July 15, 2025 • 49 mins
Nancy Ng's family pleads for answers after the 29-year-old teacher’s aide disappears while on a yoga retreat in Guatemala. After she disappeared, members of the group allegedly made plans to quickly depart the country, leaving her relatives seeking closure. Nancy Ng is last seen in Lake Atitlán, Guatemala on October 19, 2023. She disappears during a kayak excursion while on a week-long yoga retreat.
On October 14, 2023, Nancy Ng left the US to embark on a week-long yoga retreat in Guatemala. She had been a yoga enthusiast for about four years and her trip to the “Be the Change” yoga retreat was her second in two years. Around 10:30 am on October 19, 2023, Nancy goes for a kayak excursion with a group of ten participants on Lake Atitlán, known as the deepest lake in Central America and is last seen by a participant named Christina Blazek when the two bump into each other in the middle of the lake. They chat for a moment and Nancy says she wants to go for a swim. Christina Blazek says she cautions against the idea to swim because of rough waters, but Nancy jumps into the water anyway.
Blazek, who spoke through her attorney, G. Christopher Gardner, denies rumors she has not been willing to help police with the investigation. Christina Blazek, a San Bernadino County public defender, has been named as the last known witness to see Nancy. While out on the water, Blazek says, through her attorney, that Nancy decides she wants to go swimming. Blazek allegedly tries to stop Nancy from entering the water “because it was rough and there was a strong current, according to his client’s account, Nancy ignores her alleged warnings and goes into the water. Blazek claims she tries to retrieve Ng’s kayak after it starts rapidly floating away by keeping one leg in her boat and another leg in the other kayak and got close to the swimmer to push it back to her.
Guatemalan authorities believe Ng drowned in a local lake, but her family still wants more answers as to what happened the day Nancy left to Kayak and never returned.
Joining Nancy Grace today,
Nicky Ng - Sister of Nancy Ng AND Jonathan Ng - Brother of Nancy Ng
Wendy Patrick- California prosecutor, President and Founder of Black Swan Verdicts, Author: "Why Bad Looks Good", 2nd BOOK: "Reading People: How to Understand People and Predict Their Behavior -- Anytime, Anyplace" 3rd BOOK: "Red Flags: Frenemies, Underminers, and Ruthless People" wendypatrickphd.com, ‘Today with Dr Wendy’ on KCBQ in San Diego, Twitter: @WendyPatrickPHD
Dr. Shavaun Scott - Psychotherapist, Author of “The Minds of Mass Killers: Understanding and Interrupting the Pathway to Violence” and "Game Addiction: The Experience and the Effects" FB: Shavaun.scott IN: shavaunscott Website: shavaunscott.com
Scott Eicher - A founding member of the FBI’s Cellular Analysis Survey Team (C.A.S.T); Historical Cellular Analysis Expert; Former FBI agent of 22 years; Former Police Officer and Homicide Detective with Norfolk Virgina Police Dept. having served 12 years; Has worked several missing persons cases. Currently with Precision Cellular Analysis handling Criminal, Defense and Civil case, website: https://www.pcaexperts.com
Chris ´Razor´ Sharpe - Master Aircrewman - Conducted the first aerial searches of Lake Atitlán [ah-TIT-lan] when Nancy first went missing, Fellow of the Institute of Search and Technical Rescue, Helicopter Association International Excellence Safety Award Recipient, Owner of Blackwolf Helicopters, served 10 years in the Royal Navy Police - Special Investigations and a qualified Criminal Investigator, website: www.blackwolfhelicopters.com, I
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a family in living hell
as a gorgeous young California teacher mysteriously vanishes from a
yoga retreat. Where's Nancy? I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
Thank you for being with us. A beautiful young California
(00:23):
teacher disappears on a yoga retreat abroad. Where is Nancy?
Why do our beautiful young Americans seemingly vanish into thin
air when they go abroad? This for a yoga retreat?
(00:44):
I'm just not buying the story. I'm being sold with
me an all star pound to make sense of Nancy's disappearance.
But first I want to go straight out to Nicki
and Jonathan Ing, the sister and brother of Nancy. To
both of you, thank you for being with us. Nikki,
when did you first learn your sister has as everyone says, vanishes.
(01:09):
They make it sound like it's a magic trick that
there she is and drum roll, now she's gone. None
of this is making sense to me. When did you
learn that your sister had vanished?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
We first heard she went missing on October nineteenth.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
My deb received a call from Eddie Ramada.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
When you're going to organize her that day to see
that she had gone out on the water and never returned.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
You know, Jonathan, there's something missing in that story. You know,
we just covered the case of a beautiful young university student, Sadiitsha,
who was just at the water's edge, and now she's gone.
Same thing happened with Natalie Holloway, Same thing happened with
(01:56):
Robin Gardner. I have got a file this thick of
peace well that go missing off yoga retreats. I do
not believe that one moment Nancy's there and the next
moment Nancy's gone. What were you told, Jonathan?
Speaker 4 (02:12):
We were told in the phone call Maddie that Christina
and now she's at the police station. You'll get all
the information that you need when we get the report
next week. And we just waited patiently and we didn't
get the answers we got.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
We get the.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Answers that we need because the answers don't really make
any sense. You are seeing video this gorgeous young teacher,
Nancy ng She lives in California. She goes to a
yoga retreat and she's never seen again. Look at her,
(02:53):
full of life, full of joy. Why is she gone?
What happened. The family literally in a living hell. Listen.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Special needs teacher Nancy Ing is in Guatemala for a
yoga retreat. During a kayak trip on Lake Adalon, Christina
Balzak and Nancy Ying go further on the lake than
their group. When Balzac claims Nancy got out of her
kayak to swim, Balzak returns to shore alone. Nancy Ings
never seen again.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
This story is not fitting together for me again with
me in addition to Nicki and Jonathan Ng an all
star panel, let me go straight out to Mary Beth
mcday joining us anchor Katla. Mary Beth, thank you for
being with us. What led Nancy Yng to go to
this yoga retreat?
Speaker 6 (03:42):
Yeah, from my understanding, she's a very busy woman. She
needed a much needed break. She'd been onto this yoga
retreat the previous year and wanted to go back and
get some relaxations. She went with a group of ten people,
and the second to last day they were there, they
went out for this kayak trip and then, as you mentioned,
everyone came back, all nine people except for Nancy. She
(04:04):
as you mentioned, well, she just seemed to vanish.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
And you know, one of the things.
Speaker 6 (04:08):
There are two things that really stuck out in my
mind with this Nancy is that Number one, the family
has always said, you know, because the final woman to
see her alive, it said, oh, she drowned. And I
know to the family this did not make sense. I
remember the heartbroken father was saying to his other children,
how can this be? I taught I taught Nancy how
(04:29):
to swim.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
She's a good swimmer.
Speaker 6 (04:30):
And he would sleep with the phone in his bed
every night, hoping to finally get good news about his daughter.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
And one other kind of suspicious thing.
Speaker 6 (04:40):
That I also found is that after the other nine
were back on shore and Nancy was missing, the people
from the ook retreat they all left. No one stayed
behind to help, and then they left Guatemala within about
eight to twelve hours. And that's according to the people
who run the kayak rentels. And according to those people
(05:03):
from the kayak b rentals, they say the gentleman went
out to try to search for Nancy, he couldn't find her.
And as far as I know, to this state, they
never got paid for the renting out those kayaks. So
I just know that the kayak rentel people are very
suspicious to hear while no one's staying behind to find
out what happens to this poor woman.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
You just all flee Guatemala.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
So that was very suspicious, you know, Mary Meth McDade
joining US anchor kt LA Mary Beth, he just says
something very probitive in my mind. It's not that I'm
sure that they're all strung out about not getting their
hundred dollars for the rental, but what does that prove?
They all just left. You've got this person you've been
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on a yoga retreat with for days. You've gotten to
know her, to like her, to care about her. You
are all there together at the kayak rental. She doesn't
come back, and you leave so quickly you don't even pay,
you know.
Speaker 6 (06:04):
And I've covered many stories out here in Los Angeles
where someone goes swimming up around Palasertes Finance Lea. There's
a lot of caves and there all these group of
young people like to win there and swim. People don't leave.
They stayed along the shoreline. Many people gather, everyone starts
looking where's.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
This poor woman? That wasn't the case in this situation.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Everyone left.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
I mean, how do you leave someone behind? And then
leave Guatemala within eight to twelve hours.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
You don't look, you know, you don't look.
Speaker 7 (06:37):
I just find that.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
I know I may be projecting Mary Beth McDade Kate
t La, but I recall a very serious diving accident
I had and nearly drowned, and when I came to
I looked up and every single person that was on
the dive trip with me was standing right there looking
(07:01):
down at me. Everyone nobody just said, oh, okay, bye,
I hype, everything's okay. I just find this very disturbing.
Mary Beth, Yeah, I do too.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
You think that maybe you'd hop back on the kayak,
you'd go out and try to look for her, bring
maybe a life jacket out. Fortunately, the owner of the kayak, Bronchesshop,
he did get in a boat and go look for her.
But again everyone left, so no one was around to
really give more information about Okay, well that's where she
was last scene. Okay, here's you know where I.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Last saw her swimming.
