May 26, 2025 • 39 mins
After a break for the Memorial Day remembrance, Sean Combs' trial resumes Tuesday.
Court oom testimony has been full of surprises, including the fact that Diddy's employees were made to clean up after freak-offs and what led up to Kid Cudi's car being blown up. Was Combs behind it?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stores with Nancy Grace, the federal government versus Sean
Come joining us now investigative reporter Lauren Colin, star of
Pop Crime TV.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Lauren, thank you for being with us. A lot happening
in the courtroom.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
First of all, direct examination of a special agent, Girard Gannon.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
What happened?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
We finished the direct examination of special Agent Girard Gannon.
He's with the HSI and he finished showing us all
of the evidence that was collected during the Miami raid
of Seawan Colins's house. And this is his house on
Two Star Island, and what they seized from the house.
They seized two defaced AR fifteens, and these AR fifteens.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
They were separated.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
We saw the the lower barrels and the upper barrels.
The upper barrels were actually they were wrapped in a
towel and the lower barrels were in a separate spot.
And the magazines were not with the lower barrels. However,
the lower magazines were loaded, both of them.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
You know, a lot is being made of the number
of agents at the raid, and I find that very
very disturbing. Sidney Sumner also joining US Crime Story's investigative
reporter Sydney. I understand there were dozens of federal agents at.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
The raid, so what what's the issue?
Speaker 5 (01:29):
Agents went in feeling like they were going to be
confronted by armed guards. That's what they thought they were
walking into when they came into this house. They specifically
waited for Combs and his family to leave before they
entered to avoid any more confrontation. They only found six
people at the home, a music producer who has not
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been named, a property manager, and a few other staff members.
But they put all of those people in handcuffs to
go into the home, and there were ninety agents total
just about and they had people sitting out at the
water to make sure nobody tried to flee into the
canal right behind his home. They had to come into
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this in full force, and they were right. They found
a r's with several modifications scratched off serial numbers. They
knew they were possibly coming into a firefight and prepared
for it.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
The Feds even have the backside that is on the
water completely surrounded. You know what, Sidney Summer, You and
I've covered a lot of cases together when we've gone
on location and investigated a lot of cases. You know
what a gun it makes a big man little and
a little man big.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
You know, let's tell it like it is.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Chris mcgunn adjoining me former homicide to detective, a star
of the Interview Room now on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Chris mcdonnaugh. You get an ar going, you get an
M sixteen going.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
How many FEDS could they shoot down up thirty seconds?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Tell it?
Speaker 6 (03:02):
Yeah, a lot. And that's why these operations. You know,
you start out with an OP plan and you discover
those vulnerabilities in relationship to officer safety. You know, where
do officers need to be placed and are they safe
in those positions based on the potential threats that you
could be facing.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
They would be mowed down like an old gangster movie
where machine guns are used.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
And you know, you got to hand it to the fans. McDonough.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
They even had the backside covered that bordered on the
water because I could absolutely see some of dde's cohorts
trying to make a getaway by water.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
Absolutely, And Nancy, I actually had a case where five
guys were mowed down within ten seconds from an automatic weapon.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
It was an SKS Sidney Sunder.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Did I hear you say that the serial numbers were
scratched off some of the weapons.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
Yes, both of those assault rifles, Nancy. The AR fifteens
serial numbers were scratched through, so it's unclear exactly how
they were obtained. If Colme's bot them with the seal name.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
I don't care. I don't care.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
If the angel Gabriel came down from heaven and dropped
them in Diddy's lap. That is a serious, serious offense. McDonough,
jump in, this is critical. You know why serial numbers
are scraped off of weapons?
Speaker 6 (04:27):
Absolutely, Nancy, And this tells us maybe there's a wider
net here. Right. What the FEDS are going to do
is throw it into the system called NIVEN, which is
the National Ballistic Information Network, and they're going to see
if these weapons are tied into any other crimes.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Do you think a bad guy is going to go
to the gun and knife show down at the mall
and buy a gun?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Hgl n Oh.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
They get weapons like ars, basically machine guns on the
black market. Why is a serial number scraped off? Because
that gun could be connected to another serious crime? I
want to see McDonough. McDonough, you need to get real
on this. You think they've ever found the gun that
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killed Tupac Shakur, or guns that are related to many
many other agg assault shootings and murders.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
No, they've never been recovered. And if they were recovered, unless.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
You do a ballistics test, you don't know if it's
the murder weapon or the assault weapon. Why because criminals
scrape off the serial number.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Crime stories with Nancy Greece.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Straight back to Lauren Colin other In addition to all
the weapons, I mean a lot of weapons, what can
you tell tell me about women's shoes with seven inch
platform heels.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
And it was pretty wild to see a special agent
hold up seven inch heels in court that just happened
to be pat and leather and red. We saw Balenciaga
boots that had three different cell phones in them, and
then we saw a fourth cell phone in a separate room.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
We saw a.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Gucci bag that was filled with a rolled up one
hundred dollars bill. Different types of pills, yellow, orange, pink,
different powders. We saw eye drops and later these drugs
were tested and they were confirmed to be hook ketamine,
an MDMA actually in an eye dropper, and there were
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actually three orange tablets they found with Tesla symbols on them,
and oh, we also saw xanax drugs were tested for xanax.
There also was a wooden box in the bathroom they
found and on top of that wooden bar was a
gold inscription that said Puffy. There were mushroom pilled in that,
and then a bag of crystal rocks that turns out
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was MDMA no Sidney Sumner.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
That reminds me of one of the first times we
heard about a male escort. We heard that one male
sex worker showed up, knocks at the door.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Cassie comes to the door wearing.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Scantily clad laingerie and these heels. I guarantee you it's
not ditty walking around in eight inch platform heels. He
has the women dress up in various outfits and we
see all those heels at his Miami mansion.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Sydney, and we heard.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
A similar story from both of the male escorts that
have testified that they believed they were coming for some
kind of bachelorette party. And then this woman opens the door.
She's buying herself except for her purported husband in the
corner of the room, and she's disguised. She's wearing some
kind of lingerete a matching wig, some kind of heels,
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and it just doesn't it doesn't make sense the defensive
theory that they're saying that this is all just private
sex matter for Sean Diddy Coulmbs, there is no reason
to own half of the Spencer store. Just keep that
in your home. If that's purely for personal use, where
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there's not more than one person involved, you're not having
opious amounts of freak off parties. It just it doesn't crack.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
We've heard about a Louis Vuitton bag, a huge Louis
stuffed full of horse trunk, uh, ecstasy, cocaine, pink cocaine,
plan be, birth control appeals, and of course high powered viagra.
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Diddy needs his viagra. Okay, I'm gonna have to go
to our shrink. The moment about mushroom peels, crystal rocks
that are MD and A and what effect that has
you know, I'll ask him right now.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Joining me.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Scott Johnson, Forensic Psychologists, thirty three years addressing sex Predators
Forensic Consultation dot org. It's where you can find him,
author of Physical Abusers and Sex Offenders. When I Love
You Turns Violent? That's another book. Scott Johnson, thank you
for being with us.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
What is MD in a and what effect does it
have on a person?
