More details are coming about the death of Pfc Vanessa Guillen. Natalie Kwaham, attorney for the Guillen family, tell us how this 20-year-old soldier is bludgeoned and then dismembered.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Natalie Kwaham - attorney for Vanessa Guillen family
- Tim Miller, Texas Equusearch
- Dr Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst, Beverly Hills, ww.drbethanymarshall.com
- Joseph Scott Morgan - Professor of Forensics Jacksonville State University, Author,"Blood Beneath My Feet"
- Olivia Levada KXXV TV reporter
During the interview with 'Crime Stories with Nancy Grace,' Attorney Natalie Kwaham, stated Cecily Aguilar was let out on bond today. CrimeOnline has confirmed Aguilar is still in custody and being processed.
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The body of this beautiful girl, Vanessa Gain just twenty
years old. Family. We had hoped that we had prayed,
but the search has ended. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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The search has ended, and now more questions than answers
as we learn her murder could totally have been prevented,
and at this hour we learn the horrific details of
what this girl lived through before she was murdered and
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buried in a vault of cement. I'm Nancy Grace. This
is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Take
a listen to this. People have been searching endlessly in
this area for Private First Class Vanessa Gillon now new
Today officials as well as the Ghee family are waiting
on an autopsy report to confirm identification of those remains.
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The head of Equisearch, the team responsible for locating the
remains here, say that they found them yesterday in a
shallow grave, CODC, very close to where they've been searching
all alta. They were in Washington, DC when they got
the news that left them heartbroken. Almost all remains have
been found at the same location that the investigation continues. Here.
You are hearing our friends there at Fox forty four
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News That was Kendall Green reporting on the discovery of
her body. But with me, the man who searched Anne
helped find Vanessa, Tim Miller, our friend crime victim. Also
with me, doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned psycho analyst, joining me
out of Beveral University, author of Blood Beneath My Fate
on Amazon, Joseph Scott Morgan, Death Investigator special guest, Natalie Kawan,
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the attorney for Vanessa's family. But right now to Olivia
leveda k xx VTV reporter who's been on the case
from the very beginning. Olivia, it just seems to get
worse because now we are learning about all the sex
harassment this young girl went through but didn't reap more.
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Do we know about the way her body was found? Olivia?
You know we've been covering this story since Vanessa went missing,
and to learn yesterday that her body, the body was
found in a shallow grave with cement and rocks and
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dirt poured over it. To anyone a cousin and aunt
of course a mom to think that this freshly mixed
cement was poured over her body, as Tim Miller described
for us to Natalie Kawan, joining us right now, who
has been with Vanessa's family throughout this horrible ordeal, And Natalie,
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I just driving his vehicle from one search spot to
the next and gets a phone call from the family
and they're saying, well, what what what? We don't know anything,
what happened? And what more do we know? Right now? Natalie,
horrible horrible details emerging about Vanessa's brutal death. And that's
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a light stomach. Do not listen to this if you
want me to go into the details, Nancy, Well, I
gotta tell you something, Natalie. I've been to a lot
of murder scenes and attended a lot of autopsies, but
it hits me hard every time I hear the details
because I look at Vanessa and sister Ira tells us
loving and to hear how she was murdered. But you
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know what, as I tell Joy's Natalie, we cannot turn
away from the truth. We cannot what happened. So yesterday,
after our press conference, we received a phone call from
the CIA telling us that the top agent they're all
in DC. They want to meet with us at four pm,
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um CD guy in DC. It was two others. It
was about four or five men that wanted to meet
with us and speak to us. UM. They said, we
heard what you said. We know you're doing these press conferences,
and we just said, okay, it's about time. UM. And
they had the two other agents that were involved in
this in this UM investigation also available by Skype on
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that laptop. We go and we met at said JW. Marriott.
I got an executive office space fill twenty second. Vanessa
did go to work UM. Aaron Robinson met her in
the armory room and Aaron said was actually harassing her.
She goes into the armory room to UM do her
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world pictures of Sicily his girlfriend information background information. Cecially
is married to a former soldier. So Vanessa said, we're
a carried person. You know. It's not only wrong, but
it's also against the military rules. It's not right. I'm
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going I have to report it. He said, no, you're not.
You're not going to ruin my career. He said. He
grabbed the first thing he could find, and that was
a hammer, and started bludgeoning her head over and over.
She wasn't getting knocked down quick enough, so he kept
the bludgeoning, bludgeoning, bludgeoning her head skull in the armory room.
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The whole place was silvered blood. He took her body
and put it in I want to say pelican briefields.
He wheeled it out. He put it on the side
of the armory room. He went home. Six pm comes around,
He enters the base. He takes her body. He picks
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it to that lake or the river, puts it there,
and decides he can't do this by himself. He can't
you bury her. He needs help. He caused his girlfriend,
the sfily girl, the one who is and he calls her.
He said, get in the car. She gets in the
car and he tells her, I have Vanessa's body in
a pelican grief at the lake. I need your help
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to bury her. They go to the to the river,
say go to the river. They first try to set
her light her body on fire. They try to burn
her body. They can't burn her body. They're having a
hard time burning her body. Then they decide to take
the machete out and start machetting, dismembering her whole body.
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They try to destroy it, try to put it in
different places, bury it. They use some kind of quick
quick quick dry, some kind of stemm it um a product,
and try to. They do a shallow grave, put the
sim on it, and they get rid of basically the evidence.
They threw the machete out the window. By the way,
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with her phone they threw they destroyed her phone and
threw out the window. They threw the hammer out the
window when they're driving. This is what they're saying, and
they go about their business. Ironically. This all happened between
one and four, you know, about minutes to four in
the morning when they were burning her body and dismembering
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her body with a machete. That time was when and
that's as sister Myra was arriving at the base. While
she's looking for her sister, they are dismembering her body.
Just really disgusting and spur I mean, I cried just
listening to this whole story. They tell us that he
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did this crime between ten twenty three, ten thirty and
eleven thirteen in the room, which makes no sense. Has
and the rebuttal over and he killed and cleans up
the whole crime scene in forty three minutes. I asked
questions as to how can no one have seen this
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in the video cameras, How can no one has heard
her screaming in the armory room when he was bludgeoning her. Um.
Then let's go go fast forward all this evidence, the statements,
the witnesses. You know, someone did see her him struggling
to take that um that pelican brief to his car.
