May 5, 2025 • 41 mins
Sean “Diddy” Combs lost his bid to delay trial, and jury selection begins today as celebrities he once partied with gather for the Met Gala. Combs appeared in court wearing glasses and a pullover after Judge Arun Subramanian allowed him to avoid prison attire during the proceedings. The judge also approved a written jury questionnaire but limited it to 30 questions.
The defense seeks insight into potential jurors’ views on topics including multiple sex partners, cheating, intimate partner violence, drug use, rap, and illegal firearm ownership. Prosecutors may call Jennifer Lopez to testify as they attempt to introduce evidence related to the 1999 Club NY shooting. Lopez and Combs fled the club after gunfire wounded three people.
Combs’ defense team denies all rape allegations and argues that he lives a consensual swinger lifestyle. Attorney Marc Agnifilo told the court that Combs’ behavior is legal and misunderstood. Prosecutors intend to show that Combs used his businesses to host “Freak Offs” involving male prostitutes and women allegedly coerced into sex acts.
At Combs’ last pretrial hearing, prosecutors said he rejected a plea deal. Federal prosecutor Madison Smyser confirmed the offer but declined to disclose the terms. Opening statements are scheduled for May 12.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Eric Faddis - Partner at Varner Faddis Elite Legal, Former Felony Prosecutor and Current Criminal Defense and Civil Litigation Attorney; Instagram: @e_fad @varnerfaddis; TikTok: @varnerfaddis
- Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst, Author: "Deal Breaker," and featured in hit show "Paris in Love" on Peacock; Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, X: @DrBethanyLive
- Robert Crispin - Private Investigator “Crispin Special Investigations," Former Federal Task Force Officer for the United States Department of Justice [DEA and Miami Field Division], Former Homicide and Crimes Against Children Investigator; Facebook: Crispin Special Investigations Inc.
- Lynn Shaw - Founder and Executive Director of Lynn's Warriors [an organization committed to ending human trafficking and sexual exploitation], Host of Lynn's Warriors on YouTube; X: @lynns_warriors, Youtube: @LynnsWarriors
- Lauren Conlin - Investigative Journalist, Host of The Outlier Podcast, and also Host of "Corruption: What Happened to Grant Solomon; X- @Conlin_Lauren/ Instagram- @LaurenEmilyConlin/YouTube- @LaurenConlin4
- Sydney Sumner - CrimeOnline Investigative Reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. It is doomsday for Didty.
That's right, the trial starting today. I'm Nancy Grace. This
is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Did He's big day in court looms as a last
minute plea deal from prosecutors is turned down by the
rapper and jury selections started today, the same day as
Diddy's old celebrity friends are set to gather on the
luxurious Fifth Avenue Costume Institute for the met galap.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Doomsday for Didy.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
The trial starting now, jury selection underway this as Sean
comes turns down a plea deal this morning, comes in
the courtroom flanked by a pailanx of lawyers. That's always
a bad look in front of a jury because they're.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Like, WHOA you have that many lawyers? You need a
fleet of lawyers to get your rear out of a sling.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
WHOA joining me in All star panel, But let's go
straight to the court house. Standing by is Lauren Conlin. Lauren,
thank you for being with us. Co host Primetime Crime
on YouTube. Lauren, what's happening? Start at the beginning this
morning by Nancy.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Yes, I am outside five hundred Pearl Street, the very
courthouse where Diddy will be tried on five different federal
accounts of sex trafficking.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
It was a.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Scene out here, people coming out of the courthouse screaming.
We didn't really know what was going on, but there
is a lot of press out here, a lot of
police presence, and jury's election is expected to last about
a week.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
It's the image to Robert Crispin on the case from
the get go, private investigator, former DEA, former vice former
homicide Federal Task Force officer, US Department of Justice. Robert,
it's always a bad look when the jury comes in
and now this is the impaneling jury. This is sixty
(02:00):
to one hundred people. They're gonna whittle down to twelve jurrars.
But when they look over at the defense and he's
got a fleet an army of lawyers that they're like,
it takes that many lawyers to get your rear end out.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Of the sling. You've gotten it into bad look.
Speaker 6 (02:16):
Yeah, it's going to be pounded into their head. You know,
you're innocent until proven guilty.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
But they're going to look up and they.
Speaker 6 (02:22):
Be like, wow, that's a lot of lawyers.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
What is going on here?
Speaker 7 (02:26):
What am I going to learn.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
You know you're taking a look at Shawn Combs in
some of his finery. I can't wait to hear how
he dudes up in court again, joining me an all
star panel. This on the eve of Shawn Comes rejecting
a plea deal.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
At his last pre trial hearing, prosecutors revealed that Seawan
Diddycombs had one last chance to avoid trial, but rejected
a plea deal. Federal prosecutor Madison Schmeiser disclosed that the
deal was offered, but remained secretive about the terms. Instead,
jury will be called to hear at least three weeks
of graphic witness testimony regarding year's worth of beatings, drug
(03:08):
fueled coercive sex marathons, and multiple rapes.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Joining US high profile lawyer Eric Fattus, TV Legal analyst
founding partner Varner Fattus Elite Legal, rejecting a plea deal.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
You know what I think is behind that.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I think he could not admit that what he did
was wrong. That he is guilty, no matter how sweet
the deal, unless it was straight probation.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Sean Comes is not.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Going to take a deal, Eric Fattus, even though it
may be in his best interest.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
He just shot himself in the foot.
Speaker 7 (03:42):
Well, Nancy, you know, as you know, he's proclaimed his
innocence from the beginning, and a deal would likely involve
years in prison. I would think, you know, he's not
the youngest guy in the world, and so if he
did take a plea deal, that could be a death
sentence for him professionally. You know, he has all of
these tracks and brand deals and that kind of thing,
or at least he had them, and to try to
(04:04):
have some semblance of the possibility of getting those later,
he would need to prevail at this priss and a
plea deal would not allow for them.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yeah, you know what, the death now is ringing doomsday
for Diddy. You're saying that if he pled guilty that
would ruin his what public persona?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Are you kidding me? That's ruined? What what are you
talking about?
Speaker 1 (04:27):
He's already been charged under multi count federal indictment of drugging.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Straight out to Lynn Shaw joining me, founder executive director
Lyn's Warriors, dedicated to ending sex violence on girls and women.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
His public image, Hey, do we.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Have that picture of Shawn Comes wearing a crown at
one of his free coughs. What public image, Lynn Shaw,
There is no public image.
Speaker 8 (04:52):
Dirty Dinny is going down. We are so happy and
grateful for today because finally, finally victims and survivors can
see some sort of accountability that it got this far.
And yes, it'll be very graphic in court, but it's
about time the public. Here's the truths and the realities
of what goes on with sex trafficking. We have to
(05:13):
all get on board. They are all waiting, and not
only victims and survivors. I guess alleged I'm supposed to
say of this criminal. I guess I'm supposed to say alleged,
but I'm saying criminal. We here in New York City.
I can't tell you the messages I am receiving. This
is finally happening. We've been waiting eight months, powerful man.
There is no public image, there are no brand deals.
(05:33):
He crossed the wrong people, and Dirty Diddy is done.
Now it's time for the public to weigh in. And
you know what, this is going.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
Down down down.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
This is the state's case to screw up.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
They have got witnesses, they have got freak off videos.
What Sean Combs has is a very powerful and charismatic
presence in the courtroom, and he's got a fleet of
some of the best lawyers in the country.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Number One, he turns down a plea deal.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
This literally as the jury is filing in, drinking in.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Shawn Combs and all of his lawyers.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
This after another failed bid to delay the trial.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Listen Sean Ditty.
Speaker 9 (06:17):
Combs loses his bid to delay trial and jury selection
begins as celebrities did. He once bumped arms with Gather
from the met Gala. Judge Arun Supermanian has allowed Combs
to ditch his prison clothes for the proceedings where prosecutors
plan to prove to a jury. Combs used his many
business enterprises to facilitate free COFs featuring male prostitutes and
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women coerced into the performance. Opening statements are expected on
May twelfth.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Straight back to the courthouse.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Standing there with us, Lauren Connlin, Lauren, how long do
we believe jury selection will take?
Speaker 5 (06:49):
Jury selection is supposed to take a week.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Nancy, But I think it's going to be pretty difficult here.
I mean, Diddy is pretty well known in New York City.
If you remember, he was actually once given the key
to New York City by the mayor. But as far
as the questionnaire goes for the jury, there have been
filings that said that the potential jurors will be asked
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how they feel about multiple sex partners, how they feel
about hip hop artists and the hip hop industry.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
They will be asked about if they have had.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Any experience being sexually assaulted, and this will actually be
written or verbal depending on what the jury purfers. And
Sean Holmes will be present for all of that questioning.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, the questions are very invasive on the jury, Lauren,
what does Diddy look like?
