May 15, 2025 • 43 mins
Casandra “Cassie” Ventura, the government’s star witness, took the stand today for the first day of cross-examination and faced questioning by Sean "Diddy" Combs’ $10 million defense team.
She previously spent two days detailing the alleged physical, emotional, and sexual abuse she says she endured during her decade-long relationship with the disgraced rap mogul.
At the center of Combs’ defense today was the claim that Ventura was never coerced into participating in "freak offs," as she testified earlier. The defense pointed to text messages, including one Ventura sent to Combs in 2009 that read, “I’m always ready to freak off lolol.” Ventura remained composed and held her ground when confronted with the explicit messages. She testified that she eventually began to feel Combs was exploiting her.
Combs’ defense team is expected to continue cross-examining Ventura through Friday morning.
Follow Crime Stories with Nancy Grace for the latest testimony in rap mogul Sean "Diddy" Combs' sex-trafficking trial
Joining Nancy Grace today:
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Greg Morse - Criminal Defense Attorney of Morse Legal, author of “The Untested” found on Amazon; website: morselegal.com
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Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst, Author of "Deal Breaker: When to work on a relationship and when to walk away,” and featured in hit show: "Paris in Love" on Peacock; Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, X: @DrBethanyLive
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Chris McDonough - Director at the Cold Case Foundation, Former Homicide Detective [worked over 300 homicides in 25-year career and trained the first Native American Homicide Task Force] Host of YouTube channel, "The Interview Room."
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Lynn Shaw - Founder and Executive Director of Lynn's Warriors - an organization committed to ending human trafficking and sexual exploitation, Host of Lynn's Warriors on YouTube,; X: @lynns_warriors Youtube: @LynnsWarriors
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Rob Shuter - Host: Naughty But Nice Podcast, Former Publicist of Sean Combs, and Author: "The 4 Word Answer", radaronline.com; IG: @naughtygossip
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Lauren Conlin- Investigative Journalist, Host of The Outlier Podcast, and also Host of "Corruption: What Happened to Grant Solomon; X- @Conlin_Lauren/ Instagram- @LaurenEmilyConlin/YouTube- @LaurenConlin4
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Sydney Sumner - CrimeOnline Investigative Reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Shawn Combs, Diddy's TUTSI role
revealed as Cassie Ventira on cross examination all day.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
With us, black Eyes, bat Lists, mouthsreds many UTI's she
was expected to go through with these freakoffs, and I
think many of us watching here all feel the same way.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I mean justice for Cassie.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Nancy joining us at the courthouse, having sat through testimony
all day. Investigative reporter co host Pop Crime TV Lauren Colin, Lauren,
thank you for being with us. I cannot believe Lauren
Colin that one of the questions that was solicited testimony
(00:54):
from Cassie on cross exam was where Shawn comes Diddy
actually claims that hotel beat.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Down of Cassie Ventura his career.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
That's their takeaway from him beating her to an answer
for life that Hey, didn't you know this is going
to ruin his career?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Seriously?
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
The defense kind of honed in on the fact of
her her lawsuit as well her twenty twenty three lawsuit.
They asked her on the stand, well, what do you
think happened to Sean Palms's career after you filed this lawsuit.
There were some objections, but initially Cassie had to testify that, Yeah,
it didn't help, but that was a pretty incredible moment. Nancy, whoa, whoa, wha.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Why woa why you mean the state did not stand
up that moment and object the answering what's wrong with them?
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Well, they objected, and then the defense had to rephrase
the question a few times. And it seems like that's
happening a lot here. It's state of mind versus that
seems to be the theme. So there are a lot
of objections, a lot of sidebars over this evidence, specifically
the evidence of text messages and emails.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Oh my stars.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
In just a moment, I'm going to go to high
profile larrior Greg Morse, because if you want to be
a trial lawyer, you've got to be like a gunslinger
and the Wild West and have split second timing, because
you have to object the minute that question comes out
of the other side's mouth before your witness can answer.
That's the whole point, you know, let the answer start
(02:33):
and let the questions sink into the jury. No, oh,
they're slow on the draw, Okay, give me the highlights
of what's happening with Cassie material on the stand.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Yes, Cassy event Tura during cross examination. I feel like
the defense is being gentle. She's being cross examined by
one of Diddy's attorneys, Anna Estavea, And when I say
that she's being gentle, they actually are sharing a few
laugh on the stand when Cassie saw a two thousand
and seven email that she wrote Diddy. But essentially what
(03:06):
we're seeing our emails of Cassie saying that she would
do a freak off at any point with him, and
these emails are coming in about two and a half
years after their relationship. There's also talk about how she
would quote travel anywhere for him, do anything for him. Again,
about two years into their relationship, when she testified during
(03:28):
direct that she was being abused during this time and
she didn't want to do freak offs. Additionally, during direct
she testified that she would be forced to do these
freakofts during her period. Well, the defense showed us text
messages today about did Hey asking her about when her
period was for the purpose of fo planning. Additionally, they
(03:49):
are showing pictures of Cassie texting Diddy getting off jets
after an fo weekend, saying I had a great.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Time hold on back it at just a minute, Lauren
Collin joining me for the courthouse. So there were tech
shown to the jury where Shawn Comb's definite Shawn Combs
asked Lauren asked Cassie about her period as it relates
to planning freak offs. At any point in those texts,
did he Shawn Combs say, oh, okay, we won't have
(04:20):
a freak off that week.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Did that happen?
Speaker 5 (04:23):
She did not say no, we won't have a freak off,
But Cassie's response was that she was going to miss
her period that month.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Okay, So I'm curious about what the state's going to
do with that because they left it hanging. He's not
offering not to have a freak off during her period.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
How do I know he didn't plan the.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Freak off specifically because she was having a period.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
After all, I've heard that's possible. Okay, back to you, Lauren,
what else happened?
Speaker 5 (04:51):
So I want to tell you also what seems to
be relevant for the defense or what they're trying to
prove is Shawn Holmes's alleged opioid ad They are asking Cassie,
did you think or did you know he was addicted
to opioids? And she said, yes, he told me. And
then they go on to say, well, don't you think
that you know, when he was coming down from opioids
(05:12):
or when he was withdrawing, he was a bit more volatile.
In my opinion, they are really pushing this that you know,
when he was withdrawing from drugs, that's when he was violent,
and that's why he was violent.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Okay, what I guess they're forgetting with all that legal
power on the defense team is that drugs and alcohol,
voluntary use with drugs for alcohol are never a defense. Okay,
back to what she is saying on the stand. Tell
me how she's looked on the stand so far on
cross examination?
Speaker 5 (05:44):
Well, like like that the said she shared some laughs
with Anna Estevea, and she does appear relaxed, and she's
handling it so well. I mean, again, she's eight and
a half months pregnant, and you know she's she's very calm,
her demeanor is poised, and Anna Savea has even said
to Cassie, look, because again, Nancy, we have heard and
(06:06):
seen some very explicit text messages and emails from Ditty
and Cassie to each other, and Svea is saying, look,
if you don't want to read these, you don't have to.
And Nancy, they are very graphic. We're hearing a lot
that maybe I did not need to hear. Additionally, Cassie
is showing that she is being open and honest with
(06:30):
her communication with Ditty, sending him paragraphs about how she
feeled about freak offs. But in this particular paragraph or email,
she's saying, look, I don't know if I want to
do it because I feel like that's all I'm good for.
So the defense is showing us that, hey, Cassie, you
are open and honest with Ditty, but you know, you're
saying that you couldn't be at a certain point. So
(06:52):
it's you know, again, it's early, and I feel like
the cross examination is going to last about two days now.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
I understand that at Combs's lawyer is seemingly suggesting that
the freak coughs that he kind of forced her to
participate and we're simply part of a swinger lifestyle. But
Ventura is pretty strong on the stand, stating that a
swinger lifestyle is very different than forcing her to be
(07:20):
in freak Costs practically every week of their multi year relationship.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
Yes, and Cassie testified yesterday also that she didn't want
to be a swinger because she didn't really want to
see Holmes with another woman. However, today we saw a
message exchange from Cassie to Diddy where she said that
she wants to see him with another woman as part
of this fantasy. And I'm paraphrasing, but I think a
(07:48):
lot of us were like, oh, okay, that's not great,
and we're actually we're seeing a lot of that, a
lot of contradictions with the period with the talk of
another woman. And I believe that they are showing pictures
of Cassie and Diddy getting off airplanes after freak Off
weekends to negate the trafficking charges.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Okay, you know, a close look at the law will
ne gate that that premise they're trying to advance. But
I'm really curious about the free coughs and about them
pressing Cassie Ventira on the stand on cross examination about
the lawsuit, as if the lawsuit was all her fault,
(08:29):
that there was no basis to the lawsuit how did
Cassie Ventira hold up when they were grilling her about
the lawsuit, the twenty million dollar lawsuit.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Like I said, she was great.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
She seemed unphased, unaffected, poised, and she you know, she
admitted after Siveya had to rephrase the question a few
times that yeah, the lawsuit that she filed did not
help his career.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
And isn't it true Lauren Colin that in one email
they presented to her on cross examination, she was very,
very young, and she was describing how grateful she was
to Shawn Combs helping her get a leg up in
the music industry.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
And she started laughing. She goes, yeah, I was really young, man.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
Yes, absolutely, But she also pointed out that during the
time that she met Sean Colmes, she had her own money,
she was successful in her own right with modeling, and
she was dating a man named Ryan Leslie who was
a music producer who helped her out a lot, and
he was actually the one that introduced her to Diddy. Now,
the defense, you know, they made a point to say, well,
(09:34):
miss Ventura, wasn't Ryan Leslie ten years older than you?
