December 2, 2024 • 41 mins
NOTE: After our broadcast, Los Angeles Police announced Hannah Kobayashi had been seen on security footage crossing the U.S. border into Mexico. She was alone, on foot, with luggage in hand. The case is now classified as a voluntary missing person case.
30-year-old Hannah Kobayashi is on a bucket list trip from her home in Hawaii to New York, where she is going to visit an aunt in upstate New York, and take photos at a DJ's show in Brooklyn. Kobayashi plans the trip with her boyfriend but they breakup before the planned trip. Unable to get a refund they agree to fly together to New York and go their separate ways upon arrival. Hannah and her ex arrive at Los Angeles International Airport on Friday at 9:53 p.m. and have a connecting flight to JFK in New York scheduled for 11:00 p.m.
Pictures show Hannah Kobayashi arriving in a black hoodie with colorful sweatpants, while wearing a pair of headphones as she walks through LAX. Her ex-boyfriend makes it to the connecting flight to JFK in New York, but Hannah does not. There isn't a lot of time between landing from Hawaii and catching the connecting flight to JFK, just over 60 minutes, and some believe she simply missed the connecting flight and will take the next available flight on Saturday. Her suitcase is on the plane to JFK.
After missing her connecting flight to New York, Hannah Kobayashi remains at LAX Friday night into Saturday. On Saturday between 12 noon and 3 p.m. she is seen at "The Grove". According to Discover LA, The Grove is a World-Renowned Shopping, Dining, and entertainment destination. Located about 10 miles from LAX, Hannah Kobayashi sends a photo to her aunt at 2:43pm from Taschen Books where she is charging her phone. On the evening of Saturday, November 9, Hannah Kobayashi makes two payments via Venmo on November 9. One payment is made at 6:25pm to a woman named Veronica Alamendarez. The payment includes a description of a bow and arrow emoji. Less than one hour later at 7:19 pm, Kobayashi makes a Venmo payment to Jonathan Taylor. In the subject line of the second Venmo payment is the word "reading".
Sunday November 10th, Hannah Kobayashi is back at The Grove in downtown Los Angeles and is seen on a video posted to YouTube at the LeBron James Trial Experience at the Nike Store. A photo of the event is posted on Kobayashi's Instagram account. Hannah had been texting with family members telling them she couldn't wait to get to New York, and it was a nightmare trying to get another flight.
Hannah Kobayashi is keeping in regular contact with family and while she is frustrated about getting to New York there doesn't seem to be anything to worry about, until Monday, November 11 when a series of text messages to family and friends causes alarm. Kobayashi's mother sends her a text asking if she has made it to New York and Hannah responds "no". Then friends and family start getting messages from Kobayashi's phone saying someone has stolen her identity and all of her money. Concerned, family members try calling and texting but don't hear back from Hannah.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Gregory Morse - Attorney, Partner at King Morse, PLLC. Current CJA counsel, Former West Palm Beach Public Defender's Office. Author: "The Untested" found on Amazon, website: kingmorselaw.com
- Caryn Stark - Psychologist, renowned TV and Radio trauma expert and consultant, www.carynstark.com, Instagram: carynpsych, FB: Caryn Stark Private Practice
- Irv Brandt - Former Senior Inspector, US Marshals Service International Investigations Branch, Chief Inspector, DOJ Office of International Affairs; Country Attache, US Embassy Kingston, Jamaica, Author: “SOLO SHOT: CURSE OF THE BLUE STONE," "Forever Solo: Knight of the Dragon," "FL
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Breaking news tonight, an eerie twist emerging in the case
of a Hawaiian beauty who disappears between flights at lax
La Airport.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Where is Hannah Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
This is Crime Stories, Thank you for being with us.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
Picture show Hannah Kobeashia arriving in a black hoodie with
colorful sweatpans while wearing a pair of headphones as she
walks through lax Her ex boyfriend makes it to the
connecting flight to JFK in New York, but Hannah does not.
There isn't a lot of time between landing from Hawaii
and catching the connecting flight to JFK, just over sixty minutes,
and some believe she simply missed the connecting flight and
(00:45):
will take the next available flight on Saturday. Her suitcase
is on the plane to JFK.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
None of this is making sense now.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
We all saw the famous movie Terminal all right with
Tom Hanks senate about someone that ends up living in
an airport.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Okay, that's not real.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
This is joining me an all star panel to make
sense of what we know right now. But first two,
alexis Tereschuk Crimeonline dot Com investigative reporter Alexis, thank you
for being with us. Let's just take it very slowly.
Tell me about Hannah's bucket list. I understand that she
was coming from Hawaii layover in LA brief layover, and
(01:33):
she was headed to a photo assignment in New York,
and that she took that assignment because going to New
York City was on her bucket list.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
What else can you tell me?
Speaker 5 (01:45):
She lives in Hawaii. She has a beautiful array of
her work on her Instagram, So she is a photographer.
She got this job in New York. Yes, that is
part of her bucket list. She wants to travel the
world and she wants to show off her beautiful photography.
So she lands in Los Angeles on Friday, November eight.
(02:08):
If this is about she has a connection at eleven pm,
she misses it. But the thing was that she was
traveling with a friend, an ex boyfriend. They were going
to go together to New York even though they were
broken up. They were traveling together.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Whoa whoa wait, Antana going up?
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Did I hear BF boyfriend? Did I hear those words? Yes?
Speaker 5 (02:30):
Actually ex boyfriend?
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Okay, stop right, there, stop right there. Stop, stop, stop
and stop. I'm trying to make sense of what I'm hearing,
because we all know I want to go straight out
to Gregory Morse's high profile lawyer at King and Morse,
author of the Untested on Amazon. Greg Now, I'm sure
all your clients are innocent.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
But that said, the first place you look.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
When anybody goes missing is husband, boyfriend, an ex lover.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Would you agree with that?
Speaker 6 (03:03):
That's right?
Speaker 7 (03:03):
I do agree, and I agree that everyone that King
morseh represents is likely innocent. And I do agree that
the police and any family member looking would go right
to the last person that saw Hannah alive before it
was in texts, which would be the ex boyfriend. It's
strange that they were traveling together even though they're apparently
(03:25):
ex boyfriend and girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah, you know, throwing in the word x Alexis Tereschuk
means nothing. And Greg brought it up too to Scott
Iiker joining us, who has worked many many missing persons cases,
founding member of the FBI's Cellular Analysis Team.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
C ast. That's impressive, Scott.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Asign from your expertise in cellular, cell phone and digital analysis.
Let me talk to you about missing people. The fact
that the boyfriend is an X, that means nothing to me,
because you are a man. Men only become enraged when
the woman breaks up. That makes someone that is have
violence just beneath the surface boil over.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
So the fact that it's an X means nothing.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
An ex that decided to travel with her on this trip.
Speaker 8 (04:17):
I totally agree, X means nothing.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
It's still a romantic liaison.
Speaker 8 (04:21):
I totally agree. I mean they've had a past, we
don't know what the future is, and that that relationship
and it's always someone that you have to start looking initially.
Is the last person that saw her? Export friend was
on the flight with her.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
You know, that's one thing alexis Tereshchuk.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
That's the last thing I would want to break up
with a man. And then there he is sitting beside
me on a five hour flight or however long it
is from Hawaii to LA Like, right there, you break
up with him, and there he is.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
But correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
But he made his connecting flight, didn't he which them?
Speaker 1 (05:00):
He did?
Speaker 5 (05:01):
He went on to New York. They only had about
an hour layover in Los Angeles. He got onto the
next plane.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
She did not okay, you joining us from La Alexis.
If you could just describe the LA airport, and you
know there's that stretch Alexis which is underground. It's a
long I mean you can't even see the end of it.
When you're getting off one plane and you're going elsewhere,
(05:27):
you have to go in a long underground tunnel where
you lose cell reception very often. You know that spot
in La. Yes, so Lax is a mad house.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
It's crazy, and.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
It's seven terminals and it's not like the Atlanta airport
where you have that train that moves you from terminal
to terminal. You have to walk everywhere in Los Angeles,
so you walk underground from terminal to terminal, and it's
it's like a huge U shaped so to go from
terminal to terminal can take quite a long time if
you're walking it. It's just a gigantic airport.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
And when you're trying to make a connection, in one
hour your flight lands, then your next flight takes off
in one hour. That's almost impossible in Lax.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Okay, back to you.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Scott Iiker, founding member FBI Cellular Analysis Survey Team and
expert in missing people. Do you believe the fact that
the boyfriend actually catches his connecting flight excludes him because
apparently police do.
