November 3, 2025 • 44 mins
A few months after Epstein walked free, Prince Andrew corresponds with the convicted sex offender, promising to make plans for a trip to New York, as “it would be good to catch up in person.”
Andrew claims his December trip to Epstein’s New York mansion was planned solely to break the news he must cut contact with the financier.
However, in a January email to Epstein, Andrew writes, “Keep in close touch, and we’ll play some more soon!!!!”
The Met Police investigate claims Prince Andrew tried to involve his tax-funded Met Protection Officer and Queen Elizabeth’s deputy press secretary in a smear campaign against Virginia Giuffre.
Metropolitan Police are told to re-investigate Virginia Giuffre’s sex abuse allegations against Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor following removal of his royal titles.
But Scotland Yard claims they will not pursue a criminal investigation after Giuffre's initial allegations or her civil case.
Prince Andrew may face more than just eviction! Republic, a pressure group that pushes to see the monarchy abolished, instructed lawyers to begin an investigation into the prince.
Anonymous plaintiffs file lawsuits against Bank of America and Bank of New York Mellon, claiming the institutions illicitly enabled Epstein’s trafficking activities.
Both banks are accused of ignoring the illegal activity, with Bank of America turning a blind eye to Epstein’s use of a victim’s account to pay her and other victims off, and Mellon failed to flag nearly $378 million in victim payments as suspicious.
Joining Nancy Grace:
- Lynn Shaw - She is in DC right now lobbying congress to release the Epstein files; She's the Founder and Executive Director of Lynn's Warriors (an organization committed to ending human trafficking and sexual exploitation, Host of Lynn's Warriors on YouTube; X: @lynns_warriors, YouTube: @LynnsWarriors
- Greg Morse - Criminal Defense Attorney of Morse Legal, Author of “The Untested,” found on Amazon
- Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst, Author: "Deal Breaker," and featured in hit show "Paris in Love" on Peacock; Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, X: @DrBethanyLive
- Robert Crispin - Private Investigator “Crispin Special Investigations," Former Federal Task Force Officer for the United States Department of Justice (DEA and Miami Field Division) and Former Homicide and Crimes Against Children Investigator; FB: Crispin Special Investigations Inc.
- Barry Levine - Author of “The Spider: Inside the Tangled Web of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell,” and Veteran Investigative and Editor in Print and Television
- Harriet Alexander - Senior Features Writer at DailyMail.com
- Sydney Sumner- Investigative Reporter, ‘Crime Stories’
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Victims demand prosecute Prince Andrew as King Charles axes Andrew's
prince title. He's got bigger problems now, demands from Capitol Hill.
Prince Andrew come here and testify on you as soil
(00:28):
Imancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank
you for being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Out of the Blue, Virginia Jaffray's book drops coincidentally the
night before Andrew gets stripped of all of his titles.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Timing timing, Wow, what timing?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
And now Prince Andrew's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein and Gilaine Maxwell.
It was it was very gently bubbling.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
It has boiled over.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
And now the king, as in King Charles, is being
heckled because of his baby brother. Listen that from our
(01:26):
friends as Sky News. If you couldn't understand the heckler
he's yelling out. Have you asked the police to cover
up for Andrew? How long have you known about Andrew
and Epstein? Look, I'm happily an American. I don't want
a king, or a prince or a princess, none of that.
(01:46):
That's for Disney, okay, But when you have a book
published by a sex trafficking victim, Virginia Geoffrey, and coincidentally
that very weak Prince Andrew is stripped of his titles.
Don't tell me that her book, posthumously publicized, had nothing
(02:11):
to do with Andrew's downfall. My question is how can
this help the actual sex molization victims. That's what this
is all about. How disgusting is it to Barry Levine
joining us He is the author of a brand new book.
It's incredible, The Spider inside the tangle web of Jeffrey
(02:32):
Epstein and Glaine Maxwell. It's amazing when you hear that
Epstein had moved a billion b as in brother billion dollars.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Where did he get that?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I guarantee you we will discover it's from trafficking little girls,
including American little girls. Any little girl is bad enough.
Why I said American is because we have jurisdiction over that.
I can't help what Turkey and the Stans are doing Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan,
what they're doing with their children. I can't prosecute that,
(03:09):
but I can help prosecute what was done to American
children at the hands of Epstein. A billion dollars Levin,
probably more enough to make JP Morgan.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Have a multimillion dollar settlement.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
You know, they would not have done that if there
had not been fire underneath that smoke. But Barry Levine,
how disgusted must the British public be.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
About right now?
Speaker 2 (03:41):
To note that Andrew was still chatting and texting and
emailing with Epstein after his Palm Beach conviction, really saying
the words will play more soon, I want to vomit
play un last little.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Girls, Nancy. He said he wanted to continue to have
fun with Jeffrey Epstein. That's the word he used, was fun. Now.
These email disclosures came after Prince Andrews said that he
had cut off all communication with Jeffrey Epstein. He traveled
to New York. There was a photos of the two
(04:23):
of them in Central Park together. He said that was it.
He said, he told Jeffrey Epstein goodbye. Now we're learning
and we're seeing emails where Prince Andrew was continuing to
communicate with Jeffrey Epstein when the photo of Andrew and
Virginia Jeffrey came out standing in Gilay Maxwell's townhouse in London,
(04:50):
a photo that Jeffrey Epstein took. Andrew told Epstein, we'll
get through this together and then we'll have fun again.
It is absolutely disgusting. And I hope now that he
has been stripped of these ridiculous royal titles that he
had that he never deserved in the first place, that maybe,
(05:12):
just maybe the authorities over there will pull up their
pants and actually investigate him. He had a security detail,
Special Operations fourteen. They need to be investigated.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Well, I can tell you this, Lavaine, if it finally
comes to light. They are allegations right now that Prince
Andrew ordered Scotland Yard, Scotland Yard be ashamed. And I
never said that. I have great respect for Scotland Yard.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
He asked them.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
To investigate Virginia Giffrey to smear her when her allegations
came out. He misused law enforcement for his own personal
ill motives.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Hey, listen to this.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Just a few short months after Epstein walks free, Prince
Andrew corresponds with a convicted sex offender, promising to make
plans for a trip to New York as it would
be good to catch up in person. Andrew claims his
December trip to Epstein's New York mansion was planned solely
to break the news he must cut contact with the financier. However,
in a January email to Epstein, Andrew writes, keep in
(06:25):
close touch and we'll play some more soon with four exclamation.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Points, really straight out to Lynn Shaw. She is in
DC right now lobbying fighting for the release of the
Epstein files. I never thought i'd see the day when
we had to go to Washington and demand a child
sex molester's files become public.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
What is this Russia?
Speaker 2 (06:52):
China where there are secret dealings behind closed doors. Oh ha,
doublel and oh, I ain't shutting up about this. God
bless you Lynshaw for being in DC fighting.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
For the those files.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
But I want to by the way, Lynshaw founded Director
Lyn's Warriors, which is dedicated to eradicating sex trafficking of
girls and women and more. But did you notice the
way and the timing of Andrew Prince Andrew. It's like
I just a hairball trying to say Prince Andrew. The
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timing is after the Palm Beach debacle, and I'm about
to go to Greg Morris, who is joining us from
Palm Beach on this after that he knows he knows
Epstein is a child molester.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
He knows that.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
But that said, play again soon, talk about minimizing pain
and suffering.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
I am disgusted with this whole story. It really means
nothing for us in Washington, in the United States, fighting
for our victims of not only these criminals but also
all victims of sexual exploitation. What it does, Why this
does matter, though, is because it keeps it out there,
the narrative. It keeps it in the headlines. It keeps
people talking about it. But we only care about to
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be in Washington and to have a client list. The
whole thing called a hoax, to have people fighting, to
have people saying we have it all on our desk
and we're going to release it, and they've done zero.
So we demand that they open this up. For America.
We want files, we want accountability, we want to bring
people to trial.
Speaker 7 (08:28):
How about we don't talk about.
Speaker 6 (08:29):
So many things here in America. There's Zoro Ranch and
all of those complicit who participated in that, the buyers
of all this. I'm going to call him buyers because
I'm sure money was exchanged. Because none of these people
do anything unless there's financial incentive monies involved.
Speaker 7 (08:44):
So you know what this may be great.
Speaker 6 (08:46):
And Buckingham Palace put out a cute, little nice announcement
the other day that they stand with all victims survivors,
but you know who didn't sign off on that, Andrew.