Because Cassie did say on the stand numerous times Shawn
Holmes is seventeen years older than her. She you know,
alluded to the fact that she was taken advantage of.
So yeah, they had to point out, while you've dated
older men before.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Crime Stores with Nancy Grace, in addition to Lauren Colin
joining us at the courthouse and Sydney Sumner also covering
the trials straight out to doctor Bethany Marshall joining us,
renown psychoanalysts out of la author of deal Breakers. You
can see her on Peacock Now and find her at
doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Bethany Marshall having worked with
(10:21):
battered women for decades, including on the hotline at the
Battered Women's Center and representing them in court once.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
The case turned into a felony.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Very often female victims are full of contradictions. For instance,
they try to go along with what the abuser wants
them to do. They play along, They don't tell their
friends or their family they're getting beaten or abused.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
They act like they are amenable to much of the abuse.
But there are reasons for that, and it's really hard
to understand it. Explain well.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
What I hear in the testimony this morning is that
there's a young girl who's very very much in love
with the perpetrator, and she believes this is a real
love relationship, so she's.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Trying to hang on to the love.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
She doesn't realize she's being sex trafficked, and that at
first she doesn't, so all of his malevolence, his antagonism,
his abuse really makes her double down and want his
love even more. And research shows that the more tenuous
and attachment is, the more the woman will try to
hold on to.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
The loved object. So I hear her just.
Speaker 6 (11:33):
Placating him and fending off abuse and trying to make
sure that she's in his good graces because she's harboring
the illusion that she might be important to him someday
joining me.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
In addition to doctor Bethony Marshall, special guest Rob Shooter,
hosts of Naughty but Nice podcast, former publicist to Sean Combs,
and author of the.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Four Word Answer.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
You know him very well and saw many of his
mood swings. And that's certainly euphemistic putting perfume on the
pig there.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Did you ever see the bad side of Diddy?
Speaker 7 (12:09):
I saw the bad side of Diddy. I saw a
grumpy and angry, aggressive side of Diddy. I didn't see
a side of Diddy that I'm seeing right now. Though
on in this trial is horrifying, the details, the texts,
the intimate conversations. But I did see, let me say, Nancy,
I saw a really good side of Diddy. And that's
what makes this so complicated for everybody involved. He's arguably
(12:33):
one of the most charming people I have ever met.
He can turn it on, he can play the game,
and that's why people like Cassie was under his spell
for so long.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
You know what, Rubs here?
Speaker 1 (12:45):
You know what you just reminded me of When I
was working the hotline on the batter Women's Center, we
had a frequent caller and I'm not going to say
what jurisdiction from where she was calling, but guess who
her husband was, the mayor.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
The mayor Gregarius charming.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Many people thought he was good looking. I didn't, but
we heard it over and over and over. Right, So,
just because you see a charming side and the world
sees a charming side, does not mean that he's actually charming.
You know, help me verbalize this, doctor Bethony Marshall.
Speaker 6 (13:25):
Okay, so if you look at the Diagnostic and Statistical
Manual of Mental disorders under.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Sociophies, those side things like that the diagnostic statistic what
breaking dictoria?
Speaker 6 (13:37):
Okay, the criteria for sociopathy. One of the criteria is
that the individual has a thin veneer of affability and
sociability that hides a cold, calculated interior. So they are
very charming as long as they're getting the way their way,
and the minute somebody crosses them or fails to gratify.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Them, they become vicious.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
You know, I was analyzing what she was saying on
the stand today, Cassie Ventiro on cross examination throughout.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
The day and it ain't over yet.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
She talks about unpredictable behavior of Sean Comb's, how he
would hit her for simply making the quote wrong face
or quote talking back to him. Okay, that's weird, Like
he's her grandpa. And as a matter of fact, he
asked her, well it was her nickname for her grandpa,
(14:30):
and she said pop Pop, and then he insisted she
call him by her grandfather's name.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Okay, you know what.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Sadly, Sigmund Freud is dead, he's not here to analyze
that weirdness. But going forward, Cassie vent Tira has broken
down on the stand as she described how he would
quote become a different person, that his eyes would just
quote go black, and that quote the version I was
in love with no longer there. The duality of comes shooter.
(15:03):
Is that hard for you to believe what she's saying?
Speaker 7 (15:07):
No, I believe every word that she's saying. But I
also to understand why she stayed with him. And this
is what his lawyers did.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
His lawyers, Oh, haven't you heard the shrink explain why battered.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Women stay in it?
Speaker 1 (15:20):
But you know what, I got to hit a tea shooter,
knowing what I know, having been trained in it, trying
cases about it.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I sometimes look at the woman thinking, couldn't you just leave?
Speaker 1 (15:31):
But it's so much more complicated, rob Okay, go ahead, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7 (15:34):
And let's hope the jury understands this.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Nancy.
Speaker 7 (15:37):
You might understand it. I might understand it. Your audience
might understand it. But all that matters are those twelve
people sitting there and the reason did his lawyers are
doing this? It works, Nancy, It really does work if
they can put some sort of shred of doubt into
their mind about she stayed for money, or he did
a lot for her, or is she really telling the truth.
(15:58):
If they can do that, he might get off.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
She would be drugged in order to perform the freak offs.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
We are learning about what a vile human did. He
is as if we didn't already know. She did break
down on the stand a few times. It is heartbreaking
and just painful to listen to.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Vile.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Yes, but he's not here trying to be crowned miscongeniality. Okay,
this is a felony, multi count indictment by the Feds,
and I'm wondering straight out to a veteran trial lawyer,
Greg Morse joining me out of Palm Beach criminal Defense
attorney of Morse Legal and author of the Untested on Amazon, Morse,
(16:43):
I'm thinking about the actual charges here, and he's not
charged with domestic abuse, and I'm wondering, I'm just wondering
if part of that is by plan. You just heard
Rob Shooter, right, and everyman that actually knows Sean Combs.
If the jury is left thinking, wow, did she stay
in that willingly? Was that her decision to endure all that,
(17:07):
even though we see with our own eyes her being
beaten and dragged back to a free cof she's trying
to get away from.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Those issues could linger. But what they're going for the gold, the.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Gold right is the sex trafficking and the reco charges,
because those charges.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Are the meat of this indictment.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Those charges carry the biggest penalties, and all the state
has to prove is that Sean Combs was in a
loose group called a confederation, a loose group with other
people that planned and executed illegal activities.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
That illegal activity could.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Be as simple as transporting sex workers across state lines.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
For a free cough.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
It could be paying them for illegal activity, any of
them that would support the RICO claim. I want you
to analyze the charges because as emotional as the testimony is,
as disgusting as the free coll video is, some of
the jurors were actually like doing this and looking away.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
They can hardly look at it.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
One guy held his hand up to his head as
he was watching a free cough video.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
It's so bad that the.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Monitor they have individual monitors like you have on an airplane, right,
an individual monitor, so nobody out in the audience or
certainly not in the press, can see what's on the screen.
And there are privacy screens covering those individual monitors for
the jury, because it's that disgusting, it's that debasing to
(18:44):
Cassie Ventura, it's that bad. Question is can they prove
the sex trafficking? Can they prove the rico?
Speaker 8 (18:53):
Well, I mean rico is used because it makes the
government's job easy.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
That's why they use it.
Speaker 8 (18:57):
You're responsible for other people's Actually why the conspiracies there?
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Got sour greats? I asked, Can they prove it?
Speaker 7 (19:03):
No?
Speaker 8 (19:03):
No, so ur Greats, not at all.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
This is easy when you're sitting across the courtroom full
of ten million dollars lawyers.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
That's never easy. You're being tried and I don't like it. No,
not being tried.
Speaker 8 (19:13):
But what you have here is a domestic violent situation
that the federal government bootstrapped into this ridiculous sex trafficking case.