Speaker 8 (06:33):
That takes a little bit more of investigative work. You
don't know what happened prior to the flight, if he
was involved in maybe you know, drugging her or something
simple like that. She got off the plane, went to
you know, disappeared after that, he made it further onto
the connecting flight. What happened in between in that forty minutes?
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Okay, let me think about what Scott Iiker just said.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Joining me is Brandt, in addition to Alexis Tereschuk, Scott Iiker,
and Gregory Morrise IRV former Senior Inspector US Marshall Service
International Investigations Branch, author of a series of books on
Amazon about Jack Solo, the first being Solo Shot Curse
of the Blue Stone. Okay, hold on, IRV. Do you
(07:22):
remember when you and I investigated Caitlin Armstrong, the so
called glam a yoga instructor number one. She killed Mariah,
a beautiful, young world class dirt.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Bike rider who was happening to be in town for
a race.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Dear, there's Caitlin at the airport and I believe that
that is. Let's see, it's not Leguardia, it's not JF Kay,
that's got to be the airport. That's got to be Newark's.
Speaker 6 (07:53):
It's Liberty International in Newark.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Uh huh. Yes. Now remember how Caitlin Armstrong who had
just murdered Moe.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Just because Moe had a hamburger with Armstrong's boyfriend. Yeah,
all this over a hamburger. That said, they caught her
every move. She was using her sister's passport. She went
on to hide out in Costa Rica, and you actually
called it weeks before she was caught. IRV Brandt down
(08:27):
there teaching surfing yoga. She had plastic surgery on her face,
changed her hair, going by a different name, but the
US marshals found her, HERV Brandt.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
What I'm leading up to.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Is, look at her.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
They had her every move, not once, but in two airports.
I mean, the only place with more video surveillance than
an airport may be a Vegas casino or target. Of course,
who has the best surveillance video ever, That said, IRV Garantee,
you law enforcement has pulled the video in lax and
(09:04):
watched the boyfriend's every move of.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
That I have no doubt Nancy, like the other panelists,
said that you're going to focus primarily on a relationship
person first until you rule them out. And I'm sure
that the FBI and the LAPD tracked the boyfriend's movements
across the airport, made sure he did get on the flight,
(09:30):
then probably tracked his movements in New York to confirm
that he wasn't no longer a person of interest in
this case.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
You know, I'm thinking about Lax Earth and everybody on
the panel also joining us renowned psychologist Karen Stark. Karen Stark,
I'm going to circle back to you, because last thing
you want is your ex popping up in the seat
beside you.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
God forbid it.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Be a middle seat that said this woman, gorgeous beauty
out of Hawaii. Guess as far as Lax then seemingly
vanishes between flights, the first place you look in an airport,
Scott Iker, how.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Do you I mean lax is over five acres.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Where do you start looking for her in an airport?
The bathrooms, the lounges, the restaurants, But it should be
easily spotted there, So then you have to go behind
the scenes, behind the doors, that say employees only.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I mean, how do you do it?
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Scott?
Speaker 8 (10:38):
Well, as you said, those cameras in the airports are
just fantastic, And I mean you have a starting point,
you know, the exit from the plane into the terminal,
then you just follow that person hopefully. I mean, I've
been to lax It's it's a nutt place and it's
just so many people I can see. It might be difficult,
but still possible to follow it through the terminal. She
(11:00):
goes you away from the airplane itself and then to
other parts of the airport itself.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
The search for Hannah riddled with mystery.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
She leaves Maui scheduled to catch a flight at lax
a flight to New York City, but missed it because
of a short layover. According to her family, police working
with the family to find her in a desperate search.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
So what happens next?
Speaker 9 (11:38):
Thirty year old Hannah Kobeya She is on a bucket
list trip from her home in Hawaii to New York.
She is going to visit an ant in Upstate New
York and take photos at a DJ show in Brooklyn.
Kobeyashi plans the trip with her boyfriend, but they break
up before the trip.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Unable to get a refund.
Speaker 9 (11:54):
They agree to fly together to New York and go
their separate ways upon arrival. Hannah and her ex arrive
at Los Angeles International Airport on Friday at nine pet
fifty three pm, and I have a connecting flight to
JFK in New York scheduled for eleven pm.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
What happened to a Hawaiian beauty? On her bucket list trip?
She takes a photo of Simon in New York. She
finally gets to go see the city. She gets to
La Lax Airport and then vanishes.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Something is very wrong with this scenario.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Then I hear Alexis Tereschuk that she's at the airport overnight.
She's waiting for an early morning flight hopefully, and then
suddenly she pops up at the grove. Hold on, I
need a shrink, Karen Stark joining me. We're now a psychologist,
TV radio trauma expert and consultant. If you're looking for
her online, she's at Karenstark dot com. Karen with the
(12:49):
Sea Karen. A lot of this isn't making sense to
me now, she travels with the X.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Even though they're broken up. At first I was hung
up on that.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Then I found out they couldn't get a refund, so
you know that, to grin and bear it. He goes
on to catch his flight in No La. Law enforcement
has looked at all the surveillance of him leaving his
flight and walking just like we saw Caitlin Armstrong every
step of.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
The way to his connecting flight. He made it.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
He is not a suspect. But why this is the
part I don't get. When you're trying to catch a
flight to get to your destination, why do you leave
the airport and decide to get shopping at a mall?
It's an outdoor mall's famous, So I don't get that part.
Speaker 10 (13:38):
Well, Nancy, that's the part that everyone is wondering about,
and it certainly seems like somebody else may have been involved,
because it doesn't make sense. And the only thing I
can think of is that she's being coerced or manipulated.
Somebody has her with some kind of Stockholm syndront trauma
bonding and she can't leave, and they are making her
(14:00):
go to these destinations to have it seen that things
are normal.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Hold on right there, you know much as much as
I'd love to dive down that rabbit hole with you,
let me just get the bus at the weeds and
back in the middle of the road. Because isn't it
true Alexis Terreschuk that while at the grove she takes
pictures off herself and sends them to her aunt, and
(14:28):
there's nobody coersing her.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
She looks happy.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
Yes, she went to the grove two days in a row,
so she lands on Friday night. She goes to the
grove on Saturday, and the next time we see her again,
she's back at the grove. For this is the Lebron
James event at the Nike store.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Okay, now the story becomes even more bizarre. How do
Tero card.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Readings fit into Hannah's disappearance.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Listen.
Speaker 11 (14:55):
On the evening of Saturday, November ninth, Hanna Kobyashi makes
two venmo payments. One payment is me at six twenty
five pm to a woman named Veronica Almandarz. The payment
includes a description of a bow and arrow emoji. Less
than one hour later, at seven nineteen pm, Kobyashi makes
a venmo payment to Jonathan Taylor. In the subject line
of the second venmo payment, is the word reading.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Okay, Alexis ter Aschuk.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Tarot card readings number one, I don't believe in them.
Number two I had one done during the Atlanta Olympics
as a lark. A defense attorney also read tarot cards,
and as a lark, I said, okay, read my cards,
and he said, in nineteen ninety six, you will marry
(15:42):
a man that's already in your life many years from now,
and you will have twins, a boy and a girl.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Really, that was ninety six.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Two thousand and seven, I married David, who I've known
since my senior year of college, and we had two children,
a boy and a girl. Still don't believe in it, okay,
because I can't bring it into evidence in court of law.
I hear Greg remorse high profile along going.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
But tell me where does she get a tarot card reading?
Speaker 5 (16:20):
I mean they're everywhere. There's so the grove is a
shopping district, This is a the malls of the middle.
There are streets north and south, east and west of there.
It's the Melrose district. Tarot card readings all up and
down the street where she could walk to any of them.
This is not this is a busy area. She could
find it anywhere along those streets.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Okay, that's leading me somewhere else to IRV Brandt. Now
I've got her leave. She's left the airport. She's at
the grove, not one day, but two days, still planning
to catch a flight. Now she leaves and wanders down
the side of his street and gets a Tarot card reading.
