August 5, 2025 • 58 mins
The public was already skeptical of the DOJ’s claims the footage from the SHU where Jeffrey Epstein was housed “clearly shows” Epstein is the only person who entered his cellblock the night of his death, a mysterious orange blob climbing the steps to L block has eviscerated all trust in their review.
The Inspector General says the movement on the staircase around 10:40 pm is C.O. Tova Noel carrying inmate linens up to the L Block, but video analysis experts say it's more likely the figure was wearing orange, not carrying orange material.
According to independent reviews of the “raw” footage released by the DOJ, the video isn’t “raw” at all. At one point, a computer cursor flies across the screen, indicating the original file is a screen recording, not a DVR export. Metadata also reveals the footage was created from two different clips and edited in Adobe Premiere Pro on May 23 from 4:48 p.m. to 8:16 p.m.
One of those clips was cut down 2 minutes and 53 seconds shorter than its original form, the cut coinciding with the beginning of the “missing minute,” at 11:58:58. When the footage resumes at midnight after the alleged “nightly reset,” the aspect ratio is also slightly different.
The footage released from the MCC offers a limited view of the SHU common area and just a sliver of the staircase to Jeffrey Epstein’s cell block. Off camera, to the right of the staircase, is another entrance into the SHU. The correctional officers on duty report that a second locked door blocks that entrance.
One of those doors is controlled remotely, while the other requires a key kept on the C.O.’s person. However, multiple people are seen entering and exiting while Tova Noel and Michael Thomas are nowhere near the door or not in the unit at all.
While correctional officers admitted that Epstein was allowed to make an unmonitored phone call in the showers before he was returned to his cell at 7:40 p.m., C.O. Tova Noel claimed she left Epstein in the showers alone to use the restroom, and by the time she returned, someone else had already escorted Epstein back to his cell.
However, it appears that Noel remains in the unit during the call and does personally walk Epstein back toward the staircase to cellblock L. Another female staffer left the unit shortly before Noel gave the escort and returned shortly after Epstein was allegedly safely returned to his cell.
Senator Ron Wyden, the Democratic ranking member on the Senate Finance Committee, claims there is plenty to investigate from the Epstein files, including thousands of lines of Epstein’s wire transfers. Wyden points out that Epstein had to fund his sex-trafficking ring somehow and says that over the last three years, the Treasury Department has discovered 4,725 wire transfers totaling over a billion dollars flowing through just one of Epstein’s banks.
They also found that Epstein had frequent dealings with a sanctioned Russian bank. Wyden claims the DOJ has financial records for Epstein and calls for them to be released to the SFC for further investigation.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Mark Epstein - Brother of Jeffrey Epstein
- Eric Faddis - Partner at Varner Faddis Elite Legal, Former Felony Prosecutor and Current Criminal Defense and Civil Litigation Attorney; Instagram: @e_fad @varnerfaddis; TikTok: @varnerfaddis
- Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst, Author: "Deal Breaker," and featured in hit show "Paris in Love" on Peacock; Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, X: @DrBethanyLive
- Todd Shipley, CFE, CFCE - Cyber Crime Expert, and Author: “Investigating Internet Crimes: An Introduction to Solving Crimes in Cyberspace;" X: @webcase
- Dr. DeWayne Hendrix - Former Associate Warden at the MDC in Brooklyn, and Former Senior Warden with the US Department of Justice, Federal Bureau of Prisons, Founder and President of A New Daylight Foundation, and Author: "Who Are You? See it Say it and Seize it;" @anewdaylight (IG) @drdewaynehendrix (LinkedIn) @anewdaylight (X-Twitter)
- Lynn Shaw - Founder and Executive Director of Lynn's Warriors, Host of Lynn's Warriors on YouTube; X: @lynns_warriors, YouTube: @LynnsWarriors
- Joseph Scott Morgan - Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University, Author of "Blood Beneath My Feet," and Host: "Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan;" X @JoScottForensicith Joseph Scott Morgan;" X:@JoScottForensic
- Tisa Tells - Pop Culture Investigator & Commentator and Host of 'Tisa Tells' on YouTube; YouTube: @TisaTells, In
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace an Epstein bombshell. A shadowy
figure dressed as an inmate. It spotted climbing the stairs
to Epstein's cell. What and we're just getting eleven new
(00:22):
hours of video? Where's that video been all this time?
I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to
thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
They've admitted there's thousands of thousands of pages.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Who came to his place, who flew on his plane,
who went on the Lolita Express, who went to his
private island where girls who are molested? Something stinks. I
want justice. It's been described as a mystery orange blob,
but that is not entirely true. Let's take a look
at a clip we got from the video that has
just been released. You have to look in the original copy.
(00:58):
It's a lot easier to but it is an elongated
orange figure. It's not as they're trying to tell us
somebody carrying laundry that had that. That's much better. That's
much better. These are steps going up to Epstein's tier. Okay,
(01:21):
we've been told the guards were asleep and one was
shopping online when he was killed. We've been told the
two doors we've seen over and over and over the
only way to get onto his cell tier. That is
a lie. See those two doors, total bs. Those are
not the only two ways to get in and out
of that tier. Now, we also were told that there's
(01:45):
a problem with the CCTV that you can't see Epstein sell. Well, okay,
everything we're being fed is poison. Take a listen to this.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
The public was already skeptical of the DJ's The footage
from the shoe where Jeffrey Epstein was housed clearly shows
Epstein is the only person who entered his sub block
the night of his death. A mysterious orange blob climbing
the steps to L Block has eviscerated all trust. In
their review, the Inspector General says the movement on the
staircase around ten forty pm is co Jovian Noel carrying
(02:21):
inmate Lennon's up to the L block, but video analysis
experts say it's more likely the figure was wearing orange,
not carrying orange material.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Joining us an all star panel to make sense of
what we are learning tonight. But I can tell you
this having been in innumerable CI's correctional institutes jails halfway houses, GV, jails,
you name it. I've been in it, Max Hardcore death Row,
(02:51):
been there. No body walks the halls and CI with
their hands full of law laundry. That doesn't happen. Your
hands have to be free. If someone were transporting laundry,
it would have been in a rollerbin. As a matter
of fact, we're going to show you in a moment
(03:13):
a worker coming out with a rollerbin. But see down there,
hands free? Everybody hands free. And first of all, before
I go to our investigative report, I want to go
to doctor Dwayne Hendrix, former Associate warden at MBC and Brooklyn,
former Senior warden USDJ Department of Justice with the Federal
(03:33):
Bureau of Prisons. It goes on and on, founder President
New Daylight Foundation and author up see the wheelie, That's
what I'm talking about. She has her hands free, and
everything she wants to carry, she's got it on a
workman's apron around her waist. That's sp author of who
are you see it? Say it sees it? Doctor Hendrix.
(03:55):
Isn't it true that in a CI, especially one that
houses dangerous inmates like this one, nobody is walking around
with an armload of laundry. That does here's another guy say,
hands free, what about it? Hendricks, Yes, that is true.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
All laundry is carried on a cart and if they're
inmate workers or there's normally orderly on each unit, even
if it's special housing. Typically it's an inmate who isn't
violent or doesn't have any serious history going on. So
typically they will have laundry on the car and the inmate,
(04:34):
the staff will open the slots and the inmate will
take whatever laundry from the inmate and then they exchange.
So there's so it has to be exchange for dirty
linen to clean linen, and that's standing operating procedure. Typically,
laundry exchanges are normally happened during business hours. Sometimes they
may happen during the evening, but after the nine o'clock count,
(04:56):
inmates a lockdown and there's really no reason for them
to be out of their cell after that nine o'clock
stand account.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Well, you're gonna flip when I tell you this, doctor Hendrix.
According to the wardens on the floor, of course, one
went to sleep, one was online shopping or some bs
like that. They allowed Epstein to go into the bathroom
showers to make a private phone call, and I guarantee
(05:24):
you there ain't a payphone in the showers. Totally totally
violating the rules of the CI letting an inmate go
unsupervised into the bathrooms to make a phone call.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
No, first of all, he should have had a restroom, toilet,
and a sink in his cell. He did so typically,
so when typically when inmates make phone calls, they'll will
a phone with a long court to the cell. They'll
open the slot and the inmate will make the phone
call at the cell. So unless they took they took
(05:59):
an actually to someone's office to make an unmonitored call,
I don't see why that that phone call would have.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Happened, because typically it makes a special housing other than
their attorneys. You only get one call every thirty.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Days joining us an all star panel, and we've got
a lot to get through tonight. Number one his HNCH person,
who is a convicted child molester. She just didn't arrange
Epstein to get his mits on these twelve thirteen year
old little girls. She took part in the molestation. She's
a monster. Gleae Maxwell. She just got moved to a
(06:33):
cushriy basically camp, a camp there are no perimeters, they
have yoga, they walk freely. It's the cushiest club fed.
This is what you look up club fed in the dictionary.
It's this place. She's been moved there. Why is she
getting special treatment? What's happening with her? I don't like it,
(06:55):
That's one thing, But right now I'm more concerned about
who is the per walking up and down the cell
steps to Epstein's tier the night he was killed. It
was at I said earlier, almost eleven. It was ten
thirty nine pm. And you're so right Handricks, that is
not the time that laundry is exchanged or taken to
(07:17):
the prison laundry. Okay, what do we know? Straight out
to Tisa Tails joining US investigative reporter. She's at Tisa
Talls on YouTube. Tisa hit me the.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
Fact that we are looking one a highly edited tape.
They released eleven hours. They said there was a minute
the skip. We now know that there's about eight minutes
missing from that tape.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
There's not even the full It's ten hours, fifty two minutes.
Speaker 6 (07:41):
We clearly see a shadowy orange figure and they won
us out in a did in a pulse didy trial
world to believe that it's some Tom and Jerry stack
of orange jumpsuits up to the ceiling that they're carrying
through the through the correctional facility, and they want.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Us to believe that that's not a human.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
The fact that the administration listen, who knows why they
are telling us not to believe, are lying eyes.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
But we see it for what it is. That is
a human being walking in to a self. Let's see
it again. She's right, T said my words exactly should
I believe you are my lion eyes? I see what
I see? Okay? Joining us is Epstein's brother, who also
(08:30):
agrees this is not anybody carrying laundry. But I want
to go back to what we know about Epstein's death?
What do we know? Joining me? Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics,
Jacksonville State University, Author, Blood Beneath My Feet, start of
a hit podcast, Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. Joe
Scott has attended over one thousand death sayings, death stains
(08:56):
of all varieties, be it accidental, natural cause, or homicide.
Joe Scott does it never end? Okay? I see what
I'm seeing. I'm running it right here in front of me,
the person clad in orange. Is it an inmate in orange?
Why isn't he already in his cell? Why is he
(09:17):
walking free? Was he sent to this tier? If so,
by whom, Why is he wandering around from tier to
tier in other words, floor to floor? Okay? Or is
this someone wearing inmate's clothes, which is even more disturbing.
But I do know it is a human. I believe
(09:38):
it is a male because they're tall, and they're wearing
the prison orange jumpsuit, and they're going to Jeffrey Epstein's
tier the night he's murdered. Why are you, like me,
so convinced Epstein was murdered And what does this mystery
(09:58):
orange clad person have to do? How does that factor
into your thesis?
Speaker 7 (10:06):
Well, you know, first off, I think it would be
an outlier relative to the injuries related to his death.
They're trying to call this a suicide, and the problem
is is that what has been left behind, which has
been well documented by doctor Boden, is the fact that
you've got this indwelling fractured cartilage in his neck. And
it's on both sides, Nancy, right here to the left
(10:29):
and the right of the Adams apple. And then on
top of that, you've got this fractured hyoid, which everybody
has gone on and on about. The problem is is
that they are saying that.