Speaker 6 (07:33):
You know, because from the last woman, from what we
understand she had or through her attorney, we've learned that
she says that, oh, you know, at at some point
Nancy decided to get out of the kayak and go
for a little swim, and she says she told Nancy
not to, and then she went over to try to
retrieve Nancy's kayak, not once, but twice, and then Nancy
(07:55):
was seriously gone.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
And then she battled back to shore.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
Okay, you battle back to shore to go get hell, but.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Then you leave.
Speaker 6 (08:05):
I don't get it. I could never see myself leaving
a leak or the ocean or anything if I knew
that someone in my group, as you were saying, Nancy
was seriously vanished.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
To Nicki Ing and Jonathan Ing, these are Nancy's brother
and sister. How did that strike you when? Okay, first
of all, I'm hearing that the witness that was last
with her, we believe, got a lawyer. Okay, but that
(08:37):
everyone on the excursion came back to shore and went
okay bye, and then left so quickly. They didn't even
bother to pay. They didn't have time. They wanted to
get out of there so quickly. How did that strike you, Nicki?
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I just think none of it makes sense. I think
one of the most appalling facts that we've heard is
that when Christina got back to shore, he went back
to the hotel.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
She didn't get back out on the boat and show.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
People where in the lake in this eleven by five mile.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Lake where they were. Instead, she had gone back and.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
We were told by one of the other retreat goers
that she was in the meditation doing child's pose. And
to us, that is just so stocking and unbelievable that
that's your first response. What about their urgency in finding
our sister?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Where's that?
Speaker 8 (09:31):
Where's that?
Speaker 1 (09:32):
If? If Niki, that is really what happened, what about it, Jonathan,
How did that strike you?
Speaker 4 (09:38):
It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
I feel like.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
You should be out there giving information, the recon starch teams,
you know, helping everybody figure out what they can best
through to find Nancy, to find my sister, and for
her to be just.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I think it's ridiculous. It's absolute ridiculous. And to be
doing child's.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Posts, Jonathan, when you were first told that Nancy just
quote vanished, those are the words. That's the word I
keep hearing describing her. One minute she's there, the next
minute she's gone. I'm not getting a clear picture of
what happened, and the fact that everyone on the excursion
just left without paying I find very curious. Jonathan.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
We we had heard that the organizer, Eddie was was
kind of shuffling and getting everybody out there in a rush,
and that just felt like, why, why would you do this?
For we had asked him. We reached out saying, hey,
is there any chance that you could stay a little
bit longer? You know, you ask me to the group
if there's anybody who's willing to stay behind and volunteer
(10:50):
help out. And not only did he decline to do that,
he booked his ticket, rebooked his ticket out of Wallmala
a date early, left a date earlier than he had planned.
He didn't actually people have telled us on the retreat
if Eddie had asked me, hey, the family would like
someone to stay to help out, that they would have stayed.
But he didn't even bother asking. He ignored did Nicky's
(11:11):
sex and calls when she'd called them and someone said
that he literally he literally saw him look at the
phone and put her face down.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Wow. Wendy Patrick joining me. Veteran California prosecutor, She's president
founder black Swan Verdicts, author of Why Bad Looks Good,
also Reading People, How to Understand People, and predict their
behavior anytime, any place. She's also the star of Today
with doctor Wendy on Casey BQ. Wendy does the term
(11:44):
flight fit? Is that appropriate here? Flight evidence of flight?
Speaker 8 (11:51):
It's interesting you bring that up, Nancy, because that's often
argued when you have persons of interest who disappear, because
it really comes down to exactly that you have a
case where it looks like the cover up may be
part of a crime, but you don't have suspects in
this case yet, you just have suspicious behavior following this tragedy.
And one of the things that makes this scenario unique
(12:14):
is we all know it's challenging enough to gather forensic
evidence on land, how much harder in the middle of
the lake where the only people who would be able
to provide those leads took flight almost immediately. Now, the
reason why I may have something to do with potential
civil liability.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Maybe that's why they didn't pay.
Speaker 8 (12:31):
Maybe there are other explanations, but as you just point
out with the example you shared personally, it's not the way.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Human beings behave.
Speaker 8 (12:39):
And when you look at behavioral evidence, the fact that
most people.
Speaker 6 (12:42):
Stay and say what can I do to help.
Speaker 8 (12:44):
Tell me where to look. Let's go to the police,
let's share information. It is absolutely just out of the pale.
And the brother and sister they picked up on this
right away that that was not only not the case here,
but that the departure date was expedient after this beautiful
young woman went missing.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
Very unusual.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
And of course, Wendy Patrick, you're a veteran trial lawyer,
you know that in many jurisdictions judges no longer give
a jury charge regarding flight as evidence of guilt. That
is no longer allowed in many jurisdictions, while prosecutors do
still argue it under the law, and does it mean anything, Maybe,
(13:24):
maybe not, but it certainly bears investigation that as might
understand it, Jonathan Ing, that the guy in charge of
this excursion looked at a cell phone and put it
face down when he was being asked, reportedly to continue
the search for your sister, and everybody left, including him
(13:47):
rebooking his flight to get out of Dodge even earlier.
Speaker 9 (13:50):
And the only reason we know this is because a
United Airlines employee went out of his way to show
a content creator that was covering Nancie's case that information.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Additionally, like it's not even that he ignored us. We
heard from the prosecutor in charge of investing in the
case that he also had a hard time reaching idea
that he was ignoring texts and calls from the investigative
people in Bottom Mall.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
And the thing is, both Eddie and Christina were summoned
to provide their testimonies the day following the incident, but
by then they had already left.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Wendy Patrick, you mentioned something about civil liability that maybe
they all left because they were afraid of civil liability.
You mean they're afraid they were going to get sued.
Maybe that could have been a concern the guy that
arranged the excursion, But what about the other fellow kayakers.
They would not be subjected to any civil liability. Why
(14:46):
did everybody lean just like that, including the woman we
believe to be the last person to see Nancy alive. Well,
I don't get it.
Speaker 8 (14:57):
And that's also one of the reasons that she lawyered up,
as we say, you know, getting a lawyer prospectively, because
everybody's afraid they may be blamed. Here's the emotional value
of that kind of behavior. Whether or not people understand
the law, everyone is afraid that if they're the last
person that saw somebody alive, or if something they did
may have caused the death of another. Sometimes it's panic,
(15:19):
and we have seen that sometimes panic is contagious. So
we don't know exactly how this group decided together it's
best to leave, and it's awful that it happened, and
I hope that they are just broken up about it,
and maybe hopefully, especially as a result of this broadcast,
maybe they'll come forward and start to help.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
But sometimes we see that that.
Speaker 8 (15:39):
Ends up being sort of emotional contagion. Whether or not,
as a logical matter, any of them can be charged.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
They didn't do it.
Speaker 8 (15:46):
There's no evidence at this point, and slight is an
instruction that relates to a criminal defendant, not to people
at the scene that may have information that could help
law enforcement find a beautiful, young missing woman.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Mary Beth mcday joining US anchored KTLA, the woman purported
to be the last one to see Nancy before she vanished.
She does know the law. Isn't she a public defender?
Speaker 6 (16:10):
Yeah, she's a public defender out in samberd Ardino County.
You know one thing that I recall from covering this
story and that is that supposedly the hotel owner in
Guatemala had taken Christina Blazac down to speak with the
police and then and hopefully Nicki and Jonathan could talk
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more about this, because they learned this through their attorney.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
That they hired on the ground there in Guatemala.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
And by the way, an attorney down in Guatemala is
more like an investigator, just you know. But supposedly she
was taken down there and gave some at report, but
they didn't want an American behind bars in guatemalas the
hotel owner supposedly paid off some kind of bride. And
you know, Nicki and Jonathan had spoken with KTLA a
(17:00):
few months ago about that, and maybe they can tell
us where things stand with that, because from what I understand,
the last woman to see Nancy alive that the report
she gave to police was never in the paperwork or
the police report that was given to the family.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
It takes a special kind of person to work with
children as a behavioral interventionist. It requires a professional who
can work one on one with students exhibiting challenging behaviors,
getting to know the child, and developing a plan to
modify behavior. And reduce negative behaviors. Nancy Ng is just
such a person. She works with children at Garfield Elementary
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School in Alhambra. Witnesses refuse to speak. Allegedly fleeing Waamala
after a twenty nine year old woman mysteriously disappears.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
What happened to Nancy Ng? Her family joining us tonight
in Living Hell with no answers? Why do so many
young and beautiful, beloved American women go abroad, this time
to a yoga retreat and they never come home? Mary
(18:11):
Beth McDade on the case from the Get Go anchor,
kat La, you wanted to ask a question of NICKI
and Jonathan.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
Yes, Nancy and covering a story, you know, I recall
that the last woman to see Nancy alive, that the
owner of the hotel has supposedly taken her down to
the police station to file some kind of report, but
that they didn't want to have an American in jail
in Guatemala, and.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
So in covering the story, learning from the family, they'd.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
Hired an attorney down to Guatemala who discovered that there
was some sort of payoff by the hotel to get
that woman out of Guatemala because I guess they don't
like Americans behind bars in Guatemala. So I'm curious, you know,
Nicki and John, did you guys ever find out more
about this supposed bribe.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
And you know, did it really happen? And you know,
what do you guys know about that today?
