October 23, 2025 • 48 mins
Virginia Giuffre's posthumous memoir, "Nobody’s Girl", details how Jeffrey Epstein regularly boasted he could blackmail powerful men using videos of them abusing young women. The threat always there that he could destroy their careers and livelihood.
The book also describes in excruciating detail how Ghislaine Maxwell recruited her into Epstein’s sex-trafficking ring. She discusses being ‘lent out’ to ‘scores of wealthy, powerful people’ including a foreign dignitary, who made her think she would ‘die a sex slave.’
Joining Nancy Grace today,
- Spencer Kuvin - Chief Legal Officer of GOLDLAW, Represented 9 victims of Epstein
- Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst, Author: "Deal Breaker,” featured in hit show: "Paris in Love" on Peacock, www.drbethanymarshall.com , Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, Twitter: @DrBethanyLive
- Lynn Shaw - Founder and Executive Director of Lynn's Warriors - an organization committed to ending human trafficking and sexual exploitation, Host of Lynn's Warriors on YouTube, website: lynnswarrior.org, X: @lynns_warriors, YouTube: @LynnsWarriors
- Rob Shuter - Host: Naughty But Nice Podcast, Author of upcoming novel “It Started With A Whisper”, robshuter.substack.com, Former publicist of Sean Combs, IG: @naughtygossip
- Barry Levine- Author “The Spider: Inside the Tangled Web of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell,” and Veteran Investigative and Editor in Print and Television.
- Elina Shirazi - Senior Political Reporter, DailyMail.com, website: DailyMail.com, Instagram and TikTok: elinashiazi
- Sydney Sumner- Investigative Reporter, ‘Crime Stories’
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Jeffrey Epstein bragged, I blackmailed powerful men and we can't
come up with a client list.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
I guess that's one way to put it.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
A client list, powerful and wealthy clients that abuse little
girls like Virginia Giffrey. This as we also learn that
between Virginia Geoffrey and Jeffrey Epstein, they have brought.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Down the royal family.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to
thank you for being with us. Thousands and thousands and
thousands of pages of files.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
They couldn't quote a suicide because it looks too much
like a homicide.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
This you say, cover of us. If it's proportions.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
They're trying to make your look like the suicide.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
If he was never making it out alive.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
All of you naysayers, all of you doubters who don't
believe Virginia Giffray's story Israel, guess what word on the street.
Prince Andrew is going to be summoned to the US
to testify, to testify regarding Epstein's so called client list.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Now look at this picture.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
He's said he has never met Virginia Giffrey, that he's
never been in Jelaine Maxwell's home. That was a fake hand.
He's got wrapped around that teen girl. And it goes
on and on and on. In the last days as
we go to air tonight, bombshell out of the Blue.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Wow, what timing?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Virginia Giffray's book drops posthumously. Yes, she committed suicide. There's
Nobody's girl. And coincidentally, the night before ish the book drops,
Andrew gets stripped of all of his titles.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Timing, timing, timing. You know, I've got so much to cover.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
But right there, I've got to go straight out to
p R Guru joining Us, Rob Shooter.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
He is the guru to the celebs and he's from
Great Britain. What about that?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Your Prince Andrew is getting listen. I really don't know
how to say it, but he They're going to try
to summon him to the US.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
You know, Royalty doesn't like to be summoned anywhere.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
All around the timing of this book dropping, Rob Shooter,
host of Naughty but Nice.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
He is the author of a.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Brand new novel. It started with a whisper, and it's
climbing up the charts for a good reason. He's at
robshooter dot substack dot substack dot com. Rob Pandemonium in
Buckingham Palace because of Virgin Jr. Frey who was abused
by Epstein.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
Yeah, yeah, this is a bombshell. This book has literally
blown the roof of a story that we know about
for some time. However, having it in her own words,
there's the book in her own words, it's absolutely shocking.
I've got hold of a book. I've been pouring through
it over the last twenty four hours, and let me
be honest here, there are not many new accusations about
(03:29):
Prince Andrew in the book. However, to have them all
together in one place, told through her voice she's no
longer with us, It's almost like she's talking to us
Nancy from the grave. To have all that together in
one book, it's devastating. He's already lost his titles. He's
still a prince, he's no longer the Duke of York,
and he's no longer his royal heart.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
It excuse me, you know, he's lost all his titles.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
He's living ret free, and the royal lodge of his
others die. May she rist in peace. I want to
hear about any of his suffering. Virginia Jeffrey, you know what,
straight out to Lynn Shaw joining me. She is the
founder and director of Lynn's Warriors, dedicated to ending sex
abuse and exploitation of girls and women. Prince Andrew, he
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should be out making a living like everybody else and
quit living off the royal dime the taxpayers.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
After this, he should actually be in jail. That's where
he should be.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
And he's whining his getting stripped of his titles. Virginia
Jeffrey and others lived a lifetime of torment, of suffering
because of Jeffrey Epstein and his clients.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Finally, Nancy, I have spent a day on Capitol Hill.
We are getting ready for a lot that is going
to drop because it's survivors and victims. Not only have
Jeffrey Epstein, all around our country were waiting for some
sort of closure on all of this accountability. And you
know what, they were fatigue, they were angry. But you
know what, with this book, there's new interest on let's
(05:09):
see those in charge, those of wealth and power. So
we are in Washington. We are demanding transparency. We are
demanding that Prince whatever his title is now Andrew be
brought before everybody to give us a clear picture. We
know Virginia Duffrey was never lying. She was made out
to be crazy, she was made out to be depressed,
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she was made out to be just cast aside. And
you know what, people knew about all of this for years,
for decades. But finally that picture of her with Prince
Andrew with his hand around her, Midri, he Bear, Midric
and Glane in the pictures that came forward during that
need to movement, and it just sparked a movement. But
now what we're waiting for. We're waiting for names. And
(05:51):
I'll tell you why we're waiting for names, because there
are a lot behind the scenes. There is a list.
We know the list. We've seen the list. We can't
prove it, but we want those names brought forward in
front of Congress and demand accountability for all survivors and victims. Again,
not only have Jeffrey Epstein and Gallinne Maxwell, all the
other complicit people involved. This is a good.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Day, you know what.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Speaking of all the other complicit people involved, joining us
is Barry Levine. He is the author of The Spider
Inside the Tangled Web of Jeffrey Epstein and Julane Maxwell.
He's a veteran investigative reporter and editor in print and TV.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Barry, you know what, that.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Picture completely schees me out. And I think Juri would
feel the same way, because can I see the picture
of Andrew with his hand wrapped around eighteen girl Virginia
a danity and girl Virginia Jeffrey?
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Because what is so off putting?
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Look how everybody's smiling like it's all okay.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Look at Julie Maxwell smiling. It's raw. It's as if
it's okay, it's accepted. It's not.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
And why is it it takes a book like this
and the victims marching on Washington.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
To get the client list. I don't get it, Levine.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
Listen, Nancy, the book was so difficult to go through
because even though I had gone through thousands of pages
of deposition documents or papers and other confidential information about
Virginia's story, hearing her in her own words was so revolting.
(07:40):
As a father, It just absolutely disgusted me. And what
disgusted me even more, Nancy, was her disclosure in the
book that the FBI sat down with her in twenty
eleven and they showed her photos of all the men
that she had referenced. I had count eleven men that
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she referenced in her book. What happened after that FBI
interview in Sydney, Australia. What actions were taken by the
FBI to coroborate her stories and to interview these men.
We don't know that that information, that confidential information is
likely sitting in the FBI files that the government is
(08:25):
still refusing to release after saying that there was no blackmail,
that there was no clientless.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
It is ludicrous.
Speaker 6 (08:34):
We need to find out what action was taken by
the FBI to coroborate her stories. I named the men
in my book. I went through each of them. Many
of them I named under legal threat legal letters that
I received in my publisher receiver. But the fact of
the matter is these men, three of them are dead.
(08:55):
But the remaining men need to be subpoenaed by the
government by the Oversight Committee. They need to be brought
forward and answer questions as to what their relationship with what.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
It's so disturbing and I'm going to throw this to
Elena Sharrazzi, joining US senior political reporter with Dailymail dot Com,
who has been on this from the very beginning. Elena Sharozzi,
thank you for being with us. You know, I was
just hearing Barry Levine talking about getting these legal threat
letters from the people he named in the book lawsuit
fat chance not happening? Why because Levine could go to
(09:28):
court and call them. Unlike in a criminal case, when
you cannot call a criminal defendant, you can call the target.
In a civil case, Levin could walk into court if
they sued him, and the first thing.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
He would could could do is call the alleged.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Person on the client list and put them on the
stand and cross examine them as a hostile witness. You
think they're going to sign up for that. That's not happening,
Elena Shirazzi. What's happening? Has Virginia phrase book? Nobody's girl
moved the dial at all?
Speaker 1 (10:04):
What do I have to do stick at Dynamite.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Under Bondi's rear end to get this client list? Because
there is a client list?
