May 21, 2025 • 41 mins
Today's testimony included allegations that Diddy dressed like a Muslim woman during "Freak Offs."
Sharay Hayes testified he did not recognize Diddy and Cassie Ventura during their first “Freak Off.” On his next invitation, Hayes said he flipped on the TV and saw a welcome message for Mr. Combs. As a fan, he then put the pieces together. Hayes said he participated in eight to 12 “Freak Offs.” He added that it was difficult to focus under Combs’ stare, and when he failed to perform, Combs asked him to leave.
David James, one of Sean "Diddy" Combs' assistants, testified that he ran into Suge Knight with one of Combs’ security guards while picking up snacks for Combs at Mel’s Diner. James said when they returned, the guard informed Combs of the sighting. Combs then grabbed several guns and demanded they return to the diner.
James said he felt he had no choice but to comply because Combs had three guns. He said Knight was gone by the time they got back, but Combs made him circle the block several times.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Eric Faddis - Partner at Varner Faddis Elite Legal, Former Felony Prosecutor and Current Criminal Defense and Civil Litigation Attorney; Instagram: @e_fad @varnerfaddis; TikTok: @varnerfaddis
- Scott Johnson - Forensic Psychologist (Minnesota), 32 years specializing in addressing sexual predators, Adjunct Professor: Florida Gulf Coast University, and Author of "Physical Abusers & Sex Offenders: Forensic Considerations & Strategies" and "When "I Love You" Turns Violent"
- Chris McDonough– Director at the Cold Case Foundation, Former Homicide Detective; Host of YouTube channel: “The Interview Room”
- Rachel Fischer Registered Nurse; Sexual Assault Nurse Examiner (SANE); Expert Witness; Private Investigator; Author: "Taking Back the Pen;" Forensic Nursing Consulting and Education LLC
- Rob Shuter - Host: Naughty But Nice Podcast, Former Publicist of Sean Combs, and Author: "The 4 Word Answer"
- Lauren Conlin - Podcaster, Reporter, Host- Co-Host of "PopCrimeTV" on YouTube; X- @Conlin_Lauren, IG: @LaurenEmilyConlin, YouTube: @PopCrimeTV
- Sydney Sumner- CrimeOnline Investigative Reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A bombshell in the courtroom.
A witness describing Seawan Combs aka Diddy, fully nude from
the neck down, disguising his face as a Muslim woman
at a freak cough with the male punisher escort this
(00:27):
as we hear about a federal raid on his Miami
mansion where.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Crates of baby oil.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Sex toys, ropes, and guns with serial numbers scraped off seized.
I'mancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. I want to thank
you for being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
He is obsessed. I'm in the biggest.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Tootsy roll, the size of a tutsy roll.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
About that's ed b d d dy ed bdddy the
Tutsi roll.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Sean Combs is Tutsi roll.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
We are live at the courthouse and joining us now
investigative reporter Laurenland, star of Pop Crime TV.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Lauren, thank you for being with us. A lot happening
in the courtroom today.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
First of all, we kicked it off this morning with
direct examination of a special agent, Girard Gannon.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
What happened this morning in court?
Speaker 4 (01:15):
We finished the direct examination of special Agent Girard Gannon.
He's with the HSI and he finished showing us all
of the evidence that was collected during the Miami raid
of Sean Colins's house, and this is his house on
Two Star Island and what they seized from the house.
They seized two defaced AR fifteens, and these AR fifteens
(01:38):
they were separated. We saw the the lower barrels and
the upper barrels. The upper barrels were actually they were
wrapped in a towel and the lower barrels were in
a separate spot. And the magazines were not with the
lower barrels. However, the lower magazines were loaded, both of them.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
You know, a lot is being made of the of
agents at the raid, and I find that very very disturbing.
Sidney Sumner, also joining US Crime Story's investigative reporter Sydney,
I understand there were dozens of federal agents at the raid,
(02:17):
So what what's the issue?
Speaker 5 (02:20):
Well, Nancy agents went in feeling like they were going
to be confronted by armed guards. That's what they thought
they were walking into when they came into this house.
They specifically waited for Comes and his family to leave
before they entered to avoid any more confrontation. They only
found six people at the home, a music producer who
(02:43):
has not been named, a property manager, and a few
other staff members. But they put all of those people
in handcuffs to go into the home. And there were
ninety agents total just about and they had people sitting
out at the water to make sure nobody tried to
flee into the canal right behind his home. They had
(03:03):
to come into this in full force, and they were right.
They found a r's with several modifications scratched off serial numbers.
They knew they were possibly coming into a firefight and
prepared for it.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
You are seeing shots now of the Miami mansion that
was rated. The Feds even have the backside that is
on the water completely surrounded.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
You know what, Sidney Summer.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
You and I've covered a lot of cases together when
we've gone on location and investigated a lot of cases.
You know what a gun it makes a big man
little and a little man big.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
You know.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Let's tell it like it is.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Chris mcgunn adjoining me former homicide to detective, A star
of the Interview Room now on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Chris mcdunna. You get an AR going, you get an
M sixteen going.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
How many Feds could they shoot down in about thirty seconds.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Yeah, a lot.
Speaker 7 (04:02):
And that's why these operations. You know, you start out
with an OP plan and you discover those vulnerabilities and
relationship to officer safety.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
You know, where do.
Speaker 7 (04:13):
Officers need to be placed and are they safe in
those positions based on the potential threats that you could
be facing.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
They would be mowed down like an old gangster movie
where machine guns are used.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
And you know, you got to hand it to the fans. McDonough.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
They even had the backside cover that bordered on the
water because I could absolutely see some of Dde's cohorts
trying to.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Make a getaway by water.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (04:39):
Absolutely, And Nancy, I actually had a case where five
guys were mowed down within ten seconds from an automatic weapon.
Speaker 7 (04:47):
It was an SKS.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
You know when you just said that, that put a
chill down me because I've had friends that were gunned
down over nothing, cops LA law enforcement. So when I
hear them in court going on and on and on about.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
How excessive it was.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
At eighty agents surrounded this mansion.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
They were armed to the hilt.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Sidney Sunders, Did I hear you say that the serial
numbers were scratched off some of the weapons.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
Yes, both of those assault rifles, Nancy. The AR fifteen's,
these serial numbers were scratched through, so it's unclear exactly
how they were obtained. If Colme's bottom with the cereal,
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I don't care.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
If the Angel Gabriel came down from heaven and dropped
them in Diddy's lap. That is a serious, serious offense. McDonough,
jump in, this is critical. You know why serial numbers
are scraped off of weapons.
Speaker 6 (05:53):
Absolutely, Nancy, And this tells us maybe there's a wider
neck here.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Right.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
What the FEDS are going to do is throw it
into the system called NIVEN, which is the National Ballistic
Information Network, and they're going to see if these weapons
are tied into any other crimes anywhere in the country.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Put him up.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
You think a bad guy is going to go to
the gun and knife show down at the mall and
buy a gun Hlno, they get weapons like Ar's basically
machine guns on the black market. Why is a serial
(06:33):
number scraped off because that gun could be connected to
another serious crime. I want to see McDonough. McDonough, you
need to get real on this. You think they've ever
found the gun that killed Tupac Shakur or guns that
are related to many many other ag assault shootings and murders.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
No, they've never been recovered.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
And if they were recovered, unless you do a ballistics test,
you don't know if it's the murder weapon or the
assault weapon. Why, because criminals scrape off the serial numbers.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
It doesn't get this.
Speaker 7 (07:10):
No, you're one hundred percent right, Nancy.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
And here's the other question.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I heard that I nearly did a backflip. A backflip,
because that's what that means. When you scratch off the
VN number, the VI I N on a car, it's stolen.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
I mean, think about it like this.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
We see movies all the time where criminals go and
they try to change their looks, they try to have
their their fingerprints change by scraping the skin off nearly impossible.
They'll do anything to hide evidence of a violent crime.
And that is what scraping the serial number off a
gun means. When I heard that, I forgot, I forgot
(07:50):
all about the baby oil and the TUTSI roll because
that means.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
To me these guns were illegal.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Now I got to figure out why crimes, if any, were.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
They connected too.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
I can't stress enough, how serious it is that he
had a cash of weapons.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Serious weapons.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
I don't mean Grandma's daisy rifle in the back of
the closet wrapped up in a quilt. I mean this
kind of weapon, nasty weapons. And why were those serial
numbers scratched off?
