September 4, 2025 • 49 mins
The so-called "missing minute" from the security camera video of the jail tier where sexual predator Jeffrey Epstein died has been found and made public. This as new New Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell survivors speak out. The survivors say they are compiling their own list of Epstein's associates, forming their own black book to distribute to the public, even as they call for lawmakers to release more files. On Tuesday evening, 33,000 pages and several videos were made public by the House of Representatives Oversight Committee, which had subpoenaed the DOJ. Two members of the House, Republican Thomas Massie of Kentucky and Democrat Ro Khanna of California, are trying to force a vote on compelling the DOJ to release all documents.
Speaking at an event in Washington DC, the survivors called for the release of all Epstein files as victims describe the 'disturbing world' of Jeffrey Epstein. Annie Farmer, now 46, says she was taken to New Mexico at 16 and her sister reported the abuse, but nothing was done. During the presser, victims stood in front of a sign that read: "Epstein Files Transparency Act," the name of a bill that some lawmakers want to pass in Congress.
Joining Nancy Grace today,
- Greg Morse - Criminal Defense Attorney of Morse Legal, author of “The Untested” found on Amazon; website: morselegal.com
- Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst, Author: "Deal Breaker,” featured in hit show: "Paris in Love" on PEACOCK,
- www.drbethanymarshall.com , Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, Twitter: @DrBethanyLive
- Lynn Shaw - Founder and Executive Director of Lynn's Warriors - an organization committed to ending human trafficking and sexual exploitation, Host of Lynn's Warriors on YouTube, website: lynnswarrior.org, X: @lynns_warriors, YouTube: @LynnsWarriors
- Dr. Kendall Crowns - Chief Medical Examiner Tarrant County (Ft Worth), Host of NEW Podcast "Mayhem in the Morgue”, Lecturer: Burnett School of Medicine at TCU (Texas Christian University)
- Barry Levine - Author of “The Spider: Inside the Tangled Web of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell,” and Veteran Investigative and Editor in Print and Television
- Sydney Sumner- Crime Stories Investigative Reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Epstein Bombshell. The so called
missing minute, a prison video, miraculously is found and it
reveals movement around Epstein's cell just before his death.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to
thank you for being with us. Lies, Lies, Lies. What
are they hiding?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Did you know of the existence of any such list?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
There is no nest.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
To be sure, there is no list.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
There's no client list.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Nothing like that.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
You know, bombshell, The so called missing minute of epstein
jailhouse video has been found. Let's see the video. The
video that we have been told was just a glitch.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Well that's not true. That has been disproven.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
We were told over and over by the US Attorney
General Bondie that the missing minute was not missing at all.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
It was all just a.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Quote jump, a jump for the daily reset that happened
every twenty four hours.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
That was a lie.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Joining us an all star panel to makes sense of
what we know tonight, this as Epstein victims storm DC,
demanding justice, claiming that they and their so called clients,
the abusers, are in those documents. Well, then there is
(01:55):
a client list straight out to Barry Levine, joining us
author of a now bestseller, The Spider Inside the Tangled
Web of Jeffrey Epstein and Elaine Maxwell, veteran investigative and
print reporter, at Capitol Hill yesterday when the victims stormed
DC First Bury.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Before I get to the victims, well, this.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Proves that we have been lied to, as if we
didn't already know that there is a missing minute, and
it shows a cluster of activity around Jeffrey Epstein's jail cell.
Other video that has also been released shows him pursue
it to what witnesses have said that have been discounted,
(02:40):
being taken to the bathroom to make a cell phone
call from the bathroom.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I mean, this is so.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Incendiary, but I want to get to the missing minute. Barry,
what do you make of it other than body flat
out live right to our faith.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
Well, Nancy, I have to tell you that I have
completely lost all trust in terms of the government, in
terms of this investigation. I don't know how we go
from where we are to where we need to be.
All I can think of is that at this point
we need to have some type of special prosecutor, an
(03:18):
independent prosecutor brought in that can bring together all of
this bringing in independent forensic video experts. Let's take this
video apart, second by second, let's enhance it. Let's do
what we have to do to see exactly what we
(03:41):
have to work with here. And I have to tell you,
Nanthy that the statements that the conflicting statements that have
come out of the Department of Justice related to this
specific video have tied themselves up in knots. This is
a situation that needs complete unraveling, and it's a it's
(04:06):
turned into an absolute circus. I can't believe.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Now we're going to talk about what you think this
video reveals, Barry, what do you believe other than Pam
Bondi is totally lying. I mean that's been clear from
the beginning. I don't like attacking our government, the administration
that the people elected.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
I don't like that. But she lied.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
She told us first the client list was on her desk.
I'm going to play that. I've got her on video
saying that.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Then she says there is no client list.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Then all of the lies about there is no missing
minute a video. This man was killed, Okay, he did
not commit suicide. Now we find out missing time on
that video.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Not only was concealed, but.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
They lied about it, and of course Barry hold on
just a moment to Greg Morris joining me, veteran criminal
defense attorney, author of the Untested on Amazon. Greg, before
you attack what I'm saying, haven't you found it to
be true, whether when you were a prosecutor or now.
When someone is lying about something that usually indicates a
(05:25):
nefarious purpose, why lie about it if they weren't worried
about it, Why lie to my face and say it
didn't exist, It didn't happen. It was just a jump,
a glitch in the system. That's total bs. And they've
had this all along, Greg, all along.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Look, I'm not asking you.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
To take a political side, because I don't care about politics.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
What I'm saying is they had.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
The video, they lied about the video, and it shows
a cluster of movement around Epstein's cell at the time.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
He was killed.
Speaker 6 (05:59):
Sosolutely right. There's something is covered up here. Now it
may turn out that it's an innocuous thing that created
this glitch, but it's also interesting to note that the
part that was missing is where there's movement the whole night.
There's no movement of the guards really, and then all
of a sudden the one minute, So yes, you're one
(06:19):
hundred percent right, there is something and I'm an expert
in digital evidence. I speak on it around the country.
This is an easy thing to see. And it's also
the government's excuse that it was a general time glitch
because they re record doesn't make any sense given when the.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Time was missing.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
So of course something's excluded, it's been uncovered. That tells
you that something is being hidden here, whether it's to
a crime or not, something is being hidden here.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
You know the cover up points to a nefarious intent
because as you just pointed out, which I find very
very probative, Morse, it's not just somebody going by with
the trash can. It's not nothing where everything is calm
and quiet.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
There's no movement.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
It's actually movement around his cell. That's bad Morse, It's
very bad.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
And they also the way it was described is it
looks like the person is going out of what they
call the shoe, the special housing unit. Yet you don't
know that they could have easily gone to a cell.
So that explanation tells me even more support that this
was done intentionally because they're trying in real time to
fix the problems with the full video.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Oh yeah, it's a cover up. There's no reason to
do this exactly.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
And again I don't care red blue Democrat Republican. What
I care about is that we are being lied to
and what I believe to be.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
A murder investigation.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
And as the victims point out NBC in the last hours,
why is Jeffrey Epstein being protected?
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Why is this shrouded.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
As secrecy when the victims are not being protected? I
want to go straight out to doctor Kendall Crowns, joining
as chief medical Examiner Terrance.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
County, host of a new hit podcast.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Mayhem in the more esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School
of Medicine at TCU, Doctor Kendall Crowns, the one thing,
well among so many, that has disturbed me from the beginning,
is the ligature mark on Epstein's neck. Okay, I'm taking
everybody to DC in just a moment. We're gonna hear
(08:30):
everything that the victims had to say. But regarding Epstein,
why this missing moment is so important? The ligature mark,
as you and I have discussed, doctor Kendall Crowns, it's
not in the traditional U shape or smiley face when
someone commits suicide by hanging or even moving.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Forward while seated.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Okay, we see a directly horizontal line, which indicates in
every case I've ever investigated, ligature strangling straight across, likely
from behind, and that is opposed to a hanging mark
that you get when the victim hangs themselves.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Thoughts, Well, I mean that's exactly correct. When you have
a horizontal line, it's more like someone took a ligature
and grabbed it behind their neck and pulled, Whereas when
you're hanged, the ligature has kind of an upward, canting
V shaped structure to it because there's a suspension point
above your head and the ligature is pulling up, so
(09:38):
you will see that change in shape. And when we
see the flat or horizontal line that you're describing, that
is more indicative of someone being strangled with ligature from
behind and less indicative of a hanging. And it is
very questionable because how would that have happened.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Doctor Kendall.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Crown's another question, how long at the middle minimum does
it take for someone to die by asphyxiation?