Now it sounds to me like she's just kicking back,
(17:02):
enjoying herself, like you would at a street festival, going
into the various stalls, maybe eating, taking pictures. Unlike what
Karen Stark just said, I am not buying any sudden
Stockholm syndrome or trauma bonding. She's being gone forty eight
hours and still everything seems to be on track. But
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we know she's going to go back to lax to
catch another flight.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
So what do you make of this turn of events?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
She's walking along a street near the grove and has
a tarot card reading and pays for it with a venmo.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
Nancy, I don't find that unusual if you were going
to be in Los Angeles for a couple of days
and you were going to continue on and she went
to a place like the Grove and like you said,
maybe just past the time waiting for a flight, and
she's interested in tarot card readings, and so she stopped
(18:01):
for a reading. I don't find that unusual. I'm sure
investigators on the case or trying to find if there's
video of her, they.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Found the tarot card reader, they found him or brand.
His name is Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
But what I find probative.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Is that I've got her sending a Venmo at seven
nineteen and it has reading written on it.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
We know who it goes to, we know where she is.
So that's pretty strong.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Evidence she's alive and well two days later at seven nineteen.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
But Venmo has been a source of evidence in other cases.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Does anyone remember Deborah Callier, the Georgia mom who leaves
her house with her car, keys, debit card, everything. The
last we know of her is a Venmo.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
Deborah Collier leaves her house with her car, keys and
debit card, drives to a dollar store an hour from
her home. Is seen on video in the store and
in the parking lot. She sends a twenty three hundred
dollars VENMO payment to her daughter, Amanda Beard, with the
cryptic message they are not going to let me go.
Love you. There's a key to the house in the
blue flower pot by the door. Beard says she wasn't
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expecting money and calls Collier right away, but gets no answer.
Debra Collier has vanished, her daughter and husband reporter missing,
and police begin the investigation focused on the Venmo payment.
Speaker 9 (19:29):
Sunday, November tenth, Hannah Kobayashi is back at the Grove
in downtown Los Angeles in a scene on a video
posted to YouTube but the Lebron James trial experience at
the Nike Store. A photo of the event is posted
on kobe Yashi's Instagram. Hannah had been texting with family members,
telling them she couldn't wait to get to New York
and it was a nightmare trying to get another flight
(19:50):
back to.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Gregory Morse joining US partner King Ann Morse palm beat Gregory.
The significance of this, I mean, we know she went
to the Nike store and this video is for the
Lebron James trial experience, and that is at the Nike store.
But her posting of this video on YouTube gives me
(20:15):
another hard time in my timeline scenario. And she has
provided all that herself from the Venmo to the posting,
so we have her alive and well Sunday, November tenth.
I mean, I don't see anything odd about it. I
don't think anyone's controlling her. I don't think anyone has
(20:36):
abducted her and is making her go to the Lebron
James trial experience. I think we can count on that
as being a significant factor in our timeline.
Speaker 7 (20:46):
I think it's significant, but I think it also can
be seen as a problematic that she may have been
being controlled.
Speaker 6 (20:56):
You know, there's connections of her.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
She being controlled because she said the Lebron James experience.
Speaker 7 (21:03):
Well, when you look at the picture, she does not
look happy. She does not look like she wants to
be there, in the sense that she's not smiling, hands raised,
or showing excitement for this. It's an odd event to
go to if you had a connecting flight to New.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
York, Greg Morse, So your theory, let's just follow this
through to its logical conclusion, to the dead end.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
I'm about to explain, Greg Morris, you're saying.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
This someone is controlling her. They've abducted her, and they've
taken her to the Lebron James experience. Okay, so they
kidnap her, not to rape her, not to get money
from her, not to kill her out of some thrill
kill desire, but they kidnap her to force her to
go to the Lebron James experience experience.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Is that what you're saying.
Speaker 7 (21:52):
That's exactly what I'm saying, potentially, And it seems like
that could have occurred to make her seem like.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
She's doing off going to be happy with you because
that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Well, I think there's a chance for you to retract it.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
She was kidnapped to force her to go to the
Lebron James Experiment.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Is that you're going to stick with that.
Speaker 7 (22:13):
I'm going to stick with that because from everything else,
it seems like she's not intentionally doing that. Someone is
trying to create the impression that this girl is fine.
And I go back to the ex boyfriend who was
with her on a connecting flight but didn't go with
her to the connecting flight. That is very bizarre.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Let let's just rule him out to make Greg Moos happy.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Alexis Tereschuk. At the time that this photo was.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Taken in front of the Lebron James trial, experiment.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
The boyfriend has. This is two days later. The boyfriend
is already where he was going.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
He's at his destination. She's alive, and he's in another jurisdiction.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
He went to New York. He made a flight. He
actually has spoken with the police. They have They said
that he has been very helpful and they do not
believe that he is involved in this at all. He
has no knowledge of what is going on.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Where is Hanna Kobyaishi? Friends, family, police are stumped? Family desperate. Then,
after she's spotted at the grove and the Lebron James experiment,
an odd twist, the text that she is sending to
friends and family suddenly don't sound like her at all.
Speaker 11 (23:31):
Listen, Hanna Kobyashi's family is concerned about odd text messages
they are getting from Hannah because the messages don't sound
like her. The messages use terms like hun and babe
and saying someone is trying to steal her identity and
all of her funds. The messages also don't include any emojis,
something everyone knows to expect from a text message coming
(23:51):
from Hannah Kobyashi.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
You know, Greg.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Moore's high profile lawyers tried a lot of cases there
is the reality of routine evidence. And again by that,
I don't mean stereotypical or run of the meal evidence.
I mean evidence of someone's routine. If I were to
(24:15):
send you a two paragraph text, you would know I'm
dead and somebody's got my phone. My text are two sentences, max,
with a lot of abbreviations. This woman always included an emoji.
Always no emojis in this She started using pet names
(24:36):
like babe and Hun spelled hun as in Attila, the
hun as opposed to honey. They all noticed that was
totally unlike her, and I submit, and would submit even
in a court of law, that that is where my
true timeline begins.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
With these odd texts.
Speaker 7 (25:00):
Well, I don't think the timeline begins there, but I
do agree with you that those texts seem out of character.
According to her family, and we all know when something's wrong.
We've had a loved one or a friend send us
a text, Hey are you mad?
Speaker 6 (25:15):
This text off?
Speaker 7 (25:17):
We habits very quickly, and Hannah's family knew her habits.
And it does seem like someone sent those texts to
try to make it seem like she's she is alive
and somewhere, even though they're negative texts that talk about
her disappearing, and that could all be a ruse to
let her family think something that's not true, and she's
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somewhere else. So I think you're right. The texts are important,
but the timeline starts when she leaves Hawaii and then
goes from there, and these texts are one piece that
help describe this odd situation, and that's something is amiss
here with this with Hannah. I, of course referring to
the criminal timeline when I believe that something went awry
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with Hannah.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
This has happened before, and we can prove that it's
evidence of wrongdoing.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Remember Gabby Patito.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
On August twenty seventh, twenty twenty one, it's believed that
Brian Laundry sent a text to Nicole Schmidt in which
he refers to Gabby Patito's grandfather stand by name. Gabby
Patito never called her grandfather by this name. Calling your
grandfather by their first name and not a common nickname
like Papa or grandpa or something like that was very
very unorthodox, and Nicole Schmidt had very very strong feelings
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connected to that text message that something wasn't right that
something was drastically wrong.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
I mean, these texts get really bizarre. Let's see that
visual of the text. Deep hackers wiped my identity, stole
all of my funds. Have had me on a mind
f since Friday. I got tricked into giving away all
my funds for someone.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
I thought I loved that she's no longer replying to
messages from family and friends. No new messages are coming
to their phones. At that point, family reports her missing
to Alexis Tereschuk. Family and friends thought everything was fine
up until this point. At this point, they reach out
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to police, they file a missing person's report, and they
begin to blanket social media.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
Describe they put out that the local police put out
a message on their social media. They put say that
she is a missing woman here in Los Angeles. It
was on the local news and it has been all
over TikTok, Instagram. I don't know about Twitter, but it's everywhere.
And here's the thing. She's beautiful, young, she has lots
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of friends. They are all worried about her now, and
her family has been very proactive. They've reached out to
multiple news stations to get the message out there that
she is missing.
Speaker 9 (27:58):
Family and friends of hannakobe Ykashi arrived in Los Angeles
to begin searching, reaching out to police and filing a
missing person report. They also cover social media and the
news media asking for help. It is determined that Hannah's
phone last pinged around four pm Monday, November eleventh, that
lax with no new activity, the phone has not been found.