Speaker 2 (08:23):
No good reason?
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Straight back to Lauren Colin other In addition to all
the weapons, I mean a lot of weapons. What can
you tell me about women's shoes with seven inch platform heels?
Speaker 4 (08:42):
And it was pretty wild to see a special agent
hold up seven inch heels in court that just happened
to be patent leather and red. We saw Balenciaga boots
that had three different cell phones in them, and then
we saw a fourth cell phone in a separate room.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
We saw a.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
Gucci bag that was filled with a rolled up one
hundred dollars bill. Different types of pills, yellow, orange, pink,
different powders. We saw eye drops and later these drugs
were tested and they were confirmed to be hook ketamine
an MDMA actually in an eye dropper, and there were
(09:20):
actually three orange tablets they found with Tesla symbols on them.
And oh, we also saw xanax. Drugs were tested for xanax.
There also was a wooden box in the bathroom they
found and on top of that wooden box was a
gold inscription that said Puffy. There were mushroom pills in that,
and then a bag of crystal rocks that turns out
(09:41):
was MDMA.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
You know, Sidney Sumner, that reminds me of one of
the first times we heard about a male escort.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
And look, I'm not the church lady. I don't care
you want to be with a male escort. Just you
know what, get after it.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
The point is bringing in prostitutes, bringing in sex workers
across state lines is the federal offense, and that is
one of the charges in the indictment. That's why I care,
And because more than one woman claims they were drugged
out of their gourd and wake up.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
With painting their vagina and their rear.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Ends having been exposed to or participating in sex acts
unbeknownst to them with these male sex workers. So that's
why at the very beginning, Sidney Sumner, we heard that
one male sex worker showed up, knocks at the door.
Cassie comes to the door wearing scantily clad and lingerie
(10:46):
and these heels. I guarantee you it's not Diddy walking
around in eight inch platform heels. He has the women
dress up in various outfits and we see all those
heels at his Miami Man to Sydney.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
That's completely correct, Nancy. And we heard a similar story
from both of the male escorts that have testified that
they believed they were coming for some kind of bachelorette party.
And then this woman opens the door. She's by herself
except for her purported husband in the corner of the room,
and she's disguised. She's wearing some kind of lingerie, a
(11:23):
matching wig, some kind of heels, and it just doesn't
it doesn't make sense the defensive theory that they're saying
that this is all just private sex matter for Sean
Diddy Combs. There is no reason to own half of
the Spencer Store and just keep that in your home.
(11:43):
If that's purely for personal use where there's not more
than one person involved, you're not having opious amounts of
freak off parties. It just it doesn't crap.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Well, that's what we think, Sydney, but that's not what
the defense is going to argue that Sean Combs things.
Their theory is Their argument is that all of this
was consensual, and I guess all of these women are lying,
and Shawn Combs is the Okay, there's great a baby,
old and astroglide.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
And that all the women are lying and Sean Combs
is the only one telling the truth.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Now hold on, We've heard this week about a Louis
Vuitton bag, a huge Louis stuffed full of horse trunk, ecstasy, cocaine,
pink cocaine, plan Be birth control pills, and of course
high powered viagra.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Diddy needs his viagra.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Okay, I'm gonna have to go to our shrink in
a moment about mushroom pills, crystal rocks that are md
NA and what effect that has?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
You know, I'll ask him right now.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Joining me Scott Johnson, Forensics Psychologists, thirty three years addressing
sex Predators Forensicconsultation dot org.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
It's where you can find him, author.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Of Physical Abusers and Sex Offenders. When I Love You
Turns Violent. That's another book. Scott Johnson, thank you for
being with us. What is md M.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
A and what effect does it have on a person?
Speaker 8 (13:21):
All right, so you have the ecstasy basically by the
street name, and you have people that become delusional. It's
difficult to say no. At higher levels, it may cause
a euphoric statement where people are kind of out of
touch with reality, sort of delusional. But it's very difficult
(13:41):
to say no or to resist when you're under the
influence of these medications.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Ecstasy Molly is a stimulant with psychedelic properties.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
That's what it is.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
And if you drop it in one of these ladies' drinks,
there's no telling what I think it's going to.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Have on her. Lauren Collin in front to the courthouse
very quickly.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Laura, I want to ask you about what happened when
we got to Diddy's bathroom of his mansion that was raided.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
The bathroom, yeah, and then we got to a bathroom
where we saw two containers and in one container there
was twenty five bottles of baby oil and thirty one
bottles of astroglide, and I actually spotted two rubber duckies,
a little bit confusing. And when they asked a special agent,
were there more baby oil that you found, he said yes,
(14:31):
and there was because we saw a mini crate of
baby oil during his direct testimony the day before now,
right around when he was testifying. Diddy's sons, Justin and
Christian walked in and did he turned around. He didn't smile,
but he nodded his head at them.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Also, we learned a lot in the core room today.
There was a photo Lauren Conlin, a photo that no
one could figure out what exactly it was. It was
never broadcast to the open courtroom. What happened there was.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
A sealed photo that was shown to the special agent
and just the attorneys, and they made sure that all
the cameras were off in the courtroom. The overflow room
was off and apparently, you know, they said something along
the lines of do you recognize this photo? They seized
over five hundred photos from that home.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Is this you know?
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Is this Sean Colmes? Don't identify anyone else in the photo.
So a lot of us were like, hmm, this seems
like it could be something important, but we don't really
know at this point. Yeah, and then Teddy Geragos just
reiterated that the guns that the AR fifteen's the way
they were shown to the jury, they were shown whole,
but she wanted to reiterate that they were in fact
(15:45):
separated when HSI found them. When the HSI agent was
going through all of this evidence. Diddy didn't really show
much of a reaction. He sat back in his chair.
He was very stoic, and occasionally he would look at
the binder at some of the evidence, but not much
of a reaction at all. The same goes for when
doctor Don Hughes, the forensic psychologist specializing and trauma was testifying,
(16:10):
he really had had no reaction.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
And that's that's kind of been his vibe.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
This morning, we are live at the courthouse bringing you
the latest and the federal government versus Sean Combs, a
multi count federal indictment. Did he raging over last week's
Tutsi role reveal?
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Oh no, did he's really angry this time?
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Oh so he's mad about his Tutsi rol everybody finding
out about that?
Speaker 2 (16:41):
He is mad about? What is he mad about? Throngs
of people not coming to the courthouse.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Ever since I started investigating Seawan Combs, all I've thought
about was candy, candy, candy.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
You know what. I can barely open this Tutsi roll, Midgie.
You know suddenly I've lost my appetite. Shawn comes, and
I think it's because of you. We are learning that
in one.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Episode one Free Cough, as it is ephemistically called, some
people call it sex trafficking, that Shawn comes actually dressed
as a Muslim woman and a conservative dress a burka
where all you see are just the little slits of
the eyes. Now, yes, Shawn Combs was dressed in conservative
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female Muslim dress at berka from the neck up from
the neck down.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Quite the dichotomy. He was entirely nude. Listen.
Speaker 9 (17:44):
The Punisher aka CHARAE Hayes explains he earned the nickname
for his basketball playing. He's been an exotic dancer since
nineteen ninety five. He has thought he was booked for
a bachelorette party at the Trump International Hotel, but the
woman in a wig who answered the door, he explained
her husband wanted to watch them together and instructed him
(18:05):
to pretend like the man in the corner wearing nothing
but a burka to cover his face.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Wasn't there?
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Straight out to Lauren Colin standing by at the courthouse,
uh burka, who is the Punisher?
Speaker 4 (18:19):
We heard the testimony of Sharay Hayes aka the Punisher,
another escort that used to work with Cassie and Ditty,
and this escort testified that he heard Cassie sigh a
few times when she was being directed by Ditty during
these freak offs. He mentioned a lot of the same
things that the other escort mentioned on the stand. Daniel Phillip,
(18:42):
the way the room was set up.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Okay, Now, as much as we want to laugh about
Sean Combs aka Ditty dressing as a conservative Muslim lady
from the neck up and then the dichotomy comes completely
nude from the neck down, yet that might be fun
for a minute, like talking about his Midgie Tutsi role.