Speaker 3 (10:04):
About three to five minutes or so. Somewhere in there,
you can go ten to thirty seconds with out air
and you'll go unconscious. Then your body will be sitting
there in the throes of lack of oxygen for the
next three to five minutes, and you'll be brain dead.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
I've never heard of anyone other than expert divers that
could go without oxygen for five minutes.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
You're set.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
That would be that would Hey, that's important.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
What we're looking at right now.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Hold on, doctor Crowds, everybody on the panel, look at
your screen right now, because I'm going to circle back
to how unorthodox what you're seeing right now is.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
I've been in I don't even know how many Seais
correctional institutes.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
This is not allowed, nobody, no prisoner is allowed to
have this much material in their cell because it is
a threat.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
It is a.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Suicide or homicide threat to the cell mate, the cell individual,
or people even walking by can be strangled with this.
This is totally totally disallowed. Look at this. That's absolutely
not kosher. That is not allowed in any facility. But
(11:21):
it was for Jeffrey Epstein or was it Okay? Back
to you, doctor kil Crimes. I'm gonna address what we're
seeing in the cell in just a moment. But doctor
Crown's you're telling me a human can go five full minutes,
not a deep sea diver or skin diver, but a
regular person Epstein's age, completely out of shape, can go
(11:43):
five minutes without breathing.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
So no, I was giving you a range of individuals,
but someone of Epstein's age probably have smoked I would
say three minutes an under before he's did.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
That is traditional thinking regarding how long a human can
live without oxygen.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Three minutes. Back to Barry Levine.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Joining us, I want to follow up on what doctor
Crown's just said. Levin, we're missing that we know of
one minute, all this cluster activity around Epstein's cell around
the time he died. There was time for him to
be strangled, for him to be asphyxiated.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Listen, Nancy.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
There, as I said, we need to do a new
investigation into his death. We need, as I called in
the New York Times opinion section recently, we need to
see not only the Epstein files, the investigative files, all
the stuff that was on the computers and the CDs.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Okay, you know what you are preaching to the choir
right now. If anybody else says we need to see
the files. I'm holding them in content. Of course, we
need to see the files. What I'm saying is this
time period when people were clustered around his seal. Why
was this held away from us? Why is it just
now coming out? What, if anything, does it reveal? Sidney
(13:12):
sun rejoining me, Crime Stories investigative reporter, Hey, Sidney, listen
to this.
Speaker 7 (13:17):
The House Oversight Committee has released over thirty three thousand
pages of Epstein related records and dozens of video and
audio recordings associated with the investigation, though committee members have
warned that, in addition to heavy redaction, over ninety seven
percent of the release is already public. Those diving into
the files have discovered interesting bits in the three percent
(13:39):
that is new. Most interesting, the missing minute of the
MCC surveillance footage has been found.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Hold on, sid Barry Levine. Did they think we wouldn't
notice if they dump thousands, thirty three thousand pages of
documents on us, though we won't notice the missing minute
buried in there?
Speaker 2 (13:59):
First of all, at least ninety seven.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Percent of that release was already out there, So why
bother did they think we wouldn't see the missing minute
in there?
Speaker 5 (14:10):
Listen, Nancy, this is all part of a cover up.
We need complete transparency. We need to know did they
do DNA testing on the bed sheets. We know that
there were at least five nooses that he or somebody
made in that jail cell, and one of them, of course,
he was found hanging, which was how the prison officers
(14:37):
found him when they entered the cell in the morning
to give him breakfast. But there were at least four
other nooses that had been made. We need to know
if there was DNA testing done on these nooses. Why
did he have so many orange bed sheets in his cell?
Why was the breathing apparatus that he had for sleep APNA,
which he could have also used, where somebody could have
(14:57):
used to strangle him in terms of that long why
was that there unattended. We have a great deal of questions.
We haven't seen the autopsy report, we haven't seen the
investigative file that the authorities created after his death to
answer some of these questions. So what I'm saying is
the missing minute is the it is now the alarm
(15:21):
going off. This is this is a serious, serious situation
that the government needs to address and needs to tell
us why that was held back, what it shows, and
as your guest was saying, we need.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
What we've had to go through just to get the minute.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Barry, Hey, Sidney Sumner, I want to follow up on
what Barry is saying, and I want to see the video. Okay,
the video we're talking about, Sidney Sumner.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
What does the video depict.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Well, according to the government, the video depicts the material handler,
this unnamed employee who is also on shift at the
time of Toba Noel, leaving to go home. So they
are claiming that this is an employee who just finished
his shift and is heading home for the night, and
(16:13):
he walks off screen toward the main entest of the
shoe and does not approach Epstein's cell. That's what they
tell us is happening. But of course the angle of
this video is just absolutely horrible. It really doesn't show
us much of anything. So it's really unclear if he
did head out the main entrance of the shoe or
(16:35):
could that person have gone up to where Epstein was
being housed.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
We don't know, well, Sadie Sumner.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Obviously there is more than one person in that area
around Epstein's cell. It's not just one person leaving for
the night. There are more people there, and what we
are being told is there is a cluster of movement
outside Epstein's cell.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Well, so what we can see in the video, these
are the bottom of the stairs leading up to Epstein's
cell block, so we can just barely see a sliver
of that staircase. And earlier in the previous release of
this surveillance video, we all saw that orange blob and
again they told us that that person was actually heading
(17:19):
up towards that cell block carrying it was an employee
apparently carrying inmate linens or an inmate uniform. And of
course we're all screaming, bs, that's somebody in an inmate
uniform walking up that staircase. So it's a very unclear angle.
But you're right, it doesn't look like just one person.
(17:40):
So this new explanation for what's happening in the missing minute.
And they haven't provided us an explanation as to why
Bondie lied about this, of course, but that's what they're
claiming is happening, just one employee heading home for the night.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
All along we have had nothing but lies, lies. So
the question is why listen.
Speaker 8 (18:04):
What you're going to see, hopefully tomorrow is a lot
of flight logs, a lot of names, a lot of information.
But it's pretty sick what that man did. A source
had told me where the documents were being kept, Southern
District of New York. Shock. So we got them all by,
(18:25):
hopefully all of them Friday at eight am, thousands of
pages of documents. I have the FBI going through them.
Director Patel is going to get us a detailed report
as to why the FBI withheld all of those documents.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
From our friends at Fox Gilainne Maxwell. Are we going
to believe her?
Speaker 1 (18:43):
She denies as a client list, she denies there was trafficking.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
She's denying every single thing.
Speaker 9 (18:50):
There is no list, there is no I'm not aware
of any blackmail.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
I never heard. I never heard that, I never saw it,
and I I never imagined it.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Many, not all, of the Epstein victims storming DC this
weekend demanding justice.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Listen to just one of them.
Speaker 10 (19:12):
I was only fourteen years old when I met Jeffrey.
It was the summer of high school. I was working
three jobs to try to support my mom and my
sister when a friend of mine in the neighborhood told
me that I could make three hundred dollars to give
an older guy a massage. It went from a dream
job to the worst nightmare. Jeffrey assistant Leslie Groff would
(19:37):
call me and tell me that I needed to be
at the house so often that I ended up dropping
out of high school before ninth grade and I never
went back. From fourteen to seventeen years old, I went
and worked for Jeffrey instead of receiving an education. Every
day I hoped that he would offer me a real
job as one of his assistant or something something important.
(20:04):
I would finally have made it big as like we
say the American dream. That day never came. I had
no way, I had no way out. I was until
you finally told me that I.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Was too old. She was too old. He started having
sex with her.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
That's tat story rape when she's fourteen years old than
she what aged out that from at Rep. Thomas Massey
on X Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Doctor Bethany Marshall
(20:47):
before I go to Barry Levine, who was there in
the midst of the victim speaking out. Doctor Bethany renowned
psychoanalyst out of LA You can see her on Peacock.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
She is author of Deal breaker.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
And you can find her doctor Bethany Marshall dot com,
Doctor Bethany Marshall. So when she said I wanted a
real job, I would finally have made it big, the
American dream. So this little girl, fourteen, hoping to one
day make it big with a billionaire, endured statutory rape
(21:24):
for three years before she aged out, and then he
tipped her like you'd leave a twenty at the waffle house.
Speaker 11 (21:31):
Seriously, this is the type of predating pattern that Gilan
Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein engaged in. They went out and
they found underaged girls who were from families who had
lower socioeconomic status because they could lure those girls in
more easily. And it's very typical with pedophiles that when
(21:53):
the child ages out, they go to increasingly younger victims
aging out.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Aging out to Lynn Shaw joining US, founder and director
of Lynn's Warriors, dedicated to ending sex trafficking of.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Girls and women. I'm going to go back to Bethany
in a moment, Lynn.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
But aging out, I want you to explain what this
woman is saying.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Marina Lecido, what she was saying, she's now an.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Adult, she was a child victim of statutory rape, repeat
rape by Epstein. He pled guilty and got a swat
on the hand down in Florida.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Thanks Acosta.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
All of this has been corroborated, and her name and
other clients associated with her have got to be in
those files. But I want you to explain why. From
what you know battling sex trafficking, she's telling the truth.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
She is absolutely telling the truth.
Speaker 12 (22:54):
I have waited for this day, Nancy, because what we've
been witnessing over all these years is nothing short of
an sh fill in the blank, fill in the blank
show okay. Aging out a common phrase used in sex trafficking.
