January 30, 2019 • 39 mins
The deaths of a Texas mother and her two young daughters, which a medical examiner first believed was a murder-suicide case, is now being investigated by the FBI. Bexar County Sheriff Javier Salazar rejected that conclusion and then requested the FBI's help with “technical and investigative” work in connection with the deaths of 37-year-old Nichol Olsen and her two daughters, Alexa Montez, 16, and London Bribiescas, 10. Nancy Grace looks at the case with private investigator Jon “JT” Tipton, psychologist Dr. William July, prosecutor Kenya Johnson, and Crime Stories reporter Robyn Walensky.
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Stories with Nancy Grace. I knew something as bad as
all taped off. A grizzly discovery upending the Innaqua Springs
Ranch neighborhood today. After spending the night somewhere else, A
man came home this morning to find a woman whom
he was dating and two people believed to be her
younger relatives dead. It appears that they're all three year
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deceased due to gunshot wounds to the upper parts of
their body. Sheriff Javier Salazar said the younger too, at
least appeared to have been murdered. It's just too early
to tell on the third person. If that is a
murder or a suicide, we'll let We'll let the medical
examiner take a look at it. Media was not allowed
past the gates, but we saw several visibly emotional people
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making their way in on foot please callow and from
the air. Numerous Sheriff's office vehicles could be seen parked
by the four and a half thousand square foot home,
and naturally, this is not a common area for us
to see this sort of activity, but it just goes
to show that crime really knows no boundaries. So the
deaths still took neighbors by surprise. Yes, shocking. This is
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a very peaceful, quiet neighborhood and nothing like this has
ever happened before. The Sheriff's hoping neighbors may have heard
or seen something that could be useful, or perhaps picked
it up on a surveillance or doorbell camera. Check that
footage and share it with us if they seem like
if it seems like it's something out of the ordinary,
we'd like to know about it. We have not yet
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received official confirmation on the identities of the three deceased. However,
a man identifying himself as an uncle coming into the
facility told us that one of the three was named
Nicole Olson. That was also a name we found on
online records as a resident of that house. Texas police
unconvinced a thirty seven year old mother found dead with
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her two little girls killed herself. They state they fear
a murderer. Quote on no one's radar is on the loose.
I mean to see, Grace, this is crime stories. Thank
you for being with us. I don't understand it either.
Nicole Olson and her two little girls found dead in
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a San Antonio upscale neighborhood. The Meme Medical Examiner has
ruled the death initially as a suicide and the girls
as a murder victims. But I don't believe that. And
you know guess who agrees with me, Sheriff Jerry Salazar.
The sheriff is very, very unsatisfied with the theory that
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this young, beautiful mom, just thirty seven years old, with
everything before her, no hint of depression, killed herself and
her two little girls in a mansion. Joining me right now, JT. Tipton,
private investigator and founder of Sinco Paco Security in investigations
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right there in the area, Doctor William July, psychologist at
doctor William July dot com. Veteran felony prosecutor, Kenya Johnson
and joining me right now, Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter,
author of A Beautiful Life, The CSI behind the Casey
Anthony trial on Amazon, Robin will Lensky. Robin, I'm not
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buying it either. Let's start at the beginning. What happened
with Nicole Olsen. Well, she's living in this very beautiful
million dollar home that belongs to her boyfriend. They've been
for about eighteen months, and she lived in this house,
gorgeous house that has a pool, it's brick, it has
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a cabata so you could go outside. It's in a
beautiful gated community where the homes start at a million
dollars and go up. And she is there for the
spending the night with her two girls, ages sixteen and ten.
And the boyfriend he's not there. He's apparently staying at
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a relative house for whatever reason. And the timeline is
that they go to bed and the next thing you know,
nine o'clock in the morning, there's a nine one one
call to the police that these three women have been
shot to death and that they're dead. And that is
all we know to this point. A ten year old
little girl, her big six turn just sixteen. I'm taking
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a look right now at Nicole Olson. Police do not
believe she killed herself. And that's a big problem. When
your medical examiner jumps up with a theory like that,
I think there's a problem, and I'll tell you what
the problem is. The problem is going to be the
trajectory paths of those bullets. That is the answer. Did JT.
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Tipton Private investigator, founder of Synco Pacer Security and Investigations,
right there in Texas. You know, I'm not buying it. JT. Tipton.
Sum's not right here. But what do you know? You know, Nancy,
I can tell you from when I first found out
about the case, the incident. I was actually in North
Carolina Worth working with doctor Warr Petler on another case.
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I got home and I had several voicemails on my phone,
and at that point in time, nobody knew what was
going on. I actually was able to listen to Sheriff
Salazar several times given some information out publicly, which you know,
maybe he should have done, maybe he shouldn't have done.
I tend to agree that he probably shouldn't have released
any of that information because, as you know, the most
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important time frame in a case like what what's specific
information is it that you believe JT. Tiptons should not
have been released. He should not have said anything about,
in my opinion, about any of the subspectology, which as
you know, is probably not the correct way to pursue
this type of the case. I believe maybe they should
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have aired on the side of caution and performed some
victimology especially within the first forty eight hours. Yeah, you
know what, You're right about the victimology aspect of this, guys.
This is what we know right now. The shocking deaths
of a young mom with a beautiful smile and her
two little girls sixteen and ten, have been found dead
in a Texas mansion. It has shot the community where
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they live and apparently stupefy local police who say they're
not satisfied with the theory that these three died by
suicide murder. Robin Willinsky with me Crime online dot Com
investigative reporter Robin, why do the cops? Why are they
rejecting the medical examiner's theory, which is very rare for
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the cops to go up against what the emmy says.
It is extremely rare. And here's why. She had her
own business. She was a hairdresser. She was working, She
was upbeat. She always has a smile on her face.
She was engaged in her children's lives. The older girl
was in cheerleading, the younger girl was involved in all
sorts of activities at her school. There's no suicide note,
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there's no why upsetting crying phone call, there's no threats
of suicide by all means she was a happy, go
lucky woman enjoying the live or two daughters. And by
the way, she also has a son who's in his
early twenties, and no one knew she was depressed. So
it's very at a step that this woman would commit suicide. Man,
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this lady does not look like she has a twenty
something year old son. She looks like she's twenty herself.
You know, something's not right to Kenya Johnson, felony prosecutor.
When I was talking about the trajectory paths of the bullets,
I think that's very significant in this case, and I'd
like to find out what the emmy has to say
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about that, because I believe someone shot all three of them,
that the target was the mother, and then the other
two the sixteen and ten year old, were killed because
they were witnesses. I want to find out where they
were lying. Were they all together? You know sometimes when
parents kill their children they all then like tuck them
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into bed or some weird thing like that. I want
to find out where they in the midst of a struggle.
But that trajectory path on the mom, because of her wound,
is at an angle that shows me she could not
have done it herself, then the emmy is all wrong.
