December 10, 2025 • 43 mins
House Democrats release more than 150 never-before-seen images and videos from Jeffrey Epstein's private island, offering a peek inside the estate, which is at the center of his sex trafficking allegations.
The images show empty bedrooms, a wall of masks, a dentist's chair, a chalkboard with cryptic words, and more. The release comes just days before the Justice Department's deadline to publish its Epstein files under a new law signed by President Donald Trump.
As Epstein's documents are released, the more questions and trouble Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor faces. Stripped of all titles, instructed to vacate the royal lodge, and under threat of private prosecution, if more incriminating materials are revealed, jail time could become a real possibility for the disgraced prince.
Reports suggest there is more evidence to be released of Windsor’s crimes with Epstein, but many believe those records will never be released.
Joining Nancy Grace:
- Andrea Lewis - Partner at Searcy Law in Pam Beach, Florida, Former Felony Prosecutor at Palm Beach County State Attorney's Office (where Epstein was prosecuted), and President of the Palm Beach County Bar Association
- Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst, Author: "Deal Breaker: When to work on a relationship and when to walk away” Also featured in hit show: "Paris in Love" on Peacock; Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, X: @DrBethanyLive
- Rob Shuter - Host: Naughty But Nice Podcast, Author of Newly-released Novel, “It Started With A Whisper," and Former Publicist of Sean Combs; IG: @naughtygossip
- Lynn Shaw - Founder and Executive Director of Lynn's Warriors - an organization committed to ending human trafficking and sexual exploitation, Host of Lynn's Warriors on YouTube; X: @lynns_warriors, YouTube: @LynnsWarriors
- Barry Levine - Author of “The Spider: Inside the Tangled Web of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell,” and Veteran Investigative Journalist and Editor in Print and Television
- Victoria Churchill - U.S. Political Reporter for DailyMail.com; Instagram & Facebook: VictoriaSnitsarChurchill
- Sydney Sumner- Investigative Reporter, ‘Crime Stories’
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Epstein's creepy dentist chair on his Lolita Island revealed. And
if that doesn't send a chill down your spine thinking
of those little girls in a dentist room on a
dentist chair on Lolita Island alone with Jeffrey Epstein the pedophile.
(00:28):
Another bombshell tonight as damning emails emerge, implicating everyone from
Prince Andrew all the way to high ups, wealthy successful
individuals within the d C stratosphere. I'm Nancy Grace, this
is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being
(00:50):
with us. Jeffrey Epstein, May Epstein rot in hell play
guilty to solicitation and procurement of the miners for sex
as young as twelve years old were flown to Lolita Island.
Will there finally be justice for Epstein victims?
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Well?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
The so called Transparency Act, the Epstein Files Transparency Act
has passed. But are there more delays and smoke screens?
Is it just a big hoax?
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Listen?
Speaker 4 (01:23):
The Epstein Files Transparency Act passes the House in a
nearly unanimous vote and heads straight to Trump's desk for approval.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
What did jenre Epstein mean the emails he said, you
knew about the girls.
Speaker 6 (01:36):
I know nothing about that.
Speaker 7 (01:37):
That we'd have been now seven long time ago.
Speaker 8 (01:39):
It's really what did he mean when you spent all
the time with Milklin, with the president of Harvard.
Speaker 9 (01:45):
You know that is Summers, Larry Summers.
Speaker 10 (01:49):
Whenever I say, has said all of the other people
they spend time us.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Yeah, okay, I don't like politics, but I can tell
you this much.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
If I know about Jeffrey Epstein stating that Trump knew
quote about the girls, that Trump knows about it.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
So that's deflection at its very best.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Victoria Churchill, joining US US political reporter for Dailymail dot com,
on the Epstein scandal. From the get go, it's more
than a scandal. This is about child molesstation on a
world wide scale. I want the perps behind jail, and
I don't care who they are.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Why is Trump lying about that? I don't know. It's
because he was friends with Jeffrey Epstein and he thinks
it tarnishes him or is it more? But he is right.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
People associated with JP Morgan, with Harvard appointees, within the
DC political circuit, they're all going down.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Marriages being destroyed.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
People leaving their jobs, resigning their positions because of Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Do I care? H double l and oh don't care.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I want the people that molested girls as young as
twelve years old behind bars like all the other criminals
that aren't rich and politically connected. What's happening. What's happening
with the release of the document's Victoria Churchill?
Speaker 11 (03:21):
Yeah, absolutely so. Congress passed, particularly on the House side
the Epstein files. Every single member of Congress except for
one voted for the legislation, and then it actually kind
of snuck its way through the Senate. They did a
legislative move called unanimous consent where they didn't actually kind
of vote on it by voice or by recorded vote.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
It just passed.
Speaker 11 (03:42):
Because it had passed so overwhelmingly in the House, Senate
Minority Leader Chuck Schumer was able to do that unanimous
consent provision and pass those that bill, sending it to
Trump's desk. Trump signed it. He signed it behind closed doors,
which I think is notable because this is somebody that
loves the signing ceremony in the Oval office. He loves
to bring people that are related to whatever legislation he's
(04:05):
signing in However, those Epstein victims did not get their
visit to the Oval Office, and so that's kind of
a contrast that we're seeing between the Oval Office versus
members of Congress. Of course, Rocana, the Democrat, Thomas Massey,
the Republican, were the leading people that led the charge
on this and then as well as Marjorie Taylor Green,
who has now announced that she's resigning after her very
(04:26):
public clashes with Trump over the last few months, particularly
on this issue. And so this legislation compelled the Department
of Justice to release the files. But some of this
footage that we're seeing now was actively preemptively released by
Democrats on the House Oversight Committee. And these files dropped,
of course, were made public, made national and international news
(04:48):
because people implicated in these files, knowingly implicated in these
files stretched not only in the US but.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Also in the UK.
Speaker 11 (04:57):
But one thing that I thought was notable is that
Thomas Massey during that last Epstein victims press conference that
happened right before the vote on Capitol Hill, Massey actually
said that the UK has done a better job dealing
with the people related to Epstein in these files. Of course,
notably Andrew and I will correct you, Nancy. He is
now no longer Prince Andrew because he's been stripped of
(05:18):
his title, and so.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
It's force of habit.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
It's very hard for me to call him by his
first name, Andrew.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
But you know, let me call on a brit to
answer up to that, and I will let doctor Bethany
Marshall drink in the interior. It's I call it low
Lee to Island where girls as young as twelve year
old were years old.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
We're ferried over for sex with Epstein.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
And his clients and friends made they all rot in hell,
the virginal white, the whole interior decorp. Bethany Marshall, just
drink that in I'm while I'm with Shooter, because that
tells me I'll lot and what do you see the
dentist's chair. But Rob Cheeter, I disagree vehemently with what
(06:06):
Victoria Churchill just said, just part of it. Rob Cheeter
is with me, hosts notughty but nice podcast. But he's
author of a brand new book and it is on
Amazon right now and it's selling out.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
It's great. I read it. It started with a whisper.
I guess you name that. But Rob Shooter the Brits
have done better than we have.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
That's crap.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Technical legal term may not be part of the British
legal system. Is Andrew still living rent free with servants, drivers,
a stable, all the perks is not working.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
They've done nothing with him.
Speaker 10 (06:47):
You're one hundred percent riot and you don't feel this alone.
The British public is outraged by this. This is a
really really big issue for the monarchy and they've got
to deal with this quickly. The problem they have is
that Andrew a seventy five year lease. It is an
iron clad lease on this palace called the Royal Lodge.
It's thirty rooms, and so he's.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Being kicked out of Royal Lodge even I know that.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
So what So he's been kicked out of one mansion
and he's moving to another. Don't care. And you can
just take.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Down that union jack behind you, okay, because we hear
the US are buying your book and supporting you.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
And there you are with a brit flag behind you.
Speaker 10 (07:27):
Nd see, I'm a person of the world. Many countries
can enjoy the book. It's started with a whisper, which
you are right, is an amazing book.
Speaker 9 (07:35):
So thank you for that.
Speaker 10 (07:36):
But Andrew back to Andrew. He's in this royal lodge
until he really wants to leave. It's a terrible embarrassment.
The King wants him out, the public wants him out.
He's digging in his heels, which is to me, once
again proving how tone Death, how clueless this man is.
He thinks he's special. He's gone away with him.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
I don't even know what you're saying, toned, clueless, Rob Shooter.
