February 12, 2025 • 42 mins
Wendy Williams, the former talk show host known for her catch phrase, “How you doin’?”, has been under a court-ordered guardianship since 2022 after being diagnosed with frontotemporal dementia and aphasia. However, the star is disputing both her diagnoses and need for a guardian. Williams calls her life a prison and accuses her guardian of emotional abuse.
After a successful trial run of The Wendy Williams Show, the talk show is broadcast internationally and garners 2.4 million daily viewers. Williams trades off with Ellen DeGeneres as the number one female daytime television host for years. The daily show runs for 12 years straight while Williams starts her own reality TV production company with her manager, and husband Kevin Hunter.
Williams’ heath issues become apparent in the later years of The Wendy Williams Show. Williams has always been open about her cocaine addiction in the 80’s and 90’s which she overcame with no treatment. The host also diagnosed with Graves’ disease, which causes hyperthyroidism. In 2017, Williams passes out during a taping of the show, and in the following years fills months of several seasons with guest hosts due to struggles with her health issues.
In 2019, after 20 years of marriage, Wendy Williams files for divorce from her manager and husband, Kevin Hunter, after discovering he fathered a child with another woman. Williams does not take the betrayal well and begins drinking heavily. Just before the divorce, Williams reveals she’s been in rehab for some time. During the treatment, Williams is diagnosed with alcohol-induced brain damage. By 2021, doctors say Williams, 57, has alcohol-induced dementia.
January 2022, Williams’ bank freezes her accounts after documenting a “pattern of unusual and disturbing” financial events. Wells Fargo requests a New York Supreme Court hearing to determine if Williams is in need of a guardian. A judge determines Williams’ is incapable of making informed decisions and appoints a temporary financial guardian, Sabrina Morrissey. Williams attempts to return to work in late November with plans to release a podcast, but the show never airs and by March 2023, Williams virtually disappears from the public.
Williams is now asking for the guardianship to end.
Joining Nancy Grace today
- Elizabeth J. McInturff - Attorney specializing in Guardianship Issues / Partner at Selzer Gurvitch, www.selzergurvitch.com; LinkedIn @elizabethmcinturff; Facebook @elizabeth.mcinturff.12
- Dr. John Delatorre - Licensed psychologist and mediator, specializing in forensic psychology, psychological consultant to Project Absentis: a non profit organization that searches for missing persons, resolutionfcs.com, Twitter, IG, and TikTok: @drjohndelatorre
- Tom Ruskin - Private Investigator, President of the CMP Protective and Investigative Group, Inc., Former New York City Police Detective Investigator, cmp-group.com, @tomruskin
- Dr. Dennis C. Doherty - Addiction Specialist; Founder and Medical Director of Right Relief Health; specializing in Anesthesiology, Pain Management, Hospice and Palliative Medicine; website: rightreliefhealth.com; Facebook @RightReliefHealth;
- James Vituscka - Senior US Showbiz Reporter at DailyMail.com; Twitter and Instagram @james_vituscka
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Fears for superstar Wendy Williams as she claims she has
only two dollars to her name in a bizarre video.
Is she living like a prisoner under a highly restrictive guardianship?
I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
(00:26):
being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Talk show host and media personality Wendy Williams, wrapped up
in a controversial conservatorship denying her dementia diagnosis amidst a
legal battle, legal.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Battle that put its in very mild late, claims that
she is living like a prisoner in a highly restrictive
guardianship with.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Only two dollars to her name.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
As a matter of fact, let's hear from the horse's mouth,
no kind of money I have.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Unfortunately, I only have two dollars.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Two dollars to her name. That is from Fat Joe's insta. Now,
what is happening with Wendy? Listen?
Speaker 4 (01:05):
I am not cognitively impaired, you know what I'm saying. No,
but I feel like I am in prison. I'm in
this place where the people are in their nineties and
their eighties.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
Wendy Williams, the former talk show host known for her
catchphrase how You're Doing, has been under a court ordered
guardianship since twenty twenty two after being diagnosed with frontal
temporal dementia and aphasia. However, the Star is disputing both
her diagnosis and a need for a guardian. Williams calls
her life a prison and accuses her guardian of emotional abuse.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
What is happening with Wendy Williams?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Is she suffering from a mental illness dementia? Or is
she caught like a prisoner trapped in a highly restrictive
conservatorship where people are just trying to make money off
Wendy Williams joining me in All Star panel to make
sense of what we know. Tonight, you were just hearing
(02:06):
from our friends at the Breakfast Club on Power one
oh five point one when Wendy called in straight out
to special guest joining us.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
It's James Batuska.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
He is joining us as a senior US show Buzz
reporter at dailymail dot com. James, you have been in
touch with not only Wendy herself, but her son. First
of all, explain to me what is being alleged about
her mental state. I know Wendy, she has invited me
(02:37):
onto her show many many times.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
And I find this very hard to believe.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
You know, what Nancy is being alleged is that you know,
she's incapable of, you know, caring for herself. And she's
you know, she's she's not you know, medically able to
to to just kind of live her life as you know,
on her own, you know, under her own terms. And
you know, actually I spoke to us, I spoke to
Wendy in October, and this is prior to you know,
all of a lot of the reporters that have spoke
(03:02):
to her, and I was instantly surprised at how normal
she sounded. You know, during our conversation it was about
twenty thirty minutes long, and she was very coherent. She
remembered things that you know from from her past and
specific details.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
We talked about Diddy.
Speaker 6 (03:14):
She remembered exact locations and and it didn't seem any
different than the Wendy that you know that that that
were used to seeing on on on TV. You know,
she sounded a little bit yeah, sad, you know, but
she you know, she was she has all the right
to be, and you know, and during the time, and
you know, during her during our conversation, you know, she
even gave it, you know, how you doing, you know,
So it was it was really shocking to see, you know,
(03:35):
all of the the what kind of came about after
that November, you know, with all these people speaking out
about her dementia and everything like that, because I just
didn't get that impression. I'm not a doctor, you know.
But but from our conversation for about twenty thirty minutes,
I was like, she sounds so normal, you know. And
I told my editor this and I was like, are
we sure this is the And she's like, are you
sure this is Wendy and like, no, it's Wendy and
her voice stick out anywhere.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
So yeah, it was, uh, okay, that's really odd, James,
because I had the very same experience the last time
Wendy kindly invited me onto her program. As a matter
of fact, predating that Wendy invited me own on her
program to announce this crime stories, I went on and
(04:15):
announced it that it was happening and that we were
launching launching it with Wendy, right so, and then the
last time I was with her, I had the very
same experience that you're talking about completely lucid.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
I don't know. I'm just having a hard time. But
we're lay people. What do we know.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
You're a Hollywood reporter, I'm a trial lawyer.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
We're not doctors. But we can see right watch this
costume contest. We do whatever year. So it was a
lot of fun.
Speaker 7 (04:50):
Let's get started our first caress.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
William's health issues become apparent in the later years of
The Wendy Williams Show. Williams has always been open about
her cocaine addiction in the eighties and nineties, which she
overcame with no treatment. The host also diagnosed with Graves disease,
which causes hyperthyroidism. In twenty seventeen, Williams passes out during
a taping of the show, and in the following years
(05:25):
fills months of several seasons with a guest host due
to struggles with her health issues.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
You were earlier seeing a clip from the official Wendy
Williams Show, joining me as I said an all star panel.
In addition to James Vittuska from Daily Mail, I want
to go now to doctor John Delatory, renowned psychologist mediator
specializing in forensic psychology. Doctor Delatory if she is not
(05:54):
mentally impaired, and that's probably the wrong phraseology for it.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Then somebody's in a whole heap of trouble.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Okay, this is bringing back all of the memories of
the Free Britney movement. And whether you like watching her
twirl around naked on Insta or not, her life choices.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
That many people may not approve of. I don't care
one way.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Or the other about her life choices does not mean
that she is mentally incapacitated and needs a conservator just because.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
You don't like what she does. That means nothing.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Okay, only a shrink not the church lady is set
to make that decision. Same thing here, But I've got
an issue, doctor John Delatory. All we know about is
graves disease combined with past drug use and saying cocaine, well,
that is kind of euphemistic.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
It was crack crack.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Wendy was a crack addict and look how she overcame
it and what she became, I mean, a superstar in
the talk industry. So how can Graves, which I don't
believe affects your male ability, and a long ago addiction
equal this draconian conservatorship.