Speaker 9 (19:02):
So we learn about the bribe allegations because multiple sources
that used to work at the hotel the Nancy was
staying at informed us that the reason why we don't
have Christina's witness statement in the police report is because
of bribe took place. And when we first heard this,
we were so confused because we just didn't understand why
(19:24):
that would happen. And like you said, we were told
that the hotel owners arranged a bribe so that Christina's
statement would be omitted so that she wouldn't have to
stay and be detained in the country.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
I just hope is that your understanding, Jonathan.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Yeah, we wish we get more information.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
That's the most frustrating thing about this entire situation. We
have so little to work off of, and it feels
like no one else is working on other authorities working
to get us information that would actually give us clarity
and the witness is on speaking up.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
It's really hard to know exactly what actually.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Happened, but what we do know for is that the
statement was purposely omitted. Even another retreat participant confirmed that
because of that decision.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
We don't know what happened to our sister. And it's
been over a year and a half.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace. We don't know if there
was a bride, We don't know who paid the alleged
bride for what. But we do know, don't we marry
Beth mcday KTLA. Don't we know that the witness I
believe is a lawyer, a public defender, had a lot
(20:43):
of cases, criminal cases that she left immediately following the
vanishing of Nancy.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
Yes, yeah, she's a public defender out in San Berdandino County.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
And yes she did as well as.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Everyone was on that yoga retreat.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
I mean they, according to the owners of the kayak
retel place, they all left immediately from the lake and
then they went back and they were out of Guallamalla
within aged twelve hours. And what I guess I also
find remarkable is here's this family. They really want to
know what happened. When was the last time you saw
(21:22):
my sister? What was she doing?
Speaker 10 (21:24):
Hey?
Speaker 6 (21:24):
Can you pinpoint in this lake exactly where you saw,
so that all our search crews have some sort.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Of idea where to even start.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
Looking, and then to use science to try to figure
out where a body may go. And she really didn't
come forward to the family until through her attorney, And
that was after Chris Sharp, who I know you're going
to be speaking with. He has the search team that
was hired by the family to go down there and
start looking. And from my understanding, he was a bit
(21:53):
frustrated that he couldn't hear from this woman. Okay, please
help us tell three last on Nancy. He released her
name to the public and then all of a sudden,
well that's when her attorney came forward and told the
family her version of events.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
It was about four weeks later. Why couldn't you.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Have done it that day?
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Why couldn't you have let people know?
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Excuse me right away?
Speaker 6 (22:17):
So searchers had a good idea where to start looking.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Joining us right now. A special guest, Chris Razor Sharp
Master Eric Crewman, conducted the first aerial searches of like
at Taitlan, where Nancy went missing. Reportedly went missing a
fellow of the Institute of Search and Technical Rescue Helicopter Association.
It goes on and on and on, and you can
(22:42):
find him at black Wolf Helicopters dot com. Let's just
say he's an expert. Chris Razor Sharp, thank you for
being with us. I'm having an issue reconciling the story
I'm hearing with what I know of the topography in
the area and the lake. We often hear people going
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missing in the ocean, they're taken away by a big wave.
We hear people going under in white water rapids. But
in a lake, in a lake, let me think Nancy
knew how to swim. She was on a kayak. She
was on what should have been a very safe excursion.
You ever been on a Disney cruise. I've been on
(23:26):
plenty those excursions. I mean, you'd have to really try
to get hurt. You have to go out of your
way to get hurt. So, given your search of the lake,
how does somebody a lake, a contained lake, how does
somebody go missing and they're never found in a lake?
Speaker 7 (23:46):
Typically they don't just vanish, Especially in the lake, there
are certain undercurrents that do pull things down. But the
big problem we had because we know where to look
to start the search. So that's why we ended up
with helicopters searching the entire lake, the entire coachline, and
(24:11):
then as the search progressed, we put dogs in around
the resort. Obviously the scuba divers we did under it,
through all the reeds and everywhere. It's a very difficult
area to search in the first place. One the altitude,
so everyone sees a beautiful lake. It's about six thousand
(24:31):
feet above sea level. There's three mountain ridges we have
to cross to get there, so we're operating at peak
performance of the helicopter. And then due to just pure
size and thankfully the family members who were in contact
(24:53):
with us, that's the only information we had. People say,
did we speak to witnesses, Well, there weren't anywhere. This
is because they'd all gone. The people on the ground
were unfriendly because of the press attention that was coming
their way. So that's why I became a protracted search
(25:15):
in a sense.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Okay, Chris aka Razor Sharp Guys. He starved teen years
in the Royal Navy Police Special Investigations. He's a certified
criminal investigator. Chris several follow up questions regarding what you
just said. Number one referred to a difficulty in searching,
(25:40):
but what you described seems to me like a difficulty
in the helicopter search. As a diver, I've done hundreds
of dives. I've never had a problem diving in a
lake because when I think of a problem as a
dive searcher, I think of chopping water, which largely goes
(26:01):
away once you get below the surface of the chop.
I think of murky water where you can't see in
front of yourself, like you're doing a night dive. The
water is so murky. But when you're doing this search,
forget about the land search and the helicopter search. Was
the water search itself.
Speaker 7 (26:20):
Difficult, Yes, because of the large expanse of water, and
even if you take the bay into account where the
resort was, that is still a massive area for the divers.
So they did various search patterns, but they can't. It
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drops off really deep, really quick, because we didn't have
a start point of any description. That's what frustrated a
lot of the efforts.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Is it true, Chris, that this lake is one hundred
and twenty feet deep at its deepest and it is
fifty plus square miles.
Speaker 7 (27:04):
Yes, that is correct.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Okay, don't you believe it would have helped you if
those familiar with her last known sighting could have told
you specifically where they were.
Speaker 7 (27:18):
Absolutely, because we could have focused everything on that point.
At one stage, we had three helicopters, two dive teams,
the search dogs searching everywhere because we had nobody physically
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say it was over there. We've got various accounts, but
they will differ. None of them are corroborative.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
You're getting different stories about where she was.
Speaker 7 (27:51):
Yeah, so some people say, oh, they were over here,
and then we had a position, which was the other
side of the lake.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Is someone's they're very very mistaken or they're outright a line?
And again, let me repeat, no one has been named
a suspect or even a person of interest in this case.
We've had a lot of stories, a lot of information
coming our way, as have Nikki and Jonathan. Can't corroborate it,
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cannot corroborate it. Question, Chris, did you bring out cadaver dogs?
Speaker 10 (28:28):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Did they hit?
Speaker 2 (28:31):
No?
Speaker 7 (28:31):
So what the reason we introduced the dogs was because
of the stories that the family were being fed. The
fact that we had. Nobody could actually prove to me
to be honest, she was actually on the lake. We're
just going on the few witness accounts that we had.
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So the last search is that we did. We took
the kadaver dogs to do that entire all around the
hostel where they were staying and the other hostels. It's
not a very big place. And then we put the
divers under the piers in amongst the reeds and almost
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a body search essentially morek into a police search than
a search and rescue.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Chris Sharp, did the condemn dogs hit negative? Isn't it
true Chris Sharp, that cadaver dogs will hit on the
water if there's a dead body.
Speaker 7 (29:30):
Yes, we investigated that because of the scent that flows
across the surface. It's not particularly windy, it's not particularly rough,
but the dogs nothing.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Chris, how soon after Nancy quote vanished? Did you bring
in the dogs?
Speaker 7 (29:50):
Initially it was probably a week later, because we had
to search the entire lake in case you'd swum ashore.
Because you swimmer shore around the corner, you can't get
out of there because it's the cliffs and the etc.
Then we had spewer's reports and psychic people telling us.
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So we searched the entire perimeter of the lake, and
obviously from the helicopter we can see vertically down quite
a depth and it's the fastest way to do it.
So maybe two weeks into it.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Where do you have expected a cadem doctor hit after
two weeks.
Speaker 7 (30:32):
Yes, we spoke to a bunch of guys in the
United States and the dog handlers down here, and that's
the reason we took them, because they felt it was
a worthwhile option. If they said that, we wouldn't have
used them.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Can you say that people on the ground were unfriendly
and not cooperative? What happened?
Speaker 7 (30:54):
So obviously when I named two persons of interest, retreat
leader and the female, I've tried contacting them. Obviously the
family had we've got nothing. I named them, and then
I received threats from anonymous people saying you've got the
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wrong retreat. It's not that one, it's somewhere else. It's
just and they don't like they operate on tourism, and obviously,
being in the news as much as they were, they're
not particularly friendly. What we're used to that.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
You know, to Nikki and Jonathan Ing listening to Chris
sharp described as search. It just seems to me if
this were as straightforward as we've been led to believe,
that she's suddenly on the middle of a lake that's
fifty square miles twelve hundred feet deep at his deepest,
it's very, very deep. Amateur divers rarely go be low
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one hundred okay, much less twelve hundred fate if it
were as straightforward as we're being told that she suddenly
jumped off for kayak to go for a swim, Why
is everyone being so sacretive I'm not helping. Has that
crossed your mind, Nikki?