It is very easy for them to prove because if
you have one person talks about Cassie wanting to go
to Atlanta, there's your interstate right there. So it's a
very easy element that's already been proven this morning. However,
(19:35):
so if you have prostitutes that are hired to come
to these parties, even though it's consensual. The government can
prove that. There you go, it's proven right there. But
the reality of Passie's testimony, unfortunately for this young lady,
is that she wasn't happy in the relationship. She was upset,
and this should be a state domestic violence situation. The
battered spouse relates to the domestic violence the parties that
(19:59):
she was intentional we go into.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Actually, we may not starting to lose the respect I
had for you as an adversary.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
You're a great defense lawyer. You're great in the courtroom,
you in a lot of cases.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
But to say to Lynshaw joining me, founder director Lynn's
Warriors Dedicated it's a nonprofit to ending sex trafficking and
abuse of girls and women, to say, oh, you put
up this a young woman and she's just unhappy in
the relationship. That's not what this case is about her
being unhappy.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (20:33):
Well, Nancy, we're witnessing right now, right now on your program,
how the justice system looks at victims. Cassie has been groomed.
Can't anybody understand what this is? She was nineteen, okay,
so that's legally an adult, But you see the years
of the back and the fourth all these text messages
(20:53):
and things like that. This is a young woman that
was groomed from the get go. They keep going back,
they keep trying to, you know, make it whole, They
keep trying to prove themselves to somebody, And you know what,
I am tired. We stand next to victims and survivors
all the time, and the courts don't understand. Lawyers, I'm sorry,
with all due respect, do not understand sex trafficking. Yes,
(21:17):
right now we're talking about domestic violence, all this horror,
but we're laying out the groundwork of grooming to lead
to sex trafficking. So I'm really getting tired of everybody,
It's twenty twenty five not understanding the process of these
powerful men, in particular money, you know what, and they
have the law behind them and they rip apart the victims.
(21:37):
Dirty ditty is going down and we're laying out for
sex trafficking.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Right here.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Joining me is Sidney Sumner on the case from the
very very beginning, monitor every single thing that's happening in
the courtroom. Cassi Ventira on cross examination this as reports
of Sean comes, is to see role emerging another alleged
(22:02):
sex attack victim. What does that mean Sydney summer.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Well, Nancy, According to this victim, on her force outing
with Combs. So she had met him in a hotel elevator.
They had spent a few nights out together, but on
their third night, she left early with her friend without
telling him, which apparently really angered Combs. He said, I
(22:28):
don't think you know who I am. People don't do
that to me. So the next time they all met up,
the situation felt sketchy from the beginning. She got into
a car. There were a bunch of big men in
that car. She could see use condoms on the ground,
women's underwear, and they ended up back at Comb's apartment.
(22:48):
She wanted to go home and he said, no, I
need to stop by my apartment first. You're going to
come up with me. He pinned her to a bed,
and as he pulls his pants down to raper, word
for words, she says she didn't think it would hurt
as much due to his lack of length and girth.
(23:10):
So she is comparing Colmb's penis to a Tootsie role
and later in that same lawsuit, she refers to him
as itty Bitty Diddy.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Okay Rob Shooter testimony aside there's really no coming back
from that.
Speaker 7 (23:24):
For Diddy, there's no way that they're coming back from that.
And I would guess this is a detail. It's scandalous
and we're talking about it. But this is a really
important detail and it's very very easy to be proven.
Let's see, let's see that.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Rob Shooter, are you crazy, We'll see a we're talking
about the same thing.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
You actually think.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
The federal prosecutors are going to prove that there's an
eaty beady Diddy and that.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
There's more of a Tootsie roll than a nobody's going
to touch that with a shimfootpold. That's not an element
of proof. She what are you talking about?
Speaker 7 (24:01):
Well, she they can prove that she can describe Diddi's penis,
then that's a really important point for her to make.
And so I know they did this in the Michael
Jackson trial. Several witnesses described Michael Jackson looked like and
so I think describing what did he looks like is
very important. It will prove the points and hopefully she'll
win the case.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Okay, shooter, you actually made a legal point. You may
need to consider that whole p R thing you've got
going on. Yes, that did happen in the Michael Jackson case,
but I hardly think that the defense is going to
broach the subject of eaty BD Diddy being in Diddy's pants. Okay,
that's a whole another can of worms, and as is
so often when you're trying a case, you learn a
(24:42):
lot more information than you ever wanted to. Now, that's
kind of funny, right right, Edy BD Diddy the TPSIE
roll in Diddy's pants, But hold on, not that funny.
Speaker 10 (24:57):
Listen discussing their breakup, comes to to lunch and had
a deep conversation that brought a sense of closure. But
when Combs dropped her off at home, he pinned her
down and raped her. Says she doesn't believe Combs even
noticed her crying and telling him no. After ejaculating inside her,
Cassie says, Combs calmly got up and.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Left Bethony Marshall shooter.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Hot. He's marking the LA story about Sean Combs's TTSI role.
But did you hear what came out on the stand
with Cassie Ventura under oath that when they had a
lunch to rehash this is why we're breaking up, he
takes her back, and, according to her, rapes her, and
(25:44):
then gets up and walks out without a word.
Speaker 6 (25:47):
This is just one more iteration of what he did
throughout their entire relationship. Anytime she tried to develop herself away.
Speaker 9 (25:55):
From him or establish her own life, he.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
Would send his goonies over. He would break into her
door at the middle of the night. He would rape her.
He would watch other men rape her. He would debase her.
The fact that somebody has pointed out that there's a
little bitty Diddy Diddy inside of Diddy's pants. I think
that's an interesting twist, because he has debased so many
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men and women. The fact that somebody could actually debase
him with reality, it sounds like he was actually not
that well endowed. I think it's kind of a fair turnaround.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
As this entire trial is throughout the day, a legend victim,
Cassie Ventura on the stand now on cross examination by
Shawn comes ten million dollar defense team.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
By all accounts, she's holding up really well.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Now the defense is trying their best to make a
lot of points, scoring points on heavily pregnant Cassie Ventura,
but can anything.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
The defense says erase this mental picture.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Rollet look at Cassie Ventior holding up her little left
hand trying to protect herself, cowering in the corner, holding
up her hand trying to stop Combs from beating her.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Further, look at that him walking by.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Like he's the king of the Innercontinental as she cowers
in the corner holding her head where he's already kicked
her in the head, and then holding up her left hand,
that pitiful little left hand.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
To try to fight him off.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Immediately after that, we see still photos of where he
throws a vase at her, the shattered shards on the floor.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
He aimed at her when.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
He threw the dirt on the wall. That's what he
threw at her. What if it had hit her to
Chris McDonough joining me, director Colka's Foundation, former homicide detective
before that in Vice for many many years, star of
(28:23):
the Interview Room on YouTube, Chris McDonough frankly, I don't
care what they say on Cross. I don't care what
they try to elicit from Cassie Ventira. That video tells
me that what was happening in the Free Coughs was
not something she wanted to do. She did not want
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to be a part of it, and she was trying
to get away from one when he came out beat
her and her holding up her little hand trying to
fight him off and literally drag her back.
Speaker 11 (28:55):
Absolutely, Nancy, I mean that video in of itself, she
shows us the helplessness within this victim. And we now
also know where the p came from and his name
after that emotional urinal testimony. You know, this is about
our dominance and control and did he breaking down people
like a drill instructor using violence and intimidation And once
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he gets them right where he wants them, well, then
he can do anything that he wants with his deviant fantasies.
I mean, look what he's doing here in this particular video.
She doesn't exist. She is just an instrument of his
violence and his insecurities. That's what he's doing here.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
He's a hero, and we know where the defense is
going trying to explain away this video. Listen to me
taking on Mark Gergos about this and Harvey Levin.
Speaker 12 (29:48):
What they say is that the fight was not over
the freak off. The fight was over a text message
on did He's phone that Cassie saw involving another woman.
So that's what they're laying out.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
I mean that they as much as said that.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Right correct, from our friends at TWOB and more, she
was getting Ring back into that hotel room for a
breakoff and she was trying to.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Hold on.
Speaker 12 (30:15):
That's not what the defense is going to argue. They're
not going to say it was over a freak off,
right yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
I mean the public filings dispute that.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
From our friends at TV, they can argue it's not
a freak off till they're blue in the face. But
their theory that she was the aggressor, you're trying to
let's see the video again. You're trying to tell me
that ninety pound casts Eventira is beating Sean Comes's bony
rear end. No, uh, that is what they're claiming. That
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she's the bad guy here. She's the aggressor because she
is angry that she saw text too comes.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
From another woman, Bethany Marshall.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
They can argue that until they use up every ounce
of oxygen in the courtroom, but that don't make it true.
