June 9, 2025 • 42 mins
Sean Combs arranged “hotel nights” in New York, Los Angeles, Miami, and Turks and Caicos, according to testimony from a witness identified as “Jane.” She told jurors she relied on Combs’ chief of staff, Kristina Khorram, to arrange travel, while Combs’ assistants prepared the hotel rooms with protective coverings, mood lighting, candles, lubricant, and large quantities of baby oil. She said Combs was obsessed with baby oil and claimed they used up to two dozen bottles during a single “hotel night.”
Jane testified she met Combs during a girls’ trip to Miami hosted by a friend. Two months later, she planned to return to Miami when Combs offered to pay for her hotel room in exchange for a date.
In the months that followed, she described a whirlwind of lavish dates and trips. She said Combs frequently offered her ketamine and ecstasy. After a 15-day trip, she said Combs gave her $10,000, saying it was compensation for keeping her away from work. That financial support soon became routine, with Combs eventually taking over her rent payments.
Jane said that four months into the relationship, Combs asked her to fantasize about another man. In the moment, she agreed. She testified that Combs immediately made calls to arrange a session and, within hours, they were in a hotel suite set up by his assistants. The room was prepared with lighting and protective coverings, she said, and they met “Don,” a man from Cowboys for Angels.
Believing she was fulfilling a one-time fantasy for her boyfriend, Jane agreed to have sex with Don. But she compared her consent to opening a “Pandora’s box” she could no longer close.
Every meeting that followed involved sex with another man, she said. Although she protested, both verbally and in writing, Combs allegedly threatened to break up with her and cut off financial support if she refused.
Jurors were reportedly shocked by Jane’s testimony describing what occurred during these “hotel nights.”
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Troy Slaten - Los Angeles Criminal Defense Attorney, Slaten Lawyers, APC; X @TroySlaten
- Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst, Author: "Deal Breaker," and featured in hit show "Paris in Love" on Peacock; Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, X: @DrBethanyLive
- Tisa Tells - Pop Culture Investigator & Commentator and Host of 'Tisa Tells' on YouTube; YouTube: @TisaTells, Instagram & TikTok: @TisaTellss
- Lynn Shaw - Founder and Executive Director of Lynn's Warriors, Host of Lynn's Warriors on YouTube; X: @lynns_warriors, YouTube: @LynnsWarriors
- Rob Shuter - Host: Naughty But Nice Podcast, Former Publicist of Sean Combs, and Author: "The 4 Word Answer;"IG: @naughtygossip
- Sydney Sumner - Crime Stories Investigative Reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Dirty Diddy mistrial after all
of this, as we learn, hotel night mouth sores and
urinary tract infections are grossing out the jury. Good evening.
(00:21):
I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories, joining us an
all star panel, but first straight out to the Monahan
Federal Courthouse. Standing by special guests, Tissa tells investigator commentator,
host of Tisa Tales on YouTube, Tisa, thank you for
being with us. What's the latest from the courtroom today?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
The latest on the courtroom today is Diddy's team is spiraling.
Why because that motion for mistrial the prosecution let it sit.
They came in today and they axig judge, can you
let us adjust this tomorrow now? Why are people on
the inside of the courtroom saying, and of course the
gossip street.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Saying why this is a bad thing is because did
he want it?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
To try to weigh a way to slow down or
stop Janeo's testimony. A lot of people have been saying
it sounds like a jealous girlfriend. He was paying rent.
I really don't know what to think today it gets dark.
Jane Doe is expected to testify that did he did
a Cassie. He brutally assaulted her, bruised her up, blacked
(01:20):
her eye, then made her put on makeup, perform and
do a freak golf hotel night whatever did He's calling
it these days, and to do it, Jane Doe has
messages and whatever. Now on the ground did He's team
since his pr people on the ground since last Thursday
have been trying to connect with bloggers.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
They've been trying to connect with YouTubers.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
They've been trying to cozy up the press because it
seems like as much as they say that Janejoe's testimony
is a non starter, they are waiting for the other
shoot job.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
So there was a lot of tension and Judge Aaron
he called.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
A mysterious bleak counsel on the court reporter. He took
them all into his chambers, just the two lead consoles and.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
The court reporter.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
When he came out, the prosecution ended defense teams how
don't like football players, and they were whispering furiously for
twenty minutes. Nobody knows what they actually discussed, but it
looks like it has both teams just shocked and a
little bit thrown off.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Hold on, just a moment. I want to go back
over something you said, Tisa Tales joining me from the courthouse. Tisa. Generally,
when all the lawyers get together and they start fighting,
it's either about a very important piece of evidence, a witness,
or the schedule. Like if the judge said we are
ending July the fourth, get it together, that will throw
(02:39):
them all into a panic. Now I want to go
back to what you said. Oh, there's so many things
you said. I'm drinking from the fire hydrant here. Number one,
what they said about a mistrial, first thing this morning,
that kicked it off right, And then I want to
talk to you about Jane not her real name, being
forced to put on makeup and get back in the
(02:59):
ring a hotel night. Now, that's putting perfume on the
pig a hotel night, and it's more like a twenty
four hour sex marathon where she said she had to
hold such weird sex positions for hours on end her back.
Actually ached this on top of mouthstores and UTI's one jerror.
(03:19):
I think it was a lady jeror to look at
one of the hotel night or free cough pictures and
actually covered her eyes and looked away so much happening
in the courtroom, and we have ditty caught on tape.
But first to the mistrial, let me just say continuance.
They filed for a mistrial and then they say, oh,
(03:40):
you know what, we're gonna deal with that tomorrow. Did
that really happen?
Speaker 4 (03:44):
So let me be clear.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Okay, the prosecution told them to cool their jets and
they will respond for to the misstrial tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
The defense came in very very happy. They were skipping
to the daisies.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
However, I think he expected the prosecution to come back
with the bet and address the mistrial, and they said
for right now. Jane Do's testimony that they've been trying
to slow down and stop.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Is one hundred percent happening.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
And when you talk about all the horrible things, today's
testimony is the most gruesome, the most disgusting, and the
most shocking testimony we've heard.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Okay, to Troy Slayton joining me, don't move TSA tells
Troy Slayton joining me is a veteran trial lawyer out
of the LA jurisdiction. He's tried a lot of cases.
He's at Slaton Lawyers. Okay, Troy, I want to get
your legal opinion, because I've seen defense attorney to do
it over and over again, and it's a tried and
true tactic they try. If you've got a good the
(04:42):
state puts up a really good witness, right, they try
to slow it down, they try to throw it off.
They have motions for mistrial. They you know, knock over
their bucket of water on the table. The client acts
like he's going to pass out anything to slow damn
out the witness, you know, like in a basketball gang
(05:04):
time out, time out, time out, right, when the other
side's about to score. Time out. Yeah, that's what that is.
They're trying because they're not going to get a mistrial,
all right. That is total BS technical legal term. They're
not getting a mistrial, right, or the judge would have
already granted it. That's not happening. But this is a
way to slow down Jang's testimony. Agree or disagree, Well,
(05:27):
I think it's possible.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
I don't know exactly what the defense strategy is, but
I know that both sides you tactics to slow things down,
and in this case, the defense was really concerned about
the jury. Repeatedly seen Jane Doe's iPhone messages and it
was showing potentially. Prosecutors argue her state of mind. The
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defense attorneys argue that it was improperly bolsting her testimony
and that it was hearsay. It was an out of
court statement being offered for its truth, even though it
was the statement of the witness.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Okay, so let me just break down what you just said.
You state that it was an out of court statement
that is being presented for his veracity or his truth.
That's like, that's bad. But when that particular witness is
on the stand, there's no objection because the witness can
be cross examined on that. If the witness were not
(06:25):
on the stand, it would amount to hearsay and it
would be disallowed. Straight back out to Tisa Tell's joining
US Investigator commentator host of Tisa tells on YouTube, Okay, Tisa,
I want to talk about him forcing her comes forcing
Jane not her real name, to put makeup over her
(06:47):
bruises and get back in the ring.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Listen, that detail disgusted everyone. Everybody knows what is coming
to get back into the ring.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
And to do a Cassie. The thing is being in
the courtroom. There's a lot of legal arguments that can play.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
But when you saw the jury's fasis, when you saw
the up with disgust, when you saw each horrific, you
talk about your nation, you talk how about the fact
that there were pictures of she demanded that her get
pierced and it got infected and because it was pulling
on the stripper customs.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. You
kind of like come glossed over that. I believe what
you meant to say, Tisa Tails is that Sean Combs
demanded that Jane have her nipples pierced. She didn't want to,
(07:42):
he insisted on it. They got infected. There's no nice
way to say it. There was puss and she removed
the nipple piercings, and he got mad and demanded she
repierced the nipples. Okay, hit me, tell me the whole thing.