Speaker 8 (10:39):
He was hung.
Speaker 7 (10:40):
And one more thing we have to keep in mind.
Theme in this case has stated that this is what's
referred to as a soft hanging, which means he kind
of settled down into this thing. There was not a
lot of force with it. That's what she's opining, and
that the highwaid snap. Now she explains this by saying
that because of his a the hyoid was ossified to
(11:02):
the point where it's snap. Well maybe that's the case,
but you still cannot account for these cartilagianus fractures he
has inferior or below that region. That's why so many
of us are drawing this. You know, this blank stare
you get from us relative to you're trying to sell
us this.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
This is more.
Speaker 7 (11:22):
Consistent with a manual strangulation or or with a ligature
where direct pressure is being.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
I was just about to disagree with you because this
is clearly ligature. I mean, when you look at the pictures,
this is not manual. Joe Scott, Now I see in
the back what you're talking about. I see in the
back it looks like it could be maybe a thumbprint
digging in. No, I think that's the ligature from behind.
(11:51):
But the front shot that is not by hand, right.
Speaker 7 (11:55):
Can you keep this up here for just a quick set, Nancy,
So you see this, it's very very very deep. Do
you see how dark it almost looks like it looks
like I think people would say, gee, that looks like
a scap. Well, that is actually a furrow abrasion. That's
what it's referred to. And it's very very deep. This
does not marry up with all of that dirty cloth
(12:17):
that they've got laying around on the floor inside of
his cell, that squalid area where he was living. And also,
if you could please go back to the other image
of his throat, you will see a mark that is
slightly above that furrow, and just to the left side
there's kind of that abraided area. It looks kind of
linear right there, it's superior to the furrows. That's kind
(12:41):
of that's what would be termed as like a readjustment mark,
where this thing is being manipulated in some way. So
do we have a couple of things going on here?
Is it plausible that you could not only have a
ligature at work here, but then you have somebody applying
direct manual pressure with their hand in adjacent and adjacent
(13:05):
to this or as a part of this, to bring
about his death. I think that that's very interesting. I'll
shut up after this.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Okay, that was a lot of words. And the only
reason I'm interrupting with jobs. Everybody crazy is driving me
crazy is because that was so much of a download.
I'm not saying any of us wrong. I do say
this was not a manual. I mean, I'm not a
death investigator like you, but I can look at that
and tell you that was a ligature strangulation. I don't
need to be an expert to note that was not manual.
(13:36):
But everything else I completely agree. But you have to
you know, when you feed a baby, that's not a
death investigator, you give it one spoon at a time.
That's not what you just did. Just give me your
most sailing and important point and maybe I can digest
that hit me.
Speaker 7 (13:52):
Yeah, Well, you've got multiple things going on here, Nancy,
and we still have to be able to explain the
fractured hyoid that is actually above or superior to that furrow. Okay,
that's why I'm saying that there could be a couple
of things going on here to kind of finish someone off.
That's what you know, kind of let.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Me digest that. Okay, See, this is what happens when
I would go to the medical Examiner's office. Everything they
would say to stop. Okay, let me make a note
of that in regular English. Let me see, Joe Scott, please,
you're saying that the ligature marks, which is so bad
we may not be able to show the public. They
go straight across and they're really deep, and one part
(14:32):
looks scabby. Yeah, yeah, very Obviously it's like a scab,
but it's not. It looks like deep bruising heat. Morgan,
Just explain it now. You just said you've got the
mark across the neck and the broken hyoid. You said
it's superior, But I think that means above that. Is
that what that means?
Speaker 8 (14:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (14:51):
Up here?
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Okay, So that would indicate manual there at the hyoid.
Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 7 (14:59):
Yes, carmative, Right.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
I got it, I got it. Okay, go ahead, one
more thing.
Speaker 7 (15:05):
When you look at that furrow, Nancy, the furrow runs
parallel to his shoulders. It doesn't go up. If you're
talking about a hanging, you have to get this. It's
called we use the term tinting feature te n T
I n G. Where the sink comes up to an
apex like this in the back of the head. Anybody
that's ever seen this, I.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Call it a smiling.
Speaker 7 (15:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
It goes from ear down to ear like a big sile,
which is ironic because it's you know, that would be
a suicide if you had the smiling right there. But
when it's straight across, that indicates somebody from behind yanking
back straight across. I mean, it's so clear. I mean,
did they think we just fell off the turnip truck?
(15:50):
This is not going away, and I don't like it
when it dies down in the headlines. No, it's not
going away. And to try to feed us this line
of b as than eleven new hours have just been released. Okay,
to the point of tonight, Joe Scott, how does this figure?
(16:10):
It's been referred to as a blog, but it's clearly
a person a mail in a prison orange going up
the tier steps to Epstein's floor. Why are they there?
They're not supposed to be there. This tells me, there's
more accessible, there are more entries and excess to this tier.
(16:31):
How does that factor into your scenario? And this went
down at ten thirty nine PM, that's the time of
the video.
Speaker 7 (16:38):
Yeah, so I think that it would be really important
to try to understand what the status of his body
was when he was found, body temperature, these sorts of
things to try to understand Tom since death. Here's one
more piece of this, a bit of video that I
would like to see. That's fascinating seeing that figure going
up the stairs. I want to see if there's any
(16:58):
video showing somebody a descending hours later, minutes later, whatever
the case might be. And how do you explain that image?
How do you explain that person that is retreating from
this location. That's going to be the real tail of
the tape there.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Scott, listen to this.
Speaker 9 (17:15):
The footage released from the MCC offers a limited view
of the shoe common area and just a sliver of
the staircase to Jeffrey Epstein's cell block off camera. To
the right of the staircase is another entrance into the shoe.
According to correctional officers on duty, that entrance is locked
and blocked by a second locked door. One of those
doors is controlled remotely, while the other requires a key
(17:36):
kept on the CEO's persons. However, multiple people are seen
entering and exiting, Whiletova Noel and Michael Thomas are nowhere
near the door or not in the unit at all.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Crime Stores with Nancy Grace, We're going to get rid
of the deep state. We're going to show you all
of the files. There's war over the Epstein files, and
if there's nothing in them, why not release them. We've
been told over and over and over that what's in
those files is shocking. Bill Gates, Prince Andrew Weirdo, Clinton Obama.
(18:18):
I've got another wrench throw in the works tonight. At
the height the height of his wealth, Epstein was worth
about six hundred million dollars. But now we have pieced
together the facts that he was transferring billions as an be,
(18:38):
as a brother, billions of dollars to multiple banks, including
flagged Russian banks. So they want me to believe a
guy that was worth billions of dollars, that was having
(18:59):
bus exchanges with the Russians and others, committed suicide just
as his case was going to trial. That did not happen. Listen.
Speaker 10 (19:13):
It is absolutely ludicrous for Pam Bondi to say that
there is nothing to investigate. Four thousand wire transfers is
a heck of a lot of lines for possible investigation.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Center run Widen claims there's plenty to investigate, including thousands
of lines of Epstein's wire transfers, that Epstein had to
fund his sex trafficking ranks somehow, and that the Treasury
Department has discovered four seven and twenty five wire transfers
totaling over a billion dollars flowing through just one of
Epstein's banks. They also found that Epstein had frequent dealings
(19:48):
with a sanctioned Russian bank. Widen claims the DOJ has
financial records for Epstein and calls for them to be
released to the SFC for their investigation.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Sometimes don't even know what to say, So this is
just from one bank joining me. Todd Shipley, cyber crime expert,
former Detective Sergeant Reno twenty five years, author of Surviving
a cyber Attack, Securing Social Media, Protecting your Home, Investigating
Internet crimes. It goes on and on. He's at dark
(20:19):
intel dot info. Todd, thank you for being with us.
I hardly know where to start. But having worked at
the Federal Trade Commission in the Anti Trust Division, I'm
used to a lot of documents. When I have to
nearly five thousand wire transfers totaling over a billion dollars,
and that's just through one bank, including with sanctioned Russian banks,
(20:45):
the DOJ is calling for an investigation. So Shipley, this
is what I want to throw at you. Think think
you think you use that noodle? Shipley. Epstein had lowly
to eye. He had his Manhattan seven floor stone Brownstone.
(21:08):
He had a mansion in Palm Beach. He had digs
where he would hang out in London. His sex ring
was world wide. He had little girls supply to him
from Jean Luke Brunelle in France. His reported net worth
(21:35):
was six hundred million. You want to tell me, with
the Russians, highly highly paid corporate clients who wanted sex
with little girls and he would fix them up, that
nobody wanted him dead, why do I need these five
(21:58):
thousand wire transfers tracked?
Speaker 8 (22:02):
Tell me, Shipley, it's astounding to hear that and understand
that there was that much money moving and nobody questioned
any of this especially when he's going to Russian oligarchs
that may or may not be sanctioned. That's hugely problematic.
And we know that you know what's been going on.
They can't do that, so it's terrible to see that
this is going on.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Okay, what I thought you were going to say, Shipley,
is we need to trace those wire transfers because it
could lead us to someone who has staggering wealth and
the ability to make I can think that happened even
behind Mars. That's what I thought you were going to say.
Speaker 8 (22:38):
Well, I can't, and I'm surprised that they haven't been
traced all those wire transfers to find out who's behind them,
not that they were just sent to him, but where
they went out to to identify all the people that
are in the ring, which has never been identified. And
that's been the whole problem with the Epstein case is
we don't know who's involved and who he's had ties with,
especially monetarily, so who sent him this money and was
(23:00):
it for the girls? We don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
I guess you've heard the phrase follow the money. I mean,
you know, let me go out to doctor Bethany Marshall,
joining us renowned psychoanalyst, author of deal Breaker. You can
see her on Peacock Now and find her at doctor
Bethany marshall dot com. I want to see Bethany. Doctor Bethany.
You know what I don't like. I don't like a
two tier justice system for rich people and regular people.
(23:27):
I just read this article in the New York Times
and had the interior of Epstein's seven floor brownstone. There
were all sorts of objects of art. He had a
tiger stuffed and lounging on one of his Persian rugs.
(23:48):
He had a first edition wait for it, of Lolita.
Oh surprised Nebokhov about an old guy obsessed with and
raping a twelve year old little girl in a relationship
with her Lolita. He had people like Bannon, Israeli Prime
(24:17):
Minister's presidents, Witty Allen, birds of the Feather over for dinner.
He would have scientists authors. But what floored me, of course,
you and I have similar backgrounds. You child of missionaries
all over the world and really bad conditions meet growing
(24:38):
up on a red dirt road that flooded all the time.
When I looked at these pictures of all this expensive art,
these girls never had a chance. The wealthy are covering
for this guy in Bondie. The US attorney is letting
(25:04):
it happen. I mean, we're mixing up photos here of
the wealth at Palm Beach, Lolita Island, his seventh floor
mansion in downtown Manhattan. It's just it's nauseating. It's nauseating.
And one victim described I believe she was thirteen or
(25:25):
fourteen being led in by Eileene Maxwell to give Epstein
a massage, and he was button naked. She's like thirteen,
She's never seen any grown man naked, and he the
quote massage starts. Then he has sex with the little girl.
(25:46):
It's a rape, of course, and then they give her
two hundred dollars a tipper like she's, you know, a waitress,
and she goes on her way. Then I look at
the opulence that he has, has billions and billions of dollars,
and it makes me sick. I mean, Bethany, when I
go to Kroger, I have to show two forms of
(26:08):
identification to cash a chick, and here he is transferring
millions of dollars, even to Russia banks that have been flagged,
and nobody says a thing while he is raping little girls.