(19:05):
But the significance of what Lauren Colin just reported is
that surely Hayes aka the Punisher, and I believe we
have a photo of mister Hayes somewhere. What he says
corroborates what other sex workers say, and transporting sex workers
from out of state into this jurisdiction for free coughs
(19:28):
is illegal. That's making out an element of the crime.
What more did the punisher say, Lauren Colin?
Speaker 4 (19:38):
He also mentioned that he experienced a rectile dysfunction as.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Well, although sure Hayes.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
Was experiencing it before did he and Cassie. Whereas Daniel
Phillip said he started it because of Didy and Cassie.
Now the punisher or Hayes, also wrote a book about
a reptile dysfunction, and there was a moment in court
where every but he kind of laughed because the book
is called In Search of Freezer.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Meet Crime Stories with Nancy Greece straight out to that
one trial lawyer joining us Eric Fattus, trial lawyer or
TV legal analyst, founding partner of Varner Fattus, elite legal
(20:25):
former prosecutor Eric Fattus. How are you going to get
that mental image out of the juror's minds? Because if
you say anything about it as a defense attorney in
closing argument, it's going to make him think of it again.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
But just hold this thought.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Fattest Shawn comes having a sex worker, a male sex worker,
the punisher flown in from out of state.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
When he comes to the door, there's Shawn Comes wearing
a burkra.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
To hear and nothing from here down and then sitting
back in the corner masturbating and telling the sex worker
how to do his business. Hey, are you going to
get that out of the guar's minds?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Fattest Nancy A.
Speaker 10 (21:08):
Jarring image, not something you would ever want to highlight
on the defense side. However, you know, his testimony really
kind of detailed sort of a threesome and and kind
of a cuckhold sort of situation. And as you know,
that might offend the delicate sensibility of some, but it is.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Did you say the people actually still say that that word? Well,
a man whose why or lover is cheating on him.
I thought the whole point of that is that the
husband doesn't know about it.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
It sounds like you might know more about it than me.
Speaker 10 (21:39):
I'm not sure, but but but what it sounds like
in this testimony, In this testimony, you know, they're talking
about threesomes and and and you know, while some people
might not be so jazzed about that, that's something that's
happening in the bedrooms of Americans every night across the country.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
And his testimony from Okay, that's the best thing you've
got for me is that wasn't a free cough, it
was actually a free threesome. Okay, I'll let you work
on getting that mental image out of the minds of
the jurars.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Listen to this.
Speaker 11 (22:11):
Hayes testifies he did not recognize the couple during their
first freak cough, but on his next invitation to the
Essex House, he flipped on the TV a welcome message
for mister Combs appeared in Hayes, a fan put the
pieces together. Hayes says he participated in maybe eight to
twelve freak offs between twenty twelve and twenty sixteen. Hayes
says it was difficult to focus under Comb's stare, and
(22:33):
when he wasn't able to perform for a session, he
was asked to leave and never hired again.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
I mean, it's neither here nor there. This is not
an element of proof. But joining me right now is
Rob Shooter, longtime p R guru two Puffy aka Diddy
aka Shawn Combs doesn't work for me anymore. He is
the host of a hit podcast, Naughty but Nice. He's
that's at robshooter dot substack dot com, and he's the
(22:59):
author of a book Before Word Answer Rob Shooter. I'm
trying to keep count up. How many men has did
he given erectile dysfunction? I've already got I think three,
and that's just the ones.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
That I know of. I mean, say, and certainly.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
It's it's hard to perform for did he apparently?
Speaker 12 (23:21):
So we find out three three gentlemen have a rectile
dysfunction while being hired to have an erection. So that's
a problem. There, a job problem. However, I'm being flippant.
What I'm talking about here, Nancy, and I've been listening
to you very carefully, is these disguises. This is something
that I think I can give you a real insight into.
When I worked with Puffy, although I thankfully never saw
(23:43):
him in a bedroom situation, I did see him go
out out like a lot, and he often wore disguises.
I've been to restaurants with Puffy where he wore baseball cap,
dark glasses. I've even known him wear a fake beard
and a mustache. And so he's a mass mister of
the shooter.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Are you actually equating Diddy disguising himself as a female
conservative Muslim lady from the neck up with the burker
and then completely.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Nude from the neck down. That's something I do not
want to see.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
I've already had to think about this. The Tritsi roll midgie,
Now I got to think about that.
Speaker 12 (24:25):
Yeah, it's not a good look, Nancy. However, the point
I'm trying to make here is that this is somebody
who knows how to be undercover. He's very famous, but
he's also very slippery. When Puffy does not want to
be noticed, he isn't He lived in New York City
for a long time, so.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
You think completely nude from the chin down and wearing
a burker from the chin up makes him not notice.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
I mean that would make me look right at him.
Speaker 12 (24:51):
Well, you can't see his face. And that's the point here,
is that people don't know a strange.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Person is in the room.
Speaker 12 (24:58):
He could be covering his face with a mask, and
so it's a very unusual thing to pick a burker.
Although I think I have a little insight into that.
He was a huge fan of Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson
used to wear burke as when he wanted to go
out and not be recognized.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
So maybe that's the connection there.
Speaker 12 (25:15):
But the point I'm trying to make is did he
knows how to disguise himself? And if this escort hadn't
seen did He's welcome message on the television, he might
still not know who he was performing for.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Okay, so Rob Sheeter, you mentioned that did he like
to dress up, what kind of costumes, what kind of disguises.
Speaker 12 (25:33):
I've seen dark sunglasses, I've seen fake beards, I've seen
fake mustaches, I've seen scarves, I've seen masks long before
COVID was a thing. And so he does know how
to dress down. He's not always did he He's not
always the center of attention. I've been in restaurants with
(25:54):
him where he slipped in and out. I've been on
aeroplanes with him where he slipped on and out. So
this is a guy who knows how to go under
cover when he wants to. He's not used to being
told no.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Shaun Kombs controlled every part.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Of her mind is a heat control for eachment.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
He is a vile, greedy abuser.
Speaker 12 (26:15):
He is running the show, and this is the show
he thinks is going.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
To get him.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
He may be vile, he may be controlling, he may
be an abuser.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
But is he.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Guilty of all the counts or any of the counts
in this federal indictment? So far, according to my legal analysis,
the charges of sex trafficking have been shown by not
only Cassi Venturra, but another female witness as well. Transportation
of male sex workers across state lines to engage in prostitution. Yes, now,
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racketeering is going to have to be explained to the jury.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Racketeering.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Just think about Tony Soprano, right, didn't anybody see Sopranos
on each It went for years and years and years.
It is a loose confederation of people that engage altogether.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
To achieve a criminal act.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
In this criminal conspiracy, the act would be sex trafficking,
bringing people in from various states to perform prostitution or
and to force women to engage in free coffs against
their wills.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Bam easy. Now.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Earlier, Eric Fattis God bless him was stating that the
free coffs were all consensual. But my question is what
woman in her right mind would consent to have sex
with not just a male escort, A lot of people
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do that, but a convicted killer slash male escort.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Her series, Jigglos took over Vegas and the formula because
in Vegas these guys were stars.
Speaker 10 (28:02):
Jigglos was fun, it was sexy, it was glamorous.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
It was Vegas on steroids. They owned the town. They
were traded like rock stars. Here's guys heres. We always
thought one of them would do something stupid.
Speaker 9 (28:16):
We never thought one of them would be a murderer.
At least two of the male escorts. Cassie identified worf
It on the Showtime reality series Jigglows. What is also
a convicted murderer Okshaya Kubiak, who uses the name ash
armand beat her lean Doulai to death. Kubiak claimed he
blacked out after taking mushrooms with Duly, one of Kubiak's clients,
(28:39):
and when he woke up the next morning, she was
brutally beaten to death.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
I'm gonna found it in pain because it lived in pain.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
We took mushrooms together last night.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
They were to struggle in concerts or breeding.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
We have the melody Dane right now.