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Kenyan Johnson, That's why that's so critical. I agree, Nancy.
I commended the authorities for going beyond or what the
medical examiners say, as it's easy to close on a
case and just say suicide, but there's so much more
information that needs to be gathered. The medical examiner has
the limited information in front of him, what's on the
autopsy table, whereas the sheriffs, you know, all of the
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circumstantial evidence around it, or at least they're trying to
put that together. They have much more information. So for
the medical examiner or for the information about suicide be
released so prematurely, it really needs to come with an explanation.
How is the medical examiner saying this is suicide? What
makes something fat? And that is going to be challenged
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in this investigation going forward. Listen, I want them to cry,
I want them to vent, I want them to hug.
I want everyone to love each other and just be
together in this time. It makes me happy to know
that they were so loved and that they're going to
be missed. She was obsessed with tacos. That girl could
put them down. I don't know where they went, but
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she could put them down, and she spread so much
stoy and loft everywhere, and everybody wants to support Nicole
and step forward to defend her honor. All firmly believe
together as three families, that Nicole's a victim in this
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I think the family and her friends are going to
do everything we can to make sure that the truth
comes to light. What may sound like an open and
shut case is far from over, according to Sheriff Javier Sala.
He says, given the public response, especially over social media,
he's hoping that people will share information with the Sheriff's
office that could be helpful. They may have a screenshot
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in their possession of some of the social media use
by at least one of the decedents in this case.
We'd like to see that. Even if you feel like
it may or may not be something that we should
be interested in, Please please share that with us now,
the sheriff says. Even though the death's last Thursday of
sixteen year old Alexemonthis and a ten year old girl
believed to be her sister or ruled homicides, and Montis's
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mother was ruled as a suicide, The sheriff says that
they are still actively investigating various aspects of the case,
in talking to everyone that who would possibly have any
knowledge about what may have led up to this day
tragic day last Thursday at the Annaqua Springs Ranch home
where they lived, and also certainly what may have occurred
inside that house. And so again they're trying to make
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sure that what every information is revealed in their investigation
coincidence with what the medical examiner has already ruled. They
are asking the Sheriff's office is asking anyone with information
to call their homicide unit at two ten three three
five six Z seven zero, or certainly to email any
information to BCSO tips at their dot org. You were
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hearing our friends at KSATABC thirteen. That was Jesse da
Gilotto with an update. I'm not buying it either, and
when you have the share of going up against a
medical examiner, that is very very unusual. We were also
learning that the boyfriend wheel Are boyfriend of one year,
told Blasi Stade that not at a his home out
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of town the night before the bodies were found. Says
he came home at nine a m. To find the
grizzly scene huh, why do we know Robert Lenitsky was
he that night of all nights, staying with a relative
out of town? And what time do they place the murders?
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No idea, and no idea call it saying what time
they believe that the three died. And also we have
no idea why he is suddenly somewhere else. And here's
here's a huge nugget. The sheriff is waiting for the
cell phone records. You could say, he could say he
was in New York City or in Timbuktu or wherever
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he was. But his phone is being checked and so
they are waiting. It's a very laborious process, but they
are waiting to see was he really, you know, with
his aunt Mary or whatever he claims where he was.
Nancy straight out to Dr William July, psychologist. You can
find a doctor William July dot com if you have
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information two one zero, three, three, five six oh seven, oh,
doctors July. She's right about the cell phone records. The
sheriff is waiting right now for that. What do they
believe it will reveal? Doctor July. Well, you know, there's
all there's always a trail of behavior to a trail
of of I'm not a lawyer, but evidence to human behavior.
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I'm speaking as a psychologist because I look at evidence
as well. Whenever there's behavior, I call it behavior of interest.
There's always something that's going to signal and flag you
to what a person is doing. And sometimes it's not obvious.
And that's where a psychologist comes in. Cell Phone records
can reveal patterns, they can reveal sometimes one little nugget
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of information which points into a different direction. So even
to me as a psychologist, though I'm not doing a
criminal investigation, things like that, I look at all those
things to take those into account because I'm looking for
what I call a pattern of behavior of venturest This
mom living in her boyfriend's mansion at that Anaqua Springs
ranch home, now dead. And this is what Sheriff Salazar says.
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He has not seen any documents yet stating any more
than a cause manner and causing manner of death. And
he says, quote the medical examiner says it's a suicide
based on what they saw. They have a more limited
evidence bank to pick from. I have forensics and the
crime scene and witness interviews and phone records and everything
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in some cases when the Emmy rules suicide, there are
corroborating things I don't have that I don't have. A
suicide note, a depressed phone call, a witness. I don't
have any of those things. Most cases are so much
more clear cut than this one. He adds that while
he has no evidence to refute the suicide finding, the
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case will not be closed until he's satisfied that this
was a suicide. Um. He goes on to say, if
I didn't think there was even a slight chance they
were murdered, we would have written this off a long
time ago. And I agree with him. Everyone that knows
her and her former husband has angrily dismissed the idea
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she would ever have heard her own children. Also, the
daughter London was set to try out for America's Got
Talent the day after she died. I mean to me
out to private investigator and found her sencopec So Security
and Investigations right there near this home. JT. Tipton is
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with us. JT. Why is the sheriff so concerned? This
is a homicide, a triple homicide? What about it? You
want to answer? That's a good question. There are so
many factors, so many unknowns to believe that there's some
political pressure. If you look at the demographics of this
family and of the victims, they're wealthy, they're very attractive,
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they're living in a very nice home and one of
the most affluent neighborhoods in the Burning area. And I
just seem to think that there could be some political
pressure to make it look like they're trying to solve
this case when in reality, I don't have the resources
to do it. I've got a question now, Wheeler. The
boyfriend has not spoken out, says Nicole and the little
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girls were found dead. To doctor Williams July psychologist, that's
very odd or is it the natural? You know, the
natural impulse for someone is to want to speak out
into you know. Again, the lawyers could address apart about
whether or not he can or should and what that
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might mean. But if you haven't done this, the natural
thing for a person and want to do is you
want to get out. You want to tell everyone, Hey,
I didn't do this, what happened? Will you help me? Please?
There's all you know, a person's going to come out
almost desperate to fine information and help. But of course,
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you know he may be restrained by legal counsel in
doing that in a situation like this, But certainly your
natural impulse is going to be to get out and
do anything and everything you can, and that's often what
the public is, the jury of your peers in the
public is often doing, is looking for a person to
show that kind of concern. Tell me about the area.
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What do you think? JT. Tipton, you're there on the samee.
What do you know? It's quite a few people that
are very close to mister Wheeler, and the large majority
say that that Nicole never could have done this. We've
all heard that before. What you've also heard rumors that
this is not the first event for mister Wheeler, that
he's also had some sort of other physical altercations in
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the pen. Now, okay, I understand you're talking about the boyfriend.