And I especially want to hear aside from the nipple piercings,
(08:03):
I definitely want to hear about the jury looking disgusted,
because there's nothing better for the state than a juror
to actually get nauseated during the testimony. All right, Okay,
start at the beginning case.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
So start at the beginning Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
The first time I saw the juris get visibly disgusted
and there was a lot thrown out, was when she
talked about the way he demanded lied to her and
to sir By frog trickter into going the whole.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Tall nights, even though it was supposed to be them.
She would show up, he would demand she would put.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
On these stripper costumes, these seven inch plastic hills slipping
around a baby oil, and he even demanded, in addition
to fix it getting new veneers, that she'd get her
nipples piers. They would get snagged on the netting indie
stripper costumes that she had to stay in for thirty
six to forty hours. There was infection, there was puss,
there was bleeding. When we heard that, we were all repulsed.
(08:57):
But to see the effect on the jury, it really
took if everybody was just shocked and disgusted.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
She kept on telling about how while this was going
she had to take it out and he kept demanding,
you've put those back in, when is it coming in.
It really hammered home that he had complete control of
her mind, her body.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
It was a performance that was on demand.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Okay, that was the first time I genuinely saw the
jury saying Okay, this is too much. But since then,
in Janejoe's testimony, the jury has been with Jane Doe.
The level of brutality that's been played again. There are
jurors that are middle age, a few that are younger,
a lot that are older men and women rubbing their heads,
(09:44):
covering their mouths and looking away uncomfortably.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
This is not going good with two Diddy.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
And to your point, I do believe this is why
they are throwing spaghetti at the street and mobilizing anything
they can to actually get this mistral going.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
We're hearing a lot from the stand now. I want
you to hear let me, let get the control and
to pull it up. I want to hear Sean Comes voicemail.
But first I want to address with you, Tisa, what
we just heard from Troy Slayton about Jane's messages text
messages to Sean Comes. What did they reveal?
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Dave rebil that unlike Cassie who you have the violence.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
So a normal person, a reasonable person wouldn't think that
that was consensual, but Jane had an extra level continual messages.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
I don't like this. You lied to me.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
You said it would be just us this time. You're
making me take pills and show up and perform. You're
using me as your own, for lack of better words,
a prostitute. I'm just a toy to you. But it
was continuing hammering, no, I don't want this, no that
I don't want this. You took me, You lied to me.
And I see why the defense is so worried because
it was not playing well with the jury. Everything that
(11:02):
they said that Cassie didn't have as evidence Jane actually has.
And again with each message, every single message at one
time said you lied to me.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
I just want you. I don't want this, I don't
want to do this. Can we stop? Please? And there
were messages even to KK, who I'm.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Sure you guys are aware the prosecutors named as a
co conspirator in court last week. So it was really
pulling together the rico and really proving pulling in that
it wasn't a grown woman making a grown decision.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
This was forced.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
This was brutality, and it literally was when she stopped
saying yeah, I'm fine with the party, and when she
started saying no, that's when the diddy that Cassie knows
actually came forward.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
So it was a really powerful moment in court.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
You know, tast the tales. I was thinking about something
that Jane not her real name said on the stand.
She was dating so to speak, Sean Combs and they
were making out and he says, well, I have a fantasy,
and she says, well, what's the fantasy? And he describes
bringing in a quote entertainer, which is sex a male
(12:14):
sex worker, for the sex worker to have sex with
Jane while he watches and masturbates and directs, and she said,
you know, and I guess a show of goodwill. Oh yeah,
that would be great someday. And he goes, okay, stop everything,
and right there on the spot, he gets up, gets
on the phone and arranges a hotel night aka freak
(12:36):
Cough that night. And she's like, wait, well, what could
you describe that?
Speaker 2 (12:42):
So that was actually shocking to see it play out
in front of the jury too. Okay, so you have
her saying at first, I was like, where are they going?
Because she was painting a love story. She's a very smooth,
very sultry, sweet innocent voice at the same time, you know.
Speaker 6 (12:58):
And she was saying you know Sean and I, you know,
we made love.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
It was so passionate. He was so good to me.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
At one point, even the jury was like, is this
is this happening? However, when she started saying and then
the first night, it was so passionate, and he said, hey,
have you ever heard a voyeurism? And he started broaching
the idea, and she said, I went along with it
because I wanted to please my partner. And the shock
(13:26):
I think the room actually gasped, and the shock on
the jury's face when she said she went to the
bathroom after saying that, and he came back into She
came back into the room, and he had a.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Serious look in his face, and he was on his phone.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
In a bathroom and said, before she left, she said,
I can make this happen if you want. And she said,
I mean yeah again, she still sounds like she thinks
it's fantasy. And she said, in less than two hours
she found herself in the room. A pill popped into
her mouth. Okay, a pill popped into her mouth, which,
by the way, I think the first time gave her
(14:00):
that pill, she almost odeed. Okay, but a new pill
popped into her mouth and from then she was doing
something she never imagined she did do. And even at
that time, it says weird disconnect where she was saying
in such a sweet sultry voice, you know, like I
did it.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
To please my partner, and I totalim I enjoyed that.
And the whole time, the.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Prosecution is leading us down this road to hell, because
with each time it started off saying, well, maybe she
did want it, and then it led down a road
to hell. And again the way that she went from
saying I'm really enjoying it to the time the testimony
had end, she is saying.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
I don't want this. You lied to me, You think
this of me, you think that of me.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
And he is still at this point not only demanding
the hotel nights.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
He classed it up since the free calls. The free
calls were early two thousands. Now he's into the hotel nights.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Then it moved into him threatening to throw her out
of the house at ten thousand rent and also threatening violence. However,
we're now seeing him jump the shark and getting into
the Sean Diddy Kombs violence.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
So it was a lot. It was a lot for
the jury to take in.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 7 (15:19):
Yeah, that's my friend. I'm in Miami. I don't have
a lot of friends out here. Okay. She asked me
if she could work out with me. I said, Okay,
you gotta believe what you want. It's the last time
you're gonna be cursing at me, disrespecting me over nothing
like I have. I'm a human being. I'm not gonna
lock myself up in a room and have no friends.
(15:40):
I don't have a bunch of guy friends. I already
told you that. And she's just came over to work out.
But I'm not gonna be explaining to you. Don't matter
if I just got finished her.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
The other day.
Speaker 7 (15:52):
I'm saying I could do whatever I want to, but
I didn't. You're straight flipping out on me. And I
told you that you had one more time to do
this flipping out of me. If somebody came to work
out with me at my house, your nuts so be sad,
go crazy, do whatever you want to do.
Speaker 8 (16:08):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (16:08):
I don't deserve you. I don't deserve being honest with somebody.
And then every time they see somebody around, they like
I'm doing something something working out?
Speaker 1 (16:24):
What a big fat lie? Joining us at the Manahan Courthouse,
TISA tells with US an investigator and commentator host of
TISA tells on YouTube what seawan COM's actually trying to
tell Jane not her real name, that he has a
girl over in workout tights and a workout bra at
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his house and all they're doing is working out. And
when she rightfully gets angry, he says, you're crazy. I'm
leaving you. I'm not putting up with you. And then
the earlier message that was played in court, Troy Slayton
(17:06):
was pointing out messages from her to him trying to
get out of hotel nights. He says, get on your job,
because that's really all it is. Okay, describe these two
messages we just heard.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
So that first message I think was the first moment
that Diddy's defence team said we need another misschall motion.
Because when that message was played and he said you
need to get on your job, I believe everybody's mind
flashed the Cassie when Cassie said, this was my job.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
But at that moment, there was one.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Jurd and I think this gentleman encompassed with the courtroom
felt he literally put his hand on his head rubbed
the top of his head and just took a deep
sigh and dropped his hands.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
It.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
It literally hit the courtroom like a bomb again, the
prosecution and I think at that moment everybody said, Okay,
this is Rico, this is sex trafficking by fraud.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
But when it descended into the gas lighting, where.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
She's still saying in her sweet honey voice, you know,
I tried to be everything he wanted, and I wanted
to be everything for him, and then I see him
get this girl everything she I didn't have.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
She was in a thing.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
The level of gaslighting, the level of manipulation, and the
level that even the men on the jury and I'm
not gonna lie, I was worried about the men on
the jury when they looked at him. Everybody was just
looking and had the same thing, like you are just
horrible through and through. But this is a pattern, it
is a game, and why this girl is so in
love with you. You are literally doing the pimp Romeo tactic
(18:44):
of love bombing and grooming her and then pull her back.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
It was really, really.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Bad, and I think at that time they said, we
need a mistrial, we need to try to derail this train.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
So taste the tails. Joining us at the courthouse. I
know you're not an actress, but could you just display
from me some of the disgusting looks the jury is making.