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Well, Diddy walked in wearing a dark crew neck sweater
and a dress shirt.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
He was not wearing a tie.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
We know that he had a big win where he
was granted the ability to wear his own clothes. He's
a fashionable guy. He will be able to switch up, yes,
between five dress shirts, by sweaters, by socks, and two
pairs of shoes without laces. And yeah, I'm thinking here,
I mean, he must be pretty crushing. I see the
met Galla tonight, his friend Lebron James ho shairing it
(08:09):
and he's stuck in federal courts.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
You know what, Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us. Renow Psycho
Analy's joining us out of la author of deal Breaker.
You can see her now on Peacock, Doctor Bethany. That
has got to her because there is Sean Combs in
a federal courtroom, you know, dressed up, all these jurrors
coming in to take a look at him and his
(08:33):
fleet of lawyers. While across town the met Gala is
going on, and he has always been a star there.
Remember all the outfits. Oh there he is laying on
the steps. Okay, capes, walking canes, dripping in jewelry.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Yeah, there we go. The met Gala is his thing. Now,
see it's his thing.
Speaker 10 (08:56):
You know that necklace he's wearing right there that looks
like it's about an eighty carrot diamond cross necklace. I
think he's probably experiencing what we would say in my
field a narcissistic injury, meaning in his world he's king.
That's why he wears the king's crown. So the fact
(09:16):
that he's in a cell with five outsets available to
him is going to be very injurious. P Diddy thinks
he's right. He still thinks he's the ring leader of
the circus of filth and that everybody's.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Going to follow along.
Speaker 10 (09:30):
And that's why he won't take a plea because with
people like p Ditty, they are so aggressively certain that
their position is correct that they don't back down. In fact,
they really take on the fight. You would think P.
Ditty would go into court and try to manipulate by
t taking the plea, but he's not going to do that.
(09:51):
He's not going to would be manipulative. He's going to
insist that he is right and that everybody should conform
to him. He's probably doing that with his attorneys right now. Well,
and that's going to make this trial fascinating.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
You know, Eric Fattas, that was always a moment for
me in the courtroom when.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
The jurors to being paneled. I don't mean the twelve
on the Pettit jury. I mean the huge panel from
which you select the Pettit jury of twelve.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
That was always a moment.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
If I were to have been nervous in courtroom, that
would have been that that moment, because that's something you
cannot plan for, that's something you cannot anticipate. You don't
know the jurors' names or who they are before that moment.
I would know who all my witnesses were going to be.
I would know down to the question what they were
(10:41):
going to say.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I need the evidence. I was bringing it in. It
was all marked, ready to go.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
I was waiting, waiting to commence trial, completely prepared.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
The one thing you cannot prepare for is the jury.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Who those jurrrs are, and they're going to need at
least two hundred jars just to start to whittle it
down to twelve. You don't know where they're from, what
their experiences are, who they are, You've never seen them before.
It's like shaking up a pot and picking out a number.
That's what the jury selection process is. You have no
way to prepare for that. What about it, Faddus, Yeah, I.
Speaker 7 (11:18):
Mean, look, you can only make one first impression, right,
and so the jury's coming in that they're serving the courtroom,
they're looking at the prosecutors, the judge, but at some
point they're going to be laser focused on Diddy. What
is he wearing, What is his demeanor like, how is
he presenting? What are his facial expressions, What are his
reactions to what the prosecutors saying, what the defense is saying,
what the judges, saying, all of those things are going
(11:40):
to be closely surveilled by these potential jurors as they're
getting acquainted with the court group process and the participants
there in.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace, we are getting reports from
the courtroom. Lauren Conlin, Lauren joining us at the courthouse.
Seawn Kime's dressed in the navy pullover?
Speaker 3 (12:08):
What what?
Speaker 1 (12:10):
What is he going for? The Harvard freshman look? A
Navy pullover?
Speaker 3 (12:14):
My rear end.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
I've never seen him in a pullover in my life.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
I mean, I saw the.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Menendez brothers trying to pull that off in court. Didn't work.
But Sean comes mister style and a pullover.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
What well, Nancy, as you know, what you wear as
a defendant in court is really important. You said it
yourself the Menendez brothers. I mean, he wants to create
this image in the courthouse for the jurors that he's
this innocent guy. His only crime, Nancy, as he said,
is being a swinger, and that's what he wants to
get across. He is not this sexual devian, he is
(12:53):
not this criminal mastermind. He's just a guy that engages
in a casual sex.
Speaker 11 (13:00):
Did he dressed like a college freshman. As crowds lining
the block to get into the courtroom, US Marshalls and
NYPD set up barricades to control flow of people.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
The shots you're seeing right now are of Sean Combs
aka Ditty aka Puff aka Puff Daddy aka Love It
goes On and on. Are of him at the mat Gala.
There he is getting his star on the Walk of Fame.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
There.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Now we're back at the met Gala, and there he
is with Cassie Ventia. I call her victim number one.
And that is all going down across town. As Diddy
is facing looking all his potential jurors eye to eye,
wonder what they're thinking. Guarantee this he is not blinged
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out in the courtroom. He's trying to look like a
Harvard freshman. Let's see if that works. But what are
the jurors thinking?
Speaker 11 (13:57):
Take a listen, Sean Ditty Combs defense lawyers insist he
isn't a rapist but a swinger. Attorney Mark Agnifilo tells
the court Comb simply engaged in a swinger lifestyle, seeing
nothing wrong with his behavior because it's common. Agnifilo asserts
it's so common that many people find the lifestyle appropriate.
In a March filing, lawyer Alexandra Shapiro wrote, prosecutors always
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seem to conclude that the sex lives of black men
are bad enough to deserve punishment.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
What, okay, don't hate me because I'm a swinger. A swinger,
that's not at all what this case is about.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Number one.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Most of the jurors are not gonna like the idea
of swinging number one, which is multiple sex partners by agreement.
But that said, let's just take a look at what
I think will probably be states Exhibit number two.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
After the free cough video. This is from our friends
at CNN. Let's just watch it in full. What now?
This is part of being in a.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Consensual qu swinging relationship. Consentual out Okay, you think Cassie Ventira, Oh,
consented to that man? It's like he's working. Uh, he's
out for the Boca Junior Soccer Club. That was one
kick and it was right to her vital organs. Now,
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according to reports, this is Cassie Ventior, his so called
consensual sex partner, trying to flee a multi day free
cough where the women are drugged, completely slathered in baby
oil and then raped on video. No wonder she was running. Okay,
there's petulant Diddy. Yeah he's not happy. Ow okay, there
(15:43):
goes about a two thousand dollars vase right there in
the Intercontinental. Now, one of the trial ploys is that
CNN doctored the tape. Really, that's the best you've got,
Brian Steele and Agnafello. That CNN one of the most
trusted names in the news business.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
That sounds like an ad Oh it is doctored the tape.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Well, according to sources, prosecutors have gotten the full and
unedited tape to play to the jury.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
So be careful. What you wish Seawan comes for, you
will surely get it.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
You don't want the edited tape where CNN do it
want to play thirty minutes of you chasing Cassie up
and down the hall. The jury can watch the entire
unedited tape.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
I wonder what's going to be on that.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
And to suggest that CNN or anybody else doctor the evidence,
you are really at the bottom of the barrel. I
would not say that in front of the jury, but hey,
you know what, go ahead, let's talk about swinging to
doctor Bethany Marshall joining us psychoanalyst out of la at
doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany explain that whole
(16:54):
thing as you know, you know how I feel, open marriage,
open casket.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
But that's just me.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
I have had that mate into a T shirt which
are wear on my anniversary. But swinging, doctor Bethany, how's
injury going to react to that?
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Well?
Speaker 10 (17:10):
I think juries are pretty mature and they can understand
what swinging is.
Speaker 12 (17:13):
Swinging is when.
Speaker 10 (17:14):
A couple opens up the relationship to a third party.
And you know, swingers play by very specific rules. They're
not cheating on each other, they're not going out behind
each other's backs. Typically one couple hooks up with an
individual or they hook up with another couple. So it's
very it's very sedate in some ways, it's very consensual.
(17:34):
And I do say multi partner family configurations in my
office where they may be maybe four or five.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
People is a part of a couple.
Speaker 10 (17:42):
They are so kind, they are so polite.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Could you repeat that what you have cludis in your
office and they not heard the words four or five?
Speaker 10 (17:49):
What four or five members of the romantic configuration where
they all respect each.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Other shaving configuration.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
How's injury going to respons that's true, four or five
members of a sex configuration, that's right?