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These people came forward and spoke about it. Some people
talked about you know, seeing him all that stuff, um,
but they still did not They still did not get
a warrant for his arrest or anything. They continued, I
could want to say to use conformatory bias, so couldn't
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be him. He had a polygrapher, they said, the best
polygrapher out there, who refused to get polygraph. But the
polygrapher then interviewed him and said, he's absolutely lying, going
to his own suicide when he was seeing kept them
on the base. They were able to bring charges of
or not charges, but keep him on the base. With
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the COVID stuff. They were able to tell him that
he should stay on the base because he can't go
in and out with COVID, and that he was going
to be hit with an affair kind of like you know,
the cactivation for capone. They don't want to come after
him for the murder they went to do the fair thing.
When they held him back, they said, you can't leave,
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You can't leave the base. How did this happen, By
the way, all these holes in this case. He said
he's going to the other room. They said, you're not
allowed to leave this room, and somehow he walked out,
went and escaped the base. They went he ran on foot.
I understand two hours later they were able to find him.
And how he got a gun again between that time,
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how he even had a gun, you know, they say
it was his own personal gun. But that's when they
came up to him and he shot himself before they
could arrest him. So I got more information if you
want to ask me questions. I mean, I'm sure everybody's
in shock right now because I'm film shocked. It's so
much information I could hardly take it in. No, no,
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don't be because this is the truth and he could
have been brought to justice had the army acted. And
I find it very very difficult to believe that this guy,
who I understand is one of the same guys that
sex harassed her, was never brought to justice. Now, cheating
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with a married woman married to a former officer, a
former military person, and they have a polygrapher saying he's lying.
They have witnesses stating they saw him struggling with the
pelican case to put it in a car. I wouldn't
be surprised if he's not the one that called her
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into work that day. They say that wasn't And this
is where I believe that there's some cover up here,
because they say it wasn't him. And they said that
the persons that saw the three NCOs that saw her
around one o'clock PM then changed her story to eleven
thirty am. That's why they were having confusion as to
her whereabouts in the parking lot. It seemed like there
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were so many people covering up the roommate. By the way,
I understand his roommate maybe hit with some charges for
lying because they said he was there that night. But
this is what's the most terrible thing. That girl sicily
she dismembered a US soldier's body. She is this is
what isis does to our soldiers. They dismember our bodies.
She did this. She shouldn't be hit with terrorists. I
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cannot believe this woman. She hacked apart a p FC,
a female. She stood over a bonfire, cackling like a witch.
And in that bonfire is the remains of Vanessa gim
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Tim Miller joining me from Texas Equisearch, who led the
search to find Vanessa at the very beginning when she
went missing. Tim, what we are now learning from the
Army CID now they want to have a meeting with
the family's lawyer, not during all the families suffering. Now
they suddenly call a high level meeting. Okay, you know what,
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I'm not impressed, and my dad was in the military.
I am not impressed one bit. But what we're hearing
from Army CID through the family lawyer, Natalie Kawan, fits
with every single thing you told us. Tim Miller describe, Well,
you know what, Nancy, I normally don't put out information
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that I know on an investigation like this, but I
felt thought there was a cover up. I know, I'm
the most hated person in what the military right now
because I said all this stuff. That's a reason I
said all this stuff was hopefully somebody would start talking
and get out there. And I knew, Nancy, they minute
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that we found that burn pile and that Pelican case,
that it had something to do with it, and I
can tell you this or effect. This CID investigator that
was out there with us when we found that didn't
think it had any revalence to the case. We had
to push and push and push him, and he said, well,
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the case didn't looked like that. And one of our
people actually googled the Pelican case and showed him the
picture before he was willing to even go to the
site to look at it. I just don't understand why.
It's like pulling a tooth to Olivia Leveda k xx VTV,
it's like holding the Army down, sitting on their chest
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and pulling their teeth pliers to get them to do anything. Why, Olivia,
you know what? Nancy? I wish I could answer that question,
but I can tell you this. I can count on hands, fingers, toes, etc.
The amount of times that we have reached out asking questions,
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receiving press releases, and it's not till today that the
Army has even scheduled a formal press conference. It's frustrating
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crime stories with Nancy Grace. I have a hard time
believing back to you to you know what. Let me
go to dtor Bethany Marshall on this like Kallen's joining
side of Beverly Hills. I found it really hard to
believe that this coat. Why was Vanessa called in that day?
I have a theory, and I find it hard to
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believe that nobody else knew she was there except her shower.
I have a theory. I think Aaron Robinson was a
bad actor for a long long time. I think the
military knew that he was sexually harassing women. I do
not think that Vanessa was the only victim. I think
there are people very high up. There's a powerful group
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psychology where they started protecting their own months ago. So
in order to how the family be transparent bring Aaron
to justice, they would have to point a finger back
at themselves and acknowledge that there was mounting evidence that
he was harassing women on the base the fact that
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he was having an affair with Cecily Aguilera, a woman
who hacked up Vanessa's body. That doesn't just happen in
an hour, a day, or three weeks or three months.
These kinds of malevolent activities they build up over months
and years. So I think that the military is the
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reason you said it was like getting the truth is
like sitting on their chest and kind of beating it
out of them is because in them telling the family
and being transparent, they have to acknowledge that they are
complicit in Vanessa's death. They looked the other way. We
have to think about group psychology when the higher ups
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know that one of their own is sexually harassing, is
having affairs, is mistreating women on the base, and they
do nothing, and all of a sudden he bludgends her
with a hammer. You know, Natalie Kuama is right. You
cannot clean up crime scene in forty three minutes. Those men,
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those higher ups walked into the armory. They saw blood
all over the place and it was like, rut row,
what are we going to do now? They've been getting
their facts in order for a long long time. Nancy,
we are just pulling on a small piece of thread. Today.
You are going to keep pulling and pulling and pulling
on this show. And Natalie, You're going to keep pulling
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and so much more is going to come out. Just
got Morgan, Professor forensics, Jacksonall State University, and author. Take
a listen to what I'm asking Natalie, okay, because I
want you to analyze it. Natalie Kawan. I'm this is
why I keep asking this, Why was she called in?
Because in my mind, Natalie, of course you're practicing lawyer,
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Natalie Kawan, the lawyer for the Vanessagian family. There are
no coincidences in criminal law typically, so I find it
really odd and quite the coincidence that she gets called
in by a superior and then somehow she ends up
alone in the armory with her killer, Aaron Robinson. He
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bludgeons her dead. The place is covered, it's a blood bass.
She's covered, everything's covered in blood. And he somehow manages
to secrete her body into a pelican case in one
of those big black plastic rough and tough plastic containers
and leaves it there for all these hours, and nobody
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sees anything. Nobody knows. This is a small munition's repair armory. Okay,
it's a workroom. She's in. It's big, she's in there.