What do you what do you mean physical altercations in
the past. From what I'm being told and from what
I understand from several sources that are again first first
person connections to those victims and to mister Wheeler, that
mister Wheeler has had some physical altercations with previous girlfriends
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or previous relationships in the m Guys take a listen
to this. Thirty seven year old Nicole Leelo Olsen was
found dead in the home just outside of San Antonio, Texas,
along with two teenage girls who were members of the family.
Now we're hearing that Nicole has at least three children.
Police said that Olsen's boyfriend, who lives at the home
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with the three ladies, called nine one one after he
found the bodies. He is the owner of that home,
which he purchased last year. Now, the county sheriff said
that the two girls looked to have been the victims
of foul play and that they appeared to have been murdered.
The sheriff also said of Nicole Olsen that it's just
too early to tell if it was a murder or
a suicide. And then a medical examiner I'll be taking
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We've got several deceased individuals inside of a house. It
appears that there's there's four residents in this house that
we know of this morning. One of the residents, a
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male that had that had stayed outside the house last night.
Is the information we have. He came home this morning
to find the other three residents deceased. It appears that
they're then all three year deceased due to gunshot wounds
to the other parts of their body. That three decedents
are female, Two of them are pretty young, believed to
be in their teens. And then the third is a
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woman believed to be in our thirties. Beyond that, we
couldn't speculate as to cause of death at this point.
It's just too early to tell is considered a murder,
murder suicide. We well, we do believe at this point
that at least at least two of them appear to
be murders. Of course, the the medical examiner will make
that final determination. It's just too early to tell on
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the third person. If that is a murder or suicide,
we'll let the medical examiner take a look at it.
What I can tell you is that the BCSO CSI
unit is here, we have our mobile crime lab out
on scene, and we're being meticulous about how this scene
is process for certain certainly homicide is also speaking to
the male occupant of the residence, and we're hoping that
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that as this investigation unfolds, it'll be able to shed
more light on not only what was going on before
last night, but also what may have happened this morning.
You are hearing from the sheriff Sheriff Javier Salazar speaking
about the discovery of three dead bodies and an Anaqua
Springs Ranch mansion. At first, it's believed that it was
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a suicide murder. But would a mother kill her two
teen girl one day before the one of them was
set to audition for America's Got Talent. It's just not
all fitting together to so many people join me right now?
Is JT. Timpton, private investigator of Syncopace of Security. They're
in Texas. What about the cell phone records? JT? Well, Nancy,
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I would think, first of all, cell phone records. Both
all three of the major carriers have emergency departments that
are specifically set up to receive subpoenas awards from law enforcement,
and they're responded to, generally within twenty four hours or sooner,
depending on if there's life at danger. So it's hard
for me to believe that law enforcement or Bear County
doesn't already have those cell phone records in hand which
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will do what I hold on just a just a moment, JT. JT. Tipton,
Private investigator JT. You can get the cell phone records,
like which calls were made, which incoming calls were made,
But as far as pings go, for instance, placing the
boyfriend to live in the owner of this mansion, placing
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his whereabouts. That's another can of worms. How quickly can
you get ping data? Data is retained for several years.
They can get that instantly as well. I do it
in my civil cases when I'm doing stalking and harassment typecases.
It takes a little bit longer, not being law enforcement,
but I do know that law enforcement can have access
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to that almost instantly if they want it. Well, I
think you're absolutely right about that, JT. Tipton. So we're
you believe the police have the cell phone data right now,
and JT. Wouldn't that include texts as well? Well? They'll
have an occurrence that a text transmitted. What they should
have done, what I would have done if I were
law enforcement looking at this, I would have issued a
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preservation order on all cell phones that were thought to
be in conjunction or associated with this case, to include
doing a cell powered jump from the main towers around
the knockwork springs to look for similarities or anomalies. You know.
And now you're talking technical talk because you dummy down
for him employees quickly. Yeah, Basically, what we want to
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do is we want to look at who was on
the cell phone towers and it could be thousands. However,
if we were to go in to, say mister Wheeler's
cell phone or it's on a cool cell phone, and
we now notice similarities between phone numbers that were called,
we could start to make some assumptions and maybe generate
a lead from that. So additionally, every cell phone is
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reaching out to a cell phone tower or vice versa
every three seconds. So when we look at using technology
to try to locate somebody, the first thing we should
remember is it's only going to show us where the
cell phone is, not necessarily the person who owns the
cell phone. So there's a little bit more work involved
than just ping the phone to verify whether or not
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mister Wheeler was at the residence or not. And do
doctor Williams July psychologist, doctor July, I say, the content
of those texts would be very very important. Doctors you lie?
Why absolutely? The content of texts. I mean, that's one
thing that's amazing about technology now is a text you
can look at a person's text history and essentially read
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that person and their activities and behaviors like a book.
You can even glean little inflections of behavior from text message.
Of course, it won't give you the full three D perspective,
but it can certainly give you enough information for an investigator.
I would say to raise some questions about angles and
look at you know what doctores July. Can you please
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be specific when you say you can glean slivers of
something you said from text? What do you mean by that?
Give me an example of what you're talking about so
I can understand. Well, that's a good, good point, Nancy.
You can look at, for example, the types of emojis
of persons using. People often break what their People often
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have a complete conversation by using emojis, So you look
at the types of emojis they're using. You look for words,
look for keywords of emotions that the person is. You know,
you know where they are, what they're saying, they're doing,
I miss you are are you back yet? Little things
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like that you didn't tell I've seen text messages where
people have entire conversations like that. And by looking at
those things and connecting it with the it's harder for
me as a psychologist because I only have that, I
only have one piece. But when you connect that with
a bigger picture of what an investigator is looking at,
and then they have a psychologist look at this type
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of information. It can be very interesting. You know, to
Atlanta prosecutor Kenyan Johnson, I hear what he's saying, and
that's pretty deep that you're trying to interpret emoji and
so forth. I'd be looking for, did they have an
argument via text that I could look at right before
the triple shooting. That's what I'd be looking at. This
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is all a new interesting body of science and the
sense of interpretation of the language of text communications. And
so this is something that when the case goes to trial,
or if you're looking at evidence a trial, having these
experts to talk about what this means and why a
person would use this phrasing and these abbreviations in this way,
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it's going to glean a lot into her emotions, right,
and so very interesting. And he already admitted the boyfriend
said that they had an argument the night before, and
so the extent of that argument, what were their arguments
like before? I think that's very significant. Kenya Kenyan Johnson
with me along with doctor William July, JT. Tipton, and
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The fact that Nicole Olsen's death for right now has
been ruled a suicide, we can't just say, oh, well,
then she must have been the one that did this
to these two little girls. We still have to go
out and find out who it was that killed these
two young ladies. The evidence may lead us right back
to somebody within the house, but it may not, and
it would be irresponsible of us to come to that
conclusion at this point when there's so much investigation being
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left to do. Let me just say I was briefed
by my investigators in this case on Saturday. We've been
on the phone quite a bit since then, and then
today again they briefed me. I don't know that I've
ever been more proud of a group of investigators as
I am in this case. They're leaving literally no stone unturned.