I don't care about tone Death. I care about the people.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
You know what. Let me go to Barry Levine.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
I'm getting nowhere with you, Rob, you're taking up for
your fellow Brits. Barry Levine is with us author of
a bestseller, The Spider Inside The Tangled Web of Jeffrey
Epstein and Julanne Maxwell. He is a veteran investigative journalist,
editor in both print and TV. I'd like to direct
your attention, Barry Levine to Jeffrey Epstein's dental chair.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Can I see the.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Interior of as I call it, Lolita Island? How many
little twelve year old girls do you think sat in
that chair? I don't even want to think about what
went on in that room.
Speaker 7 (08:48):
Well, Nancy, the room itself is creepy. You have all
of these masks of men on the walls. I can
tell you from the research I did for my book
this that Jeffrey Epstein set up that room for his girlfriend,
who was a dentist. She was from Belarus. He knew
(09:11):
her from her twenties. He put her through dental school,
and she would perform dental procedures in that room. What
else went on in that room we don't know, but
I can tell you that I would love to see
the House Oversight Committee speak to her about what she knew.
(09:33):
And I also want to point out very significantly that
she was the last person to speak to him alive.
Her lawyer told us for the book that she had
no indication he was planning on taking his life. But
this is a woman who was filled with secrets, who
had known Jeffrey Epstein for more than ten years, and
(09:55):
I would like to see her interviewed.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Bary Levane.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Let me have a tiny little lightning round with investigative reporter,
journalist and author Barry Levine.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
This is a yes, no. That's what lightning around means.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Isn't it true that Jeffrey Epstein arranged the transport of
girls as young as twelve years old from around the world,
the stands, all the stands, Turkey, France to Lolita Island.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Isn't that true?
Speaker 7 (10:27):
It's absolutely true. And when they arrived, he had them
dressed up in university and college sweatshirts to pretend that
these girls were in fact older, looking older, but in fact,
the people at the airport knew that they were young kids.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
And as of tonight, isn't it true, Barry Levine, that
none of the let me put it bluntly, John's the
men that were I'd like to say having sex, but
that's not accurate with underage children.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
That statutory rape.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Anything that they did, any penetration is statutory rape. Anything
else is child moless station which is also a felony.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
None of them have been brought to justice. Isn't that true? Levin?
Speaker 7 (11:15):
It's absolutely true, Nancy, and Representative Massey has told us
that there's twenty men that he's aware of that engaged
in Jeffrey Epstein's sex trafficking, and why these men have
not been brought to justice? To me, that's the number
one question that I hope the Epstein files will answer.
Why did these men get off Why do these men
(11:37):
not face any type of charges. We need to find out.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
You know what, I'm trying.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
But there's this little thing called Congress and the Oval
Office that seemed to be thwarting me. Joining me right
now is Lynn Shaw, Founder Executive director Lynn's Warriors, committed
to ending human trafficking and sexploitation of children.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
They know of twenty just off the top of their head.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
The one source nothing has been done is delay, delay, delay.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
This so called Transparency Act went down.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Nobody's in jail, nobody's name, nobody's being prosecuted. Girls as
young as twelve being ferried over to Lolita Island to
be looked over like they were pieces of candy and
a box of chocolates for old guys to molest. Nothing
has happened Land, Nothing.
Speaker 12 (12:33):
And I don't like saying this, Nancy. I don't think
we're really going to see anything happen. We've been talking
about this case, fighting for our victims and our survivors
for years now, and yes, we just had the the files.
You know, Transparency Act passed in November. But you know what,
there's a lot of silence on Capitol Hill. I just
(12:54):
got back from Capitol Hill, and I asked a lot
of questions, and nobody seems to be talking about it anymore.
I don't want to hear about we're gonna have more
files released, because these files just prove to us there's
nothing really new in them, or everything's redacted so you
can't see anything anyway. Our focus is on these victims
and their survivors, because all of this is again this
power and this wealth. We're talking about twelve year olds, okay, fourteen,
(13:17):
sixteen year olds, and.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Nothing is being done.
Speaker 12 (13:20):
So there is a major failure, a major roadblock, and
I really think we're just not going to ever get
to the bottom of this, bottom of this. I don't
like saying this at all.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Please don't say never. Please don't say never. Please.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I've got to have something to believe in.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
I've got to believe that there will. You believe justice.
Speaker 12 (13:39):
You believe in these brave women who have come forward,
who are demanding, who march on Capitol Hill, who have
gone to all the women's caucuses, They're going into all
the offices, and they are demanding justice, and that's what
we have hope for.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
To doctor Bethany Marshall, Psycho Alla is joining us out
of La author of deal Breaker. You can see her
on Peacock and find her a doctor Bethany Marshall dot
com Doctor Bethany. Back to the interior, there are about
one hundred and fifty photos and videos, and I would
like to see them. Did you see doctor Bethany the Virginal. Oh,
(14:13):
there's a massage room one of them. The Virginal white
interior of some of the rooms where the girls stayed.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
It almost looked like that girly furniture my sister and
I had it there.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
You go at some all white, kind of antique twite
with kind of a French twist to it for little girls,
and much of the interior decor is like that.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
It's disgusting, you know, Nancy.
Speaker 13 (14:45):
This is not just an island. This is a sex club. Okay,
So if you go inside in Los Angeles there's there
are a number of sex club swingers, sex clubs, nightclubs,
and usually they have various rooms or chambers. There could
be an underage room. There could be a dentist room
(15:05):
where somebody sits in the chair and the dentist comes
in and performs procedures. There could even be an obgyn
room where the woman lies back on a table, an
exam table, while the doctor comes in and examines her vasionally.
So these are all sex fantasies. This is not decor
(15:27):
that would go into some average home or a hotel
or something like this. This is this is the decor
that you see in sex clubs. And what's disturbing is
that this is an underage sex club. So what do
you how do you decorate an underage sex club. You
(15:48):
decorate it with furniture and decor that a twelve year
old would like, fluffy chairs, everything in white, something that
you could photograph for your Instagram. So this is one thing.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Doctor Bethory photos.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
I'm looking at this huge, gigantic kitchen, the beautiful exterior
that goes out to the ocean. It's a lavish, lavish
almost a castle set on an island. A lot of
these girls are underprivileged, Light Virginia Jifrei Wise and many others.
(16:28):
I'm sure they've never seen a home like this, Dr Bethany.
Speaker 13 (16:33):
So you know, we think about sex predators back in
the day saying, oh, you know, you want to put
my puppy, or here's some candy, little girl. This is
the the new age version of Candy and a puppy.
You give them a lavish setting on an island with politicians, actors, VIPs.
(16:56):
Tell them they're going to rub elbows with the rich
and and because of that they might become famous as well.
What is that That's enticing a minor, That's what they're doing.
He's enticing a minor with this particular scenario. But you
know what he's also doing. He's enticing other sex predators
to come to the island. So I think that's what's
(17:18):
so amazing about these photos and everything that's being released,
is we're going to see the other participants in these
scenarios who took place in this lavish sex club for
minors on an island. That's what we're seeing.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
I've never heard of statutory right described as a sex
club for miners, but you said that. I didn't, And
I'm going to have to ask Andrea Lewis, who is
a partner partner at the Sarcey Law Firm in Palm Beach, Florida,
where all of this first came to lit. When Epstein
was actually charged and convicted, got a slap on the risk. Basically,
(17:57):
he had a limo driver taking him wherever he wanted,
slept a few nights in the Palm Beach jail. But
did you know, Andrea, I want you to hear this,
and Andrew Lewis, thanks for being with us tonight, that the
documents that are going to be released under the Epstein
File Transparency Act, we the taxpayers have already paid nearly
(18:19):
one million dollars because there is a whole team one
thousand employees working overtime, five thousand dollars, five thousand hours
of overtime, one million dollars almost redacting names, redacting the
truth listen.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
The Transparency Act requires Attorney General Bondi to release the
remaining Epstein files by December nineteenth. Information can be redacted,
the identity of victims, child sexual abuse materials, it's national
security or ongoing investigation. Redactions must be disclosed to Congress
with the Attorney General's justifications for withholding.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
FBI Director Patel assigns one thousand employees to redact the
Epstein files, nearly five thousand hours of overtime. However, Bondie's
Phase one release in February contained just sixty one of
two hundred and twenty pages reviewed, seventy percent of the
overtime was approved in March, but only the raw MCC
surveillance footage was released before the DOJ's July statement there
(19:23):
was nothing else to see.
Speaker 7 (19:24):
Here's a money trail, more than one billion dollars in
money that Jeffrey Epstein sent out to conduct his sex trafficking.
