October 17, 2025 • 44 mins
Police arrest prominent New York architect Rex Heuerman in connection with the Gilgo Beach serial killings. Rex Heuerman,59, is charged in multiple deaths of women whose bodies were found buried. These include Melissa Barthelemy, Megan Waterman, and Amber Costello.
The women's remains were found along Gilgo Beach in Long Island within 500 feet of each other. However, investigators have found a total of eleven bodies but Heuerman is not charged in all. Seven so far. Heuermann claims he is innocent.
Now a judge rules that evidence collected through cutting-edge DNA technology will be admissible at his trial. Prosecutors say the DNA points directly at Rex Heuermann. The technology specializes in extracting nuclear DNA from damaged or hard-to-get samples, such as rootless hair, like those found on six of the victims.
Joining Nancy Grace Today:
- John Ray - Attorney for family of Shannan Gilbert
- Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst (Beverly Hills): Twitter: @DrBethanyLive
- Deputy Police Commissioner Anthony M. Carter - Suffolk County Police Department
- Joe Scott Morgan - Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University; Author, "Blood Beneath My Feet" and Host: "Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan;" Twitter: @JoScottForensic
- Todd G. Shipley, CFE, CFCE - Cyber crime expert, Author: “Investigating Internet Crimes: An Introduction to Solving Crimes in Cyberspace;" Twitter: @webcase
- Toby Wolson - Forensic Consultant Specializing in DNA, Serology and Bloodstain Pattern Analysis
- Kristin Thorne- Investigative Reporter for WABC Channel 7 Eyewitness News in New York, and Host of Hulu’s true-crime show, “Missing;" @KristinThorne on Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Threads, & LinkedIn
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Well, it's Friday night and it's time for a Friday
Night special, and let me tell you it's special. Rex
Huerman is accused of being the Long Island serial killer,
and in the last days a bombshell a Gilgo Beach case.
A bombshell blows up in the courtroom as the judge
(00:31):
issues a ruling on using DNA evidence at the accused
serial killers trial. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
I want to thank you for being with us. The
judge has ruled damning DNA evidence tying Rex Huerman to
the murders of multiple women whose remains found buried near
(00:54):
Gilgo Beach lined up like a cemetery, will be allowed
in trial. Repeat will be allowed in trial. This is
a major ruling. This is really the only way this
case can be proven. There are no eyewitnesses, there are
no confessions. We need that DNA to prove this case.
(01:16):
In a very brief court hearing, New York State Supreme
Court Justice Timothy Mazi rules the critical DNA evidence using
new DNA technology will be admissible. This is a major
blow to Hueman's defense.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
What exactly do we know about the murders.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Rex Hureman, very well respected architect, now behind bars in
the deaths of many women connected in time and location.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Of them sex workers, all.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Of them daughters, mothers, sisters, girlfriends.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
We've waited a long time for this day to come, for.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
The Long Island serial killer to be unmasked for the
devil that he is.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
I mean, I see Grace. This is Crime Stories.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation
and serious xem one to eleven.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Take a listen to this.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
It is one of the most baffling serial murder cases
in modern American history. Centered on this lonely stretch of
sand on the south shore.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Of Long Island, New York.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Gill Go be just a small community with a big
mystery on its hands. The bodies of fifteen brutally murdered
young women, and there seems to be a pattern, many
of them under five feet tall and less than one
hundred pounds, all dumped in the surrounding dune over a
period of twenty years.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
There's been some new developments in the Gilgo investigation. Last
night a little bit around a thirty PM in the
vicinity of thirty fifth and fifth Avenue in the city
members assigned to the Gilgo Beach Task Force did place
one individual under arrest.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
After years of searching and fear, years of true crime
hobbyists and their theories, pres did you do it? It
turned out the suspected Gilgo Beach killer was hiding in
plain sight the whole time. Fifty nine year old Rex Huerman,
a suburban husband, father of two, and cop say, is.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
A demon that walks among us, a predator that ruined families.
If not for the members of this task force.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
He will still be on the streets today, you darn Wright.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
If not for this newly formed task force instituted by
the new elected district Attorney, this guy would still be
walking free. And I guarantee you would still be killing.
And I've got facts to support that theory. You were
just hearing our friends at Crimewatch DLA, WABC seven and
the Suffolk County Police Commissioner Rodney Harrison with me an
(04:16):
all star panel. But first I want to go to
a special guest joining us, Anthony M.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Carter.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
This is the Deputy Police Commissioner in Suffolk County. Deputy
Commissioner Man, it's been a long time coming. I want
to hear your reaction to the arrest of a prominent architect,
a father husband.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
It's kind of hard.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
To believe, but you guys have known for some time
and keeping it on the down low what was happening,
because you had intel. This guy was watching the police's
every move. Yeah, it has.
Speaker 7 (04:52):
It's been for over a year now, something that we've
been working on, working on tirelessly, and it really you know,
it all began when Commissioner Harrison took office here at
the Saffa County Police Department and one of his top
priorities was the gilgle Beach Investigation. And he had a vision,
(05:15):
as you know, the former chief of Detectives of the NYPD,
former chief of department, and the experience that he had.
One of the things he knew is that we needed
to get a fresh look at case and we needed
to get our law enforcement partners involved. And Commissioner Harrison
(05:37):
created this task force called it the Gigle Beach Task Force,
and it comprised of investigators from the State Police, the
District Attorney's Office, the Sheriff's department.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
You know, you cut out on me right there for
a second, but I think you said the FBI and
in the past, before the Knee regime, there was a
lot of resistance to bring in the FBI. But when
you've got women dyeing and going missing and now all
these bodies turning up unsolved, Hey, you know what, I'm
happy for all the help I can get every single day.
(06:15):
So I just congratulate you and your Commissioner Harrison all
this arrest and it was a joint effort. And I
like that about you and your boss. You don't try
to hog the limelight or say it's all about you.
You really always give the credit to everyone involved.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
And you know, standing by right now, Kristin Thorn.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Is with me, very well known investigative reporter to be
ABC Channel seven eyewitness news host of Hulu's new crime
show Missing Kristin.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
It's great to.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Have you, and you have stood by you and I
both have plotted around there at the beach looking for clues,
trying to find answers.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Can you believe we finally got an arrest?
Speaker 2 (07:01):
And I gotta tell you, Kristin just in time because
this pos technical legal term was just caught on camera
at a cell phone store paying cash from what I
can tell for more burner phone minutes that's his MO.
You want to tell me this guy's out of business?
H E double Lno, he's still at it, Kristin.
Speaker 8 (07:24):
Yeah, Nancy, And I think that's what's really scary about
this entire situation and why law enforcement decided it was time. Look,
they wanted to have Maureen Brainerd Barnes included in this indictment,
and she is absolutely mentioned in this indictment.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
Well, who whoa, whoa whoa?
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Well, hold on, lady, back it up. You're going warped
four before we can get there. There's so many bodies.
But you often hear of the GILG four. Correct me
if I'm on, Kristin.
Speaker 9 (07:51):
But you are correct.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
The Gilgo four were all found in burlap bags, similarly
bound naked, having been sex assaulted, which really links them together.
Right now, This architect, this dad, this husband is charged
with six counts, three murders, three felony murder charges, three
(08:14):
second degree murder charges, three victims. But it's just a
matter of days, I believe, before he's charged with the fourth.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Then we got to deal with all the other dead bodies.
But you refer to a woman.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Brainerd Barnes, Marine, Brainerd Barnes, aged twenty five. He's the
prime suspect and she's number four, and then you'll go four.
Did I make that clear?
Speaker 10 (08:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Okay, go ahead, yes, And so the.
Speaker 8 (08:39):
Law enforcement knew that they had to get him now
because they were worried about what he may do next.
What he was looking on his phone.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
I mean, creepy dude, Christin, creepy dude.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
You know, my daughter and my son, they'll see they're
just fifteen. They'll see somebody and go, Okay, that's a
creepy dude right there. Tell us Kristen about this creepy
dude going up to a woman.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
In a park setting in the last.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Couple of months and completely scheving her out.
Speaker 8 (09:14):
He was walking around and she was in the woods
as a nice wooded park in massapeoplead Park and she
was walking around and he, as she says, came up
behind him and was asking about her boyfriend. And you
know he's a very big man.