They're working through their days off, they're basically working around
the clock on this case and making sure that they're
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covering basis. They took evidence from that residence that you know,
maybe wasn't typical of cases in years past or in
times past, but I think it's the way we're doing
things moving forward here. I mentioned it at at the
press conference that day that I gave my sound bites
and made mention of the fact that they were wearing
biological suits. And again I'll reiterate the fact that in
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this case, we knew from the onset that this case
was going to rely heavily on trace evidence, and so
we have to be as investigators. We have to be
careful not to contaminate a crime scene because again you
realize that a hair fiber could make the total the
difference in a case, a fingerprint could make the difference
in a case. And so we're taking this case completely
by the numbers. And again, my investigators are being completely
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thorough up to and including not ruling out the fact
that there may be somebody here that wasn't even on
our radar before, but something that we find may lead
us to them. Well, that's not a very comforting thought
that there is a triple killer on the loose. That's
the Bear County Sheriff Javier Salazar. As we go to air,
are learning the FBI has joined the investigation into the
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triple homicide, the triple deaths of a mother and her
two little girls and a luxury San Antonio ranch house,
and that's according to the Bear County Sheriff's Office. With me,
Robin Willinski, Kenya Johnson, doctor William July, and JT. Tipton,
private eye, founder of Sinco Paco Security and Investigations, right
there and the same neck of woods. JT. Tipton, what
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can you tell me about the FBI coming in? You know,
I'm very confused about that. In my experience and based
on some conversations that I've had with some colleagues that
are retired federal law enforcement and a few that they're
actually still active, the FBI doesn't really get involved in
a case like this unless it's one involving children that
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have been adducted and taken across state lines, or if
there might be a foreign national involved that may be
trying to evade apprehension. I don't know the answer to that,
you know to Robo Willinski Crime online dot com investigative
reporter where this and every other breaking crime news story
you can find it right there at Crime Online. Robert Willinski,
the FBI has now joined into this investigation. What do
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you make of it? I make of it that they're
going to go through security cameras. This is a very
well to do area, as these are people that can
afford to have cameras inside and outside their homes. And
I think they're going to meticulously go through that neighborhood, Nancy,
and get video, whether it's ten twelve hours, and meticulously
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go through who went through that gate in that house,
who was walking around. The FBI is going to go
to the door and ask people what did you see
that night, what did you see that morning? And that's
why the FBI is joining this case. Well, the FBI
has access to resources the sheriff's office does not, simply
because it's federally funded. For instance, the sheriff said, in
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the event we need advice of some sort of a profiler,
well we don't have a profiler here, but the FBI does,
so it just opens up a lot more possibilities. Now.
The spokesperson, Special Agent Michelle Lee for the FBI San
Antonio office confirmed they are assisting even though there has
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been a government shutdown, They're assisting no matter what, whether
the government shuts down again, they're still assisting. But what
are they doing a significant number of personnel at the
FBI's national headquarters who normally assist with these type of
investigations have been furloaded. They're back on the job right now.
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Let's strike while the iron is hot now. The boyfriend,
Charlie wheel Or thirty one, tell me what do we know? JT. Tipton?
What does he do for a living? And how does
he happen to own a huge ranch mansion in Annaquis Springs?
How's that? What does he do? No, Charlie comes from
a very well to do family, very respectable family involved
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in oil fields here in Texas. They also own locally
a very large feed store that does quite well. I
think he's Charlie's, you know, kind of been born with
the silver spoon in his mouth and has been pretty
much handed everything that he has. Interesting does he have
a job? From what I understand, he does own and
operate an old field services company, So he's working, and
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I'm very curious. They've been dating for about one year?
Is that right? Robin Wilenski, Yeah, just a little over
a year. That is too. JT. Tipton, private investigator at
Cinco Paco Security. JT. What more can you tell me
about the boyfriend? Charlie wheel are thirty one years old, family,
they're in the community, they're very well respected within the community.
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They're very well politically connected. What do you mean by
that just with the local community, with the local leadership
ranging from you know, the local sheriff's office too, They're
just they're large contributors. I actually think it would be interesting,
and I haven't had time to do this. There's been
some public comments on some Facebook posts from very well
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known individuals locally here in the San Antonio Bear County area,
some political figures that are piping in, like Carlosures or
Carlos Euresti, who some of you may know was. I
believe he was just indicted on some criminal charges and
he's commenting on these posts. It couldn't have nothing to
do with it. And I'd like to see what kind
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of campaign contributions were made to mister Euresti's campaign account
from the Wheelers. I know this. I know that Nicole
Olson argue with her boyfriend the night before she and
her two daughters were found shot dead and his luxury
home in a gated neighborhood. I find it very difficult
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to believe, Kenyan Johnson, you're the felony prosecutor, that nobody
and this posh gated community had security cameras. Oh, this
is an ongoing investigation. I think as time goes on
and people begin to review their footage, as they hear
about this time, something is going to come out. This
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is the type of neighborhood that is well secured, and
as time goes on, we'll find more and more information.
In Kenya, Kenya plays. You know rich people, they have
all sorts of alarms, they have cameras, the works. So
if there was an intruder, you know he and you
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know it's a man. If there was an intruder, statistically,
it's got to be caught on camera. What's happening or
someone open walking their dog or taking out the trash.
Someone saw something and sometimes it takes a couple of
days to put their memory together and well who did
was that night? But things are still gonna come out,
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and we will find someone some of this neighborhood that
had to have seen something out of the ordinary. And
if they don't see something out of the ordinary, then
it leads towards it may have been the boyfriend because
nothing was out of the ordinary. Well, hold on, we
know that right now the boyfriend has not been named
a suspect. He has been named a person of interest
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to my understanding and the lawyers he already has lawyers.
One of his lawyers has expressed frustration with comments made
by the sheriff and has reiterated there's no problem cause
to indicate Wheeler committed any crime at all. So what
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happens next? Take a listen to the sheriff Sheriff Salazar speaking.
I said it out there at the crime scene that
crime knows no boundaries geographic or socioeconomic otherwise, and neither
does our manner investigating a case. Just the only difference
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between this case and others is many times other cases
are a lot more clear cut from the onset this one.