Speaker 11 (26:21):
Bethany, Nancy, have you ever heard the term behind every
great fortune lies a great crime. You know, he has
so many other I'm going to say primarily men, although
there are some women who have also committed great crimes
to make great fortunes. And all these men have something
to protect when it comes to each other. When I
(26:41):
first heard of Jeffrey Epstein, my first thought was, how
does like a financial guy get hundreds of millions of
dollars in wealth? That has never been clear to me.
And one of the things that has not been talked
about is money laundering. You know, every therapist in California
was made to sign of form this year verifying that
(27:03):
we were not monitoring laundering money. It was such a
strange thing. Lowly therapists who are out there serving the public,
just trying to do our job, had to validate that
we are not money launders. And yet you have somebody
like Jeffrey Epstein who has billions of dollars going in
and out of his account and everybody turns a blind eye.
(27:27):
That means that everybody's benefiting in some way.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Nancy.
Speaker 11 (27:30):
Either they're benefiting because they have access to underage girls.
They're benefiting because they can launder money too, or they're
benefiting just because they get these dinners and private rides
to the island.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
You know, it's like.
Speaker 11 (27:43):
Paying for friends, insinuating your friends into your secrets knowing
more about them. Pretty soon you have a band of
thieves with everybody standing up for each other. A quick analogy, Nancy,
is you know those spy movies where the I is
a double spy and decides to extricate himself. He's on
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the run, but everywhere he looks there's an enemy. Because
he knows too much. Everybody wants him dead. All those
so called people he was working for in the past
now need him gone because he's holding all of their secrets.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
And I kind of think.
Speaker 11 (28:19):
That that's what's happening right now that our current administration
is saying, look the other way, look the other way,
don't think about what's really happening.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
What's really happening is there are probably.
Speaker 11 (28:29):
Hundreds of people who needed Jeffrey Epstein gone for multiple reasons.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Lynn Shaw joining me, she has a very special voice today.
Lynn Shaw, founder director Lynz Warriors, committed to ending sex
trafficking of women and girls, she's the host of Lynnz
Warriors on YouTube. Lee When I think about let's just
go with Virginia's your friv but there's so many. There's
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literally thousands of girls over decades that he write put
telling you like it is. Angal Maxwell is a monster.
She didn't just leave the girls in there and make
it seem okay that they were about to get raped.
She took part in them lest stations and now she's
at Club fed. I don't know what happened at Lolita
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Island down in the US Virgin Islands. I don't know
what happened, but I wasn't there, but based on what
the victims say, it was awful. And now we've got
him with billions of dollars and we're counting on the
wealthy and politically powerful to release those files bring it
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home in what is this really about?
Speaker 12 (29:44):
Nancy? I have given this so much thought, knowing victims,
working with victims of Glen's and Jeffrey Epstein's, and you
know what I'm going to say, and I'm going to
let everybody else figure it out, top down, top down.
We have so many unanswered questions. Should you talk about
a two tier justice system? What about the victims out
there on top of this dirty ditty case we got this,
(30:06):
Why did Pam Bondy even open her mouth and start
with those binders that she said she went to FedEx
and created them herself, and she made influencers hold them
up and opened the can of worms. And now it's
one lie after the other. But let's get back to
that justice system. We've got all these victims. I always
heard being here in New York City, Jeffrey Epstein was
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a sex trafficking operation of children. Do I have proof?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
No?
Speaker 12 (30:33):
That is what I heard on the street. And you
know what, when you blackmail people with children, that's where
you make a lot of money worldwide. And you showed
an image earlier and I saw it. I was looking
something up earlier. He had crates that were labeled child porn,
kitty porn, young and younger. Where are all those tapes?
We never really heard much about them at all. We
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always heard that in France that was a total child
sex trafing operation of eleven, twelve and thirteen year old girls.
So I ask you all this information. Now we've got
the administration telling us look the other way. We've got
orange blobs, we got a guy who looks like you know,
he supposedly killed himself with orange paper towels. Please, and
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you know what about these victims, Let's keep going back
to that. They're watching all of this and again on
top of Diddy. This is why they never come forward.
This is why we have such a hard time in
the court system, because they're not believed, they're dismissed, and
all the focus is put on these monsters like Gallaine,
who is a predator, a monster, and now she gets
to run around with Elizabeth Holmes from Thoroughnos and jog
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and lift weights. I don't understand any of this, but
I do understand we have so many girls and victims
looking at this, crying their eyes out, begging me what
is going on?
Speaker 1 (31:47):
LNN. Speaking of Pam Bondie, listen to what she once
promised us. This is from our friends at Fox News.
Speaker 13 (31:53):
What you're going to see, hopefully tomorrow, is a lot
of flight logs, a lot of names. It's a lot
of information, but pretty sick what that man did. A
source had told me where the documents were being kept,
Southern District of New York.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Shock.
Speaker 13 (32:12):
So we got them all by, hopefully all of them
Friday at eight am, thousands of pages of documents. I
have the FBI going through them. Director Patel is going
to get us a detailed report as to why the
FBI withheld all of those documents.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Joining us right now is a very special guest. It
is Jeffrey Epstein's brother, Mark Epstein. Mark, thank you for
being with us.
Speaker 14 (32:37):
Welcome, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
You know, Mark, I know that people are using you
like a crystal ball to try to see into the
mind of your brother, Jeffrey Epstein. What I want to
talk to you about is that orange clad figure that
is now appearing on video and people are seeing it
for the first time, which is concerned and not in
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a good way that we're just now seeing video which
looks like someone walking up and down a stairwell, coming
out of a stairwell and walking around on your brother's floor.
Now we've been told, oh, maybe it's somebody carrying laundry. Well,
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can I tell you just off the bat, Mark Epstein.
After having been in many, many correctional institutes and jails
and juv jails, you name it, I've been in it.
No one walks around without their hands free. Okay, It's
not like I'm carrying the dirty clothes from the back
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of the house to the launder room in the front
of the house with my arms full. No in a CI, Mark,
if dirty clothes were being transported, they would be in
a pushhamper with wheels. No one walks around their arms
full of stuff. If you let's just let's just use
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the movies as an example, something that everyone would have seen.
You don't see Warden's walking the halls of a max
CI or any CI with their hands full. Their hands
are free because you never know when you're going to
be attacked or you have to break up a fight
between inmates. You don't know what's going to happen. So
that is not anybody carrying a load of laundry up
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and down steps.
Speaker 14 (34:30):
Mark, Well, there's a lot of things on that video
that don't make sense. In the early part of the video,
they said that they saw Jeffrey, you know, being walked
into his cell. First of all, you can't tell if
that's Jeffrey or not. You can't tell who it is.
And you don't just walk into Jeffrey's shell off of
that common area. You have to go up that staircase
through a barred, locked door and then into the cell.
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He was the first sell on the right hand side
of the tier, so you don't just casually walk into
his cell. And you know, said before, every time the
government tries to squash this thing, they just get deeper
into a hole with misinformation. People have viewed the videotape
and they've seen it's been edited, and it's been dopted,
and it's split from a couple of different feeds. So yeah,
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you know, how do you trust this? You can't, you know,
And with the thing with the video too early on,
Bill Barr said that, you know, he saw the videotape
and he saw that nobody went in or out of
the tier, and that convinced him that it was a suicide.
I've pointed out before how ridiculous that is, because there
were about a dozen other inmates on that tier that
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theoretically could have killed somebody without having to come and
go from the tier. So to completely ignore that fact
and to come to the conclusion that of the suicide.
And now when you add in the fact that the
video does not show the door to the tier, and
people can get to the door to the tier, go
and come without being caught on camera. So I don't
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know what footage Bill Barr was referring to. If this
is if this is the only video available, you know,
maybe he wants to reconsider his conclusion, because to me,
he looks foolish to come to that conclusion with the
fact that you can see the door to the tear
and there were other people, possible, possibly that could have
done this. This was not looked at as a homicide
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investigation by them calling it a suicide very early on.
It eliminates any further investigating because if it's a suicide,
there's not much to investigate. But it was never investigated
as a homicide, and people starting to ask for that.
So I was working with a group of people that
were trying to investigate this, and they were using the
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assistance of AI, and they put in like all the
information that we have, or a lot of the information
that we have, and the AI came up with a
probability that this was seventy five percent chance of a
homicide and only twenty five percent chance of a suicide.
One of the reasons that couldn't be more specific is
we don't have, you know, pictures of hell his body
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was found, you know, they moved his body if he
was found, which they shouldn't have done, so there's no
sort of crime scene was messed up. And also the
fact that the situation with the three broken bones in
Jeffrey's neck turns out that kind of fipball breakage only
occurs in less than two percent of hanging of this
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alleged type. So the AI put all the origin together
and came up with seventy five percent chance of homicide
and twenty five percent chance of suicide.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Experts now questioning the government's account of what happened the
night that Jeffrey Epstein was killed, and this as new
CCT footage has been uncovered with a mystery orange figure
near his cell just hours before he dies. Now, why
are eleven hours of video from outside his cell at
(37:54):
Metropolitan Correctional Center just now being released. This so called
mystery blob in orange is not someone carrying laundry. That's
not true. Okay, I've been in enough SIS to note
that's not true. When I would go in a CIO
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would be totally hands free. If I can add something, yes,
please do.
Speaker 14 (38:20):
If I can it. I would like to see the
continuation of that video and to try to see what
the situation was when they took Jeffrey's body off of
that to you you know who was there, what condition
he was saying, if you could see it. Well, there's
also another camera that was working that they're not releasing
video footage from it, or if they ever will. So
where's the footage from that second camera that was recording.
(38:43):
I'd like to see that.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Well, here's another thing Mark we were led to believe
at the beginning, these two doors were showing right now
were the only ways to get in. And now see
this woman right there, She's got a pushcart on wheels.
She's got everything else wrapped around her like you know,
a mason would have an apron, or construction worker would
have an apron around his or her waist. Where she
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puts all our stuff hands free. I can't stress it
enough for safety. So to suggest this is somebody carrying
laundry is total bs. Now what I was saying before,
these two doors we were led to believe were the
entries and exits to Epstein's Tier No. Newly released and
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only partially see He's Hands Free to partially released video
shows us that there were other entrances and exits, at
least one that's a shock to the system.
Speaker 14 (39:36):
Mark, Yes, it was, But I'm not surprising because so
much of the other stuff the government's putting out is
it turns out to be not. So let's put it
that way.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Why don't we just call it what it is. It's lies.
It's lies. They are lies. And when there's a lie,
you know, even no matter how bad it is, say,
the two guards really did fall asleep, really were shopping
online at the exact time your brother was killed, which
is very far fetched, very far fetched. Indeed, even if
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one of the cameras wasn't working, you know a lot
of coincidences, don't lie about it. So why are they
lying about this? That tells me that something sinister or
nefarious is happening if you have to lie about it, Mark.
Speaker 14 (40:27):
Yeah, Well, Also what's happening is that more and more
people who look at all the information that we have
and not just listen to what the government says, nobody
comes to the conclusion that this was a suicide. So
now you have to look at it as a potential homicide.
And one of the things that a homicide investigator would
look at was who did it and why, So you
have to look at now, who might have possibly been
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able to pull off this kind of thing, to coordinate
this murder in a federal prison. And that's what people
should start asking about, is you know, since it's not
clearly not a suicide, who did this? N why? That's
that's what how much I investigated would look at. And
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that's what sud I'd like to see them real opening.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Absolutely And in this eleven hour clip, which is already
facing claims of being doctored, you clearly see a shadowy
orange figure moving up the stairs to Epstein's cell block,
and this is timed at ten forty pm, the night
before he was found dead. Shortly after, again, federal investigators
(41:36):
are lying claiming that a COEO corrections officer was carrying
linen or inmate clothing. No that no, it is actually
another inmate dressed in orange, or someone else dressed as
an inmate in orange. Okay, I'm going to circle back
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to this figure going up and down the stairs. It's
I can see it, and there are other clips where
you see it even better. This is not someone caring laundry.