Speaker 6 (31:06):
It does not make a true Nancy And if anybody
out there knows about domestic violence, what they also know
is that perpetrators always claim that they're being abused by
the victim. That's domestic abuse and such trafficking.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Were the ones being abused?
Speaker 6 (31:22):
They always do. Ask police officers who go to domestic
violence calls. Once they get there, the purp, usually the
larger person, often substance abusing, which is what we see here,
usually says oh, she hit me, or.
Speaker 7 (31:35):
She this or she that, and the defamiliar is.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Saying she started it. Yeah, she's right, Ethany. They always
say she started it, okay, like a.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Three year old. He's that being mirrored here.
Speaker 6 (31:48):
I see that being mirrored here in so many ways
because he actually, I don't even know how much he
or the defense is saying this to manipulate the jury.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
I think in p.
Speaker 6 (31:59):
Didy's mind, he actually believes she did something to him.
That is the kind of psychopathology that we're seeing here.
One little detail stands out to me, Nancy, and I
haven't been able to get it out of my mind.
She went to rehab numerous times because she wanted a good, sober,
healthy life, and then he readdicted her. She had to
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use substances to get through the freak offs. So this
is yet another indication of sex trafficking.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
This is what John's do. They addict their.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Victims crime stories with Nancy Grace to Sidney Summer joining
me crime story's investigative reporter. It's not just her testimony,
It's not just what she says. Wasn't there a witness
(32:52):
that what was going on in the Intercontinental was a
freak off?
Speaker 4 (32:55):
Yes, Nancy. The first person on the stand, Israel Flores,
security guard at the Intercontinental hotel, testified that he saw
another man in their hotel room. Now, could not have
been unrelated to a freakoff, possibly, but for Tassey to
attack comes in front of this other random man, why
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was he there? Why was he in their room? I
don't understand how the defense is going to combat that
piece of testimony. And they did try and point out
on his cross exam that Flora did not mention that
man in his initial incident report, and Floresa's response was
that he was not involved in the assault. That was
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his concern what he saw in the hallway. So it'll
be interesting to see how they try and prove that
Cassy was upset over texts and this wasn't a freakoff.
Speaker 13 (33:50):
Cassie Ventura switches up her appearance for her third day
on the stand, wearing a tuxedo jacket over a cream
colored blouse. Cassie answers questions softly, almost at a way
the last two days on the stand, maybe taking a
toll on the pregnant mom. Cassie requesting a ten minute
break at just an hour into her cross examination. When
Cassie returns from her break, she clutches a string of
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beads with a tassel on it as lawyer Anna Estavo
continues to ask her about sexually explicit text messages sent
to her boyfriend in the early years of their relationship.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
These freak offs lasted between one and four days.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Cassie Ventira choking on a six workers urine.
Speaker 9 (34:29):
This was a man with seemingly unlimited power and willing
to use it to do whatever it takes to get
what he wants.
Speaker 7 (34:36):
What's the truth that I did? A is much much
more talk.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Cassie Ventira on the stand throughout the day. On cross examination,
she held it like a trooper on direct but during
cross she often broke down in tears. She requested a break,
this as the state is pummeling her with questions about
the nature of her relationship with Shawn comes pointing out
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texts where she seems amenable to free coughs.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Of course those were in the.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Early years when she was very young dating Shawn Colmbs.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
But this is the harsh reality, back out de veteran trial.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Lawyer Greg Morse. To prove a reco racketeering, organized crime,
a conspiracy a crime conspiracy case, you have to have
an underlying crime. It's like prosecuting the mob if they
never committed a murder or a theft or money laundering.
Prosecute the gang hanging out at Uncle Pauly's.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
That's not a crime. There has to be a crime
that the.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Group comes together, even very loosely, and enables.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
The group has to enable a crime. What am I
getting at?
Speaker 1 (35:49):
If the defense can show or prove to the jury
that everything that happened was willing and consensual, then there
is no rape and there is nothing that was done illegally.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
See what I mean.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
So everyone keeps saying, this is not about domestic abuse,
this is not about a sex attack, This is about
rico and sex trafficking. Without the underlying felonies, you don't
have a case.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
Well, You're right, you don't.
Speaker 8 (36:20):
But in this situation the way it's charged, that could
be prostitution transporting other sex workers, not Cassie and the rape.
So they don't need to prove necessarily just that, you know.
But you again, I think you proved it in the
segment you just did. This is a domestic violence situation
that everybody's bootstrapping into this horrible sex trafficking case.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
That's just not what this is.
Speaker 8 (36:45):
This is and but the government doesn't have a hard
time improving that prostitution is still illegal in America, so.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
They can just use that.
Speaker 8 (36:52):
I've had the government in white collar cases one hundred
million frauds literally use a stamp to show.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
An overt act on money laundering out, so you don't
need we speaking of it.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Overse You mentioned domestic abuse.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
You mentioned even if Cassie Ventura.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Is believed by the jury, which I don't think they're
going to do after that video, that it was all
willing and consensual.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
When you get to the.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Domestic violence and forcing her into the free coughs, she
states very clearly on the stand that employees of Sean
Combs knew what was happening and enabled it.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
There's your Loose Confederation listen.
Speaker 13 (37:38):
Colmb's assistance were very aware of how Combs treated her,
saw her injuries and de Rock, a security guard, was
once brought to tears by her appearance after a beating.
In addition to testimony, security guards took Cassie to a
plastic surgeon for stitches. Combs driver Roger Bonds once physically
caught her as she tried to run from Combs and
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were turned her to him.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
So Sidney Sumner, they were all in it together, the
bodyguard chasing her down and physically making her come back
to Sean Comb's. Everybody that ordered baby oil lighting booked
a room called cleanup. Hey, let's see the video of
cleanup coming after a freak off at the Intercontinental.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
They didn't have just a trash bag.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
They have to have basically a dumpster that they're going
down and cleaning out.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
The room after a freak off.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
They were all part of it, Sydney, that is the gang,
the loose Confederation.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
Yes, Nancy, it seems like there were many many people,
whether or not unwittingly, participating in setting up these freakoffs.
Cassie testified earlier this morning. Tomes was very very secretive
about these freakoffs with his staff. They even wore mats
to conceal their identity. So Prossy says that, yes, assistants
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were involved in setting things up. They brought lighting, they
brought baby oil, They followed whatever Comb's requests were up
until the freak off began, and from their homes kept
it a secret what happened in that?
Speaker 2 (39:18):
What about it? Greg Morse? Greg Morris, do you wear
a mask? We'll go to work because you don't want
people to know it's you. No, because I did. I
hope it's not a crime if I did.
Speaker 8 (39:29):
It's not a crime if I did, though, so you.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Can have this sex party.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
So I don't understand whilest silence.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
With the consensual sex party that she says. She literally says,
I didn't tell him much. It was rude head. I
didn't want to shoot her.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
When you were hearing this this testimony, knowing Combs as
you did as his former pr guru, do you believe
it's possible.
Speaker 7 (39:58):
I think that it He is guilty. I think this
video changed everything. I'm in a group text with several
people who have worked with Diddy throughout the years, and
some people in that text. When this first started, what
a year and a half ago, we were hearing rumors
some people that worked for him, not me, but some
people still believed he was innocent until that video was
(40:20):
released by CNN. That video has changed everything. And what
I'm shocked about here, Nancy, is that Diddy is a
very cautious, very controlling individual. The fact that video even
exists is a miracle. Thank god it does exist. You
try to get rid of it. But the fact that
he thought he was so above the law that he
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could attack somebody in a public orway of a hotel
and get away with it gives us an insight into
who this man really is.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
In the last hours, the judge warning the defense they've
got to high noon tomorrow to finish across exam of
Cassie Ventura, Tira considers suicide after what she lived through
with Combs.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Listen.
Speaker 14 (41:07):
Cassie struggled with depression and suicidal thoughts after Combs. Even
as she moved on with her now husband Alex Fine,
Combs continued to threaten her, demanding he'd be reimbursed for
Cassie's training sessions with Fine. At one point, Combs cryptically
wrote he had iPads full of skeletons. Recordings of the
freak Offs. Cassie says her husband stopped her from walking
(41:28):
out of their home into busy traffic.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Straight out to Lynn Shaw founder director Lynz Warriors, what
technical legal term a pos threatening her with quote iPads
full of skeletons. She was on the brink of suicide
after what she went through with Combs.
Speaker 9 (41:49):
You know, Nancy, we see this time and time again. Listen,
the public has to realize and I'm going to go
back to the justice system as well. These people are
psychologically down. They've been groomed, they've been trapped, They're not
in control. She went to rehab, she tried to clean
herself up. Luckily, right now she's got a supportive husband.