Speaker 11 (09:28):
Six'.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Four, hey what do you put him? At Anthony?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Carter, Guys i'm speaking To Anthony, carter but he is
the deputy police. COMMISSIONER i, Mean i'm acting Like i'm
sitting here having a cup of coffee with this. Guy
he's been on this from the get, go since he
came in and they formed a new task.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Force how much does this guy? Way what'd you put him?
At two? Forty, YEAH i.
Speaker 7 (09:48):
Mean he's he's a very large. INDIVIDUAL i would definitely, say,
yeah right around, there around a two hundred and forty pound.
Mark very just very just an, oversized you, know very
large and you know, YEAH i MEAN i know everybody's
seen that YouTube, video you, know and where he's towering
over the person that's conducting the interview with.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Him, yeah nothing like, That Doctor Bethany.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Marshall to make your first move on a lady to
try to get the date is to sneak up behind
or at a park and start asking about her. Boyfriend
it reminds me Of Brian coberger crime stories With Nancy.
Grace in the last days In New York State Supreme
(10:35):
Court justice rules DAMNING DNA evid it's tying Rex hureman
to the murders of many women whose remains were found
Near Gilgo. Beach will come in to trial and just
think about.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
It these are the bodies we know. About are there other?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
BODIES i would be very surprised if there were Not
Bethany marshall with ME psychoanalystidt Of Beverly hills at Doctor
bethymarshall dot. Com coburger will go up to women at
bars and, go, hey what's your home address and phone?
Number of course the women would run as if they
had seen a monster rearing it suggly.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Head like this.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Guy you go up to a woman in a, park
sneak up behind her and, go, hey who's your?
Speaker 1 (11:21):
BOYFRIEND i would run.
Speaker 10 (11:23):
Anthy what it tells me is that he was constantly
trolling for, victims and as a part of trolling for,
victims he had this whole list of. QUESTIONS i mean
number one would, be, hey do you have a? Boyfriend
who's your? Boyfriend the reason for that is who is
he going to have to separate the woman. From does
(11:44):
she have? Family does she have people who's interested in?
Her and if, so it's going to make it more
difficult to kidnap sex assault. Her, secondly he's looking for
women who are quite short or petite women he can easily,
handle easily kidnap and transport from one area to. Another
and then he actually probably has many other aspects of
(12:07):
his victim profile that are going to come out during
the course of this, investigation especially as it pertains to
his online. Searches maybe under h, kids twinks was one
of the THINGS i, heard you, know, yes, hey, well what.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Was the last thing you?
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Said?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Twinks you need to tell everybody what that. Means.
Speaker 10 (12:23):
OKAY a twink is a young man who looks very,
feminine usually, underweight very, small and the old fashioned word
for them is. Twinks so that was one of his
victim profiles that he was looking for with these kinds
of young.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Men, hey, guys this includes, You Kristin, Thorn Toby, Wilson Todd,
Shipley Joe Scott, Morgan Deputy Commissioner, carter Doctor Bethany John,
ray the lawyer for the family Of Shannon. Gilbert she
may not be connected To, hureman we don't know that,
yet but it's because of her that all of these
(13:03):
bodies were. Found she's. Dead she was killed there On Long,
island AND i believe it hadn't been for her body being,
discovered we may never have found the other. Bodies that
said everybody jump in whenever you have a, thought but
you hear Doctor Bethany marshall correctly describing the fact of
(13:23):
These google searches we have just learned.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
About the, police of course knew about it with.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Me Todd, shipley cybercrime, expert author of Investigating internet. Crimes
you can find them at dark intail dot. Info todd
just follow, up please with what Doctor bethany just said
about this guy's Perverted google. Searches i'm sure you've seen, them, right.
Speaker 12 (13:47):
SURE i think what's important is the fact that that
was available once they identified the suspect and they were
able to go To google and subpoena and because they
did over three hundred subpoenas early, on so there's a
lot of information that we still don't know about. Yet
but once they started looking at this, guy was pretty
evident that he was the, one because the searches were
(14:08):
evident looking for information about the. Case he was trying
to find out what the law enforcement agencies knew about
him and what they were divulging online and how much
information was, there and he was doing you, know his
dating and all the other things that go along with
what was. Happening so it was pretty, apparent you, know
once they started looking at his, searches that this was
(14:29):
a person of interest work for them And it's pretty
telling that there's that much information about us when we
start thinking about you, know evidence online and what we.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Do you know what guess perfectly.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Put but IF i were putting this to a, Jury
i'd say something more like blonde girl crying being, raped
black slave girl being, Raped america's five mastatorial old. T
why Hasn't Long island serial killer been? Caught why could
(15:05):
law enforcement not trace calls made By Long island serial?
Speaker 1 (15:08):
KILLER i, mean who would know to ask that.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Particular question except for The Long island serial killer. EXACTLY
i mean WHEN i would think about The Long island serial,
KILLER i would have so many, thoughts so many. Questions
BUT i didn't know at the time because people Like
Deputy Commissioner Anthony carter kept it so secret as he should.
HAVE i didn't know about the use of burner. Phones
(15:34):
well somebody. Did this guy was looking up why can't
they trace his burner?
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Phones?
Speaker 12 (15:39):
NO i mean that's specifically what they ended up doing
is if you look at how they started pieces, together
which was brilliant by the agents that were involved and.
Officers they started to find those pieces and they started
to relate to proving the negative who was around those
burner phones when they had the geolocations that they had
from ten years, ago and so the fact they went
(16:02):
back and looked at all that evidence and started to
prove that the target was close, by you, know those
same phone, calls was a brilliant move to prove that
he did. It and then they were able to go
back after you, know his phones himself and starting to
look at what's. There, now what's going to be interesting
too is the digital evedents that they find in the
search of his. HOUSE i can't wait to see what
they found in his computer because that's going to be telling.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Too other, searches AND i want to go To John,
ray the family lawyer for Victim Shannon. GILBERT i know
That shannon's family has been, tortured especially when they see
this guy's, searches which say things like blonde haired, girl,
young depressed teen, girl oiled, bodies nude slave. GIRLS i
(16:51):
had to leave out some of this because EVEN i
wouldn't say it blank shot and, crying porn, girl, hogtied torture,
porn skinny, redhead tied up, porn, short fat, girl tied, up,
porn tied up and, raped porn as Doctor bethany poor
(17:11):
in it, Out asian, twink tied, up, porn tied slave force, Feday.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
I'm not gonna finish that.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
ONE i, mean teen girl begging for, rape, porn pretty
girl with bruised, face. Porn my mouth feels. FILTHY i
need to go wash it out with. Soap this was
what is.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
On His google. Searches John.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Ray Now shannon's family has to read this and only
imagine What shannon may have or the other victims put up,
with what they, endured what they lived through before they.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
DIED i want to.
Speaker 11 (17:48):
VOMIT i can plame, everybody DOES i think this, monster
this giant, monster WHO i characterize As Tyrannosaurus, rex his
image is now frozen in the minds of The gilbert.
Family AND i also Represent Jessica taylor's family and the
Same they have the same.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Reaction twenty year Old Jessica taylor also found there along the.
Speaker 11 (18:14):
Beach go, ahead, Yeah and these families haven't this image
now that's frozen in their, mind that he is a.
Killer there's no way to be sure that he had
anything to do With Shannon gilbert at this. Point we're
looking hard at. That but as we, speak but you,
know just the image itself of what, happened and when
(18:35):
you take what we do know of what happened To
shannon that the, night that early morning that she, disappeared
we know that she was under a threat from somebody like,
him either he himself or somebody like, him and there
is probably more than one of.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Them but.
Speaker 11 (18:56):
We're still very optimistic now and delighted That Ray tiern
needed a district attorney And Rodney, harrison the police, commissioner
finally may put together the agencies that weren't working together
so that this can be. Done so we're looking. Forward
we think that is a really good chance That Taranosaurus
(19:16):
rex killed the others as, well because he was a,
hunter and, hunters he was a proficient. Hunter they have
tools and they take apart their, animals so he's certainly
capable of having dismembered these others that are.
Speaker 9 (19:30):
There, so of.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Course and you know another, Issue Kristin thorn joining, me
investigative reporter to THE abc star Of hulu's true crime,
Show Missing. Kristin just because he ran out of burrow at, Bags,
okay that does not mean he's not connected to all
the other. Bodies And i'm telling, You, kristin there are more.
Victims there are more, victims.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
You, Know.