Speaker 7 (10:15):
Yeah, I mean in Amy Wallace said the Ghost Rita,
she calls it a catalog of horrors, And I mean
as for the people involved, she did mention right in
the book a former prime minister, and if you look
at the document dumps. It actually does mention former Israeli
a prime minister, hud Barock, and well, Emmy Wallace says
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she can't exactly rebuild the names for several reasons, right
because Virginia she wanted to protect, you know, just her sanity,
her children. There's a lot of reasons as to why,
you know, when people say, well, why don't you just
release all of the names, she just wanted to be
okay for a minute, she was obviously struggling. She committed
suicide before this book came out, so she was just
(10:57):
looking for a little bit of that sanity. But as
you just with the pieces together, you can see some
of these names start to come to fruition. And a congress, right,
I mean Prince Andrew, so much information has come out
about him. Representative Stephen Lanche told the BBC that the
House Oversight Committee is going to be questioning him. They're
(11:19):
interested in hearing from him. So we certainly see a
lot of this start to unravel, and I think that
it's only a.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Matter of time before all of this comes out. President
Trump said he campaigned on this.
Speaker 7 (11:31):
He said that he would release the Epstein files, he
would release the list so people are still waiting for
that to happen, and Maxwell is still sitting pretty in
this nice prison hoping for a pardon from the president.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
You know what, I want to follow up on what
you're saying.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
For some reason, the client list, the files have not
been made public, and I was hoping, against hope that
the publication of Jeffrey's book would.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Move the need on that happening.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
To Spencer Couvin joining as chief legal officer Gold Law,
who has represented at least nine Epstein victims. Your clients
know the names or the names of some of the
people that abuse them, nine now adult women.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
And as I've told many mini juries.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Look at all these people testifying against him. You think
they all got together, separated in time and space, and
made up an.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Incredibly similar story.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
The same thing happened every time they get called to
the mansion, They get told they're going to give them
massage to Jeffrey Epstein, They meet with Gilain Maxwell, Maxwell
goes in the room with them. Maxwell's strips Epstein's naked,
same story, over and over.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
You know what, if that was my.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Child, I swear I would burn down the courthouse because
nothing is being done.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
What about your clients, nine of them.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Last count that know the names of their predators. Why
have they not been released? Why aren't you releasing them?
Speaker 8 (13:13):
Well, that's a very good question, but the more important
question is why hasn't the government released them? My clients, Now,
this dates back to two thousand and seven when I
first started representing these young girls. We're going on almost
twenty years where this investigation began, and back then my
clients interviewed with the FBI and gave them all of
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the information.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Now, you've got to understand, these young girls fifteen sixteen
years old at the time, were surveiled and harassed ruthlessly
by the Epstein team. Epstein hired private investigators to follow
them around in vans and trucks, take pictures of them,
interview their family members, interview their boyfriends about sexual positions
(14:00):
that they had done in their life. These girls are petrified,
even though Epstein is dead. They are so afraid because
the system has let them down time and time and
time again over these almost twenty years. So as a result,
they're relying on the federal government to do their job.
(14:21):
And more importantly, as I've always said, the information is
contained not just in the list but more importantly, in
the videotapes that the government has seized at all three
mansions at.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Episode can Cavean.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
I'm going to circle back because you didn't answer, You
sidestepped it. Why is it that you and your clients
do not release the list of your clients' predators.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Just just give me an answer. What is it?
Speaker 8 (14:50):
They're scared, they're petrified for their lives if they release
any enditions.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Hold on, there's another way to get this list, man,
there's another way to get list. I don't expect the
list to be lying there in gold leaf.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
You have to read the files.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
You and I have come through enough boxes of documents. Boy,
when I was a fed I lived coming through boxes
and documents. And from those documents you get names. It
could be on an email, it could be on a
phone log. It could be on a flight log. It
could be communications back and forth. It could be an
appointment book where you get names. That's the client list.
(15:31):
The names are there. There's no way the names are
not there. Your client's no names. The women that are
marching on Washington no names. But yet nothing is happening.
You know what's very interesting? Back to Barry Levine, hold
on Dr Bethany. I'm coming Barry Levine right now. There
is an Arizona congress person. She won in September. But
(16:00):
they are refusing. Washington is refusing the Speaker.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Of the House.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
You don't like what I'm saying, Speaker, come and get me.
The Speaker of the House refuses to swear her in.
Why because she is going to vote for the files
to be released. She hasn't been sworn in. It's almost November.
She was elected duly elected in September. And I don't
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care what she is if she's a Republican, a Democrat,
a Greeney don't care. They are keeping her out from
being sworn in because she is going to cast that
vote for the Epstein files to be produced.
Speaker 6 (16:41):
It's absolutely correct, Nancy. They're trying to sweep this under
the rug, but it just won't go away. And in fact,
we know that Representative Thomas Massey, who's a Republican who's
been pushing to get these files released, he said that
he knows the names of nineteen men. Okay, so Virginia.
(17:02):
Virginia cited eleven men in her book. He knows the
names of eight additional men. We now have a list
at least he do, of nineteen men. Why isn't the
FBI all over this? Why isn't BONDI directing the FBI?
(17:22):
Cash could tell to go through those nineteen names, for
God's sakes, bring We know three of them are dead,
and maybe some of the eight that he referenced could
be dead also. But the fact is those that remain
alive need to be brought in. They need to be questioned,
and they need to have the heat turned up on
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them as to what their relationship was with Virginia, with
Jeffrey Epstein, with Maxwell.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
You know what, I'd also like to find out.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
I'd like to find out not only the names of
these predators that aren't rolling in money, power, prestige, that
have been living their lives like nothing happened, Doctor Bethony Marshall.
They're that arrogant, They're that convinced they'll get away with it,
and so far they have and I'd like to know.
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And I guess it's going to take a Watergate type proceeding.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
To find out what's been.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Said in Washington that has stymied this investigation.
Speaker 9 (18:25):
You know, Nancy, this whole group psychology is like the
family where a little girl's being molested. Mommy looks the
other way because she wants to hang onto the love
of daddy. In this case, mommy being the government, daddy
being all these rich, powerful men, the little girl being
Virginia Jeffries.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
You know what's so sad.
Speaker 9 (18:42):
What I read in this book is that she was
molested by her own dad when she worked at Mira Lago.
She was so excited to have this new job. Gilan
Maxwell Waltz is in looking All Fancy promises her to
learn massage. In that very same day she's listed, Do
you don't, Nancy. She was so brutalized on the Lolita
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Express that she feared for her life. This is not
just sexual abuse like giving oral sex or being penetrated
or fondled. This is older, rich, powerful men and women
brutalizing her. I think we really need to cast a
spotlight on that. This is sadism, This is cruelty, This
is beating her up.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
We keep staying back in her sex tracks with Bethany.
It was tolerated, it was condoned, it was encouraged. And
can't you imagine Jeffrey and so many other girls like her,
teen girls as young as twelve at Lolita Island with Epstein.
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You couldn't get off the island. You can only get
there by a fairy With all of these old guys,
can you imagine if they're smiling for the camera that
it's all okay?
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Imagine the environment right there in that compound.
Speaker 9 (20:01):
You know, Nancy, the word sex trafficking and sex abuse
has almost lost its meaning. We've used it so many times,
so let's use another word. Gang rape, gang brutality, torture,
mob violence. These are also very salient words. You know
that that picture where Prince Andrew has his hand around
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her waist. Do you know that Gillan Maxwell told Jeffries
that morning, this is going to be a great day.
This is according to the book. Get up, this is
going to be a great day. You're going to meet
a prince. She was so excited because she bought into
the fairy tale. So she brought her little point and
shoot camera and she said to Gillan Maxwell, will you
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take a picture of us? Poor little thing. She thought
she was meeting a prince who would treat her like
a princess. And Gilan Maxwell then plays a game that
she did with all the perpetrators. Can you guess how
old for Jenna Jeffries is according to the book and Drew.
Prince Andrew replies seventeen. I know because I have girls
who are just a little bit younger. So all of
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this they didn't know how old the girls were. They
did because Gilan Maxwell loved the game of guessing the
girls ages before they were raped, tortured, and penetrated.
Speaker 10 (21:17):
Virginia writes she was instructed to have sex with Prince
Andrew on three separate occasions. Maxwell told her their first
meeting would be just like Cinderella, though.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Virginia says Andrew behaved.
Speaker 10 (21:29):
Like it was his birthright to have sex with her,
though they only spent about thirty minutes together behind closed doors.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Virginia repeats the claim Andrew visited.
Speaker 10 (21:38):
Her in New York just a month later, and also
describes a third orgy on Epstein's Island with the Prince
and other young girls.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Release the files.
Speaker 8 (21:53):
Teens of thousands of documents related to f saying are
refusing to release.
Speaker 9 (21:59):
No, we've got the administration telling us look the other way.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
We got orange blops.