(42:10):
You know, she's a mom.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
She's about to have another, her third baby. But here's
the thing.
Speaker 9 (42:15):
Many of our victims and survivors that we speak to,
they tell us this same exact playbook, the same exact story.
They just can't handle it anymore, and they figure nobody
believes them, nobody wants to help them. The person with
the power and the money, they're in control, and they say,
you know what, it would just be a better place
if I was gone. And there's also that element we
have to remind everybody they're embarrassed, believe it or not.
(42:38):
And I'm tired of people who say to me, oh,
why don't these people just kick and run away and
go somewhere. Where are they going when somebody's holding this
over their heads? These videos?
Speaker 2 (42:47):
And I want to point.
Speaker 9 (42:48):
Out, we still don't know where are all these videos
perhaps uploaded also to poorn websites forever for people to
look at.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
We don't know.
Speaker 9 (42:56):
All I know is this is the same playbook psychological damaged.
And we should commend Cassie for coming forward for all victims,
not just of Sean Colm's Dirty Diddy, but all of
them watching right now are telling me they are traumatized
listening to everything in this trial.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
For what it's worth, Cassie Ventira, we believe you.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Shawn Combs, Diddy's TUTSI role
revealed as Cassie Ventira on cross examination all day.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
With us, black Eyes, bat Lists, mouthsreds many UTI's she
was expected to go through with these freakoffs, and I
think many of us watching here all feel the same way.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I mean justice for Cassie.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Nancy joining us at the courthouse, having sat through testimony
all day. Investigative reporter co host Pop Crime TV Lauren Colin, Lauren,
thank you for being with us. I cannot believe Lauren
Colin that one of the questions that was solicited testimony
(00:54):
from Cassie on cross exam was where Shawn comes Diddy
actually claims that hotel beat.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Down of Cassie Ventura his career.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
That's their takeaway from him beating her to an answer
for life that Hey, didn't you know this is going
to ruin his career?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Seriously?
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
The defense kind of honed in on the fact of
her her lawsuit as well her twenty twenty three lawsuit.
They asked her on the stand, well, what do you
think happened to Sean Palms's career after you filed this lawsuit.
There were some objections, but initially Cassie had to testify that, Yeah,
it didn't help, but that was a pretty incredible moment. Nancy, whoa, whoa, wha.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Why woa why you mean the state did not stand
up that moment and object the answering what's wrong with them?
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Well, they objected, and then the defense had to rephrase
the question a few times. And it seems like that's
happening a lot here. It's state of mind versus that
seems to be the theme. So there are a lot
of objections, a lot of sidebars over this evidence, specifically
the evidence of text messages and emails.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Oh my stars.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
In just a moment, I'm going to go to high
profile larrior Greg Morse, because if you want to be
a trial lawyer, you've got to be like a gunslinger
and the Wild West and have split second timing, because
you have to object the minute that question comes out
of the other side's mouth before your witness can answer.
That's the whole point, you know, let the answer start
(02:33):
and let the questions sink into the jury. No, oh,
they're slow on the draw, Okay, give me the highlights
of what's happening with Cassie material on the stand.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Yes, Cassy event Tura during cross examination. I feel like
the defense is being gentle. She's being cross examined by
one of Diddy's attorneys, Anna Estavea, And when I say
that she's being gentle, they actually are sharing a few
laugh on the stand when Cassie saw a two thousand
and seven email that she wrote Diddy. But essentially what
(03:06):
we're seeing our emails of Cassie saying that she would
do a freak off at any point with him, and
these emails are coming in about two and a half
years after their relationship. There's also talk about how she
would quote travel anywhere for him, do anything for him. Again,
about two years into their relationship, when she testified during
(03:28):
direct that she was being abused during this time and
she didn't want to do freak offs. Additionally, during direct
she testified that she would be forced to do these
freakofts during her period. Well, the defense showed us text
messages today about did Hey asking her about when her
period was for the purpose of fo planning. Additionally, they
(03:49):
are showing pictures of Cassie texting Diddy getting off jets
after an fo weekend, saying I had a great.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Time hold on back it at just a minute, Lauren
Collin joining me for the courthouse. So there were tech
shown to the jury where Shawn Comb's definite Shawn Combs
asked Lauren asked Cassie about her period as it relates
to planning freak offs. At any point in those texts,
did he Shawn Combs say, oh, okay, we won't have
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a freak off that week.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Did that happen?
Speaker 5 (04:23):
She did not say no, we won't have a freak off,
But Cassie's response was that she was going to miss
her period that month.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Okay, So I'm curious about what the state's going to
do with that because they left it hanging. He's not
offering not to have a freak off during her period.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
How do I know he didn't plan the.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Freak off specifically because she was having a period.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
After all, I've heard that's possible. Okay, back to you, Lauren,
what else happened?
Speaker 5 (04:51):
So I want to tell you also what seems to
be relevant for the defense or what they're trying to
prove is Shawn Holmes's alleged opioid ad They are asking Cassie,
did you think or did you know he was addicted
to opioids? And she said, yes, he told me. And
then they go on to say, well, don't you think
that you know, when he was coming down from opioids
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or when he was withdrawing, he was a bit more volatile.
In my opinion, they are really pushing this that you know,
when he was withdrawing from drugs, that's when he was violent,
and that's why he was violent.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Okay, what I guess they're forgetting with all that legal
power on the defense team is that drugs and alcohol,
voluntary use with drugs for alcohol are never a defense. Okay,
back to what she is saying on the stand. Tell
me how she's looked on the stand so far on
cross examination?
Speaker 5 (05:44):
Well, like like that the said she shared some laughs
with Anna Estevea, and she does appear relaxed, and she's
handling it so well. I mean, again, she's eight and
a half months pregnant, and you know she's she's very calm,
her demeanor is poised, and Anna Savea has even said
to Cassie, look, because again, Nancy, we have heard and
(06:06):
seen some very explicit text messages and emails from Ditty
and Cassie to each other, and Svea is saying, look,
if you don't want to read these, you don't have to.
And Nancy, they are very graphic. We're hearing a lot
that maybe I did not need to hear. Additionally, Cassie
is showing that she is being open and honest with
(06:30):
her communication with Ditty, sending him paragraphs about how she
feeled about freak offs. But in this particular paragraph or email,
she's saying, look, I don't know if I want to
do it because I feel like that's all I'm good for.
So the defense is showing us that, hey, Cassie, you
are open and honest with Ditty, but you know, you're
saying that you couldn't be at a certain point. So
(06:52):
it's you know, again, it's early, and I feel like
the cross examination is going to last about two days now.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
I understand that at Combs's lawyer is seemingly suggesting that
the freak coughs that he kind of forced her to
participate and we're simply part of a swinger lifestyle. But
Ventura is pretty strong on the stand, stating that a
swinger lifestyle is very different than forcing her to be
(07:20):
in freak Costs practically every week of their multi year relationship.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
Yes, and Cassie testified yesterday also that she didn't want
to be a swinger because she didn't really want to
see Holmes with another woman. However, today we saw a
message exchange from Cassie to Diddy where she said that
she wants to see him with another woman as part
of this fantasy. And I'm paraphrasing, but I think a
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lot of us were like, oh, okay, that's not great,
and we're actually we're seeing a lot of that, a
lot of contradictions with the period with the talk of
another woman. And I believe that they are showing pictures
of Cassie and Diddy getting off airplanes after freak Off
weekends to negate the trafficking charges.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Okay, you know, a close look at the law will
ne gate that that premise they're trying to advance. But
I'm really curious about the free coughs and about them
pressing Cassie Ventira on the stand on cross examination about
the lawsuit, as if the lawsuit was all her fault,
(08:29):
that there was no basis to the lawsuit how did
Cassie Ventira hold up when they were grilling her about
the lawsuit, the twenty million dollar lawsuit.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Like I said, she was great.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
She seemed unphased, unaffected, poised, and she you know, she
admitted after Siveya had to rephrase the question a few
times that yeah, the lawsuit that she filed did not
help his career.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
And isn't it true Lauren Colin that in one email
they presented to her on cross examination, she was very,
very young, and she was describing how grateful she was
to Shawn Combs helping her get a leg up in
the music industry.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
And she started laughing. She goes, yeah, I was really young, man.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
Yes, absolutely, But she also pointed out that during the
time that she met Sean Colmes, she had her own money,
she was successful in her own right with modeling, and
she was dating a man named Ryan Leslie who was
a music producer who helped her out a lot, and
he was actually the one that introduced her to Diddy. Now,
the defense, you know, they made a point to say, well,
(09:34):
miss Ventura, wasn't Ryan Leslie ten years older than you?
Because Cassie did say on the stand numerous times Shawn
Holmes is seventeen years older than her. She you know,
alluded to the fact that she was taken advantage of.