We have always heard about miners involved with Maxwell, with
Jeffrey Epstein. It's hard for me to even say their names.
(23:15):
Yet there was a little coverage about the miners at all.
So now we finally have this coming forward. This is
a common tactic, getting in with those young vulnerable girls eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen,
stringing them along, and then when they hit sixteen, seventeen,
definitely eighteen, aged out. You are too old. You are
thrown aside like an old shoe in the street. I
(23:36):
am tired of this. I am tired of this lie.
After lie after lie with this case, Let's bring it
forward and I'll tell you this crime is too big,
too ugly. It is not going to disappear because we
have strong survivors, We have advocates like Lynd's Warriors that
are standing up to all of this and this will
not go away. So as far as ag Bondi Cash
(23:58):
Fatteo with the FBI, they have all into canaworms and
it's only going to get worse from here. But I
want to leave with this thought for everybody. Please, we
must think and commend these strong now women coming forward
sharing bravely, because this is the hardest thing working with
victims and survivors. They tell me to actually in public
tell their stories. So let's all thank them. But let's
(24:20):
hear more about the miners and let's get the files.
I'm so tired of this file talk. What is going
on here? Everything's redacted anyway, let us put the emphasis
on the survivors, the victims of these two criminals, and
let's get going. Let's end this once and for all.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Doctor Bethany Marshall, the theory of aging out. What I'm
doing right now, Doctor Bethany, is I'm looking for corroboration,
corroboration of what these now adult victims are saying. Number one,
what she, Marina Lecardo and the others described is text
book trafficking of young girls, textbook every word.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
She said, I'm like, yeah, up.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Check check check check of the sex trafficking and statutory
rape cases I investigated and prosecuted.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Could you explain the veracity what she's saying?
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Why is true that she says she waited and waited
and waited for her big break and kept screwing Epstein. Oh,
an old man naked on a massage table, and Elaine
Maxwell brings her in there like the Thanksgiving turkey. Then
(25:31):
she says, as she's waiting for her big break putting
up with Epstein's sex advances, rape.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
He tells her.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
She ages out, I mean that's real, Bethany, What is that?
Speaker 11 (25:45):
Well, what it is is it confirms that Epstein is
a pedophile. Because pedophiles are only attracted to children, right,
So what happens is when the child gets older, the
pedophile is no longer attracted, So the pedophile has to
kick that person out and go to a newer, younger victim.
And in terms of this being like sex trafficking. It
(26:06):
is classic because here's what sex traffickers do. They find
a victim whose parents are too busy working or a
victim who needs money. They lure that person in with
false promises that they are going to take care of them.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Once the victim is.
Speaker 11 (26:22):
Ensnared in the web, then they begin to predate on
the victim, rape the victim, have other people rape the victim,
but then they pass the child around so that they
can get financial benefit off of the victim. And what
we see with all those transfers going in and out
of accounts to Russia and all the clients that are
(26:44):
being brought in, Jeffreysteine is now having.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Narrow my question.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Okay, doctor Bethany, isn't it true that child molester's pedophiles
H one has a certain agee in.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Which they are interested.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
It could be babies, It could be infants that they
want them a list.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
It could be toddlers from one to three.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
It could be schoolgirls in their little uniform at age five. Okay,
it could be boys at that age, or it could
be pre pubescent girls from eleven to just say fifteen sixteen.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
That age, and they do not vary unless they have to.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
So when this now adult victim says, he told me,
after three years of raping me, I aged out, isn't
it true? Dr Bethany that that is consistent with pedophilic behavior.
Speaker 11 (27:47):
That is consistent with pedophilic behavior. And it also tells
us what age group he was predating upon, because she
was fourteen years old. So now we have a marker.
Now we know his type, and you are absolutely correct.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Pedophiles made me, One Bethany, his type, his type, you're
I'm not saying you're wrong, but to say his type,
these are girls, these are the age of my Lucy,
his type and I noticed her. What about this, Doctor
Bethany to corroborate what these women are now saying?
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Lavine heard it all. Remember just the other.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Day we reported and you and I analyzed, Ela Ain't
Maxwell saying yeah, I didn't really have sex with him
that much because he had a condition.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Yeah he was a pedophile.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
He didn't have sex with adult woman that clearly loved him.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
He didn't want that, oh hgwn. He wanted these little girls.
He couldn't.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I had to say it. He couldn't get an erection
with a grown woman.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
It had to be a little girl. When the little
girl ages out, hey hit the road. Well, dancy, that's
what we call it per version.
Speaker 11 (29:00):
Perversion is when you cannot get aroused through sex with
the same age partner. You only have to go towards
children or something other than a partner, like a whip
or a chain or a shoe or something like this.
So this is a classic perversion. And what he did
was he brought these little girls in. He predated upon
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them when they were at their most vulnerable age. But
he also they probably also groomed and stopped these little
girls so that they really could not get out of
the web. So yes, now we have the marker fourteen
years old. Now we know how they did it. It's
just it's all out there.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
This whole thing was manufactured. I believe it's literally if
they could. Gillie Maxwell is a court proven liar.
Speaker 11 (29:45):
Why is this liar being allowed to rewrite history when
we have a whole trial proving.
Speaker 12 (29:52):
That almost everything she says is one hundred percent a lie.
Speaker 9 (29:55):
I would like to announce here today us Epstein Survived
have been discussing creating our own list. We know the
names many of us were abused by them. Now together,
as survivors, we will confidentially compile the names we all
know who regularly and who are regularly in the epsteam world.
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And it will be done by survivors and for survivors.
No one else is involved.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
That fro. I'm at Rep. Thomas Massey on X.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
You are seeing the survivors in DC in the last
days demanding justice. Now, why you do rape victims have
to band together and ask our federal government to quit lying.
They are now getting together and compiling a client list,
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you know, the one that we've just been told, Yeah,
that doesn't exist. But woh whoa who wo correct me
if I'm wrong, didn't BONDI state she had the client
list right there on her desk.
Speaker 10 (30:58):
Listen, maybe releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients. Will
that really happen?
Speaker 8 (31:05):
It's sitting on my desk right now to review. That's
been a directive by President Trump, that from.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Our friends at Fox News, sitting on my desk right now.
Then we're told there is no client list. You want
to tell me those little girls now adult women, don't
know who was raping them. Barry Levine, help me help me. Now,
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isn't a true, Levine, that based on your research.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
And you didn't make this up.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
You got this from banks, you got it from flight logs,
you got it from individuals all the way up the
chain at the US Virgin Islands under our jurisdiction, that
Epstein flew and feried little girls and delivered them to
adult males like they were.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Pete says, just here, here you go, here's.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
The fourteen year old and the little girls were on
this island you're looking at right there, And what do
they even try to swim off and.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Couldn't make it? Isn't that true? And you want to
tell me, Levine.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Nobody knows all those freaky old guys' names, Nancy.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
They do know these names. And the fact that the
government isn't investigating these third parties is absolutely disgusting. I
was at the press conference. I was with the women.
The best thing that came out of it was the
fact that they themselves are going to draw up a
list of men who need to be investigated. And I
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asked Congressman Massey after the press conference, I said, what
will you do with that list? And he said, Marjorie
Taylor Green has volunteered to read that list. On the
House floor, and.
Speaker 7 (32:59):
He said that.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
He told me that he would be proud to also
read that list. He said, if it's read on the
House floor, there's legal protections given them for naming these names.
But we need to do this. It's said that we're
at this point now that it's going to take the
survivors themselves to draw up the list. Believer, then, because
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the government.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
I've got another idea, Levne.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Here's an idea, and I'm not sure the legal way
around it, but there is a legal way around it.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
And Morris is going to help me with that.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Sidney Sumner, based on what Barry Levne incredible about, guys,
the spider inside the tangle web of Jeffrey Epstein and
Gilaine Maxwell.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Sidney, you and I spoke.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
To a civil lawyer that represented nine a counting of
Epstein then little girl victims.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
They entered into civil suit settlements. Look at that smug
face of his. I could just rip his lips off.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Civil settlements and those girls could name corporate I guess
you would say clients of Epstein's that raped the little girls.
But he was bound by attorney client privilege. When they
took the settlement, they were bound with an NBA could
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never state the names of the men that raped them, remember.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Him absolutely, And while that was a step forward to
justice for these girls, it was a huge injustice.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Now.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
How many people are walking around having the best part
of Jeffrey Epstein's sex trafficking rank, who have raped minor
girls as young as fourteen years old, that's a freshman
in high school. Maybe. How many people are walking around
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now with no consequences because of how this case was handled,
how these ladies had to seek justice through civil means.
It's horrifying.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
The attorney Spencer Cuban representing nine of these little girls,
and he knows the girls have named Epstein's clients. They
were handed over to these guys like Pizzas Bondy telling
me there is a client list. Now she's saying there's
not a client list. Now, all the victims banding together
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saying they're going to create a client list from their
own memory. Greg Morris, is there any way to defeat
that attorney client privilege?