Speaker 9 (22:03):
We got a guy who looks like you know, he
supposedly killed himself with orange paper towels.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Please.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
In the last days, Virginia Giffrey's book Nobody's Girl has
been released. Will it make a difference? We earlier heard
it guest describing her suicide. But you know what too,
Elina Scherazzi, joining a senior reporter with dailymail dot Com.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
There are estimates.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
I mean, I think I've counted six people that committed
suicide connected to Epstein, including Epstein, Giffrey, Epstein's supplier out
of France.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Jean Luke Brunelle.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
He committed suicide much like Epstein, behind bars several of
the child trafficking victims, and doctor Bethany and Lynn Shaw
can explain why victims adult victims of child sex abuse
go on to commit suicide.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
But it's quite the coincidence.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Don't you think that so many people just before they
are to testify, commit suicide. I feel like I'm in
Russia and someone's going to get thrown out the window
or poisoned just before their testimony. You just heard Spencer Couvin,
who is a high profile lawyer, chief legal officer Gold Law,
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who represents going on twelve of the child victims of Epstein.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Saying they're afraid they should be.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Afraid the victims are dropping like flies, Elena.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
I mean you always say timing, timing, timing, right, Nancy, I.
Speaker 7 (23:41):
Always hear you see that, and you have to think
about that. The timing of these suicides certainly is something
to be examined for these young girls who have just
been through so much for so many key figures involved
were obviously keeping an eye as well on Gillne Maxwell
to see what happens to her in that Texas prison
which has a ton a ton of security, but also
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the timing of other things like Prince Andrew and when
he decided he would relinquish his title the Duke of York.
He still is a prince, but people are pushing for
that further.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Just one moment, the way you said that, I don't
like it.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
I don't like anything you just said. And I'll tell
you why.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Isn't it true, Rob Shooter, that Andrew is still insisting
that people say your Highness and that he holds onto
some type of title.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Absolutely behind the scenes. I know a lot of people
in the Palace who work at the Royal Lodge. They're
saying that behind the scenes, he's still is still Prince Andrew.
His staff at the house, his euthy room mansion, that
he's not paying any rent for it.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
I have a staff, Andrew has a staff. He doesn't
get his brush, his teeth and wipe.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Is why does he have a staff? Why are they?
You know what, if the Brents want to pay for it,
you know that's on them. So Elena Shirazzi, I don't
know that he volunteerily relinquished his title. I think he
got called in, summoned into a meeting with Charles and
William and he got a spanky spanky and they swipped
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him off his titles.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
That's what I think.
Speaker 7 (25:20):
They want nothing to do with it. It's such a
big distraction from the Buckingham Palace and certainly the first
time we put a gagging order on Virginia, he claimed
that he was thinking about the Queen. I mean, the
entire royal family wants to separate themselves as far away
from this as possible. And Prince William, we know as
well from our reporting, he wants to separate himself from
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his uncle. There's been so many events just this past
week with the royal family where they even did put
out a statement saying, you know, we want to focus
on what we're doing. We don't want to focus on
things surrounding that. And obviously they meant this, so this is.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
A bad look. This is a horrible look. Elena.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Remember just recently there was a big royal funeral, not
within the British royal family, but another royal family, and
everyone attended and it was this special moment and then
all of a sudden here comes to Andrew lurking In
trying to have a conversation on camera with William who
looked a him and went, oh, it is like a
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dark cloud over them and they represent like it or not, they.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Represent great Britain.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
He should not be walking free popping up at royal events.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
It's a huge distraction. The situation has festered.
Speaker 11 (26:43):
They thought that by.
Speaker 7 (26:44):
Having him put out a statement in his own way,
our reporting shows saying that he would voluntarily relinquish his
title of Duke of York, which, as we talked about Nancy,
was certainly not the case.
Speaker 9 (26:55):
It was a sort of pr outreach.
Speaker 7 (26:57):
On that end, but him trying to come out with
the statements in that way, they think it's going to
just go away. No, it actually put even more attention
on the Royal family. So no matter what were you
try and.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Interesting the way you said that, Elena, the more is try,
the more they try to sweep it under the rug,
it festers.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
It boils up.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
And that's the same thing that's happening here with these
Epstein files. And it's not just Democrats trying to bring
down the White House, is Democrats and Republicans because.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
They know that this is wrong. I mean, you know,
uh shooter, it'll be.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
A cold day in HTUBL that Andrew volunteerily says, here
have all my titles and all the pop and all
the circumstances that did not happen.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
Didn't happen, And even a statement actually says that. In
the statement he uses the word we. We have decided
that I will step away from these titles, not I.
So there's more than him in here. My sources are
telling me this is William. Williamy is disgusted what happened
at the Duchess of Kent's funeral that you reference. Nancy
is disgusted at having Andrew around. And this is the
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problem they have. The Royal family is a family business.
They want him out of the business, but he's still
a blood member of the family. So they've tried to
walk this difficult path of letting him come to family events, funerals, Christmas.
Now they decided no more after that display at the Duchess.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
I've got bigger problems than whether Andrew celebrates Christmas at Sandringham.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Okay, I don't care.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
What I want is this client list, and I want
the predators put behind barge. Jeffrey lived her whole life
destroyed by what had happened to her, just like.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
All the other little girls now women. I just want
nobody likes to let their mind go there.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
But you have to imagine, Levine, isn't it true? Girls
as young as.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Twelve years old.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
We're being brought to Lolita Island, which is under US jurisdiction.
They're in the US Virgin Islands, brought They're flown in
from the stands, from Turkey, from France. Little girls, some
as young as twelve, they are flown there. They are
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taken off the plane, they're put on a ferry. They're
taken over to the island and they are sex abused.
What does sex abuse mean? They are raped, They have
sex with Epstein and his clients. And if we sit
back and let this happen. Jeffrey is dead. Everybody keeps
saying suicide. I'm not sold on that, or Epstein committing suicide.
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That said, who's going to fight now? Who is going
to stand up to Bondye and others that refused to
seek justice. There has to be evidence, Leveine, the fairy workers,
the pilots, the people that prostess their travel for Pete's sake,
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There is a trail about what. And you know what,
there's more evidence. There's got to be a hospital record
of this. Listen, Levine, if you can stomach it.
Speaker 10 (30:21):
Nobody's girl touches on a harrowing medical emergency at age seventeen,
when Virginia woke up in a pool of blood with
stabbing abdominal pain. She was heavily sedated when Epstein took
her to the hospital, and afterwards he told her she miscarried,
but Virginia later learned she likely suffered a ruptured ectopic pregnancy.
The memoir also claims Epstein and Maxwell broached the idea
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of Virginia acting as a surrogate for them, aligning with
newly released emails between the couple discussing fertility testing.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
What did I just hear, wait a minute, that she
was even Virginia Giffrey was even considered carrying as a
surrogate the baby of Epstein and Max. Will talk about
Rosemary's baby. Oh you remember Rosemary's baby with me and Fara.
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Remember that Levine and me and Farrah had the Devil's baby,
the Devil's baby. They were considering using Virginia Giffray, this
little teen girl, to carry their baby as a surrogate.
If that baby did not come out with horns and
a tail, you know, strike me down, Lightning. But there
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has to be evidence of that topic pregnancy, save where
Virginia Giffrey went to the hospital to bolster her testament.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Of course, she can never testify now she's dead.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
I'm sure they're all happy about that, because that's one
last witness they've got to deal with.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Levigne.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
Listen, Nancy. There were cover ups not only in the US,
but in the virgin Islands where his island was in England.
I mean, I know from researching my book. Epstein had
doctors and nurses on his island to deal with the
issues of these girls that were raised as young as
eleven and twelve years old. John Luke Brunell brought over
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blew Over at least a thousand girls to Epstein under
the guise of they're going to be models, We're going
to make them models. And he brought them from all
these different countries, and they were abused. One girl even
tried to she was so frightened, a young girl, she
tried to think about swimming off the island the shark
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confested waters off the island, only to have Jeffrey Epstein's
security detail bring her back and shamee her up in
her bedroom. This is a cover up of massive worship.
The Attorney General in the Virgin Islands, the former Attorney
General Denise George, after Epstein's death, once an investigation, she
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was sickened by what she found from information, as you said,
from the people who worked at the airport, Girls as
young as eleven and twelve were getting off planes. What
the what Epstein would do? Would he would have them
dress up in college university sweatsher in an attempt to
make them look older as if they were in college,
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but in fact these were children up.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
Planes.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
You know what, You just gave me chills all over
because that's kind of detail I look for when I
am trying to assess a witness's credibility again, to wear
out a phrase, it would be a cold day in
HGDVI L that I would put a witness on the
stand that I did not believe. But what you just
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said that it was Epstein's idea to dress the little
girl some eleven twelve is when I heard you said
eleven in college sweatshirts and T shirts to make people
think that they were college aged.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
I he just make up a fact like that. I
believe that.
Speaker 6 (34:13):
Yeah, this is information that the Attorney General turned up
in her investigation. And you know she said that the
state Epstein's estate, which he finally got to force a
compensation fund for the victims, that it was a criminal
conspiracy in terms of what went on over there. You
have to remember that after he received that slap on
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the wrist conviction down in Florida in two thousand and eight,
he wanted to conduct his sex trafficking away from the
eyes of police in Florida and New York, and he
primarily moved his operation to the Virgin Islands, where he
had all these international fixers put these young girls on planes.