The proof's in the pudding, and it's all there. It's
all the financial records.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Nearly one million dollars paid for five thousand hours of overtime,
one thousand employees. We're paying to redact the files. So
even though we're getting the files, we can't read them.
That's what the black sharpie is. You can't tell I've
redacted files myself.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Angie Lewis.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
You're a veteran trial lawyer, former felony prosecutor now with
the Cercy law firm Palm Beach.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Redaction is approved by the US Supreme Court.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
For instance, if I had two defendants that I was
trying together instead of severing their murder case, if one
named the other, I'd have to redact that out. Why
because the other may not take the stand and subject
themselves to cross examination. So you can't have interlocking confessions
where one defendant won't take the standing be cross examined.
(20:36):
There are many reasons, legitimate reasons for redacting. This is
not one of them.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
So suddenly we've.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Got another delay while all the minions are redacting the
truth out of the files.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
Nancy, you just hit the nail on the head. And
that is really really a critical problem here that I
think needs to be highlighted. Hearing the word transparency thrown around,
but is this really a transparent effort to get the
truth out? If you are redacting all of the critical,
(21:13):
critical relevant information, including names, financial information, and all of
the other information in there that could potentially to lead
to other pedophiles, other wrongdoers being put behind bars, how
does that help us? How does that further us getting
(21:34):
justice and trying to get justice for these survivors.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
It doesn't.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
And the issues that you just highlighted that are in
fact legitimate times when redactions would be used in trial.
The difference there is number one, there's a trial, there's
a purpose, there's a reason to be doing it. And
number two, in those circumstances, you have multiple eyes on them,
the defense and the you know, the prosecutors would all
(22:02):
agree as to what redactions need to be made.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Was just going to bring that up, Andrea.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
For every redaction that I did, the defense had to
know about it, for all the parties, the judge had
to know about it.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
The appellate courts knew about it.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
They had the whole record, including the non redacted documents.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
But here this is.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
All being done in secrecy by minions within the DJ
Department of Justice. I mean Barry Levine, author of The
Spider inside the Tangled Web of Jeffrey Epstein and Gallainne Maxwell.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Wait, do you see pictures I've.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Got of Gallaine Maxwell everywhere she goes at her let me,
I call it camp Bunny. It's for basically people with misdemeanors.
She has an umbrella to shield her face, she gets
puppy time, umbrella time, and is basically using the Chief
Warden as her personal assistant. I'll get to that later.
(22:57):
Barry Levine, what's being redacted? Break it down, give it
to me in a nutshell.
Speaker 7 (23:04):
Well, Nancy, first of all, they're redacting victims' names. They're
also redacting what they deem national security related to Jeffrey Epstein.
We don't really understand. Which is bs. I agree. They're
also redacting information that could be used in other investigation,
(23:28):
other investigations that they say there are ongoing. President Trump
demanded a new investigation related to Jeffrey Epstein for some
of his Democratic enemies, so it's quite possible that they're
redacting information related to those men. At the end of
the day, that is completely wrong. It's disgusting. We need
(23:50):
to get to the men who are involved in this.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
I wonder if their names are being redacted for national
security purposes well, and all of the redactions, they seemingly
left one redaction out the name of the victims.
Speaker 14 (24:05):
What are the next steps out of Attorney General for
the DOJ regarding the what we assume President Trump will
signed into law with the Epstein files. Is it going
to be on the Justice Department website? What are you
doing here over the next thirty days? As we understand it, we.
Speaker 15 (24:21):
Will continue to follow the law with maximum transparency while
protecting victims.
Speaker 16 (24:27):
The documents contain dozens of instances of unredacted victim names,
spreading panic among Epstein survivors. Attorneys representing victims file a
scathing motion with the federal judge demanding the DOJ improve
their review policy to prevent another release of potentially sensitive information.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
We were told there would be no new investigations, but
guess what there are?
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Listen Man, Attorney General.
Speaker 17 (24:54):
The DLJ statement earlier this year saying that the files
would not release mention the fact that the review of
the documents and the evidence did not suggest that any
additional investigation of third parties was warranted. What changed since
then that you launched this investigation?
Speaker 15 (25:13):
Information that has come for information. There's information that new information,
additional information.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
Days before signing the Transparency Act, Trump orders the DOJ
to investigate Epstein's ties to Bill Clinton, former Treasury Secretary
Larry Summers, and LinkedIn co founder Reid Hoffmann. Also a
full review of JP Morgan Chase's failure to report Epstein's
suspicious financial activities until after his death. These new investigations
may postpone or halt the release of any more Epstein files.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Victoria Churchill, political reporter for the Dailymail dot com. So victims'
names managed to be outed, many many more names have
been redacted, and now a new investigation is being launched
into political enemies that are named in these documents.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
What this is is.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
A delay new investigations mean a delay in releasing all
the documents.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
That's what's happening right now.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Do I really believe any of those people are going
to be prosecuted?
Speaker 3 (26:23):
No, I don't. This is another delay tactic.
Speaker 11 (26:29):
Yes, absolutely, you're completely right on that, Nancy. And this
was something that members of Congress, particularly Thomas Massey, who,
of course we've mentioned several times on the show today.
This is something he warned about, and this is something
that he was asked about because this was a reason
that Speaker Mike Johnson didn't support the discharge petition originally,
is that, you know, he wanted to protect the victims exactly.
(26:52):
And so what Massei had actually said about this on
Capitol Hill numerous times is he said that the DOJ
can't open enough investigations to keep all of these files shut.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Why do we still not have the Epstein files. Well,
there are a lot of theories out there.
Speaker 9 (27:09):
Listen, the Epstein files didn't just drop yesterday. They were
dragged out of a system that never wanted us to
see them. So ask yourself, what kind of a democracy
needs a discharge petition to expose a sex trafficking network?
The Epstein files dropped, but no client list, no flight laws,
and definitely no accountability. And the DOJ they might still
(27:33):
be holding the most critical documents, surveillance footage, internal memos,
names that connect the dots, and they've got cover ongoing investigations,
privacy laws pending review.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
That's from Jane's on point one on TikTok, Barry Levine,
he's right, you don't have to have an LM from
NYU to understand what's going on.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
The guy's right, danc.
Speaker 7 (28:02):
He's totally right. But the fact is is that part
of let discharge petition says that they can hold back
names of third parties who have not been charged, just
not to embarrass these men.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
And there's more.
Speaker 9 (28:18):
But let's be real. If this were anybody else, it'd
be public, dissect it and turn into a docu series
by now. But when it's billionaires and presidents, suddenly it's
all sealed and sacred. This isn't about conspiracy, it's about consistency.
Justice doesn't get to hide just because the names are expensive.
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Justice for survivors means full transparency, no exceptions, no delays,
and no deals.
Speaker 14 (28:45):
The cover up is so massive because if I was
being accused of anything like this. I would want everything
to come out to exonerate me, and he's not doing that.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
So let's see what happens.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
That was at James on Point one, TikTok and this
American mess TikTok. You know, when you have the public
speaking out so vehemently, how can DC afford to sit
back and do nothing? We know we're getting stonewalled now.
(29:16):
Political rivals are being investigated. Five thousand million hours of redaction,
A million dollars for minions to hide the truth.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
How long can they do it? Lynn Shaw? Who is hurting?
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Now?
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Are the victims?
Speaker 2 (29:33):
You think they care about third party investigations? About a
million dollars worth of reaction? These then girls, now women
are suffering for the rest of their lives ever what
was done to them on Lolita Island.
Speaker 12 (29:47):
Yeah, and here's the thinking behind the scenes that I've
been told. Delay is the way we'll keep kicking this
can down the road. We will exhaust the public, We'll
use everything in our power to not address this, and
everybody eventually will just go away. That's what they think.
But I'm here to say the group of survivor women
that are so strong that have come forward not only
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for themselves, but for all the women who have not
come forward. I remind everybody we're talking about children at
the time, sex trafficking rings and all this of miners.
Why is this such an issue? Why are they allowed
to get away with this?
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Well, of course, in the midst of all the accurate analysis,
you've got bizarre conspiracy theories emerging.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Listen.
Speaker 18 (30:33):
They don't want to release the Epstein files because Epstein
is not dead. You could not pay me enough money
to believe that that man was dead. He was too
valuable to the whole system. So instead of him riding
in prison, they faked his death and got him out
so he could continue to run everything that he was running.