The family obtained surveillance footage showing Hanna Kobyashi around the
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Metro train station near Crypto dot Com Arena. In that video,
she appears to be accompanied by someone. The family posts
on social media that the video shows Hannah is not
alone and quote does not appear to be in good condition.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Okay, A lot to figure out from that news report.
To Scott Iiker, a founding member of the FBI Cellular
Analysis Team, former FBI twenty two years Scott.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Let's talk about the ping.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
The ping places her phone, which I believe is with
her back at LAX, but no new activity from the phone.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
We just get a ping.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Then you've got footage showing her at the Metro train
station at the Crypto dot Com arena.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
What is that telling you?
Speaker 2 (29:11):
I'm not sure if the surveillance video at Crypto Arena
is before or after the Lax ping Alexi Terestchuk which
one is first? That's important?
Speaker 5 (29:24):
The crypto dot com spotting is after she was at LAX.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
And how far is Crypto Arena from Lax.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
About ten miles not very.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Far, Okay, So what about it, Scott? Her phone is
pinged at the airport, then ten miles away she's at
a train station at Crypto Arena.
Speaker 8 (29:45):
Well, we know she went back to the airport to
try to get another flight to New York, so that
makes sense. And I think there was a text that
she was charged trying to charge her phone at one
of the places over by the growth.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
What is lap do you have to say? Listen?
Speaker 12 (30:00):
On Friday, November eighth, twenty three year old Hanna Kobayashi
missed her connecting flight from Lax to New York, which
the investigation determined was intentional. Over the next few days,
she maintained contact with her family and was active on Instagram. However,
the family last heard from Hannah on November eleventh, after
receiving concerning text messages and losing further contact. Her family
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traveled to la on November thirteenth, then filed a missing
person report.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Alexis terrestik is my understanding the family. Hannah's family vehemently
disagrees with the LAPD, saying her missing her Connector flight
to NYC was intentional. They think she just missed the
flight and then went it to travel Hell.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
That's exactly right. They disagree with this. They say that
she missed her flight, she was trying to get back,
She was trying to get on another flight she went
back to LAX, that she was trying to continue on
because she had told them I'm going to go see
my aunt who still go to New York, and so
they believe her that that's what she says. They do
not believe that this was an intentional missing of the
flight and then hanging out from Los Angeles for no reason.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Then an extremely bizarre twist.
Speaker 11 (31:09):
After eleven days of searching for his daughter, Ryan Kobyashi
is found dead around four am near a parking structure
at LAX. The Los Angeles Medical Examiner says the cause
of death is multiple blunt force trauma injuries. Police confirmed
the fifty eight year old died after jumping off the
seventh floor of the parking structure. The family issues a
statement expressing grief and asking for the public to focus
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on the search for Hanna kobyashi.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Crime Stores with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Alexis Tereschuk.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
This is a crazy, a bizarre twist in the disappearance
of the Hawaiian beauty Hannah Kobyashki.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
So let me understand. The father, who.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Has previously been stranged from Hannah, flies all the way
to lax and starts looking for her and then suddenly
kills himself.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
He does. He flew to Los Angeles. He went to
the Crypto dot Com Center, it's the stadium used to
be the Stable Center in Los Angeles downtown, got together
with a lot of people, was on the press and
the news, trying to bring awareness for his daughter. He
searched for her. He searched all downtown, the downtown Los
Angeles area. This is one of the areas known as
skid Row. He was down there looking for her, searching,
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literally feet on the ground, looking for his daughter in
all these really tough parts of town. And he was searching.
He was talking to anybody who had maybe seen her
because this was where she had been spotted, and trying
to find her and was unable to do so. Had
never had contact with her, and he spoke to the
media and he said, I have so much regret. I
was very much estranged with her, but all I want
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to do now is helped to find her, to find
my little daughter. And he then and went back to
lax where it was the last time or she was
seen on video about twelve days before this. And then
he went on top of a parking structure, seventh floor,
and he jumped off and his body was found at
four o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
So straight out to IRV Brandt joining us form a
US Marshal Service.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
IRV, how do I know he jumped and wasn't pushed.
Speaker 6 (33:24):
Well, that's a good question, Nancy. It would appear that
the authorities, the FBI and the LAPD in the coroner's office,
believe it's a suicide, and I'm assuming that they have
something substantial to back that up. I would imagine it
would probably be something like maybe video from the parking
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garage's most secure parking garages do have video cameras, and
if he was alone, there's pictures of him stepping up
on the wall, you know, with no one else around. Yeah,
you will push.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Let me let me follow up on that. Alexis Tarasca.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
The parking deck where the dad reportedly jumped to his death,
was that connected to the airport or near the airport?
Speaker 5 (34:14):
Yes, it was very near, Lax and I believe that they're.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Okay, we are there converdence surveillance. Okay, Alexis, I hope
you're sitting down. I've got another another curve ball to
throw at you at ninety mph. What is the Twin
Flames Cult and what, if anything does it have to
do with Hannah.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
So the Twin Flames Cult is an organization that was
started by this couple and they are they were in
Hawaii and they have started this organization where they tell
people that they have a twin flame, and it's based
on an old book from eighteen hundreds that so you
match with somebody who are a twin and you both
have intense feelings for each other. But they encourage people
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to not only and they the founders of this cult.
They are the ones that select who the twin flame
is for you. So you say you joined this, and
they say, we knew who this person is, but it
can possibly be not even somebody within the organization. So
they say, this is your twin flame. You must go
after them. You must make them love you and make
them realize that this So, Hannah had followed quite a
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few people that were involved in this cult on her
Instagram page and people this has been very suspicious that
perhaps that this had a connection because they are their
headquarters for their organization are listed in Carlsbad, California, which
is about ninety minutes south of Los Angeles. It's just
north of San Diego, and this is where this is located.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
There are other texts that are alarming and Karen start
joining us renowned psychologist. They're very disturbing to me because
I don't think she wrote them.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
They say things like quote.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Matrix underworld girl and that she would never have written
matrix underworld girl. This is way beyond me the friend rights.
Did you get Catfish? I said, dude, you were talking
to you on the internet. She says, no, we met.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
I can't explain all of it. Just be open with this, please.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
This is so beyond anything that Hannah Kobyashi would ever
have written. That would be like me telling you my
mind had been hijacked and I was going through some
matrix shiit Okay, you would know I did not send that,
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and that's what her family and friends are getting.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
This woman is gone. She's not sending these texts.
Speaker 10 (36:48):
Well, you know, Nanty, if you sent that to me,
I would think to myself, either it's not you or
something terrible has happened to you and your personality is changing.
And I think both of those possibility, because something awful
is going on with Anna, And in fact, it very
well could be that she broke up with the boyfriend
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who knows because there was someone else that she fell
in love with and it was somebody that she met there,
or she coincidentally met someone there who somehow manipulated her
and did things to her that she doesn't understand, and
she's losing her sense of self. And that is a
strong possibility to me that something is going on that
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we don't understand, but she doesn't understand either. Someone is
manipulating her, coercing her and making her do things that
she would not normally do, and she's confused, anxious, desperate.
Speaker 12 (37:47):
On November fifteenth, our Missing Persons Unit assumed investigative responsibility.
Detectives have been diligently reviewing video surveillance and employing various
investigative techniques to locate Hannah while her family has continued
their personal search efforts. Tragically, on November twenty fourth, during
the search for his daughter, Hannah's father, Ryan Kobayashi, was
found deceased. Preliminary findings indicate his death was by suicide.
(38:12):
Our hearts go out to the Kobayashi family during this
unimaginable time of grief. We remain fully committed to locating
Hannah and supporting the family as they navigate their way
through this tragedy.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
This case has had so many twists and turns it's
hard to make sense and determine what's fact and what's fiction.
Amongst the Twin Flames cult claims now conspiracy theories about
African hackers, Greg remorse, isn't it true you discover that
Twin Flames cult is actually headquartered or somehow incorporated in Karlsbath.
Speaker 7 (38:53):
That's correct. Ten Flames, when they filled out their nonprofit
forms for the government, was listed in addressing Carlsbad, California,
which is in the San Diego area. And you know
her conduct, her texts, her leaving the airport going to
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do different things is in line with people.
Speaker 10 (39:17):
Who you know.