Do they think we're idiots? I mean you can see
it moving like taking steps. Oh, it's an insult to
anyone with even half a brain. For Pete's sake, with me, guys,
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a special guest tonight. It's Mark Epstein. This is Jeffrey
Epstein's brother. Mark. As you know, I am not political.
I do not mix politics with crime. I think it's
very dangerous and hurts crime victims. But isn't it true
that you spoke to your brother Jeffrey Epstein while Trump
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was in his office?
Speaker 14 (42:41):
Yes, that's true. I would speak to Jeffrey and I
ask him what he's doing, and he'll tell me he's
with so and so whatever in a new time is
still or at least at one time, I remember he
said he is it Trump And there are people who
work for Jeffrey that was in his office. That's what
Trump and there frequently. So I don't know why he
can possibly come out and say that he was evering Jeffrey.
So makes you know, it's such a blatant lie that
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I don't know who would believe that after so many
people he testified it. That's not so.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
What did you believe your brother did for a living?
What did he tell you he did for a living?
Speaker 14 (43:13):
Why don't he managed large sums of money for wealthy people,
and he invested his own money. That's about as far
as I know. I knew very few of his actual
business dealings. They are one years ago. I know he
bought or a group of people that he was with
bought the company right now. It's the company I made
football helmets for all the teams, So he owned that
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for a while. And I know because he told me,
and he also sent me a jets helmet from the company.
That's what he did.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
He was I'll sell you why I'm asking you, Mark,
I'm telling you why i'm asking. From the records I've reviewed,
he had about six hundred million dollars at the height
of his wealth, six hundred million dollars at the height
of his health. But then when you look at other
wire transfers, they're up to the billions as viz In
(44:05):
Brother billions of dollars transferred to accounts, including a flagged
Russian bank. I know you don't know the intricate dealings
of his business affairs. This is why I'm asking. When
you got a guy that has access to billions beez
(44:27):
In Brother, billions of dollars unlike anything I can imagine
growing up on a red dirt road, but billions of
dollars with very influential people, possibly Russian bankers, and he
ends up dead behind bars, and everybody still says it
was a suicide. That's so far fetch. You see where
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I'm going. You can't be unguarded in a CI and
end up dead under these circu cumstances. Having transferred billions
of dollars and dealt with all sorts of powerful, influential
and wealthy people across the world, I mean billions of dollars. Mark,
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where did that come from? Do you have any idea?
Speaker 14 (45:19):
Well, the only thing is that business he was in.
What he did, he handled lots of money for very
well chifful billionaires, So chances are he was investing their
money and moving their money to where it needed to go.
Should be. That's the only thing I can think of
what he would be transferring so much money from.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
His personal accounts. So if they're from his personal accounts,
that won't wash. But you know what, I haven't seen
them all, So maybe some of that was his client's money.
That is an innocent explanation. Do I believe it?
Speaker 15 (45:51):
No?
Speaker 1 (45:51):
But could some of it be attributed to his personal accounts?
Maybe Hey, did you ever meet Julane Maxwell.
Speaker 14 (45:58):
Yes, yes, back in the nine is Jeffrey Glenn met
about nineteen ninety one or ninety two. It became close
and back then we alway used to hang out together
a lot. Yes, I knew Hope kind of.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Well back then, what was she like, Mark, Well, she just.
Speaker 14 (46:13):
Seemed you know. I mean, it's hard for me to say.
I don't want to get involved with personal stuff. I'm
interested in the circumstances of my brother's death. I don't
want to get into the cases with my brother or
Glen or anybody else. I really want to focus on
the circumstances I was dead. I can't add much to
what Glenn was like. There was nothing remarkable about it
that I feel the need to comment on.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Okay, I accept that. Why do you believe Mark, the
White House will not release the files.
Speaker 14 (46:42):
Well, I think there's things that they're hiding. That's why.
I mean, their Justice Department is covering everything up. So
I believe potentially maybe the hiding information they don't want
things out. I can't think of any other reason.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
To say I agree with you. Mark. It's it's not
just the homicide, it's the lying it's the hiding, it's
the subterfuge, it's the cover up. We were told over
and over that these files will be released, and now
they're not. Hey, one more thing, Mark, before you leave
us tonight. You were talking about your brother being brought
(47:15):
back to his cell. I believe from the showers he
was allowed to go to the showers to make a
phone call from what we've been told, which is completely
not kosher. But listen to this.
Speaker 15 (47:26):
While correctional officers admitted that Epstein was allowed to make
an unmonitored phone call in the showers before he was
returned to his cell at seven forty pm, co Tova
Noel claims she left Epstein in the showers alone to
use the restroom, and by the time she returned, someone
else had already escorted Epstein back to his cell. However,
(47:48):
it appears that Noel remains in the unit during the
call and does personally walk Epstein back toward the staircase
to cell Block.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
L Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 15 (48:08):
Another female staffer left the unit shortly before Noel gave
the escort and return shortly after Epstein was allegedly safely
returned to his cell.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
So this correctional officer Toevin Noel says, she leaves him
in the showers to use the restroom in what we
now know to make an unmonitored phone call, which is
not prison procedure to make phone calls, to allow an
inmate to make private phone calls from the bathroom. No
that said Tovin Nowell claims she leaves him in the
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showers and by the time she comes back someone had
escorted him to his cell But apparently on the video,
it appears she remains in the unit during Epstein's call
and does walk him back to his cell block. So
why lie doesn't It's a small detail, mark, but it's
an important detail.
Speaker 14 (48:59):
Yeah, I've proven well and Michael Thomas, the two gods
that got into trouble, initially refused to talk about any
of this. We're trying to get to them to find
out again the main question of what position Jeffrey was
really in when they found him, and they won't talk. Now,
this is clearly a suicide. Why is such secrecy? Why
is everybody so mum? Why is everybody afraid to speak?
(49:21):
They got they were let off, the charges against them
were dismissed. You know, a person is dead because of
their lack of doing a job properly, and they just
walk free. Whether Jeffrey committed suicide or he was killed,
he was under the protection of the federal government in
a federal prison. You know, these are case that have
been allowed to happen, and because of the behavior of
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these two gods, Jeffrey ended up dead and they're walking free.
So the question to ask is what kind of deal
did they make and why aren't they talking? What are
they afraid of?
Speaker 1 (49:53):
Regardless of what I think about Epstein, he's your brother,
your blood. I'm sorry for what you and your family
have been through. Mark. Thank you for being with us.
More to come.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
Comber responds to Gilane Maxwell's ransom letter, agrees to postpone
the deposition, but publicly stated the committee will not, under
any circumstances, considered granting Maxwell congressional immunity pardon for who
for Killaine Maxwell?
Speaker 1 (50:22):
Well, I'm allowed to give her a part. Nobody's approached
me with it, nobody's asked me about it.
Speaker 15 (50:30):
DC insiders are concerned Maxwell's bid for a pardon is
gaining traction after her meetings with Deputy Attorney General Todd
Blanche led to her being moved to a less restrictive
low security prison against BOP rules without a waiver because
she is a convicted sex offender.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
Straight out to veteran trial lawyer joining us Eric Fatus.
He is a founding partner of Foreigner Fattus, elite legal
former felony prosecutor. Look, you don't need to draw five
hundred pounds piano in my head. I get it. She
mates with the Feds to talk about this case, and
(51:07):
suddenly she's moved an honor dorm facility, right.
Speaker 2 (51:11):
I mean, you don't need to be a legal expert
to kind of read the tea leaves on that. Clearly
there is some level of cooperation that's going on, And
there are kind of two schools of thought. One is
that the federal government is truly and purely investigating and
wants to get to the bottom of this, wants to
give the people transparency, wants to pursue accountability for those implicated.
(51:33):
The other school of thought is that this is kind
of a facade, kind of an effort to protect certain
higher up individuals, and so, you know, is there something
more nefarious going on?
Speaker 1 (51:46):
When we see Glene Maxwell being.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
Transferred to this cushy U prison facility that that like
Lynchaucet has Elizabeth Fair and or Elizabeth Holmes the nose
person and you know they're hanging out playing tennis or whatever.
Speaker 7 (51:59):
Raises a few.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
Gilaene Maxwell has just been moved to a minimum security
club FED lock up. Doctor Dwayne Hendricks joining us well
known former associate Award and MDC and more. Doctor Hendrix
describe the Club FED where Gillaene Maxwell is now housed.
Speaker 4 (52:18):
Well, it hous about six hundred and fifty inmates. Less
you know, she came from a facility with security fence
around in Tallahassee which held twelve hundred inmates. Basically, you know,
other than having to stand up account at four o'clock
at nine o'clock every every evening and on the weekends
and holidays at ten am, she's pretty much got freedom,
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you know.
Speaker 7 (52:42):
She she's able.
Speaker 4 (52:43):
To walk out of her dorm and catch sunlight and
catch the sunrise and the sunset, go to the gym,
go to religious programming, and all those other things that
other inmates at minimum security facilities can do. She can
also be eligible to work in the community, because that's
what when people say you can go to a camp.
(53:04):
Basically inmates are in the community doing community projects.
Speaker 14 (53:09):
You know.
Speaker 4 (53:09):
One of the things that rolls my eyebrows in this
case is that typically inmates with more than ten years
cannot be housed at a camp. So this will be
the first time that I'm ever hearing of and I
did designations many years ago in the Northern District of California.
Typically inmates, especially those who are convicted of sex trafficking,
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would not be at a camp, especially above ten years
remaining on their sentence. So she definitely after the meeting
she had with them, she did get some perks, being
allowed to move from Florida to Texas to Brian.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
Okay, here's what I've learned about her new digs. It's
dormitory style housing. There is no perimeter sense. We're told
she can play tennis, ping, pong, volleyball, yoga, pilates, a
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gym equipped with treadmills, ellipticals, stairmasters, and weights. They have
the puppy program where she gets to pet and play
with puppies. A commissary where she can buy all sorts
of high end beauty aids, creams, euthanizers, hair products. Visitors
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allowed weekends holidays, so many freedoms, low low security, freedom
to move around the facilities, grounds, outdoors with limited perimeter fencing,
vegan diet. It just goes on and on. Lynn Shaw,
(54:58):
founder Lynn's Warriors. Isn't it true that convicted tom molesters
are not allowed in low security facilities period?
Speaker 4 (55:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (55:09):
Absolutely, We've never heard of anybody convicted sex trafficking being
allowed in a facility like this. I've spoken to a
lot of people to question them to make sure I
know what I'm talking about. They've never heard of this.
But I have to ask you something. Let me flip
it for a minute. Perhaps she might be the next
Jeffrey Epstein. Why is she allowed in a place with
(55:30):
no perimeter? But I'll tell you who doesn't have yoga
and vegan meals and high end beauty products. All of
the victims and survivors of Jeffrey Epstein and Golene Maxwell,
who are living for the rest of their lives with
this trauma that they will never get over. It doesn't
just end when you go through horrific circumstances like sex trafficking, grooming,
(55:52):
all of this abuse, you know what, it lives with
you forever. So while she's having a good time. I
think we should all assume she gave some kind of information.
She's being protected. Something more is going on here. I'm
going to say it again, like a broken record, top down.
Speaker 1 (56:07):
I'm looking at a photo right now of some of
the women in this dorm facility, and they actually have
hand weights. It looks like Mommy's morning out and they're
all in little matching shorts and T shirt gem outfits,
you know, like everybody matches their outfits in the Hamptons. Well,
here they are, and they actually have hand weights, which
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is a huge no no because one inmate can haul
off and hit a warden or another inmate with those weights.