It is a cover up of massive proportion, and nobody
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wants to investigate this except for a very few in
the government like Thomas Massey and Senator Roy Wyden, who
is going down a financial trail to try to determine
who Epstein paid from one billion dollars worth of wire
transfers that he turned up. So, you know, this is
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something that still needs investigation, and we need to find
these men who are overseas. We need to find the
men who put these young girls on plane.
Speaker 10 (35:30):
Virginia Geffrey's posthumous memoir Nobody's Girl, describes an excruciating detail
how Gallane Maxwell recruited her into Jeffrey Epstein's sex trafficking ring.
Virginia speaks to the reader, urging them to continue despite
the frequently stomach churning content. Virginia explains the content of
this book is crucial. It is imperative that the truth
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is understood and that the issues surrounding this topic are addressed,
both for the sake of justice and awareness.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Theyved it. There's thousands of thousands of ages.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
We've been told over and over and over that what's
in those files is shocking.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
We're going to get rid of the deep state. We're
going to show you all of the files? Why not
release them? Lies? Lies? Lies?
Speaker 2 (36:13):
What are they hiding?
Speaker 1 (36:18):
What are they hiding?
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Why not release the files? How many people have to
die by suicide before anyone pays attention to what happened
to these young girls? How are these clients still shrouded
in mystery, the editia of reliability and respectability?
Speaker 1 (36:42):
How are they going about their lives like nothing happened?
Speaker 2 (36:46):
I was speaking to Barry Levine, author of The Spider
inside the Tangled Web of Jeffrey Epstein, and Delaine Maxwell
about hardproof like a hospital visit with Jeffray's topic pregnancy,
But what about this?
Speaker 10 (37:00):
One email includes a two thousand items spreadsheet detailing gifts
Epstein financed for powerful associates.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
And his victims.
Speaker 10 (37:09):
Some of the gifts include a fifty thousand dollars Steinway piano,
a sixty thousand dollars diamond necklace and earring set for Maxwell,
a seventy one thousand dollars Lexus for Epstein's lawyer's wife,
and a thirty five thousand dollars watch for one of
Clinton's apes. Maxwell also documents gift cards to lingerie shops, flowers, chocolates,
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laptops and education and red payments made to victims.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Sidney Summer joining me Crime Stories investigative reporter looks like
the victims, the little girls. We're a lot cheaper to
buy off lingerie. Who needs another pair of underwear, flower chocolate,
a laptop, pay the rent. When a presidential aid got
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a thirty five thousand dollar watch, someone else got a
Steinway piano, a seventy one thousand dollars Lexus, that's just
a tip of the iceberg. Sydney Sumner who was paid off,
got bribes, got so called gifts that were enabling child
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sex trafficking.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Sydney.
Speaker 11 (38:31):
Yes, that spreadsheet is just a staggering document to go through.
The records are just it's horrible looking at how easily
these young girls were paid off or appeased in some
way to continue performing what they performed for Jeffrey Epstein.
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Their rent payments, payments for SAP classes, a laptop, and
there's other things, off road vehicles to the tune of
almost one hundred thousand dollars for a minor. These gifts,
we don't know how many of them were accepted. And
Clinton aide who was identified in those emails, denies that
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he ever received that thirty five thousand dollars. Watch, but
it is just staggering how far Jeffrey epstein reach extended,
and Gallaine Maxwell facilitated and bought most of these gifts herself.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
The two of them, the devil and his hitch person,
literally make me sick.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Listen to this that we've discovered about emails between the
two of them.
Speaker 10 (39:36):
Ghlaine Maxwell insists she was not close with Epstein after
two thousand and three, but nearly six hundred and fifty
emails between the financier and socialite begged to differ. They
discuss his initial sexual abuse case gifts to both powerful
contacts and the miners they abused, plans to discredit women
raising allegations against Epstein and.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Shared fertility procedures.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
I mean, right there in emails, gifts were being given
to the so called clients aka.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Dirty old men, and they're victims.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Why were these expensive gifts A fifty thousand dollars Steinway,
a seventy one thousand dollars Lexus and more and more
being given to the clients that the little girl then
little girl victims actually name? How can the US attorney
turn the other way.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
It's such a sham.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
I'm very curious the way that is being portrayed to us,
as if there are no files, there's nothing to see
while a monarchy is under siege. I'm talking about Fergie.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Listen.
Speaker 10 (40:56):
Prince Andrews' ex wife, Sarah Ferguson is exposed and leaked
emails showing that while the Duchess of York publicly apologized
for her Epstein association, she privately apologized to him weeks later,
calling him a supreme friend.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
In a twenty eleven interview, Fergie.
Speaker 10 (41:13):
Says it was a gigantic error in judgment to accept
money from Epstein as she abhors pedophilia, but weeks later,
in a private email to Epstein, she humbly apologizes. Insiders
say Epstein threatened a lawsuit and Fergie sent her email
to appease him. Leaked email showing a fifteen year history
of money and friendship with Epstein is costing Sarah Ferguson
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as at least seven major organizations cut ties with the Duchess.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Rob Shecheter joining as host of Naughty but NIC's podcast
and author of a new hit book.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
It started with.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
A whisper shooter. I loved Fergie from.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
The get go. She and Diana my total favorites.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
But now we know Fergie's gotten hundreds of thousands of
dollars from Epstein. He's been bailing her out of financial
woes for years, and she's still living the Champagne caviar lifestyle.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
Now, wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
I don't know if they say this in the UK,
but here we say it when you don't know a horse.
Look at her track record. We know Fergie the Duchess
of York. Sarah Ferguson was caught on video in a
sting where she was accepting tens of thousands of dollars
to introduce somebody to Andrew.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
So we know she will use her position and get
money for it.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
So I don't know what she was doing with all
of Epstein's money, but she gave this public apology. Oh,
I had no idea he was a pedophile and secretly
riding him. I'm so sorry I said that you're my
supreme friend.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
What a load of bs.
Speaker 5 (42:56):
Yeah, it's grotesque, Nancise, absolutely grotesque, And it's another example
of rich and powerful people saying one thing publicly and
another behind the scene. I think, like you, I really
liked Fergie. I've met her several times, and now we've
realized the person that we thought she is she simply isn't.
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And it's just another example of these awful people tricking us,
not just said victims, but all of us. This has
been a mass cover up and one that has been
really successful until now, and now, thankfully finally nice having
to change.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
You know, we've got the Tian commandments, right, but there's
also the seven Deadly sins, and one of them is gluttony. Gluttony,
all the champagne, all the caveat, all the chauffeur limos
waiting outside for eighteen twenty hours until she decides she's
not going to go. The mansions, the gifts, the stationary,
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the clothes, what was She's spending millions of dollars on herself?
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Nancy herself.
Speaker 5 (44:08):
She made no money as a royal. She's living rent
free in her ex husband's house. She doesn't even have
her own apartment. She's staying with her ex husband. The
mistake we make when we think we know royalty is
we think they're really, really wealthy, and a lot of
them are, but many of them are not Nancy. They
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live this fabulous life, but if you check in the
bank accounts, it's not a lot of money. And so
Sarah here was using people like Jeffrey Epstein to get cashed,
and in exchange, he was getting access to power and
access to cover ups.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
She and Andrew were perfect for each other, feel so
bad for their daughters, Beatrice and Eugenie. Doctor Bethony Marshall,
her Spencer Coon and say his clients are afraid. I
guess so, because you've got Prince Andrew and the Duchess
of your cozying.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
Up with Epstein.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Who's going to believe them over the British royal family
for Pete's sake, and presidents and wealthy individuals, CEOs of companies,
and these little girls were saying, hey, raped me.
Speaker 9 (45:15):
Yes, these girls feel so disadvantaged.
Speaker 5 (45:18):
You know.
Speaker 9 (45:18):
One of the things I read in the Book of Virginda,
Jeffrey's book is that she would travel around the United
States with her ghostwriter trying to find people who would
corroborate the fact that she had been on the island
because she was so desperate to have some acknowledgment and
some justice. And then we see this vast cover up
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that you're talking about this vast machine against which she.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
Had no power.
Speaker 9 (45:45):
She had no chance, Nancy, And that's what makes me
so sad about this. You know, a detail that I
think is quite interesting because you were talking about evidence,
is that in her book she writes that she was
called to give a massage to a very wealthy, powerful
man whose wife was pregnant. It was at a hotel,
fancy hotel. She gives the wife a normal massage, the
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wife goes to bed, she starts to give the husband
a massage, and then she realizes it's an abusive massage.
So she was sex trafficked. Once again. There that's yet
another story that you cannot make up. Who was that wife,
what did she know? Why is that person not coming forward?
Is she covering up from her husband? People are covering
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up for so many reasons. And all those gifts Jeffrey
Fstein gave. It's not only to pay people off, but
once they accept the gift, then they're complicit.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
And we saw this with p. Ditty.