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah, it's just it doesn't make sense. It doesn't feel
like the right response to just leave, And it's just
how can we direct our search themes If you don't
know where to look? The only person that was with
Nancy is a willing to speak to them, How do
they know where to look? It feels near impossible.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Jonathan Ing, did you realize that Sidekicks had been consulted?
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Yeah, they were reaching out to us, trying to offer
us their services. Some of them sent us what they
had seen, just un prompted. I think I remember one
instance where the shot organizer we talked about him Eddie.
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He had circled two points on a map with his
like iPhone and we left from here, and this is
where you'll Findancy. And they were just both ridiculously wrong.
He was insisting this is where you'll Financy, this is
where we were. The part where he circled his own
location was incorrect, and definitely the part where he circled
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where Nancy was was way too far. It was literally
in this of lake where Chris said it was literally impossible.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Not helpful at all. I find it very difficult to
understand why if she drowned, why cadaver dogs did not
hit on the saying the cadaver dogs that Chris Razor
Sharp brought out. Quick question Nikki Jonathan what happened to
her cell phone?
Speaker 4 (33:41):
Her cell phone was left with her belongs in the hotel.
She decided not to bring it because she was worried
about losing it.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
To Nikki and Jonathan Ing, the brother and sister of Nancy,
do you ever dream of her because the case is unresolved.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
I've jumped of her back at our family's home when
we were growing up. I've seen her like in my
head in my dreams at the park together with her.
I see her in front of what I imagined to
be like her first home. It's confusing. It's hard to
know how to feel about everything and what happened and
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where is she now?
Speaker 2 (34:18):
NICKI yeah, I dream of her all the time, and
it's hard. In those dreams, she's happy, and I miss
seeing that. I miss the way she laughs. I think
it's just we don't have closure, so that's all we
have to hold on to.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
And even just two weeks ago during.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
The start, we got a photo of Nancy from someone
claiming that they found her through the sex trafficking ring.
And it's just things like that that make that emotional limbo. Hell,
it's torture to not know what happened.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Wait a minute, hold on, Nikki, you got a photo
totally of your sister and the person that said it
said that she was in a sex she'd been sex trafficked.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
I mean, we've gotten the countless extortion texts and calls,
but the FBI have ruled most of them out as
just that, like, we don't really have Nancy. It's just
hard to see that and not think otherwise.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
So in addition and not having answers, you have all
these guls contacting you claiming they know where Nancy is,
including that she's been sex trafficked.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Yeah, and I think that's why we're trying so hard
to get these search teams out there, because we just
want some sort of closure and I don't want to
imagine that she's out there suffering.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Crime stores with Nancy Grace joining us now a special Yes,
Doctor Chavon, Scott's psychotherapist and author of the Minds of
mass Killers, Understanding and Interrupting Pathway to Violence and game Addiction,
the experience and the effects, Doctor Cheven, thank you for
(36:16):
being with us now. See again, I'm projecting. But when
my fiance was murdered, I knew what happened. I knew
what happened. His body was at his funeral, he was buried.
When you don't know what happened to the one you
love the most, and you dream, for instance, of them
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walking in the door, of meeting them on the street,
of seeing them across a field, it's maddening. It's hell you.
First of all, you can't grieve. You don't know that
they're dead, or have they been sex trafficked, have they
been kidnapped? What happened to them. If they are dead,
how did they die, what did they suffer? You don't know.
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You don't have any thing or any place to mourn.
It is a living hell and it never ends.
Speaker 11 (37:05):
Doctor chavn nailed it. You nailed it, Nancy. This is
really the family's worst nightmare, a loved one who disappears,
and we don't have the true story, We don't have
the details. I would like the in family to realize
that what they're experiencing is not just grief. Grief is
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hard enough, right, We've all been through that, it's awful,
But this is what we call ambiguous loss, and that
means your heart is caught between hope and despair, between
searching and mourning, and that emotional limbo is devastating. There's
no closure, there's no roadmap, and that makes it harder
to cope than almost any other kind of loss. And
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we really need to reach out to our support system.
Heart to heart connections help people get through incredibly difficult things.
But my heart just goes out to them, and I
think they're doing all the rights by trying to get
this dialogue going and to keep it in the media,
because every missing person, it's a ripple that affects all
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of us.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Let me understand, Nikki and Jonathan. There's only one person
that claims to have seen her before she vanished, right,
the public defender, the female just one. Nobody else on
the excursion.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
Other participants. They were on the shore, they couldn't see
any details. They just saw two dots. And the only
person that was actually there to be able to see
everything happen was the attorney was Christy.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
So other than her word for what happened, for all
I know, Nancy could have been taken.
Speaker 9 (38:43):
I don't think we'll ever know for sure because even
the people that have spoken to Christina have different accounts
of what she said, the conflicting information, so we don't
know much as what.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
She's told.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Christina has told other particips Pins that she's not sure
if Nancy jumps into the league or if she fell
from her kayak, and that's very different from what her
attorney is now seeing.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
She's said that she didn't hear anything, that's he just
kind of vanished. She's also said in different concepts she
heard a struggle, and those are really difficult details to
mess up and to see two ways of and her
not even talking to us this gives me less clue
about who she is as a person, or maybe it
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tells me more about who she is as a person.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Doctor Chavon Scott questioned to you, you would expect for
witnesses material witnesses such as the woman believed to be
the last person to see Nancy alive, everybody else in
the group, the excursion coordinator, and more. We would expect
them to stay and try to find her and expect
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for everyone to be forthcoming. This is what I saw her,
this is what happened to me. It doesn't make sense
psychologically for them to just leave.
Speaker 11 (40:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think any of us putting ourselves
in that kind of situation, we would be devastated and
we would be doing everything we possibly could to try
to give the police information to scour the lake look
for the vicinity. Is there anything we can come up
with that would be helpful? And I think, speaking for myself,
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it would be hard to prime me away from that.
So it does seem counterintuitive, but sometimes people can be
influenced by somebody's panic reaction who says, oh, we've all
got to get out of here. I think it just
doesn't all add up, as everyone has said, it's different
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than the way most of us would imagine acting in
a situation like this, where we would be panicked about
trying to find the person. So I think there are
so many of these gray areas where things just don't
feel right, and it leaves the family in limbo just
wondering and ruminating, which is a perfectly normal reaction. We'd
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all be doing that, but you know, and legally can
anything be done, And at this point, without more evidence,
we just hope that somebody comes forward or there's something
that can clear it up.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
To Nancy and Jonathan Ing, Nancy Ang's brother and sister,
did the public defender the lawyer the last one believed
to have seen your sister in law. Have you tried
to reach her? Has she contacted you?
Speaker 3 (41:34):
No, she's never contacted us.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
But we've tried to reach out to her via emails
and even through the US Embassy Saniel letter on our behalf.
She's never responded. She's refused to help search teams. And
while we can understand the panic in the moment to
come back home to safety in California, why not offer
your help then when you're back to safety.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
It just doesn't make.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Sense now, Remember there's a reason that hearsay is typically
not allowed in court. When you hear she told me
that she said that cannot be cross examined or tested.
These are unconfirmed reports. No one has been charged, No
one is a suspect, no one is a person of interest.
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What we want is the truth. Where is Nancy two?
Scott Iiker joining us, founding member of the FBI Cellular
Analysis Survey Team. That so Can founding member of the
FBI Cellular Analysis Team currently with Precision Cellular Analysis. Scott,
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thank you for being with us. What if anything could
be called from her cell phone?
Speaker 10 (42:49):
There's a ton of stuff that could be called from
her cell phone, not only the device itself and all
the text messages, all the apps that she's used, all
the website she's into, but also from the cell phone
towers in that area. I don't know that area in
Guatemala and how much coverage they do have, but that's
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one thing that the FBI could be working with a
Guatemalan government to try to obtain, you know what, towers
that she was using before or after she went missing,
to see if there's any data there that they could
recover that might help in this situation.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Scott Iiker, wouldn't the cell phone reveal texts and phone
calls leading up to hurt disappearance? Who were there? Was
there any controversy, were there any mad feelings? I mean,
how long does that data stay in the cloud?
Speaker 10 (43:42):
It really depends, you know, the cloud servers for whatever
service she's using there in Guatemala, and if she's using
any applications that are US based or based anywhere else,
that could stay there a good amount of time. Plus
the stuff in her phone will stay there. So hopefully
they recovered her phone and they've done an extraction of
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the data on there and review that to see if
there's any controversy or any issues prior to her going missing.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
You're hearing Scott Iiker joining US an expert in cellular
analysis formerly with the FBI, now a precision cellular analysis.
You know, Chris Sharp. The search, your search or extensive
search for me leads to even more questions.
Speaker 7 (44:29):
Absolutely, so search is not we don't just go out
and fly around into It is based on human behavior,
what people do. The circumstances around like oh, she fell
off a kayak and it's like, so you didn't try
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and help your fellow human in the water. People don't
just sink immediately. It's so frustrating. And then the fact
that they had all change the flights and gone by
the time we were even contacted, So is we had
no first time to count from anybody apart from what
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the family gave us.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Nicki and Jonathan, Ang, what is your message tonight? First
to you?
Speaker 9 (45:17):
Nicki, I think our message is that we are not
vengeful people. We truly just want the truth about what
happened to our sister and as much information as we
can get to find her and bring her home.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Jonathan, it's upset.