Speaker 10 (28:55):
Tossters and medical personnel arrived on scene and that female
was pronounced deceased.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
This was one of the worst meetings of a person
of a human that I've seen.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
The sole situation is what horror movies are made of.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
On the morning of the murder, they didn't call nine
one one first. They actually called another Jiggle.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Laugh that from Paramounts Sin City Jigglow. They find the
dead body and they don't call nine one one they
actually call another Jigglow. Okay, you know to Rachel Fisher
joining us a special guest joining Us. Rachel is an
anti trafficking expert featured in the twenty two documentary.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Surviving Sex Trafficking.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
She is a forensic nurse, a sex assault nurse examiner,
an expert witness, and she is at Legal Art Inc.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Consult dot Org. Rachel, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
It's one thing to talk about Diddy dressed up in
a Muslim female burka from the neck up. It's another
thing to talk about this male escorts. Moniker is the punisher,
but it's another thing to force a woman that would
be Cassie Ventura into sex with not just a Jiglo,
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but a convicted killer Jigglow.
Speaker 13 (30:15):
That's the danger of forcing somebody to be involved in
a commercial sex act.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Whether you're the recipient.
Speaker 13 (30:22):
Or you're the one performing it and getting paid for it,
that's still a commercial sex act that she was being
coerce and forced into. And you never know who's on
the other end of the call when you click that
ad online to order an escort, because you can get
one faster than you can get a pizza. In most places,
and whoever shows up, you don't know their background. It's
a very dangerous career to be in the sex industry,
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and many of the people that are there are not
there willingly, and some are, but you never know what
their story is on the other side and what they're
going to come with. That's why we have so many
that are murdered when they're in the sex industry. Or
you get an in call where an escort comes to
you and you get murdered or robbed. It's a very
dangerous thing that you're forcing somebody to be a part of.
(31:03):
And whether he was there present for it or on
the phone on video in a different state across state lines,
he was still you know, causing all of that to
come to play. Whether somebody else was handling the finances,
somebody else was booking the ad, clicking the ad, responding
and chatting back and forth with the escorts that were coming.
There are multiple people involved, and so all of those
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people become part of that scheme and you don't know,
you don't vet the person, you don't do a background
check on the escorts that you are bringing into your
home space. That's no longer safe because it's the fear
of the unknown. You don't know what you're going to
get until they show up.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
And same thing for the escort.
Speaker 13 (31:42):
They don't know what they're walking into.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
You know, as Rob Shooter was saying earlier, let me
go to you, Rob Shooter, host of a hit podcast,
notughty but nice and author, Rob Shooter. When I think
about Cassie Ventira, who was so desperate to please Shawn Combs,
being put in this position over and over and over,
I don't know how anyone could we see the photos
(32:18):
of Cassie's beaten face, the scar that needed plastic surgery
over her head, the bruises along her back, her mom
took pictures of these.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Rob Shooter, having.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Worked with Seawn Combs for so long, did you ever.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
See this side of him?
Speaker 1 (32:37):
I find it really hard to believe that Cassie would
go along with having sex on camera with a convicted killer, Jiglow.
Speaker 12 (32:47):
It's incomprehensible. It makes no sense whatsoever to me. Did
I see any of this?
Speaker 5 (32:52):
No.
Speaker 12 (32:53):
I knew he had a temper, I knew he was bossy,
I knew he liked to do things his ways. Had
this sort of attitude where he was above the law.
Rules did not apply to him. So if you take
that to its logical conclusion, we end up where we
are today. I'm not sure when the turning point was
in Puff's life, but clearly that there was one when
(33:15):
he felt that he was invincible, and that's when the
monster that was probably always there was unleashed.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
A hole Louis Verton bag stuffed full of ecstasy, coke pie,
The women were drugged out of their gourds, pie on horse,
trying ecstasy, klonopin, and more.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
I wonder what Idy Biddy did.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
He is feeling and thinking right now in a courtroom
as a Homewwn Security special agent describes everything that was
found in his mansion that was rated, crates of baby oil,
asto glide.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
That's not against the law.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
What I care about are the federal counts in that
federal indictment. I guess I can put that down now,
sex trafficking, extortion, transporting sex workers across state lines to
engage in transportation, to engage in prostitution.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
But to Eric Fadus, Eric.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Can we not spark just one moment and in simple
terms explain what Rico racketeering and a criminal organization means,
to make it simple, it's a group of people, even
if loosely joined together like gang members, that together advance
(34:52):
the criminal enterprise.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Would you agree with that? It's essentially correct.
Speaker 10 (34:55):
There are a few other wrinkles. There has to be
at least two predicate offenses of racketeering within a ten
year period, they have to be related, and also the
criminal enterprise has to have an effect on interstate commerce,
and so there are some significant requirements here. It's a
tall order to prove this charge in federal court, and
the prosecution is kind of just dipping their toes in
(35:17):
this now, and I'll be to the see kind of
what direction they take it and what predicate offenses they
can expose, because you know, look, marijuana, simple assault, those
kind of things, while they might be unlawful in some jurisdictions,
they are not necessarily predicate offenses that would qualify as
racketeering activity to support a RICO charge. Those are things
like murder, kidnapping, obstruction, victim and witness intimidation fall into
(35:41):
that category as well.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Sex trafficking. Sex trafficking would be the underlying felony. Okay,
let me get right back down to what's happening in
the court room.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Take a listen to this.
Speaker 14 (35:55):
Former assistant David James testifies that Combs was occasionally violent
with private shaff Jordan Atkinson. According to James, after an
altercation at his Alpine, New Jersey home, Combs instructed him
to file a police report, stating Atkinson was the aggressor
and hit him first. James, who witnessed the altercation, says
he simply drove around Alpine for roughly an hour before
(36:17):
returning and telling Combs it was filed. James says he
didn't want to comply with Combs's request because he did
not want to file a false report.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Sidney Sunmery joining me investigative reporter, Crime Stories. Sidney explained
to me, Am I getting this correct. The former assistant
David James described an incident where Seawan Comebs allegedly attacked
a female chef.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
But then wanted James to go.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
File a police report, stating it was the other way around,
but James didn't do it.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
That's absolutely correct. James said that Combs and this chef
got into an altercation in Colmes. Immediately after it ended
came to James and asked him, look, let's go to
the cops. Let's file a police report, but make sure
it says that she attacked. She hit me first, she
was the aggressor. And James kind of did his okay, yeah,
(37:13):
I'll do that, and he got into a car and
just drove around for about an hour before returning home
and saying, yeah, filed it. It's in there. They'll contact
me if they need anything else from us. And the
whole time he never spoke to a police officer about
it because he didn't.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Want to be know what is proved about this Sydney.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
This right here, here we have rob shooter Seawn Colmbs
beating the Steve out of Cassie venture. She's holding up
her thett left hand to fight him off, and they're
going to argue, according to Geragos, and of course this
could change, just like the defense in Scott Peterson changed
(37:56):
from a satanic cult took Lacey to burglars to I
mean it changed over time. So at one point giy
Ghost let it slip that the argument to defeat this
video is that Cassie ninety pound Cassie.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Is the aggressor here.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
She's the one giving him the booty beating over text
from another woman. Okay, she's the aggressor. Same thing with
the chef. See what I'm saying. The connection. So apparently
that's his MO modus operandi method of operation. He attacks
the woman, according to evidence, then says she's the aggressor.
Did he ever take responsibility for anything, Rob Shooter?
Speaker 12 (38:37):
He took responsibility when everything went well. When things were
going good, it was because of him. When things were
not going well, it was because of everybody else. But
this video here, Nancy, this is the case. To me,
This video changes everything. And there's some irony that a
man who has spent his whole life putting out images,
videos to make him into the star is is ultimately,
(39:01):
I believe, going to be brought down because of this video.
That is something that is going to be in the
jury's mind. And the excuses are just excuses, and I
think actually makes things worse for him that they're lame excuses.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Shawn Colmbs on trial in a federal courtroom to Rob
Shooter former PR guru Too, Shawn Combs, you just stated
that Cove spent an entire lifetime curating an image through
video and photos, Like what what image?
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Let me give you examples of this.
Speaker 12 (39:47):
There were images to make him look powerful, images to
make him look important, images to make him look literally
like a king. I got Diddy was People magazine Sexiest
Men Alive issue. He wanted the cover. He did not
get that, but he was in the issue and he
shot it as if he was a king. He asked
(40:07):
at the photoshoot if he could have a crown on
his head, if he could have a coat, a fur coat.
And he knew the power of images. I remember distinctly
he once said to me, Rob, the story doesn't matter.