Speaker 8 (07:17):
The first thing that any kind of mental health professional
is going to be doing when they're asked to conduct
a guardianship evaluation is a medical examination where we're looking
at whether or not someone is gravely disabled meaning that
they can't care for themselves at all due to some
mental disease or defect, or they're persistently or acutely disabled,
(07:37):
meaning that their mental disease or defect kind of impairs
them when it's floorally an issue but not necessarily their
entire life, that with enough treatment they can care for themselves.
The problem that we.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Run in SAE, I don't know what you just said.
That was a lot of no offense psychobabble. Please speak
regular English. How can graves disease which does not affect
your male capacity? To my understanding and a long ago
crack habit landy you in a conservatorship because we hear
(08:12):
her speaking. You just heard James Rattuska state he has
been speaking with her recently and she's extremely lucid.
Speaker 8 (08:19):
Right, But we're not speaking with her every single day.
It's certainly possible that there are times in which she
is better off than in other times. It's often called
sundowning where individuals who are experiencing high levels of dementia
are perfectly capable of interacting well enough right to overcome
the deficits in Graves. Disease, along with hyperthyroidism, can in
(08:41):
fact impair cognitive abilities, which can impair personality functioning. There
are these different kinds of neurological way.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Wait wait, affect personality functioning. That okay again, I'm not
a shurnk. You are personality functioning.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Does that mean she can't get up and take a
bath and put her clothes on. Maybe if she's hungry,
walk in the kitchen and open a can.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
What is personality functioning? What does that mean?
Speaker 8 (09:13):
It can sometimes turn an individual more aggressive than they
have been from before. Maybe they're more high risk, meaning
that they engage in more problematic behaviors than they had
from before.
Speaker 9 (09:23):
Right.
Speaker 8 (09:23):
The frontal lobe is the part that controls kind of
the higher order functioning. It's what separates us, Doctor Jeraldtorry.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Nothing you are saying makes me think she can't take
care of herself. If she's more aggressive. People on her
show would probably like that even more. Speaking of the issue,
I want you to see just a clip from Lifetimes,
where is Wendy Williams.
Speaker 7 (09:50):
That.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Nobody can do it like Wendy. No one. People love Wendy.
Speaker 10 (09:57):
You are stars.
Speaker 11 (09:58):
She was in her living room every single day for
twelve years, yes.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
And that's when people responded to her authenticity.
Speaker 8 (10:07):
And then at the peak of her career, she was
gone again.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
That's from my friends at Lifetime and their special Where
is Wendy Williams. I'm asking the same question while many
are turning their backs on Wendy and pretending this isn't happening,
It's happening. And if this can happen to Wendy, you
don't think it can happen to you. I was at
a big, gosh, a giant symposium and was approached by
(10:38):
about twenty people, middle aged. It looked like moms and dads,
and they were all dressed up in business clothing to
meet me, to ask me something, to ask for help.
All of their parents had been put in draconian, harsh
(10:59):
conships against the will of the parents and the children,
and they wanted help to get the parents out. And
guess what, it worked. We are not turning our back
on Wendy, but I need to know what's really happening.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Listen.
Speaker 8 (11:17):
I said, you're cognitively impaired and you're incapacitating.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Do I see that way?
Speaker 8 (11:24):
You've been calling me.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Five times a day for the last two weeks.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
No, you don't see that.
Speaker 11 (11:29):
January twenty twenty two, Williams Bank freezes her accounts after
documenting a pattern of unusual and disturbing financial events. Wells
Fargo requests a New York Supreme Court hearing to determine
if Williams is in need of a guardian. A judge
determines Williams is incapable of making informed decisions and appoints
(11:52):
a temporary financial guardian, Sabrina Morrissey. Williams attempts to return
to work in late November with plans to rely podcast,
but the show never airs, and by March twenty twenty three,
Williams virtually disappears from the public.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
That earlier klet was from our friends at breakfast Club
Power one oh five point one. Now joining me an
expert in this field, Elizabeth mcinturf. She is a veteran
lawyer specializing in guardianship issues, and she is a partner
at Gerzer Salvach. Elizabeth, thank you for joining us while
(12:28):
we can make our own layperson civilian observations. I've talked
to Wendy. James Vittuska has talked to Wendy much more
recently than myself, and she's totally lucid. So how is
it that a bank? I mean, I'm sure banks don't
like a lot of decisions of their clients make over spending,
(12:53):
going into their.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Credit line, going bankrupt, blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
It goes on and on and on, gambling, fiscal responsibility.
So I'm sure the bank doesn't like that. But how
does a bank walk in and say I want to
have a hearing and get her committed?
Speaker 1 (13:10):
How does that happen? Elizabeth?
Speaker 12 (13:12):
So that's not quite what the bank did. The bank
noticed that there is a safety concern regarding Miss Williams
and her accounts. I think in particular, there was some
unusual spending, and oftentimes banks are kind of first line
of defense when somebody is being exploited financially. You think
of the scammers that we get online, the emails that
were answering, phone calls are picking up. Is they're the
(13:34):
ones who are seeing mom and dad come in and
withdrawing their entirely live eatings so that's what they have
at least alleged stay saw here. They then petition the
court to review whether or not Miss Williams needed a
temporary guardianship. They did not ask for her to be committed,
as my understanding, but for the court to kind of
(13:55):
undertake the process to see if that there was a
safety protocol needed for Missilians, including a temporary or permanent guardian,
and the court ultimately found that she did.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Okay, let me understand something, Elizabeth Wells.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Fargo swoops in when they say that they see, and
I have no reason to doubt what they're saying, unusual spending.
What constitutes unusual spending to the point that they freeze
your accounts and ask for a judge to grant put
(14:32):
you in a conservatorship, which they said is temporary.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
But it's been a long time.
Speaker 12 (14:37):
So it often depends on their circumstances. And in this case,
they certainly knew Miss Williams very well. They historically knew
her spending and how and who had access to her account.
My understanding is in this situation that was kind of
a far cry from how things were typically done and
are more kind of relatable your in my everyday life situation,
(14:57):
and it might be again because ma, our dad, our
neighbors going in and with the money orders to send abroad.
Those are the type of things that raise red flags
on a financial institution that may cause them under guidelines,
to freeze an account or to ask the court to
step in and intervene.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Why is Wendy Williams being kept a prisoner her words,
not mine in an extremely draconian or harsh conservatorship now
claiming she quote lives like a prisoner and has only
two dollars to her name left of her immense fortune
(15:37):
that she earned and squirrelled away. Can one pivotal incident
trigger a breakdown that lands you in a conservatorship? That
has been alleged about superstar Britney Spears.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Listen.
Speaker 13 (15:55):
She was rushed to the hospital. Police say she was
under the influence. The drama occurred after a three hour
standoff over custody of spears children. Brittany's supposed to turn
boys over to ex husband Kevin Fetterline, but Fetterline eventually
calls police. Brittany seen outside the gates of her home
two and a half hours after police first showed up.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
That incident with swat teams and helicopters hovering overhead. Brittany
and her bathtub, clutching her two little boys, not wanting
to give them up? Did that trigger a series of
events that lands her in.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
A multi year conservatorship?
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Now what could have triggered problems for Wendy Williams?
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Can I say the husband? Listen?
Speaker 14 (16:44):
Twenty nineteen, after twenty years of marriage, Wendy Williams files
for divorce from her manager and husband, Kevin Hunter, after
discovering he fathered a child with another woman. Williams does
not take the betrayal well and begins drinking heavily. Just
before the divorce, Williams reveals she's been in rehab for
some time. During the treatment, Williams is diagnosed with alcohol
induced brain damage. By twenty twenty one, doctor say Williams,
(17:07):
fifty seven has alcohol induced dementia.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
What are they just throwing everything in the pot and
seeing what boils over? We're hearing Graves, We are hearing
prior addiction to crack many many years ago, and now
this can it all be true? Where is this coming from?
Can one pivotal incident trigger a multi year conservatorship where
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you have no control over your finances or your own life.
To James Vetuska joining us dailymail dot com, the husband.