There's just way too many unanswered questions. But I can
tell you that what I've seen of my investigative staff
and the efforts that they're putting forward and how painstaking
their being, at some point we're going to have a
clearer picture. We're just not there yet. We wait as
justice unfolds. Tipline two one zero, three, three, five, six
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Stories with Nancy Grace. I knew something as bad as
all taped off. A grizzly discovery upending the Innaqua Springs
Ranch neighborhood today. After spending the night somewhere else, A
man came home this morning to find a woman whom
he was dating and two people believed to be her
younger relatives dead. It appears that they're all three year
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deceased due to gunshot wounds to the upper parts of
their body. Sheriff Javier Salazar said the younger too, at
least appeared to have been murdered. It's just too early
to tell on the third person. If that is a
murder or a suicide, we'll let We'll let the medical
examiner take a look at it. Media was not allowed
past the gates, but we saw several visibly emotional people
(02:14):
making their way in on foot please callow and from
the air. Numerous Sheriff's office vehicles could be seen parked
by the four and a half thousand square foot home,
and naturally, this is not a common area for us
to see this sort of activity, but it just goes
to show that crime really knows no boundaries. So the
deaths still took neighbors by surprise. Yes, shocking. This is
(02:35):
a very peaceful, quiet neighborhood and nothing like this has
ever happened before. The Sheriff's hoping neighbors may have heard
or seen something that could be useful, or perhaps picked
it up on a surveillance or doorbell camera. Check that
footage and share it with us if they seem like
if it seems like it's something out of the ordinary,
we'd like to know about it. We have not yet
(02:56):
received official confirmation on the identities of the three deceased. However,
a man identifying himself as an uncle coming into the
facility told us that one of the three was named
Nicole Olson. That was also a name we found on
online records as a resident of that house. Texas police
unconvinced a thirty seven year old mother found dead with
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her two little girls killed herself. They state they fear
a murderer. Quote on no one's radar is on the loose.
I mean to see, Grace, this is crime stories. Thank
you for being with us. I don't understand it either.
Nicole Olson and her two little girls found dead in
(03:40):
a San Antonio upscale neighborhood. The Meme Medical Examiner has
ruled the death initially as a suicide and the girls
as a murder victims. But I don't believe that. And
you know guess who agrees with me, Sheriff Jerry Salazar.
The sheriff is very, very unsatisfied with the theory that
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this young, beautiful mom, just thirty seven years old, with
everything before her, no hint of depression, killed herself and
her two little girls in a mansion. Joining me right now, JT. Tipton,
private investigator and founder of Sinco Paco Security in investigations
(04:23):
right there in the area, Doctor William July, psychologist at
doctor William July dot com. Veteran felony prosecutor, Kenya Johnson
and joining me right now, Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter,
author of A Beautiful Life, The CSI behind the Casey
Anthony trial on Amazon, Robin will Lensky. Robin, I'm not
(04:46):
buying it either. Let's start at the beginning. What happened
with Nicole Olsen. Well, she's living in this very beautiful
million dollar home that belongs to her boyfriend. They've been
for about eighteen months, and she lived in this house,
gorgeous house that has a pool, it's brick, it has
(05:07):
a cabata so you could go outside. It's in a
beautiful gated community where the homes start at a million
dollars and go up. And she is there for the
spending the night with her two girls, ages sixteen and ten.
And the boyfriend he's not there. He's apparently staying at
(05:27):
a relative house for whatever reason. And the timeline is
that they go to bed and the next thing you know,
nine o'clock in the morning, there's a nine one one
call to the police that these three women have been
shot to death and that they're dead. And that is
all we know to this point. A ten year old
little girl, her big six turn just sixteen. I'm taking
(05:49):
a look right now at Nicole Olson. Police do not
believe she killed herself. And that's a big problem. When
your medical examiner jumps up with a theory like that,
I think there's a problem, and I'll tell you what
the problem is. The problem is going to be the
trajectory paths of those bullets. That is the answer. Did JT.
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Tipton Private investigator, founder of Synco Pacer Security and Investigations,
right there in Texas. You know, I'm not buying it. JT. Tipton.
Sum's not right here. But what do you know? You know, Nancy,
I can tell you from when I first found out
about the case, the incident. I was actually in North
Carolina Worth working with doctor Warr Petler on another case.
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I got home and I had several voicemails on my phone,
and at that point in time, nobody knew what was
going on. I actually was able to listen to Sheriff
Salazar several times given some information out publicly, which you know,
maybe he should have done, maybe he shouldn't have done.
I tend to agree that he probably shouldn't have released
any of that information because, as you know, the most
(06:56):
important time frame in a case like what what's specific
information is it that you believe JT. Tiptons should not
have been released. He should not have said anything about,
in my opinion, about any of the subspectology, which as
you know, is probably not the correct way to pursue
this type of the case. I believe maybe they should
(07:16):
have aired on the side of caution and performed some
victimology especially within the first forty eight hours. Yeah, you
know what, You're right about the victimology aspect of this, guys.
This is what we know right now. The shocking deaths
of a young mom with a beautiful smile and her
two little girls sixteen and ten, have been found dead
in a Texas mansion. It has shot the community where
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they live and apparently stupefy local police who say they're
not satisfied with the theory that these three died by
suicide murder. Robin Willinsky with me Crime online dot Com
investigative reporter Robin, why do the cops? Why are they
rejecting the medical examiner's theory, which is very rare for
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the cops to go up against what the emmy says.
It is extremely rare. And here's why. She had her
own business. She was a hairdresser. She was working, She
was upbeat. She always has a smile on her face.
She was engaged in her children's lives. The older girl
was in cheerleading, the younger girl was involved in all
sorts of activities at her school. There's no suicide note,
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there's no why upsetting crying phone call, there's no threats
of suicide by all means she was a happy, go
lucky woman enjoying the live or two daughters. And by
the way, she also has a son who's in his
early twenties, and no one knew she was depressed. So
it's very at a step that this woman would commit suicide. Man,
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this lady does not look like she has a twenty
something year old son. She looks like she's twenty herself.
You know, something's not right to Kenya Johnson, felony prosecutor.
When I was talking about the trajectory paths of the bullets,
I think that's very significant in this case, and I'd
like to find out what the emmy has to say
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about that, because I believe someone shot all three of them,
that the target was the mother, and then the other
two the sixteen and ten year old, were killed because
they were witnesses. I want to find out where they
were lying. Were they all together? You know sometimes when
parents kill their children they all then like tuck them
(09:30):
into bed or some weird thing like that. I want
to find out where they in the midst of a struggle.
But that trajectory path on the mom, because of her wound,
is at an angle that shows me she could not
have done it herself, then the emmy is all wrong.
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Kenyan Johnson, That's why that's so critical. I agree, Nancy.
I commended the authorities for going beyond or what the
medical examiners say, as it's easy to close on a
case and just say suicide, but there's so much more
information that needs to be gathered. The medical examiner has
the limited information in front of him, what's on the
autopsy table, whereas the sheriffs, you know, all of the
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circumstantial evidence around it, or at least they're trying to
put that together. They have much more information. So for
the medical examiner or for the information about suicide be
released so prematurely, it really needs to come with an explanation.
