A 7-year-old girl is found locked in a closet, now the search is on for her 9-year-old sister, Ava Marie Gonzales. Austin police respond to a home in Del Valle after receiving a 911 call about a 7-year-old girl is discovered starved and locked inside a bedroom closet. Six other children are also found in the home, but police say it appears they are physically healthy. According to reports, the child was soiled and barricaded in a closet with heavy boxes blocking the door.
An arrest affidavit reveals Virginia Marie Gonzales is accused of locking the 7-year-old girl in a closet for “weeks at a time.” The affidavit further states the girl’s grandmother told police that the child had trouble controlling her bladder and often ate things she shouldn’t. This allegedly led to her siblings being instructed to keep her locked in the closet.
The 7-year-old was hospitalized and is now recovering. During the investigation, detectives learn about another child, Ava, who has been missing for years. Virginia Marie Gonzales, Ava ‘s mother, was arrested on a charge of serious injury to a child in connection with the 7-year-old’s case. According to police, the missing now 9-year-old child was last seen when she was just 2 years old and in the custody of her mother, Virginia Marie Gonzales.
In court Gonzales says she is willing to do whatever necessary to regain custody of her children.
Joining Nancy Grace today,
- LeAnne Marie, friend of mom, Virginia Gonzales
- Bronwyn Blake- Adjunct Professor, University of Texas School of Law; Chief Legal Officer, Texas Advocacy Project; Founder: Teen Justice Initiative, advocating for teen victims of dating violence. Website: texasadvocacyproject.org; Facebook and Instagram: @TexasAdvocacyProject
- Dr. Angela Arnold - Psychiatrist, AngelaArnoldMD.com, Expert in the Treatment of Pregnant/Postpartum Women, Former Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, Obstetrics and Gynecology: Emory University, Former Medical Director of The Psychiatric Ob-Gyn Clinic at Grady Memorial Hospital
- Daryl Parker - Fmr. Lieutenant in the Fannin County Sheriff's Office / Private Investigator at Blackfish Intelligence; Former Marine, Former Texas police officer; has worked with the Innocence Project of Texas for the last ten years; website: wwww.blackfishintel.com; instagram: @blackfishintel, FB – blackfishintelligence
- Virginia Bagby - Director of the ChildHelp National Child Abuse Hotline, website: ChildHelp.org; Facebook and Instagram: @ChildHelp
- Dr Kendall Crowns - Chief Medical Examiner Tarrant County (Ft Worth), NEW Podcast "Mayhem in the Morgue" launching soon, Lecturer: Burnett School of Medicine at TCU (Texas Christian University)
- Christina Aguayo- Investigative Reporter, website: www.ChristinaAguayoNews.Com, Facebook: @ChristinaAguayoNews, Instagram: @Christina.AguayoNews
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Okay, it's Friday night and
it is special. Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This is
Crime Stories Friday Night Special. When I say special, I
mean special. Now Here's a woman nobody will forget. I
(00:24):
don't know if you're going to remember her name, Virginia Gonzalez,
but you'll remember this, the mom of multiple children, including
a seven year old little girl, found locked in a
dark closet that was barricaded down to about twenty six pounds,
(00:45):
fed one corn dog a day. If that, well, I'm
looking at her mugshot. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa? What happened
to those massive fake eyelashes? Where did they go? Uh?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Here she is in the raw, and miss thing comes
into court and demands to speak. Of course, I could
not be happier. That's right, A mom of a little
girl just seven years old at twenty six pounds. I
think John David Wade added five months for Pete's sake,
(01:21):
locked in a closet, barricaded in the closet, the closet
dark in their twenty four to seven three sixty five
gets one corn dog a day. If that speaks out
in court, Now, before I tell you what Miss Thing
says in court, let me jog your memory about what happened.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
On April third, twenty twenty five, Austin Police Department responded
to a nine to one to one call for a
seven year old child that was found locked in a
closet and starving. The seven year old was immediately taken
to a local hospital for medical treatment and is currently recovering.
There were six other children found in the home that
appeared physically healthy.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Police officers at an Austin apartment find a severely malnourished
seven year old girl who is barricaded in a bedroom closet.
The child has found soiled, weighing just twenty nine pounds,
and has been confined to a three foot by two
foot clauset space for approximately a month. Investigators find the
child has been given one corn dog and half a
cup of water a day. Doctors Atdell Children's Medical Center
(02:28):
determined the little girl as suffering moderate to severe cerebral
atrophy from prolonged malnutrition, damage from which she will never recover.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
And now new details emerging in a case out of Austin, Texas,
authorities first learn a seven year old girl is locked
in a closet. Who knows how long she weighs twenty
six pounds. When they go to inspect that they find
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out her sister has been missing four years. Mommy Virginia
Gonzales facing charges including injury to a child inflicting serious
injury after her daughter found locked in a closet and starving.
(03:17):
But it was only after that arrest police learned she
never reported the disappearance of the other child, a nine
year old little girl missing since December two thousand and seventeen.
Now many people have asked me online, why didn't the
grandmother do anything? Well, the grandmother did call police when
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she went to the home and found the seven year
old in the closet, but no one called police about
the missing sister. And I want to remind you this
closet was less than five feet by two feet five
by two five feet tall, two feet wide. There were
other objects in there. What other objects in there? No light,
(04:04):
no ventilation, and it was barricaded by seventy five pounds
of boxes in front of it. Can you imagine the
life that child had in a closet her living space
about three by one foot ten inches three by two
let's be generous, no light, no ventilation, barricaded on the
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outside by seventy five pound boxes in front of it.
The little girl was soiled, of course, she had tee
teed and defecated. I said, twenty six is twenty nine pounds.
Twenty nine pounds when she was rescued. She's already suffered
moderate to severe cerebral atrophy. That's permanent brain damage due
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to prolonged nutrition. This is what we are just learning. Quote.
She will never recover a according to the state's affidavit. Now,
the other six children in the home from two to
fourteen told Grandma they were ordered to lock her in
there because she had quote bladder control issues and was
(05:15):
quote always getting into stuff and quote eating things she
was not supposed to, what like food. A ten year
old brother told police he was told he had to
clean the closet because the little sister would have to
defecate a urinate in the closet. The little girl gets
just a corn dog a day and a half a
(05:36):
cup of water. How can a child survive day after day,
week after week, month after month, locked in a dark closet,
living off nothing. Straight out to Christina Oyo, joining US
investigative reporter Christina this child locked in a closet.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
What happened well, according to the affidavit, when police got there,
When the caller called in for the welfare check and
police got there, they found a seven year old little
girl locked in a closet. It was barricaded by seventy
five pounds of boxes. They opened that door, they found
that child in there. She was soiled, surrounded by feces.
She was severely malnourished. She had dark spots all over
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her body, which is a sign of severe malnourishment. They
took her, of course, to the hospital where she weighed
twenty nine pounds, and medical personnel say that because of
the prolonged starvation of that little girl that she will
have permanent brain damage.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Permanent brain damage caused by starvation. Joining me, Virginia Bagbie,
director of Child Help, National child abuse hotline child Help Virginia,
thank you for being with us. Many people don't know
that starving a child can result in permanent brain damage.
(06:57):
Have you ever seen anything like it before, Virginia.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
We have definitely heard about cases like this, and they
happen all too often.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Doctor Kendall, Crown's Chief medical examiner Terran County. That's fort worth,
never a lack of business. He is the esteemed lecturer
at the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU and has
just launched a hit podcast, Mayhem in the Morgue. Doctor
Kendall Crowns, thank you for being with us. I know
that you heard this, but let me repeat it again.
(07:24):
A seven year old little girl barricaded in a locked
bedroom closet, locked from the outside, soiled, a seven year
old weighing just twenty nine pounds, confined to a three
by two foot closet. She is being given at most
one corn dog and a half cup of water a day.
(07:47):
She is now suffering permanent, moderate to severe cerebral atrophy
from prolonged malnutrition. The dock states she will never recover.
Could you interpret that place certainly?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
So she's not being given much food or water. I
mean a corn dog and a cup of water is
not much for a child or anybody for that matter.
Her body is losing its depleting its muscle, depleting its stores,
so her muscles are wasting away, her bones are starting
to not form properly, and she's being starved. And part
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of being starve results in your cardiac muscle or your
heart muscle mass starting to also fade away or go away,
which reduces your heart's ability to pump your blood, which
results in your kidney's failing and you go into kidney failure.