Speaker 9 (46:43):
He would do things to make people complicit in his
crimes so that then they would not turn him in,
like taping them having sex with minors or whatever, and
then he would have that tape as evidence. So the
gifts are a way to get people into the full,
to get gifts back from them and to buy their silence.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
A case is being built.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
There are people that are fighting for these victims. If
you know or you think you know anything about this
case Epstein, Maxwell, the clients, or the client list, please
dial to zero two two two five three four six five.
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Repeat to zero two two two five, three four six five.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
Yes it's a Washington, DC number, but don't.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Be afraid to zero two two two five three four
six five. We wait and pray as justice unfolds. And
now we remember an American Hero Officer, Lauren Craven le
Masa p D just twenty five, killed in the line
of duty, leaving behind as you can imagine, grieving parents
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Karen and David American Hero Officer Lauren Craven Nancy Gray
signing off goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Jeffrey Epstein bragged, I blackmailed powerful men and we can't
come up with a client list.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
I guess that's one way to put it.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
A client list, powerful and wealthy clients that abuse little
girls like Virginia Giffrey. This as we also learn that
between Virginia Geoffrey and Jeffrey Epstein, they have brought.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Down the royal family.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to
thank you for being with us. Thousands and thousands and
thousands of pages of files.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
They couldn't quote a suicide because it looks too much
like a homicide.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
This you say, cover of us. If it's proportions.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
They're trying to make your look like the suicide.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
If he was never making it out alive.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
All of you naysayers, all of you doubters who don't
believe Virginia Giffray's story Israel, guess what word on the street.
Prince Andrew is going to be summoned to the US
to testify, to testify regarding Epstein's so called client list.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Now look at this picture.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
He's said he has never met Virginia Giffrey, that he's
never been in Jelaine Maxwell's home. That was a fake hand.
He's got wrapped around that teen girl. And it goes
on and on and on. In the last days as
we go to air tonight, bombshell out of the Blue.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Wow, what timing?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Virginia Giffray's book drops posthumously. Yes, she committed suicide. There's
Nobody's girl. And coincidentally, the night before ish the book drops,
Andrew gets stripped of all of his titles.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Timing, timing, timing. You know, I've got so much to cover.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
But right there, I've got to go straight out to
p R Guru joining Us, Rob Shooter.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
He is the guru to the celebs and he's from
Great Britain. What about that?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Your Prince Andrew is getting listen. I really don't know
how to say it, but he They're going to try
to summon him to the US.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
You know, Royalty doesn't like to be summoned anywhere.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
All around the timing of this book dropping, Rob Shooter,
host of Naughty but Nice.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
He is the author of a.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Brand new novel. It started with a whisper, and it's
climbing up the charts for a good reason. He's at
robshooter dot substack dot substack dot com. Rob Pandemonium in
Buckingham Palace because of Virgin Jr. Frey who was abused
by Epstein.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
Yeah, yeah, this is a bombshell. This book has literally
blown the roof of a story that we know about
for some time. However, having it in her own words,
there's the book in her own words, it's absolutely shocking.
I've got hold of a book. I've been pouring through
it over the last twenty four hours, and let me
be honest here, there are not many new accusations about
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Prince Andrew in the book. However, to have them all
together in one place, told through her voice she's no
longer with us, It's almost like she's talking to us
Nancy from the grave. To have all that together in
one book, it's devastating. He's already lost his titles. He's
still a prince, he's no longer the Duke of York,
and he's no longer his royal heart.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
It excuse me, you know, he's lost all his titles.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
He's living ret free, and the royal lodge of his
others die. May she rist in peace. I want to
hear about any of his suffering. Virginia Jeffrey, you know what,
straight out to Lynn Shaw joining me. She is the
founder and director of Lynn's Warriors, dedicated to ending sex
abuse and exploitation of girls and women. Prince Andrew, he
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should be out making a living like everybody else and
quit living off the royal dime the taxpayers.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
After this, he should actually be in jail. That's where
he should be.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
And he's whining his getting stripped of his titles. Virginia
Jeffrey and others lived a lifetime of torment, of suffering
because of Jeffrey Epstein and his clients.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Finally, Nancy, I have spent a day on Capitol Hill.
We are getting ready for a lot that is going
to drop because it's survivors and victims. Not only have
Jeffrey Epstein, all around our country were waiting for some
sort of closure on all of this accountability. And you
know what, they were fatigue, they were angry. But you
know what, with this book, there's new interest on let's
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see those in charge, those of wealth and power. So
we are in Washington. We are demanding transparency. We are
demanding that Prince whatever his title is now Andrew be
brought before everybody to give us a clear picture. We
know Virginia Duffrey was never lying. She was made out
to be crazy, she was made out to be depressed,
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she was made out to be just cast aside. And
you know what, people knew about all of this for years,
for decades. But finally that picture of her with Prince
Andrew with his hand around her, Midri, he Bear, Midric
and Glane in the pictures that came forward during that
need to movement, and it just sparked a movement. But
now what we're waiting for. We're waiting for names. And
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I'll tell you why we're waiting for names, because there
are a lot behind the scenes. There is a list.
We know the list. We've seen the list. We can't
prove it, but we want those names brought forward in
front of Congress and demand accountability for all survivors and victims. Again,
not only have Jeffrey Epstein and Gallinne Maxwell, all the
other complicit people involved. This is a good.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Day, you know what.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Speaking of all the other complicit people involved, joining us
is Barry Levine. He is the author of The Spider
Inside the Tangled Web of Jeffrey Epstein and Julane Maxwell.
He's a veteran investigative reporter and editor in print and TV.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Barry, you know what, that.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Picture completely schees me out. And I think Juri would
feel the same way, because can I see the picture
of Andrew with his hand wrapped around eighteen girl Virginia
a danity and girl Virginia Jeffrey?
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Because what is so off putting?
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Look how everybody's smiling like it's all okay.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Look at Julie Maxwell smiling. It's raw. It's as if
it's okay, it's accepted. It's not.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
And why is it it takes a book like this
and the victims marching on Washington.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
To get the client list. I don't get it, Levine.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
Listen, Nancy, the book was so difficult to go through
because even though I had gone through thousands of pages
of deposition documents or papers and other confidential information about
Virginia's story, hearing her in her own words was so revolting.
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As a father, It just absolutely disgusted me. And what
disgusted me even more, Nancy, was her disclosure in the
book that the FBI sat down with her in twenty
eleven and they showed her photos of all the men
that she had referenced. I had count eleven men that
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she referenced in her book. What happened after that FBI
interview in Sydney, Australia. What actions were taken by the
FBI to coroborate her stories and to interview these men.
We don't know that that information, that confidential information is
likely sitting in the FBI files that the government is
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still refusing to release after saying that there was no blackmail,
that there was no clientless.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
It is ludicrous.
Speaker 6 (08:34):
We need to find out what action was taken by
the FBI to coroborate her stories. I named the men
in my book. I went through each of them. Many
of them I named under legal threat legal letters that
I received in my publisher receiver. But the fact of
the matter is these men, three of them are dead.
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But the remaining men need to be subpoenaed by the
government by the Oversight Committee. They need to be brought
forward and answer questions as to what their relationship with what.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
It's so disturbing and I'm going to throw this to
Elena Sharrazzi, joining US senior political reporter with Dailymail dot Com,
who has been on this from the very beginning. Elena Sharozzi,
thank you for being with us. You know, I was
just hearing Barry Levine talking about getting these legal threat
letters from the people he named in the book lawsuit
fat chance not happening? Why because Levine could go to
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court and call them. Unlike in a criminal case, when
you cannot call a criminal defendant, you can call the target.
In a civil case, Levin could walk into court if
they sued him, and the first thing.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
He would could could do is call the alleged.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Person on the client list and put them on the
stand and cross examine them as a hostile witness. You
think they're going to sign up for that. That's not happening,
Elena Shirazzi. What's happening? Has Virginia phrase book? Nobody's girl
moved the dial at all?
Speaker 1 (10:04):
What do I have to do stick at Dynamite.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Under Bondi's rear end to get this client list? Because
there is a client list?
Speaker 7 (10:15):
Yeah, I mean in Amy Wallace said the Ghost Rita,
she calls it a catalog of horrors, And I mean
as for the people involved, she did mention right in
the book a former prime minister, and if you look
at the document dumps. It actually does mention former Israeli
a prime minister, hud Barock, and well, Emmy Wallace says
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she can't exactly rebuild the names for several reasons, right
because Virginia she wanted to protect, you know, just her sanity,
her children. There's a lot of reasons as to why,
you know, when people say, well, why don't you just
release all of the names, she just wanted to be
okay for a minute, she was obviously struggling. She committed
suicide before this book came out, so she was just
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looking for a little bit of that sanity. But as
you just with the pieces together, you can see some
of these names start to come to fruition. And a congress, right,
I mean Prince Andrew, so much information has come out
about him. Representative Stephen Lanche told the BBC that the
House Oversight Committee is going to be questioning him. They're
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interested in hearing from him. So we certainly see a
lot of this start to unravel, and I think that
it's only a.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Matter of time before all of this comes out. President
Trump said he campaigned on this.