Can we start with that Kevin Hunter who seemed to
attach himself to the Wendy Williams show as what some
sort of a producer. Then he had basically is living
(18:00):
to full time but part time with his mistress a
few miles away from Wendy's home. Does he actually have
his name on the mailbox? You can drive by and
see it from.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
When I hear you know, he actually did it at
the time, you know, when when when those allegations were made.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
I don't know if he still does.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
I haven't driven by there myself, but you know, a
lot of it, a lot of it can be placed
on you know, he kind of led her dry and
in a way, you know, he was he was working
on the show with her, he was in you know,
executive producer role, but he had his fingers kind of
in all of her money, you know. So it's kind
of interesting when you know, she knew that he was
having an affair. Everybody knew that he was having an affair.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Wait and then and then.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Will whoa whoa wait wait wait wait, you know it's
one thing for your husband to cheat, it's another thing
to just put it all out there, because you know what,
A lot of times is easier for people to live
with rose colored glasses.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Right.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yeah, maybe she didn't want to fully confront her husband
was slung up with somebody else.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Maybe she didn't want to admit that. But when he
puts the name on the mail.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Lbox and has a baby with the mistress, and then
I believe somebody out of it and it made all
the headlines.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
She had to confront it. Do you remember that spectacle?
Speaker 6 (19:14):
I do? Yeah, No, absolutely, I absolutely do. And I
feel like there's a difference between you know, confronting an
affair and and you know, and and and suffering from
a severe mental illness. You know, I don't necessarily believe
that you know that that is anyone who would be
in that.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
James, are you a shrink? Do you have your psyche
actual degree?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Did you go to medal school medical school and it
specialized in psychiatry?
Speaker 7 (19:36):
No?
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Did you did?
Speaker 6 (19:37):
Not?
Speaker 1 (19:38):
No?
Speaker 2 (19:38):
You didn't, neither did I? So let's go to a shrink.
Doctor John Delatory. Can a single pivotal moment like the
swat team breaking down your door helicopters hovering overhead, when
you don't want to give your children back, when you
want to keep your babies, or when you are.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Forced to confront on a public forum.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
That you're husband has been cheating for years and actually
has given birth and slung up at the mistress's house,
choosing her over you, all right, when he was her
love object for many, many years, her rock, her husband.
I mean, that's huge, and it's seemed to trigger a
series of events that have now landed her and this conservatorship.
Speaker 8 (20:22):
Yeah, I think so. Can it be the impetus? It
absolutely can. And can it, you know, compel someone to
start drinking alcohol excessively?
Speaker 13 (20:30):
Yes.
Speaker 8 (20:30):
Then the other problem that we have is her long
term history of crack cocaine abuse, which already Swiss cheeses
the brain. Now all of this other stuff at her
being in a conservatorship for years upon end. That's the
problem with the program itself. That's the problem with conservatorship
and guardianship. Is there no mechanism to eject if what
you're really dealing with is trauma and grief and other
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kinds of addiction issues that once the person gets the
appropriate treatment, that can actually get out of That's what
Wendy Williams is challenging is the ejection part, the escape.
How can she escape? All this other stuff is certainly
possible to get you there, but escaping is Wendy Williams's
biggest issue.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace to doctor Dennis C. Dougherty
joining us, addiction specialist.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Founder and medical director of Right Relief Health, Doctor Dougherty,
thank you for being with us. How is a prior addiction?
And she admitted she had gone to a sober house
more recently. The crack cocaine addiction was long ago, but
more recently she admitted she was in a sober house
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after this turn of events with her husband such as
he was in a sober house and had started drinking again.
That was the admission. How can alcohol or a prior
drug addiction and crack cocaine it's very powerful, but it
was years ago. How does that affect your permanent mental
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health or does it?
Speaker 15 (22:16):
You know? Right now we're looking at a different paradigm
in how we address substance use disorders, and the treatments
today haven't really addressed the real issues. For instance, you
know that there'll be a contextual trauma or a precipitating
(22:39):
event that might make somebody who's at risk during recovery
to drink. And not many years ago, you know you
were sent to your AA prison back to the beginning,
or in the nineteen fifties hung in a host at
(23:00):
Bluer to be better. But the fact is that the
very technique they were used, they don't do anything that's
helpful to allow the brain to change. So shaming, guilting,
and particularly isolating someone is insane scientifically.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Guys, is she truly in the throes of dementia? Or
did this whole thing get started because the bank feared
those people closest to her were bleeding her dry of
all her money? Is that a reason to keep her
(23:45):
in prison? Her words, not mine. Take a listen to
our friends at Lifetime.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
As her family.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
We were all sitting on the sidelines watching and she
was crying out for help.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Did you drink this whole thing today? Keep it there? Okay,
keep it there.
Speaker 16 (24:02):
She has people around who are yes people and allowing
this to continue.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
This is all too much, though, why I have no
idea where we are. This doesn't look like anything familiar.
I think she's losing memory. Have you guys noticed that?
How dare him? I control me? From Lifetimes? Where is
Wendy Williams?
Speaker 3 (24:23):
After her show's cancelation and a shocking dementia diagnosis. In
twenty twenty four, talk show host Wendy Williams fights for
freedom from a conservatorship.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
It's very hard for many of us to believe that
Wendy Williams is so incapacitated that she can't make any
of her own decisions and has no access to her
own business affairs. Or is Elizabeth McInturff correct that Wills
Fargo believes those closest to Wendy are bleeding her dry
(24:55):
and she is helpless to stop them for whatever reason.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
And look at this from Lifetime, Well, lom has.
Speaker 8 (25:03):
Done a great job making it seem like everything.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Is okay always Wendy makes you look here, Laurens, But
in reality there's something wrong going. Did you see a
neurologist to find out if I'm crazy?
Speaker 7 (25:17):
Oh my god, No, I can't do this, I can't
do this.
Speaker 8 (25:20):
I have to sit down again.
Speaker 16 (25:22):
She put in front of Joe and given a guardian
that when they took her.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Away from works.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
That from our friends at Lifetime it's their new dot
Where is Wendy Williams In the last days, Those around
Wendy and Wendy herself speaking out about the way she
is living Listen.
Speaker 14 (25:41):
At the care facility her guardian has placed her in.
Williams does not have any of her personal belonging to
her electronics. Williams has a phone, but can only make calls.
She cannot receive them. Williams cannot leave her room without
a staff member unlocking the door, much less make a
trip to the store, not that she has any of
her own money to spend anyway. Williams is not allowed
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to travel to her family and visits must be pre approved.
Family members are fearful Williams could be moved to a
new facility without their knowledge.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
This is amazing. How is that? If it's to be.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Believed happening to Wendy Williams. You know, I remember vividly
the Free Brittany movement. No one seems to be speaking
out for Wendy Williams to James Battuska joining us seeing
your showbiz reporter at dailymail dot com.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Are those living conditions that we just heard? Is that true?
Speaker 9 (26:38):
Well?
Speaker 6 (26:38):
You know, actually I had a conversation with the family
who I'm in constant contact with Wendy's you know, direct family,
her you know, her son, and also other family members.
And actually, you know what I found is, you know,
what they said recently is interesting And it's not that
they don't believe that you know, Wendy, you know that
she needs no care, like they're open to you know,
her her possibly you know, you know, seeking no care,
but they wanted it to be in Florida. They want
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her to be around the family. They don't want her
to be isolated in New York. And you know, they're
open to having her, you know, take evaluations and even
you know, undergo if she needs you know, some some
basically you know help on the side. You know, they
want to be the ones to do it. And I
think that's you know, I think that's a fair request.
You know that that she's being given.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Okay, I don't know what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
You're telling me the family wants to oversee her rehab.
Speaker 6 (27:22):
The family wants her to move. The family wants her
to be in Florida. That's basically the whole The whole
thing right now is that you know, if she needs
if she needs, you know, care, she needs some help
on the side or whatever. You know that they're willing to,
you know, to do it, but you know they can't
do it if you know they're all in Florida and
she's in New York. You know, they want her to
be there so that they can, you know, have have
her close. And she that's what she wants too, That's
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all she wants, James.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Regarding where she is now, you have spoken to her
very recently. She has no personal belongings or electronics. She
has a phone, but can only make calls, not receive.
She cannot leave her room without a staff member unlocking
the door.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Is this true?
Speaker 6 (28:01):
I mean when I spoke to here in October, I
called her and she picked up the phone. I don't
know if it was a cell phone orr housephone, but
she did pick up the phone, you know, and she
you know, showed me she was making breakfast. So I'm
not sure exactly you know, all those specifics, but I
do know that, you know, I'm sure she's restricted on
many things as she says, you know, but as far
as you know, electronics going and she she picked up
in Hello.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Interesting Tom Ruskin joining us now private investigator and president
of CMP Protective and Investigative Group. For my purposes, Former
New York City Police detective investigator Tom thank you for
being with us. Now, who are we supposed to trust
the facility holding her under those draconian, very harsh conditions
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if they are to be believed, or.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Her family and seemingly wells.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Fargo was concerned that the family was bleeding her dry,
that they were actually hurting her. Many people claim the
same thing about Britney Spears's father.