Andrew is still in denial, so we don't care about him.
We care about all the girls and women that have
been victims of this for decades now, and we demand
answers and accountability.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Joining me, Doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned psycho analyst out of
LA She's the author of deal Breaker, still waiting on
that second book, Bethany Get Kracking. You can see her
on Peacock and find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com.
Doctor Bethany Marshall, I just had a physical reaction as
Lynn from Lynn's Warriors was talking. We were showing photos
(09:30):
of Epstein, and it was the reaction I often had
in court, particularly in child abuse cases.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
I look over as a defendant.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Who was typically on my right side, and the jury
would be right beside me on my left, and they
would look so smug, like there's no way in HGBL
they're going to get caught, and I would actually an
involuntary reaction just go and I would feel my turn
up and discuss when I was looking at at Epstein
(10:05):
he looks so snug in every photo and why not
because he's gotten away with this. Would you please tell
the listeners what child rape victims go through. They are
never the same, and he got away with it for years.
Speaker 7 (10:23):
Okay, So I agree with Lynn.
Speaker 8 (10:25):
Forget about Andrew and start thinking about the victims. Too
much of the spotlight is on Andrew. I'm going to
talk for a second about child victims. Let's not call
them the Royal family. This call them the mount Mountains.
They are no different than any other family. And if
you work for child protective services, you know is you
(10:45):
can go to a family that has a predator, an
aunt and uncle, a cousin, and they will say to
the child protective services worker, oh, you know what, they're no.
Speaker 7 (10:55):
Longer a part of our family.
Speaker 8 (10:57):
We've shuffled them off to the side, not going to
be perpetrating on our family member any longer. In the
minute the child protective Services worker leaves, that family member
is shuffled right.
Speaker 7 (11:09):
Back into the mix. So when we think about victims,
we have to think about.
Speaker 8 (11:13):
Their entire family, you know, family systems, and the fact
that families work together to hold everybody together, even if
there's a child predator.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
You know, it's like that moment Out to Greg Morse
joining us, high profile lawyer, criminel defense attorney, founder of
Morse Legal. He is the author of Untested on Amazon.
Greg Morse is joining us from the Palmbates jurisdiction. Greg,
question to you, now, I'd like a short answer.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
This is over. You have nothing to fight with me about.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
The sweetheart deal that Epstain got when in Palm Bay
he was prosecuted four molesting little girls, not just one, several.
He got a sweetheart dealer tap on the wrist and
he was allowed to be schifferd out of the jail
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wherever he wanted to go, including his home where he
continued to molest children. That was his sentence and have
to come back at night and stay in jail occasionally.
That was his sentence. And it wasn't a secret Andrew
knew about it. And it was after he was convicted
(12:37):
that Andrew wrote all of those emails about playing together.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Soon you join. Right, his title should be stripped, he
should be prosecuted. What's the hold up Morse?
Speaker 9 (12:48):
Well, you know, with regard to Prince Andrew or former
Prince Andrew. At this time, a lot of time has
gone by, so you're trying to arrest or indict some
one for acts that were a long time ago. The
fact that he kept talking to Jeffrey Epstein after he
was a known sex trafficker and was convicted, does it
make him any more guilty of allegations that were made
(13:11):
against Prince Andrew.
Speaker 10 (13:13):
You know.
Speaker 9 (13:14):
The one thing though, for Prince Andrew or for former
Prince Andrew that could be an issue is that he
was stripped of his royal title. He may then be
stripped of any diplomatic protection. We have an extradition treaty
with England. I don't know if those matters will come up.
If there is an indictment in America seeking former Prince Andrew,
(13:34):
that could be an issue for him. And it also
seems like he was removed from the one estate to
go to a thirty one square mile estate because of
getting prostitutes during a business trip to Thailand.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
So you actually staging that, leaving a what fifty room
mansion downgraded to a smaller, for free royal home on
the Sandringham estate.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
That's punishment. No I should just say that.
Speaker 9 (14:07):
No, we agree on that's a joke. That's the Royal
family themselves. Every time they're caught with some information, they
try to do a little bandiate on it with regard
to Andrew Windsor.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
But for Andrew's time.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Hold on, I got to throw this to Harriet Alexander.
Harry Alexander, I want to follow up on what Morse
is saying. Harriet is a senior features writer Dailymail dot
com who has been breaking these stories left and right.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Here's the problem.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
They also threw Fergie Sarah Ferguson out on her ear.
She's got a lot of stories to tell and she's
desperate for money. She just inhales money like a vacuum cleaner,
just cases of champagne. Limma's waiting in the front yard
all day long for her to decide to go somewhere.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Just so Marie Antoinette that said she will want money
and what better way to get it than to do
a tell all book trashing the Royal Family. I mean,
they're not really my concern, but I can see that
coming a mile away. And you heard Morse playing dodgeball
(15:18):
again with me talking about emails, phone calls visits with
Andrew and Epstein are not prosecutable. He's right, but child
molestation is. Did you read it's probably your article in
Dailymail that exposed Prince Andrew's party where they actually had sex, toys,
(15:45):
lubricants kindomy. It sounds like Sean Combs stocking all the
bathrooms of his mansion and the British taxpayers are paying
for that.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Those were the party favors.
Speaker 11 (15:58):
Right right, Yeah, that is part of the outrage in
the UK. The British taxpayers have been supporting this lifestyle
for so long. He's been a deeply unpopular figure in
Britain for many, many years, but it's really come to
a head in the last couple of weeks and he's
certainly somebody who I think will not be missed in
(16:20):
the public eye. It's not just that party at Sandringham,
which Andrew said was just a.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Normal shooting party. It obviously was anything.
Speaker 11 (16:28):
But it's also come out that Andrew, believe it or not,
invited Jeffrey Epstein and Harvey Weinstein, as well as Gallaine
Maxwell to his daughter's eighteenth birthday party back in two
thousand and six. And it's hard to think of any
figures who could be more unwelcome at an eighteenth birthday
(16:49):
party than those two.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Hold on, because tomorrow is the tween's eighteenth birthday, and
I'm going to take a big dinner, and I'm making
a cake in cupcakes, really blowing it out. So let
me understand what you just said, Harriet Alexander Daily Mail.
For the eighteenth birthday for Princess Beatrice, her father Andrew
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invited Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein and Gulaine Maxwell to
her eighteen year old's birthday party. They were having sex
with eighteen year olds and much younger, as.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Young as twelve.
Speaker 11 (17:34):
What happened, right, right, absolutely, So it was a masked
ball that was happening at Windsor Castle. I mean it
was a huge affair. There was a lot of people there.
This was in two thousand and six, so you know,
for reference, Epstein's deal in Florida was two thousand and eight.
But still, to invite Weinstein and Epstein to your daughter's
(17:58):
eighteenth birthday party, I mean it goes quite a long way,
I think to show how close they all were, how
much time they all spent together, how they were very,
very connected, and of course in hindsight, that's incredibly disturbing, Harriet.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
I want you to hear this allegation.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
The Met Police are investigating claims that Prince Andrew tried
to involve his tax funded Met Protection officer and Queen
Elizabeth's deputy press secretary in a smear campaign against Virginia Geffrey.
Andrew provided his bodyguard with Jeffrey's birth date and social
Security number in an email, requesting he dig up dirt
on the young woman. In another email, Andrew told Secretary
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Ed Perkins his guard was working on the Jeffray problem,
adding she may have a criminal record, and.
Speaker 12 (18:47):
I do hope that the authorities will actually pursue some
of these investigations. They will bring charges, and I think
if they do so, there was a very good chance
that both he and Sarah Ferguson may well go to prison.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Everyone friends talk TV okay, Harriet.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Using the Met which is the Metropolitan Police in Great
Britain to investigate your child mole station victim in order
to smear her, that is wrong on so many levels.
Now we cannot prove at this juncture what happened with
Virginia's afraid because she has passed away and cannot be
(19:26):
cross examined, so that cannot be brought forward a trial.
You have a six monment right to cross examined and
witnesses against you, period the end. But the allegations that
Andrew used the met used Scotland Yard to try to
smear a child wol station victim, that's a whole another
can of worms, Harriet, Yeah, absolutely, and it's something that
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the British public want to know.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Andrew Lownie, who.