Speaker 8 (19:55):
NANCY i think what concerns me and what has kept
me up at night the last few day since this,
happened is not, necessarily of, course the remains that are
still left to the six other remains there Along Ocean
parkway On Long, Island but it's the women we haven't
heard about, yet, Right, so in some of the Cases
i've covered in my, SHOW i had some, concerns AND
(20:15):
i do hope that they will be using some of
THE dna evidence that they have to look at some
of these other women who have disappeared in The Tri state,
area WHO i believe in their family believes were victims of,
violence one in, particular who was worked in the same
line of work as the other. Women and so that's
(20:35):
what concerns. Me who is out there the women or anybody,
else because we haven't yet identified his, profile right we
know about The Gilg, war but we don't know who
else he may have been interested in killing or where
his interest quote unquote.
Speaker 9 (20:52):
Lie CAN i make a.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Comment about, that, Yeah, Japan BUT i need to go
To Anthony carter about what they're doing right. Now hold
on just a, Moment Deputy Commissioner, CARTER i pray To
god In heaven that this new task, force And i'm
sure you're not going to tell, me is comparing HIS
dna to every OTHER dna that's been found in let's
(21:15):
just say The Tri state, area because once these bodies were,
discovered you, know he found another dumping, ground all, right
comparing HIS dna looking at who Else he's been calling
on his, many, many many burner phones and figuring out
where he was seen in That chevy, avalanche WHICH i
(21:37):
want to ask, You Deputy. COMMISSIONER i happen to know
that the avalanche discontinued manufacturer in twenty. Thirteen yet here's
an avalanche part outside his, PLACE i believe a relative's.
Place an avalanche was seen at one of the victims'.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Homes let me THINK i believe it Was Amber. Costello
long story.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
SHORT i can go on and on and on About,
wow here's the avalanche part outside his, home a few
miles away from where the bodies are, found and a
witness place is an avalanche at one of the victims'.
Homes how come it took so? Long but that is
something for me to chew apart on another. Day JUST
i want to know that HIS dna is being compared
(22:23):
to OTHER, dna especially in That tri state.
Speaker 7 (22:25):
Area, no and that's a great that's a great. Question
and the one thing that maybe some some out there
may think that you, know the arrest was, made we
arrested this subject that the task force has you, know
concluded their investigation and is going to go ahead and
just look At. Rex the the, investigation the task force
(22:50):
is going to remain intact and they are going to
continue gathering evidence in both With rex and The Go
Go beach investigation is far from Overt And, Okay i'm going.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
To take that as a. Yes even though you're not saying,
Yes i'm taking.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
It as a.
Speaker 7 (23:08):
Yes you say to examine every piece of. Evidence that's, right,
though absolutely.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Speaking of every piece of, evidence let's take a look at.
It we can talk about them that all the women,
work many of them contacted On. Craigslist they were sex.
Workers they were found dead in the same. Way physical
similarities all these four putt In burlett bags disposed of
on a lonely stretch of beach about twenty plus minutes
(23:33):
away from his home At Massapaker. Park but what about
the evidence the heart Evidents take a listen to our
cut three g our friends AT abc.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
Seven prosecutors say the smoking gun was a pizza. Crust
police dug Through hureman's, trash MATCHING dna from a partially
eaten slice to previously unidentified hairs found on three of
The gilgo. Victims today they Booked heureman on murder, chargers
accused in the deaths Of Melissa, barthell Me Megan, waterman
And Amber Lynn. Costello and he's a prime suspect in
(24:04):
the death of a fourth, Marine Brainerd.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Barnes, okay let's talk about the HARD dna.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Evidence evidence from a.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Hair one of those hairs was found at the bottom
of one of the burlat bags that one of the
victims were discarded.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
In, also, apparently and correct me If i'm, wrong jump.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
On At Kirsten, thorn three victims had the defendant's wife's
hair on, them obviously a transfer from her to him
and from him onto the. Victim so that's at least
four pieces.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
OF dna that we know.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Of then one of the victims was tied up with
a leather, belt hopefully MAYBE dna TOUCH dna was taken
off of.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
That AM i missing ANY? Dna, Kristen, no that sounds,
Okay that is absolutely.
Speaker 8 (24:59):
Correct BUT i would love to talk about the wife's.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Hair, sure Because i've got a professor of forensics with
me and a for forensic consultant specializing IN dna waiting
to jump on this because this this is going to
get him in addition to all of the circumstantial. Evidence tell, Me, kristen.
Speaker 8 (25:20):
Here's my, question AND i would love to hear from, You,
nancy and from your experts to, me finding the wife's
hair on one victim would have been interesting to find
it on. Three i'm trying to, actually you, know when
you try to, think.
Speaker 10 (25:37):
How does this?
Speaker 8 (25:39):
Happen how does the wife's hair end up on it each?
Time and, AGAIN i am not implying anything about. Her
i'm trying to actually go through how this. Happened does
anybody have any thoughts on?
Speaker 1 (25:54):
THAT i got a, thought But i'll bring in the
experts a. Transfer just like.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Just a few minutes, ago right before we went to,
air my co Worker sydney handed me a big stack
of papers to go through about three minutes before we,
started and she leaned over me with her long blonde
hair AND i. TURNED i guarantee you some piece of
hair or some something brushed up against my jacket and it's.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
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Speaker 2 (26:26):
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Speaker 10 (26:30):
With?
Speaker 1 (26:30):
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Speaker 2 (26:32):
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Speaker 1 (26:41):
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Speaker 2 (26:44):
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Speaker 1 (26:53):
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Speaker 4 (26:55):
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Speaker 2 (27:07):
Applies tell, It Joe, scott preach. It preach, it, father
because this tie is.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Going down because of THIS. Dna and WHEN i.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Think of these computer, searches at him acting out those, horrible,
horrible evil computer, searches all these ladies to hell with. Him,
NOW i got to figure out a way to prove.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
It hit.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
It let me give you a hellscape, here AND i
think that it exists in that. House and this is
my supposition. Here you, know we were speaking just a
moment ago about the transfer of the wife's. Hair you
know you Mentioned sydney in the. Studio what space do
you guys, share probably on a daily basis when you're
laying down sound it's in that, studio, Okay so within
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that environment you kind of coexist in that. ENVIRONMENT i
am very, Curious, nancy relative to the accused where any
of these victims brought back to this.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Home that's such a good, Idea Joe, scott because you
Remember Joe scott many of these and jump In Anthony,
Carter Deputy, commissioner And Kristen thorn because you may know
better Than Joe scott AND i many of these murders
occurred while his wife was, gone and she has very distinct.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Hair she Is, icelandic so HER dna is going to
be very.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Identifiable and this is MITOCHONDRIAL, dna which comes from your mother.
Only so anybody jump in with a thought In, BETHANY
i Promise i'm circling.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Back this Is.
Speaker 9 (28:39):
Toby first of, all the HAIR i was A freensic
hair examiner for a share. Time, also the average person
that has hair loses about one hundred hairs at a day,
Randomly so the hair connection on just the one pert
victim would be, coincident could be yelled called. Incidents on three,
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victims it becomes more of a. Pattern but the locations
of the hair is because of. That if she rode
in the, avalanche if it was on his, clothing if
he took any of the victims, home all those are
reasonable explanations for where the hair is that THE dna
was done on came from because of the fact that
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we lose hair so, easily so that, connection you, know
is more open to. Interpretation where you come, from it's
very probable because he transported, them or may have transported
them in the, avalanche that the hairs were on him
or in that vehicle and that's where the transfer. Occurred
(29:43):
or if the you, know if the fur loot bags
came from his, home they could have been transferred. There
but hair transfers are a common, thing and you know
there it makes it harder to interpret what's going. On
because of how common it.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Is BUT i agree with.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
You you're Hearing Toby wolves and forends that consult at
specializing IN dna erology bloodstain at No Slow forensic Dot. Com,
well he's, right of, Course Joe Scott. Morgan but three,
hairs As Kristen thorn pointed, out each one on a different.
(30:19):
VICTIM i want to explore your theory that these victims
may have been taken to his. HOME i, mean when
you've got three hairs on three different, victims the only
thing the defense can do now is AN aja defense
it was. PLANTED i, mean let me hear your, Theory Joe.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Scott, well this.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Is one thing That i'm very encouraged by and that
thieves folks are, doing is THAT i saw these images
on the news of the, police the investigators going in
and out of that home And. NANCY i hope they
retain this place and take it down to the damn,
studs that everything that they can harvest out of that
environment from an evidentiary standpoint is to be. Acquired here's
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one more, thing And i'll be.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
QUIET i don't want you to be. QUIET i love
everything you're.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Saying it's something that really sent a chill up up my.