There was no way, absolutely no way that the bigger
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powers that be, you know, the leaders of other countries,
we're gonna let him die.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
He's part too valuable.
Speaker 18 (31:04):
So someone has him in another location and he's still
running this whole thing. That's what they don't want to
come out. Obviously, the pedo and you know that kind
of stuff is just the tip of it.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
He's not dead.
Speaker 18 (31:22):
That's what they don't want out.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Got's making my head hurt.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
At Karma is a cat seventeen seventeen on TikTok Epstein's
did okay, So let's just start from there, okay, And
of course conspiracy cover up theories.
Speaker 19 (31:41):
They're not this dumb Trump, Bongino, Cashpitel Panbandi. They're not
this dumb. You don't get into those positions of power
by being stupid. And I say this because it's just
not sitting right with me. The film that they released
obviously edited, proven that it was edited, missing a minute
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of time. The whole cover up here is glaringly obviously
a cover up, and they're definitely lying. But I don't
know why they're lying. What's the angle.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
That is from at Brian WiFi?
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Why on TikTok to Sidney Sumner joining US investigative reporter
Crime Stories.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
At first he sounds a little crazy, but what he's
saying is not crazy.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
There was time there was a portion of the jail video.
I'd like to see it as we're talking about it,
the jail video the night Epstein was killed behind bars
that was missing.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
He's actually right, he is.
Speaker 20 (32:49):
And they had to eat their words.
Speaker 21 (32:51):
And re release that video with the missing minute two
months later, and all of this coming out with that statement,
So they were at least the surveillance footage that's obviously
edited with the statement that there's no more documents to see.
Speaker 20 (33:06):
Well, what did those five thousand hours of reaction go into,
because it's not possibly the two hundred and twenty pages
they reviewed and released back in March.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
And of course there's a never any stream of theories. Now,
I've got to say, Brian, why felt why was dead
on me?
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Listen to this.
Speaker 22 (33:28):
New polls are coming out that are showing nearly seventy
percent of Americans seven out of ten people believe that
the Epstein case is being covered up right now. It's
no longer a conspiracy theory anymore. It's a vast majority
of Americans saying, I don't trust what the government is
telling me right now. But can you really blame us though?
I mean Epstein died under the most questionable circumstances possible.
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I mean the guards were asleep, there's no surveillance footage,
and the client list is still sealed. The fact that
Republicans and Democrats are uniting on this issue should absolutely
tear the elites.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Actually he's not crazy either, that's at Devin Politics on Tiktoki.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
To Andrea Lewis joining US partner Circe Law Firm Palm Beach,
where the whole thing started when Epstein was convicted but
got a baby sentence for it.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Andrea, I recall a big drug case.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Well, it was a triple homicide that was connected to
a drug case. A triple homicide, it was very difficult
to prove, very difficult. Near the end of the case,
I found out the FEDS had surveillance that they would
not give me because it was part of a bigger
drug scenario. I'm talking about a drug lord from Columbia
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was part of this. It was so much bigger than
my triple homicide case, and I really wrestled with that.
At the end of the day, Andrea, all I could
do was what I could do. I prosecuted the three
murders and got convictions. And here all of this vast network,
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this worldwide scheme, the politics, the Oval Office, the Democrats,
the Republicans.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
I know one thing. These men need to be prosecuted,
and I want their names. That's what I know is true. Nancy.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
We need that information, and I think it's important for
each one of us to keep our eye on the
ball and to continue to demand it so that we
can get justice for these survivors. And what has been
constantly talked about in the media, and you've done an
excellent job of highlighting it and keeping it in the headlines,
(35:46):
is what is the cost of the secrecy that the
government is continuing to insist upon. Well, it's this lack
of transparency causes it distrust within the public, It causes
conspiracy theories. It allows the people who are enablers and
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predators to have time to cover their tracks. Meanwhile, anybody
in these powerful positions have to do is say enough
is enough, release the names, release the information the public
deserves to know.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
And that is not happening.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Will we finally get the documents necessary to create that
client list?
Speaker 3 (36:28):
The judges should release those documents.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Depositions, filings, nations, subpoenas, efidavits.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
This is what the public wants to see.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
We're talking about serious investigative materials that then function as evidence.
Rob Shooter or Congress is calling on Andrew Windsor aka
Prince Andrew, to fly over at our expense to testify
about what he knows regarding Epstein.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
Listen a congressional letter invites Windsor to testify about Epstein's crime.
It appears Windsor has no desire to clear his name,
refusing to comment on Epstein's financial records containing notations such
as massage for Andrew.
Speaker 16 (37:09):
As Windsor remained silent amid a renewed push for the
former royal to come clean. Victim's now calling for the
rest of his family to answer for him. Marina Leserda
says it's time for Sarah Ferguson and Princess's Beatrice and
Eugenie to come forward. Andrew publicly used his daughters as
an alibi.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
The more documents are released, the more trouble. Windsor could face,
stripped of all titles, told to vacate the Royal Lodge,
and under threat of private prosecution. Jail time could be
a real possibility. Experts believe there is more documentation of
Windsor's crimes with Epstein, there's a real danger those records
will still not see the light of day.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Why is he being treated differently than everyone else. He's
refusing to come and speak to Congress.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Why because he's got a lot to hide?
Speaker 10 (37:56):
Rob Shooter, Yeah, absolutely right. Nancy Andrew's looking do this.
He's made it very clear he's not going to voluntarily
do this. So now it's time for us to make
him do it. It's time for King Charles, it's time
for the Royal family. It's time for the British government
to absolutely hand him over. He's not going to go willingly.
We've got to hand him over. And until we stand
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up and do that, he's going to continue to hide,
to get away, to slink in the shadows. And so
I think it's time now, Nancy, that Britain has to
step up. The Palace has to step up, his children
has to step up and say here he is, we
have to hand him over.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
We know that Prince Andrew is now trying to reunite
with his ex wife, Sarah Ferguson, who has lived with
him throughout the years. I don't think they're both going
to fit into his new abode. However, we have arrangements
for both of them. They're called the Big House and
the Big Dollhouse. They can live separately for a while.
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More people are ending up as casualties to Epstein. That
would be Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie. They are going to
have their title stripped. It's seemingly only a matter of time.
They are now turning down invitations from the royal family.
They're torn between standing by their dad. So far they've
remained unscathed. What is in their future as a result
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of all this.
Speaker 10 (39:22):
Their future Nancy is in the hands of their very
shady father. If Andrew can't do this for himself, and
he clearly can't, and he can't do it for the victims,
which is who he should really be doing it for,
do it for your kids. The only way these two
princesses have a future in Britain, have a future in
society is if their dad does the right thing. Now,
(39:45):
we should point out historically this is a man who
has always done the wrong thing. So I'm not holding
my breath here and I fear that the children will
be punished, although I should say here they have had
an extraordinary life because of their father, and so when
we say they did nothing wrong, maybe, but the life
they live is because of their privilege. Should that continue
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now that we know the truth about their dad. That's
a debate that people are having. I don't want to
punish children for their parents' crimes, but they're part of this.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
They're part of this story, so they're casualties. Sarah Ferguson
Grifter is a casualty. But now Fergie and Andrew are
launching a rebrand, what is that?
Speaker 10 (40:36):
It is complete stupidity. It is a couple that thinks
they have a future and all that they have that's
a problem, is a pr problem, and it's not. This
is much much deeper. This is unfixable as long as
Andrew does not come forward and tell the truth. And
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if he does tell the truth, we know what that truth.
So that is not flexible here. Any attempt to rebrand
themselves to have a new image, as if they're putting
out a new pop album, as if they're Taylor Swift
of Madonna will not work. This story is going to
stick to them for the rest of their lives and
potentially their children too well.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
One more issue regarding them is I don't believe without
Virginia Giffrey alive any longer to testify it against Andrew.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
That may be a dead end, But what about the.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Possibility Robshooter that Andrew can be prosecuted for misuse of
his position and misuse of the met The Metropolitan Police
and or Scotland yard.
Speaker 10 (41:38):
Yeah, I think both are very very much a serious
issue for him. If he indeed encouraged demanded his security
to dig up dirt on victims, that's a very serious crime.
Plus we've got to remember too, Andrew's finances are very dodgy.
Nobody really knows where his money comes from. The Royal
family do not like to talk about money. They don't
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pay taxes on all their income. There's lots of loopholes here.
Andrew has opened up a kettle of fish now for
all the Royals because now people are wondering, how is
he paying, what is he doing for a living, how
does he have all this money? And so the investigations
into Andrew are just beginning. That they're far from over.