Speaker 11 (19:54):
Was speaking just then, he is a respected historian, a
biographer who has written a book about the House of York,
of which Andrew of course was formerly the head, and
he is saying that he believes there could be actually
criminal charges brought against Andrew for this in particular. But
this in particular for using the Metropolitan Police and his
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protection detail to dig up dirt essentially on Virginia Gufrey.
That might be you might be able to prosecute for that,
because of course, you know, you can't prosecute for the
alleged acts that happened because that was a it was
a long time ago and also sadly Virginia is dead.
Speaker 13 (20:40):
Crime stories with me Atty Grace, Prince Andrew may face
more than just disownment any viction. Republic A pressure group
constructed lawyers to begin an investigation into the prince, with
plans to mount a private prosecution. If they find evidence
to substantiate the late virgin you need you phrase rape allegations,
(21:02):
Andrew could face jail time. I found guilty in the
criminal proceedings and ex wife Sarah Ferguson could be next if.
Speaker 12 (21:08):
Virginia for his book is very powerful. It really brings
home the extent of what was going on and the
sense of entitlement and arrogance that they had that somehow
they could just do what they wanted and these were
disposable people that they could just discard that.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
From our friends had talked TV to Harriet Alexander, senior
features writer d email dot com. Let me throw a
little legal jargon at us. Legal jargon, I don't know
if you have if that exists in Great Britain. But
Harriet Alexander, did you notice when Andrew walked up and
the other royals were there, he was.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Totally legal phrase the turd in the punch.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Bowl, right, It was like, oh, they all look away,
nobody wants to talk to him. It's very obvious they
moved him one hundred miles away after Jeffrey's.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Book came out.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
That's all well and good, and he deserves so much
more than just a public shaming.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
To what this group republic is.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
It's a pressure, a group who wants to, of course
see the monarchy abolished, but in the meantime they want
Andrew prosecuted privately.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
What is that?
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Is that the same as a civil lawsuit here in
the US, I want to say, private prosecution look like
in Great Britain.
Speaker 11 (22:30):
So that is being carried out, as you say, by
this group which is against the monarchy. I don't believe
that that case is going to have any possibility of
going forwards because the person who would be there, the
person who would be their main witness, the accuser, Virginia Jiufrey,
by suicide earlier this year. So it's not going to
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be possible to prosecute Andrew for rape as they hope,
because the person who would need to prove it is
no longer with us. But I do think they might
have more luck trying to investigate what happened with Andrew
using his taxpayer funded private his taxpayer funded security detail
to dig up information on her to try and discredit her.
(23:15):
I think that's something that could be more profitable for
people who want to see Andrew Facebook punishment.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Private investigator or a founder of Crispin Special Investigations, former
Federal Task Force for the US and DJ former homicide
and Crimes against Children investigator joining us near the Epstein
Florida mansion. You know, I especially wanted to go to you, Crispin,
because you're there near Epstein's Florida mansion, not to be
(23:42):
mistaken with his New York mansion or his Virgin Islands
mansion or any of the other mansions he's got all
around the world. You know, us regular people, may I
speak for you, Like you and me. We don't like
it when rich people take advantage of the police like
(24:03):
Epstein and Andrew have done, take advantage of children like
Epstein and Andrew have done, and then think we're going
to excuse it because they're either American royalty because they're rich,
or they're British royalty.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
I'm about had it up to right here.
Speaker 14 (24:22):
Yeah, in Nancy, I'll tell you there's a lot that
has happened here in the town of Palm Beach. Used
to kind of give you a little idea of where
I am, where zabnuers right behind me, and a couple
of streets south of that is where Epstein's mansion used
to be, and then a few streets south of that
is Trump's marl Lago bomb Pound. So since this all
(24:46):
has transpired, since all this has happened with Epstein, this
property is not through two owners. The first owner works,
You're still right away. He put in plans to Palm
Beach to build a modern home, but he got rejected
because Palm Beach doesn't want modern homes. A lot of
people I probably don't know this, but in Palm Beach,
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if you go to build a house, your neighbors in
the town of Palm Beach have to kind of all
sign up that they're okay with you building a.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Modern home in an area that doesn't have.
Speaker 14 (25:18):
Any and it's got such character of everything else brought
a modern home.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
So going forward, a Sanspy and Crispin Paul, I love
your monologue on the architecture requests. I'm really really stinking
rich people down at Palm Beach.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Can we get to.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
The tam molestation and the fact that nothing's been done
about it? So Nancy.
Speaker 14 (25:39):
This address used to be three six eight al Brill
Array on Palm Beach Island. The new owners were able
to get a brand new address of three six zero
Lbrill Array. Why because they didn't want anything related to
Jeffrey Epstein, the Chad molestation cases that occurred here and
everything else that put a blocked stain on Pamby To Island.
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Everything from grass, the trees, the dirt, the dot has
been gone lifted out. There's not one I wrote a
property belonging to Jeffrey Epstein or anything to do with
any of these hameless crimes against children that are left
on this property.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
You know, it's interesting, so many things, doctor Bethany Marshall.
And I'm about to go to Barry Levine on the
money trail. That may be the only way we get
Andrew or any of Epstein's cohorts.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Doctor Bethany Marshall, you just heard Crispin. He's standing out.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Did you see that multimillion dollar view that Epstein had,
But you know what that view stinks when you think
about him bringing these little children, little girls, little girls.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Think about it.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
You saw You've watched my little girl grow up from
the time she was born Anthony.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
You've known her.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Can you imagine some pos abusing her in that massa
looking out over that beach. They can all go straight
to Hubl riding a pitchfork as far as I'm concerned.
But that said, at some point, regular people like me,
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like Crispin, We're not going to stand by and let
this continue. They're standing for it over in Great Britain,
but not here. No, and I don't understand why we
can't get the release of those files and why nothing
is happening for Pete Saint Lenshaw has to go with
a torch outside.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
The White House up on Capitol Hill to try to
get some action. I don't get it. They it's Marie
Antoinette all over again.
Speaker 8 (27:41):
You know what's interesting and actually disturbing to me, Nancy,
is that these neighbors are observing a crime scene.
Speaker 7 (27:49):
Okay, they're observing something.
Speaker 8 (27:51):
In their neighborhood that really was criminal and children were
abused as young as twelve years of age, And the
fact that they would change the address means that they're
trying to wash their hands of the whole thing. Why
why don't these neighbors come forward, go to court right right?
Their local representative and talk a little bit about the
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cars that they saw coming and going. Who were the car,
what was the license plates. I'm sure they have, you know,
security cameras on their homes. What did they what do
those security cameras.
Speaker 7 (28:25):
What did they record?
Speaker 8 (28:27):
So these neighbors who are trying to sanitize their community,
it's no different than what I said earlier about any
other family that has the lecherous aunt or uncle or somebody,
where they try to protect that person rather than coming
forward and bringing the ill deeds to light to protect
the younger members of the family.
Speaker 6 (28:47):
So I just really disturbed that these neighbors are taking this.
Speaker 7 (28:51):
Course of action.
Speaker 15 (28:52):
The photograph is taken upstairs, and I don't think I
have a winch upstairs.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
It's devastation. He's already lost these titles.
Speaker 16 (29:00):
He's still a prince, he's no longer the Duke of York,
and he's no longer he's royal.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Heb excuse me, you know he's lost all his titles.
He's living rent free in the royal lodge. I want
to hear about any of his suffering.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Is a prosecution across the ocean possible for Andrew Stunning
revelations over the last seventy two hours. In my mind
it means even the royal family smells the stench from
Andrew's lies. Now, how does that correlate to action in
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the US? What about a prosecution for manipulating manipulating the
law enforcement the met Scotland Yard to smear Virginia Jeffrey.
That said, now we've got a powerhouse involved in the
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US that is in the form of major banking institutions
are now dragged into this. But to Harriet Alexander, senior
features writer, deal email dot com, what's the possibility now
that the British public smells blood there will be a
prosecution or will it be covered up for at least
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Andrew allegedly using the met Metropolitan Police in Scotland yard
to smear Giffrey.
Speaker 11 (30:24):
So it's certainly something that a lot of people want
looking into about whether Andrew, as alleged, did pressure his
private security officer to look into Virginia Roberts Giufrey to
see if he could dig up dirt and discredit her.
I think that's something that authorities in the UK will
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be under a lot of pressure to investigate. I think
there's also growing questions about about why is not why
more is not being done in the United States, because
I think, you know, to Lind's point, that this keeps
everything in the news, It's got every body talking about it,
and it heaps pressure on the US authorities to release
more of their files. Because it's worth noting that so
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far the only people who have really faced significant penalties
in a way are Andrew Gilaane Maxwell who's in prison,
Peter mc Andlson, who was the fabassador to Washington, d C.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
He lost his job over this because he.