Speaker 13 (29:05):
Listen, Britney spears father Jamie is back in the headlines,
this time suggusting the pop superstar has dementia. Fans have
disputed the explosive claim, seeing it couldn't be possible that
Spears had dementia while releasing four albums as well as
putting on high energy global tours in over two hundred
and fifty Las Vegas shows.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah, I don't get that either. How could she do
all that, Tom Ruskin, but have dementia? No? I mean,
I'm not a shrink, but it just doesn't make sense
to me. And in this case, if Wendy can talk
to James Vetusk, James Vituska on the phone, can give
interviews outlining the conditions of her guardianship. How could she
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do that and have such horrible dementia she can't live
alone that she has to be in a facility. How
do you ferret that out?
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Tom? How do you find the truth? As an investigator?
Speaker 10 (29:58):
You systematically go out. You can conduct surveillances, you do interviews,
and you try and determine what the facts are. We're
a finder of the facts and then we turn it
over either to the court or to an attorney like Elizabeth,
or a law firm that we're working for, or the
family and basically reveal what we find. This is a
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very complicated case because you don't know to believe the bank,
you don't know to believe the family. And from what
you're learning from the reporter, she sounded normal and the
capable of handling her own affairs.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace Guys.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
At a certain point, Britney Spears demanded to be heard
by the court.
Speaker 13 (30:57):
Listen, Britney Spears wants to address the judge and her
can servetorship case during today's hearings. Spears court appointed attorney,
so that the pop star wants to address the judge
in court He did not say what the thirty nine
year old singer wants to say, and the judge did
not say if she would grant the request to Elizabeth
Jay McInturff, joining US high profile lawyer specializing in guardianship issues, Elizabeth,
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why can't Wendy Williams have a hearing like the one
Britney Spears demanded and got?
Speaker 12 (31:29):
That is actually what her attorneys are moving to do
right now, is they are moving to have a termination hearing,
to have the court review current records and what has
gone on in the guardianship, including her own health, and
whether or not she still needs to be under a guardianship.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Elizabeth McInturff, He just went into deafcon for warp speed ten.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Could you rephrase that in regular people talk?
Speaker 13 (31:56):
Sure?
Speaker 12 (31:56):
So, Mis Williams clearly does not want to be under
a guardianship anymore and does not feel that she needs
to be under one medically or otherwise. She has asked
her attorneys to file a petition with the court to
terminate her guardianship, and that's what they're doing. So Miss
Williams and her attorneys are going to go before the
court and put on their evidence and say these are
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the reasons why this guardianship is no longer or not needed,
and you should release me from it, or maybe even
modify it so that there's some least restrictive means that
can be employed here. And by least restrictive means, we
mean so maybe she has access to some accounts or
the phone if she is really being kept from it.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Guys, take a listen to our friend Harvey Levin at TMZ.
Speaker 16 (32:43):
Feels like you're screaming for help. Are you allowed to
go out now?
Speaker 4 (32:48):
In the last thirty days, I went out twice.
Speaker 16 (32:52):
This sounds more like a prison than independence.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
I want my right back, I want my freedom back.
Speaker 16 (33:00):
DMZ presents Saving Wendy now streaming on two B.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
That's from our friend Harvey Levin, Saving Wendy.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Are they keeping her safe or keeping her quiet? TV
host Wendy Williams flights back against Glaim. She's incapacitated in
a conservatorship struggle. As your guardian agrees to a new
medical evaluation.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
What conservator would try to disallow Wendy from seeing her
father on his ninety fourth birthday.
Speaker 16 (33:27):
Listen, Wendy, your dad is turning ninety four in February
and he's up there in age, and I know you
will want to go to Miami to see him and
celebrate his birthday because you don't know how many more
they are going.
Speaker 12 (33:42):
To be right exactly.
Speaker 16 (33:46):
That must be important for you.
Speaker 17 (33:51):
It's extremely important.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
It's extremely important.
Speaker 17 (33:57):
To see my dad for his birthday, you know. And
that is a family thing.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
It's not just a me thing, you know.
Speaker 17 (34:03):
I would wish that along with celebrating my dad's ninety
fourth birthday, that we as a family, we come together
in peace and harmony. That's what I wish.
Speaker 12 (34:18):
Like that.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
That is breaking my heart. She clearly is lucid.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
That again is for our friend Harvey Levin at teams
A saving Wendy on to be okay, Doctor John Delatory,
Should I believe that conservator or my lion eyes because
she was extremely lucid?
Speaker 8 (34:40):
Yeah, no, she seemed extremely lucid. That's why it's important
to have one of these independent evaluators take a look
at all of these other underlying issues. There's a whole
lot of nuance that goes into conducting these guardianship evaluations
that sometimes someone can be appropriate, but other times they're
not a p which means that maybe they don't need
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a full.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Wait right way, wait wait, doctor delatory. I don't like
it when people start talking about women behaving inappropriately. Okay,
I don't think that's the right word. She may be
as inappropriate as she wants to, but the issue is
is she mentally ill? Can she not control her business,
(35:24):
her finances? And according to Tom Ruskin, who's a pro
with this, are people around her facilitating her illness.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
In order to get to her money? That's the question?
Can she find that off? And the irony.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Wendy Williams led the charge to quote, free Brittany.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Listen, I'm part of the army. Now, free Brittany. Leave
Brittany alone.
Speaker 18 (35:53):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I'm there. I'm there, I'm there. How
dare you? I don't like the mother. I don't like
the father. Jamie Lynn, where were you to help your
sister out? I don't like you.
Speaker 8 (36:05):
I don't like any of them, none of them.
Speaker 18 (36:08):
Fire everybody and escape now Brittany.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
She ain't afraid to tell it.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
That's from the official Wendy Williams show. The irony that
she was trying to help free Britney, which she did,
and now no one is freeing Wendy and she goes on, listen.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
How dare you, mister Spears. You had me fooled?
Speaker 7 (36:29):
And you too, missus Spears, death to all of them.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
That from the Official Wendy Williams Show. And she was not.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Afraid to call out family members and more that she
believed we're keeping Britney Spears in a horrible conservatorship. Whether
you like what Britney's doing now or not, that is her.
She is a decision to make. And she called out
other people too.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Listen to me, I will Lucy, stop it. Denial is
a river in Egypt.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Your husband is day Okay, she said that.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
That's from the Wendy Williams experience.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Now listen to her calling it out on the Wendy
Williams Show.
Speaker 18 (37:13):
Ricardo Tucci, you know Kanye's special friend.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
She's a very good friend of Kanye's. I didn't say
a word.
Speaker 18 (37:21):
Because Kanye was probably in the corner talking about yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Yes, Kanze oh girl.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Yeah, that's from the Official Wendy Williams Show.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
She would be having a sill day right now with
Kanye and Beyoncusten. Sorry, don't you know it?
Speaker 18 (37:41):
And more because fortunately one of the TV's in Our
Kitchen has close captioning, so I'll be able to understand
what she says.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
She you know, Beyonce can't talk you all.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
Beyonce sounds like she's got a fifth grade education.
Speaker 12 (37:53):
She can't talk.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Wendy Williams added, again, that's from the official Wendy Williams show.
Those are just examples of her being fearless and saying
whatever she thought and calling people on the rug, calling
them out when she sent something was off. But you
know what, nobody seems to be doing that for Wendy.
Speaker 18 (38:13):
As far as you stand with drug use use going
on at this present time.
Speaker 5 (38:22):
Whitney talking to me, I'm talking to me about that
I was.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
A full blown cocaine out of my mind move on. Well,
seems like Wendy had it right. Uh.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
She was speaking with Whitney Houston and confronting her about
her cocaine alleged cocaine issue and fully admits.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Her own battle with drugs.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Even admitting on many times, including on NPR, that battle
was with crack cocaine, which she defeated. That was Wendy
Williams speaking to Whitney Houston on wb LSFM.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
This woman at the top of the pinnacle listen.
Speaker 11 (39:00):
After a successful trial run of The Wendy Williams Show,
the talk show is broadcast internationally and Garner's two point
four million daily viewers. Williams trades off with Ellen DeGeneres
as the number one female daytime television host for years.
The daily show runs for twelve years straight, while Williams
starts her own reality TV production company with her manager
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and husband Kevin Hunter.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
To Tom Ruskin joining us now and private investigator President
of CMP Protective and Investigative Group, former NYPD detective Tom,
how do we get to the bottom of this going
in front of the same judge that put her in
the concertoship to start with? We're in need more than
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that to free Wendy. If that is in fact what
is appropriate, and I believe that it is. How do
you prove either she is Melli coop competent or that
she was being victimized by people for her money.