Speaker 7 (09:33):
All right, So you have the ecstasy basically by the
street name, and you have people that become delusional. It's
difficult to say no. At higher levels. It may cause
a euphoric statement where people are kind of out of
touch with reality, sort of delusional. But it's very difficult
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to say no or to resist when you're under the
influence of these medications.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Ecstasy moll a stimulant with psychedelic properties.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
That's what it is.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
And if you drop it in one of these ladies' drinks,
there's no telling what a thing it is.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Going to have on her.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Lauren Colin very quickly, Laura, I want to ask you
about what happened when we got to Diddy's bathroom of
his mansion that was raided.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
The bathrooms.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Yeah, and then we got to a bathroom where we
saw two containers and in one container there was twenty
five bottles of baby oil and thirty one bottles of astroglide.
And I actually spotted two rubber duckies, a little bit confusing,
and when they asked a special agent, were there more
baby oil?
Speaker 4 (10:38):
That you found.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
He said, yes, and there was because we saw a
mini crate of baby oil during his direct testimony the
day before. Now, right around when he was testifying, Diddy's sons,
Justin and Christian walked in and did he turned around.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
He didn't smile, but he nodded his head at them.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Is he guilty of all the counts or any of
the counts in this federal indictment?
Speaker 2 (11:00):
So far, according to my legal.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Analysis, the charges of sex trafficking have been shown by
not only Cassi Ventura, but another female witness as well.
Transportation of male sex workers across state lines to engage
in prostitution. Yes, now, racketeering is going to have to
be explained to the jury. Racketeering just think about Tony Soprano.
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It is a loose confederation of people that engage altogether
to achieve a criminal act. In this criminal conspiracy, the
act would be sex trafficking, bringing people in from various
states to perform prostitution and to force women to engage
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in free co offs against their wills. Bam easy. My
question is what woman in her right mind would consent
to have sex with not just a male escort, a
lot of people do that, but a convicted killer slash
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male escort listen.
Speaker 8 (12:08):
At least two of the male escorts Cassie identified it
worked on the Showtime reality series Jiggilows. One is also
a convicted murderer Okshaya Kubiak who uses the name ash
armand beat her lean Doulai to death. Kubiak claimed he
blacked out after taking mushrooms with Duly, one of Kubiak's clients,
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and when he woke up the next morning, she was
brutally beaten to death.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
I'm gonna found it in pain. Could have live in pain.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
We took mustoms together last night.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
They were to struggle subli concerts or breeding. We have
the male.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
Detain right now.
Speaker 9 (12:44):
Offsters and medical personnel arrived on scene and that female
was pronounced deceased.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
This was one of the worst beatings of a person
of a human that I've seen.
Speaker 10 (12:52):
The whole situation is what horror movies are made of.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
On the mornings a murder, they didn't call nine one
one first, they actually called another jiggleaf that from Paramounts,
Sin City Jigglow. They find the dead body and they
don't call nine one one. They actually call another Jigglow. Okay,
you know to Rachel Fisher joining us a special guest
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joining us. Rachel is an anti trafficking expert featured in
the twenty two documentary Surviving Sex Trafficking. She is a
forensic nurse, a sex assault nurse examiner, an expert witness,
and she is at Legal r inc consult dot org. Rachel,
thank you for being with us. It's one thing to
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talk about Diddy dressed up in a Muslim female burka
from the neck up. It's another thing to talk about
this male escorts. Moniker is the punisher, but it's another
thing to force a woman a that would be Cassie Ventura,
and to set with not just a Jigleo, but a
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convicted killer Jigglow.
Speaker 11 (14:04):
That's the danger of forcing somebody to be involved in
a commercial sex act. Whether you're the recipient or you're
the one performing it and getting paid for it, that's
still a commercial sex act that she was being coerce
and forced into. And you never know who's on the
other end of the call when you click that ad
online to order an escort, because you can get one
faster than you can get a pizza in most places,
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and whoever shows up, you don't know their background. It's
a very dangerous career to be in the sex industry,
and many of the people that are there are not
there willingly, and some are, but you never know what
their story is on the other side and what they're
going to come with. That's why we have so many
that are murdered when they're in the sex industry. Or
you get an in call where an escort comes to
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you and you get murdered or robbed, and it's a
very dangerous thing that you're forcing somebody to be a
part of. There are multiple people involved, and so all
of those people become part of that scheme.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
I wonder what ed bd didy he is feeling and
thinking right now in a courtroom as a Homeland Security
special agent describes everything that was found in his mansion
that was rated, crates of baby oil as to glide.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
That's not against the law.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
What I care about are the federal counts in that
federal indictment.
Speaker 12 (15:23):
Former assistant David James testifies that Combs was occasionally violent
with private chef Jordan Atkinson. According to James, after an
altercation at his Alpine, New Jersey home, Combs instructed him
to file a police report stating Atkinson was the aggressor
and hit him first. James, who witnessed the altercation, says
he simply drove around Alpine for roughly an hour before
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returning and telling Combs it was filed. James says he
didn't want to comply with Combs's request because he did
not want to file a false report.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Sidney Summer joining me investigative reporter, Crime Stories. Sidney explained
to me, Am I getting this correct. The former assistant
David James described an incident where Sean Combs allegedly attacked
a female chef, but then wanted James to go file
a police report, stating it was the other way around,
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but James didn't do it.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
That's absolutely correct. James said that Comb's and this chef
got into an altercation, and Combs, immediately after it ended
team to James and asked him, look, let's go to
the cops. Let's file a police report, but make sure
it says that she attacked she hit me first, she
was the aggressor. And James kind of did his Okay, yeah,
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I'll do that, and he got into a car and
just drove around for about an hour before returning home
and saying, yeah, filed it. It's in there. They'll contact
me if they need anything else from us. And the
whole time he never spoke to a police officer about
it because he didn't want to.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
You know, is probed of about this Sydney.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
This right here, here we have Rob Shooter Seawn Combs
beating the stew out of Cassie Venture. She's holding her
her little left hand to fight him off, and they're
going to argue, according to gia Ghos, And of course
this could change, just like the defense in Scott Peterson
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changed from a satanic cult took Lacey to burglars took Lacy.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
I mean it changed over time.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
So at one point gia Ghost let it slip that
the argument to defeat this video is that Cassie ninety
pound Cassie is the aggressor here. She's the one giving
him the booty beating over text from another woman. Okay,
she's the aggressor. Same thing with the chef, see what
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I'm saying. The connection, So apparently that's his modus operandi,
method of operation.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
He attacks the woman according to evidence and.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Then says she's the aggress Did he ever take responsibility
for anything, Rob Shooter.
Speaker 13 (18:04):
He took responsibility when everything went well, When things were
going good, it was because of him. When things were
not going well, it was because of everybody else. But
this video here, Nancy, this is the case. To me,
this video changes everything. And there's some irony that a
man who has spent his whole life putting out images,
videos to make him into the star he is is ultimately,
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I believe, going to be brought down because of this video.
That is something that is going to be in the
jury's mind. And the excuses are just excuses.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
You just stated that Cove spent an entire lifetime curating
an image through video and photos like what image.
Speaker 13 (18:48):
Let me give you examples of this. There were images
to make him look powerful, images to make him look important,
images to make him look literally like a king. I
got Diddy was People Magazine's Sexiest Men Alive issue. He
wanted the cover. He did not get that, but he
was in the issue and he shot it as if
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he was a king. He asked at the photoshoot if
he could have a crown on his head, if he
could have a coat of fur coat, and he knew
the power of images. I remember distinctly he once said
to me, Rob, the story doesn't matter. The headline and
the photograph is all anybody remembers. He knew the power
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of media, he knew the power of video, and he
exploited it. And now it's going to bite him in
the bum.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Straight out to sydney' sumner, Crime Story's investigative reporter who
has been on the case from the beginning and has
been analyzing Cassy Ventiro's testimony. Sidney, the high points of
Cassy Venturo's testimony, explain Nija.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
I think the high point of Cassy's testimony is that
Dinny was in control of many aspects of her life.