Nobody sees a thing, Nobody sees. All the blood hours pass,
he goes home, he gets cleaned up, he goes and
buys all this quick dry cement and tarps or everything
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he needed. He comes back what what what? Nobody saw anything? Who?
And the hay called her in and why Natalie, Yeah,
you know who called her in? They say that it
was I gotta look at my notes again, But there
was someone else. They said that, And my argument is
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this was premeditated. There's no way, because I said, how
did he get towns? Are they inside? I know I've
been in the armory room. There's no towels in there,
there's no cleaning solutions in there. How did he? Oh,
he went down across the building. They've made it up obviously,
But I said, they said, you're right, there's no towels.
And I said, so he must have had to go
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out and got them or brought them in with him,
which is premeditated. But there's no way he could have
done that for three minutes. Nancy, When I tell you
you're you're an attorney, there's so many holes. How did
you not? They've never ever subpoened her text messages. I said,
I thought you said you set there's incompetency, the conformatory bias,
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the ways that say it did this investigation, they should
all be terminated. They are all part of this problem. Well,
I think it's more than that, Natalie Kawam, because the
reason I keep asking who called her in because did
they call her in because Aaron Robinson wanted them to
or suggested to? Did she really have anything she had
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to do that day? And then suddenly when she goes missing,
Robinson's superior didn't say, hey, why did you want her
called in? I mean, where was the oversight? Where was
the supervision? To Joe Scott Morgan, what I'm getting at
is this is bigger than just Aaron Robinson and his
married girlfriend, Cecily Aguilera. It's bigger than that. And I
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swear to Holy God in Heaven, I'm not letting this loose.
I am not letting it not the Army's worried about me,
but I can tell you this much, I am not
letting this loose. How could all this happen? You were
in the military, Joseph Scott Morgan. What nobody goes in
the armory and the blood's lying there, nobody sees anything,
nobody smells anything, nobody hears anything, that cameras don't work.
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How did all of that happen? Joe Scott, Well, it's
lack of ability. Nancy. If this guy is what's referred
to as like her ncoic, which is her non commissioned
officer in charge, which I suspect is the case. They
worked in kind of a sequestered area anyway, because there's
very few people that have direct access to arms rooms
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most of the time. Now I understand this is a
repair area, but you've also got weapons in there that
they all have access to, so that would have facilitated
him having time with her. I think what's key is
what you were saying, who drew her in? Was it him?
Was he actually her immediate supervisor? You know, because this
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is an ongoing thing with weapons. You know, they're taking
them out in the field, they're getting dirty, they're getting broken.
You have to bring them back into this location in
order to facilitate the repair of them. And I've heard
people say she came in to do her work, and
she would you have to you know, kind of like that,
you know the old scene from the Lucy Show where
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they're trying to put the chocolates, you know, in their
dress and they're eating them. With these kinds of units
in the army, it's always stacking up. You have to
have a schedule that you have to stay too. So
did they do that as a premise to get her
there to come in. Remember she didn't show up. She
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showed up in like workout clothes. And I understand. I've
heard some people say that that was acceptable. It never
was when I was in. You had to show up
in the uniform of the day, and so I found
that a little suspicious as well. You know, she's like
in jogging pants, she's got a T shirt on, joggers on.
So that's kind of odd to me. What's key, though,
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here is the copious and I mean volumes of blood
that would have issued forth from this. As Natalie mentioned
a moment ago, a hammer was you in order to
facilitate her death. In other words, she was beaten to
death with this thing, and it creates such a volume
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of blood, not just from blood dripping from her head,
but we begin to think about things like cast off patterns,
where Nancy, if people at home will just think about
taking a paint brush and dipping it into a paint
bucket and slinging it over their shoulder. If that happens,
you're gonna get blood all over, you know, all over
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the ceiling. You'll get it on the walls, the adjacent walls,
It'll be dripping off on the floor or the individual
that has done this. I've worked many hammer attacks, Nancy,
and I can tell you that the person that engages
in this is also going to be covered with blood,
So how does he go about disguising that as well.
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I'm real curious about the timeline here. No, in answer
to Natalie's question, there is no way, no way under
heaven that this guy could have cleaned up that room
in forty three minutes so that no one would would
have noticed. You'd have to have a number of cleaning supplies.
And even after say you do the initial cleaning, you've
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still got to deal with the body. That means a
body has to be wrapped up because she's got this
gaping injury to her skull, so the head will have
to be wrapped. You'll have to get the body into
a bag or something. Right, That is a major problem.
So there are a lot of holes in this end.
I got another issue. I don't believe it went down
anything like Natalie Kawam was told by Army CID. I
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do not believe that Vanessa Game comes in, grabs the
killer's phone and goes, oh, here's a picture of Cecily Agilea.
You're seeing a married woman I'm going to report you
in oh. I think that she that he told her
she could not report him for sex harassment, and that
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she's that nobody would believe her, and that she said, well,
I bet they'll believe about your affair with Cecily Aguilera,
and that all hell broke loose. That's what happened. She
didn't grab his phone and instigate this whole thing. She
was trying to get away from him. You know, Tim Miller,
Texas Equisearch, what do you make based on what you
saw when Vanessa's body found in that shallow grave. They
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poured quick cement onto her skin to hide her. You
stated that they were searching in other areas, and now
we know why because they hacked her up with a
machette and buried parts of her body in different places. What,
if anything, did you see, Tim Miller, Texas Equisearch. They
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would support that theory. Well, again, what we've seen when
we first found the burn pile and the partial lead
off the Pelican case, we knew and nancyll want to
say this, these are on civilized animals. Nancy, we don't
even go to this extent when we are fighting our
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enemies in the war. It's just unthinkable. I mean, I
don't have words. We knew. We knew immediately something terrible,
terrible happened at that burn site, and again or the
investigator not to be interested in the beginning. When we
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found it, we just all shook our head and said,
what the hell's the matter with him? You know, the
fact that they would go to all this trouble. I
could just see these two in the night. It's like
double double boiled trouble, standing over a fire pit trying
to burn Vanessa's body, dismembered, hacked up. The image of
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that Natalie Kawam is overwhelming. This girl did nothing wrong, Natalie.