Speaker 10 (40:00):
We'd have to conduct a very detailed, complex investigation. But
when you're showing the Harvey Levin tape of him interviewing
her with a camera on the window, she seemed very
coherent there. And let me tell you, as a police officer.
As a former police officer, I saw very high stress
situations like what you described happen to Britney Spear's house,
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helicopters overhead, cops at the ready. The person who's either
acting out that day is high stressed. You have to
bring it down. As a police officer, you bring those
situations down. So for Wendy Williams to be acting out
at certain times is not someone who's disturbed. We call
(40:45):
a NEDP emotionally disturbed person. It's just someone who's acting
out rationally and irrational.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Time to Sydney Sumner joining us from commonline dot com.
How long has Wendy been in a con servitorship, Nancy.
Speaker 9 (41:01):
We're coming up on three years. She was put under
this guardianship in March of twenty twenty two. Morrissey was
confirmed as her guardian in May of twenty twenty two.
So we're coming up on three years where Wendy has
not been allowed to have any agency over her own life.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Seeing you know, just like Tom Ruskin, private investigator said
that video of Harvey speaking to her and she could
only speak to him through a glass window.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
She looked desperate, but lucid free Wendy Williams. We remember
now an American hero police officer, Jeremy Lebunti rosal P D, Georgia,
just twenty four, shot and killed in the line of duty,
survived by grieving wife now widow alyssa American hero police
(42:00):
officer Jeremy La Bunty. Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend.
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Fears for superstar Wendy Williams as she claims she has
only two dollars to her name in a bizarre video.
Is she living like a prisoner under a highly restrictive guardianship?
I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
(00:26):
being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Talk show host and media personality Wendy Williams, wrapped up
in a controversial conservatorship denying her dementia diagnosis amidst a
legal battle, legal.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Battle that put its in very mild late, claims that
she is living like a prisoner in a highly restrictive
guardianship with.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Only two dollars to her name.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
As a matter of fact, let's hear from the horse's mouth,
no kind of money I have.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Unfortunately, I only have two dollars.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Two dollars to her name. That is from Fat Joe's insta. Now,
what is happening with Wendy? Listen?
Speaker 4 (01:05):
I am not cognitively impaired, you know what I'm saying. No,
but I feel like I am in prison. I'm in
this place where the people are in their nineties and
their eighties.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
Wendy Williams, the former talk show host known for her
catchphrase how You're Doing, has been under a court ordered
guardianship since twenty twenty two after being diagnosed with frontal
temporal dementia and aphasia. However, the Star is disputing both
her diagnosis and a need for a guardian. Williams calls
her life a prison and accuses her guardian of emotional abuse.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
What is happening with Wendy Williams?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Is she suffering from a mental illness dementia? Or is
she caught like a prisoner trapped in a highly restrictive
conservatorship where people are just trying to make money off
Wendy Williams joining me in All Star panel to make
sense of what we know. Tonight, you were just hearing
(02:06):
from our friends at the Breakfast Club on Power one
oh five point one when Wendy called in straight out
to special guest joining us.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
It's James Batuska.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
He is joining us as a senior US show Buzz
reporter at dailymail dot com. James, you have been in
touch with not only Wendy herself, but her son. First
of all, explain to me what is being alleged about
her mental state. I know Wendy, she has invited me
(02:37):
onto her show many many times.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
And I find this very hard to believe.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
You know, what Nancy is being alleged is that you know,
she's incapable of, you know, caring for herself. And she's
you know, she's she's not you know, medically able to
to to just kind of live her life as you know,
on her own, you know, under her own terms. And
you know, actually I spoke to us, I spoke to
Wendy in October, and this is prior to you know,
all of a lot of the reporters that have spoke
(03:02):
to her, and I was instantly surprised at how normal
she sounded. You know, during our conversation it was about
twenty thirty minutes long, and she was very coherent. She
remembered things that you know from from her past and
specific details.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
We talked about Diddy.
Speaker 6 (03:14):
She remembered exact locations and and it didn't seem any
different than the Wendy that you know that that that
were used to seeing on on on TV. You know,
she sounded a little bit yeah, sad, you know, but
she you know, she was she has all the right
to be, and you know, and during the time, and
you know, during her during our conversation, you know, she
even gave it, you know, how you doing, you know,
So it was it was really shocking to see, you know,
(03:35):
all of the the what kind of came about after
that November, you know, with all these people speaking out
about her dementia and everything like that, because I just
didn't get that impression. I'm not a doctor, you know.
But but from our conversation for about twenty thirty minutes,
I was like, she sounds so normal, you know. And
I told my editor this and I was like, are
we sure this is the And she's like, are you
sure this is Wendy and like, no, it's Wendy and
her voice stick out anywhere.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
So yeah, it was, uh, okay, that's really odd, James,
because I had the very same experience the last time
Wendy kindly invited me onto her program. As a matter
of fact, predating that Wendy invited me own on her
program to announce this crime stories, I went on and
(04:15):
announced it that it was happening and that we were
launching launching it with Wendy, right so, and then the
last time I was with her, I had the very
same experience that you're talking about completely lucid.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
I don't know. I'm just having a hard time. But
we're lay people. What do we know.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
You're a Hollywood reporter, I'm a trial lawyer.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
We're not doctors. But we can see right watch this
costume contest. We do whatever year. So it was a
lot of fun.
Speaker 7 (04:50):
Let's get started our first caress.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
William's health issues become apparent in the later years of
The Wendy Williams Show. Williams has always been open about
her cocaine addiction in the eighties and nineties, which she
overcame with no treatment. The host also diagnosed with Graves disease,
which causes hyperthyroidism. In twenty seventeen, Williams passes out during
a taping of the show, and in the following years
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fills months of several seasons with a guest host due
to struggles with her health issues.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
You were earlier seeing a clip from the official Wendy
Williams Show, joining me as I said an all star panel.
In addition to James Vittuska from Daily Mail, I want
to go now to doctor John Delatory, renowned psychologist mediator
specializing in forensic psychology. Doctor Delatory if she is not
(05:54):
mentally impaired, and that's probably the wrong phraseology for it.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Then somebody's in a whole heap of trouble.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Okay, this is bringing back all of the memories of
the Free Britney movement. And whether you like watching her
twirl around naked on Insta or not, her life choices.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
That many people may not approve of. I don't care
one way.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Or the other about her life choices does not mean
that she is mentally incapacitated and needs a conservator just because.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
You don't like what she does. That means nothing.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Okay, only a shrink not the church lady is set
to make that decision. Same thing here, But I've got
an issue, doctor John Delatory. All we know about is
graves disease combined with past drug use and saying cocaine, well,
that is kind of euphemistic.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
It was crack crack.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Wendy was a crack addict and look how she overcame
it and what she became, I mean, a superstar in
the talk industry. So how can Graves, which I don't
believe affects your male ability, and a long ago addiction
equal this draconian conservatorship.
Speaker 8 (07:17):
The first thing that any kind of mental health professional
is going to be doing when they're asked to conduct
a guardianship evaluation is a medical examination where we're looking
at whether or not someone is gravely disabled meaning that
they can't care for themselves at all due to some
mental disease or defect, or they're persistently or acutely disabled,
(07:37):
meaning that their mental disease or defect kind of impairs
them when it's floorally an issue but not necessarily their
entire life, that with enough treatment they can care for themselves.
The problem that we.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Run in SAE, I don't know what you just said.
That was a lot of no offense psychobabble. Please speak
regular English. How can graves disease which does not affect
your male capacity? To my understanding and a long ago
crack habit landy you in a conservatorship because we hear
(08:12):
her speaking. You just heard James Rattuska state he has
been speaking with her recently and she's extremely lucid.
Speaker 8 (08:19):
Right, But we're not speaking with her every single day.
It's certainly possible that there are times in which she
is better off than in other times. It's often called
sundowning where individuals who are experiencing high levels of dementia
are perfectly capable of interacting well enough right to overcome
the deficits in Graves. Disease, along with hyperthyroidism, can in
(08:41):
fact impair cognitive abilities, which can impair personality functioning. There
are these different kinds of neurological way.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Wait wait, affect personality functioning. That okay again, I'm not
a shurnk. You are personality functioning.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Does that mean she can't get up and take a
bath and put her clothes on. Maybe if she's hungry,
walk in the kitchen and open a can.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
What is personality functioning? What does that mean?
