September 1, 2025 • 50 mins
Jamie Brock and Kristin Brock share a blended family, each having children from other relationships. Kristin's 16-year-old daughter, Sarah Grace Patrick, is living in the home as Jamie and Kristin welcome their own little girl.
Through all their happiness, the Brocks have a dark cloud hanging over their heads. Jamie Brock, known for his big heart full of love, also happens to have a weak heart and needs a transplant soon if he wants to see his children grow up.
From the outside, it appears the Brocks have a well-balanced family and for the most part avoided the drama associated with having a teenage daughter. 16-year-old Sarah Grace Patrick seems like a smart, sweet, typical teenage girl.
But Jamie Brock, during several conversations, expresses her concerns, saying Sarah is not who she appears to present herself to the public to be when behind closed doors at home.
On the morning of Thursday, February 20, the couple's five-year-old daughter goes to her parents' bedroom to wake them up.
Not understanding what she sees, the child runs to her older sister, 16-year-old Sarah Grace, who immediately calls 911. The 5-year-old has discovered her mother and father dead in their bed, their bodies riddled with bullets. On the phone with 911, Sarah Grace tells the dispatcher the bodies are cold to the touch.
As weeks turn into months with no arrest in the murders, Kristin's now 17-year-old daughter, Sarah Grace Patrick, is taking to TikTok regularly, sharing emotional messages, urging influencers to draw attention to what is now an unsolved double homicide, and engaging with true crime creators in an effort to get them to cover the story.
The odd grab for attention is not lost on family members, who now see many things Sarah Grace has done as "red flags."
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Ryan Brown - Criminal Defense Attorney; Insta: jryanbrownlaw, YouTube: @ryanbrown
- Dr. Sue Cornbluth - Family and Relationship Expert, Owner of Dr. Sue & You, Author of “Building Self-Esteem in Children and Teens Who Are Adopted or Fostered;" YouTube: DrSueAndYou
- Chris Byers - Former Police Chief -Johns Creek Georgia, Private Investigator and Polygraph Examiner
- Janice Gregory - "Allegedly Reportedly" on TikTok
- Dr. William Morrone - Chief Medical Examiner, Bay County Michigan; Author: "American Narcan: Naloxone & Heroin-Fentanyl Associated Mortality"
- Katy Forrester - Assistant Exclusives Editor at The U.S. Sun (covering true crime and showbiz); X: @katyshowbix
- Dave Mack - Crime Stories Investigative Reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
An evil, high skilled girl gives a heart wrenching eulogy
after both her parents are shot dead. Tonight, she is
suspect number one. Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace. This is
Crime Stories.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I want to thank you for being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Sarah's five year old sister finds their parents, Kristen and
James Brock, in their bedroom, violently shot to death.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Police discovered no sign of fourth.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Century What happened to two very loving parents? A little
five year old sister finds her parents shot dead.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Listen.
Speaker 5 (00:49):
On the morning of February twentieth, twenty twenty five, deputies
with the Carroll County Sheriff's Office responded to a tragic
scene at fifteen thirty one Carrollton.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Tie Up Road.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
They discovered the bodies of James Brock, forty five and
Kristin Brock, forty one, both deceased from apparent gunshot wounds.
Our prayers remain with the families of James and Kristin Brock,
and especially with their young daughter who was home during
this horrific crime. We also want to extend our heartfelt
thanks to the community that has rallied for justice and
(01:22):
has never given up.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Pope.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I'm glad that everybody is praying for the allegedly evil
high school girl.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
But it doesn't end there.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
A gut wrenching, tearful eulogy goes down.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
You've got to hear this for those you to know.
Speaker 6 (01:43):
My name is Sarah and I'm Kristen Barlock's daughter and
James Block's stepdaughter.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
This is an this time.
Speaker 7 (01:56):
Term with me because I started a while. I just
wanted to say five named.
Speaker 8 (02:01):
Jamie since she ever got to genius to that, guys
always that I never thought to be here.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
John, Now that's wrong, Kristin Data's Facebook. I'm sorry I
was distracted because I'm trying to count how many times
she said me, me, me, me, me, me, I, I
I I.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
I ME during a eulogy for her parents.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
And I heard a lot of but I did see
any actual tears and definitely no snot with me. An
all star panel to make sense of what we know
right now. But before I go to Katie Forrester UH
Exclusives editor us Son investigative reporter, let me first start
(02:47):
with doctor William Maroney, renowned medical examiner, toxicologist, pathologist, opioid
treatment expert, author of American Narcan and so much more.
Doctor moroney, why did she say a parent gun shot wounds?
When people are shot multiple times?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
You know it.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
You walk into a room, I've done it, gone into
a crime scene and somebody's head is basically blown off,
or they're shot and their chest is wide open, or
their intestines are hanging out.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
I mean, you know, you don't have to be a.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Medical examiner like you, or a toxicologist or a pathologist
to know somebody's been shot.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
The adjective or the adverb that you would use a
parent is completely inappropriate. It doesn't address scientific frankness and
truth period.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
You know what, I could have gotten any guy on
the street to say it's not true. Okay, could you
you're the medical examiner. I was expecting something medically, Okay.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Medically, we have blunt force injuries, we have sharp force injury,
and we have gun gunshounds that we consider contact or
not contact. And the only time we ever use the
word a parent is if somebody is burnt to a
crisp and you can't figure out whether the hole is
(04:17):
a hole from a bullet or a hole from other trauma.
When we have gunshot wounds. The first thing we do
is we look closely at the close and closely at
the skin, and if there's char that goes around the wound,
that means that the gun was contact on the skin.
(04:39):
That is never an accident, it's premeditated and it's homicide.
After that, you may have some blowback on clothes, but
contact gun gunshot wounds are really important because they show
intent and motive. What we see people add adjectives and
(05:02):
add adverbs to distract and we want to use candor.
Candor is truth with direction, and we didn't.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Get out that is much more than I get off
a guy on the street.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Bottom line, marony.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Isn't it true that when a victim like these two
mom and dad are shot in their own room multiple times,
even a lawyer like me, a try a lawyer can
walk in and see they were shot. It doesn't take
a pH d And a specialty in toxicology and pathology
(05:42):
to figure that out.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
It's very clear. What do you know about the wounds
to these two victims, a.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Very loving mom and dad. As a matter of fact,
I'm gonna ask Katie about this. The dad was waiting
on a heart transplant. And he was still cutting the
grass or vacuuming at the local church, very very loving
(06:09):
to the alleged evil high school girls stepdaughter. So, doctor Moroney,
what can you tell me about their injuries?
Speaker 4 (06:17):
I think the multiple gunshots is always telling versus a
single gunshot. That really it totally relates to some kind
of crime of passion. There's a lot of hatred, there's
a disruption. This may actually be a sign of mental
illness or I hate to use the term drug addiction.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Dear Lord in Heaven, you've been on your opioid bus
for way too long. Maroney has a bus, put his
money where his mouth is, and he travels to enlighten
and help and treat opioid addicts, saving a lot of lives. Okay,
correct me if I'm wrong. But aren't you a medical examiner.
(07:02):
That's a yes, no, Maroni, a medical examiner, right.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
Yes, Maroni, it's a yes.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
That means you have a medical degree. Correct, that's a yes, Maroni,
yes okay. And you are a topsychologist anti pathologist.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
I work with forensic toxicology and my work is pathology,
but I'm not of the pathologist. I'm medical examiner. Same close.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Okay, at any point did you receive your PhD in
psychology or psychiatry.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
No, but I own a clinic. I am.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
So you're trying to tell me right now, but multiple
gunshot wounds, the bodies literally hanging open, that you can
tell me there.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Was a mental illness on the part of the shooter.
How just plain out, mean girl?
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Ayear old problems, behavioral problems that kids today are so
messed up. Between COVID and LLANSI just we mental illness
cannot be.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
You just threw COVID in the bag with TikTok. I
don't think they're similar at all. By the way, I'm
petting you on TikTok tonight. Okay, so you're gonna be
on TikTok. Dr Maroney, you know what, let's just get
a grip on reality really quickly. First of all, I'm
going to go back to Maroney when I need a
(08:33):
medical opinion. Katie Forrester is with US Assistant Exclusives editor
us Son. She covers true crime all the time and
is intimately versed in this case. Katie Forrester, please enlighten
us about the murders themselves. The let me be more specific,
(08:55):
the injury sustained by this mom and dad.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
The horrific.
Speaker 9 (08:59):
I mean, I think you put it right there where
you said there's a lot of me, me me in
the posts that she'd done since then, the way she'd acted,
there's a lot of narcissism there. Obviously, she is pleaded
not guilty, and we know the Menandez brothers. You know,
we've seen this happen before, where someone has murdered their
own parents. Usually they cannot help but confind in someone.
Speaker 10 (09:22):
It seems she didn't.
Speaker 9 (09:23):
If she do this. Her friends and family are supporting her.
She's sending text messages thanking them for their support.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
There's a lot of Yeah.
Speaker 9 (09:34):
I mean, there's certainly something mental.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Katie, Katie Forrester. Look at your monitor.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
I want to see the video again with all the
black coming down her face and all the snart. Okay, yeah,
you know what, I don't see any of that at
the funeral. Guys, let's take another tiny listen to miss
Thing giving her parents eulogy. Notice there's no black mascara
(10:04):
and eyeliner just streaming down her face. And by the way,
that video you just saw us from Kristin Dadas Facebook.
Speaker 11 (10:11):
Let's watch for James, Thank you for all the life
lessons you taught me, and for being the best.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
Son instead ever you're her will finding be in heaven
and neither of them will be any pain anymore.