The headline and the photograph is all anybody remembers. He
(40:28):
knew the power of media, he knew the power of video,
and he exploited it. And now it's going to bite
him in the bumber.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Sydney Sumner. Toward the end of the day, a shrink
was on the stand. What can you tell me about
doctor Don Hughes, Nancy.
Speaker 5 (40:43):
We know that Don Hughes has testified for several important cases.
She was called at the stand for r. Kelly's case,
Keith Bernieri, that sex traficking case. She even testified in
Amber Depth and Amberhurd and Johnny Depp's trial and she
is a blind witness here. She is not privy to
(41:03):
the facts of the case. She hasn't spoken to Cassie Ventura.
She admitted on the stand she has seen a little
bit of news coverage about the case, but she is
not familiar with exactly what happened here, and she is
testifying to give the jury an insight into why Cassie's
seen in this relationship for so long.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
We wait as justice and Foles in the courtroom, and
now we remember an American hero, police officer Demitris Johnson
thirty four, passed away in the line of duty. Lee's
behind wife turned widow Chosen and his two year old son,
American hero Demitrius Johnson.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A bombshell in the courtroom.
A witness describing Seawan Combs aka Diddy, fully nude from
the neck down, disguising his face as a Muslim woman
at a freak cough with the male punisher escort this
(00:27):
as we hear about a federal raid on his Miami
mansion where.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Crates of baby oil.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Sex toys, ropes, and guns with serial numbers scraped off seized.
I'mancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. I want to thank
you for being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
He is obsessed. I'm in the biggest.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Tootsy roll, the size of a tutsy roll.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
About that's ed b d d dy ed bdddy the
Tutsi roll.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Sean Combs is Tutsi roll.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
We are live at the courthouse and joining us now
investigative reporter Laurenland, star of Pop Crime TV.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Lauren, thank you for being with us. A lot happening
in the courtroom today.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
First of all, we kicked it off this morning with
direct examination of a special agent, Girard Gannon.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
What happened this morning in court?
Speaker 4 (01:15):
We finished the direct examination of special Agent Girard Gannon.
He's with the HSI and he finished showing us all
of the evidence that was collected during the Miami raid
of Sean Colins's house, and this is his house on
Two Star Island and what they seized from the house.
They seized two defaced AR fifteens, and these AR fifteens
(01:38):
they were separated. We saw the the lower barrels and
the upper barrels. The upper barrels were actually they were
wrapped in a towel and the lower barrels were in
a separate spot. And the magazines were not with the
lower barrels. However, the lower magazines were loaded, both of them.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
You know, a lot is being made of the of
agents at the raid, and I find that very very disturbing.
Sidney Sumner, also joining US Crime Story's investigative reporter Sydney,
I understand there were dozens of federal agents at the raid,
(02:17):
So what what's the issue?
Speaker 5 (02:20):
Well, Nancy agents went in feeling like they were going
to be confronted by armed guards. That's what they thought
they were walking into when they came into this house.
They specifically waited for Comes and his family to leave
before they entered to avoid any more confrontation. They only
found six people at the home, a music producer who
(02:43):
has not been named, a property manager, and a few
other staff members. But they put all of those people
in handcuffs to go into the home. And there were
ninety agents total just about and they had people sitting
out at the water to make sure nobody tried to
flee into the canal right behind his home. They had
(03:03):
to come into this in full force, and they were right.
They found a r's with several modifications scratched off serial numbers.
They knew they were possibly coming into a firefight and
prepared for it.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
You are seeing shots now of the Miami mansion that
was rated. The Feds even have the backside that is
on the water completely surrounded.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
You know what, Sidney Summer.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
You and I've covered a lot of cases together when
we've gone on location and investigated a lot of cases.
You know what a gun it makes a big man
little and a little man big.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
You know.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Let's tell it like it is.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Chris mcgunn adjoining me former homicide to detective, A star
of the Interview Room now on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Chris mcdunna. You get an AR going, you get an
M sixteen going.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
How many Feds could they shoot down in about thirty seconds.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Yeah, a lot.
Speaker 7 (04:02):
And that's why these operations. You know, you start out
with an OP plan and you discover those vulnerabilities and
relationship to officer safety.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
You know, where do.
Speaker 7 (04:13):
Officers need to be placed and are they safe in
those positions based on the potential threats that you could
be facing.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
They would be mowed down like an old gangster movie
where machine guns are used.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
And you know, you got to hand it to the fans. McDonough.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
They even had the backside cover that bordered on the
water because I could absolutely see some of Dde's cohorts
trying to.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Make a getaway by water.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (04:39):
Absolutely, And Nancy, I actually had a case where five
guys were mowed down within ten seconds from an automatic weapon.
Speaker 7 (04:47):
It was an SKS.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
You know when you just said that, that put a
chill down me because I've had friends that were gunned
down over nothing, cops LA law enforcement. So when I
hear them in court going on and on and on about.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
How excessive it was.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
At eighty agents surrounded this mansion.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
They were armed to the hilt.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Sidney Sunders, Did I hear you say that the serial
numbers were scratched off some of the weapons.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
Yes, both of those assault rifles, Nancy. The AR fifteen's,
these serial numbers were scratched through, so it's unclear exactly
how they were obtained. If Colme's bottom with the cereal,
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I don't care.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
If the Angel Gabriel came down from heaven and dropped
them in Diddy's lap. That is a serious, serious offense. McDonough,
jump in, this is critical. You know why serial numbers
are scraped off of weapons.
Speaker 6 (05:53):
Absolutely, Nancy, And this tells us maybe there's a wider
neck here.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Right.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
What the FEDS are going to do is throw it
into the system called NIVEN, which is the National Ballistic
Information Network, and they're going to see if these weapons
are tied into any other crimes anywhere in the country.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Put him up.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
You think a bad guy is going to go to
the gun and knife show down at the mall and
buy a gun Hlno, they get weapons like Ar's basically
machine guns on the black market. Why is a serial
(06:33):
number scraped off because that gun could be connected to
another serious crime. I want to see McDonough. McDonough, you
need to get real on this. You think they've ever
found the gun that killed Tupac Shakur or guns that
are related to many many other ag assault shootings and murders.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
No, they've never been recovered.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
And if they were recovered, unless you do a ballistics test,
you don't know if it's the murder weapon or the
assault weapon. Why, because criminals scrape off the serial numbers.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
It doesn't get this.
Speaker 7 (07:10):
No, you're one hundred percent right, Nancy.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
And here's the other question.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I heard that I nearly did a backflip. A backflip,
because that's what that means. When you scratch off the
VN number, the VI I N on a car, it's stolen.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
I mean, think about it like this.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
We see movies all the time where criminals go and
they try to change their looks, they try to have
their their fingerprints change by scraping the skin off nearly impossible.
They'll do anything to hide evidence of a violent crime.
And that is what scraping the serial number off a
gun means. When I heard that, I forgot, I forgot
(07:50):
all about the baby oil and the TUTSI roll because
that means.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
To me these guns were illegal.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Now I got to figure out why crimes, if any, were.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
They connected too.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
I can't stress enough, how serious it is that he
had a cash of weapons.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Serious weapons.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
I don't mean Grandma's daisy rifle in the back of
the closet wrapped up in a quilt. I mean this
kind of weapon, nasty weapons. And why were those serial
numbers scratched off?
Speaker 2 (08:23):
No good reason?
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Straight back to Lauren Colin other In addition to all
the weapons, I mean a lot of weapons. What can
you tell me about women's shoes with seven inch platform heels?
Speaker 4 (08:42):
And it was pretty wild to see a special agent
hold up seven inch heels in court that just happened
to be patent leather and red. We saw Balenciaga boots
that had three different cell phones in them, and then
we saw a fourth cell phone in a separate room.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
We saw a.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
Gucci bag that was filled with a rolled up one
hundred dollars bill. Different types of pills, yellow, orange, pink,
different powders. We saw eye drops and later these drugs
were tested and they were confirmed to be hook ketamine
an MDMA actually in an eye dropper, and there were
(09:20):
actually three orange tablets they found with Tesla symbols on them.
And oh, we also saw xanax. Drugs were tested for xanax.