You also start having gut issues as well, and this
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can all affect your brain and your brain's development, especially
in a child. So all those factors combined will result
in her having these issues that the doctors are describing.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Nor general crowns child of seven years old should weigh
around seventy pounds. Forty forty five to seventy pounds, is
that right?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Yes, that would be about the average bit of a
child at.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Seven a seven year old average. Of course, they grow
at different ways. The average is fifty one pounds for
a seven year old child, but it ranges from forty
three to seventy. So where would you place twenty nine
pounds in that spectrum? Twenty nine pounds If a seven
(09:37):
year old can weigh up to seventy three, she's not
even half the weight of a seven year old.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah, the weight you're describing as a severely malnourished child.
So she's been starved for a prolonged period of time.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
How does that make a child brain damaged?
Speaker 2 (09:55):
It's from the body shutting down, the lack of food,
the lack of loss of muscle mass, heart muscle mass
being lost and not circulating properly. The organs aren't getting
enough oxygenated blood, and of course the brain's part of this,
so the brain's not getting proper oxygenation. Also, the brain
relies on glucose or sugars to grow and develop, and
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it's not getting that as well, So the brain is
basically maldeveloped, not getting enough oxygen, so you get brain damage.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Doctor Crowns. Isn't it true that a child weighing twenty
nine pounds typically, and I'm basing this on charts of
statistics that I prepared, it's typically a twenty two month
old child at twenty nine pounds.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yes, I would be correct.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
A seven year old little girl, Doctor Tyndall Crowns, that
should weigh seventy one pounds fifty one to seventy one
pounds weighs twenty nine pounds. With a child starving, what
would she be in dear on the floor of that
locked closet, Doctor.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Crowns, she would be enduring confusion, dehydration, or a very
dry mouth or throat. It be dry, she'd have trouble swallowing,
She'd be very tired and just not able to even move.
And then you would add on to that the fact
that without the food she'd start hallucinating and then eventually
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just slip into a coma and finally die.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Doctor Tunnel Crowns. Would the child lose her hair? I
know that she's losing all muscle tone. Would she be
losing her hair? Would her faculties or hearing her sight?
Would that be intact? And what would her brain function
be lying on the floor of a dark closet starving.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
So yes, hair often will fall out in individuals who
are starved. Her brain function would be very minimal. She'd
be confused, even possibly hallucinating, and just completely fatigued, not
even feeling like moving.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Is it true? Doctor Kimbal Crowns that when someone has
been starved for a prolonged period of time, as in
this case, when you give them food they can't even
eat it.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Yes, you can have what is called if you give
a person who's been starved, you feed them too quickly,
you can have what is called refeeding syndrome where they
actually will from the food intake. It will cause so
much of a shock to their body that they can die.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Guys. When police show up to a home, they find
six children and then a seventh locked in a closet,
weighing just twenty nine pounds, but ironically, amazingly listen to
the condition of the other six children.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Six other children in the apartment, ranging in age from
two to fourteen years old, are found to be an
apparently good physical condition. The apartment's pantry, refrigerator in freezer
are stocked with various food items. The oldest children were
given strict orders to put the little girl in the
closet because she had bladder control issues and she was
trying to eat things she wasn't supposed to. During the investigation,
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police learned there's an eighth child, Ava Marie, who is
not in the home with the other children.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
We've got one starved child who has permanent brain damage.
A seven year old little girl weighing twenty nine pounds
locked in the closet. Now I've got a missing child too.
But to doctor Angela Arnold joining me, renowned psychiatrist out
of the Atlanta jurisdiction at Angela Arnold MD dot com.
(13:36):
Doctor Angie, thank you for being with us. Did you
hear what was just reported? That there were six other
children in the home seemingly healthy, and they were encouraged
to keep the little girl locked in a closet, starving
her because the little girl would eat things she wasn't
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supposed to eat. You know what, doctor Angie, I ever
every excuse in the book about why parents starve the children.
Oh the child ate a candy bar, I'll starve it.
The child eats too much, I'll starve it. The child
has behaved, I'll starve it. I mean, there are a
million excuses I have heard as to why moms and
(14:19):
dads starve the baby dead. But yet we see six
other children seemingly healthy.
Speaker 7 (14:27):
And this is oftentimes what we do see in cases
like this, Nancy, So the other children need to be
taken care of as well as this goes on, because
they have been suffering something called Stockholm syndrome. They want
to They are so scared of the abuse that they
(14:47):
see being heaped on this other child that they that
they go into it with their mother literally to protect themselves. Okay,
because Nancy imagine how scared these other children are. They
never know who's going to be next to be locked
in that closet, So they're going to listen to their mama.
They're going to do what she says. And I think
(15:10):
that they could probably also psychologically sort of break off
from from feeling towards the child that is being locked
in the closet so that they can protect themselves, because
this is chaos that this family is living in. It
is complete and utter chaos, and all of those other
(15:33):
children are suffering. They may not be brain dead, brain
damage to excuse me, they are not being you know,
they're not being starved, but they are also being damaged
by this so called mother of theirs.
Speaker 8 (15:48):
A missing child case takes a dark turn after a
disturbing discovery inside a family home.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
It brings to mind the case of another seven year
old child, Adrian Jones. There was just handed down a
multimillion dollar verdict against the state of Kentucky. Adrian Jones
was systematically starved, forced by his mother and father to
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watch the rest of the family eight. They would put
bars of soap in his mouth while everyone else ate
forced him to stand outside, chin deep in a pool
until finally the boy died. They killed the boy. Listen.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Former bailbondsman Michael Jones is awarding custody of his son,
Adrian Jones, and takes the boy away from his mother.
For the next four years, Adrian is regularly starved, rudely beaten,
tortured taste, and locked in a shower naked for months.
Adrian's brothers and sisters do not suffer the same fate.
Adrian is singled out by his father and stepmother. When
the child dies, Michael Jones buys two pigs and doesn't
(17:06):
feed them while the Adrian's body is left in the
shower for two weeks. When the pigs are starving, Michael
Jones feeds his son to the pigs. Michael and Heather
Jones plead guilty to first yeary murder and are serving
twenty five years to life.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
So in one closet, we've got the child starved and
a missing child. And back to you, doctor Anngie Arnold,
you said the other siblings are going to have to
be in treatment. You're right, because they didn't just watch
their sister starved slowly to death. They were forced to
keep her in the closet themselves. They're going to go
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the rest of their lives thinking they starved their sister
and now she's got permanent brain damage. Angie.
Speaker 7 (17:45):
That's exactly correct, Nancy. These children have been abused in
a different way, and it's all for a matter of control.
It's to keep all of those children in control, Nancy,
because you know, you can only imagine there's one mother,
all of these children, and if somebody got old enough
to decide, you know, we really shouldn't be treating this
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person this way, they could possibly escape or something like this, right,
but that mother is making sure that they are so terrified.
They are so terrified in the home that they live in,
and she and she feeds them so that they have
this odd relationship where there with the mother where they
(18:26):
still need her, but they're scared of her, so that
none of them will go against her.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
To Brown Blake, joining US agent, Professor of University Texas
School of Law, chief legal officer Texas Advocacy Project, browin
thank you for being with us. I've seen it many
many times, like in Adrian Jones, Like in this case,
for one child out of the whole group is singled out,
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and they're the ones that starved. That child is the
one that's abused. I don't understand the phenomena, but I
accept it because I've seen it over and over, even
cases that I prosecuted other children we'll go unscathed while
the one child would end up dead.
Speaker 9 (19:13):
The idea that abuse is all about power and control
really helps explain this dynamic. This person is not out
of control. They're being very calculated and systematic in who
they abuse and how so all of those children experienced abuse,
just in different ways.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Guys, Not only do we have a child starved your death,
languishing on the floor of locked closet, we have a
missing child. Listen.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
During the investigation, police discovered that there was an eighth
child who was not found inside the home. The missing
nine year old child was identified as Ava Marie Gonzalez.
Missing person's detectives determined that Ava was last seen in
December twenty seventeen, when she was two years old and
in the custody of her mother, Virginia Marie Gonzalez.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
Learning there should be eight children in the apartment, not
just the seven they found, police opened an investigation and
quickly determined Ava Marie has not been seen by family
or friends since she was two years old in twenty seventeen,
in custody of her mother, Virginia Gonzalez. Considering the condition
of Ava's seven year old sister when she was found,
Austin police detectives are very concerned about Ava's welfare.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
So they've got six children seemingly healthy, you've got one
child starved locked in a closet, and now you've got
a missing child. Joining me as a special guest, this
is Leanne Marie, friend of the children's mother, Virginia Gonzalez. Leanne,
thank you for being with us.
Speaker 10 (20:46):
Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Leanne Marie. Tell me about Virginia Gonzalez.
Speaker 10 (20:51):
So, from what I know, she was just a normal person.
Speaker 11 (20:57):
I mean, honestly, she never really had her kids with her,
like you know, presence. The only one that I've seen
with her in the past year was the oldest one,
the fourteen year old. Besides that, we never knew that
she had, you know, the little girl.