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Now?
Speaker 1 (35:46):
We know that the girls can waive the privilege if
they want to, they're the client, they can wave it.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
So what would hold back Spencer Cuban.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
From releasing those names or the rules releasing those names.
Speaker 6 (36:01):
Well, it is just that, I mean, the attorney client
privilege survives death. We got that ruling by the Supreme
Court during I believe the Clinton error. So there is
no way for Colvin, who's a very good lawyer, an
excellent lawyer in civil matters, to just break through the
attorney client privilege. And as a lawyer, why would you
do that. You're bound by your client and you should always.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Know the crimes. It can break it, Morse, the client can.
Speaker 6 (36:26):
Break it, and Ken of course client can. And as
far as these nds, it depends what is there a
financial penalty in it? Does anyone care about it? That
sign the agreement you may be able to look at.
I don't know the verbage of the agreement, but if
there's something with not getting these formal records from the
government that they anticipated, you could maybe use that. Although
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I don't think the government's a part of any of
those settlements.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
I don't shake that NDA's apply to crimes, to violent crimes,
like you can't sign off I will never reveal that
you raped me, and Andy applies civilly.
Speaker 6 (37:04):
An NDA does apply civilly, but there's no criminal action here.
I mean, the DOJ is not going to.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
An investatory right is a crime to you? No?
Speaker 6 (37:13):
No, no, no, it's not going to be a crime.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
WHOA what?
Speaker 6 (37:17):
No, it is a crime. But you're you're you're leaving
out the practical aspect of who would investigate this. The
federal government that is now run by Pam Bondy and
Donald Trump. So you have a different situation here when
you think someone's just going to come in and get
a list and file charges against people. This has been
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there for twenty plus years. It has not been done.
No one has filed it. I live in this jurisdiction.
I was practicing law wh Jeffrey Epstein's case went on.
He had a phenomenal local lawyer down here, phenomenal lawyer,
and at the end of the day, nothing was done.
And you're all these years later nothing conference.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Hold on, I got to go to Levan real quick
and follow up on what you're saying. You know, earlier
Bethany and Lynshaw were congratulating these women now coming forward.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
But Levine, this is my fear.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
We already know of multiple suicides estimates between five and twenty, yeah,
twenty suicides connected to this case. Including Epstein's, including Virginia Geffrey.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Can they really all be suicides? Now? These women are
speaking out.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
That's Jeffrey when she was a little girl, when she
began being molested by Epstein, Barry Levine. I don't want
any of these women to end up dead and looking
like a suicide.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
That's a fear, that's a.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
I can't believe we're saying this. It's like we're living
in Moscow and we're afraid witnesses.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Are going to fall out of a window. What the
hey is going on? Nancy?
Speaker 5 (38:57):
And I also want to correct one of the earlier guests.
There were girls as young as twelve years old who
were put on planes to the Virgin Islands. There were enablers,
There were men in these Eastern European countries who took
money from Jeffrey Epstein. Senator Ron Whiten is going down
the financial trail. He said, there's forty seven hundred wire
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transfers totally one billion dollars that was moved through Russian banks.
Money was exchanged hands. There are financial records that can
be tapped here to go after not only the men
who took part in the sex trafficking, but the enablers,
the men who put these girls on planes, who need
to be prosecuted. We need to get to the bottom
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of all of this, and we also need to protect
each and every one of these survivors.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Crime stores with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
In the Last Daystein now adult victims take on DC
demanding justice.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Listen.
Speaker 10 (40:05):
There are many pieces of my story that I can't remember,
no matter how hard I try. The constant state of
wonder causes me so much fear and so much confusion.
My therapist is that my brain is just trying to
protect the self, but it's so hard to begin to
heal knowing that there are people out there who know
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more about my abuse than I do. The worst part
is that the government is still in possession right now
of the documents and information about that could help me
remember and get over all of this, maybe and help
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me heal. They have documents with my name on them
that were confiscated from Jeffrey Epstein's house and could help
me put the pieces of my own life back together.
But I don't have any of it, and I know
the same is true for many of these women.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
That from at Rep.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Thomas Massey on ex Doctor Bethany and a nutshell. Isn't
it true when a young person or any person lives
through a highly traumatic event, such as being statutortally raped,
you lose memory before, during, and after. You can lose
memory before, during, and after. And what she is saying,
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and that is Marina Lecarto speaking in Epstein victim, is
that the answers to some of those questions are in
these files.
Speaker 11 (41:35):
That's right, and she needs to see those files. And
not only do we lose memory when we are again
raped or predated upon, but these girls are experiencing something
called cumulative trauma where they're being retraumatized by the US
government by knowing that these men who raped them are
still walking around and when right, So this is a
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big trauma situation for them and also for trauma victims,
anything that is remotely similar to the original trauma reignites
panic attacks.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Exactly exactly that was in a nutshale. Because I want
you to hear another victim. This is Annie Farmer.
Speaker 13 (42:16):
My name is Annie Farmer, and I was sixteen years
old when I was blown to New Mexico to spend
a weekend with Epstein A Maxwell. That same year, nineteen
ninety six, My sister Maria Farmer reported what happened to
me there, along with reporting her own assaults at their
hands and their theft of sensitive photos of herself, of
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me and our younger sister that she had taken for
her work as a figuritive painter.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
I am now forty six years old.
Speaker 13 (42:45):
Thirty years later, we still do not know why that
report wasn't properly investigated, or why Epstein and his associates
were allowed to harm hundreds, if not thousands of other
girls and young women. We have never been told whether
those images were found when they discovered a large amount
of child sexual abuse material on.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
His property that from at Rep. Thomas Massey on X. Now,
having dealt with so many child rape and child molestation victims,
I would sometimes have to pull my car over on
the street when I left the courthouse and just almost
feel sick or cry or try to figure out what
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I had just seen with victims and all of their pain.
Think of these thousands of victims, literally thousands of victims
that went through this as children.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
Listen to Hallie Robson.
Speaker 14 (43:44):
And when I got into the massage room, Jeffrey Epstein
undressed and asked me to do things to him. My
eyes walled up with tears, and I have never been
more scared in my life. When it was over, he
paid me two hundred dollars and requested in exchange that
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I bring a girl each time to make another two
hundred dollars. I told him I did not want to
do that, and then he gave me an ultimatum. I
felt in hope to never hear from him again, but
he called me every day. He was so wealthy and powerful,
and he would not let me go. I felt I
had no choice if I disobeyed him. I knew something
bad would happen.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
That from at Rep.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Thomas Massey on X Barry Levaine, Dear Lord in Heaven
help us.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
They describe the saying you.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Were there when all of these victims were speaking out,
and it's just happened, and it's like Bonnie's not even
responding to it.
Speaker 5 (44:44):
Nancy. These women now have taken it upon themselves because
the government has been lying to us. They have refused
to release the files. They've given us the run around
as to the material that they've put out to the
committee of ninety seven percent of it is in the
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public domain. Already they're at witch end. But what they
have is the ability to come together among themselves and
appeal to the country. And yesterday at the press conference,
they were able to stand together and to show the
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American public that they are not a hoax, that what
happened to them was real.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
And as to Gilain Maxwell, who has just been moved
to a cushy.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
Prison, it's more like a dormitory.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
This is what a victim Menisco di Giorgio has to
say about Maxwell.
Speaker 4 (45:43):
If Gilen Maxwell were pardoned, it would.
Speaker 7 (45:46):
Undermine all the sacrifices I made to testify and make
mockery of mine and all survive of suffering.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
That from at Rep.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
Thomas Massey on x Glaine Maxwell Windshaw, founder Director's Warriors,
dedicated stopping sex trafficking, she is in a cushy dorm
style penitentiary with for Pete's sake, a real housewife, jogging.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
And having cooking classes. She is a child sex predator.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
If this woman gets a pardon, there will be a
march on capital Gleeen.
Speaker 12 (46:26):
Maxwell can never receive a pardon. We work with a
lot of these victims of theirs of Epstein Maxwell. We
know a lot of them when she was transferred recently
to this cushy compound she's in where she can go
out and get coffee in town or a library book.
This is what forced these women, they said, we have
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to do something more. Look what's happening, what a disservice
our American government is doing right now? This is not
about politics. This is about truth and transparency soon human
trafficking that we fight at the Warriors day in and
day out for victims. She is a predator, a criminal,
Glaine Maxwell, and she is a sex trafficker, and she's
getting special services and I'm sure she's getting her vegan
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meals whatever she's doing there her spa. You know, she
has a SPA available to her. I ask you, this
is what made these women come forward. Where are we
going now with this? Because the track record has been
lies after lies after lies. But thank goodness for these
Internet salutes who don't let anything get by them and
saw this new video, this minute missing. Where are we
going now? I fear for the victims. I fear for
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these survivors because they are very fragile, They're very traumatized.