Speaker 7 (39:18):
Get whether the word is duped, whether it get sucked
in to a cult and they act very bizarre, you know,
it's you know, Jim Jones was a real person. Jim
Jones caused people to do horrible things to themselves because
they were desperate and they thought that was an answer.
And this could very much be what this young lady
is dealing with right now, especially with a nonprofit about
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finding your soulmate and we'll pick it for you. I
mean this, this screams of you know, cult trying to
control in the van of koresh or Jim Jones, and
it's and she could be very well down that rabbit hole.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Alexis Terraschuk does she have any non connection to twin Flames?
Speaker 5 (40:03):
She follows people on her Instagram account that are involved
with twin Flames, but right now there's no specific connection
that she's involved in, but she follows the moment.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
What about the theory that African hackers are involved in
her disappearance. It's one thing to steal your money's another
thing to make you go completely missing in the airport.
Speaker 5 (40:23):
This is what people are worried about, that somebody has
hacked into her account. She's saying, all of my money
has been stolen, my identity has been changed. I can't
get anywhere. She seems like she's very desperately upset about
everything that's happening. She hasn't sent screenshots of, say, you know,
her bank account showing that she has no money. But
she also isn't anywhere. She's not going anywhere and getting
any help doing anything, even calling her parents and saying
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her mom now saying I am here in Los Angeles,
please come and get me.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
So the characterization of her going missing at LAX is
not entirely true. I think before his death, the father
was on the right track. We're not going to find
her in some closet at LAX. She's long been gone
from LAX the La Airport. If you know or think
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you know anything about the disappearance of Hannah Kobayashi, please
dial toll free eight hundred two two two eight four
seven seven repeat eight hundred two two two eight.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Four seven seven. Where is Hannah Kobayashi.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Nancy Gray signing off, goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Breaking news tonight, an eerie twist emerging in the case
of a Hawaiian beauty who disappears between flights at lax
La Airport.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Where is Hannah Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
This is Crime Stories, Thank you for being with us.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
Picture show Hannah Kobeashia arriving in a black hoodie with
colorful sweatpans while wearing a pair of headphones as she
walks through lax Her ex boyfriend makes it to the
connecting flight to JFK in New York, but Hannah does not.
There isn't a lot of time between landing from Hawaii
and catching the connecting flight to JFK, just over sixty minutes,
and some believe she simply missed the connecting flight and
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will take the next available flight on Saturday. Her suitcase
is on the plane to JFK.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
None of this is making sense now.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
We all saw the famous movie Terminal all right with
Tom Hanks senate about someone that ends up living in
an airport.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Okay, that's not real.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
This is joining me an all star panel to make
sense of what we know right now. But first two,
alexis Tereschuk Crimeonline dot Com investigative reporter Alexis, thank you
for being with us. Let's just take it very slowly.
Tell me about Hannah's bucket list. I understand that she
was coming from Hawaii layover in LA brief layover, and
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she was headed to a photo assignment in New York,
and that she took that assignment because going to New
York City was on her bucket list.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
What else can you tell me?
Speaker 5 (01:45):
She lives in Hawaii. She has a beautiful array of
her work on her Instagram, So she is a photographer.
She got this job in New York. Yes, that is
part of her bucket list. She wants to travel the
world and she wants to show off her beautiful photography.
So she lands in Los Angeles on Friday, November eight.
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If this is about she has a connection at eleven pm,
she misses it. But the thing was that she was
traveling with a friend, an ex boyfriend. They were going
to go together to New York even though they were
broken up. They were traveling together.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Whoa whoa wait, Antana going up?
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Did I hear BF boyfriend? Did I hear those words? Yes?
Speaker 5 (02:30):
Actually ex boyfriend?
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Okay, stop right, there, stop right there. Stop, stop, stop
and stop. I'm trying to make sense of what I'm hearing,
because we all know I want to go straight out
to Gregory Morse's high profile lawyer at King and Morse,
author of the Untested on Amazon. Greg Now, I'm sure
all your clients are innocent.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
But that said, the first place you look.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
When anybody goes missing is husband, boyfriend, an ex lover.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Would you agree with that?
Speaker 6 (03:03):
That's right?
Speaker 7 (03:03):
I do agree, and I agree that everyone that King
morseh represents is likely innocent. And I do agree that
the police and any family member looking would go right
to the last person that saw Hannah alive before it
was in texts, which would be the ex boyfriend. It's
strange that they were traveling together even though they're apparently
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ex boyfriend and girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah, you know, throwing in the word x Alexis Tereschuk
means nothing. And Greg brought it up too to Scott
Iiker joining us, who has worked many many missing persons cases,
founding member of the FBI's Cellular Analysis Team.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
C ast. That's impressive, Scott.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Asign from your expertise in cellular, cell phone and digital analysis.
Let me talk to you about missing people. The fact
that the boyfriend is an X, that means nothing to me,
because you are a man. Men only become enraged when
the woman breaks up. That makes someone that is have
violence just beneath the surface boil over.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
So the fact that it's an X means nothing.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
An ex that decided to travel with her on this trip.
Speaker 8 (04:17):
I totally agree, X means nothing.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
It's still a romantic liaison.
Speaker 8 (04:21):
I totally agree. I mean they've had a past, we
don't know what the future is, and that that relationship
and it's always someone that you have to start looking initially.
Is the last person that saw her? Export friend was
on the flight with her.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
You know, that's one thing alexis Tereshchuk.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
That's the last thing I would want to break up
with a man. And then there he is sitting beside
me on a five hour flight or however long it
is from Hawaii to LA Like, right there, you break
up with him, and there he is.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
But correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
But he made his connecting flight, didn't he which them?
Speaker 1 (05:00):
He did?
Speaker 5 (05:01):
He went on to New York. They only had about
an hour layover in Los Angeles. He got onto the
next plane.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
She did not okay, you joining us from La Alexis.
If you could just describe the LA airport, and you
know there's that stretch Alexis which is underground. It's a
long I mean you can't even see the end of it.
When you're getting off one plane and you're going elsewhere,
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you have to go in a long underground tunnel where
you lose cell reception very often. You know that spot
in La. Yes, so Lax is a mad house.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
It's crazy, and.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
It's seven terminals and it's not like the Atlanta airport
where you have that train that moves you from terminal
to terminal. You have to walk everywhere in Los Angeles,
so you walk underground from terminal to terminal, and it's
it's like a huge U shaped so to go from
terminal to terminal can take quite a long time if
you're walking it. It's just a gigantic airport.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
And when you're trying to make a connection, in one
hour your flight lands, then your next flight takes off
in one hour. That's almost impossible in Lax.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Okay, back to you.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Scott Iiker, founding member FBI Cellular Analysis Survey Team and
expert in missing people. Do you believe the fact that
the boyfriend actually catches his connecting flight excludes him because
apparently police do.
Speaker 8 (06:33):
That takes a little bit more of investigative work. You
don't know what happened prior to the flight, if he
was involved in maybe you know, drugging her or something
simple like that. She got off the plane, went to
you know, disappeared after that, he made it further onto
the connecting flight. What happened in between in that forty minutes?
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Okay, let me think about what Scott Iiker just said.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Joining me is Brandt, in addition to Alexis Tereschuk, Scott Iiker,
and Gregory Morrise IRV former Senior Inspector US Marshall Service
International Investigations Branch, author of a series of books on
Amazon about Jack Solo, the first being Solo Shot Curse
of the Blue Stone. Okay, hold on, IRV. Do you
(07:22):
remember when you and I investigated Caitlin Armstrong, the so
called glam a yoga instructor number one. She killed Mariah,
a beautiful, young world class dirt.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Bike rider who was happening to be in town for
a race.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Dear, there's Caitlin at the airport and I believe that
that is. Let's see, it's not Leguardia, it's not JF Kay,
that's got to be the airport. That's got to be Newark's.
Speaker 6 (07:53):
It's Liberty International in Newark.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Uh huh. Yes. Now remember how Caitlin Armstrong who had
just murdered Moe.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Just because Moe had a hamburger with Armstrong's boyfriend. Yeah,
all this over a hamburger. That said, they caught her
every move. She was using her sister's passport. She went
on to hide out in Costa Rica, and you actually
called it weeks before she was caught. IRV Brandt down
(08:27):
there teaching surfing yoga. She had plastic surgery on her face,
changed her hair, going by a different name, but the
US marshals found her, HERV Brandt.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
What I'm leading up to.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Is, look at her.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
They had her every move, not once, but in two airports.