Speaker 7 (10:22):
Although that gives me so much comfort.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Your life is also I've got to analyze her words.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
By the way, and the first tiny clip I showed you,
that's from Kristin Dadas Facebook. There's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten,
eleven and I'm not through county and just two sentences,
three sentences, eleven times.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
I are me. Now we're hearing more for James, that's
your stepfather.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Thank you for all the life lessons you taught me
and being the best funnest nineteen twenty Dad ever, your
heart will finally be healed in heaven. Okay, and you
will not be in pain anymore.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Oh okay? One more tiny listen.
Speaker 12 (11:09):
And for my mother.
Speaker 7 (11:10):
Everything we went through is not to find what kind
of person, what kind of mother you were?
Speaker 8 (11:15):
You read youautiful kind soul with so much gratitude and
so good James, and you taught me so many life
lessons and somebody you just recently told me the letter
you sent to James in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 7 (11:29):
When I first read it, rest cried.
Speaker 8 (11:32):
I got your books, But every single time I read
it it puts me a whole lot of peace.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
There you see a gut wrenching eulogy by a daughter
left orphan after her mom and stepdad.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Are brutally murdered. That was from Kristen Dada's Facebook.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Katie Forrester described to me where mom and stepdad were murdered.
Speaker 9 (11:55):
So they were murdered in that home. It was in
the middle of the night. And the most disturbing thing
about this story, apart from the fact that somebody might
murder their own parents, is that the five year old
daughter of.
Speaker 10 (12:08):
Kristin was the one to discover the bodies. I mean,
you just it's horrific.
Speaker 9 (12:15):
I can't imagine, you know what, whether she would remember
this growing up, or you know, whether she's going to
have to have trauma counseling. If Sarah brace Patrick did
do this, the fact that she would let her younger
daughter find the bodies.
Speaker 10 (12:29):
Is just beyond So, yeah, they were brutals.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
You're absolutely right, Katie. Take a listen.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
Five your old niece pus In woke up, walk up
to fat their parents lifeless.
Speaker 7 (12:46):
The trauma is innocent child walking for the rest of
her life is unfathomable.
Speaker 12 (12:53):
On the morning of Thursday, February twentieth, the five year
old daughter of Jamie and Kristin Brock goes to her parents'
bedroom to wake up. Not understanding what she sees, the
child runs to her older sister, sixteen year old Sarah
Grace Patrick, who immediately calls nine one one. The five
year old has discovered her mother and father dead in
their bed, their bodies riddled with bullets. On the phone
(13:14):
with nine one one, Sarah Grace tells the dispatcher if
the bodies are cold to the touch, pass the need
to do CPR Box five, Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Days after the murder, Sarah begins posting tearful tiktoks and
sends messages to true crime influencers asking them to look
into the death of her parents, claiming it would be
a really big hit.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Maybe I'm projecting that when I became a crime victim,
I couldn't eat, I couldn't sleep much less post on TikTok.
Joining me right now is a very special guest. Who
are we are calling Janice? You may know her as
allegedly reportedly on TikTok janis thank you for being with us.
(13:59):
You We're approached. We believe by Sarah Grace Patrick what happened?
Speaker 13 (14:06):
That is correct. On June third, I got a message
from Sarah Gracepatrick that just said, search up the brockcase.
And the only rock that came to my mind was
Brock Turner. So I asked what brockcase, and she explained
that it was the unsolved murders of her parents. As
she put it, I later learned it with her mother
and stepfather. On June third, she asked me to shine
(14:29):
a light on this case. On June fourth, she offered
to email me photos of the victims and her version
of events. On June fifth, I did post a video
about this unfold case, and Sarah Grace began commenting on
that video.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Tell me about the video that you posted.
Speaker 13 (14:47):
I posted a video similar to any video I would
post about an unfold case. I had compassion for this
young girl that lost her parents, and I just wanted
to do anything I could to spread awareness. So I
laid out the facts that there were and asked if
anyone had information to get in touch with law enforcements.
Speaker 11 (15:08):
Their children found them no longer alive. I cannot imagine
the trauma. This case is still unsolved, and it needs
more attention, and it needs closure. This is James and
Kristin Brock. James forty five years old and Kristin forty
one years old, were a beloved couple in Carroll County, Georgia.
(15:30):
They were active in their church and their friends and
family just absolutely adored them. But on February twentieth, twenty
twenty five, their lives were cut short. And like I said,
it was their children that found them.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Early that morning.
Speaker 11 (15:46):
Their children made a horrifying discovery. To my understanding. The
five year old first went into the room, noticed something
was off, and she went and got her sixteen year
old sister, who went into the room tried to wake
her parents up, and when she touched her mother's hand,
she saw that it was cold, so she called nine
(16:08):
to one one and they came out, and unfortunately there
was nothing that could be done. James and Kristen were gone. Allegedly,
there were no signs of forced entrgue, nothing was missing
from the home, and the weapon that had been used
could not be located, so it was determined that this
was not a case where one of them took the
(16:28):
other one's life and then took their own.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
So Janis, you were fed all those facts by whom.
Speaker 13 (16:35):
By Sarah Grace. There had been very little coverage so far,
so I took what she told me at face value. Again,
I viewed her as this poor child. I can't imagine
being in that situation. And then a month later I
was shocked.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
You know, I'm very curious.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Did you ever see her Mini Meani tiktoks that she
posted about her parents' murders.
Speaker 13 (16:59):
I did, And I have to be honest, I think
I can lean too heavily into compassion and empathy. But
my husband immediately felt that something was off with this girl.
I told him that he should have more empathy. How
could he think that? But between her videos and the
(17:19):
email that she sent me, and the way that she
said in her messages to me, this will be a
big hit. He said, something smells funny, and I just said, no.
You know, maybe we just don't remember what it's like
to be a teenager, and we don't know how a
teenager would react to this. But looking back, I should
have seen so many red flags.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Okay, wait a minute, she actually said to you quote
this will be a big hit.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
What will be a big hit?
Speaker 13 (17:45):
Yes, when she was asking me to make a video,
she said, this will be a big hit. Hardly anyone
has covered it. The one person that did is the
number one search result on Google. So that why in
the world, if your parents' lives were taken, why would
you be thinking about views, whether they're your own or
(18:06):
someone else's. It should only be about awareness and answers.
So that one I do regret not seeing as a
red flag immediately. But yeah, she said this will be
a big hit.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
So Katie Forrester joining us is close as editor covering
true crime. Katie, how many tiktoks did this girl post?
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Many? I think dozens over the time.
Speaker 9 (18:29):
There are a lot of, like you said, me, me,
me posts, attention seeking. I mean, as somebody who's lost
a parent, this is just not how you act when
you lose a parent.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
You know a lot of it.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
You know what, that's an interesting point, Katie Forrester, and
I would go to our new psychiatrist, doctor William Maroney,
but let me stick with the tried and true doctor.
Sue Kornblouth joining US family relationship expert, owner of doctor
Sue and you, author of Building Self Esteem in Children
and Teens, Doctor Sue, thank you for being with us now.
(19:04):
Is that normal? And of course normal doesn't really apply
when both of your parents have been murdered under the
roof with you down the hall asleep along with your
little sister. Is that normal for a crime victim like
Sarah Grace Patrick to start posting endless tiktoks and saying
things like, hey, post.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
This and it'll be a big hit. It's number one
on Google.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
I mean, Nancy, come on you.
Speaker 14 (19:31):
Between you and I that sounds absolutely ridiculous, and it is.
Speaker 7 (19:35):
When you're grieving the loss of your parent.
Speaker 14 (19:38):
Most times, teens will grieve quietly inside themselves. They will
sleep a lot. They will, you know, have symptoms of
stomach problems or headaches or things like that. They'll go
into some kind of isolation because grieving as a teen
(19:58):
is very difficult. They're not in normal situations going on
TikTok or calling reporters to post a story that sensationalizes
the death of their parents.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
It's absolutely not normal crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Now, I'm just thinking through the crime scene they were
found in their bedroom when police arrived. The mom and
stepbad both cold to the touch. Doctor William Moroney, back
in your wheelhouse, Let's keep it that way, Doctor Mroney Guys,
renowned medical examiner and author of American Narcan Doctor Moroney,
(20:48):
What does that mean that they were already ice cold
to the touch at the.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Time they were discovered? They were ambient temperature that's, you know,
seventy two seventy three seventy four degrees. Your body's ninety
eight point six. When your temperature in the room is
ninety two ninety or seventy two seventy three seventy four
(21:13):
degrees and the body temperature is ninety eight, you're looking
at about nineteen eighty two twenty three degree drop. That
takes about three hours three hours between when they were
shot and when they were discovered.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
So about three hours.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
We know they were in their bedroom, we know there
was we believe there was the air conditioner going, but
it was around seventy one to seventy three degrees.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
That's not cold.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
So how would that ambiyond temp in the room affect
the temperature of the bodies or would it.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
A really good medical exam scene will have an ambient
temperature and a skin temperature, and then they'll a core
temperature into the abdomen or liver, and that will also
show you how fast the temperature is dropping with air conditioning.
I still guess you know if okay, what did you
just say.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
You said, get a temp in the abdomen. Do you
have to slice the body upen to do that?