So yeah, they had to point out, while you've dated
older men before.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Crime Stores with Nancy Grace, in addition to Lauren Colin
joining us at the courthouse and Sydney Sumner also covering
the trials straight out to doctor Bethany Marshall joining us,
renown psychoanalysts out of la author of deal Breakers. You
can see her on Peacock Now and find her at
doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Bethany Marshall having worked with
(10:21):
battered women for decades, including on the hotline at the
Battered Women's Center and representing them in court once.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
The case turned into a felony.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Very often female victims are full of contradictions. For instance,
they try to go along with what the abuser wants
them to do. They play along, They don't tell their
friends or their family they're getting beaten or abused.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
They act like they are amenable to much of the abuse.
But there are reasons for that, and it's really hard
to understand it. Explain well.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
What I hear in the testimony this morning is that
there's a young girl who's very very much in love
with the perpetrator, and she believes this is a real
love relationship, so she's.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Trying to hang on to the love.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
She doesn't realize she's being sex trafficked, and that at
first she doesn't, so all of his malevolence, his antagonism,
his abuse really makes her double down and want his
love even more. And research shows that the more tenuous
and attachment is, the more the woman will try to
hold on to.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
The loved object. So I hear her just.
Speaker 6 (11:33):
Placating him and fending off abuse and trying to make
sure that she's in his good graces because she's harboring
the illusion that she might be important to him someday
joining me.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
In addition to doctor Bethony Marshall, special guest Rob Shooter,
hosts of Naughty but Nice podcast, former publicist to Sean Combs,
and author of the.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Four Word Answer.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
You know him very well and saw many of his
mood swings. And that's certainly euphemistic putting perfume on the
pig there.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Did you ever see the bad side of Diddy?
Speaker 7 (12:09):
I saw the bad side of Diddy. I saw a
grumpy and angry, aggressive side of Diddy. I didn't see
a side of Diddy that I'm seeing right now. Though
on in this trial is horrifying, the details, the texts,
the intimate conversations. But I did see, let me say, Nancy,
I saw a really good side of Diddy. And that's
what makes this so complicated for everybody involved. He's arguably
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one of the most charming people I have ever met.
He can turn it on, he can play the game,
and that's why people like Cassie was under his spell
for so long.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
You know what, Rubs here?
Speaker 1 (12:45):
You know what you just reminded me of When I
was working the hotline on the batter Women's Center, we
had a frequent caller and I'm not going to say
what jurisdiction from where she was calling, but guess who
her husband was, the mayor.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
The mayor Gregarius charming.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Many people thought he was good looking. I didn't, but
we heard it over and over and over. Right, So,
just because you see a charming side and the world
sees a charming side, does not mean that he's actually charming.
You know, help me verbalize this, doctor Bethony Marshall.
Speaker 6 (13:25):
Okay, so if you look at the Diagnostic and Statistical
Manual of Mental disorders under.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Sociophies, those side things like that the diagnostic statistic what
breaking dictoria?
Speaker 6 (13:37):
Okay, the criteria for sociopathy. One of the criteria is
that the individual has a thin veneer of affability and
sociability that hides a cold, calculated interior. So they are
very charming as long as they're getting the way their way,
and the minute somebody crosses them or fails to gratify.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Them, they become vicious.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
You know, I was analyzing what she was saying on
the stand today, Cassie Ventiro on cross examination throughout.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
The day and it ain't over yet.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
She talks about unpredictable behavior of Sean Comb's, how he
would hit her for simply making the quote wrong face
or quote talking back to him. Okay, that's weird, Like
he's her grandpa. And as a matter of fact, he
asked her, well it was her nickname for her grandpa,
(14:30):
and she said pop Pop, and then he insisted she
call him by her grandfather's name.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Okay, you know what.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Sadly, Sigmund Freud is dead, he's not here to analyze
that weirdness. But going forward, Cassie vent Tira has broken
down on the stand as she described how he would
quote become a different person, that his eyes would just
quote go black, and that quote the version I was
in love with no longer there. The duality of comes shooter.
(15:03):
Is that hard for you to believe what she's saying?
Speaker 7 (15:07):
No, I believe every word that she's saying. But I
also to understand why she stayed with him. And this
is what his lawyers did.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
His lawyers, Oh, haven't you heard the shrink explain why battered.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Women stay in it?
Speaker 1 (15:20):
But you know what, I got to hit a tea shooter,
knowing what I know, having been trained in it, trying
cases about it.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I sometimes look at the woman thinking, couldn't you just leave?
Speaker 1 (15:31):
But it's so much more complicated, rob Okay, go ahead, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7 (15:34):
And let's hope the jury understands this.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Nancy.
Speaker 7 (15:37):
You might understand it. I might understand it. Your audience
might understand it. But all that matters are those twelve
people sitting there and the reason did his lawyers are
doing this? It works, Nancy, It really does work if
they can put some sort of shred of doubt into
their mind about she stayed for money, or he did
a lot for her, or is she really telling the truth.
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If they can do that, he might get off.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
She would be drugged in order to perform the freak offs.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
We are learning about what a vile human did. He
is as if we didn't already know. She did break
down on the stand a few times. It is heartbreaking
and just painful to listen to.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Vile.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Yes, but he's not here trying to be crowned miscongeniality. Okay,
this is a felony, multi count indictment by the Feds,
and I'm wondering straight out to a veteran trial lawyer,
Greg Morse joining me out of Palm Beach criminal Defense
attorney of Morse Legal and author of the Untested on Amazon, Morse,
(16:43):
I'm thinking about the actual charges here, and he's not
charged with domestic abuse, and I'm wondering, I'm just wondering
if part of that is by plan. You just heard
Rob Shooter, right, and everyman that actually knows Sean Combs.
If the jury is left thinking, wow, did she stay
in that willingly? Was that her decision to endure all that,
(17:07):
even though we see with our own eyes her being
beaten and dragged back to a free cof she's trying
to get away from.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Those issues could linger. But what they're going for the gold, the.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Gold right is the sex trafficking and the reco charges,
because those charges.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Are the meat of this indictment.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Those charges carry the biggest penalties, and all the state
has to prove is that Sean Combs was in a
loose group called a confederation, a loose group with other
people that planned and executed illegal activities.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
That illegal activity could.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Be as simple as transporting sex workers across state lines.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
For a free cough.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
It could be paying them for illegal activity, any of
them that would support the RICO claim. I want you
to analyze the charges because as emotional as the testimony is,
as disgusting as the free coll video is, some of
the jurors were actually like doing this and looking away.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
They can hardly look at it.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
One guy held his hand up to his head as
he was watching a free cough video.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
It's so bad that the.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Monitor they have individual monitors like you have on an airplane, right,
an individual monitor, so nobody out in the audience or
certainly not in the press, can see what's on the screen.
And there are privacy screens covering those individual monitors for
the jury, because it's that disgusting, it's that debasing to
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Cassie Ventura, it's that bad. Question is can they prove
the sex trafficking? Can they prove the rico?
Speaker 8 (18:53):
Well, I mean rico is used because it makes the
government's job easy.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
That's why they use it.
Speaker 8 (18:57):
You're responsible for other people's Actually why the conspiracies there?
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Got sour greats? I asked, Can they prove it?
Speaker 7 (19:03):
No?
Speaker 8 (19:03):
No, so ur Greats, not at all.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
This is easy when you're sitting across the courtroom full
of ten million dollars lawyers.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
That's never easy. You're being tried and I don't like it. No,
not being tried.
Speaker 8 (19:13):
But what you have here is a domestic violent situation
that the federal government bootstrapped into this ridiculous sex trafficking case.
It is very easy for them to prove because if
you have one person talks about Cassie wanting to go
to Atlanta, there's your interstate right there. So it's a
very easy element that's already been proven this morning. However,
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so if you have prostitutes that are hired to come
to these parties, even though it's consensual. The government can
prove that. There you go, it's proven right there. But
the reality of Passie's testimony, unfortunately for this young lady,
is that she wasn't happy in the relationship. She was upset,
and this should be a state domestic violence situation. The
battered spouse relates to the domestic violence the parties that
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she was intentional we go into.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Actually, we may not starting to lose the respect I
had for you as an adversary.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
You're a great defense lawyer. You're great in the courtroom,
you in a lot of cases.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
But to say to Lynshaw joining me, founder director Lynn's
Warriors Dedicated it's a nonprofit to ending sex trafficking and
abuse of girls and women, to say, oh, you put
up this a young woman and she's just unhappy in
the relationship. That's not what this case is about her
being unhappy.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (20:33):
Well, Nancy, we're witnessing right now, right now on your program,
how the justice system looks at victims. Cassie has been groomed.