They break out into crying when we talk to them
because nobody has really really helped them. And I just
bring you back to one thing. For Ginia Giuffrey, she
we were told she committed suicide. End of story, closed book.
There are so many more women out there that have
not come forward, and they were miners at the time.
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I'm going to say again, twelve thirteen, fourteen, fifteen year
old girls, miners, Where are we going now? As society
must stand up and empower and engage with all of
these survivors and demand justice.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
Now we wait as justice God willing reigns down and
we now stop, and we honor American.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
Heroes, heroes that are brave enough to speak out.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
I'm referring to the now adult Epstein victims, children, all
of them at the time they were raped repeatedly by
Epstein and his friends.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
Who are the friends? Will we ever find out?
Speaker 1 (48:41):
Or will we be deaf, dumb and blind to what
is right under our nose? How many victims and witnesses
have already committed suicide? Estimates between five that I can
name on my hands and twenty. What risk do these
women face as they speak out? Nancy Grace signing off,
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Goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Epstein Bombshell. The so called
missing minute, a prison video, miraculously is found and it
reveals movement around Epstein's cell just before his death.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to
thank you for being with us. Lies, Lies, Lies. What
are they hiding?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Did you know of the existence of any such list?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
There is no nest.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
To be sure, there is no list.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
There's no client list.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Nothing like that.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
You know, bombshell, The so called missing minute of epstein
jailhouse video has been found. Let's see the video. The
video that we have been told was just a glitch.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Well that's not true. That has been disproven.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
We were told over and over by the US Attorney
General Bondie that the missing minute was not missing at all.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
It was all just a.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Quote jump, a jump for the daily reset that happened
every twenty four hours.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
That was a lie.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Joining us an all star panel to makes sense of
what we know tonight, this as Epstein victims storm DC,
demanding justice, claiming that they and their so called clients,
the abusers, are in those documents. Well, then there is
(01:55):
a client list straight out to Barry Levine, joining us
author of a now bestseller, The Spider Inside the Tangled
Web of Jeffrey Epstein and Elaine Maxwell, veteran investigative and
print reporter, at Capitol Hill yesterday when the victims stormed
DC First Bury.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Before I get to the victims, well, this.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Proves that we have been lied to, as if we
didn't already know that there is a missing minute, and
it shows a cluster of activity around Jeffrey Epstein's jail cell.
Other video that has also been released shows him pursue
it to what witnesses have said that have been discounted,
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being taken to the bathroom to make a cell phone
call from the bathroom.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I mean, this is so.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Incendiary, but I want to get to the missing minute. Barry,
what do you make of it other than body flat
out live right to our faith.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
Well, Nancy, I have to tell you that I have
completely lost all trust in terms of the government, in
terms of this investigation. I don't know how we go
from where we are to where we need to be.
All I can think of is that at this point
we need to have some type of special prosecutor, an
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independent prosecutor brought in that can bring together all of
this bringing in independent forensic video experts. Let's take this
video apart, second by second, let's enhance it. Let's do
what we have to do to see exactly what we
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have to work with here. And I have to tell you,
Nanthy that the statements that the conflicting statements that have
come out of the Department of Justice related to this
specific video have tied themselves up in knots. This is
a situation that needs complete unraveling, and it's a it's
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turned into an absolute circus. I can't believe.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Now we're going to talk about what you think this
video reveals, Barry, what do you believe other than Pam
Bondi is totally lying. I mean that's been clear from
the beginning. I don't like attacking our government, the administration
that the people elected.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
I don't like that. But she lied.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
She told us first the client list was on her desk.
I'm going to play that. I've got her on video
saying that.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Then she says there is no client list.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Then all of the lies about there is no missing
minute a video. This man was killed, Okay, he did
not commit suicide. Now we find out missing time on
that video.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Not only was concealed, but.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
They lied about it, and of course Barry hold on
just a moment to Greg Morris joining me, veteran criminal
defense attorney, author of the Untested on Amazon. Greg, before
you attack what I'm saying, haven't you found it to
be true, whether when you were a prosecutor or now.
When someone is lying about something that usually indicates a
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nefarious purpose, why lie about it if they weren't worried
about it, Why lie to my face and say it
didn't exist, It didn't happen. It was just a jump,
a glitch in the system. That's total bs. And they've
had this all along, Greg, all along.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Look, I'm not asking you.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
To take a political side, because I don't care about politics.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
What I'm saying is they had.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
The video, they lied about the video, and it shows
a cluster of movement around Epstein's cell at the time.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
He was killed.
Speaker 6 (05:59):
Sosolutely right. There's something is covered up here. Now it
may turn out that it's an innocuous thing that created
this glitch, but it's also interesting to note that the
part that was missing is where there's movement the whole night.
There's no movement of the guards really, and then all
of a sudden the one minute, So yes, you're one
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hundred percent right, there is something and I'm an expert
in digital evidence. I speak on it around the country.
This is an easy thing to see. And it's also
the government's excuse that it was a general time glitch
because they re record doesn't make any sense given when the.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Time was missing.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
So of course something's excluded, it's been uncovered. That tells
you that something is being hidden here, whether it's to
a crime or not, something is being hidden here.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
You know the cover up points to a nefarious intent
because as you just pointed out, which I find very
very probative, Morse, it's not just somebody going by with
the trash can. It's not nothing where everything is calm
and quiet.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
There's no movement.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
It's actually movement around his cell. That's bad Morse, It's
very bad.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
And they also the way it was described is it
looks like the person is going out of what they
call the shoe, the special housing unit. Yet you don't
know that they could have easily gone to a cell.
So that explanation tells me even more support that this
was done intentionally because they're trying in real time to
fix the problems with the full video.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Oh yeah, it's a cover up. There's no reason to
do this exactly.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
And again I don't care red blue Democrat Republican. What
I care about is that we are being lied to
and what I believe to be.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
A murder investigation.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
And as the victims point out NBC in the last hours,
why is Jeffrey Epstein being protected?
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Why is this shrouded.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
As secrecy when the victims are not being protected? I
want to go straight out to doctor Kendall Crowns, joining
as chief medical Examiner Terrance.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
County, host of a new hit podcast.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Mayhem in the more esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School
of Medicine at TCU, Doctor Kendall Crowns, the one thing,
well among so many, that has disturbed me from the beginning,
is the ligature mark on Epstein's neck. Okay, I'm taking
everybody to DC in just a moment. We're gonna hear
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everything that the victims had to say. But regarding Epstein,
why this missing moment is so important? The ligature mark,
as you and I have discussed, doctor Kendall Crowns, it's
not in the traditional U shape or smiley face when
someone commits suicide by hanging or even moving.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Forward while seated.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Okay, we see a directly horizontal line, which indicates in
every case I've ever investigated, ligature strangling straight across, likely
from behind, and that is opposed to a hanging mark
that you get when the victim hangs themselves.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Thoughts, Well, I mean that's exactly correct. When you have
a horizontal line, it's more like someone took a ligature
and grabbed it behind their neck and pulled, Whereas when
you're hanged, the ligature has kind of an upward, canting
V shaped structure to it because there's a suspension point
above your head and the ligature is pulling up, so
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you will see that change in shape. And when we
see the flat or horizontal line that you're describing, that
is more indicative of someone being strangled with ligature from
behind and less indicative of a hanging. And it is
very questionable because how would that have happened.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Doctor Kendall.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Crown's another question, how long at the middle minimum does
it take for someone to die by asphyxiation?
Speaker 3 (10:04):
About three to five minutes or so. Somewhere in there,
you can go ten to thirty seconds with out air
and you'll go unconscious. Then your body will be sitting
there in the throes of lack of oxygen for the
next three to five minutes, and you'll be brain dead.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
I've never heard of anyone other than expert divers that
could go without oxygen for five minutes.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
You're set.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
That would be that would Hey, that's important.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
What we're looking at right now.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Hold on, doctor Crowds, everybody on the panel, look at
your screen right now, because I'm going to circle back
to how unorthodox what you're seeing right now is.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
I've been in I don't even know how many Seais
correctional institutes.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
This is not allowed, nobody, no prisoner is allowed to
have this much material in their cell because it is
a threat.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
It is a.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Suicide or homicide threat to the cell mate, the cell individual,
or people even walking by can be strangled with this.