And you know, I got to say one of the
other things that really broke my heart. When they were
trying to figure out what it was her body or not,
they couldn't. I ask some mind to use your predential
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records her mouth, and they said that he bludgeoned her
head so badly did and couldn't even get a face
in one part. Was this all broken and shatters? I mean,
I just think of what that girl suffered just because
she was sexually harassed and was afraid. And this is
another thing, man, So think of it. I said to them,
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how was there? I know you guys account for your
hammers and everything. I done my research. Who counted for
that hammer that was missing? And they said, he admitted
that he lost the hammer. He took the hammer out
and lost it, and they let him go. I said,
wait a second, when somebody loses something or something's missing,
they're accountable. Did they punish him? Did they reprimand him
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because that's protocol? And they said no. And I said, so,
Matt of hammer's missing and the soldier's missing, and there's
a little one common denominator that had access to both
and that's the one person. And you guys still did
not think why is the hammer and a girl missing
at the same time? And then ready for this, they
did the checks. I said, how can you now have
not noticed that she was gone that three pm four
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pm check? They said that the person who did the
check cleared. I said, wait a second, I feel like
there's a cover up. There's a bunch of guys here
as a boys network, a bunch of guys helping each other,
covering up because you don't go this long with all
this obvious evidence. And they said that the guy who
did the check said, oh, yeah, I didn't. I didn't
check her. I said she was there, but I didn't.
And I said, well, this obviously makes me suspect about him.
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And they said, oh no, no, no. He admitted that
he always is sloppy. He doesn't do checks right. He
would be surprised at someone in Vegas and he wouldn't
know that. And I said, and you kept that as
an answer. Do you know why? I guys say it
was a complete disregard for the truth is this was mishandled.
The other thing is this Natalie Kawam, which might be
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a wonderful thing to add into I hope a lawsuit
that you're going to file. But Natalie Kawam, attorney for
Vanessa Gean's family. She's missing, the hammer's missing. They know
she was called in on her day off. They don't
search the area in the armory for blood evidence or
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any other evidence. I mean at four thirty when she didn't,
when they didn't cut mustard, she wasn't there. They didn't
look for her. I mean, this is contrary to everything
we know to be true about the military, or think
we know. Let me understand something that you said, Natalie Kawam.
Her head was bludgeoned so badly. I know her skull
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was shattered. What did you say about the dentist trying
to identify her by teeth X ray? That's correct. They
couldn't get her or dental cavity. Everything was bludgeons in
her face, in her skull that they couldn't even use
her face for her skull for any kind of bone
or recognition. They said they found her hair though, but
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her face was so bludgeoned that her they couldnt get
the dental records or do that kind of confirmation of
on top two of her face. It's just disgusting. Its
hainous that the heinous crime is her family jesting all
of this information. Nancy. I hate to say this that
they haven't told the mother. They won't tell her mom.
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Her mom. This has been bedridden for not a couple
of days. When I arrived, I didn't tell you the
guy assist. But when I arrived DC. The family arrived
to DC two days ago. That was when they found
her body. They didn't tell the mother. But ironically, when
they found her, I went to their hotels to talk
to them and tell them, and the mother was outside
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with paramedics and an ambulance and everything was out front
of the Jacob Maria and I thought, oh God, he
don't let this see the family, And of course it was.
The mother was showing signs of a heart attack and everything.
She said, something's wrong, something wrong, and they didn't tell her.
It still won't tell her that they found her body.
She knew, she said, something doesn't feel right. She has
been in bed for the last couple of days while
we have been going through this. I can't imagine what's
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going to happen when she finds out they don't want
to tell her, you know, Doctor Bethany Marshall. To this day,
I still have night terrors and nightmares about my fiance's murder.
That was a long time ago. I just I can't
even imagine what this family is going through. And to
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also know that the army failed her in such a
horrible way, Nancy, and the fact that it's so there's
so many unknowns. As I've said so many times before,
in the face of the unknown, we read into it
are worse possible fears and anxieties and theories. But in
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this case, the facts are so much worse than any
negative fantasy that a mother could have. I think at
Aaron Robinson in Sicily Aguilera, I think they had so
much to hide, Aaron, a sex predator, Sicily having an affair,
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and they vilified Vanessa because of their own bad acts.
She became the scapegoat. She became the person who was
blamed for everything, all their multiple lives. Can you imagine
Aaron in Sicily lying to spouses and partners and superiors
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and colleagues and vilifying Vanessa again and again until they
built up this urban myth that Vanessa was a bad person,
and then she got blood into death, and then the
superiors saw the blood and they looked the other way.
And who was Vanessa? That She's a beautiful, beautiful twenty
year old with her whole life ahead of her. In
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family therapy, we have a term called the identified patient.
It's when you have a really crazy family, but they
bring one person to therapy and they say that that
person's crazy, when in fact, the entire family's crazy. On
the fourth Hood Compound, Vanessa became the identified patient, the
one that everyone pointed the finger at, not just Aaron
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in Sicily, but the entire group of men there. And
she was an innocent young woman. It's so tragic. I
want to go back to our longtime friend and colleague,
Tim Miller, crime victim. They turned his suffering into action
with Texas Equisearch. Tim Miller. I look at the picture
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of Vanessa Gay in life, and she's young, she's beautiful,
she loves her country. All she wants to do is
be in the army. That's it, and go home on
weekends to see her family and her boyfriend. That's all
she wants. Tell me the scene that you discovered when
you and others found Vanessa's body, what did you see? Well,
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it was it was shocking, to say the least, and
how close it was to the burn pile. And I
just stood and I stared, and I stared and I
stared and just tried to digest so the whole scene,
and it's not digested yet. I've seen a lot of things,
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and then what we do, Just when you think you've
seen everything, something new pops up. And this was something new.
We've lost sleep, we've shed tears, we try to get
some answers. There's no answer that's there's not an answer
out there that's going to take any of the pain
away from family from us what we've seen and and
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you know, a lot of times I got a lot
of things. It's talked about it, and this time I don't.
It's still trying to digest that scene and what happened
and that fire, and that fire was so high, Nancy,
it was burning tree limbs fifteen feet above the damn fire.
They made that fire hot. There was a tire at
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that fire too, and we know when you put a
tire and a fire, it burns even hotter. And you
know what, Nancy, there is still plastic out there that
they did not take in for evidence. And I'm not
saying a little bit of plastic. And it was trying
to figure out why in the hell didn't they take
everything that was here. All they took was that part
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of that lid. There was still stuff out there. Yeah,
this investigation was botched terribly, terribly. You know what, I
just did something I try not to ever do. And
it's tough in this line of business. But for anyone
that doesn't care about Vanessa, imagine that picture of her
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in her private first class unit form so proud, and
then put your daughter's face on top of that. That
is what her family is going through the thought someone
could do this to my girl like they did to Vanessa.