Can't anybody understand what this is? She was nineteen, okay,
so that's legally an adult, But you see the years
of the back and the fourth all these text messages
(20:53):
and things like that. This is a young woman that
was groomed from the get go. They keep going back,
they keep trying to, you know, make it whole, They
keep trying to prove themselves to somebody, And you know what,
I am tired. We stand next to victims and survivors
all the time, and the courts don't understand. Lawyers, I'm sorry,
with all due respect, do not understand sex trafficking. Yes,
(21:17):
right now we're talking about domestic violence, all this horror,
but we're laying out the groundwork of grooming to lead
to sex trafficking. So I'm really getting tired of everybody,
It's twenty twenty five not understanding the process of these
powerful men, in particular money, you know what, and they
have the law behind them and they rip apart the victims.
(21:37):
Dirty ditty is going down and we're laying out for
sex trafficking.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Right here.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Joining me is Sidney Sumner on the case from the
very very beginning, monitor every single thing that's happening in
the courtroom. Cassi Ventira on cross examination this as reports
of Sean comes, is to see role emerging another alleged
(22:02):
sex attack victim. What does that mean Sydney summer.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Well, Nancy, According to this victim, on her force outing
with Combs. So she had met him in a hotel elevator.
They had spent a few nights out together, but on
their third night, she left early with her friend without
telling him, which apparently really angered Combs. He said, I
(22:28):
don't think you know who I am. People don't do
that to me. So the next time they all met up,
the situation felt sketchy from the beginning. She got into
a car. There were a bunch of big men in
that car. She could see use condoms on the ground,
women's underwear, and they ended up back at Comb's apartment.
(22:48):
She wanted to go home and he said, no, I
need to stop by my apartment first. You're going to
come up with me. He pinned her to a bed,
and as he pulls his pants down to raper, word
for words, she says she didn't think it would hurt
as much due to his lack of length and girth.
(23:10):
So she is comparing Colmb's penis to a Tootsie role
and later in that same lawsuit, she refers to him
as itty Bitty Diddy.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Okay Rob Shooter testimony aside there's really no coming back
from that.
Speaker 7 (23:24):
For Diddy, there's no way that they're coming back from that.
And I would guess this is a detail. It's scandalous
and we're talking about it. But this is a really
important detail and it's very very easy to be proven.
Let's see, let's see that.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Rob Shooter, are you crazy, We'll see a we're talking
about the same thing.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
You actually think.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
The federal prosecutors are going to prove that there's an
eaty beady Diddy and that.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
There's more of a Tootsie roll than a nobody's going
to touch that with a shimfootpold. That's not an element
of proof. She what are you talking about?
Speaker 7 (24:01):
Well, she they can prove that she can describe Diddi's penis,
then that's a really important point for her to make.
And so I know they did this in the Michael
Jackson trial. Several witnesses described Michael Jackson looked like and
so I think describing what did he looks like is
very important. It will prove the points and hopefully she'll
win the case.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Okay, shooter, you actually made a legal point. You may
need to consider that whole p R thing you've got
going on. Yes, that did happen in the Michael Jackson case,
but I hardly think that the defense is going to
broach the subject of eaty BD Diddy being in Diddy's pants. Okay,
that's a whole another can of worms, and as is
so often when you're trying a case, you learn a
(24:42):
lot more information than you ever wanted to. Now, that's
kind of funny, right right, Edy BD Diddy the TPSIE
roll in Diddy's pants, But hold on, not that funny.
Speaker 10 (24:57):
Listen discussing their breakup, comes to to lunch and had
a deep conversation that brought a sense of closure. But
when Combs dropped her off at home, he pinned her
down and raped her. Says she doesn't believe Combs even
noticed her crying and telling him no. After ejaculating inside her,
Cassie says, Combs calmly got up and.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Left Bethony Marshall shooter.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Hot. He's marking the LA story about Sean Combs's TTSI role.
But did you hear what came out on the stand
with Cassie Ventura under oath that when they had a
lunch to rehash this is why we're breaking up, he
takes her back, and, according to her, rapes her, and
(25:44):
then gets up and walks out without a word.
Speaker 6 (25:47):
This is just one more iteration of what he did
throughout their entire relationship. Anytime she tried to develop herself away.
Speaker 9 (25:55):
From him or establish her own life, he.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
Would send his goonies over. He would break into her
door at the middle of the night. He would rape her.
He would watch other men rape her. He would debase her.
The fact that somebody has pointed out that there's a
little bitty Diddy Diddy inside of Diddy's pants. I think
that's an interesting twist, because he has debased so many
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men and women. The fact that somebody could actually debase
him with reality, it sounds like he was actually not
that well endowed. I think it's kind of a fair turnaround.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
As this entire trial is throughout the day, a legend victim,
Cassie Ventura on the stand now on cross examination by
Shawn comes ten million dollar defense team.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
By all accounts, she's holding up really well.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Now the defense is trying their best to make a
lot of points, scoring points on heavily pregnant Cassie Ventura,
but can anything.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
The defense says erase this mental picture.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Rollet look at Cassie Ventior holding up her little left
hand trying to protect herself, cowering in the corner, holding
up her hand trying to stop Combs from beating her.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Further, look at that him walking by.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Like he's the king of the Innercontinental as she cowers
in the corner holding her head where he's already kicked
her in the head, and then holding up her left hand,
that pitiful little left hand.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
To try to fight him off.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Immediately after that, we see still photos of where he
throws a vase at her, the shattered shards on the floor.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
He aimed at her when.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
He threw the dirt on the wall. That's what he
threw at her. What if it had hit her to
Chris McDonough joining me, director Colka's Foundation, former homicide detective
before that in Vice for many many years, star of
(28:23):
the Interview Room on YouTube, Chris McDonough frankly, I don't
care what they say on Cross. I don't care what
they try to elicit from Cassie Ventira. That video tells
me that what was happening in the Free Coughs was
not something she wanted to do. She did not want
(28:43):
to be a part of it, and she was trying
to get away from one when he came out beat
her and her holding up her little hand trying to
fight him off and literally drag her back.
Speaker 11 (28:55):
Absolutely, Nancy, I mean that video in of itself, she
shows us the helplessness within this victim. And we now
also know where the p came from and his name
after that emotional urinal testimony. You know, this is about
our dominance and control and did he breaking down people
like a drill instructor using violence and intimidation And once
(29:17):
he gets them right where he wants them, well, then
he can do anything that he wants with his deviant fantasies.
I mean, look what he's doing here in this particular video.
She doesn't exist. She is just an instrument of his
violence and his insecurities. That's what he's doing here.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
He's a hero, and we know where the defense is
going trying to explain away this video. Listen to me
taking on Mark Gergos about this and Harvey Levin.
Speaker 12 (29:48):
What they say is that the fight was not over
the freak off. The fight was over a text message
on did He's phone that Cassie saw involving another woman.
So that's what they're laying out.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
I mean that they as much as said that.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Right correct, from our friends at TWOB and more, she
was getting Ring back into that hotel room for a
breakoff and she was trying to.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Hold on.
Speaker 12 (30:15):
That's not what the defense is going to argue. They're
not going to say it was over a freak off,
right yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
I mean the public filings dispute that.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
From our friends at TV, they can argue it's not
a freak off till they're blue in the face. But
their theory that she was the aggressor, you're trying to
let's see the video again. You're trying to tell me
that ninety pound casts Eventira is beating Sean Comes's bony
rear end. No, uh, that is what they're claiming. That
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she's the bad guy here. She's the aggressor because she
is angry that she saw text too comes.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
From another woman, Bethany Marshall.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
They can argue that until they use up every ounce
of oxygen in the courtroom, but that don't make it true.
Speaker 6 (31:06):
It does not make a true Nancy And if anybody
out there knows about domestic violence, what they also know
is that perpetrators always claim that they're being abused by
the victim. That's domestic abuse and such trafficking.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Were the ones being abused?
Speaker 6 (31:22):
They always do. Ask police officers who go to domestic
violence calls. Once they get there, the purp, usually the
larger person, often substance abusing, which is what we see here,
usually says oh, she hit me, or.
Speaker 7 (31:35):
She this or she that, and the defamiliar is.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Saying she started it. Yeah, she's right, Ethany. They always
say she started it, okay, like a.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Three year old. He's that being mirrored here.
Speaker 6 (31:48):
I see that being mirrored here in so many ways
because he actually, I don't even know how much he
or the defense is saying this to manipulate the jury.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
I think in p.
Speaker 6 (31:59):
Didy's mind, he actually believes she did something to him.
That is the kind of psychopathology that we're seeing here.
One little detail stands out to me, Nancy, and I
haven't been able to get it out of my mind.