There also was a wooden box in the bathroom they
found and on top of that wooden box was a
gold inscription that said Puffy. There were mushroom pills in that,
and then a bag of crystal rocks that turns out
(09:41):
was MDMA.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
You know, Sidney Sumner, that reminds me of one of
the first times we heard about a male escort.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
And look, I'm not the church lady. I don't care
you want to be with a male escort. Just you
know what, get after it.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
The point is bringing in prostitutes, bringing in sex workers
across state lines is the federal offense, and that is
one of the charges in the indictment. That's why I care,
And because more than one woman claims they were drugged
out of their gourd and wake up.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
With painting their vagina and their rear.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Ends having been exposed to or participating in sex acts
unbeknownst to them with these male sex workers. So that's
why at the very beginning, Sidney Sumner, we heard that
one male sex worker showed up, knocks at the door.
Cassie comes to the door wearing scantily clad and lingerie
(10:46):
and these heels. I guarantee you it's not Diddy walking
around in eight inch platform heels. He has the women
dress up in various outfits and we see all those
heels at his Miami Man to Sydney.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
That's completely correct, Nancy. And we heard a similar story
from both of the male escorts that have testified that
they believed they were coming for some kind of bachelorette party.
And then this woman opens the door. She's by herself
except for her purported husband in the corner of the room,
and she's disguised. She's wearing some kind of lingerie, a
(11:23):
matching wig, some kind of heels, and it just doesn't
it doesn't make sense the defensive theory that they're saying
that this is all just private sex matter for Sean
Diddy Combs. There is no reason to own half of
the Spencer Store and just keep that in your home.
(11:43):
If that's purely for personal use where there's not more
than one person involved, you're not having opious amounts of
freak off parties. It just it doesn't crap.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Well, that's what we think, Sydney, but that's not what
the defense is going to argue that Sean Combs things.
Their theory is Their argument is that all of this
was consensual, and I guess all of these women are lying,
and Shawn Combs is the Okay, there's great a baby,
old and astroglide.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
And that all the women are lying and Sean Combs
is the only one telling the truth.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Now hold on, We've heard this week about a Louis
Vuitton bag, a huge Louis stuffed full of horse trunk, ecstasy, cocaine,
pink cocaine, plan Be birth control pills, and of course
high powered viagra.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Diddy needs his viagra.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Okay, I'm gonna have to go to our shrink in
a moment about mushroom pills, crystal rocks that are md
NA and what effect that has?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
You know, I'll ask him right now.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Joining me Scott Johnson, Forensics Psychologists, thirty three years addressing
sex Predators Forensicconsultation dot org.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
It's where you can find him, author.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Of Physical Abusers and Sex Offenders. When I Love You
Turns Violent. That's another book. Scott Johnson, thank you for
being with us. What is md M.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
A and what effect does it have on a person?
Speaker 8 (13:21):
All right, so you have the ecstasy basically by the
street name, and you have people that become delusional. It's
difficult to say no. At higher levels, it may cause
a euphoric statement where people are kind of out of
touch with reality, sort of delusional. But it's very difficult
(13:41):
to say no or to resist when you're under the
influence of these medications.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Ecstasy Molly is a stimulant with psychedelic properties.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
That's what it is.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
And if you drop it in one of these ladies' drinks,
there's no telling what I think it's going to.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Have on her. Lauren Collin in front to the courthouse
very quickly.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Laura, I want to ask you about what happened when
we got to Diddy's bathroom of his mansion that was raided.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
The bathroom, yeah, and then we got to a bathroom
where we saw two containers and in one container there
was twenty five bottles of baby oil and thirty one
bottles of astroglide, and I actually spotted two rubber duckies,
a little bit confusing. And when they asked a special agent,
were there more baby oil that you found, he said yes,
(14:31):
and there was because we saw a mini crate of
baby oil during his direct testimony the day before now,
right around when he was testifying. Diddy's sons, Justin and
Christian walked in and did he turned around. He didn't smile,
but he nodded his head at them.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Also, we learned a lot in the core room today.
There was a photo Lauren Conlin, a photo that no
one could figure out what exactly it was. It was
never broadcast to the open courtroom. What happened there was.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
A sealed photo that was shown to the special agent
and just the attorneys, and they made sure that all
the cameras were off in the courtroom. The overflow room
was off and apparently, you know, they said something along
the lines of do you recognize this photo? They seized
over five hundred photos from that home.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Is this you know?
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Is this Sean Colmes? Don't identify anyone else in the photo.
So a lot of us were like, hmm, this seems
like it could be something important, but we don't really
know at this point. Yeah, and then Teddy Geragos just
reiterated that the guns that the AR fifteen's the way
they were shown to the jury, they were shown whole,
but she wanted to reiterate that they were in fact
(15:45):
separated when HSI found them. When the HSI agent was
going through all of this evidence. Diddy didn't really show
much of a reaction. He sat back in his chair.
He was very stoic, and occasionally he would look at
the binder at some of the evidence, but not much
of a reaction at all. The same goes for when
doctor Don Hughes, the forensic psychologist specializing and trauma was testifying,
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he really had had no reaction.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
And that's that's kind of been his vibe.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
This morning, we are live at the courthouse bringing you
the latest and the federal government versus Sean Combs, a
multi count federal indictment. Did he raging over last week's
Tutsi role reveal?
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Oh no, did he's really angry this time?
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Oh so he's mad about his Tutsi rol everybody finding
out about that?
Speaker 2 (16:41):
He is mad about? What is he mad about? Throngs
of people not coming to the courthouse.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Ever since I started investigating Seawan Combs, all I've thought
about was candy, candy, candy.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
You know what. I can barely open this Tutsi roll, Midgie.
You know suddenly I've lost my appetite. Shawn comes, and
I think it's because of you. We are learning that
in one.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Episode one Free Cough, as it is ephemistically called, some
people call it sex trafficking, that Shawn comes actually dressed
as a Muslim woman and a conservative dress a burka
where all you see are just the little slits of
the eyes. Now, yes, Shawn Combs was dressed in conservative
(17:33):
female Muslim dress at berka from the neck up from
the neck down.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Quite the dichotomy. He was entirely nude. Listen.
Speaker 9 (17:44):
The Punisher aka CHARAE Hayes explains he earned the nickname
for his basketball playing. He's been an exotic dancer since
nineteen ninety five. He has thought he was booked for
a bachelorette party at the Trump International Hotel, but the
woman in a wig who answered the door, he explained
her husband wanted to watch them together and instructed him
(18:05):
to pretend like the man in the corner wearing nothing
but a burka to cover his face.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Wasn't there?
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Straight out to Lauren Colin standing by at the courthouse,
uh burka, who is the Punisher?
Speaker 4 (18:19):
We heard the testimony of Sharay Hayes aka the Punisher,
another escort that used to work with Cassie and Ditty,
and this escort testified that he heard Cassie sigh a
few times when she was being directed by Ditty during
these freak offs. He mentioned a lot of the same
things that the other escort mentioned on the stand. Daniel Phillip,
(18:42):
the way the room was set up.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Okay, Now, as much as we want to laugh about
Sean Combs aka Ditty dressing as a conservative Muslim lady
from the neck up and then the dichotomy comes completely
nude from the neck down, yet that might be fun
for a minute, like talking about his Midgie Tutsi role.
(19:05):
But the significance of what Lauren Colin just reported is
that surely Hayes aka the Punisher, and I believe we
have a photo of mister Hayes somewhere. What he says
corroborates what other sex workers say, and transporting sex workers
from out of state into this jurisdiction for free coughs
(19:28):
is illegal. That's making out an element of the crime.
What more did the punisher say, Lauren Colin?
Speaker 4 (19:38):
He also mentioned that he experienced a rectile dysfunction as.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Well, although sure Hayes.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
Was experiencing it before did he and Cassie. Whereas Daniel
Phillip said he started it because of Didy and Cassie.
Now the punisher or Hayes, also wrote a book about
a reptile dysfunction, and there was a moment in court
where every but he kind of laughed because the book
is called In Search of Freezer.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Meet Crime Stories with Nancy Greece straight out to that
one trial lawyer joining us Eric Fattus, trial lawyer or
TV legal analyst, founding partner of Varner Fattus, elite legal
(20:25):
former prosecutor Eric Fattus. How are you going to get
that mental image out of the juror's minds? Because if
you say anything about it as a defense attorney in
closing argument, it's going to make him think of it again.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
But just hold this thought.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Fattest Shawn comes having a sex worker, a male sex worker,
the punisher flown in from out of state.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
When he comes to the door, there's Shawn Comes wearing
a burkra.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
To hear and nothing from here down and then sitting
back in the corner masturbating and telling the sex worker
how to do his business. Hey, are you going to
get that out of the guar's minds?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Fattest Nancy A.