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Is there no justice now? The Army wants to have
a meeting with the family lawyer, and they're still delivering
a line of BS. I love the military, but there's
one thing I love more than the military, and that
is the truth. We wait as justice. Son of false
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Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off goodbye friend. During the
interview with Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Natalie Kam said
Cecily Aguilar was let out on bond today. Crime Online
has reached out to the Bell County Jail and confirmed
Aguilar is still in custody and being processed
The body of this beautiful girl, Vanessa Gain just twenty
years old. Family. We had hoped that we had prayed,
but the search has ended. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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The search has ended, and now more questions than answers
as we learn her murder could totally have been prevented,
and at this hour we learn the horrific details of
what this girl lived through before she was murdered and
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buried in a vault of cement. I'm Nancy Grace. This
is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Take
a listen to this. People have been searching endlessly in
this area for Private First Class Vanessa Gillon now new
Today officials as well as the Ghee family are waiting
on an autopsy report to confirm identification of those remains.
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The head of Equisearch, the team responsible for locating the
remains here, say that they found them yesterday in a
shallow grave, CODC, very close to where they've been searching
all alta. They were in Washington, DC when they got
the news that left them heartbroken. Almost all remains have
been found at the same location that the investigation continues. Here.
You are hearing our friends there at Fox forty four
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News That was Kendall Green reporting on the discovery of
her body. But with me, the man who searched Anne
helped find Vanessa, Tim Miller, our friend crime victim. Also
with me, doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned psycho analyst, joining me
out of Beveral University, author of Blood Beneath My Fate
on Amazon, Joseph Scott Morgan, Death Investigator special guest, Natalie Kawan,
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the attorney for Vanessa's family. But right now to Olivia
leveda k xx VTV reporter who's been on the case
from the very beginning. Olivia, it just seems to get
worse because now we are learning about all the sex
harassment this young girl went through but didn't reap more.
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Do we know about the way her body was found? Olivia?
You know we've been covering this story since Vanessa went missing,
and to learn yesterday that her body, the body was
found in a shallow grave with cement and rocks and
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dirt poured over it. To anyone a cousin and aunt
of course a mom to think that this freshly mixed
cement was poured over her body, as Tim Miller described
for us to Natalie Kawan, joining us right now, who
has been with Vanessa's family throughout this horrible ordeal, And Natalie,
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I just driving his vehicle from one search spot to
the next and gets a phone call from the family
and they're saying, well, what what what? We don't know anything,
what happened? And what more do we know? Right now? Natalie,
horrible horrible details emerging about Vanessa's brutal death. And that's
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a light stomach. Do not listen to this if you
want me to go into the details, Nancy, Well, I
gotta tell you something, Natalie. I've been to a lot
of murder scenes and attended a lot of autopsies, but
it hits me hard every time I hear the details
because I look at Vanessa and sister Ira tells us
loving and to hear how she was murdered. But you
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know what, as I tell Joy's Natalie, we cannot turn
away from the truth. We cannot what happened. So yesterday,
after our press conference, we received a phone call from
the CIA telling us that the top agent they're all
in DC. They want to meet with us at four pm,
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um CD guy in DC. It was two others. It
was about four or five men that wanted to meet
with us and speak to us. UM. They said, we
heard what you said. We know you're doing these press conferences,
and we just said, okay, it's about time. UM. And
they had the two other agents that were involved in
this in this UM investigation also available by Skype on
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that laptop. We go and we met at said JW. Marriott.
I got an executive office space fill twenty second. Vanessa
did go to work UM. Aaron Robinson met her in
the armory room and Aaron said was actually harassing her.
She goes into the armory room to UM do her
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world pictures of Sicily his girlfriend information background information. Cecially
is married to a former soldier. So Vanessa said, we're
a carried person. You know. It's not only wrong, but
it's also against the military rules. It's not right. I'm
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going I have to report it. He said, no, you're not.
You're not going to ruin my career. He said. He
grabbed the first thing he could find, and that was
a hammer, and started bludgeoning her head over and over.
She wasn't getting knocked down quick enough, so he kept
the bludgeoning, bludgeoning, bludgeoning her head skull in the armory room.
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The whole place was silvered blood. He took her body
and put it in I want to say pelican briefields.
He wheeled it out. He put it on the side
of the armory room. He went home. Six pm comes around,
He enters the base. He takes her body. He picks
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it to that lake or the river, puts it there,
and decides he can't do this by himself. He can't
you bury her. He needs help. He caused his girlfriend,
the sfily girl, the one who is and he calls her.
He said, get in the car. She gets in the
car and he tells her, I have Vanessa's body in
a pelican grief at the lake. I need your help
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to bury her. They go to the to the river,
say go to the river. They first try to set
her light her body on fire. They try to burn
her body. They can't burn her body. They're having a
hard time burning her body. Then they decide to take
the machete out and start machetting, dismembering her whole body.
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They try to destroy it, try to put it in
different places, bury it. They use some kind of quick
quick quick dry, some kind of stemm it um a product,
and try to. They do a shallow grave, put the
sim on it, and they get rid of basically the evidence.
They threw the machete out the window. By the way,
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with her phone they threw they destroyed her phone and
threw out the window. They threw the hammer out the
window when they're driving. This is what they're saying, and
they go about their business. Ironically. This all happened between
one and four, you know, about minutes to four in
the morning when they were burning her body and dismembering
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her body with a machete. That time was when and
that's as sister Myra was arriving at the base. While
she's looking for her sister, they are dismembering her body.
Just really disgusting and spur I mean, I cried just
listening to this whole story. They tell us that he
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did this crime between ten twenty three, ten thirty and
eleven thirteen in the room, which makes no sense. Has
and the rebuttal over and he killed and cleans up
the whole crime scene in forty three minutes. I asked
questions as to how can no one have seen this
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in the video cameras, How can no one has heard
her screaming in the armory room when he was bludgeoning her. Um.
Then let's go go fast forward all this evidence, the statements,
the witnesses. You know, someone did see her him struggling
to take that um that pelican brief to his car.
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These people came forward and spoke about it. Some people
talked about you know, seeing him all that stuff, um,
but they still did not They still did not get
a warrant for his arrest or anything. They continued, I
could want to say to use conformatory bias, so couldn't
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be him. He had a polygrapher, they said, the best
polygrapher out there, who refused to get polygraph. But the
polygrapher then interviewed him and said, he's absolutely lying, going
to his own suicide when he was seeing kept them
on the base. They were able to bring charges of
or not charges, but keep him on the base. With
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the COVID stuff. They were able to tell him that
he should stay on the base because he can't go
in and out with COVID, and that he was going
to be hit with an affair kind of like you know,
the cactivation for capone. They don't want to come after
him for the murder they went to do the fair thing.