Spine and maybe it's, maybe maybe it's a wild goose,
chase but this one. VICTIM i was looking at this
charging document that's mentioned The Mari Miss Marine Brainer, barnes
and one thing that kind of sent a chill up
my spine was that this burner phone that the accused,
had or that he is alleged to have, had had
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contacts With marine's phone sixteen Times nancy over a period
of time From july to sixth Or july the. Ninth,
okay they have her phone finally dropping off the face
for a, while and there's like a couple of days
lag in. There but then here's the chilling. Part he
(31:50):
apparently the perpetrator opened her phone up again and began
to check her. Messages let me ask you, Something, nancy
would you just blindly give without any kind of fighting.
Back would you give somebody the code to your cell
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phone to check your? MESSAGES i, MEAN i KNOW i.
WOULDN'T i don't know about the other folks on the,
Panel but how did he get that information from her
in order to get in to her voicemail to check?
It if that is? True what they're a legend and
that to me is. Chilling that to me shows that
he may have been in control of that person in.
(32:34):
Particular about the rest of, THEM i have no.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Idea, well all you've got to do is look at
His google Searches Joe scott and figure AND i can tell.
YOU i mean he looks up a hog time raping.
Woman obviously he is fixated on. TORTURE i, Mean Dr Bethany,
marshall you don't see that kind Of google search every.
(32:56):
Day And i've looked at plenty of people's computers in their.
Speaker 10 (32:59):
Searches you, know absolutely. Not and to frame our, discussion
if you think of this guy as a combination of
an obsessive sex addict who thrives off power and inflicting
pain in order to enhance his sexual, arousal his victim
profile is going to keep changing if he goes to
(33:21):
more and more extreme types of pornography and more different
types of victims in order to enhance his sexual. Arousal
so maybe he starts with someone with it in his own,
race an age. Mate then he goes to a younger,
person than a smaller, person than a bigger, person than a,
man than a, woman than a, child and SO i
think that the complication and why the investigation is going
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to have to focus so much on the data and
the science is this guy is going to find anything
in order to increase his sexual, arousal and not just
finding different, victims but stocking, them toying with, them perhaps
taking them back to his. House this is not a
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one and done kind of guy where maybe someone looks at, pornography,
masturbates closes the. Computer this is a guy who's going
to get as much sexual satisfaction out of any one
victim as. Possible so it's multiple assaults against one victim
over an extended period.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Of, time which goes back To Joe Scott morgan's theory
that some of the victims may have been taken to
the home because an extended period of time assault probably
would not take place in a. Vehicle The Chevy avalanche.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Crime stories With Nancy.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Grace this BOMBSHELL dna ruling comes after a series of
fry hearings where the state and the defense argued over
a new method of ANALYZING dna used to Link, hureman
the architect and married, father to the murders of seven.
(35:08):
Women it's an advanced NUCLEAR dna test carried out by
A california based, Lab Astrio, forensics and it identified hairs
on six of the seven victims as belonging To hureman's
now ex, Wife Asa, ellerup their Daughter Victoria, hueman and
(35:32):
another person connected to the suspected serial. Killer the defense
argued the technique should be excluded because it had never
been used In New. York the state, responded is being
used widely across our. Country maybe not here In New,
york but all across the. Country it's been used and
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it is accepted by the scientific. Community of, Course huremans
sat there and gave no. REACTION i wonder if while
the defense and prosecution argue ABOUT dna evidence found on the,
bodies if he's actually thinking about the bodies and how
they got buried At Gilgo. Beach Deputy, COMMISSIONER i don't
(36:15):
know if you can comment on, this but can you
describe how HIS.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Dna was obtained off a pizza crust during?
Speaker 7 (36:23):
Surveillance you, know he was being observed and there was
an opportunity where he had discarded A i guess like
a small personal pizza box into a garbage in the,
city and our undercovers were able to retrieve that, box
(36:44):
and just to go back on a point to you,
know whether you know his home may have been involved
in the location of the. Homicides the one thing that
we can say is that it's not a coincidence that
his wife and family were away in three of the.
(37:06):
Murders and we're taking you, know LIKE i, said active.
Investigation we're at the. HOME i think somebody had mentioned
on the call here that we're taking the. House we
should take the, house AND i think that is the
plan to get every piece of evidence that we can
(37:27):
possibly get while we're inside of that home with.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Me Deputy Commissioner Anthony carter From Suffolk County, POLICE.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
I had to tell you, Something Deputy.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Commissioner i'm the first one to scream when police screw
up an investigation because it hurts me as a former
prosecutor and a crime victim. Myself BUT i am so
impressed with your surveillance of, hereman your identification of. HIM
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i know it's been a long time, coming but this
is a FRESH humma side task. Force this is a
whole new look because this case was ignored by prior.
Administrations you guys come in there like a barn on.
Fire you find this, guy you surveil, him you really
look at the. Evidence then you catch him discarding a
(38:17):
pizza crust and get HIS dna which matches up to OTHER.
Dna you get his WIFE'S. Dna do we have any?
Idea can you comment on how you did? That Deputy?
Speaker 7 (38:31):
Commissioner so the, same you, know same methodology in trying
to obtain abandon. Examples you, know very similar fashion where
we were able to obtain recycled cans from their, look you,
know from where they.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Live so that's how you got the WIFE'S. Dna that's.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Correct, wow there's so MUCH i hardly know which way to.
Go but let me understand, Something Kristin. Thorne anybody on
the panel and knows the answer to this the Way
i'm reading the affidavit and other, information was this idiot
actually traveling with a burner phone and his own private
mobile phone together Like. Kyburger you know you can see
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him traveling away from the crime.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Scene did that? Happen does anybody? Know, well we know that.
Speaker 8 (39:19):
They certainly there. Are they certainly tracked the burner phones
relationship and location Near Massapequa park as well as his midcount,
office and they called that the. Box that was the
point that they used to.
Speaker 13 (39:35):
Triangulate although in that word it would be three, sides
but the box would be four to really you, know
pinpoint that his, locations where he, was where he, lives
where he, worked were also coordinating with the hits from
these burner.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Phones, okay break that down, too regular people.
Speaker 12 (39:54):
Talk this is Todd SO i think what significance is
what you're, saying and what they alleged in the core
documents is that they found no instance where the suspect
was in a separate location from the other cell phones
when the communications occurred when he was talking to them
from the burner, phones and so at that significant that
they tied them together from Those hoteller, records that his
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phone was there and the burner phone was. There in
instances outside of the, calls his, phone you, know was not.
There so it's pretty.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Significant, okay that is entirely significant To anthony Carter, fly police.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Commissioner what do you make of that?
Speaker 7 (40:33):
Theory, so you, KNOW i think when we talk about
some of the locations that we talked, about you, know
the burner phones versus his, phone and trying to tie
that all, IN i think it was you, know it
was challenging because we, look we're looking in an area
of over fifteen hundred homes that also included a portion
(40:53):
of The Massapeaker, preserve and that also then opens up
which are hitting those cell towers to people that may
or may not even live In, massapequa may or may
not even live IN Nasa. County SO i mean that
is one of the things behind the exhaustive effort committed
(41:14):
by the members and the Task force to try to
drill down and get the right information and the right
evidence to you, know move us forward in the.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Case Christen thorn W Abc channel, seven what can you
tell me about recent revelations of a storage unit a?
Speaker 10 (41:32):
Search so we know that.
Speaker 8 (41:34):
There's an active investigation right now around a storage unit
On Long, island and for all we know and we
believe that it is connected to this. Investigation you, KNOW
i think what they're going to be looking. For AND
i also noticed in the indictment and we talk about
his house and how they do need to and are
going to tear apart that, house there were items missing
(41:56):
from the, victims so, jewelry some pieces of, clothes those
are things that would probably be familiar to the family
that the family told them she used to always wear this,
necklace this. Bracelet that's very common we, find and so
those things were, missing and so those are the things
that they're going to be looking for in the house
and in this potential storage.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Unit this is rapidly, developing but for right, Now Asa,
ellerup the ex, wife continues to Insist hueman her husband is.
Innocent she sat in the public, gallery flanked by her
own fleet of attorneys and quickly flounced out of the
courtroom when the hearing came to an. End the daughter
(42:39):
Of victoria was. Absent now remember some of her hairs
that are found on the dead. Bodies wonder how that went.