They're out in a grassy area like a park, and
they're walking and laughing with their hand weights. Now we
(56:50):
are learning tisaatels that we're getting a new excuse for
moving her to a new jail, saying that any ascertation
she's getting preferential treatment is absurd. Prisoners are routinely moved.
That's bs. What do you know about her new digs?
(57:11):
Taste of tales, her new digs.
Speaker 6 (57:13):
The streets are saying is a reward now for what?
Because they say it's for information? She might have given.
But like you pointed out, there is one point one
billion dollars with over four thousand wire transfers going in
and out of account You can talk to all the
people that own the accounts that are going in and out.
You can talk to the Pope, Mick Jagger, you can
(57:34):
talk to President Clinton, and you can talk to President Trump.
There are a million ways we can get more information.
How we can even go back to that old case,
the fact that now it looks like to me and
everybody else, it is a thinly veiled excuse to give
this woman presidential treatment.
Speaker 1 (57:52):
Everybody's horrified.
Speaker 6 (57:54):
But again, to go back to what Lynn said, just say,
Maxwell might want to be the one that's being horrified.
You get you get moved to a prison that has
barely any security.
Speaker 1 (58:05):
You get moved to an honor.
Speaker 6 (58:06):
Unit where all the good kids that got a gold
star on the report card in federal jail get moved to.
You're now there sitting there like a sitting duck. Again,
why would she move? I would be very worried if
you look at what happened in Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 12 (58:21):
He was supposed to have a mandatory roommate roommate up.
Speaker 6 (58:25):
The day of his death, the roommate was inexplicably moved
out of a sale. He was alone for over eleven hours.
There's supposed to be thirty minute checks. This is in
the highest profile.
Speaker 1 (58:36):
Case in a highly secured prison. We wait as god
willing justice unfolds. Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend.
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace an Epstein bombshell. A shadowy
figure dressed as an inmate. It spotted climbing the stairs
to Epstein's cell. What and we're just getting eleven new
(00:22):
hours of video? Where's that video been all this time?
I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to
thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
They've admitted there's thousands of thousands of pages.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Who came to his place, who flew on his plane,
who went on the Lolita Express, who went to his
private island where girls who are molested? Something stinks. I
want justice. It's been described as a mystery orange blob,
but that is not entirely true. Let's take a look
at a clip we got from the video that has
just been released. You have to look in the original copy.
(00:58):
It's a lot easier to but it is an elongated
orange figure. It's not as they're trying to tell us
somebody carrying laundry that had that. That's much better. That's
much better. These are steps going up to Epstein's tier. Okay,
(01:21):
we've been told the guards were asleep and one was
shopping online when he was killed. We've been told the
two doors we've seen over and over and over the
only way to get onto his cell tier. That is
a lie. See those two doors, total bs. Those are
not the only two ways to get in and out
of that tier. Now, we also were told that there's
(01:45):
a problem with the CCTV that you can't see Epstein sell. Well, okay,
everything we're being fed is poison. Take a listen to this.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
The public was already skeptical of the DJ's The footage
from the shoe where Jeffrey Epstein was housed clearly shows
Epstein is the only person who entered his sub block
the night of his death. A mysterious orange blob climbing
the steps to L Block has eviscerated all trust. In
their review, the Inspector General says the movement on the
staircase around ten forty pm is co Jovian Noel carrying
(02:21):
inmate Lennon's up to the L block, but video analysis
experts say it's more likely the figure was wearing orange,
not carrying orange material.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Joining us an all star panel to make sense of
what we are learning tonight. But I can tell you
this having been in innumerable CI's correctional institutes jails halfway houses, GV, jails,
you name it. I've been in it, Max Hardcore death Row,
(02:51):
been there. No body walks the halls and CI with
their hands full of law laundry. That doesn't happen. Your
hands have to be free. If someone were transporting laundry,
it would have been in a rollerbin. As a matter
of fact, we're going to show you in a moment
(03:13):
a worker coming out with a rollerbin. But see down there,
hands free? Everybody hands free. And first of all, before
I go to our investigative report, I want to go
to doctor Dwayne Hendrix, former Associate warden at MBC and Brooklyn,
former Senior warden USDJ Department of Justice with the Federal
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Bureau of Prisons. It goes on and on, founder President
New Daylight Foundation and author up see the wheelie, That's
what I'm talking about. She has her hands free, and
everything she wants to carry, she's got it on a
workman's apron around her waist. That's sp author of who
are you see it? Say it sees it? Doctor Hendrix.
(03:55):
Isn't it true that in a CI, especially one that
houses dangerous inmates like this one, nobody is walking around
with an armload of laundry. That does here's another guy say,
hands free, what about it? Hendricks, Yes, that is true.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
All laundry is carried on a cart and if they're
inmate workers or there's normally orderly on each unit, even
if it's special housing. Typically it's an inmate who isn't
violent or doesn't have any serious history going on. So
typically they will have laundry on the car and the inmate,
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the staff will open the slots and the inmate will
take whatever laundry from the inmate and then they exchange.
So there's so it has to be exchange for dirty
linen to clean linen, and that's standing operating procedure. Typically,
laundry exchanges are normally happened during business hours. Sometimes they
may happen during the evening, but after the nine o'clock count,
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inmates a lockdown and there's really no reason for them
to be out of their cell after that nine o'clock
stand account.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Well, you're gonna flip when I tell you this, doctor Hendrix.
According to the wardens on the floor, of course, one
went to sleep, one was online shopping or some bs
like that. They allowed Epstein to go into the bathroom
showers to make a private phone call, and I guarantee
(05:24):
you there ain't a payphone in the showers. Totally totally
violating the rules of the CI letting an inmate go
unsupervised into the bathrooms to make a phone call.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
No, first of all, he should have had a restroom, toilet,
and a sink in his cell. He did so typically,
so when typically when inmates make phone calls, they'll will
a phone with a long court to the cell. They'll
open the slot and the inmate will make the phone
call at the cell. So unless they took they took
(05:59):
an actually to someone's office to make an unmonitored call,
I don't see why that that phone call would have.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Happened, because typically it makes a special housing other than
their attorneys. You only get one call every thirty.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Days joining us an all star panel, and we've got
a lot to get through tonight. Number one his HNCH person,
who is a convicted child molester. She just didn't arrange
Epstein to get his mits on these twelve thirteen year
old little girls. She took part in the molestation. She's
a monster. Gleae Maxwell. She just got moved to a
(06:33):
cushriy basically camp, a camp there are no perimeters, they
have yoga, they walk freely. It's the cushiest club fed.
This is what you look up club fed in the dictionary.
It's this place. She's been moved there. Why is she
getting special treatment? What's happening with her? I don't like it,
(06:55):
That's one thing, But right now I'm more concerned about
who is the per walking up and down the cell
steps to Epstein's tier the night he was killed. It
was at I said earlier, almost eleven. It was ten
thirty nine pm. And you're so right Handricks, that is
not the time that laundry is exchanged or taken to
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the prison laundry. Okay, what do we know? Straight out
to Tisa Tails joining US investigative reporter. She's at Tisa
Talls on YouTube. Tisa hit me the.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
Fact that we are looking one a highly edited tape.
They released eleven hours. They said there was a minute
the skip. We now know that there's about eight minutes
missing from that tape.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
There's not even the full It's ten hours, fifty two minutes.
Speaker 6 (07:41):
We clearly see a shadowy orange figure and they won
us out in a did in a pulse didy trial
world to believe that it's some Tom and Jerry stack
of orange jumpsuits up to the ceiling that they're carrying
through the through the correctional facility, and they want.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Us to believe that that's not a human.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
The fact that the administration listen, who knows why they
are telling us not to believe, are lying eyes.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
But we see it for what it is. That is
a human being walking in to a self. Let's see
it again. She's right, T said my words exactly should
I believe you are my lion eyes? I see what
I see? Okay? Joining us is Epstein's brother, who also
(08:30):
agrees this is not anybody carrying laundry. But I want
to go back to what we know about Epstein's death?
What do we know? Joining me? Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics,
Jacksonville State University, Author, Blood Beneath My Feet, start of
a hit podcast, Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. Joe
Scott has attended over one thousand death sayings, death stains
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of all varieties, be it accidental, natural cause, or homicide.
Joe Scott does it never end? Okay? I see what
I'm seeing. I'm running it right here in front of me,
the person clad in orange. Is it an inmate in orange?
Why isn't he already in his cell? Why is he
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walking free? Was he sent to this tier? If so,
by whom, Why is he wandering around from tier to
tier in other words, floor to floor? Okay? Or is
this someone wearing inmate's clothes, which is even more disturbing.
But I do know it is a human. I believe
(09:38):
it is a male because they're tall, and they're wearing
the prison orange jumpsuit, and they're going to Jeffrey Epstein's
tier the night he's murdered. Why are you, like me,
so convinced Epstein was murdered And what does this mystery
(09:58):
orange clad person have to do? How does that factor
into your thesis?
Speaker 7 (10:06):
Well, you know, first off, I think it would be
an outlier relative to the injuries related to his death.
They're trying to call this a suicide, and the problem
is is that what has been left behind, which has
been well documented by doctor Boden, is the fact that
you've got this indwelling fractured cartilage in his neck. And
it's on both sides, Nancy, right here to the left
(10:29):
and the right of the Adams apple. And then on
top of that, you've got this fractured hyoid, which everybody
has gone on and on about. The problem is is
that they are saying that.
Speaker 8 (10:39):
He was hung.
Speaker 7 (10:40):
And one more thing we have to keep in mind.
Theme in this case has stated that this is what's
referred to as a soft hanging, which means he kind
of settled down into this thing. There was not a
lot of force with it. That's what she's opining, and
that the highwaid snap. Now she explains this by saying
that because of his a the hyoid was ossified to
(11:02):
the point where it's snap. Well maybe that's the case,
but you still cannot account for these cartilagianus fractures he
has inferior or below that region. That's why so many
of us are drawing this. You know, this blank stare
you get from us relative to you're trying to sell
us this.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
This is more.
Speaker 7 (11:22):
Consistent with a manual strangulation or or with a ligature
where direct pressure is being.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
I was just about to disagree with you because this
is clearly ligature. I mean, when you look at the pictures,
this is not manual. Joe Scott, Now I see in
the back what you're talking about. I see in the
back it looks like it could be maybe a thumbprint
digging in. No, I think that's the ligature from behind.
(11:51):
But the front shot that is not by hand, right.
Speaker 7 (11:55):
Can you keep this up here for just a quick set, Nancy,
So you see this, it's very very very deep. Do
you see how dark it almost looks like it looks
like I think people would say, gee, that looks like
a scap. Well, that is actually a furrow abrasion. That's
what it's referred to. And it's very very deep. This
does not marry up with all of that dirty cloth
(12:17):
that they've got laying around on the floor inside of
his cell, that squalid area where he was living. And also,
if you could please go back to the other image
of his throat, you will see a mark that is
slightly above that furrow, and just to the left side
there's kind of that abraided area. It looks kind of
linear right there, it's superior to the furrows. That's kind
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of that's what would be termed as like a readjustment mark,
where this thing is being manipulated in some way. So
do we have a couple of things going on here?
Is it plausible that you could not only have a
ligature at work here, but then you have somebody applying
direct manual pressure with their hand in adjacent and adjacent
(13:05):
to this or as a part of this, to bring
about his death. I think that that's very interesting. I'll
shut up after this.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Okay, that was a lot of words. And the only
reason I'm interrupting with jobs. Everybody crazy is driving me
crazy is because that was so much of a download.