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Is that what you just said? That is exactly what
I said. And what's interesting. I don't care.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
But when women wake up having been drugged and their
vaginas and their anises hurt, I mean, Robert Crispin joining me,
it's just address what doctor Bethany just said. I'm not
saying she's wrong, and I don't care. I don't care
what anybody else does. Cats and dogs sleeping together, I
don't care. But when women wake up after being looted,
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quay looted, ruthied, and their private parts are hurting and bleeding,
and then later on Crispin, they find out that there's
a video of them where their limbs have been arranged
to get a better angle as they are raped, that
is what the state is talking about. They're not talking
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about whatever that was that doctor Bethany just said.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
Yeah, I think you're going Nancy with that angle, because
if they can get it out to the jury that
a lot of these people are swingers, then that's going
to kind of dull down the freak offs, because the
freakoffs of a bunch of people having sex at the
same time. And if you can buy one or two
jurors and tell them that this was nothing more than
just swinging, then they may go, all right, so it's freakoffs.
(19:27):
Is a bunch of people who like to be with
other sex partners? Yeah, okay, I don't have a problem
because I do it. No, not mean, but they might
go I do it?
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Okay, put him on. Wait wait, so wait a minute,
Wait a minute, wait, wait, wait, hold on, Slow down, Nelly.
You're saying the jury is going to react to this.
How I mean, think about the odds. Okay, the Vegas odds.
You were in vice, you can relate to that before
you were in homicide and DOJ and your illustrious career
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the odds. How many swingers do you think you're going
to get on this jury? You might get a couple
of people that have cheated and don't want anybody to
find out. That chance that they're going to answer that
and a ger our questionnaire. Hgaln that is not going
to be put in the record. Oh yeah, I cheated
my wife all the time, so I don't care what
did he does. That's not going to happen So Crispin,
(20:18):
let's just look at the odds. How many people do
you think are going to be on a jury of
twelve with let's say four maybe six alternates that are swingers.
As doctor Bethany acts like, yeah, that happens all the time,
guess what, Bethany. Maybe in la it happens all the time,
but I don't think across the country it happens all
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the time.
Speaker 6 (20:40):
There are a larger group of people in all our
neighborhoods that are swingers, and I think that they had no.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Where do you live?
Speaker 1 (20:49):
I mean, I'm not living in a monastery, and I
don't really know what my neighbors are doing unless my
cat gets in their yard.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
But how would you you know?
Speaker 6 (20:59):
You know what, We've worked in our time, and there's
just those type of crowd that's out there. And this
is unless you can think of another way. I can't.
This is one way to dispel the free colls and
to explain the free colls and take the bite away
from the jury that these were drug fueled rapes. If
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you can get someone on a jury, listen only takes one.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Maybe if I get two, how do you live with yourself?
Spewing that these were raped. You know what, I don't
under say it. Lynn Shaw is going to say it
for me.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Lynnshaw, can you address Crispin, because if you start listening
to Crispin and Fattest, you start thinking, oh, hey, maybe
it is more normal than I think. Hey, I don't
care if it's normal, but don't care what other people do.
What I care about is a violation of the law.
What I care about is a violent felony. And I
find it very hard to believe that kicking Cassi Ventira
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in the stomach look like her kidney, hitting her in
the head, and literally dragging her like a caveman down
the hall back to.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
A freak cough.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
If it was so consensual, why was she being literally
dragged back to it?
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Crispin.
Speaker 8 (22:12):
I'm ashamed of you saying this because I've worked in entertainment.
I'm in the middle of New York City. I was
just part of being picked for a jury, and I
have to tell you here in New York I found
the other people rather conservative. Working in entertainment and being
around the music business. This really is not normal behavior.
If he wants to call himself this dirty diddy, bad
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boy pullover sweater you know, a choir boy. He would
have come out in the beginning saying I'm a swinger.
All you have to do is look at the Cassie
Ventura tape. That's what the public will see, That's what
the jury will see, and they will hold him accountable.
There's been too much out in the press, out in
the world about this guy. They're going to look at
him and say he's rich, he's entitled. Cassie Ventura, That's
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what they're going to look at. They don't care about
a pullover sweater. They don't care about swinging. It's done
going down. Everybody swinging.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
What did doctor Bethany say, consensual sex configurations of multiple partners? Okay,
then if everything is so consensual, why did Diddy do this?
Speaker 13 (23:18):
It's so difficult to reflect on the darkest times in
your life.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Sometimes you gotta do that.
Speaker 11 (23:27):
I was fuck up.
Speaker 13 (23:30):
I mean, I hit rock bottom, But I make no excuses.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
My behavior on that video is inexcusable.
Speaker 13 (23:39):
I take full responsibility for my actions in that video.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Disgusted.
Speaker 13 (23:46):
I was disgusted then when I did it.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
I'm disgusting now. I went and I sought out professional help.
Speaker 13 (23:56):
Now to go into therapy I'm going to rehab. Had
to ask God for his mercy and grace. I'm so sorry,
but I'm committed to be a better man usin every day.
(24:19):
I'm not asking for forgiveness. I'm truly sorry.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
That was from Diddy's official Instagram page.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Can we just address what he just said?
Speaker 1 (24:32):
And I hope that that has been marked as the
states exhibit the apology because number one panel, listen up,
I can't wait to hear your response on this.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
He says that was his quote darkest time. No it's not.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
It is so by far not your darkest time, the
time that you beat just one woman.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Cassie Ventura.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Oh no, no, no, You've got a fleet of women
claiming you did that, and a lot worse. He says,
I'm discussed, not half as disgusted as I am, or
not half as disgusted as how this.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Jury's gonna feel.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
And he's saying, I take full responsibility for what I did,
Really full responsibility. Then why aren't you pleading guilty?
Speaker 3 (25:15):
And you know it goes on and on.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
He says he is going to go to rehab. Rehab.
I never heard that Diddy went to rehab. Is one
person sitting on this panel that has ever heard that
Sean Combs went to rehab.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
I can't wait to hear this. He goes on and on.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Jury selections starting right now. He says he wants mercy
and grace. You know what, you can get mercy and
grace behind bars. You don't have to be walking free
to get mercy and grace. Straight out to Lauren Collin
joining us at the courthouse, Lauren, tell me about the
scene this morning when everyone was trying to get into
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the courthouse.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
Yes, Nancy, it was crazy.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
There were lines around the courthouse, incredibly crowded, lots of
police presence with barricades trying to control the flow of
people and the flow of press trying to get in
to report or observe on the jury selection.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
I say, one beefy looking guy that's walking around behind you.
He's dressed in all gray. He looks like he's packing.
From what I can tell from here, he looks like
a fed He just walked out of range of your camera.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
So I guess the courthouse is flanked with law enforcement.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Yes, it's flanked with law enforcement, as it should be.
Like I said, when I was here earlier, there was
people going crazy walking out of the courthouse, I thought
they had weapons. I thought they were going to do
something violent, so'm I was very thankful that there was
lots of police presence here.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Now we understand that there is a new defense on
the horizon. But before we get to that, to doctor
Bethany Marshall, you heard that apology video.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
How's that going to play?
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Certainly they're going to bring it in because if everything
that happened with Cassie Ventiro, who is one of the
state's strongest witnesses and one of the few victims that
wants her name in open court. The other victims are
going by victim two, victim three, she's going by her name.
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The fact that he says it's all consensual, Then what
about that apology video? Did you get all that I'm
disgusted with myself? Not have as disgusted as I am.
This is my darkest moment. No, no it's not. I
take full responsibility. Then why not plea I'm going to
go to rehab. No, no, it's too late for a rehab.
Plus he never went what about what he was saying
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that apology video.
Speaker 10 (27:41):
I love when he says I'm going to go to
therapy like he couldn't even pronounce the word. I'm like, yikes,
I hope he's not a patient coming into my office anyway.
What all of your listeners are going to recognize here
is the honeymoon phase of the cycle of abuse. Right
the man batters the woman, the woman tries to get away,
then he becomes remorseful, says he's going to do better,
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that he's going to go to rehab, and then as
as soon as the woman comes back again, then the
perpetrator gains acendency and power over the woman again. It
is a cycle that repeats endlessly. And as I was
looking at his face right now, I thought of all
the women, women who are viewers who might be on
the jury, maybe jurors who have daughters or sons who
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have been battered, and they have seen that face, they
have seen that person say, and all the abusers say
in all sincerity, I'm sorry, I'm going to get help.
I did not mean to do it, and they look
at the person and think, I know you're lying, because
you're just going to do it all over again. Jurors
aren't stupid, They're going to see right through this.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Joining us Eric Fattus high profile lawyer out of LA
but practices in multiple jurisdictions. Okay, Faddest, I guess you
want in on the apology video, Nancy.
Speaker 7 (28:56):
There's something buried in there that the ultimato rings pretty
hall for most. But buried in there when he's talking
about hitting rock bottom, seeking professional help, going to rehab,
what he could be doing is setting himself up for
what's called a diminish mental capacity defense, essentially arguing that, hey,
I was so whacked out of my mind on whatever
that I wasn't able to form the mental state to
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commit this crime, and therefore, ju or you got to
give me a break.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
At any point in that apology video, did you hear
him say one word about his mental state? You're just
making that up.