Speaker 11 (31:24):
Was friends with Epstein, and an American banker, Jess Staley,
who was working at JP Morgan. He was in London
with Barclay's Bank and he lost his job as a
result of the work that he did with Epstein at
JP Morgan back then.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
So there are things happening in the UK.
Speaker 11 (31:45):
But I think people owned even in the UK, are
beginning to ask why more is not being done in
the US to pursue people who were supporting.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Epstein and in some cases clients.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
I agree, those supporting Epstein and he has child said
trafficking that would be reportedly the Bank of America and
the Bank of New York.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Mellon and J. P.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Morgan enter Barry Levine, who has documented endlessly the spider
inside the tangle web of Jeffrey Epstein, Angelane Maxwell, listen
to this, Mary.
Speaker 17 (32:21):
New lawsuits shed light on Epstein's trafficking ring. Anonymous plaintives
file against Bank of America and Bank of New York Mellon,
claiming the institutions illicitly enabled Epstein's trafficking. Both banks accused
of ignoring the illegal activity. Bank of America turning a
blind eye to Epstein's use of a victim's account to
pay her and other victims off, and Mellon failing to
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flag nearly three hundred and seventy eight million dollars in
victim payments as suspicious.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Three hundred and seventy eight million dollars for victim payments
and nobody said a word. In a nutshell, Barry Levine,
I'm just a trial lawyer. Break it down for me
what the banks allegedly did wrong.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
What the banks did wrong, Nancy, was that they looked
the other way. Going back to two thousand and two,
over over one billion dollars of moneys that Jeffrey Epstein
withdrew to pay off enablers around the world and also
to pay off victims. These suspicious activity reports were completely
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you know, red lights for multiple banks, but because Jeffrey
Epstein brought in so many of his wealthy clients, these
banks managed to look the other way, and this sex
trafficking was able to continue for two decades. It's only
now that we're finally looking back at all of the
financial reports and Representative Tom Massey is hoping to prosecute
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nineteen men that he has identified who were sex trafficked to.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Okay, Barry, You're super smart. Book is amazing. I said,
dummy down, You didn't really, dummy down. What I think
you just said is these banks knew Epstein was conducting
nefarious activity, specifically child trafficking, child six trafficking, and on
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the money flow following the money, you can determine who
was sending him girls as young as twelve and.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Who he was paying.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
That is the significance of those financial transactions. What dummy
down can I learn? I would have to work with
you a really long time to put you on the stand. Okay,
no offense, but you're just too smart for the rest
of us. Again, dummy down, What can I learn? One, two,
three from these financial transactions. And you know they did
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it because they entered multimillion dollar.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Settlements to make it go away.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Right, So what am I going to get for the
financial transactions?
Speaker 4 (35:04):
What we're getting, Nancy, from the financial transactions is actual
details and dates of the men and payments that Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Made crime Stories with Nancy Grace, And unlike the Jeffreight molestation,
Sidney Summer joining Me Crime Stories Investigative Reporter, a lot
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of these child molesters victims are still alive. Some of
them are the ones marching on Capitol Hill to get
the Epstein files released. They're alive, they can testify unless
they commit suicide.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Sidney absolutely, Nancy.
Speaker 10 (35:51):
Remember the victims hosted a press conference on Capitol Hill
just a few weeks ago, and the stories were horrendous.
Woman after woman stepped up to that microphone and shared
what they experienced under Epstein's sexual abuse. So there are
many women who are still alive, available, wanting to give
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their testimony, and working on compiling their own list of
Epstein's clients.
Speaker 15 (36:18):
I don't believe it's a picture of me in London
because when I go out to when I go out
in London, I wear a suit.
Speaker 16 (36:24):
And a tie. That's what I would describe as those
are my traveling clothes.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
That's me.
Speaker 15 (36:31):
But whether that's my hand or whether that's the position,
but I don't. I have simply no recollection of a
photograph ever being taken right.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
From our friends at ABC.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
In the last seventy two hours, Prince Andrew has been
kicked out of the Royal Lodge and been stripped of
all of his titles.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
But is that enough?
Speaker 2 (36:54):
The British public says no, and sex simlization victims say
we want him prosecuted on us soil, move a foot
on Capitol Hill asking answer to come voluntarily to testify
and proceedings. No one is going to forget this, largely
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because of this.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Woman that you said, take off your clothes.
Speaker 18 (37:21):
I had these little girl undies on, like little hearts
on them, I remember, and they were laughing at that
because they liked that the younger you look, the better
it is.
Speaker 7 (37:31):
It turns it turns very sexual.
Speaker 18 (37:33):
And it was abuse straight away from both of them.
And sometimes he would just in front of them and
rub his nipples. Sometimes he would have intercourse with them.
Sometimes he'd make them you know, give him.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Laughing at a little girl because she has flowers on her underwear.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
That's for our friends at Lifetime and Miami, Harold. I mean,
you know, all of this legal.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Back and forth, extradition, the Prince Royal Lodge, blah blah.
Robert Crispin joining us outside what was once Epstein's Florida mansion.
You've done a lot of advice, including child prostitution.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
That's what it boils down to. That's what this is about.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Up staining all of his rich clients that made this possible.
Speaker 14 (38:25):
Yeah, they certainly facilitated all this. And I would subject
or I would suggest that there's some more charges coming
down the road. And I think he was stripped of
everything overseas and these titles overseas because the way family knows,
and they've been meeting or speaking with the government, that
charges are about to come down and it's going to
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look a lot better for their family when they say, hey,
he's no longer part of our friendly we've stripped him
of everything.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
I mean to Mary Levine joining us authors despite or
inside the tangled web of Jeffrey Epstein and the Lane
Maxwell two hundred and ninety million dollars was a settlement
from JP Morgan Chase two hundred and ninety million dollars,
and they agreed to implement anti sex trafficking measures. A bank,
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a bank, a respectable bank, in the middle of a
child sex trafficking scheme that should speak volumes to everybody.
If that bank JP Morgan Chase paid nearly three hundred
million dollars to make this go away, there's fire because
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I see smoke Levine.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
Yea, and listen, Nancy. It's sad to think that that
bank that three hundred million bucks to them. It's a
drop in the bucket to them for the amount of
money that Jeffrey Epstein helped them make over the decades
by bringing in is billionaire buddies to at their money
in their bank. But the fact is, if there's any
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one thing that's a positive out of this, is that
those bank records are now finally getting in the possession
of the authorities who can go through each and every
line and look at these suspicious payments that Jeffrey Epstein
made and go after these men. Representative Thomas Massey knows
of nineteen men. Senator Ryan Widen has identified one billion
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dollars in suspicious wire transfers that Jeffrey Epstein made. And
this was money didn't only go through the US banks.
Jeffrey Epstein was also moving money through Russian banks, and
his executors of his estate complicated things for years. They
created one hundred and fifty different bank account for Jeffrey
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Epstein to move his money through. So this was a
wild maze and a wild web. And now it's only
now that investigators are going through this. Let's hope that
there's financial crimes that they can pinpoint and go after
these men not only in the US, but the men
who put the little girls on the planes to the
virgin Islands, who are overseas, who took money from Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Making millions of dollars from child sex trafficking. Epstein and
Andrew is in the MiGs.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
But we are also learning this what is wrong with
this woman? Listen.
Speaker 5 (41:27):
Virginia Verse likens Glene Maxwell to Mary Poppins, but later
learns Maxwell as a prideful, jealous woman. Virginia describes Maxwell's
cruelty during three sumes, with Epstein slapping and hurting Virginia
to assert her dominance. Maxwell also loves to brag about
previous romps, wants positively giddy to share. She performed a
sex act on George Clooney in a bathroom at a party.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Okay again, I need a shrink and a drink, and
says I don't have a drink.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
I'll go with a shrink, Bethany, What is wrong with her?
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Of course Clooney denies this, but what is that ragging
shape performance sex act on Clooney?
Speaker 8 (42:06):
Why you know, Nancy, there's so much that's wrong with this.
I mean, obviously their lives are completely sexualized.
Speaker 7 (42:12):
That's how they relate to everybody.
Speaker 8 (42:14):
This this laughing at Virgina Geoffrey because she had little
hearts on her underwear. That's actually is sadism. That's taking
pain and causing pleasure. I mean, I'm sorry, taking pleasure
and causing pain to another human being. I think Gilan
Maxwell loved to have dominance over other women.