Down who wants to know their hair is on multiple
dead bodies buried On Gilgo. Beach in a linking Rex
(42:59):
hueman to the dead bodies At Gilgo, beach seven dead
bodies that we know of will be. Allowed, interesting it's
not his, hair it's his wife and his daughter's hair
found on the dead. Bodies that tells me a. Lot
that tells me the women were there in the, home
(43:20):
possibly when they were raped and murdered or stored there
before they were. Disposed this is a major bombshell for
the state in this, case a major ruling for the.
State can the state prove the? Case will THE dna be?
Enough the staggering number of bodies found is going to
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overwhelm any.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Jurar but it's the, truth and you cannot hide the
truth from a. Jury we wait as justice.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Unfolds goodbye, friend
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Well, it's Friday night and it's time for a Friday
Night special, and let me tell you it's special. Rex
Huerman is accused of being the Long Island serial killer,
and in the last days a bombshell a Gilgo Beach case.
A bombshell blows up in the courtroom as the judge
(00:31):
issues a ruling on using DNA evidence at the accused
serial killers trial. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
I want to thank you for being with us. The
judge has ruled damning DNA evidence tying Rex Huerman to
the murders of multiple women whose remains found buried near
(00:54):
Gilgo Beach lined up like a cemetery, will be allowed
in trial. Repeat will be allowed in trial. This is
a major ruling. This is really the only way this
case can be proven. There are no eyewitnesses, there are
no confessions. We need that DNA to prove this case.
(01:16):
In a very brief court hearing, New York State Supreme
Court Justice Timothy Mazi rules the critical DNA evidence using
new DNA technology will be admissible. This is a major
blow to Hueman's defense.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
What exactly do we know about the murders.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Rex Hureman, very well respected architect, now behind bars in
the deaths of many women connected in time and location.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Of them sex workers, all.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Of them daughters, mothers, sisters, girlfriends.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
We've waited a long time for this day to come, for.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
The Long Island serial killer to be unmasked for the
devil that he is.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
I mean, I see Grace. This is Crime Stories.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation
and serious xem one to eleven.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Take a listen to this.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
It is one of the most baffling serial murder cases
in modern American history. Centered on this lonely stretch of
sand on the south shore.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Of Long Island, New York.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Gill Go be just a small community with a big
mystery on its hands. The bodies of fifteen brutally murdered
young women, and there seems to be a pattern, many
of them under five feet tall and less than one
hundred pounds, all dumped in the surrounding dune over a
period of twenty years.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
There's been some new developments in the Gilgo investigation. Last
night a little bit around a thirty PM in the
vicinity of thirty fifth and fifth Avenue in the city
members assigned to the Gilgo Beach Task Force did place
one individual under arrest.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
After years of searching and fear, years of true crime
hobbyists and their theories, pres did you do it? It
turned out the suspected Gilgo Beach killer was hiding in
plain sight the whole time. Fifty nine year old Rex Huerman,
a suburban husband, father of two, and cop say, is.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
A demon that walks among us, a predator that ruined families.
If not for the members of this task force.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
He will still be on the streets today, you darn Wright.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
If not for this newly formed task force instituted by
the new elected district Attorney, this guy would still be
walking free. And I guarantee you would still be killing.
And I've got facts to support that theory. You were
just hearing our friends at Crimewatch DLA, WABC seven and
the Suffolk County Police Commissioner Rodney Harrison with me an
(04:16):
all star panel. But first I want to go to
a special guest joining us, Anthony M.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Carter.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
This is the Deputy Police Commissioner in Suffolk County. Deputy
Commissioner Man, it's been a long time coming. I want
to hear your reaction to the arrest of a prominent architect,
a father husband.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
It's kind of hard.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
To believe, but you guys have known for some time
and keeping it on the down low what was happening,
because you had intel. This guy was watching the police's
every move. Yeah, it has.
Speaker 7 (04:52):
It's been for over a year now, something that we've
been working on, working on tirelessly, and it really you know,
it all began when Commissioner Harrison took office here at
the Saffa County Police Department and one of his top
priorities was the gilgle Beach Investigation. And he had a vision,
(05:15):
as you know, the former chief of Detectives of the NYPD,
former chief of department, and the experience that he had.
One of the things he knew is that we needed
to get a fresh look at case and we needed
to get our law enforcement partners involved. And Commissioner Harrison
(05:37):
created this task force called it the Gigle Beach Task Force,
and it comprised of investigators from the State Police, the
District Attorney's Office, the Sheriff's department.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
You know, you cut out on me right there for
a second, but I think you said the FBI and
in the past, before the Knee regime, there was a
lot of resistance to bring in the FBI. But when
you've got women dyeing and going missing and now all
these bodies turning up unsolved, Hey, you know what, I'm
happy for all the help I can get every single day.
(06:15):
So I just congratulate you and your Commissioner Harrison all
this arrest and it was a joint effort. And I
like that about you and your boss. You don't try
to hog the limelight or say it's all about you.
You really always give the credit to everyone involved.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
And you know, standing by right now, Kristin Thorn.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Is with me, very well known investigative reporter to be
ABC Channel seven eyewitness news host of Hulu's new crime
show Missing Kristin.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
It's great to.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Have you, and you have stood by you and I
both have plotted around there at the beach looking for clues,
trying to find answers.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Can you believe we finally got an arrest?
Speaker 2 (07:01):
And I gotta tell you, Kristin just in time because
this pos technical legal term was just caught on camera
at a cell phone store paying cash from what I
can tell for more burner phone minutes that's his MO.
You want to tell me this guy's out of business?
H E double Lno, he's still at it, Kristin.
Speaker 8 (07:24):
Yeah, Nancy, And I think that's what's really scary about
this entire situation and why law enforcement decided it was time. Look,
they wanted to have Maureen Brainerd Barnes included in this indictment,
and she is absolutely mentioned in this indictment.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
Well, who whoa, whoa whoa?
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Well, hold on, lady, back it up. You're going warped
four before we can get there. There's so many bodies.
But you often hear of the GILG four. Correct me
if I'm on, Kristin.
Speaker 9 (07:51):
But you are correct.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
The Gilgo four were all found in burlap bags, similarly
bound naked, having been sex assaulted, which really links them together.
Right now, This architect, this dad, this husband is charged
with six counts, three murders, three felony murder charges, three
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second degree murder charges, three victims. But it's just a
matter of days, I believe, before he's charged with the fourth.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Then we got to deal with all the other dead bodies.
But you refer to a woman.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Brainerd Barnes, Marine, Brainerd Barnes, aged twenty five. He's the
prime suspect and she's number four, and then you'll go four.
Did I make that clear?
Speaker 10 (08:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Okay, go ahead, yes, And so the.
Speaker 8 (08:39):
Law enforcement knew that they had to get him now
because they were worried about what he may do next.
What he was looking on his phone.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
I mean, creepy dude, Christin, creepy dude.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
You know, my daughter and my son, they'll see they're
just fifteen. They'll see somebody and go, Okay, that's a
creepy dude right there. Tell us Kristen about this creepy
dude going up to a woman.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
In a park setting in the last.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Couple of months and completely scheving her out.
Speaker 8 (09:14):
He was walking around and she was in the woods
as a nice wooded park in massapeoplead Park and she
was walking around and he, as she says, came up
behind him and was asking about her boyfriend. And you
know he's a very big man.
Speaker 11 (09:28):
Six'.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Four, hey what do you put him? At Anthony?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Carter, Guys i'm speaking To Anthony, carter but he is
the deputy police. COMMISSIONER i, Mean i'm acting Like i'm
sitting here having a cup of coffee with this. Guy
he's been on this from the get, go since he
came in and they formed a new task.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Force how much does this guy? Way what'd you put him?
At two? Forty, YEAH i.
Speaker 7 (09:48):
Mean he's he's a very large. INDIVIDUAL i would definitely, say,
yeah right around, there around a two hundred and forty pound.
Mark very just very just an, oversized you, know very
large and you know, YEAH i MEAN i know everybody's
seen that YouTube, video you, know and where he's towering
over the person that's conducting the interview with.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Him, yeah nothing like, That Doctor Bethany.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Marshall to make your first move on a lady to
try to get the date is to sneak up behind
or at a park and start asking about her. Boyfriend
it reminds me Of Brian coberger crime stories With Nancy.