Speaker 8 (42:17):
And I do not remember anything. I can't have racked
my brain, that's me. But whether that's my hand or
whether that's the position, but I don't. I have simply
no recollection of a photograph ever being.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
Taken from our friends at BBC. We still believe in justice.
We still believe, even if it is naively so, that
there will be a vernic that speaks to the truth
if we don't give up. If you know or think
you know anything that could help this case. Called the
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National Human Trafficking tip Line eight eight three seven three
an eight eight eight repeat eight eight eight three seven
three seven eight eight eight. We remember an American Hero,
Detective Timothy Jones Park Forest PD, Illinois, shot in the
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line of duty, leaving behind grieving parents.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
Had only been on the force less than a year.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
American Hero detected Timothy Jokes. Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend.
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Epstein's creepy dentist chair on his Lolita Island revealed. And
if that doesn't send a chill down your spine thinking
of those little girls in a dentist room on a
dentist chair on Lolita Island alone with Jeffrey Epstein the pedophile.
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Another bombshell tonight as damning emails emerge, implicating everyone from
Prince Andrew all the way to high ups, wealthy successful
individuals within the d C stratosphere. I'm Nancy Grace, this
is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being
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with us. Jeffrey Epstein, May Epstein rot in hell play
guilty to solicitation and procurement of the miners for sex
as young as twelve years old were flown to Lolita Island.
Will there finally be justice for Epstein victims?
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Well?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
The so called Transparency Act, the Epstein Files Transparency Act
has passed. But are there more delays and smoke screens?
Is it just a big hoax?
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Listen?
Speaker 4 (01:23):
The Epstein Files Transparency Act passes the House in a
nearly unanimous vote and heads straight to Trump's desk for approval.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
What did jenre Epstein mean the emails he said, you
knew about the girls.
Speaker 6 (01:36):
I know nothing about that.
Speaker 7 (01:37):
That we'd have been now seven long time ago.
Speaker 8 (01:39):
It's really what did he mean when you spent all
the time with Milklin, with the president of Harvard.
Speaker 9 (01:45):
You know that is Summers, Larry Summers.
Speaker 10 (01:49):
Whenever I say, has said all of the other people
they spend time us.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Yeah, okay, I don't like politics, but I can tell
you this much.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
If I know about Jeffrey Epstein stating that Trump knew
quote about the girls, that Trump knows about it.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
So that's deflection at its very best.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Victoria Churchill, joining US US political reporter for Dailymail dot com,
on the Epstein scandal. From the get go, it's more
than a scandal. This is about child molesstation on a
world wide scale. I want the perps behind jail, and
I don't care who they are.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Why is Trump lying about that? I don't know. It's
because he was friends with Jeffrey Epstein and he thinks
it tarnishes him or is it more? But he is right.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
People associated with JP Morgan, with Harvard appointees, within the
DC political circuit, they're all going down.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Marriages being destroyed.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
People leaving their jobs, resigning their positions because of Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Do I care? H double l and oh don't care.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I want the people that molested girls as young as
twelve years old behind bars like all the other criminals
that aren't rich and politically connected. What's happening. What's happening
with the release of the document's Victoria Churchill?
Speaker 11 (03:21):
Yeah, absolutely so. Congress passed, particularly on the House side
the Epstein files. Every single member of Congress except for
one voted for the legislation, and then it actually kind
of snuck its way through the Senate. They did a
legislative move called unanimous consent where they didn't actually kind
of vote on it by voice or by recorded vote.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
It just passed.
Speaker 11 (03:42):
Because it had passed so overwhelmingly in the House, Senate
Minority Leader Chuck Schumer was able to do that unanimous
consent provision and pass those that bill, sending it to
Trump's desk. Trump signed it. He signed it behind closed doors,
which I think is notable because this is somebody that
loves the signing ceremony in the Oval office. He loves
to bring people that are related to whatever legislation he's
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signing in However, those Epstein victims did not get their
visit to the Oval Office, and so that's kind of
a contrast that we're seeing between the Oval Office versus
members of Congress. Of course, Rocana, the Democrat, Thomas Massey,
the Republican, were the leading people that led the charge
on this and then as well as Marjorie Taylor Green,
who has now announced that she's resigning after her very
(04:26):
public clashes with Trump over the last few months, particularly
on this issue. And so this legislation compelled the Department
of Justice to release the files. But some of this
footage that we're seeing now was actively preemptively released by
Democrats on the House Oversight Committee. And these files dropped,
of course, were made public, made national and international news
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because people implicated in these files, knowingly implicated in these
files stretched not only in the US but.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Also in the UK.
Speaker 11 (04:57):
But one thing that I thought was notable is that
Thomas Massey during that last Epstein victims press conference that
happened right before the vote on Capitol Hill, Massey actually
said that the UK has done a better job dealing
with the people related to Epstein in these files. Of course,
notably Andrew and I will correct you, Nancy. He is
now no longer Prince Andrew because he's been stripped of
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his title, and so.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
It's force of habit.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
It's very hard for me to call him by his
first name, Andrew.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
But you know, let me call on a brit to
answer up to that, and I will let doctor Bethany
Marshall drink in the interior. It's I call it low
Lee to Island where girls as young as twelve year
old were years old.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
We're ferried over for sex with Epstein.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
And his clients and friends made they all rot in hell,
the virginal white, the whole interior decorp. Bethany Marshall, just
drink that in I'm while I'm with Shooter, because that
tells me I'll lot and what do you see the
dentist's chair. But Rob Cheeter, I disagree vehemently with what
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Victoria Churchill just said, just part of it. Rob Cheeter
is with me, hosts notughty but nice podcast. But he's
author of a brand new book and it is on
Amazon right now and it's selling out.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
It's great. I read it. It started with a whisper.
I guess you name that. But Rob Shooter the Brits
have done better than we have.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
That's crap.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Technical legal term may not be part of the British
legal system. Is Andrew still living rent free with servants, drivers,
a stable, all the perks is not working.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
They've done nothing with him.
Speaker 10 (06:47):
You're one hundred percent riot and you don't feel this alone.
The British public is outraged by this. This is a
really really big issue for the monarchy and they've got
to deal with this quickly. The problem they have is
that Andrew a seventy five year lease. It is an
iron clad lease on this palace called the Royal Lodge.
It's thirty rooms, and so he's.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Being kicked out of Royal Lodge even I know that.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
So what So he's been kicked out of one mansion
and he's moving to another. Don't care. And you can
just take.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Down that union jack behind you, okay, because we hear
the US are buying your book and supporting you.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
And there you are with a brit flag behind you.
Speaker 10 (07:27):
Nd see, I'm a person of the world. Many countries
can enjoy the book. It's started with a whisper, which
you are right, is an amazing book.
Speaker 9 (07:35):
So thank you for that.
Speaker 10 (07:36):
But Andrew back to Andrew. He's in this royal lodge
until he really wants to leave. It's a terrible embarrassment.
The King wants him out, the public wants him out.
He's digging in his heels, which is to me, once
again proving how tone Death, how clueless this man is.
He thinks he's special. He's gone away with him.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
I don't even know what you're saying, toned, clueless, Rob Shooter.
I don't care about tone Death. I care about the people.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
You know what. Let me go to Barry Levine.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
I'm getting nowhere with you, Rob, you're taking up for
your fellow Brits. Barry Levine is with us author of
a bestseller, The Spider Inside The Tangled Web of Jeffrey
Epstein and Julanne Maxwell. He is a veteran investigative journalist,
editor in both print and TV. I'd like to direct
your attention, Barry Levine to Jeffrey Epstein's dental chair.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Can I see the.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Interior of as I call it, Lolita Island? How many
little twelve year old girls do you think sat in
that chair? I don't even want to think about what
went on in that room.
Speaker 7 (08:48):
Well, Nancy, the room itself is creepy. You have all
of these masks of men on the walls. I can
tell you from the research I did for my book
this that Jeffrey Epstein set up that room for his girlfriend,
who was a dentist. She was from Belarus. He knew
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her from her twenties. He put her through dental school,
and she would perform dental procedures in that room. What
else went on in that room we don't know, but
I can tell you that I would love to see
the House Oversight Committee speak to her about what she knew.
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And I also want to point out very significantly that
she was the last person to speak to him alive.