How is the medical examiner saying this is suicide? What
makes something fat? And that is going to be challenged
(10:34):
in this investigation going forward. Listen, I want them to cry,
I want them to vent, I want them to hug.
I want everyone to love each other and just be
together in this time. It makes me happy to know
that they were so loved and that they're going to
be missed. She was obsessed with tacos. That girl could
put them down. I don't know where they went, but
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she could put them down, and she spread so much
stoy and loft everywhere, and everybody wants to support Nicole
and step forward to defend her honor. All firmly believe
together as three families, that Nicole's a victim in this
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I think the family and her friends are going to
do everything we can to make sure that the truth
comes to light. What may sound like an open and
shut case is far from over, according to Sheriff Javier Sala.
He says, given the public response, especially over social media,
he's hoping that people will share information with the Sheriff's
office that could be helpful. They may have a screenshot
(11:36):
in their possession of some of the social media use
by at least one of the decedents in this case.
We'd like to see that. Even if you feel like
it may or may not be something that we should
be interested in, Please please share that with us now,
the sheriff says. Even though the death's last Thursday of
sixteen year old Alexemonthis and a ten year old girl
believed to be her sister or ruled homicides, and Montis's
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mother was ruled as a suicide, The sheriff says that
they are still actively investigating various aspects of the case,
in talking to everyone that who would possibly have any
knowledge about what may have led up to this day
tragic day last Thursday at the Annaqua Springs Ranch home
where they lived, and also certainly what may have occurred
inside that house. And so again they're trying to make
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sure that what every information is revealed in their investigation
coincidence with what the medical examiner has already ruled. They
are asking the Sheriff's office is asking anyone with information
to call their homicide unit at two ten three three
five six Z seven zero, or certainly to email any
information to BCSO tips at their dot org. You were
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hearing our friends at KSATABC thirteen. That was Jesse da
Gilotto with an update. I'm not buying it either, and
when you have the share of going up against a
medical examiner, that is very very unusual. We were also
learning that the boyfriend wheel Are boyfriend of one year,
told Blasi Stade that not at a his home out
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of town the night before the bodies were found. Says
he came home at nine a m. To find the
grizzly scene huh, why do we know Robert Lenitsky was
he that night of all nights, staying with a relative
out of town? And what time do they place the murders?
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No idea, and no idea call it saying what time
they believe that the three died. And also we have
no idea why he is suddenly somewhere else. And here's
here's a huge nugget. The sheriff is waiting for the
cell phone records. You could say, he could say he
was in New York City or in Timbuktu or wherever
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he was. But his phone is being checked and so
they are waiting. It's a very laborious process, but they
are waiting to see was he really, you know, with
his aunt Mary or whatever he claims where he was.
Nancy straight out to Dr William July, psychologist. You can
find a doctor William July dot com if you have
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information two one zero, three, three, five six oh seven, oh,
doctors July. She's right about the cell phone records. The
sheriff is waiting right now for that. What do they
believe it will reveal? Doctor July. Well, you know, there's
all there's always a trail of behavior to a trail
of of I'm not a lawyer, but evidence to human behavior.
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I'm speaking as a psychologist because I look at evidence
as well. Whenever there's behavior, I call it behavior of interest.
There's always something that's going to signal and flag you
to what a person is doing. And sometimes it's not obvious.
And that's where a psychologist comes in. Cell Phone records
can reveal patterns, they can reveal sometimes one little nugget
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of information which points into a different direction. So even
to me as a psychologist, though I'm not doing a
criminal investigation, things like that, I look at all those
things to take those into account because I'm looking for
what I call a pattern of behavior of venturest This
mom living in her boyfriend's mansion at that Anaqua Springs
ranch home, now dead. And this is what Sheriff Salazar says.
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He has not seen any documents yet stating any more
than a cause manner and causing manner of death. And
he says, quote the medical examiner says it's a suicide
based on what they saw. They have a more limited
evidence bank to pick from. I have forensics and the
crime scene and witness interviews and phone records and everything
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in some cases when the Emmy rules suicide, there are
corroborating things I don't have that I don't have. A
suicide note, a depressed phone call, a witness. I don't
have any of those things. Most cases are so much
more clear cut than this one. He adds that while
he has no evidence to refute the suicide finding, the
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case will not be closed until he's satisfied that this
was a suicide. Um. He goes on to say, if
I didn't think there was even a slight chance they
were murdered, we would have written this off a long
time ago. And I agree with him. Everyone that knows
her and her former husband has angrily dismissed the idea
(16:20):
she would ever have heard her own children. Also, the
daughter London was set to try out for America's Got
Talent the day after she died. I mean to me
out to private investigator and found her sencopec So Security
and Investigations right there near this home. JT. Tipton is
(16:45):
with us. JT. Why is the sheriff so concerned? This
is a homicide, a triple homicide? What about it? You
want to answer? That's a good question. There are so
many factors, so many unknowns to believe that there's some
political pressure. If you look at the demographics of this
family and of the victims, they're wealthy, they're very attractive,
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they're living in a very nice home and one of
the most affluent neighborhoods in the Burning area. And I
just seem to think that there could be some political
pressure to make it look like they're trying to solve
this case when in reality, I don't have the resources
to do it. I've got a question now, Wheeler. The
boyfriend has not spoken out, says Nicole and the little
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girls were found dead. To doctor Williams July psychologist, that's
very odd or is it the natural? You know, the
natural impulse for someone is to want to speak out
into you know. Again, the lawyers could address apart about
whether or not he can or should and what that
(17:53):
might mean. But if you haven't done this, the natural
thing for a person and want to do is you
want to get out. You want to tell everyone, Hey,
I didn't do this, what happened? Will you help me? Please?
There's all you know, a person's going to come out
almost desperate to fine information and help. But of course,
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you know he may be restrained by legal counsel in
doing that in a situation like this, But certainly your
natural impulse is going to be to get out and
do anything and everything you can, and that's often what
the public is, the jury of your peers in the
public is often doing, is looking for a person to
show that kind of concern. Tell me about the area.
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What do you think? JT. Tipton, you're there on the samee.
What do you know? It's quite a few people that
are very close to mister Wheeler, and the large majority
say that that Nicole never could have done this. We've
all heard that before. What you've also heard rumors that
this is not the first event for mister Wheeler, that
he's also had some sort of other physical altercations in
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the pen. Now, okay, I understand you're talking about the boyfriend.
What do you what do you mean physical altercations in
the past. From what I'm being told and from what
I understand from several sources that are again first first
person connections to those victims and to mister Wheeler, that
mister Wheeler has had some physical altercations with previous girlfriends
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or previous relationships in the m Guys take a listen
to this. Thirty seven year old Nicole Leelo Olsen was
found dead in the home just outside of San Antonio, Texas,
along with two teenage girls who were members of the family.