Speaker 4 (22:18):
No, you stick a needle in, stick stick a pro
and they'll see what temperature the liver is. And then
you'll see the outside of the bodies this, and the
inside of the bodies this, and you'll still come up with,
you know, three or three and a half hours. They
were discovered at five o'clock in the morning and the
police got there. They were probably shot between one or
(22:40):
two o'clock in the morning, just after midnight.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Doctor Maroney.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
I was pulling your leg earlier about you not being
a psychiatrist. Doctor Maroney, you're brilliant, and I know that
all of that is so.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Paste at an operating procedure. For you, you just reel
it off.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
But to the rest of us, the what you do
and the way you do it and the way you
explain it is amazing because see I was thinking as
a lay person that the temp of the room, the
ambiance temperature in the room, would affect the timp of
the body. Why do I care? Because I'm trying to
figure out when they were killed and I've got a
(23:21):
reason for that.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
It's probe, but if.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
It means something to me, and I just learned how
you can put a needle a probe into the abdomen,
get the internal organ temp.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Then you compute with the.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Body timp, the skin temp, you factor in the ambion temp,
and you get how long they've been dead. And this
is why I'm asking to Ryan Brown joining as a
veteran criminal defense attorney at Jryanbrownlaw dot com. Ryan, what
(23:59):
would you do if the perp had murdered her mother
a stepfather and then just went back to her room,
pulled the covers up, and waited for her little sister
to prance in there, Mommy, daddy wake up and find
(24:20):
their head blown off. So she laid there for how long?
That's where Maroney comes in two or three hours. She
laid there and just waited. It's like waiting to go
in on Christmas morning and see what's in your stocking.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
She just laid there and waited for the little sister
to find her mom and dad dead.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 15 (24:40):
The first thing I'm saying anytime is we have no
idea whether she was the one that shot them or not,
So starting any question with that, we don't know that
to be true yet. And the second thing I'm doing
as her lawyer is going through these victims passed and
finding somebody we can blame for this right, who else
had the motive, who else had to dispute with these folks,
who else had beef with them in some way? And
that's going to be my strategy of the entire time,
(25:01):
is reminding people as frequently as possible. We have no
idea whether she's the one that pulled the trigger yet,
and we're looking for other suspects that we can point
the finger at as I some other dude did at
defense as the case proceeds.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Okay, you a Ryan Brown.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
That's something I like about you. You just put it
out there. I'm looking for somebody else to blame people.
You just said it, and it's true, and every good
defense attorney knows that you won't say that into in front.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Of the jury.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Hey, we're looking for anybody to blame here. But you're right,
nothing has been proven. This so called evil high school
girl is innocent. As we go to air tonight. She
is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
I'm very, very curious to Janice, a well known TikToker
(25:50):
under the name allegedly reportedly I love that, Janie, when
you interacted with Sarah Grace Patrick.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
What was her demeanor?
Speaker 2 (26:01):
I mean, I see all the crying, snodding, eyeliner photos
she posted, but what were your interactions with her?
Speaker 13 (26:11):
She just came off as desperate for people to cover
this case. And what I find very interesting, I've heard
a lot of victim blaming going on, but everything Sarah
Grace told me about her parents is that they were wonderful.
They were amazing people. So she came across as someone
who lost to people that she treasured.
Speaker 16 (26:32):
Carrol County Sheriff's Department are on the scene in minutes
and began looking over the scene that doesn't show any
sign of forced entry. Just adore this seems a bit
of jar. Investigators spend all day at the home coming
the residence for evidence, speaking with neighbors, and searching for
surveillance video.
Speaker 7 (26:46):
The brutality in these murders is not in dispute.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
My family and I have seen the death certificates, and
although we are not aware of exactly how many shots
were fired, we do know that there were more gunshots.
Speaker 7 (27:01):
Both Jamie and.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Christen my friends at Fox five Atlanta, Awie, Ryan Brown,
Bryan Brown. No forced entry, nothing stolen, no sex attack, nothing,
So someone just walks into the home. I mean, you're
looking for somebody to blame. The sawd defense, sod some
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other dude did it.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
What are you gonna do with that?
Speaker 2 (27:28):
They didn't steal the car, they didn't steal the TV,
the video recorder, the diamond rings, and then no cash, no.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Guns, nothing's taken, nothing's missing. So the phantom creeps in.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Or maybe he flew in. Maybe it's a she secretly
you know what. Let's go with Ninja dressed all in
black like Jody Arius claimed, Ninja dressed all in black, sneaks.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
In on Timmatoo's.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Does it take anything? Doesn't anybody does? And even steal
the car, does it make a sound? No forced entry,
kills mom and dad and leaves. That's your theory.
Speaker 15 (28:09):
So the Saudi defense, you've got it.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
I find it to be.
Speaker 15 (28:12):
Very successful unless you can really pinpoint somebody. In the
case like this, the defense has got to find somebody
that was known to the victims, if that would help
explain the no force jury as well. Right, who did
they know that they would have welcomed into the home,
maybe not welcomed, but would have maybe let in the house,
or would have had access to the house or known
their way around the house that had some sort of motive.
(28:33):
I think just saying hey, state, prove it wasn't anybody
random is going to be unsuccessful. But they're going to
have to really pendpoint someone with motive that could have
entered the house without forced injury, would have had no
motive to commit a sexual act of violence or a
robbery or anything like that, and say, okay, State, now.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
The burden's on you.
Speaker 15 (28:50):
We've given you this alternative suspects or two. Now you
rule them out.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
So, Ryan Brown, you're completely correct, And even under US
Supreme Court rulings and in this jurisdiction Georgia Supreme Court rulings,
the defense can't just say, oh, well, there were some
other break ins in the area, so that was them. No,
you're right, you got to have a particular person to blame.
Here's a great example. Brian Coburger was desperately looking for
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somebody else to blame, and now we find out he
planned to blame one of the victim's friends. Yeah, and
crucify that innocent person. Yeah, there has to be a person.
He just can't go in and claim, Hey, we think
the burglar from down the street did it. He's never
been apprehended, but I'm pretty sure it was him. You
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can't put that to a jury. You're right, Ryan Brown,
You got to have a.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Specific some other dude did it. But then, as you know, Ryan.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
The suspects behavior before, during, and after the incident can
come before the jury. I hope you're sitting down for this, listen.
Speaker 16 (30:01):
Sarah Grace Patrick spends a lot of time on TikTok,
creating content and asking for other influencers to keep the
case alive and solve the murders of her mother and stepdad.
As weeks dragged by with no arrest, she's engaging with
true crime creators in an effort to get them to
cover the story. The odd grab for attention is not
lost on family members, who now see many things Sarah
(30:24):
Grace has done as red.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Flags crime stories with Nancy Grace. So while she's busy talking,
Ryan Brown, how do you think a jury, if there
ever is one, is going to respond to her spending
all of her time in full hair and makeup tiktoking. Oh,
(30:49):
of course, except for the ones where she gets in
full hair and makeup and then starts crying and snotting. Remember,
she had to put on all that hair and makeup
before she could cry it all off. So in the
days following mommy and Daddy's assassination in the home with
her down the hall, she gets some full hair and
makeup and then cries it off on TikTok.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
How do you think that'll set Ryan Brown?
Speaker 15 (31:12):
Well, I think it's going to be very important for
the jury to know. Hey, look, we're talking about victim
blaming your husband a lot of that. She's a victim.
In our theory. This can blame her for how she's grieving.
We're not going to blame her for how she's acting,
how she's dressing, how she's crying, whether there's not tears, sniffles,
whatever it may be. She's a victim too. Her her parents,
step parent were murdered. Don't judge, don't you know, blame
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her for how she's reacting. Don't put the blame on this.
She is a sixteen year old. Nobody on the jury
is a world. You don't know how sixteen year old
is going to grieve. Let's focus on the real issue here.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
You can remember I remember being sixteen, and even at sixteen,
the highlight of my day is when my mom would
pull up the driveway and toot the horn coming home
from work.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Yeah. I remember that.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
If there ever is a jury trial, they're going to
remember that too. And Janie, didn't you just tell us?
Janis is allegedly reportedly on TikTok, who was approached by
Sarah Grace Patrick no question about it, saying hey, hey, hey,
can I get a little pr about my mom and
dad's brutal murder.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
It'll be a really big hit. It's number one on Google. Janis,
isn't that true?
Speaker 13 (32:23):
Absolutely? And then she began commenting things on the video
I posted. Someone asked what weapon would used in this
crime and she replied with a gun emoji. Someone said that,
you know, from an investigative standpoint, it seems like this
would have been someone that knew the family, and Sarah
Grace replied and said, it sure would seem like it
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because they knew the house very haunting.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Oh oh man, oh man.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
You know what, every once in a while, Chris Bayer
is joining me PI, private investigator, owner of Buyer's Investigative Services,
former police chief John's Creek, Georgia. Chris Buyers, don't you
love it when Heaven just drops evidence in your lap?
Speaker 1 (33:05):
You don't even have to look for it.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Come on, you just heard Janice aka also known as
allegedly reportedly on TikTok where basically Sarah Grace Patrick is
giving the police all the information as if they couldn't
find it themselves. They did, but had to be somebody
that knew the house, had to be somebody that had.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Been in there before. Put this a little gun emoji.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
When someone asked what was the murder weapon, which, by
the way, was never found, Chris Buyers, she might as
well just give an all out confession.
Speaker 16 (33:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 17 (33:42):
Absolutely, very narcissistic and wants to be the center of attention,
and she just laid out everything that the police needed.
Of Course, like you said, they would have found it anyway,
that would be the first things that they're looking at.
But yeah, thank you. For helping us out making our
investigation even easier.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
You know. Another issue is then in the midst all
of this, the eulogy begins to be analyzed online. The
eulogy that Sarah Grace Patrick so gut wrenchingly delivered about
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her parents.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Listen.
