, I hit rock bottom, but I made no excuses.
My behavior on that video is inexcusable. I take full
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responsibility for my ashes in that video.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
I'm disgusted.
Speaker 13 (39:16):
I was disgusted then when I did it.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
I'm disgusting now.
Speaker 10 (39:22):
And went in.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
I sought out professional help.
Speaker 13 (39:26):
And to go into therapy. I'm going to rehab. Had
asked God for his mercy and grace.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Second verse same as the first. So if he didn't
do it, why is he apologizing for it? And that
song comes as official Instagram? I wonder if they're going
to play that. We know the Cassie material tape is
in straight back out to Lauren Collins standing by. I
understand the courtroom holes about one hundred people, and I
guess it was.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Packed, right, Okay, we'll get the answer to that.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
You know, I'm hearing Lynn Shaw Combs in that video
stating he wants to be a better person. He's disgusted
with himself. He's going to rehab. But yet that'side on
one side of his mouth. The other side of his mouth,
he's actually going to argue to the jury that Cassie
was the violent one.
Speaker 9 (40:23):
Please stop, Nancy, because I'm getting sick. I'm getting sick
watching that video over and over again. We have to
remember people are visual. Once they see that video, this
will stick in their minds Now, Listen, we work with
a lot of survivors and victims at the Warriors. What
do they tell me repeatedly when they are being attacked,
They played dead. They do not move. They don't want
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to further and rage that person. They don't want more beatings,
so they remain very still.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Where is her video of her beating him?
Speaker 2 (40:54):
That's what I want to know.
Speaker 9 (40:55):
Why is this playbook the same thing we're in court?
A lot flipped on putting it on the victim. Oh,
it's their fault. They caused me to do it. That's consensual.
You know what the jury again, like doctor Bethany said,
like I'm saying as a New Yorker, new Yorkers are smart,
They're not going to buy this. And you know what,
dirty Diddy going down Sidney Sumner.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Where are we getting the ten million dollar defense bill?
Speaker 9 (41:20):
Nancy.
Speaker 8 (41:21):
That's coming from several expert defense attorneys who all believe
that each day of trial could be costing homes more
than one hundred thousand dollars. This is coming top lawyers
charge million dollar reteamers for complex federal cases like this.
They charge about sixteen hundred dollars an hour in their
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support staff behind them costs about half that much per hour.
So several people agree that a ten million dollar price
tag is a reasonable estimate.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Whoa fatness.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
I don't know about you, but I got paid just
to seem like a little over minimum wage if you
equal it out over all the overtime hours I worked
as a prosecutor. I had two nine jobs teaching school
at night to pay the house and the car note.
Ten million dollars. They better, they better produce.
Speaker 6 (42:14):
This is a high price tag, no question. But it's
a very complex case. You know that the decades, excuse me,
the the allegations span decades. There are umpteen witnesses, several jurisdictions.
It's just very involved, and so surely it is going
to warrant a high feed from the attorneys and they're
going to have to come with it because ten million dollars,
(42:35):
you know, a person expects results.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
All, like I say, is they better bring it.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
We wait as justice unfolds.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
And now we remember an American hero Patrol Officer, Stephen
Artil Brentwood PD in Hampshire, shot and killed in the
line of duty. Served law enforcement seventeen years, leaving behind
wife turned widow, Heather, daughters Kimberly and Lauren. American hero
role officer Stephen Arkell. Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,
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