Now we're hearing that Nicole has at least three children.
Police said that Olsen's boyfriend, who lives at the home
(19:39):
with the three ladies, called nine one one after he
found the bodies. He is the owner of that home,
which he purchased last year. Now, the county sheriff said
that the two girls looked to have been the victims
of foul play and that they appeared to have been murdered.
The sheriff also said of Nicole Olsen that it's just
too early to tell if it was a murder or
a suicide. And then a medical examiner I'll be taking
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We've got several deceased individuals inside of a house. It
appears that there's there's four residents in this house that
we know of this morning. One of the residents, a
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male that had that had stayed outside the house last night.
Is the information we have. He came home this morning
to find the other three residents deceased. It appears that
they're then all three year deceased due to gunshot wounds
to the other parts of their body. That three decedents
are female, Two of them are pretty young, believed to
be in their teens. And then the third is a
(21:52):
woman believed to be in our thirties. Beyond that, we
couldn't speculate as to cause of death at this point.
It's just too early to tell is considered a murder,
murder suicide. We well, we do believe at this point
that at least at least two of them appear to
be murders. Of course, the the medical examiner will make
that final determination. It's just too early to tell on
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the third person. If that is a murder or suicide,
we'll let the medical examiner take a look at it.
What I can tell you is that the BCSO CSI
unit is here, we have our mobile crime lab out
on scene, and we're being meticulous about how this scene
is process for certain certainly homicide is also speaking to
the male occupant of the residence, and we're hoping that
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that as this investigation unfolds, it'll be able to shed
more light on not only what was going on before
last night, but also what may have happened this morning.
You are hearing from the sheriff Sheriff Javier Salazar speaking
about the discovery of three dead bodies and an Anaqua
Springs Ranch mansion. At first, it's believed that it was
(22:56):
a suicide murder. But would a mother kill her two
teen girl one day before the one of them was
set to audition for America's Got Talent. It's just not
all fitting together to so many people join me right now?
Is JT. Timpton, private investigator of Syncopace of Security. They're
in Texas. What about the cell phone records? JT? Well, Nancy,
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I would think, first of all, cell phone records. Both
all three of the major carriers have emergency departments that
are specifically set up to receive subpoenas awards from law enforcement,
and they're responded to, generally within twenty four hours or sooner,
depending on if there's life at danger. So it's hard
for me to believe that law enforcement or Bear County
doesn't already have those cell phone records in hand which
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will do what I hold on just a just a moment, JT. JT. Tipton,
Private investigator JT. You can get the cell phone records,
like which calls were made, which incoming calls were made,
But as far as pings go, for instance, placing the
boyfriend to live in the owner of this mansion, placing
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his whereabouts. That's another can of worms. How quickly can
you get ping data? Data is retained for several years.
They can get that instantly as well. I do it
in my civil cases when I'm doing stalking and harassment typecases.
It takes a little bit longer, not being law enforcement,
but I do know that law enforcement can have access
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to that almost instantly if they want it. Well, I
think you're absolutely right about that, JT. Tipton. So we're
you believe the police have the cell phone data right now,
and JT. Wouldn't that include texts as well? Well? They'll
have an occurrence that a text transmitted. What they should
have done, what I would have done if I were
law enforcement looking at this, I would have issued a
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preservation order on all cell phones that were thought to
be in conjunction or associated with this case, to include
doing a cell powered jump from the main towers around
the knockwork springs to look for similarities or anomalies. You know.
And now you're talking technical talk because you dummy down
for him employees quickly. Yeah, Basically, what we want to
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do is we want to look at who was on
the cell phone towers and it could be thousands. However,
if we were to go in to, say mister Wheeler's
cell phone or it's on a cool cell phone, and
we now notice similarities between phone numbers that were called,
we could start to make some assumptions and maybe generate
a lead from that. So additionally, every cell phone is
(25:30):
reaching out to a cell phone tower or vice versa
every three seconds. So when we look at using technology
to try to locate somebody, the first thing we should
remember is it's only going to show us where the
cell phone is, not necessarily the person who owns the
cell phone. So there's a little bit more work involved
than just ping the phone to verify whether or not
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mister Wheeler was at the residence or not. And do
doctor Williams July psychologist, doctor July, I say, the content
of those texts would be very very important. Doctors you lie?
Why absolutely? The content of texts. I mean, that's one
thing that's amazing about technology now is a text you
can look at a person's text history and essentially read
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that person and their activities and behaviors like a book.
You can even glean little inflections of behavior from text message.
Of course, it won't give you the full three D perspective,
but it can certainly give you enough information for an investigator.
I would say to raise some questions about angles and
look at you know what doctores July. Can you please
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be specific when you say you can glean slivers of
something you said from text? What do you mean by that?
Give me an example of what you're talking about so
I can understand. Well, that's a good, good point, Nancy.
You can look at, for example, the types of emojis
of persons using. People often break what their People often
(26:58):
have a complete conversation by using emojis, So you look
at the types of emojis they're using. You look for words,
look for keywords of emotions that the person is. You know,
you know where they are, what they're saying, they're doing,
I miss you are are you back yet? Little things
(27:19):
like that you didn't tell I've seen text messages where
people have entire conversations like that. And by looking at
those things and connecting it with the it's harder for
me as a psychologist because I only have that, I
only have one piece. But when you connect that with
a bigger picture of what an investigator is looking at,
and then they have a psychologist look at this type
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of information. It can be very interesting. You know, to
Atlanta prosecutor Kenyan Johnson, I hear what he's saying, and
that's pretty deep that you're trying to interpret emoji and
so forth. I'd be looking for, did they have an
argument via text that I could look at right before
the triple shooting. That's what I'd be looking at. This
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is all a new interesting body of science and the
sense of interpretation of the language of text communications. And
so this is something that when the case goes to trial,
or if you're looking at evidence a trial, having these
experts to talk about what this means and why a
person would use this phrasing and these abbreviations in this way,
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it's going to glean a lot into her emotions, right,
and so very interesting. And he already admitted the boyfriend
said that they had an argument the night before, and
so the extent of that argument, what were their arguments
like before? I think that's very significant. Kenya Kenyan Johnson
with me along with doctor William July, JT. Tipton, and
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The fact that Nicole Olsen's death for right now has
been ruled a suicide, we can't just say, oh, well,
then she must have been the one that did this
to these two little girls. We still have to go
out and find out who it was that killed these
two young ladies. The evidence may lead us right back
to somebody within the house, but it may not, and
it would be irresponsible of us to come to that
conclusion at this point when there's so much investigation being
(30:37):
left to do. Let me just say I was briefed
by my investigators in this case on Saturday. We've been
on the phone quite a bit since then, and then
today again they briefed me. I don't know that I've
ever been more proud of a group of investigators as
I am in this case. They're leaving literally no stone unturned.