Speaker 7 (11:31):
He said that he would release the Epstein files, he
would release the list so people are still waiting for
that to happen, and Maxwell is still sitting pretty in
this nice prison hoping for a pardon from the president.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
You know what, I want to follow up on what
you're saying.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
For some reason, the client list, the files have not
been made public, and I was hoping, against hope that
the publication of Jeffrey's book would.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Move the need on that happening.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
To Spencer Couvin joining as chief legal officer Gold Law,
who has represented at least nine Epstein victims. Your clients
know the names or the names of some of the
people that abuse them, nine now adult women.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
And as I've told many mini juries.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Look at all these people testifying against him. You think
they all got together, separated in time and space, and
made up an.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Incredibly similar story.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
The same thing happened every time they get called to
the mansion, They get told they're going to give them
massage to Jeffrey Epstein, They meet with Gilain Maxwell, Maxwell
goes in the room with them. Maxwell's strips Epstein's naked,
same story, over and over.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
You know what, if that was my.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Child, I swear I would burn down the courthouse because
nothing is being done.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
What about your clients, nine of them.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Last count that know the names of their predators. Why
have they not been released? Why aren't you releasing them?
Speaker 8 (13:13):
Well, that's a very good question, but the more important
question is why hasn't the government released them? My clients, Now,
this dates back to two thousand and seven when I
first started representing these young girls. We're going on almost
twenty years where this investigation began, and back then my
clients interviewed with the FBI and gave them all of
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the information.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Now, you've got to understand, these young girls fifteen sixteen
years old at the time, were surveiled and harassed ruthlessly
by the Epstein team. Epstein hired private investigators to follow
them around in vans and trucks, take pictures of them,
interview their family members, interview their boyfriends about sexual positions
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that they had done in their life. These girls are petrified,
even though Epstein is dead. They are so afraid because
the system has let them down time and time and
time again over these almost twenty years. So as a result,
they're relying on the federal government to do their job.
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And more importantly, as I've always said, the information is
contained not just in the list but more importantly, in
the videotapes that the government has seized at all three
mansions at.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Episode can Cavean.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
I'm going to circle back because you didn't answer, You
sidestepped it. Why is it that you and your clients
do not release the list of your clients' predators.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Just just give me an answer. What is it?
Speaker 8 (14:50):
They're scared, they're petrified for their lives if they release
any enditions.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Hold on, there's another way to get this list, man,
there's another way to get list. I don't expect the
list to be lying there in gold leaf.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
You have to read the files.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
You and I have come through enough boxes of documents. Boy,
when I was a fed I lived coming through boxes
and documents. And from those documents you get names. It
could be on an email, it could be on a
phone log. It could be on a flight log. It
could be communications back and forth. It could be an
appointment book where you get names. That's the client list.
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The names are there. There's no way the names are
not there. Your client's no names. The women that are
marching on Washington no names. But yet nothing is happening.
You know what's very interesting? Back to Barry Levine, hold
on Dr Bethany. I'm coming Barry Levine right now. There
is an Arizona congress person. She won in September. But
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they are refusing. Washington is refusing the Speaker.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Of the House.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
You don't like what I'm saying, Speaker, come and get me.
The Speaker of the House refuses to swear her in.
Why because she is going to vote for the files
to be released. She hasn't been sworn in. It's almost November.
She was elected duly elected in September. And I don't
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care what she is if she's a Republican, a Democrat,
a Greeney don't care. They are keeping her out from
being sworn in because she is going to cast that
vote for the Epstein files to be produced.
Speaker 6 (16:41):
It's absolutely correct, Nancy. They're trying to sweep this under
the rug, but it just won't go away. And in fact,
we know that Representative Thomas Massey, who's a Republican who's
been pushing to get these files released, he said that
he knows the names of nineteen men. Okay, so Virginia.
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Virginia cited eleven men in her book. He knows the
names of eight additional men. We now have a list
at least he do, of nineteen men. Why isn't the
FBI all over this? Why isn't BONDI directing the FBI?
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Cash could tell to go through those nineteen names, for
God's sakes, bring We know three of them are dead,
and maybe some of the eight that he referenced could
be dead also. But the fact is those that remain
alive need to be brought in. They need to be questioned,
and they need to have the heat turned up on
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them as to what their relationship was with Virginia, with
Jeffrey Epstein, with Maxwell.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
You know what, I'd also like to find out.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
I'd like to find out not only the names of
these predators that aren't rolling in money, power, prestige, that
have been living their lives like nothing happened, Doctor Bethony Marshall.
They're that arrogant, They're that convinced they'll get away with it,
and so far they have and I'd like to know.
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And I guess it's going to take a Watergate type proceeding.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
To find out what's been.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Said in Washington that has stymied this investigation.
Speaker 9 (18:25):
You know, Nancy, this whole group psychology is like the
family where a little girl's being molested. Mommy looks the
other way because she wants to hang onto the love
of daddy. In this case, mommy being the government, daddy
being all these rich, powerful men, the little girl being
Virginia Jeffries.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
You know what's so sad.
Speaker 9 (18:42):
What I read in this book is that she was
molested by her own dad when she worked at Mira Lago.
She was so excited to have this new job. Gilan
Maxwell Waltz is in looking All Fancy promises her to
learn massage. In that very same day she's listed, Do
you don't, Nancy. She was so brutalized on the Lolita
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Express that she feared for her life. This is not
just sexual abuse like giving oral sex or being penetrated
or fondled. This is older, rich, powerful men and women
brutalizing her. I think we really need to cast a
spotlight on that. This is sadism, This is cruelty, This
is beating her up.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
We keep staying back in her sex tracks with Bethany.
It was tolerated, it was condoned, it was encouraged. And
can't you imagine Jeffrey and so many other girls like her,
teen girls as young as twelve at Lolita Island with Epstein.
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You couldn't get off the island. You can only get
there by a fairy With all of these old guys,
can you imagine if they're smiling for the camera that
it's all okay?
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Imagine the environment right there in that compound.
Speaker 9 (20:01):
You know, Nancy, the word sex trafficking and sex abuse
has almost lost its meaning. We've used it so many times,
so let's use another word. Gang rape, gang brutality, torture,
mob violence. These are also very salient words. You know
that that picture where Prince Andrew has his hand around
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her waist. Do you know that Gillan Maxwell told Jeffries
that morning, this is going to be a great day.
This is according to the book. Get up, this is
going to be a great day. You're going to meet
a prince. She was so excited because she bought into
the fairy tale. So she brought her little point and
shoot camera and she said to Gillan Maxwell, will you
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take a picture of us? Poor little thing. She thought
she was meeting a prince who would treat her like
a princess. And Gilan Maxwell then plays a game that
she did with all the perpetrators. Can you guess how
old for Jenna Jeffries is according to the book and Drew.
Prince Andrew replies seventeen. I know because I have girls
who are just a little bit younger. So all of
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this they didn't know how old the girls were. They
did because Gilan Maxwell loved the game of guessing the
girls ages before they were raped, tortured, and penetrated.
Speaker 10 (21:17):
Virginia writes she was instructed to have sex with Prince
Andrew on three separate occasions. Maxwell told her their first
meeting would be just like Cinderella, though.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Virginia says Andrew behaved.
Speaker 10 (21:29):
Like it was his birthright to have sex with her,
though they only spent about thirty minutes together behind closed doors.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Virginia repeats the claim Andrew visited.
Speaker 10 (21:38):
Her in New York just a month later, and also
describes a third orgy on Epstein's Island with the Prince
and other young girls.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Release the files.
Speaker 8 (21:53):
Teens of thousands of documents related to f saying are
refusing to release.
Speaker 9 (21:59):
No, we've got the administration telling us look the other way.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
We got orange blops.
Speaker 9 (22:03):
We got a guy who looks like you know, he
supposedly killed himself with orange paper towels.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Please.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
In the last days, Virginia Giffrey's book Nobody's Girl has
been released. Will it make a difference? We earlier heard
it guest describing her suicide. But you know what too,
Elina Scherazzi, joining a senior reporter with dailymail dot Com.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
There are estimates.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
I mean, I think I've counted six people that committed
suicide connected to Epstein, including Epstein, Giffrey, Epstein's supplier out
of France.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Jean Luke Brunelle.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
He committed suicide much like Epstein, behind bars several of
the child trafficking victims, and doctor Bethany and Lynn Shaw
can explain why victims adult victims of child sex abuse
go on to commit suicide.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
But it's quite the coincidence.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Don't you think that so many people just before they
are to testify, commit suicide. I feel like I'm in
Russia and someone's going to get thrown out the window
or poisoned just before their testimony. You just heard Spencer Couvin,
who is a high profile lawyer, chief legal officer Gold Law,
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who represents going on twelve of the child victims of Epstein.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Saying they're afraid they should be.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Afraid the victims are dropping like flies, Elena.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
I mean you always say timing, timing, timing, right, Nancy, I.