Grace in the last days In New York State Supreme
(10:35):
Court justice rules DAMNING DNA evid it's tying Rex hureman
to the murders of many women whose remains were found
Near Gilgo. Beach will come in to trial and just
think about.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
It these are the bodies we know. About are there other?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
BODIES i would be very surprised if there were Not
Bethany marshall with ME psychoanalystidt Of Beverly hills at Doctor
bethymarshall dot. Com coburger will go up to women at
bars and, go, hey what's your home address and phone?
Number of course the women would run as if they
had seen a monster rearing it suggly.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Head like this.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Guy you go up to a woman in a, park
sneak up behind her and, go, hey who's your?
Speaker 1 (11:21):
BOYFRIEND i would run.
Speaker 10 (11:23):
Anthy what it tells me is that he was constantly
trolling for, victims and as a part of trolling for,
victims he had this whole list of. QUESTIONS i mean
number one would, be, hey do you have a? Boyfriend
who's your? Boyfriend the reason for that is who is
he going to have to separate the woman. From does
(11:44):
she have? Family does she have people who's interested in?
Her and if, so it's going to make it more
difficult to kidnap sex assault. Her, secondly he's looking for
women who are quite short or petite women he can easily,
handle easily kidnap and transport from one area to. Another
and then he actually probably has many other aspects of
(12:07):
his victim profile that are going to come out during
the course of this, investigation especially as it pertains to
his online. Searches maybe under h, kids twinks was one
of the THINGS i, heard you, know, yes, hey, well what.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Was the last thing you?
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Said?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Twinks you need to tell everybody what that. Means.
Speaker 10 (12:23):
OKAY a twink is a young man who looks very,
feminine usually, underweight very, small and the old fashioned word
for them is. Twinks so that was one of his
victim profiles that he was looking for with these kinds
of young.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Men, hey, guys this includes, You Kristin, Thorn Toby, Wilson Todd,
Shipley Joe Scott, Morgan Deputy Commissioner, carter Doctor Bethany John,
ray the lawyer for the family Of Shannon. Gilbert she
may not be connected To, hureman we don't know that,
yet but it's because of her that all of these
(13:03):
bodies were. Found she's. Dead she was killed there On Long,
island AND i believe it hadn't been for her body being,
discovered we may never have found the other. Bodies that
said everybody jump in whenever you have a, thought but
you hear Doctor Bethany marshall correctly describing the fact of
(13:23):
These google searches we have just learned.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
About the, police of course knew about it with.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Me Todd, shipley cybercrime, expert author of Investigating internet. Crimes
you can find them at dark intail dot. Info todd
just follow, up please with what Doctor bethany just said
about this guy's Perverted google. Searches i'm sure you've seen, them, right.
Speaker 12 (13:47):
SURE i think what's important is the fact that that
was available once they identified the suspect and they were
able to go To google and subpoena and because they
did over three hundred subpoenas early, on so there's a
lot of information that we still don't know about. Yet
but once they started looking at this, guy was pretty
evident that he was the, one because the searches were
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evident looking for information about the. Case he was trying
to find out what the law enforcement agencies knew about
him and what they were divulging online and how much
information was, there and he was doing you, know his
dating and all the other things that go along with
what was. Happening so it was pretty, apparent you, know
once they started looking at his, searches that this was
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a person of interest work for them And it's pretty
telling that there's that much information about us when we
start thinking about you, know evidence online and what we.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Do you know what guess perfectly.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Put but IF i were putting this to a, Jury
i'd say something more like blonde girl crying being, raped
black slave girl being, Raped america's five mastatorial old. T
why Hasn't Long island serial killer been? Caught why could
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law enforcement not trace calls made By Long island serial?
Speaker 1 (15:08):
KILLER i, mean who would know to ask that.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Particular question except for The Long island serial killer. EXACTLY
i mean WHEN i would think about The Long island serial,
KILLER i would have so many, thoughts so many. Questions
BUT i didn't know at the time because people Like
Deputy Commissioner Anthony carter kept it so secret as he should.
HAVE i didn't know about the use of burner. Phones
(15:34):
well somebody. Did this guy was looking up why can't
they trace his burner?
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Phones?
Speaker 12 (15:39):
NO i mean that's specifically what they ended up doing
is if you look at how they started pieces, together
which was brilliant by the agents that were involved and.
Officers they started to find those pieces and they started
to relate to proving the negative who was around those
burner phones when they had the geolocations that they had
from ten years, ago and so the fact they went
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back and looked at all that evidence and started to
prove that the target was close, by you, know those
same phone, calls was a brilliant move to prove that
he did. It and then they were able to go
back after you, know his phones himself and starting to
look at what's. There, now what's going to be interesting
too is the digital evedents that they find in the
search of his. HOUSE i can't wait to see what
they found in his computer because that's going to be telling.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Too other, searches AND i want to go To John,
ray the family lawyer for Victim Shannon. GILBERT i know
That shannon's family has been, tortured especially when they see
this guy's, searches which say things like blonde haired, girl,
young depressed teen, girl oiled, bodies nude slave. GIRLS i
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had to leave out some of this because EVEN i
wouldn't say it blank shot and, crying porn, girl, hogtied torture,
porn skinny, redhead tied up, porn, short fat, girl tied, up,
porn tied up and, raped porn as Doctor bethany poor
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in it, Out asian, twink tied, up, porn tied slave force, Feday.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
I'm not gonna finish that.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
ONE i, mean teen girl begging for, rape, porn pretty
girl with bruised, face. Porn my mouth feels. FILTHY i
need to go wash it out with. Soap this was
what is.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
On His google. Searches John.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Ray Now shannon's family has to read this and only
imagine What shannon may have or the other victims put up,
with what they, endured what they lived through before they.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
DIED i want to.
Speaker 11 (17:48):
VOMIT i can plame, everybody DOES i think this, monster
this giant, monster WHO i characterize As Tyrannosaurus, rex his
image is now frozen in the minds of The gilbert.
Family AND i also Represent Jessica taylor's family and the
Same they have the same.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Reaction twenty year Old Jessica taylor also found there along the.
Speaker 11 (18:14):
Beach go, ahead, Yeah and these families haven't this image
now that's frozen in their, mind that he is a.
Killer there's no way to be sure that he had
anything to do With Shannon gilbert at this. Point we're
looking hard at. That but as we, speak but you,
know just the image itself of what, happened and when
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you take what we do know of what happened To
shannon that the, night that early morning that she, disappeared
we know that she was under a threat from somebody like,
him either he himself or somebody like, him and there
is probably more than one of.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Them but.
Speaker 11 (18:56):
We're still very optimistic now and delighted That Ray tiern
needed a district attorney And Rodney, harrison the police, commissioner
finally may put together the agencies that weren't working together
so that this can be. Done so we're looking. Forward
we think that is a really good chance That Taranosaurus
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rex killed the others as, well because he was a,
hunter and, hunters he was a proficient. Hunter they have
tools and they take apart their, animals so he's certainly
capable of having dismembered these others that are.
Speaker 9 (19:30):
There, so of.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Course and you know another, Issue Kristin thorn joining, me
investigative reporter to THE abc star Of hulu's true crime,
Show Missing. Kristin just because he ran out of burrow at, Bags,
okay that does not mean he's not connected to all
the other. Bodies And i'm telling, You, kristin there are more.
Victims there are more, victims.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
You, Know.
Speaker 8 (19:55):
NANCY i think what concerns me and what has kept
me up at night the last few day since this,
happened is not, necessarily of, course the remains that are
still left to the six other remains there Along Ocean
parkway On Long, Island but it's the women we haven't
heard about, yet, Right, so in some of the Cases
i've covered in my, SHOW i had some, concerns AND
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i do hope that they will be using some of
THE dna evidence that they have to look at some
of these other women who have disappeared in The Tri state,
area WHO i believe in their family believes were victims of,
violence one in, particular who was worked in the same
line of work as the other. Women and so that's
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what concerns. Me who is out there the women or anybody,
else because we haven't yet identified his, profile right we
know about The Gilg, war but we don't know who
else he may have been interested in killing or where
his interest quote unquote.