I gotta see this.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Okay, so one juror which I'm not gonna lie before
she seemed to not be buying anything the prosecution was
putting down. I looked at her and looked at them
as ground zero of this might be the nullification. When
she saw the pictures, okay, it was this, she literally recoiled.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Straight out to renounce. Psycho Alice joining us from Beverly Hills,
Doctor Bethany Marshall. She's the author of deal Breakers. You
can see her now on Peacock and you can find
her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany. When
I heard his words is a job, that's all it is.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
That sealed it.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
He is sex trafficking. He's luring these women, as Tisa
Tel said, in the pimp Romeo style, and then using
them for sex shows, even when they are unwilling.
Speaker 9 (20:01):
Nancy, what's the difference between this and some guys standing
in a trench coat on a street corner looking for
little girls walking by and then pretending to love them,
and then then gaining control over them, and then giving
them gifts, and then threatening to withdraw their love if
hit their love if the little girl doesn't go along
with them, and then saying, well, now you've you've taken
(20:22):
this on as a job, so you can't stop doing this.
It's the same tactic, whether it's from a pedophile, sex
trafficker on the street p ditty, it never waivers or changes.
And when we think of the domestic abuse hotline, I
was looking at the science of domestic abuse, possessiveness, control, belittling,
humiliating you in front of other people. I could go
(20:43):
on and on, but this is this is domestic abuse, yes,
but at a more serious level, it is sex trafficking.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Join me now, host of Naughty but Nice podcast. You
can find him at Robshooter dot substack dot com. That
sh ut Er, author of the Forward Answer, and more
importantly for tonight, the former PR guru for Sean Comes.
I was concerned that when you heard his voice on
(21:12):
those messages it might give you flashbacks. But see he
would show one side, the side that you orchestrated. Rob
Shooter to the public. The glam Diddy, But now we're
learning about pimp Diddy. That's what we're learning. This woman,
Jane had mouth sores, urinary repeat urinary tract infections, and
(21:36):
would be forced to hold weird sex positions for hours
on end to where she actually developed a back ailment.
Yet you heard the way he talked to her, basically
throwing her back in the ring thoughts.
Speaker 8 (21:53):
It's really an alarming, horrifying insight. I've spoke to you before, Nancy,
about how did he sees his life like a movie?
He plots his life as I think Jane here has
outdone her teacher, the pupil has become the master here.
What she did on the stand was so amazing. It
started as a love story, as a as a rom con,
(22:17):
and it turned into this horror movie. It was very theatrical,
it was very cinematic, and it's going to be very impactful.
I spoke to my Diddy sources, and for the first
time during this trial, I'm told they're really, really nervous.
They were confident, over confident for a long time, Nancy.
(22:37):
That tide has changed. Now they fear, they're real, real
fear coming out of team did he.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
And you know what Rob Shooter, You, with all these
years as a PR expert, the jury can very likely
smell the stink of fear. You can. Actually it's like
a presence in the courtroom. Once the tide turns, certainly
the whole dynamic changes in the courtroom. And I want
(23:06):
to hear from your point of view, specifically, how Sean
Combs is responding to this turn in the time.
Speaker 8 (23:15):
He'll be shocked, so at first he'll be in denial
about it. I've been at a lot of his shows
and some of them did not go very well, and
he used to say afterwards, I could feel the crowd.
I'm losing the crowd. That's what he must be feeling
right now. He is losing this jury. However, knowing Puffy
like I do, he doesn't give in without a fight.
Speaker 10 (23:35):
He's going to be screaming at his lawyers. He's going
to be screaming at his team. It's no coincidence that
suddenly his PR machine is outside the trial trying to
influence people to say nice things. They know, they know
they're in trouble, but they are not giving up without
a fight.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Did you hear Rob Shooter that Ray j who I
got in a big knockdown here, notckdown, drag out with
the other day over. Sean Combs has now threatened to
leave the country because of the Didy trial. He should
want to stay in the country because of the Diddy trial,
because these women are being represented in court, They're being
(24:16):
given a voice after years of abuse. But he wants
to leave the country. Really him and Alec Baldwin.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Bye, I heard this story.
Speaker 8 (24:24):
I saw your conversation with him. I think into that
being a coward. You know, Nancy, I do not have
to sit down and get on your show with you,
as much as I enjoy talking to you, Nancy, but
I think people that worked with Diddy, people that maybe
once defended Diddy, have to nice speak out. You can't
be quiet, you can't run away. That is being complicit.
(24:45):
You have to speak out. There are a lot of
people in New York around the world who made a
lot of money by being around Diddy. Editors of magazines,
executives at Esta Lorda, the Fragrance Company, Executives at maces
where they sold his clothing line. Where are all those
people now? I tried to come and call a lot
of them, and nobody's returning my cause they are all
(25:08):
running away, maybe not leaving the country, but the running away.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Running away from Shawn Combs. And also what's concerning for instance,
here Ray j is a great example. He seems very likable.
You know, a lot of people think he's handsome and talented.
If he is siding with Shawn Combs after all this testimony,
that's not good because it's a test for who on
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the jury could be feeling the same way. Back to
Tisa Tels joining us outside the courthouse, you described one gurrr,
a lady gerrar, who you've been a little worried about
up front, and then you went to two other jurrrs,
I believe you said, on the back left.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yeah, so in the middle row on the left. Okay,
they're sharing a monitor.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Again. I have to tell you how impactful this was.
The prosecution didn't just show one picture, two picture. It
was like again again and again. So it was rapid fire.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
And they were leaning in almost as if they were
looking at like gruesome carnage and leaning out. At one
point she looked to the side. The jury was visibly uncomfortable.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
They were squirming.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
They literally had to look away, and the prosecution didn't
let up. Another picture, another picture, another picture, and it
was so impactful. Again, I'm not gonna lie. At that time,
I think mistrial. They started to get the idea of
throwing in another mistrial. The jury was repulsed. But again
this shock the all leaning in like what is that?
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Oh my god, it was a lot.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Again.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
We wanted to see what was on those photos too,
But I see the point the prosecution was making, like
these are very graphic, disgusting whatever it.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Is, but it bought it home on what a hotel night?
Was a dirty free call?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Tason. What about the male jurors are they responding the
same way as the lady grors?
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I gotta go how to say, it was a little
bit concerned about the male jervers, but when it comes
to the graphic nature and the pictures, they also were
very very disgusted again leaning in, what is that, rubbing
their heads looking to the side, just being like.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Are these size of woof? Like it was a lot.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Again the prosecution through all of the smoke screens.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
You know, they are moving forward now and again.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
When we heard testimony about the ten thousand rent and
whether you know she was a girlfriend or not, it
seemed like they might have.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Been losing them, but the pictures it bought it home.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
You know, to Troy Slayton, trial lawyer out of LA
when a grown man looks away from a photo of
a sex scene with disgust, a man looks away, it's bad.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
But here's here's what really concerns me, Nancy, is that
the prosecutors shouldn't overplay their hand. They've got a lot
of great evidence against Ditty. But if they engage in
prosecutorial misconduct.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Why do you if they engage in prospect enough evidence.
If you're saying the state's putting on too much evidence,
it's true.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
They can't use is one witness to say that Diddy
is a liar again and again unless he testifies. So
the federal rules of evidence are very specific.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
All you've got to defend is a liar.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Looking away from a photo of a naked woman.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
Nancy.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
They're disgusted, they're nauseated, they're grossed out, and you're talking
what that's what I'm as But you're trying to make
me talk about something.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
They have a great, wonderful playbook of all this evidence.
Why don't they just stick to that? Why do they
try to overplay their hand by keeping to show these
text messages that say that Diddy is a liar because.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
The federal rule that's terrible when you have a royal
federal rules don't allow it.
Speaker 11 (29:01):
Jane says. Did he flew her to Vegas on his
private jets so they could have a hotel night where
Jane says she had sex with an entertainer other men
she would have sex with at Comb's direction. Combs uses
the term freak to refer to her, sometimes saying he
wants his freak, meaning he wanted her to be wild
and sexual.
Speaker 12 (29:20):
Jane asked Diddy on multiple occasions to allow the men
he was directing her to have sex with wear condoms
during hotel nights, but Didy was dismissive. A conversation was
captured on video of a hotel night. Jane can be
heard asking don to wear a condom, but did he intervenes?
When Prosecutor Comy asks why Jane needed Comb's permission to
have the men wear a condom, Jane gets emotional, saying
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she was still trying to process that.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Tasa Tails joining us from the courthouse would not allow
her to have the guy. The entertainer sex worker paid
sex worker where a condom. He insisted, does she have
unpre detected sex with a male sex worker? And you
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hear it on the audio.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
You hear it on the audio. You hear her sweet
caramel baby boy saying.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Can we please, it's on the chair, can you just
get it? And you hear Diddy coming in saying, what
are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (30:22):
You already did it once, you already took the d
without it. At that point, again, people were on the
fence is this a love story because she was painting
it as a love story. It actually sounds like she
still loves this guy, but she was still telling her truth.