Speaker 12 (34:23):
Sarah Grace Patrick's eulogy is captured on cell phone camera,
and many who watch it suggests the speech is a
red flag. Jamie Brock's niece, Kristin Dauta says she sat
in the front row during the service and even though
Sarah Grace's voice sounded like she was crying, Kristin never
saw a tear. Kristin Douda finds the cell phone video
online and shares it on her personal Facebook page.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Katie Forrester joining US Investigative Reporter Assistant Exclusives editor, What
did you observe and what was noticed by others regarding
her eulogy? I mean that takes technical legal term.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
You may not be familiar with this.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Katie Forrester bars the size of coconuts to get up
on that stage and eulogize the parents that police believe
she murdered in cold blood as they're asleep.
Speaker 9 (35:11):
I mean I think there are a lot of teenagers
that wouldn't even be able to get up to speak regardless,
even if they hadn't murdered their own parents. I think
it takes a lot of confidence to get up there,
so to then get up there and make most of
the speech about yourself, and then also at the end,
the thing that police had mentioned was that at the
end she said something like I'm sorry or she said sorry,
(35:35):
and that was sort of out of place, and officials
have said that that was another red flag. But just
the way she spoke about them and the way she
was talking about herself d'Or in it, you know, And
I can't.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
I cannot imagine.
Speaker 9 (35:47):
What it must have been like for people watching that
who were already suspicious of her, because we know that
the parents, their family and friends were already thinking that
she may be responsible.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
To doctor William Roney, joining US renowned medical examiner to psychologist,
opioid treatment expert, and author, doctor Maroney, I want to
talk again. I want to come back to the wounds
with gunshot wounds. How would you determine if there were
defensive wounds? What I'm getting at, doctor, is were they
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executed in their sleep?
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Or did they wake up and try to protect themselves.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
Because we have sheets and blankets, you would have arms covered.
If gunshot residue is on hands, then they tried to
protect themselves and there were defensive posturing. If somebody has
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a plain, simple frank, uncomplicated char gunshot wounds to the
chest and there's no gunshot residue on hands, there was
no defensive posturing.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Okay, I know, at the risk of being called very slow,
could you say that again. I just want to make
sure I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
How can you tell if there were defensive ones.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
If they test the hands of the victims and the
hands of the victims have gunshot residue on them, but
the hands were in the bed, then it's just like
this truffle powder. There's powder that's gunshot, powder, nitrates, sulfurs
(37:42):
on the victims hands the hands were up. If the
hands are under sheets and blankets and there's no powder
on the hands, then they were shot, plain, simple frank
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execution without any defensive posturing.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
You know, this came up in the Brian Coburger case,
Doctor Maroney. We were originally led to believe that all
four of those beautiful young University i'd host students were
all murdered in their sleep. Then we find out after
the plea deal that they fought for their lives. Many
of them fought for their lives and one vic well
(38:31):
two one Kelly Gonsalves, was stabbed so many times in
the face she was disfigured. Another victim got up to
fifty stab ones. They were not killed in their sleep,
as if that's somehow better. If this mom and dad
had been murdered in their sleep, what would you have
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expected to find at the scene.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
Very clearly, the gunshot on the skin would have had
no barriers, no resistance, and you'll find a round, charred
like tattoo, shaped exactly like the muzzle and the barrel
(39:16):
of the gun. It gets so hot it burns on
the skin, burns the shape of the gun on a
contact wound, and it's it's not something you can brush off.
It's burned. That would be a wound that has absolutely
(39:40):
no defensive posturing. Something. Plus, when the round enters the
body in a contact wound, gas from the barrel goes
in and it's it spreads the skin. We call a
stellate lesions. Stell eate means star like. It's kind of
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a Latin term. And those sellate lesions prove that you
press that gun onto the neck or the chest or
the abdomen, and you blue gas into the skin and
it explodes as it goes in. Those are no defense,
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one hundred percent execution style charred stellate lesions.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
So, doctor Moroney, gunshot residue, as you pointed out with
your truffle, powder can dissipate with just being rubbed off
very easily. But the tattooing from the hot gun and
the searing of the skin that cannot be brushed off, Okay,
you not physically are burned. This would you expect to
(40:53):
find as to the regarding the position of the bodies
if Mom and Dad had been shot in their sleep.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
Well, another thing that I've seen on site is that
if somebody is more animate or alive, they're moving around,
and sometimes the bullets buff the ribs or the bones
of the spine. When somebody's pressed into the bed, the
bullet will go through the person, through the bed and
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into the floor. So having an animate body moving around
oftentimes means you're not going to get a gun shot
through the bed and into the carpet and into the floor.
A body that's asleep is not cassing any resistance back,
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and all the power goes through the bullet, through the body,
through the bed, and into the floor. That's another big
sign when people are shot while they're sleeping.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Doctor William Roney A technical and a subtle but important question.
For instance, and the jody areas multiple stabbing murder Travis
Alexander twenty nine to thirty one stas, we don't really
know because the stabs were overlapping, and that's like stabbing jello.
You can't really tell how many times he was stabbed then.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Shot in the head.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Unlike stabbings, when someone is shot multiple times while on
the outside of the body, you may not be able
to tell how many gunshot wounds there were if they overlapped.
Inside the body, you can tell because the trajectory paths
of the bullets will be different, even though the outside
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of the body may be mangled. Inside the body, when
you look at the path of the bullet, you'll see
distinct paths and you can tell how many times each
victim was shot.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Is that true?
Speaker 13 (42:47):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (42:49):
What we have in the autopsy suite is usually it's
like an aluminum rod. Sometimes it's a plastic rod. Sometimes
it's something that you might see in the garden shop Walmart,
and it's about this big. We begin with the end
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at the point of the barrel, and then you pass
the rod through the body according to how many different shots.
You have to see what angle they all went at,
and that's how you'll follow because every single bullet has
(43:34):
to be accounted. And in a hospital setting, a smart
pathologist will send that body to radiology and they'll image
all the bullets in the body, or or they'll have
a mobile radiology come with a digital camera. And before
you do the autopsy, if you never have the gun,
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if you never have the shell casings, you have the
number of bullets to count from X rays and that's
how you go through and every path is with the rod.
And at the end of your X ray you have
to account because you don't know how many times the
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gun was fired if you're never going to get the gun,
and you still have to say shot number one, shot
number two, shot number three, and you follow the path
of the bullet by the rods and how many different rods,
and then you actually look at deformation. You know a
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bullet that bounces off of ribs, it's going to be
smashed up. A bullet that goes only through soft tissue
is going to be less deformed. But you follow them
all with rods point of entry, and you begin with
X rays.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
The point is how many times did she allege reportedly
shoot her parents.
Speaker 5 (45:03):
From the very moment the nine one one call was received,
a relentless investigation began, one that would span months, consume
thousands of man hours, and require the full weight of
the local and federal law enforcement agency partnerships. Today we
can confirm that an arrest has been made in the case.
Kristen Brock's seventeen year old daughter, Sarah Grace Patrick, has
(45:28):
been taken into custody and charged with two counts of
murder and two counts of aggravated assault in connection with
the death of her mother and her stepfather.
Speaker 6 (45:38):
The defendant is charged with the brutal murders of my
brother Technique and my sister in law while they were
lying in their bed.
Speaker 18 (45:54):
Shot multiple times, including both shot.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
From Fox five Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
And of course, the first thing the so called evil
high school girl does is try to get bond listen
personal safety.
Speaker 7 (46:15):
If the defendant can kill her own parents. Is such
a violent.
Speaker 6 (46:23):
Villain man a fear from own safety and safety in
my family and friends.
Speaker 7 (46:30):
The possibility that she can harm us is terrifying.
Speaker 19 (46:33):
I am deeply concerned for the safety of my family.
The gruesome and violent details of this case have shown
me that the defendant has a disturbing lack of regard
for human life. If someone is capable of what happened here,
then I can not ignore the real possibility that she
could pose a threat to those of us left behind,
(46:54):
especially she.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Were released on bond from our friends Fox five Atlanta,
Katie Forrester, Yes, no, she was denied bond, right, yes
she was, and.
Speaker 7 (47:05):
We all expected that.
Speaker 10 (47:07):
I mean, these charges are so strong, and police do not,
you know, arrest somebody and put together so many charges
for a seventeen year.
Speaker 9 (47:15):
Old if they don't have a lot of evidence, as
I've said in the.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
Press commerce and then of course Katie Katie, immediately when
Barna's denied, she started the crying and the snarting, right
I've always We've got a video of the crying and
crying throughout.
Speaker 9 (47:30):
I think there was kind of more crocodile tea is
when people were giving witness statements. When they were talking
about her character statements, she was she was sort of
it looked to me like sort of fake crying throughout that,
and then she she is bond. She was actually crying. Yeah,
so she started.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
So we're showing her right now, Katie, You're absolutely correct.
The crying, the snarting that's in her bond hearing.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
Ryan Brown, what do you do with that?
Speaker 2 (47:58):
That's why our friends at Fox five Atlanta. Are you
going to let her continue with the crying and the
snotting in front of the jury.
Speaker 15 (48:04):
Yeah, so you know at the bond here, you're not
too worried about it, no jury present, but you know,
I think it's good for somebody to be themselves in
front of a jury, right you can you run the
risk of if you coach somebody up too much, till
them not to be emotional and control themselves in a
certain way. You're more concerned about a client kind of
being dismissive and kind of huffing and puffing in front
of a jury, you know, and kind of acting out.
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But you know, when you see tears, if I'm her lawyer,
I don't care she's sad or she's got people she
loves that are murdered. Somebody else murder He she's a
crime victim. She's being falsely prosecuted, cry away. I've got
no problem.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
With it, and very quickly Chris Buyers, private investigator Buyer's
Investigative Service as former police chief Buyers, we don't have
the murder weapon. War two weapons used, multiple gunshot wounds,
So question where's.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
The murder weapon?