Speaker 9 (20:52):
Lie CAN i make a.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Comment about, that, Yeah, Japan BUT i need to go
To Anthony carter about what they're doing right. Now hold
on just a, Moment Deputy Commissioner, CARTER i pray To
god In heaven that this new task, force And i'm
sure you're not going to tell, me is comparing HIS
dna to every OTHER dna that's been found in let's
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just say The Tri state, area because once these bodies were,
discovered you, know he found another dumping, ground all, right
comparing HIS dna looking at who Else he's been calling
on his, many, many many burner phones and figuring out
where he was seen in That chevy, avalanche WHICH i
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want to ask, You Deputy. COMMISSIONER i happen to know
that the avalanche discontinued manufacturer in twenty. Thirteen yet here's
an avalanche part outside his, PLACE i believe a relative's.
Place an avalanche was seen at one of the victims'.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Homes let me THINK i believe it Was Amber. Costello
long story.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
SHORT i can go on and on and on About,
wow here's the avalanche part outside his, home a few
miles away from where the bodies are, found and a
witness place is an avalanche at one of the victims'.
Homes how come it took so? Long but that is
something for me to chew apart on another. Day JUST
i want to know that HIS dna is being compared
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to OTHER, dna especially in That tri state.
Speaker 7 (22:25):
Area, no and that's a great that's a great. Question
and the one thing that maybe some some out there
may think that you, know the arrest was, made we
arrested this subject that the task force has you, know
concluded their investigation and is going to go ahead and
just look At. Rex the the, investigation the task force
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is going to remain intact and they are going to
continue gathering evidence in both With rex and The Go
Go beach investigation is far from Overt And, Okay i'm going.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
To take that as a. Yes even though you're not saying,
Yes i'm taking.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
It as a.
Speaker 7 (23:08):
Yes you say to examine every piece of. Evidence that's, right,
though absolutely.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Speaking of every piece of, evidence let's take a look at.
It we can talk about them that all the women,
work many of them contacted On. Craigslist they were sex.
Workers they were found dead in the same. Way physical
similarities all these four putt In burlett bags disposed of
on a lonely stretch of beach about twenty plus minutes
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away from his home At Massapaker. Park but what about
the evidence the heart Evidents take a listen to our
cut three g our friends AT abc.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
Seven prosecutors say the smoking gun was a pizza. Crust
police dug Through hureman's, trash MATCHING dna from a partially
eaten slice to previously unidentified hairs found on three of
The gilgo. Victims today they Booked heureman on murder, chargers
accused in the deaths Of Melissa, barthell Me Megan, waterman
And Amber Lynn. Costello and he's a prime suspect in
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the death of a fourth, Marine Brainerd.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Barnes, okay let's talk about the HARD dna.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Evidence evidence from a.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Hair one of those hairs was found at the bottom
of one of the burlat bags that one of the
victims were discarded.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
In, also, apparently and correct me If i'm, wrong jump.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
On At Kirsten, thorn three victims had the defendant's wife's
hair on, them obviously a transfer from her to him
and from him onto the. Victim so that's at least
four pieces.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
OF dna that we know.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Of then one of the victims was tied up with
a leather, belt hopefully MAYBE dna TOUCH dna was taken
off of.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
That AM i missing ANY? Dna, Kristen, no that sounds,
Okay that is absolutely.
Speaker 8 (24:59):
Correct BUT i would love to talk about the wife's.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Hair, sure Because i've got a professor of forensics with
me and a for forensic consultant specializing IN dna waiting
to jump on this because this this is going to
get him in addition to all of the circumstantial. Evidence tell, Me, kristen.
Speaker 8 (25:20):
Here's my, question AND i would love to hear from, You,
nancy and from your experts to, me finding the wife's
hair on one victim would have been interesting to find
it on. Three i'm trying to, actually you, know when
you try to, think.
Speaker 10 (25:37):
How does this?
Speaker 8 (25:39):
Happen how does the wife's hair end up on it each?
Time and, AGAIN i am not implying anything about. Her
i'm trying to actually go through how this. Happened does
anybody have any thoughts on?
Speaker 1 (25:54):
THAT i got a, thought But i'll bring in the
experts a. Transfer just like.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Just a few minutes, ago right before we went to,
air my co Worker sydney handed me a big stack
of papers to go through about three minutes before we,
started and she leaned over me with her long blonde
hair AND i. TURNED i guarantee you some piece of
hair or some something brushed up against my jacket and it's.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
There. Okay you know who loves talking about. This Joe Scott.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Morgan he loves what's Your you have some quote you
always start?
Speaker 10 (26:30):
With?
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Why, Okay i'll let you tell.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
It Joe Scott morgan with me professor friends As Jacksonville State,
university And i've got to tell You i've been to
their crim pro building and.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Facilities that's an incredible.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Program Joe, scott author Of Blood Beneath My feet and
host of a hit Series Body, bags With Joe Scott,
morgan go, Ahead no action doesn't leave the?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Trays, well, la la. La what's the rest of?
Speaker 4 (26:55):
That the cards, principle every contact leaves a, trace and
it's it is a cornerstone that we work from in,
forensics and it's that axiom is over one hundred years
old and it still.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Applies tell, It Joe, scott preach. It preach, it, father
because this tie is.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Going down because of THIS. Dna and WHEN i.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Think of these computer, searches at him acting out those, horrible,
horrible evil computer, searches all these ladies to hell with. Him,
NOW i got to figure out a way to prove.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
It hit.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
It let me give you a hellscape, here AND i
think that it exists in that. House and this is
my supposition. Here you, know we were speaking just a
moment ago about the transfer of the wife's. Hair you
know you Mentioned sydney in the. Studio what space do
you guys, share probably on a daily basis when you're
laying down sound it's in that, studio, Okay so within
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that environment you kind of coexist in that. ENVIRONMENT i
am very, Curious, nancy relative to the accused where any
of these victims brought back to this.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Home that's such a good, Idea Joe, scott because you
Remember Joe scott many of these and jump In Anthony,
Carter Deputy, commissioner And Kristen thorn because you may know
better Than Joe scott AND i many of these murders
occurred while his wife was, gone and she has very distinct.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Hair she Is, icelandic so HER dna is going to
be very.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Identifiable and this is MITOCHONDRIAL, dna which comes from your mother.
Only so anybody jump in with a thought In, BETHANY
i Promise i'm circling.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Back this Is.
Speaker 9 (28:39):
Toby first of, all the HAIR i was A freensic
hair examiner for a share. Time, also the average person
that has hair loses about one hundred hairs at a day,
Randomly so the hair connection on just the one pert
victim would be, coincident could be yelled called. Incidents on three,
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victims it becomes more of a. Pattern but the locations
of the hair is because of. That if she rode
in the, avalanche if it was on his, clothing if
he took any of the victims, home all those are
reasonable explanations for where the hair is that THE dna
was done on came from because of the fact that
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we lose hair so, easily so that, connection you, know
is more open to. Interpretation where you come, from it's
very probable because he transported, them or may have transported
them in the, avalanche that the hairs were on him
or in that vehicle and that's where the transfer. Occurred
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or if the you, know if the fur loot bags
came from his, home they could have been transferred. There
but hair transfers are a common, thing and you know
there it makes it harder to interpret what's going. On
because of how common it.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Is BUT i agree with.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
You you're Hearing Toby wolves and forends that consult at
specializing IN dna erology bloodstain at No Slow forensic Dot. Com,
well he's, right of, Course Joe Scott. Morgan but three,
hairs As Kristen thorn pointed, out each one on a different.
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VICTIM i want to explore your theory that these victims
may have been taken to his. HOME i, mean when
you've got three hairs on three different, victims the only
thing the defense can do now is AN aja defense
it was. PLANTED i, mean let me hear your, Theory Joe.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Scott, well this.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Is one thing That i'm very encouraged by and that
thieves folks are, doing is THAT i saw these images
on the news of the, police the investigators going in
and out of that home And. NANCY i hope they
retain this place and take it down to the damn,
studs that everything that they can harvest out of that
environment from an evidentiary standpoint is to be. Acquired here's
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one more, thing And i'll be.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
QUIET i don't want you to be. QUIET i love
everything you're.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Saying it's something that really sent a chill up up my.
Spine and maybe it's, maybe maybe it's a wild goose,
chase but this one. VICTIM i was looking at this
charging document that's mentioned The Mari Miss Marine Brainer, barnes
and one thing that kind of sent a chill up
my spine was that this burner phone that the accused,
had or that he is alleged to have, had had
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contacts With marine's phone sixteen Times nancy over a period
of time From july to sixth Or july the. Ninth,
okay they have her phone finally dropping off the face
for a, while and there's like a couple of days
lag in. There but then here's the chilling. Part he
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apparently the perpetrator opened her phone up again and began
to check her. Messages let me ask you, Something, nancy
would you just blindly give without any kind of fighting.