So she meets Comb at just nineteen years old. Their
relationship begins when she's just about twenty one, and she
talks about not even wanting to kiss Sean Combs. So
the first time that they shared a kiss, they weren't
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a couple at this point, the first time he showed
romantic interest in her without her twenty first birthday party
in Las Vegas, and Kathy admits that the kids left
her feeling extremely confused. She ran from her party in tears,
not sure what to do with that as a new
artist in the industry. So their relationship starting on that
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point and going from there, com just continued to take
more and more control of her life and he was
always there. Like she didn't pick up the song, he
would call her over and over until she did, or
he would send security guards to come find her. So,
on top of the freak offs, which seems to be
just a segment of their relationship, equal worse her into
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anything in everything, she didn't feel like she had an
ability to say no to Combs, especially with the violence.
In the threats of releasing these videos, Ventura talks about
keeping broken iPhones and broken laptops and things of that
nature because she was so worried about what was on
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them if anyone was to get their hands on them.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Speaking of a laptop incident earlier on we heard from
witness Philip Listen.
Speaker 14 (21:31):
Philip describes one evening where Ventura was at the computer
during a break in sex Colms yelled for his girlfriend
to come to him, and when she did not, Calms
through a bottle of liquoric Cassie that shattered against the
wall after missing her head by inches. Philip says, Colmbs
then dragged Ventura to another room, and he overheard what
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sounded like a smack, then Combs saying, when I tell
you to come here, you come here now, not later.
Moments later, the couple rear merged and Combs demanded they resume.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Joining us is Rob Shooter, publicist for Sean Combs.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Rob thank you for being with us, also star of
Naughty but Nice podcast and author of the fore word answer,
you have a particular insight into another relationship, if it
could be called that of Combs, which preceded Cassie Ventura
is basically a blueprint second verse same as the first,
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and that would be Kim Porter, the mother of his
children now dead. Rob Shooter describe Combs his relationship with
miss Porter.
Speaker 13 (22:42):
Puff's relationship with Kim was very much the same relationship
he had with Cassie. In fact, some people called Cassie
Kim two point zero. They had seen this method, they
had seen this relationship, they had seen this brooming, and
so Kim was shy bef what she was told.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
Was very much on his arm.
Speaker 13 (23:05):
He didn't like her to talk very much. He picked
the clothes that he would wear, he would decide the
events that she would go to.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
Cassie seems to be doing.
Speaker 13 (23:14):
That too, or have done that too. The difference though,
is that Kim didn't want to be a recording artist.
Cassie really did. She wanted to bake it brig in
show business. She wanted to record songs, and so my
heart breaks for her because she was not only in
debt to Diddy in her personal life, but also her
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professional life, which must be made impossible, almost impossible for
her to get away.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
From Special Guest joining me.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Brett Brown, executive director, s ASS Surviving Assault, Standing Strong.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
You know, it's the same old thing, it's not a
new story. And to try to explain why.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Women stay, I mean a woman's face with losing her home,
losing her career, maybe losing her children, being blackballed in
the industry, What would you do? What would you not
do to ensure those things don't happen?
Speaker 2 (24:17):
What about it? Brett?
Speaker 15 (24:18):
Well, I think it's everything that you just said. The
part that we're kind of missing is the beginning and
the end. You know, these women they want to be
seen and they want to be respected, and they want
to achieve, and those desires get used against them in
this power imbalance and so whether we're talking about Harvey
Weinstein or we're talking about Sean Comb's, the recipe is
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still the same. And once they're on the hook with
these powerful men, then become you enters. The threats and
the violence and the force, and so fear and financial
insecurity and so many other things start to play in.
And so it's not a matter if I keep going
so I can get something. These women have to stay
in this situation in order to stay alive. And it's
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interesting to me because Sean comes, like any abuser, has
spent an enormous amount of time on his reputation and
on his look to make sure that he seems like
the fun guy next door. And here is this predator
sitting in a courtroom with a Bible. And I just
wanted to say that even Satan quoted scripture in the Bible,
and at the end of the day, he was still
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the devil.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Lauren Colin an investigative reporter and start a pop Crime TV.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Lauren, thank you for being with us. What happened in.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Courty saw Kid Cutty testify and it was fairly quick.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
It took a portion of the morning, and during opening statements,
the prosecutors gave us a little bit of a taste
about this break in that involved Ditty, an assistant and
one of his associates. Well, when kid Cutty aka Scott
Mescadi took the stand, it turns out that Ditty was
the one that broke into his house kidnapped one of
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his employees. Capricorn Clark with an associate went over there
looking for Cat And this was after Seawan Colmes found
out about this relationship that was going on between hit
Cutty and Cassie.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
And look, kid Cutty said he was a little confused.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Cassie had told him that she and Sean Colmes were
broken up. You know, they were on again, off again.
So when he got this call from Cassie where she
was very very upset and alarmed. This was in twenty eleven,
he went to pick her up. He took her to
a hotel and it turns out she gave Sean Colmes
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kid Cutty's address. This came out that was a little confusing.
So Kid Cutty finds out that Seawan Colmes is at
his house because Capricorn Clark, the assistant, calls him and
Cassie from the driveway in the car very scared and says, look,
Colmes is in the house. Now, kid Cutty gets very upset.
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He says he's going over there. So he drives over there,
and he says that he calls Seawan Colmes and he says, hey, mother, effer,
why are you in my house? And Ditty says something
like I just want to talk now. When he gets
to the house, Ditty's no longer there. He notices that,
you know, nothing is broken, nothing is out of place,
but he did have some Christmas presents for his family
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in chanel boxes. Those were unwrapped on the kitchen table,
and his dog was locked in a bathroom. He also
noted that the surveillance cameras outside his house appeared.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
To be pointed down. Now, after this, you know, he leaves.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
He sees that he's getting text messages from Colms, and
he thinks to himself, Okay, I don't really know if
I want to get involved here, because who knows if
he has weapons whatever. So he actually calls the police
and files a police report. Now we've discussed this. It's
December of twenty eleven. Kid Cutty and Cassie go to
Cassie's family home in Connecticut for the holidays. Sean Colmes
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still is texting Kid Cutty, you know, trying to talk
to him, trying to to you know, get a meeting
with him, and Cuddy ignores him, and then Cassie ends
up breaking up with him. On his trip, he returns
back to la and a month later, it's January twenty twelve.
He is about forty five minutes away from his house.
Kid Cutty and his doll babysitter calls him and says,
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your car is on fire in the driveway. A Molotov
cocktail has somehow been thrown in the car. We then
see pictures of the car. The roof is broken in
or sunken in with a hole in it. The inside
is all charred. He calls the police, files the police report,
and then a few days later he says.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
Okay, you know that's it.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
I'm contacting Combs or we're going to work this out.
So they have a meeting at the La Soho house.
He describes d Rock, the security guard that we've heard
about multiple times, ushering him into this room, and this
got a lot of laughed Nancy. He described Combs as
facing this big window in the room with his back
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towards him his hands behind his back, and he actually
said he looked like a Marvel super villain. So he
said also that Ditty's demeanor was so calm that it
was almost bizarre. He offered him water twice, you know,
and and they seemed to work it out. And then
at the end of the conversation and Cassie joined later
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by the way, and at the end of the conversation,
Cutty says they shook hands and while their hands.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
Were clasped, he said, well, what about my car?