Her lawyer told us for the book that she had
no indication he was planning on taking his life. But
this is a woman who was filled with secrets, who
had known Jeffrey Epstein for more than ten years, and
(09:55):
I would like to see her interviewed.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Bary Levane.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Let me have a tiny little lightning round with investigative reporter,
journalist and author Barry Levine.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
This is a yes, no. That's what lightning around means.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Isn't it true that Jeffrey Epstein arranged the transport of
girls as young as twelve years old from around the world,
the stands, all the stands, Turkey, France to Lolita Island.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Isn't that true?
Speaker 7 (10:27):
It's absolutely true. And when they arrived, he had them
dressed up in university and college sweatshirts to pretend that
these girls were in fact older, looking older, but in fact,
the people at the airport knew that they were young kids.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
And as of tonight, isn't it true, Barry Levine, that
none of the let me put it bluntly, John's the
men that were I'd like to say having sex, but
that's not accurate with underage children.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
That statutory rape.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Anything that they did, any penetration is statutory rape. Anything
else is child moless station which is also a felony.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
None of them have been brought to justice. Isn't that true? Levin?
Speaker 7 (11:15):
It's absolutely true, Nancy, and Representative Massey has told us
that there's twenty men that he's aware of that engaged
in Jeffrey Epstein's sex trafficking, and why these men have
not been brought to justice? To me, that's the number
one question that I hope the Epstein files will answer.
Why did these men get off Why do these men
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not face any type of charges. We need to find out.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
You know what, I'm trying.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
But there's this little thing called Congress and the Oval
Office that seemed to be thwarting me. Joining me right
now is Lynn Shaw, Founder Executive director Lynn's Warriors, committed
to ending human trafficking and sexploitation of children.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
They know of twenty just off the top of their head.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
The one source nothing has been done is delay, delay, delay.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
This so called Transparency Act went down.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Nobody's in jail, nobody's name, nobody's being prosecuted. Girls as
young as twelve being ferried over to Lolita Island to
be looked over like they were pieces of candy and
a box of chocolates for old guys to molest. Nothing
has happened Land, Nothing.
Speaker 12 (12:33):
And I don't like saying this, Nancy. I don't think
we're really going to see anything happen. We've been talking
about this case, fighting for our victims and our survivors
for years now, and yes, we just had the the files.
You know, Transparency Act passed in November. But you know what,
there's a lot of silence on Capitol Hill. I just
(12:54):
got back from Capitol Hill, and I asked a lot
of questions, and nobody seems to be talking about it anymore.
I don't want to hear about we're gonna have more
files released, because these files just prove to us there's
nothing really new in them, or everything's redacted so you
can't see anything anyway. Our focus is on these victims
and their survivors, because all of this is again this
power and this wealth. We're talking about twelve year olds, okay, fourteen,
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sixteen year olds, and.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Nothing is being done.
Speaker 12 (13:20):
So there is a major failure, a major roadblock, and
I really think we're just not going to ever get
to the bottom of this, bottom of this. I don't
like saying this at all.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Please don't say never. Please don't say never. Please.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I've got to have something to believe in.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
I've got to believe that there will. You believe justice.
Speaker 12 (13:39):
You believe in these brave women who have come forward,
who are demanding, who march on Capitol Hill, who have
gone to all the women's caucuses, They're going into all
the offices, and they are demanding justice, and that's what
we have hope for.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
To doctor Bethany Marshall, Psycho Alla is joining us out
of La author of deal Breaker. You can see her
on Peacock and find her a doctor Bethany Marshall dot
com Doctor Bethany. Back to the interior, there are about
one hundred and fifty photos and videos, and I would
like to see them. Did you see doctor Bethany the Virginal. Oh,
(14:13):
there's a massage room one of them. The Virginal white
interior of some of the rooms where the girls stayed.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
It almost looked like that girly furniture my sister and
I had it there.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
You go at some all white, kind of antique twite
with kind of a French twist to it for little girls,
and much of the interior decor is like that.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
It's disgusting, you know, Nancy.
Speaker 13 (14:45):
This is not just an island. This is a sex club. Okay,
So if you go inside in Los Angeles there's there
are a number of sex club swingers, sex clubs, nightclubs,
and usually they have various rooms or chambers. There could
be an underage room. There could be a dentist room
(15:05):
where somebody sits in the chair and the dentist comes
in and performs procedures. There could even be an obgyn
room where the woman lies back on a table, an
exam table, while the doctor comes in and examines her vasionally.
So these are all sex fantasies. This is not decor
(15:27):
that would go into some average home or a hotel
or something like this. This is this is the decor
that you see in sex clubs. And what's disturbing is
that this is an underage sex club. So what do
you how do you decorate an underage sex club. You
(15:48):
decorate it with furniture and decor that a twelve year
old would like, fluffy chairs, everything in white, something that
you could photograph for your Instagram. So this is one thing.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Doctor Bethory photos.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
I'm looking at this huge, gigantic kitchen, the beautiful exterior
that goes out to the ocean. It's a lavish, lavish
almost a castle set on an island. A lot of
these girls are underprivileged, Light Virginia Jifrei Wise and many others.
(16:28):
I'm sure they've never seen a home like this, Dr Bethany.
Speaker 13 (16:33):
So you know, we think about sex predators back in
the day saying, oh, you know, you want to put
my puppy, or here's some candy, little girl. This is
the the new age version of Candy and a puppy.
You give them a lavish setting on an island with politicians, actors, VIPs.
(16:56):
Tell them they're going to rub elbows with the rich
and and because of that they might become famous as well.
What is that That's enticing a minor, That's what they're doing.
He's enticing a minor with this particular scenario. But you
know what he's also doing. He's enticing other sex predators
to come to the island. So I think that's what's
(17:18):
so amazing about these photos and everything that's being released,
is we're going to see the other participants in these
scenarios who took place in this lavish sex club for
minors on an island. That's what we're seeing.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
I've never heard of statutory right described as a sex
club for miners, but you said that. I didn't, And
I'm going to have to ask Andrea Lewis, who is
a partner partner at the Sarcey Law Firm in Palm Beach, Florida,
where all of this first came to lit. When Epstein
was actually charged and convicted, got a slap on the risk. Basically,
(17:57):
he had a limo driver taking him wherever he wanted,
slept a few nights in the Palm Beach jail. But
did you know, Andrea, I want you to hear this,
and Andrew Lewis, thanks for being with us tonight, that the
documents that are going to be released under the Epstein
File Transparency Act, we the taxpayers have already paid nearly
(18:19):
one million dollars because there is a whole team one
thousand employees working overtime, five thousand dollars, five thousand hours
of overtime, one million dollars almost redacting names, redacting the
truth listen.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
The Transparency Act requires Attorney General Bondi to release the
remaining Epstein files by December nineteenth. Information can be redacted,
the identity of victims, child sexual abuse materials, it's national
security or ongoing investigation. Redactions must be disclosed to Congress
with the Attorney General's justifications for withholding.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
FBI Director Patel assigns one thousand employees to redact the
Epstein files, nearly five thousand hours of overtime. However, Bondie's
Phase one release in February contained just sixty one of
two hundred and twenty pages reviewed, seventy percent of the
overtime was approved in March, but only the raw MCC
surveillance footage was released before the DOJ's July statement there
(19:23):
was nothing else to see.
Speaker 7 (19:24):
Here's a money trail, more than one billion dollars in
money that Jeffrey Epstein sent out to conduct his sex trafficking.
The proof's in the pudding, and it's all there. It's
all the financial records.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Nearly one million dollars paid for five thousand hours of overtime,
one thousand employees. We're paying to redact the files. So
even though we're getting the files, we can't read them.
That's what the black sharpie is. You can't tell I've
redacted files myself.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Angie Lewis.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
You're a veteran trial lawyer, former felony prosecutor now with
the Cercy law firm Palm Beach.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Redaction is approved by the US Supreme Court.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
For instance, if I had two defendants that I was
trying together instead of severing their murder case, if one
named the other, I'd have to redact that out. Why
because the other may not take the stand and subject
themselves to cross examination. So you can't have interlocking confessions
where one defendant won't take the standing be cross examined.
(20:36):
There are many reasons, legitimate reasons for redacting. This is
not one of them.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
So suddenly we've.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Got another delay while all the minions are redacting the
truth out of the files.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
Nancy, you just hit the nail on the head. And
that is really really a critical problem here that I
think needs to be highlighted. Hearing the word transparency thrown around,
but is this really a transparent effort to get the
truth out? If you are redacting all of the critical,
(21:13):
critical relevant information, including names, financial information, and all of
the other information in there that could potentially to lead
to other pedophiles, other wrongdoers being put behind bars, how
does that help us? How does that further us getting
(21:34):
justice and trying to get justice for these survivors.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
It doesn't.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
And the issues that you just highlighted that are in
fact legitimate times when redactions would be used in trial.