Speaker 7 (23:41):
Always hear you see that, and you have to think
about that. The timing of these suicides certainly is something
to be examined for these young girls who have just
been through so much for so many key figures involved
were obviously keeping an eye as well on Gillne Maxwell
to see what happens to her in that Texas prison
which has a ton a ton of security, but also
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the timing of other things like Prince Andrew and when
he decided he would relinquish his title the Duke of York.
He still is a prince, but people are pushing for
that further.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Just one moment, the way you said that, I don't
like it.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
I don't like anything you just said. And I'll tell
you why.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Isn't it true, Rob Shooter, that Andrew is still insisting
that people say your Highness and that he holds onto
some type of title.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Absolutely behind the scenes. I know a lot of people
in the Palace who work at the Royal Lodge. They're
saying that behind the scenes, he's still is still Prince Andrew.
His staff at the house, his euthy room mansion, that
he's not paying any rent for it.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
I have a staff, Andrew has a staff. He doesn't
get his brush, his teeth and wipe.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Is why does he have a staff? Why are they?
You know what, if the Brents want to pay for it,
you know that's on them. So Elena Shirazzi, I don't
know that he volunteerily relinquished his title. I think he
got called in, summoned into a meeting with Charles and
William and he got a spanky spanky and they swipped
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him off his titles.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
That's what I think.
Speaker 7 (25:20):
They want nothing to do with it. It's such a
big distraction from the Buckingham Palace and certainly the first
time we put a gagging order on Virginia, he claimed
that he was thinking about the Queen. I mean, the
entire royal family wants to separate themselves as far away
from this as possible. And Prince William, we know as
well from our reporting, he wants to separate himself from
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his uncle. There's been so many events just this past
week with the royal family where they even did put
out a statement saying, you know, we want to focus
on what we're doing. We don't want to focus on
things surrounding that. And obviously they meant this, so this is.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
A bad look. This is a horrible look. Elena.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Remember just recently there was a big royal funeral, not
within the British royal family, but another royal family, and
everyone attended and it was this special moment and then
all of a sudden here comes to Andrew lurking In
trying to have a conversation on camera with William who
looked a him and went, oh, it is like a
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dark cloud over them and they represent like it or not, they.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Represent great Britain.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
He should not be walking free popping up at royal events.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
It's a huge distraction. The situation has festered.
Speaker 11 (26:43):
They thought that by.
Speaker 7 (26:44):
Having him put out a statement in his own way,
our reporting shows saying that he would voluntarily relinquish his
title of Duke of York, which, as we talked about Nancy,
was certainly not the case.
Speaker 9 (26:55):
It was a sort of pr outreach.
Speaker 7 (26:57):
On that end, but him trying to come out with
the statements in that way, they think it's going to
just go away. No, it actually put even more attention
on the Royal family. So no matter what were you
try and.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Interesting the way you said that, Elena, the more is try,
the more they try to sweep it under the rug,
it festers.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
It boils up.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
And that's the same thing that's happening here with these
Epstein files. And it's not just Democrats trying to bring
down the White House, is Democrats and Republicans because.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
They know that this is wrong. I mean, you know,
uh shooter, it'll be.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
A cold day in HTUBL that Andrew volunteerily says, here
have all my titles and all the pop and all
the circumstances that did not happen.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
Didn't happen, And even a statement actually says that. In
the statement he uses the word we. We have decided
that I will step away from these titles, not I.
So there's more than him in here. My sources are
telling me this is William. Williamy is disgusted what happened
at the Duchess of Kent's funeral that you reference. Nancy
is disgusted at having Andrew around. And this is the
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problem they have. The Royal family is a family business.
They want him out of the business, but he's still
a blood member of the family. So they've tried to
walk this difficult path of letting him come to family events, funerals, Christmas.
Now they decided no more after that display at the Duchess.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
I've got bigger problems than whether Andrew celebrates Christmas at Sandringham.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Okay, I don't care.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
What I want is this client list, and I want
the predators put behind barge. Jeffrey lived her whole life
destroyed by what had happened to her, just like.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
All the other little girls now women. I just want
nobody likes to let their mind go there.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
But you have to imagine, Levine, isn't it true? Girls
as young as.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Twelve years old.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
We're being brought to Lolita Island, which is under US jurisdiction.
They're in the US Virgin Islands, brought They're flown in
from the stands, from Turkey, from France. Little girls, some
as young as twelve, they are flown there. They are
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taken off the plane, they're put on a ferry. They're
taken over to the island and they are sex abused.
What does sex abuse mean? They are raped, They have
sex with Epstein and his clients. And if we sit
back and let this happen. Jeffrey is dead. Everybody keeps
saying suicide. I'm not sold on that, or Epstein committing suicide.
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That said, who's going to fight now? Who is going
to stand up to Bondye and others that refused to
seek justice. There has to be evidence, Leveine, the fairy workers,
the pilots, the people that prostess their travel for Pete's sake,
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There is a trail about what. And you know what,
there's more evidence. There's got to be a hospital record
of this. Listen, Levine, if you can stomach it.
Speaker 10 (30:21):
Nobody's girl touches on a harrowing medical emergency at age seventeen,
when Virginia woke up in a pool of blood with
stabbing abdominal pain. She was heavily sedated when Epstein took
her to the hospital, and afterwards he told her she miscarried,
but Virginia later learned she likely suffered a ruptured ectopic pregnancy.
The memoir also claims Epstein and Maxwell broached the idea
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of Virginia acting as a surrogate for them, aligning with
newly released emails between the couple discussing fertility testing.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
What did I just hear, wait a minute, that she
was even Virginia Giffrey was even considered carrying as a
surrogate the baby of Epstein and Max. Will talk about
Rosemary's baby. Oh you remember Rosemary's baby with me and Fara.
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Remember that Levine and me and Farrah had the Devil's baby,
the Devil's baby. They were considering using Virginia Giffray, this
little teen girl, to carry their baby as a surrogate.
If that baby did not come out with horns and
a tail, you know, strike me down, Lightning. But there
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has to be evidence of that topic pregnancy, save where
Virginia Giffrey went to the hospital to bolster her testament.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Of course, she can never testify now she's dead.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
I'm sure they're all happy about that, because that's one
last witness they've got to deal with.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Levigne.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
Listen, Nancy. There were cover ups not only in the US,
but in the virgin Islands where his island was in England.
I mean, I know from researching my book. Epstein had
doctors and nurses on his island to deal with the
issues of these girls that were raised as young as
eleven and twelve years old. John Luke Brunell brought over
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blew Over at least a thousand girls to Epstein under
the guise of they're going to be models, We're going
to make them models. And he brought them from all
these different countries, and they were abused. One girl even
tried to she was so frightened, a young girl, she
tried to think about swimming off the island the shark
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confested waters off the island, only to have Jeffrey Epstein's
security detail bring her back and shamee her up in
her bedroom. This is a cover up of massive worship.
The Attorney General in the Virgin Islands, the former Attorney
General Denise George, after Epstein's death, once an investigation, she
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was sickened by what she found from information, as you said,
from the people who worked at the airport, Girls as
young as eleven and twelve were getting off planes. What
the what Epstein would do? Would he would have them
dress up in college university sweatsher in an attempt to
make them look older as if they were in college,
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but in fact these were children up.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
Planes.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
You know what, You just gave me chills all over
because that's kind of detail I look for when I
am trying to assess a witness's credibility again, to wear
out a phrase, it would be a cold day in
HGDVI L that I would put a witness on the
stand that I did not believe. But what you just
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said that it was Epstein's idea to dress the little
girl some eleven twelve is when I heard you said
eleven in college sweatshirts and T shirts to make people
think that they were college aged.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
I he just make up a fact like that. I
believe that.
Speaker 6 (34:13):
Yeah, this is information that the Attorney General turned up
in her investigation. And you know she said that the
state Epstein's estate, which he finally got to force a
compensation fund for the victims, that it was a criminal
conspiracy in terms of what went on over there. You
have to remember that after he received that slap on
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the wrist conviction down in Florida in two thousand and eight,
he wanted to conduct his sex trafficking away from the
eyes of police in Florida and New York, and he
primarily moved his operation to the Virgin Islands, where he
had all these international fixers put these young girls on planes.
It is a cover up of massive proportion, and nobody
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wants to investigate this except for a very few in
the government like Thomas Massey and Senator Roy Wyden, who
is going down a financial trail to try to determine
who Epstein paid from one billion dollars worth of wire
transfers that he turned up. So, you know, this is
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something that still needs investigation, and we need to find
these men who are overseas. We need to find the
men who put these young girls on plane.
Speaker 10 (35:30):
Virginia Geffrey's posthumous memoir Nobody's Girl, describes an excruciating detail
how Gallane Maxwell recruited her into Jeffrey Epstein's sex trafficking ring.
Virginia speaks to the reader, urging them to continue despite
the frequently stomach churning content. Virginia explains the content of
this book is crucial. It is imperative that the truth
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is understood and that the issues surrounding this topic are addressed,
both for the sake of justice and awareness.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Theyved it. There's thousands of thousands of ages.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
We've been told over and over and over that what's
in those files is shocking.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
We're going to get rid of the deep state. We're
going to show you all of the files? Why not
release them? Lies? Lies? Lies?