And when that happened, the repulsion, there was a gas
in the courtroom and the repulsion that you saw on
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the jurors faces. And that's when the men realize there
is not a person on earth that would choose I
would hope not to have unprotected sex with a entertainer
willingly unless there was something else going on.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
So it was a very shocking moment in the courtroom.
And I think hearing him boy her on camera on
tape was a lot. It was a lot to take in.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
You hear that.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Troy Slayton, the death now I hear it again, is
coming from the witness stand in the Diddy trial.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
For whom the bell told thoughts, Yes.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
That's your thought. You ripped off the title of a book, Nancy.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
The bells don't mean anything here. What matters is what
happens in the courtroom. And there are rules that both
sides have to follow.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Okay, I think I know somebody that disagrees with you.
Her name is Lynn Shaw. She is a founder and
director of Lynn's Warriors, a nonprofit which means a lot
to me because she ain't in it for the money
dedicated to stopping sex trafficking and abuse of women and girls.
Speaker 13 (31:55):
Thoughts, thoughts, I'm jumping out of my chair here, Triple D, dirty, degenerate.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
I am so happy.
Speaker 13 (32:02):
I'm going to use the word happy. I never smile,
I never say i'm happy. I am happy that we
are in week five of this trial because Jane has
brought forth now all of this that I was hoping
and praying for. Because I've been involved, Nancy, in so
many of these cases with victims sex trafficking, and we
can't prove them.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
I've been so worried.
Speaker 13 (32:21):
But you know what, Jane put us over the edge,
and I'm so glad Tisa is here to lay out
what the jury how they're reacting, their facial expressions. They're disgusted,
and you know what, real men don't beat women. So
I'm happy to hear they're repelling, they're looking disgusted, the
women are looking away because again I always maintained Cassie video.
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Now we have Jane, Now we have all this testimony,
and you know what, Jane is a victim of trauma bonding.
I am waiting. I am hoping somebody takes the stand
that's going to describe what these women go through, this
trauma bonding. They think they're in love, but they're just
attached to this abuse. And furthermore, in the work we do,
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sex is not work. So when I hear get back
on your job or whatever he said, you know what
that says to me. Sex trafficking, that says to me, prostitution,
that says to me. Pimp, that says to me, brothel owner.
So you know what, this is a great week. We've
started strong. Let it continue. Dirty Diddy going down.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Tisa tails joining us outside of the Monahan Federal Courthouse. Tisa,
I asked you about the yours reactions, which is really
important to me. At the end of every day during
a trial, not at the end of the trial, but
every day, I would stand in front of the jury
box after everybody had left the courtroom, typically with my
longtime investigator of ten years, Ernest and we would go through, Okay,
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jerr one sits here, blah blah blah, and go through
each one and describe what we observed their reactions to
be during the trial. Because it matters if one gerror
is not responding to the testimony, I would argue directly
to that gr or ask my questions to the witness
over here while looking at that GRR to get the GURRR.
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So now I want to hear about the defendant Sean comes,
how it comes, and or his defense team, which is
a multimillion dollar ensemble. How are they responded.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
So the defense team Tenny Garrigos and Mark Agnofilio, Okay,
they seem to always be in a constant huddle.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
But here's the weird part.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
I firmly believe Sean Diddycombs is a complete control of
his legal team. He's always furiously writing notes, telling them,
interrupting when they're doing their questioning passing notes for them
to pay attention are they have been furiously huddling to themselves,
but then also looking at Sean to actually see how
he's taking it. Brian still is also very casually, always
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looking over and testing, tacking the waters. He the last
few days of the Jane do trial, he has been
up set. He has not been happy, even his minions
that he has trying to make nice with all the
bloggers in the media. There is an urgency and I'm
not gonna lie a bit of desperation that's going going down.
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How's he behaving oddly? Also, I think that's when you really.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
See his his issues, what power and control.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
After the judge yelled at him last week, he's been
oddly staring at the judge, deciding to get up for
no reason in the middle court so he could pour
himself a glass of water, doing all these weird games
for lack of better word. But but it's starting to
wreak of desperation. It started, and that's why it's so
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odd that when you hear about the mistrial on the outside, yeah,
it sounds like they might have something, but in that court,
Jane is having them in a meltdown and Diddy seems
to have a constantly angry and kind of defiant look
when his mask slips, and he keeps trying to keep
us cool.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
But they're looking at him. I think the real Who
song Colmbs is starting to come.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
Out crime stores with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 11 (36:15):
Jane sniffles on and off, and Comy asks about the
time she cried after hotel nights. Jane says the first
time was early in her relationship with Combs and Beverly
Hills at the Waldorf. She thought they were going to
have a one on one date night, but Diddy said
they would have an entertainer, but it would be quick.
The entertainer was there for eighteen hours, and once they
were finished with the entertainer did he told her he
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had to leave. Jane began to cry and Combs looked disgusted.
The second time, Jane was having sex with Paul. Then
she remembers being in the shower with Combs and she
starts to cry. Combs tells her, don't do that right
now because he was too high. She stopped crying.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Okay to Tisa Tails joining us at the courthouse a
store off, Tisa tales on YouTube, I'm just imagining how
the jury is responding to her crying on the stand.
We can't see a picture of her, just those horrible
sketches that come out of the courtroom. What does she
look like? What is her demeanor? I mean, is she
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making the jurrs feel protective of her?
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Listen, I felt protective of her. Her demeanor is very
very feminine. Okay, not seductive, just very feminine, very pleasing.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
Her voice sounds like warm sunshine.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
But I gotta tell you about those cries, and it's hard,
and I think the defense realized she was going to
be a problem the first time her voice broke. When
I say, her cries sound like the way I imagine
a bunny rabbit being tortured sounds, they are gut breaching,
they are heartbreaking, and it literally does something to convey
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the level of pain. Again, my eyes teared up when
I heard her voice crack and when she said it.
But there's a thing where you feel somebody's heart is
breaking to their soul. It really woke the jury up.
The jury was at attention, and you know what, when
I looked at the jury, they were starting to take
notes after that.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Again, this wasn't regular. I was so sad.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
It was heart wrenching cries of just complete destitute. Again,
imagine a bunny rabbit being tortured, and that's.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
What you felt like listening to her cry.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
So again, it's hard to hear it in the transcripts
and to convey.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
The way she is swaying the jury. But she is
a problem. And let's also not forget the defense.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
The defense is also arguing that they want to bring
doctor Hughes back.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
I think that's the victory laugh.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
But also keep in mind with her that the violence,
we have, the coercion, we have the fraud, but the
violence is coming in. So again I think they have
a problem. They have a huge problem.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Doctor Bethany Marshall, when she tastes a tale said it
sounded like a bunny rabbit, a little bunny being tortured,
Doctor Bethany. And did you hear that? It was very quick?
But Tom says, I'm bringing in an entertainer. There euphemism
talk about airbrushing for a paid sex worker, and he says,
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it'll be quick.
Speaker 7 (39:17):
Right.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
It's like what I would tell the children when they're
about to get a big shot, you know, at the
pediatrician's gonna be fasking me all over and it lasted
eighteen hours, and the woman had back ailments from eighteen
hours of holding these weird sex positions.
Speaker 9 (39:34):
And Nancy, this is why the male as well as
the female jurors look disgusted and revulsed. Disgust is sort
of an instinctual response to something that we think will
harm us or be dangerous to us. It's it's what
helps us to survive as a species. So it makes
me think about what are they looking at in those pictures.
They're not just looking at people having sex, They're looking
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at people being hurt. That's why they are disgusted. And
Shane is fascinating because she has elicited empathy.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Empathy is very.
Speaker 9 (40:03):
Hard for human beings when they're inundated with data, and
it's hard for juries. But when somebody cries softly like
a bunny and they talk about the experience of being
in love with somebody who ends up torturing them, that
is very relatable. It's human. We've all gone through that
on some level, whether it's just going out on a
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date and then the guy ghosts you or never calls
you again. That kind of pain is heartbreaking. So I
think This is our magic moment where the jury is
going to really has been grasping the true essence of
the sex trafficking and the torture.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
And then Rob she'ter gaslighting her by having other women
over to quote work out. I mean, she goes for
eighteen hours with a male sex worker, eighteen hours, gets
urinary tract infections, mouth source, and chronic back pain. And
then he advice a woman over to quote work out
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and dares to get mad at her when she's hurt.
Speaker 4 (41:06):
It's hurritic.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Who is this guy?
Speaker 8 (41:09):
We don't know who this guy is, but he is
just a real We know he's a bad guy. But
what I think doesn't matter, it's what the jury thinks.
And I've got to agree here. This is a turning point, Nancy.