The difference there is number one, there's a trial, there's
a purpose, there's a reason to be doing it. And
number two, in those circumstances, you have multiple eyes on them,
the defense and the you know, the prosecutors would all
(22:02):
agree as to what redactions need to be made.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Was just going to bring that up, Andrea.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
For every redaction that I did, the defense had to
know about it, for all the parties, the judge had
to know about it.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
The appellate courts knew about it.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
They had the whole record, including the non redacted documents.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
But here this is.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
All being done in secrecy by minions within the DJ
Department of Justice. I mean Barry Levine, author of The
Spider inside the Tangled Web of Jeffrey Epstein and Gallainne Maxwell.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Wait, do you see pictures I've.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Got of Gallaine Maxwell everywhere she goes at her let me,
I call it camp Bunny. It's for basically people with misdemeanors.
She has an umbrella to shield her face, she gets
puppy time, umbrella time, and is basically using the Chief
Warden as her personal assistant. I'll get to that later.
(22:57):
Barry Levine, what's being redacted? Break it down, give it
to me in a nutshell.
Speaker 7 (23:04):
Well, Nancy, first of all, they're redacting victims' names. They're
also redacting what they deem national security related to Jeffrey Epstein.
We don't really understand. Which is bs. I agree. They're
also redacting information that could be used in other investigation,
(23:28):
other investigations that they say there are ongoing. President Trump
demanded a new investigation related to Jeffrey Epstein for some
of his Democratic enemies, so it's quite possible that they're
redacting information related to those men. At the end of
the day, that is completely wrong. It's disgusting. We need
(23:50):
to get to the men who are involved in this.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
I wonder if their names are being redacted for national
security purposes well, and all of the redactions, they seemingly
left one redaction out the name of the victims.
Speaker 14 (24:05):
What are the next steps out of Attorney General for
the DOJ regarding the what we assume President Trump will
signed into law with the Epstein files. Is it going
to be on the Justice Department website? What are you
doing here over the next thirty days? As we understand it, we.
Speaker 15 (24:21):
Will continue to follow the law with maximum transparency while
protecting victims.
Speaker 16 (24:27):
The documents contain dozens of instances of unredacted victim names,
spreading panic among Epstein survivors. Attorneys representing victims file a
scathing motion with the federal judge demanding the DOJ improve
their review policy to prevent another release of potentially sensitive information.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
We were told there would be no new investigations, but
guess what there are?
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Listen Man, Attorney General.
Speaker 17 (24:54):
The DLJ statement earlier this year saying that the files
would not release mention the fact that the review of
the documents and the evidence did not suggest that any
additional investigation of third parties was warranted. What changed since
then that you launched this investigation?
Speaker 15 (25:13):
Information that has come for information. There's information that new information,
additional information.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
Days before signing the Transparency Act, Trump orders the DOJ
to investigate Epstein's ties to Bill Clinton, former Treasury Secretary
Larry Summers, and LinkedIn co founder Reid Hoffmann. Also a
full review of JP Morgan Chase's failure to report Epstein's
suspicious financial activities until after his death. These new investigations
may postpone or halt the release of any more Epstein files.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Victoria Churchill, political reporter for the Dailymail dot com. So victims'
names managed to be outed, many many more names have
been redacted, and now a new investigation is being launched
into political enemies that are named in these documents.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
What this is is.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
A delay new investigations mean a delay in releasing all
the documents.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
That's what's happening right now.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Do I really believe any of those people are going
to be prosecuted?
Speaker 3 (26:23):
No, I don't. This is another delay tactic.
Speaker 11 (26:29):
Yes, absolutely, you're completely right on that, Nancy. And this
was something that members of Congress, particularly Thomas Massey, who,
of course we've mentioned several times on the show today.
This is something he warned about, and this is something
that he was asked about because this was a reason
that Speaker Mike Johnson didn't support the discharge petition originally,
is that, you know, he wanted to protect the victims exactly.
(26:52):
And so what Massei had actually said about this on
Capitol Hill numerous times is he said that the DOJ
can't open enough investigations to keep all of these files shut.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Why do we still not have the Epstein files. Well,
there are a lot of theories out there.
Speaker 9 (27:09):
Listen, the Epstein files didn't just drop yesterday. They were
dragged out of a system that never wanted us to
see them. So ask yourself, what kind of a democracy
needs a discharge petition to expose a sex trafficking network?
The Epstein files dropped, but no client list, no flight laws,
and definitely no accountability. And the DOJ they might still
(27:33):
be holding the most critical documents, surveillance footage, internal memos,
names that connect the dots, and they've got cover ongoing investigations,
privacy laws pending review.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
That's from Jane's on point one on TikTok, Barry Levine,
he's right, you don't have to have an LM from
NYU to understand what's going on.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
The guy's right, danc.
Speaker 7 (28:02):
He's totally right. But the fact is is that part
of let discharge petition says that they can hold back
names of third parties who have not been charged, just
not to embarrass these men.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
And there's more.
Speaker 9 (28:18):
But let's be real. If this were anybody else, it'd
be public, dissect it and turn into a docu series
by now. But when it's billionaires and presidents, suddenly it's
all sealed and sacred. This isn't about conspiracy, it's about consistency.
Justice doesn't get to hide just because the names are expensive.
(28:38):
Justice for survivors means full transparency, no exceptions, no delays,
and no deals.
Speaker 14 (28:45):
The cover up is so massive because if I was
being accused of anything like this. I would want everything
to come out to exonerate me, and he's not doing that.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
So let's see what happens.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
That was at James on Point one, TikTok and this
American mess TikTok. You know, when you have the public
speaking out so vehemently, how can DC afford to sit
back and do nothing? We know we're getting stonewalled now.
(29:16):
Political rivals are being investigated. Five thousand million hours of redaction,
A million dollars for minions to hide the truth.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
How long can they do it? Lynn Shaw? Who is hurting?
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Now?
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Are the victims?
Speaker 2 (29:33):
You think they care about third party investigations? About a
million dollars worth of reaction? These then girls, now women
are suffering for the rest of their lives ever what
was done to them on Lolita Island.
Speaker 12 (29:47):
Yeah, and here's the thinking behind the scenes that I've
been told. Delay is the way we'll keep kicking this
can down the road. We will exhaust the public, We'll
use everything in our power to not address this, and
everybody eventually will just go away. That's what they think.
But I'm here to say the group of survivor women
that are so strong that have come forward not only
(30:09):
for themselves, but for all the women who have not
come forward. I remind everybody we're talking about children at
the time, sex trafficking rings and all this of miners.
Why is this such an issue? Why are they allowed
to get away with this?
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Well, of course, in the midst of all the accurate analysis,
you've got bizarre conspiracy theories emerging.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Listen.
Speaker 18 (30:33):
They don't want to release the Epstein files because Epstein
is not dead. You could not pay me enough money
to believe that that man was dead. He was too
valuable to the whole system. So instead of him riding
in prison, they faked his death and got him out
so he could continue to run everything that he was running.
There was no way, absolutely no way that the bigger
(30:56):
powers that be, you know, the leaders of other countries,
we're gonna let him die.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
He's part too valuable.
Speaker 18 (31:04):
So someone has him in another location and he's still
running this whole thing. That's what they don't want to
come out. Obviously, the pedo and you know that kind
of stuff is just the tip of it.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
He's not dead.
Speaker 18 (31:22):
That's what they don't want out.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Got's making my head hurt.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
At Karma is a cat seventeen seventeen on TikTok Epstein's
did okay, So let's just start from there, okay, And
of course conspiracy cover up theories.
Speaker 19 (31:41):
They're not this dumb Trump, Bongino, Cashpitel Panbandi. They're not
this dumb. You don't get into those positions of power
by being stupid. And I say this because it's just
not sitting right with me. The film that they released
obviously edited, proven that it was edited, missing a minute
(32:04):
of time. The whole cover up here is glaringly obviously
a cover up, and they're definitely lying. But I don't
know why they're lying. What's the angle.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
That is from at Brian WiFi?
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Why on TikTok to Sidney Sumner joining US investigative reporter
Crime Stories.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
At first he sounds a little crazy, but what he's
saying is not crazy.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
There was time there was a portion of the jail video.
I'd like to see it as we're talking about it,
the jail video the night Epstein was killed behind bars
that was missing.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
He's actually right, he is.