Speaker 7 (29:29):
What I'm saying is that if he's talking about being
overly intoxicated on substances that can't be used in trial.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Rehab, did he Jackie, did he say overly intoxicated in
that video? Did he say one thing about drugs or alcohol?
Did Sidney Sumner joining me Crimeonline dot Com and Crime
Stories investigative reporter Sydney, We have watched that apology video,
you and I fifty times. I don't hear anything about
I was.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Drunk or I was high. I didn't hear anything like that, No, ma'am,
not at all.
Speaker 14 (30:02):
Combs does not mention having some kind of diminished mental
capacity that caused him to attack his then girlfriend.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
His defense has come out and said.
Speaker 15 (30:13):
You know, this is a year long relationship that had
plenty of issues, and this was simply an argument that
got a little bit out of control.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
A little bit.
Speaker 14 (30:25):
That doesn't feel like a little bit to me. Throwing
a base somebody that you love or claimed to love
does not feel like a little bit of an argument
that got out of hand.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
So no, he doesn't mention.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
That he was drunk or high.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Well got me, Sidney is the kidney punch? The kidney kick?
Did you see him kick or write the kidney?
Speaker 14 (30:45):
It's ridiculous, Nancy. No amount of violence should ever be
tolerated in a relationship.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Much less one like this.
Speaker 14 (30:52):
You are a celebrity, you should be held to a
higher standard. And it seems like Combs only used his
wealth and power to cover up bad behavior.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
I'm going to address Eric Fattis's diminished capacity argument in
just a moment, but needless to say, Sean Combs runs
a billion dollar empire that he has built from scratch,
according to prosecutors, by violence, threats, beatings, and it goes
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on and on. That's how he amassed a billion dollar fortune,
according to prosecutors. But what he's saying in that apology video,
Lynn Shaw joining us from Lyn's Warriors, what do.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
You make of it?
Speaker 1 (31:36):
I pray that he brings up that the Cassie incident.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
That's certainly putting perfume on.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
The pig, the beating, the aggravated assault with hands and
feet as the deadly weapon. I want them to say
that's consensual, so then the state can bring on that
apology video.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
If he didn't do it, why is the apology land.
Speaker 8 (32:00):
First of all, that wasn't an apology. That was save me,
Save me, invoking God and I'm at my lowest point.
First of all, we have to remember physical violence is
never accepted in any kind of relationship. Second of all,
I never heard him say at all, and that apology
as I put air quotes around that I am sorry, Cassie,
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I'll do better. He never addressed her by name. I
don't even understand. That's a piece of garbage.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Throw it out.
Speaker 8 (32:28):
I maintain victim after victim had stories of abuse like.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
This, You know what, He's just going down.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
That's all I can say. It's done.
Speaker 8 (32:36):
Dirty Diddy is done.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 11 (32:51):
Investigators taking a second look into the nineteen ninety nine
Club New York shooting based on allegations Combs bragged about
bribing witnesses and jurorsy trial, sharing that he pulled the triggers,
not Jamal Shine Barrow. Barrow served nine years in prison
for opening fire and injuring three while I was celebrating
a new record deal with Combs and his girlfriend Jennifer Lopez.
The lawsuit a ledges. Combs shared that Lopez carried the
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gun and passed it to him during the altercation. Victim
Natanya Rubin, has also long insisted that Comb shot her,
not Barrow. Lopez was never charged in the shooting, and
Combs was acquitted of four counts criminal possession of a
weapon and bribery.
Speaker 12 (33:28):
The same way you're sure that I have on a
green shirt, I'm certain that he shot me.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
Now, was he aiming at me?
Speaker 12 (33:33):
Was I the object of his fire? Absolutely not. I
should not have been, because I didn't do anything to him.
I watched them both fire their guns. I watched them
I got hit right here in my nose, in between
my eyes, which means I'm facing directly at you.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
That victim spaking, and that is from the art of dialogue. Now,
rumors swirling that Jennifer Lopez will be called into court
on that case. HU showing a propensity for violence and
escaping justice. We're waiting to find out if that's going
to happen. But Fattus actually, although he completely fabricated it
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from whole cloth, brought up a defense that we believe
will be used at trial, although it did not rear
its ugly head in the apology video listen.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Diddy's defense may now be arguing he did not have
the mental capacity to commit the alleged crimes.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
The lawyer's plan to put psychiatrist doctor.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Ely Awen on the stand to explain that, due to
drug and alcohol use, Sean Combs did not have the
capacity to form the men's rea required to commit the
alleged offenses, in other words, a guilty mind. Prosecutors are
fighting to block the testimony, claiming the rap mogul needed
to file prior notice of his intent to argue a
mental disease or defect bearing on the issue of guilt.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Eric Fattus, this is going to be difficult. It is
for all lawyers, But I'd like a yes no answer.
Isn't it true that voluntary use of drugs or alcohol
is never a defense?
Speaker 7 (35:04):
No, Nancy, I don't believe that's accurate. So voluntary intoxication
can potentially be a defense for he called specific intent
crimes crime Church three, in this case, transporting someone across
state lines with the intent, the specific intent that they
engage in prostitution. That is specific intent crime for which
voluntary intoxication could be applicable. The defense is going to
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argue that he did not have a lucid awareness of
exactly what was going on and what he was.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Doing fifty miles a minute.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Hold on, let's just break down what you just said
for real. Okay, you said that when Shawn comes was
making phone calls and texting all his contacts, you mean
the sex workers in other states that he was flying in,
he was too drawn or high to know what he
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was doing.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Is That's what that means what you just said.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
So what you're saying, you're going to argue that in
front of a jury diminished capacity when he's calling all
his friends, well employees, going, hey, could you get me
those prostitutes from New York that I really like and
fly them into la or fly them into Florida. You
think that that could be done while you're a higher drunk.
Speaker 7 (36:22):
The law requires a loosent awareness and understanding of what
you're doing, the facts and circumstances surrounded your actions, and
defense can certainly argue to this jury that what he was.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Doing when he was dialing his phone, Okay, hold on, argument,
what about the rapes and the Shawncombe sitting back like
an Oscar winning director going could you move her left
leg over and put her right arm above her head
so we can get a better angle of the rape?
(36:55):
Are you suggesting that he was high or drunk and
didn't know what he was saying?
Speaker 7 (37:00):
I think the prosecution can present a donal evidence that
he did know what was going on. But as to
the question of whether he can present this kind of
an argument to the jury, I think on some of
these charges, on some of these allegations, k.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
I hear something, it's a bell tolling? Okay, what about that?
What about of course fatus is totally ignoring a huge
and vast body of law that says voluntary use of
drugs or alcohol is not a defense. Okay, that said Lynnshaw,
jump in Land jump in.
Speaker 8 (37:33):
I'm jumping out of my seat here trying to maintain
my control. I mean, I'm not a lawyer. I don't
play one on TV. We need the video evidence. What
are you talking about? This was a complicit operation. I
want to know about all the other people involved. Who
are actually carrying out his dirty ditty deeds. Who was phoning,
who was making the travel arrangements, the hotels, the car services,
who was securing the drugs, the loop everything we've talked
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about for months about Dirty Diddy. This was a sex
trafficking operation across state lines. If they can stick with that,
we're going to have an outcome that is positive for
all sex trafficking survivors and victims. I maintain he is
going down. There is no defense here. Again, I'm not
a lawyer either, but you know what, video evidence. Too
many people talking about the same way they were treated, drugs,
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all this stuff going on. Why though, I have to
leave you with this, Why was this allowed? Who are
the other complicit players? How did he get away with
this for so long. He is done, Dirty Diddy down.
And it begins today.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
With lines wrapped around the courthouse, barricades, law enforcement trying
to keep the public out, everyone trying to get into
the courtroom to see Sean Combs on day one of
his trial. This is jury selection straight to the courthouse,
standing by Lauren Colin.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
Co host Primetime Crime on YouTube. Lauren, what about JERRR?
Number two?
Speaker 1 (38:52):
That certainly certainly started off with a bang ooh.
Speaker 5 (38:55):
Nancy, you're number two. This is really interesting.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
Number two had a family member who had experienced domestic violence,
but actually said that this would not affect them being
fair and impartial. They also were asked about public figures
like Michael B. Jordan and Mike Myers, and they also
said their familiarity with these public figures would not affect
them being impartial.
Speaker 5 (39:19):
The law deer started.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
About an hour and a half after did he arrived,
which is.
Speaker 5 (39:24):
Around nine am. So yeah, they're getting things done. Nancy
joining me.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Private investigator Robert Crispin, former Federal Task Force officer usdj
DEA and Miami Field Division now Crispin Investigations dot Com. Robert,
you also investigated a lot of vice cases. I just
don't think a jury is going to buy the swinger
aspect or the fact the example that Fatus gave I
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was too drunk to know what I was doing, because
there are so many counts. I mean, you've heard it before.