Speaker 7 (42:34):
I think she was envious and jealous of them. I
think she thought that they had it coming to them, and.
Speaker 8 (42:39):
I think it was sexually arousing to her that they
were humiliated. I mean, and this is what we see
in all of these sex cults, that you have this
fearless leader that recruits other women who then dominates the
women under them. And the actual domination is what is
sexually exciting to We use the word middleman.
Speaker 7 (43:00):
This is the middle woman.
Speaker 8 (43:01):
The middle woman finds it sexually exciting to dominate more
submissive females.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
I can't have racked my brain.
Speaker 16 (43:09):
I'm thinking, Oh, and I've said consistently and frequently that
we never had any sort of sexual contact.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Whatever, Queen Elizabeth Rowling and her Gray from our friends
at BBC, we remember an American hero, Deputy Sheriff John
Moon Waller County Sheriff's Texas, killed in the line of
duty after twenty three years serving and protecting, leaving behind
a grief stricken son.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
American hero Deputy Sheriff John Loone. Nancy Gray signing off
goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Victims demand prosecute Prince Andrew as King Charles axes Andrew's
prince title. He's got bigger problems now, demands from Capitol Hill.
Prince Andrew come here and testify on you as soil
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Imancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank
you for being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Out of the Blue, Virginia Jaffray's book drops coincidentally the
night before Andrew gets stripped of all of his titles.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Timing timing, Wow, what timing?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
And now Prince Andrew's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein and Gilaine Maxwell.
It was it was very gently bubbling.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
It has boiled over.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
And now the king, as in King Charles, is being
heckled because of his baby brother. Listen that from our
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friends as Sky News. If you couldn't understand the heckler
he's yelling out. Have you asked the police to cover
up for Andrew? How long have you known about Andrew
and Epstein? Look, I'm happily an American. I don't want
a king, or a prince or a princess, none of that.
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That's for Disney, okay, But when you have a book
published by a sex trafficking victim, Virginia Geoffrey, and coincidentally
that very weak Prince Andrew is stripped of his titles.
Don't tell me that her book, posthumously publicized, had nothing
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to do with Andrew's downfall. My question is how can
this help the actual sex molization victims. That's what this
is all about. How disgusting is it to Barry Levine
joining us He is the author of a brand new book.
It's incredible, The Spider inside the tangle web of Jeffrey
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Epstein and Glaine Maxwell. It's amazing when you hear that
Epstein had moved a billion b as in brother billion dollars.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Where did he get that?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I guarantee you we will discover it's from trafficking little girls,
including American little girls. Any little girl is bad enough.
Why I said American is because we have jurisdiction over that.
I can't help what Turkey and the Stans are doing Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan,
what they're doing with their children. I can't prosecute that,
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but I can help prosecute what was done to American
children at the hands of Epstein. A billion dollars Levin,
probably more enough to make JP Morgan.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Have a multimillion dollar settlement.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
You know, they would not have done that if there
had not been fire underneath that smoke. But Barry Levine,
how disgusted must the British public be.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
About right now?
Speaker 2 (03:41):
To note that Andrew was still chatting and texting and
emailing with Epstein after his Palm Beach conviction, really saying
the words will play more soon, I want to vomit
play un last little.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Girls, Nancy. He said he wanted to continue to have
fun with Jeffrey Epstein. That's the word he used, was fun. Now.
These email disclosures came after Prince Andrews said that he
had cut off all communication with Jeffrey Epstein. He traveled
to New York. There was a photos of the two
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of them in Central Park together. He said that was it.
He said, he told Jeffrey Epstein goodbye. Now we're learning
and we're seeing emails where Prince Andrew was continuing to
communicate with Jeffrey Epstein when the photo of Andrew and
Virginia Jeffrey came out standing in Gilay Maxwell's townhouse in London,
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a photo that Jeffrey Epstein took. Andrew told Epstein, we'll
get through this together and then we'll have fun again.
It is absolutely disgusting. And I hope now that he
has been stripped of these ridiculous royal titles that he
had that he never deserved in the first place, that maybe,
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just maybe the authorities over there will pull up their
pants and actually investigate him. He had a security detail,
Special Operations fourteen. They need to be investigated.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Well, I can tell you this, Lavaine, if it finally
comes to light. They are allegations right now that Prince
Andrew ordered Scotland Yard, Scotland Yard be ashamed. And I
never said that. I have great respect for Scotland Yard.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
He asked them.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
To investigate Virginia Giffrey to smear her when her allegations
came out. He misused law enforcement for his own personal
ill motives.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Hey, listen to this.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Just a few short months after Epstein walks free, Prince
Andrew corresponds with a convicted sex offender, promising to make
plans for a trip to New York as it would
be good to catch up in person. Andrew claims his
December trip to Epstein's New York mansion was planned solely
to break the news he must cut contact with the financier. However,
in a January email to Epstein, Andrew writes, keep in
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close touch and we'll play some more soon with four exclamation.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Points, really straight out to Lynn Shaw. She is in
DC right now lobbying fighting for the release of the
Epstein files. I never thought i'd see the day when
we had to go to Washington and demand a child
sex molester's files become public.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
What is this Russia?
Speaker 2 (06:52):
China where there are secret dealings behind closed doors. Oh ha,
doublel and oh, I ain't shutting up about this. God
bless you Lynshaw for being in DC fighting.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
For the those files.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
But I want to by the way, Lynshaw founded Director
Lyn's Warriors, which is dedicated to eradicating sex trafficking of
girls and women and more. But did you notice the
way and the timing of Andrew Prince Andrew. It's like
I just a hairball trying to say Prince Andrew. The
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timing is after the Palm Beach debacle, and I'm about
to go to Greg Morris, who is joining us from
Palm Beach on this after that he knows he knows
Epstein is a child molester.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
He knows that.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
But that said, play again soon, talk about minimizing pain
and suffering.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
I am disgusted with this whole story. It really means
nothing for us in Washington, in the United States, fighting
for our victims of not only these criminals but also
all victims of sexual exploitation. What it does, Why this
does matter, though, is because it keeps it out there,
the narrative. It keeps it in the headlines. It keeps
people talking about it. But we only care about to
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be in Washington and to have a client list. The
whole thing called a hoax, to have people fighting, to
have people saying we have it all on our desk
and we're going to release it, and they've done zero.
So we demand that they open this up. For America.
We want files, we want accountability, we want to bring
people to trial.
Speaker 7 (08:28):
How about we don't talk about.
Speaker 6 (08:29):
So many things here in America. There's Zoro Ranch and
all of those complicit who participated in that, the buyers
of all this. I'm going to call him buyers because
I'm sure money was exchanged. Because none of these people
do anything unless there's financial incentive monies involved.
Speaker 7 (08:44):
So you know what this may be great.
Speaker 6 (08:46):
And Buckingham Palace put out a cute, little nice announcement
the other day that they stand with all victims survivors,
but you know who didn't sign off on that, Andrew.
Andrew is still in denial, so we don't care about him.
We care about all the girls and women that have
been victims of this for decades now, and we demand
answers and accountability.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Joining me, Doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned psycho analyst out of
LA She's the author of deal Breaker, still waiting on
that second book, Bethany Get Kracking. You can see her
on Peacock and find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com.
Doctor Bethany Marshall, I just had a physical reaction as
Lynn from Lynn's Warriors was talking. We were showing photos
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of Epstein, and it was the reaction I often had
in court, particularly in child abuse cases.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
I look over as a defendant.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Who was typically on my right side, and the jury
would be right beside me on my left, and they
would look so smug, like there's no way in HGBL
they're going to get caught, and I would actually an
involuntary reaction just go and I would feel my turn
up and discuss when I was looking at at Epstein
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he looks so snug in every photo and why not
because he's gotten away with this. Would you please tell
the listeners what child rape victims go through. They are
never the same, and he got away with it for years.
Speaker 7 (10:23):
Okay, So I agree with Lynn.
Speaker 8 (10:25):
Forget about Andrew and start thinking about the victims. Too
much of the spotlight is on Andrew. I'm going to
talk for a second about child victims. Let's not call
them the Royal family. This call them the mount Mountains.
They are no different than any other family. And if
you work for child protective services, you know is you
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can go to a family that has a predator, an
aunt and uncle, a cousin, and they will say to
the child protective services worker, oh, you know what, they're no.