Speaker 3 (29:29):
And Diddy basically was like, I don't know anything about
your car, and they let their hands go, and then
you know, they kind of walked out and that was that.
And he said he hadn't seen him until a few
years later he saw him again at the Soho house,
and this time Diddy was with his two daughters, and
he apologized to Kit Cutty and said, look, I'm sorry
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for everything that's that happened, anything that went on between us,
but Nancy. When Brian Steele got up to do the
cross examination, he pointed out a couple of things, as
that's his job. But he pointed out that during the
break in kid Cutty's door, there's no damage to it,
the door was wide open and anybody walked in. He
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also pointed out that there were DNA or fingerprints pulled
from the investigation into the car blow up, and those
that DNA was actually it belonged to a female.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Okay, let me understand something.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
So one month later, after the whole Cassie Ventura relationship
blows up, one month later, Kid Cutty's car is bombed
with a molotov? So isn't it true that Shawn Combs
had discussed blowing up his car?
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Yes, Cassie, this is through Cassie.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
She said that this was discussed and he was going
to do it when one of Kid Cutty's friends were present.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
So Shawn Combs's fingerprints and DNA were not on the
car that was blown up with a molotov?
Speaker 2 (31:04):
One month after? Did he threaten to blow it up? Okay? Sorry,
not impressed.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
I mean, do you really think Shawn Colmbs Diddy was
going to run down to the sip Go or the
Valero would pump his own gas into a container and
make his own molotov? I mean, he didn't even clean
up his own disgusting hotel rooms that were covered with
a baby oil slick he made somebody else do it,
so of course his DNA isn't there. Why is it important?
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Because that is what a criminal enterprise is. Now we
see former assistant George Kaplan on the stand. Now talk
about an unindicted co conspirator.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
That would be him. Listen.
Speaker 8 (31:47):
Assistant George Kaplan says he was sent to pick up
drugs for his famous boss. Kaplin says Sean Combs gave
him cash and a phone.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Number to call. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 8 (32:08):
Assistant George Kaplan says he was sent to pick up
drugs for his famous boss. Caplin says Shawn Combs gave
him cash and a phone number to.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Call so Shawn Combs could talk a grown man into
going and buying his drugs for him.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
No wonder this went down in the courtroom.
Speaker 12 (32:28):
Listen, did He's former assistant George Kaplan takes the stand.
Kaplan tells the judge he is only here because of
a subpoena and he plans to invoke his Fifth Amendment right.
Judge Supermany in grants Kaplin immunity. The deal does not
cover perjury.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
You see a little snippet of all the drugs seized
at Shawn Comb's mansion. Now we know that Frank Black
was a name, a pseudonym used to check Shaan Comb's
in and out of hotel rooms, also used to get
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fake prescriptions, which is illegal. You think that Shawn comes
rolled up in his SUV to the CVS or the
Dwayne Read or the Walgreens and got his own stuff.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
No, uh huh, there had to be a minion, Troy Slayton.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Shawn Holmes convinced Kaplan to perform crimes for him buying drugs,
get illegal drugs such as MDMA. Also convinced him to
get prescription drugs under a fake name, where Slatin also
a crime. So now he is talking his minion into
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buying his astroglide, lubricant, his baby oil, his candles, his liquor,
all of that and importantly critically using the company credit
card choice Layton.
Speaker 9 (34:02):
Well buy an astro glide, although it may sound gross
in this situations not illegal. Buying drugs yes, illegal, but
that doesn't make a Rico case. The government still has
to prove that the purchasing the drugs was to advance
the criminal enterprise, was to advance his business interest, his
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legitimate business interests he had.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
You think Dandy took all those drugs himself. No, that
was being dropped in the woman's drinks.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
I mean you need to go.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Back to law school, man and take a refresher course
on rico. Rico is anything any act that advances a crime,
and the crimes have to be laid out in the indictment.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Which they are. I've already read them to you. I'll
read them again. Sex trapping, for labor, kidnapping, arson stressing.
Speaker 9 (34:55):
Those are all terrible things, but that doesn't make rico.
You have to prove what are you.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Saying Diddy was using all those drugs for. He'd be
dead if he took them all. He was feeding them
to these women in their drinks. What do you think
the astrog line the baby oles for for a free
off according to these women against their will and bringing
in mal sex workers from another state that is against
the law recoverent.
Speaker 9 (35:21):
That would be that sex trafficking. So we're we're mixing
up two different things there, Nancy, you know that those
are separate them.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Yes, you're the one that said asked why i'd I
had nothing to do with it. It has everything to
do with it, just like the.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Baby oil.
Speaker 9 (35:37):
Just because somebody is having a rock star is having
a drug fueled party, doesn't mean that they're guilty of rico.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
To doctor Bethany Marshall, that video of the literally a
Dixie dumpster going down the hallway of the hotel, Doctor Bethany,
how do you convince grown men and women to do
your illegal bidding and clean up your bodily fluids, your spink, Nancy,
your baby oil, your astro glide if they do.
Speaker 16 (36:08):
It, all of it, Nancy. Probably what he did is
he started out being super charming with them, pretending to
be their friend, buying them gifts, pretending to advance their
interests in some way, and once he gained their trust,
he would send them out on some criminal act. Once
they committed the criminal act, now they were stuck and
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could not get away.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Isn't it true City Summer, That sworn testimony is that
Shawn Colmes tried to bribe a security guy.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
That's correct, Nancy. He tried to hand this security guard
a stack of money as big as his hand to
leave them alone and to just drop the whole situation
and not get Cassie Ventura out of that Intercontinental Hotel room.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
So Tom Smith, former NYPD, star of Goalshields podcast, Tom Smith.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
I guess it's just a did world and we all
live in it.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Because all these people are so afraid or have their
careers at stake, they go along with it. It will
be a cold day in hubl that I would go
clean up somebody else's bodily fluids unless my children threw up.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
It's not gonna happen. But all these people just went
along to get along, yep.
Speaker 10 (37:20):
And its influence and it's his power that controlled them.
What can he do for them in the future, How
can he propel their jobs, their careers anything like that.
That all is involved in this power trip that he
was on. And like you know, Nancy, once you get
away with it a little bit, you keep pushing the
envelope to the next level, to the next level.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Right now, Shawn Combs in a federal courthouse being charged
and being tried for.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
A multi count federal indictment.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
And what Rico means, which is the major prize for
the state, is that Shawn Combs headed up a criminal
enterprise involving many many crimes including arson, blowing up Kid
Cuddy's cawn.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
You hear that Troy Slayton, it's the death nail. It's
the death nail.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Kid Cutty's testimony, and the testimony of all these other assistants,
the nail and the coffin the death nail.
Speaker 9 (38:20):
For Diddy, it might be Nancy, but the government is
still going to have to weave together all these disparate
dots and tie it together to show that this was
an overarching grand conspiracy to further a criminal enterprise. And
I think we're going to hear a lot from Diddy's
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attorneys when it comes time for his defense to put
on their presentation.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Well, you're right, Slayton. I don't know what they've got
up their sleeves, but you're absolutely right. In the state
better be ready. Thank you to our guest, but especially
to you for being with us, Nancy gray soning Off,
good night, friend,
Crime Stores with Nancy Grace, the federal government versus Sean
Come joining us now investigative reporter Lauren Colin, star of
Pop Crime TV.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Lauren, thank you for being with us. A lot happening
in the courtroom.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
First of all, direct examination of a special agent, Girard Gannon.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
What happened?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
We finished the direct examination of special Agent Girard Gannon.