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Money fade her the murder weapon is somebody helping her?
Speaker 6 (49:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 17 (49:04):
One of the other things that's huge in that that
it's a big shame for me and I have not
seen in any of the reporting is where there's showcasings left?
Do they have any showcasings that they can run through
the National Integrated Ballistics Database to try to see with
this gun, you know the history of this gun, where
this gun came from. But yes, the murder weapon being
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gone what you want. That's one of the key things
when you're an investigator. You show up to this scene
and you want to know how they were murdered and
where is the weapon that did it? So very possibly,
very possibly she has somebody else helping her. You heard
the Public Information officer from Carroll County Sheriff's apartment said
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in the end that more arrest could be coming, So
that leads you to believe, you know, did she have help?
Did she have help hiding this, planning this? Was there
somebody else there? All these different things investigators are sounds
like they're still looking into.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
As we wait for justice to unfold.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
We remember an American hero, Deputy Sheriff Jody Hull Saint
John's County Sheriff's, Florida, killed in the line of duty,
leaving behind a grieving wife, Kelly, and seven children.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
American hero Deputy Sheriff Jody Hall. Nancy Gray signing off
goodbye friend
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
An evil, high skilled girl gives a heart wrenching eulogy
after both her parents are shot dead. Tonight, she is
suspect number one. Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace. This is
Crime Stories.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I want to thank you for being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Sarah's five year old sister finds their parents, Kristen and
James Brock, in their bedroom, violently shot to death.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Police discovered no sign of fourth.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Century What happened to two very loving parents? A little
five year old sister finds her parents shot dead.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Listen.
Speaker 5 (00:49):
On the morning of February twentieth, twenty twenty five, deputies
with the Carroll County Sheriff's Office responded to a tragic
scene at fifteen thirty one Carrollton.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Tie Up Road.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
They discovered the bodies of James Brock, forty five and
Kristin Brock, forty one, both deceased from apparent gunshot wounds.
Our prayers remain with the families of James and Kristin Brock,
and especially with their young daughter who was home during
this horrific crime. We also want to extend our heartfelt
thanks to the community that has rallied for justice and
(01:22):
has never given up.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Pope.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I'm glad that everybody is praying for the allegedly evil
high school girl.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
But it doesn't end there.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
A gut wrenching, tearful eulogy goes down.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
You've got to hear this for those you to know.
Speaker 6 (01:43):
My name is Sarah and I'm Kristen Barlock's daughter and
James Block's stepdaughter.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
This is an this time.
Speaker 7 (01:56):
Term with me because I started a while. I just
wanted to say five named.
Speaker 8 (02:01):
Jamie since she ever got to genius to that, guys
always that I never thought to be here.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
John, Now that's wrong, Kristin Data's Facebook. I'm sorry I
was distracted because I'm trying to count how many times
she said me, me, me, me, me, me, I, I
I I.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
I ME during a eulogy for her parents.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
And I heard a lot of but I did see
any actual tears and definitely no snot with me. An
all star panel to make sense of what we know
right now. But before I go to Katie Forrester UH
Exclusives editor us Son investigative reporter, let me first start
(02:47):
with doctor William Maroney, renowned medical examiner, toxicologist, pathologist, opioid
treatment expert, author of American Narcan and so much more.
Doctor moroney, why did she say a parent gun shot wounds?
When people are shot multiple times?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
You know it.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
You walk into a room, I've done it, gone into
a crime scene and somebody's head is basically blown off,
or they're shot and their chest is wide open, or
their intestines are hanging out.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
I mean, you know, you don't have to be a.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Medical examiner like you, or a toxicologist or a pathologist
to know somebody's been shot.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
The adjective or the adverb that you would use a
parent is completely inappropriate. It doesn't address scientific frankness and
truth period.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
You know what, I could have gotten any guy on
the street to say it's not true. Okay, could you
you're the medical examiner. I was expecting something medically, Okay.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Medically, we have blunt force injuries, we have sharp force injury,
and we have gun gunshounds that we consider contact or
not contact. And the only time we ever use the
word a parent is if somebody is burnt to a
crisp and you can't figure out whether the hole is
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a hole from a bullet or a hole from other trauma.
When we have gunshot wounds. The first thing we do
is we look closely at the close and closely at
the skin, and if there's char that goes around the wound,
that means that the gun was contact on the skin.
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That is never an accident, it's premeditated and it's homicide.
After that, you may have some blowback on clothes, but
contact gun gunshot wounds are really important because they show
intent and motive. What we see people add adjectives and
(05:02):
add adverbs to distract and we want to use candor.
Candor is truth with direction, and we didn't.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Get out that is much more than I get off
a guy on the street.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Bottom line, marony.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Isn't it true that when a victim like these two
mom and dad are shot in their own room multiple times,
even a lawyer like me, a try a lawyer can
walk in and see they were shot. It doesn't take
a pH d And a specialty in toxicology and pathology
(05:42):
to figure that out.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
It's very clear. What do you know about the wounds
to these two victims, a.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Very loving mom and dad. As a matter of fact,
I'm gonna ask Katie about this. The dad was waiting
on a heart transplant. And he was still cutting the
grass or vacuuming at the local church, very very loving
(06:09):
to the alleged evil high school girls stepdaughter. So, doctor Moroney,
what can you tell me about their injuries?
Speaker 4 (06:17):
I think the multiple gunshots is always telling versus a
single gunshot. That really it totally relates to some kind
of crime of passion. There's a lot of hatred, there's
a disruption. This may actually be a sign of mental
illness or I hate to use the term drug addiction.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Dear Lord in Heaven, you've been on your opioid bus
for way too long. Maroney has a bus, put his
money where his mouth is, and he travels to enlighten
and help and treat opioid addicts, saving a lot of lives. Okay,
correct me if I'm wrong. But aren't you a medical examiner.
(07:02):
That's a yes, no, Maroni, a medical examiner, right.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
Yes, Maroni, it's a yes.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
That means you have a medical degree. Correct, that's a yes, Maroni,
yes okay. And you are a topsychologist anti pathologist.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
I work with forensic toxicology and my work is pathology,
but I'm not of the pathologist. I'm medical examiner. Same close.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Okay, at any point did you receive your PhD in
psychology or psychiatry.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
No, but I own a clinic. I am.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
So you're trying to tell me right now, but multiple
gunshot wounds, the bodies literally hanging open, that you can
tell me there.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Was a mental illness on the part of the shooter.
How just plain out, mean girl?
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Ayear old problems, behavioral problems that kids today are so
messed up. Between COVID and LLANSI just we mental illness
cannot be.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
You just threw COVID in the bag with TikTok. I
don't think they're similar at all. By the way, I'm
petting you on TikTok tonight. Okay, so you're gonna be
on TikTok. Dr Maroney, you know what, let's just get
a grip on reality really quickly. First of all, I'm
going to go back to Maroney when I need a
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medical opinion. Katie Forrester is with US Assistant Exclusives editor
us Son. She covers true crime all the time and
is intimately versed in this case. Katie Forrester, please enlighten
us about the murders themselves. The let me be more specific,
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the injury sustained by this mom and dad.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
The horrific.
Speaker 9 (08:59):
I mean, I think you put it right there where
you said there's a lot of me, me me in
the posts that she'd done since then, the way she'd acted,
there's a lot of narcissism there. Obviously, she is pleaded
not guilty, and we know the Menandez brothers. You know,
we've seen this happen before, where someone has murdered their
own parents. Usually they cannot help but confind in someone.
Speaker 10 (09:22):
It seems she didn't.
Speaker 9 (09:23):
If she do this. Her friends and family are supporting her.
She's sending text messages thanking them for their support.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
There's a lot of Yeah.
Speaker 9 (09:34):
I mean, there's certainly something mental.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Katie, Katie Forrester. Look at your monitor.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
I want to see the video again with all the
black coming down her face and all the snart. Okay, yeah,
you know what, I don't see any of that at
the funeral. Guys, let's take another tiny listen to miss
Thing giving her parents eulogy. Notice there's no black mascara
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and eyeliner just streaming down her face. And by the way,
that video you just saw us from Kristin Dadas Facebook.
Speaker 11 (10:11):
Let's watch for James, Thank you for all the life
lessons you taught me, and for being the best.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
Son instead ever you're her will finding be in heaven
and neither of them will be any pain anymore.
Speaker 7 (10:22):
Although that gives me so much comfort.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Your life is also I've got to analyze her words.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
By the way, and the first tiny clip I showed you,
that's from Kristin Dadas Facebook. There's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten,
eleven and I'm not through county and just two sentences,
three sentences, eleven times.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
I are me. Now we're hearing more for James, that's
your stepfather.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Thank you for all the life lessons you taught me
and being the best funnest nineteen twenty Dad ever, your
heart will finally be healed in heaven. Okay, and you
will not be in pain anymore.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Oh okay? One more tiny listen.
Speaker 12 (11:09):
And for my mother.
Speaker 7 (11:10):
Everything we went through is not to find what kind
of person, what kind of mother you were?
Speaker 8 (11:15):
You read youautiful kind soul with so much gratitude and
so good James, and you taught me so many life
lessons and somebody you just recently told me the letter
you sent to James in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 7 (11:29):
When I first read it, rest cried.
Speaker 8 (11:32):
I got your books, But every single time I read
it it puts me a whole lot of peace.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
There you see a gut wrenching eulogy by a daughter
left orphan after her mom and stepdad.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Are brutally murdered. That was from Kristen Dada's Facebook.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Katie Forrester described to me where mom and stepdad were murdered.