I'm not saying any of us wrong. I do say
this was not a manual. I mean, I'm not a
death investigator like you, but I can look at that
and tell you that was a ligature strangulation. I don't
need to be an expert to note that was not manual.
(13:36):
But everything else I completely agree. But you have to
you know, when you feed a baby, that's not a
death investigator, you give it one spoon at a time.
That's not what you just did. Just give me your
most sailing and important point and maybe I can digest
that hit me.
Speaker 7 (13:52):
Yeah, Well, you've got multiple things going on here, Nancy,
and we still have to be able to explain the
fractured hyoid that is actually above or superior to that furrow. Okay,
that's why I'm saying that there could be a couple
of things going on here to kind of finish someone off.
That's what you know, kind of let.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Me digest that. Okay, See, this is what happens when
I would go to the medical Examiner's office. Everything they
would say to stop. Okay, let me make a note
of that in regular English. Let me see, Joe Scott, please,
you're saying that the ligature marks, which is so bad
we may not be able to show the public. They
go straight across and they're really deep, and one part
(14:32):
looks scabby. Yeah, yeah, very Obviously it's like a scab,
but it's not. It looks like deep bruising heat. Morgan,
Just explain it now. You just said you've got the
mark across the neck and the broken hyoid. You said
it's superior, But I think that means above that. Is
that what that means?
Speaker 8 (14:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (14:51):
Up here?
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Okay, So that would indicate manual there at the hyoid.
Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 7 (14:59):
Yes, carmative, Right.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
I got it, I got it. Okay, go ahead, one
more thing.
Speaker 7 (15:05):
When you look at that furrow, Nancy, the furrow runs
parallel to his shoulders. It doesn't go up. If you're
talking about a hanging, you have to get this. It's
called we use the term tinting feature te n T
I n G. Where the sink comes up to an
apex like this in the back of the head. Anybody
that's ever seen this, I.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Call it a smiling.
Speaker 7 (15:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
It goes from ear down to ear like a big sile,
which is ironic because it's you know, that would be
a suicide if you had the smiling right there. But
when it's straight across, that indicates somebody from behind yanking
back straight across. I mean, it's so clear. I mean,
did they think we just fell off the turnip truck?
(15:50):
This is not going away, and I don't like it
when it dies down in the headlines. No, it's not
going away. And to try to feed us this line
of b as than eleven new hours have just been released. Okay,
to the point of tonight, Joe Scott, how does this figure?
(16:10):
It's been referred to as a blog, but it's clearly
a person a mail in a prison orange going up
the tier steps to Epstein's floor. Why are they there?
They're not supposed to be there. This tells me, there's
more accessible, there are more entries and excess to this tier.
(16:31):
How does that factor into your scenario? And this went
down at ten thirty nine PM, that's the time of
the video.
Speaker 7 (16:38):
Yeah, so I think that it would be really important
to try to understand what the status of his body
was when he was found, body temperature, these sorts of
things to try to understand Tom since death. Here's one
more piece of this, a bit of video that I
would like to see. That's fascinating seeing that figure going
up the stairs. I want to see if there's any
(16:58):
video showing somebody a descending hours later, minutes later, whatever
the case might be. And how do you explain that image?
How do you explain that person that is retreating from
this location. That's going to be the real tail of
the tape there.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Scott, listen to this.
Speaker 9 (17:15):
The footage released from the MCC offers a limited view
of the shoe common area and just a sliver of
the staircase to Jeffrey Epstein's cell block off camera. To
the right of the staircase is another entrance into the shoe.
According to correctional officers on duty, that entrance is locked
and blocked by a second locked door. One of those
doors is controlled remotely, while the other requires a key
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kept on the CEO's persons. However, multiple people are seen
entering and exiting, Whiletova Noel and Michael Thomas are nowhere
near the door or not in the unit at all.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Crime Stores with Nancy Grace, We're going to get rid
of the deep state. We're going to show you all
of the files. There's war over the Epstein files, and
if there's nothing in them, why not release them. We've
been told over and over and over that what's in
those files is shocking. Bill Gates, Prince Andrew Weirdo, Clinton Obama.
(18:18):
I've got another wrench throw in the works tonight. At
the height the height of his wealth, Epstein was worth
about six hundred million dollars. But now we have pieced
together the facts that he was transferring billions as an be,
(18:38):
as a brother, billions of dollars to multiple banks, including
flagged Russian banks. So they want me to believe a
guy that was worth billions of dollars, that was having
(18:59):
bus exchanges with the Russians and others, committed suicide just
as his case was going to trial. That did not happen. Listen.
Speaker 10 (19:13):
It is absolutely ludicrous for Pam Bondi to say that
there is nothing to investigate. Four thousand wire transfers is
a heck of a lot of lines for possible investigation.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Center run Widen claims there's plenty to investigate, including thousands
of lines of Epstein's wire transfers, that Epstein had to
fund his sex trafficking ranks somehow, and that the Treasury
Department has discovered four seven and twenty five wire transfers
totaling over a billion dollars flowing through just one of
Epstein's banks. They also found that Epstein had frequent dealings
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with a sanctioned Russian bank. Widen claims the DOJ has
financial records for Epstein and calls for them to be
released to the SFC for their investigation.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Sometimes don't even know what to say, So this is
just from one bank joining me. Todd Shipley, cyber crime expert,
former Detective Sergeant Reno twenty five years, author of Surviving
a cyber Attack, Securing Social Media, Protecting your Home, Investigating
Internet crimes. It goes on and on. He's at dark
(20:19):
intel dot info. Todd, thank you for being with us.
I hardly know where to start. But having worked at
the Federal Trade Commission in the Anti Trust Division, I'm
used to a lot of documents. When I have to
nearly five thousand wire transfers totaling over a billion dollars,
and that's just through one bank, including with sanctioned Russian banks,
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the DOJ is calling for an investigation. So Shipley, this
is what I want to throw at you. Think think
you think you use that noodle? Shipley. Epstein had lowly
to eye. He had his Manhattan seven floor stone Brownstone.
(21:08):
He had a mansion in Palm Beach. He had digs
where he would hang out in London. His sex ring
was world wide. He had little girls supply to him
from Jean Luke Brunelle in France. His reported net worth
(21:35):
was six hundred million. You want to tell me, with
the Russians, highly highly paid corporate clients who wanted sex
with little girls and he would fix them up, that
nobody wanted him dead, why do I need these five
(21:58):
thousand wire transfers tracked?
Speaker 8 (22:02):
Tell me, Shipley, it's astounding to hear that and understand
that there was that much money moving and nobody questioned
any of this especially when he's going to Russian oligarchs
that may or may not be sanctioned. That's hugely problematic.
And we know that you know what's been going on.
They can't do that, so it's terrible to see that
this is going on.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Okay, what I thought you were going to say, Shipley,
is we need to trace those wire transfers because it
could lead us to someone who has staggering wealth and
the ability to make I can think that happened even
behind Mars. That's what I thought you were going to say.
Speaker 8 (22:38):
Well, I can't, and I'm surprised that they haven't been
traced all those wire transfers to find out who's behind them,
not that they were just sent to him, but where
they went out to to identify all the people that
are in the ring, which has never been identified. And
that's been the whole problem with the Epstein case is
we don't know who's involved and who he's had ties with,
especially monetarily, so who sent him this money and was
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it for the girls? We don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
I guess you've heard the phrase follow the money. I mean,
you know, let me go out to doctor Bethany Marshall,
joining us renowned psychoanalyst, author of deal Breaker. You can
see her on Peacock Now and find her at doctor
Bethany marshall dot com. I want to see Bethany. Doctor Bethany.
You know what I don't like. I don't like a
two tier justice system for rich people and regular people.
(23:27):
I just read this article in the New York Times
and had the interior of Epstein's seven floor brownstone. There
were all sorts of objects of art. He had a
tiger stuffed and lounging on one of his Persian rugs.
(23:48):
He had a first edition wait for it, of Lolita.
Oh surprised Nebokhov about an old guy obsessed with and
raping a twelve year old little girl in a relationship
with her Lolita. He had people like Bannon, Israeli Prime
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Minister's presidents, Witty Allen, birds of the Feather over for dinner.
He would have scientists authors. But what floored me, of course,
you and I have similar backgrounds. You child of missionaries
all over the world and really bad conditions meet growing
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up on a red dirt road that flooded all the time.
When I looked at these pictures of all this expensive art,
these girls never had a chance. The wealthy are covering
for this guy in Bondie. The US attorney is letting
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it happen. I mean, we're mixing up photos here of
the wealth at Palm Beach, Lolita Island, his seventh floor
mansion in downtown Manhattan. It's just it's nauseating. It's nauseating.
And one victim described I believe she was thirteen or
(25:25):
fourteen being led in by Eileene Maxwell to give Epstein
a massage, and he was button naked. She's like thirteen,
She's never seen any grown man naked, and he the
quote massage starts. Then he has sex with the little girl.
(25:46):
It's a rape, of course, and then they give her
two hundred dollars a tipper like she's, you know, a waitress,
and she goes on her way. Then I look at
the opulence that he has, has billions and billions of dollars,
and it makes me sick. I mean, Bethany, when I
go to Kroger, I have to show two forms of
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identification to cash a chick, and here he is transferring
millions of dollars, even to Russia banks that have been flagged,
and nobody says a thing while he is raping little girls.
Speaker 11 (26:21):
Bethany, Nancy, have you ever heard the term behind every
great fortune lies a great crime. You know, he has
so many other I'm going to say primarily men, although
there are some women who have also committed great crimes
to make great fortunes. And all these men have something
to protect when it comes to each other. When I
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first heard of Jeffrey Epstein, my first thought was, how
does like a financial guy get hundreds of millions of
dollars in wealth? That has never been clear to me.
And one of the things that has not been talked
about is money laundering. You know, every therapist in California
was made to sign of form this year verifying that
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we were not monitoring laundering money. It was such a
strange thing. Lowly therapists who are out there serving the public,
just trying to do our job, had to validate that
we are not money launders. And yet you have somebody
like Jeffrey Epstein who has billions of dollars going in
and out of his account and everybody turns a blind eye.
(27:27):
That means that everybody's benefiting in some way.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Nancy.
Speaker 11 (27:30):
Either they're benefiting because they have access to underage girls.
They're benefiting because they can launder money too, or they're
benefiting just because they get these dinners and private rides
to the island.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
You know, it's like.
Speaker 11 (27:43):
Paying for friends, insinuating your friends into your secrets knowing
more about them. Pretty soon you have a band of
thieves with everybody standing up for each other. A quick analogy, Nancy,
is you know those spy movies where the I is
a double spy and decides to extricate himself. He's on
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the run, but everywhere he looks there's an enemy. Because
he knows too much. Everybody wants him dead. All those
so called people he was working for in the past
now need him gone because he's holding all of their secrets.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
And I kind of think.
Speaker 11 (28:19):
That that's what's happening right now that our current administration
is saying, look the other way, look the other way,
don't think about what's really happening.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
What's really happening is there are probably.
Speaker 11 (28:29):
Hundreds of people who needed Jeffrey Epstein gone for multiple reasons.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Lynn Shaw joining me, she has a very special voice today.
Lynn Shaw, founder director Lynz Warriors, committed to ending sex
trafficking of women and girls, she's the host of Lynnz
Warriors on YouTube. Lee When I think about let's just
go with Virginia's your friv but there's so many. There's
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literally thousands of girls over decades that he write put
telling you like it is. Angal Maxwell is a monster.
She didn't just leave the girls in there and make
it seem okay that they were about to get raped.