Speaker 8 (09:13):
It can sometimes turn an individual more aggressive than they
have been from before. Maybe they're more high risk, meaning
that they engage in more problematic behaviors than they had
from before.
Speaker 9 (09:23):
Right.
Speaker 8 (09:23):
The frontal lobe is the part that controls kind of
the higher order functioning. It's what separates us, Doctor Jeraldtorry.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Nothing you are saying makes me think she can't take
care of herself. If she's more aggressive. People on her
show would probably like that even more. Speaking of the issue,
I want you to see just a clip from Lifetimes,
where is Wendy Williams.
Speaker 7 (09:50):
That.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Nobody can do it like Wendy. No one. People love Wendy.
Speaker 10 (09:57):
You are stars.
Speaker 11 (09:58):
She was in her living room every single day for
twelve years, yes.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
And that's when people responded to her authenticity.
Speaker 8 (10:07):
And then at the peak of her career, she was
gone again.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
That's from my friends at Lifetime and their special Where
is Wendy Williams. I'm asking the same question while many
are turning their backs on Wendy and pretending this isn't happening,
It's happening. And if this can happen to Wendy, you
don't think it can happen to you. I was at
a big, gosh, a giant symposium and was approached by
(10:38):
about twenty people, middle aged. It looked like moms and dads,
and they were all dressed up in business clothing to
meet me, to ask me something, to ask for help.
All of their parents had been put in draconian, harsh
(10:59):
conships against the will of the parents and the children,
and they wanted help to get the parents out. And
guess what, it worked. We are not turning our back
on Wendy, but I need to know what's really happening.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Listen.
Speaker 8 (11:17):
I said, you're cognitively impaired and you're incapacitating.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Do I see that way?
Speaker 8 (11:24):
You've been calling me.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Five times a day for the last two weeks.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
No, you don't see that.
Speaker 11 (11:29):
January twenty twenty two, Williams Bank freezes her accounts after
documenting a pattern of unusual and disturbing financial events. Wells
Fargo requests a New York Supreme Court hearing to determine
if Williams is in need of a guardian. A judge
determines Williams is incapable of making informed decisions and appoints
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a temporary financial guardian, Sabrina Morrissey. Williams attempts to return
to work in late November with plans to rely podcast,
but the show never airs, and by March twenty twenty three,
Williams virtually disappears from the public.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
That earlier klet was from our friends at breakfast Club
Power one oh five point one. Now joining me an
expert in this field, Elizabeth mcinturf. She is a veteran
lawyer specializing in guardianship issues, and she is a partner
at Gerzer Salvach. Elizabeth, thank you for joining us while
(12:28):
we can make our own layperson civilian observations. I've talked
to Wendy. James Vittuska has talked to Wendy much more
recently than myself, and she's totally lucid. So how is
it that a bank? I mean, I'm sure banks don't
like a lot of decisions of their clients make over spending,
(12:53):
going into their.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Credit line, going bankrupt, blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
It goes on and on and on, gambling, fiscal responsibility.
So I'm sure the bank doesn't like that. But how
does a bank walk in and say I want to
have a hearing and get her committed?
Speaker 1 (13:10):
How does that happen? Elizabeth?
Speaker 12 (13:12):
So that's not quite what the bank did. The bank
noticed that there is a safety concern regarding Miss Williams
and her accounts. I think in particular, there was some
unusual spending, and oftentimes banks are kind of first line
of defense when somebody is being exploited financially. You think
of the scammers that we get online, the emails that
were answering, phone calls are picking up. Is they're the
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ones who are seeing mom and dad come in and
withdrawing their entirely live eatings so that's what they have
at least alleged stay saw here. They then petition the
court to review whether or not Miss Williams needed a
temporary guardianship. They did not ask for her to be committed,
as my understanding, but for the court to kind of
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undertake the process to see if that there was a
safety protocol needed for Missilians, including a temporary or permanent guardian,
and the court ultimately found that she did.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Okay, let me understand something, Elizabeth Wells.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Fargo swoops in when they say that they see, and
I have no reason to doubt what they're saying, unusual spending.
What constitutes unusual spending to the point that they freeze
your accounts and ask for a judge to grant put
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you in a conservatorship, which they said is temporary.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
But it's been a long time.
Speaker 12 (14:37):
So it often depends on their circumstances. And in this case,
they certainly knew Miss Williams very well. They historically knew
her spending and how and who had access to her account.
My understanding is in this situation that was kind of
a far cry from how things were typically done and
are more kind of relatable your in my everyday life situation,
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and it might be again because ma, our dad, our
neighbors going in and with the money orders to send abroad.
Those are the type of things that raise red flags
on a financial institution that may cause them under guidelines,
to freeze an account or to ask the court to
step in and intervene.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Why is Wendy Williams being kept a prisoner her words,
not mine in an extremely draconian or harsh conservatorship now
claiming she quote lives like a prisoner and has only
two dollars to her name left of her immense fortune
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that she earned and squirrelled away. Can one pivotal incident
trigger a breakdown that lands you in a conservatorship? That
has been alleged about superstar Britney Spears.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Listen.
Speaker 13 (15:55):
She was rushed to the hospital. Police say she was
under the influence. The drama occurred after a three hour
standoff over custody of spears children. Brittany's supposed to turn
boys over to ex husband Kevin Fetterline, but Fetterline eventually
calls police. Brittany seen outside the gates of her home
two and a half hours after police first showed up.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
That incident with swat teams and helicopters hovering overhead. Brittany
and her bathtub, clutching her two little boys, not wanting
to give them up? Did that trigger a series of
events that lands her in.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
A multi year conservatorship?
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Now what could have triggered problems for Wendy Williams?
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Can I say the husband? Listen?
Speaker 14 (16:44):
Twenty nineteen, after twenty years of marriage, Wendy Williams files
for divorce from her manager and husband, Kevin Hunter, after
discovering he fathered a child with another woman. Williams does
not take the betrayal well and begins drinking heavily. Just
before the divorce, Williams reveals she's been in rehab for
some time. During the treatment, Williams is diagnosed with alcohol
induced brain damage. By twenty twenty one, doctor say Williams,
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fifty seven has alcohol induced dementia.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
What are they just throwing everything in the pot and
seeing what boils over? We're hearing Graves, We are hearing
prior addiction to crack many many years ago, and now
this can it all be true? Where is this coming from?
Can one pivotal incident trigger a multi year conservatorship where
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you have no control over your finances or your own life.
To James Vetuska joining us dailymail dot com, the husband.
Can we start with that Kevin Hunter who seemed to
attach himself to the Wendy Williams show as what some
sort of a producer. Then he had basically is living
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to full time but part time with his mistress a
few miles away from Wendy's home. Does he actually have
his name on the mailbox? You can drive by and
see it from.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
When I hear you know, he actually did it at
the time, you know, when when when those allegations were made.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
I don't know if he still does.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
I haven't driven by there myself, but you know, a
lot of it, a lot of it can be placed
on you know, he kind of led her dry and
in a way, you know, he was he was working
on the show with her, he was in you know,
executive producer role, but he had his fingers kind of
in all of her money, you know. So it's kind
of interesting when you know, she knew that he was
having an affair. Everybody knew that he was having an affair.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Wait and then and then.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Will whoa whoa wait wait wait wait, you know it's
one thing for your husband to cheat, it's another thing
to just put it all out there, because you know what,
A lot of times is easier for people to live
with rose colored glasses.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Right.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yeah, maybe she didn't want to fully confront her husband
was slung up with somebody else.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Maybe she didn't want to admit that. But when he
puts the name on the mail.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Lbox and has a baby with the mistress, and then
I believe somebody out of it and it made all
the headlines.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
She had to confront it. Do you remember that spectacle?
Speaker 6 (19:14):
I do? Yeah, No, absolutely, I absolutely do. And I
feel like there's a difference between you know, confronting an
affair and and you know, and and and suffering from
a severe mental illness. You know, I don't necessarily believe
that you know that that is anyone who would be
in that.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
James, are you a shrink? Do you have your psyche
actual degree?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Did you go to medal school medical school and it
specialized in psychiatry?
Speaker 7 (19:36):
No?
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Did you did?
Speaker 6 (19:37):
Not?
Speaker 1 (19:38):
No?
Speaker 2 (19:38):
You didn't, neither did I? So let's go to a shrink.
Doctor John Delatory. Can a single pivotal moment like the
swat team breaking down your door helicopters hovering overhead, when
you don't want to give your children back, when you
want to keep your babies, or when you are.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Forced to confront on a public forum.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
That you're husband has been cheating for years and actually
has given birth and slung up at the mistress's house,
choosing her over you, all right, when he was her
love object for many, many years, her rock, her husband.