Speaker 10 (21:16):
We only knew of boys.
Speaker 11 (21:19):
So she was just a typical person, partying out in
the clubs and the bars. I mean, she she was
just she never lived like she even had nine eight
nine kids.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Very very you're scaring me now there's mommy. Hi Mom, Yeah,
but there she is. Party down Mom? Where are your children?
Right now? William Marine just said something that scared me. Okay,
hold on, So I know that there are six children
in the home, healthy ish, one starved in a closet,
(21:53):
and one missing. That's eight, but you mentioned nine the
possibility of a ninth child. Sam is a very nice child.
Speaker 10 (22:02):
Yes, So right now they're saying that this night child.
Speaker 11 (22:05):
He is not He does not have a social social
security here in Texas, so he's not registered here in Texas.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Okay, Darryl Parker, I need you and I need you.
Now there's another missing child. Did you hear that? Darryl Parker,
former Lieutenant Fanning County Sheriff's Office, former Marine, former Texas
police officer. Help me. So we're learning right now that
there's a ninth child that's in the wind. Nobody knows
(22:34):
how old the child is, where it is, It doesn't
have a Texas Social Security number.
Speaker 12 (22:38):
Yeah, Nancy, that's that's pretty concerning. I know that the
mom has already made several statements to police that are
inconsistent about the child that is missing already that they
already know about and It'll be interesting to see if
some follow up questioning can reveal anything about this ninth child.
Possible ninth child.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Virginia Bagby joining us from Child Help National Abuse Hotline
going into this right now. I knew that there were
eight children, six in the home, one starve near death
with brain damage, and one missing since twenty seventeen. Now
I'm hearing about child number nine. Is that child dead?
(23:19):
I mean, what do you do when you get a
call like this the Child Help hotline?
Speaker 6 (23:24):
Well, this is a really difficult one. I would encourage
somebody to reach out to the local hospitals potentially where
all the other children have been born, to see if
they have any record. This is very concerning to have
two children missing. Now these other children have probably are
aware that they have siblings that are missing. Add that
to the terror they've been experiencing.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace in court, miss thing in
you Gonzales estates. I instructed them not to let her
out of the bedroom, but not the closet, so she
would basically blame the other children. Quote, we'd capture in
the restroom doing something bad. What what would she be
(24:15):
doing in the bathroom at seven years old? Quote it
was easier for my sons to watch her that way.
Well what were you doing? What was grandma doing? Why
weren't they watching her? Why would you leave a ten
year old boy in charge of six other children? Text
messages uncover Gonzales texting one of her children, quote, clean
(24:36):
the closet, then throw her back in. In the affidavit
we obtained, the detective describes a child the fat in
her cheeks was non existent. Her body had used those
stores to sustain itself. Now, wait a minute, Gonzales speaks more.
She insists the children had quote adequate food. I don't
(24:59):
dispute I was wrong. I know what I've done is wrong.
I want to fight for my kids. Are you serious?
I'm ready to do whatever I need to keep my
children in my life. Well you know what, they could
be your pen pals from behind bars woman.
Speaker 8 (25:15):
A shocking discovery inside a home leads police to investigate
a long buried secret.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Okay, Liam Marie is joining us a friend of the Ma.
Virginia Gozales MS murray, thank you because what you've just
said could save a child's life. Yes, mom, however do
you know Leanne is the ninth child older younger girl.
Speaker 11 (25:40):
Boy, it's a boy and he is around age nine
to ten years old. So she has a fourteen and eleven,
A ten, A nine, A seven. I know she has
two three year olds the newborn.
Speaker 10 (25:58):
So there's there's there's nine. From what I'm hearing right now.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Okay, hold on, let me have this up. There's a
fourteen year old and eleven year old, a ten year old,
A nine year old is the boy that you think
is missing? A seven year old? Is a little girl
starved in the closet? Two three year old? I go one, two, three, four, five, six,
seven eight, I'm missing somebody fourteen, eleven, ten nine missed
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three and three and a kneeborn.
Speaker 11 (26:28):
What now, So Eva's around eight nine years old and
then the little boy's right after her eleven months difference.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
You stated that Virginia Gonzales, the mother the starving little
girl and the other missing girl, was quote normal, would
go partying at the clubs and the bars. Hey, I
don't have a problem with that party down, mommy, But
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what would she ever mention who was taking care of
the children while she's at bar.
Speaker 11 (27:01):
So from we understand was that the kids, all the
kids were left with the grandmother of She has three
kids that belonged to one father and they were that
was who she was with the past seven years, and
so they were supposedly.
Speaker 10 (27:16):
All living with the grandmother.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
You're seeing mommy now out parting on a boat, drinking
straight out of a vodka mini bottle. Ooh, there she
is in a bar. Why bother with a glass? Seriously?
Why who needs a glass when you can drink straight
from the bottle. There's mommy chowing down on some free
toes and chips on a boat while her twenty nine
(27:43):
pound seven year old daughter is locked in a closet
at home. Okay, Dodrangie Arnold, I need to shrink because
why is she had on a boat parting while her
child is starving in a closet and two children are missing?
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Right?
Speaker 7 (27:58):
And Nancy, how could she? How can she just be
so unattached from all of these children that she's having.
So my question is why is she having all of
these children? And I'm sorry, is it to support her lifestyle?
And where are the fathers of these children? We always
have to ask where is We're always you know, why
(28:18):
isn't the mother taking care of them?
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Okay?
Speaker 7 (28:20):
Yeah, she is a horrible person that has done horrible
things to at least two of her children that we
know about. Where are the fathers of these children and
why are any of them involved? But Nancy, I don't
believe she should be out partying on a boat. I
think that when you have children, you should be at
home taking care of your children and not relying on
someone else to take care of them, because again we
(28:42):
don't know how children take that, but oftentimes when mothers
are not around, children do since a fear of abandonment
when their mother is not taking care of them.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
But to Rowin Blake joining us as John Professor University
takes a school of law, Robin, I'm not lady. If
mom wants to party, go ahead. If mom wants to
vape and smoke, have at it. The issue is intent.
When she is out partying in her club and bar finery,
(29:15):
her child is at home starving and two of them
are missing. Now that goes to intent. When I'm trying
to prove felony child neglect to a jury, that's when
that type of video let's see the video again comes
in to play. I couldn't care less what mommy wears
(29:36):
or what bar she goes to, don't care. But if
your child is at home, starving in a closet, suddenly
your behavior, your actions during that time are relevant.
Speaker 9 (29:49):
Absolutely. I can tell you're thinking like a prosecutor. The
contrast between the images you're showing of these this child
and then her mother partying, it.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Tells the whole story there.
Speaker 9 (30:00):
Fortunately, many of users present one face to some people,
can be very charming to some people. And then we
hear about these horrible things happening at home.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Two, Doctor Kimmell Crown's joining me, Chief Medical Examiner, Terran County.
That's Fort Worth. Doctor Kimmell Crowns. I've got one child
starved almost beyond recognition, her bones sticking out, you know,
like they're visible through the skin. I've got that child starved,
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almost dead, permanent brain injury. I've got a missing little girl,
and now I'm learning from leam Marie there's another boy
missing that is about one, two three fourth in the
progression line of children. Leam Marie joining us. A friend
of mom, Virginia Gonzalez, did you know that Ava was missing?
Speaker 10 (30:54):
No, we had no idea.
Speaker 11 (30:56):
Back in twenty eighteen, when I originally first met at Virginia.
We only knew of three little boys. So after talking
to mutual friends and all concluding that.
Speaker 10 (31:10):
She had Ava's hair shaved like a boy.
Speaker 11 (31:14):
She never had Ava in her possess I mean, she
never let us know that it was a girl. She
had her presented as a boy to all of us,
so we're all in shock. We didn't nobody knew that
she had Ava.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Well, An, I don't understand this. So she showed you Ava,
but this is the missing child, not the starving child. Right,
you saw Ava, and she had her dressed like a
boy with her head shaved.
Speaker 11 (31:44):
She had her hair, she had him had she had
a faid, He had a faid. I definitely confirmed this
with her landlord and roommates that she.
Speaker 10 (31:56):
Lived with back in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 11 (31:58):
Everybody concluded that and confirmed that it was a little boy.
It was not nobody knew she had a little girl.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Lan knowing the mother, why do you think she shaved
the little girl's head and passed her off as a boy.
Speaker 11 (32:12):
I feel like that she had a anger issue with
the little girls because of the way her mother treated
her back when she was little, and I think that
she was taking it out on these little girls, because
from all the evidence and information that I've collected, it's
all based on the girls.