Speaker 3 (45:34):
I'm frustrated.
Speaker 4 (45:35):
I'm upset, and I just really hope that those who
have information, those who are responsible, that they come forth
still after all this time, that they come forth.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
So that they can give us what we need to
find our sister.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
Jonathan, what haunts you the most the fact that you
don't know where her body is or that she may
still be alive.
Speaker 4 (46:00):
I think the thought that she may still be alive
is it's a lot. Yeah, I don't want her to
be out there suffering.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Nick What disturbs you the most about your sister's disappearance.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
I think all of it.
Speaker 9 (46:20):
I just can't wrap my head around the fact that
people can just pick up and leave and not help
at all. I mean, Nancy was the kind of person
that went out of her way to help anybody, even strangers,
and so the fact that she's potentially gone forever and
that the people that were last with her are not
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willing to help at all, it just really breaks me heart.
Speaker 4 (46:47):
It really painful getting information about our sister, not even
through the witnesses directly, but through learning about it through
national television. I just wish there was a die so
we can learn more.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
Where is Nancy, what happened to her, could she still
be alive? And under what circumstances. No one has been charged,
No one is a suspect, no one is a person
of interest. For all we know, these players' behavior could
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be innocently explained, but we don't know that because there
seems to be a wall of silence surrounding the disappearance
of Nancy. Inc. If you know or think you know
anything about the disappearance of Nancy INNG, please please come forward.
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In this family's suffering six two six, six one four
three two one eight repeat six two six six one
four three two one eight or email help us find
Nancy at gmail dot com. We remember an American hero,
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Sergeant David Prarie Baton Rouge p D. Seventeen years with
law enforcement, killed in the line of duty along with
partner Corporal Scottie Canna zero and a helicopter crash. American
Hero Sergeant David Parier. Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend.
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a family in living hell
as a gorgeous young California teacher mysteriously vanishes from a
yoga retreat. Where's Nancy? I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
Thank you for being with us. A beautiful young California
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teacher disappears on a yoga retreat abroad. Where is Nancy?
Why do our beautiful young Americans seemingly vanish into thin
air when they go abroad? This for a yoga retreat?
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I'm just not buying the story. I'm being sold with
me an all star pound to make sense of Nancy's disappearance.
But first I want to go straight out to Nicki
and Jonathan Ing, the sister and brother of Nancy. To
both of you, thank you for being with us. Nikki,
when did you first learn your sister has as everyone says, vanishes.
(01:09):
They make it sound like it's a magic trick that
there she is and drum roll, now she's gone. None
of this is making sense to me. When did you
learn that your sister had vanished?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
We first heard she went missing on October nineteenth.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
My deb received a call from Eddie Ramada.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
When you're going to organize her that day to see
that she had gone out on the water and never returned.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
You know, Jonathan, there's something missing in that story. You know,
we just covered the case of a beautiful young university student, Sadiitsha,
who was just at the water's edge, and now she's gone.
Same thing happened with Natalie Holloway, Same thing happened with
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Robin Gardner. I have got a file this thick of
peace well that go missing off yoga retreats. I do
not believe that one moment Nancy's there and the next
moment Nancy's gone. What were you told, Jonathan?
Speaker 4 (02:12):
We were told in the phone call Maddie that Christina
and now she's at the police station. You'll get all
the information that you need when we get the report
next week. And we just waited patiently and we didn't
get the answers we got.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
We get the.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Answers that we need because the answers don't really make
any sense. You are seeing video this gorgeous young teacher,
Nancy ng She lives in California. She goes to a
yoga retreat and she's never seen again. Look at her,
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full of life, full of joy. Why is she gone?
What happened. The family literally in a living hell. Listen.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Special needs teacher Nancy Ing is in Guatemala for a
yoga retreat. During a kayak trip on Lake Adalon, Christina
Balzak and Nancy Ying go further on the lake than
their group. When Balzac claims Nancy got out of her
kayak to swim, Balzak returns to shore alone. Nancy Ings
never seen again.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
This story is not fitting together for me again with
me in addition to Nicki and Jonathan Ng an all
star panel, let me go straight out to Mary Beth
mcday joining us anchor Katla. Mary Beth, thank you for
being with us. What led Nancy Yng to go to
this yoga retreat?
Speaker 6 (03:42):
Yeah, from my understanding, she's a very busy woman. She
needed a much needed break. She'd been onto this yoga
retreat the previous year and wanted to go back and
get some relaxations. She went with a group of ten people,
and the second to last day they were there, they
went out for this kayak trip and then, as you mentioned,
everyone came back, all nine people except for Nancy. She
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as you mentioned, well, she just seemed to vanish.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
And you know, one of the things.
Speaker 6 (04:08):
There are two things that really stuck out in my
mind with this Nancy is that Number one, the family
has always said, you know, because the final woman to
see her alive, it said, oh, she drowned. And I
know to the family this did not make sense. I
remember the heartbroken father was saying to his other children,
how can this be? I taught I taught Nancy how
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to swim.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
She's a good swimmer.
Speaker 6 (04:30):
And he would sleep with the phone in his bed
every night, hoping to finally get good news about his daughter.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
And one other kind of suspicious thing.
Speaker 6 (04:40):
That I also found is that after the other nine
were back on shore and Nancy was missing, the people
from the ook retreat they all left. No one stayed
behind to help, and then they left Guatemala within about
eight to twelve hours. And that's according to the people
who run the kayak rentels. And according to those people
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from the kayak b rentals, they say the gentleman went
out to try to search for Nancy, he couldn't find her.
And as far as I know, to this state, they
never got paid for the renting out those kayaks. So
I just know that the kayak rentel people are very
suspicious to hear while no one's staying behind to find
out what happens to this poor woman.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
You just all flee Guatemala.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
So that was very suspicious, you know, Mary Meth McDade
joining US anchor kt LA Mary Beth, he just says
something very probitive in my mind. It's not that I'm
sure that they're all strung out about not getting their
hundred dollars for the rental, but what does that prove?
They all just left. You've got this person you've been
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on a yoga retreat with for days. You've gotten to
know her, to like her, to care about her. You
are all there together at the kayak rental. She doesn't
come back, and you leave so quickly you don't even pay,
you know.
Speaker 6 (06:04):
And I've covered many stories out here in Los Angeles
where someone goes swimming up around Palasertes Finance Lea. There's
a lot of caves and there all these group of
young people like to win there and swim. People don't leave.
They stayed along the shoreline. Many people gather, everyone starts
looking where's.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
This poor woman? That wasn't the case in this situation.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Everyone left.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
I mean, how do you leave someone behind? And then
leave Guatemala within eight to twelve hours.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
You don't look, you know, you don't look.
Speaker 7 (06:37):
I just find that.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
I know I may be projecting Mary Beth McDade Kate
t La, but I recall a very serious diving accident
I had and nearly drowned, and when I came to
I looked up and every single person that was on
the dive trip with me was standing right there looking
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down at me. Everyone nobody just said, oh, okay, bye,
I hype, everything's okay. I just find this very disturbing.
Mary Beth, Yeah, I do too.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
You think that maybe you'd hop back on the kayak,
you'd go out and try to look for her, bring
maybe a life jacket out. Fortunately, the owner of the kayak, Bronchesshop,
he did get in a boat and go look for her.
But again everyone left, so no one was around to
really give more information about Okay, well that's where she
was last scene. Okay, here's you know where I.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Last saw her swimming.
Speaker 6 (07:33):
You know, because from the last woman, from what we
understand she had or through her attorney, we've learned that
she says that, oh, you know, at at some point
Nancy decided to get out of the kayak and go
for a little swim, and she says she told Nancy
not to, and then she went over to try to
retrieve Nancy's kayak, not once, but twice, and then Nancy
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was seriously gone.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
And then she battled back to shore.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
Okay, you battle back to shore to go get hell, but.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Then you leave.
Speaker 6 (08:05):
I don't get it. I could never see myself leaving
a leak or the ocean or anything if I knew
that someone in my group, as you were saying, Nancy
was seriously vanished.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
To Nicki Ing and Jonathan Ing, these are Nancy's brother
and sister. How did that strike you when? Okay, first
of all, I'm hearing that the witness that was last
with her, we believe, got a lawyer. Okay, but that
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everyone on the excursion came back to shore and went
okay bye, and then left so quickly. They didn't even
bother to pay. They didn't have time. They wanted to
get out of there so quickly. How did that strike you, Nicki?
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I just think none of it makes sense. I think
one of the most appalling facts that we've heard is
that when Christina got back to shore, he went back
to the hotel.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
She didn't get back out on the boat and show.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
People where in the lake in this eleven by five mile.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Lake where they were. Instead, she had gone back and.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
We were told by one of the other retreat goers
that she was in the meditation doing child's pose. And
to us, that is just so stocking and unbelievable that
that's your first response. What about their urgency in finding
our sister?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Where's that?
Speaker 8 (09:31):
Where's that?
Speaker 1 (09:32):
If? If Niki, that is really what happened, what about it, Jonathan,
How did that strike you?