I'm telling you all my Diddy sources, all the people
I have been speaking to, they thought they were really
quite arrogant and confident, and dare I say, last week
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even a little bit cocky.
Speaker 9 (41:31):
It's changed.
Speaker 8 (41:32):
They are frightened. Diddy is scared something has happened in
this court and that person that something is Jay and
this testimony is a problem.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Wen Charge joining us from Liam's warriors, there is no
way that an eighteen hour sex session with a male
sex worker is consensual.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
No way.
Speaker 13 (41:55):
Now you understand from day one, Nancy, why I always
called him dirty Diddy. Eighteen hours. I think that's forced coercion,
forcing these women to do things like this, this testimony.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
I keep saying it.
Speaker 13 (42:09):
Jane has turned the whole case around, because I agree
with Rob, because I heard from a few sources. Up
until now, it's been kind of that we're worried about things.
But now Jane has turned it all around. But eighteen hours.
Can you imagine we work with women, their bodies, what
their bodies go through, what their minds go through, and
what happens at the end of eighteen hours. So I
also want to point out what's happening in the court.
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Do we have there some counselors for somebody like a
Jane when she's done relaying all this information. I'm very
worried about these women. Cassie included Jane, and so you
know what, we have to always focus on victims, victims, survivors,
and I hope there's somebody there for them in the courtroom.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
We wait as just a sun falls, goodbye, Rin
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Dirty Diddy mistrial after all
of this, as we learn, hotel night mouth sores and
urinary tract infections are grossing out the jury. Good evening.
(00:21):
I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories, joining us an
all star panel, but first straight out to the Monahan
Federal Courthouse. Standing by special guests, Tissa tells investigator commentator,
host of Tisa Tales on YouTube, Tisa, thank you for
being with us. What's the latest from the courtroom today?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
The latest on the courtroom today is Diddy's team is spiraling.
Why because that motion for mistrial the prosecution let it sit.
They came in today and they axig judge, can you
let us adjust this tomorrow now? Why are people on
the inside of the courtroom saying, and of course the
gossip street.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Saying why this is a bad thing is because did
he want it?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
To try to weigh a way to slow down or
stop Janeo's testimony. A lot of people have been saying
it sounds like a jealous girlfriend. He was paying rent.
I really don't know what to think today it gets dark.
Jane Doe is expected to testify that did he did
a Cassie. He brutally assaulted her, bruised her up, blacked
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her eye, then made her put on makeup, perform and
do a freak golf hotel night whatever did He's calling
it these days, and to do it, Jane Doe has
messages and whatever. Now on the ground did He's team
since his pr people on the ground since last Thursday
have been trying to connect with bloggers.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
They've been trying to connect with YouTubers.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
They've been trying to cozy up the press because it
seems like as much as they say that Janejoe's testimony
is a non starter, they are waiting for the other
shoot job.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
So there was a lot of tension and Judge Aaron
he called.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
A mysterious bleak counsel on the court reporter. He took
them all into his chambers, just the two lead consoles and.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
The court reporter.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
When he came out, the prosecution ended defense teams how
don't like football players, and they were whispering furiously for
twenty minutes. Nobody knows what they actually discussed, but it
looks like it has both teams just shocked and a
little bit thrown off.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Hold on, just a moment. I want to go back
over something you said, Tisa Tales joining me from the courthouse. Tisa. Generally,
when all the lawyers get together and they start fighting,
it's either about a very important piece of evidence, a witness,
or the schedule. Like if the judge said we are
ending July the fourth, get it together, that will throw
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them all into a panic. Now I want to go
back to what you said. Oh, there's so many things
you said. I'm drinking from the fire hydrant here. Number one,
what they said about a mistrial, first thing this morning,
that kicked it off right, And then I want to
talk to you about Jane not her real name, being
forced to put on makeup and get back in the
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ring a hotel night. Now, that's putting perfume on the
pig a hotel night, and it's more like a twenty
four hour sex marathon where she said she had to
hold such weird sex positions for hours on end her back.
Actually ached this on top of mouthstores and UTI's one jerror.
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I think it was a lady jeror to look at
one of the hotel night or free cough pictures and
actually covered her eyes and looked away so much happening
in the courtroom, and we have ditty caught on tape.
But first to the mistrial, let me just say continuance.
They filed for a mistrial and then they say, oh,
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you know what, we're gonna deal with that tomorrow. Did
that really happen?
Speaker 4 (03:44):
So let me be clear.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Okay, the prosecution told them to cool their jets and
they will respond for to the misstrial tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
The defense came in very very happy. They were skipping
to the daisies.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
However, I think he expected the prosecution to come back
with the bet and address the mistrial, and they said
for right now. Jane Do's testimony that they've been trying
to slow down and stop.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Is one hundred percent happening.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
And when you talk about all the horrible things, today's
testimony is the most gruesome, the most disgusting, and the
most shocking testimony we've heard.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Okay, to Troy Slayton joining me, don't move TSA tells
Troy Slayton joining me is a veteran trial lawyer out
of the LA jurisdiction. He's tried a lot of cases.
He's at Slaton Lawyers. Okay, Troy, I want to get
your legal opinion, because I've seen defense attorney to do
it over and over again, and it's a tried and
true tactic they try. If you've got a good the
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state puts up a really good witness, right, they try
to slow it down, they try to throw it off.
They have motions for mistrial. They you know, knock over
their bucket of water on the table. The client acts
like he's going to pass out anything to slow damn
out the witness, you know, like in a basketball gang
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time out, time out, time out, right, when the other
side's about to score. Time out. Yeah, that's what that is.
They're trying because they're not going to get a mistrial,
all right. That is total BS technical legal term. They're
not getting a mistrial, right, or the judge would have
already granted it. That's not happening. But this is a
way to slow down Jang's testimony. Agree or disagree, Well,
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I think it's possible.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
I don't know exactly what the defense strategy is, but
I know that both sides you tactics to slow things down,
and in this case, the defense was really concerned about
the jury. Repeatedly seen Jane Doe's iPhone messages and it
was showing potentially. Prosecutors argue her state of mind. The
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defense attorneys argue that it was improperly bolsting her testimony
and that it was hearsay. It was an out of
court statement being offered for its truth, even though it
was the statement of the witness.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Okay, so let me just break down what you just said.
You state that it was an out of court statement
that is being presented for his veracity or his truth.
That's like, that's bad. But when that particular witness is
on the stand, there's no objection because the witness can
be cross examined on that. If the witness were not
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on the stand, it would amount to hearsay and it
would be disallowed. Straight back out to Tisa Tell's joining
US Investigator commentator host of Tisa tells on YouTube, Okay, Tisa,
I want to talk about him forcing her comes forcing
Jane not her real name, to put makeup over her
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bruises and get back in the ring.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Listen, that detail disgusted everyone. Everybody knows what is coming
to get back into the ring.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
And to do a Cassie. The thing is being in
the courtroom. There's a lot of legal arguments that can play.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
But when you saw the jury's fasis, when you saw
the up with disgust, when you saw each horrific, you
talk about your nation, you talk how about the fact
that there were pictures of she demanded that her get
pierced and it got infected and because it was pulling
on the stripper customs.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. You
kind of like come glossed over that. I believe what
you meant to say, Tisa Tails is that Sean Combs
demanded that Jane have her nipples pierced. She didn't want to,
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he insisted on it. They got infected. There's no nice
way to say it. There was puss and she removed
the nipple piercings, and he got mad and demanded she
repierced the nipples. Okay, hit me, tell me the whole thing.
And I especially want to hear aside from the nipple piercings,
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I definitely want to hear about the jury looking disgusted,
because there's nothing better for the state than a juror
to actually get nauseated during the testimony. All right, Okay,
start at the beginning case.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
So start at the beginning Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
The first time I saw the juris get visibly disgusted
and there was a lot thrown out, was when she
talked about the way he demanded lied to her and
to sir By frog trickter into going the whole.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Tall nights, even though it was supposed to be them.
She would show up, he would demand she would put.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
On these stripper costumes, these seven inch plastic hills slipping
around a baby oil, and he even demanded, in addition
to fix it getting new veneers, that she'd get her
nipples piers. They would get snagged on the netting indie
stripper costumes that she had to stay in for thirty
six to forty hours. There was infection, there was puss,
there was bleeding. When we heard that, we were all repulsed.
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But to see the effect on the jury, it really
took if everybody was just shocked and disgusted.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
She kept on telling about how while this was going
she had to take it out and he kept demanding,
you've put those back in, when is it coming in.
It really hammered home that he had complete control of
her mind, her body.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
It was a performance that was on demand.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Okay, that was the first time I genuinely saw the
jury saying Okay, this is too much. But since then,
in Janejoe's testimony, the jury has been with Jane Doe.