Speaker 10 (32:33):
So you know, she sold the baby who was a
little girl that was just born in March.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
She starved a whoa, whoa, whoa. My head is spinning.
What did you just say? She sold a baby?
Speaker 11 (32:45):
Yes, and CPS just found that baby when Okay, but.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Ahead, that's the newborn baby that was just born in March,
so that baby's been sold. Yes, but see how much
does she get from the baby.
Speaker 10 (32:56):
From what I heard?
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Twenty five k Christina, why tell me about the newborn
baby girl that just got sold?
Speaker 5 (33:03):
Well apparently for my investigations online, and none of this
has been confirmed yet, but she did have this newborn baby,
and according to all person who says that they are
a close relative of the family, she did have a
newborn baby.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
It was sold to a couple.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
So if that is in fact the case, there could
be a possibility that Avan Marigan Soliz was also sold,
and that's something that will have to be looked into,
because it would be my opic of us to think
that that possibility isn't out there.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
You know what, Christina Ariyah, I can only hope and
pray that she was sold and that she's alive and
being treated better than the little seven year old to Leanne Marie,
a friend of mom Virginia Gonzalez, why did she sell
her baby?
Speaker 11 (33:50):
I'm guessing financial issues. But at the same time, you know,
all the money was going downtown Sixth Street and at
the strip clubs. I mean, she was just making it
rain with money and buying bottles after bottles and buying
everybody buying.
Speaker 10 (34:05):
The bar out. I mean, that's where I seen the
money going. I didn't see anything else that she had that.
Speaker 11 (34:12):
I mean, she didn't even have a vehicle, you know
what I mean. So, I mean I think all the
money was just going to party in I don't think
it was ever to just take care of her and
the rest of the kids, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
I noticed in the party video she's got a Gucci
bag strapped around her front. Was that a fake? Was
that a fruity? A fake Gucci?
Speaker 11 (34:32):
From my understanding, everything that the police found in her
room was everything was name brand. I don't think it
was fake, but I do now know that a video
was taped back in May a year ago.
Speaker 10 (34:48):
She would just cover up her.
Speaker 11 (34:50):
Stomach I mean she would honestly, now that I'm thinking,
I'm thinking she was trying to.
Speaker 10 (34:54):
Hide the pregnancy. Why because she was out there.
Speaker 11 (34:57):
Partying, I mean on the boat party, which was in
September of twenty twenty four, my birthday. You can see
in the video she was kind of closed.
Speaker 10 (35:05):
She didn't take the whole.
Speaker 11 (35:07):
Shot, and I got other, you know, videos of footage
of her putting the shots on the side when people
weren't watching. So I think she knew she was pregnant,
but she just didn't want the other the world to
know that she was pregnant. So she would literally buy bottles,
get everybody drunk, and.
Speaker 10 (35:24):
I guess what then nobody notices anything.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Question. Did she discuss openly that she was selling the baby?
Speaker 10 (35:32):
No, no, ma'am.
Speaker 11 (35:33):
I found that out through the one of the children's families,
the ones that I've been speaking with since the very
beginning of the case, when it first started getting investigated.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Do you know who she sold the baby too?
Speaker 10 (35:47):
I do not know them personally. I just know that
it was a couple.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Well, I am, why did she keep having children and
she hated them so much?
Speaker 11 (35:55):
I don't think that she was having the children to
you know, just be this and to take care of them.
I think she was living off the benefits the snap
and the EBT and the fathers. I think that was
how she would hold some of these men, you know,
in her life, because a lot of them didn't deal
with the children. They only dealt with her, And a
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lot of them didn't want the children, they just wanted her.
So I think that it was like the kids were
like a tool for the men she was. You know
how they say there's womenizers. I think she was like
that with the men, like where she idolized men before
her children.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Did anyone ever wonder who would be taking care of
the children while she's out partying.
Speaker 11 (36:39):
So from my friendship experience with her, she would come
and go. So one minute she was out here popping
bottles for about two or three months, and then she'll
go ghost for six months a year, and then she'll
pop out out of nowhere again. So it wasn't really
she was really just screet with the children. Like I said,
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I only went to her that apartment where they found
the child that was starving and the other six children.
I only went to that apartment one time, which was
to go pick her up and she it was clean.
It was the fourteen year old was the only one there.
I didn't I didn't ask because every time I asked
about the children, it was that they were with her,
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the grandmother, because her baby daddy was you know, crazy
after her, so she just left the children at him
so he would be calm, is what she would.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Tell us.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Now regarding the missing sister,
Gonzales spouts off again in court and says a man
named Saul he Menez took Little Ava from her, and
the man was the girl's father, but she now claims
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he was deported back to Mexico before he men as
sister took Little Ava with her to Mexico as well.
I only hope and pray that's true. Although Austin police
say they are handling Little Ava's disappearance quote as a
homicide investigation, adding they quote don't have any evidence she
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is alive, Gonzales in court reports she did not kill
her daughter. Well. Her bond has been raised to a
quarter million dollars. How do people have children over and
over and over seven children? We now believe and treat
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them like this? Has nobody ever heard of a condom.
Has nobody ever heard of the birth control bill? Locking
the child in the closet and starving her one child
already missing, believed to be dead. What more do we know?
Alia Marie is joining us a friend of the mom,
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Virginia Gozales. So you think that she's having the children
in order to get state benefits.
Speaker 10 (39:10):
I don't think it's just state benefits.
Speaker 11 (39:11):
I think, like I said, it's more of a tool
for the men that she was in love with. I mean,
I mean some of them, some of the From what
I'm understanding too, is some of the kids. I mean,
she don't even know who the fathers is to some
of the kids. I mean, she was known for being
in the club, you know, with multiple men. So I mean,
I don't think that she used the children just for
the benefits. I think it was just more of tools
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to keep the men in her life to help benefit
her with the money and the pain for this and
pain for that.
Speaker 10 (39:39):
And that's what I think.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
To Darryl Parker joining me former Lieutenant Fannin County Sheriff's
Office at blackfishintel dot com. Darryl, how do we go
about finding the two missing children? You've got the little
girl missing, We've got an AH progress photo of her.
You've got her missing, You've got a nine year old
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boy missing. I believe the little kneeborn girl that was
sold has been recovered. But how do you go about
finding the two missing children?
Speaker 12 (40:11):
Well, you know, Nancy, I see a lot of parallels
between this case.
Speaker 13 (40:14):
And the Kasey Anthony case. And if you recall, the
thing that really bogged down that investigation was Kathy Anthony's
multiple stories where she gave the police all these different
versions of what happened to her child. And so in
this case, I think the mom has given them some
inconsistent stories. They're going to have to track these down.
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And this is over a period of time too. Seven
years is a lot longer period of time than when
Katy Anthony's child was missing, so it's going to be
a lot more difficult for law enforcement to piece that together.
But she couldn't have done all this without other adults
being aware of what was going on, at least collaterally,
So I think there are going to be some other
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collateral witnesses that can help provide some information to try.
In fun of you, Rob and.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Blake, I don't understand how the mother can be getting
government benefits but they're not in school because the government
does know they exist and they're off school age.
Speaker 9 (41:14):
How does that work. This is not supposed to happen.
When you hear a story like those, multiple systems have failed.
This mother was purposely not taking her children to school,
I'm sure because the teachers would have seen something. She's
not taking them to their doctor's appointments because the doctors
would have seen something. Here in Texas, every single adult
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is a mandatory repporter of child abuse, not just those
professionals I mentioned, neighbors, family members. If anyone saw something,
it's the law that they had to report it.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Christina A Wya, what more do you know?
Speaker 5 (41:49):
Well, they're the woman who is online identifying as a
very close family member.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
She revealed that the newborn baby was sold.
Speaker 5 (41:58):
She also is revealing some of the details of about
what Virginia was telling each one of the family members.
It kind of lines up with what Virginia Gonzalez's friend
was telling us about the story. She was saying she
pitted the two families against each other. She allegedly told
one family that the kids were in the care of
the other family, her side of the family told her
mom the same thing, vice versa. This woman also claims
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that the father of three of Virginia Gonzalez's children actually
took care of six of the children for two years
until he went to jail, allegedly back in December, and
that's when she's saying that Virginia Gonzalez went and picked up.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
All the kids.
Speaker 5 (42:33):
She had kept the fourteen with her, fourteen year old
with her originally and then went back and picked up
all the kids. So that was in December, which means
that if she picked up the little seven year old
girl who they are calling re Rea in December, then
that means that little girl was suffering, most likely six
months of abuse before that nine to one one call
came in and they discovered her in the closet. So
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apparently this woman is describing Virginia Gonzalez as very manipulative,
and it's crazy because they also say that she didn't
allow any of the children to go to school, and
there are no records of any of the children being
in school, and as for Abram Mariganzalez, there's no medical records,
there's no legal records, So this is a really convoluted case.