Speaker 4 (09:38):
It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
I feel like.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
You should be out there giving information, the recon starch teams,
you know, helping everybody figure out what they can best
through to find Nancy, to find my sister, and for
her to be just.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I think it's ridiculous. It's absolute ridiculous. And to be
doing child's.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Posts, Jonathan, when you were first told that Nancy just
quote vanished, those are the words. That's the word I
keep hearing describing her. One minute she's there, the next
minute she's gone. I'm not getting a clear picture of
what happened, and the fact that everyone on the excursion
just left without paying I find very curious. Jonathan.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
We we had heard that the organizer, Eddie was was
kind of shuffling and getting everybody out there in a rush,
and that just felt like, why, why would you do this?
For we had asked him. We reached out saying, hey,
is there any chance that you could stay a little
bit longer? You know, you ask me to the group
if there's anybody who's willing to stay behind and volunteer
(10:50):
help out. And not only did he decline to do that,
he booked his ticket, rebooked his ticket out of Wallmala
a date early, left a date earlier than he had planned.
He didn't actually people have telled us on the retreat
if Eddie had asked me, hey, the family would like
someone to stay to help out, that they would have stayed.
But he didn't even bother asking. He ignored did Nicky's
(11:11):
sex and calls when she'd called them and someone said
that he literally he literally saw him look at the
phone and put her face down.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Wow. Wendy Patrick joining me. Veteran California prosecutor, She's president
founder black Swan Verdicts, author of Why Bad Looks Good,
also Reading People, How to Understand People, and predict their
behavior anytime, any place. She's also the star of Today
with doctor Wendy on Casey BQ. Wendy does the term
(11:44):
flight fit? Is that appropriate here? Flight evidence of flight?
Speaker 8 (11:51):
It's interesting you bring that up, Nancy, because that's often
argued when you have persons of interest who disappear, because
it really comes down to exactly that you have a
case where it looks like the cover up may be
part of a crime, but you don't have suspects in
this case yet, you just have suspicious behavior following this tragedy.
And one of the things that makes this scenario unique
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is we all know it's challenging enough to gather forensic
evidence on land, how much harder in the middle of
the lake where the only people who would be able
to provide those leads took flight almost immediately. Now, the
reason why I may have something to do with potential
civil liability.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Maybe that's why they didn't pay.
Speaker 8 (12:31):
Maybe there are other explanations, but as you just point
out with the example you shared personally, it's not the way.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Human beings behave.
Speaker 8 (12:39):
And when you look at behavioral evidence, the fact that
most people.
Speaker 6 (12:42):
Stay and say what can I do to help.
Speaker 8 (12:44):
Tell me where to look. Let's go to the police,
let's share information. It is absolutely just out of the pale.
And the brother and sister they picked up on this
right away that that was not only not the case here,
but that the departure date was expedient after this beautiful
young woman went missing.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
Very unusual.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
And of course, Wendy Patrick, you're a veteran trial lawyer,
you know that in many jurisdictions judges no longer give
a jury charge regarding flight as evidence of guilt. That
is no longer allowed in many jurisdictions, while prosecutors do
still argue it under the law, and does it mean anything, Maybe,
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maybe not, but it certainly bears investigation that as might
understand it, Jonathan Ing, that the guy in charge of
this excursion looked at a cell phone and put it
face down when he was being asked, reportedly to continue
the search for your sister, and everybody left, including him
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rebooking his flight to get out of Dodge even earlier.
Speaker 9 (13:50):
And the only reason we know this is because a
United Airlines employee went out of his way to show
a content creator that was covering Nancie's case that information.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Additionally, like it's not even that he ignored us. We
heard from the prosecutor in charge of investing in the
case that he also had a hard time reaching idea
that he was ignoring texts and calls from the investigative
people in Bottom Mall.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
And the thing is, both Eddie and Christina were summoned
to provide their testimonies the day following the incident, but
by then they had already left.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Wendy Patrick, you mentioned something about civil liability that maybe
they all left because they were afraid of civil liability.
You mean they're afraid they were going to get sued.
Maybe that could have been a concern the guy that
arranged the excursion, But what about the other fellow kayakers.
They would not be subjected to any civil liability. Why
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did everybody lean just like that, including the woman we
believe to be the last person to see Nancy alive. Well,
I don't get it.
Speaker 8 (14:57):
And that's also one of the reasons that she lawyered up,
as we say, you know, getting a lawyer prospectively, because
everybody's afraid they may be blamed. Here's the emotional value
of that kind of behavior. Whether or not people understand
the law, everyone is afraid that if they're the last
person that saw somebody alive, or if something they did
may have caused the death of another. Sometimes it's panic,
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and we have seen that sometimes panic is contagious. So
we don't know exactly how this group decided together it's
best to leave, and it's awful that it happened, and
I hope that they are just broken up about it,
and maybe hopefully, especially as a result of this broadcast,
maybe they'll come forward and start to help.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
But sometimes we see that that.
Speaker 8 (15:39):
Ends up being sort of emotional contagion. Whether or not,
as a logical matter, any of them can be charged.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
They didn't do it.
Speaker 8 (15:46):
There's no evidence at this point, and slight is an
instruction that relates to a criminal defendant, not to people
at the scene that may have information that could help
law enforcement find a beautiful, young missing woman.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Mary Beth mcday joining US anchored KTLA, the woman purported
to be the last one to see Nancy before she vanished.
She does know the law. Isn't she a public defender?
Speaker 6 (16:10):
Yeah, she's a public defender out in samberd Ardino County.
You know one thing that I recall from covering this
story and that is that supposedly the hotel owner in
Guatemala had taken Christina Blazac down to speak with the
police and then and hopefully Nicki and Jonathan could talk
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more about this, because they learned this through their attorney.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
That they hired on the ground there in Guatemala.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
And by the way, an attorney down in Guatemala is
more like an investigator, just you know. But supposedly she
was taken down there and gave some at report, but
they didn't want an American behind bars in guatemalas the
hotel owner supposedly paid off some kind of bride. And
you know, Nicki and Jonathan had spoken with KTLA a
(17:00):
few months ago about that, and maybe they can tell
us where things stand with that, because from what I understand,
the last woman to see Nancy alive that the report
she gave to police was never in the paperwork or
the police report that was given to the family.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
It takes a special kind of person to work with
children as a behavioral interventionist. It requires a professional who
can work one on one with students exhibiting challenging behaviors,
getting to know the child, and developing a plan to
modify behavior. And reduce negative behaviors. Nancy Ng is just
such a person. She works with children at Garfield Elementary
(17:36):
School in Alhambra. Witnesses refuse to speak. Allegedly fleeing Waamala
after a twenty nine year old woman mysteriously disappears.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
What happened to Nancy Ng? Her family joining us tonight
in Living Hell with no answers? Why do so many
young and beautiful, beloved American women go abroad, this time
to a yoga retreat and they never come home? Mary
(18:11):
Beth McDade on the case from the Get Go anchor,
kat La, you wanted to ask a question of NICKI
and Jonathan.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
Yes, Nancy and covering a story, you know, I recall
that the last woman to see Nancy alive, that the
owner of the hotel has supposedly taken her down to
the police station to file some kind of report, but
that they didn't want to have an American in jail
in Guatemala, and.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
So in covering the story, learning from the family, they'd.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
Hired an attorney down to Guatemala who discovered that there
was some sort of payoff by the hotel to get
that woman out of Guatemala because I guess they don't
like Americans behind bars in Guatemala. So I'm curious, you know,
Nicki and John, did you guys ever find out more
about this supposed bribe.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
And you know, did it really happen? And you know,
what do you guys know about that today?
Speaker 9 (19:02):
So we learn about the bribe allegations because multiple sources
that used to work at the hotel the Nancy was
staying at informed us that the reason why we don't
have Christina's witness statement in the police report is because
of bribe took place. And when we first heard this,
we were so confused because we just didn't understand why
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that would happen. And like you said, we were told
that the hotel owners arranged a bribe so that Christina's
statement would be omitted so that she wouldn't have to
stay and be detained in the country.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
I just hope is that your understanding, Jonathan.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Yeah, we wish we get more information.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
That's the most frustrating thing about this entire situation. We
have so little to work off of, and it feels
like no one else is working on other authorities working
to get us information that would actually give us clarity
and the witness is on speaking up.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
It's really hard to know exactly what actually.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Happened, but what we do know for is that the
statement was purposely omitted. Even another retreat participant confirmed that
because of that decision.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
We don't know what happened to our sister. And it's
been over a year and a half.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace. We don't know if there
was a bride, We don't know who paid the alleged
bride for what. But we do know, don't we marry
Beth mcday KTLA. Don't we know that the witness I
believe is a lawyer, a public defender, had a lot
(20:43):
of cases, criminal cases that she left immediately following the
vanishing of Nancy.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
Yes, yeah, she's a public defender out in San Berdandino County.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
And yes she did as well as.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Everyone was on that yoga retreat.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
I mean they, according to the owners of the kayak
retel place, they all left immediately from the lake and
then they went back and they were out of Guallamalla
within aged twelve hours. And what I guess I also
find remarkable is here's this family. They really want to
know what happened. When was the last time you saw
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my sister? What was she doing?
Speaker 10 (21:24):
Hey?