This is totally totally disallowed. Look at this. That's absolutely
not kosher. That is not allowed in any facility. But
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it was for Jeffrey Epstein or was it Okay? Back
to you, doctor kil Crimes. I'm gonna address what we're
seeing in the cell in just a moment. But doctor
Crown's you're telling me a human can go five full minutes,
not a deep sea diver or skin diver, but a
regular person Epstein's age, completely out of shape, can go
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five minutes without breathing.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
So no, I was giving you a range of individuals,
but someone of Epstein's age probably have smoked I would
say three minutes an under before he's did.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
That is traditional thinking regarding how long a human can
live without oxygen.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Three minutes. Back to Barry Levine.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Joining us, I want to follow up on what doctor
Crown's just said. Levin, we're missing that we know of
one minute, all this cluster activity around Epstein's cell around
the time he died. There was time for him to
be strangled, for him to be asphyxiated.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Listen, Nancy.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
There, as I said, we need to do a new
investigation into his death. We need, as I called in
the New York Times opinion section recently, we need to
see not only the Epstein files, the investigative files, all
the stuff that was on the computers and the CDs.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Okay, you know what you are preaching to the choir
right now. If anybody else says we need to see
the files. I'm holding them in content. Of course, we
need to see the files. What I'm saying is this
time period when people were clustered around his seal. Why
was this held away from us? Why is it just
now coming out? What, if anything, does it reveal? Sidney
(13:12):
sun rejoining me, Crime Stories investigative reporter, Hey, Sidney, listen
to this.
Speaker 7 (13:17):
The House Oversight Committee has released over thirty three thousand
pages of Epstein related records and dozens of video and
audio recordings associated with the investigation, though committee members have
warned that, in addition to heavy redaction, over ninety seven
percent of the release is already public. Those diving into
the files have discovered interesting bits in the three percent
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that is new. Most interesting, the missing minute of the
MCC surveillance footage has been found.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Hold on, sid Barry Levine. Did they think we wouldn't
notice if they dump thousands, thirty three thousand pages of
documents on us, though we won't notice the missing minute
buried in there?
Speaker 2 (13:59):
First of all, at least ninety seven.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Percent of that release was already out there, So why
bother did they think we wouldn't see the missing minute
in there?
Speaker 5 (14:10):
Listen, Nancy, this is all part of a cover up.
We need complete transparency. We need to know did they
do DNA testing on the bed sheets. We know that
there were at least five nooses that he or somebody
made in that jail cell, and one of them, of course,
he was found hanging, which was how the prison officers
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found him when they entered the cell in the morning
to give him breakfast. But there were at least four
other nooses that had been made. We need to know
if there was DNA testing done on these nooses. Why
did he have so many orange bed sheets in his cell?
Why was the breathing apparatus that he had for sleep APNA,
which he could have also used, where somebody could have
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used to strangle him in terms of that long why
was that there unattended. We have a great deal of questions.
We haven't seen the autopsy report, we haven't seen the
investigative file that the authorities created after his death to
answer some of these questions. So what I'm saying is
the missing minute is the it is now the alarm
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going off. This is this is a serious, serious situation
that the government needs to address and needs to tell
us why that was held back, what it shows, and
as your guest was saying, we need.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
What we've had to go through just to get the minute.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Barry, Hey, Sidney Sumner, I want to follow up on
what Barry is saying, and I want to see the video. Okay,
the video we're talking about, Sidney Sumner.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
What does the video depict.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Well, according to the government, the video depicts the material handler,
this unnamed employee who is also on shift at the
time of Toba Noel, leaving to go home. So they
are claiming that this is an employee who just finished
his shift and is heading home for the night, and
(16:13):
he walks off screen toward the main entest of the
shoe and does not approach Epstein's cell. That's what they
tell us is happening. But of course the angle of
this video is just absolutely horrible. It really doesn't show
us much of anything. So it's really unclear if he
did head out the main entrance of the shoe or
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could that person have gone up to where Epstein was
being housed.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
We don't know, well, Sadie Sumner.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Obviously there is more than one person in that area
around Epstein's cell. It's not just one person leaving for
the night. There are more people there, and what we
are being told is there is a cluster of movement
outside Epstein's cell.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Well, so what we can see in the video, these
are the bottom of the stairs leading up to Epstein's
cell block, so we can just barely see a sliver
of that staircase. And earlier in the previous release of
this surveillance video, we all saw that orange blob and
again they told us that that person was actually heading
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up towards that cell block carrying it was an employee
apparently carrying inmate linens or an inmate uniform. And of
course we're all screaming, bs, that's somebody in an inmate
uniform walking up that staircase. So it's a very unclear angle.
But you're right, it doesn't look like just one person.
(17:40):
So this new explanation for what's happening in the missing minute.
And they haven't provided us an explanation as to why
Bondie lied about this, of course, but that's what they're
claiming is happening, just one employee heading home for the night.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
All along we have had nothing but lies, lies. So
the question is why listen.
Speaker 8 (18:04):
What you're going to see, hopefully tomorrow is a lot
of flight logs, a lot of names, a lot of information.
But it's pretty sick what that man did. A source
had told me where the documents were being kept, Southern
District of New York. Shock. So we got them all by,
(18:25):
hopefully all of them Friday at eight am, thousands of
pages of documents. I have the FBI going through them.
Director Patel is going to get us a detailed report
as to why the FBI withheld all of those documents.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
From our friends at Fox Gilainne Maxwell. Are we going
to believe her?
Speaker 1 (18:43):
She denies as a client list, she denies there was trafficking.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
She's denying every single thing.
Speaker 9 (18:50):
There is no list, there is no I'm not aware
of any blackmail.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
I never heard. I never heard that, I never saw it,
and I I never imagined it.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Many, not all, of the Epstein victims storming DC this
weekend demanding justice.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Listen to just one of them.
Speaker 10 (19:12):
I was only fourteen years old when I met Jeffrey.
It was the summer of high school. I was working
three jobs to try to support my mom and my
sister when a friend of mine in the neighborhood told
me that I could make three hundred dollars to give
an older guy a massage. It went from a dream
job to the worst nightmare. Jeffrey assistant Leslie Groff would
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call me and tell me that I needed to be
at the house so often that I ended up dropping
out of high school before ninth grade and I never
went back. From fourteen to seventeen years old, I went
and worked for Jeffrey instead of receiving an education. Every
day I hoped that he would offer me a real
job as one of his assistant or something something important.
(20:04):
I would finally have made it big as like we
say the American dream. That day never came. I had
no way, I had no way out. I was until
you finally told me that I.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Was too old. She was too old. He started having
sex with her.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
That's tat story rape when she's fourteen years old than
she what aged out that from at Rep. Thomas Massey
on X Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Doctor Bethany Marshall
(20:47):
before I go to Barry Levine, who was there in
the midst of the victim speaking out. Doctor Bethany renowned
psychoanalyst out of LA You can see her on Peacock.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
She is author of Deal breaker.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
And you can find her doctor Bethany Marshall dot com,
Doctor Bethany Marshall. So when she said I wanted a
real job, I would finally have made it big, the
American dream. So this little girl, fourteen, hoping to one
day make it big with a billionaire, endured statutory rape
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for three years before she aged out, and then he
tipped her like you'd leave a twenty at the waffle house.
Speaker 11 (21:31):
Seriously, this is the type of predating pattern that Gilan
Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein engaged in. They went out and
they found underaged girls who were from families who had
lower socioeconomic status because they could lure those girls in
more easily. And it's very typical with pedophiles that when
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the child ages out, they go to increasingly younger victims
aging out.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Aging out to Lynn Shaw joining US, founder and director
of Lynn's Warriors, dedicated to ending sex trafficking of.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Girls and women. I'm going to go back to Bethany
in a moment, Lynn.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
But aging out, I want you to explain what this
woman is saying.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Marina Lecido, what she was saying, she's now an.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Adult, she was a child victim of statutory rape, repeat
rape by Epstein. He pled guilty and got a swat
on the hand down in Florida.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Thanks Acosta.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
All of this has been corroborated, and her name and
other clients associated with her have got to be in
those files. But I want you to explain why. From
what you know battling sex trafficking, she's telling the truth.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
She is absolutely telling the truth.
Speaker 12 (22:54):
I have waited for this day, Nancy, because what we've
been witnessing over all these years is nothing short of
an sh fill in the blank, fill in the blank
show okay. Aging out a common phrase used in sex trafficking.
We have always heard about miners involved with Maxwell, with
Jeffrey Epstein. It's hard for me to even say their names.
(23:15):
Yet there was a little coverage about the miners at all.
So now we finally have this coming forward. This is
a common tactic, getting in with those young vulnerable girls eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen,
stringing them along, and then when they hit sixteen, seventeen,
definitely eighteen, aged out. You are too old. You are
thrown aside like an old shoe in the street. I
(23:36):
am tired of this. I am tired of this lie.
After lie after lie with this case, Let's bring it
forward and I'll tell you this crime is too big,
too ugly. It is not going to disappear because we
have strong survivors, We have advocates like Lynd's Warriors that
are standing up to all of this and this will
not go away. So as far as ag Bondi Cash
(23:58):
Fatteo with the FBI, they have all into canaworms and
it's only going to get worse from here. But I
want to leave with this thought for everybody. Please, we
must think and commend these strong now women coming forward
sharing bravely, because this is the hardest thing working with
victims and survivors. They tell me to actually in public
tell their stories. So let's all thank them. But let's
(24:20):
hear more about the miners and let's get the files.