He's with the HSI and he finished showing us all
of the evidence that was collected during the Miami raid
of Seawan Colins's house. And this is his house on
Two Star Island, and what they seized from the house.
They seized two defaced AR fifteens, and these AR fifteens.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
They were separated.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
We saw the the lower barrels and the upper barrels.
The upper barrels were actually they were wrapped in a
towel and the lower barrels were in a separate spot.
And the magazines were not with the lower barrels. However,
the lower magazines were loaded, both of them.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
You know, a lot is being made of the number
of agents at the raid, and I find that very
very disturbing. Sidney Sumner also joining US Crime Story's investigative
reporter Sydney. I understand there were dozens of federal agents at.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
The raid, so what what's the issue?
Speaker 5 (01:29):
Agents went in feeling like they were going to be
confronted by armed guards. That's what they thought they were
walking into when they came into this house. They specifically
waited for Combs and his family to leave before they
entered to avoid any more confrontation. They only found six
people at the home, a music producer who has not
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been named, a property manager, and a few other staff members.
But they put all of those people in handcuffs to
go into the home, and there were ninety agents total
just about and they had people sitting out at the
water to make sure nobody tried to flee into the
canal right behind his home. They had to come into
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this in full force, and they were right. They found
a r's with several modifications scratched off serial numbers. They
knew they were possibly coming into a firefight and prepared
for it.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
The Feds even have the backside that is on the
water completely surrounded. You know what, Sidney Summer, You and
I've covered a lot of cases together when we've gone
on location and investigated a lot of cases. You know
what a gun it makes a big man little and
a little man big.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
You know, let's tell it like it is.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Chris mcgunn adjoining me former homicide to detective, a star
of the Interview Room now on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Chris mcdonnaugh. You get an ar going, you get an
M sixteen going.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
How many FEDS could they shoot down up thirty seconds?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Tell it?
Speaker 6 (03:02):
Yeah, a lot. And that's why these operations. You know,
you start out with an OP plan and you discover
those vulnerabilities in relationship to officer safety. You know, where
do officers need to be placed and are they safe
in those positions based on the potential threats that you
could be facing.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
They would be mowed down like an old gangster movie
where machine guns are used.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
And you know, you got to hand it to the fans. McDonough.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
They even had the backside covered that bordered on the
water because I could absolutely see some of dde's cohorts
trying to make a getaway by water.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
Absolutely, And Nancy, I actually had a case where five
guys were mowed down within ten seconds from an automatic weapon.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
It was an SKS Sidney Sunder.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Did I hear you say that the serial numbers were
scratched off some of the weapons.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
Yes, both of those assault rifles, Nancy. The AR fifteens
serial numbers were scratched through, so it's unclear exactly how
they were obtained. If Colme's bot them with the seal name.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
I don't care. I don't care.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
If the angel Gabriel came down from heaven and dropped
them in Diddy's lap. That is a serious, serious offense. McDonough,
jump in, this is critical. You know why serial numbers
are scraped off of weapons?
Speaker 6 (04:27):
Absolutely, Nancy, And this tells us maybe there's a wider
net here. Right. What the FEDS are going to do
is throw it into the system called NIVEN, which is
the National Ballistic Information Network, and they're going to see
if these weapons are tied into any other crimes.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Do you think a bad guy is going to go
to the gun and knife show down at the mall
and buy a gun?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Hgl n Oh.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
They get weapons like ars, basically machine guns on the
black market. Why is a serial number scraped off? Because
that gun could be connected to another serious crime? I
want to see McDonough. McDonough, you need to get real
on this. You think they've ever found the gun that
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killed Tupac Shakur, or guns that are related to many
many other agg assault shootings and murders.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
No, they've never been recovered. And if they were recovered, unless.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
You do a ballistics test, you don't know if it's
the murder weapon or the assault weapon. Why because criminals
scrape off the serial number.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Crime stories with Nancy Greece.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Straight back to Lauren Colin other In addition to all
the weapons, I mean a lot of weapons, what can
you tell tell me about women's shoes with seven inch
platform heels.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
And it was pretty wild to see a special agent
hold up seven inch heels in court that just happened
to be pat and leather and red. We saw Balenciaga
boots that had three different cell phones in them, and
then we saw a fourth cell phone in a separate room.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
We saw a.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Gucci bag that was filled with a rolled up one
hundred dollars bill. Different types of pills, yellow, orange, pink,
different powders. We saw eye drops and later these drugs
were tested and they were confirmed to be hook ketamine,
an MDMA actually in an eye dropper, and there were
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actually three orange tablets they found with Tesla symbols on them,
and oh, we also saw xanax drugs were tested for xanax.
There also was a wooden box in the bathroom they
found and on top of that wooden bar was a
gold inscription that said Puffy. There were mushroom pilled in that,
and then a bag of crystal rocks that turns out
(07:07):
was MDMA no Sidney Sumner.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
That reminds me of one of the first times we
heard about a male escort. We heard that one male
sex worker showed up, knocks at the door.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Cassie comes to the door wearing.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Scantily clad laingerie and these heels. I guarantee you it's
not ditty walking around in eight inch platform heels. He
has the women dress up in various outfits and we
see all those heels at his Miami mansion.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Sydney, and we heard.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
A similar story from both of the male escorts that
have testified that they believed they were coming for some
kind of bachelorette party. And then this woman opens the door.
She's buying herself except for her purported husband in the
corner of the room, and she's disguised. She's wearing some
kind of lingerete a matching wig, some kind of heels,
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and it just doesn't it doesn't make sense the defensive
theory that they're saying that this is all just private
sex matter for Sean Diddy Coulmbs, there is no reason
to own half of the Spencer store. Just keep that
in your home. If that's purely for personal use, where
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there's not more than one person involved, you're not having
opious amounts of freak off parties. It just it doesn't crack.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
We've heard about a Louis Vuitton bag, a huge Louis
stuffed full of horse trunk, uh, ecstasy, cocaine, pink cocaine,
plan be, birth control appeals, and of course high powered viagra.
(08:54):
Diddy needs his viagra. Okay, I'm gonna have to go
to our shrink. The moment about mushroom peels, crystal rocks
that are MD and A and what effect that has
you know, I'll ask him right now.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Joining me.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Scott Johnson, Forensic Psychologists, thirty three years addressing sex Predators
Forensic Consultation dot org. It's where you can find him,
author of Physical Abusers and Sex Offenders. When I Love
You Turns Violent? That's another book. Scott Johnson, thank you
for being with us.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
What is MD in a and what effect does it
have on a person?
Speaker 7 (09:33):
All right, So you have the ecstasy basically by the
street name, and you have people that become delusional. It's
difficult to say no. At higher levels. It may cause
a euphoric statement where people are kind of out of
touch with reality, sort of delusional. But it's very difficult
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to say no or to resist when you're under the
influence of these medications.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Ecstasy moll a stimulant with psychedelic properties.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
That's what it is.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
And if you drop it in one of these ladies' drinks,
there's no telling what a thing it is.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Going to have on her.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Lauren Colin very quickly, Laura, I want to ask you
about what happened when we got to Diddy's bathroom of
his mansion that was raided.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
The bathrooms.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Yeah, and then we got to a bathroom where we
saw two containers and in one container there was twenty
five bottles of baby oil and thirty one bottles of astroglide.