I mean, the only place with more video surveillance than
an airport may be a Vegas casino or target. Of course,
who has the best surveillance video ever, That said, IRV Garantee,
you law enforcement has pulled the video in lax and
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watched the boyfriend's every move of.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
That I have no doubt Nancy, like the other panelists,
said that you're going to focus primarily on a relationship
person first until you rule them out. And I'm sure
that the FBI and the LAPD tracked the boyfriend's movements
across the airport, made sure he did get on the flight,
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then probably tracked his movements in New York to confirm
that he wasn't no longer a person of interest in
this case.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
You know, I'm thinking about Lax Earth and everybody on
the panel also joining us renowned psychologist Karen Stark. Karen Stark,
I'm going to circle back to you, because last thing
you want is your ex popping up in the seat
beside you.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
God forbid it.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Be a middle seat that said this woman, gorgeous beauty
out of Hawaii. Guess as far as Lax then seemingly
vanishes between flights, the first place you look in an airport,
Scott Iker, how.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Do you I mean lax is over five acres.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Where do you start looking for her in an airport?
The bathrooms, the lounges, the restaurants, But it should be
easily spotted there, So then you have to go behind
the scenes, behind the doors, that say employees only.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I mean, how do you do it?
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Scott?
Speaker 8 (10:38):
Well, as you said, those cameras in the airports are
just fantastic, And I mean you have a starting point,
you know, the exit from the plane into the terminal,
then you just follow that person hopefully. I mean, I've
been to lax It's it's a nutt place and it's
just so many people I can see. It might be difficult,
but still possible to follow it through the terminal. She
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goes you away from the airplane itself and then to
other parts of the airport itself.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
The search for Hannah riddled with mystery.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
She leaves Maui scheduled to catch a flight at lax
a flight to New York City, but missed it because
of a short layover. According to her family, police working
with the family to find her in a desperate search.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
So what happens next?
Speaker 9 (11:38):
Thirty year old Hannah Kobeya She is on a bucket
list trip from her home in Hawaii to New York.
She is going to visit an ant in Upstate New
York and take photos at a DJ show in Brooklyn.
Kobeyashi plans the trip with her boyfriend, but they break
up before the trip.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Unable to get a refund.
Speaker 9 (11:54):
They agree to fly together to New York and go
their separate ways upon arrival. Hannah and her ex arrive
at Los Angeles International Airport on Friday at nine pet
fifty three pm, and I have a connecting flight to
JFK in New York scheduled for eleven pm.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
What happened to a Hawaiian beauty? On her bucket list trip?
She takes a photo of Simon in New York. She
finally gets to go see the city. She gets to
La Lax Airport and then vanishes.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Something is very wrong with this scenario.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Then I hear Alexis Tereschuk that she's at the airport overnight.
She's waiting for an early morning flight hopefully, and then
suddenly she pops up at the grove. Hold on, I
need a shrink, Karen Stark joining me. We're now a psychologist,
TV radio trauma expert and consultant. If you're looking for
her online, she's at Karenstark dot com. Karen with the
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Sea Karen. A lot of this isn't making sense to
me now, she travels with the X.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Even though they're broken up. At first I was hung
up on that.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Then I found out they couldn't get a refund, so
you know that, to grin and bear it. He goes
on to catch his flight in No La. Law enforcement
has looked at all the surveillance of him leaving his
flight and walking just like we saw Caitlin Armstrong every
step of.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
The way to his connecting flight. He made it.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
He is not a suspect. But why this is the
part I don't get. When you're trying to catch a
flight to get to your destination, why do you leave
the airport and decide to get shopping at a mall?
It's an outdoor mall's famous, So I don't get that part.
Speaker 10 (13:38):
Well, Nancy, that's the part that everyone is wondering about,
and it certainly seems like somebody else may have been involved,
because it doesn't make sense. And the only thing I
can think of is that she's being coerced or manipulated.
Somebody has her with some kind of Stockholm syndront trauma
bonding and she can't leave, and they are making her
(14:00):
go to these destinations to have it seen that things
are normal.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Hold on right there, you know much as much as
I'd love to dive down that rabbit hole with you,
let me just get the bus at the weeds and
back in the middle of the road. Because isn't it
true Alexis Terreschuk that while at the grove she takes
pictures off herself and sends them to her aunt, and
(14:28):
there's nobody coersing her.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
She looks happy.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
Yes, she went to the grove two days in a row,
so she lands on Friday night. She goes to the
grove on Saturday, and the next time we see her again,
she's back at the grove. For this is the Lebron
James event at the Nike store.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Okay, now the story becomes even more bizarre. How do
Tero card.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Readings fit into Hannah's disappearance.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Listen.
Speaker 11 (14:55):
On the evening of Saturday, November ninth, Hanna Kobyashi makes
two venmo payments. One payment is me at six twenty
five pm to a woman named Veronica Almandarz. The payment
includes a description of a bow and arrow emoji. Less
than one hour later, at seven nineteen pm, Kobyashi makes
a venmo payment to Jonathan Taylor. In the subject line
of the second venmo payment, is the word reading.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Okay, Alexis ter Aschuk.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Tarot card readings number one, I don't believe in them.
Number two I had one done during the Atlanta Olympics
as a lark. A defense attorney also read tarot cards,
and as a lark, I said, okay, read my cards,
and he said, in nineteen ninety six, you will marry
(15:42):
a man that's already in your life many years from now,
and you will have twins, a boy and a girl.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Really, that was ninety six.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Two thousand and seven, I married David, who I've known
since my senior year of college, and we had two children,
a boy and a girl. Still don't believe in it, okay,
because I can't bring it into evidence in court of law.
I hear Greg remorse high profile along going.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
But tell me where does she get a tarot card reading?
Speaker 5 (16:20):
I mean they're everywhere. There's so the grove is a
shopping district, This is a the malls of the middle.
There are streets north and south, east and west of there.
It's the Melrose district. Tarot card readings all up and
down the street where she could walk to any of them.
This is not this is a busy area. She could
find it anywhere along those streets.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Okay, that's leading me somewhere else to IRV Brandt. Now
I've got her leave. She's left the airport. She's at
the grove, not one day, but two days, still planning
to catch a flight. Now she leaves and wanders down
the side of his street and gets a Tarot card reading.
Now it sounds to me like she's just kicking back,
(17:02):
enjoying herself, like you would at a street festival, going
into the various stalls, maybe eating, taking pictures. Unlike what
Karen Stark just said, I am not buying any sudden
Stockholm syndrome or trauma bonding. She's being gone forty eight
hours and still everything seems to be on track. But
(17:22):
we know she's going to go back to lax to
catch another flight.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
So what do you make of this turn of events?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
She's walking along a street near the grove and has
a tarot card reading and pays for it with a venmo.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
Nancy, I don't find that unusual if you were going
to be in Los Angeles for a couple of days
and you were going to continue on and she went
to a place like the Grove and like you said,
maybe just past the time waiting for a flight, and
she's interested in tarot card readings, and so she stopped
(18:01):
for a reading. I don't find that unusual. I'm sure
investigators on the case or trying to find if there's
video of her, they.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Found the tarot card reader, they found him or brand.
His name is Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
But what I find probative.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Is that I've got her sending a Venmo at seven
nineteen and it has reading written on it.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
We know who it goes to, we know where she is.
So that's pretty strong.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Evidence she's alive and well two days later at seven nineteen.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
But Venmo has been a source of evidence in other cases.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Does anyone remember Deborah Callier, the Georgia mom who leaves
her house with her car, keys, debit card, everything. The
last we know of her is a Venmo.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
Deborah Collier leaves her house with her car, keys and
debit card, drives to a dollar store an hour from
her home. Is seen on video in the store and
in the parking lot. She sends a twenty three hundred
dollars VENMO payment to her daughter, Amanda Beard, with the
cryptic message they are not going to let me go.
Love you. There's a key to the house in the
blue flower pot by the door. Beard says she wasn't
(19:17):
expecting money and calls Collier right away, but gets no answer.
Debra Collier has vanished, her daughter and husband reporter missing,
and police begin the investigation focused on the Venmo payment.
Speaker 9 (19:29):
Sunday, November tenth, Hannah Kobayashi is back at the Grove
in downtown Los Angeles in a scene on a video
posted to YouTube but the Lebron James trial experience at
the Nike Store. A photo of the event is posted
on kobe Yashi's Instagram. Hannah had been texting with family members,
telling them she couldn't wait to get to New York
and it was a nightmare trying to get another flight
(19:50):
back to.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Gregory Morse joining US partner King Ann Morse palm beat Gregory.