What how was dropped?
Speaker 3 (40:00):
What happened? Yeah, that's not a defense obviously.
Speaker 6 (40:03):
You know your lawyers will tell you that. You know.
In his video, if I can go back to that
for just one quick minute, he refers back to God
a lot. And I tell you, as an investigator investigating
a lot of people that were currently under investigation, not
in custody, yet you watch their behavior and if they're
a prime suspect, there is a pattern. And I think
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the doctor will tell you, and other investigators will tell
you that guilty people or people believe to be guilty
always immediately turned to God. They start going to church
all the time, they start talking about God. That is,
to an investigator, one of the signs that your target
is probably guilty or pretty dark close to being guilty,
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that God fearing bringing them into their interviews where there's
no pattern that we know of. Did he going to
church every Sunday? We're talking about God, but in this
video he refers to it and more than one occasion.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
We wait as jury selection unfolds. It's expected to take
multiple days, very long days in the courtroom.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Let's see how Shawn Combs holds up under jury's selection,
looking each juror in the face as they answer questions about.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Him Sean Combs.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
The trial set to start May twelve, but in actuality
it started today.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend.
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. It is doomsday for Didty.
That's right, the trial starting today. I'm Nancy Grace. This
is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Did He's big day in court looms as a last
minute plea deal from prosecutors is turned down by the
rapper and jury selections started today, the same day as
Diddy's old celebrity friends are set to gather on the
luxurious Fifth Avenue Costume Institute for the met galap.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Doomsday for Didy.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
The trial starting now, jury selection underway this as Sean
comes turns down a plea deal this morning, comes in
the courtroom flanked by a pailanx of lawyers. That's always
a bad look in front of a jury because they're.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Like, WHOA you have that many lawyers? You need a
fleet of lawyers to get your rear out of a sling.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
WHOA joining me in All star panel, But let's go
straight to the court house. Standing by is Lauren Conlin. Lauren,
thank you for being with us. Co host Primetime Crime
on YouTube. Lauren, what's happening? Start at the beginning this
morning by Nancy.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Yes, I am outside five hundred Pearl Street, the very
courthouse where Diddy will be tried on five different federal
accounts of sex trafficking.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
It was a.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Scene out here, people coming out of the courthouse screaming.
We didn't really know what was going on, but there
is a lot of press out here, a lot of
police presence, and jury's election is expected to last about
a week.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
It's the image to Robert Crispin on the case from
the get go, private investigator, former DEA, former vice former
homicide Federal Task Force officer, US Department of Justice. Robert,
it's always a bad look when the jury comes in
and now this is the impaneling jury. This is sixty
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to one hundred people. They're gonna whittle down to twelve jurrars.
But when they look over at the defense and he's
got a fleet an army of lawyers that they're like,
it takes that many lawyers to get your rear end out.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Of the sling. You've gotten it into bad look.
Speaker 6 (02:16):
Yeah, it's going to be pounded into their head. You know,
you're innocent until proven guilty.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
But they're going to look up and they.
Speaker 6 (02:22):
Be like, wow, that's a lot of lawyers.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
What is going on here?
Speaker 7 (02:26):
What am I going to learn.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
You know you're taking a look at Shawn Combs in
some of his finery. I can't wait to hear how
he dudes up in court again, joining me an all
star panel. This on the eve of Shawn Comes rejecting
a plea deal.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
At his last pre trial hearing, prosecutors revealed that Seawan
Diddycombs had one last chance to avoid trial, but rejected
a plea deal. Federal prosecutor Madison Schmeiser disclosed that the
deal was offered, but remained secretive about the terms. Instead,
jury will be called to hear at least three weeks
of graphic witness testimony regarding year's worth of beatings, drug
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fueled coercive sex marathons, and multiple rapes.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Joining US high profile lawyer Eric Fattus, TV Legal analyst
founding partner Varner Fattus Elite Legal, rejecting a plea deal.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
You know what I think is behind that.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I think he could not admit that what he did
was wrong. That he is guilty, no matter how sweet
the deal, unless it was straight probation.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Sean Comes is not.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Going to take a deal, Eric Fattus, even though it
may be in his best interest.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
He just shot himself in the foot.
Speaker 7 (03:42):
Well, Nancy, you know, as you know, he's proclaimed his
innocence from the beginning, and a deal would likely involve
years in prison. I would think, you know, he's not
the youngest guy in the world, and so if he
did take a plea deal, that could be a death
sentence for him professionally. You know, he has all of
these tracks and brand deals and that kind of thing,
or at least he had them, and to try to
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have some semblance of the possibility of getting those later,
he would need to prevail at this priss and a
plea deal would not allow for them.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yeah, you know what, the death now is ringing doomsday
for Diddy. You're saying that if he pled guilty that
would ruin his what public persona?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Are you kidding me? That's ruined? What what are you
talking about?
Speaker 1 (04:27):
He's already been charged under multi count federal indictment of drugging.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Straight out to Lynn Shaw joining me, founder executive director
Lyn's Warriors, dedicated to ending sex violence on girls and women.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
His public image, Hey, do we.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Have that picture of Shawn Comes wearing a crown at
one of his free coughs. What public image, Lynn Shaw,
There is no public image.
Speaker 8 (04:52):
Dirty Dinny is going down. We are so happy and
grateful for today because finally, finally victims and survivors can
see some sort of accountability that it got this far.
And yes, it'll be very graphic in court, but it's
about time the public. Here's the truths and the realities
of what goes on with sex trafficking. We have to
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all get on board. They are all waiting, and not
only victims and survivors. I guess alleged I'm supposed to
say of this criminal. I guess I'm supposed to say alleged,
but I'm saying criminal. We here in New York City.
I can't tell you the messages I am receiving. This
is finally happening. We've been waiting eight months, powerful man.
There is no public image, there are no brand deals.
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He crossed the wrong people, and Dirty Diddy is done.
Now it's time for the public to weigh in. And
you know what, this is going.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
Down down down.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
This is the state's case to screw up.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
They have got witnesses, they have got freak off videos.
What Sean Combs has is a very powerful and charismatic
presence in the courtroom, and he's got a fleet of
some of the best lawyers in the country.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Number One, he turns down a plea deal.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
This literally as the jury is filing in, drinking in.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Shawn Combs and all of his lawyers.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
This after another failed bid to delay the trial.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Listen Sean Ditty.
Speaker 9 (06:17):
Combs loses his bid to delay trial and jury selection
begins as celebrities did. He once bumped arms with Gather
from the met Gala. Judge Arun Supermanian has allowed Combs
to ditch his prison clothes for the proceedings where prosecutors
plan to prove to a jury. Combs used his many
business enterprises to facilitate free COFs featuring male prostitutes and
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women coerced into the performance. Opening statements are expected on
May twelfth.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Straight back to the courthouse.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Standing there with us, Lauren Connlin, Lauren, how long do
we believe jury selection will take?
Speaker 5 (06:49):
Jury selection is supposed to take a week.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Nancy, But I think it's going to be pretty difficult here.
I mean, Diddy is pretty well known in New York City.
If you remember, he was actually once given the key
to New York City by the mayor. But as far
as the questionnaire goes for the jury, there have been
filings that said that the potential jurors will be asked
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how they feel about multiple sex partners, how they feel
about hip hop artists and the hip hop industry.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
They will be asked about if they have had.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Any experience being sexually assaulted, and this will actually be
written or verbal depending on what the jury purfers. And
Sean Holmes will be present for all of that questioning.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, the questions are very invasive on the jury, Lauren,
what does Diddy look like?
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Well, Diddy walked in wearing a dark crew neck sweater
and a dress shirt.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
He was not wearing a tie.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
We know that he had a big win where he
was granted the ability to wear his own clothes. He's
a fashionable guy. He will be able to switch up, yes,
between five dress shirts, by sweaters, by socks, and two
pairs of shoes without laces. And yeah, I'm thinking here,
I mean, he must be pretty crushing. I see the
met Galla tonight, his friend Lebron James ho shairing it
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and he's stuck in federal courts.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
You know what, Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us. Renow Psycho
Analy's joining us out of la author of deal Breaker.
You can see her now on Peacock, Doctor Bethany. That
has got to her because there is Sean Combs in
a federal courtroom, you know, dressed up, all these jurrors
coming in to take a look at him and his
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fleet of lawyers. While across town the met Gala is
going on, and he has always been a star there.
Remember all the outfits. Oh there he is laying on
the steps. Okay, capes, walking canes, dripping in jewelry.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Yeah, there we go. The met Gala is his thing. Now,
see it's his thing.
Speaker 10 (08:56):
You know that necklace he's wearing right there that looks
like it's about an eighty carrot diamond cross necklace. I
think he's probably experiencing what we would say in my
field a narcissistic injury, meaning in his world he's king.