And if it's true what they're saying about the baby
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being sold to a couple, that the possibility of abam
Reriganzalees being sold to a couple is there as well.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
But it might have been sold. The baby might have.
Speaker 5 (43:24):
Been sold to a more nefarious outfit, which means we
could be looking at something concerning child trafficking, which we
hope that's not the case. But either way, there's a
lot of avenues that investigators need to go down, and
there are a lot of leads that they need to investigate.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Leam Marie, Now that you realize the extent of what
Virginia Gonzalez was doing to her children, are you surprised very?
Speaker 11 (43:50):
I'm very shocked. I'm very disbelief. I just I can't
believe it. I mean, she put up this image. I
would have never, in my rights, stay to mind, thought
that she was starving a kid or abusing the children
like that.
Speaker 10 (44:06):
I would have said something.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
To doctor Angela Arnold, how can you present one facade
to the public and live such a dark private life?
Speaker 7 (44:16):
You know what that comes? That comes from years and
years of abuse. Because people who have been abused learn
how to compartmentalize different things in their life. So this woman,
because of the purported abuse that she experienced as a child,
has learned how to contain the different parts of her
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life and separate them. It all stems from her abuse.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
If you know or think you know anything regarding these
missing children, please dial five one two five seven two
eight four seven seven repeat five one two five seven
to two eight four seven seven. We wait as justice unfolds. Goodbye, friend,
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m HM.
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Okay, it's Friday night and
it is special. Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This is
Crime Stories Friday Night Special. When I say special, I
mean special. Now Here's a woman nobody will forget. I
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don't know if you're going to remember her name, Virginia Gonzalez,
but you'll remember this, the mom of multiple children, including
a seven year old little girl, found locked in a
dark closet that was barricaded down to about twenty six pounds,
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fed one corn dog a day. If that, well, I'm
looking at her mugshot. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa? What happened
to those massive fake eyelashes? Where did they go? Uh?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Here she is in the raw, and miss thing comes
into court and demands to speak. Of course, I could
not be happier. That's right, A mom of a little
girl just seven years old at twenty six pounds. I
think John David Wade added five months for Pete's sake,
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locked in a closet, barricaded in the closet, the closet
dark in their twenty four to seven three sixty five
gets one corn dog a day. If that speaks out
in court, Now, before I tell you what Miss Thing
says in court, let me jog your memory about what happened.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
On April third, twenty twenty five, Austin Police Department responded
to a nine to one to one call for a
seven year old child that was found locked in a
closet and starving. The seven year old was immediately taken
to a local hospital for medical treatment and is currently recovering.
There were six other children found in the home that
appeared physically healthy.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Police officers at an Austin apartment find a severely malnourished
seven year old girl who is barricaded in a bedroom closet.
The child has found soiled, weighing just twenty nine pounds,
and has been confined to a three foot by two
foot clauset space for approximately a month. Investigators find the
child has been given one corn dog and half a
cup of water a day. Doctors Atdell Children's Medical Center
(02:28):
determined the little girl as suffering moderate to severe cerebral
atrophy from prolonged malnutrition, damage from which she will never recover.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
And now new details emerging in a case out of Austin, Texas,
authorities first learn a seven year old girl is locked
in a closet. Who knows how long she weighs twenty
six pounds. When they go to inspect that they find
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out her sister has been missing four years. Mommy Virginia
Gonzales facing charges including injury to a child inflicting serious
injury after her daughter found locked in a closet and starving.
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But it was only after that arrest police learned she
never reported the disappearance of the other child, a nine
year old little girl missing since December two thousand and seventeen.
Now many people have asked me online, why didn't the
grandmother do anything? Well, the grandmother did call police when
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she went to the home and found the seven year
old in the closet, but no one called police about
the missing sister. And I want to remind you this
closet was less than five feet by two feet five
by two five feet tall, two feet wide. There were
other objects in there. What other objects in there? No light,
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no ventilation, and it was barricaded by seventy five pounds
of boxes in front of it. Can you imagine the
life that child had in a closet her living space
about three by one foot ten inches three by two
let's be generous, no light, no ventilation, barricaded on the
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outside by seventy five pound boxes in front of it.
The little girl was soiled, of course, she had tee
teed and defecated. I said, twenty six is twenty nine pounds.
Twenty nine pounds when she was rescued. She's already suffered
moderate to severe cerebral atrophy. That's permanent brain damage due
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to prolonged nutrition. This is what we are just learning. Quote.
She will never recover a according to the state's affidavit. Now,
the other six children in the home from two to
fourteen told Grandma they were ordered to lock her in
there because she had quote bladder control issues and was
(05:15):
quote always getting into stuff and quote eating things she
was not supposed to, what like food. A ten year
old brother told police he was told he had to
clean the closet because the little sister would have to
defecate a urinate in the closet. The little girl gets
just a corn dog a day and a half a
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cup of water. How can a child survive day after day,
week after week, month after month, locked in a dark closet,
living off nothing. Straight out to Christina Oyo, joining US
investigative reporter Christina this child locked in a closet.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
What happened well, according to the affidavit, when police got there,
When the caller called in for the welfare check and
police got there, they found a seven year old little
girl locked in a closet. It was barricaded by seventy
five pounds of boxes. They opened that door, they found
that child in there. She was soiled, surrounded by feces.
She was severely malnourished. She had dark spots all over
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her body, which is a sign of severe malnourishment. They
took her, of course, to the hospital where she weighed
twenty nine pounds, and medical personnel say that because of
the prolonged starvation of that little girl that she will
have permanent brain damage.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Permanent brain damage caused by starvation. Joining me, Virginia Bagbie,
director of Child Help, National child abuse hotline child Help Virginia,
thank you for being with us. Many people don't know
that starving a child can result in permanent brain damage.
(06:57):
Have you ever seen anything like it before, Virginia.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
We have definitely heard about cases like this, and they
happen all too often.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Doctor Kendall, Crown's Chief medical examiner Terran County. That's fort worth,
never a lack of business. He is the esteemed lecturer
at the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU and has
just launched a hit podcast, Mayhem in the Morgue. Doctor
Kendall Crowns, thank you for being with us. I know
that you heard this, but let me repeat it again.
(07:24):
A seven year old little girl barricaded in a locked
bedroom closet, locked from the outside, soiled, a seven year
old weighing just twenty nine pounds, confined to a three
by two foot closet. She is being given at most
one corn dog and a half cup of water a day.
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She is now suffering permanent, moderate to severe cerebral atrophy
from prolonged malnutrition. The dock states she will never recover.
Could you interpret that place certainly?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
So she's not being given much food or water. I
mean a corn dog and a cup of water is
not much for a child or anybody for that matter.
Her body is losing its depleting its muscle, depleting its stores,
so her muscles are wasting away, her bones are starting
to not form properly, and she's being starved. And part
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of being starve results in your cardiac muscle or your
heart muscle mass starting to also fade away or go away,
which reduces your heart's ability to pump your blood, which
results in your kidney's failing and you go into kidney failure.
You also start having gut issues as well, and this
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can all affect your brain and your brain's development, especially
in a child. So all those factors combined will result
in her having these issues that the doctors are describing.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Nor general crowns child of seven years old should weigh
around seventy pounds. Forty forty five to seventy pounds, is
that right?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Yes, that would be about the average bit of a
child at.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Seven a seven year old average. Of course, they grow
at different ways. The average is fifty one pounds for
a seven year old child, but it ranges from forty
three to seventy. So where would you place twenty nine
pounds in that spectrum? Twenty nine pounds If a seven
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year old can weigh up to seventy three, she's not
even half the weight of a seven year old.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah, the weight you're describing as a severely malnourished child.
So she's been starved for a prolonged period of time.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
How does that make a child brain damaged?
Speaker 2 (09:55):
It's from the body shutting down, the lack of food,
the lack of loss of muscle mass, heart muscle mass
being lost and not circulating properly. The organs aren't getting
enough oxygenated blood, and of course the brain's part of this,
so the brain's not getting proper oxygenation. Also, the brain
relies on glucose or sugars to grow and develop, and
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it's not getting that as well, So the brain is
basically maldeveloped, not getting enough oxygen, so you get brain damage.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Doctor Crowns. Isn't it true that a child weighing twenty
nine pounds typically, and I'm basing this on charts of
statistics that I prepared, it's typically a twenty two month
old child at twenty nine pounds.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yes, I would be correct.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
A seven year old little girl, Doctor Tyndall Crowns, that
should weigh seventy one pounds fifty one to seventy one
pounds weighs twenty nine pounds. With a child starving, what
would she be in dear on the floor of that
locked closet, Doctor.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Crowns, she would be enduring confusion, dehydration, or a very
dry mouth or throat. It be dry, she'd have trouble swallowing,
She'd be very tired and just not able to even move.