And I actually spotted two rubber duckies, a little bit confusing,
and when they asked a special agent, were there more
baby oil?
Speaker 4 (10:38):
That you found.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
He said, yes, and there was because we saw a
mini crate of baby oil during his direct testimony the
day before. Now, right around when he was testifying, Diddy's sons,
Justin and Christian walked in and did he turned around.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
He didn't smile, but he nodded his head at them.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Is he guilty of all the counts or any of
the counts in this federal indictment?
Speaker 2 (11:00):
So far, according to my legal.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Analysis, the charges of sex trafficking have been shown by
not only Cassi Ventura, but another female witness as well.
Transportation of male sex workers across state lines to engage
in prostitution. Yes, now, racketeering is going to have to
be explained to the jury. Racketeering just think about Tony Soprano.
(11:25):
It is a loose confederation of people that engage altogether
to achieve a criminal act. In this criminal conspiracy, the
act would be sex trafficking, bringing people in from various
states to perform prostitution and to force women to engage
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in free co offs against their wills. Bam easy. My
question is what woman in her right mind would consent
to have sex with not just a male escort, a
lot of people do that, but a convicted killer slash
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male escort listen.
Speaker 8 (12:08):
At least two of the male escorts Cassie identified it
worked on the Showtime reality series Jiggilows. One is also
a convicted murderer Okshaya Kubiak who uses the name ash
armand beat her lean Doulai to death. Kubiak claimed he
blacked out after taking mushrooms with Duly, one of Kubiak's clients,
(12:28):
and when he woke up the next morning, she was
brutally beaten to death.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
I'm gonna found it in pain. Could have live in pain.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
We took mustoms together last night.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
They were to struggle subli concerts or breeding. We have
the male.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
Detain right now.
Speaker 9 (12:44):
Offsters and medical personnel arrived on scene and that female
was pronounced deceased.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
This was one of the worst beatings of a person
of a human that I've seen.
Speaker 10 (12:52):
The whole situation is what horror movies are made of.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
On the mornings a murder, they didn't call nine one
one first, they actually called another jiggleaf that from Paramounts,
Sin City Jigglow. They find the dead body and they
don't call nine one one. They actually call another Jigglow. Okay,
you know to Rachel Fisher joining us a special guest
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joining us. Rachel is an anti trafficking expert featured in
the twenty two documentary Surviving Sex Trafficking. She is a
forensic nurse, a sex assault nurse examiner, an expert witness,
and she is at Legal r inc consult dot org. Rachel,
thank you for being with us. It's one thing to
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talk about Diddy dressed up in a Muslim female burka
from the neck up. It's another thing to talk about
this male escorts. Moniker is the punisher, but it's another
thing to force a woman a that would be Cassie Ventura,
and to set with not just a Jigleo, but a
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convicted killer Jigglow.
Speaker 11 (14:04):
That's the danger of forcing somebody to be involved in
a commercial sex act. Whether you're the recipient or you're
the one performing it and getting paid for it, that's
still a commercial sex act that she was being coerce
and forced into. And you never know who's on the
other end of the call when you click that ad
online to order an escort, because you can get one
faster than you can get a pizza in most places,
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and whoever shows up, you don't know their background. It's
a very dangerous career to be in the sex industry,
and many of the people that are there are not
there willingly, and some are, but you never know what
their story is on the other side and what they're
going to come with. That's why we have so many
that are murdered when they're in the sex industry. Or
you get an in call where an escort comes to
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you and you get murdered or robbed, and it's a
very dangerous thing that you're forcing somebody to be a
part of. There are multiple people involved, and so all
of those people become part of that scheme.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
I wonder what ed bd didy he is feeling and
thinking right now in a courtroom as a Homeland Security
special agent describes everything that was found in his mansion
that was rated, crates of baby oil as to glide.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
That's not against the law.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
What I care about are the federal counts in that
federal indictment.
Speaker 12 (15:23):
Former assistant David James testifies that Combs was occasionally violent
with private chef Jordan Atkinson. According to James, after an
altercation at his Alpine, New Jersey home, Combs instructed him
to file a police report stating Atkinson was the aggressor
and hit him first. James, who witnessed the altercation, says
he simply drove around Alpine for roughly an hour before
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returning and telling Combs it was filed. James says he
didn't want to comply with Combs's request because he did
not want to file a false report.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Sidney Summer joining me investigative reporter, Crime Stories. Sidney explained
to me, Am I getting this correct. The former assistant
David James described an incident where Sean Combs allegedly attacked
a female chef, but then wanted James to go file
a police report, stating it was the other way around,
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but James didn't do it.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
That's absolutely correct. James said that Comb's and this chef
got into an altercation, and Combs, immediately after it ended
team to James and asked him, look, let's go to
the cops. Let's file a police report, but make sure
it says that she attacked she hit me first, she
was the aggressor. And James kind of did his Okay, yeah,
(16:41):
I'll do that, and he got into a car and
just drove around for about an hour before returning home
and saying, yeah, filed it. It's in there. They'll contact
me if they need anything else from us. And the
whole time he never spoke to a police officer about
it because he didn't want to.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
You know, is probed of about this Sydney.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
This right here, here we have Rob Shooter Seawn Combs
beating the stew out of Cassie Venture. She's holding her
her little left hand to fight him off, and they're
going to argue, according to gia Ghos, And of course
this could change, just like the defense in Scott Peterson
(17:23):
changed from a satanic cult took Lacey to burglars took Lacy.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
I mean it changed over time.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
So at one point gia Ghost let it slip that
the argument to defeat this video is that Cassie ninety
pound Cassie is the aggressor here. She's the one giving
him the booty beating over text from another woman. Okay,
she's the aggressor. Same thing with the chef, see what
(17:50):
I'm saying. The connection, So apparently that's his modus operandi,
method of operation.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
He attacks the woman according to evidence and.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Then says she's the aggress Did he ever take responsibility
for anything, Rob Shooter.
Speaker 13 (18:04):
He took responsibility when everything went well, When things were
going good, it was because of him. When things were
not going well, it was because of everybody else. But
this video here, Nancy, this is the case. To me,
this video changes everything. And there's some irony that a
man who has spent his whole life putting out images,
videos to make him into the star he is is ultimately,
(18:28):
I believe, going to be brought down because of this video.
That is something that is going to be in the
jury's mind. And the excuses are just excuses.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
You just stated that Cove spent an entire lifetime curating
an image through video and photos like what image.
Speaker 13 (18:48):
Let me give you examples of this. There were images
to make him look powerful, images to make him look important,
images to make him look literally like a king. I
got Diddy was People Magazine's Sexiest Men Alive issue. He
wanted the cover. He did not get that, but he
was in the issue and he shot it as if
(19:09):
he was a king. He asked at the photoshoot if
he could have a crown on his head, if he
could have a coat of fur coat, and he knew
the power of images. I remember distinctly he once said
to me, Rob, the story doesn't matter. The headline and
the photograph is all anybody remembers. He knew the power
(19:31):
of media, he knew the power of video, and he
exploited it. And now it's going to bite him in
the bum.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Straight out to sydney' sumner, Crime Story's investigative reporter who
has been on the case from the beginning and has
been analyzing Cassy Ventiro's testimony. Sidney, the high points of
Cassy Venturo's testimony, explain Nija.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
I think the high point of Cassy's testimony is that
Dinny was in control of many aspects of her life.