Speaker 9 (11:55):
So they were murdered in that home. It was in
the middle of the night. And the most disturbing thing
about this story, apart from the fact that somebody might
murder their own parents, is that the five year old
daughter of.
Speaker 10 (12:08):
Kristin was the one to discover the bodies. I mean,
you just it's horrific.
Speaker 9 (12:15):
I can't imagine, you know what, whether she would remember
this growing up, or you know, whether she's going to
have to have trauma counseling. If Sarah brace Patrick did
do this, the fact that she would let her younger
daughter find the bodies.
Speaker 10 (12:29):
Is just beyond So, yeah, they were brutals.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
You're absolutely right, Katie. Take a listen.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
Five your old niece pus In woke up, walk up
to fat their parents lifeless.
Speaker 7 (12:46):
The trauma is innocent child walking for the rest of
her life is unfathomable.
Speaker 12 (12:53):
On the morning of Thursday, February twentieth, the five year
old daughter of Jamie and Kristin Brock goes to her parents'
bedroom to wake up. Not understanding what she sees, the
child runs to her older sister, sixteen year old Sarah
Grace Patrick, who immediately calls nine one one. The five
year old has discovered her mother and father dead in
their bed, their bodies riddled with bullets. On the phone
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with nine one one, Sarah Grace tells the dispatcher if
the bodies are cold to the touch, pass the need
to do CPR Box five, Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Days after the murder, Sarah begins posting tearful tiktoks and
sends messages to true crime influencers asking them to look
into the death of her parents, claiming it would be
a really big hit.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Maybe I'm projecting that when I became a crime victim,
I couldn't eat, I couldn't sleep much less post on TikTok.
Joining me right now is a very special guest. Who
are we are calling Janice? You may know her as
allegedly reportedly on TikTok janis thank you for being with us.
(13:59):
You We're approached. We believe by Sarah Grace Patrick what happened?
Speaker 13 (14:06):
That is correct. On June third, I got a message
from Sarah Gracepatrick that just said, search up the brockcase.
And the only rock that came to my mind was
Brock Turner. So I asked what brockcase, and she explained
that it was the unsolved murders of her parents. As
she put it, I later learned it with her mother
and stepfather. On June third, she asked me to shine
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a light on this case. On June fourth, she offered
to email me photos of the victims and her version
of events. On June fifth, I did post a video
about this unfold case, and Sarah Grace began commenting on
that video.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Tell me about the video that you posted.
Speaker 13 (14:47):
I posted a video similar to any video I would
post about an unfold case. I had compassion for this
young girl that lost her parents, and I just wanted
to do anything I could to spread awareness. So I
laid out the facts that there were and asked if
anyone had information to get in touch with law enforcements.
Speaker 11 (15:08):
Their children found them no longer alive. I cannot imagine
the trauma. This case is still unsolved, and it needs
more attention, and it needs closure. This is James and
Kristin Brock. James forty five years old and Kristin forty
one years old, were a beloved couple in Carroll County, Georgia.
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They were active in their church and their friends and
family just absolutely adored them. But on February twentieth, twenty
twenty five, their lives were cut short. And like I said,
it was their children that found them.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Early that morning.
Speaker 11 (15:46):
Their children made a horrifying discovery. To my understanding. The
five year old first went into the room, noticed something
was off, and she went and got her sixteen year
old sister, who went into the room tried to wake
her parents up, and when she touched her mother's hand,
she saw that it was cold, so she called nine
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to one one and they came out, and unfortunately there
was nothing that could be done. James and Kristen were gone. Allegedly,
there were no signs of forced entrgue, nothing was missing
from the home, and the weapon that had been used
could not be located, so it was determined that this
was not a case where one of them took the
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other one's life and then took their own.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
So Janis, you were fed all those facts by whom.
Speaker 13 (16:35):
By Sarah Grace. There had been very little coverage so far,
so I took what she told me at face value. Again,
I viewed her as this poor child. I can't imagine
being in that situation. And then a month later I
was shocked.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
You know, I'm very curious.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Did you ever see her Mini Meani tiktoks that she
posted about her parents' murders.
Speaker 13 (16:59):
I did, And I have to be honest, I think
I can lean too heavily into compassion and empathy. But
my husband immediately felt that something was off with this girl.
I told him that he should have more empathy. How
could he think that? But between her videos and the
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email that she sent me, and the way that she
said in her messages to me, this will be a
big hit. He said, something smells funny, and I just said, no.
You know, maybe we just don't remember what it's like
to be a teenager, and we don't know how a
teenager would react to this. But looking back, I should
have seen so many red flags.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Okay, wait a minute, she actually said to you quote
this will be a big hit.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
What will be a big hit?
Speaker 13 (17:45):
Yes, when she was asking me to make a video,
she said, this will be a big hit. Hardly anyone
has covered it. The one person that did is the
number one search result on Google. So that why in
the world, if your parents' lives were taken, why would
you be thinking about views, whether they're your own or
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someone else's. It should only be about awareness and answers.
So that one I do regret not seeing as a
red flag immediately. But yeah, she said this will be
a big hit.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
So Katie Forrester joining us is close as editor covering
true crime. Katie, how many tiktoks did this girl post?
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Many? I think dozens over the time.
Speaker 9 (18:29):
There are a lot of, like you said, me, me,
me posts, attention seeking. I mean, as somebody who's lost
a parent, this is just not how you act when
you lose a parent.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
You know a lot of it.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
You know what, that's an interesting point, Katie Forrester, and
I would go to our new psychiatrist, doctor William Maroney,
but let me stick with the tried and true doctor.
Sue Kornblouth joining US family relationship expert, owner of doctor
Sue and you, author of Building Self Esteem in Children
and Teens, Doctor Sue, thank you for being with us now.
(19:04):
Is that normal? And of course normal doesn't really apply
when both of your parents have been murdered under the
roof with you down the hall asleep along with your
little sister. Is that normal for a crime victim like
Sarah Grace Patrick to start posting endless tiktoks and saying
things like, hey, post.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
This and it'll be a big hit. It's number one
on Google.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
I mean, Nancy, come on you.
Speaker 14 (19:31):
Between you and I that sounds absolutely ridiculous, and it is.
Speaker 7 (19:35):
When you're grieving the loss of your parent.
Speaker 14 (19:38):
Most times, teens will grieve quietly inside themselves. They will
sleep a lot. They will, you know, have symptoms of
stomach problems or headaches or things like that. They'll go
into some kind of isolation because grieving as a teen
(19:58):
is very difficult. They're not in normal situations going on
TikTok or calling reporters to post a story that sensationalizes
the death of their parents.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
It's absolutely not normal crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Now, I'm just thinking through the crime scene they were
found in their bedroom when police arrived. The mom and
stepbad both cold to the touch. Doctor William Moroney, back
in your wheelhouse, Let's keep it that way, Doctor Mroney Guys,
renowned medical examiner and author of American Narcan Doctor Moroney,
(20:48):
What does that mean that they were already ice cold
to the touch at the.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Time they were discovered? They were ambient temperature that's, you know,
seventy two seventy three seventy four degrees. Your body's ninety
eight point six. When your temperature in the room is
ninety two ninety or seventy two seventy three seventy four
(21:13):
degrees and the body temperature is ninety eight, you're looking
at about nineteen eighty two twenty three degree drop. That
takes about three hours three hours between when they were
shot and when they were discovered.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
So about three hours.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
We know they were in their bedroom, we know there
was we believe there was the air conditioner going, but
it was around seventy one to seventy three degrees.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
That's not cold.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
So how would that ambiyond temp in the room affect
the temperature of the bodies or would it.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
A really good medical exam scene will have an ambient
temperature and a skin temperature, and then they'll a core
temperature into the abdomen or liver, and that will also
show you how fast the temperature is dropping with air conditioning.
I still guess you know if okay, what did you
just say.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
You said, get a temp in the abdomen. Do you
have to slice the body upen to do that?
Speaker 4 (22:18):
No, you stick a needle in, stick stick a pro
and they'll see what temperature the liver is. And then
you'll see the outside of the bodies this, and the
inside of the bodies this, and you'll still come up with,
you know, three or three and a half hours. They
were discovered at five o'clock in the morning and the
police got there. They were probably shot between one or
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two o'clock in the morning, just after midnight.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Doctor Maroney.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
I was pulling your leg earlier about you not being
a psychiatrist. Doctor Maroney, you're brilliant, and I know that
all of that is so.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Paste at an operating procedure. For you, you just reel
it off.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
But to the rest of us, the what you do
and the way you do it and the way you
explain it is amazing because see I was thinking as
a lay person that the temp of the room, the
ambiance temperature in the room, would affect the timp of
the body. Why do I care? Because I'm trying to
figure out when they were killed and I've got a
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reason for that.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
It's probe, but if.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
It means something to me, and I just learned how
you can put a needle a probe into the abdomen,
get the internal organ temp.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Then you compute with the.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Body timp, the skin temp, you factor in the ambion temp,
and you get how long they've been dead. And this
is why I'm asking to Ryan Brown joining as a
veteran criminal defense attorney at Jryanbrownlaw dot com. Ryan, what
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would you do if the perp had murdered her mother
a stepfather and then just went back to her room,
pulled the covers up, and waited for her little sister
to prance in there, Mommy, daddy wake up and find
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their head blown off. So she laid there for how long?