And then you would add on to that the fact
that without the food she'd start hallucinating and then eventually
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just slip into a coma and finally die.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Doctor Tunnel Crowns. Would the child lose her hair? I
know that she's losing all muscle tone. Would she be
losing her hair? Would her faculties or hearing her sight?
Would that be intact? And what would her brain function
be lying on the floor of a dark closet starving.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
So yes, hair often will fall out in individuals who
are starved. Her brain function would be very minimal. She'd
be confused, even possibly hallucinating, and just completely fatigued, not
even feeling like moving.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Is it true? Doctor Kimbal Crowns that when someone has
been starved for a prolonged period of time, as in
this case, when you give them food they can't even
eat it.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Yes, you can have what is called if you give
a person who's been starved, you feed them too quickly,
you can have what is called refeeding syndrome where they
actually will from the food intake. It will cause so
much of a shock to their body that they can die.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Guys. When police show up to a home, they find
six children and then a seventh locked in a closet,
weighing just twenty nine pounds, but ironically, amazingly listen to
the condition of the other six children.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Six other children in the apartment, ranging in age from
two to fourteen years old, are found to be an
apparently good physical condition. The apartment's pantry, refrigerator in freezer
are stocked with various food items. The oldest children were
given strict orders to put the little girl in the
closet because she had bladder control issues and she was
trying to eat things she wasn't supposed to. During the investigation,
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police learned there's an eighth child, Ava Marie, who is
not in the home with the other children.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
We've got one starved child who has permanent brain damage.
A seven year old little girl weighing twenty nine pounds
locked in the closet. Now I've got a missing child too.
But to doctor Angela Arnold joining me, renowned psychiatrist out
of the Atlanta jurisdiction at Angela Arnold MD dot com.
(13:36):
Doctor Angie, thank you for being with us. Did you
hear what was just reported? That there were six other
children in the home seemingly healthy, and they were encouraged
to keep the little girl locked in a closet, starving
her because the little girl would eat things she wasn't
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supposed to eat. You know what, doctor Angie, I ever
every excuse in the book about why parents starve the children.
Oh the child ate a candy bar, I'll starve it.
The child eats too much, I'll starve it. The child
has behaved, I'll starve it. I mean, there are a
million excuses I have heard as to why moms and
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dads starve the baby dead. But yet we see six
other children seemingly healthy.
Speaker 7 (14:27):
And this is oftentimes what we do see in cases
like this, Nancy, So the other children need to be
taken care of as well as this goes on, because
they have been suffering something called Stockholm syndrome. They want
to They are so scared of the abuse that they
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see being heaped on this other child that they that
they go into it with their mother literally to protect themselves. Okay,
because Nancy imagine how scared these other children are. They
never know who's going to be next to be locked
in that closet, So they're going to listen to their mama.
They're going to do what she says. And I think
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that they could probably also psychologically sort of break off
from from feeling towards the child that is being locked
in the closet so that they can protect themselves, because
this is chaos that this family is living in. It
is complete and utter chaos, and all of those other
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children are suffering. They may not be brain dead, brain
damage to excuse me, they are not being you know,
they're not being starved, but they are also being damaged
by this so called mother of theirs.
Speaker 8 (15:48):
A missing child case takes a dark turn after a
disturbing discovery inside a family home.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
It brings to mind the case of another seven year
old child, Adrian Jones. There was just handed down a
multimillion dollar verdict against the state of Kentucky. Adrian Jones
was systematically starved, forced by his mother and father to
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watch the rest of the family eight. They would put
bars of soap in his mouth while everyone else ate
forced him to stand outside, chin deep in a pool
until finally the boy died. They killed the boy. Listen.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Former bailbondsman Michael Jones is awarding custody of his son,
Adrian Jones, and takes the boy away from his mother.
For the next four years, Adrian is regularly starved, rudely beaten,
tortured taste, and locked in a shower naked for months.
Adrian's brothers and sisters do not suffer the same fate.
Adrian is singled out by his father and stepmother. When
the child dies, Michael Jones buys two pigs and doesn't
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feed them while the Adrian's body is left in the
shower for two weeks. When the pigs are starving, Michael
Jones feeds his son to the pigs. Michael and Heather
Jones plead guilty to first yeary murder and are serving
twenty five years to life.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
So in one closet, we've got the child starved and
a missing child. And back to you, doctor Anngie Arnold,
you said the other siblings are going to have to
be in treatment. You're right, because they didn't just watch
their sister starved slowly to death. They were forced to
keep her in the closet themselves. They're going to go
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the rest of their lives thinking they starved their sister
and now she's got permanent brain damage. Angie.
Speaker 7 (17:45):
That's exactly correct, Nancy. These children have been abused in
a different way, and it's all for a matter of control.
It's to keep all of those children in control, Nancy,
because you know, you can only imagine there's one mother,
all of these children, and if somebody got old enough
to decide, you know, we really shouldn't be treating this
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person this way, they could possibly escape or something like this, right,
but that mother is making sure that they are so terrified.
They are so terrified in the home that they live in,
and she and she feeds them so that they have
this odd relationship where there with the mother where they
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still need her, but they're scared of her, so that
none of them will go against her.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
To Brown Blake, joining US agent, Professor of University Texas
School of Law, chief legal officer Texas Advocacy Project, browin
thank you for being with us. I've seen it many
many times, like in Adrian Jones, Like in this case,
for one child out of the whole group is singled out,
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and they're the ones that starved. That child is the
one that's abused. I don't understand the phenomena, but I
accept it because I've seen it over and over, even
cases that I prosecuted other children we'll go unscathed while
the one child would end up dead.
Speaker 9 (19:13):
The idea that abuse is all about power and control
really helps explain this dynamic. This person is not out
of control. They're being very calculated and systematic in who
they abuse and how so all of those children experienced abuse,
just in different ways.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Guys, Not only do we have a child starved your death,
languishing on the floor of locked closet, we have a
missing child. Listen.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
During the investigation, police discovered that there was an eighth
child who was not found inside the home. The missing
nine year old child was identified as Ava Marie Gonzalez.
Missing person's detectives determined that Ava was last seen in
December twenty seventeen, when she was two years old and
in the custody of her mother, Virginia Marie Gonzalez.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
Learning there should be eight children in the apartment, not
just the seven they found, police opened an investigation and
quickly determined Ava Marie has not been seen by family
or friends since she was two years old in twenty seventeen,
in custody of her mother, Virginia Gonzalez. Considering the condition
of Ava's seven year old sister when she was found,
Austin police detectives are very concerned about Ava's welfare.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
So they've got six children seemingly healthy, you've got one
child starved locked in a closet, and now you've got
a missing child. Joining me as a special guest, this
is Leanne Marie, friend of the children's mother, Virginia Gonzalez. Leanne,
thank you for being with us.
Speaker 10 (20:46):
Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Leanne Marie. Tell me about Virginia Gonzalez.
Speaker 10 (20:51):
So, from what I know, she was just a normal person.
Speaker 11 (20:57):
I mean, honestly, she never really had her kids with her,
like you know, presence. The only one that I've seen
with her in the past year was the oldest one,
the fourteen year old. Besides that, we never knew that
she had, you know, the little girl.
Speaker 10 (21:16):
We only knew of boys.
Speaker 11 (21:19):
So she was just a typical person, partying out in
the clubs and the bars. I mean, she she was
just she never lived like she even had nine eight
nine kids.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Very very you're scaring me now there's mommy. Hi Mom, Yeah,
but there she is. Party down Mom? Where are your children?
Right now? William Marine just said something that scared me. Okay,
hold on, So I know that there are six children
in the home, healthy ish, one starved in a closet,
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and one missing. That's eight, but you mentioned nine the
possibility of a ninth child. Sam is a very nice child.
Speaker 10 (22:02):
Yes, So right now they're saying that this night child.
Speaker 11 (22:05):
He is not He does not have a social social
security here in Texas, so he's not registered here in Texas.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Okay, Darryl Parker, I need you and I need you.
Now there's another missing child. Did you hear that? Darryl Parker,
former Lieutenant Fanning County Sheriff's Office, former Marine, former Texas
police officer. Help me. So we're learning right now that
there's a ninth child that's in the wind. Nobody knows
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how old the child is, where it is, It doesn't
have a Texas Social Security number.
Speaker 12 (22:38):
Yeah, Nancy, that's that's pretty concerning. I know that the
mom has already made several statements to police that are
inconsistent about the child that is missing already that they
already know about and It'll be interesting to see if
some follow up questioning can reveal anything about this ninth child.