So she meets Comb at just nineteen years old. Their
relationship begins when she's just about twenty one, and she
talks about not even wanting to kiss Sean Combs. So
the first time that they shared a kiss, they weren't
(20:15):
a couple at this point, the first time he showed
romantic interest in her without her twenty first birthday party
in Las Vegas, and Kathy admits that the kids left
her feeling extremely confused. She ran from her party in tears,
not sure what to do with that as a new
artist in the industry. So their relationship starting on that
(20:36):
point and going from there, com just continued to take
more and more control of her life and he was
always there. Like she didn't pick up the song, he
would call her over and over until she did, or
he would send security guards to come find her. So,
on top of the freak offs, which seems to be
just a segment of their relationship, equal worse her into
(21:00):
anything in everything, she didn't feel like she had an
ability to say no to Combs, especially with the violence.
In the threats of releasing these videos, Ventura talks about
keeping broken iPhones and broken laptops and things of that
nature because she was so worried about what was on
(21:21):
them if anyone was to get their hands on them.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Speaking of a laptop incident earlier on we heard from
witness Philip Listen.
Speaker 14 (21:31):
Philip describes one evening where Ventura was at the computer
during a break in sex Colms yelled for his girlfriend
to come to him, and when she did not, Calms
through a bottle of liquoric Cassie that shattered against the
wall after missing her head by inches. Philip says, Colmbs
then dragged Ventura to another room, and he overheard what
(21:52):
sounded like a smack, then Combs saying, when I tell
you to come here, you come here now, not later.
Moments later, the couple rear merged and Combs demanded they resume.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Joining us is Rob Shooter, publicist for Sean Combs.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Rob thank you for being with us, also star of
Naughty but Nice podcast and author of the fore word answer,
you have a particular insight into another relationship, if it
could be called that of Combs, which preceded Cassie Ventura
is basically a blueprint second verse same as the first,
(22:27):
and that would be Kim Porter, the mother of his
children now dead. Rob Shooter describe Combs his relationship with
miss Porter.
Speaker 13 (22:42):
Puff's relationship with Kim was very much the same relationship
he had with Cassie. In fact, some people called Cassie
Kim two point zero. They had seen this method, they
had seen this relationship, they had seen this brooming, and
so Kim was shy bef what she was told.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
Was very much on his arm.
Speaker 13 (23:05):
He didn't like her to talk very much. He picked
the clothes that he would wear, he would decide the
events that she would go to.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
Cassie seems to be doing.
Speaker 13 (23:14):
That too, or have done that too. The difference though,
is that Kim didn't want to be a recording artist.
Cassie really did. She wanted to bake it brig in
show business. She wanted to record songs, and so my
heart breaks for her because she was not only in
debt to Diddy in her personal life, but also her
(23:38):
professional life, which must be made impossible, almost impossible for
her to get away.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
From Special Guest joining me.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Brett Brown, executive director, s ASS Surviving Assault, Standing Strong.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
You know, it's the same old thing, it's not a
new story. And to try to explain why.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Women stay, I mean a woman's face with losing her home,
losing her career, maybe losing her children, being blackballed in
the industry, What would you do? What would you not
do to ensure those things don't happen?
Speaker 2 (24:17):
What about it? Brett?
Speaker 15 (24:18):
Well, I think it's everything that you just said. The
part that we're kind of missing is the beginning and
the end. You know, these women they want to be
seen and they want to be respected, and they want
to achieve, and those desires get used against them in
this power imbalance and so whether we're talking about Harvey
Weinstein or we're talking about Sean Comb's, the recipe is
(24:38):
still the same. And once they're on the hook with
these powerful men, then become you enters. The threats and
the violence and the force, and so fear and financial
insecurity and so many other things start to play in.
And so it's not a matter if I keep going
so I can get something. These women have to stay
in this situation in order to stay alive. And it's
(25:00):
interesting to me because Sean comes, like any abuser, has
spent an enormous amount of time on his reputation and
on his look to make sure that he seems like
the fun guy next door. And here is this predator
sitting in a courtroom with a Bible. And I just
wanted to say that even Satan quoted scripture in the Bible,
and at the end of the day, he was still
(25:21):
the devil.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Lauren Colin an investigative reporter and start a pop Crime TV.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Lauren, thank you for being with us. What happened in.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Courty saw Kid Cutty testify and it was fairly quick.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
It took a portion of the morning, and during opening statements,
the prosecutors gave us a little bit of a taste
about this break in that involved Ditty, an assistant and
one of his associates. Well, when kid Cutty aka Scott
Mescadi took the stand, it turns out that Ditty was
the one that broke into his house kidnapped one of
(25:54):
his employees. Capricorn Clark with an associate went over there
looking for Cat And this was after Seawan Colmes found
out about this relationship that was going on between hit
Cutty and Cassie.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
And look, kid Cutty said he was a little confused.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Cassie had told him that she and Sean Colmes were
broken up. You know, they were on again, off again.
So when he got this call from Cassie where she
was very very upset and alarmed. This was in twenty eleven,
he went to pick her up. He took her to
a hotel and it turns out she gave Sean Colmes
(26:32):
kid Cutty's address. This came out that was a little confusing.
So Kid Cutty finds out that Seawan Colmes is at
his house because Capricorn Clark, the assistant, calls him and
Cassie from the driveway in the car very scared and says, look,
Colmes is in the house. Now, kid Cutty gets very upset.
(26:53):
He says he's going over there. So he drives over there,
and he says that he calls Seawan Colmes and he says, hey, mother, effer,
why are you in my house? And Ditty says something
like I just want to talk now. When he gets
to the house, Ditty's no longer there. He notices that,
you know, nothing is broken, nothing is out of place,
but he did have some Christmas presents for his family
(27:16):
in chanel boxes. Those were unwrapped on the kitchen table,
and his dog was locked in a bathroom. He also
noted that the surveillance cameras outside his house appeared.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
To be pointed down. Now, after this, you know, he leaves.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
He sees that he's getting text messages from Colms, and
he thinks to himself, Okay, I don't really know if
I want to get involved here, because who knows if
he has weapons whatever. So he actually calls the police
and files a police report. Now we've discussed this. It's
December of twenty eleven. Kid Cutty and Cassie go to
Cassie's family home in Connecticut for the holidays. Sean Colmes
(27:54):
still is texting Kid Cutty, you know, trying to talk
to him, trying to to you know, get a meeting
with him, and Cuddy ignores him, and then Cassie ends
up breaking up with him. On his trip, he returns
back to la and a month later, it's January twenty twelve.
He is about forty five minutes away from his house.
Kid Cutty and his doll babysitter calls him and says,
(28:17):
your car is on fire in the driveway. A Molotov
cocktail has somehow been thrown in the car. We then
see pictures of the car. The roof is broken in
or sunken in with a hole in it. The inside
is all charred. He calls the police, files the police report,
and then a few days later he says.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
Okay, you know that's it.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
I'm contacting Combs or we're going to work this out.
So they have a meeting at the La Soho house.
He describes d Rock, the security guard that we've heard
about multiple times, ushering him into this room, and this
got a lot of laughed Nancy. He described Combs as
facing this big window in the room with his back
(29:00):
towards him his hands behind his back, and he actually
said he looked like a Marvel super villain. So he
said also that Ditty's demeanor was so calm that it
was almost bizarre. He offered him water twice, you know,
and and they seemed to work it out. And then
at the end of the conversation and Cassie joined later
(29:20):
by the way, and at the end of the conversation,
Cutty says they shook hands and while their hands.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
Were clasped, he said, well, what about my car?