When they held him back, they said, you can't leave,
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You can't leave the base. How did this happen, By
the way, all these holes in this case. He said
he's going to the other room. They said, you're not
allowed to leave this room, and somehow he walked out,
went and escaped the base. They went he ran on foot.
I understand two hours later they were able to find him.
And how he got a gun again between that time,
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how he even had a gun, you know, they say
it was his own personal gun. But that's when they
came up to him and he shot himself before they
could arrest him. So I got more information if you
want to ask me questions. I mean, I'm sure everybody's
in shock right now because I'm film shocked. It's so
much information I could hardly take it in. No, no,
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don't be because this is the truth and he could
have been brought to justice had the army acted. And
I find it very very difficult to believe that this guy,
who I understand is one of the same guys that
sex harassed her, was never brought to justice. Now, cheating
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with a married woman married to a former officer, a
former military person, and they have a polygrapher saying he's lying.
They have witnesses stating they saw him struggling with the
pelican case to put it in a car. I wouldn't
be surprised if he's not the one that called her
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into work that day. They say that wasn't And this
is where I believe that there's some cover up here,
because they say it wasn't him. And they said that
the persons that saw the three NCOs that saw her
around one o'clock PM then changed her story to eleven
thirty am. That's why they were having confusion as to
her whereabouts in the parking lot. It seemed like there
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were so many people covering up the roommate. By the way,
I understand his roommate maybe hit with some charges for
lying because they said he was there that night. But
this is what's the most terrible thing. That girl sicily
she dismembered a US soldier's body. She is this is
what isis does to our soldiers. They dismember our bodies.
She did this. She shouldn't be hit with terrorists. I
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cannot believe this woman. She hacked apart a p FC,
a female. She stood over a bonfire, cackling like a witch.
And in that bonfire is the remains of Vanessa gim
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Tim Miller joining me from Texas Equisearch, who led the
search to find Vanessa at the very beginning when she
went missing. Tim, what we are now learning from the
Army CID now they want to have a meeting with
the family's lawyer, not during all the families suffering. Now
they suddenly call a high level meeting. Okay, you know what,
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I'm not impressed, and my dad was in the military.
I am not impressed one bit. But what we're hearing
from Army CID through the family lawyer, Natalie Kawan, fits
with every single thing you told us. Tim Miller describe, Well,
you know what, Nancy, I normally don't put out information
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that I know on an investigation like this, but I
felt thought there was a cover up. I know, I'm
the most hated person in what the military right now
because I said all this stuff. That's a reason I
said all this stuff was hopefully somebody would start talking
and get out there. And I knew, Nancy, they minute
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that we found that burn pile and that Pelican case,
that it had something to do with it, and I
can tell you this or effect. This CID investigator that
was out there with us when we found that didn't
think it had any revalence to the case. We had
to push and push and push him, and he said, well,
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the case didn't looked like that. And one of our
people actually googled the Pelican case and showed him the
picture before he was willing to even go to the
site to look at it. I just don't understand why.
It's like pulling a tooth to Olivia Leveda k xx VTV,
it's like holding the Army down, sitting on their chest
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and pulling their teeth pliers to get them to do anything. Why, Olivia,
you know what? Nancy? I wish I could answer that question,
but I can tell you this. I can count on hands, fingers, toes, etc.
The amount of times that we have reached out asking questions,
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receiving press releases, and it's not till today that the
Army has even scheduled a formal press conference. It's frustrating
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crime stories with Nancy Grace. I have a hard time
believing back to you to you know what. Let me
go to dtor Bethany Marshall on this like Kallen's joining
side of Beverly Hills. I found it really hard to
believe that this coat. Why was Vanessa called in that day?
I have a theory, and I find it hard to
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believe that nobody else knew she was there except her shower.
I have a theory. I think Aaron Robinson was a
bad actor for a long long time. I think the
military knew that he was sexually harassing women. I do
not think that Vanessa was the only victim. I think
there are people very high up. There's a powerful group
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psychology where they started protecting their own months ago. So
in order to how the family be transparent bring Aaron
to justice, they would have to point a finger back
at themselves and acknowledge that there was mounting evidence that
he was harassing women on the base the fact that
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he was having an affair with Cecily Aguilera, a woman
who hacked up Vanessa's body. That doesn't just happen in
an hour, a day, or three weeks or three months.
These kinds of malevolent activities they build up over months
and years. So I think that the military is the
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reason you said it was like getting the truth is
like sitting on their chest and kind of beating it
out of them is because in them telling the family
and being transparent, they have to acknowledge that they are
complicit in Vanessa's death. They looked the other way. We
have to think about group psychology when the higher ups
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know that one of their own is sexually harassing, is
having affairs, is mistreating women on the base, and they
do nothing, and all of a sudden he bludgends her
with a hammer. You know, Natalie Kuama is right. You
cannot clean up crime scene in forty three minutes. Those men,
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those higher ups walked into the armory. They saw blood
all over the place and it was like, rut row,
what are we going to do now? They've been getting
their facts in order for a long long time. Nancy,
we are just pulling on a small piece of thread. Today.
You are going to keep pulling and pulling and pulling
on this show. And Natalie, You're going to keep pulling
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and so much more is going to come out. Just
got Morgan, Professor forensics, Jacksonall State University, and author. Take
a listen to what I'm asking Natalie, okay, because I
want you to analyze it. Natalie Kawan. I'm this is
why I keep asking this, Why was she called in?
Because in my mind, Natalie, of course you're practicing lawyer,
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Natalie Kawan, the lawyer for the Vanessagian family. There are
no coincidences in criminal law typically, so I find it
really odd and quite the coincidence that she gets called
in by a superior and then somehow she ends up
alone in the armory with her killer, Aaron Robinson. He
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bludgeons her dead. The place is covered, it's a blood bass.
She's covered, everything's covered in blood. And he somehow manages
to secrete her body into a pelican case in one
of those big black plastic rough and tough plastic containers
and leaves it there for all these hours, and nobody
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sees anything. Nobody knows. This is a small munition's repair armory. Okay,
it's a workroom. She's in. It's big, she's in there.
Nobody sees a thing, Nobody sees. All the blood hours pass,
he goes home, he gets cleaned up, he goes and
buys all this quick dry cement and tarps or everything
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he needed. He comes back what what what? Nobody saw anything? Who?
And the hay called her in and why Natalie, Yeah,
you know who called her in? They say that it
was I gotta look at my notes again, But there
was someone else. They said that, And my argument is
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this was premeditated. There's no way, because I said, how
did he get towns? Are they inside? I know I've
been in the armory room. There's no towels in there,
there's no cleaning solutions in there. How did he? Oh,
he went down across the building. They've made it up obviously,
But I said, they said, you're right, there's no towels.