Speaker 20 (32:49):
And they had to eat their words.
Speaker 21 (32:51):
And re release that video with the missing minute two
months later, and all of this coming out with that statement,
So they were at least the surveillance footage that's obviously
edited with the statement that there's no more documents to see.
Speaker 20 (33:06):
Well, what did those five thousand hours of reaction go into,
because it's not possibly the two hundred and twenty pages
they reviewed and released back in March.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
And of course there's a never any stream of theories. Now,
I've got to say, Brian, why felt why was dead
on me?
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Listen to this.
Speaker 22 (33:28):
New polls are coming out that are showing nearly seventy
percent of Americans seven out of ten people believe that
the Epstein case is being covered up right now. It's
no longer a conspiracy theory anymore. It's a vast majority
of Americans saying, I don't trust what the government is
telling me right now. But can you really blame us though?
I mean Epstein died under the most questionable circumstances possible.
(33:49):
I mean the guards were asleep, there's no surveillance footage,
and the client list is still sealed. The fact that
Republicans and Democrats are uniting on this issue should absolutely
tear the elites.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Actually he's not crazy either, that's at Devin Politics on Tiktoki.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
To Andrea Lewis joining US partner Circe Law Firm Palm Beach,
where the whole thing started when Epstein was convicted but
got a baby sentence for it.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Andrea, I recall a big drug case.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Well, it was a triple homicide that was connected to
a drug case. A triple homicide, it was very difficult
to prove, very difficult. Near the end of the case,
I found out the FEDS had surveillance that they would
not give me because it was part of a bigger
drug scenario. I'm talking about a drug lord from Columbia
(34:51):
was part of this. It was so much bigger than
my triple homicide case, and I really wrestled with that.
At the end of the day, Andrea, all I could
do was what I could do. I prosecuted the three
murders and got convictions. And here all of this vast network,
(35:11):
this worldwide scheme, the politics, the Oval Office, the Democrats,
the Republicans.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
I know one thing. These men need to be prosecuted,
and I want their names. That's what I know is true. Nancy.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
We need that information, and I think it's important for
each one of us to keep our eye on the
ball and to continue to demand it so that we
can get justice for these survivors. And what has been
constantly talked about in the media, and you've done an
excellent job of highlighting it and keeping it in the headlines,
(35:46):
is what is the cost of the secrecy that the
government is continuing to insist upon. Well, it's this lack
of transparency causes it distrust within the public, It causes
conspiracy theories. It allows the people who are enablers and
(36:08):
predators to have time to cover their tracks. Meanwhile, anybody
in these powerful positions have to do is say enough
is enough, release the names, release the information the public
deserves to know.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
And that is not happening.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Will we finally get the documents necessary to create that
client list?
Speaker 3 (36:28):
The judges should release those documents.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Depositions, filings, nations, subpoenas, efidavits.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
This is what the public wants to see.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
We're talking about serious investigative materials that then function as evidence.
Rob Shooter or Congress is calling on Andrew Windsor aka
Prince Andrew, to fly over at our expense to testify
about what he knows regarding Epstein.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
Listen a congressional letter invites Windsor to testify about Epstein's crime.
It appears Windsor has no desire to clear his name,
refusing to comment on Epstein's financial records containing notations such
as massage for Andrew.
Speaker 16 (37:09):
As Windsor remained silent amid a renewed push for the
former royal to come clean. Victim's now calling for the
rest of his family to answer for him. Marina Leserda
says it's time for Sarah Ferguson and Princess's Beatrice and
Eugenie to come forward. Andrew publicly used his daughters as
an alibi.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
The more documents are released, the more trouble. Windsor could face,
stripped of all titles, told to vacate the Royal Lodge,
and under threat of private prosecution. Jail time could be
a real possibility. Experts believe there is more documentation of
Windsor's crimes with Epstein, there's a real danger those records
will still not see the light of day.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Why is he being treated differently than everyone else. He's
refusing to come and speak to Congress.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Why because he's got a lot to hide?
Speaker 10 (37:56):
Rob Shooter, Yeah, absolutely right. Nancy Andrew's looking do this.
He's made it very clear he's not going to voluntarily
do this. So now it's time for us to make
him do it. It's time for King Charles, it's time
for the Royal family. It's time for the British government
to absolutely hand him over. He's not going to go willingly.
We've got to hand him over. And until we stand
(38:17):
up and do that, he's going to continue to hide,
to get away, to slink in the shadows. And so
I think it's time now, Nancy, that Britain has to
step up. The Palace has to step up, his children
has to step up and say here he is, we
have to hand him over.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
We know that Prince Andrew is now trying to reunite
with his ex wife, Sarah Ferguson, who has lived with
him throughout the years. I don't think they're both going
to fit into his new abode. However, we have arrangements
for both of them. They're called the Big House and
the Big Dollhouse. They can live separately for a while.
(38:56):
More people are ending up as casualties to Epstein. That
would be Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie. They are going to
have their title stripped. It's seemingly only a matter of time.
They are now turning down invitations from the royal family.
They're torn between standing by their dad. So far they've
remained unscathed. What is in their future as a result
(39:20):
of all this.
Speaker 10 (39:22):
Their future Nancy is in the hands of their very
shady father. If Andrew can't do this for himself, and
he clearly can't, and he can't do it for the victims,
which is who he should really be doing it for,
do it for your kids. The only way these two
princesses have a future in Britain, have a future in
society is if their dad does the right thing. Now,
(39:45):
we should point out historically this is a man who
has always done the wrong thing. So I'm not holding
my breath here and I fear that the children will
be punished, although I should say here they have had
an extraordinary life because of their father, and so when
we say they did nothing wrong, maybe, but the life
they live is because of their privilege. Should that continue
(40:08):
now that we know the truth about their dad. That's
a debate that people are having. I don't want to
punish children for their parents' crimes, but they're part of this.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
They're part of this story, so they're casualties. Sarah Ferguson
Grifter is a casualty. But now Fergie and Andrew are
launching a rebrand, what is that?
Speaker 10 (40:36):
It is complete stupidity. It is a couple that thinks
they have a future and all that they have that's
a problem, is a pr problem, and it's not. This
is much much deeper. This is unfixable as long as
Andrew does not come forward and tell the truth. And
(40:58):
if he does tell the truth, we know what that truth.
So that is not flexible here. Any attempt to rebrand
themselves to have a new image, as if they're putting
out a new pop album, as if they're Taylor Swift
of Madonna will not work. This story is going to
stick to them for the rest of their lives and
potentially their children too well.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
One more issue regarding them is I don't believe without
Virginia Giffrey alive any longer to testify it against Andrew.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
That may be a dead end, But what about the.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Possibility Robshooter that Andrew can be prosecuted for misuse of
his position and misuse of the met The Metropolitan Police
and or Scotland yard.
Speaker 10 (41:38):
Yeah, I think both are very very much a serious
issue for him. If he indeed encouraged demanded his security
to dig up dirt on victims, that's a very serious crime.
Plus we've got to remember too, Andrew's finances are very dodgy.
Nobody really knows where his money comes from. The Royal
family do not like to talk about money. They don't
(41:58):
pay taxes on all their income. There's lots of loopholes here.
Andrew has opened up a kettle of fish now for
all the Royals because now people are wondering, how is
he paying, what is he doing for a living, how
does he have all this money? And so the investigations
into Andrew are just beginning. That they're far from over.
Speaker 8 (42:17):
And I do not remember anything. I can't have racked
my brain, that's me. But whether that's my hand or
whether that's the position, but I don't. I have simply
no recollection of a photograph ever being.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
Taken from our friends at BBC. We still believe in justice.
We still believe, even if it is naively so, that
there will be a vernic that speaks to the truth
if we don't give up. If you know or think
you know anything that could help this case. Called the
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line of duty, leaving behind grieving parents.
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Had only been on the force less than a year.
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
The Brothers Ortiz
The Brothers Ortiz is the story of two brothers–both successful, but in very different ways. Gabe Ortiz becomes a third-highest ranking officer in all of Texas while his younger brother Larry climbs the ranks in Puro Tango Blast, a notorious Texas Prison gang. Gabe doesn’t know all the details of his brother’s nefarious dealings, and he’s made a point not to ask, to protect their relationship. But when Larry is murdered during a home invasion in a rented beach house, Gabe has no choice but to look into what happened that night. To solve Larry’s murder, Gabe, and the whole Ortiz family, must ask each other tough questions.