Possible ninth child.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Virginia Bagby joining us from Child Help National Abuse Hotline
going into this right now. I knew that there were
eight children, six in the home, one starve near death
with brain damage, and one missing since twenty seventeen. Now
I'm hearing about child number nine. Is that child dead?
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I mean, what do you do when you get a
call like this the Child Help hotline?
Speaker 6 (23:24):
Well, this is a really difficult one. I would encourage
somebody to reach out to the local hospitals potentially where
all the other children have been born, to see if
they have any record. This is very concerning to have
two children missing. Now these other children have probably are
aware that they have siblings that are missing. Add that
to the terror they've been experiencing.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace in court, miss thing in
you Gonzales estates. I instructed them not to let her
out of the bedroom, but not the closet, so she
would basically blame the other children. Quote, we'd capture in
the restroom doing something bad. What what would she be
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doing in the bathroom at seven years old? Quote it
was easier for my sons to watch her that way.
Well what were you doing? What was grandma doing? Why
weren't they watching her? Why would you leave a ten
year old boy in charge of six other children? Text
messages uncover Gonzales texting one of her children, quote, clean
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the closet, then throw her back in. In the affidavit
we obtained, the detective describes a child the fat in
her cheeks was non existent. Her body had used those
stores to sustain itself. Now, wait a minute, Gonzales speaks more.
She insists the children had quote adequate food. I don't
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dispute I was wrong. I know what I've done is wrong.
I want to fight for my kids. Are you serious?
I'm ready to do whatever I need to keep my
children in my life. Well you know what, they could
be your pen pals from behind bars woman.
Speaker 8 (25:15):
A shocking discovery inside a home leads police to investigate
a long buried secret.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Okay, Liam Marie is joining us a friend of the Ma.
Virginia Gozales MS murray, thank you because what you've just
said could save a child's life. Yes, mom, however do
you know Leanne is the ninth child older younger girl.
Speaker 11 (25:40):
Boy, it's a boy and he is around age nine
to ten years old. So she has a fourteen and eleven,
A ten, A nine, A seven. I know she has
two three year olds the newborn.
Speaker 10 (25:58):
So there's there's there's nine. From what I'm hearing right now.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Okay, hold on, let me have this up. There's a
fourteen year old and eleven year old, a ten year old,
A nine year old is the boy that you think
is missing? A seven year old? Is a little girl
starved in the closet? Two three year old? I go one, two, three, four, five, six,
seven eight, I'm missing somebody fourteen, eleven, ten nine missed
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three and three and a kneeborn.
Speaker 11 (26:28):
What now, So Eva's around eight nine years old and
then the little boy's right after her eleven months difference.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
You stated that Virginia Gonzales, the mother the starving little
girl and the other missing girl, was quote normal, would
go partying at the clubs and the bars. Hey, I
don't have a problem with that party down, mommy, But
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what would she ever mention who was taking care of
the children while she's at bar.
Speaker 11 (27:01):
So from we understand was that the kids, all the
kids were left with the grandmother of She has three
kids that belonged to one father and they were that
was who she was with the past seven years, and
so they were supposedly.
Speaker 10 (27:16):
All living with the grandmother.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
You're seeing mommy now out parting on a boat, drinking
straight out of a vodka mini bottle. Ooh, there she
is in a bar. Why bother with a glass? Seriously?
Why who needs a glass when you can drink straight
from the bottle. There's mommy chowing down on some free
toes and chips on a boat while her twenty nine
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pound seven year old daughter is locked in a closet
at home. Okay, Dodrangie Arnold, I need to shrink because
why is she had on a boat parting while her
child is starving in a closet and two children are missing?
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Right?
Speaker 7 (27:58):
And Nancy, how could she? How can she just be
so unattached from all of these children that she's having.
So my question is why is she having all of
these children? And I'm sorry, is it to support her lifestyle?
And where are the fathers of these children? We always
have to ask where is We're always you know, why
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isn't the mother taking care of them?
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Okay?
Speaker 7 (28:20):
Yeah, she is a horrible person that has done horrible
things to at least two of her children that we
know about. Where are the fathers of these children and
why are any of them involved? But Nancy, I don't
believe she should be out partying on a boat. I
think that when you have children, you should be at
home taking care of your children and not relying on
someone else to take care of them, because again we
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don't know how children take that, but oftentimes when mothers
are not around, children do since a fear of abandonment
when their mother is not taking care of them.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
But to Rowin Blake joining us as John Professor University
takes a school of law, Robin, I'm not lady. If
mom wants to party, go ahead. If mom wants to
vape and smoke, have at it. The issue is intent.
When she is out partying in her club and bar finery,
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her child is at home starving and two of them
are missing. Now that goes to intent. When I'm trying
to prove felony child neglect to a jury, that's when
that type of video let's see the video again comes
in to play. I couldn't care less what mommy wears
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or what bar she goes to, don't care. But if
your child is at home, starving in a closet, suddenly
your behavior, your actions during that time are relevant.
Speaker 9 (29:49):
Absolutely. I can tell you're thinking like a prosecutor. The
contrast between the images you're showing of these this child
and then her mother partying, it.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Tells the whole story there.
Speaker 9 (30:00):
Fortunately, many of users present one face to some people,
can be very charming to some people. And then we
hear about these horrible things happening at home.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Two, Doctor Kimmell Crown's joining me, Chief Medical Examiner, Terran County.
That's Fort Worth. Doctor Kimmell Crowns. I've got one child
starved almost beyond recognition, her bones sticking out, you know,
like they're visible through the skin. I've got that child starved,
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almost dead, permanent brain injury. I've got a missing little girl,
and now I'm learning from leam Marie there's another boy
missing that is about one, two three fourth in the
progression line of children. Leam Marie joining us. A friend
of mom, Virginia Gonzalez, did you know that Ava was missing?
Speaker 10 (30:54):
No, we had no idea.
Speaker 11 (30:56):
Back in twenty eighteen, when I originally first met at Virginia.
We only knew of three little boys. So after talking
to mutual friends and all concluding that.
Speaker 10 (31:10):
She had Ava's hair shaved like a boy.
Speaker 11 (31:14):
She never had Ava in her possess I mean, she
never let us know that it was a girl. She
had her presented as a boy to all of us,
so we're all in shock. We didn't nobody knew that
she had Ava.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Well, An, I don't understand this. So she showed you Ava,
but this is the missing child, not the starving child. Right,
you saw Ava, and she had her dressed like a
boy with her head shaved.
Speaker 11 (31:44):
She had her hair, she had him had she had
a faid, He had a faid. I definitely confirmed this
with her landlord and roommates that she.
Speaker 10 (31:56):
Lived with back in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 11 (31:58):
Everybody concluded that and confirmed that it was a little boy.
It was not nobody knew she had a little girl.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Lan knowing the mother, why do you think she shaved
the little girl's head and passed her off as a boy.
Speaker 11 (32:12):
I feel like that she had a anger issue with
the little girls because of the way her mother treated
her back when she was little, and I think that
she was taking it out on these little girls, because
from all the evidence and information that I've collected, it's
all based on the girls.
Speaker 10 (32:33):
So you know, she sold the baby who was a
little girl that was just born in March.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
She starved a whoa, whoa, whoa. My head is spinning.
What did you just say? She sold a baby?
Speaker 11 (32:45):
Yes, and CPS just found that baby when Okay, but.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Ahead, that's the newborn baby that was just born in March,
so that baby's been sold. Yes, but see how much
does she get from the baby.
Speaker 10 (32:56):
From what I heard?
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Twenty five k Christina, why tell me about the newborn
baby girl that just got sold?
Speaker 5 (33:03):
Well apparently for my investigations online, and none of this
has been confirmed yet, but she did have this newborn baby,
and according to all person who says that they are
a close relative of the family, she did have a
newborn baby.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
It was sold to a couple.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
So if that is in fact the case, there could
be a possibility that Avan Marigan Soliz was also sold,
and that's something that will have to be looked into,
because it would be my opic of us to think
that that possibility isn't out there.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
You know what, Christina Ariyah, I can only hope and
pray that she was sold and that she's alive and
being treated better than the little seven year old to Leanne Marie,
a friend of mom Virginia Gonzalez, why did she sell
her baby?
Speaker 11 (33:50):
I'm guessing financial issues. But at the same time, you know,
all the money was going downtown Sixth Street and at
the strip clubs. I mean, she was just making it
rain with money and buying bottles after bottles and buying
everybody buying.
Speaker 10 (34:05):
The bar out. I mean, that's where I seen the
money going. I didn't see anything else that she had that.