That's where Maroney comes in two or three hours. She
laid there and just waited. It's like waiting to go
in on Christmas morning and see what's in your stocking.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
She just laid there and waited for the little sister
to find her mom and dad dead.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 15 (24:40):
The first thing I'm saying anytime is we have no
idea whether she was the one that shot them or not,
So starting any question with that, we don't know that
to be true yet. And the second thing I'm doing
as her lawyer is going through these victims passed and
finding somebody we can blame for this right, who else
had the motive, who else had to dispute with these folks,
who else had beef with them in some way? And
that's going to be my strategy of the entire time,
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is reminding people as frequently as possible. We have no
idea whether she's the one that pulled the trigger yet,
and we're looking for other suspects that we can point
the finger at as I some other dude did at
defense as the case proceeds.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Okay, you a Ryan Brown.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
That's something I like about you. You just put it
out there. I'm looking for somebody else to blame people.
You just said it, and it's true, and every good
defense attorney knows that you won't say that into in front.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Of the jury.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Hey, we're looking for anybody to blame here. But you're right,
nothing has been proven. This so called evil high school
girl is innocent. As we go to air tonight. She
is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
I'm very, very curious to Janice, a well known TikToker
(25:50):
under the name allegedly reportedly I love that, Janie, when
you interacted with Sarah Grace Patrick.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
What was her demeanor?
Speaker 2 (26:01):
I mean, I see all the crying, snodding, eyeliner photos
she posted, but what were your interactions with her?
Speaker 13 (26:11):
She just came off as desperate for people to cover
this case. And what I find very interesting, I've heard
a lot of victim blaming going on, but everything Sarah
Grace told me about her parents is that they were wonderful.
They were amazing people. So she came across as someone
who lost to people that she treasured.
Speaker 16 (26:32):
Carrol County Sheriff's Department are on the scene in minutes
and began looking over the scene that doesn't show any
sign of forced entry. Just adore this seems a bit
of jar. Investigators spend all day at the home coming
the residence for evidence, speaking with neighbors, and searching for
surveillance video.
Speaker 7 (26:46):
The brutality in these murders is not in dispute.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
My family and I have seen the death certificates, and
although we are not aware of exactly how many shots
were fired, we do know that there were more gunshots.
Speaker 7 (27:01):
Both Jamie and.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Christen my friends at Fox five Atlanta, Awie, Ryan Brown,
Bryan Brown. No forced entry, nothing stolen, no sex attack, nothing,
So someone just walks into the home. I mean, you're
looking for somebody to blame. The sawd defense, sod some
(27:25):
other dude did it.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
What are you gonna do with that?
Speaker 2 (27:28):
They didn't steal the car, they didn't steal the TV,
the video recorder, the diamond rings, and then no cash, no.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Guns, nothing's taken, nothing's missing. So the phantom creeps in.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Or maybe he flew in. Maybe it's a she secretly
you know what. Let's go with Ninja dressed all in
black like Jody Arius claimed, Ninja dressed all in black, sneaks.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
In on Timmatoo's.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Does it take anything? Doesn't anybody does? And even steal
the car, does it make a sound? No forced entry,
kills mom and dad and leaves. That's your theory.
Speaker 15 (28:09):
So the Saudi defense, you've got it.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
I find it to be.
Speaker 15 (28:12):
Very successful unless you can really pinpoint somebody. In the
case like this, the defense has got to find somebody
that was known to the victims, if that would help
explain the no force jury as well. Right, who did
they know that they would have welcomed into the home,
maybe not welcomed, but would have maybe let in the house,
or would have had access to the house or known
their way around the house that had some sort of motive.
(28:33):
I think just saying hey, state, prove it wasn't anybody
random is going to be unsuccessful. But they're going to
have to really pendpoint someone with motive that could have
entered the house without forced injury, would have had no
motive to commit a sexual act of violence or a
robbery or anything like that, and say, okay, State, now.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
The burden's on you.
Speaker 15 (28:50):
We've given you this alternative suspects or two. Now you
rule them out.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
So, Ryan Brown, you're completely correct, And even under US
Supreme Court rulings and in this jurisdiction Georgia Supreme Court rulings,
the defense can't just say, oh, well, there were some
other break ins in the area, so that was them. No,
you're right, you got to have a particular person to blame.
Here's a great example. Brian Coburger was desperately looking for
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somebody else to blame, and now we find out he
planned to blame one of the victim's friends. Yeah, and
crucify that innocent person. Yeah, there has to be a person.
He just can't go in and claim, Hey, we think
the burglar from down the street did it. He's never
been apprehended, but I'm pretty sure it was him. You
(29:39):
can't put that to a jury. You're right, Ryan Brown,
You got to have a.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Specific some other dude did it. But then, as you know, Ryan.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
The suspects behavior before, during, and after the incident can
come before the jury. I hope you're sitting down for this, listen.
Speaker 16 (30:01):
Sarah Grace Patrick spends a lot of time on TikTok,
creating content and asking for other influencers to keep the
case alive and solve the murders of her mother and stepdad.
As weeks dragged by with no arrest, she's engaging with
true crime creators in an effort to get them to
cover the story. The odd grab for attention is not
lost on family members, who now see many things Sarah
(30:24):
Grace has done as red.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Flags crime stories with Nancy Grace. So while she's busy talking,
Ryan Brown, how do you think a jury, if there
ever is one, is going to respond to her spending
all of her time in full hair and makeup tiktoking. Oh,
(30:49):
of course, except for the ones where she gets in
full hair and makeup and then starts crying and snotting. Remember,
she had to put on all that hair and makeup
before she could cry it all off. So in the
days following mommy and Daddy's assassination in the home with
her down the hall, she gets some full hair and
makeup and then cries it off on TikTok.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
How do you think that'll set Ryan Brown?
Speaker 15 (31:12):
Well, I think it's going to be very important for
the jury to know. Hey, look, we're talking about victim
blaming your husband a lot of that. She's a victim.
In our theory. This can blame her for how she's grieving.
We're not going to blame her for how she's acting,
how she's dressing, how she's crying, whether there's not tears, sniffles,
whatever it may be. She's a victim too. Her her parents,
step parent were murdered. Don't judge, don't you know, blame
(31:36):
her for how she's reacting. Don't put the blame on this.
She is a sixteen year old. Nobody on the jury
is a world. You don't know how sixteen year old
is going to grieve. Let's focus on the real issue here.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
You can remember I remember being sixteen, and even at sixteen,
the highlight of my day is when my mom would
pull up the driveway and toot the horn coming home
from work.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Yeah. I remember that.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
If there ever is a jury trial, they're going to
remember that too. And Janie, didn't you just tell us?
Janis is allegedly reportedly on TikTok, who was approached by
Sarah Grace Patrick no question about it, saying hey, hey, hey,
can I get a little pr about my mom and
dad's brutal murder.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
It'll be a really big hit. It's number one on Google. Janis,
isn't that true?
Speaker 13 (32:23):
Absolutely? And then she began commenting things on the video
I posted. Someone asked what weapon would used in this
crime and she replied with a gun emoji. Someone said that,
you know, from an investigative standpoint, it seems like this
would have been someone that knew the family, and Sarah
Grace replied and said, it sure would seem like it
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because they knew the house very haunting.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Oh oh man, oh man.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
You know what, every once in a while, Chris Bayer
is joining me PI, private investigator, owner of Buyer's Investigative Services,
former police chief John's Creek, Georgia. Chris Buyers, don't you
love it when Heaven just drops evidence in your lap?
Speaker 1 (33:05):
You don't even have to look for it.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Come on, you just heard Janice aka also known as
allegedly reportedly on TikTok where basically Sarah Grace Patrick is
giving the police all the information as if they couldn't
find it themselves. They did, but had to be somebody
that knew the house, had to be somebody that had.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Been in there before. Put this a little gun emoji.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
When someone asked what was the murder weapon, which, by
the way, was never found, Chris Buyers, she might as
well just give an all out confession.
Speaker 16 (33:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 17 (33:42):
Absolutely, very narcissistic and wants to be the center of attention,
and she just laid out everything that the police needed.
Of Course, like you said, they would have found it anyway,
that would be the first things that they're looking at.
But yeah, thank you. For helping us out making our
investigation even easier.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
You know. Another issue is then in the midst all
of this, the eulogy begins to be analyzed online. The
eulogy that Sarah Grace Patrick so gut wrenchingly delivered about
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her parents.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Listen.
Speaker 12 (34:23):
Sarah Grace Patrick's eulogy is captured on cell phone camera,
and many who watch it suggests the speech is a
red flag. Jamie Brock's niece, Kristin Dauta says she sat
in the front row during the service and even though
Sarah Grace's voice sounded like she was crying, Kristin never
saw a tear. Kristin Douda finds the cell phone video
online and shares it on her personal Facebook page.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Katie Forrester joining US Investigative Reporter Assistant Exclusives editor, What
did you observe and what was noticed by others regarding
her eulogy? I mean that takes technical legal term.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
You may not be familiar with this.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Katie Forrester bars the size of coconuts to get up
on that stage and eulogize the parents that police believe
she murdered in cold blood as they're asleep.
Speaker 9 (35:11):
I mean I think there are a lot of teenagers
that wouldn't even be able to get up to speak regardless,
even if they hadn't murdered their own parents. I think
it takes a lot of confidence to get up there,
so to then get up there and make most of
the speech about yourself, and then also at the end,
the thing that police had mentioned was that at the
end she said something like I'm sorry or she said sorry,
(35:35):
and that was sort of out of place, and officials
have said that that was another red flag. But just
the way she spoke about them and the way she
was talking about herself d'Or in it, you know, And
I can't.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
I cannot imagine.
Speaker 9 (35:47):
What it must have been like for people watching that
who were already suspicious of her, because we know that
the parents, their family and friends were already thinking that
she may be responsible.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
To doctor William Roney, joining US renowned medical examiner to psychologist,
opioid treatment expert, and author, doctor Maroney, I want to
talk again. I want to come back to the wounds
with gunshot wounds. How would you determine if there were
defensive wounds? What I'm getting at, doctor, is were they
(36:21):
executed in their sleep?