She took part in them lest stations and now she's
at Club fed. I don't know what happened at Lolita
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Island down in the US Virgin Islands. I don't know
what happened, but I wasn't there, but based on what
the victims say, it was awful. And now we've got
him with billions of dollars and we're counting on the
wealthy and politically powerful to release those files bring it
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home in what is this really about?
Speaker 12 (29:44):
Nancy? I have given this so much thought, knowing victims,
working with victims of Glen's and Jeffrey Epstein's, and you
know what I'm going to say, and I'm going to
let everybody else figure it out, top down, top down.
We have so many unanswered questions. Should you talk about
a two tier justice system? What about the victims out
there on top of this dirty ditty case we got this,
(30:06):
Why did Pam Bondy even open her mouth and start
with those binders that she said she went to FedEx
and created them herself, and she made influencers hold them
up and opened the can of worms. And now it's
one lie after the other. But let's get back to
that justice system. We've got all these victims. I always
heard being here in New York City, Jeffrey Epstein was
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a sex trafficking operation of children. Do I have proof?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
No?
Speaker 12 (30:33):
That is what I heard on the street. And you
know what, when you blackmail people with children, that's where
you make a lot of money worldwide. And you showed
an image earlier and I saw it. I was looking
something up earlier. He had crates that were labeled child porn,
kitty porn, young and younger. Where are all those tapes?
We never really heard much about them at all. We
(30:56):
always heard that in France that was a total child
sex trafing operation of eleven, twelve and thirteen year old girls.
So I ask you all this information. Now we've got
the administration telling us look the other way. We've got
orange blobs, we got a guy who looks like you know,
he supposedly killed himself with orange paper towels. Please, and
(31:16):
you know what about these victims, Let's keep going back
to that. They're watching all of this and again on
top of Diddy. This is why they never come forward.
This is why we have such a hard time in
the court system, because they're not believed, they're dismissed, and
all the focus is put on these monsters like Gallaine,
who is a predator, a monster, and now she gets
to run around with Elizabeth Holmes from Thoroughnos and jog
(31:37):
and lift weights. I don't understand any of this, but
I do understand we have so many girls and victims
looking at this, crying their eyes out, begging me what
is going on?
Speaker 1 (31:47):
LNN. Speaking of Pam Bondie, listen to what she once
promised us. This is from our friends at Fox News.
Speaker 13 (31:53):
What you're going to see, hopefully tomorrow, is a lot
of flight logs, a lot of names. It's a lot
of information, but pretty sick what that man did. A
source had told me where the documents were being kept,
Southern District of New York.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Shock.
Speaker 13 (32:12):
So we got them all by, hopefully all of them
Friday at eight am, thousands of pages of documents. I
have the FBI going through them. Director Patel is going
to get us a detailed report as to why the
FBI withheld all of those documents.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Joining us right now is a very special guest. It
is Jeffrey Epstein's brother, Mark Epstein. Mark, thank you for
being with us.
Speaker 14 (32:37):
Welcome, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
You know, Mark, I know that people are using you
like a crystal ball to try to see into the
mind of your brother, Jeffrey Epstein. What I want to
talk to you about is that orange clad figure that
is now appearing on video and people are seeing it
for the first time, which is concerned and not in
(33:01):
a good way that we're just now seeing video which
looks like someone walking up and down a stairwell, coming
out of a stairwell and walking around on your brother's floor.
Now we've been told, oh, maybe it's somebody carrying laundry. Well,
(33:21):
can I tell you just off the bat, Mark Epstein.
After having been in many, many correctional institutes and jails
and juv jails, you name it, I've been in it.
No one walks around without their hands free. Okay, It's
not like I'm carrying the dirty clothes from the back
(33:42):
of the house to the launder room in the front
of the house with my arms full. No in a CI, Mark,
if dirty clothes were being transported, they would be in
a pushhamper with wheels. No one walks around their arms
full of stuff. If you let's just let's just use
(34:05):
the movies as an example, something that everyone would have seen.
You don't see Warden's walking the halls of a max
CI or any CI with their hands full. Their hands
are free because you never know when you're going to
be attacked or you have to break up a fight
between inmates. You don't know what's going to happen. So
that is not anybody carrying a load of laundry up
(34:29):
and down steps.
Speaker 14 (34:30):
Mark, Well, there's a lot of things on that video
that don't make sense. In the early part of the video,
they said that they saw Jeffrey, you know, being walked
into his cell. First of all, you can't tell if
that's Jeffrey or not. You can't tell who it is.
And you don't just walk into Jeffrey's shell off of
that common area. You have to go up that staircase
through a barred, locked door and then into the cell.
(34:52):
He was the first sell on the right hand side
of the tier, so you don't just casually walk into
his cell. And you know, said before, every time the
government tries to squash this thing, they just get deeper
into a hole with misinformation. People have viewed the videotape
and they've seen it's been edited, and it's been dopted,
and it's split from a couple of different feeds. So yeah,
(35:15):
you know, how do you trust this? You can't, you know,
And with the thing with the video too early on,
Bill Barr said that, you know, he saw the videotape
and he saw that nobody went in or out of
the tier, and that convinced him that it was a suicide.
I've pointed out before how ridiculous that is, because there
were about a dozen other inmates on that tier that
(35:37):
theoretically could have killed somebody without having to come and
go from the tier. So to completely ignore that fact
and to come to the conclusion that of the suicide.
And now when you add in the fact that the
video does not show the door to the tier, and
people can get to the door to the tier, go
and come without being caught on camera. So I don't
(35:57):
know what footage Bill Barr was referring to. If this
is if this is the only video available, you know,
maybe he wants to reconsider his conclusion, because to me,
he looks foolish to come to that conclusion with the
fact that you can see the door to the tear
and there were other people, possible, possibly that could have
done this. This was not looked at as a homicide
(36:18):
investigation by them calling it a suicide very early on.
It eliminates any further investigating because if it's a suicide,
there's not much to investigate. But it was never investigated
as a homicide, and people starting to ask for that.
So I was working with a group of people that
were trying to investigate this, and they were using the
(36:39):
assistance of AI, and they put in like all the
information that we have, or a lot of the information
that we have, and the AI came up with a
probability that this was seventy five percent chance of a
homicide and only twenty five percent chance of a suicide.
One of the reasons that couldn't be more specific is
we don't have, you know, pictures of hell his body
(37:00):
was found, you know, they moved his body if he
was found, which they shouldn't have done, so there's no
sort of crime scene was messed up. And also the
fact that the situation with the three broken bones in
Jeffrey's neck turns out that kind of fipball breakage only
occurs in less than two percent of hanging of this
(37:21):
alleged type. So the AI put all the origin together
and came up with seventy five percent chance of homicide
and twenty five percent chance of suicide.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Experts now questioning the government's account of what happened the
night that Jeffrey Epstein was killed, and this as new
CCT footage has been uncovered with a mystery orange figure
near his cell just hours before he dies. Now, why
are eleven hours of video from outside his cell at
(37:54):
Metropolitan Correctional Center just now being released. This so called
mystery blob in orange is not someone carrying laundry. That's
not true. Okay, I've been in enough SIS to note
that's not true. When I would go in a CIO
(38:15):
would be totally hands free. If I can add something, yes,
please do.
Speaker 14 (38:20):
If I can it. I would like to see the
continuation of that video and to try to see what
the situation was when they took Jeffrey's body off of
that to you you know who was there, what condition
he was saying, if you could see it. Well, there's
also another camera that was working that they're not releasing
video footage from it, or if they ever will. So
where's the footage from that second camera that was recording.
(38:43):
I'd like to see that.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Well, here's another thing Mark we were led to believe
at the beginning, these two doors were showing right now
were the only ways to get in. And now see
this woman right there, She's got a pushcart on wheels.
She's got everything else wrapped around her like you know,
a mason would have an apron, or construction worker would
have an apron around his or her waist. Where she
(39:04):
puts all our stuff hands free. I can't stress it
enough for safety. So to suggest this is somebody carrying
laundry is total bs. Now what I was saying before,
these two doors we were led to believe were the
entries and exits to Epstein's Tier No. Newly released and
(39:24):
only partially see He's Hands Free to partially released video
shows us that there were other entrances and exits, at
least one that's a shock to the system.
Speaker 14 (39:36):
Mark, Yes, it was, But I'm not surprising because so
much of the other stuff the government's putting out is
it turns out to be not. So let's put it
that way.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Why don't we just call it what it is. It's lies.
It's lies. They are lies. And when there's a lie,
you know, even no matter how bad it is, say,
the two guards really did fall asleep, really were shopping
online at the exact time your brother was killed, which
is very far fetched, very far fetched. Indeed, even if
(40:10):
one of the cameras wasn't working, you know a lot
of coincidences, don't lie about it. So why are they
lying about this? That tells me that something sinister or
nefarious is happening if you have to lie about it, Mark.
Speaker 14 (40:27):
Yeah, Well, Also what's happening is that more and more
people who look at all the information that we have
and not just listen to what the government says, nobody
comes to the conclusion that this was a suicide. So
now you have to look at it as a potential homicide.
And one of the things that a homicide investigator would
look at was who did it and why, So you
have to look at now, who might have possibly been
(40:48):
able to pull off this kind of thing, to coordinate
this murder in a federal prison. And that's what people
should start asking about, is you know, since it's not
clearly not a suicide, who did this? N why? That's
that's what how much I investigated would look at. And
(41:09):
that's what sud I'd like to see them real opening.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Absolutely And in this eleven hour clip, which is already
facing claims of being doctored, you clearly see a shadowy
orange figure moving up the stairs to Epstein's cell block,
and this is timed at ten forty pm, the night
before he was found dead. Shortly after, again, federal investigators
(41:36):
are lying claiming that a COEO corrections officer was carrying
linen or inmate clothing. No that no, it is actually
another inmate dressed in orange, or someone else dressed as
an inmate in orange. Okay, I'm going to circle back
(41:56):
to this figure going up and down the stairs. It's
I can see it, and there are other clips where
you see it even better. This is not someone caring laundry.
Do they think we're idiots? I mean you can see
it moving like taking steps. Oh, it's an insult to
anyone with even half a brain. For Pete's sake, with me, guys,
(42:18):
a special guest tonight. It's Mark Epstein. This is Jeffrey
Epstein's brother. Mark. As you know, I am not political.
I do not mix politics with crime. I think it's
very dangerous and hurts crime victims. But isn't it true
that you spoke to your brother Jeffrey Epstein while Trump
(42:39):
was in his office?
Speaker 14 (42:41):
Yes, that's true. I would speak to Jeffrey and I
ask him what he's doing, and he'll tell me he's
with so and so whatever in a new time is
still or at least at one time, I remember he
said he is it Trump And there are people who
work for Jeffrey that was in his office. That's what
Trump and there frequently. So I don't know why he
can possibly come out and say that he was evering Jeffrey.
So makes you know, it's such a blatant lie that
(43:03):
I don't know who would believe that after so many
people he testified it. That's not so.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
What did you believe your brother did for a living?
What did he tell you he did for a living?
Speaker 14 (43:13):
Why don't he managed large sums of money for wealthy people,
and he invested his own money. That's about as far
as I know. I knew very few of his actual
business dealings. They are one years ago. I know he
bought or a group of people that he was with
bought the company right now. It's the company I made
football helmets for all the teams, So he owned that
(43:34):
for a while. And I know because he told me,
and he also sent me a jets helmet from the company.