And I said, so he must have had to go
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out and got them or brought them in with him,
which is premeditated. But there's no way he could have
done that for three minutes. Nancy, When I tell you
you're you're an attorney, there's so many holes. How did
you not? They've never ever subpoened her text messages. I said,
I thought you said you set there's incompetency, the conformatory bias,
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the ways that say it did this investigation, they should
all be terminated. They are all part of this problem. Well,
I think it's more than that, Natalie Kawam, because the
reason I keep asking who called her in because did
they call her in because Aaron Robinson wanted them to
or suggested to? Did she really have anything she had
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to do that day? And then suddenly when she goes missing,
Robinson's superior didn't say, hey, why did you want her
called in? I mean, where was the oversight? Where was
the supervision? To Joe Scott Morgan, what I'm getting at
is this is bigger than just Aaron Robinson and his
married girlfriend, Cecily Aguilera. It's bigger than that. And I
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swear to Holy God in Heaven, I'm not letting this loose.
I am not letting it not the Army's worried about me,
but I can tell you this much, I am not
letting this loose. How could all this happen? You were
in the military, Joseph Scott Morgan. What nobody goes in
the armory and the blood's lying there, nobody sees anything,
nobody smells anything, nobody hears anything, that cameras don't work.
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How did all of that happen? Joe Scott, Well, it's
lack of ability. Nancy. If this guy is what's referred
to as like her ncoic, which is her non commissioned
officer in charge, which I suspect is the case. They
worked in kind of a sequestered area anyway, because there's
very few people that have direct access to arms rooms
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most of the time. Now I understand this is a
repair area, but you've also got weapons in there that
they all have access to, so that would have facilitated
him having time with her. I think what's key is
what you were saying, who drew her in? Was it him?
Was he actually her immediate supervisor? You know, because this
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is an ongoing thing with weapons. You know, they're taking
them out in the field, they're getting dirty, they're getting broken.
You have to bring them back into this location in
order to facilitate the repair of them. And I've heard
people say she came in to do her work, and
she would you have to you know, kind of like that,
you know the old scene from the Lucy Show where
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they're trying to put the chocolates, you know, in their
dress and they're eating them. With these kinds of units
in the army, it's always stacking up. You have to
have a schedule that you have to stay too. So
did they do that as a premise to get her
there to come in. Remember she didn't show up. She
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showed up in like workout clothes. And I understand. I've
heard some people say that that was acceptable. It never
was when I was in. You had to show up
in the uniform of the day, and so I found
that a little suspicious as well. You know, she's like
in jogging pants, she's got a T shirt on, joggers on.
So that's kind of odd to me. What's key, though,
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here is the copious and I mean volumes of blood
that would have issued forth from this. As Natalie mentioned
a moment ago, a hammer was you in order to
facilitate her death. In other words, she was beaten to
death with this thing, and it creates such a volume
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of blood, not just from blood dripping from her head,
but we begin to think about things like cast off patterns,
where Nancy, if people at home will just think about
taking a paint brush and dipping it into a paint
bucket and slinging it over their shoulder. If that happens,
you're gonna get blood all over, you know, all over
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the ceiling. You'll get it on the walls, the adjacent walls,
It'll be dripping off on the floor or the individual
that has done this. I've worked many hammer attacks, Nancy,
and I can tell you that the person that engages
in this is also going to be covered with blood,
So how does he go about disguising that as well.
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I'm real curious about the timeline here. No, in answer
to Natalie's question, there is no way, no way under
heaven that this guy could have cleaned up that room
in forty three minutes so that no one would would
have noticed. You'd have to have a number of cleaning supplies.
And even after say you do the initial cleaning, you've
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still got to deal with the body. That means a
body has to be wrapped up because she's got this
gaping injury to her skull, so the head will have
to be wrapped. You'll have to get the body into
a bag or something. Right, That is a major problem.
So there are a lot of holes in this end.
I got another issue. I don't believe it went down
anything like Natalie Kawam was told by Army CID. I
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do not believe that Vanessa Game comes in, grabs the
killer's phone and goes, oh, here's a picture of Cecily Agilea.
You're seeing a married woman I'm going to report you
in oh. I think that she that he told her
she could not report him for sex harassment, and that
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she's that nobody would believe her, and that she said, well,
I bet they'll believe about your affair with Cecily Aguilera,
and that all hell broke loose. That's what happened. She
didn't grab his phone and instigate this whole thing. She
was trying to get away from him. You know, Tim Miller,
Texas Equisearch, what do you make based on what you
saw when Vanessa's body found in that shallow grave. They
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poured quick cement onto her skin to hide her. You
stated that they were searching in other areas, and now
we know why because they hacked her up with a
machette and buried parts of her body in different places. What,
if anything, did you see, Tim Miller, Texas Equisearch. They
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would support that theory. Well, again, what we've seen when
we first found the burn pile and the partial lead
off the Pelican case, we knew and nancyll want to
say this, these are on civilized animals. Nancy, we don't
even go to this extent when we are fighting our
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enemies in the war. It's just unthinkable. I mean, I
don't have words. We knew. We knew immediately something terrible,
terrible happened at that burn site, and again or the
investigator not to be interested in the beginning. When we
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found it, we just all shook our head and said,
what the hell's the matter with him? You know, the
fact that they would go to all this trouble. I
could just see these two in the night. It's like
double double boiled trouble, standing over a fire pit trying
to burn Vanessa's body, dismembered, hacked up. The image of
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that Natalie Kawam is overwhelming. This girl did nothing wrong, Natalie.
And you know, I got to say one of the
other things that really broke my heart. When they were
trying to figure out what it was her body or not,
they couldn't. I ask some mind to use your predential
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records her mouth, and they said that he bludgeoned her
head so badly did and couldn't even get a face
in one part. Was this all broken and shatters? I mean,
I just think of what that girl suffered just because
she was sexually harassed and was afraid. And this is
another thing, man, So think of it. I said to them,
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how was there? I know you guys account for your
hammers and everything. I done my research. Who counted for
that hammer that was missing? And they said, he admitted
that he lost the hammer. He took the hammer out
and lost it, and they let him go. I said,
wait a second, when somebody loses something or something's missing,
they're accountable. Did they punish him? Did they reprimand him
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because that's protocol? And they said no. And I said, so,
Matt of hammer's missing and the soldier's missing, and there's
a little one common denominator that had access to both
and that's the one person. And you guys still did
not think why is the hammer and a girl missing
at the same time? And then ready for this, they
did the checks. I said, how can you now have
not noticed that she was gone that three pm four
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pm check? They said that the person who did the
check cleared. I said, wait a second, I feel like
there's a cover up. There's a bunch of guys here
as a boys network, a bunch of guys helping each other,
covering up because you don't go this long with all
this obvious evidence. And they said that the guy who
did the check said, oh, yeah, I didn't. I didn't
check her. I said she was there, but I didn't.