Speaker 2 (36:13):
What are they hiding?
Speaker 1 (36:18):
What are they hiding?
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Why not release the files? How many people have to
die by suicide before anyone pays attention to what happened
to these young girls? How are these clients still shrouded
in mystery, the editia of reliability and respectability?
Speaker 1 (36:42):
How are they going about their lives like nothing happened?
Speaker 2 (36:46):
I was speaking to Barry Levine, author of The Spider
inside the Tangled Web of Jeffrey Epstein, and Delaine Maxwell
about hardproof like a hospital visit with Jeffray's topic pregnancy,
But what about this?
Speaker 10 (37:00):
One email includes a two thousand items spreadsheet detailing gifts
Epstein financed for powerful associates.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
And his victims.
Speaker 10 (37:09):
Some of the gifts include a fifty thousand dollars Steinway piano,
a sixty thousand dollars diamond necklace and earring set for Maxwell,
a seventy one thousand dollars Lexus for Epstein's lawyer's wife,
and a thirty five thousand dollars watch for one of
Clinton's apes. Maxwell also documents gift cards to lingerie shops, flowers, chocolates,
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laptops and education and red payments made to victims.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Sidney Summer joining me Crime Stories investigative reporter looks like
the victims, the little girls. We're a lot cheaper to
buy off lingerie. Who needs another pair of underwear, flower chocolate,
a laptop, pay the rent. When a presidential aid got
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a thirty five thousand dollar watch, someone else got a
Steinway piano, a seventy one thousand dollars Lexus, that's just
a tip of the iceberg. Sydney Sumner who was paid off,
got bribes, got so called gifts that were enabling child
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sex trafficking.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Sydney.
Speaker 11 (38:31):
Yes, that spreadsheet is just a staggering document to go through.
The records are just it's horrible looking at how easily
these young girls were paid off or appeased in some
way to continue performing what they performed for Jeffrey Epstein.
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Their rent payments, payments for SAP classes, a laptop, and
there's other things, off road vehicles to the tune of
almost one hundred thousand dollars for a minor. These gifts,
we don't know how many of them were accepted. And
Clinton aide who was identified in those emails, denies that
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he ever received that thirty five thousand dollars. Watch, but
it is just staggering how far Jeffrey epstein reach extended,
and Gallaine Maxwell facilitated and bought most of these gifts herself.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
The two of them, the devil and his hitch person,
literally make me sick.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Listen to this that we've discovered about emails between the
two of them.
Speaker 10 (39:36):
Ghlaine Maxwell insists she was not close with Epstein after
two thousand and three, but nearly six hundred and fifty
emails between the financier and socialite begged to differ. They
discuss his initial sexual abuse case gifts to both powerful
contacts and the miners they abused, plans to discredit women
raising allegations against Epstein and.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Shared fertility procedures.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
I mean, right there in emails, gifts were being given
to the so called clients aka.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Dirty old men, and they're victims.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Why were these expensive gifts A fifty thousand dollars Steinway,
a seventy one thousand dollars Lexus and more and more
being given to the clients that the little girl then
little girl victims actually name? How can the US attorney
turn the other way.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
It's such a sham.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
I'm very curious the way that is being portrayed to us,
as if there are no files, there's nothing to see
while a monarchy is under siege. I'm talking about Fergie.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Listen.
Speaker 10 (40:56):
Prince Andrews' ex wife, Sarah Ferguson is exposed and leaked
emails showing that while the Duchess of York publicly apologized
for her Epstein association, she privately apologized to him weeks later,
calling him a supreme friend.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
In a twenty eleven interview, Fergie.
Speaker 10 (41:13):
Says it was a gigantic error in judgment to accept
money from Epstein as she abhors pedophilia, but weeks later,
in a private email to Epstein, she humbly apologizes. Insiders
say Epstein threatened a lawsuit and Fergie sent her email
to appease him. Leaked email showing a fifteen year history
of money and friendship with Epstein is costing Sarah Ferguson
(41:36):
as at least seven major organizations cut ties with the Duchess.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Rob Shecheter joining as host of Naughty but NIC's podcast
and author of a new hit book.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
It started with.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
A whisper shooter. I loved Fergie from.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
The get go. She and Diana my total favorites.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
But now we know Fergie's gotten hundreds of thousands of
dollars from Epstein. He's been bailing her out of financial
woes for years, and she's still living the Champagne caviar lifestyle.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
Now, wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
I don't know if they say this in the UK,
but here we say it when you don't know a horse.
Look at her track record. We know Fergie the Duchess
of York. Sarah Ferguson was caught on video in a
sting where she was accepting tens of thousands of dollars
to introduce somebody to Andrew.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
So we know she will use her position and get
money for it.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
So I don't know what she was doing with all
of Epstein's money, but she gave this public apology. Oh,
I had no idea he was a pedophile and secretly
riding him. I'm so sorry I said that you're my
supreme friend.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
What a load of bs.
Speaker 5 (42:56):
Yeah, it's grotesque, Nancise, absolutely grotesque, And it's another example
of rich and powerful people saying one thing publicly and
another behind the scene. I think, like you, I really
liked Fergie. I've met her several times, and now we've
realized the person that we thought she is she simply isn't.
(43:16):
And it's just another example of these awful people tricking us,
not just said victims, but all of us. This has
been a mass cover up and one that has been
really successful until now, and now, thankfully finally nice having
to change.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
You know, we've got the Tian commandments, right, but there's
also the seven Deadly sins, and one of them is gluttony. Gluttony,
all the champagne, all the caveat, all the chauffeur limos
waiting outside for eighteen twenty hours until she decides she's
not going to go. The mansions, the gifts, the stationary,
(43:58):
the clothes, what was She's spending millions of dollars on herself?
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Nancy herself.
Speaker 5 (44:08):
She made no money as a royal. She's living rent
free in her ex husband's house. She doesn't even have
her own apartment. She's staying with her ex husband. The
mistake we make when we think we know royalty is
we think they're really, really wealthy, and a lot of
them are, but many of them are not Nancy. They
(44:29):
live this fabulous life, but if you check in the
bank accounts, it's not a lot of money. And so
Sarah here was using people like Jeffrey Epstein to get cashed,
and in exchange, he was getting access to power and
access to cover ups.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
She and Andrew were perfect for each other, feel so
bad for their daughters, Beatrice and Eugenie. Doctor Bethony Marshall,
her Spencer Coon and say his clients are afraid. I
guess so, because you've got Prince Andrew and the Duchess
of your cozying.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
Up with Epstein.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Who's going to believe them over the British royal family
for Pete's sake, and presidents and wealthy individuals, CEOs of companies,
and these little girls were saying, hey, raped me.
Speaker 9 (45:15):
Yes, these girls feel so disadvantaged.
Speaker 5 (45:18):
You know.
Speaker 9 (45:18):
One of the things I read in the Book of Virginda,
Jeffrey's book is that she would travel around the United
States with her ghostwriter trying to find people who would
corroborate the fact that she had been on the island
because she was so desperate to have some acknowledgment and
some justice. And then we see this vast cover up
(45:40):
that you're talking about this vast machine against which she.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
Had no power.
Speaker 9 (45:45):
She had no chance, Nancy, And that's what makes me
so sad about this. You know, a detail that I
think is quite interesting because you were talking about evidence,
is that in her book she writes that she was
called to give a massage to a very wealthy, powerful
man whose wife was pregnant. It was at a hotel,
fancy hotel. She gives the wife a normal massage, the
(46:08):
wife goes to bed, she starts to give the husband
a massage, and then she realizes it's an abusive massage.
So she was sex trafficked. Once again. There that's yet
another story that you cannot make up. Who was that wife,
what did she know? Why is that person not coming forward?
Is she covering up from her husband? People are covering
(46:30):
up for so many reasons. And all those gifts Jeffrey
Fstein gave. It's not only to pay people off, but
once they accept the gift, then they're complicit.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
And we saw this with p. Ditty.
Speaker 9 (46:43):
He would do things to make people complicit in his
crimes so that then they would not turn him in,
like taping them having sex with minors or whatever, and
then he would have that tape as evidence. So the
gifts are a way to get people into the full,
to get gifts back from them and to buy their silence.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
A case is being built.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
There are people that are fighting for these victims. If
you know or you think you know anything about this
case Epstein, Maxwell, the clients, or the client list, please
dial to zero two two two five three four six five.
(47:33):
Repeat to zero two two two five, three four six five.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
Yes it's a Washington, DC number, but don't.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Be afraid to zero two two two five three four
six five. We wait and pray as justice unfolds. And
now we remember an American Hero Officer, Lauren Craven le
Masa p D just twenty five, killed in the line
of duty, leaving behind as you can imagine, grieving parents
(48:07):
Karen and David American Hero Officer Lauren Craven Nancy Gray
signing off goodbye friend,
Host
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