Speaker 7 (10:55):
Longer a part of our family.
Speaker 8 (10:57):
We've shuffled them off to the side, not going to
be perpetrating on our family member any longer. In the
minute the child protective Services worker leaves, that family member
is shuffled right.
Speaker 7 (11:09):
Back into the mix. So when we think about victims,
we have to think about.
Speaker 8 (11:13):
Their entire family, you know, family systems, and the fact
that families work together to hold everybody together, even if
there's a child predator.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
You know, it's like that moment Out to Greg Morse
joining us, high profile lawyer, criminel defense attorney, founder of
Morse Legal. He is the author of Untested on Amazon.
Greg Morse is joining us from the Palmbates jurisdiction. Greg,
question to you, now, I'd like a short answer.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
This is over. You have nothing to fight with me about.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
The sweetheart deal that Epstain got when in Palm Bay
he was prosecuted four molesting little girls, not just one, several.
He got a sweetheart dealer tap on the wrist and
he was allowed to be schifferd out of the jail
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wherever he wanted to go, including his home where he
continued to molest children. That was his sentence and have
to come back at night and stay in jail occasionally.
That was his sentence. And it wasn't a secret Andrew
knew about it. And it was after he was convicted
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that Andrew wrote all of those emails about playing together.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Soon you join. Right, his title should be stripped, he
should be prosecuted. What's the hold up Morse?
Speaker 9 (12:48):
Well, you know, with regard to Prince Andrew or former
Prince Andrew. At this time, a lot of time has
gone by, so you're trying to arrest or indict some
one for acts that were a long time ago. The
fact that he kept talking to Jeffrey Epstein after he
was a known sex trafficker and was convicted, does it
make him any more guilty of allegations that were made
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against Prince Andrew.
Speaker 10 (13:13):
You know.
Speaker 9 (13:14):
The one thing though, for Prince Andrew or for former
Prince Andrew that could be an issue is that he
was stripped of his royal title. He may then be
stripped of any diplomatic protection. We have an extradition treaty
with England. I don't know if those matters will come up.
If there is an indictment in America seeking former Prince Andrew,
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that could be an issue for him. And it also
seems like he was removed from the one estate to
go to a thirty one square mile estate because of
getting prostitutes during a business trip to Thailand.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
So you actually staging that, leaving a what fifty room
mansion downgraded to a smaller, for free royal home on
the Sandringham estate.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
That's punishment. No I should just say that.
Speaker 9 (14:07):
No, we agree on that's a joke. That's the Royal
family themselves. Every time they're caught with some information, they
try to do a little bandiate on it with regard
to Andrew Windsor.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
But for Andrew's time.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Hold on, I got to throw this to Harriet Alexander.
Harry Alexander, I want to follow up on what Morse
is saying. Harriet is a senior features writer Dailymail dot
com who has been breaking these stories left and right.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Here's the problem.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
They also threw Fergie Sarah Ferguson out on her ear.
She's got a lot of stories to tell and she's
desperate for money. She just inhales money like a vacuum cleaner,
just cases of champagne. Limma's waiting in the front yard
all day long for her to decide to go somewhere.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Just so Marie Antoinette that said she will want money
and what better way to get it than to do
a tell all book trashing the Royal Family. I mean,
they're not really my concern, but I can see that
coming a mile away. And you heard Morse playing dodgeball
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again with me talking about emails, phone calls visits with
Andrew and Epstein are not prosecutable. He's right, but child
molestation is. Did you read it's probably your article in
Dailymail that exposed Prince Andrew's party where they actually had sex, toys,
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lubricants kindomy. It sounds like Sean Combs stocking all the
bathrooms of his mansion and the British taxpayers are paying
for that.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Those were the party favors.
Speaker 11 (15:58):
Right right, Yeah, that is part of the outrage in
the UK. The British taxpayers have been supporting this lifestyle
for so long. He's been a deeply unpopular figure in
Britain for many, many years, but it's really come to
a head in the last couple of weeks and he's
certainly somebody who I think will not be missed in
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the public eye. It's not just that party at Sandringham,
which Andrew said was just a.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Normal shooting party. It obviously was anything.
Speaker 11 (16:28):
But it's also come out that Andrew, believe it or not,
invited Jeffrey Epstein and Harvey Weinstein, as well as Gallaine
Maxwell to his daughter's eighteenth birthday party back in two
thousand and six. And it's hard to think of any
figures who could be more unwelcome at an eighteenth birthday
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party than those two.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Hold on, because tomorrow is the tween's eighteenth birthday, and
I'm going to take a big dinner, and I'm making
a cake in cupcakes, really blowing it out. So let
me understand what you just said, Harriet Alexander Daily Mail.
For the eighteenth birthday for Princess Beatrice, her father Andrew
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invited Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein and Gulaine Maxwell to
her eighteen year old's birthday party. They were having sex
with eighteen year olds and much younger, as.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Young as twelve.
Speaker 11 (17:34):
What happened, right, right, absolutely, So it was a masked
ball that was happening at Windsor Castle. I mean it
was a huge affair. There was a lot of people there.
This was in two thousand and six, so you know,
for reference, Epstein's deal in Florida was two thousand and eight.
But still, to invite Weinstein and Epstein to your daughter's
(17:58):
eighteenth birthday party, I mean it goes quite a long way,
I think to show how close they all were, how
much time they all spent together, how they were very,
very connected, and of course in hindsight, that's incredibly disturbing, Harriet.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
I want you to hear this allegation.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
The Met Police are investigating claims that Prince Andrew tried
to involve his tax funded Met Protection officer and Queen
Elizabeth's deputy press secretary in a smear campaign against Virginia Geffrey.
Andrew provided his bodyguard with Jeffrey's birth date and social
Security number in an email, requesting he dig up dirt
on the young woman. In another email, Andrew told Secretary
(18:41):
Ed Perkins his guard was working on the Jeffray problem,
adding she may have a criminal record, and.
Speaker 12 (18:47):
I do hope that the authorities will actually pursue some
of these investigations. They will bring charges, and I think
if they do so, there was a very good chance
that both he and Sarah Ferguson may well go to prison.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Everyone friends talk TV okay, Harriet.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Using the Met which is the Metropolitan Police in Great
Britain to investigate your child mole station victim in order
to smear her, that is wrong on so many levels.
Now we cannot prove at this juncture what happened with
Virginia's afraid because she has passed away and cannot be
(19:26):
cross examined, so that cannot be brought forward a trial.
You have a six monment right to cross examined and
witnesses against you, period the end. But the allegations that
Andrew used the met used Scotland Yard to try to
smear a child wol station victim, that's a whole another
can of worms, Harriet, Yeah, absolutely, and it's something that
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the British public want to know.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Andrew Lownie, who.
Speaker 11 (19:54):
Was speaking just then, he is a respected historian, a
biographer who has written a book about the House of York,
of which Andrew of course was formerly the head, and
he is saying that he believes there could be actually
criminal charges brought against Andrew for this in particular. But
this in particular for using the Metropolitan Police and his
(20:16):
protection detail to dig up dirt essentially on Virginia Gufrey.
That might be you might be able to prosecute for that,
because of course, you know, you can't prosecute for the
alleged acts that happened because that was a it was
a long time ago and also sadly Virginia is dead.
Speaker 13 (20:40):
Crime stories with me Atty Grace, Prince Andrew may face
more than just disownment any viction. Republic A pressure group
constructed lawyers to begin an investigation into the prince, with
plans to mount a private prosecution. If they find evidence
to substantiate the late virgin you need you phrase rape allegations,
(21:02):
Andrew could face jail time. I found guilty in the
criminal proceedings and ex wife Sarah Ferguson could be next if.
Speaker 12 (21:08):
Virginia for his book is very powerful. It really brings
home the extent of what was going on and the
sense of entitlement and arrogance that they had that somehow
they could just do what they wanted and these were
disposable people that they could just discard that.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
From our friends had talked TV to Harriet Alexander, senior
features writer d email dot com. Let me throw a
little legal jargon at us. Legal jargon, I don't know
if you have if that exists in Great Britain. But
Harriet Alexander, did you notice when Andrew walked up and
the other royals were there, he was.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Totally legal phrase the turd in the punch.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Bowl, right, It was like, oh, they all look away,
nobody wants to talk to him. It's very obvious they
moved him one hundred miles away after Jeffrey's.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Book came out.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
That's all well and good, and he deserves so much
more than just a public shaming.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
To what this group republic is.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
It's a pressure, a group who wants to, of course
see the monarchy abolished, but in the meantime they want
Andrew prosecuted privately.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
What is that?