Speaker 10 (21:08):
Jarring image, not something you would ever want to highlight
on the defense side. However, you know, his testimony really
kind of detailed sort of a threesome and and kind
of a cuckhold sort of situation. And as you know,
that might offend the delicate sensibility of some, but it is.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Did you say the people actually still say that that word? Well,
a man whose why or lover is cheating on him.
I thought the whole point of that is that the
husband doesn't know about it.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
It sounds like you might know more about it than me.
Speaker 10 (21:39):
I'm not sure, but but but what it sounds like
in this testimony, In this testimony, you know, they're talking
about threesomes and and and you know, while some people
might not be so jazzed about that, that's something that's
happening in the bedrooms of Americans every night across the country.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
And his testimony from Okay, that's the best thing you've
got for me is that wasn't a free cough, it
was actually a free threesome. Okay, I'll let you work
on getting that mental image out of the minds of
the jurars.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Listen to this.
Speaker 11 (22:11):
Hayes testifies he did not recognize the couple during their
first freak cough, but on his next invitation to the
Essex House, he flipped on the TV a welcome message
for mister Combs appeared in Hayes, a fan put the
pieces together. Hayes says he participated in maybe eight to
twelve freak offs between twenty twelve and twenty sixteen. Hayes
says it was difficult to focus under Comb's stare, and
(22:33):
when he wasn't able to perform for a session, he
was asked to leave and never hired again.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
I mean, it's neither here nor there. This is not
an element of proof. But joining me right now is
Rob Shooter, longtime p R guru two Puffy aka Diddy
aka Shawn Combs doesn't work for me anymore. He is
the host of a hit podcast, Naughty but Nice. He's
that's at robshooter dot substack dot com, and he's the
(22:59):
author of a book Before Word Answer Rob Shooter. I'm
trying to keep count up. How many men has did
he given erectile dysfunction? I've already got I think three,
and that's just the ones.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
That I know of. I mean, say, and certainly.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
It's it's hard to perform for did he apparently?
Speaker 12 (23:21):
So we find out three three gentlemen have a rectile
dysfunction while being hired to have an erection. So that's
a problem. There, a job problem. However, I'm being flippant.
What I'm talking about here, Nancy, and I've been listening
to you very carefully, is these disguises. This is something
that I think I can give you a real insight into.
When I worked with Puffy, although I thankfully never saw
(23:43):
him in a bedroom situation, I did see him go
out out like a lot, and he often wore disguises.
I've been to restaurants with Puffy where he wore baseball cap,
dark glasses. I've even known him wear a fake beard
and a mustache. And so he's a mass mister of
the shooter.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Are you actually equating Diddy disguising himself as a female
conservative Muslim lady from the neck up with the burker
and then completely.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Nude from the neck down. That's something I do not
want to see.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
I've already had to think about this. The Tritsi roll midgie,
Now I got to think about that.
Speaker 12 (24:25):
Yeah, it's not a good look, Nancy. However, the point
I'm trying to make here is that this is somebody
who knows how to be undercover. He's very famous, but
he's also very slippery. When Puffy does not want to
be noticed, he isn't He lived in New York City
for a long time, so.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
You think completely nude from the chin down and wearing
a burker from the chin up makes him not notice.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
I mean that would make me look right at him.
Speaker 12 (24:51):
Well, you can't see his face. And that's the point here,
is that people don't know a strange.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Person is in the room.
Speaker 12 (24:58):
He could be covering his face with a mask, and
so it's a very unusual thing to pick a burker.
Although I think I have a little insight into that.
He was a huge fan of Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson
used to wear burke as when he wanted to go
out and not be recognized.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
So maybe that's the connection there.
Speaker 12 (25:15):
But the point I'm trying to make is did he
knows how to disguise himself? And if this escort hadn't
seen did He's welcome message on the television, he might
still not know who he was performing for.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Okay, so Rob Sheeter, you mentioned that did he like
to dress up, what kind of costumes, what kind of disguises.
Speaker 12 (25:33):
I've seen dark sunglasses, I've seen fake beards, I've seen
fake mustaches, I've seen scarves, I've seen masks long before
COVID was a thing. And so he does know how
to dress down. He's not always did he He's not
always the center of attention. I've been in restaurants with
(25:54):
him where he slipped in and out. I've been on
aeroplanes with him where he slipped on and out. So
this is a guy who knows how to go under
cover when he wants to. He's not used to being
told no.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Shaun Kombs controlled every part.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Of her mind is a heat control for eachment.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
He is a vile, greedy abuser.
Speaker 12 (26:15):
He is running the show, and this is the show
he thinks is going.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
To get him.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
He may be vile, he may be controlling, he may
be an abuser.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
But is he.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Guilty of all the counts or any of the counts
in this federal indictment? So far, according to my legal analysis,
the charges of sex trafficking have been shown by not
only Cassi Venturra, but another female witness as well. Transportation
of male sex workers across state lines to engage in prostitution. Yes, now,
(26:51):
racketeering is going to have to be explained to the jury.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Racketeering.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Just think about Tony Soprano, right, didn't anybody see Sopranos
on each It went for years and years and years.
It is a loose confederation of people that engage altogether.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
To achieve a criminal act.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
In this criminal conspiracy, the act would be sex trafficking,
bringing people in from various states to perform prostitution or
and to force women to engage in free coffs against
their wills.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Bam easy. Now.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Earlier, Eric Fattis God bless him was stating that the
free coffs were all consensual. But my question is what
woman in her right mind would consent to have sex
with not just a male escort, A lot of people
(27:48):
do that, but a convicted killer slash male escort.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Her series, Jigglos took over Vegas and the formula because
in Vegas these guys were stars.
Speaker 10 (28:02):
Jigglos was fun, it was sexy, it was glamorous.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
It was Vegas on steroids. They owned the town. They
were traded like rock stars. Here's guys heres. We always
thought one of them would do something stupid.
Speaker 9 (28:16):
We never thought one of them would be a murderer.
At least two of the male escorts. Cassie identified worf
It on the Showtime reality series Jigglows. What is also
a convicted murderer Okshaya Kubiak, who uses the name ash
armand beat her lean Doulai to death. Kubiak claimed he
blacked out after taking mushrooms with Duly, one of Kubiak's clients,
(28:39):
and when he woke up the next morning, she was
brutally beaten to death.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
I'm gonna found it in pain because it lived in pain.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
We took mushrooms together last night.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
They were to struggle in concerts or breeding.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
We have the melody Dane right now.
Speaker 10 (28:55):
Tossters and medical personnel arrived on scene and that female
was pronounced deceased.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
This was one of the worst meetings of a person
of a human that I've seen.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
The sole situation is what horror movies are made of.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
On the morning of the murder, they didn't call nine
one one first. They actually called another Jiggle.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Laugh that from Paramounts Sin City Jigglow. They find the
dead body and they don't call nine one one they
actually call another Jigglow. Okay, you know to Rachel Fisher
joining us a special guest joining Us. Rachel is an
anti trafficking expert featured in the twenty two documentary.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Surviving Sex Trafficking.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
She is a forensic nurse, a sex assault nurse examiner,
an expert witness, and she is at Legal Art Inc.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Consult dot Org. Rachel, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
It's one thing to talk about Diddy dressed up in
a Muslim female burka from the neck up. It's another
thing to talk about this male escorts. Moniker is the punisher,
but it's another thing to force a woman that would
be Cassie Ventura into sex with not just a Jiglo,
(30:12):
but a convicted killer Jigglow.
Speaker 13 (30:15):
That's the danger of forcing somebody to be involved in
a commercial sex act.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Whether you're the recipient.