That's why he wears the king's crown. So the fact
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that he's in a cell with five outsets available to
him is going to be very injurious. P Diddy thinks
he's right. He still thinks he's the ring leader of
the circus of filth and that everybody's.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Going to follow along.
Speaker 10 (09:30):
And that's why he won't take a plea because with
people like p Ditty, they are so aggressively certain that
their position is correct that they don't back down. In fact,
they really take on the fight. You would think P.
Ditty would go into court and try to manipulate by
t taking the plea, but he's not going to do that.
(09:51):
He's not going to would be manipulative. He's going to
insist that he is right and that everybody should conform
to him. He's probably doing that with his attorneys right now. Well,
and that's going to make this trial fascinating.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
You know, Eric Fattas, that was always a moment for
me in the courtroom when.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
The jurors to being paneled. I don't mean the twelve
on the Pettit jury. I mean the huge panel from
which you select the Pettit jury of twelve.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
That was always a moment.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
If I were to have been nervous in courtroom, that
would have been that that moment, because that's something you
cannot plan for, that's something you cannot anticipate. You don't
know the jurors' names or who they are before that moment.
I would know who all my witnesses were going to be.
I would know down to the question what they were
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going to say.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I need the evidence. I was bringing it in. It
was all marked, ready to go.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
I was waiting, waiting to commence trial, completely prepared.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
The one thing you cannot prepare for is the jury.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Who those jurrrs are, and they're going to need at
least two hundred jars just to start to whittle it
down to twelve. You don't know where they're from, what
their experiences are, who they are, You've never seen them before.
It's like shaking up a pot and picking out a number.
That's what the jury selection process is. You have no
way to prepare for that. What about it, Faddus, Yeah, I.
Speaker 7 (11:18):
Mean, look, you can only make one first impression, right,
and so the jury's coming in that they're serving the courtroom,
they're looking at the prosecutors, the judge, but at some
point they're going to be laser focused on Diddy. What
is he wearing, What is his demeanor like, how is
he presenting? What are his facial expressions, What are his
reactions to what the prosecutors saying, what the defense is saying,
what the judges, saying, all of those things are going
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to be closely surveilled by these potential jurors as they're
getting acquainted with the court group process and the participants
there in.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace, we are getting reports from
the courtroom. Lauren Conlin, Lauren joining us at the courthouse.
Seawn Kime's dressed in the navy pullover?
Speaker 3 (12:08):
What what?
Speaker 1 (12:10):
What is he going for? The Harvard freshman look? A
Navy pullover?
Speaker 3 (12:14):
My rear end.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
I've never seen him in a pullover in my life.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
I mean, I saw the.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Menendez brothers trying to pull that off in court. Didn't work.
But Sean comes mister style and a pullover.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
What well, Nancy, as you know, what you wear as
a defendant in court is really important. You said it
yourself the Menendez brothers. I mean, he wants to create
this image in the courthouse for the jurors that he's
this innocent guy. His only crime, Nancy, as he said,
is being a swinger, and that's what he wants to
get across. He is not this sexual devian, he is
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not this criminal mastermind. He's just a guy that engages
in a casual sex.
Speaker 11 (13:00):
Did he dressed like a college freshman. As crowds lining
the block to get into the courtroom, US Marshalls and
NYPD set up barricades to control flow of people.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
The shots you're seeing right now are of Sean Combs
aka Ditty aka Puff aka Puff Daddy aka Love It
goes On and on. Are of him at the mat Gala.
There he is getting his star on the Walk of Fame.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
There.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Now we're back at the met Gala, and there he
is with Cassie Ventia. I call her victim number one.
And that is all going down across town. As Diddy
is facing looking all his potential jurors eye to eye,
wonder what they're thinking. Guarantee this he is not blinged
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out in the courtroom. He's trying to look like a
Harvard freshman. Let's see if that works. But what are
the jurors thinking?
Speaker 11 (13:57):
Take a listen, Sean Ditty Combs defense lawyers insist he
isn't a rapist but a swinger. Attorney Mark Agnifilo tells
the court Comb simply engaged in a swinger lifestyle, seeing
nothing wrong with his behavior because it's common. Agnifilo asserts
it's so common that many people find the lifestyle appropriate.
In a March filing, lawyer Alexandra Shapiro wrote, prosecutors always
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seem to conclude that the sex lives of black men
are bad enough to deserve punishment.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
What, okay, don't hate me because I'm a swinger. A swinger,
that's not at all what this case is about.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Number one.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Most of the jurors are not gonna like the idea
of swinging number one, which is multiple sex partners by agreement.
But that said, let's just take a look at what
I think will probably be states Exhibit number two.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
After the free cough video. This is from our friends
at CNN. Let's just watch it in full. What now?
This is part of being in a.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Consensual qu swinging relationship. Consentual out Okay, you think Cassie Ventira, Oh,
consented to that man? It's like he's working. Uh, he's
out for the Boca Junior Soccer Club. That was one
kick and it was right to her vital organs. Now,
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according to reports, this is Cassie Ventior, his so called
consensual sex partner, trying to flee a multi day free
cough where the women are drugged, completely slathered in baby
oil and then raped on video. No wonder she was running. Okay,
there's petulant Diddy. Yeah he's not happy. Ow okay, there
(15:43):
goes about a two thousand dollars vase right there in
the Intercontinental. Now, one of the trial ploys is that
CNN doctored the tape. Really, that's the best you've got,
Brian Steele and Agnafello. That CNN one of the most
trusted names in the news business.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
That sounds like an ad Oh it is doctored the tape.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Well, according to sources, prosecutors have gotten the full and
unedited tape to play to the jury.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
So be careful. What you wish Seawan comes for, you
will surely get it.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
You don't want the edited tape where CNN do it
want to play thirty minutes of you chasing Cassie up
and down the hall. The jury can watch the entire
unedited tape.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
I wonder what's going to be on that.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
And to suggest that CNN or anybody else doctor the evidence,
you are really at the bottom of the barrel. I
would not say that in front of the jury, but hey,
you know what, go ahead, let's talk about swinging to
doctor Bethany Marshall joining us psychoanalyst out of la at
doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany explain that whole
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thing as you know, you know how I feel, open marriage,
open casket.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
But that's just me.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
I have had that mate into a T shirt which
are wear on my anniversary. But swinging, doctor Bethany, how's
injury going to react to that?
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Well?
Speaker 10 (17:10):
I think juries are pretty mature and they can understand
what swinging is.
Speaker 12 (17:13):
Swinging is when.
Speaker 10 (17:14):
A couple opens up the relationship to a third party.
And you know, swingers play by very specific rules. They're
not cheating on each other, they're not going out behind
each other's backs. Typically one couple hooks up with an
individual or they hook up with another couple. So it's
very it's very sedate in some ways, it's very consensual.
(17:34):
And I do say multi partner family configurations in my
office where they may be maybe four or five.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
People is a part of a couple.
Speaker 10 (17:42):
They are so kind, they are so polite.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Could you repeat that what you have cludis in your
office and they not heard the words four or five?
Speaker 10 (17:49):
What four or five members of the romantic configuration where
they all respect each.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Other shaving configuration.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
How's injury going to respons that's true, four or five
members of a sex configuration, that's right?
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Is that what you just said? That is exactly what
I said. And what's interesting. I don't care.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
But when women wake up having been drugged and their
vaginas and their anises hurt, I mean, Robert Crispin joining me,
it's just address what doctor Bethany just said. I'm not
saying she's wrong, and I don't care. I don't care
what anybody else does. Cats and dogs sleeping together, I
don't care. But when women wake up after being looted,
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quay looted, ruthied, and their private parts are hurting and bleeding,
and then later on Crispin, they find out that there's
a video of them where their limbs have been arranged
to get a better angle as they are raped, that
is what the state is talking about. They're not talking
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about whatever that was that doctor Bethany just said.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
Yeah, I think you're going Nancy with that angle, because
if they can get it out to the jury that
a lot of these people are swingers, then that's going
to kind of dull down the freak offs, because the
freakoffs of a bunch of people having sex at the
same time. And if you can buy one or two
jurors and tell them that this was nothing more than
just swinging, then they may go, all right, so it's freakoffs.
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Is a bunch of people who like to be with
other sex partners? Yeah, okay, I don't have a problem
because I do it. No, not mean, but they might
go I do it?
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Okay, put him on. Wait wait, so wait a minute,
Wait a minute, wait, wait, wait, hold on, Slow down, Nelly.
You're saying the jury is going to react to this.
How I mean, think about the odds. Okay, the Vegas odds.
You were in vice, you can relate to that before
you were in homicide and DOJ and your illustrious career
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the odds. How many swingers do you think you're going
to get on this jury? You might get a couple
of people that have cheated and don't want anybody to
find out. That chance that they're going to answer that
and a ger our questionnaire. Hgaln that is not going
to be put in the record. Oh yeah, I cheated
my wife all the time, so I don't care what
did he does. That's not going to happen So Crispin,
(20:18):
let's just look at the odds. How many people do
you think are going to be on a jury of
twelve with let's say four maybe six alternates that are swingers.