I'm so tired of this file talk. What is going
on here? Everything's redacted anyway, let us put the emphasis
on the survivors, the victims of these two criminals, and
let's get going. Let's end this once and for all.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Doctor Bethany Marshall, the theory of aging out. What I'm
doing right now, Doctor Bethany, is I'm looking for corroboration,
corroboration of what these now adult victims are saying. Number one,
what she, Marina Lecardo and the others described is text
book trafficking of young girls, textbook every word.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
She said, I'm like, yeah, up.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Check check check check of the sex trafficking and statutory
rape cases I investigated and prosecuted.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Could you explain the veracity what she's saying?
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Why is true that she says she waited and waited
and waited for her big break and kept screwing Epstein. Oh,
an old man naked on a massage table, and Elaine
Maxwell brings her in there like the Thanksgiving turkey. Then
(25:31):
she says, as she's waiting for her big break putting
up with Epstein's sex advances, rape.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
He tells her.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
She ages out, I mean that's real, Bethany, What is that?
Speaker 11 (25:45):
Well, what it is is it confirms that Epstein is
a pedophile. Because pedophiles are only attracted to children, right,
So what happens is when the child gets older, the
pedophile is no longer attracted, So the pedophile has to
kick that person out and go to a newer, younger victim.
And in terms of this being like sex trafficking. It
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is classic because here's what sex traffickers do. They find
a victim whose parents are too busy working or a
victim who needs money. They lure that person in with
false promises that they are going to take care of them.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Once the victim is.
Speaker 11 (26:22):
Ensnared in the web, then they begin to predate on
the victim, rape the victim, have other people rape the victim,
but then they pass the child around so that they
can get financial benefit off of the victim. And what
we see with all those transfers going in and out
of accounts to Russia and all the clients that are
(26:44):
being brought in, Jeffreysteine is now having.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Narrow my question.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Okay, doctor Bethany, isn't it true that child molester's pedophiles
H one has a certain agee in.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Which they are interested.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
It could be babies, It could be infants that they
want them a list.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
It could be toddlers from one to three.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
It could be schoolgirls in their little uniform at age five. Okay,
it could be boys at that age, or it could
be pre pubescent girls from eleven to just say fifteen sixteen.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
That age, and they do not vary unless they have to.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
So when this now adult victim says, he told me,
after three years of raping me, I aged out, isn't
it true? Dr Bethany that that is consistent with pedophilic behavior.
Speaker 11 (27:47):
That is consistent with pedophilic behavior. And it also tells
us what age group he was predating upon, because she
was fourteen years old. So now we have a marker.
Now we know his type, and you are absolutely correct.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Pedophiles made me, One Bethany, his type, his type, you're
I'm not saying you're wrong, but to say his type,
these are girls, these are the age of my Lucy,
his type and I noticed her. What about this, Doctor
Bethany to corroborate what these women are now saying?
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Lavine heard it all. Remember just the other.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Day we reported and you and I analyzed, Ela Ain't
Maxwell saying yeah, I didn't really have sex with him
that much because he had a condition.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Yeah he was a pedophile.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
He didn't have sex with adult woman that clearly loved him.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
He didn't want that, oh hgwn. He wanted these little girls.
He couldn't.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I had to say it. He couldn't get an erection
with a grown woman.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
It had to be a little girl. When the little
girl ages out, hey hit the road. Well, dancy, that's
what we call it per version.
Speaker 11 (29:00):
Perversion is when you cannot get aroused through sex with
the same age partner. You only have to go towards
children or something other than a partner, like a whip
or a chain or a shoe or something like this.
So this is a classic perversion. And what he did
was he brought these little girls in. He predated upon
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them when they were at their most vulnerable age. But
he also they probably also groomed and stopped these little
girls so that they really could not get out of
the web. So yes, now we have the marker fourteen
years old. Now we know how they did it. It's
just it's all out there.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
This whole thing was manufactured. I believe it's literally if
they could. Gillie Maxwell is a court proven liar.
Speaker 11 (29:45):
Why is this liar being allowed to rewrite history when
we have a whole trial proving.
Speaker 12 (29:52):
That almost everything she says is one hundred percent a lie.
Speaker 9 (29:55):
I would like to announce here today us Epstein Survived
have been discussing creating our own list. We know the
names many of us were abused by them. Now together,
as survivors, we will confidentially compile the names we all
know who regularly and who are regularly in the epsteam world.
(30:19):
And it will be done by survivors and for survivors.
No one else is involved.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
That fro. I'm at Rep. Thomas Massey on X.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
You are seeing the survivors in DC in the last
days demanding justice. Now, why you do rape victims have
to band together and ask our federal government to quit lying.
They are now getting together and compiling a client list,
(30:48):
you know, the one that we've just been told, Yeah,
that doesn't exist. But woh whoa who wo correct me
if I'm wrong, didn't BONDI state she had the client
list right there on her desk.
Speaker 10 (30:58):
Listen, maybe releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients. Will
that really happen?
Speaker 8 (31:05):
It's sitting on my desk right now to review. That's
been a directive by President Trump, that from.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Our friends at Fox News, sitting on my desk right now.
Then we're told there is no client list. You want
to tell me those little girls now adult women, don't
know who was raping them. Barry Levine, help me help me. Now,
(31:32):
isn't a true, Levine, that based on your research.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
And you didn't make this up.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
You got this from banks, you got it from flight logs,
you got it from individuals all the way up the
chain at the US Virgin Islands under our jurisdiction, that
Epstein flew and feried little girls and delivered them to
adult males like they were.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Pete says, just here, here you go, here's.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
The fourteen year old and the little girls were on
this island you're looking at right there, And what do
they even try to swim off and.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Couldn't make it? Isn't that true? And you want to
tell me, Levine.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Nobody knows all those freaky old guys' names, Nancy.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
They do know these names. And the fact that the
government isn't investigating these third parties is absolutely disgusting. I
was at the press conference. I was with the women.
The best thing that came out of it was the
fact that they themselves are going to draw up a
list of men who need to be investigated. And I
(32:46):
asked Congressman Massey after the press conference, I said, what
will you do with that list? And he said, Marjorie
Taylor Green has volunteered to read that list. On the
House floor, and.
Speaker 7 (32:59):
He said that.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
He told me that he would be proud to also
read that list. He said, if it's read on the
House floor, there's legal protections given them for naming these names.
But we need to do this. It's said that we're
at this point now that it's going to take the
survivors themselves to draw up the list. Believer, then, because
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the government.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
I've got another idea, Levne.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Here's an idea, and I'm not sure the legal way
around it, but there is a legal way around it.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
And Morris is going to help me with that.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Sidney Sumner, based on what Barry Levne incredible about, guys,
the spider inside the tangle web of Jeffrey Epstein and
Gilaine Maxwell.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Sidney, you and I spoke.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
To a civil lawyer that represented nine a counting of
Epstein then little girl victims.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
They entered into civil suit settlements. Look at that smug
face of his. I could just rip his lips off.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Civil settlements and those girls could name corporate I guess
you would say clients of Epstein's that raped the little girls.
But he was bound by attorney client privilege. When they
took the settlement, they were bound with an NBA could
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never state the names of the men that raped them, remember.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Him absolutely, And while that was a step forward to
justice for these girls, it was a huge injustice.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Now.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
How many people are walking around having the best part
of Jeffrey Epstein's sex trafficking rank, who have raped minor
girls as young as fourteen years old, that's a freshman
in high school. Maybe. How many people are walking around
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now with no consequences because of how this case was handled,
how these ladies had to seek justice through civil means.
It's horrifying.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
The attorney Spencer Cuban representing nine of these little girls,
and he knows the girls have named Epstein's clients. They
were handed over to these guys like Pizzas Bondy telling
me there is a client list. Now she's saying there's
not a client list. Now, all the victims banding together
(35:37):
saying they're going to create a client list from their
own memory. Greg Morris, is there any way to defeat
that attorney client privilege?
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Now?
Speaker 1 (35:46):
We know that the girls can waive the privilege if
they want to, they're the client, they can wave it.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
So what would hold back Spencer Cuban.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
From releasing those names or the rules releasing those names.
Speaker 6 (36:01):
Well, it is just that, I mean, the attorney client
privilege survives death. We got that ruling by the Supreme
Court during I believe the Clinton error. So there is
no way for Colvin, who's a very good lawyer, an
excellent lawyer in civil matters, to just break through the
attorney client privilege. And as a lawyer, why would you
do that. You're bound by your client and you should always.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Know the crimes. It can break it, Morse, the client can.
Speaker 6 (36:26):
Break it, and Ken of course client can. And as
far as these nds, it depends what is there a
financial penalty in it? Does anyone care about it? That
sign the agreement you may be able to look at.
I don't know the verbage of the agreement, but if
there's something with not getting these formal records from the
government that they anticipated, you could maybe use that. Although
(36:48):
I don't think the government's a part of any of
those settlements.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
I don't shake that NDA's apply to crimes, to violent crimes,
like you can't sign off I will never reveal that
you raped me, and Andy applies civilly.