Speaker 6 (21:24):
Can you pinpoint in this lake exactly where you saw,
so that all our search crews have some sort.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Of idea where to even start.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
Looking, and then to use science to try to figure
out where a body may go. And she really didn't
come forward to the family until through her attorney, And
that was after Chris Sharp, who I know you're going
to be speaking with. He has the search team that
was hired by the family to go down there and
start looking. And from my understanding, he was a bit
(21:53):
frustrated that he couldn't hear from this woman. Okay, please
help us tell three last on Nancy. He released her
name to the public and then all of a sudden,
well that's when her attorney came forward and told the
family her version of events.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
It was about four weeks later. Why couldn't you.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Have done it that day?
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Why couldn't you have let people know?
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Excuse me right away?
Speaker 6 (22:17):
So searchers had a good idea where to start looking.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Joining us right now. A special guest, Chris Razor Sharp
Master Eric Crewman, conducted the first aerial searches of like
at Taitlan, where Nancy went missing. Reportedly went missing a
fellow of the Institute of Search and Technical Rescue Helicopter Association.
It goes on and on and on, and you can
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find him at black Wolf Helicopters dot com. Let's just
say he's an expert. Chris Razor Sharp, thank you for
being with us. I'm having an issue reconciling the story
I'm hearing with what I know of the topography in
the area and the lake. We often hear people going
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missing in the ocean, they're taken away by a big wave.
We hear people going under in white water rapids. But
in a lake, in a lake, let me think Nancy
knew how to swim. She was on a kayak. She
was on what should have been a very safe excursion.
You ever been on a Disney cruise. I've been on
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plenty those excursions. I mean, you'd have to really try
to get hurt. You have to go out of your
way to get hurt. So, given your search of the lake,
how does somebody a lake, a contained lake, how does
somebody go missing and they're never found in a lake?
Speaker 7 (23:46):
Typically they don't just vanish, Especially in the lake, there
are certain undercurrents that do pull things down. But the
big problem we had because we know where to look
to start the search. So that's why we ended up
with helicopters searching the entire lake, the entire coachline, and
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then as the search progressed, we put dogs in around
the resort. Obviously the scuba divers we did under it,
through all the reeds and everywhere. It's a very difficult
area to search in the first place. One the altitude,
so everyone sees a beautiful lake. It's about six thousand
(24:31):
feet above sea level. There's three mountain ridges we have
to cross to get there, so we're operating at peak
performance of the helicopter. And then due to just pure
size and thankfully the family members who were in contact
(24:53):
with us, that's the only information we had. People say,
did we speak to witnesses, Well, there weren't anywhere. This
is because they'd all gone. The people on the ground
were unfriendly because of the press attention that was coming
their way. So that's why I became a protracted search
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in a sense.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Okay, Chris aka Razor Sharp Guys. He starved teen years
in the Royal Navy Police Special Investigations. He's a certified
criminal investigator. Chris several follow up questions regarding what you
just said. Number one referred to a difficulty in searching,
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but what you described seems to me like a difficulty
in the helicopter search. As a diver, I've done hundreds
of dives. I've never had a problem diving in a
lake because when I think of a problem as a
dive searcher, I think of chopping water, which largely goes
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away once you get below the surface of the chop.
I think of murky water where you can't see in
front of yourself, like you're doing a night dive. The
water is so murky. But when you're doing this search,
forget about the land search and the helicopter search. Was
the water search itself.
Speaker 7 (26:20):
Difficult, Yes, because of the large expanse of water, and
even if you take the bay into account where the
resort was, that is still a massive area for the divers.
So they did various search patterns, but they can't. It
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drops off really deep, really quick, because we didn't have
a start point of any description. That's what frustrated a
lot of the efforts.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Is it true, Chris, that this lake is one hundred
and twenty feet deep at its deepest and it is
fifty plus square miles.
Speaker 7 (27:04):
Yes, that is correct.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Okay, don't you believe it would have helped you if
those familiar with her last known sighting could have told
you specifically where they were.
Speaker 7 (27:18):
Absolutely, because we could have focused everything on that point.
At one stage, we had three helicopters, two dive teams,
the search dogs searching everywhere because we had nobody physically
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say it was over there. We've got various accounts, but
they will differ. None of them are corroborative.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
You're getting different stories about where she was.
Speaker 7 (27:51):
Yeah, so some people say, oh, they were over here,
and then we had a position, which was the other
side of the lake.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Is someone's they're very very mistaken or they're outright a line?
And again, let me repeat, no one has been named
a suspect or even a person of interest in this case.
We've had a lot of stories, a lot of information
coming our way, as have Nikki and Jonathan. Can't corroborate it,
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cannot corroborate it. Question, Chris, did you bring out cadaver dogs?
Speaker 10 (28:28):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Did they hit?
Speaker 2 (28:31):
No?
Speaker 7 (28:31):
So what the reason we introduced the dogs was because
of the stories that the family were being fed. The
fact that we had. Nobody could actually prove to me
to be honest, she was actually on the lake. We're
just going on the few witness accounts that we had.
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So the last search is that we did. We took
the kadaver dogs to do that entire all around the
hostel where they were staying and the other hostels. It's
not a very big place. And then we put the
divers under the piers in amongst the reeds and almost
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a body search essentially morek into a police search than
a search and rescue.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Chris Sharp, did the condemn dogs hit negative? Isn't it
true Chris Sharp, that cadaver dogs will hit on the
water if there's a dead body.
Speaker 7 (29:30):
Yes, we investigated that because of the scent that flows
across the surface. It's not particularly windy, it's not particularly rough,
but the dogs nothing.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Chris, how soon after Nancy quote vanished? Did you bring
in the dogs?
Speaker 7 (29:50):
Initially it was probably a week later, because we had
to search the entire lake in case you'd swum ashore.
Because you swimmer shore around the corner, you can't get
out of there because it's the cliffs and the etc.
Then we had spewer's reports and psychic people telling us.
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So we searched the entire perimeter of the lake, and
obviously from the helicopter we can see vertically down quite
a depth and it's the fastest way to do it.
So maybe two weeks into it.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Where do you have expected a cadem doctor hit after
two weeks.
Speaker 7 (30:32):
Yes, we spoke to a bunch of guys in the
United States and the dog handlers down here, and that's
the reason we took them, because they felt it was
a worthwhile option. If they said that, we wouldn't have
used them.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Can you say that people on the ground were unfriendly
and not cooperative? What happened?
Speaker 7 (30:54):
So obviously when I named two persons of interest, retreat
leader and the female, I've tried contacting them. Obviously the
family had we've got nothing. I named them, and then
I received threats from anonymous people saying you've got the
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wrong retreat. It's not that one, it's somewhere else. It's
just and they don't like they operate on tourism, and obviously,
being in the news as much as they were, they're
not particularly friendly. What we're used to that.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
You know, to Nikki and Jonathan Ing listening to Chris
sharp described as search. It just seems to me if
this were as straightforward as we've been led to believe,
that she's suddenly on the middle of a lake that's
fifty square miles twelve hundred feet deep at his deepest,
it's very, very deep. Amateur divers rarely go be low
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one hundred okay, much less twelve hundred fate if it
were as straightforward as we're being told that she suddenly
jumped off for kayak to go for a swim, Why
is everyone being so sacretive I'm not helping. Has that
crossed your mind, Nikki?
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah, it's just it doesn't make sense. It doesn't feel
like the right response to just leave, And it's just
how can we direct our search themes If you don't
know where to look? The only person that was with
Nancy is a willing to speak to them, How do
they know where to look? It feels near impossible.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Jonathan Ing, did you realize that Sidekicks had been consulted?
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Yeah, they were reaching out to us, trying to offer
us their services. Some of them sent us what they
had seen, just un prompted. I think I remember one
instance where the shot organizer we talked about him Eddie.
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He had circled two points on a map with his
like iPhone and we left from here, and this is
where you'll Findancy. And they were just both ridiculously wrong.
He was insisting this is where you'll Financy, this is
where we were. The part where he circled his own
location was incorrect, and definitely the part where he circled
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where Nancy was was way too far. It was literally
in this of lake where Chris said it was literally impossible.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Not helpful at all. I find it very difficult to
understand why if she drowned, why cadaver dogs did not
hit on the saying the cadaver dogs that Chris Razor
Sharp brought out. Quick question Nikki Jonathan what happened to
her cell phone?
Speaker 4 (33:41):
Her cell phone was left with her belongs in the hotel.
She decided not to bring it because she was worried
about losing it.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
To Nikki and Jonathan Ing, the brother and sister of Nancy,
do you ever dream of her because the case is unresolved.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
I've jumped of her back at our family's home when
we were growing up. I've seen her like in my
head in my dreams at the park together with her.
I see her in front of what I imagined to
be like her first home. It's confusing. It's hard to
know how to feel about everything and what happened and
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where is she now?
Speaker 2 (34:18):
NICKI yeah, I dream of her all the time, and
it's hard. In those dreams, she's happy, and I miss
seeing that. I miss the way she laughs. I think
it's just we don't have closure, so that's all we
have to hold on to.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
And even just two weeks ago during.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
The start, we got a photo of Nancy from someone
claiming that they found her through the sex trafficking ring.