The level of brutality that's been played again. There are
jurors that are middle age, a few that are younger,
a lot that are older men and women rubbing their heads,
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covering their mouths and looking away uncomfortably.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
This is not going good with two Diddy.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
And to your point, I do believe this is why
they are throwing spaghetti at the street and mobilizing anything
they can to actually get this mistral going.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
We're hearing a lot from the stand now. I want
you to hear let me, let get the control and
to pull it up. I want to hear Sean Comes voicemail.
But first I want to address with you, Tisa, what
we just heard from Troy Slayton about Jane's messages text
messages to Sean Comes. What did they reveal?
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Dave rebil that unlike Cassie who you have the violence.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
So a normal person, a reasonable person wouldn't think that
that was consensual, but Jane had an extra level continual messages.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
I don't like this. You lied to me.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
You said it would be just us this time. You're
making me take pills and show up and perform. You're
using me as your own, for lack of better words,
a prostitute. I'm just a toy to you. But it
was continuing hammering, no, I don't want this, no that
I don't want this. You took me, You lied to me.
And I see why the defense is so worried because
it was not playing well with the jury. Everything that
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they said that Cassie didn't have as evidence Jane actually has.
And again with each message, every single message at one
time said you lied to me.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
I just want you. I don't want this, I don't
want to do this. Can we stop? Please? And there
were messages even to KK, who I'm.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Sure you guys are aware the prosecutors named as a
co conspirator in court last week. So it was really
pulling together the rico and really proving pulling in that
it wasn't a grown woman making a grown decision.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
This was forced.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
This was brutality, and it literally was when she stopped
saying yeah, I'm fine with the party, and when she
started saying no, that's when the diddy that Cassie knows
actually came forward.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
So it was a really powerful moment in court.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
You know, tast the tales. I was thinking about something
that Jane not her real name said on the stand.
She was dating so to speak, Sean Combs and they
were making out and he says, well, I have a fantasy,
and she says, well, what's the fantasy? And he describes
bringing in a quote entertainer, which is sex a male
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sex worker, for the sex worker to have sex with
Jane while he watches and masturbates and directs, and she said,
you know, and I guess a show of goodwill. Oh yeah,
that would be great someday. And he goes, okay, stop everything,
and right there on the spot, he gets up, gets
on the phone and arranges a hotel night aka freak
(12:36):
Cough that night. And she's like, wait, well, what could
you describe that?
Speaker 2 (12:42):
So that was actually shocking to see it play out
in front of the jury too. Okay, so you have
her saying at first, I was like, where are they going?
Because she was painting a love story. She's a very smooth,
very sultry, sweet innocent voice at the same time, you know.
Speaker 6 (12:58):
And she was saying you know Sean and I, you know,
we made love.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
It was so passionate. He was so good to me.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
At one point, even the jury was like, is this
is this happening? However, when she started saying and then
the first night, it was so passionate, and he said, hey,
have you ever heard a voyeurism? And he started broaching
the idea, and she said, I went along with it
because I wanted to please my partner. And the shock
(13:26):
I think the room actually gasped, and the shock on
the jury's face when she said she went to the
bathroom after saying that, and he came back into She
came back into the room, and he had a.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Serious look in his face, and he was on his phone.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
In a bathroom and said, before she left, she said,
I can make this happen if you want. And she said,
I mean yeah again, she still sounds like she thinks
it's fantasy. And she said, in less than two hours
she found herself in the room. A pill popped into
her mouth. Okay, a pill popped into her mouth, which,
by the way, I think the first time gave her
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that pill, she almost odeed. Okay, but a new pill
popped into her mouth and from then she was doing
something she never imagined she did do. And even at
that time, it says weird disconnect where she was saying
in such a sweet sultry voice, you know, like I
did it.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
To please my partner, and I totalim I enjoyed that.
And the whole time, the.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Prosecution is leading us down this road to hell, because
with each time it started off saying, well, maybe she
did want it, and then it led down a road
to hell. And again the way that she went from
saying I'm really enjoying it to the time the testimony
had end, she is saying.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
I don't want this. You lied to me, You think
this of me, you think that of me.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
And he is still at this point not only demanding
the hotel nights.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
He classed it up since the free calls. The free
calls were early two thousands. Now he's into the hotel nights.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Then it moved into him threatening to throw her out
of the house at ten thousand rent and also threatening violence. However,
we're now seeing him jump the shark and getting into
the Sean Diddy Kombs violence.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
So it was a lot. It was a lot for
the jury to take in.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 7 (15:19):
Yeah, that's my friend. I'm in Miami. I don't have
a lot of friends out here. Okay. She asked me
if she could work out with me. I said, Okay,
you gotta believe what you want. It's the last time
you're gonna be cursing at me, disrespecting me over nothing
like I have. I'm a human being. I'm not gonna
lock myself up in a room and have no friends.
(15:40):
I don't have a bunch of guy friends. I already
told you that. And she's just came over to work out.
But I'm not gonna be explaining to you. Don't matter
if I just got finished her.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
The other day.
Speaker 7 (15:52):
I'm saying I could do whatever I want to, but
I didn't. You're straight flipping out on me. And I
told you that you had one more time to do
this flipping out of me. If somebody came to work
out with me at my house, your nuts so be sad,
go crazy, do whatever you want to do.
Speaker 8 (16:08):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (16:08):
I don't deserve you. I don't deserve being honest with somebody.
And then every time they see somebody around, they like
I'm doing something something working out?
Speaker 1 (16:24):
What a big fat lie? Joining us at the Manahan Courthouse,
TISA tells with US an investigator and commentator host of
TISA tells on YouTube what seawan COM's actually trying to
tell Jane not her real name, that he has a
girl over in workout tights and a workout bra at
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his house and all they're doing is working out. And
when she rightfully gets angry, he says, you're crazy. I'm
leaving you. I'm not putting up with you. And then
the earlier message that was played in court, Troy Slayton
(17:06):
was pointing out messages from her to him trying to
get out of hotel nights. He says, get on your job,
because that's really all it is. Okay, describe these two
messages we just heard.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
So that first message I think was the first moment
that Diddy's defence team said we need another misschall motion.
Because when that message was played and he said you
need to get on your job, I believe everybody's mind
flashed the Cassie when Cassie said, this was my job.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
But at that moment, there was one.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Jurd and I think this gentleman encompassed with the courtroom
felt he literally put his hand on his head rubbed
the top of his head and just took a deep
sigh and dropped his hands.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
It.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
It literally hit the courtroom like a bomb again, the
prosecution and I think at that moment everybody said, Okay,
this is Rico, this is sex trafficking by fraud.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
But when it descended into the gas lighting, where.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
She's still saying in her sweet honey voice, you know,
I tried to be everything he wanted, and I wanted
to be everything for him, and then I see him
get this girl everything she I didn't have.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
She was in a thing.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
The level of gaslighting, the level of manipulation, and the
level that even the men on the jury and I'm
not gonna lie, I was worried about the men on
the jury when they looked at him. Everybody was just
looking and had the same thing, like you are just
horrible through and through. But this is a pattern, it
is a game, and why this girl is so in
love with you. You are literally doing the pimp Romeo tactic
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of love bombing and grooming her and then pull her back.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
It was really, really.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Bad, and I think at that time they said, we
need a mistrial, we need to try to derail this train.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
So taste the tails. Joining us at the courthouse. I
know you're not an actress, but could you just display
from me some of the disgusting looks the jury is making.
I gotta see this.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Okay, so one juror which I'm not gonna lie before
she seemed to not be buying anything the prosecution was
putting down. I looked at her and looked at them
as ground zero of this might be the nullification. When
she saw the pictures, okay, it was this, she literally recoiled.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Straight out to renounce. Psycho Alice joining us from Beverly Hills,
Doctor Bethany Marshall. She's the author of deal Breakers. You
can see her now on Peacock and you can find
her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany. When
I heard his words is a job, that's all it is.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
That sealed it.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
He is sex trafficking. He's luring these women, as Tisa
Tel said, in the pimp Romeo style, and then using
them for sex shows, even when they are unwilling.
Speaker 9 (20:01):
Nancy, what's the difference between this and some guys standing
in a trench coat on a street corner looking for
little girls walking by and then pretending to love them,
and then then gaining control over them, and then giving
them gifts, and then threatening to withdraw their love if
hit their love if the little girl doesn't go along
with them, and then saying, well, now you've you've taken
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this on as a job, so you can't stop doing this.
It's the same tactic, whether it's from a pedophile, sex
trafficker on the street p ditty, it never waivers or changes.
And when we think of the domestic abuse hotline, I
was looking at the science of domestic abuse, possessiveness, control, belittling,
humiliating you in front of other people. I could go
(20:43):
on and on, but this is this is domestic abuse, yes,
but at a more serious level, it is sex trafficking.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Join me now, host of Naughty but Nice podcast. You
can find him at Robshooter dot substack dot com. That
sh ut Er, author of the Forward Answer, and more
importantly for tonight, the former PR guru for Sean Comes.