Speaker 6 (37:04):
An NDA does apply civilly, but there's no criminal action here.
I mean, the DOJ is not going to.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
An investatory right is a crime to you? No?
Speaker 6 (37:13):
No, no, no, it's not going to be a crime.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
WHOA what?
Speaker 6 (37:17):
No, it is a crime. But you're you're you're leaving
out the practical aspect of who would investigate this. The
federal government that is now run by Pam Bondy and
Donald Trump. So you have a different situation here when
you think someone's just going to come in and get
a list and file charges against people. This has been
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there for twenty plus years. It has not been done.
No one has filed it. I live in this jurisdiction.
I was practicing law wh Jeffrey Epstein's case went on.
He had a phenomenal local lawyer down here, phenomenal lawyer,
and at the end of the day, nothing was done.
And you're all these years later nothing conference.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Hold on, I got to go to Levan real quick
and follow up on what you're saying. You know, earlier
Bethany and Lynshaw were congratulating these women now coming forward.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
But Levine, this is my fear.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
We already know of multiple suicides estimates between five and twenty, yeah,
twenty suicides connected to this case. Including Epstein's, including Virginia Geffrey.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Can they really all be suicides? Now? These women are
speaking out.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
That's Jeffrey when she was a little girl, when she
began being molested by Epstein, Barry Levine. I don't want
any of these women to end up dead and looking
like a suicide.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
That's a fear, that's a.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
I can't believe we're saying this. It's like we're living
in Moscow and we're afraid witnesses.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Are going to fall out of a window. What the
hey is going on? Nancy?
Speaker 5 (38:57):
And I also want to correct one of the earlier guests.
There were girls as young as twelve years old who
were put on planes to the Virgin Islands. There were enablers,
There were men in these Eastern European countries who took
money from Jeffrey Epstein. Senator Ron Whiten is going down
the financial trail. He said, there's forty seven hundred wire
(39:20):
transfers totally one billion dollars that was moved through Russian banks.
Money was exchanged hands. There are financial records that can
be tapped here to go after not only the men
who took part in the sex trafficking, but the enablers,
the men who put these girls on planes, who need
to be prosecuted. We need to get to the bottom
(39:40):
of all of this, and we also need to protect
each and every one of these survivors.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Crime stores with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
In the Last Daystein now adult victims take on DC
demanding justice.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Listen.
Speaker 10 (40:05):
There are many pieces of my story that I can't remember,
no matter how hard I try. The constant state of
wonder causes me so much fear and so much confusion.
My therapist is that my brain is just trying to
protect the self, but it's so hard to begin to
heal knowing that there are people out there who know
(40:25):
more about my abuse than I do. The worst part
is that the government is still in possession right now
of the documents and information about that could help me
remember and get over all of this, maybe and help
(40:48):
me heal. They have documents with my name on them
that were confiscated from Jeffrey Epstein's house and could help
me put the pieces of my own life back together.
But I don't have any of it, and I know
the same is true for many of these women.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
That from at Rep.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Thomas Massey on ex Doctor Bethany and a nutshell. Isn't
it true when a young person or any person lives
through a highly traumatic event, such as being statutortally raped,
you lose memory before, during, and after. You can lose
memory before, during, and after. And what she is saying,
(41:28):
and that is Marina Lecarto speaking in Epstein victim, is
that the answers to some of those questions are in
these files.
Speaker 11 (41:35):
That's right, and she needs to see those files. And
not only do we lose memory when we are again
raped or predated upon, but these girls are experiencing something
called cumulative trauma where they're being retraumatized by the US
government by knowing that these men who raped them are
still walking around and when right, So this is a
(41:57):
big trauma situation for them and also for trauma victims,
anything that is remotely similar to the original trauma reignites
panic attacks.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Exactly exactly that was in a nutshale. Because I want
you to hear another victim. This is Annie Farmer.
Speaker 13 (42:16):
My name is Annie Farmer, and I was sixteen years
old when I was blown to New Mexico to spend
a weekend with Epstein A Maxwell. That same year, nineteen
ninety six, My sister Maria Farmer reported what happened to
me there, along with reporting her own assaults at their
hands and their theft of sensitive photos of herself, of
(42:38):
me and our younger sister that she had taken for
her work as a figuritive painter.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
I am now forty six years old.
Speaker 13 (42:45):
Thirty years later, we still do not know why that
report wasn't properly investigated, or why Epstein and his associates
were allowed to harm hundreds, if not thousands of other
girls and young women. We have never been told whether
those images were found when they discovered a large amount
of child sexual abuse material on.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
His property that from at Rep. Thomas Massey on X. Now,
having dealt with so many child rape and child molestation victims,
I would sometimes have to pull my car over on
the street when I left the courthouse and just almost
feel sick or cry or try to figure out what
(43:26):
I had just seen with victims and all of their pain.
Think of these thousands of victims, literally thousands of victims
that went through this as children.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
Listen to Hallie Robson.
Speaker 14 (43:44):
And when I got into the massage room, Jeffrey Epstein
undressed and asked me to do things to him. My
eyes walled up with tears, and I have never been
more scared in my life. When it was over, he
paid me two hundred dollars and requested in exchange that
(44:04):
I bring a girl each time to make another two
hundred dollars. I told him I did not want to
do that, and then he gave me an ultimatum. I
felt in hope to never hear from him again, but
he called me every day. He was so wealthy and powerful,
and he would not let me go. I felt I
had no choice if I disobeyed him. I knew something
bad would happen.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
That from at Rep.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Thomas Massey on X Barry Levaine, Dear Lord in Heaven
help us.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
They describe the saying you.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Were there when all of these victims were speaking out,
and it's just happened, and it's like Bonnie's not even
responding to it.
Speaker 5 (44:44):
Nancy. These women now have taken it upon themselves because
the government has been lying to us. They have refused
to release the files. They've given us the run around
as to the material that they've put out to the
committee of ninety seven percent of it is in the
(45:05):
public domain. Already they're at witch end. But what they
have is the ability to come together among themselves and
appeal to the country. And yesterday at the press conference,
they were able to stand together and to show the
(45:25):
American public that they are not a hoax, that what
happened to them was real.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
And as to Gilain Maxwell, who has just been moved
to a cushy.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
Prison, it's more like a dormitory.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
This is what a victim Menisco di Giorgio has to
say about Maxwell.
Speaker 4 (45:43):
If Gilen Maxwell were pardoned, it would.
Speaker 7 (45:46):
Undermine all the sacrifices I made to testify and make
mockery of mine and all survive of suffering.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
That from at Rep.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
Thomas Massey on x Glaine Maxwell Windshaw, founder Director's Warriors,
dedicated stopping sex trafficking, she is in a cushy dorm
style penitentiary with for Pete's sake, a real housewife, jogging.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
And having cooking classes. She is a child sex predator.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
If this woman gets a pardon, there will be a
march on capital Gleeen.
Speaker 12 (46:26):
Maxwell can never receive a pardon. We work with a
lot of these victims of theirs of Epstein Maxwell. We
know a lot of them when she was transferred recently
to this cushy compound she's in where she can go
out and get coffee in town or a library book.
This is what forced these women, they said, we have
(46:46):
to do something more. Look what's happening, what a disservice
our American government is doing right now? This is not
about politics. This is about truth and transparency soon human
trafficking that we fight at the Warriors day in and
day out for victims. She is a predator, a criminal,
Glaine Maxwell, and she is a sex trafficker, and she's
getting special services and I'm sure she's getting her vegan
(47:09):
meals whatever she's doing there her spa. You know, she
has a SPA available to her. I ask you, this
is what made these women come forward. Where are we
going now with this? Because the track record has been
lies after lies after lies. But thank goodness for these
Internet salutes who don't let anything get by them and
saw this new video, this minute missing. Where are we
going now? I fear for the victims. I fear for
(47:32):
these survivors because they are very fragile, They're very traumatized.
They break out into crying when we talk to them
because nobody has really really helped them. And I just
bring you back to one thing. For Ginia Giuffrey, she
we were told she committed suicide. End of story, closed book.
There are so many more women out there that have
not come forward, and they were miners at the time.
(47:53):
I'm going to say again, twelve thirteen, fourteen, fifteen year
old girls, miners, Where are we going now? As society
must stand up and empower and engage with all of
these survivors and demand justice.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
Now we wait as justice God willing reigns down and
we now stop, and we honor American.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
Heroes, heroes that are brave enough to speak out.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
I'm referring to the now adult Epstein victims, children, all
of them at the time they were raped repeatedly by
Epstein and his friends.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
Who are the friends? Will we ever find out?
Speaker 1 (48:41):
Or will we be deaf, dumb and blind to what
is right under our nose? How many victims and witnesses
have already committed suicide? Estimates between five that I can
name on my hands and twenty. What risk do these
women face as they speak out? Nancy Grace signing off,
(49:08):
Goodbye friend,
Host
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