And it's just things like that that make that emotional limbo. Hell,
it's torture to not know what happened.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Wait a minute, hold on, Nikki, you got a photo
totally of your sister and the person that said it
said that she was in a sex she'd been sex trafficked.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
I mean, we've gotten the countless extortion texts and calls,
but the FBI have ruled most of them out as
just that, like, we don't really have Nancy. It's just
hard to see that and not think otherwise.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
So in addition and not having answers, you have all
these guls contacting you claiming they know where Nancy is,
including that she's been sex trafficked.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Yeah, and I think that's why we're trying so hard
to get these search teams out there, because we just
want some sort of closure and I don't want to
imagine that she's out there suffering.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Crime stores with Nancy Grace joining us now a special Yes,
Doctor Chavon, Scott's psychotherapist and author of the Minds of
mass Killers, Understanding and Interrupting Pathway to Violence and game Addiction,
the experience and the effects, Doctor Cheven, thank you for
(36:16):
being with us now. See again, I'm projecting. But when
my fiance was murdered, I knew what happened. I knew
what happened. His body was at his funeral, he was buried.
When you don't know what happened to the one you
love the most, and you dream, for instance, of them
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walking in the door, of meeting them on the street,
of seeing them across a field, it's maddening. It's hell you.
First of all, you can't grieve. You don't know that
they're dead, or have they been sex trafficked, have they
been kidnapped? What happened to them. If they are dead,
how did they die, what did they suffer? You don't know.
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You don't have any thing or any place to mourn.
It is a living hell and it never ends.
Speaker 11 (37:05):
Doctor chavn nailed it. You nailed it, Nancy. This is
really the family's worst nightmare, a loved one who disappears,
and we don't have the true story, We don't have
the details. I would like the in family to realize
that what they're experiencing is not just grief. Grief is
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hard enough, right, We've all been through that, it's awful,
But this is what we call ambiguous loss, and that
means your heart is caught between hope and despair, between
searching and mourning, and that emotional limbo is devastating. There's
no closure, there's no roadmap, and that makes it harder
to cope than almost any other kind of loss. And
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we really need to reach out to our support system.
Heart to heart connections help people get through incredibly difficult things.
But my heart just goes out to them, and I
think they're doing all the rights by trying to get
this dialogue going and to keep it in the media,
because every missing person, it's a ripple that affects all
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of us.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Let me understand, Nikki and Jonathan. There's only one person
that claims to have seen her before she vanished, right,
the public defender, the female just one. Nobody else on
the excursion.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
Other participants. They were on the shore, they couldn't see
any details. They just saw two dots. And the only
person that was actually there to be able to see
everything happen was the attorney was Christy.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
So other than her word for what happened, for all
I know, Nancy could have been taken.
Speaker 9 (38:43):
I don't think we'll ever know for sure because even
the people that have spoken to Christina have different accounts
of what she said, the conflicting information, so we don't
know much as what.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
She's told.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Christina has told other particips Pins that she's not sure
if Nancy jumps into the league or if she fell
from her kayak, and that's very different from what her
attorney is now seeing.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
She's said that she didn't hear anything, that's he just
kind of vanished. She's also said in different concepts she
heard a struggle, and those are really difficult details to
mess up and to see two ways of and her
not even talking to us this gives me less clue
about who she is as a person, or maybe it
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tells me more about who she is as a person.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Doctor Chavon Scott questioned to you, you would expect for
witnesses material witnesses such as the woman believed to be
the last person to see Nancy alive, everybody else in
the group, the excursion coordinator, and more. We would expect
them to stay and try to find her and expect
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for everyone to be forthcoming. This is what I saw her,
this is what happened to me. It doesn't make sense
psychologically for them to just leave.
Speaker 11 (40:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think any of us putting ourselves
in that kind of situation, we would be devastated and
we would be doing everything we possibly could to try
to give the police information to scour the lake look
for the vicinity. Is there anything we can come up
with that would be helpful? And I think, speaking for myself,
(40:28):
it would be hard to prime me away from that.
So it does seem counterintuitive, but sometimes people can be
influenced by somebody's panic reaction who says, oh, we've all
got to get out of here. I think it just
doesn't all add up, as everyone has said, it's different
(40:48):
than the way most of us would imagine acting in
a situation like this, where we would be panicked about
trying to find the person. So I think there are
so many of these gray areas where things just don't
feel right, and it leaves the family in limbo just
wondering and ruminating, which is a perfectly normal reaction. We'd
(41:09):
all be doing that, but you know, and legally can
anything be done, And at this point, without more evidence,
we just hope that somebody comes forward or there's something
that can clear it up.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
To Nancy and Jonathan Ing, Nancy Ang's brother and sister,
did the public defender the lawyer the last one believed
to have seen your sister in law. Have you tried
to reach her? Has she contacted you?
Speaker 3 (41:34):
No, she's never contacted us.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
But we've tried to reach out to her via emails
and even through the US Embassy Saniel letter on our behalf.
She's never responded. She's refused to help search teams. And
while we can understand the panic in the moment to
come back home to safety in California, why not offer
your help then when you're back to safety.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
It just doesn't make.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Sense now, Remember there's a reason that hearsay is typically
not allowed in court. When you hear she told me
that she said that cannot be cross examined or tested.
These are unconfirmed reports. No one has been charged, No
one is a suspect, no one is a person of interest.
(42:19):
What we want is the truth. Where is Nancy two?
Scott Iiker joining us, founding member of the FBI Cellular
Analysis Survey Team. That so Can founding member of the
FBI Cellular Analysis Team currently with Precision Cellular Analysis. Scott,
(42:43):
thank you for being with us. What if anything could
be called from her cell phone?
Speaker 10 (42:49):
There's a ton of stuff that could be called from
her cell phone, not only the device itself and all
the text messages, all the apps that she's used, all
the website she's into, but also from the cell phone
towers in that area. I don't know that area in
Guatemala and how much coverage they do have, but that's
(43:10):
one thing that the FBI could be working with a
Guatemalan government to try to obtain, you know what, towers
that she was using before or after she went missing,
to see if there's any data there that they could
recover that might help in this situation.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Scott Iiker, wouldn't the cell phone reveal texts and phone
calls leading up to hurt disappearance? Who were there? Was
there any controversy, were there any mad feelings? I mean,
how long does that data stay in the cloud?
Speaker 10 (43:42):
It really depends, you know, the cloud servers for whatever
service she's using there in Guatemala, and if she's using
any applications that are US based or based anywhere else,
that could stay there a good amount of time. Plus
the stuff in her phone will stay there. So hopefully
they recovered her phone and they've done an extraction of
(44:04):
the data on there and review that to see if
there's any controversy or any issues prior to her going missing.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
You're hearing Scott Iiker joining US an expert in cellular
analysis formerly with the FBI, now a precision cellular analysis.
You know, Chris Sharp. The search, your search or extensive
search for me leads to even more questions.
Speaker 7 (44:29):
Absolutely, so search is not we don't just go out
and fly around into It is based on human behavior,
what people do. The circumstances around like oh, she fell
off a kayak and it's like, so you didn't try
(44:49):
and help your fellow human in the water. People don't
just sink immediately. It's so frustrating. And then the fact
that they had all change the flights and gone by
the time we were even contacted, So is we had
no first time to count from anybody apart from what
(45:10):
the family gave us.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Nicki and Jonathan, Ang, what is your message tonight? First
to you?
Speaker 9 (45:17):
Nicki, I think our message is that we are not
vengeful people. We truly just want the truth about what
happened to our sister and as much information as we
can get to find her and bring her home.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Jonathan, it's upset.
Speaker 3 (45:34):
I'm frustrated.
Speaker 4 (45:35):
I'm upset, and I just really hope that those who
have information, those who are responsible, that they come forth
still after all this time, that they come forth.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
So that they can give us what we need to
find our sister.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
Jonathan, what haunts you the most the fact that you
don't know where her body is or that she may
still be alive.
Speaker 4 (46:00):
I think the thought that she may still be alive
is it's a lot. Yeah, I don't want her to
be out there suffering.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Nick What disturbs you the most about your sister's disappearance.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
I think all of it.
Speaker 9 (46:20):
I just can't wrap my head around the fact that
people can just pick up and leave and not help
at all. I mean, Nancy was the kind of person
that went out of her way to help anybody, even strangers,
and so the fact that she's potentially gone forever and
that the people that were last with her are not
(46:42):
willing to help at all, it just really breaks me heart.
Speaker 4 (46:47):
It really painful getting information about our sister, not even
through the witnesses directly, but through learning about it through
national television. I just wish there was a die so
we can learn more.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
Where is Nancy, what happened to her, could she still
be alive? And under what circumstances. No one has been charged,
No one is a suspect, no one is a person
of interest. For all we know, these players' behavior could
(47:22):
be innocently explained, but we don't know that because there
seems to be a wall of silence surrounding the disappearance
of Nancy. Inc. If you know or think you know
anything about the disappearance of Nancy INNG, please please come forward.
(47:46):
In this family's suffering six two six, six one four
three two one eight repeat six two six six one
four three two one eight or email help us find
Nancy at gmail dot com. We remember an American hero,
(48:08):
Sergeant David Prarie Baton Rouge p D. Seventeen years with
law enforcement, killed in the line of duty along with
partner Corporal Scottie Canna zero and a helicopter crash. American
Hero Sergeant David Parier. Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend.
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