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Or did they wake up and try to protect themselves.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
Because we have sheets and blankets, you would have arms covered.
If gunshot residue is on hands, then they tried to
protect themselves and there were defensive posturing. If somebody has
(36:49):
a plain, simple frank, uncomplicated char gunshot wounds to the
chest and there's no gunshot residue on hands, there was
no defensive posturing.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Okay, I know, at the risk of being called very slow,
could you say that again. I just want to make
sure I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
How can you tell if there were defensive ones.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
If they test the hands of the victims and the
hands of the victims have gunshot residue on them, but
the hands were in the bed, then it's just like
this truffle powder. There's powder that's gunshot, powder, nitrates, sulfurs
(37:42):
on the victims hands the hands were up. If the
hands are under sheets and blankets and there's no powder
on the hands, then they were shot, plain, simple frank
(38:04):
execution without any defensive posturing.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
You know, this came up in the Brian Coburger case,
Doctor Maroney. We were originally led to believe that all
four of those beautiful young University i'd host students were
all murdered in their sleep. Then we find out after
the plea deal that they fought for their lives. Many
of them fought for their lives and one vic well
(38:31):
two one Kelly Gonsalves, was stabbed so many times in
the face she was disfigured. Another victim got up to
fifty stab ones. They were not killed in their sleep,
as if that's somehow better. If this mom and dad
had been murdered in their sleep, what would you have
(38:51):
expected to find at the scene.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
Very clearly, the gunshot on the skin would have had
no barriers, no resistance, and you'll find a round, charred
like tattoo, shaped exactly like the muzzle and the barrel
(39:16):
of the gun. It gets so hot it burns on
the skin, burns the shape of the gun on a
contact wound, and it's it's not something you can brush off.
It's burned. That would be a wound that has absolutely
(39:40):
no defensive posturing. Something. Plus, when the round enters the
body in a contact wound, gas from the barrel goes
in and it's it spreads the skin. We call a
stellate lesions. Stell eate means star like. It's kind of
(40:04):
a Latin term. And those sellate lesions prove that you
press that gun onto the neck or the chest or
the abdomen, and you blue gas into the skin and
it explodes as it goes in. Those are no defense,
(40:25):
one hundred percent execution style charred stellate lesions.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
So, doctor Moroney, gunshot residue, as you pointed out with
your truffle, powder can dissipate with just being rubbed off
very easily. But the tattooing from the hot gun and
the searing of the skin that cannot be brushed off, Okay,
you not physically are burned. This would you expect to
(40:53):
find as to the regarding the position of the bodies
if Mom and Dad had been shot in their sleep.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
Well, another thing that I've seen on site is that
if somebody is more animate or alive, they're moving around,
and sometimes the bullets buff the ribs or the bones
of the spine. When somebody's pressed into the bed, the
bullet will go through the person, through the bed and
(41:22):
into the floor. So having an animate body moving around
oftentimes means you're not going to get a gun shot
through the bed and into the carpet and into the floor.
A body that's asleep is not cassing any resistance back,
(41:42):
and all the power goes through the bullet, through the body,
through the bed, and into the floor. That's another big
sign when people are shot while they're sleeping.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Doctor William Roney A technical and a subtle but important question.
For instance, and the jody areas multiple stabbing murder Travis
Alexander twenty nine to thirty one stas, we don't really
know because the stabs were overlapping, and that's like stabbing jello.
You can't really tell how many times he was stabbed then.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Shot in the head.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Unlike stabbings, when someone is shot multiple times while on
the outside of the body, you may not be able
to tell how many gunshot wounds there were if they overlapped.
Inside the body, you can tell because the trajectory paths
of the bullets will be different, even though the outside
(42:36):
of the body may be mangled. Inside the body, when
you look at the path of the bullet, you'll see
distinct paths and you can tell how many times each
victim was shot.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Is that true?
Speaker 13 (42:47):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (42:49):
What we have in the autopsy suite is usually it's
like an aluminum rod. Sometimes it's a plastic rod. Sometimes
it's something that you might see in the garden shop Walmart,
and it's about this big. We begin with the end
(43:09):
at the point of the barrel, and then you pass
the rod through the body according to how many different shots.
You have to see what angle they all went at,
and that's how you'll follow because every single bullet has
(43:34):
to be accounted. And in a hospital setting, a smart
pathologist will send that body to radiology and they'll image
all the bullets in the body, or or they'll have
a mobile radiology come with a digital camera. And before
you do the autopsy, if you never have the gun,
(43:58):
if you never have the shell casings, you have the
number of bullets to count from X rays and that's
how you go through and every path is with the rod.
And at the end of your X ray you have
to account because you don't know how many times the
(44:21):
gun was fired if you're never going to get the gun,
and you still have to say shot number one, shot
number two, shot number three, and you follow the path
of the bullet by the rods and how many different rods,
and then you actually look at deformation. You know a
(44:41):
bullet that bounces off of ribs, it's going to be
smashed up. A bullet that goes only through soft tissue
is going to be less deformed. But you follow them
all with rods point of entry, and you begin with
X rays.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
The point is how many times did she allege reportedly
shoot her parents.
Speaker 5 (45:03):
From the very moment the nine one one call was received,
a relentless investigation began, one that would span months, consume
thousands of man hours, and require the full weight of
the local and federal law enforcement agency partnerships. Today we
can confirm that an arrest has been made in the case.
Kristen Brock's seventeen year old daughter, Sarah Grace Patrick, has
(45:28):
been taken into custody and charged with two counts of
murder and two counts of aggravated assault in connection with
the death of her mother and her stepfather.
Speaker 6 (45:38):
The defendant is charged with the brutal murders of my
brother Technique and my sister in law while they were
lying in their bed.
Speaker 18 (45:54):
Shot multiple times, including both shot.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
From Fox five Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
And of course, the first thing the so called evil
high school girl does is try to get bond listen
personal safety.
Speaker 7 (46:15):
If the defendant can kill her own parents. Is such
a violent.
Speaker 6 (46:23):
Villain man a fear from own safety and safety in
my family and friends.
Speaker 7 (46:30):
The possibility that she can harm us is terrifying.
Speaker 19 (46:33):
I am deeply concerned for the safety of my family.
The gruesome and violent details of this case have shown
me that the defendant has a disturbing lack of regard
for human life. If someone is capable of what happened here,
then I can not ignore the real possibility that she
could pose a threat to those of us left behind,
(46:54):
especially she.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Were released on bond from our friends Fox five Atlanta,
Katie Forrester, Yes, no, she was denied bond, right, yes
she was, and.
Speaker 7 (47:05):
We all expected that.
Speaker 10 (47:07):
I mean, these charges are so strong, and police do not,
you know, arrest somebody and put together so many charges
for a seventeen year.
Speaker 9 (47:15):
Old if they don't have a lot of evidence, as
I've said in the.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
Press commerce and then of course Katie Katie, immediately when
Barna's denied, she started the crying and the snarting, right
I've always We've got a video of the crying and
crying throughout.
Speaker 9 (47:30):
I think there was kind of more crocodile tea is
when people were giving witness statements. When they were talking
about her character statements, she was she was sort of
it looked to me like sort of fake crying throughout that,
and then she she is bond. She was actually crying. Yeah,
so she started.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
So we're showing her right now, Katie, You're absolutely correct.
The crying, the snarting that's in her bond hearing.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
Ryan Brown, what do you do with that?
Speaker 2 (47:58):
That's why our friends at Fox five Atlanta. Are you
going to let her continue with the crying and the
snotting in front of the jury.
Speaker 15 (48:04):
Yeah, so you know at the bond here, you're not
too worried about it, no jury present, but you know,
I think it's good for somebody to be themselves in
front of a jury, right you can you run the
risk of if you coach somebody up too much, till
them not to be emotional and control themselves in a
certain way. You're more concerned about a client kind of
being dismissive and kind of huffing and puffing in front
of a jury, you know, and kind of acting out.
(48:27):
But you know, when you see tears, if I'm her lawyer,
I don't care she's sad or she's got people she
loves that are murdered. Somebody else murder He she's a
crime victim. She's being falsely prosecuted, cry away. I've got
no problem.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
With it, and very quickly Chris Buyers, private investigator Buyer's
Investigative Service as former police chief Buyers, we don't have
the murder weapon. War two weapons used, multiple gunshot wounds,
So question where's.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
The murder weapon?
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Money fade her the murder weapon is somebody helping her?
Speaker 6 (49:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 17 (49:04):
One of the other things that's huge in that that
it's a big shame for me and I have not
seen in any of the reporting is where there's showcasings left?
Do they have any showcasings that they can run through
the National Integrated Ballistics Database to try to see with
this gun, you know the history of this gun, where
this gun came from. But yes, the murder weapon being
(49:26):
gone what you want. That's one of the key things
when you're an investigator. You show up to this scene
and you want to know how they were murdered and
where is the weapon that did it? So very possibly,
very possibly she has somebody else helping her. You heard
the Public Information officer from Carroll County Sheriff's apartment said
(49:47):
in the end that more arrest could be coming, So
that leads you to believe, you know, did she have help?
Did she have help hiding this, planning this? Was there
somebody else there? All these different things investigators are sounds
like they're still looking into.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
As we wait for justice to unfold.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
We remember an American hero, Deputy Sheriff Jody Hull Saint
John's County Sheriff's, Florida, killed in the line of duty,
leaving behind a grieving wife, Kelly, and seven children.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
American hero Deputy Sheriff Jody Hall. Nancy Gray signing off
goodbye friend
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