Speaker 3 (29:29):
And Diddy basically was like, I don't know anything about
your car, and they let their hands go, and then
you know, they kind of walked out and that was that.
And he said he hadn't seen him until a few
years later he saw him again at the Soho house,
and this time Diddy was with his two daughters, and
he apologized to Kit Cutty and said, look, I'm sorry
(29:50):
for everything that's that happened, anything that went on between us,
but Nancy. When Brian Steele got up to do the
cross examination, he pointed out a couple of things, as
that's his job. But he pointed out that during the
break in kid Cutty's door, there's no damage to it,
the door was wide open and anybody walked in. He
(30:12):
also pointed out that there were DNA or fingerprints pulled
from the investigation into the car blow up, and those
that DNA was actually it belonged to a female.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Okay, let me understand something.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
So one month later, after the whole Cassie Ventura relationship
blows up, one month later, Kid Cutty's car is bombed
with a molotov? So isn't it true that Shawn Combs
had discussed blowing up his car?
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Yes, Cassie, this is through Cassie.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
She said that this was discussed and he was going
to do it when one of Kid Cutty's friends were present.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
So Shawn Combs's fingerprints and DNA were not on the
car that was blown up with a molotov?
Speaker 2 (31:04):
One month after? Did he threaten to blow it up? Okay? Sorry,
not impressed.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
I mean, do you really think Shawn Colmbs Diddy was
going to run down to the sip Go or the
Valero would pump his own gas into a container and
make his own molotov? I mean, he didn't even clean
up his own disgusting hotel rooms that were covered with
a baby oil slick he made somebody else do it,
so of course his DNA isn't there. Why is it important?
(31:32):
Because that is what a criminal enterprise is. Now we
see former assistant George Kaplan on the stand. Now talk
about an unindicted co conspirator.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
That would be him. Listen.
Speaker 8 (31:47):
Assistant George Kaplan says he was sent to pick up
drugs for his famous boss. Kaplin says Sean Combs gave
him cash and a phone.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Number to call. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 8 (32:08):
Assistant George Kaplan says he was sent to pick up
drugs for his famous boss. Caplin says Shawn Combs gave
him cash and a phone number to.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Call so Shawn Combs could talk a grown man into
going and buying his drugs for him.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
No wonder this went down in the courtroom.
Speaker 12 (32:28):
Listen, did He's former assistant George Kaplan takes the stand.
Kaplan tells the judge he is only here because of
a subpoena and he plans to invoke his Fifth Amendment right.
Judge Supermany in grants Kaplin immunity. The deal does not
cover perjury.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
You see a little snippet of all the drugs seized
at Shawn Comb's mansion. Now we know that Frank Black
was a name, a pseudonym used to check Shaan Comb's
in and out of hotel rooms, also used to get
(33:02):
fake prescriptions, which is illegal. You think that Shawn comes
rolled up in his SUV to the CVS or the
Dwayne Read or the Walgreens and got his own stuff.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
No, uh huh, there had to be a minion, Troy Slayton.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Shawn Holmes convinced Kaplan to perform crimes for him buying drugs,
get illegal drugs such as MDMA. Also convinced him to
get prescription drugs under a fake name, where Slatin also
a crime. So now he is talking his minion into
(33:47):
buying his astroglide, lubricant, his baby oil, his candles, his liquor,
all of that and importantly critically using the company credit
card choice Layton.
Speaker 9 (34:02):
Well buy an astro glide, although it may sound gross
in this situations not illegal. Buying drugs yes, illegal, but
that doesn't make a Rico case. The government still has
to prove that the purchasing the drugs was to advance
the criminal enterprise, was to advance his business interest, his
(34:26):
legitimate business interests he had.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
You think Dandy took all those drugs himself. No, that
was being dropped in the woman's drinks.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
I mean you need to go.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Back to law school, man and take a refresher course
on rico. Rico is anything any act that advances a crime,
and the crimes have to be laid out in the indictment.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Which they are. I've already read them to you. I'll
read them again. Sex trapping, for labor, kidnapping, arson stressing.
Speaker 9 (34:55):
Those are all terrible things, but that doesn't make rico.
You have to prove what are you.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Saying Diddy was using all those drugs for. He'd be
dead if he took them all. He was feeding them
to these women in their drinks. What do you think
the astrog line the baby oles for for a free
off according to these women against their will and bringing
in mal sex workers from another state that is against
the law recoverent.
Speaker 9 (35:21):
That would be that sex trafficking. So we're we're mixing
up two different things there, Nancy, you know that those
are separate them.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Yes, you're the one that said asked why i'd I
had nothing to do with it. It has everything to
do with it, just like the.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Baby oil.
Speaker 9 (35:37):
Just because somebody is having a rock star is having
a drug fueled party, doesn't mean that they're guilty of rico.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
To doctor Bethany Marshall, that video of the literally a
Dixie dumpster going down the hallway of the hotel, Doctor Bethany,
how do you convince grown men and women to do
your illegal bidding and clean up your bodily fluids, your spink, Nancy,
your baby oil, your astro glide if they do.
Speaker 16 (36:08):
It, all of it, Nancy. Probably what he did is
he started out being super charming with them, pretending to
be their friend, buying them gifts, pretending to advance their
interests in some way, and once he gained their trust,
he would send them out on some criminal act. Once
they committed the criminal act, now they were stuck and
(36:28):
could not get away.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Isn't it true City Summer, That sworn testimony is that
Shawn Colmes tried to bribe a security guy.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
That's correct, Nancy. He tried to hand this security guard
a stack of money as big as his hand to
leave them alone and to just drop the whole situation
and not get Cassie Ventura out of that Intercontinental Hotel room.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
So Tom Smith, former NYPD, star of Goalshields podcast, Tom Smith.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
I guess it's just a did world and we all
live in it.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Because all these people are so afraid or have their
careers at stake, they go along with it. It will
be a cold day in hubl that I would go
clean up somebody else's bodily fluids unless my children threw up.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
It's not gonna happen. But all these people just went
along to get along, yep.
Speaker 10 (37:20):
And its influence and it's his power that controlled them.
What can he do for them in the future, How
can he propel their jobs, their careers anything like that.
That all is involved in this power trip that he
was on. And like you know, Nancy, once you get
away with it a little bit, you keep pushing the
envelope to the next level, to the next level.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Right now, Shawn Combs in a federal courthouse being charged
and being tried for.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
A multi count federal indictment.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
And what Rico means, which is the major prize for
the state, is that Shawn Combs headed up a criminal
enterprise involving many many crimes including arson, blowing up Kid
Cuddy's cawn.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
You hear that Troy Slayton, it's the death nail. It's
the death nail.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Kid Cutty's testimony, and the testimony of all these other assistants,
the nail and the coffin the death nail.
Speaker 9 (38:20):
For Diddy, it might be Nancy, but the government is
still going to have to weave together all these disparate
dots and tie it together to show that this was
an overarching grand conspiracy to further a criminal enterprise. And
I think we're going to hear a lot from Diddy's
(38:40):
attorneys when it comes time for his defense to put
on their presentation.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Well, you're right, Slayton. I don't know what they've got
up their sleeves, but you're absolutely right. In the state
better be ready. Thank you to our guest, but especially
to you for being with us, Nancy gray soning Off,
good night, friend,
Host
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