I mean, that's huge, and it's seemed to trigger a
series of events that have now landed her and this conservatorship.
Speaker 8 (20:22):
Yeah, I think so. Can it be the impetus? It
absolutely can. And can it, you know, compel someone to
start drinking alcohol excessively?
Speaker 13 (20:30):
Yes.
Speaker 8 (20:30):
Then the other problem that we have is her long
term history of crack cocaine abuse, which already Swiss cheeses
the brain. Now all of this other stuff at her
being in a conservatorship for years upon end. That's the
problem with the program itself. That's the problem with conservatorship
and guardianship. Is there no mechanism to eject if what
you're really dealing with is trauma and grief and other
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kinds of addiction issues that once the person gets the
appropriate treatment, that can actually get out of That's what
Wendy Williams is challenging is the ejection part, the escape.
How can she escape? All this other stuff is certainly
possible to get you there, but escaping is Wendy Williams's
biggest issue.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace to doctor Dennis C. Dougherty
joining us, addiction specialist.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Founder and medical director of Right Relief Health, Doctor Dougherty,
thank you for being with us. How is a prior addiction?
And she admitted she had gone to a sober house
more recently. The crack cocaine addiction was long ago, but
more recently she admitted she was in a sober house
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after this turn of events with her husband such as
he was in a sober house and had started drinking again.
That was the admission. How can alcohol or a prior
drug addiction and crack cocaine it's very powerful, but it
was years ago. How does that affect your permanent mental
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health or does it?
Speaker 15 (22:16):
You know? Right now we're looking at a different paradigm
in how we address substance use disorders, and the treatments
today haven't really addressed the real issues. For instance, you
know that there'll be a contextual trauma or a precipitating
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event that might make somebody who's at risk during recovery
to drink. And not many years ago, you know you
were sent to your AA prison back to the beginning,
or in the nineteen fifties hung in a host at
(23:00):
Bluer to be better. But the fact is that the
very technique they were used, they don't do anything that's
helpful to allow the brain to change. So shaming, guilting,
and particularly isolating someone is insane scientifically.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Guys, is she truly in the throes of dementia? Or
did this whole thing get started because the bank feared
those people closest to her were bleeding her dry of
all her money? Is that a reason to keep her
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in prison? Her words, not mine. Take a listen to
our friends at Lifetime.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
As her family.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
We were all sitting on the sidelines watching and she
was crying out for help.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Did you drink this whole thing today? Keep it there? Okay,
keep it there.
Speaker 16 (24:02):
She has people around who are yes people and allowing
this to continue.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
This is all too much, though, why I have no
idea where we are. This doesn't look like anything familiar.
I think she's losing memory. Have you guys noticed that?
How dare him? I control me? From Lifetimes? Where is
Wendy Williams?
Speaker 3 (24:23):
After her show's cancelation and a shocking dementia diagnosis. In
twenty twenty four, talk show host Wendy Williams fights for
freedom from a conservatorship.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
It's very hard for many of us to believe that
Wendy Williams is so incapacitated that she can't make any
of her own decisions and has no access to her
own business affairs. Or is Elizabeth McInturff correct that Wills
Fargo believes those closest to Wendy are bleeding her dry
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and she is helpless to stop them for whatever reason.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
And look at this from Lifetime, Well, lom has.
Speaker 8 (25:03):
Done a great job making it seem like everything.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Is okay always Wendy makes you look here, Laurens, But
in reality there's something wrong going. Did you see a
neurologist to find out if I'm crazy?
Speaker 7 (25:17):
Oh my god, No, I can't do this, I can't
do this.
Speaker 8 (25:20):
I have to sit down again.
Speaker 16 (25:22):
She put in front of Joe and given a guardian
that when they took her.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Away from works.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
That from our friends at Lifetime it's their new dot
Where is Wendy Williams In the last days, Those around
Wendy and Wendy herself speaking out about the way she
is living Listen.
Speaker 14 (25:41):
At the care facility her guardian has placed her in.
Williams does not have any of her personal belonging to
her electronics. Williams has a phone, but can only make calls.
She cannot receive them. Williams cannot leave her room without
a staff member unlocking the door, much less make a
trip to the store, not that she has any of
her own money to spend anyway. Williams is not allowed
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to travel to her family and visits must be pre approved.
Family members are fearful Williams could be moved to a
new facility without their knowledge.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
This is amazing. How is that? If it's to be.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Believed happening to Wendy Williams. You know, I remember vividly
the Free Brittany movement. No one seems to be speaking
out for Wendy Williams to James Battuska joining us seeing
your showbiz reporter at dailymail dot com.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Are those living conditions that we just heard? Is that true?
Speaker 9 (26:38):
Well?
Speaker 6 (26:38):
You know, actually I had a conversation with the family
who I'm in constant contact with Wendy's you know, direct family,
her you know, her son, and also other family members.
And actually, you know what I found is, you know,
what they said recently is interesting And it's not that
they don't believe that you know, Wendy, you know that
she needs no care, like they're open to you know,
her her possibly you know, you know, seeking no care,
but they wanted it to be in Florida. They want
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her to be around the family. They don't want her
to be isolated in New York. And you know, they're
open to having her, you know, take evaluations and even
you know, undergo if she needs you know, some some
basically you know help on the side. You know, they
want to be the ones to do it. And I
think that's you know, I think that's a fair request.
You know that that she's being given.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Okay, I don't know what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
You're telling me the family wants to oversee her rehab.
Speaker 6 (27:22):
The family wants her to move. The family wants her
to be in Florida. That's basically the whole The whole
thing right now is that you know, if she needs
if she needs, you know, care, she needs some help
on the side or whatever. You know that they're willing to,
you know, to do it, but you know they can't
do it if you know they're all in Florida and
she's in New York. You know, they want her to
be there so that they can, you know, have have
her close. And she that's what she wants too, That's
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all she wants, James.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Regarding where she is now, you have spoken to her
very recently. She has no personal belongings or electronics. She
has a phone, but can only make calls, not receive.
She cannot leave her room without a staff member unlocking
the door.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Is this true?
Speaker 6 (28:01):
I mean when I spoke to here in October, I
called her and she picked up the phone. I don't
know if it was a cell phone orr housephone, but
she did pick up the phone, you know, and she
you know, showed me she was making breakfast. So I'm
not sure exactly you know, all those specifics, but I
do know that, you know, I'm sure she's restricted on
many things as she says, you know, but as far
as you know, electronics going and she she picked up
in Hello.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Interesting Tom Ruskin joining us now private investigator and president
of CMP Protective and Investigative Group. For my purposes, Former
New York City Police detective investigator Tom thank you for
being with us. Now, who are we supposed to trust
the facility holding her under those draconian, very harsh conditions
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if they are to be believed, or.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Her family and seemingly wells.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Fargo was concerned that the family was bleeding her dry,
that they were actually hurting her. Many people claim the
same thing about Britney Spears's father.
Speaker 13 (29:05):
Listen, Britney spears father Jamie is back in the headlines,
this time suggusting the pop superstar has dementia. Fans have
disputed the explosive claim, seeing it couldn't be possible that
Spears had dementia while releasing four albums as well as
putting on high energy global tours in over two hundred
and fifty Las Vegas shows.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah, I don't get that either. How could she do
all that, Tom Ruskin, but have dementia? No? I mean,
I'm not a shrink, but it just doesn't make sense
to me. And in this case, if Wendy can talk
to James Vetusk, James Vituska on the phone, can give
interviews outlining the conditions of her guardianship. How could she
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do that and have such horrible dementia she can't live
alone that she has to be in a facility. How
do you ferret that out?
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Tom? How do you find the truth? As an investigator?
Speaker 10 (29:58):
You systematically go out. You can conduct surveillances, you do interviews,
and you try and determine what the facts are. We're
a finder of the facts and then we turn it
over either to the court or to an attorney like Elizabeth,
or a law firm that we're working for, or the
family and basically reveal what we find. This is a
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very complicated case because you don't know to believe the bank,
you don't know to believe the family. And from what
you're learning from the reporter, she sounded normal and the
capable of handling her own affairs.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace Guys.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
At a certain point, Britney Spears demanded to be heard
by the court.