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Is that the same as a civil lawsuit here in
the US, I want to say, private prosecution look like
in Great Britain.
Speaker 11 (22:30):
So that is being carried out, as you say, by
this group which is against the monarchy. I don't believe
that that case is going to have any possibility of
going forwards because the person who would be there, the
person who would be their main witness, the accuser, Virginia Jiufrey,
by suicide earlier this year. So it's not going to
(22:51):
be possible to prosecute Andrew for rape as they hope,
because the person who would need to prove it is
no longer with us. But I do think they might
have more luck trying to investigate what happened with Andrew
using his taxpayer funded private his taxpayer funded security detail
to dig up information on her to try and discredit her.
(23:15):
I think that's something that could be more profitable for
people who want to see Andrew Facebook punishment.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Private investigator or a founder of Crispin Special Investigations, former
Federal Task Force for the US and DJ former homicide
and Crimes against Children investigator joining us near the Epstein
Florida mansion. You know, I especially wanted to go to you, Crispin,
because you're there near Epstein's Florida mansion, not to be
(23:42):
mistaken with his New York mansion or his Virgin Islands
mansion or any of the other mansions he's got all
around the world. You know, us regular people, may I
speak for you, Like you and me. We don't like
it when rich people take advantage of the police like
(24:03):
Epstein and Andrew have done, take advantage of children like
Epstein and Andrew have done, and then think we're going
to excuse it because they're either American royalty because they're rich,
or they're British royalty.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
I'm about had it up to right here.
Speaker 14 (24:22):
Yeah, in Nancy, I'll tell you there's a lot that
has happened here in the town of Palm Beach. Used
to kind of give you a little idea of where
I am, where zabnuers right behind me, and a couple
of streets south of that is where Epstein's mansion used
to be, and then a few streets south of that
is Trump's marl Lago bomb Pound. So since this all
(24:46):
has transpired, since all this has happened with Epstein, this
property is not through two owners. The first owner works,
You're still right away. He put in plans to Palm
Beach to build a modern home, but he got rejected
because Palm Beach doesn't want modern homes. A lot of
people I probably don't know this, but in Palm Beach,
(25:06):
if you go to build a house, your neighbors in
the town of Palm Beach have to kind of all
sign up that they're okay with you building a.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Modern home in an area that doesn't have.
Speaker 14 (25:18):
Any and it's got such character of everything else brought
a modern home.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
So going forward, a Sanspy and Crispin Paul, I love
your monologue on the architecture requests. I'm really really stinking
rich people down at Palm Beach.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Can we get to.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
The tam molestation and the fact that nothing's been done
about it? So Nancy.
Speaker 14 (25:39):
This address used to be three six eight al Brill
Array on Palm Beach Island. The new owners were able
to get a brand new address of three six zero
Lbrill Array. Why because they didn't want anything related to
Jeffrey Epstein, the Chad molestation cases that occurred here and
everything else that put a blocked stain on Pamby To Island.
(26:01):
Everything from grass, the trees, the dirt, the dot has
been gone lifted out. There's not one I wrote a
property belonging to Jeffrey Epstein or anything to do with
any of these hameless crimes against children that are left
on this property.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
You know, it's interesting, so many things, doctor Bethany Marshall.
And I'm about to go to Barry Levine on the
money trail. That may be the only way we get
Andrew or any of Epstein's cohorts.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Doctor Bethany Marshall, you just heard Crispin. He's standing out.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Did you see that multimillion dollar view that Epstein had,
But you know what that view stinks when you think
about him bringing these little children, little girls, little girls.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Think about it.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
You saw You've watched my little girl grow up from
the time she was born Anthony.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
You've known her.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Can you imagine some pos abusing her in that massa
looking out over that beach. They can all go straight
to Hubl riding a pitchfork as far as I'm concerned.
But that said, at some point, regular people like me,
(27:13):
like Crispin, We're not going to stand by and let
this continue. They're standing for it over in Great Britain,
but not here. No, and I don't understand why we
can't get the release of those files and why nothing
is happening for Pete Saint Lenshaw has to go with
a torch outside.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
The White House up on Capitol Hill to try to
get some action. I don't get it. They it's Marie
Antoinette all over again.
Speaker 8 (27:41):
You know what's interesting and actually disturbing to me, Nancy,
is that these neighbors are observing a crime scene.
Speaker 7 (27:49):
Okay, they're observing something.
Speaker 8 (27:51):
In their neighborhood that really was criminal and children were
abused as young as twelve years of age, And the
fact that they would change the address means that they're
trying to wash their hands of the whole thing. Why
why don't these neighbors come forward, go to court right right?
Their local representative and talk a little bit about the
(28:13):
cars that they saw coming and going. Who were the car,
what was the license plates. I'm sure they have, you know,
security cameras on their homes. What did they what do
those security cameras.
Speaker 7 (28:25):
What did they record?
Speaker 8 (28:27):
So these neighbors who are trying to sanitize their community,
it's no different than what I said earlier about any
other family that has the lecherous aunt or uncle or somebody,
where they try to protect that person rather than coming
forward and bringing the ill deeds to light to protect
the younger members of the family.
Speaker 6 (28:47):
So I just really disturbed that these neighbors are taking this.
Speaker 7 (28:51):
Course of action.
Speaker 15 (28:52):
The photograph is taken upstairs, and I don't think I
have a winch upstairs.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
It's devastation. He's already lost these titles.
Speaker 16 (29:00):
He's still a prince, he's no longer the Duke of York,
and he's no longer he's royal.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Heb excuse me, you know he's lost all his titles.
He's living rent free in the royal lodge. I want
to hear about any of his suffering.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Is a prosecution across the ocean possible for Andrew Stunning
revelations over the last seventy two hours. In my mind
it means even the royal family smells the stench from
Andrew's lies. Now, how does that correlate to action in
(29:36):
the US? What about a prosecution for manipulating manipulating the
law enforcement the met Scotland Yard to smear Virginia Jeffrey.
That said, now we've got a powerhouse involved in the
(29:56):
US that is in the form of major banking institutions
are now dragged into this. But to Harriet Alexander, senior
features writer, deal email dot com, what's the possibility now
that the British public smells blood there will be a
prosecution or will it be covered up for at least
(30:17):
Andrew allegedly using the met Metropolitan Police in Scotland yard
to smear Giffrey.
Speaker 11 (30:24):
So it's certainly something that a lot of people want
looking into about whether Andrew, as alleged, did pressure his
private security officer to look into Virginia Roberts Giufrey to
see if he could dig up dirt and discredit her.
I think that's something that authorities in the UK will
(30:45):
be under a lot of pressure to investigate. I think
there's also growing questions about about why is not why
more is not being done in the United States, because
I think, you know, to Lind's point, that this keeps
everything in the news, It's got every body talking about it,
and it heaps pressure on the US authorities to release
more of their files. Because it's worth noting that so
(31:08):
far the only people who have really faced significant penalties
in a way are Andrew Gilaane Maxwell who's in prison,
Peter mc Andlson, who was the fabassador to Washington, d C.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
He lost his job over this because he.
Speaker 11 (31:24):
Was friends with Epstein, and an American banker, Jess Staley,
who was working at JP Morgan. He was in London
with Barclay's Bank and he lost his job as a
result of the work that he did with Epstein at
JP Morgan back then.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
So there are things happening in the UK.
Speaker 11 (31:45):
But I think people owned even in the UK, are
beginning to ask why more is not being done in
the US to pursue people who were supporting.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Epstein and in some cases clients.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
I agree, those supporting Epstein and he has child said
trafficking that would be reportedly the Bank of America and
the Bank of New York.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Mellon and J. P.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Morgan enter Barry Levine, who has documented endlessly the spider
inside the tangle web of Jeffrey Epstein, Angelane Maxwell, listen
to this, Mary.