She went to rehab numerous times because she wanted a good, sober,
healthy life, and then he readdicted her. She had to
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use substances to get through the freak offs. So this
is yet another indication of sex trafficking.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
This is what John's do. They addict their.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Victims crime stories with Nancy Grace to Sidney Summer joining
me crime story's investigative reporter. It's not just her testimony,
It's not just what she says. Wasn't there a witness
(32:52):
that what was going on in the Intercontinental was a
freak off?
Speaker 4 (32:55):
Yes, Nancy. The first person on the stand, Israel Flores,
security guard at the Intercontinental hotel, testified that he saw
another man in their hotel room. Now, could not have
been unrelated to a freakoff, possibly, but for Tassey to
attack comes in front of this other random man, why
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was he there? Why was he in their room? I
don't understand how the defense is going to combat that
piece of testimony. And they did try and point out
on his cross exam that Flora did not mention that
man in his initial incident report, and Floresa's response was
that he was not involved in the assault. That was
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his concern what he saw in the hallway. So it'll
be interesting to see how they try and prove that
Cassy was upset over texts and this wasn't a freakoff.
Speaker 13 (33:50):
Cassie Ventura switches up her appearance for her third day
on the stand, wearing a tuxedo jacket over a cream
colored blouse. Cassie answers questions softly, almost at a way
the last two days on the stand, maybe taking a
toll on the pregnant mom. Cassie requesting a ten minute
break at just an hour into her cross examination. When
Cassie returns from her break, she clutches a string of
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beads with a tassel on it as lawyer Anna Estavo
continues to ask her about sexually explicit text messages sent
to her boyfriend in the early years of their relationship.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
These freak offs lasted between one and four days.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Cassie Ventira choking on a six workers urine.
Speaker 9 (34:29):
This was a man with seemingly unlimited power and willing
to use it to do whatever it takes to get
what he wants.
Speaker 7 (34:36):
What's the truth that I did? A is much much
more talk.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Cassie Ventira on the stand throughout the day. On cross examination,
she held it like a trooper on direct but during
cross she often broke down in tears. She requested a break,
this as the state is pummeling her with questions about
the nature of her relationship with Shawn comes pointing out
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texts where she seems amenable to free coughs.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Of course those were in the.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Early years when she was very young dating Shawn Colmbs.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
But this is the harsh reality, back out de veteran trial.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Lawyer Greg Morse. To prove a reco racketeering, organized crime,
a conspiracy a crime conspiracy case, you have to have
an underlying crime. It's like prosecuting the mob if they
never committed a murder or a theft or money laundering.
Prosecute the gang hanging out at Uncle Pauly's.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
That's not a crime. There has to be a crime
that the.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Group comes together, even very loosely, and enables.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
The group has to enable a crime. What am I
getting at?
Speaker 1 (35:49):
If the defense can show or prove to the jury
that everything that happened was willing and consensual, then there
is no rape and there is nothing that was done illegally.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
See what I mean.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
So everyone keeps saying, this is not about domestic abuse,
this is not about a sex attack, This is about
rico and sex trafficking. Without the underlying felonies, you don't
have a case.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
Well, You're right, you don't.
Speaker 8 (36:20):
But in this situation the way it's charged, that could
be prostitution transporting other sex workers, not Cassie and the rape.
So they don't need to prove necessarily just that, you know.
But you again, I think you proved it in the
segment you just did. This is a domestic violence situation
that everybody's bootstrapping into this horrible sex trafficking case.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
That's just not what this is.
Speaker 8 (36:45):
This is and but the government doesn't have a hard
time improving that prostitution is still illegal in America, so.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
They can just use that.
Speaker 8 (36:52):
I've had the government in white collar cases one hundred
million frauds literally use a stamp to show.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
An overt act on money laundering out, so you don't
need we speaking of it.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Overse You mentioned domestic abuse.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
You mentioned even if Cassie Ventura.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Is believed by the jury, which I don't think they're
going to do after that video, that it was all
willing and consensual.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
When you get to the.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Domestic violence and forcing her into the free coughs, she
states very clearly on the stand that employees of Sean
Combs knew what was happening and enabled it.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
There's your Loose Confederation listen.
Speaker 13 (37:38):
Colmb's assistance were very aware of how Combs treated her,
saw her injuries and de Rock, a security guard, was
once brought to tears by her appearance after a beating.
In addition to testimony, security guards took Cassie to a
plastic surgeon for stitches. Combs driver Roger Bonds once physically
caught her as she tried to run from Combs and
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were turned her to him.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
So Sidney Sumner, they were all in it together, the
bodyguard chasing her down and physically making her come back
to Sean Comb's. Everybody that ordered baby oil lighting booked
a room called cleanup. Hey, let's see the video of
cleanup coming after a freak off at the Intercontinental.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
They didn't have just a trash bag.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
They have to have basically a dumpster that they're going
down and cleaning out.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
The room after a freak off.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
They were all part of it, Sydney, that is the gang,
the loose Confederation.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
Yes, Nancy, it seems like there were many many people,
whether or not unwittingly, participating in setting up these freakoffs.
Cassie testified earlier this morning. Tomes was very very secretive
about these freakoffs with his staff. They even wore mats
to conceal their identity. So Prossy says that, yes, assistants
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were involved in setting things up. They brought lighting, they
brought baby oil, They followed whatever Comb's requests were up
until the freak off began, and from their homes kept
it a secret what happened in that?
Speaker 2 (39:18):
What about it? Greg Morse? Greg Morris, do you wear
a mask? We'll go to work because you don't want
people to know it's you. No, because I did. I
hope it's not a crime if I did.
Speaker 8 (39:29):
It's not a crime if I did, though, so you.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Can have this sex party.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
So I don't understand whilest silence.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
With the consensual sex party that she says. She literally says,
I didn't tell him much. It was rude head. I
didn't want to shoot her.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
When you were hearing this this testimony, knowing Combs as
you did as his former pr guru, do you believe
it's possible.
Speaker 7 (39:58):
I think that it He is guilty. I think this
video changed everything. I'm in a group text with several
people who have worked with Diddy throughout the years, and
some people in that text. When this first started, what
a year and a half ago, we were hearing rumors
some people that worked for him, not me, but some
people still believed he was innocent until that video was
(40:20):
released by CNN. That video has changed everything. And what
I'm shocked about here, Nancy, is that Diddy is a
very cautious, very controlling individual. The fact that video even
exists is a miracle. Thank god it does exist. You
try to get rid of it. But the fact that
he thought he was so above the law that he
(40:43):
could attack somebody in a public orway of a hotel
and get away with it gives us an insight into
who this man really is.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
In the last hours, the judge warning the defense they've
got to high noon tomorrow to finish across exam of
Cassie Ventura, Tira considers suicide after what she lived through
with Combs.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Listen.
Speaker 14 (41:07):
Cassie struggled with depression and suicidal thoughts after Combs. Even
as she moved on with her now husband Alex Fine,
Combs continued to threaten her, demanding he'd be reimbursed for
Cassie's training sessions with Fine. At one point, Combs cryptically
wrote he had iPads full of skeletons. Recordings of the
freak Offs. Cassie says her husband stopped her from walking
(41:28):
out of their home into busy traffic.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Straight out to Lynn Shaw founder director Lynz Warriors, what
technical legal term a pos threatening her with quote iPads
full of skeletons. She was on the brink of suicide
after what she went through with Combs.
Speaker 9 (41:49):
You know, Nancy, we see this time and time again. Listen,
the public has to realize and I'm going to go
back to the justice system as well. These people are
psychologically down. They've been groomed, they've been trapped, They're not
in control. She went to rehab, she tried to clean
herself up. Luckily, right now she's got a supportive husband.
(42:10):
You know, she's a mom.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
She's about to have another, her third baby. But here's
the thing.
Speaker 9 (42:15):
Many of our victims and survivors that we speak to,
they tell us this same exact playbook, the same exact story.
They just can't handle it anymore, and they figure nobody
believes them, nobody wants to help them. The person with
the power and the money, they're in control, and they say,
you know what, it would just be a better place
if I was gone. And there's also that element we
have to remind everybody they're embarrassed, believe it or not.
(42:38):
And I'm tired of people who say to me, oh,
why don't these people just kick and run away and
go somewhere. Where are they going when somebody's holding this
over their heads? These videos?
Speaker 2 (42:47):
And I want to point.
Speaker 9 (42:48):
Out, we still don't know where are all these videos
perhaps uploaded also to poorn websites forever for people to
look at.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
We don't know.
Speaker 9 (42:56):
All I know is this is the same playbook psychological damaged.
And we should commend Cassie for coming forward for all victims,
not just of Sean Colm's Dirty Diddy, but all of
them watching right now are telling me they are traumatized
listening to everything in this trial.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
For what it's worth, Cassie Ventira, we believe you.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye,
Host
Nancy Grace
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