I was concerned that when you heard his voice on
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those messages it might give you flashbacks. But see he
would show one side, the side that you orchestrated. Rob
Shooter to the public. The glam Diddy, But now we're
learning about pimp Diddy. That's what we're learning. This woman,
Jane had mouth sores, urinary repeat urinary tract infections, and
(21:36):
would be forced to hold weird sex positions for hours
on end to where she actually developed a back ailment.
Yet you heard the way he talked to her, basically
throwing her back in the ring thoughts.
Speaker 8 (21:53):
It's really an alarming, horrifying insight. I've spoke to you before, Nancy,
about how did he sees his life like a movie?
He plots his life as I think Jane here has
outdone her teacher, the pupil has become the master here.
What she did on the stand was so amazing. It
started as a love story, as a as a rom con,
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and it turned into this horror movie. It was very theatrical,
it was very cinematic, and it's going to be very impactful.
I spoke to my Diddy sources, and for the first
time during this trial, I'm told they're really, really nervous.
They were confident, over confident for a long time, Nancy.
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That tide has changed. Now they fear, they're real, real
fear coming out of team did he.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
And you know what Rob Shooter, You, with all these
years as a PR expert, the jury can very likely
smell the stink of fear. You can. Actually it's like
a presence in the courtroom. Once the tide turns, certainly
the whole dynamic changes in the courtroom. And I want
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to hear from your point of view, specifically, how Sean
Combs is responding to this turn in the time.
Speaker 8 (23:15):
He'll be shocked, so at first he'll be in denial
about it. I've been at a lot of his shows
and some of them did not go very well, and
he used to say afterwards, I could feel the crowd.
I'm losing the crowd. That's what he must be feeling
right now. He is losing this jury. However, knowing Puffy
like I do, he doesn't give in without a fight.
Speaker 10 (23:35):
He's going to be screaming at his lawyers. He's going
to be screaming at his team. It's no coincidence that
suddenly his PR machine is outside the trial trying to
influence people to say nice things. They know, they know
they're in trouble, but they are not giving up without
a fight.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Did you hear Rob Shooter that Ray j who I
got in a big knockdown here, notckdown, drag out with
the other day over. Sean Combs has now threatened to
leave the country because of the Didy trial. He should
want to stay in the country because of the Diddy trial,
because these women are being represented in court, They're being
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given a voice after years of abuse. But he wants
to leave the country. Really him and Alec Baldwin.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Bye, I heard this story.
Speaker 8 (24:24):
I saw your conversation with him. I think into that
being a coward. You know, Nancy, I do not have
to sit down and get on your show with you,
as much as I enjoy talking to you, Nancy, but
I think people that worked with Diddy, people that maybe
once defended Diddy, have to nice speak out. You can't
be quiet, you can't run away. That is being complicit.
(24:45):
You have to speak out. There are a lot of
people in New York around the world who made a
lot of money by being around Diddy. Editors of magazines,
executives at Esta Lorda, the Fragrance Company, Executives at maces
where they sold his clothing line. Where are all those
people now? I tried to come and call a lot
of them, and nobody's returning my cause they are all
(25:08):
running away, maybe not leaving the country, but the running away.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Running away from Shawn Combs. And also what's concerning for instance,
here Ray j is a great example. He seems very likable.
You know, a lot of people think he's handsome and talented.
If he is siding with Shawn Combs after all this testimony,
that's not good because it's a test for who on
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the jury could be feeling the same way. Back to
Tisa Tels joining us outside the courthouse, you described one gurrr,
a lady gerrar, who you've been a little worried about
up front, and then you went to two other jurrrs,
I believe you said, on the back left.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yeah, so in the middle row on the left. Okay,
they're sharing a monitor.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Again. I have to tell you how impactful this was.
The prosecution didn't just show one picture, two picture. It
was like again again and again. So it was rapid fire.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
And they were leaning in almost as if they were
looking at like gruesome carnage and leaning out. At one
point she looked to the side. The jury was visibly uncomfortable.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
They were squirming.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
They literally had to look away, and the prosecution didn't
let up. Another picture, another picture, another picture, and it
was so impactful. Again, I'm not gonna lie. At that time,
I think mistrial. They started to get the idea of
throwing in another mistrial. The jury was repulsed. But again
this shock the all leaning in like what is that?
(26:35):
Oh my god, it was a lot.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Again.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
We wanted to see what was on those photos too,
But I see the point the prosecution was making, like
these are very graphic, disgusting whatever it.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Is, but it bought it home on what a hotel night?
Was a dirty free call?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Tason. What about the male jurors are they responding the
same way as the lady grors?
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I gotta go how to say, it was a little
bit concerned about the male jervers, but when it comes
to the graphic nature and the pictures, they also were
very very disgusted again leaning in, what is that, rubbing
their heads looking to the side, just being like.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Are these size of woof? Like it was a lot.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Again the prosecution through all of the smoke screens.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
You know, they are moving forward now and again.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
When we heard testimony about the ten thousand rent and
whether you know she was a girlfriend or not, it
seemed like they might have.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Been losing them, but the pictures it bought it home.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
You know, to Troy Slayton, trial lawyer out of LA
when a grown man looks away from a photo of
a sex scene with disgust, a man looks away, it's bad.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
But here's here's what really concerns me, Nancy, is that
the prosecutors shouldn't overplay their hand. They've got a lot
of great evidence against Ditty. But if they engage in
prosecutorial misconduct.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Why do you if they engage in prospect enough evidence.
If you're saying the state's putting on too much evidence,
it's true.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
They can't use is one witness to say that Diddy
is a liar again and again unless he testifies. So
the federal rules of evidence are very specific.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
All you've got to defend is a liar.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Looking away from a photo of a naked woman.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
Nancy.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
They're disgusted, they're nauseated, they're grossed out, and you're talking
what that's what I'm as But you're trying to make
me talk about something.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
They have a great, wonderful playbook of all this evidence.
Why don't they just stick to that? Why do they
try to overplay their hand by keeping to show these
text messages that say that Diddy is a liar because.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
The federal rule that's terrible when you have a royal
federal rules don't allow it.
Speaker 11 (29:01):
Jane says. Did he flew her to Vegas on his
private jets so they could have a hotel night where
Jane says she had sex with an entertainer other men
she would have sex with at Comb's direction. Combs uses
the term freak to refer to her, sometimes saying he
wants his freak, meaning he wanted her to be wild
and sexual.
Speaker 12 (29:20):
Jane asked Diddy on multiple occasions to allow the men
he was directing her to have sex with wear condoms
during hotel nights, but Didy was dismissive. A conversation was
captured on video of a hotel night. Jane can be
heard asking don to wear a condom, but did he intervenes?
When Prosecutor Comy asks why Jane needed Comb's permission to
have the men wear a condom, Jane gets emotional, saying
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she was still trying to process that.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Tasa Tails joining us from the courthouse would not allow
her to have the guy. The entertainer sex worker paid
sex worker where a condom. He insisted, does she have
unpre detected sex with a male sex worker? And you
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hear it on the audio.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
You hear it on the audio. You hear her sweet
caramel baby boy saying.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Can we please, it's on the chair, can you just
get it? And you hear Diddy coming in saying, what
are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (30:22):
You already did it once, you already took the d
without it. At that point, again, people were on the
fence is this a love story because she was painting
it as a love story. It actually sounds like she
still loves this guy, but she was still telling her truth.
And when that happened, the repulsion, there was a gas
in the courtroom and the repulsion that you saw on
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the jurors faces. And that's when the men realize there
is not a person on earth that would choose I
would hope not to have unprotected sex with a entertainer
willingly unless there was something else going on.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
So it was a very shocking moment in the courtroom.
And I think hearing him boy her on camera on
tape was a lot. It was a lot to take in.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
You hear that.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Troy Slayton, the death now I hear it again, is
coming from the witness stand in the Diddy trial.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
For whom the bell told thoughts, Yes.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
That's your thought. You ripped off the title of a book, Nancy.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
The bells don't mean anything here. What matters is what
happens in the courtroom. And there are rules that both
sides have to follow.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Okay, I think I know somebody that disagrees with you.
Her name is Lynn Shaw. She is a founder and
director of Lynn's Warriors, a nonprofit which means a lot
to me because she ain't in it for the money
dedicated to stopping sex trafficking and abuse of women and girls.
Speaker 13 (31:55):
Thoughts, thoughts, I'm jumping out of my chair here, Triple D, dirty, degenerate.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
I am so happy.
Speaker 13 (32:02):
I'm going to use the word happy. I never smile,
I never say i'm happy. I am happy that we
are in week five of this trial because Jane has
brought forth now all of this that I was hoping
and praying for. Because I've been involved, Nancy, in so
many of these cases with victims sex trafficking, and we
can't prove them.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
I've been so worried.