As doctor Bethany acts like, yeah, that happens all the time,
guess what, Bethany. Maybe in la it happens all the time,
but I don't think across the country it happens all
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the time.
Speaker 6 (20:40):
There are a larger group of people in all our
neighborhoods that are swingers, and I think that they had no.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Where do you live?
Speaker 1 (20:49):
I mean, I'm not living in a monastery, and I
don't really know what my neighbors are doing unless my
cat gets in their yard.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
But how would you you know?
Speaker 6 (20:59):
You know what, We've worked in our time, and there's
just those type of crowd that's out there. And this
is unless you can think of another way. I can't.
This is one way to dispel the free colls and
to explain the free colls and take the bite away
from the jury that these were drug fueled rapes. If
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you can get someone on a jury, listen only takes one.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Maybe if I get two, how do you live with yourself?
Spewing that these were raped. You know what, I don't
under say it. Lynn Shaw is going to say it
for me.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Lynnshaw, can you address Crispin, because if you start listening
to Crispin and Fattest, you start thinking, oh, hey, maybe
it is more normal than I think. Hey, I don't
care if it's normal, but don't care what other people do.
What I care about is a violation of the law.
What I care about is a violent felony. And I
find it very hard to believe that kicking Cassi Ventira
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in the stomach look like her kidney, hitting her in
the head, and literally dragging her like a caveman down
the hall back to.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
A freak cough.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
If it was so consensual, why was she being literally
dragged back to it?
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Crispin.
Speaker 8 (22:12):
I'm ashamed of you saying this because I've worked in entertainment.
I'm in the middle of New York City. I was
just part of being picked for a jury, and I
have to tell you here in New York I found
the other people rather conservative. Working in entertainment and being
around the music business. This really is not normal behavior.
If he wants to call himself this dirty diddy, bad
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boy pullover sweater you know, a choir boy. He would
have come out in the beginning saying I'm a swinger.
All you have to do is look at the Cassie
Ventura tape. That's what the public will see, That's what
the jury will see, and they will hold him accountable.
There's been too much out in the press, out in
the world about this guy. They're going to look at
him and say he's rich, he's entitled. Cassie Ventura, That's
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what they're going to look at. They don't care about
a pullover sweater. They don't care about swinging. It's done
going down. Everybody swinging.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
What did doctor Bethany say, consensual sex configurations of multiple partners? Okay,
then if everything is so consensual, why did Diddy do this?
Speaker 13 (23:18):
It's so difficult to reflect on the darkest times in
your life.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Sometimes you gotta do that.
Speaker 11 (23:27):
I was fuck up.
Speaker 13 (23:30):
I mean, I hit rock bottom, But I make no excuses.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
My behavior on that video is inexcusable.
Speaker 13 (23:39):
I take full responsibility for my actions in that video.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Disgusted.
Speaker 13 (23:46):
I was disgusted then when I did it.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
I'm disgusting now. I went and I sought out professional help.
Speaker 13 (23:56):
Now to go into therapy I'm going to rehab. Had
to ask God for his mercy and grace. I'm so sorry,
but I'm committed to be a better man usin every day.
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I'm not asking for forgiveness. I'm truly sorry.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
That was from Diddy's official Instagram page.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Can we just address what he just said?
Speaker 1 (24:32):
And I hope that that has been marked as the
states exhibit the apology because number one panel, listen up,
I can't wait to hear your response on this.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
He says that was his quote darkest time. No it's not.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
It is so by far not your darkest time, the
time that you beat just one woman.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Cassie Ventura.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Oh no, no, no, You've got a fleet of women
claiming you did that, and a lot worse. He says,
I'm discussed, not half as disgusted as I am, or
not half as disgusted as how this.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Jury's gonna feel.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
And he's saying, I take full responsibility for what I did,
Really full responsibility. Then why aren't you pleading guilty?
Speaker 3 (25:15):
And you know it goes on and on.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
He says he is going to go to rehab. Rehab.
I never heard that Diddy went to rehab. Is one
person sitting on this panel that has ever heard that
Sean Combs went to rehab.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
I can't wait to hear this. He goes on and on.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Jury selections starting right now. He says he wants mercy
and grace. You know what, you can get mercy and
grace behind bars. You don't have to be walking free
to get mercy and grace. Straight out to Lauren Collin
joining us at the courthouse, Lauren, tell me about the
scene this morning when everyone was trying to get into
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the courthouse.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
Yes, Nancy, it was crazy.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
There were lines around the courthouse, incredibly crowded, lots of
police presence with barricades trying to control the flow of
people and the flow of press trying to get in
to report or observe on the jury selection.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
I say, one beefy looking guy that's walking around behind you.
He's dressed in all gray. He looks like he's packing.
From what I can tell from here, he looks like
a fed He just walked out of range of your camera.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
So I guess the courthouse is flanked with law enforcement.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Yes, it's flanked with law enforcement, as it should be.
Like I said, when I was here earlier, there was
people going crazy walking out of the courthouse, I thought
they had weapons. I thought they were going to do
something violent, so'm I was very thankful that there was
lots of police presence here.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Now we understand that there is a new defense on
the horizon. But before we get to that, to doctor
Bethany Marshall, you heard that apology video.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
How's that going to play?
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Certainly they're going to bring it in because if everything
that happened with Cassie Ventiro, who is one of the
state's strongest witnesses and one of the few victims that
wants her name in open court. The other victims are
going by victim two, victim three, she's going by her name.
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The fact that he says it's all consensual, Then what
about that apology video? Did you get all that I'm
disgusted with myself? Not have as disgusted as I am.
This is my darkest moment. No, no it's not. I
take full responsibility. Then why not plea I'm going to
go to rehab. No, no, it's too late for a rehab.
Plus he never went what about what he was saying
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that apology video.
Speaker 10 (27:41):
I love when he says I'm going to go to
therapy like he couldn't even pronounce the word. I'm like, yikes,
I hope he's not a patient coming into my office anyway.
What all of your listeners are going to recognize here
is the honeymoon phase of the cycle of abuse. Right
the man batters the woman, the woman tries to get away,
then he becomes remorseful, says he's going to do better,
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that he's going to go to rehab, and then as
as soon as the woman comes back again, then the
perpetrator gains acendency and power over the woman again. It
is a cycle that repeats endlessly. And as I was
looking at his face right now, I thought of all
the women, women who are viewers who might be on
the jury, maybe jurors who have daughters or sons who
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have been battered, and they have seen that face, they
have seen that person say, and all the abusers say
in all sincerity, I'm sorry, I'm going to get help.
I did not mean to do it, and they look
at the person and think, I know you're lying, because
you're just going to do it all over again. Jurors
aren't stupid, They're going to see right through this.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Joining us Eric Fattus high profile lawyer out of LA
but practices in multiple jurisdictions. Okay, Faddest, I guess you
want in on the apology video, Nancy.
Speaker 7 (28:56):
There's something buried in there that the ultimato rings pretty
hall for most. But buried in there when he's talking
about hitting rock bottom, seeking professional help, going to rehab,
what he could be doing is setting himself up for
what's called a diminish mental capacity defense, essentially arguing that, hey,
I was so whacked out of my mind on whatever
that I wasn't able to form the mental state to
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commit this crime, and therefore, ju or you got to
give me a break.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
At any point in that apology video, did you hear
him say one word about his mental state? You're just
making that up.
Speaker 7 (29:29):
What I'm saying is that if he's talking about being
overly intoxicated on substances that can't be used in trial.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Rehab, did he Jackie, did he say overly intoxicated in
that video? Did he say one thing about drugs or alcohol?
Did Sidney Sumner joining me Crimeonline dot Com and Crime
Stories investigative reporter Sydney, We have watched that apology video,
you and I fifty times. I don't hear anything about
I was.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Drunk or I was high. I didn't hear anything like that, No, ma'am,
not at all.
Speaker 14 (30:02):
Combs does not mention having some kind of diminished mental
capacity that caused him to attack his then girlfriend.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
His defense has come out and said.
Speaker 15 (30:13):
You know, this is a year long relationship that had
plenty of issues, and this was simply an argument that
got a little bit out of control.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
A little bit.
Speaker 14 (30:25):
That doesn't feel like a little bit to me. Throwing
a base somebody that you love or claimed to love
does not feel like a little bit of an argument
that got out of hand.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
So no, he doesn't mention.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
That he was drunk or high.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Well got me, Sidney is the kidney punch? The kidney kick?
Did you see him kick or write the kidney?
Speaker 14 (30:45):
It's ridiculous, Nancy. No amount of violence should ever be
tolerated in a relationship.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Much less one like this.