The significance of this, I mean, we know she went
to the Nike store and this video is for the
Lebron James trial experience, and that is at the Nike store.
But her posting of this video on YouTube gives me
(20:15):
another hard time in my timeline scenario. And she has
provided all that herself from the Venmo to the posting,
so we have her alive and well Sunday, November tenth.
I mean, I don't see anything odd about it. I
don't think anyone's controlling her. I don't think anyone has
(20:36):
abducted her and is making her go to the Lebron
James trial experience. I think we can count on that
as being a significant factor in our timeline.
Speaker 7 (20:46):
I think it's significant, but I think it also can
be seen as a problematic that she may have been
being controlled.
Speaker 6 (20:56):
You know, there's connections of her.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
She being controlled because she said the Lebron James experience.
Speaker 7 (21:03):
Well, when you look at the picture, she does not
look happy. She does not look like she wants to
be there, in the sense that she's not smiling, hands raised,
or showing excitement for this. It's an odd event to
go to if you had a connecting flight to New.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
York, Greg Morse, So your theory, let's just follow this
through to its logical conclusion, to the dead end.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
I'm about to explain, Greg Morris, you're saying.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
This someone is controlling her. They've abducted her, and they've
taken her to the Lebron James experience. Okay, so they
kidnap her, not to rape her, not to get money
from her, not to kill her out of some thrill
kill desire, but they kidnap her to force her to
go to the Lebron James experience experience.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Is that what you're saying.
Speaker 7 (21:52):
That's exactly what I'm saying, potentially, And it seems like
that could have occurred to make her seem like.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
She's doing off going to be happy with you because
that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Well, I think there's a chance for you to retract it.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
She was kidnapped to force her to go to the
Lebron James Experiment.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Is that you're going to stick with that.
Speaker 7 (22:13):
I'm going to stick with that because from everything else,
it seems like she's not intentionally doing that. Someone is
trying to create the impression that this girl is fine.
And I go back to the ex boyfriend who was
with her on a connecting flight but didn't go with
her to the connecting flight. That is very bizarre.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Let let's just rule him out to make Greg Moos happy.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Alexis Tereschuk. At the time that this photo was.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Taken in front of the Lebron James trial, experiment.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
The boyfriend has. This is two days later. The boyfriend
is already where he was going.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
He's at his destination. She's alive, and he's in another jurisdiction.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
He went to New York. He made a flight. He
actually has spoken with the police. They have They said
that he has been very helpful and they do not
believe that he is involved in this at all. He
has no knowledge of what is going on.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Where is Hanna Kobyaishi? Friends, family, police are stumped? Family desperate. Then,
after she's spotted at the grove and the Lebron James experiment,
an odd twist, the text that she is sending to
friends and family suddenly don't sound like her at all.
Speaker 11 (23:31):
Listen, Hanna Kobyashi's family is concerned about odd text messages
they are getting from Hannah because the messages don't sound
like her. The messages use terms like hun and babe
and saying someone is trying to steal her identity and
all of her funds. The messages also don't include any emojis,
something everyone knows to expect from a text message coming
(23:51):
from Hannah Kobyashi.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
You know, Greg.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Moore's high profile lawyers tried a lot of cases there
is the reality of routine evidence. And again by that,
I don't mean stereotypical or run of the meal evidence.
I mean evidence of someone's routine. If I were to
(24:15):
send you a two paragraph text, you would know I'm
dead and somebody's got my phone. My text are two sentences, max,
with a lot of abbreviations. This woman always included an emoji.
Always no emojis in this She started using pet names
(24:36):
like babe and Hun spelled hun as in Attila, the
hun as opposed to honey. They all noticed that was
totally unlike her, and I submit, and would submit even
in a court of law, that that is where my
true timeline begins.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
With these odd texts.
Speaker 7 (25:00):
Well, I don't think the timeline begins there, but I
do agree with you that those texts seem out of character.
According to her family, and we all know when something's wrong.
We've had a loved one or a friend send us
a text, Hey are you mad?
Speaker 6 (25:15):
This text off?
Speaker 7 (25:17):
We habits very quickly, and Hannah's family knew her habits.
And it does seem like someone sent those texts to
try to make it seem like she's she is alive
and somewhere, even though they're negative texts that talk about
her disappearing, and that could all be a ruse to
let her family think something that's not true, and she's
(25:39):
somewhere else. So I think you're right. The texts are important,
but the timeline starts when she leaves Hawaii and then
goes from there, and these texts are one piece that
help describe this odd situation, and that's something is amiss
here with this with Hannah. I, of course referring to
the criminal timeline when I believe that something went awry
(26:03):
with Hannah.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
This has happened before, and we can prove that it's
evidence of wrongdoing.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Remember Gabby Patito.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
On August twenty seventh, twenty twenty one, it's believed that
Brian Laundry sent a text to Nicole Schmidt in which
he refers to Gabby Patito's grandfather stand by name. Gabby
Patito never called her grandfather by this name. Calling your
grandfather by their first name and not a common nickname
like Papa or grandpa or something like that was very
very unorthodox, and Nicole Schmidt had very very strong feelings
(26:33):
connected to that text message that something wasn't right that
something was drastically wrong.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
I mean, these texts get really bizarre. Let's see that
visual of the text. Deep hackers wiped my identity, stole
all of my funds. Have had me on a mind
f since Friday. I got tricked into giving away all
my funds for someone.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
I thought I loved that she's no longer replying to
messages from family and friends. No new messages are coming
to their phones. At that point, family reports her missing
to Alexis Tereschuk. Family and friends thought everything was fine
up until this point. At this point, they reach out
(27:21):
to police, they file a missing person's report, and they
begin to blanket social media.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
Describe they put out that the local police put out
a message on their social media. They put say that
she is a missing woman here in Los Angeles. It
was on the local news and it has been all
over TikTok, Instagram. I don't know about Twitter, but it's everywhere.
And here's the thing. She's beautiful, young, she has lots
(27:48):
of friends. They are all worried about her now, and
her family has been very proactive. They've reached out to
multiple news stations to get the message out there that
she is missing.
Speaker 9 (27:58):
Family and friends of hannakobe Ykashi arrived in Los Angeles
to begin searching, reaching out to police and filing a
missing person report. They also cover social media and the
news media asking for help. It is determined that Hannah's
phone last pinged around four pm Monday, November eleventh, that
lax with no new activity, the phone has not been found.
The family obtained surveillance footage showing Hanna Kobyashi around the
(28:21):
Metro train station near Crypto dot Com Arena. In that video,
she appears to be accompanied by someone. The family posts
on social media that the video shows Hannah is not
alone and quote does not appear to be in good condition.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Okay, A lot to figure out from that news report.
To Scott Iiker, a founding member of the FBI Cellular
Analysis Team, former FBI twenty two years Scott.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Let's talk about the ping.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
The ping places her phone, which I believe is with
her back at LAX, but no new activity from the phone.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
We just get a ping.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Then you've got footage showing her at the Metro train
station at the Crypto dot Com arena.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
What is that telling you?
Speaker 2 (29:11):
I'm not sure if the surveillance video at Crypto Arena
is before or after the Lax ping Alexi Terestchuk which
one is first? That's important?
Speaker 5 (29:24):
The crypto dot com spotting is after she was at LAX.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
And how far is Crypto Arena from Lax.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
About ten miles not very.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Far, Okay, So what about it, Scott? Her phone is
pinged at the airport, then ten miles away she's at
a train station at Crypto Arena.
Speaker 8 (29:45):
Well, we know she went back to the airport to
try to get another flight to New York, so that
makes sense. And I think there was a text that
she was charged trying to charge her phone at one
of the places over by the growth.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
What is lap do you have to say? Listen?