Speaker 11 (34:12):
I mean, she didn't even have a vehicle, you know
what I mean. So, I mean I think all the
money was just going to party in I don't think
it was ever to just take care of her and
the rest of the kids, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
I noticed in the party video she's got a Gucci
bag strapped around her front. Was that a fake? Was
that a fruity? A fake Gucci?
Speaker 11 (34:32):
From my understanding, everything that the police found in her
room was everything was name brand. I don't think it
was fake, but I do now know that a video
was taped back in May a year ago.
Speaker 10 (34:48):
She would just cover up her.
Speaker 11 (34:50):
Stomach I mean she would honestly, now that I'm thinking,
I'm thinking she was trying to.
Speaker 10 (34:54):
Hide the pregnancy. Why because she was out there.
Speaker 11 (34:57):
Partying, I mean on the boat party, which was in
September of twenty twenty four, my birthday. You can see
in the video she was kind of closed.
Speaker 10 (35:05):
She didn't take the whole.
Speaker 11 (35:07):
Shot, and I got other, you know, videos of footage
of her putting the shots on the side when people
weren't watching. So I think she knew she was pregnant,
but she just didn't want the other the world to
know that she was pregnant. So she would literally buy bottles,
get everybody drunk, and.
Speaker 10 (35:24):
I guess what then nobody notices anything.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Question. Did she discuss openly that she was selling the baby?
Speaker 10 (35:32):
No, no, ma'am.
Speaker 11 (35:33):
I found that out through the one of the children's families,
the ones that I've been speaking with since the very
beginning of the case, when it first started getting investigated.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Do you know who she sold the baby too?
Speaker 10 (35:47):
I do not know them personally. I just know that
it was a couple.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Well, I am, why did she keep having children and
she hated them so much?
Speaker 11 (35:55):
I don't think that she was having the children to
you know, just be this and to take care of them.
I think she was living off the benefits the snap
and the EBT and the fathers. I think that was
how she would hold some of these men, you know,
in her life, because a lot of them didn't deal
with the children. They only dealt with her, And a
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lot of them didn't want the children, they just wanted her.
So I think that it was like the kids were
like a tool for the men she was. You know
how they say there's womenizers. I think she was like
that with the men, like where she idolized men before
her children.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Did anyone ever wonder who would be taking care of
the children while she's out partying.
Speaker 11 (36:39):
So from my friendship experience with her, she would come
and go. So one minute she was out here popping
bottles for about two or three months, and then she'll
go ghost for six months a year, and then she'll
pop out out of nowhere again. So it wasn't really
she was really just screet with the children. Like I said,
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I only went to her that apartment where they found
the child that was starving and the other six children.
I only went to that apartment one time, which was
to go pick her up and she it was clean.
It was the fourteen year old was the only one there.
I didn't I didn't ask because every time I asked
about the children, it was that they were with her,
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the grandmother, because her baby daddy was you know, crazy
after her, so she just left the children at him
so he would be calm, is what she would.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Tell us.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Now regarding the missing sister,
Gonzales spouts off again in court and says a man
named Saul he Menez took Little Ava from her, and
the man was the girl's father, but she now claims
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he was deported back to Mexico before he men as
sister took Little Ava with her to Mexico as well.
I only hope and pray that's true. Although Austin police
say they are handling Little Ava's disappearance quote as a
homicide investigation, adding they quote don't have any evidence she
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is alive, Gonzales in court reports she did not kill
her daughter. Well. Her bond has been raised to a
quarter million dollars. How do people have children over and
over and over seven children? We now believe and treat
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them like this? Has nobody ever heard of a condom.
Has nobody ever heard of the birth control bill? Locking
the child in the closet and starving her one child
already missing, believed to be dead. What more do we know?
Alia Marie is joining us a friend of the mom,
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Virginia Gozales. So you think that she's having the children
in order to get state benefits.
Speaker 10 (39:10):
I don't think it's just state benefits.
Speaker 11 (39:11):
I think, like I said, it's more of a tool
for the men that she was in love with. I mean,
I mean some of them, some of the From what
I'm understanding too, is some of the kids. I mean,
she don't even know who the fathers is to some
of the kids. I mean, she was known for being
in the club, you know, with multiple men. So I mean,
I don't think that she used the children just for
the benefits. I think it was just more of tools
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to keep the men in her life to help benefit
her with the money and the pain for this and
pain for that.
Speaker 10 (39:39):
And that's what I think.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
To Darryl Parker joining me former Lieutenant Fannin County Sheriff's
Office at blackfishintel dot com. Darryl, how do we go
about finding the two missing children? You've got the little
girl missing, We've got an AH progress photo of her.
You've got her missing, You've got a nine year old
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boy missing. I believe the little kneeborn girl that was
sold has been recovered. But how do you go about
finding the two missing children?
Speaker 12 (40:11):
Well, you know, Nancy, I see a lot of parallels
between this case.
Speaker 13 (40:14):
And the Kasey Anthony case. And if you recall, the
thing that really bogged down that investigation was Kathy Anthony's
multiple stories where she gave the police all these different
versions of what happened to her child. And so in
this case, I think the mom has given them some
inconsistent stories. They're going to have to track these down.
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And this is over a period of time too. Seven
years is a lot longer period of time than when
Katy Anthony's child was missing, so it's going to be
a lot more difficult for law enforcement to piece that together.
But she couldn't have done all this without other adults
being aware of what was going on, at least collaterally,
So I think there are going to be some other
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collateral witnesses that can help provide some information to try.
In fun of you, Rob and.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Blake, I don't understand how the mother can be getting
government benefits but they're not in school because the government
does know they exist and they're off school age.
Speaker 9 (41:14):
How does that work. This is not supposed to happen.
When you hear a story like those, multiple systems have failed.
This mother was purposely not taking her children to school,
I'm sure because the teachers would have seen something. She's
not taking them to their doctor's appointments because the doctors
would have seen something. Here in Texas, every single adult
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is a mandatory repporter of child abuse, not just those
professionals I mentioned, neighbors, family members. If anyone saw something,
it's the law that they had to report it.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Christina A Wya, what more do you know?
Speaker 5 (41:49):
Well, they're the woman who is online identifying as a
very close family member.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
She revealed that the newborn baby was sold.
Speaker 5 (41:58):
She also is revealing some of the details of about
what Virginia was telling each one of the family members.
It kind of lines up with what Virginia Gonzalez's friend
was telling us about the story. She was saying she
pitted the two families against each other. She allegedly told
one family that the kids were in the care of
the other family, her side of the family told her
mom the same thing, vice versa. This woman also claims
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that the father of three of Virginia Gonzalez's children actually
took care of six of the children for two years
until he went to jail, allegedly back in December, and
that's when she's saying that Virginia Gonzalez went and picked up.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
All the kids.
Speaker 5 (42:33):
She had kept the fourteen with her, fourteen year old
with her originally and then went back and picked up
all the kids. So that was in December, which means
that if she picked up the little seven year old
girl who they are calling re Rea in December, then
that means that little girl was suffering, most likely six
months of abuse before that nine to one one call
came in and they discovered her in the closet. So
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apparently this woman is describing Virginia Gonzalez as very manipulative,
and it's crazy because they also say that she didn't
allow any of the children to go to school, and
there are no records of any of the children being
in school, and as for Abram Mariganzalez, there's no medical records,
there's no legal records, So this is a really convoluted case.
And if it's true what they're saying about the baby
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being sold to a couple, that the possibility of abam
Reriganzalees being sold to a couple is there as well.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
But it might have been sold. The baby might have.
Speaker 5 (43:24):
Been sold to a more nefarious outfit, which means we
could be looking at something concerning child trafficking, which we
hope that's not the case. But either way, there's a
lot of avenues that investigators need to go down, and
there are a lot of leads that they need to investigate.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Leam Marie, Now that you realize the extent of what
Virginia Gonzalez was doing to her children, are you surprised very?
Speaker 11 (43:50):
I'm very shocked. I'm very disbelief. I just I can't
believe it. I mean, she put up this image. I
would have never, in my rights, stay to mind, thought
that she was starving a kid or abusing the children
like that.
Speaker 10 (44:06):
I would have said something.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
To doctor Angela Arnold, how can you present one facade
to the public and live such a dark private life?
Speaker 7 (44:16):
You know what that comes? That comes from years and
years of abuse. Because people who have been abused learn
how to compartmentalize different things in their life. So this woman,
because of the purported abuse that she experienced as a child,
has learned how to contain the different parts of her
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life and separate them. It all stems from her abuse.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
If you know or think you know anything regarding these
missing children, please dial five one two five seven two
eight four seven seven repeat five one two five seven
to two eight four seven seven. We wait as justice unfolds. Goodbye, friend,
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Nancy Grace
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