And I said, well, this obviously makes me suspect about him.
(28:40):
And they said, oh no, no, no. He admitted that
he always is sloppy. He doesn't do checks right. He
would be surprised at someone in Vegas and he wouldn't
know that. And I said, and you kept that as
an answer. Do you know why? I guys say it
was a complete disregard for the truth is this was mishandled.
The other thing is this Natalie Kawam, which might be
(29:01):
a wonderful thing to add into I hope a lawsuit
that you're going to file. But Natalie Kawam, attorney for
Vanessa Gean's family. She's missing, the hammer's missing. They know
she was called in on her day off. They don't
search the area in the armory for blood evidence or
(29:22):
any other evidence. I mean at four thirty when she didn't,
when they didn't cut mustard, she wasn't there. They didn't
look for her. I mean, this is contrary to everything
we know to be true about the military, or think
we know. Let me understand something that you said, Natalie Kawam.
Her head was bludgeoned so badly. I know her skull
(29:45):
was shattered. What did you say about the dentist trying
to identify her by teeth X ray? That's correct. They
couldn't get her or dental cavity. Everything was bludgeons in
her face, in her skull that they couldn't even use
her face for her skull for any kind of bone
or recognition. They said they found her hair though, but
(30:06):
her face was so bludgeoned that her they couldnt get
the dental records or do that kind of confirmation of
on top two of her face. It's just disgusting. Its
hainous that the heinous crime is her family jesting all
of this information. Nancy. I hate to say this that
they haven't told the mother. They won't tell her mom.
(30:27):
Her mom. This has been bedridden for not a couple
of days. When I arrived, I didn't tell you the
guy assist. But when I arrived DC. The family arrived
to DC two days ago. That was when they found
her body. They didn't tell the mother. But ironically, when
they found her, I went to their hotels to talk
to them and tell them, and the mother was outside
(30:48):
with paramedics and an ambulance and everything was out front
of the Jacob Maria and I thought, oh God, he
don't let this see the family, And of course it was.
The mother was showing signs of a heart attack and everything.
She said, something's wrong, something wrong, and they didn't tell her.
It still won't tell her that they found her body.
She knew, she said, something doesn't feel right. She has
been in bed for the last couple of days while
we have been going through this. I can't imagine what's
(31:10):
going to happen when she finds out they don't want
to tell her, you know, Doctor Bethany Marshall. To this day,
I still have night terrors and nightmares about my fiance's murder.
That was a long time ago. I just I can't
even imagine what this family is going through. And to
(31:30):
also know that the army failed her in such a
horrible way, Nancy, and the fact that it's so there's
so many unknowns. As I've said so many times before,
in the face of the unknown, we read into it
are worse possible fears and anxieties and theories. But in
(31:51):
this case, the facts are so much worse than any
negative fantasy that a mother could have. I think at
Aaron Robinson in Sicily Aguilera, I think they had so
much to hide, Aaron, a sex predator, Sicily having an affair,
(32:13):
and they vilified Vanessa because of their own bad acts.
She became the scapegoat. She became the person who was
blamed for everything, all their multiple lives. Can you imagine
Aaron in Sicily lying to spouses and partners and superiors
(32:33):
and colleagues and vilifying Vanessa again and again until they
built up this urban myth that Vanessa was a bad person,
and then she got blood into death, and then the
superiors saw the blood and they looked the other way.
And who was Vanessa? That She's a beautiful, beautiful twenty
year old with her whole life ahead of her. In
(32:55):
family therapy, we have a term called the identified patient.
It's when you have a really crazy family, but they
bring one person to therapy and they say that that
person's crazy, when in fact, the entire family's crazy. On
the fourth Hood Compound, Vanessa became the identified patient, the
one that everyone pointed the finger at, not just Aaron
(33:16):
in Sicily, but the entire group of men there. And
she was an innocent young woman. It's so tragic. I
want to go back to our longtime friend and colleague,
Tim Miller, crime victim. They turned his suffering into action
with Texas Equisearch. Tim Miller. I look at the picture
(33:41):
of Vanessa Gay in life, and she's young, she's beautiful,
she loves her country. All she wants to do is
be in the army. That's it, and go home on
weekends to see her family and her boyfriend. That's all
she wants. Tell me the scene that you discovered when
you and others found Vanessa's body, what did you see? Well,
(34:06):
it was it was shocking, to say the least, and
how close it was to the burn pile. And I
just stood and I stared, and I stared and I
stared and just tried to digest so the whole scene,
and it's not digested yet. I've seen a lot of things,
(34:28):
and then what we do, Just when you think you've
seen everything, something new pops up. And this was something new.
We've lost sleep, we've shed tears, we try to get
some answers. There's no answer that's there's not an answer
out there that's going to take any of the pain
away from family from us what we've seen and and
(34:53):
you know, a lot of times I got a lot
of things. It's talked about it, and this time I don't.
It's still trying to digest that scene and what happened
and that fire, and that fire was so high, Nancy,
it was burning tree limbs fifteen feet above the damn fire.
They made that fire hot. There was a tire at
(35:14):
that fire too, and we know when you put a
tire and a fire, it burns even hotter. And you
know what, Nancy, there is still plastic out there that
they did not take in for evidence. And I'm not
saying a little bit of plastic. And it was trying
to figure out why in the hell didn't they take
everything that was here. All they took was that part
(35:35):
of that lid. There was still stuff out there. Yeah,
this investigation was botched terribly, terribly. You know what, I
just did something I try not to ever do. And
it's tough in this line of business. But for anyone
that doesn't care about Vanessa, imagine that picture of her
(35:58):
in her private first class unit form so proud, and
then put your daughter's face on top of that. That
is what her family is going through the thought someone
could do this to my girl like they did to Vanessa.
(36:24):
Is there no justice now? The Army wants to have
a meeting with the family lawyer, and they're still delivering
a line of BS. I love the military, but there's
one thing I love more than the military, and that
is the truth. We wait as justice. Son of false
(36:47):
Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off goodbye friend. During the
interview with Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Natalie Kam said
Cecily Aguilar was let out on bond today. Crime Online
has reached out to the Bell County Jail and confirmed
Aguilar is still in custody and being processed
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Nancy Grace
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