Speaker 14 (30:52):
You are a celebrity, you should be held to a
higher standard. And it seems like Combs only used his
wealth and power to cover up bad behavior.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
I'm going to address Eric Fattis's diminished capacity argument in
just a moment, but needless to say, Sean Combs runs
a billion dollar empire that he has built from scratch,
according to prosecutors, by violence, threats, beatings, and it goes
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on and on. That's how he amassed a billion dollar fortune,
according to prosecutors. But what he's saying in that apology video,
Lynn Shaw joining us from Lyn's Warriors, what do.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
You make of it?
Speaker 1 (31:36):
I pray that he brings up that the Cassie incident.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
That's certainly putting perfume on.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
The pig, the beating, the aggravated assault with hands and
feet as the deadly weapon. I want them to say
that's consensual, so then the state can bring on that
apology video.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
If he didn't do it, why is the apology land.
Speaker 8 (32:00):
First of all, that wasn't an apology. That was save me,
Save me, invoking God and I'm at my lowest point.
First of all, we have to remember physical violence is
never accepted in any kind of relationship. Second of all,
I never heard him say at all, and that apology
as I put air quotes around that I am sorry, Cassie,
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I'll do better. He never addressed her by name. I
don't even understand. That's a piece of garbage.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Throw it out.
Speaker 8 (32:28):
I maintain victim after victim had stories of abuse like.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
This, You know what, He's just going down.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
That's all I can say. It's done.
Speaker 8 (32:36):
Dirty Diddy is done.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 11 (32:51):
Investigators taking a second look into the nineteen ninety nine
Club New York shooting based on allegations Combs bragged about
bribing witnesses and jurorsy trial, sharing that he pulled the triggers,
not Jamal Shine Barrow. Barrow served nine years in prison
for opening fire and injuring three while I was celebrating
a new record deal with Combs and his girlfriend Jennifer Lopez.
The lawsuit a ledges. Combs shared that Lopez carried the
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gun and passed it to him during the altercation. Victim
Natanya Rubin, has also long insisted that Comb shot her,
not Barrow. Lopez was never charged in the shooting, and
Combs was acquitted of four counts criminal possession of a
weapon and bribery.
Speaker 12 (33:28):
The same way you're sure that I have on a
green shirt, I'm certain that he shot me.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
Now, was he aiming at me?
Speaker 12 (33:33):
Was I the object of his fire? Absolutely not. I
should not have been, because I didn't do anything to him.
I watched them both fire their guns. I watched them
I got hit right here in my nose, in between
my eyes, which means I'm facing directly at you.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
That victim spaking, and that is from the art of dialogue. Now,
rumors swirling that Jennifer Lopez will be called into court
on that case. HU showing a propensity for violence and
escaping justice. We're waiting to find out if that's going
to happen. But Fattus actually, although he completely fabricated it
(34:11):
from whole cloth, brought up a defense that we believe
will be used at trial, although it did not rear
its ugly head in the apology video listen.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Diddy's defense may now be arguing he did not have
the mental capacity to commit the alleged crimes.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
The lawyer's plan to put psychiatrist doctor.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Ely Awen on the stand to explain that, due to
drug and alcohol use, Sean Combs did not have the
capacity to form the men's rea required to commit the
alleged offenses, in other words, a guilty mind. Prosecutors are
fighting to block the testimony, claiming the rap mogul needed
to file prior notice of his intent to argue a
mental disease or defect bearing on the issue of guilt.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Eric Fattus, this is going to be difficult. It is
for all lawyers, But I'd like a yes no answer.
Isn't it true that voluntary use of drugs or alcohol
is never a defense?
Speaker 7 (35:04):
No, Nancy, I don't believe that's accurate. So voluntary intoxication
can potentially be a defense for he called specific intent
crimes crime Church three, in this case, transporting someone across
state lines with the intent, the specific intent that they
engage in prostitution. That is specific intent crime for which
voluntary intoxication could be applicable. The defense is going to
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argue that he did not have a lucid awareness of
exactly what was going on and what he was.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Doing fifty miles a minute.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Hold on, let's just break down what you just said
for real. Okay, you said that when Shawn comes was
making phone calls and texting all his contacts, you mean
the sex workers in other states that he was flying in,
he was too drawn or high to know what he
(35:56):
was doing.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Is That's what that means what you just said.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
So what you're saying, you're going to argue that in
front of a jury diminished capacity when he's calling all
his friends, well employees, going, hey, could you get me
those prostitutes from New York that I really like and
fly them into la or fly them into Florida. You
think that that could be done while you're a higher drunk.
Speaker 7 (36:22):
The law requires a loosent awareness and understanding of what
you're doing, the facts and circumstances surrounded your actions, and
defense can certainly argue to this jury that what he was.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Doing when he was dialing his phone, Okay, hold on, argument,
what about the rapes and the Shawncombe sitting back like
an Oscar winning director going could you move her left
leg over and put her right arm above her head
so we can get a better angle of the rape?
(36:55):
Are you suggesting that he was high or drunk and
didn't know what he was saying?
Speaker 7 (37:00):
I think the prosecution can present a donal evidence that
he did know what was going on. But as to
the question of whether he can present this kind of
an argument to the jury, I think on some of
these charges, on some of these allegations, k.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
I hear something, it's a bell tolling? Okay, what about that?
What about of course fatus is totally ignoring a huge
and vast body of law that says voluntary use of
drugs or alcohol is not a defense. Okay, that said Lynnshaw,
jump in Land jump in.
Speaker 8 (37:33):
I'm jumping out of my seat here trying to maintain
my control. I mean, I'm not a lawyer. I don't
play one on TV. We need the video evidence. What
are you talking about? This was a complicit operation. I
want to know about all the other people involved. Who
are actually carrying out his dirty ditty deeds. Who was phoning,
who was making the travel arrangements, the hotels, the car services,
who was securing the drugs, the loop everything we've talked
(37:55):
about for months about Dirty Diddy. This was a sex
trafficking operation across state lines. If they can stick with that,
we're going to have an outcome that is positive for
all sex trafficking survivors and victims. I maintain he is
going down. There is no defense here. Again, I'm not
a lawyer either, but you know what, video evidence. Too
many people talking about the same way they were treated, drugs,
(38:17):
all this stuff going on. Why though, I have to
leave you with this, Why was this allowed? Who are
the other complicit players? How did he get away with
this for so long. He is done, Dirty Diddy down.
And it begins today.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
With lines wrapped around the courthouse, barricades, law enforcement trying
to keep the public out, everyone trying to get into
the courtroom to see Sean Combs on day one of
his trial. This is jury selection straight to the courthouse,
standing by Lauren Colin.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
Co host Primetime Crime on YouTube. Lauren, what about JERRR?
Number two?
Speaker 1 (38:52):
That certainly certainly started off with a bang ooh.
Speaker 5 (38:55):
Nancy, you're number two. This is really interesting.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
Number two had a family member who had experienced domestic violence,
but actually said that this would not affect them being
fair and impartial. They also were asked about public figures
like Michael B. Jordan and Mike Myers, and they also
said their familiarity with these public figures would not affect
them being impartial.
Speaker 5 (39:19):
The law deer started.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
About an hour and a half after did he arrived,
which is.
Speaker 5 (39:24):
Around nine am. So yeah, they're getting things done. Nancy
joining me.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Private investigator Robert Crispin, former Federal Task Force officer usdj
DEA and Miami Field Division now Crispin Investigations dot Com. Robert,
you also investigated a lot of vice cases. I just
don't think a jury is going to buy the swinger
aspect or the fact the example that Fatus gave I
(39:53):
was too drunk to know what I was doing, because
there are so many counts. I mean, you've heard it before.
What how was dropped?
Speaker 3 (40:00):
What happened? Yeah, that's not a defense obviously.
Speaker 6 (40:03):
You know your lawyers will tell you that. You know.
In his video, if I can go back to that
for just one quick minute, he refers back to God
a lot. And I tell you, as an investigator investigating
a lot of people that were currently under investigation, not
in custody, yet you watch their behavior and if they're
a prime suspect, there is a pattern. And I think
(40:23):
the doctor will tell you, and other investigators will tell
you that guilty people or people believe to be guilty
always immediately turned to God. They start going to church
all the time, they start talking about God. That is,
to an investigator, one of the signs that your target
is probably guilty or pretty dark close to being guilty,
(40:45):
that God fearing bringing them into their interviews where there's
no pattern that we know of. Did he going to
church every Sunday? We're talking about God, but in this
video he refers to it and more than one occasion.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
We wait as jury selection unfolds. It's expected to take
multiple days, very long days in the courtroom.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Let's see how Shawn Combs holds up under jury's selection,
looking each juror in the face as they answer questions about.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Him Sean Combs.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
The trial set to start May twelve, but in actuality
it started today.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend.
Host
Nancy Grace
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