Speaker 12 (30:00):
On Friday, November eighth, twenty three year old Hanna Kobayashi
missed her connecting flight from Lax to New York, which
the investigation determined was intentional. Over the next few days,
she maintained contact with her family and was active on Instagram. However,
the family last heard from Hannah on November eleventh, after
receiving concerning text messages and losing further contact. Her family
(30:23):
traveled to la on November thirteenth, then filed a missing
person report.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Alexis terrestik is my understanding the family. Hannah's family vehemently
disagrees with the LAPD, saying her missing her Connector flight
to NYC was intentional. They think she just missed the
flight and then went it to travel Hell.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
That's exactly right. They disagree with this. They say that
she missed her flight, she was trying to get back,
She was trying to get on another flight she went
back to LAX, that she was trying to continue on
because she had told them I'm going to go see
my aunt who still go to New York, and so
they believe her that that's what she says. They do
not believe that this was an intentional missing of the
flight and then hanging out from Los Angeles for no reason.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Then an extremely bizarre twist.
Speaker 11 (31:09):
After eleven days of searching for his daughter, Ryan Kobyashi
is found dead around four am near a parking structure
at LAX. The Los Angeles Medical Examiner says the cause
of death is multiple blunt force trauma injuries. Police confirmed
the fifty eight year old died after jumping off the
seventh floor of the parking structure. The family issues a
statement expressing grief and asking for the public to focus
(31:32):
on the search for Hanna kobyashi.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Crime Stores with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Alexis Tereschuk.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
This is a crazy, a bizarre twist in the disappearance
of the Hawaiian beauty Hannah Kobyashki.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
So let me understand. The father, who.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Has previously been stranged from Hannah, flies all the way
to lax and starts looking for her and then suddenly
kills himself.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
He does. He flew to Los Angeles. He went to
the Crypto dot Com Center, it's the stadium used to
be the Stable Center in Los Angeles downtown, got together
with a lot of people, was on the press and
the news, trying to bring awareness for his daughter. He
searched for her. He searched all downtown, the downtown Los
Angeles area. This is one of the areas known as
skid Row. He was down there looking for her, searching,
(32:33):
literally feet on the ground, looking for his daughter in
all these really tough parts of town. And he was searching.
He was talking to anybody who had maybe seen her
because this was where she had been spotted, and trying
to find her and was unable to do so. Had
never had contact with her, and he spoke to the
media and he said, I have so much regret. I
was very much estranged with her, but all I want
(32:55):
to do now is helped to find her, to find
my little daughter. And he then and went back to
lax where it was the last time or she was
seen on video about twelve days before this. And then
he went on top of a parking structure, seventh floor,
and he jumped off and his body was found at
four o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
So straight out to IRV Brandt joining us form a
US Marshal Service.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
IRV, how do I know he jumped and wasn't pushed.
Speaker 6 (33:24):
Well, that's a good question, Nancy. It would appear that
the authorities, the FBI and the LAPD in the coroner's office,
believe it's a suicide, and I'm assuming that they have
something substantial to back that up. I would imagine it
would probably be something like maybe video from the parking
(33:47):
garage's most secure parking garages do have video cameras, and
if he was alone, there's pictures of him stepping up
on the wall, you know, with no one else around. Yeah,
you will push.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Let me let me follow up on that. Alexis Tarasca.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
The parking deck where the dad reportedly jumped to his death,
was that connected to the airport or near the airport?
Speaker 5 (34:14):
Yes, it was very near, Lax and I believe that they're.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Okay, we are there converdence surveillance. Okay, Alexis, I hope
you're sitting down. I've got another another curve ball to
throw at you at ninety mph. What is the Twin
Flames Cult and what, if anything does it have to
do with Hannah.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
So the Twin Flames Cult is an organization that was
started by this couple and they are they were in
Hawaii and they have started this organization where they tell
people that they have a twin flame, and it's based
on an old book from eighteen hundreds that so you
match with somebody who are a twin and you both
have intense feelings for each other. But they encourage people
(34:55):
to not only and they the founders of this cult.
They are the ones that select who the twin flame
is for you. So you say you joined this, and
they say, we knew who this person is, but it
can possibly be not even somebody within the organization. So
they say, this is your twin flame. You must go
after them. You must make them love you and make
them realize that this So, Hannah had followed quite a
(35:18):
few people that were involved in this cult on her
Instagram page and people this has been very suspicious that
perhaps that this had a connection because they are their
headquarters for their organization are listed in Carlsbad, California, which
is about ninety minutes south of Los Angeles. It's just
north of San Diego, and this is where this is located.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
There are other texts that are alarming and Karen start
joining us renowned psychologist. They're very disturbing to me because
I don't think she wrote them.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
They say things like quote.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Matrix underworld girl and that she would never have written
matrix underworld girl. This is way beyond me the friend rights.
Did you get Catfish? I said, dude, you were talking
to you on the internet. She says, no, we met.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
I can't explain all of it. Just be open with this, please.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
This is so beyond anything that Hannah Kobyashi would ever
have written. That would be like me telling you my
mind had been hijacked and I was going through some
matrix shiit Okay, you would know I did not send that,
(36:41):
and that's what her family and friends are getting.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
This woman is gone. She's not sending these texts.
Speaker 10 (36:48):
Well, you know, Nanty, if you sent that to me,
I would think to myself, either it's not you or
something terrible has happened to you and your personality is changing.
And I think both of those possibility, because something awful
is going on with Anna, And in fact, it very
well could be that she broke up with the boyfriend
(37:09):
who knows because there was someone else that she fell
in love with and it was somebody that she met there,
or she coincidentally met someone there who somehow manipulated her
and did things to her that she doesn't understand, and
she's losing her sense of self. And that is a
strong possibility to me that something is going on that
(37:31):
we don't understand, but she doesn't understand either. Someone is
manipulating her, coercing her and making her do things that
she would not normally do, and she's confused, anxious, desperate.
Speaker 12 (37:47):
On November fifteenth, our Missing Persons Unit assumed investigative responsibility.
Detectives have been diligently reviewing video surveillance and employing various
investigative techniques to locate Hannah while her family has continued
their personal search efforts. Tragically, on November twenty fourth, during
the search for his daughter, Hannah's father, Ryan Kobayashi, was
found deceased. Preliminary findings indicate his death was by suicide.
(38:12):
Our hearts go out to the Kobayashi family during this
unimaginable time of grief. We remain fully committed to locating
Hannah and supporting the family as they navigate their way
through this tragedy.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
This case has had so many twists and turns it's
hard to make sense and determine what's fact and what's fiction.
Amongst the Twin Flames cult claims now conspiracy theories about
African hackers, Greg remorse, isn't it true you discover that
Twin Flames cult is actually headquartered or somehow incorporated in Karlsbath.
Speaker 7 (38:53):
That's correct. Ten Flames, when they filled out their nonprofit
forms for the government, was listed in addressing Carlsbad, California,
which is in the San Diego area. And you know
her conduct, her texts, her leaving the airport going to
(39:14):
do different things is in line with people.
Speaker 10 (39:17):
Who you know.
Speaker 7 (39:18):
Get whether the word is duped, whether it get sucked
in to a cult and they act very bizarre, you know,
it's you know, Jim Jones was a real person. Jim
Jones caused people to do horrible things to themselves because
they were desperate and they thought that was an answer.
And this could very much be what this young lady
is dealing with right now, especially with a nonprofit about
(39:42):
finding your soulmate and we'll pick it for you. I
mean this, this screams of you know, cult trying to
control in the van of koresh or Jim Jones, and
it's and she could be very well down that rabbit hole.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Alexis Terraschuk does she have any non connection to twin Flames?
Speaker 5 (40:03):
She follows people on her Instagram account that are involved
with twin Flames, but right now there's no specific connection
that she's involved in, but she follows the moment.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
What about the theory that African hackers are involved in
her disappearance. It's one thing to steal your money's another
thing to make you go completely missing in the airport.
Speaker 5 (40:23):
This is what people are worried about, that somebody has
hacked into her account. She's saying, all of my money
has been stolen, my identity has been changed. I can't
get anywhere. She seems like she's very desperately upset about
everything that's happening. She hasn't sent screenshots of, say, you know,
her bank account showing that she has no money. But
she also isn't anywhere. She's not going anywhere and getting
any help doing anything, even calling her parents and saying
(40:45):
her mom now saying I am here in Los Angeles,
please come and get me.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
So the characterization of her going missing at LAX is
not entirely true. I think before his death, the father
was on the right track. We're not going to find
her in some closet at LAX. She's long been gone
from LAX the La Airport. If you know or think
(41:14):
you know anything about the disappearance of Hannah Kobayashi, please
dial toll free eight hundred two two two eight four
seven seven repeat eight hundred two two two eight.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Four seven seven. Where is Hannah Kobayashi.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Nancy Gray signing off, goodbye friend,
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