That's what he did.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
He was I'll sell you why I'm asking you, Mark,
I'm telling you why i'm asking. From the records I've reviewed,
he had about six hundred million dollars at the height
of his wealth, six hundred million dollars at the height
of his health. But then when you look at other
wire transfers, they're up to the billions as viz In
(44:05):
Brother billions of dollars transferred to accounts, including a flagged
Russian bank. I know you don't know the intricate dealings
of his business affairs. This is why I'm asking. When
you got a guy that has access to billions beez
(44:27):
In Brother, billions of dollars unlike anything I can imagine
growing up on a red dirt road, but billions of
dollars with very influential people, possibly Russian bankers, and he
ends up dead behind bars, and everybody still says it
was a suicide. That's so far fetch. You see where
(44:51):
I'm going. You can't be unguarded in a CI and
end up dead under these circu cumstances. Having transferred billions
of dollars and dealt with all sorts of powerful, influential
and wealthy people across the world, I mean billions of dollars. Mark,
(45:15):
where did that come from? Do you have any idea?
Speaker 14 (45:19):
Well, the only thing is that business he was in.
What he did, he handled lots of money for very
well chifful billionaires, So chances are he was investing their
money and moving their money to where it needed to go.
Should be. That's the only thing I can think of
what he would be transferring so much money from.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
His personal accounts. So if they're from his personal accounts,
that won't wash. But you know what, I haven't seen
them all, So maybe some of that was his client's money.
That is an innocent explanation. Do I believe it?
Speaker 15 (45:51):
No?
Speaker 1 (45:51):
But could some of it be attributed to his personal accounts?
Maybe Hey, did you ever meet Julane Maxwell.
Speaker 14 (45:58):
Yes, yes, back in the nine is Jeffrey Glenn met
about nineteen ninety one or ninety two. It became close
and back then we alway used to hang out together
a lot. Yes, I knew Hope kind of.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Well back then, what was she like, Mark, Well, she just.
Speaker 14 (46:13):
Seemed you know. I mean, it's hard for me to say.
I don't want to get involved with personal stuff. I'm
interested in the circumstances of my brother's death. I don't
want to get into the cases with my brother or
Glen or anybody else. I really want to focus on
the circumstances I was dead. I can't add much to
what Glenn was like. There was nothing remarkable about it
that I feel the need to comment on.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Okay, I accept that. Why do you believe Mark, the
White House will not release the files.
Speaker 14 (46:42):
Well, I think there's things that they're hiding. That's why.
I mean, their Justice Department is covering everything up. So
I believe potentially maybe the hiding information they don't want
things out. I can't think of any other reason.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
To say I agree with you. Mark. It's it's not
just the homicide, it's the lying it's the hiding, it's
the subterfuge, it's the cover up. We were told over
and over that these files will be released, and now
they're not. Hey, one more thing, Mark, before you leave
us tonight. You were talking about your brother being brought
(47:15):
back to his cell. I believe from the showers he
was allowed to go to the showers to make a
phone call from what we've been told, which is completely
not kosher. But listen to this.
Speaker 15 (47:26):
While correctional officers admitted that Epstein was allowed to make
an unmonitored phone call in the showers before he was
returned to his cell at seven forty pm, co Tova
Noel claims she left Epstein in the showers alone to
use the restroom, and by the time she returned, someone
else had already escorted Epstein back to his cell. However,
(47:48):
it appears that Noel remains in the unit during the
call and does personally walk Epstein back toward the staircase
to cell Block.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
L Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 15 (48:08):
Another female staffer left the unit shortly before Noel gave
the escort and return shortly after Epstein was allegedly safely
returned to his cell.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
So this correctional officer Toevin Noel says, she leaves him
in the showers to use the restroom in what we
now know to make an unmonitored phone call, which is
not prison procedure to make phone calls, to allow an
inmate to make private phone calls from the bathroom. No
that said Tovin Nowell claims she leaves him in the
(48:38):
showers and by the time she comes back someone had
escorted him to his cell But apparently on the video,
it appears she remains in the unit during Epstein's call
and does walk him back to his cell block. So
why lie doesn't It's a small detail, mark, but it's
an important detail.
Speaker 14 (48:59):
Yeah, I've proven well and Michael Thomas, the two gods
that got into trouble, initially refused to talk about any
of this. We're trying to get to them to find
out again the main question of what position Jeffrey was
really in when they found him, and they won't talk. Now,
this is clearly a suicide. Why is such secrecy? Why
is everybody so mum? Why is everybody afraid to speak?
(49:21):
They got they were let off, the charges against them
were dismissed. You know, a person is dead because of
their lack of doing a job properly, and they just
walk free. Whether Jeffrey committed suicide or he was killed,
he was under the protection of the federal government in
a federal prison. You know, these are case that have
been allowed to happen, and because of the behavior of
(49:44):
these two gods, Jeffrey ended up dead and they're walking free.
So the question to ask is what kind of deal
did they make and why aren't they talking? What are
they afraid of?
Speaker 1 (49:53):
Regardless of what I think about Epstein, he's your brother,
your blood. I'm sorry for what you and your family
have been through. Mark. Thank you for being with us.
More to come.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
Comber responds to Gilane Maxwell's ransom letter, agrees to postpone
the deposition, but publicly stated the committee will not, under
any circumstances, considered granting Maxwell congressional immunity pardon for who
for Killaine Maxwell?
Speaker 1 (50:22):
Well, I'm allowed to give her a part. Nobody's approached
me with it, nobody's asked me about it.
Speaker 15 (50:30):
DC insiders are concerned Maxwell's bid for a pardon is
gaining traction after her meetings with Deputy Attorney General Todd
Blanche led to her being moved to a less restrictive
low security prison against BOP rules without a waiver because
she is a convicted sex offender.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
Straight out to veteran trial lawyer joining us Eric Fatus.
He is a founding partner of Foreigner Fattus, elite legal
former felony prosecutor. Look, you don't need to draw five
hundred pounds piano in my head. I get it. She
mates with the Feds to talk about this case, and
(51:07):
suddenly she's moved an honor dorm facility, right.
Speaker 2 (51:11):
I mean, you don't need to be a legal expert
to kind of read the tea leaves on that. Clearly
there is some level of cooperation that's going on, And
there are kind of two schools of thought. One is
that the federal government is truly and purely investigating and
wants to get to the bottom of this, wants to
give the people transparency, wants to pursue accountability for those implicated.
(51:33):
The other school of thought is that this is kind
of a facade, kind of an effort to protect certain
higher up individuals, and so, you know, is there something
more nefarious going on?
Speaker 1 (51:46):
When we see Glene Maxwell being.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
Transferred to this cushy U prison facility that that like
Lynchaucet has Elizabeth Fair and or Elizabeth Holmes the nose
person and you know they're hanging out playing tennis or whatever.
Speaker 7 (51:59):
Raises a few.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
Gilaene Maxwell has just been moved to a minimum security
club FED lock up. Doctor Dwayne Hendricks joining us well
known former associate Award and MDC and more. Doctor Hendrix
describe the Club FED where Gillaene Maxwell is now housed.
Speaker 4 (52:18):
Well, it hous about six hundred and fifty inmates. Less
you know, she came from a facility with security fence
around in Tallahassee which held twelve hundred inmates. Basically, you know,
other than having to stand up account at four o'clock
at nine o'clock every every evening and on the weekends
and holidays at ten am, she's pretty much got freedom,
(52:42):
you know.
Speaker 7 (52:42):
She she's able.
Speaker 4 (52:43):
To walk out of her dorm and catch sunlight and
catch the sunrise and the sunset, go to the gym,
go to religious programming, and all those other things that
other inmates at minimum security facilities can do. She can
also be eligible to work in the community, because that's
what when people say you can go to a camp.
(53:04):
Basically inmates are in the community doing community projects.
Speaker 14 (53:09):
You know.
Speaker 4 (53:09):
One of the things that rolls my eyebrows in this
case is that typically inmates with more than ten years
cannot be housed at a camp. So this will be
the first time that I'm ever hearing of and I
did designations many years ago in the Northern District of California.
Typically inmates, especially those who are convicted of sex trafficking,
(53:31):
would not be at a camp, especially above ten years
remaining on their sentence. So she definitely after the meeting
she had with them, she did get some perks, being
allowed to move from Florida to Texas to Brian.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
Okay, here's what I've learned about her new digs. It's
dormitory style housing. There is no perimeter sense. We're told
she can play tennis, ping, pong, volleyball, yoga, pilates, a
(54:07):
gym equipped with treadmills, ellipticals, stairmasters, and weights. They have
the puppy program where she gets to pet and play
with puppies. A commissary where she can buy all sorts
of high end beauty aids, creams, euthanizers, hair products. Visitors
(54:32):
allowed weekends holidays, so many freedoms, low low security, freedom
to move around the facilities, grounds, outdoors with limited perimeter fencing,
vegan diet. It just goes on and on. Lynn Shaw,
(54:58):
founder Lynn's Warriors. Isn't it true that convicted tom molesters
are not allowed in low security facilities period?
Speaker 4 (55:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (55:09):
Absolutely, We've never heard of anybody convicted sex trafficking being
allowed in a facility like this. I've spoken to a
lot of people to question them to make sure I
know what I'm talking about. They've never heard of this.
But I have to ask you something. Let me flip
it for a minute. Perhaps she might be the next
Jeffrey Epstein. Why is she allowed in a place with
(55:30):
no perimeter? But I'll tell you who doesn't have yoga
and vegan meals and high end beauty products. All of
the victims and survivors of Jeffrey Epstein and Golene Maxwell,
who are living for the rest of their lives with
this trauma that they will never get over. It doesn't
just end when you go through horrific circumstances like sex trafficking, grooming,
(55:52):
all of this abuse, you know what, it lives with
you forever. So while she's having a good time. I
think we should all assume she gave some kind of information.
She's being protected. Something more is going on here. I'm
going to say it again, like a broken record, top down.
Speaker 1 (56:07):
I'm looking at a photo right now of some of
the women in this dorm facility, and they actually have
hand weights. It looks like Mommy's morning out and they're
all in little matching shorts and T shirt gem outfits,
you know, like everybody matches their outfits in the Hamptons. Well,
here they are, and they actually have hand weights, which
(56:29):
is a huge no no because one inmate can haul
off and hit a warden or another inmate with those weights.
They're out in a grassy area like a park, and
they're walking and laughing with their hand weights. Now we
(56:50):
are learning tisaatels that we're getting a new excuse for
moving her to a new jail, saying that any ascertation
she's getting preferential treatment is absurd. Prisoners are routinely moved.
That's bs. What do you know about her new digs?
(57:11):
Taste of tales, her new digs.
Speaker 6 (57:13):
The streets are saying is a reward now for what?
Because they say it's for information? She might have given.
But like you pointed out, there is one point one
billion dollars with over four thousand wire transfers going in
and out of account You can talk to all the
people that own the accounts that are going in and out.
You can talk to the Pope, Mick Jagger, you can
(57:34):
talk to President Clinton, and you can talk to President Trump.
There are a million ways we can get more information.
How we can even go back to that old case,
the fact that now it looks like to me and
everybody else, it is a thinly veiled excuse to give
this woman presidential treatment.
Speaker 1 (57:52):
Everybody's horrified.
Speaker 6 (57:54):
But again, to go back to what Lynn said, just say,
Maxwell might want to be the one that's being horrified.
You get you get moved to a prison that has
barely any security.
Speaker 1 (58:05):
You get moved to an honor.
Speaker 6 (58:06):
Unit where all the good kids that got a gold
star on the report card in federal jail get moved to.
You're now there sitting there like a sitting duck. Again,
why would she move? I would be very worried if
you look at what happened in Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 12 (58:21):
He was supposed to have a mandatory roommate roommate up.
Speaker 6 (58:25):
The day of his death, the roommate was inexplicably moved
out of a sale. He was alone for over eleven hours.
There's supposed to be thirty minute checks. This is in
the highest profile.
Speaker 1 (58:36):
Case in a highly secured prison. We wait as god
willing justice unfolds. Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend.
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