They're working through their days off, they're basically working around
the clock on this case and making sure that they're
(30:59):
covering basis. They took evidence from that residence that you know,
maybe wasn't typical of cases in years past or in
times past, but I think it's the way we're doing
things moving forward here. I mentioned it at at the
press conference that day that I gave my sound bites
and made mention of the fact that they were wearing
biological suits. And again I'll reiterate the fact that in
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this case, we knew from the onset that this case
was going to rely heavily on trace evidence, and so
we have to be as investigators. We have to be
careful not to contaminate a crime scene because again you
realize that a hair fiber could make the total the
difference in a case, a fingerprint could make the difference
in a case. And so we're taking this case completely
by the numbers. And again, my investigators are being completely
(31:43):
thorough up to and including not ruling out the fact
that there may be somebody here that wasn't even on
our radar before, but something that we find may lead
us to them. Well, that's not a very comforting thought
that there is a triple killer on the loose. That's
the Bear County Sheriff Javier Salazar. As we go to air,
are learning the FBI has joined the investigation into the
(32:04):
triple homicide, the triple deaths of a mother and her
two little girls and a luxury San Antonio ranch house,
and that's according to the Bear County Sheriff's Office. With me,
Robin Willinski, Kenya Johnson, doctor William July, and JT. Tipton,
private eye, founder of Sinco Paco Security and Investigations, right
there and the same neck of woods. JT. Tipton, what
(32:26):
can you tell me about the FBI coming in? You know,
I'm very confused about that. In my experience and based
on some conversations that I've had with some colleagues that
are retired federal law enforcement and a few that they're
actually still active, the FBI doesn't really get involved in
a case like this unless it's one involving children that
(32:46):
have been adducted and taken across state lines, or if
there might be a foreign national involved that may be
trying to evade apprehension. I don't know the answer to that,
you know to Robo Willinski Crime online dot com investigative
reporter where this and every other breaking crime news story
you can find it right there at Crime Online. Robert Willinski,
the FBI has now joined into this investigation. What do
(33:10):
you make of it? I make of it that they're
going to go through security cameras. This is a very
well to do area, as these are people that can
afford to have cameras inside and outside their homes. And
I think they're going to meticulously go through that neighborhood, Nancy,
and get video, whether it's ten twelve hours, and meticulously
(33:31):
go through who went through that gate in that house,
who was walking around. The FBI is going to go
to the door and ask people what did you see
that night, what did you see that morning? And that's
why the FBI is joining this case. Well, the FBI
has access to resources the sheriff's office does not, simply
because it's federally funded. For instance, the sheriff said, in
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the event we need advice of some sort of a profiler,
well we don't have a profiler here, but the FBI does,
so it just opens up a lot more possibilities. Now.
The spokesperson, Special Agent Michelle Lee for the FBI San
Antonio office confirmed they are assisting even though there has
(34:14):
been a government shutdown, They're assisting no matter what, whether
the government shuts down again, they're still assisting. But what
are they doing a significant number of personnel at the
FBI's national headquarters who normally assist with these type of
investigations have been furloaded. They're back on the job right now.
(34:36):
Let's strike while the iron is hot now. The boyfriend,
Charlie wheel Or thirty one, tell me what do we know? JT. Tipton?
What does he do for a living? And how does
he happen to own a huge ranch mansion in Annaquis Springs?
How's that? What does he do? No, Charlie comes from
a very well to do family, very respectable family involved
(34:58):
in oil fields here in Texas. They also own locally
a very large feed store that does quite well. I
think he's Charlie's, you know, kind of been born with
the silver spoon in his mouth and has been pretty
much handed everything that he has. Interesting does he have
a job? From what I understand, he does own and
operate an old field services company, So he's working, and
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I'm very curious. They've been dating for about one year?
Is that right? Robin Wilenski, Yeah, just a little over
a year. That is too. JT. Tipton, private investigator at
Cinco Paco Security. JT. What more can you tell me
about the boyfriend? Charlie wheel are thirty one years old, family,
they're in the community, they're very well respected within the community.
(35:44):
They're very well politically connected. What do you mean by
that just with the local community, with the local leadership
ranging from you know, the local sheriff's office too, They're
just they're large contributors. I actually think it would be interesting,
and I haven't had time to do this. There's been
some public comments on some Facebook posts from very well
(36:09):
known individuals locally here in the San Antonio Bear County area,
some political figures that are piping in, like Carlosures or
Carlos Euresti, who some of you may know was. I
believe he was just indicted on some criminal charges and
he's commenting on these posts. It couldn't have nothing to
do with it. And I'd like to see what kind
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of campaign contributions were made to mister Euresti's campaign account
from the Wheelers. I know this. I know that Nicole
Olson argue with her boyfriend the night before she and
her two daughters were found shot dead and his luxury
home in a gated neighborhood. I find it very difficult
(36:52):
to believe, Kenyan Johnson, you're the felony prosecutor, that nobody
and this posh gated community had security cameras. Oh, this
is an ongoing investigation. I think as time goes on
and people begin to review their footage, as they hear
about this time, something is going to come out. This
(37:13):
is the type of neighborhood that is well secured, and
as time goes on, we'll find more and more information.
In Kenya, Kenya plays. You know rich people, they have
all sorts of alarms, they have cameras, the works. So
if there was an intruder, you know he and you
(37:33):
know it's a man. If there was an intruder, statistically,
it's got to be caught on camera. What's happening or
someone open walking their dog or taking out the trash.
Someone saw something and sometimes it takes a couple of
days to put their memory together and well who did
was that night? But things are still gonna come out,
(37:55):
and we will find someone some of this neighborhood that
had to have seen something out of the ordinary. And
if they don't see something out of the ordinary, then
it leads towards it may have been the boyfriend because
nothing was out of the ordinary. Well, hold on, we
know that right now the boyfriend has not been named
a suspect. He has been named a person of interest
(38:17):
to my understanding and the lawyers he already has lawyers.
One of his lawyers has expressed frustration with comments made
by the sheriff and has reiterated there's no problem cause
to indicate Wheeler committed any crime at all. So what
(38:38):
happens next? Take a listen to the sheriff Sheriff Salazar speaking.
I said it out there at the crime scene that
crime knows no boundaries geographic or socioeconomic otherwise, and neither
does our manner investigating a case. Just the only difference
(38:59):
between this case and others is many times other cases
are a lot more clear cut from the onset this one.
There's just way too many unanswered questions. But I can
tell you that what I've seen of my investigative staff
and the efforts that they're putting forward and how painstaking
their being, at some point we're going to have a
clearer picture. We're just not there yet. We wait as
justice unfolds. Tipline two one zero, three, three, five, six
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zero seven zero Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing off, Goodbye friend,
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