Speaker 13 (30:22):
Or you're the one performing it and getting paid for it,
that's still a commercial sex act that she was being
coerce and forced into. And you never know who's on
the other end of the call when you click that
ad online to order an escort, because you can get
one faster than you can get a pizza. In most places,
and whoever shows up, you don't know their background. It's
a very dangerous career to be in the sex industry,
(30:43):
and many of the people that are there are not
there willingly, and some are, but you never know what
their story is on the other side and what they're
going to come with. That's why we have so many
that are murdered when they're in the sex industry. Or
you get an in call where an escort comes to
you and you get murdered or robbed. It's a very
dangerous thing that you're forcing somebody to be a part of.
(31:03):
And whether he was there present for it or on
the phone on video in a different state across state lines,
he was still you know, causing all of that to
come to play. Whether somebody else was handling the finances,
somebody else was booking the ad, clicking the ad, responding
and chatting back and forth with the escorts that were coming.
There are multiple people involved, and so all of those
(31:25):
people become part of that scheme and you don't know,
you don't vet the person, you don't do a background
check on the escorts that you are bringing into your
home space. That's no longer safe because it's the fear
of the unknown. You don't know what you're going to
get until they show up.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
And same thing for the escort.
Speaker 13 (31:42):
They don't know what they're walking into.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
You know, as Rob Shooter was saying earlier, let me
go to you, Rob Shooter, host of a hit podcast,
notughty but nice and author, Rob Shooter. When I think
about Cassie Ventira, who was so desperate to please Shawn Combs,
being put in this position over and over and over,
I don't know how anyone could we see the photos
(32:18):
of Cassie's beaten face, the scar that needed plastic surgery
over her head, the bruises along her back, her mom
took pictures of these.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Rob Shooter, having.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Worked with Seawn Combs for so long, did you ever.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
See this side of him?
Speaker 1 (32:37):
I find it really hard to believe that Cassie would
go along with having sex on camera with a convicted killer, Jiglow.
Speaker 12 (32:47):
It's incomprehensible. It makes no sense whatsoever to me. Did
I see any of this?
Speaker 5 (32:52):
No.
Speaker 12 (32:53):
I knew he had a temper, I knew he was bossy,
I knew he liked to do things his ways. Had
this sort of attitude where he was above the law.
Rules did not apply to him. So if you take
that to its logical conclusion, we end up where we
are today. I'm not sure when the turning point was
in Puff's life, but clearly that there was one when
(33:15):
he felt that he was invincible, and that's when the
monster that was probably always there was unleashed.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
A hole Louis Verton bag stuffed full of ecstasy, coke pie,
The women were drugged out of their gourds, pie on horse,
trying ecstasy, klonopin, and more.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
I wonder what Idy Biddy did.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
He is feeling and thinking right now in a courtroom
as a Homewwn Security special agent describes everything that was
found in his mansion that was rated, crates of baby oil,
asto glide.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
That's not against the law.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
What I care about are the federal counts in that
federal indictment. I guess I can put that down now,
sex trafficking, extortion, transporting sex workers across state lines to
engage in transportation, to engage in prostitution.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
But to Eric Fadus, Eric.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Can we not spark just one moment and in simple
terms explain what Rico racketeering and a criminal organization means,
to make it simple, it's a group of people, even
if loosely joined together like gang members, that together advance
(34:52):
the criminal enterprise.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Would you agree with that? It's essentially correct.
Speaker 10 (34:55):
There are a few other wrinkles. There has to be
at least two predicate offenses of racketeering within a ten
year period, they have to be related, and also the
criminal enterprise has to have an effect on interstate commerce,
and so there are some significant requirements here. It's a
tall order to prove this charge in federal court, and
the prosecution is kind of just dipping their toes in
(35:17):
this now, and I'll be to the see kind of
what direction they take it and what predicate offenses they
can expose, because you know, look, marijuana, simple assault, those
kind of things, while they might be unlawful in some jurisdictions,
they are not necessarily predicate offenses that would qualify as
racketeering activity to support a RICO charge. Those are things
like murder, kidnapping, obstruction, victim and witness intimidation fall into
(35:41):
that category as well.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Sex trafficking. Sex trafficking would be the underlying felony. Okay,
let me get right back down to what's happening in
the court room.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Take a listen to this.
Speaker 14 (35:55):
Former assistant David James testifies that Combs was occasionally violent
with private shaff Jordan Atkinson. According to James, after an
altercation at his Alpine, New Jersey home, Combs instructed him
to file a police report, stating Atkinson was the aggressor
and hit him first. James, who witnessed the altercation, says
he simply drove around Alpine for roughly an hour before
(36:17):
returning and telling Combs it was filed. James says he
didn't want to comply with Combs's request because he did
not want to file a false report.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Sidney Sunmery joining me investigative reporter, Crime Stories. Sidney explained
to me, Am I getting this correct. The former assistant
David James described an incident where Seawan Comebs allegedly attacked
a female chef.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
But then wanted James to go.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
File a police report, stating it was the other way around,
but James didn't do it.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
That's absolutely correct. James said that Combs and this chef
got into an altercation in Colmes. Immediately after it ended
came to James and asked him, look, let's go to
the cops. Let's file a police report, but make sure
it says that she attacked. She hit me first, she
was the aggressor. And James kind of did his okay, yeah,
(37:13):
I'll do that, and he got into a car and
just drove around for about an hour before returning home
and saying, yeah, filed it. It's in there. They'll contact
me if they need anything else from us. And the
whole time he never spoke to a police officer about
it because he didn't.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Want to be know what is proved about this Sydney.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
This right here, here we have rob shooter Seawn Colmbs
beating the Steve out of Cassie venture. She's holding up
her thett left hand to fight him off, and they're
going to argue, according to Geragos, and of course this
could change, just like the defense in Scott Peterson changed
(37:56):
from a satanic cult took Lacey to burglars to I
mean it changed over time. So at one point giy
Ghost let it slip that the argument to defeat this
video is that Cassie ninety pound Cassie.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Is the aggressor here.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
She's the one giving him the booty beating over text
from another woman. Okay, she's the aggressor. Same thing with
the chef. See what I'm saying. The connection. So apparently
that's his MO modus operandi method of operation. He attacks
the woman, according to evidence, then says she's the aggressor.
Did he ever take responsibility for anything, Rob Shooter?
Speaker 12 (38:37):
He took responsibility when everything went well. When things were
going good, it was because of him. When things were
not going well, it was because of everybody else. But
this video here, Nancy, this is the case. To me,
This video changes everything. And there's some irony that a
man who has spent his whole life putting out images,
videos to make him into the star is is ultimately,
(39:01):
I believe, going to be brought down because of this video.
That is something that is going to be in the
jury's mind. And the excuses are just excuses, and I
think actually makes things worse for him that they're lame excuses.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Shawn Colmbs on trial in a federal courtroom to Rob
Shooter former PR guru Too, Shawn Combs, you just stated
that Cove spent an entire lifetime curating an image through
video and photos, Like what what image?
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Let me give you examples of this.
Speaker 12 (39:47):
There were images to make him look powerful, images to
make him look important, images to make him look literally
like a king. I got Diddy was People magazine Sexiest
Men Alive issue. He wanted the cover. He did not
get that, but he was in the issue and he
shot it as if he was a king. He asked
(40:07):
at the photoshoot if he could have a crown on
his head, if he could have a coat, a fur coat.
And he knew the power of images. I remember distinctly
he once said to me, Rob, the story doesn't matter.
The headline and the photograph is all anybody remembers. He
(40:28):
knew the power of media, he knew the power of video,
and he exploited it. And now it's going to bite
him in the bumber.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Sydney Sumner. Toward the end of the day, a shrink
was on the stand. What can you tell me about
doctor Don Hughes, Nancy.
Speaker 5 (40:43):
We know that Don Hughes has testified for several important cases.
She was called at the stand for r. Kelly's case,
Keith Bernieri, that sex traficking case. She even testified in
Amber Depth and Amberhurd and Johnny Depp's trial and she
is a blind witness here. She is not privy to
(41:03):
the facts of the case. She hasn't spoken to Cassie Ventura.
She admitted on the stand she has seen a little
bit of news coverage about the case, but she is
not familiar with exactly what happened here, and she is
testifying to give the jury an insight into why Cassie's
seen in this relationship for so long.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
We wait as justice and Foles in the courtroom, and
now we remember an American hero, police officer Demitris Johnson
thirty four, passed away in the line of duty. Lee's
behind wife turned widow Chosen and his two year old son,
American hero Demitrius Johnson.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend,
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