Speaker 17 (32:21):
New lawsuits shed light on Epstein's trafficking ring. Anonymous plaintives
file against Bank of America and Bank of New York Mellon,
claiming the institutions illicitly enabled Epstein's trafficking. Both banks accused
of ignoring the illegal activity. Bank of America turning a
blind eye to Epstein's use of a victim's account to
pay her and other victims off, and Mellon failing to
(32:43):
flag nearly three hundred and seventy eight million dollars in
victim payments as suspicious.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Three hundred and seventy eight million dollars for victim payments
and nobody said a word. In a nutshell, Barry Levine,
I'm just a trial lawyer. Break it down for me
what the banks allegedly did wrong.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
What the banks did wrong, Nancy, was that they looked
the other way. Going back to two thousand and two,
over over one billion dollars of moneys that Jeffrey Epstein
withdrew to pay off enablers around the world and also
to pay off victims. These suspicious activity reports were completely
(33:27):
you know, red lights for multiple banks, but because Jeffrey
Epstein brought in so many of his wealthy clients, these
banks managed to look the other way, and this sex
trafficking was able to continue for two decades. It's only
now that we're finally looking back at all of the
financial reports and Representative Tom Massey is hoping to prosecute
(33:51):
nineteen men that he has identified who were sex trafficked to.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Okay, Barry, You're super smart. Book is amazing. I said,
dummy down, You didn't really, dummy down. What I think
you just said is these banks knew Epstein was conducting
nefarious activity, specifically child trafficking, child six trafficking, and on
(34:20):
the money flow following the money, you can determine who
was sending him girls as young as twelve and.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Who he was paying.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
That is the significance of those financial transactions. What dummy
down can I learn? I would have to work with
you a really long time to put you on the stand. Okay,
no offense, but you're just too smart for the rest
of us. Again, dummy down, What can I learn? One, two,
three from these financial transactions. And you know they did
(34:53):
it because they entered multimillion dollar.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Settlements to make it go away.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Right, So what am I going to get for the
financial transactions?
Speaker 4 (35:04):
What we're getting, Nancy, from the financial transactions is actual
details and dates of the men and payments that Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Made crime Stories with Nancy Grace, And unlike the Jeffreight molestation,
Sidney Summer joining Me Crime Stories Investigative Reporter, a lot
(35:33):
of these child molesters victims are still alive. Some of
them are the ones marching on Capitol Hill to get
the Epstein files released. They're alive, they can testify unless
they commit suicide.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Sidney absolutely, Nancy.
Speaker 10 (35:51):
Remember the victims hosted a press conference on Capitol Hill
just a few weeks ago, and the stories were horrendous.
Woman after woman stepped up to that microphone and shared
what they experienced under Epstein's sexual abuse. So there are
many women who are still alive, available, wanting to give
(36:12):
their testimony, and working on compiling their own list of
Epstein's clients.
Speaker 15 (36:18):
I don't believe it's a picture of me in London
because when I go out to when I go out
in London, I wear a suit.
Speaker 16 (36:24):
And a tie. That's what I would describe as those
are my traveling clothes.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
That's me.
Speaker 15 (36:31):
But whether that's my hand or whether that's the position,
but I don't. I have simply no recollection of a
photograph ever being taken right.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
From our friends at ABC.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
In the last seventy two hours, Prince Andrew has been
kicked out of the Royal Lodge and been stripped of
all of his titles.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
But is that enough?
Speaker 2 (36:54):
The British public says no, and sex simlization victims say
we want him prosecuted on us soil, move a foot
on Capitol Hill asking answer to come voluntarily to testify
and proceedings. No one is going to forget this, largely
(37:16):
because of this.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Woman that you said, take off your clothes.
Speaker 18 (37:21):
I had these little girl undies on, like little hearts
on them, I remember, and they were laughing at that
because they liked that the younger you look, the better
it is.
Speaker 7 (37:31):
It turns it turns very sexual.
Speaker 18 (37:33):
And it was abuse straight away from both of them.
And sometimes he would just in front of them and
rub his nipples. Sometimes he would have intercourse with them.
Sometimes he'd make them you know, give him.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Laughing at a little girl because she has flowers on her underwear.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
That's for our friends at Lifetime and Miami, Harold. I mean,
you know, all of this legal.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Back and forth, extradition, the Prince Royal Lodge, blah blah.
Robert Crispin joining us outside what was once Epstein's Florida mansion.
You've done a lot of advice, including child prostitution.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
That's what it boils down to. That's what this is about.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Up staining all of his rich clients that made this possible.
Speaker 14 (38:25):
Yeah, they certainly facilitated all this. And I would subject
or I would suggest that there's some more charges coming
down the road. And I think he was stripped of
everything overseas and these titles overseas because the way family knows,
and they've been meeting or speaking with the government, that
charges are about to come down and it's going to
(38:46):
look a lot better for their family when they say, hey,
he's no longer part of our friendly we've stripped him
of everything.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
I mean to Mary Levine joining us authors despite or
inside the tangled web of Jeffrey Epstein and the Lane
Maxwell two hundred and ninety million dollars was a settlement
from JP Morgan Chase two hundred and ninety million dollars,
and they agreed to implement anti sex trafficking measures. A bank,
(39:17):
a bank, a respectable bank, in the middle of a
child sex trafficking scheme that should speak volumes to everybody.
If that bank JP Morgan Chase paid nearly three hundred
million dollars to make this go away, there's fire because
(39:39):
I see smoke Levine.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
Yea, and listen, Nancy. It's sad to think that that
bank that three hundred million bucks to them. It's a
drop in the bucket to them for the amount of
money that Jeffrey Epstein helped them make over the decades
by bringing in is billionaire buddies to at their money
in their bank. But the fact is, if there's any
(40:04):
one thing that's a positive out of this, is that
those bank records are now finally getting in the possession
of the authorities who can go through each and every
line and look at these suspicious payments that Jeffrey Epstein
made and go after these men. Representative Thomas Massey knows
of nineteen men. Senator Ryan Widen has identified one billion
(40:28):
dollars in suspicious wire transfers that Jeffrey Epstein made. And
this was money didn't only go through the US banks.
Jeffrey Epstein was also moving money through Russian banks, and
his executors of his estate complicated things for years. They
created one hundred and fifty different bank account for Jeffrey
(40:48):
Epstein to move his money through. So this was a
wild maze and a wild web. And now it's only
now that investigators are going through this. Let's hope that
there's financial crimes that they can pinpoint and go after
these men not only in the US, but the men
who put the little girls on the planes to the
virgin Islands, who are overseas, who took money from Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Making millions of dollars from child sex trafficking. Epstein and
Andrew is in the MiGs.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
But we are also learning this what is wrong with
this woman? Listen.
Speaker 5 (41:27):
Virginia Verse likens Glene Maxwell to Mary Poppins, but later
learns Maxwell as a prideful, jealous woman. Virginia describes Maxwell's
cruelty during three sumes, with Epstein slapping and hurting Virginia
to assert her dominance. Maxwell also loves to brag about
previous romps, wants positively giddy to share. She performed a
sex act on George Clooney in a bathroom at a party.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Okay again, I need a shrink and a drink, and
says I don't have a drink.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
I'll go with a shrink, Bethany, What is wrong with her?
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Of course Clooney denies this, but what is that ragging
shape performance sex act on Clooney?
Speaker 8 (42:06):
Why you know, Nancy, there's so much that's wrong with this.
I mean, obviously their lives are completely sexualized.
Speaker 7 (42:12):
That's how they relate to everybody.
Speaker 8 (42:14):
This this laughing at Virgina Geoffrey because she had little
hearts on her underwear. That's actually is sadism. That's taking
pain and causing pleasure. I mean, I'm sorry, taking pleasure
and causing pain to another human being. I think Gilan
Maxwell loved to have dominance over other women.
Speaker 7 (42:34):
I think she was envious and jealous of them. I
think she thought that they had it coming to them, and.
Speaker 8 (42:39):
I think it was sexually arousing to her that they
were humiliated. I mean, and this is what we see
in all of these sex cults, that you have this
fearless leader that recruits other women who then dominates the
women under them. And the actual domination is what is
sexually exciting to We use the word middleman.
Speaker 7 (43:00):
This is the middle woman.
Speaker 8 (43:01):
The middle woman finds it sexually exciting to dominate more
submissive females.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
I can't have racked my brain.
Speaker 16 (43:09):
I'm thinking, Oh, and I've said consistently and frequently that
we never had any sort of sexual contact.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Whatever, Queen Elizabeth Rowling and her Gray from our friends
at BBC, we remember an American hero, Deputy Sheriff John
Moon Waller County Sheriff's Texas, killed in the line of
duty after twenty three years serving and protecting, leaving behind
a grief stricken son.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
American hero Deputy Sheriff John Loone. Nancy Gray signing off
goodbye friend,
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