Speaker 13 (30:57):
Listen, Britney Spears wants to address the judge and her
can servetorship case during today's hearings. Spears court appointed attorney,
so that the pop star wants to address the judge
in court He did not say what the thirty nine
year old singer wants to say, and the judge did
not say if she would grant the request to Elizabeth
Jay McInturff, joining US high profile lawyer specializing in guardianship issues, Elizabeth,
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why can't Wendy Williams have a hearing like the one
Britney Spears demanded and got?
Speaker 12 (31:29):
That is actually what her attorneys are moving to do
right now, is they are moving to have a termination hearing,
to have the court review current records and what has
gone on in the guardianship, including her own health, and
whether or not she still needs to be under a guardianship.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Elizabeth McInturff, He just went into deafcon for warp speed ten.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Could you rephrase that in regular people talk?
Speaker 13 (31:56):
Sure?
Speaker 12 (31:56):
So, Mis Williams clearly does not want to be under
a guardianship anymore and does not feel that she needs
to be under one medically or otherwise. She has asked
her attorneys to file a petition with the court to
terminate her guardianship, and that's what they're doing. So Miss
Williams and her attorneys are going to go before the
court and put on their evidence and say these are
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the reasons why this guardianship is no longer or not needed,
and you should release me from it, or maybe even
modify it so that there's some least restrictive means that
can be employed here. And by least restrictive means, we
mean so maybe she has access to some accounts or
the phone if she is really being kept from it.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Guys, take a listen to our friend Harvey Levin at TMZ.
Speaker 16 (32:43):
Feels like you're screaming for help. Are you allowed to
go out now?
Speaker 4 (32:48):
In the last thirty days, I went out twice.
Speaker 16 (32:52):
This sounds more like a prison than independence.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
I want my right back, I want my freedom back.
Speaker 16 (33:00):
DMZ presents Saving Wendy now streaming on two B.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
That's from our friend Harvey Levin, Saving Wendy.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Are they keeping her safe or keeping her quiet? TV
host Wendy Williams flights back against Glaim. She's incapacitated in
a conservatorship struggle. As your guardian agrees to a new
medical evaluation.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
What conservator would try to disallow Wendy from seeing her
father on his ninety fourth birthday.
Speaker 16 (33:27):
Listen, Wendy, your dad is turning ninety four in February
and he's up there in age, and I know you
will want to go to Miami to see him and
celebrate his birthday because you don't know how many more
they are going.
Speaker 12 (33:42):
To be right exactly.
Speaker 16 (33:46):
That must be important for you.
Speaker 17 (33:51):
It's extremely important.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
It's extremely important.
Speaker 17 (33:57):
To see my dad for his birthday, you know. And
that is a family thing.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
It's not just a me thing, you know.
Speaker 17 (34:03):
I would wish that along with celebrating my dad's ninety
fourth birthday, that we as a family, we come together
in peace and harmony. That's what I wish.
Speaker 12 (34:18):
Like that.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
That is breaking my heart. She clearly is lucid.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
That again is for our friend Harvey Levin at teams
A saving Wendy on to be okay, Doctor John Delatory,
Should I believe that conservator or my lion eyes because
she was extremely lucid?
Speaker 8 (34:40):
Yeah, no, she seemed extremely lucid. That's why it's important
to have one of these independent evaluators take a look
at all of these other underlying issues. There's a whole
lot of nuance that goes into conducting these guardianship evaluations
that sometimes someone can be appropriate, but other times they're
not a p which means that maybe they don't need
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a full.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Wait right way, wait wait, doctor delatory. I don't like
it when people start talking about women behaving inappropriately. Okay,
I don't think that's the right word. She may be
as inappropriate as she wants to, but the issue is
is she mentally ill? Can she not control her business,
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her finances? And according to Tom Ruskin, who's a pro
with this, are people around her facilitating her illness.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
In order to get to her money? That's the question?
Can she find that off? And the irony.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Wendy Williams led the charge to quote, free Brittany.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Listen, I'm part of the army. Now, free Brittany. Leave
Brittany alone.
Speaker 18 (35:53):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I'm there. I'm there, I'm there. How
dare you? I don't like the mother. I don't like
the father. Jamie Lynn, where were you to help your
sister out? I don't like you.
Speaker 8 (36:05):
I don't like any of them, none of them.
Speaker 18 (36:08):
Fire everybody and escape now Brittany.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
She ain't afraid to tell it.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
That's from the official Wendy Williams show. The irony that
she was trying to help free Britney, which she did,
and now no one is freeing Wendy and she goes on, listen.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
How dare you, mister Spears. You had me fooled?
Speaker 7 (36:29):
And you too, missus Spears, death to all of them.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
That from the Official Wendy Williams Show. And she was not.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Afraid to call out family members and more that she
believed we're keeping Britney Spears in a horrible conservatorship. Whether
you like what Britney's doing now or not, that is her.
She is a decision to make. And she called out
other people too.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Listen to me, I will Lucy, stop it. Denial is
a river in Egypt.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Your husband is day Okay, she said that.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
That's from the Wendy Williams experience.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Now listen to her calling it out on the Wendy
Williams Show.
Speaker 18 (37:13):
Ricardo Tucci, you know Kanye's special friend.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
She's a very good friend of Kanye's. I didn't say
a word.
Speaker 18 (37:21):
Because Kanye was probably in the corner talking about yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Yes, Kanze oh girl.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Yeah, that's from the Official Wendy Williams Show.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
She would be having a sill day right now with
Kanye and Beyoncusten. Sorry, don't you know it?
Speaker 18 (37:41):
And more because fortunately one of the TV's in Our
Kitchen has close captioning, so I'll be able to understand
what she says.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
She you know, Beyonce can't talk you all.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
Beyonce sounds like she's got a fifth grade education.
Speaker 12 (37:53):
She can't talk.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Wendy Williams added, again, that's from the official Wendy Williams show.
Those are just examples of her being fearless and saying
whatever she thought and calling people on the rug, calling
them out when she sent something was off. But you
know what, nobody seems to be doing that for Wendy.
Speaker 18 (38:13):
As far as you stand with drug use use going
on at this present time.
Speaker 5 (38:22):
Whitney talking to me, I'm talking to me about that
I was.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
A full blown cocaine out of my mind move on. Well,
seems like Wendy had it right. Uh.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
She was speaking with Whitney Houston and confronting her about
her cocaine alleged cocaine issue and fully admits.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Her own battle with drugs.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Even admitting on many times, including on NPR, that battle
was with crack cocaine, which she defeated. That was Wendy
Williams speaking to Whitney Houston on wb LSFM.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
This woman at the top of the pinnacle listen.
Speaker 11 (39:00):
After a successful trial run of The Wendy Williams Show,
the talk show is broadcast internationally and Garner's two point
four million daily viewers. Williams trades off with Ellen DeGeneres
as the number one female daytime television host for years.
The daily show runs for twelve years straight, while Williams
starts her own reality TV production company with her manager
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and husband Kevin Hunter.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
To Tom Ruskin joining us now and private investigator President
of CMP Protective and Investigative Group, former NYPD detective Tom,
how do we get to the bottom of this going
in front of the same judge that put her in
the concertoship to start with? We're in need more than
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that to free Wendy. If that is in fact what
is appropriate, and I believe that it is. How do
you prove either she is Melli coop competent or that
she was being victimized by people for her money.
Speaker 10 (40:00):
We'd have to conduct a very detailed, complex investigation. But
when you're showing the Harvey Levin tape of him interviewing
her with a camera on the window, she seemed very
coherent there. And let me tell you, as a police officer.
As a former police officer, I saw very high stress
situations like what you described happen to Britney Spear's house,
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helicopters overhead, cops at the ready. The person who's either
acting out that day is high stressed. You have to
bring it down. As a police officer, you bring those
situations down. So for Wendy Williams to be acting out
at certain times is not someone who's disturbed. We call
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a NEDP emotionally disturbed person. It's just someone who's acting
out rationally and irrational.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Time to Sydney Sumner joining us from commonline dot com.
How long has Wendy been in a con servitorship, Nancy.
Speaker 9 (41:01):
We're coming up on three years. She was put under
this guardianship in March of twenty twenty two. Morrissey was
confirmed as her guardian in May of twenty twenty two.
So we're coming up on three years where Wendy has
not been allowed to have any agency over her own life.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Seeing you know, just like Tom Ruskin, private investigator said
that video of Harvey speaking to her and she could
only speak to him through a glass window.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
She looked desperate, but lucid free Wendy Williams. We remember
now an American hero police officer, Jeremy Lebunti rosal P D, Georgia,
just twenty four, shot and killed in the line of duty,
survived by grieving wife now widow alyssa American hero police
(42:00):
officer Jeremy La Bunty. Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend.
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