Back would you give somebody the code to your cell
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phone to check your? MESSAGES i, MEAN i KNOW i.
WOULDN'T i don't know about the other folks on the,
Panel but how did he get that information from her
in order to get in to her voicemail to check?
It if that is? True what they're a legend and
that to me is. Chilling that to me shows that
he may have been in control of that person in.
(32:34):
Particular about the rest of, THEM i have no.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Idea, well all you've got to do is look at
His google Searches Joe scott and figure AND i can tell.
YOU i mean he looks up a hog time raping.
Woman obviously he is fixated on. TORTURE i, Mean Dr Bethany,
marshall you don't see that kind Of google search every.
(32:56):
Day And i've looked at plenty of people's computers in their.
Speaker 10 (32:59):
Searches you, know absolutely. Not and to frame our, discussion
if you think of this guy as a combination of
an obsessive sex addict who thrives off power and inflicting
pain in order to enhance his sexual, arousal his victim
profile is going to keep changing if he goes to
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more and more extreme types of pornography and more different
types of victims in order to enhance his sexual. Arousal
so maybe he starts with someone with it in his own,
race an age. Mate then he goes to a younger,
person than a smaller, person than a bigger, person than a,
man than a, woman than a, child and SO i
think that the complication and why the investigation is going
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to have to focus so much on the data and
the science is this guy is going to find anything
in order to increase his sexual, arousal and not just
finding different, victims but stocking, them toying with, them perhaps
taking them back to his. House this is not a
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one and done kind of guy where maybe someone looks at, pornography,
masturbates closes the. Computer this is a guy who's going
to get as much sexual satisfaction out of any one
victim as. Possible so it's multiple assaults against one victim
over an extended period.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Of, time which goes back To Joe Scott morgan's theory
that some of the victims may have been taken to
the home because an extended period of time assault probably
would not take place in a. Vehicle The Chevy avalanche.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Crime stories With Nancy.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Grace this BOMBSHELL dna ruling comes after a series of
fry hearings where the state and the defense argued over
a new method of ANALYZING dna used to Link, hureman
the architect and married, father to the murders of seven.
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Women it's an advanced NUCLEAR dna test carried out by
A california based, Lab Astrio, forensics and it identified hairs
on six of the seven victims as belonging To hureman's
now ex, Wife Asa, ellerup their Daughter Victoria, hueman and
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another person connected to the suspected serial. Killer the defense
argued the technique should be excluded because it had never
been used In New. York the state, responded is being
used widely across our. Country maybe not here In New,
york but all across the. Country it's been used and
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it is accepted by the scientific. Community of, Course huremans
sat there and gave no. REACTION i wonder if while
the defense and prosecution argue ABOUT dna evidence found on the,
bodies if he's actually thinking about the bodies and how
they got buried At Gilgo. Beach Deputy, COMMISSIONER i don't
(36:15):
know if you can comment on, this but can you
describe how HIS.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Dna was obtained off a pizza crust during?
Speaker 7 (36:23):
Surveillance you, know he was being observed and there was
an opportunity where he had discarded A i guess like
a small personal pizza box into a garbage in the,
city and our undercovers were able to retrieve that, box
(36:44):
and just to go back on a point to you,
know whether you know his home may have been involved
in the location of the. Homicides the one thing that
we can say is that it's not a coincidence that
his wife and family were away in three of the.
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Murders and we're taking you, know LIKE i, said active.
Investigation we're at the. HOME i think somebody had mentioned
on the call here that we're taking the. House we
should take the, house AND i think that is the
plan to get every piece of evidence that we can
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possibly get while we're inside of that home with.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Me Deputy Commissioner Anthony carter From Suffolk County, POLICE.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
I had to tell you, Something Deputy.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Commissioner i'm the first one to scream when police screw
up an investigation because it hurts me as a former
prosecutor and a crime victim. Myself BUT i am so
impressed with your surveillance of, hereman your identification of. HIM
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i know it's been a long time, coming but this
is a FRESH humma side task. Force this is a
whole new look because this case was ignored by prior.
Administrations you guys come in there like a barn on.
Fire you find this, guy you surveil, him you really
look at the. Evidence then you catch him discarding a
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pizza crust and get HIS dna which matches up to OTHER.
Dna you get his WIFE'S. Dna do we have any?
Idea can you comment on how you did? That Deputy?
Speaker 7 (38:31):
Commissioner so the, same you, know same methodology in trying
to obtain abandon. Examples you, know very similar fashion where
we were able to obtain recycled cans from their, look you,
know from where they.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Live so that's how you got the WIFE'S. Dna that's.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Correct, wow there's so MUCH i hardly know which way to.
Go but let me understand, Something Kristin. Thorne anybody on
the panel and knows the answer to this the Way
i'm reading the affidavit and other, information was this idiot
actually traveling with a burner phone and his own private
mobile phone together Like. Kyburger you know you can see
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him traveling away from the crime.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Scene did that? Happen does anybody? Know, well we know that.
Speaker 8 (39:19):
They certainly there. Are they certainly tracked the burner phones
relationship and location Near Massapequa park as well as his midcount,
office and they called that the. Box that was the
point that they used to.
Speaker 13 (39:35):
Triangulate although in that word it would be three, sides
but the box would be four to really you, know
pinpoint that his, locations where he, was where he, lives
where he, worked were also coordinating with the hits from
these burner.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Phones, okay break that down, too regular people.
Speaker 12 (39:54):
Talk this is Todd SO i think what significance is
what you're, saying and what they alleged in the core
documents is that they found no instance where the suspect
was in a separate location from the other cell phones
when the communications occurred when he was talking to them
from the burner, phones and so at that significant that
they tied them together from Those hoteller, records that his
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phone was there and the burner phone was. There in
instances outside of the, calls his, phone you, know was not.
There so it's pretty.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Significant, okay that is entirely significant To anthony Carter, fly police.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Commissioner what do you make of that?
Speaker 7 (40:33):
Theory, so you, KNOW i think when we talk about
some of the locations that we talked, about you, know
the burner phones versus his, phone and trying to tie
that all, IN i think it was you, know it
was challenging because we, look we're looking in an area
of over fifteen hundred homes that also included a portion
(40:53):
of The Massapeaker, preserve and that also then opens up
which are hitting those cell towers to people that may
or may not even live In, massapequa may or may
not even live IN Nasa. County SO i mean that
is one of the things behind the exhaustive effort committed
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by the members and the Task force to try to
drill down and get the right information and the right
evidence to you, know move us forward in the.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Case Christen thorn W Abc channel, seven what can you
tell me about recent revelations of a storage unit a?
Speaker 10 (41:32):
Search so we know that.
Speaker 8 (41:34):
There's an active investigation right now around a storage unit
On Long, island and for all we know and we
believe that it is connected to this. Investigation you, KNOW
i think what they're going to be looking. For AND
i also noticed in the indictment and we talk about
his house and how they do need to and are
going to tear apart that, house there were items missing
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from the, victims so, jewelry some pieces of, clothes those
are things that would probably be familiar to the family
that the family told them she used to always wear this,
necklace this. Bracelet that's very common we, find and so
those things were, missing and so those are the things
that they're going to be looking for in the house
and in this potential storage.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Unit this is rapidly, developing but for right, Now Asa,
ellerup the ex, wife continues to Insist hueman her husband is.
Innocent she sat in the public, gallery flanked by her
own fleet of attorneys and quickly flounced out of the
courtroom when the hearing came to an. End the daughter
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Of victoria was. Absent now remember some of her hairs
that are found on the dead. Bodies wonder how that went.
Down who wants to know their hair is on multiple
dead bodies buried On Gilgo. Beach in a linking Rex
(42:59):
hueman to the dead bodies At Gilgo, beach seven dead
bodies that we know of will be. Allowed, interesting it's
not his, hair it's his wife and his daughter's hair
found on the dead. Bodies that tells me a. Lot
that tells me the women were there in the, home
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possibly when they were raped and murdered or stored there
before they were. Disposed this is a major bombshell for
the state in this, case a major ruling for the.
State can the state prove the? Case will THE dna be?
Enough the staggering number of bodies found is going to
(43:44):
overwhelm any.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Jurar but it's the, truth and you cannot hide the
truth from a. Jury we wait as justice.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Unfolds goodbye, friend
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