Speaker 13 (32:21):
But you know what, Jane put us over the edge,
and I'm so glad Tisa is here to lay out
what the jury how they're reacting, their facial expressions. They're disgusted,
and you know what, real men don't beat women. So
I'm happy to hear they're repelling, they're looking disgusted, the
women are looking away because again I always maintained Cassie video.
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Now we have Jane, Now we have all this testimony,
and you know what, Jane is a victim of trauma bonding.
I am waiting. I am hoping somebody takes the stand
that's going to describe what these women go through, this
trauma bonding. They think they're in love, but they're just
attached to this abuse. And furthermore, in the work we do,
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sex is not work. So when I hear get back
on your job or whatever he said, you know what
that says to me. Sex trafficking, that says to me, prostitution,
that says to me. Pimp, that says to me, brothel owner.
So you know what, this is a great week. We've
started strong. Let it continue. Dirty Diddy going down.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Tisa tails joining us outside of the Monahan Federal Courthouse. Tisa,
I asked you about the yours reactions, which is really
important to me. At the end of every day during
a trial, not at the end of the trial, but
every day, I would stand in front of the jury
box after everybody had left the courtroom, typically with my
longtime investigator of ten years, Ernest and we would go through, Okay,
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jerr one sits here, blah blah blah, and go through
each one and describe what we observed their reactions to
be during the trial. Because it matters if one gerror
is not responding to the testimony, I would argue directly
to that gr or ask my questions to the witness
over here while looking at that GRR to get the GURRR.
(34:07):
So now I want to hear about the defendant Sean comes,
how it comes, and or his defense team, which is
a multimillion dollar ensemble. How are they responded.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
So the defense team Tenny Garrigos and Mark Agnofilio, Okay,
they seem to always be in a constant huddle.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
But here's the weird part.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
I firmly believe Sean Diddycombs is a complete control of
his legal team. He's always furiously writing notes, telling them,
interrupting when they're doing their questioning passing notes for them
to pay attention are they have been furiously huddling to themselves,
but then also looking at Sean to actually see how
he's taking it. Brian still is also very casually, always
(34:51):
looking over and testing, tacking the waters. He the last
few days of the Jane do trial, he has been
up set. He has not been happy, even his minions
that he has trying to make nice with all the
bloggers in the media. There is an urgency and I'm
not gonna lie a bit of desperation that's going going down.
(35:14):
How's he behaving oddly? Also, I think that's when you really.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
See his his issues, what power and control.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
After the judge yelled at him last week, he's been
oddly staring at the judge, deciding to get up for
no reason in the middle court so he could pour
himself a glass of water, doing all these weird games
for lack of better word. But but it's starting to
wreak of desperation. It started, and that's why it's so
(35:41):
odd that when you hear about the mistrial on the outside, yeah,
it sounds like they might have something, but in that court,
Jane is having them in a meltdown and Diddy seems
to have a constantly angry and kind of defiant look
when his mask slips, and he keeps trying to keep
us cool.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
But they're looking at him. I think the real Who
song Colmbs is starting to come.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
Out crime stores with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 11 (36:15):
Jane sniffles on and off, and Comy asks about the
time she cried after hotel nights. Jane says the first
time was early in her relationship with Combs and Beverly
Hills at the Waldorf. She thought they were going to
have a one on one date night, but Diddy said
they would have an entertainer, but it would be quick.
The entertainer was there for eighteen hours, and once they
were finished with the entertainer did he told her he
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had to leave. Jane began to cry and Combs looked disgusted.
The second time, Jane was having sex with Paul. Then
she remembers being in the shower with Combs and she
starts to cry. Combs tells her, don't do that right
now because he was too high. She stopped crying.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Okay to Tisa Tails joining us at the courthouse a
store off, Tisa tales on YouTube, I'm just imagining how
the jury is responding to her crying on the stand.
We can't see a picture of her, just those horrible
sketches that come out of the courtroom. What does she
look like? What is her demeanor? I mean, is she
(37:13):
making the jurrs feel protective of her?
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Listen, I felt protective of her. Her demeanor is very
very feminine. Okay, not seductive, just very feminine, very pleasing.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
Her voice sounds like warm sunshine.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
But I gotta tell you about those cries, and it's hard,
and I think the defense realized she was going to
be a problem the first time her voice broke. When
I say, her cries sound like the way I imagine
a bunny rabbit being tortured sounds, they are gut breaching,
they are heartbreaking, and it literally does something to convey
(37:51):
the level of pain. Again, my eyes teared up when
I heard her voice crack and when she said it.
But there's a thing where you feel somebody's heart is
breaking to their soul. It really woke the jury up.
The jury was at attention, and you know what, when
I looked at the jury, they were starting to take
notes after that.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Again, this wasn't regular. I was so sad.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
It was heart wrenching cries of just complete destitute. Again,
imagine a bunny rabbit being tortured, and that's.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
What you felt like listening to her cry.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
So again, it's hard to hear it in the transcripts
and to convey.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
The way she is swaying the jury. But she is
a problem. And let's also not forget the defense.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
The defense is also arguing that they want to bring
doctor Hughes back.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
I think that's the victory laugh.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
But also keep in mind with her that the violence,
we have, the coercion, we have the fraud, but the
violence is coming in. So again I think they have
a problem. They have a huge problem.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Doctor Bethany Marshall, when she tastes a tale said it
sounded like a bunny rabbit, a little bunny being tortured,
Doctor Bethany. And did you hear that? It was very quick?
But Tom says, I'm bringing in an entertainer. There euphemism
talk about airbrushing for a paid sex worker, and he says,
(39:16):
it'll be quick.
Speaker 7 (39:17):
Right.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
It's like what I would tell the children when they're
about to get a big shot, you know, at the
pediatrician's gonna be fasking me all over and it lasted
eighteen hours, and the woman had back ailments from eighteen
hours of holding these weird sex positions.
Speaker 9 (39:34):
And Nancy, this is why the male as well as
the female jurors look disgusted and revulsed. Disgust is sort
of an instinctual response to something that we think will
harm us or be dangerous to us. It's it's what
helps us to survive as a species. So it makes
me think about what are they looking at in those pictures.
They're not just looking at people having sex, They're looking
(39:55):
at people being hurt. That's why they are disgusted. And
Shane is fascinating because she has elicited empathy.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Empathy is very.
Speaker 9 (40:03):
Hard for human beings when they're inundated with data, and
it's hard for juries. But when somebody cries softly like
a bunny and they talk about the experience of being
in love with somebody who ends up torturing them, that
is very relatable. It's human. We've all gone through that
on some level, whether it's just going out on a
(40:24):
date and then the guy ghosts you or never calls
you again. That kind of pain is heartbreaking. So I
think This is our magic moment where the jury is
going to really has been grasping the true essence of
the sex trafficking and the torture.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
And then Rob she'ter gaslighting her by having other women
over to quote work out. I mean, she goes for
eighteen hours with a male sex worker, eighteen hours, gets
urinary tract infections, mouth source, and chronic back pain. And
then he advice a woman over to quote work out
(41:04):
and dares to get mad at her when she's hurt.
Speaker 4 (41:06):
It's hurritic.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Who is this guy?
Speaker 8 (41:09):
We don't know who this guy is, but he is
just a real We know he's a bad guy. But
what I think doesn't matter, it's what the jury thinks.
And I've got to agree here. This is a turning point, Nancy.
I'm telling you all my Diddy sources, all the people
I have been speaking to, they thought they were really
quite arrogant and confident, and dare I say, last week
(41:29):
even a little bit cocky.
Speaker 9 (41:31):
It's changed.
Speaker 8 (41:32):
They are frightened. Diddy is scared something has happened in
this court and that person that something is Jay and
this testimony is a problem.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Wen Charge joining us from Liam's warriors, there is no
way that an eighteen hour sex session with a male
sex worker is consensual.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
No way.
Speaker 13 (41:55):
Now you understand from day one, Nancy, why I always
called him dirty Diddy. Eighteen hours. I think that's forced coercion,
forcing these women to do things like this, this testimony.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
I keep saying it.
Speaker 13 (42:09):
Jane has turned the whole case around, because I agree
with Rob, because I heard from a few sources. Up
until now, it's been kind of that we're worried about things.
But now Jane has turned it all around. But eighteen hours.
Can you imagine we work with women, their bodies, what
their bodies go through, what their minds go through, and
what happens at the end of eighteen hours. So I
also want to point out what's happening in the court.
(42:31):
Do we have there some counselors for somebody like a
Jane when she's done relaying all this information. I'm very
worried about these women. Cassie included Jane, and so you
know what, we have to always focus on victims, victims, survivors,
and I hope there's somebody there for them in the courtroom.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
We wait as just a sun falls, goodbye, Rin
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